RE: Blume Wifi

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah that I understand but the actual quality of it once it’s up and working is 
what I’m looking for.

The mesh networking idea as you say has been around for a while but putting it 
in the home will make life easy for full coverage.

But I was wondering how you power the repeaters or units around the house,
Does each one need to be plugged in to a power socket?

I’m kind of wondering if this might be a problem solver for my place and my 
neighbours to allow us to share an internet connection therefore me make some 
extra cash each month.


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Sunday, 11 June 2017 12:02 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blume Wifi

Hi Simon,

The way it seems to work is you connect via 1 or 2 gigabit ports to your 
network.  Either by placing the master unit in router mode and having it handle 
the whole internet connection or in bridge mode where it provides the access 
point function but you provide your own routing hardware.  (This will be my 
config). Once connected you start an app on your phone (iPhone in my case but 
both platforms are supported) and you configure the first plume device.  Then 
you power up and add each new device to the mesh.  You don’t run physical wires 
to anything but the controller or master access point.  The rest use backhaul 
channels to build the mesh.  Once you’ve added all the access points you want, 
you get a box of 6 for $320 US, they connect to a cloud application where the 
mesh starts to optimize itself.  The meshes can either direct connect back to 
the control access point and or hop from one to another if that’s more optimal. 
 The cloud software and access points will steer the clients to the best 
frequency and access point based on it’s location with in the mesh.  IF 2.4 ghz 
suddenly becomes more speedy you’ll drop to 2.4 and then be steered back up to 
5 ghz if that returns to normal.  Also uses tactics to isolate you from your 
neighbors and so forth.  Cool stuff.  Google is also working in this space as 
is Netgear and Niro.  Plume seems to rate the highest and perform the best in 
testing from the reviews I’ve read though.

Cool stuff.  Mesh WiFi was usually the stuff of big enterprises, nice to have 
it in the home now.

On Jun 10, 2017, at 2:34 AM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Scott,

When You test drive these blume wifi devices I’m interested to know how they go

They sound bloody interesting

I’m wondering though how you get them connected to your network.

Cheers,


Simon f


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RE: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[Simon Fogarty]

Umm,

John, this is not true,

I do this everytime I log in to my mac book air,
I have file volt running and at the log in screen I start up vo with cmd f5 and 
then vo shift down arrow which opens the users list I select my name and then 
vo space bar and enter the password,

And I’ve done this for the last 3 versions of the osx

So if it’s not working for you guys I don’t know what is different.

the

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On Behalf Of John Panarese
Sent: Sunday, 11 June 2017 2:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

   This is absolutely correct. You cannot navigate in the login window for 
FileVault. It doesn't matter how many users have accounts on the system, you 
simply type your user name at the prompt and then your password. You cannot 
choose the user as you can do with the normal login window. FileVault's login 
window is prompted before the system disk even is accessed. It is a special 
login window entirely. So, there is no automatic login for any account and the 
option to have VoiceOver speak in the login window is not available for 
FileVault login.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
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Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
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On Jun 10, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn 
mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello,

This login is a very limited system screen and though it sounds similar to 
VoiceOver it is not VoiceOVer It will say user name until you enter a legit 
user name something like "john" or "joncohn" and hit enter once your user name 
has been accepted it will say password. If you enter the correct password then 
in a few seconds you will have all the normal functionality available or else 
it will say username or password incorrect.

My experience has been I have to type in all the characters of my username I 
have never found a way to do this with arrow keys and certainly the VO style 
keys I have found to do nothing.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:14 AM, Nickus de Vos 
mailto:bigboy...@gmail.com>> wrote:

My sighted help could only access the password field when VO was switched off, 
but if I switch vo again, not even the sighted person can navigate to the 
username or password field.

Sent from my iPhone


On 10 Jun 2017, at 13:07, Terje Strømberg 
mailto:terjestrmb...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Did your sighted friend see the password field?

Take care



9. jun. 2017 kl. 21.54 skrev Nickus de Vos 
mailto:bigboy...@gmail.com>>:

I did switch on voice-over, I even tried and to switch on and off a couple of 
times. I'll try again maybe I missed something.
Thanks

Sent from my iPhone


On 09 Jun 2017, at 21:41, Donna Goodin 
mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

I haven't used FileVault, but have been thinking about doing it for a while 
now.  So I have a question about John's post.  Do you choose a username, or is 
it assigned?  If assigned, what do you have to enter, the entire file path or 
just the name of that folder?
TIA,
Donna

On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Tim Kilburn 
mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:

hi,

Further to John's note, usually, VO is not active, nor available, at the 
initial login screen when File Vault is enabled.  You can press cmd-f5 to try 
to turn on VO, you should get a single tone, at this point, as John mentioned, 
just type your username and press return.  If it accepts your username, two 
tones will sound meaning that it's ready for your password. In my case, once I 
start entering my password, a tone is sounded for each key-press.  After you 
finish the password, press return and you should hear three tones if the 
password was accepted.  Your Mac will then start up normally.  You can then log 
off and on with the normal login screen most of the time, unless your machine 
is restarted or shutdown at which time you'll hear the good old tone once again.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 9, 2017, at 13:22, John Panarese 
mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

 FileVault should work just fine. The login window is different though. Be sure 
you press command-F5 to turn on VoiceOver. It will ask for your account name, 
which is whatever the name is for your home folder is called.
Then, press enter and it will prompt you for your password. Type that and hit 
enter.


Take Care

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Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

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On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:1

RE: Migrating from VMWare Fusion to Bootcamp

[Simon Fogarty]

I know this porobably doesn’t help but I believe parallels allow you to take a 
vm of windows and port it to a bootcamp installation,
I also thought vm ware fusion allowed for something like this also.
But it is or at least was possible.

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On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Sunday, 11 June 2017 3:59 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Migrating from VMWare Fusion to Bootcamp

Paul,

As already mentioned, I don't believe there is an approach to move a VM to a 
dedicated partition, but if there is then it would be either using a Windows or 
VM tool, so you might get better answers from a more Windows based group 
(GUI-talk?).  But then, I find as long as I don't have too many Safari windows 
open, that my VM are speedy enough for Outlook and testing accessibility of web 
pages with JAWS, WindowEyes or NVDA. Remember especially that on the Macintosh 
windows and applications will keep the same documents open when closed and 
re-opened. So perhaps just reviewing all open applications/windows might 
significantly help your performance if physical memory is running short on your 
system.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:17 PM, Paul Hopewell 
mailto:hopew...@hopewell.org.uk>> wrote:

Hello,
I am running the latest El Capitan on my late 2008 iMac. I have a Windows 7 
virtual machine running under VMWare Fusion.

I only use the Windows 7 infrequently to keep up my Windows skills and to do 
occasional testing of web sites under Windows. Under VMWare Fusion Windows 7 
runs painfully slowly. Is it possible to migrate instead to Windows 7 running 
under Bootcamp so that I can either boot the iMac as Mac OS or as Windows. 
Hopefully Windows will work much faster than using VMWare. I am not concerned 
about sharing data between Windows and Mac OS.

A complication is that I no longer have the install CDs for Windows or some of 
the Windows applications. Can I just move my existing virtual machine into a 
Bootcamp partition?

Is such a migration possible? If so can it be done without sighted help? I have 
the WindowEyes screen reader running in my Windows virtual machine.

Many thanks for any tips.


Paul Hopewell

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RE: Time Machine

[Simon Fogarty]

Yes harry that is correct.

Or even simpler in my book is to use the migration tool to copy the old machine 
content to the new machine.

Very simple if you have a thunderbolt cable

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Harry Bell
Sent: Sunday, 11 June 2017 4:10 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Time Machine

So if I use my Time Machine backup to set up the new Mac, the result will 
initially be a Mac identical to the old Mac Mini just without any Bootcamp 
partition?
Thank you for your help
Harry Bell

On 10 Jun 2017, at 16:33, Jonathan Cohn 
mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
When using bootcamp, TimeMachine and all other MacOS based applications will 
not see or react to the Windows partition. You will need to use a Windows 
migration tool to move that environment to your new system, after you have 
created an appropriate BootCamp partition with the VootCamp tool.
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:43 AM, Harry Bell 
mailto:ubupanora...@icloud.com>> wrote:

On my Mac mini 2024 latest OS I have my Mac HD encrypted with FileVault and I 
also have Windows 10 running in a Bootcamp partition. I have 2 questions:
Does Time Machine only back up what is in the Mac part of the hard drive, not 
the Windows partition?
And when I get a new Mac and set it up to restore from a Time Machine backup of 
my Mac Mini, will my new Mac have a Bootcamp partition with Windows 10 or will 
Time Machine only restore what was on my macOS part of tge Mac Mini hard drive?
Thanks
Harr
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RE: Time Machine

[Simon Fogarty]

The other thing you could do is use the disk utilities restore from the old 
machineto the new machine,

This is what I use to image our work machines from an external hard drive via 
thunderbolt,

On the new machine open disk utilities at start up
Find the macintosh hd or main volume on the machine then with the older machine 
connected in the best possible way then start it up in target disk mode and it 
will appear on the new machines disk util which

Then restore the new machine from the old machine.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Sunday, 11 June 2017 4:31 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Time Machine

