RE: Anyone install OS X 10.11.4?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Ray,

 I fully agree,

 I've only been using macs for a few years because I needed to learn them for 
work.

Now I'm one of the 5 people my office come to when they have mac issues and I 
do most of the machine reinsatllations for my team and that's from start to  
finish with a reconfiguration 
And as I'm the only with sight issues, people can't figure out how we do it 
without being able to see.


I so wish ms would setup an installation system like apple have.-Original 
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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ray Foret jr
Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 1:30 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Anyone install OS X 10.11.4?

Let me make one thing perfectly clear.  I have done a clean install with the 
latest update and no problems what so ever.  Do not be fooled in to thinking 
that you, as a blind Mac user, cannot cleanly install the OS without sighted 
assistance.  This is one of the major selling points that drew me away from 
windows and to the Mac back in  2009.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a very happy Mac, Verizon 
Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

> On Mar 22, 2016, at 5:20 AM, William Gallik  wrote:
> 
> As a totally blind user, I'm asking if it would still be prudent to do a 
> clean install with the latest version of OSX rather than an update?
> 
> I am still on Yosemite with my Mac Mini, a friend who is also totally blind 
> had her cited husband execute an update and she is having no problems. 
> However, I have to wonder if the fact that he could see what he was doing 
> made it feasible for him to react to any information or questions on the 
> screen that someone was totally blind would not be able to react to.
> 
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RE: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Simon Fogarty]

 Hey Scott,

 Yeah I have to agree,

 I thought it was kind of overkill leading up to it and then a real let down 
once over,

I thought more of Tim Cooks opening speech than the iPhone se and iPad 
presentations.

 I did like the sound of the TV OS updates, exept for the fact that NZ doesn't 
yet have the Siri side of the apple tv gen 4 working with our systems.

 So something great sounding that we have to look forward to.

Otherwise,
I've got no concerns for watch straps.

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Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 1:33 AM
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Subject: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a total waste 
of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my afternoon for watch 
bands?

In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what others 
thought, is it just me?

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RE: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Simon Fogarty]

I'd like to see an iPad pro mini but a better apple pencil as I'm not overly 
empressed by the current one, to long and weighty.



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On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 1:59 AM
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Subject: Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

There was not anything unexpected. I am interested in the smaller iPad Pro. 
However, a big presentation did not seem necessary. And, too many such will 
weaken the hype for the future.

Now, if Apple were to announce an iPad Pro / MacBook combo device, or a MacBook 
with a touch screen, I would be very excited! And, a self-driving Apple Car, 
now that would be fantastic! 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Sent from my iPhone

> On 23 Mar 2016, at 01:32, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a total 
> waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my afternoon for 
> watch bands?
> 
> In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what others 
> thought, is it just me?
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RE: siri and iphone

[Simon Fogarty]

The 6s without peak / pop

Otherwise it's a 4 inch phone.

New entery level for those that don't have big pockets.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 2:08 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: siri and iphone

Yeah it was totally underwhelming.  THere’s a new phone I think it’s called the 
Sc.  It’s basically a 4 inch version of the 6S with an A9 chip and some fairly 
groovy insides but nothing revolutionary although a good option for folks who 
like the small form factor.


> On Mar 22, 2016, at 9:04 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> What's the deal with the new phone?  I didn't even know there was an Apple 
> event yesterday.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 8:01 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, I saw the announcement after I wrote that message. I was going with the 
>> knowledge that the new iPad and iPhone are coming out on March 31.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
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>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 23 Mar 2016, at 01:47, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> IOS 9.3 is out.  I was prompted to update this morning.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Mar 21, 2016, at 10:01 PM, David Chittenden  
 wrote:
 
 I suggest that you update using iTunes from the computer next week when 
 iOS 9.3 comes out to clear out any legacy code. This should clear the odd 
 behaviour..
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 22 Mar 2016, at 11:18, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> None of these worked. I’m hoping the new ios software update will fix it.
>> On Mar 19, 2016, at 1:13 PM, Jenine Stanley  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve tried a couple things if the issue doesn’t clear itself after a few 
>> tries.
>> 
>> 1. turn off VO and turn it back on using triple click hom. Sometimes 
>> even just turning on and off speech using 3-finger double tap works as 
>> well.
>> 
>> 2. the standard press and hold of the Home and Power buttons for 10 
>> seconds.
>> 
>> 3. Turning Siri off and back on via settings.
>> 
>> These usually clear things up right away.
>> Jenine Stanley
>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 19, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Jessica Moss  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It likes to do that to me on occasion as well, then just suddenly 
>>> clears up, so have no idea what to make of that.
 On Mar 19, 2016, at 6:53 AM, Ben J. Bloomgren 
  wrote:
 
 That's happening to me intermittantly as well. it seems to have 
 stopped for now, but we shall see.
 
 Ben
 - Original Message - From: "Sarai Bucciarelli" 
 
 To: 
 Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 19:14
 Subject: siri and iphone
 
 
> Hi:
> I have an iPhone 6s. Siri stopped opening apps! It says the apps do 
> not exist. They do exist. I tried clearing ram, resetting phone by 
> holding home and apple buttons, and power on and off phone. No luck! 
> Any ideas?
> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
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RE: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Simon Fogarty]

They still have wwdc in june / july which ever month it is.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Basioli George
Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 2:26 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

here is a better question.  does this mean no september event since tim said 
the next event will be held in their new place in 2017???
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 6:03 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Right or an Apple TV, something, anything, give me some Apple jar openers, 
> Apple socks, something new.  The watch is good but you need to give me more 
> than bands.  I like bands but I like new features better.
> 
> A self driving car would be fantastic. I like the apple design, the car 
> doesn’t have windows.:)  It has screens instead.
> 
> I’m with you they need to stop with the theatrics if there’s nothing to show. 
>  Steve we miss you buddy!
> 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 8:59 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> There was not anything unexpected. I am interested in the smaller iPad Pro. 
>> However, a big presentation did not seem necessary. And, too many such will 
>> weaken the hype for the future.
>> 
>> Now, if Apple were to announce an iPad Pro / MacBook combo device, or a 
>> MacBook with a touch screen, I would be very excited! And, a self-driving 
>> Apple Car, now that would be fantastic!
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 23 Mar 2016, at 01:32, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a total 
>>> waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my afternoon 
>>> for watch bands?
>>> 
>>> In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what others 
>>> thought, is it just me?
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RE: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Simon Fogarty]

Yes that is something we in New Zealand can say is great, an unlocked device.

I never buy a locked to provider device.



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 2:38 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

And I love the idea of just having an unlocked phone.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:
> 
> They did announce the smaller iPad and the smaller iPhone. I kind of 
> wish I hadn't gotten a 6S, since the se has all the specs of the 6S 
> but with no 3D touch, which I almost never use anyway.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 3/22/16, Basioli George  wrote:
>> here is a better question.  does this mean no september event since 
>> tim said the next event will be held in their new place in 2017???
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 6:03 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Right or an Apple TV, something, anything, give me some Apple jar 
>>> openers, Apple socks, something new.  The watch is good but you need 
>>> to give me more than bands.  I like bands but I like new features better.
>>> 
>>> A self driving car would be fantastic. I like the apple design, the 
>>> car doesn’t have windows.:)  It has screens instead.
>>> 
>>> I’m with you they need to stop with the theatrics if there’s nothing 
>>> to show.  Steve we miss you buddy!
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 22, 2016, at 8:59 AM, David Chittenden 
 
 wrote:
 
 There was not anything unexpected. I am interested in the smaller 
 iPad Pro. However, a big presentation did not seem necessary. And, 
 too many such will weaken the hype for the future.
 
 Now, if Apple were to announce an iPad Pro / MacBook combo device, 
 or a MacBook with a touch screen, I would be very excited! And, a 
 self-driving Apple Car, now that would be fantastic!
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 23 Mar 2016, at 01:32, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be 
> a total waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out 
> of my afternoon for watch bands?
> 
> In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what 
> others thought, is it just me?
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RE: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Simon Fogarty]

Siri is going to be able to make coffee?
Awesome.

Where do I get one of those apple products?



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of John Panarese
Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 6:17 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

  I think people have to put this into perspective. There hasn’t been any 
significant innovations by any company that has been earth shattering. I think 
there is an expectation that people have that Apple is going to release an 
actual time machine or a version of SIRI that will do your laundry or make you 
coffee. Realistically, I don’t think we’re going to have any major jump in 
technology for some time to come, so if you think every Apple event or Google 
event or Microsoft event is going to present something so truly awesome, you 
probably will be left a bit disappointed. We might see minor jumps here and 
there, but the curve is going to be relatively fixed for a while.

The other part of it is from a marketing standpoint, it was important for 
Apple. There are areas of the market that these products now fill for them and 
for companies, it’s about the revenue stream. It might not have been Mac 
refreshes or anything that directly impacts the blind, but they will sell the 
new iPads and iPhones and a lot of them too.


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On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Rod Skene 
mailto:skene...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I liked it. Very impressed with the update to Apple TV. Folders, dictation,  
and Bluetooth keyboard are all very big for me.
 I really like the new iPhone. May try to find a way to switch from my 6S plus 
to the new smaller four-inch phone.
Finally, off-line dictation on my iPhone is really big for me as well. Overall 
there are several new features and a piece of new hardware that really 
interests me.
Rod


Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse any errors.

On Mar 22, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Jenine Stanley 
mailto:dragonwalke...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I really think in terms of these presentaitons that we consumers are our own 
worst enemy. We now *expect* big things, in March, in June from WWDC and then 
again in September/October.

I’m reeling a bit just thinking about iPhone 7 possibly this fall. I just got a 
6s. I know that the new phone plans where you pay each month and can get the 
latest and greatest phone are becoming the thing but at some point I’m afraid 
we’ll get to that stage where we can’t be impressed by anything unless it 
shocks us or is hitting us with the force of short time spans. I hope that made 
sense.

Maybe the Spring Event for Apple needs to be toned down. Maybe they don’t 
necessarily need to have one.

Was I hoping for more? Yes, but more detail, not more new and innovative.

For those who feel Apple isn’t blazing trails anymore, what trails? How do we 
know this? Just because they aren’t publicly saying anything about projects 
doesn’t mean they aren’t happening. That goes for any company.

I guess my htought on the event as a whole is that it was what it was and 
over-analyzing, which we all are guilty of in this 24-hour news cycle world, 
can only lead to disappointment…unless Apple sends me that space Black Milanese 
Loop band for saying this.
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



On Mar 22, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Jenny Wood 
mailto:kc5...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I didn’t take time out of my day to monitor the event, but I am kinda glad I 
didn’t hold off on buying the Apple Watch back at Christmas, when the 
predictions were that a new version would be released this spring.

