Can I get my mackbook to be a little more patience when waiting for a command

[Andy]

Hi all.

I've purchased the book  Janet Ingber - Everything You Need to Know to Use 
the Mac and this is in txt format on my computer and JAWS is reading out the 
chapters for me.

I'm at a section titled Configuring Your Mac to Work Well with VoiceOver.  This 
highlights several changes that I should make to help using the Mac more fun.

Trouble is that when I hold down the VO keys and M and then turn to my JAWS 
computer for the next bit and return, it's too late, my Mac has gone to the 
desktop, rather than wait for my response.

Is there a way to ask my Mac to give me a little more time when it's waiting 
for a command from me?

Any advice would be very welcome.

Very best wishes.

Andy.
>From Scotland with Love.


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Re: Outlook 2016 or Apple mail

[Donna Goodin]

Hi John,

Thank you. This is really helpful and good to know.  I'm hoping I can just 
install Word, and not have to deal with the whole office suite, but I am not 
sure about that yet.

Just curious, is there anyone on list who has experience with both using Word 
for the Mac, and running Word in Windows using Fusion?  Which gives the better 
experience in Word?  That's obviously another option.  I have no interest in 
polluting my Mac by putting Windows on it, but if there is a good reason to, I 
would consider it.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Apr 8, 2017, at 4:42 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Donna,
> 
> I have certainly used Word 2016 on the Macintosh with no major issues. I have 
> not tried anything complex however.  Office 2016 has both Macintosh style 
> menus and also a ribbon, I believe there are more options embedded in the 
> ribbon, though the ribbon is not as keyboard interactive as it is on Windows. 
> You have to interact with the ribbon, select the category from the top row, 
> then move down and interact one more time to get to all the controls there. I 
> expect that one could use the item chooser in two quickly get to a ribbon 
> item, but I have only tried that in Outlook where even in my 2016 15 inch Mac 
> Book Pro I escape out of the item chooser before it brings up a list of items 
> because it is too slow.. (500 messages in inbox)
> 
>   
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 8, 2017, at 8:39 AM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> On a related note, can anyone give me the current status of Office, 
>> specifically Word, on the Mac?  I'm looking at some contract work that would 
>> require me to use Word, so trying to figure out whether to do it on a PC, or 
>> whether I could just use my Mac.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Apr 8, 2017, at 7:31 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> David Diamond mailto:myguidedo...@gmail.com>> 
>>> wrote:
 MY fault.  I should have looked at the group I was responding too.
 However, I have outlook 2016 on my IPhone and, do find it a lot easier to
 use then the apple mail app.  
>>> 
>>> I find that it conveniently separates mailing list messages from messages
>>> addressed directly to me, and it does so automatically. The notifications it
>>> creates on the lock screen are also useful. I think Microsoft Outlook for 
>>> iOS
>>> demonstrates that programmers in Redmond have been paying attention to
>>> accessibility.
>>> 
>>> I have it installed on the Mac as well, but I haven't had enough experience
>>> with that version to comment. Basic accessibility is present, but I don't 
>>> know
>>> how good it is or what limitations may exist.
>>> 
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Re: Silently toggle voiceover

[Stan ZA]

Hi Dan,
There is one possibility!
Turn sound down to zero, “function eleven” repeatedly, and then “command five” 
to toggle speech off.
“Function ten” can turn “muting on, but this action is also announced.
Cheers.

Stan ZA
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> On 09 Apr 2017, at 2:06 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> No unfortunately not.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
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> 
>> On Apr 8, 2017, at 6:44 PM, -dan d.  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Is it possible to toggle vo on and off without the announcement?
>> 
>> cXB
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Re: Outlook 2016 or Apple mail

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

I use Word on the Mac just because I’m more familiar with it, having used it on 
Windows for nearly 20 years.  You have to make some adjustments for apple 
keystrokes, but it is usable.  Item chooser is a good way to get to the ribbon 
controls.  Some of them you work with by VO-shift-M and other’s you just have 
to interact with, but hints do say when you need the extra step.  One extremely 
annoying problem I had was that when switching to and from the app or sometimes 
even using functions within the app, the document would jump back up to the 
top.  I finally discovered that Word is best used with cursor tracking turned 
off.  The down side is that sometimes VO will not be where you want it for 
context related options like correcting spelling or grammar, but you can use 
the VO to Keyboard focus hotkey, which I still forget the sequence for, to get 
it in sync or briefly turn cursor tracking back on.  I tried setting up an 
activity to turn it off when in word, but it caused my computer to hang when 
waking up from sleep.  It’s disconcerting when some things don’t work as 
expected because tracking is off, but it beats running Windows.

To the original question, I can’t compare apples to apples (forgive the bad 
pun) since I never installed the Mac version of Outlook, but that one will come 
down to personal preference provided accessibility remains constant.  Outlook 
is the king of ways to organize and flag your mail.  At work where I’m forced 
to used Windows, I employ these features to manage my inbox as a to-do list so 
that I don’t have to flip to different screens to manage my day.  Mac Mail 
can’t touch that.  However, overall I prefer Mac mail at home for it’s unified 
inbox since I have multiple email accounts.  A combination of reminders and a 
service called followupthen.com keeps my home life on task.

> On Apr 9, 2017, at 8:39 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> Thank you. This is really helpful and good to know.  I'm hoping I can just 
> install Word, and not have to deal with the whole office suite, but I am not 
> sure about that yet.
> 
> Just curious, is there anyone on list who has experience with both using Word 
> for the Mac, and running Word in Windows using Fusion?  Which gives the 
> better experience in Word?  That's obviously another option.  I have no 
> interest in polluting my Mac by putting Windows on it, but if there is a good 
> reason to, I would consider it.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Apr 8, 2017, at 4:42 PM, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Donna,
>> 
>> I have certainly used Word 2016 on the Macintosh with no major issues. I 
>> have not tried anything complex however.  Office 2016 has both Macintosh 
>> style menus and also a ribbon, I believe there are more options embedded in 
>> the ribbon, though the ribbon is not as keyboard interactive as it is on 
>> Windows. You have to interact with the ribbon, select the category from the 
>> top row, then move down and interact one more time to get to all the 
>> controls there. I expect that one could use the item chooser in two quickly 
>> get to a ribbon item, but I have only tried that in Outlook where even in my 
>> 2016 15 inch Mac Book Pro I escape out of the item chooser before it brings 
>> up a list of items because it is too slow.. (500 messages in inbox)
>> 
>>   
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 8, 2017, at 8:39 AM, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> On a related note, can anyone give me the current status of Office, 
>>> specifically Word, on the Mac?  I'm looking at some contract work that 
>>> would require me to use Word, so trying to figure out whether to do it on a 
>>> PC, or whether I could just use my Mac.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Apr 8, 2017, at 7:31 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 David Diamond mailto:myguidedo...@gmail.com>> 
 wrote:
> MY fault.  I should have looked at the group I was responding too.
> However, I have outlook 2016 on my IPhone and, do find it a lot easier to
> use then the apple mail app.  
 
 I find that it conveniently separates mailing list messages from messages
 addressed directly to me, and it does so automatically. The notifications 
 it
 creates on the lock screen are also useful. I think Microsoft Outlook for 
 iOS
 demonstrates that programmers in Redmond have been paying attention to
 accessibility.
 
 I have it installed on the Mac as well, but I haven't had enough experience
 with that version to comment. Basic accessibility is present, but I don't 
 know
 how good it is or what limitations may exist.
 
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Re: Outlook 2016 or Apple mail

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

Oh and yes the office installer will allow you to install only the programs you 
want.  I don’t know if they sell the programs themselves separately anymore and 
suspect that may not be the most economical solution if available.  Could be 
wrong on that though.

> On Apr 9, 2017, at 8:39 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> Thank you. This is really helpful and good to know.  I'm hoping I can just 
> install Word, and not have to deal with the whole office suite, but I am not 
> sure about that yet.
> 
> Just curious, is there anyone on list who has experience with both using Word 
> for the Mac, and running Word in Windows using Fusion?  Which gives the 
> better experience in Word?  That's obviously another option.  I have no 
> interest in polluting my Mac by putting Windows on it, but if there is a good 
> reason to, I would consider it.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Apr 8, 2017, at 4:42 PM, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Donna,
>> 
>> I have certainly used Word 2016 on the Macintosh with no major issues. I 
>> have not tried anything complex however.  Office 2016 has both Macintosh 
>> style menus and also a ribbon, I believe there are more options embedded in 
>> the ribbon, though the ribbon is not as keyboard interactive as it is on 
>> Windows. You have to interact with the ribbon, select the category from the 
>> top row, then move down and interact one more time to get to all the 
>> controls there. I expect that one could use the item chooser in two quickly 
>> get to a ribbon item, but I have only tried that in Outlook where even in my 
>> 2016 15 inch Mac Book Pro I escape out of the item chooser before it brings 
>> up a list of items because it is too slow.. (500 messages in inbox)
>> 
>>   
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 8, 2017, at 8:39 AM, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> On a related note, can anyone give me the current status of Office, 
>>> specifically Word, on the Mac?  I'm looking at some contract work that 
>>> would require me to use Word, so trying to figure out whether to do it on a 
>>> PC, or whether I could just use my Mac.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Apr 8, 2017, at 7:31 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 David Diamond mailto:myguidedo...@gmail.com>> 
 wrote:
> MY fault.  I should have looked at the group I was responding too.
> However, I have outlook 2016 on my IPhone and, do find it a lot easier to
> use then the apple mail app.  
 
 I find that it conveniently separates mailing list messages from messages
 addressed directly to me, and it does so automatically. The notifications 
 it
 creates on the lock screen are also useful. I think Microsoft Outlook for 
 iOS
 demonstrates that programmers in Redmond have been paying attention to
 accessibility.
 
 I have it installed on the Mac as well, but I haven't had enough experience
 with that version to comment. Basic accessibility is present, but I don't 
 know
 how good it is or what limitations may exist.
 
