not a problem. there are other reasons to use a VPN. However, 2 things I do 
when using google:
1. I am not signed in
2. I always use a VPN when searching.

Also, of late, I have been having some trust issues with my current ISP. It 
seems that they sent me a notice of copyright infringement about a shared file. 
only problem, I was not sharing anything. So, I had to do a full blown security 
audit of my machines and network. I did, eventually, found where the issue was 
(the Lingsys router I have here had a security vulnerability that couldn't be 
easily closed. As a result, one of my neighbors was using it to share files. 
so, even though I had the thing password protected, it was still using a number 
of items that made breaking the password trivially easy with the right 
software. I finally managed to get a handle on the situation by turning off the 
PIN the device had, turning off SSID broadcast and engaging MAC filtering. I 
still can't completely trust the device, so I use a VPN pretty much all the 
time now.

I am looking to upgrade the hardware though. A kit from Routerboard that I can 
install an image of OpenBSD on would make things a lot better here. THere are 
optional add-ons like WiFi B/G/A/N, a bridged set of LAN ports, an all weather 
housing, etc. Once that is done and installed, I can install the VPN package 
for OpenBSD on there, set it up to handle that and not worry too much. Then, if 
I want to be ultra secure, I would continue to use a VPN tunnel from my 
machine, thus doubling the protection.

Now, as to why I would want to use a VPN for other than just security? It's 
simple. there are some programs hosted on the web that might be regionally 
restricted (like sports events). So, I would want to be able to listen legally 
and not be caught up in a blackout zone. Thus, VPN allows me to place my end 
point elsewhere (like NYC, Sanfransisco, Detroit, Dallas, or even a foreign 
country). A VPN also gets around what my ISP does when I am viewing something 
like Hulu or Netflix (they try to lower the QoS for video streaming on content 
that directly competes with their cable programming).  With a VPN, they can't 
see the type of traffic, so they can't change its priority. They have yet to 
start doing so on encrypted tunnels. Besides, I am paying for a specific level 
of service and I hate it when the ISP decides that my traffic needs to be 
shaped. I don't have video here, so I expect full service. btw, I have already 
filed a number of complaints over this issue with both the FCC and the FTC. 
each time, my service gets maxed out for a few months and then they start the 
games again.

Now, I am paying for 50 megabit/second service here and when the VPN is active, 
I can still get 40 through. Thats not bad, all things considered. Since I 
started using the VPN a year ago, the bandwidth shaping games have pretty much 
stopped. However, lately, I have been catching RST packets being sent from 2 
hops upstream from me. That causes the VPN to drop and I have to reconnect. 
looks like its time to complain again.

anyway, thats a lot of how and why I use one.

Is it more secure? yes.
is it absolutely secure? not a chance! A very determined hacker will still be 
able to break it, but its enormously more difficult. He'll just simply move on 
to an easier target.

-eric

On Apr 9, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

> Eric,
> 
> I just want to correct one thing. The elimination of the ISP can't collect 
> traffic rule here in the US essentially does not change anything. Congress 
> can not actually shutdown entire rules without Agency changes unless they are 
> brand new rules. The privacy rules were I believe supposed to go into effect 
> in June, and don't forget even if those rules had gone into effect Google 
> would still be collecting and selling your data. In fact, be wary of any free 
> or very inexpensive internet based service, software does not just get 
> created out of thin air, companies pay good money for developers, and disk 
> space costs something too. 
> 
> In fact one reason, congress did not like the new FCC rules was that they 
> only provided a that no equivalent protections of privacy could be leveraged 
> by the FCC over search engines, since the FCC only regulates the pipes and 
> the FTC would regulate other internet services.
> 
> Please forgive any specific inaccuracies in this post, I am going off of 
> materials I read in tidbits.com and severalpodcasts that I listened to over a 
> week ago.
>  
>               Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 9, 2017, at 12:31 PM, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> well,
>> depending on whether you use a free or paid service will make a difference 
>> in both service quality and setup. I use a paid service myself. It's $7 a 
>> month and is fairly reliable. I have tried some free services, but they are 
>> mostly hit and miss and are not always as secure. the service I use is 
>> located here: www.privateinternetaccess.com and they have both client 
>> software or you can setup manually. Unfortunately, their cliente for the mac 
>> is not accessible, so I use a manual setup in the preferences pane. It works 
>> reasonably well. I have also done the manual setup in windows 7.  This has 
>> allowed me to be able to have dropbox and a few other services when I am 
>> behind a firewall (like over at Voc rehab) THeir IT folks have gotten on my 
>> case more than once, until I pointed out to them that their own policy does 
>> not forbid the use of a vpn (it does, however, forbid the use of sharing 
>> services that are unprotected on their networks).  I even had one of them 
>> try to break into my machine (at my request) and they found it well nigh 
>> impossible. I had the firewall on that win 7 box setup so that only traffic 
>> on the VPN was allowed in or out and everything else got dropped. That took 
>> a lot of heavy customization on my part to make it work.
>> 
>> so, if you want to run a VPN, which these days is pretty much going to be a 
>> must now that ISP's aren't required to keep your info private, it is highly 
>> recommended.. btw, a lot of the free vpn services are not all that bandwidth 
>> friendly. thats why I use the service I do. they can support up to 20 
>> Mbits/sec. for what I do, thats a must have.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Apr 9, 2017, at 9:17 AM, E.T. wrote:
>> 
>>>  The recent discussion about VPN got me interested but I was not ready to 
>>> look into it at the time.
>>> 
>>>  I know the setup is done in Network prefs but where does one get 
>>> information on VPN servers etc.? Thanks.
>>> 
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