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On Mar 22, 2016, at 7:32 AM, Scott Granados 
mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:

Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a total waste 
of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my afternoon for watch 
bands?

In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what others 
thought, is it just me?

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RE: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Simon Fogarty]

But how do we know what we want until we see it in a Hollywood movie?

 Steve Jobbs pulled apple out of trouble  back in the 90's when he came back.
Since then they have lead the way with a lot of the IT development in personal 
devices phones, computers  and tablets,

 Unless they find another forward thinker like Jobbs then they are really only 
updating existing technology with better specifications 

What about an apple notebook with a touch screan running either of osx or IOS 
but a full keyboard 
Along the lines of a mac book air but with a touch screan.


An apple tv that is a tv screan like we know but say thin enough you can roll 
it up 
The apple car would be great, but again that will take a lot more work than 
just the car.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Vaughn Brown
Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 7:34 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

In all of this I wonder if consumers are not voices what they would like Apple 
to develop directly to Apple. How can a product be developed without a demand?
Vaughn

On 3/22/16, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries  
wrote:
> Another perspective is that most people don't know a great thing until 
> there are a few years of hindsight. I remember one of my co-workers 
> got one of the very first iPhones and I couldn't figure out why. It 
> was a battery hog, heavy and my little folding phone made calls just as well.
> Who knew then what the trajectory would be? There is also 1.0 
> iteration issues. The original Lisa was expensive, slow and buggy but 
> they kept iterating on the basic strong bit of a more human-centered 
> interface.
> That eventually became the Mac and it's been pretty good since. 
> Lessons learned from the Newton as well. So is today's Apple Watch 
> just a Newton or Lisa - a good core idea that is usable today but 
> needs more development? Maybe AppleTV is just iPhone 1.0 and we 
> haven't realized where it's going to go.
>
> There is one snag in the IoT when those are durable goods. Most 
> devices are running about a 3-year life cycle but my fridge, TV and 
> thermostat are expected to go much longer than that. So what happens 
> to my iOS enabled fridge when iOS 15 comes out? TVs are really hitting 
> commodity prices where margins are super thin so I doubt Apple would 
> want to get into that space. It does make sense to have a removable 
> brain (AppleTV) which I can just plug into the TV or upgrade when brain 2.0 
> comes out.
> That also means when the TV dies I can swap it without tossing the the 
> brain with it. That was the idea behind having separate components in 
> AV systems. If you had a TV with a DVD player in it and the player 
> dies, then what?
>
> CB
>
> On 3/22/16 1:24 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> They will sell new iPhones, the iPad is arguable at best.  Sales have 
>> almost tanked on iPads and let’s face it, the phone carries Apple 
>> when you consider just how much of it’s cash flow is on the phone 
>> exclusively.
>>
>> And you m are good points but I counter with where has been anything 
>> in the last 5 years.  Ok larger screen, incrementally faster 
>> processors.  Apple didn’t do anything Samsung or the other guys 
>> haven’t done other than continuing to execute a design that was 
>> better to start but that’s only going to get them so far.  I agree it 
>> doesn’t have to be earth shattering overtime but once in the last 5 
>> years would be nice.  The watch is a maybe but when that’s all you 
>> can point to that’s just sad.
>> And I would disagree about the earth shattering / disruptive part.
>>  Ask a cab driver if his / her life has changed:).  I shorted a large 
>> hotel chain last year because it was about to get Air BnBed out of
>> existence.:)  Excellent and well presented points though, definitely 
>> something to think about.
>>
>> I hope I’m wrong by the way, I’d love to be blown away for years to 
>> come by Apple products.  I’m a big fan I just hope they can find 
>> their way again.
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 1:16 PM, John Panarese >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> I think people have to put this into perspective. There hasn’t been 
>>> any significant innovations by any company that has been earth 
>>> shattering. I think there is an expectation that people have that 
>>> Apple is going to release an actual time machine or a version of 
>>> SIRI that will do your laundry or make you coffee. Realistically, I 
>>> don’t think we’re going to have any major jump in technology for 
>>> some time to come, so if you think every Apple event or Google event 
>>> or Microsoft event is going to present something so truly awesome, 
>>> you probably will be left a bit disappointed. We might see minor 
>>> jumps here and there, but the curve is going to be relatively fixed 
>>> for a while.
>>>
>>> The other part of it is from a mar

RE: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Simon Fogarty]

Scott,

Would you  say apple don't listen even though we can contact them when there is 
an accessibility issue with a IOS or OSC system and they work quickly to 
correct the issues.
Full stop they have listened enough to give us accessible platforms out of the 
box.
What do Microsoft do for us?

 They always leave it up to the third parties.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 7:37 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

It’s really not in apple’s culture to listen to consumers.  Remember their 
attitude is they come up with great products we can’t live with out.:)  
Remember the antenna issue.  It wasn’t a flaw in the design it was the user 
holding the phone the wrong way according to apple.

You hav ea good point that companies should listen to customers and generally 
do well if they do but I never have thought of apple as being big listeners.  I 
could be wrong maybe others feel differently.  Apple though was always to me 
that closed black box that just works and solves a problem I didn’t know i had.


> On Mar 22, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
> 
> In all of this I wonder if consumers are not voices what they would 
> like Apple to develop directly to Apple. How can a product be 
> developed without a demand?
> Vaughn
> 
> On 3/22/16, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
>> Another perspective is that most people don't know a great thing 
>> until there are a few years of hindsight. I remember one of my 
>> co-workers got one of the very first iPhones and I couldn't figure 
>> out why. It was a battery hog, heavy and my little folding phone made calls 
>> just as well.
>> Who knew then what the trajectory would be? There is also 1.0 
>> iteration issues. The original Lisa was expensive, slow and buggy but 
>> they kept iterating on the basic strong bit of a more human-centered 
>> interface.
>> That eventually became the Mac and it's been pretty good since. 
>> Lessons learned from the Newton as well. So is today's Apple Watch 
>> just a Newton or Lisa - a good core idea that is usable today but 
>> needs more development? Maybe AppleTV is just iPhone 1.0 and we 
>> haven't realized where it's going to go.
>> 
>> There is one snag in the IoT when those are durable goods. Most 
>> devices are running about a 3-year life cycle but my fridge, TV and 
>> thermostat are expected to go much longer than that. So what happens 
>> to my iOS enabled fridge when iOS 15 comes out? TVs are really 
>> hitting commodity prices where margins are super thin so I doubt 
>> Apple would want to get into that space. It does make sense to have a 
>> removable brain (AppleTV) which I can just plug into the TV or upgrade when 
>> brain 2.0 comes out.
>> That also means when the TV dies I can swap it without tossing the 
>> the brain with it. That was the idea behind having separate 
>> components in AV systems. If you had a TV with a DVD player in it and 
>> the player dies, then what?
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 3/22/16 1:24 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> They will sell new iPhones, the iPad is arguable at best.  Sales 
>>> have almost tanked on iPads and let’s face it, the phone carries 
>>> Apple when you consider just how much of it’s cash flow is on the phone 
>>> exclusively.
>>> 
>>> And you m are good points but I counter with where has been anything 
>>> in the last 5 years.  Ok larger screen, incrementally faster 
>>> processors.  Apple didn’t do anything Samsung or the other guys 
>>> haven’t done other than continuing to execute a design that was 
>>> better to start but that’s only going to get them so far.  I agree 
>>> it doesn’t have to be earth shattering overtime but once in the last 
>>> 5 years would be nice.  The watch is a maybe but when that’s all you 
>>> can point to that’s just sad.
>>> And I would disagree about the earth shattering / disruptive part.
>>> Ask a cab driver if his / her life has changed:).  I shorted a large 
>>> hotel chain last year because it was about to get Air BnBed out of
>>> existence.:)  Excellent and well presented points though, definitely 
>>> something to think about.
>>> 
>>> I hope I’m wrong by the way, I’d love to be blown away for years to 
>>> come by Apple products.  I’m a big fan I just hope they can find 
>>> their way again.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 22, 2016, at 1:16 PM, John Panarese >>> > wrote:
 
 I think people have to put this into perspective. There hasn’t been 
 any significant innovations by any company that has been earth 
 shattering. I think there is an expectation that people have that 
 Apple is going to release an actual time machine or a version of 
 SIRI that will do your laundry or make you coffee. Realistically, I 
 don’t think we’re going to have any major jump in technology for 
 som

RE: Smaller iPad Pro can use Microsoft Office for free, while larger iPad can't

[Simon Fogarty]

Mary,

If it’s anything like my iPhone 6s then it’s great,

I’ve been running office 365 on my ipHone for more than a year now and it works 
great with voiceover, I’ve only just put it on my iPad mini but it’s still very 
accessible.



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 4:03 PM
To: viph...@googlegroups.com; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Smaller iPad Pro can use Microsoft Office for free, while larger iPad 
can't

I wonder how accessible this is on the iPad on with voiceover.
Mary

Smaller iPad Pro can use Microsoft Office for free, while larger iPad can't
Macworld  /  Mark Hachman


[Image removed by 
sender.]

Here’s one point Apple marketing chief Phil Schiller didn’t make in calling the 
new 9.7-inch iPad the ultimate PC 
replacement:
 if you buy it, you won’t have to pay for an Office 365 subscription to use 
Microsoft’s iOS Office apps.

But if you buy the larger, 12.9-inch model, you will. Why? Because of the 
vagaries of Microsoft’s mobile Office strategy.

Almost a year ago, Microsoft attempted to distinguish what defined a mobile 
experience, and what devices would typically be used on the go. The idea, 
according to Microsoft, was that the company wanted to charge Office 365 
licensing fees for those users who were using Office at a desk, performing 
productive work. Microsoft views mobile apps as more appropriate for light 
editing, rather than document creation.

What Microsoft settled on to divide mobile and desktop 
users
 was screen size: specifically 10.1 inches. Anything smaller than that and 
users can pretty much do anything they want with the appropriate iOS, Windows, 
or Android app, including creating, editing, or sharing documents. But if 
you’re using the Office apps on a device whose primary screen is larger than 
10.1 inches, Microsoft won’t let you create a new document, just edit and view 
an Office document created elsewhere.

That means that, if you define productivity as access to Microsoft’s excellent 
Office apps for 
iOS,
 the smaller iPad Pro is actually more productive than the larger version.

If you’re worried that Microsoft may erase this distinction, you probably 
shouldn’t be. One of the foundations of Microsoft’s Continuum 
plan
 is to allow its Lumia phones to plug into a Display Dock and essentially run 
the free mobile Office apps on a desktop monitor. Close the licensing loophole, 
and one of Continuum’s advantages disappears.