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Re: Outlook 2016 or Apple mail

[Kliphton Miller]

I have never used word on the Mac,  I really have no need since text edit does 
what I want it too.  As it comes to outlook and apple mail?  I have to give the 
thumbs up to apple mail, it organizes by thread, gives you a unified in box, 
and I love the jump to favorites feature on the Mac, wish there was a way to do 
this on phone!lol. I used the office suite on windows from 2005, until  2013.  
I got my first Mac in 2011, but ran windows in fusion for 2 years.  Once I 
realized that text edit, and sometimes pages could do what I needed it to do, I 
dumped windows.  I love outlook for windows, but hate it on the Mac.  If I were 
to pick, for Mac anyway, apple mail would be it, no question!
w
> On Apr 9, 2017, at 10:45 AM, Larry Thacker Jr.  
> wrote:
> 
> I use Word on the Mac just because I’m more familiar with it, having used it 
> on Windows for nearly 20 years.  You have to make some adjustments for apple 
> keystrokes, but it is usable.  Item chooser is a good way to get to the 
> ribbon controls.  Some of them you work with by VO-shift-M and other’s you 
> just have to interact with, but hints do say when you need the extra step.  
> One extremely annoying problem I had was that when switching to and from the 
> app or sometimes even using functions within the app, the document would jump 
> back up to the top.  I finally discovered that Word is best used with cursor 
> tracking turned off.  The down side is that sometimes VO will not be where 
> you want it for context related options like correcting spelling or grammar, 
> but you can use the VO to Keyboard focus hotkey, which I still forget the 
> sequence for, to get it in sync or briefly turn cursor tracking back on.  I 
> tried setting up an activity to turn it off when in word, but it caused my 
> computer to hang when waking up from sleep.  It’s disconcerting when some 
> things don’t work as expected because tracking is off, but it beats running 
> Windows.
> 
> To the original question, I can’t compare apples to apples (forgive the bad 
> pun) since I never installed the Mac version of Outlook, but that one will 
> come down to personal preference provided accessibility remains constant.  
> Outlook is the king of ways to organize and flag your mail.  At work where 
> I’m forced to used Windows, I employ these features to manage my inbox as a 
> to-do list so that I don’t have to flip to different screens to manage my 
> day.  Mac Mail can’t touch that.  However, overall I prefer Mac mail at home 
> for it’s unified inbox since I have multiple email accounts.  A combination 
> of reminders and a service called followupthen.com  
> keeps my home life on task.
> 
>> On Apr 9, 2017, at 8:39 AM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi John,
>> 
>> Thank you. This is really helpful and good to know.  I'm hoping I can just 
>> install Word, and not have to deal with the whole office suite, but I am not 
>> sure about that yet.
>> 
>> Just curious, is there anyone on list who has experience with both using 
>> Word for the Mac, and running Word in Windows using Fusion?  Which gives the 
>> better experience in Word?  That's obviously another option.  I have no 
>> interest in polluting my Mac by putting Windows on it, but if there is a 
>> good reason to, I would consider it.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Apr 8, 2017, at 4:42 PM, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Donna,
>>> 
>>> I have certainly used Word 2016 on the Macintosh with no major issues. I 
>>> have not tried anything complex however.  Office 2016 has both Macintosh 
>>> style menus and also a ribbon, I believe there are more options embedded in 
>>> the ribbon, though the ribbon is not as keyboard interactive as it is on 
>>> Windows. You have to interact with the ribbon, select the category from the 
>>> top row, then move down and interact one more time to get to all the 
>>> controls there. I expect that one could use the item chooser in two quickly 
>>> get to a ribbon item, but I have only tried that in Outlook where even in 
>>> my 2016 15 inch Mac Book Pro I escape out of the item chooser before it 
>>> brings up a list of items because it is too slow.. (500 messages in inbox)
>>> 
>>>   
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 8, 2017, at 8:39 AM, Donna Goodin >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 On a related note, can anyone give me the current status of Office, 
 specifically Word, on the Mac?  I'm looking at some contract work that 
 would require me to use Word, so trying to figure out whether to do it on 
 a PC, or whether I could just use my Mac.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Apr 8, 2017, at 7:31 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> David Diamond mailto:myguidedo...@gmail.com>> 
> wrote:
>> MY fault.  I should have looked at the 

Re: Can I get my mackbook to be a little more patience when waiting for a command

[Jonathan Cohn]

I have only experienced this when a new window is created and focus changes to 
it. Were you giving vo-M as an example multi-step command, or was that the 
specific command you issued? Also, what application were you in while doing 
this? Generally, I have seen no place to adjust timeouts in the VoiceOVer 
settings or VoiceOver utility. 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Apr 9, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Andy  wrote:
> 
> Hi all.
>  
> I've purchased the book  Janet Ingber - Everything You Need to Know to 
> Use the Mac and this is in txt format on my computer and JAWS is reading out 
> the chapters for me.
>  
> I'm at a section titled Configuring Your Mac to Work Well with VoiceOver.  
> This highlights several changes that I should make to help using the Mac more 
> fun.
>  
> Trouble is that when I hold down the VO keys and M and then turn to my JAWS 
> computer for the next bit and return, it's too late, my Mac has gone to the 
> desktop, rather than wait for my response.
>  
> Is there a way to ask my Mac to give me a little more time when it's waiting 
> for a command from me?
>  
> Any advice would be very welcome.
>  
> Very best wishes.
>  
> Andy.
> From Scotland with Love.
>  
>  
>  
> 
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Re: Can I get my mackbook to be a little more patience when waiting for a command

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Andy,

Your Mac shouldn’t be going back to the desktop all the time. Where are you 
trying to make the changes? Perhaps you’re touching something such as the 
trackpad without realising it.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 9 Apr 2017, at 15:11, Andy  wrote:
> 
> Hi all.
>  
> I've purchased the book  Janet Ingber - Everything You Need to Know to 
> Use the Mac and this is in txt format on my computer and JAWS is reading out 
> the chapters for me.
>  
> I'm at a section titled Configuring Your Mac to Work Well with VoiceOver.  
> This highlights several changes that I should make to help using the Mac more 
> fun.
>  
> Trouble is that when I hold down the VO keys and M and then turn to my JAWS 
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Re: Silently toggle voiceover

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hmm, Could this be done with Audio Hijack or Sound Flower? Basically have one 
of those apps steal all sound and route it to /dev/null? I guess another 
possible solution would be to create another sound output device controller and 
go into VoiceOver Utility and re-route VoiceOver output to that device. This 
would allow other sound output to occur but limit VoiceOver output. I expect 
that if the desire is for editing sound on your Macintosh or giving a that you 
would also want a quick way to route sound to the no sound  device and back to 
default sound device.

Perhaps though I am thinking too much into the problem and all the original 
poster needed was the mute functionality. 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 



> On Apr 9, 2017, at 9:43 AM, Stan ZA  wrote:
> 
> Hi Dan,
> There is one possibility!
> Turn sound down to zero, “function eleven” repeatedly, and then “command 
> five” to toggle speech off.
> “Function ten” can turn “muting on, but this action is also announced.
> Cheers.
> 
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> 
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>> On 09 Apr 2017, at 2:06 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
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>> No unfortunately not.
>> 
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>>> On Apr 8, 2017, at 6:44 PM, -dan d.  wrote:
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>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> Is it possible to toggle vo on and off without the announcement?
>>> 
>>> cXB
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VPN questions

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   The recent discussion about VPN got me interested but I was not 
ready to look into it at the time.


   I know the setup is done in Network prefs but where does one get 
information on VPN servers etc.? Thanks.


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Re: Support for word processor styles in VoiceOver under Mac OS

[Jonathan Cohn]

Can you get the style from the ribbon? We were talking last week about pages 
and it was mentioned that putting a hotspot on the style area could have pages 
speak the style as it gets updated. I would expect that the same could be done 
in Word, though I don't have my system around to test my theory.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 



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Re: VPN questions

[Eric Oyen]

well,
depending on whether you use a free or paid service will make a difference in 
both service quality and setup. I use a paid service myself. It's $7 a month 
and is fairly reliable. I have tried some free services, but they are mostly 
hit and miss and are not always as secure. the service I use is located here: 
www.privateinternetaccess.com and they have both client software or you can 
setup manually. Unfortunately, their client software for the mac is not 
accessible, so I use a manual setup in the preferences pane. It works 
reasonably well. I have also done the manual setup in windows 7.  This has 
allowed me to be able to have dropbox and a few other services when I am behind 
a firewall (like over at Voc rehab) THeir IT folks have gotten on my case more 
than once, until I pointed out to them that their own policy does not forbid 
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unprotected on their networks).  I even had one of them try to break into my 
machine (at my request) and they found it well nigh impossible. I had the 
firewall on that win 7 box setup so that only traffic on the VPN was allowed in 
or out and everything else got dropped. That took a lot of heavy customization 
on my part to make it work.

so, if you want to run a VPN, which these days is pretty much going to be a 
must now that ISP's aren't required to keep your info private, it is highly 
recommended.. btw, a lot of the free vpn services are not all that bandwidth 
friendly. thats why I use the service I do. they can support up to 20 
Mbits/sec. for what I do, thats a must have.

-eric

On Apr 9, 2017, at 9:17 AM, E.T. wrote:

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> look into it at the time.
> 
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> information on VPN servers etc.? Thanks.
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Emergency SOS

[E.T.]

   Is this still planned for the US under iOS 10?

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Re: VPN questions

[Jonathan Cohn]

Eric,

I just want to correct one thing. The elimination of the ISP can't collect 
traffic rule here in the US essentially does not change anything. Congress can 
not actually shutdown entire rules without Agency changes unless they are brand 
new rules. The privacy rules were I believe supposed to go into effect in June, 
and don't forget even if those rules had gone into effect Google would still be 
collecting and selling your data. In fact, be wary of any free or very 
inexpensive internet based service, software does not just get created out of 
thin air, companies pay good money for developers, and disk space costs 
something too. 

In fact one reason, congress did not like the new FCC rules was that they only 
provided a that no equivalent protections of privacy could be leveraged by the 
FCC over search engines, since the FCC only regulates the pipes and the FTC 
would regulate other internet services.

Please forgive any specific inaccuracies in this post, I am going off of 
materials I read in tidbits.com and severalpodcasts that I listened to over a 
week ago.
 