Well, if your current machine has all of the recent OS upgrades then yes.  But 
the migration tool does not clone your current computers drive and onto the new 
machine. Instead it migrates the users home directories and account  
information and Applications in the Applications directory from your current 
computer that are not on your new computer. It will also get WiFi and clock 
settings from your current computer and move that information into the 
appropriate places on the new computer. If you installed an application in a 
location other than /Applications, or modified Web Server settings or crontab 
entries, don't expect those to be migrated, though they might be migrated. 
Almost all settings from System Settings and Application specific settings 
panels does get migrated to the new system.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On Jun 10, 2017, at 12:10 PM, Harry Bell 
mailto:ubupanora...@icloud.com>> wrote:

So if I use my Time Machine backup to set up the new Mac, the result will 
initially be a Mac identical to the old Mac Mini just without any Bootcamp 
partition?
Thank you for your help
Harry Bell

On 10 Jun 2017, at 16:33, Jonathan Cohn 
mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
When using bootcamp, TimeMachine and all other MacOS based applications will 
not see or react to the Windows partition. You will need to use a Windows 
migration tool to move that environment to your new system, after you have 
created an appropriate BootCamp partition with the VootCamp tool.
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:43 AM, Harry Bell 
mailto:ubupanora...@icloud.com>> wrote:

On my Mac mini 2024 latest OS I have my Mac HD encrypted with FileVault and I 
also have Windows 10 running in a Bootcamp partition. I have 2 questions:
Does Time Machine only back up what is in the Mac part of the hard drive, not 
the Windows partition?
And when I get a new Mac and set it up to restore from a Time Machine backup of 
my Mac Mini, will my new Mac have a Bootcamp partition with Windows 10 or will 
Time Machine only restore what was on my macOS part of tge Mac Mini hard drive?
Thanks
Harr
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RE: Blume Wifi

[Simon Fogarty]

Scott,

I’m meant to have gigabit internet for my home but it’s a joke here in nz,
I’m lucky if I get half a gigabit for a download.


As for wifi I’m currently using a fritzbox as my router modem,
I’d love to have faster internet / wifi but hey lifes a bitch and we’re getting 
screwed by providers in nz.

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On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Sunday, 11 June 2017 8:03 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blume Wifi

Hey Scot,

Yeah, it's pretty cool.  We have the gigabyte option here, too, but we didn't 
get it for our rental house.  We're thinking about it for our permanent home, 
which we'll be moving into in July.  Good to know the limits of the Airport.  I 
was wondering what its cut-off point was.
Cheers,
Donna

On Jun 10, 2017, at 1:14 PM, Scott Granados 
mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Ah I love being on a fiber network.  They just rolled out full gigabit where I 
live and I upgraded while cutting my bill in half.  I have so much on WiFi now 
that I really do need a distributed system.  Your airport is good up to about 
200 megabits.  If your service will be faster than that it’s time to update.




On Jun 10, 2017, at 9:34 AM, Donna Goodin 
mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

Thanks for sharing this, Scott.  Now that I have the option of a fast fiber 
connection, I've been wondering if it's time to replace our airport extreme.  
this sounds like an interesting option.
Cheers,
Donna

On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:01 AM, Scott Granados 
mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Simon,

The way it seems to work is you connect via 1 or 2 gigabit ports to your 
network.  Either by placing the master unit in router mode and having it handle 
the whole internet connection or in bridge mode where it provides the access 
point function but you provide your own routing hardware.  (This will be my 
config). Once connected you start an app on your phone (iPhone in my case but 
both platforms are supported) and you configure the first plume device.  Then 
you power up and add each new device to the mesh.  You don’t run physical wires 
to anything but the controller or master access point.  The rest use backhaul 
channels to build the mesh.  Once you’ve added all the access points you want, 
you get a box of 6 for $320 US, they connect to a cloud application where the 
mesh starts to optimize itself.  The meshes can either direct connect back to 
the control access point and or hop from one to another if that’s more optimal. 
 The cloud software and access points will steer the clients to the best 
frequency and access point based on it’s location with in the mesh.  IF 2.4 ghz 
suddenly becomes more speedy you’ll drop to 2.4 and then be steered back up to 
5 ghz if that returns to normal.  Also uses tactics to isolate you from your 
neighbors and so forth.  Cool stuff.  Google is also working in this space as 
is Netgear and Niro.  Plume seems to rate the highest and perform the best in 
testing from the reviews I’ve read though.

Cool stuff.  Mesh WiFi was usually the stuff of big enterprises, nice to have 
it in the home now.

On Jun 10, 2017, at 2:34 AM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Scott,

When You test drive these blume wifi devices I’m interested to know how they go

They sound bloody interesting

I’m wondering though how you get them connected to your network.

Cheers,


Simon f


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Re: Time Machine

[Harry Bell]

Thanks - I'll get a thunderbolt. 
Cheers
Harry

> On 11 Jun 2017, at 10:07, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Or even simpler in my book is to use the migration tool to copy the old 
> machine content to the new machine.
> 
>  
> 
> Very simple if you have a thunderbolt cable

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Re: VIrtual box and other operating systems than windows.

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Thankfully, you don't have to rely on Voice Over when running Linux
shell level apps. Instead, you use Speakup, or brltty, or emacspeak, or
perhaps the new Henrii. Voice Over would be as bad at the Linux shell as
it is in the Mac terminal.

You might want VO in Linux graphical desktop apps, but it won't run
there, either. Instead, you use Orca.

Janina

Karen Lewellen writes:
> even if you are starting from your mac and connecting to  Linux?
> I feel that is correct but wish to be sure.
> 
> 
> On Sat, 10 Jun 2017, Anders Holmberg wrote:
> 
> > Hi!
> > In the connected operating system you use the screenreader for Linux.
> > But elsewhere you should be able to use voiceover from what i can tell.
> > /A
> > > 10 juni 2017 kl. 20:10 skrev Karen Lewellen :
> > > 
> > > Scott,
> > > I am curious, if one uses this program to connect to a different 
> > > operating system like Linux, which screen reader is used?
> > > By which I mean does Voiceover work even in these different environments?
> > > Thanks,
> > > Kare
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Fri, 9 Jun 2017, Scott Granados wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Yes, it’s a free alternative to VMWare. One of the advantages is that 
> > > > it has a command line feature so you can script and type commands 
> > > > instead of point and click and use the GUI.
> > > > 
> > > > > On Jun 9, 2017, at 9:24 PM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > So is this an alternative to VMWare?
> > > > > 
> > > > > thanks,
> > > > > 
> > > > > > On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:24 PM, Anders Holmberg  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Hi!
> > > > > > Since Simon Fogarty here on this list mentioned that VirtualBox was 
> > > > > > accessible i thought i would give it a try today.
> > > > > > It seems to work but when selecting an operating system i can only 
> > > > > > see windows and no other systems to select from.
> > > > > > But i would like to try out som linux distributions in the virtual 
> > > > > > box.
> > > > > > Can this be done without sight?
> > > > > > Thanks in advance.
> > > > > > /A
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Strange problem with bootcamp.

[matthew dyer]

Hi all,

Yesterday I was playing with bootcamp to see if I could get windows 10 
installed and got the following message after hitting continue.  This disk is 
not journaled go to disk utility and enabl journaling.  When I go to disk 
utility to do so, the option is dimmed.  In the info tab under Macintosh HD, it 
shows that journaling is on.  What else is going on.  I tried first aid and it 
said that my disk is ok.  I really don’t want to reinstall Mac OS if I don’t 
have to.  I need to get an external. Hd before I do that as I want to have a 
backup if possible.  Any ideas on this one? 

Thanks.

Matthew


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Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi.

I have been catching up with all my e-mails today so come late to this thread.

I have been using File Volt for a long time and after getting voice over to 
come on in the login screen in preferences, it did not work when I shut down 
and restarted the computer.  It makes a bleep for you to enter your user name 
and once you press return, another bleep for you to enter your password.