Why this matters: Windows users may have many reasons to believe that the iPad 
Pro pales in comparison to the Surface 
tablets,
 but Office compatibility isn’t one of them. It’s worth noting that even the 
smallest $499 Surface 3 clocks in a 10.7 inches on the diagonal, meaning that 
Microsoft charges every Surface user for an Office subscription if you want to 
create an Office document—$70 per year for an Office 365 Personal subscription. 
Provided you buy the smaller $599 iPad Pro, that savings will pay for itself in 
about 18 months.


Original Article: 
http://www.macworld.com/article/3047152/ios/smaller-ipad-pro-can-use-microsoft-office-for-free-while-larger-ipad-cant.html#tk.rss_all


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Re: Facebook keyboard shortcuts not working on mac

[Caitlyn Furness]

Well, maybe they)Facebook) broke accessability again.. won’t be the first time, 
unfortunately!  Hopefully they will fix it in the next ncarnation of Facebook.

I find myself using the web rotar a lot with Facebook these days.  Sometimes 
the mobile site works better, but there seem to be things you can’t do as 
easily with the mobile site, like upload things to your page, etc.  Now, I am 
really just getting into using it, so there are probably tons of things I just 
don’t know how to do yet, either!

Cait

> On Mar 22, 2016, at 9:15 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> i tried that too, voiceover keys+J/K don’t work either.
> Sent from my Mac.
> 
> Devin Prater
> d.pra...@me.com 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 8:12 PM, Terje Strømberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> What is all the flaming about? Are you living in the Australian or African 
>> bush? 
>> 
>> Even i knew it was going to be a small event. Get an internet connection and 
>> read about the next big Apple event! 
>> 
>> iPhone SE have 3.5mm jack
>> 
>> Take care
>> 
>>> 22. mar. 2016 kl. 13.21 skrev Caitlyn Furness >> >:
>>> 
>>> have you tried hitting the vo keys and the letter navigation?
>>> 
>>> Cait
>>> 
 On Mar 21, 2016, at 6:37 PM, Devin Prater >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi all. Has anyone experienced this? I go to Facebook.com 
 , and once its loaded, press J. I hear the voiceover 
 clicking sound, that focus has moved, but voiceover doesn’t speak the 
 status I land on. Subsequent presses of J and K have the same effect. Can 
 anyone help with this?
 I’m on os x el Capitan 10.11.4, on a mac Mini, late 2012 model.
 Sent from my Mac.
 
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web interface for googlegroup

[Jim Gatteys]

Hi all!
Does anyone have pointers for using the web interface for this group to search 
for previously discussed topics?  I have not had much luck but maybe somebody 
else has pointers.
Thanks,
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Re: the 4-finger swipe

[Ray Foret jr]

YOu sure the four finger swipe works on the iPhone 6 or 6+?  I guess it must 
only work on the 6S and 6S+ because it sure doesn’t work for me on my 6+.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
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Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

> On Mar 23, 2016, at 1:10 AM, Ben J Bloomgren  
> wrote:
> 
> Mary and all,
> 
> AppleVis has put up some tutorials as to the new features both in TVOS 9.2 
> and iOS 9.3.
> 
> Ben
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:28 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I just tried before finger gesture for the first time when in mail. It 
>> flipped to Safari. First shot. There was a bit of a delay, but it work.
>> Mary
>> PS, running an iPhone 6s.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Jenine Stanley  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It allows you, from an open app, to move back and forth through your other 
>>> open apps as you would with the app switcher. Again, it’s not something for 
>>> which there is no other gesture or way to access but something that’s 
>>> pretty nifty and more like a multi-tasking feel if you will. 
>>> 
>>> I was all over the 3D touch gesture when we got it to access the app 
>>> switcher and yes, it is or at least seems to be so far, much more stable in 
>>> 9.3. 
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 22, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Christina C.  wrote:
 
 what is it supposed to accomplish?
 
 
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Jenine Stanley  
> wrote:
> 
> Is anyone else having trouble getting the 4-finger left and right swipe 
> gesture to work? I love the concept of what it’s supposed to do but I 
> can’t get it to work. 
> 
> I have a 6S and small hands but somehow the swipe just doesn’t work. 
> 
> It took me a while to get the 3-finger swipe to work though so maybe I 
> just need to go into the VO practice area for a while with it.
> Jenine Stanley
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setting margins in either textedit or pages

[Jim Gatteys]

Hi all!
Is there a way to set temporary margins in Text Edit, for instance if I am 
typing a paragraph at the left margin then if I want the next few lines to be 
indented 10 spaces or so is this doable in Text Edit?I thought there was a 
ruler just like in pages but can't find it and don't know how to use it If I do 
find it.

And in pages I can set margins but then when it comes time to make other margin 
changes inside a document how do I manipulate the ruler to change the margins 
and then to read the position so I know if my settings have taken effect.
Thanks,
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Re: the 4-finger swipe

[Robert Hill]

Hi Rey and listers, 

I just tried the four-finger swipe on my iPhone 6 with 9.3, and it worked just 
fine" 
I did have to wait a bit for the apps to come into focus, but I was able to 
cycle between messages, mail and NFB newsline. 

Bob Hill 


Sent from Bob's iPhone

> On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:25 AM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> YOu sure the four finger swipe works on the iPhone 6 or 6+?  I guess it must 
> only work on the 6S and 6S+ because it sure doesn’t work for me on my 6+.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 1:10 AM, Ben J Bloomgren  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Mary and all,
>> 
>> AppleVis has put up some tutorials as to the new features both in TVOS 9.2 
>> and iOS 9.3.
>> 
>> Ben
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:28 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just tried before finger gesture for the first time when in mail. It 
>>> flipped to Safari. First shot. There was a bit of a delay, but it work.
>>> Mary
>>> PS, running an iPhone 6s.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Jenine Stanley  
 wrote:
 
 It allows you, from an open app, to move back and forth through your other 
 open apps as you would with the app switcher. Again, it’s not something 
 for which there is no other gesture or way to access but something that’s 
 pretty nifty and more like a multi-tasking feel if you will. 
 
 I was all over the 3D touch gesture when we got it to access the app 
 switcher and yes, it is or at least seems to be so far, much more stable 
 in 9.3. 
 Jenine Stanley
 dragonwalke...@gmail.com
 
 
 
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Christina C.  wrote:
> 
> what is it supposed to accomplish?
> 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Jenine Stanley  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Is anyone else having trouble getting the 4-finger left and right swipe 
>> gesture to work? I love the concept of what it’s supposed to do but I 
>> can’t get it to work. 
>> 
>> I have a 6S and small hands but somehow the swipe just doesn’t work. 
>> 
>> It took me a while to get the 3-finger swipe to work though so maybe I 
>> just need to go into the VO practice area for a while with it.
>> Jenine Stanley
>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
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Re: setting margins in either textedit or pages

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Hello Jim,

In TextEdit, there are preset tab stops but they don’t change the actual margin.
In Pages, you should create a new paragraph style with the Left and First 
indents set to the value you want.

All this and more is explained in our book on Pages which you can purchase for 
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> Hi all!
> Is there a way to set temporary margins in Text Edit, for instance if I am 
> typing a paragraph at the left margin then if I want the next few lines to be 
> indented 10 spaces or so is this doable in Text Edit?I thought there was a 
> ruler just like in pages but can't find it and don't know how to use it If I 
> do find it.
> 
> And in pages I can set margins but then when it comes time to make other 
> margin changes inside a document how do I manipulate the ruler to change the 
> margins and then to read the position so I know if my settings have taken 
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Re: Playing iTunes on a Skype Call

[Carter Temm]

Loopback is paid, if you want a free solution, use sound flower. If you want 
help using it, feel free to email me off list

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> Is there a way of using Audio Hijack to play an iTunes track within a Skype 
> call? I haven’t been able to figure it out.
> 
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Re: Playing iTunes on a Skype Call

[Carter Temm]

I'll also add, sound flower is not an easy program for beginners. So I repeat 
do! not! screw! up.
If you do this, you will run a risk of completely losing voiceover output as 
well as all of your system audio. So just be careful

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Re: the 4-finger swipe

[Robert Hill]

Well, I guess I'll have to retract my statement about the four finger swipe, 
because when I tried just now, I had no luck" 
I went into accessibility setings' and the voiceover practice area, and lo and 
behold, the four finger swipe gesture was not recognized. 

Rats!

Bob Hill 



Sent from Bob's iPhone

> On Mar 23, 2016, at 6:45 AM, Robert Hill  wrote:
> 
> Hi Rey and listers, 
> 
> I just tried the four-finger swipe on my iPhone 6 with 9.3, and it worked 
> just fine" 
> I did have to wait a bit for the apps to come into focus, but I was able to 
> cycle between messages, mail and NFB newsline. 
> 
> Bob Hill 
> 
> 
> Sent from Bob's iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:25 AM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
>> 
>> YOu sure the four finger swipe works on the iPhone 6 or 6+?  I guess it must 
>> only work on the 6S and 6S+ because it sure doesn’t work for me on my 6+.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 1:10 AM, Ben J Bloomgren  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mary and all,
>>> 
>>> AppleVis has put up some tutorials as to the new features both in TVOS 9.2 
>>> and iOS 9.3.
>>> 
>>> Ben
 On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:28 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 I just tried before finger gesture for the first time when in mail. It 
 flipped to Safari. First shot. There was a bit of a delay, but it work.
 Mary
 PS, running an iPhone 6s.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Jenine Stanley  
> wrote:
> 
> It allows you, from an open app, to move back and forth through your 
> other open apps as you would with the app switcher. Again, it’s not 
> something for which there is no other gesture or way to access but 
> something that’s pretty nifty and more like a multi-tasking feel if you 
> will. 
> 
> I was all over the 3D touch gesture when we got it to access the app 
> switcher and yes, it is or at least seems to be so far, much more stable 
> in 9.3. 
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Christina C.  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> what is it supposed to accomplish?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Jenine Stanley  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is anyone else having trouble getting the 4-finger left and right swipe 
>>> gesture to work? I love the concept of what it’s supposed to do but I 
>>> can’t get it to work. 
>>> 
>>> I have a 6S and small hands but somehow the swipe just doesn’t work. 
>>> 
>>> It took me a while to get the 3-finger swipe to work though so maybe I 
>>> just need to go into the VO practice area for a while with it.
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: the 4-finger swipe

[Alex Hall]

but it's not a VoiceOver gesture, so it wouldn't be recognized there at all. 
It's a universal gesture that works with or without VoiceOver being active. In 
fact, the only place (other than on your Home screen) it likely would NOT work 
is in Practice Mode, because that mode catches every gesture before iOS can 
process it. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 23, 2016, at 07:43, Robert Hill  wrote:
> 
> Well, I guess I'll have to retract my statement about the four finger swipe, 
> because when I tried just now, I had no luck" 
> I went into accessibility setings' and the voiceover practice area, and lo 
> and behold, the four finger swipe gesture was not recognized. 
> 
> Rats!
> 
> Bob Hill 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Bob's iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 6:45 AM, Robert Hill  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Rey and listers, 
>> 
>> I just tried the four-finger swipe on my iPhone 6 with 9.3, and it worked 
>> just fine" 
>> I did have to wait a bit for the apps to come into focus, but I was able to 
>> cycle between messages, mail and NFB newsline. 
>> 
>> Bob Hill 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Bob's iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:25 AM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> YOu sure the four finger swipe works on the iPhone 6 or 6+?  I guess it 
>>> must only work on the 6S and 6S+ because it sure doesn’t work for me on my 
>>> 6+.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
 On Mar 23, 2016, at 1:10 AM, Ben J Bloomgren  
 wrote:
 
 Mary and all,
 
 AppleVis has put up some tutorials as to the new features both in TVOS 9.2 
 and iOS 9.3.
 