Best wishes,

Jonathan



> On Apr 9, 2017, at 12:31 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> well,
> depending on whether you use a free or paid service will make a difference in 
> both service quality and setup. I use a paid service myself. It's $7 a month 
> and is fairly reliable. I have tried some free services, but they are mostly 
> hit and miss and are not always as secure. the service I use is located here: 
> www.privateinternetaccess.com and they have both client software or you can 
> setup manually. Unfortunately, their cliente for the mac is not accessible, 
> so I use a manual setup in the preferences pane. It works reasonably well. I 
> have also done the manual setup in windows 7.  This has allowed me to be able 
> to have dropbox and a few other services when I am behind a firewall (like 
> over at Voc rehab) THeir IT folks have gotten on my case more than once, 
> until I pointed out to them that their own policy does not forbid the use of 
> a vpn (it does, however, forbid the use of sharing services that are 
> unprotected on their networks).  I even had one of them try to break into my 
> machine (at my request) and they found it well nigh impossible. I had the 
> firewall on that win 7 box setup so that only traffic on the VPN was allowed 
> in or out and everything else got dropped. That took a lot of heavy 
> customization on my part to make it work.
> 
> so, if you want to run a VPN, which these days is pretty much going to be a 
> must now that ISP's aren't required to keep your info private, it is highly 
> recommended.. btw, a lot of the free vpn services are not all that bandwidth 
> friendly. thats why I use the service I do. they can support up to 20 
> Mbits/sec. for what I do, thats a must have.
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Apr 9, 2017, at 9:17 AM, E.T. wrote:
> 
>>  The recent discussion about VPN got me interested but I was not ready to 
>> look into it at the time.
>> 
>>  I know the setup is done in Network prefs but where does one get 
>> information on VPN servers etc.? Thanks.
>> 
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Re: Emergency SOS

[Jonathan Cohn]

Not sure exactly what you are talking about. IOS 9 and 10 do have government 
alerts for tornado and amber alerts, along with Presidential alerts.

But I believe you might be talking the other direction something like the 
petronas app?
Jonathan Cohn



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>   Is this still planned for the US under iOS 10?
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Re: Emergency SOS

[E.T.]

   No. 10.2 introduced this feature in India and perhaps other regions. 
Press the sleep/wake button 5 times and you get connected to 9-1-1 even 
if the phone is locked. I very much want this.


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On 4/9/2017 10:00 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

Not sure exactly what you are talking about. IOS 9 and 10 do have
government alerts for tornado and amber alerts, along with Presidential
alerts.

But I believe you might be talking the other direction something like
the petronas app?
Jonathan Cohn




On Apr 9, 2017, at 12:44 PM, E.T. mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:

  Is this still planned for the US under iOS 10?

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Jaws very choppy in VMWare fusion

[Eric Brinkman]

Hello all,

I've always been disappointed by how choppy and breaky Jaws is when
running in VMWare fusion.  I just upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows
10 and Jaws is still choppy.  I will be reading a line and Jaws will
suddenly stop, sometimes with a bit of a stutter, and will resume but
miss a few words.  Do I need to switch to Bootcamp or can anything
else be done?

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Outlook 2016 or Apple mail

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Larry,

Thanks for all this.  I'm not a huge Outlook fan, so would probably just 
install Word. I'll keep in  mind what you said about turning off cursor 
tracking - that's a good thing to know up front.  Again, thanks.
Donna
> On Apr 9, 2017, at 9:45 AM, Larry Thacker Jr.  
> wrote:
> 
> I use Word on the Mac just because I’m more familiar with it, having used it 
> on Windows for nearly 20 years.  You have to make some adjustments for apple 
> keystrokes, but it is usable.  Item chooser is a good way to get to the 
> ribbon controls.  Some of them you work with by VO-shift-M and other’s you 
> just have to interact with, but hints do say when you need the extra step.  
> One extremely annoying problem I had was that when switching to and from the 
> app or sometimes even using functions within the app, the document would jump 
> back up to the top.  I finally discovered that Word is best used with cursor 
> tracking turned off.  The down side is that sometimes VO will not be where 
> you want it for context related options like correcting spelling or grammar, 
> but you can use the VO to Keyboard focus hotkey, which I still forget the 
> sequence for, to get it in sync or briefly turn cursor tracking back on.  I 
> tried setting up an activity to turn it off when in word, but it caused my 
> computer to hang when waking up from sleep.  It’s disconcerting when some 
> things don’t work as expected because tracking is off, but it beats running 
> Windows.
> 
> To the original question, I can’t compare apples to apples (forgive the bad 
> pun) since I never installed the Mac version of Outlook, but that one will 
> come down to personal preference provided accessibility remains constant.  
> Outlook is the king of ways to organize and flag your mail.  At work where 
> I’m forced to used Windows, I employ these features to manage my inbox as a 
> to-do list so that I don’t have to flip to different screens to manage my 
> day.  Mac Mail can’t touch that.  However, overall I prefer Mac mail at home 
> for it’s unified inbox since I have multiple email accounts.  A combination 
> of reminders and a service called followupthen.com  
> keeps my home life on task.
> 
>> On Apr 9, 2017, at 8:39 AM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi John,
>> 
>> Thank you. This is really helpful and good to know.  I'm hoping I can just 
>> install Word, and not have to deal with the whole office suite, but I am not 
>> sure about that yet.
>> 
>> Just curious, is there anyone on list who has experience with both using 
>> Word for the Mac, and running Word in Windows using Fusion?  Which gives the 
>> better experience in Word?  That's obviously another option.  I have no 
>> interest in polluting my Mac by putting Windows on it, but if there is a 
>> good reason to, I would consider it.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Apr 8, 2017, at 4:42 PM, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Donna,
>>> 
>>> I have certainly used Word 2016 on the Macintosh with no major issues. I 
>>> have not tried anything complex however.  Office 2016 has both Macintosh 
>>> style menus and also a ribbon, I believe there are more options embedded in 
>>> the ribbon, though the ribbon is not as keyboard interactive as it is on 
>>> Windows. You have to interact with the ribbon, select the category from the 
>>> top row, then move down and interact one more time to get to all the 
>>> controls there. I expect that one could use the item chooser in two quickly 
>>> get to a ribbon item, but I have only tried that in Outlook where even in 
>>> my 2016 15 inch Mac Book Pro I escape out of the item chooser before it 
>>> brings up a list of items because it is too slow.. (500 messages in inbox)
>>> 
>>>   
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 8, 2017, at 8:39 AM, Donna Goodin >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 On a related note, can anyone give me the current status of Office, 
 specifically Word, on the Mac?  I'm looking at some contract work that 
 would require me to use Word, so trying to figure out whether to do it on 
 a PC, or whether I could just use my Mac.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Apr 8, 2017, at 7:31 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> David Diamond mailto:myguidedo...@gmail.com>> 
> wrote:
>> MY fault.  I should have looked at the group I was responding too.
>> However, I have outlook 2016 on my IPhone and, do find it a lot easier to
>> use then the apple mail app.  
> 
> I find that it conveniently separates mailing list messages from messages
> addressed directly to me, and it does so automatically. The notifications 
> it
> creates on the lock screen are also useful. I think Microsoft Outlook for 
> iOS
> demonstrates that programmers in Redmond have been pa

Here is an Informative Article on How To Extend Battery Life on iOS and Android Devices

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

The following article, the link to which is located at the end of the text,
is an Informative piece on how to extend battery life on iOS and Android
devices.

Enjoy,

Mark

How I added four hours of battery life to my smartphone every day for free
By Jennifer Jolly, Special for USA TODAY, April 9, 2017 

Phone constantly dying? Here's how to get back battery life

Columnist Jennifer Jolly describes how to check if emails and apps are
draining your smartphone way too fast and what measures won't help. Jennifer
Jolly for USA TODAY

I've had big-time battery drain issues on my last three iPhones. I just
figured it was my fault - maybe I'm too addicted to apps, take too many
photos, or just use my phone too much?

It's an issue I've gone to Apple for help with many times. But the Genius's
- Apple's retail support - were flummoxed, too. After the typical
troubleshooting: Update iOS? Check. Adjust screen brightness? Check. Use
Wi-Fi when possible, turn off location services, and tone down
notifications? Check, check, and check again. Nothing seems to solve the
issues. Maybe I got the phone wet?

It was time to kick things up to the next level. I enlisted experts like
Scotty Loveless, a former Apple Genius and iOS tech who told me this would
not be another, "turn off every useful feature of iOS posts." because those
"really grind my gears." Finally, someone speaking my language!

With that said, here's how I finally beat the worst of my battery battles -
and now you can, too.

#1 Start with your own battery test

Your battery should only be doing its heavy lifting when you're actually
using your iPhone, and the rest of the time it should be relaxing in standby
mode. Sometimes an app prevents your phone from going into standby and
wreaks havoc on your battery life.

Here's how to test it:

Go into Settings > Battery. Scroll all the way down to the bottom and you'll
find two numbers, one for Standby and one for Usage. Your Usage number
should be way, way lower than your Standby number. If it's not, you might
have a problem, and you can confirm it by jotting down your Standby and
Usage times and then clicking the lock button on your phone. Let it sit for
about five minutes and then check the numbers again. If your Standby time is
five minutes higher, you're in good shape, but if your Usage time has bumped
up by a more than a minute it's a sign that your phone isn't resting like it
should.

On Android, you can get the same information under Settings > Device >
Battery (or Settings > Battery if you have a newer version of Android). The
information on this menu is essentially the same as it is on an iPhone, and
lists "Device Idle" which is the same as standby mode.

If you find that your phone isn't "resting" when you're not using it,
there's likely a very clear reason, which brings us to #2.

#2 Don't push me

When an app is doing things even when you're not using it, it could be
malfunctioning, and stuck in an endless loop that's draining all your power.
That's what happened to me, with, of all things, one of the email accounts I
had connected to my phone. Loveless picked up on this right away. "This
happens unbelievably often, especially with Exchange push email," he said.
"I knew when you told me your phone typically dies within six hours of being
off the charger, and the Standby and Usage are the same. Sometimes, these
times are not the same because the 'firmware is bad or corrupted,' but this
time it's because push email is keeping the phone from sleeping properly."

The fix was simple.

Go into Settings > Mail > Accounts> Fetch New Data. Mine was automatically
set to Push. Loveless recommended that I set it turn that off temporarily
and set it to Fetch every 15 to 30 minutes instead. You can also use the
Manual mode, which only scans for new messages when you actually open the
email app.

You can also tweak the push settings to fetch new emails only every hour or
so, which is also a big help. You don't sacrifice timely email updates
either, though you'll still save the most power by disabling push emails
altogether.

On an Android phone, you can manage the push notification settings for any
apps that use it by heading into Settings > Apps and then picking an app and
tweaking its individual settings.

#3 When background apps are the killer

There are other times too when an app is running when you're not using it
and that's called "Background App Refresh." There are lots of reasons apps
update in the background, like the Music app fetching new playlists,
Facebook updating your social feeds, and even Pokemon Go keeping an eye on
your steps so you can hatch eggs. It's all in the name of convenience, but
it might also be leaving you with a dead battery halfway through the
afternoon.

To check out which apps are eating up valuable power in the background go to
Settings > Battery and you'll see a list of the apps taking up your battery
life, with the topmost app being the biggest power hog. If you see an a

Re: VPN questions

[Eric Oyen]

not a problem. there are other reasons to use a VPN. However, 2 things I do 
when using google:
1. I am not signed in
2. I always use a VPN when searching.