Kawal.
> On 11 Jun 2017, at 10:00, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Umm,
>  
> John, this is not true,
>  
> I do this everytime I log in to my mac book air,
> I have file volt running and at the log in screen I start up vo with cmd f5 
> and then vo shift down arrow which opens the users list I select my name and 
> then vo space bar and enter the password,
>  
> And I’ve done this for the last 3 versions of the osx
>  
> So if it’s not working for you guys I don’t know what is different.
>  
> the 
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese
> Sent: Sunday, 11 June 2017 2:57 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled
>  
>This is absolutely correct. You cannot navigate in the login window for 
> FileVault. It doesn't matter how many users have accounts on the system, you 
> simply type your user name at the prompt and then your password. You cannot 
> choose the user as you can do with the normal login window. FileVault's login 
> window is prompted before the system disk even is accessed. It is a special 
> login window entirely. So, there is no automatic login for any account and 
> the option to have VoiceOver speak in the login window is not available for 
> FileVault login.
>  
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
> 
>  
> On Jun 10, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>  
> Hello,
>  
> This login is a very limited system screen and though it sounds similar to 
> VoiceOver it is not VoiceOVer It will say user name until you enter a legit 
> user name something like "john" or "joncohn" and hit enter once your user 
> name has been accepted it will say password. If you enter the correct 
> password then in a few seconds you will have all the normal functionality 
> available or else it will say username or password incorrect. 
>  
> My experience has been I have to type in all the characters of my username I 
> have never found a way to do this with arrow keys and certainly the VO style 
> keys I have found to do nothing.
>  
>  
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
>  
> On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:14 AM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
>  
> My sighted help could only access the password field when VO was switched 
> off, but if I switch vo again, not even the sighted person can navigate to 
> the username or password field.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On 10 Jun 2017, at 13:07, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
> 
> Did your sighted friend see the password field? 
> 
> Take care
> 
> 
> 
> 9. jun. 2017 kl. 21.54 skrev Nickus de Vos :
> 
> I did switch on voice-over, I even tried and to switch on and off a couple of 
> times. I'll try again maybe I missed something.
> Thanks
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On 09 Jun 2017, at 21:41, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I haven't used FileVault, but have been thinking about doing it for a while 
> now. So I have a question about John's post. Do you choose a username, or is 
> it assigned? If assigned, what do you have to enter, the entire file path or 
> just the name of that folder?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> Further to John's note, usually, VO is not active, nor available, at the 
> initial login screen when File Vault is enabled. You can press cmd-f5 to try 
> to turn on VO, you should get a single tone, at this point, as John 
> mentioned, just type your username and press return. If it accepts your 
> username, two tones will sound meaning that it's ready for your password. In 
> my case, once I start entering my password, a tone is sounded for each 
> key-press. After you finish the password, press return and you should hear 
> three tones if the password was accepted. Your Mac will then start up 
> normally. You can then log off and on with the normal login screen most of 
> the time, unless your machine is restarted or shutdown at which time you'll 
> hear the good old tone once again.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 13:22, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>  FileVault should work just fine. The login window is different though. Be 
> sure you press command-F5 to turn on VoiceOver. It will ask for your account 
> name, which is whatever t

Re: Download passed iTunes purchases all at once

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Yes, as long as you have some method by which it can contact you.  When you hit 
"Forgot Password", it will either ask you to answer your questions, or send you 
an eMail to the old address.  If you can still recall those answers, or if you 
have access to the old eMail, then you could gain access to that old Apple ID.  
Once you have access to it, you need to make it your primary Apple ID and make 
the new one a family member.  The family members have access to the primary 
person's purchases and their own, whereas the primary seems to only have access 
to their own purchases, unless things have changed.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 10, 2017, at 17:00, Angus MacKinnon  wrote:

Tim

I think it was an switch. Can i enter the older Apple ID and click forgot 
password?

Angus MacKinnon

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Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[Tim Kilburn]

Simon,

Are you doing this from complete shutdown or restart?  With File Vault enabled, 
the initial login screen after restart or shutdown is pre-system load-up, thus 
VO is not usually available.  After you've got past this screen, then can be a 
second login which is totally available.  Now, I'm running an older MBP, so 
it's possible that things act differently in newer Mac models, but I'm not 
certain.  It seems problematic though if VO was available at the initial Login 
screen as that would mean that unrestricted access to much of the file system 
would be gained before the password was required.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 11, 2017, at 03:00, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Umm,
 
John, this is not true,
 
I do this everytime I log in to my mac book air,
I have file volt running and at the log in screen I start up vo with cmd f5 and 
then vo shift down arrow which opens the users list I select my name and then 
vo space bar and enter the password,
 
And I’ve done this for the last 3 versions of the osx
 
So if it’s not working for you guys I don’t know what is different.
 
the 
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
] On Behalf Of John Panarese
Sent: Sunday, 11 June 2017 2:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled
 
   This is absolutely correct. You cannot navigate in the login window for 
FileVault. It doesn't matter how many users have accounts on the system, you 
simply type your user name at the prompt and then your password. You cannot 
choose the user as you can do with the normal login window. FileVault's login 
window is prompted before the system disk even is accessed. It is a special 
login window entirely. So, there is no automatic login for any account and the 
option to have VoiceOver speak in the login window is not available for 
FileVault login.
 

Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT


 
On Jun 10, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
Hello,
 
This login is a very limited system screen and though it sounds similar to 
VoiceOver it is not VoiceOVer It will say user name until you enter a legit 
user name something like "john" or "joncohn" and hit enter once your user name 
has been accepted it will say password. If you enter the correct password then 
in a few seconds you will have all the normal functionality available or else 
it will say username or password incorrect. 
 
My experience has been I have to type in all the characters of my username I 
have never found a way to do this with arrow keys and certainly the VO style 
keys I have found to do nothing.
 
 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


 
On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:14 AM, Nickus de Vos mailto:bigboy...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
My sighted help could only access the password field when VO was switched off, 
but if I switch vo again, not even the sighted person can navigate to the 
username or password field.

Sent from my iPhone


On 10 Jun 2017, at 13:07, Terje Strømberg mailto:terjestrmb...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Did your sighted friend see the password field? 

Take care



9. jun. 2017 kl. 21.54 skrev Nickus de Vos mailto:bigboy...@gmail.com>>:

I did switch on voice-over, I even tried and to switch on and off a couple of 
times. I'll try again maybe I missed something.
Thanks

Sent from my iPhone


On 09 Jun 2017, at 21:41, Donna Goodin mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

I haven't used FileVault, but have been thinking about doing it for a while 
now.  So I have a question about John's post.  Do you choose a username, or is 
it assigned?  If assigned, what do you have to enter, the entire file path or 
just the name of that folder?
TIA,
Donna

On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Tim Kilburn mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:

hi,

Further to John's note, usually, VO is not active, nor available, at the 
initial login screen when File Vault is enabled.  You can press cmd-f5 to try 
to turn on VO, you should get a single tone, at this point, as John mentioned, 
just type your username and press return.  If it accepts your username, two 
tones will sound meaning that it's ready for your password. In my case, once I 
start entering my password, a tone is sounded for each key-press.  After you 
finish the password, press return and you should hear three tones if the 
password was accepted.  Your Mac will then start up normally.  You can then log 
off and on with the normal login screen most of the time, unless your machine 
is restarted 

Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[John Panarese]

   I'll take another look at it. Last time I worked with a client who had 
multiple accounts, it wasn't working. I only have one account on my machines I 
use FileVault with, so I haven't had a need to look around the screen.


 
Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT



> On Jun 11, 2017, at 5:00 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Umm,
>  
> John, this is not true,
>  
> I do this everytime I log in to my mac book air,
> I have file volt running and at the log in screen I start up vo with cmd f5 
> and then vo shift down arrow which opens the users list I select my name and 
> then vo space bar and enter the password,
>  
> And I’ve done this for the last 3 versions of the osx
>  
> So if it’s not working for you guys I don’t know what is different.
>  
> the 
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  ] On Behalf Of John Panarese
> Sent: Sunday, 11 June 2017 2:57 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled
>  
>This is absolutely correct. You cannot navigate in the login window for 
> FileVault. It doesn't matter how many users have accounts on the system, you 
> simply type your user name at the prompt and then your password. You cannot 
> choose the user as you can do with the normal login window. FileVault's login 
> window is prompted before the system disk even is accessed. It is a special 
> login window entirely. So, there is no automatic login for any account and 
> the option to have VoiceOver speak in the login window is not available for 
> FileVault login.
>  
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
>  
> On Jun 10, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn  > wrote:
>  
> Hello,
>  
> This login is a very limited system screen and though it sounds similar to 
> VoiceOver it is not VoiceOVer It will say user name until you enter a legit 
> user name something like "john" or "joncohn" and hit enter once your user 
> name has been accepted it will say password. If you enter the correct 
> password then in a few seconds you will have all the normal functionality 
> available or else it will say username or password incorrect. 
>  
> My experience has been I have to type in all the characters of my username I 
> have never found a way to do this with arrow keys and certainly the VO style 
> keys I have found to do nothing.
>  
>  
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
>  
> On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:14 AM, Nickus de Vos  > wrote:
>  
> My sighted help could only access the password field when VO was switched 
> off, but if I switch vo again, not even the sighted person can navigate to 
> the username or password field.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On 10 Jun 2017, at 13:07, Terje Strømberg  > wrote:
> 
> Did your sighted friend see the password field? 
> 
> Take care
> 
> 
> 
> 9. jun. 2017 kl. 21.54 skrev Nickus de Vos  >:
> 
> I did switch on voice-over, I even tried and to switch on and off a couple of 
> times. I'll try again maybe I missed something.
> Thanks
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On 09 Jun 2017, at 21:41, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I haven't used FileVault, but have been thinking about doing it for a while 
> now. So I have a question about John's post. Do you choose a username, or is 
> it assigned? If assigned, what do you have to enter, the entire file path or 
> just the name of that folder?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> Further to John's note, usually, VO is not active, nor available, at the 
> initial login screen when File Vault is enabled. You can press cmd-f5 to try 
> to turn on VO, you should get a single tone, at this point, as John 
> mentioned, just type your username and press return. If it accepts your 
> username, two tones will sound meaning that it's ready for your password. In 
> my case, once I start entering my password, a tone is sounded for each 
> key-press. After you finish the password, press return and you should hear 
> three tones if the password was accepted. Your Mac will then start up 
> normally. You

Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[Dan]

Hello list,
Here's my 2 cents worth.
I'm currently running the latest OS12 on my MBP 2014 model year machine. I have 
5 accounts on this machine and the system is FileVault encrypted. I have VO set 
to come on during login.
This is what happens when I boot the machine.
1. the machine starts.
2. After a few seconds, VoiceOver asks for my account name.
3. After I type my account name and press enter, the machine asks for my 
password.
4. I type in my password and hit enter.
5. The machine emits 3 short beeps and boots to the main screen of what ever 
account I have booted in to.
Note, if I type the password incorrectly, the machine wants me to type it in 
again.
This is just how it works for me.