 Ben
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:28 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I just tried before finger gesture for the first time when in mail. It 
> flipped to Safari. First shot. There was a bit of a delay, but it work.
> Mary
> PS, running an iPhone 6s.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Jenine Stanley  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> It allows you, from an open app, to move back and forth through your 
>> other open apps as you would with the app switcher. Again, it’s not 
>> something for which there is no other gesture or way to access but 
>> something that’s pretty nifty and more like a multi-tasking feel if you 
>> will. 
>> 
>> I was all over the 3D touch gesture when we got it to access the app 
>> switcher and yes, it is or at least seems to be so far, much more stable 
>> in 9.3. 
>> Jenine Stanley
>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Christina C.  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> what is it supposed to accomplish?
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 22, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Jenine Stanley  
 wrote:
 
 Is anyone else having trouble getting the 4-finger left and right 
 swipe gesture to work? I love the concept of what it’s supposed to do 
 but I can’t get it to work. 
 
 I have a 6S and small hands but somehow the swipe just doesn’t work. 
 
 It took me a while to get the 3-finger swipe to work though so maybe I 
 just need to go into the VO practice area for a while with it.
 Jenine Stanley
 dragonwalke...@gmail.com
 
 
 
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Scott Granados]

The only problem with that is you’re running windows.  Nothing turns a brand 
new laptop in to last years model faster than installing windows.:)

> On Mar 22, 2016, at 2:59 PM, jeff `greene  wrote:
> 
> Hi, I too was disappointed! I wanted to see new macbooks! Like the
> article aI saw on digitaltrends.com says: apple's macbooks are
> dusty,too slow and over priced. Or, something like that. I think Apple
> needs to keep up with the pc market which has been shipping skylake
> intel laptops since september 2015.
> Jeff
> 
> 
> On 3/22/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> It’s really not in apple’s culture to listen to consumers.  Remember their
>> attitude is they come up with great products we can’t live with out.:)
>> Remember the antenna issue.  It wasn’t a flaw in the design it was the user
>> holding the phone the wrong way according to apple.
>> 
>> You hav ea good point that companies should listen to customers and
>> generally do well if they do but I never have thought of apple as being big
>> listeners.  I could be wrong maybe others feel differently.  Apple though
>> was always to me that closed black box that just works and solves a problem
>> I didn’t know i had.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> In all of this I wonder if consumers are not voices what they would
>>> like Apple to develop directly to Apple. How can a product be
>>> developed without a demand?
>>> Vaughn
>>> 
>>> On 3/22/16, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>>>  wrote:
 Another perspective is that most people don't know a great thing until
 there are a few years of hindsight. I remember one of my co-workers got
 one of the very first iPhones and I couldn't figure out why. It was a
 battery hog, heavy and my little folding phone made calls just as well.
 Who knew then what the trajectory would be? There is also 1.0 iteration
 issues. The original Lisa was expensive, slow and buggy but they kept
 iterating on the basic strong bit of a more human-centered interface.
 That eventually became the Mac and it's been pretty good since. Lessons
 learned from the Newton as well. So is today's Apple Watch just a Newton
 or Lisa - a good core idea that is usable today but needs more
 development? Maybe AppleTV is just iPhone 1.0 and we haven't realized
 where it's going to go.
 
 There is one snag in the IoT when those are durable goods. Most devices
 are running about a 3-year life cycle but my fridge, TV and thermostat
 are expected to go much longer than that. So what happens to my iOS
 enabled fridge when iOS 15 comes out? TVs are really hitting commodity
 prices where margins are super thin so I doubt Apple would want to get
 into that space. It does make sense to have a removable brain (AppleTV)
 which I can just plug into the TV or upgrade when brain 2.0 comes out.
 That also means when the TV dies I can swap it without tossing the the
 brain with it. That was the idea behind having separate components in AV
 systems. If you had a TV with a DVD player in it and the player dies,
 then what?
 
 CB
 
 On 3/22/16 1:24 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
> They will sell new iPhones, the iPad is arguable at best.  Sales have
> almost tanked on iPads and let’s face it, the phone carries Apple when
> you consider just how much of it’s cash flow is on the phone
> exclusively.
> 
> And you m are good points but I counter with where has been anything
> in the last 5 years.  Ok larger screen, incrementally faster
> processors.  Apple didn’t do anything Samsung or the other guys
> haven’t done other than continuing to execute a design that was better
> to start but that’s only going to get them so far.  I agree it doesn’t
> have to be earth shattering overtime but once in the last 5 years
> would be nice.  The watch is a maybe but when that’s all you can point
> to that’s just sad.
> And I would disagree about the earth shattering / disruptive part.
> Ask a cab driver if his / her life has changed:).  I shorted a large
> hotel chain last year because it was about to get Air BnBed out of
> existence.:)  Excellent and well presented points though, definitely
> something to think about.
> 
> I hope I’m wrong by the way, I’d love to be blown away for years to
> come by Apple products.  I’m a big fan I just hope they can find their
> way again.
> 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 1:16 PM, John Panarese > > wrote:
>> 
>> I think people have to put this into perspective. There hasn’t been
>> any significant innovations by any company that has been earth
>> shattering. I think there is an expectation that people have that
>> Apple is going to release an actual time machine or a version of SIRI
>> that will do your laundry or make you coffee. Realistically, I don’t
>> think 

Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Scott Granados]

You make a good point, I did like Tim Cook’s opening speech.  That being said, 
our Government waited for the event to be over and then announced they no 
longer needed help cracking open the device.

Very interesting things going on in the background  I like your point though, 
aside from the opener the rest fell flat for me.


> On Mar 23, 2016, at 3:15 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hey Scott,
> 
> Yeah I have to agree,
> 
> I thought it was kind of overkill leading up to it and then a real let down 
> once over,
> 
> I thought more of Tim Cooks opening speech than the iPhone se and iPad 
> presentations.
> 
> I did like the sound of the TV OS updates, exept for the fact that NZ doesn't 
> yet have the Siri side of the apple tv gen 4 working with our systems.
> 
> So something great sounding that we have to look forward to.
> 
> Otherwise,
> I've got no concerns for watch straps.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 1:33 AM
> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
> Subject: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event
> 
> Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a total 
> waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my afternoon for 
> watch bands?
> 
> In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what others 
> thought, is it just me?
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Re: blue tooth headsets

[Ronald van Rhijn]

Max,
The Plantronics Marque 2 has a built in microphone for calling and Siri 
commands. .
Ronald

> Op 22 mrt. 2016, om 21:55 heeft 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  het volgende geschreven:
> 
> ronald does that also have a microphone or is seri picking up your voice 
> through its microphone. i'd really rather go with traditional ear phone type 
> instead of bone induction myself. thanks max 
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Ronald van Rhijn wrote:
> 
>> Just bought me a Plantronics Marque 2 (m165) single earpiece headset after 
>> looking at all the options.
>> I considered the Jawbone Era and Plantronics Edge as well, but the Jawbone 
>> models need to touch your jaw in order to function properly. Don’t know if 
>> this is part or full bone conduction , but didn’t want to have something to 
>> be on my face. The Plantronics Edge is larger than the Marque 2 and more 
>> expensive. The additional features of the Edge like noise cancelling and 
>> charge unit I don’t need. So I bought the Marque 2 and very satisfied with 
>> it where I use it for, some reading in public transit. The unit has some 
>> physical buttons for volume, on/off switch end multipurpose button for Siri, 
>> answering etc. The unit speaks when turning on how much talktime there is 
>> left, the pairing process, volume etc.  The Marque 2 costst about 50 euro.
>> Ronald
>> 
>> 
>>> Op 20 mrt. 2016, om 01:50 heeft Simon Fogarty  het 
>>> volgende geschreven:
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> 
>>> I've not tried the Plantronics legend but know it was a great device back 
>>> in  the day,
>>> 
>>> Would you still put it above the Edge?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> And I used one of the early era devices but at that point it's 
>>> accessibility wasn't great. Still it was an excellent device, 
>>> I just need to stop being so hard on headsets.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2016 4:53 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets
>>> 
>>> Max, your brother is misinformed.  Bluetooth is a series of specifications 
>>> that are standardized so aside some special features in general most things 
>>> work pretty well with each other.  There are headsets in general though 
>>> that work better than others.  This is one of the favorite topics of mine 
>>> and also the moderator’s Mark I believe.
>>> 
>>> In my mind there are two ways to go and there have been the 2 same players 
>>> on top for a while now.  There is the plantronics legend and the era by 
>>> jawbone.  The Jawbone is the most stylish / smallest headset and the 
>>> plantronics is the largest most utilitarian of the two.  Depends on what 
>>> your goal is.  If you want to look cool, have good noise reduction, medium 
>>> battery life and have the same toys as the cool kids buy a Jawbone.  If you 
>>> want your headset to work in all conditions, want fantastic noise 
>>> reduction, don’t care about the fact there’s a boom microphone and you need 
>>> great battery life then the plantronics voyager pro legend is the way to 
>>> go.  Hands down the plastrons works the best it’s just whether your concern 
>>> is mostly function or you want some style.
>>> 
>>> How’s that?
>>> 
>>> BTW I use the voyager pro legend almost exclusively now although I carry 
>>> both.  I find the plantronics just more stable and for my professional 
>>> calls and work environment the only option.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 18, 2016, at 2:53 AM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 hello; I'm wanting to buy a blue tooth headset to go with my iPhone. my 
 brother said that when he looked online he heard that a lot of them don't 
 work with the iPhone. so what would you all recommend? I may just need the 
 headphones because today i did a Skype call using my iPhone and the guy 
 was really impressed with the quality. thanks for your help, max 
 
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Scott Granados]

Well look it’s not entirely Microsoft’s fault.  I’ll be the first to bash the 
folks in Redmond but in this case the NFB had a lot to do with it as well.  
There were payoffs made by certain screen reader manufacturers to the NFB to 
have the NFB protest the creation of built in accessibility.  After all, Ted 
Henter doesn’t make any money if Apple and Microsoft give away screen readers 
for free.  You will also note there were several hit pieces against Apple 
written by the same organization.  It’s just Apple ignored them.