Also, of late, I have been having some trust issues with my current ISP. It 
seems that they sent me a notice of copyright infringement about a shared file. 
only problem, I was not sharing anything. So, I had to do a full blown security 
audit of my machines and network. I did, eventually, found where the issue was 
(the Lingsys router I have here had a security vulnerability that couldn't be 
easily closed. As a result, one of my neighbors was using it to share files. 
so, even though I had the thing password protected, it was still using a number 
of items that made breaking the password trivially easy with the right 
software. I finally managed to get a handle on the situation by turning off the 
PIN the device had, turning off SSID broadcast and engaging MAC filtering. I 
still can't completely trust the device, so I use a VPN pretty much all the 
time now.

I am looking to upgrade the hardware though. A kit from Routerboard that I can 
install an image of OpenBSD on would make things a lot better here. THere are 
optional add-ons like WiFi B/G/A/N, a bridged set of LAN ports, an all weather 
housing, etc. Once that is done and installed, I can install the VPN package 
for OpenBSD on there, set it up to handle that and not worry too much. Then, if 
I want to be ultra secure, I would continue to use a VPN tunnel from my 
machine, thus doubling the protection.

Now, as to why I would want to use a VPN for other than just security? It's 
simple. there are some programs hosted on the web that might be regionally 
restricted (like sports events). So, I would want to be able to listen legally 
and not be caught up in a blackout zone. Thus, VPN allows me to place my end 
point elsewhere (like NYC, Sanfransisco, Detroit, Dallas, or even a foreign 
country). A VPN also gets around what my ISP does when I am viewing something 
like Hulu or Netflix (they try to lower the QoS for video streaming on content 
that directly competes with their cable programming).  With a VPN, they can't 
see the type of traffic, so they can't change its priority. They have yet to 
start doing so on encrypted tunnels. Besides, I am paying for a specific level 
of service and I hate it when the ISP decides that my traffic needs to be 
shaped. I don't have video here, so I expect full service. btw, I have already 
filed a number of complaints over this issue with both the FCC and the FTC. 
each time, my service gets maxed out for a few months and then they start the 
games again.

Now, I am paying for 50 megabit/second service here and when the VPN is active, 
I can still get 40 through. Thats not bad, all things considered. Since I 
started using the VPN a year ago, the bandwidth shaping games have pretty much 
stopped. However, lately, I have been catching RST packets being sent from 2 
hops upstream from me. That causes the VPN to drop and I have to reconnect. 
looks like its time to complain again.

anyway, thats a lot of how and why I use one.

Is it more secure? yes.
is it absolutely secure? not a chance! A very determined hacker will still be 
able to break it, but its enormously more difficult. He'll just simply move on 
to an easier target.

-eric

On Apr 9, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

> Eric,
> 
> I just want to correct one thing. The elimination of the ISP can't collect 
> traffic rule here in the US essentially does not change anything. Congress 
> can not actually shutdown entire rules without Agency changes unless they are 
> brand new rules. The privacy rules were I believe supposed to go into effect 
> in June, and don't forget even if those rules had gone into effect Google 
> would still be collecting and selling your data. In fact, be wary of any free 
> or very inexpensive internet based service, software does not just get 
> created out of thin air, companies pay good money for developers, and disk 
> space costs something too. 
> 
> In fact one reason, congress did not like the new FCC rules was that they 
> only provided a that no equivalent protections of privacy could be leveraged 
> by the FCC over search engines, since the FCC only regulates the pipes and 
> the FTC would regulate other internet services.
> 
> Please forgive any specific inaccuracies in this post, I am going off of 
> materials I read in tidbits.com and severalpodcasts that I listened to over a 
> week ago.
>  
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 9, 2017, at 12:31 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> well,
>> depending on whether you use a free or paid service will make a difference 
>> in both service quality and setup. I use a paid service myself. It's $7 a 
>> month and is fairly reliable. I have tried some free services, but they are 
>> mostly hit and miss and are not always as secure. the service I use is 
>> located here: www.privateinternetaccess.com 

Re: Mac want shutdown or restart

[Robert Cole]

Is there a command to show me all the apps that are running in the background?

> On Apr 7, 2017, at 7:18 PM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
> that i did not know.
> thanks a lot.
>> On 8 Apr 2017, at 8:39 am, Matthew Dierckens > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, you can also force a shutdown by pressing control command and the power 
>> button.
>> 
>> God bless.
>> Matthew Dierckens
>> Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
>> Macintosh, IOS  and Windows Trainer
>> JAWS for windows Certified - 2016
>> Canadian Phone: 519-962-9140
>> U.S. phone: 573-401-1018
>> Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com 
>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 18:37, Eric Whitten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> try a hard reboot. Hold down the power button until your mac shuts down. 
>>> And then restart.
 On Apr 7, 2017, at 5:36 PM, Robert Cole >>> > wrote:
 
 Dear list,
 For the last couple of days, my Mac will not shutdown or restart.
 It just says finder has no windows after choosing shutdown or restart from 
 the Apple Menu.
 I have to press and hold the power button.
 any suggestions
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Re: Mac want shutdown or restart

[E.T.]

   Cmd-Option-Ctrl-Power button.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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On 4/9/2017 1:55 PM, Robert Cole wrote:

Is there a command to show me all the apps that are running in the
background?


On Apr 7, 2017, at 7:18 PM, Michael Marshall
mailto:mightymaggie...@gmail.com>> wrote:

that i did not know.
thanks a lot.

On 8 Apr 2017, at 8:39 am, Matthew Dierckens mailto:matt.dierck...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi, you can also force a shutdown by pressing control command and the
power button.

God bless.
Matthew Dierckens
Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
Macintosh, IOS  and Windows Trainer
JAWS for windows Certified - 2016
Canadian Phone: 519-962-9140
U.S. phone: 573-401-1018
Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com 


On Apr 7, 2017, at 18:37, Eric Whitten mailto:whitten.e...@gmail.com>> wrote:

try a hard reboot. Hold down the power button until your mac shuts
down. And then restart.

On Apr 7, 2017, at 5:36 PM, Robert Cole mailto:mr.robertc...@icloud.com>> wrote:

Dear list,
For the last couple of days, my Mac will not shutdown or restart.
It just says finder has no windows after choosing shutdown or
restart from the Apple Menu.
I have to press and hold the power button.
any suggestions
Thanks,
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Re: Jaws very choppy in VMWare fusion

[matthew Dyer]

Hi Erric,

I only have this problem when jaws first loads at the login screen in windows 
10.  I do notes that jaws can be choppy from time to time, but not sure if it 
is from vmware or windows itself.

HTH.


Matthew



On 4/9/17, 2:14 PM, "Eric Brinkman"  wrote:

Hello all,

I've always been disappointed by how choppy and breaky Jaws is when
running in VMWare fusion.  I just upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows
10 and Jaws is still choppy.  I will be reading a line and Jaws will
suddenly stop, sometimes with a bit of a stutter, and will resume but
miss a few words.  Do I need to switch to Bootcamp or can anything
else be done?

Thanks in advance.
Eric

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Feedly as colomns

[Angus MacKinnon]

I have Feedly installed in Safari 10.1 (11603.1.30.0.34) in OS 10.11.6. All I 
seem to see is a list of RSS Feed’s and a Follow button. Can I get the RSS Feed 
I subscribed to in colomn 1, Headline in Colomn 2 and a Preview in Colomn 3? 
For example, BBC World News in colomn 1, The Latest Headline in Colomn 2 and a 
Preview in Colomn 3. If so, How? Thank you. Thank you.

Angus MacKinnon
> On Apr 9, 2017, at 7:51 AM, Larry Thacker Jr.  
> wrote:
> 
> Oh and yes the office installer will allow you to install only the programs 
> you want.  I don’t know if they sell the programs themselves separately 
> anymore and suspect that may not be the most economical solution if 
> available.  Could be wrong on that though.
> 
>> On Apr 9, 2017, at 8:39 AM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi John,
>> 
>> Thank you. This is really helpful and good to know.  I'm hoping I can just 
>> install Word, and not have to deal with the whole office suite, but I am not 
>> sure about that yet.
>> 
>> Just curious, is there anyone on list who has experience with both using 
>> Word for the Mac, and running Word in Windows using Fusion?  Which gives the 
>> better experience in Word?  That's obviously another option.  I have no 
>> interest in polluting my Mac by putting Windows on it, but if there is a 
>> good reason to, I would consider it.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Apr 8, 2017, at 4:42 PM, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Donna,
>>> 
>>> I have certainly used Word 2016 on the Macintosh with no major issues. I 
>>> have not tried anything complex however.  Office 2016 has both Macintosh 
>>> style menus and also a ribbon, I believe there are more options embedded in 
>>> the ribbon, though the ribbon is not as keyboard interactive as it is on 
>>> Windows. You have to interact with the ribbon, select the category from the 
>>> top row, then move down and interact one more time to get to all the 
>>> controls there. I expect that one could use the item chooser in two quickly 
>>> get to a ribbon item, but I have only tried that in Outlook where even in 
>>> my 2016 15 inch Mac Book Pro I escape out of the item chooser before it 
>>> brings up a list of items because it is too slow.. (500 messages in inbox)
>>> 
>>>   
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 8, 2017, at 8:39 AM, Donna Goodin >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 On a related note, can anyone give me the current status of Office, 
 specifically Word, on the Mac?  I'm looking at some contract work that 
 would require me to use Word, so trying to figure out whether to do it on 
 a PC, or whether I could just use my Mac.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Apr 8, 2017, at 7:31 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> David Diamond mailto:myguidedo...@gmail.com>> 
> wrote:
>> MY fault.  I should have looked at the group I was responding too.
>> However, I have outlook 2016 on my IPhone and, do find it a lot easier to
>> use then the apple mail app.  
> 
> I find that it conveniently separates mailing list messages from messages
> addressed directly to me, and it does so automatically. The notifications 
> it
> creates on the lock screen are also useful. I think Microsoft Outlook for 
> iOS
> demonstrates that programmers in Redmond have been paying attention to
> accessibility.
> 
> I have it installed on the Mac as well, but I haven't had enough 
> experience
> with that version to comment. Basic accessibility is present, but I don't 
> know
> how good it is or what limitations may exist.
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Re: Mac want shutdown or restart

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Hello,Here are some options to see what’s running.http://www.macworld.co.uk/feature/mac/how-find-background-tasks-on-mac-3635406/Regards,GenaOn 9 Apr 2017, at 21:55, Robert Cole  wrote:Is there a command to show me all the apps that are running in the background?On Apr 7, 2017, at 7:18 PM, Michael Marshall  wrote:that i did not know.thanks a lot.On 8 Apr 2017, at 8:39 am, Matthew Dierckens  wrote:Hi, you can also force a shutdown by pressing control command and the power button.
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On Apr 7, 2017, at 18:37, Eric Whitten  wrote:try a hard reboot. Hold down the power button until your mac shuts down. And then restart.On Apr 7, 2017, at 5:36 PM, Robert Cole  wrote:Dear list,For the last couple of days, my Mac will not shutdown or restart.It just says finder has no windows after choosing shutdown or restart from the Apple Menu.I have to press and hold the power button.any suggestionsThanks,Rob-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

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Re: VPN questions

[E.T.]