Dan

> On Jun 11, 2017, at 8:54 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>I'll take another look at it. Last time I worked with a client who had 
> multiple accounts, it wasn't working. I only have one account on my machines 
> I use FileVault with, so I haven't had a need to look around the screen.
> 
> 
>  
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 11, 2017, at 5:00 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Umm,
>>  
>> John, this is not true,
>>  
>> I do this everytime I log in to my mac book air,
>> I have file volt running and at the log in screen I start up vo with cmd f5 
>> and then vo shift down arrow which opens the users list I select my name and 
>> then vo space bar and enter the password,
>>  
>> And I’ve done this for the last 3 versions of the osx
>>  
>> So if it’s not working for you guys I don’t know what is different.
>>  
>> the 
>>  
>> From: 
>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of John Panarese
>> Sent: Sunday, 11 June 2017 2:57 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled
>>  
>>This is absolutely correct. You cannot navigate in the login window for 
>> FileVault. It doesn't matter how many users have accounts on the system, you 
>> simply type your user name at the prompt and then your password. You cannot 
>> choose the user as you can do with the normal login window. FileVault's 
>> login window is prompted before the system disk even is accessed. It is a 
>> special login window entirely. So, there is no automatic login for any 
>> account and the option to have VoiceOver speak in the login window is not 
>> available for FileVault login.
>>  
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> On Jun 10, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>  
>> Hello,
>>  
>> This login is a very limited system screen and though it sounds similar to 
>> VoiceOver it is not VoiceOVer It will say user name until you enter a legit 
>> user name something like "john" or "joncohn" and hit enter once your user 
>> name has been accepted it will say password. If you enter the correct 
>> password then in a few seconds you will have all the normal functionality 
>> available or else it will say username or password incorrect. 
>>  
>> My experience has been I have to type in all the characters of my username I 
>> have never found a way to do this with arrow keys and certainly the VO style 
>> keys I have found to do nothing.
>>  
>>  
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:14 AM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
>>  
>> My sighted help could only access the password field when VO was switched 
>> off, but if I switch vo again, not even the sighted person can navigate to 
>> the username or password field.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On 10 Jun 2017, at 13:07, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Did your sighted friend see the password field? 
>> 
>> Take care
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 9. jun. 2017 kl. 21.54 skrev Nickus de Vos :
>> 
>> I did switch on voice-over, I even tried and to switch on and off a couple 
>> of times. I'll try again maybe I missed something.
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On 09 Jun 2017, at 21:41, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I haven't used FileVault, but have been thinking about doing it for a while 
>> now.  So I have a question about John's post.  Do you choose a username, or 
>> is it assigned?  If assigned, what do you have to enter, the entire file 
>> path or just the name of that folder?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> hi,
>> 
>> Further to John's note, usually, VO is not active, nor ava

Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[Jonathan Cohn]

Simon,

Either you have the older version of File Vault enabled or else they eliminated 
functionality in some systems. I just tried your instructions, and the vo keys 
with arrows shift arrows and control arrows say nothing when on the initial 
boot screen. This is true on both my MacBook Air (11-inch, Early 2015) and my  
MacBook Pro 2015 bought in June 2016. 

of course there is the slight possibility that since I changed my default login 
screen to have text entry for the user name that the firmware based user name / 
password fields are behaving the same. The firmware login has three phrases it 
will speak, username, password, and user name or password incorrect. 

. 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 11, 2017, at 5:00 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Umm,
>  
> John, this is not true,
>  
> I do this everytime I log in to my mac book air,
> I have file volt running and at the log in screen I start up vo with cmd f5 
> and then vo shift down arrow which opens the users list I select my name and 
> then vo space bar and enter the password,
>  
> And I’ve done this for the last 3 versions of the osx
>  
> So if it’s not working for you guys I don’t know what is different.
>  
> the 
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of John Panarese
> Sent: Sunday, 11 June 2017 2:57 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled
>  
>This is absolutely correct. You cannot navigate in the login window for 
> FileVault. It doesn't matter how many users have accounts on the system, you 
> simply type your user name at the prompt and then your password. You cannot 
> choose the user as you can do with the normal login window. FileVault's login 
> window is prompted before the system disk even is accessed. It is a special 
> login window entirely. So, there is no automatic login for any account and 
> the option to have VoiceOver speak in the login window is not available for 
> FileVault login.
>  
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
>  
> On Jun 10, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn  > wrote:
>  
> Hello,
>  
> This login is a very limited system screen and though it sounds similar to 
> VoiceOver it is not VoiceOVer It will say user name until you enter a legit 
> user name something like "john" or "joncohn" and hit enter once your user 
> name has been accepted it will say password. If you enter the correct 
> password then in a few seconds you will have all the normal functionality 
> available or else it will say username or password incorrect. 
>  
> My experience has been I have to type in all the characters of my username I 
> have never found a way to do this with arrow keys and certainly the VO style 
> keys I have found to do nothing.
>  
>  
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
>  
> On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:14 AM, Nickus de Vos  > wrote:
>  
> My sighted help could only access the password field when VO was switched 
> off, but if I switch vo again, not even the sighted person can navigate to 
> the username or password field.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On 10 Jun 2017, at 13:07, Terje Strømberg  > wrote:
> 
> Did your sighted friend see the password field? 
> 
> Take care
> 
> 
> 
> 9. jun. 2017 kl. 21.54 skrev Nickus de Vos  >:
> 
> I did switch on voice-over, I even tried and to switch on and off a couple of 
> times. I'll try again maybe I missed something.
> Thanks
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On 09 Jun 2017, at 21:41, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I haven't used FileVault, but have been thinking about doing it for a while 
> now.  So I have a question about John's post.  Do you choose a username, or 
> is it assigned?  If assigned, what do you have to enter, the entire file path 
> or just the name of that folder?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> Further to John's note, usually, VO is not active, nor available, at the 
> initial login screen when File Vault is enabled.  You can press cmd-f5 to try 
> to turn on VO, you should get a single tone, at this point, as John 
> mentioned, just type your username and press return.  If it accepts your 
> username, two tones will sound meaning that it's ready for your password. In 
> my case, once I

Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[John Panarese]

   No, it's not working here either. I just created a few accounts on my Mac 
Book Pro and I am not getting any functionality for navigating in the initial 
FileVault screen. I'm only prompted for my user name and then my password.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT



> On Jun 11, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Simon,
> 
> Either you have the older version of File Vault enabled or else they 
> eliminated functionality in some systems. I just tried your instructions, and 
> the vo keys with arrows shift arrows and control arrows say nothing when on 
> the initial boot screen. This is true on both my MacBook Air (11-inch, Early 
> 2015) and my  MacBook Pro 2015 bought in June 2016. 
> 
> of course there is the slight possibility that since I changed my default 
> login screen to have text entry for the user name that the firmware based 
> user name / password fields are behaving the same. The firmware login has 
> three phrases it will speak, username, password, and user name or password 
> incorrect. 
> 
> . 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 11, 2017, at 5:00 AM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Umm,
>>  
>> John, this is not true,
>>  
>> I do this everytime I log in to my mac book air,
>> I have file volt running and at the log in screen I start up vo with cmd f5 
>> and then vo shift down arrow which opens the users list I select my name and 
>> then vo space bar and enter the password,
>>  
>> And I’ve done this for the last 3 versions of the osx
>>  
>> So if it’s not working for you guys I don’t know what is different.
>>  
>> the 
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of John Panarese
>> Sent: Sunday, 11 June 2017 2:57 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled
>>  
>>This is absolutely correct. You cannot navigate in the login window for 
>> FileVault. It doesn't matter how many users have accounts on the system, you 
>> simply type your user name at the prompt and then your password. You cannot 
>> choose the user as you can do with the normal login window. FileVault's 
>> login window is prompted before the system disk even is accessed. It is a 
>> special login window entirely. So, there is no automatic login for any 
>> account and the option to have VoiceOver speak in the login window is not 
>> available for FileVault login.
>>  
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> On Jun 10, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hello,
>>  
>> This login is a very limited system screen and though it sounds similar to 
>> VoiceOver it is not VoiceOVer It will say user name until you enter a legit 
>> user name something like "john" or "joncohn" and hit enter once your user 
>> name has been accepted it will say password. If you enter the correct 
>> password then in a few seconds you will have all the normal functionality 
>> available or else it will say username or password incorrect. 
>>  
>> My experience has been I have to type in all the characters of my username I 
>> have never found a way to do this with arrow keys and certainly the VO style 
>> keys I have found to do nothing.
>>  
>>  
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:14 AM, Nickus de Vos > > wrote:
>>  
>> My sighted help could only access the password field when VO was switched 
>> off, but if I switch vo again, not even the sighted person can navigate to 
>> the username or password field.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On 10 Jun 2017, at 13:07, Terje Strømberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Did your sighted friend see the password field? 
>> 
>> Take care
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 9. jun. 2017 kl. 21.54 skrev Nickus de Vos > >:
>> 
>> I did switch on voice-over, I even tried and to switch on and off a couple 
>> of times. I'll try again maybe I missed something.
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On 09 Jun 2017, at 21:41, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I haven't used FileVa

Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[Paul Mimms]

I guess I get the same results as the rest of you are getting when my 2014 MBP 
running Sierra boots up . it doesn't say anything until it starts up then it 
asks for username, and I found out that  after I  type the username, I can tab 
and it will prompt  for the password. Then I tap enter aget the three beeps and 
proceed into the syhstem. 