So Microsoft of course by now should do more but there’s history there.

Apple also always had a soft spot in a lot of us older blind folks heart 
because it was likely one of the first somewhat accessible computers we used.  
The Apple 2 series had all sorts of add on voice synthesis cards that started 
to open the door for us.  It’s how I started.


> On Mar 23, 2016, at 4:07 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> 
> Would you  say apple don't listen even though we can contact them when there 
> is an accessibility issue with a IOS or OSC system and they work quickly to 
> correct the issues.
> Full stop they have listened enough to give us accessible platforms out of 
> the box.
> What do Microsoft do for us?
> 
> They always leave it up to the third parties.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 7:37 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event
> 
> It’s really not in apple’s culture to listen to consumers.  Remember their 
> attitude is they come up with great products we can’t live with out.:)  
> Remember the antenna issue.  It wasn’t a flaw in the design it was the user 
> holding the phone the wrong way according to apple.
> 
> You hav ea good point that companies should listen to customers and generally 
> do well if they do but I never have thought of apple as being big listeners.  
> I could be wrong maybe others feel differently.  Apple though was always to 
> me that closed black box that just works and solves a problem I didn’t know i 
> had.
> 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> In all of this I wonder if consumers are not voices what they would
>> like Apple to develop directly to Apple. How can a product be
>> developed without a demand?
>> Vaughn
>> 
>> On 3/22/16, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>> Another perspective is that most people don't know a great thing
>>> until there are a few years of hindsight. I remember one of my
>>> co-workers got one of the very first iPhones and I couldn't figure
>>> out why. It was a battery hog, heavy and my little folding phone made calls 
>>> just as well.
>>> Who knew then what the trajectory would be? There is also 1.0
>>> iteration issues. The original Lisa was expensive, slow and buggy but
>>> they kept iterating on the basic strong bit of a more human-centered 
>>> interface.
>>> That eventually became the Mac and it's been pretty good since.
>>> Lessons learned from the Newton as well. So is today's Apple Watch
>>> just a Newton or Lisa - a good core idea that is usable today but
>>> needs more development? Maybe AppleTV is just iPhone 1.0 and we
>>> haven't realized where it's going to go.
>>> 
>>> There is one snag in the IoT when those are durable goods. Most
>>> devices are running about a 3-year life cycle but my fridge, TV and
>>> thermostat are expected to go much longer than that. So what happens
>>> to my iOS enabled fridge when iOS 15 comes out? TVs are really
>>> hitting commodity prices where margins are super thin so I doubt
>>> Apple would want to get into that space. It does make sense to have a
>>> removable brain (AppleTV) which I can just plug into the TV or upgrade when 
>>> brain 2.0 comes out.
>>> That also means when the TV dies I can swap it without tossing the
>>> the brain with it. That was the idea behind having separate
>>> components in AV systems. If you had a TV with a DVD player in it and
>>> the player dies, then what?
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 3/22/16 1:24 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
 They will sell new iPhones, the iPad is arguable at best.  Sales
 have almost tanked on iPads and let’s face it, the phone carries
 Apple when you consider just how much of it’s cash flow is on the phone 
 exclusively.
 
 And you m are good points but I counter with where has been anything
 in the last 5 years.  Ok larger screen, incrementally faster
 processors.  Apple didn’t do anything Samsung or the other guys
 haven’t done other than continuing to execute a design that was
 better to start but that’s only going to get them so far.  I agree
 it doesn’t have to be earth shattering overtime but once in the last
 5 years would be nice.  The watch is a maybe but when that’s all you
 can point to that’s just sad.
 And

Re: blue tooth headsets

[Scott Granados]

Ronald, you don’t find you need noise reduction on public transit and out and 
about?  I’m surprised. Glad you like the headset though, good suggestion and 
great price point.

> On Mar 22, 2016, at 3:23 PM, Ronald van Rhijn  wrote:
> 
> Just bought me a Plantronics Marque 2 (m165) single earpiece headset after 
> looking at all the options.
> I considered the Jawbone Era and Plantronics Edge as well, but the Jawbone 
> models need to touch your jaw in order to function properly. Don’t know if 
> this is part or full bone conduction , but didn’t want to have something to 
> be on my face. The Plantronics Edge is larger than the Marque 2 and more 
> expensive. The additional features of the Edge like noise cancelling and 
> charge unit I don’t need. So I bought the Marque 2 and very satisfied with it 
> where I use it for, some reading in public transit. The unit has some 
> physical buttons for volume, on/off switch end multipurpose button for Siri, 
> answering etc. The unit speaks when turning on how much talktime there is 
> left, the pairing process, volume etc.  The Marque 2 costst about 50 euro.
> Ronald
> 
> 
>> Op 20 mrt. 2016, om 01:50 heeft Simon Fogarty  het 
>> volgende geschreven:
>> 
>> Scott,
>> 
>> I've not tried the Plantronics legend but know it was a great device back in 
>>  the day,
>> 
>> Would you still put it above the Edge?
>> 
>> 
>> And I used one of the early era devices but at that point it's accessibility 
>> wasn't great. Still it was an excellent device,
>> I just need to stop being so hard on headsets.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2016 4:53 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets
>> 
>> Max, your brother is misinformed.  Bluetooth is a series of specifications 
>> that are standardized so aside some special features in general most things 
>> work pretty well with each other.  There are headsets in general though that 
>> work better than others.  This is one of the favorite topics of mine and 
>> also the moderator’s Mark I believe.
>> 
>> In my mind there are two ways to go and there have been the 2 same players 
>> on top for a while now.  There is the plantronics legend and the era by 
>> jawbone.  The Jawbone is the most stylish / smallest headset and the 
>> plantronics is the largest most utilitarian of the two.  Depends on what 
>> your goal is.  If you want to look cool, have good noise reduction, medium 
>> battery life and have the same toys as the cool kids buy a Jawbone.  If you 
>> want your headset to work in all conditions, want fantastic noise reduction, 
>> don’t care about the fact there’s a boom microphone and you need great 
>> battery life then the plantronics voyager pro legend is the way to go.  
>> Hands down the plastrons works the best it’s just whether your concern is 
>> mostly function or you want some style.
>> 
>> How’s that?
>> 
>> BTW I use the voyager pro legend almost exclusively now although I carry 
>> both.  I find the plantronics just more stable and for my professional calls 
>> and work environment the only option.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 2:53 AM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> hello; I'm wanting to buy a blue tooth headset to go with my iPhone. my 
>>> brother said that when he looked online he heard that a lot of them don't 
>>> work with the iPhone. so what would you all recommend? I may just need the 
>>> headphones because today i did a Skype call using my iPhone and the guy was 
>>> really impressed with the quality. thanks for your help, max
>>> 
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Re: blue tooth headsets

[Scott Granados]

To be clear, the jawbone does not * use * bone induction.  Not even close.  
There is a small censor that rests on your cheek / jawbone that is a noise 
gate.  When you speak one of the first things that happens before sound leaves 
your mouth is your jaw starts to move.  That movement triggers the censor which 
opens the noise gate and allows your voice in.  If you’re not speaking the 
noise gate is closed and sound isn’t picked up.  They use this a lot in 
military headsets for example helicopters and tanks.

Thanks

> On Mar 22, 2016, at 4:55 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> ronald does that also have a microphone or is seri picking up your voice 
> through its microphone. i'd really rather go with traditional ear phone type 
> instead of bone induction myself. thanks max
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Ronald van Rhijn wrote:
> 
>> Just bought me a Plantronics Marque 2 (m165) single earpiece headset after 
>> looking at all the options.
>> I considered the Jawbone Era and Plantronics Edge as well, but the Jawbone 
>> models need to touch your jaw in order to function properly. Don’t know if 
>> this is part or full bone conduction , but didn’t want to have something to 
>> be on my face. The Plantronics Edge is larger than the Marque 2 and more 
>> expensive. The additional features of the Edge like noise cancelling and 
>> charge unit I don’t need. So I bought the Marque 2 and very satisfied with 
>> it where I use it for, some reading in public transit. The unit has some 
>> physical buttons for volume, on/off switch end multipurpose button for Siri, 
>> answering etc. The unit speaks when turning on how much talktime there is 
>> left, the pairing process, volume etc.  The Marque 2 costst about 50 euro.
>> Ronald
>> 
>> 
>>> Op 20 mrt. 2016, om 01:50 heeft Simon Fogarty  het 
>>> volgende geschreven:
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> 
>>> I've not tried the Plantronics legend but know it was a great device back 
>>> in  the day,
>>> 
>>> Would you still put it above the Edge?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> And I used one of the early era devices but at that point it's 
>>> accessibility wasn't great. Still it was an excellent device,
>>> I just need to stop being so hard on headsets.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2016 4:53 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets
>>> 
>>> Max, your brother is misinformed.  Bluetooth is a series of specifications 
>>> that are standardized so aside some special features in general most things 
>>> work pretty well with each other.  There are headsets in general though 
>>> that work better than others.  This is one of the favorite topics of mine 
>>> and also the moderator’s Mark I believe.
>>> 
>>> In my mind there are two ways to go and there have been the 2 same players 
>>> on top for a while now.  There is the plantronics legend and the era by 
>>> jawbone.  The Jawbone is the most stylish / smallest headset and the 
>>> plantronics is the largest most utilitarian of the two.  Depends on what 
>>> your goal is.  If you want to look cool, have good noise reduction, medium 
>>> battery life and have the same toys as the cool kids buy a Jawbone.  If you 
>>> want your headset to work in all conditions, want fantastic noise 
>>> reduction, don’t care about the fact there’s a boom microphone and you need 
>>> great battery life then the plantronics voyager pro legend is the way to 
>>> go.  Hands down the plastrons works the best it’s just whether your concern 
>>> is mostly function or you want some style.
>>> 
>>> How’s that?
>>> 
>>> BTW I use the voyager pro legend almost exclusively now although I carry 
>>> both.  I find the plantronics just more stable and for my professional 
>>> calls and work environment the only option.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 18, 2016, at 2:53 AM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 hello; I'm wanting to buy a blue tooth headset to go with my iPhone. my 
 brother said that when he looked online he heard that a lot of them don't 
 work with the iPhone. so what would you all recommend? I may just need the 
 headphones because today i did a Skype call using my iPhone and the guy 
 was really impressed with the quality. thanks for your help, max
 