   Interesting discussion. Much food for thought. I will study the VPN 
site you suggested.


   One thing you mentioned to Jonathan was that you disabled SSID in 
your router. How does that affect your Wifi network. Can your devices 
still see the network? I certainly would not mind hiding from the neighbors.


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On 4/9/2017 1:35 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:

not a problem. there are other reasons to use a VPN. However, 2 things I
do when using google:
1. I am not signed in
2. I always use a VPN when searching.

Also, of late, I have been having some trust issues with my current ISP.
It seems that they sent me a notice of copyright infringement about a
shared file. only problem, I was not sharing anything. So, I had to do a
full blown security audit of my machines and network. I did, eventually,
found where the issue was (the Lingsys router I have here had a security
vulnerability that couldn't be easily closed. As a result, one of my
neighbors was using it to share files. so, even though I had the thing
password protected, it was still using a number of items that made
breaking the password trivially easy with the right software. I finally
managed to get a handle on the situation by turning off the PIN the
device had, turning off SSID broadcast and engaging MAC filtering. I
still can't completely trust the device, so I use a VPN pretty much all
the time now.

I am looking to upgrade the hardware though. A kit from Routerboard that
I can install an image of OpenBSD on would make things a lot better
here. THere are optional add-ons like WiFi B/G/A/N, a bridged set of LAN
ports, an all weather housing, etc. Once that is done and installed, I
can install the VPN package for OpenBSD on there, set it up to handle
that and not worry too much. Then, if I want to be ultra secure, I would
continue to use a VPN tunnel from my machine, thus doubling the protection.

Now, as to why I would want to use a VPN for other than just security?
It's simple. there are some programs hosted on the web that might be
regionally restricted (like sports events). So, I would want to be able
to listen legally and not be caught up in a blackout zone. Thus, VPN
allows me to place my end point elsewhere (like NYC, Sanfransisco,
Detroit, Dallas, or even a foreign country). A VPN also gets around what
my ISP does when I am viewing something like Hulu or Netflix (they try
to lower the QoS for video streaming on content that directly competes
with their cable programming).  With a VPN, they can't see the type of
traffic, so they can't change its priority. They have yet to start doing
so on encrypted tunnels. Besides, I am paying for a specific level of
service and I hate it when the ISP decides that my traffic needs to be
shaped. I don't have video here, so I expect full service. btw, I have
already filed a number of complaints over this issue with both the FCC
and the FTC. each time, my service gets maxed out for a few months and
then they start the games again.

Now, I am paying for 50 megabit/second service here and when the VPN is
active, I can still get 40 through. Thats not bad, all things
considered. Since I started using the VPN a year ago, the bandwidth
shaping games have pretty much stopped. However, lately, I have been
catching RST packets being sent from 2 hops upstream from me. That
causes the VPN to drop and I have to reconnect. looks like its time to
complain again.

anyway, thats a lot of how and why I use one.

Is it more secure? yes.
is it absolutely secure? not a chance! A very determined hacker will
still be able to break it, but its enormously more difficult. He'll just
simply move on to an easier target.

-eric

On Apr 9, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:


Eric,

I just want to correct one thing. The elimination of the ISP can't
collect traffic rule here in the US essentially does not change
anything. Congress can not actually shutdown entire rules without
Agency changes unless they are brand new rules. The privacy rules were
I believe supposed to go into effect in June, and don't forget even if
those rules had gone into effect Google would still be collecting and
selling your data. In fact, be wary of any free or very inexpensive
internet based service, software does not just get created out of thin
air, companies pay good money for developers, and disk space costs
something too.

In fact one reason, congress did not like the new FCC rules was that
they only provided a that no equivalent protections of privacy could
be leveraged by the FCC over search engines, since the FCC only
regulates the pipes and the FTC would regulate other internet services.

Please forgive any specific inaccuracies in this post, I am going off
of materials I read in tidbits.com  and
sever

Re: Mac want shutdown or restart

[Robert Cole]

Thanks, I used the
Activity monitor to quit  apps like box, drop box,   And a few more, but the 
system will not shut down.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 9, 2017, at 6:49 PM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Here are some options to see what’s running.
> 
> http://www.macworld.co.uk/feature/mac/how-find-background-tasks-on-mac-3635406/
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gena
>> On 9 Apr 2017, at 21:55, Robert Cole  wrote:
>> 
>> Is there a command to show me all the apps that are running in the 
>> background?
>> 
>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 7:18 PM, Michael Marshall  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> that i did not know.
>>> thanks a lot.
 On 8 Apr 2017, at 8:39 am, Matthew Dierckens  wrote:
 
 Hi, you can also force a shutdown by pressing control command and the 
 power button.
 
 God bless.
 Matthew Dierckens
 Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
 Macintosh, IOS  and Windows Trainer
 JAWS for windows Certified - 2016
 Canadian Phone: 519-962-9140
 U.S. phone: 573-401-1018
 Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com
 
>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 18:37, Eric Whitten  wrote:
>> 
>> try a hard reboot. Hold down the power button until your mac shuts down. 
>> And then restart.
>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 5:36 PM, Robert Cole  wrote:
>> 
>> Dear list,
>> For the last couple of days, my Mac will not shutdown or restart.
>> It just says finder has no windows after choosing shutdown or restart 
>> from the Apple Menu.
>> I have to press and hold the power button.
>> any suggestions
>> Thanks,
>> Rob
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Re: Mac want shutdown or restart

[Robert Cole]

This keystroke 
Freezes the system the same as pressing shut down.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 9, 2017, at 5:15 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Cmd-Option-Ctrl-Power button.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
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> 
>> On 4/9/2017 1:55 PM, Robert Cole wrote:
>> Is there a command to show me all the apps that are running in the
>> background?
>> 
>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 7:18 PM, Michael Marshall
>>> mailto:mightymaggie...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> that i did not know.
>>> thanks a lot.
 On 8 Apr 2017, at 8:39 am, Matthew Dierckens >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi, you can also force a shutdown by pressing control command and the
 power button.
 
 God bless.
 Matthew Dierckens
 Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
 Macintosh, IOS  and Windows Trainer
 JAWS for windows Certified - 2016
 Canadian Phone: 519-962-9140
 U.S. phone: 573-401-1018
 Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com 
 
> On Apr 7, 2017, at 18:37, Eric Whitten  > wrote:
> 
> try a hard reboot. Hold down the power button until your mac shuts
> down. And then restart.
>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 5:36 PM, Robert Cole > > wrote:
>> 
>> Dear list,
>> For the last couple of days, my Mac will not shutdown or restart.
>> It just says finder has no windows after choosing shutdown or
>> restart from the Apple Menu.
>> I have to press and hold the power button.
>> any suggestions
>> Thanks,
>> Rob
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Re: VPN questions

[Scott Granados]

So if you hide from your neighbors then your router can’t avoid your networks 
around you’s interference nearly as effectively.

If everybody is broadcasting then there are scheduling systems that kick in 
that avoid collisions. If every body isn’t then you’ll slam in to their network 
traffic and it can degrade performance.


> On Apr 9, 2017, at 6:54 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Interesting discussion. Much food for thought. I will study the VPN site 
> you suggested.
> 
>   One thing you mentioned to Jonathan was that you disabled SSID in your 
> router. How does that affect your Wifi network. Can your devices still see 
> the network? I certainly would not mind hiding from the neighbors.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 4/9/2017 1:35 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>> not a problem. there are other reasons to use a VPN. However, 2 things I
>> do when using google:
>> 1. I am not signed in
>> 2. I always use a VPN when searching.
>> 
>> Also, of late, I have been having some trust issues with my current ISP.
>> It seems that they sent me a notice of copyright infringement about a
>> shared file. only problem, I was not sharing anything. So, I had to do a
>> full blown security audit of my machines and network. I did, eventually,
>> found where the issue was (the Lingsys router I have here had a security
>> vulnerability that couldn't be easily closed. As a result, one of my
>> neighbors was using it to share files. so, even though I had the thing
>> password protected, it was still using a number of items that made
>> breaking the password trivially easy with the right software. I finally
>> managed to get a handle on the situation by turning off the PIN the
>> device had, turning off SSID broadcast and engaging MAC filtering. I
>> still can't completely trust the device, so I use a VPN pretty much all
>> the time now.
>> 
>> I am looking to upgrade the hardware though. A kit from Routerboard that
>> I can install an image of OpenBSD on would make things a lot better
>> here. THere are optional add-ons like WiFi B/G/A/N, a bridged set of LAN
>> ports, an all weather housing, etc. Once that is done and installed, I
>> can install the VPN package for OpenBSD on there, set it up to handle
>> that and not worry too much. Then, if I want to be ultra secure, I would
>> continue to use a VPN tunnel from my machine, thus doubling the protection.
>> 
>> Now, as to why I would want to use a VPN for other than just security?
>> It's simple. there are some programs hosted on the web that might be
>> regionally restricted (like sports events). So, I would want to be able
>> to listen legally and not be caught up in a blackout zone. Thus, VPN
>> allows me to place my end point elsewhere (like NYC, Sanfransisco,
>> Detroit, Dallas, or even a foreign country). A VPN also gets around what
>> my ISP does when I am viewing something like Hulu or Netflix (they try
>> to lower the QoS for video streaming on content that directly competes
>> with their cable programming).  With a VPN, they can't see the type of
>> traffic, so they can't change its priority. They have yet to start doing
>> so on encrypted tunnels. Besides, I am paying for a specific level of
>> service and I hate it when the ISP decides that my traffic needs to be
>> shaped. I don't have video here, so I expect full service. btw, I have
>> already filed a number of complaints over this issue with both the FCC
>> and the FTC. each time, my service gets maxed out for a few months and
>> then they start the games again.
>> 
>> Now, I am paying for 50 megabit/second service here and when the VPN is
>> active, I can still get 40 through. Thats not bad, all things
>> considered. Since I started using the VPN a year ago, the bandwidth
>> shaping games have pretty much stopped. However, lately, I have been
>> catching RST packets being sent from 2 hops upstream from me. That
>> causes the VPN to drop and I have to reconnect. looks like its time to
>> complain again.
>> 
>> anyway, thats a lot of how and why I use one.
>> 
>> Is it more secure? yes.
>> is it absolutely secure? not a chance! A very determined hacker will
>> still be able to break it, but its enormously more difficult. He'll just
>> simply move on to an easier target.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Apr 9, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>> 
>>> Eric,
>>> 
>>> I just want to correct one thing. The elimination of the ISP can't
>>> collect traffic rule here in the US essentially does not change
>>> anything. Congress can not actually shutdown entire rules without
>>> Agency changes unless they are brand new rules. The privacy rules were
>>> I believe supposed to go into effect in June, and don't forget even if
>>> those rules had gone into effect Google would still be collecting and
>>> selling your 