Life is 10% what happens, and how you take it, and 90% what you do about it, 
and what you make of it.
Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus

> On Jun 11, 2017, at 12:48 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>No, it's not working here either. I just created a few accounts on my Mac 
> Book Pro and I am not getting any functionality for navigating in the initial 
> FileVault screen. I'm only prompted for my user name and then my password.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 11, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> Simon,
>> 
>> Either you have the older version of File Vault enabled or else they 
>> eliminated functionality in some systems. I just tried your instructions, 
>> and the vo keys with arrows shift arrows and control arrows say nothing when 
>> on the initial boot screen. This is true on both my MacBook Air (11-inch, 
>> Early 2015) and my  MacBook Pro 2015 bought in June 2016. 
>> 
>> of course there is the slight possibility that since I changed my default 
>> login screen to have text entry for the user name that the firmware based 
>> user name / password fields are behaving the same. The firmware login has 
>> three phrases it will speak, username, password, and user name or password 
>> incorrect. 
>> 
>> . 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 11, 2017, at 5:00 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Umm,
>>>  
>>> John, this is not true,
>>>  
>>> I do this everytime I log in to my mac book air,
>>> I have file volt running and at the log in screen I start up vo with cmd f5 
>>> and then vo shift down arrow which opens the users list I select my name 
>>> and then vo space bar and enter the password,
>>>  
>>> And I’ve done this for the last 3 versions of the osx
>>>  
>>> So if it’s not working for you guys I don’t know what is different.
>>>  
>>> the 
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese
>>> Sent: Sunday, 11 June 2017 2:57 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled
>>>  
>>>This is absolutely correct. You cannot navigate in the login window for 
>>> FileVault. It doesn't matter how many users have accounts on the system, 
>>> you simply type your user name at the prompt and then your password. You 
>>> cannot choose the user as you can do with the normal login window. 
>>> FileVault's login window is prompted before the system disk even is 
>>> accessed. It is a special login window entirely. So, there is no automatic 
>>> login for any account and the option to have VoiceOver speak in the login 
>>> window is not available for FileVault login.
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>> 
>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>>> 
>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>> 
>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> On Jun 10, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hello,
>>>  
>>> This login is a very limited system screen and though it sounds similar to 
>>> VoiceOver it is not VoiceOVer It will say user name until you enter a legit 
>>> user name something like "john" or "joncohn" and hit enter once your user 
>>> name has been accepted it will say password. If you enter the correct 
>>> password then in a few seconds you will have all the normal functionality 
>>> available or else it will say username or password incorrect. 
>>>  
>>> My experience has been I have to type in all the characters of my username 
>>> I have never found a way to do this with arrow keys and certainly the VO 
>>> style keys I have found to do nothing.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:14 AM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
>>>  
>>> My sighted help could only access the password field when VO was switched 
>>> off, but if I switch vo again, not even the sighted person can navigate to 
>>> the username or password field.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10 Jun 2017, at 13:07, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Did your sighted friend see the password field? 
>>> 
>>> Take care
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 9. jun. 2017 k

Re: VIrtual box and other operating systems than windows.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Yes!
I did that today and it works but it was a bit of a struggle.
You have to use the mouse commands in voiceover to get things work.
/A
> 10 juni 2017 kl. 20:49 skrev Karen Lewellen :
> 
> even if you are starting from your mac and connecting to  Linux?
> I feel that is correct but wish to be sure.
> 
> 
> On Sat, 10 Jun 2017, Anders Holmberg wrote:
> 
>> Hi!
>> In the connected operating system you use the screenreader for Linux.
>> But elsewhere you should be able to use voiceover from what i can tell.
>> /A
>>> 10 juni 2017 kl. 20:10 skrev Karen Lewellen :
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> I am curious, if one uses this program to connect to a different operating 
>>> system like Linux, which screen reader is used?
>>> By which I mean does Voiceover work even in these different environments?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Kare
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, 9 Jun 2017, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> 
 Yes, it’s a free alternative to VMWare. One of the advantages is that it 
 has a command line feature so you can script and type commands instead of 
 point and click and use the GUI.
 
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 9:24 PM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
> 
> So is this an alternative to VMWare?
> 
> thanks,
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:24 PM, Anders Holmberg  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Since Simon Fogarty here on this list mentioned that VirtualBox was 
>> accessible i thought i would give it a try today.
>> It seems to work but when selecting an operating system i can only see 
>> windows and no other systems to select from.
>> But i would like to try out som linux distributions in the virtual box.
>> Can this be done without sight?
>> Thanks in advance.
>> /A
>> 
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Re: VIrtual box and other operating systems than windows.

[Jonathan Cohn]

There is one possibility of using VoiceOver when working with a Linux VM but I 
would expect it would not work very well.

1. Start Linux VM.
2. Start X11 server on the Macintosh and have it connect to the VM.
3. Try using VoiceOver with the X11 Screens.

I have no idea if the X11 window server which is now a download from the Apple 
and not usually installed on the OS has any hooks to work with VOiceOVer. But 
then the last time I used X11 was in 2009. Hmm, I wonder if  XTank would work 
with VoiceOVer?

 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 11, 2017, at 6:06 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thankfully, you don't have to rely on Voice Over when running Linux
> shell level apps. Instead, you use Speakup, or brltty, or emacspeak, or
> perhaps the new Henrii. Voice Over would be as bad at the Linux shell as
> it is in the Mac terminal.
> 
> You might want VO in Linux graphical desktop apps, but it won't run
> there, either. Instead, you use Orca.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Karen Lewellen writes:
>> even if you are starting from your mac and connecting to  Linux?
>> I feel that is correct but wish to be sure.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, 10 Jun 2017, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> In the connected operating system you use the screenreader for Linux.
>>> But elsewhere you should be able to use voiceover from what i can tell.
>>> /A
 10 juni 2017 kl. 20:10 skrev Karen Lewellen :
 
 Scott,
 I am curious, if one uses this program to connect to a different operating 
 system like Linux, which screen reader is used?
 By which I mean does Voiceover work even in these different environments?
 Thanks,
 Kare
 
 
 On Fri, 9 Jun 2017, Scott Granados wrote:
 
> Yes, it’s a free alternative to VMWare. One of the advantages is that it 
> has a command line feature so you can script and type commands instead of 
> point and click and use the GUI.
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 9:24 PM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
>> 
>> So is this an alternative to VMWare?
>> 
>> thanks,
>> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:24 PM, Anders Holmberg  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Since Simon Fogarty here on this list mentioned that VirtualBox was 
>>> accessible i thought i would give it a try today.
>>> It seems to work but when selecting an operating system i can only see 
>>> windows and no other systems to select from.
>>> But i would like to try out som linux distributions in the virtual box.
>>> Can this be done without sight?
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> /A
>>> 
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Re: iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location - CNET

[Mike Arrigo]

Yes, this is a good thing. If you are not using an app, there is absolutely no 
reason for it to be tracking your location, it serves no purpose and probably 
drains the battery faster.
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 3:36 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Wonderful. Hopefully they won't introduce new nasty bugs, because this 
> feature would really be welcome.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 1:30 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location -
>> CNET
>> When iOS 11 is available later this year, users will have the option to
>> customize how each app uses his or her location - regardless of the options
>> a developer provides.
>> Prior to iOS 11, users could only use one of the location access options
>> provided by developers. That meant, for an app like Uber, you were limited
>> to two options. If a developer didn't want to include the option for use
>> only while you are using the app, you were stuck with Never or Always. 
>> iOS 11 now offers both privacy options for any app requesting your location.
>> Huge win over apps like Uber "needing" it all the time.
>> pic.twitter.com/mZke8InSVD
>> - Lance Somoza (@SyrinxStarman) June 6, 2017
>> As the above screenshot shows, iOS 11 users are finally given full control
>> over when an app can access location data. Naturally, most users will only
>> want that to be when he or she is, you know, actually using the app.
>> To control each individual app, users will need to go to Settings > Privacy
>>> Location Services to adjust individual app settings or as shown in the
>> screenshot, iOS 11 will prompt users.
>> As is always the case with Apple betas, the company sometimes removes or
>> changes features before final release. We will update this post as the beta
>> process progresses.
>> Apple confirmed to CNET that this is indeed a feature of iOS 11. 
>> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-stop-apps-from-constantly-tracking-your-l
>> ocation-in-ios-11/#ftag=CAD5457c2c
>> 
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Re: Download passed iTunes purchases all at once

[Angus MacKinnon]

Tim

Thank you. When I tried reseting the password, I was told that my login 
attemptts had been exceeded. A sighted friend fixed most things after doing a 
remote login. However, I am still confused why The Red Hot chilli Piper albums 
and Songs (Bagrock to the Masses - 09 Medley Chilli Pipers - Rockin All Over 
The World, Blast Live - 06 Clocks) says purchased and will not allow me to 
download. I can only play the 90 secondd preview.