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Re: the 4-finger swipe

[Basioli George]

i just got off the phone with apple support acccessibility, and if you have 
apps in the app switcher running i.e. open he did the 4 finger swip with voice 
over running and it switched to the other app it worked perfect for him with v 
o running
> On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:15 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> but it's not a VoiceOver gesture, so it wouldn't be recognized there at all. 
> It's a universal gesture that works with or without VoiceOver being active. 
> In fact, the only place (other than on your Home screen) it likely would NOT 
> work is in Practice Mode, because that mode catches every gesture before iOS 
> can process it. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 07:43, Robert Hill  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, I guess I'll have to retract my statement about the four finger swipe, 
>> because when I tried just now, I had no luck" 
>> I went into accessibility setings' and the voiceover practice area, and lo 
>> and behold, the four finger swipe gesture was not recognized. 
>> 
>> Rats!
>> 
>> Bob Hill 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Bob's iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 6:45 AM, Robert Hill  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Rey and listers, 
>>> 
>>> I just tried the four-finger swipe on my iPhone 6 with 9.3, and it worked 
>>> just fine" 
>>> I did have to wait a bit for the apps to come into focus, but I was able to 
>>> cycle between messages, mail and NFB newsline. 
>>> 
>>> Bob Hill 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Bob's iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:25 AM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
 
 YOu sure the four finger swipe works on the iPhone 6 or 6+?  I guess it 
 must only work on the 6S and 6S+ because it sure doesn’t work for me on my 
 6+.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in
 
 Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
 
> On Mar 23, 2016, at 1:10 AM, Ben J Bloomgren  
> wrote:
> 
> Mary and all,
> 
> AppleVis has put up some tutorials as to the new features both in TVOS 
> 9.2 and iOS 9.3.
> 
> Ben
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:28 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I just tried before finger gesture for the first time when in mail. It 
>> flipped to Safari. First shot. There was a bit of a delay, but it work.
>> Mary
>> PS, running an iPhone 6s.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Jenine Stanley  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It allows you, from an open app, to move back and forth through your 
>>> other open apps as you would with the app switcher. Again, it’s not 
>>> something for which there is no other gesture or way to access but 
>>> something that’s pretty nifty and more like a multi-tasking feel if you 
>>> will. 
>>> 
>>> I was all over the 3D touch gesture when we got it to access the app 
>>> switcher and yes, it is or at least seems to be so far, much more 
>>> stable in 9.3. 
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 22, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Christina C.  
 wrote:
 
 what is it supposed to accomplish?
 
 
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Jenine Stanley 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is anyone else having trouble getting the 4-finger left and right 
> swipe gesture to work? I love the concept of what it’s supposed to do 
> but I can’t get it to work. 
> 
> I have a 6S and small hands but somehow the swipe just doesn’t work. 
> 
> It took me a while to get the 3-finger swipe to work though so maybe 
> I just need to go into the VO practice area for a while with it.
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
> 
> 
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Re: the 4-finger swipe

[Jenine Stanley]

You swipe left and right. I finally did get it to work but for me it’s going to 
take a fair amount of practice. It’s really cool when it works though because 
it just opens the previous or next app without going to the app switcher.
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



> On Mar 23, 2016, at 12:11 AM, Jed Barton  wrote:
> 
> so do you swipe up or down, left or right?
> 
> On 3/22/2016 3:28 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> I just tried before finger gesture for the first time when in mail. It 
>> flipped to Safari. First shot. There was a bit of a delay, but it work.
>> Mary
>> PS, running an iPhone 6s.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Jenine Stanley  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It allows you, from an open app, to move back and forth through your other 
>>> open apps as you would with the app switcher. Again, it’s not something for 
>>> which there is no other gesture or way to access but something that’s 
>>> pretty nifty and more like a multi-tasking feel if you will.
>>> 
>>> I was all over the 3D touch gesture when we got it to access the app 
>>> switcher and yes, it is or at least seems to be so far, much more stable in 
>>> 9.3.
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 22, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Christina C.  wrote:
 
 what is it supposed to accomplish?
 
 
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Jenine Stanley  
> wrote:
> 
> Is anyone else having trouble getting the 4-finger left and right swipe 
> gesture to work? I love the concept of what it’s supposed to do but I 
> can’t get it to work.
> 
> I have a 6S and small hands but somehow the swipe just doesn’t work.
> 
> It took me a while to get the 3-finger swipe to work though so maybe I 
> just need to go into the VO practice area for a while with it.
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
> 
> 
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Re: Anyone install OS X 10.11.4?

[Devin Prater]

I've not noticed any difference in Alex for the Mac. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 23, 2016, at 2:09 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ray,
> 
> I fully agree,
> 
> I've only been using macs for a few years because I needed to learn them for 
> work.
> 
> Now I'm one of the 5 people my office come to when they have mac issues and I 
> do most of the machine reinsatllations for my team and that's from start to  
> finish with a reconfiguration 
> And as I'm the only with sight issues, people can't figure out how we do it 
> without being able to see.
> 
> 
> I so wish ms would setup an installation system like apple have.-Original 
> Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret jr
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 1:30 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Anyone install OS X 10.11.4?
> 
> Let me make one thing perfectly clear.  I have done a clean install with the 
> latest update and no problems what so ever.  Do not be fooled in to thinking 
> that you, as a blind Mac user, cannot cleanly install the OS without sighted 
> assistance.  This is one of the major selling points that drew me away from 
> windows and to the Mac back in  2009.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a very happy Mac, Verizon 
> Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 5:20 AM, William Gallik  wrote:
>> 
>> As a totally blind user, I'm asking if it would still be prudent to do a 
>> clean install with the latest version of OSX rather than an update?
>> 
>> I am still on Yosemite with my Mac Mini, a friend who is also totally blind 
>> had her cited husband execute an update and she is having no problems. 
>> However, I have to wonder if the fact that he could see what he was doing 
>> made it feasible for him to react to any information or questions on the 
>> screen that someone was totally blind would not be able to react to.
>> 
>> – Bill & Leader Dog Holland
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Want to know who's cracking the iPhone for the feds?

[Scott Granados]

Read more here

http://bgr.com/2016/03/23/apple-vs-fbi-crack-iphone-encryption/

Looks like Cellebrite is to blame.

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Re: Anyone install OS X 10.11.4?

[Terje Strømberg]

On mac, do i need to do some settings to get the best quality Alex voice?

Take care

> 23. mar. 2016 kl. 13.56 skrev Devin Prater :
> 
> I've not noticed any difference in Alex for the Mac. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 2:09 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ray,
>> 
>> I fully agree,
>> 
>> I've only been using macs for a few years because I needed to learn them for 
>> work.
>> 
>> Now I'm one of the 5 people my office come to when they have mac issues and 
>> I do most of the machine reinsatllations for my team and that's from start 
>> to  finish with a reconfiguration 
>> And as I'm the only with sight issues, people can't figure out how we do it 
>> without being able to see.
>> 
>> 
>> I so wish ms would setup an installation system like apple 
>> have.-Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret jr
>> Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 1:30 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Anyone install OS X 10.11.4?
>> 
>> Let me make one thing perfectly clear.  I have done a clean install with the 
>> latest update and no problems what so ever.  Do not be fooled in to thinking 
>> that you, as a blind Mac user, cannot cleanly install the OS without sighted 
>> assistance.  This is one of the major selling points that drew me away from 
>> windows and to the Mac back in  2009.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a very happy Mac, Verizon 
>> Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 5:20 AM, William Gallik  wrote:
>>> 
>>> As a totally blind user, I'm asking if it would still be prudent to do a 
>>> clean install with the latest version of OSX rather than an update?
>>> 
>>> I am still on Yosemite with my Mac Mini, a friend who is also totally blind 
>>> had her cited husband execute an update and she is having no problems. 
>>> However, I have to wonder if the fact that he could see what he was doing 
>>> made it feasible for him to react to any information or questions on the 
>>> screen that someone was totally blind would not be able to react to.
>>> 
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
The only new thing to me was the Iphone SE or what its called.
I always wanted a 4 inch iphone with the same processor as the 6s.
/A
> On 22 Mar 2016, at 13:32, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a total 
> waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my afternoon for 
> watch bands?
> 
> In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what others 
> thought, is it just me?
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Scott Granados]

It sounds like a lot more people were interested in the 4 inch phone than I 
thought.

Not sure it needed a full on event to roll out but maybe Apple will have a hit 
on it’s hands based on the response.

> On Mar 23, 2016, at 9:40 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> The only new thing to me was the Iphone SE or what its called.
> I always wanted a 4 inch iphone with the same processor as the 6s.
> /A
>> On 22 Mar 2016, at 13:32, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a total 
>> waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my afternoon 
>> for watch bands?
>> 
>> In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what others 
>> thought, is it just me?
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Re: Anyone install OS X 10.11.4?

[Ray Foret jr]

No.  Alex just loads automatically.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

> On Mar 23, 2016, at 8:19 AM, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
> 
> On mac, do i need to do some settings to get the best quality Alex voice?
> 
> Take care
> 
>> 23. mar. 2016 kl. 13.56 skrev Devin Prater :
>> 
>> I've not noticed any difference in Alex for the Mac. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 2:09 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ray,
>>> 
>>> I fully agree,
>>> 
>>> I've only been using macs for a few years because I needed to learn them 
>>> for work.
>>> 
>>> Now I'm one of the 5 people my office come to when they have mac issues and 
>>> I do most of the machine reinsatllations for my team and that's from start 
>>> to  finish with a reconfiguration 
>>> And as I'm the only with sight issues, people can't figure out how we do it 
>>> without being able to see.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I so wish ms would setup an installation system like apple 
>>> have.-Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret jr
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 1:30 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Anyone install OS X 10.11.4?
>>> 
>>> Let me make one thing perfectly clear.  I have done a clean install with 
>>> the latest update and no problems what so ever.  Do not be fooled in to 
>>> thinking that you, as a blind Mac user, cannot cleanly install the OS 
>>> without sighted assistance.  This is one of the major selling points that 
>>> drew me away from windows and to the Mac back in  2009.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a very happy Mac, Verizon 
>>> Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
 On Mar 22, 2016, at 5:20 AM, William Gallik  wrote:
 
 As a totally blind user, I'm asking if it would still be prudent to do a 
 clean install with the latest version of OSX rather than an update?
 
 I am still on Yosemite with my Mac Mini, a friend who is also totally 
 blind had her cited husband execute an update and she is having no 
 problems. However, I have to wonder if the fact that he could see what he 
 was doing made it feasible for him to react to any information or 
 questions on the screen that someone was totally blind would not be able 
 to react to.
 