Re: VPN questions

[Scott Granados]

Ok, so you don’t have to go that nuts to secure your WiFi but you’ve found 
something that’s very important to point out.  Dollars to Donuts I’m betting 
you had WPS (WiFi Protected Setup) enabled.  What this does is provides a 
mechanism for machines to join your network either by each end simultaneously 
pressing a button or by the far end client entering a numeric pin.  This 
reduces the requirement to join your. Network from guessing a complex key or 
phrase to guessing 6 digits which is far far easier.  What you should 
definitely do is unless you use this feature you should disable it immediately. 
 Mac Filtering is ok but if I have your key I can still listen to your network 
and glean data.  SSId hiding is bogus and counter productive.  First, with the 
same software whether you broadcast your SSID or not makes no difference 
because I can still pull the hidden SSID information right out of the air.  
Secondly, when your hiding your SSID you’re not broadcasting your availability 
and thus your breaking congestion avoidance mechanisms.  You should broadcast 
your SSID as not broadcasting gains 0 security and adds more issues than it’s 
worth.  The Mac filtering is a good idea but the most important is turn off 
that WPS feature.


> On Apr 9, 2017, at 4:35 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> not a problem. there are other reasons to use a VPN. However, 2 things I do 
> when using google:
> 1. I am not signed in
> 2. I always use a VPN when searching.
> 
> Also, of late, I have been having some trust issues with my current ISP. It 
> seems that they sent me a notice of copyright infringement about a shared 
> file. only problem, I was not sharing anything. So, I had to do a full blown 
> security audit of my machines and network. I did, eventually, found where the 
> issue was (the Lingsys router I have here had a security vulnerability that 
> couldn't be easily closed. As a result, one of my neighbors was using it to 
> share files. so, even though I had the thing password protected, it was still 
> using a number of items that made breaking the password trivially easy with 
> the right software. I finally managed to get a handle on the situation by 
> turning off the PIN the device had, turning off SSID broadcast and engaging 
> MAC filtering. I still can't completely trust the device, so I use a VPN 
> pretty much all the time now.
> 
> I am looking to upgrade the hardware though. A kit from Routerboard that I 
> can install an image of OpenBSD on would make things a lot better here. THere 
> are optional add-ons like WiFi B/G/A/N, a bridged set of LAN ports, an all 
> weather housing, etc. Once that is done and installed, I can install the VPN 
> package for OpenBSD on there, set it up to handle that and not worry too 
> much. Then, if I want to be ultra secure, I would continue to use a VPN 
> tunnel from my machine, thus doubling the protection.
> 
> Now, as to why I would want to use a VPN for other than just security? It's 
> simple. there are some programs hosted on the web that might be regionally 
> restricted (like sports events). So, I would want to be able to listen 
> legally and not be caught up in a blackout zone. Thus, VPN allows me to place 
> my end point elsewhere (like NYC, Sanfransisco, Detroit, Dallas, or even a 
> foreign country). A VPN also gets around what my ISP does when I am viewing 
> something like Hulu or Netflix (they try to lower the QoS for video streaming 
> on content that directly competes with their cable programming).  With a VPN, 
> they can't see the type of traffic, so they can't change its priority. They 
> have yet to start doing so on encrypted tunnels. Besides, I am paying for a 
> specific level of service and I hate it when the ISP decides that my traffic 
> needs to be shaped. I don't have video here, so I expect full service. btw, I 
> have already filed a number of complaints over this issue with both the FCC 
> and the FTC. each time, my service gets maxed out for a few months and then 
> they start the games again.
> 
> Now, I am paying for 50 megabit/second service here and when the VPN is 
> active, I can still get 40 through. Thats not bad, all things considered. 
> Since I started using the VPN a year ago, the bandwidth shaping games have 
> pretty much stopped. However, lately, I have been catching RST packets being 
> sent from 2 hops upstream from me. That causes the VPN to drop and I have to 
> reconnect. looks like its time to complain again.
> 
> anyway, thats a lot of how and why I use one.
> 
> Is it more secure? yes.
> is it absolutely secure? not a chance! A very determined hacker will still be 
> able to break it, but its enormously more difficult. He'll just simply move 
> on to an easier target.
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Apr 9, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
> 
>> Eric,
>> 
>> I just want to correct one thing. The elimination of the ISP can't collect 
>> traffic rule here in the US essentially does not change anything. Congress 
>> can

Re: Jaws very choppy in VMWare fusion

[Scott Granados]

Are you using an SSD or rotating disk?  Also, how many cores do you have and 
how many cores and memory do you have dedicated to the VM?  Most people don’t 
edit the default settings and they are under powered.

> On Apr 9, 2017, at 2:14 PM, Eric Brinkman  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I've always been disappointed by how choppy and breaky Jaws is when
> running in VMWare fusion.  I just upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows
> 10 and Jaws is still choppy.  I will be reading a line and Jaws will
> suddenly stop, sometimes with a bit of a stutter, and will resume but
> miss a few words.  Do I need to switch to Bootcamp or can anything
> else be done?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> Eric
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[Scott Granados]

The watch has this and I know it’s showed up in the betas before but I haven’t 
seen it recently you’re right.

> On Apr 9, 2017, at 1:08 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   No. 10.2 introduced this feature in India and perhaps other regions. Press 
> the sleep/wake button 5 times and you get connected to 9-1-1 even if the 
> phone is locked. I very much want this.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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> On 4/9/2017 10:00 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>> Not sure exactly what you are talking about. IOS 9 and 10 do have
>> government alerts for tornado and amber alerts, along with Presidential
>> alerts.
>> 
>> But I believe you might be talking the other direction something like
>> the petronas app?
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 9, 2017, at 12:44 PM, E.T. >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Is this still planned for the US under iOS 10?
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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Re: Jaws very choppy in VMWare fusion

[Eric Brinkman]

I am using an SSD and have eight cores. Four are dedicated to the virtual 
machine. Fusion does not recommend I dedicate any more than four cores to 
Windows.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 9, 2017, at 8:37 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Are you using an SSD or rotating disk?  Also, how many cores do you have and 
> how many cores and memory do you have dedicated to the VM?  Most people don’t 
> edit the default settings and they are under powered.
> 
>> On Apr 9, 2017, at 2:14 PM, Eric Brinkman  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I've always been disappointed by how choppy and breaky Jaws is when
>> running in VMWare fusion.  I just upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows
>> 10 and Jaws is still choppy.  I will be reading a line and Jaws will
>> suddenly stop, sometimes with a bit of a stutter, and will resume but
>> miss a few words.  Do I need to switch to Bootcamp or can anything
>> else be done?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Eric
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Re: Jaws very choppy in VMWare fusion

[Scott Granados]

How much memory?

This sounds like a good config so far.  I asked Eric because usually when I 
check these people have 1 core dedicated with 512 megs of memory.  Clearly 
you’re a more power user than that and have more experience.

SSD is also a good thing to check off that you’ve done.  I get 0 chop with 4 
cores, SSD and 4 GB of assigned memory.

I’m also using eloquence for the speech engine.  Both win 7 and 10 perform well.

Make sure you’ve upgraded the hardware drivers for VM fusion as well for each 
VM.

> On Apr 9, 2017, at 8:48 PM, Eric Brinkman  wrote:
> 
> I am using an SSD and have eight cores. Four are dedicated to the virtual 
> machine. Fusion does not recommend I dedicate any more than four cores to 
> Windows.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 9, 2017, at 8:37 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Are you using an SSD or rotating disk?  Also, how many cores do you have and 
>> how many cores and memory do you have dedicated to the VM?  Most people 
>> don’t edit the default settings and they are under powered.
>> 
>>> On Apr 9, 2017, at 2:14 PM, Eric Brinkman  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> I've always been disappointed by how choppy and breaky Jaws is when
>>> running in VMWare fusion.  I just upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows
>>> 10 and Jaws is still choppy.  I will be reading a line and Jaws will
>>> suddenly stop, sometimes with a bit of a stutter, and will resume but
>>> miss a few words.  Do I need to switch to Bootcamp or can anything
>>> else be done?
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> Eric
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Re: Jaws very choppy in VMWare fusion

[Eric Brinkman]

I have 16 gigs of RAM and have dedicated 12 to the virtual machine. I 
previously only had eight allocated to the VM but thought allocating more might 
fix this. Clearly it's not an allocation issue. How do I go about updating the 
drivers? Might this problem have to do with me having upgraded from Windows 7 
to Windows 10 within the VM? Once I did that, I edited the settings in fusion 
setting my machine from Windows 7 to Windows 10. I am tempted to just back up 
my Mac, wipe it, then start from scratch but I am trying to avoid doing that.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 9, 2017, at 8:52 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> How much memory?
> 
> This sounds like a good config so far.  I asked Eric because usually when I 
> check these people have 1 core dedicated with 512 megs of memory.  Clearly 
> you’re a more power user than that and have more experience.
> 
> SSD is also a good thing to check off that you’ve done.  I get 0 chop with 4 
> cores, SSD and 4 GB of assigned memory.
> 
> I’m also using eloquence for the speech engine.  Both win 7 and 10 perform 
> well.
> 
> Make sure you’ve upgraded the hardware drivers for VM fusion as well for each 
> VM.
> 
>> On Apr 9, 2017, at 8:48 PM, Eric Brinkman  wrote:
>> 
>> I am using an SSD and have eight cores. Four are dedicated to the virtual 
>> machine. Fusion does not recommend I dedicate any more than four cores to 
>> Windows.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 9, 2017, at 8:37 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are you using an SSD or rotating disk?  Also, how many cores do you have 
>>> and how many cores and memory do you have dedicated to the VM?  Most people 
>>> don’t edit the default settings and they are under powered.
>>> 
 On Apr 9, 2017, at 2:14 PM, Eric Brinkman  wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 
 I've always been disappointed by how choppy and breaky Jaws is when
 running in VMWare fusion.  I just upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows
 10 and Jaws is still choppy.  I will be reading a line and Jaws will
 suddenly stop, sometimes with a bit of a stutter, and will resume but
 miss a few words.  Do I need to switch to Bootcamp or can anything
 else be done?
 