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Re: Blume Wifi

[Scott Granados]

You power them by plugging them in. They are small pods that just sit around 
the property.  You can mesh as many as you want together they come in boxes of 
1 3 and 6 I believe.

> On Jun 11, 2017, at 4:48 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Yeah that I understand but the actual quality of it once it’s up and working 
> is what I’m looking for.
> 
> The mesh networking idea as you say has been around for a while but putting 
> it in the home will make life easy for full coverage.
> 
> But I was wondering how you power the repeaters or units around the house,
> Does each one need to be plugged in to a power socket?
> 
> I’m kind of wondering if this might be a problem solver for my place and my 
> neighbours to allow us to share an internet connection therefore me make some 
> extra cash each month.
> 
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  ] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Sunday, 11 June 2017 12:02 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Blume Wifi
> 
> Hi Simon,
> 
> The way it seems to work is you connect via 1 or 2 gigabit ports to your 
> network.  Either by placing the master unit in router mode and having it 
> handle the whole internet connection or in bridge mode where it provides the 
> access point function but you provide your own routing hardware.  (This will 
> be my config). Once connected you start an app on your phone (iPhone in my 
> case but both platforms are supported) and you configure the first plume 
> device.  Then you power up and add each new device to the mesh.  You don’t 
> run physical wires to anything but the controller or master access point.  
> The rest use backhaul channels to build the mesh.  Once you’ve added all the 
> access points you want, you get a box of 6 for $320 US, they connect to a 
> cloud application where the mesh starts to optimize itself.  The meshes can 
> either direct connect back to the control access point and or hop from one to 
> another if that’s more optimal.  The cloud software and access points will 
> steer the clients to the best frequency and access point based on it’s 
> location with in the mesh.  IF 2.4 ghz suddenly becomes more speedy you’ll 
> drop to 2.4 and then be steered back up to 5 ghz if that returns to normal.  
> Also uses tactics to isolate you from your neighbors and so forth.  Cool 
> stuff.  Google is also working in this space as is Netgear and Niro.  Plume 
> seems to rate the highest and perform the best in testing from the reviews 
> I’ve read though.
> 
> Cool stuff.  Mesh WiFi was usually the stuff of big enterprises, nice to have 
> it in the home now.
> 
> On Jun 10, 2017, at 2:34 AM, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> When You test drive these blume wifi devices I’m interested to know how they 
> go
> 
> They sound bloody interesting
> 
> I’m wondering though how you get them connected to your network.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> Simon f
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Re: Blume Wifi

[Scott Granados]

It’s hard to fill up a gigabit.  I use all sorts of parallel stuff streaming, 
gaming, phones, and so forth so the extra headroom just helps everything work 
smoothly.  I could probably get away with far less.

> On Jun 11, 2017, at 5:21 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> 
> I’m meant to have gigabit internet for my home but it’s a joke here in nz,
> I’m lucky if I get half a gigabit for a download.
> 
> 
> As for wifi I’m currently using a fritzbox as my router modem,
> I’d love to have faster internet / wifi but hey lifes a bitch and we’re 
> getting screwed by providers in nz.
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  ] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Sunday, 11 June 2017 8:03 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Blume Wifi
> 
> Hey Scot,
> 
> Yeah, it's pretty cool.  We have the gigabyte option here, too, but we didn't 
> get it for our rental house.  We're thinking about it for our permanent home, 
> which we'll be moving into in July.  Good to know the limits of the Airport.  
> I was wondering what its cut-off point was.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> On Jun 10, 2017, at 1:14 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
> Ah I love being on a fiber network.  They just rolled out full gigabit where 
> I live and I upgraded while cutting my bill in half.  I have so much on WiFi 
> now that I really do need a distributed system.  Your airport is good up to 
> about 200 megabits.  If your service will be faster than that it’s time to 
> update.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 10, 2017, at 9:34 AM, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Thanks for sharing this, Scott.  Now that I have the option of a fast fiber 
> connection, I've been wondering if it's time to replace our airport extreme.  
> this sounds like an interesting option.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:01 AM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Simon,
> 
> The way it seems to work is you connect via 1 or 2 gigabit ports to your 
> network.  Either by placing the master unit in router mode and having it 
> handle the whole internet connection or in bridge mode where it provides the 
> access point function but you provide your own routing hardware.  (This will 
> be my config). Once connected you start an app on your phone (iPhone in my 
> case but both platforms are supported) and you configure the first plume 
> device.  Then you power up and add each new device to the mesh.  You don’t 
> run physical wires to anything but the controller or master access point.  
> The rest use backhaul channels to build the mesh.  Once you’ve added all the 
> access points you want, you get a box of 6 for $320 US, they connect to a 
> cloud application where the mesh starts to optimize itself.  The meshes can 
> either direct connect back to the control access point and or hop from one to 
> another if that’s more optimal.  The cloud software and access points will 
> steer the clients to the best frequency and access point based on it’s 
> location with in the mesh.  IF 2.4 ghz suddenly becomes more speedy you’ll 
> drop to 2.4 and then be steered back up to 5 ghz if that returns to normal.  
> Also uses tactics to isolate you from your neighbors and so forth.  Cool 
> stuff.  Google is also working in this space as is Netgear and Niro.  Plume 
> seems to rate the highest and perform the best in testing from the reviews 
> I’ve read though.
> 
> Cool stuff.  Mesh WiFi was usually the stuff of big enterprises, nice to have 
> it in the home now.
> 
> On Jun 10, 2017, at 2:34 AM, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> When You test drive these blume wifi devices I’m interested to know how they 
> go
> 
> They sound bloody interesting
> 
> I’m wondering though how you get them connected to your network.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> Simon f
> 
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Re: Blume Wifi

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

I have Gb internet at work and the only thing I've found that will fill 
the pipe is Apple updates. I think it's peaked at 112MB/s download 
getting an iOS update. Everything else seems to have bottlenecks 
elsewhere the cap the throughput.


CB

On 6/11/17 9:53 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
It’s hard to fill up a gigabit.  I use all sorts of parallel stuff 
streaming, gaming, phones, and so forth so the extra headroom just 
helps everything work smoothly.  I could probably get away with far less.


On Jun 11, 2017, at 5:21 AM, Simon Fogarty > wrote:


Scott,
I’m meant to have gigabit internet for my home but it’s a joke here 
in nz,

I’m lucky if I get half a gigabit for a download.
As for wifi I’m currently using a fritzbox as my router modem,
I’d love to have faster internet / wifi but hey lifes a bitch and 
we’re getting screwed by providers in nz.
*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]*On 
Behalf Of*Donna Goodin

*Sent:*Sunday, 11 June 2017 8:03 AM
*To:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 


*Subject:*Re: Blume Wifi
Hey Scot,
Yeah, it's pretty cool.  We have the gigabyte option here, too, but 
we didn't get it for our rental house.  We're thinking about it for 
our permanent home, which we'll be moving into in July.  Good to know 
the limits of the Airport.  I was wondering what its cut-off point was.

Cheers,
Donna

On Jun 10, 2017, at 1:14 PM, Scott Granados
mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Ah I love being on a fiber network.  They just rolled out full
gigabit where I live and I upgraded while cutting my bill in
half.  I have so much on WiFi now that I really do need a
distributed system.  Your airport is good up to about 200
megabits.  If your service will be faster than that it’s time to
update.

On Jun 10, 2017, at 9:34 AM, Donna Goodin mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
Thanks for sharing this, Scott.  Now that I have the option
of a fast fiber connection, I've been wondering if it's time
to replace our airport extreme.  this sounds like an
interesting option.
Cheers,
Donna

On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:01 AM, Scott Granados
mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Simon,
The way it seems to work is you connect via 1 or 2
gigabit ports to your network.  Either by placing the
master unit in router mode and having it handle the whole
internet connection or in bridge mode where it provides
the access point function but you provide your own
routing hardware.  (This will be my config). Once
connected you start an app on your phone (iPhone in my
case but both platforms are supported) and you configure
the first plume device.  Then you power up and add each
new device to the mesh.  You don’t run physical wires to
anything but the controller or master access point.  The
rest use backhaul channels to build the mesh.  Once
you’ve added all the access points you want, you get a
box of 6 for $320 US, they connect to a cloud application
where the mesh starts to optimize itself.  The meshes can
either direct connect back to the control access point
and or hop from one to another if that’s more optimal.
 The cloud software and access points will steer the
clients to the best frequency and access point based on
it’s location with in the mesh.  IF 2.4 ghz suddenly
becomes more speedy you’ll drop to 2.4 and then be
steered back up to 5 ghz if that returns to normal.  Also
uses tactics to isolate you from your neighbors and so
forth.  Cool stuff.  Google is also working in this space
as is Netgear and Niro.  Plume seems to rate the highest
and perform the best in testing from the reviews I’ve
read though.
Cool stuff.  Mesh WiFi was usually the stuff of big
enterprises, nice to have it in the home now.