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Re: setting margins in either textedit or pages

[Phil Halton]

It's a good reference book for pages, well worth the price. IMO

Sent from my IPhone


> On Mar 23, 2016, at 7:12 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Jim,
> 
> In TextEdit, there are preset tab stops but they don’t change the actual 
> margin.
> In Pages, you should create a new paragraph style with the Left and First 
> indents set to the value you want.
> 
> All this and more is explained in our book on Pages which you can purchase 
> for $35 US here:
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 23 Mar 2016, at 10:31, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all!
>> Is there a way to set temporary margins in Text Edit, for instance if I am 
>> typing a paragraph at the left margin then if I want the next few lines to 
>> be indented 10 spaces or so is this doable in Text Edit?I thought there was 
>> a ruler just like in pages but can't find it and don't know how to use it If 
>> I do find it.
>> 
>> And in pages I can set margins but then when it comes time to make other 
>> margin changes inside a document how do I manipulate the ruler to change the 
>> margins and then to read the position so I know if my settings have taken 
>> effect.
>> Thanks,
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Re: Anyone install OS X 10.11.4?

[Mike Arrigo]

I doon't noticce any differences either. The biggest issue I'm still 
noticing which has been in El Capitan from the beginning is, in Safari, 
when typing text in to an edit field, pressing vo+l to read the current 
line does not work.

Original message:
I was hoping that some web-related accessibility bugs would have been 
resolved, but they're still present.

e.g. contentEditables and treeviews are still broken as ever with VoiceOver.


On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 5:31 AM Ray Foret jr > wrote:



Honestly, not that I can tell. It seems to be more responsive and I 
suspect that they’ve knocked out the toxic character string. Let’s hope 
we don’t have to take a chance and find out.



Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the 
blind built-in



Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!



On Mar 22, 2016, at 5:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:



Does it sound any different though Audibly?
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Subject: Re: Anyone install OS X 10.11.4?
They have pushed out a new update to Alex in this version. I am 
guessing that this is a response to the crashes we all know about from 
fatal character strings which we reported to them.



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blind built-in



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On Mar 21, 2016, at 10:50 PM, Kevin Chao > wrote:


http://applevis.com/blog/apple-mac-os-x-news/apple-releases-os-x-el-capitan-10114-bug-fixes-and-enhancements 


Have others noticed any other VoiceOver improvements?
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Re: the 4-finger swipe

[E.T.]

   Works on the iPhone 5 too.

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On 3/23/2016 2:25 AM, Ray Foret jr wrote:

YOu sure the four finger swipe works on the iPhone 6 or 6+?  I guess it must 
only work on the 6S and 6S+ because it sure doesn’t work for me on my 6+.


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On Mar 23, 2016, at 1:10 AM, Ben J Bloomgren  wrote:

Mary and all,

AppleVis has put up some tutorials as to the new features both in TVOS 9.2 and 
iOS 9.3.

Ben

On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:28 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

I just tried before finger gesture for the first time when in mail. It flipped 
to Safari. First shot. There was a bit of a delay, but it work.
Mary
PS, running an iPhone 6s.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:

It allows you, from an open app, to move back and forth through your other open 
apps as you would with the app switcher. Again, it’s not something for which 
there is no other gesture or way to access but something that’s pretty nifty 
and more like a multi-tasking feel if you will.

I was all over the 3D touch gesture when we got it to access the app switcher 
and yes, it is or at least seems to be so far, much more stable in 9.3.
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com




On Mar 22, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Christina C.  wrote:

what is it supposed to accomplish?



On Mar 22, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:

Is anyone else having trouble getting the 4-finger left and right swipe gesture 
to work? I love the concept of what it’s supposed to do but I can’t get it to 
work.

I have a 6S and small hands but somehow the swipe just doesn’t work.

It took me a while to get the 3-finger swipe to work though so maybe I just 
need to go into the VO practice area for a while with it.
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[E.T.]

   Steve Jobs is dead and buried, let him RIP. The only constant in 
life is change. Like it or not, that is a proven fact.


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On 3/23/2016 1:03 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

But how do we know what we want until we see it in a Hollywood movie?

  Steve Jobbs pulled apple out of trouble  back in the 90's when he came back.
Since then they have lead the way with a lot of the IT development in personal 
devices phones, computers  and tablets,

  Unless they find another forward thinker like Jobbs then they are really only 
updating existing technology with better specifications

What about an apple notebook with a touch screan running either of osx or IOS 
but a full keyboard
Along the lines of a mac book air but with a touch screan.


An apple tv that is a tv screan like we know but say thin enough you can roll 
it up
The apple car would be great, but again that will take a lot more work than 
just the car.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Vaughn Brown
Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 7:34 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

In all of this I wonder if consumers are not voices what they would like Apple 
to develop directly to Apple. How can a product be developed without a demand?
Vaughn

On 3/22/16, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries  
wrote:

Another perspective is that most people don't know a great thing until
there are a few years of hindsight. I remember one of my co-workers
got one of the very first iPhones and I couldn't figure out why. It
was a battery hog, heavy and my little folding phone made calls just as well.
Who knew then what the trajectory would be? There is also 1.0
iteration issues. The original Lisa was expensive, slow and buggy but
they kept iterating on the basic strong bit of a more human-centered interface.
That eventually became the Mac and it's been pretty good since.
Lessons learned from the Newton as well. So is today's Apple Watch
just a Newton or Lisa - a good core idea that is usable today but
needs more development? Maybe AppleTV is just iPhone 1.0 and we
haven't realized where it's going to go.

There is one snag in the IoT when those are durable goods. Most
devices are running about a 3-year life cycle but my fridge, TV and
thermostat are expected to go much longer than that. So what happens
to my iOS enabled fridge when iOS 15 comes out? TVs are really hitting
commodity prices where margins are super thin so I doubt Apple would
want to get into that space. It does make sense to have a removable
brain (AppleTV) which I can just plug into the TV or upgrade when brain 2.0 
comes out.
That also means when the TV dies I can swap it without tossing the the
brain with it. That was the idea behind having separate components in
AV systems. If you had a TV with a DVD player in it and the player
dies, then what?

CB

On 3/22/16 1:24 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

They will sell new iPhones, the iPad is arguable at best.  Sales have
almost tanked on iPads and let’s face it, the phone carries Apple
when you consider just how much of it’s cash flow is on the phone exclusively.

And you m are good points but I counter with where has been anything
in the last 5 years.  Ok larger screen, incrementally faster
processors.  Apple didn’t do anything Samsung or the other guys
haven’t done other than continuing to execute a design that was
better to start but that’s only going to get them so far.  I agree it
doesn’t have to be earth shattering overtime but once in the last 5
years would be nice.  The watch is a maybe but when that’s all you
can point to that’s just sad.
And I would disagree about the earth shattering / disruptive part.
  Ask a cab driver if his / her life has changed:).  I shorted a large
hotel chain last year because it was about to get Air BnBed out of
existence.:)  Excellent and well presented points though, definitely
something to think about.

I hope I’m wrong by the way, I’d love to be blown away for years to
come by Apple products.  I’m a big fan I just hope they can find
their way again.



On Mar 22, 2016, at 1:16 PM, John Panarese mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I think people have to put this into perspective. There hasn’t been
any significant innovations by any company that has been earth
shattering. I think there is an expectation that people have that
Apple is going to release an actual time machine or a version of
SIRI that will do your laundry or make you coffee. Realistically, I
don’t think we’re going to have any major jump in technology for
some time to come, so if you think every Apple event or Google event
or Microsoft event is going to present something so truly awesome,
you probably will be left a bit disappointed. We might see minor
jumps here and there, but the curve is going to b

Re: the 4-finger swipe

[Traci Duncan]

I love this gesture!  :)  I thought I’d point out, that yes, we swipe left or 
right, but your 4 fingers can be vertical or horizontal.  I just opened 3 apps 
& tried this.  For me, having my 4 fingers vertical is a lot easier & more 
comfortable on the slender 6s screen.

HTH, Traci

> On Mar 23, 2016, at 8:08 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Works on the iPhone 5 too.
> 
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> 
> On 3/23/2016 2:25 AM, Ray Foret jr wrote:
>> YOu sure the four finger swipe works on the iPhone 6 or 6+?  I guess it must 
>> only work on the 6S and 6S+ because it sure doesn’t work for me on my 6+.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 1:10 AM, Ben J Bloomgren  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mary and all,
>>> 
>>> AppleVis has put up some tutorials as to the new features both in TVOS 9.2 
>>> and iOS 9.3.
>>> 
>>> Ben
 On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:28 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 I just tried before finger gesture for the first time when in mail. It 
 flipped to Safari. First shot. There was a bit of a delay, but it work.
 Mary
 PS, running an iPhone 6s.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Jenine Stanley  
> wrote:
> 
> It allows you, from an open app, to move back and forth through your 
> other open apps as you would with the app switcher. Again, it’s not 
> something for which there is no other gesture or way to access but 
> something that’s pretty nifty and more like a multi-tasking feel if you 
> will.
> 
> I was all over the 3D touch gesture when we got it to access the app 
> switcher and yes, it is or at least seems to be so far, much more stable 
> in 9.3.
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Christina C.  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> what is it supposed to accomplish?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Jenine Stanley  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is anyone else having trouble getting the 4-finger left and right swipe 
>>> gesture to work? I love the concept of what it’s supposed to do but I 
>>> can’t get it to work.
>>> 
>>> I have a 6S and small hands but somehow the swipe just doesn’t work.
>>> 
>>> It took me a while to get the 3-finger swipe to work though so maybe I 
>>> just need to go into the VO practice area for a while with it.
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: blue tooth headsets

[Ronald van Rhijn]

Hi Scott,

Works pretty well for me, must have the volume turned up high though. Unless it 
has some noise cancelling after all… Dont know for sure.