 Thanks in advance.
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Re: Jaws very choppy in VMWare fusion

[Scott Granados]

You can look at the application settings I believe it is which gives you the 
option to upgrade the VM.  It will tell you whether it’s necessary or not.

Another thing to try is uninstalling vmtools and reinstalling since that’s 
where the video intercept and other support takes place.

Honestly though, something sounds out of place because you should not have chop 
with this configuration.

Another thing to do is run the reclaim space option so it packs up your VM file 
and compacts it for more efficiency.

Honestly though, I’m not sure your problem because it sounds like it should be 
working very well with the configurations you’re using.

> On Apr 9, 2017, at 9:01 PM, Eric Brinkman  wrote:
> 
> I have 16 gigs of RAM and have dedicated 12 to the virtual machine. I 
> previously only had eight allocated to the VM but thought allocating more 
> might fix this. Clearly it's not an allocation issue. How do I go about 
> updating the drivers? Might this problem have to do with me having upgraded 
> from Windows 7 to Windows 10 within the VM? Once I did that, I edited the 
> settings in fusion setting my machine from Windows 7 to Windows 10. I am 
> tempted to just back up my Mac, wipe it, then start from scratch but I am 
> trying to avoid doing that.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 9, 2017, at 8:52 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> How much memory?
>> 
>> This sounds like a good config so far.  I asked Eric because usually when I 
>> check these people have 1 core dedicated with 512 megs of memory.  Clearly 
>> you’re a more power user than that and have more experience.
>> 
>> SSD is also a good thing to check off that you’ve done.  I get 0 chop with 4 
>> cores, SSD and 4 GB of assigned memory.
>> 
>> I’m also using eloquence for the speech engine.  Both win 7 and 10 perform 
>> well.
>> 
>> Make sure you’ve upgraded the hardware drivers for VM fusion as well for 
>> each VM.
>> 
>>> On Apr 9, 2017, at 8:48 PM, Eric Brinkman  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am using an SSD and have eight cores. Four are dedicated to the virtual 
>>> machine. Fusion does not recommend I dedicate any more than four cores to 
>>> Windows.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Apr 9, 2017, at 8:37 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Are you using an SSD or rotating disk?  Also, how many cores do you have 
 and how many cores and memory do you have dedicated to the VM?  Most 
 people don’t edit the default settings and they are under powered.
 
> On Apr 9, 2017, at 2:14 PM, Eric Brinkman  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I've always been disappointed by how choppy and breaky Jaws is when
> running in VMWare fusion.  I just upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows
> 10 and Jaws is still choppy.  I will be reading a line and Jaws will
> suddenly stop, sometimes with a bit of a stutter, and will resume but
> miss a few words.  Do I need to switch to Bootcamp or can anything
> else be done?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> Eric
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Re: VPN questions

[Eric Oyen]

well, when I turned off SSID broadcast, it was a little harder to get new 
devices to connect. basically, it takes inputting the SSID and other 
particulars manually. once connected, there is no trouble.

-eric

On Apr 9, 2017, at 3:54 PM, E.T. wrote:

>   Interesting discussion. Much food for thought. I will study the VPN site 
> you suggested.
> 
>   One thing you mentioned to Jonathan was that you disabled SSID in your 
> router. How does that affect your Wifi network. Can your devices still see 
> the network? I certainly would not mind hiding from the neighbors.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 4/9/2017 1:35 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>> not a problem. there are other reasons to use a VPN. However, 2 things I
>> do when using google:
>> 1. I am not signed in
>> 2. I always use a VPN when searching.
>> 
>> Also, of late, I have been having some trust issues with my current ISP.
>> It seems that they sent me a notice of copyright infringement about a
>> shared file. only problem, I was not sharing anything. So, I had to do a
>> full blown security audit of my machines and network. I did, eventually,
>> found where the issue was (the Lingsys router I have here had a security
>> vulnerability that couldn't be easily closed. As a result, one of my
>> neighbors was using it to share files. so, even though I had the thing
>> password protected, it was still using a number of items that made
>> breaking the password trivially easy with the right software. I finally
>> managed to get a handle on the situation by turning off the PIN the
>> device had, turning off SSID broadcast and engaging MAC filtering. I
>> still can't completely trust the device, so I use a VPN pretty much all
>> the time now.
>> 
>> I am looking to upgrade the hardware though. A kit from Routerboard that
>> I can install an image of OpenBSD on would make things a lot better
>> here. THere are optional add-ons like WiFi B/G/A/N, a bridged set of LAN
>> ports, an all weather housing, etc. Once that is done and installed, I
>> can install the VPN package for OpenBSD on there, set it up to handle
>> that and not worry too much. Then, if I want to be ultra secure, I would
>> continue to use a VPN tunnel from my machine, thus doubling the protection.
>> 
>> Now, as to why I would want to use a VPN for other than just security?
>> It's simple. there are some programs hosted on the web that might be
>> regionally restricted (like sports events). So, I would want to be able
>> to listen legally and not be caught up in a blackout zone. Thus, VPN
>> allows me to place my end point elsewhere (like NYC, Sanfransisco,
>> Detroit, Dallas, or even a foreign country). A VPN also gets around what
>> my ISP does when I am viewing something like Hulu or Netflix (they try
>> to lower the QoS for video streaming on content that directly competes
>> with their cable programming).  With a VPN, they can't see the type of
>> traffic, so they can't change its priority. They have yet to start doing
>> so on encrypted tunnels. Besides, I am paying for a specific level of
>> service and I hate it when the ISP decides that my traffic needs to be
>> shaped. I don't have video here, so I expect full service. btw, I have
>> already filed a number of complaints over this issue with both the FCC
>> and the FTC. each time, my service gets maxed out for a few months and
>> then they start the games again.
>> 
>> Now, I am paying for 50 megabit/second service here and when the VPN is
>> active, I can still get 40 through. Thats not bad, all things
>> considered. Since I started using the VPN a year ago, the bandwidth
>> shaping games have pretty much stopped. However, lately, I have been
>> catching RST packets being sent from 2 hops upstream from me. That
>> causes the VPN to drop and I have to reconnect. looks like its time to
>> complain again.
>> 
>> anyway, thats a lot of how and why I use one.
>> 
>> Is it more secure? yes.
>> is it absolutely secure? not a chance! A very determined hacker will
>> still be able to break it, but its enormously more difficult. He'll just
>> simply move on to an easier target.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Apr 9, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>> 
>>> Eric,
>>> 
>>> I just want to correct one thing. The elimination of the ISP can't
>>> collect traffic rule here in the US essentially does not change
>>> anything. Congress can not actually shutdown entire rules without
>>> Agency changes unless they are brand new rules. The privacy rules were
>>> I believe supposed to go into effect in June, and don't forget even if
>>> those rules had gone into effect Google would still be collecting and
>>> selling your data. In fact, be wary of any free or very inexpensive
>>> internet based service, software does not just get created out 

Re: VPN questions

[Scott Granados]

That’s not my point though.  My point is even with out putting in your 
particulars I can still pull that information out of the air with out having to 
enter anything.  The SSID is also used for avoiding interference.  The networks 
are really indicated with their MAC addresses so your access point broadcasts 
it’s MAC address as part of the packet.  That’s present no matter what.

I guess what I’m saying is not broadcasting the SSID has no security value at 
all and has the effect of causing additional congestion.  Unless of course 
you’re out in a rural area with very few networks.


Over all, turn of that WPS if it’s enabled, the Mac filtering is a good policy 
but turn that SSID back on so you and your neighbor’s routers play nice.  With 
the changes I suggest and if you’re using WPA2PSK with a good key you’ll be 
very secure.

> On Apr 9, 2017, at 10:56 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> well, when I turned off SSID broadcast, it was a little harder to get new 
> devices to connect. basically, it takes inputting the SSID and other 
> particulars manually. once connected, there is no trouble.
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Apr 9, 2017, at 3:54 PM, E.T. wrote:
> 
>>  Interesting discussion. Much food for thought. I will study the VPN site 
>> you suggested.
>> 
>>  One thing you mentioned to Jonathan was that you disabled SSID in your 
>> router. How does that affect your Wifi network. Can your devices still see 
>> the network? I certainly would not mind hiding from the neighbors.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 4/9/2017 1:35 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>>> not a problem. there are other reasons to use a VPN. However, 2 things I
>>> do when using google:
>>> 1. I am not signed in
>>> 2. I always use a VPN when searching.
>>> 
>>> Also, of late, I have been having some trust issues with my current ISP.
>>> It seems that they sent me a notice of copyright infringement about a
>>> shared file. only problem, I was not sharing anything. So, I had to do a
>>> full blown security audit of my machines and network. I did, eventually,
>>> found where the issue was (the Lingsys router I have here had a security
>>> vulnerability that couldn't be easily closed. As a result, one of my
>>> neighbors was using it to share files. so, even though I had the thing
>>> password protected, it was still using a number of items that made
>>> breaking the password trivially easy with the right software. I finally
>>> managed to get a handle on the situation by turning off the PIN the
>>> device had, turning off SSID broadcast and engaging MAC filtering. I
>>> still can't completely trust the device, so I use a VPN pretty much all
>>> the time now.
>>> 
>>> I am looking to upgrade the hardware though. A kit from Routerboard that
>>> I can install an image of OpenBSD on would make things a lot better
>>> here. THere are optional add-ons like WiFi B/G/A/N, a bridged set of LAN
>>> ports, an all weather housing, etc. Once that is done and installed, I
>>> can install the VPN package for OpenBSD on there, set it up to handle
>>> that and not worry too much. Then, if I want to be ultra secure, I would
>>> continue to use a VPN tunnel from my machine, thus doubling the protection.
>>> 
>>> Now, as to why I would want to use a VPN for other than just security?
>>> It's simple. there are some programs hosted on the web that might be
>>> regionally restricted (like sports events). So, I would want to be able
>>> to listen legally and not be caught up in a blackout zone. Thus, VPN
>>> allows me to place my end point elsewhere (like NYC, Sanfransisco,
>>> Detroit, Dallas, or even a foreign country). A VPN also gets around what
>>> my ISP does when I am viewing something like Hulu or Netflix (they try
>>> to lower the QoS for video streaming on content that directly competes
>>> with their cable programming).  With a VPN, they can't see the type of
>>> traffic, so they can't change its priority. They have yet to start doing
>>> so on encrypted tunnels. Besides, I am paying for a specific level of
>>> service and I hate it when the ISP decides that my traffic needs to be
>>> shaped. I don't have video here, so I expect full service. btw, I have
>>> already filed a number of complaints over this issue with both the FCC
>>> and the FTC. each time, my service gets maxed out for a few months and
>>> then they start the games again.
>>> 
>>> Now, I am paying for 50 megabit/second service here and when the VPN is
>>> active, I can still get 40 through. Thats not bad, all things
>>> considered. Since I started using the VPN a year ago, the bandwidth
>>> shaping games have pretty much stopped. However, lately, I have been
>>> catching RST packets being sent from 2 hops upstream from me. That
>>> causes the VPN to drop and I have to reconnect. l

Re: Outlook 2016 or Apple mail

[Maria Chapman]

HI.

how accessible is word for mac nowadays?