On Jun 10, 2017, at 2:34 AM, Simon Fogarty
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>>
wrote:
Hi Scott,
When You test drive these blume wifi devices I’m
interested to know how they go
They sound bloody interesting
I’m wondering though how you get them connected to
your network.
Cheers,
Simon f
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Re: Keyboards commands are going crazy

[Ramy Moustafa]

Thanks so much sir, will gona try that

On 6/7/17, E.T.  wrote:
> Ramy,
> I do not use Spotlight but tried it just now. I hit escape to
> dismiss any search results and escape one more time to dismiss Spotlight.
>
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 6/7/2017 5:44 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> Hi tim:
>>
>> This Happened if I don't want to use the spot lite, I mean, I need to
>> use it, but I typed something which I couldn't find, or  I changed my
>> mind and don't want to use it, so I press escape buttomn, after I did
>> this, the problem accured.
>>
>>
>> On 6/6/17, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Some more info please.  When you use Spotlight, you are pressing
>>> cmd-space
>>> to invoke it?  Then I assume that you're typing in the name of the
>>> application you wish to find.  Then what keys do you press?
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 13:38, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Tim, very helpful Answer, how ever, i press Cmd-tap and still the
>>> same, it happened again today,
>>>
 On Jun 6, 2017, at 6:29 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

 Hi,

 That is correct.  The Finder cannot be closed, nor does it need to be.
 Things like Spotlight are usually services, not apps, thus when you
 close
 it, the Finder is still considered the running application, but focus
 is
 not within the correct window.  The cmd-tab I mentioned will bring
 focus
 back to the correct Finder window and you should be fine to proceed.

 If you still have questions, feel free to ask away.

 Later...

 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 On Jun 6, 2017, at 10:13, Ramy Moustafa 
 wrote:

 Tim:
 you are fully right,
 but the finder itself can not be closed,
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:21 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> It's not really a bug.  It's due to layering.  When you open
> Spotlight,
> an invisible layer brings the Spotlight service into focus, therefore,
> VO
> works within the Spotlight layer.  When you close Spotlight, that
> layer
> is still there.  The sighted user will not notice it as it is
> invisible,
> and when they click an item visible to them on the screen, focus is
> automatically transferred to the other app and the selected item.
> With
> VO, you can either press cmd-tab to make VO focus go back to the
> actual
> Finder, or click the mouse or Trackpad to get focus out of the
> Spotlight
> layer.
>
> Hope that makes sense.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 07:37, Ramy Moustafa 
> wrote:
>
> Hello all:
>
> I face a very strange issue, i made a restart and all are ok, but
> incase
> it will happen again.
> while searching to find an app, i use the spot lite, after this, i can
> not use the Vo keys + shift + c, to go to my computer,, can not go to
> my
> disk top, and using the vo-f1 twice bring me just 1 window which is
> the
> finder.
> so, is it usual bug? or i hit something by mistake?
> Thanks
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Re: Some apps for my work

[Ramy Moustafa]

Aha thanks so much,
but are there any other apps/

On 6/6/17, Larry Thacker Jr.  wrote:
> This costs a little but works very well.  I have used it both to capture
> video and to make Mp3 of video, all in one download step.  Despite the name,
> it works on more sites than just Youtube.
>
> https://softorino.com/youtube-converter
> 
>
>
>
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:18 AM, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi again my friends:
>> I am searching to find a good and accessible apps that can do the
>> following:
>> 1- an app to download youtube files as mp3 to use them in my work.
>> 2- an app to convert videos too mp3s.
>> 3-
>> Any ideas will be highly abbreciated
>> Thanks in advance
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Re: Some apps for my work

[E.T.]

Ramy,
   Another app you may want to look at is Downie. I have not gotten it 
yet but its on my wish list. Its $20 but offers a trial. Link is below.




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On 6/11/2017 7:30 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Aha thanks so much,
but are there any other apps/

On 6/6/17, Larry Thacker Jr.  wrote:

This costs a little but works very well.  I have used it both to capture
video and to make Mp3 of video, all in one download step.  Despite the name,
it works on more sites than just Youtube.

https://softorino.com/youtube-converter





On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:18 AM, Ramy Moustafa 
wrote:

Hi again my friends:
I am searching to find a good and accessible apps that can do the
following:
1- an app to download youtube files as mp3 to use them in my work.
2- an app to convert videos too mp3s.
3-
Any ideas will be highly abbreciated
Thanks in advance

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Re: Download passed iTunes purchases all at once

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

It may have something to do with the Family situation, although I'm not 
positive.  It could also be that certain albums may not be available to 
download from the iTunes Store, although I doubt that that's the issue.

Did you set up one Apple ID as the primary and the other as a family member?

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 11, 2017, at 17:08, Angus MacKinnon  wrote:

Tim

Thank you. When I tried reseting the password, I was told that my login 
attemptts had been exceeded. A sighted friend fixed most things after doing a 
remote login. However, I am still confused why The Red Hot chilli Piper albums 
and Songs (Bagrock to the Masses - 09 Medley Chilli Pipers - Rockin All Over 
The World, Blast Live - 06 Clocks) says purchased and will not allow me to 
download. I can only play the 90 secondd preview.

Angus MacKinnon


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RE: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[Simon Fogarty]

I'm just wondering if the person that had this issue at the start can advise if 
they get the start up tones from their Mac when they power it on?

 I found at work today that a machine had been muted or at least the start up 
tones had been muted and therefore VO wouldn't start up at the log in screen, 
yet after restarting the start up tones vo worked fine at start up.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Monday, 12 June 2017 1:51 AM
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

Hi.

I have been catching up with all my e-mails today so come late to this thread.

I have been using File Volt for a long time and after getting voice over to 
come on in the login screen in preferences, it did not work when I shut down 
and restarted the computer.  It makes a bleep for you to enter your user name 
and once you press return, another bleep for you to enter your password.

Kawal.
> On 11 Jun 2017, at 10:00, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Umm,
>  
> John, this is not true,
>  
> I do this everytime I log in to my mac book air, I have file volt 
> running and at the log in screen I start up vo with cmd f5 and then vo 
> shift down arrow which opens the users list I select my name and then 
> vo space bar and enter the password,
>  
> And I’ve done this for the last 3 versions of the osx
>  
> So if it’s not working for you guys I don’t know what is different.
>  
> the
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese
> Sent: Sunday, 11 June 2017 2:57 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled
>  
>This is absolutely correct. You cannot navigate in the login window for 
> FileVault. It doesn't matter how many users have accounts on the system, you 
> simply type your user name at the prompt and then your password. You cannot 
> choose the user as you can do with the normal login window. FileVault's login 
> window is prompted before the system disk even is accessed. It is a special 
> login window entirely. So, there is no automatic login for any account and 
> the option to have VoiceOver speak in the login window is not available for 
> FileVault login.
>  
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
> 
>  
> On Jun 10, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>  
> Hello,
>  
> This login is a very limited system screen and though it sounds similar to 
> VoiceOver it is not VoiceOVer It will say user name until you enter a legit 
> user name something like "john" or "joncohn" and hit enter once your user 
> name has been accepted it will say password. If you enter the correct 
> password then in a few seconds you will have all the normal functionality 
> available or else it will say username or password incorrect. 
>  
> My experience has been I have to type in all the characters of my username I 
> have never found a way to do this with arrow keys and certainly the VO style 
> keys I have found to do nothing.
>  
>  
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
>  
> On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:14 AM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
>  
> My sighted help could only access the password field when VO was switched 
> off, but if I switch vo again, not even the sighted person can navigate to 
> the username or password field.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On 10 Jun 2017, at 13:07, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
> 
> Did your sighted friend see the password field? 
> 
> Take care
> 
> 
> 
> 9. jun. 2017 kl. 21.54 skrev Nickus de Vos :
> 
> I did switch on voice-over, I even tried and to switch on and off a couple of 
> times. I'll try again maybe I missed something.
> Thanks
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On 09 Jun 2017, at 21:41, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I haven't used FileVault, but have been thinking about doing it for a while 
> now. So I have a question about John's post. Do you choose a username, or is 
> it assigned? If assigned, what do you have to enter, the entire file path or 
> just the name of that folder?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
> On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> Further to John's note, usually, VO is not active, nor available, at the 
> initial login screen when File Vault is enabled. You can press cmd-f5 to try 
> to turn on VO, you should get a single tone, at this point, as John 
> mentioned, just type your username and press return. If it accepts your 
> username, two tones will sound meaning that it's ready for your password. In 
> my case, once I start entering my password, a tone is sounded for each 
> key-press. After you finish the 

RE: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[Simon Fogarty]

>From power on and also restarts.