Maria

> On 10 Apr 2017, at 12:45 am, Larry Thacker Jr.  
> wrote:
> 
> I use Word on the Mac just because I’m more familiar with it, having used it 
> on Windows for nearly 20 years.  You have to make some adjustments for apple 
> keystrokes, but it is usable.  Item chooser is a good way to get to the 
> ribbon controls.  Some of them you work with by VO-shift-M and other’s you 
> just have to interact with, but hints do say when you need the extra step.  
> One extremely annoying problem I had was that when switching to and from the 
> app or sometimes even using functions within the app, the document would jump 
> back up to the top.  I finally discovered that Word is best used with cursor 
> tracking turned off.  The down side is that sometimes VO will not be where 
> you want it for context related options like correcting spelling or grammar, 
> but you can use the VO to Keyboard focus hotkey, which I still forget the 
> sequence for, to get it in sync or briefly turn cursor tracking back on.  I 
> tried setting up an activity to turn it off when in word, but it caused my 
> computer to hang when waking up from sleep.  It’s disconcerting when some 
> things don’t work as expected because tracking is off, but it beats running 
> Windows.
> 
> To the original question, I can’t compare apples to apples (forgive the bad 
> pun) since I never installed the Mac version of Outlook, but that one will 
> come down to personal preference provided accessibility remains constant.  
> Outlook is the king of ways to organize and flag your mail.  At work where 
> I’m forced to used Windows, I employ these features to manage my inbox as a 
> to-do list so that I don’t have to flip to different screens to manage my 
> day.  Mac Mail can’t touch that.  However, overall I prefer Mac mail at home 
> for it’s unified inbox since I have multiple email accounts.  A combination 
> of reminders and a service called followupthen.com  
> keeps my home life on task.
> 
>> On Apr 9, 2017, at 8:39 AM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi John,
>> 
>> Thank you. This is really helpful and good to know.  I'm hoping I can just 
>> install Word, and not have to deal with the whole office suite, but I am not 
>> sure about that yet.
>> 
>> Just curious, is there anyone on list who has experience with both using 
>> Word for the Mac, and running Word in Windows using Fusion?  Which gives the 
>> better experience in Word?  That's obviously another option.  I have no 
>> interest in polluting my Mac by putting Windows on it, but if there is a 
>> good reason to, I would consider it.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Apr 8, 2017, at 4:42 PM, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Donna,
>>> 
>>> I have certainly used Word 2016 on the Macintosh with no major issues. I 
>>> have not tried anything complex however.  Office 2016 has both Macintosh 
>>> style menus and also a ribbon, I believe there are more options embedded in 
>>> the ribbon, though the ribbon is not as keyboard interactive as it is on 
>>> Windows. You have to interact with the ribbon, select the category from the 
>>> top row, then move down and interact one more time to get to all the 
>>> controls there. I expect that one could use the item chooser in two quickly 
>>> get to a ribbon item, but I have only tried that in Outlook where even in 
>>> my 2016 15 inch Mac Book Pro I escape out of the item chooser before it 
>>> brings up a list of items because it is too slow.. (500 messages in inbox)
>>> 
>>>   
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 8, 2017, at 8:39 AM, Donna Goodin >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 On a related note, can anyone give me the current status of Office, 
 specifically Word, on the Mac?  I'm looking at some contract work that 
 would require me to use Word, so trying to figure out whether to do it on 
 a PC, or whether I could just use my Mac.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Apr 8, 2017, at 7:31 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> David Diamond mailto:myguidedo...@gmail.com>> 
> wrote:
>> MY fault.  I should have looked at the group I was responding too.
>> However, I have outlook 2016 on my IPhone and, do find it a lot easier to
>> use then the apple mail app.  
> 
> I find that it conveniently separates mailing list messages from messages
> addressed directly to me, and it does so automatically. The notifications 
> it
> creates on the lock screen are also useful. I think Microsoft Outlook for 
> iOS
> demonstrates that programmers in Redmond have been paying attention to
> accessibility.
> 
> I have it installed on the Mac as well, but I haven't had enough 
> experience
> with that version to comment. Bas

RE: Outlook 2016 or Apple mail

[Simon Fogarty]

Chris,

 I kno this is late but what I can say is that Outlook is a lot better on the 
IOS platform than it is on the Mac OS  platform,

 I still think Mail is better on the OSX side.

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On Behalf Of Chris G
Sent: Sunday, 9 April 2017 4:48 AM
To: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Outlook 2016 or Apple mail

No worries,
I installed Outlook 2016 on my iPhone as well and was very pleasantly surprised 
on how accessible it is.  I was thinking of installing it on the mac but before 
I did, I wanted to hear others experiences. (smile)




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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Outlook 2016 or Apple mail

David Diamond  wrote:
   MY fault.  I should have looked at the group I was responding too.
   However, I have outlook 2016 on my IPhone and, do find it a lot easier to
   use then the apple mail app.

I find that it conveniently separates mailing list messages from messages 
addressed directly to me, and it does so automatically. The notifications it 
creates on the lock screen are also useful. I think Microsoft Outlook for iOS 
demonstrates that programmers in Redmond have been paying attention to 
accessibility.

I have it installed on the Mac as well, but I haven't had enough experience 
with that version to comment. Basic accessibility is present, but I don't know 
how good it is or what limitations may exist.


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RE: Outlook 2016 or Apple mail

[Simon Fogarty]

This is only if you are running a Skype for business server otherwise office 
2016 doesn’t involve skype for business.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Sunday, 9 April 2017 9:36 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Outlook 2016 or Apple mail

One thing is Outlook 2016 is integrated with the Skype for business package so 
you can see if co-workers are currently on-line without going to a separate 
application. I do prefer the menus in Outlook for Mac over just using the 
ribbon on my Windows side. At the office though, I tend to read via threading 
using Apple Mail and general reading / responding using Outlook for Macintosh, 
unless I am running a corporate copy of Windows in a VM, in which case I still 
use Outlook for Windows.

My current frustrations with Outlook on Macintosh are as follows:
1. When multiple messages are selected, instead of saying 6 messages or 6 rows 
selected it will say 36 cells selected.
2. The auto-expand / contraction of threads when reading by thread gets very 
confusing. This can be disabled in options though.

The viewing of contact cards in Outlook for the Macintosh is much better than 
what happens on the PC side.

Observations above are on a corporate Macintosh connected to an Exchange server 
running Office 2016 on the Macintosh and Outlook 2013 on the Windows side.


Best wishes,

Jonathan


On Apr 7, 2017, at 5:49 PM, Chris G 
mailto:jedikent@mysticaccess.email>> wrote:

Hi,
For those that have used Outlook 2016, are there bennifits to using it for 
email over mail?  If so what are they?

Thanks
Chris

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RE: Outlook 2016 or Apple mail

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

I have to admit I’m more  a windows user than a mac user,
But the times I have tried to use word 2016 on the mac,
I’ve found it more of an issue than the windows version,
Part of this I think is familiarity  of the product,
But my question would be why do you have to use word when pages can do pretty 
much the same thing now days?

As for windows on your mac,
you need to go with what is going to work for you the best.
Office 2016 needs jaws 18  where as vo will work with office 2016 on the mac.
Probably not that helpful but I think for most usage you’d be fine with office 
for the mac
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Monday, 10 April 2017 1:39 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Outlook 2016 or Apple mail

Hi John,

Thank you. This is really helpful and good to know.  I'm hoping I can just 
install Word, and not have to deal with the whole office suite, but I am not 
sure about that yet.

Just curious, is there anyone on list who has experience with both using Word 
for the Mac, and running Word in Windows using Fusion?  Which gives the better 
experience in Word?  That's obviously another option.  I have no interest in 
polluting my Mac by putting Windows on it, but if there is a good reason to, I 
would consider it.
Cheers,
Donna

On Apr 8, 2017, at 4:42 PM, Jonathan Cohn 
mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Donna,

I have certainly used Word 2016 on the Macintosh with no major issues. I have 
not tried anything complex however.  Office 2016 has both Macintosh style menus 
and also a ribbon, I believe there are more options embedded in the ribbon, 
though the ribbon is not as keyboard interactive as it is on Windows. You have 
to interact with the ribbon, select the category from the top row, then move 
down and interact one more time to get to all the controls there. I expect that 
one could use the item chooser in two quickly get to a ribbon item, but I have 
only tried that in Outlook where even in my 2016 15 inch Mac Book Pro I escape 
out of the item chooser before it brings up a list of items because it is too 
slow.. (500 messages in inbox)


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On Apr 8, 2017, at 8:39 AM, Donna Goodin 
mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

On a related note, can anyone give me the current status of Office, 
specifically Word, on the Mac?  I'm looking at some contract work that would 
require me to use Word, so trying to figure out whether to do it on a PC, or 
whether I could just use my Mac.
Cheers,
Donna

On Apr 8, 2017, at 7:31 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

David Diamond mailto:myguidedo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

MY fault.  I should have looked at the group I was responding too.
However, I have outlook 2016 on my IPhone and, do find it a lot easier to
use then the apple mail app.

I find that it conveniently separates mailing list messages from messages
addressed directly to me, and it does so automatically. The notifications it
creates on the lock screen are also useful. I think Microsoft Outlook for iOS
demonstrates that programmers in Redmond have been paying attention to
accessibility.

I have it installed on the Mac as well, but I haven't had enough experience
with that version to comment. Basic accessibility is present, but I don't know
how good it is or what limitations may exist.

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