Yes it’s not a full VO but a vo similar to that from say tiger 10.4.x


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Monday, 12 June 2017 3:21 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

Simon,

Are you doing this from complete shutdown or restart?  With File Vault enabled, 
the initial login screen after restart or shutdown is pre-system load-up, thus 
VO is not usually available.  After you've got past this screen, then can be a 
second login which is totally available.  Now, I'm running an older MBP, so 
it's possible that things act differently in newer Mac models, but I'm not 
certain.  It seems problematic though if VO was available at the initial Login 
screen as that would mean that unrestricted access to much of the file system 
would be gained before the password was required.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 11, 2017, at 03:00, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Umm,

John, this is not true,

I do this everytime I log in to my mac book air,
I have file volt running and at the log in screen I start up vo with cmd f5 and 
then vo shift down arrow which opens the users list I select my name and then 
vo space bar and enter the password,

And I’ve done this for the last 3 versions of the osx

So if it’s not working for you guys I don’t know what is different.

the

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese
Sent: Sunday, 11 June 2017 2:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

   This is absolutely correct. You cannot navigate in the login window for 
FileVault. It doesn't matter how many users have accounts on the system, you 
simply type your user name at the prompt and then your password. You cannot 
choose the user as you can do with the normal login window. FileVault's login 
window is prompted before the system disk even is accessed. It is a special 
login window entirely. So, there is no automatic login for any account and the 
option to have VoiceOver speak in the login window is not available for 
FileVault login.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT



On Jun 10, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn 
mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello,

This login is a very limited system screen and though it sounds similar to 
VoiceOver it is not VoiceOVer It will say user name until you enter a legit 
user name something like "john" or "joncohn" and hit enter once your user name 
has been accepted it will say password. If you enter the correct password then 
in a few seconds you will have all the normal functionality available or else 
it will say username or password incorrect.

My experience has been I have to type in all the characters of my username I 
have never found a way to do this with arrow keys and certainly the VO style 
keys I have found to do nothing.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:14 AM, Nickus de Vos 
mailto:bigboy...@gmail.com>> wrote:

My sighted help could only access the password field when VO was switched off, 
but if I switch vo again, not even the sighted person can navigate to the 
username or password field.

Sent from my iPhone



On 10 Jun 2017, at 13:07, Terje Strømberg 
mailto:terjestrmb...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Did your sighted friend see the password field?

Take care




9. jun. 2017 kl. 21.54 skrev Nickus de Vos 
mailto:bigboy...@gmail.com>>:

I did switch on voice-over, I even tried and to switch on and off a couple of 
times. I'll try again maybe I missed something.
Thanks

Sent from my iPhone



On 09 Jun 2017, at 21:41, Donna Goodin 
mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

I haven't used FileVault, but have been thinking about doing it for a while 
now.  So I have a question about John's post.  Do you choose a username, or is 
it assigned?  If assigned, what do you have to enter, the entire file path or 
just the name of that folder?
TIA,
Donna


On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Tim Kilburn 
mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:

hi,

Further to John's note, usually, VO is not active, nor available, at the 
initial login screen when File Vault is enabled.  You can press cmd-f5 to try 
to turn on VO, you should get a single tone, at this point, as John mentioned, 
just type your username and press return.  If it accepts your username, two 
tones will sound meaning that it's ready for your password. In my case, once I 
start enterin

RE: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

[Simon Fogarty]

This was a fresh installation from a wiped SSD approx. 3  weeks ago.
I run the update from 10.12.4 to 10.12.5 last week so to my knowledge file volt 
is as up to date as it can get.



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Monday, 12 June 2017 5:45 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

Simon,

Either you have the older version of File Vault enabled or else they eliminated 
functionality in some systems. I just tried your instructions, and the vo keys 
with arrows shift arrows and control arrows say nothing when on the initial 
boot screen. This is true on both my MacBook Air (11-inch, Early 2015) and my  
MacBook Pro 2015 bought in June 2016.

of course there is the slight possibility that since I changed my default login 
screen to have text entry for the user name that the firmware based user name / 
password fields are behaving the same. The firmware login has three phrases it 
will speak, username, password, and user name or password incorrect.

.
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On Jun 11, 2017, at 5:00 AM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Umm,

John, this is not true,

I do this everytime I log in to my mac book air,
I have file volt running and at the log in screen I start up vo with cmd f5 and 
then vo shift down arrow which opens the users list I select my name and then 
vo space bar and enter the password,

And I’ve done this for the last 3 versions of the osx

So if it’s not working for you guys I don’t know what is different.

the

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese
Sent: Sunday, 11 June 2017 2:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VO bug logging in with Filevolt enabled

   This is absolutely correct. You cannot navigate in the login window for 
FileVault. It doesn't matter how many users have accounts on the system, you 
simply type your user name at the prompt and then your password. You cannot 
choose the user as you can do with the normal login window. FileVault's login 
window is prompted before the system disk even is accessed. It is a special 
login window entirely. So, there is no automatic login for any account and the 
option to have VoiceOver speak in the login window is not available for 
FileVault login.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT



On Jun 10, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn 
mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello,

This login is a very limited system screen and though it sounds similar to 
VoiceOver it is not VoiceOVer It will say user name until you enter a legit 
user name something like "john" or "joncohn" and hit enter once your user name 
has been accepted it will say password. If you enter the correct password then 
in a few seconds you will have all the normal functionality available or else 
it will say username or password incorrect.

My experience has been I have to type in all the characters of my username I 
have never found a way to do this with arrow keys and certainly the VO style 
keys I have found to do nothing.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:14 AM, Nickus de Vos 
mailto:bigboy...@gmail.com>> wrote:

My sighted help could only access the password field when VO was switched off, 
but if I switch vo again, not even the sighted person can navigate to the 
username or password field.

Sent from my iPhone



On 10 Jun 2017, at 13:07, Terje Strømberg 
mailto:terjestrmb...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Did your sighted friend see the password field?

Take care




9. jun. 2017 kl. 21.54 skrev Nickus de Vos 
mailto:bigboy...@gmail.com>>:

I did switch on voice-over, I even tried and to switch on and off a couple of 
times. I'll try again maybe I missed something.
Thanks

Sent from my iPhone



On 09 Jun 2017, at 21:41, Donna Goodin 
mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

I haven't used FileVault, but have been thinking about doing it for a while 
now.  So I have a question about John's post.  Do you choose a username, or is 
it assigned?  If assigned, what do you have to enter, the entire file path or 
just the name of that folder?
TIA,
Donna


On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Tim Kilburn 
mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:

hi,

Further to John's note, usually, VO is not active, nor available, at the 
initial login screen when File Vault is enabled.  You can press cmd-f5 to try 
to turn on VO, you should get a single tone, at this point, as John mentioned, 
just ty

RE: Blume Wifi

[Simon Fogarty]

As in plugging them in to mains power and they then pick up the wifi network 
from the base unit or closest blume pod

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Monday, 12 June 2017 1:52 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blume Wifi

You power them by plugging them in. They are small pods that just sit around 
the property.  You can mesh as many as you want together they come in boxes of 
1 3 and 6 I believe.

On Jun 11, 2017, at 4:48 AM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Yeah that I understand but the actual quality of it once it’s up and working is 
what I’m looking for.

The mesh networking idea as you say has been around for a while but putting it 
in the home will make life easy for full coverage.

But I was wondering how you power the repeaters or units around the house,
Does each one need to be plugged in to a power socket?

I’m kind of wondering if this might be a problem solver for my place and my 
neighbours to allow us to share an internet connection therefore me make some 
extra cash each month.


From: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Sunday, 11 June 2017 12:02 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blume Wifi

Hi Simon,

The way it seems to work is you connect via 1 or 2 gigabit ports to your 
network.  Either by placing the master unit in router mode and having it handle 
the whole internet connection or in bridge mode where it provides the access 
point function but you provide your own routing hardware.  (This will be my 
config). Once connected you start an app on your phone (iPhone in my case but 
both platforms are supported) and you configure the first plume device.  Then 
you power up and add each new device to the mesh.  You don’t run physical wires 
to anything but the controller or master access point.  The rest use backhaul 
channels to build the mesh.  Once you’ve added all the access points you want, 
you get a box of 6 for $320 US, they connect to a cloud application where the 
mesh starts to optimize itself.  The meshes can either direct connect back to 
the control access point and or hop from one to another if that’s more optimal. 
 The cloud software and access points will steer the clients to the best 
frequency and access point based on it’s location with in the mesh.  IF 2.4 ghz 
suddenly becomes more speedy you’ll drop to 2.4 and then be steered back up to 
5 ghz if that returns to normal.  Also uses tactics to isolate you from your 
neighbors and so forth.  Cool stuff.  Google is also working in this space as 
is Netgear and Niro.  Plume seems to rate the highest and perform the best in 
testing from the reviews I’ve read though.

Cool stuff.  Mesh WiFi was usually the stuff of big enterprises, nice to have 
it in the home now.

On Jun 10, 2017, at 2:34 AM, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Scott,

When You test drive these blume wifi devices I’m interested to know how they go

They sound bloody interesting

I’m wondering though how you get them connected to your network.

Cheers,


Simon f


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