Ronald
 
> Op 23 mrt. 2016, om 13:33 heeft Scott Granados  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> Ronald, you don’t find you need noise reduction on public transit and out and 
> about?  I’m surprised. Glad you like the headset though, good suggestion and 
> great price point.
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 3:23 PM, Ronald van Rhijn  wrote:
>> 
>> Just bought me a Plantronics Marque 2 (m165) single earpiece headset after 
>> looking at all the options.
>> I considered the Jawbone Era and Plantronics Edge as well, but the Jawbone 
>> models need to touch your jaw in order to function properly. Don’t know if 
>> this is part or full bone conduction , but didn’t want to have something to 
>> be on my face. The Plantronics Edge is larger than the Marque 2 and more 
>> expensive. The additional features of the Edge like noise cancelling and 
>> charge unit I don’t need. So I bought the Marque 2 and very satisfied with 
>> it where I use it for, some reading in public transit. The unit has some 
>> physical buttons for volume, on/off switch end multipurpose button for Siri, 
>> answering etc. The unit speaks when turning on how much talktime there is 
>> left, the pairing process, volume etc.  The Marque 2 costst about 50 euro.
>> Ronald
>> 
>> 
>>> Op 20 mrt. 2016, om 01:50 heeft Simon Fogarty  het 
>>> volgende geschreven:
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> 
>>> I've not tried the Plantronics legend but know it was a great device back 
>>> in  the day,
>>> 
>>> Would you still put it above the Edge?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> And I used one of the early era devices but at that point it's 
>>> accessibility wasn't great. Still it was an excellent device,
>>> I just need to stop being so hard on headsets.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2016 4:53 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets
>>> 
>>> Max, your brother is misinformed.  Bluetooth is a series of specifications 
>>> that are standardized so aside some special features in general most things 
>>> work pretty well with each other.  There are headsets in general though 
>>> that work better than others.  This is one of the favorite topics of mine 
>>> and also the moderator’s Mark I believe.
>>> 
>>> In my mind there are two ways to go and there have been the 2 same players 
>>> on top for a while now.  There is the plantronics legend and the era by 
>>> jawbone.  The Jawbone is the most stylish / smallest headset and the 
>>> plantronics is the largest most utilitarian of the two.  Depends on what 
>>> your goal is.  If you want to look cool, have good noise reduction, medium 
>>> battery life and have the same toys as the cool kids buy a Jawbone.  If you 
>>> want your headset to work in all conditions, want fantastic noise 
>>> reduction, don’t care about the fact there’s a boom microphone and you need 
>>> great battery life then the plantronics voyager pro legend is the way to 
>>> go.  Hands down the plastrons works the best it’s just whether your concern 
>>> is mostly function or you want some style.
>>> 
>>> How’s that?
>>> 
>>> BTW I use the voyager pro legend almost exclusively now although I carry 
>>> both.  I find the plantronics just more stable and for my professional 
>>> calls and work environment the only option.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 18, 2016, at 2:53 AM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 hello; I'm wanting to buy a blue tooth headset to go with my iPhone. my 
 brother said that when he looked online he heard that a lot of them don't 
 work with the iPhone. so what would you all recommend? I may just need the 
 headphones because today i did a Skype call using my iPhone and the guy 
 was really impressed with the quality. thanks for your help, max
 
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Re: blue tooth headsets

[Ronald van Rhijn]

Scott,

Thanks for the clearification! The name Jawbone is a little bit misleading.  
I still dont want to be bothered to keep the sensor on my jaw or cheek. 
How does it look like,  how long is such divice as the Era?

Ronald



> Op 23 mrt. 2016, om 13:35 heeft Scott Granados  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> To be clear, the jawbone does not * use * bone induction.  Not even close.  
> There is a small censor that rests on your cheek / jawbone that is a noise 
> gate.  When you speak one of the first things that happens before sound 
> leaves your mouth is your jaw starts to move.  That movement triggers the 
> censor which opens the noise gate and allows your voice in.  If you’re not 
> speaking the noise gate is closed and sound isn’t picked up.  They use this a 
> lot in military headsets for example helicopters and tanks.
> 
> Thanks
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 4:55 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> ronald does that also have a microphone or is seri picking up your voice 
>> through its microphone. i'd really rather go with traditional ear phone type 
>> instead of bone induction myself. thanks max
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Ronald van Rhijn wrote:
>> 
>>> Just bought me a Plantronics Marque 2 (m165) single earpiece headset after 
>>> looking at all the options.
>>> I considered the Jawbone Era and Plantronics Edge as well, but the Jawbone 
>>> models need to touch your jaw in order to function properly. Don’t know if 
>>> this is part or full bone conduction , but didn’t want to have something to 
>>> be on my face. The Plantronics Edge is larger than the Marque 2 and more 
>>> expensive. The additional features of the Edge like noise cancelling and 
>>> charge unit I don’t need. So I bought the Marque 2 and very satisfied with 
>>> it where I use it for, some reading in public transit. The unit has some 
>>> physical buttons for volume, on/off switch end multipurpose button for 
>>> Siri, answering etc. The unit speaks when turning on how much talktime 
>>> there is left, the pairing process, volume etc.  The Marque 2 costst about 
>>> 50 euro.
>>> Ronald
>>> 
>>> 
 Op 20 mrt. 2016, om 01:50 heeft Simon Fogarty  het 
 volgende geschreven:
 
 Scott,
 
 I've not tried the Plantronics legend but know it was a great device back 
 in  the day,
 
 Would you still put it above the Edge?
 
 
 And I used one of the early era devices but at that point it's 
 accessibility wasn't great. Still it was an excellent device,
 I just need to stop being so hard on headsets.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
 Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2016 4:53 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets
 
 Max, your brother is misinformed.  Bluetooth is a series of specifications 
 that are standardized so aside some special features in general most 
 things work pretty well with each other.  There are headsets in general 
 though that work better than others.  This is one of the favorite topics 
 of mine and also the moderator’s Mark I believe.
 
 In my mind there are two ways to go and there have been the 2 same players 
 on top for a while now.  There is the plantronics legend and the era by 
 jawbone.  The Jawbone is the most stylish / smallest headset and the 
 plantronics is the largest most utilitarian of the two.  Depends on what 
 your goal is.  If you want to look cool, have good noise reduction, medium 
 battery life and have the same toys as the cool kids buy a Jawbone.  If 
 you want your headset to work in all conditions, want fantastic noise 
 reduction, don’t care about the fact there’s a boom microphone and you 
 need great battery life then the plantronics voyager pro legend is the way 
 to go.  Hands down the plastrons works the best it’s just whether your 
 concern is mostly function or you want some style.
 
 How’s that?
 
 BTW I use the voyager pro legend almost exclusively now although I carry 
 both.  I find the plantronics just more stable and for my professional 
 calls and work environment the only option.
 
 
> On Mar 18, 2016, at 2:53 AM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> hello; I'm wanting to buy a blue tooth headset to go with my iPhone. my 
> brother said that when he looked online he heard that a lot of them don't 
> work with the iPhone. so what would you all recommend? I may just need 
> the headphones because today i did a Skype call using my iPhone and the 
> guy was really impressed with the quality. thanks for your help, max
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Re: blue tooth headsets

[Scott Granados]

So jawbone is actually a pretty good name because it pings your jawbone to 
detect activity.  Most people are not aware of bone conduction.  Out side of 
our community the military is probably the only user.

In later versions of the jawbone like the Era the censor is not absolutely 
required.  It does work better using the censor but you don’t necessarily have 
to use it.

As far it’s appearance, very small. Shaped like the old jawbone but if you 
haven’t seen one it’s a small stylized shape with a piece that fits in your ear 
and then a piece that sits on your cheek bone or jawbone. The whole deal is 
about an inch long if that an half inch wide.  Weight is only a few grams.


> On Mar 23, 2016, at 12:10 PM, Ronald van Rhijn  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> 
> Thanks for the clearification! The name Jawbone is a little bit misleading.
> I still dont want to be bothered to keep the sensor on my jaw or cheek.
> How does it look like,  how long is such divice as the Era?
> 
> Ronald
> 
> 
> 
>> Op 23 mrt. 2016, om 13:35 heeft Scott Granados  het 
>> volgende geschreven:
>> 
>> To be clear, the jawbone does not * use * bone induction.  Not even close.  
>> There is a small censor that rests on your cheek / jawbone that is a noise 
>> gate.  When you speak one of the first things that happens before sound 
>> leaves your mouth is your jaw starts to move.  That movement triggers the 
>> censor which opens the noise gate and allows your voice in.  If you’re not 
>> speaking the noise gate is closed and sound isn’t picked up.  They use this 
>> a lot in military headsets for example helicopters and tanks.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 4:55 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> ronald does that also have a microphone or is seri picking up your voice 
>>> through its microphone. i'd really rather go with traditional ear phone 
>>> type instead of bone induction myself. thanks max
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Ronald van Rhijn wrote:
>>> 
 Just bought me a Plantronics Marque 2 (m165) single earpiece headset after 
 looking at all the options.
 I considered the Jawbone Era and Plantronics Edge as well, but the Jawbone 
 models need to touch your jaw in order to function properly. Don’t know if 
 this is part or full bone conduction , but didn’t want to have something 
 to be on my face. The Plantronics Edge is larger than the Marque 2 and 
 more expensive. The additional features of the Edge like noise cancelling 
 and charge unit I don’t need. So I bought the Marque 2 and very satisfied 
 with it where I use it for, some reading in public transit. The unit has 
 some physical buttons for volume, on/off switch end multipurpose button 
 for Siri, answering etc. The unit speaks when turning on how much talktime 
 there is left, the pairing process, volume etc.  The Marque 2 costst about 
 50 euro.
 Ronald
 
 
> Op 20 mrt. 2016, om 01:50 heeft Simon Fogarty  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> Scott,
> 
> I've not tried the Plantronics legend but know it was a great device back 
> in  the day,
> 
> Would you still put it above the Edge?
> 
> 
> And I used one of the early era devices but at that point it's 
> accessibility wasn't great. Still it was an excellent device,
> I just need to stop being so hard on headsets.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2016 4:53 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets
> 
> Max, your brother is misinformed.  Bluetooth is a series of 
> specifications that are standardized so aside some special features in 
> general most things work pretty well with each other.  There are headsets 
> in general though that work better than others.  This is one of the 
> favorite topics of mine and also the moderator’s Mark I believe.
> 
> In my mind there are two ways to go and there have been the 2 same 
> players on top for a while now.  There is the plantronics legend and the 
> era by jawbone.  The Jawbone is the most stylish / smallest headset and 
> the plantronics is the largest most utilitarian of the two.  Depends on 
> what your goal is.  If you want to look cool, have good noise reduction, 
> medium battery life and have the same toys as the cool kids buy a 
> Jawbone.  If you want your headset to work in all conditions, want 
> fantastic noise reduction, don’t care about the fact there’s a boom 
> microphone and you need great battery life then the plantronics voyager 
> pro legend is the way to go.  Hands down the plastrons works the best 
> it’s just whether your concern is mostly function or you want some style.
> 
> How’s that?
> 
> BTW I use the voyager pro legend a

Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

This gets tricky. Sure consumers can provide lots of useful feedback for 
things that should work but have bugs or tweaks to an existing product. 
For something revolutionary I won't know I like it until it actually 
exists and I can try it. Who knew a touch screen UI could be so useful? 
I was plenty happy with my old folding phone with real buttons. This is 
where consumer feedback can't really help. A company like Apple needs to 
recognize where the technology is heading and then figure out how to 
apply it to solve a point of pain in many people's lives. I may have 
told this story before but I remember arguing with a Vax mainframe admin 
years ago because he felt using the CPU to operate a full-screen text 
editor was wasting precious CPU cycles and people should just learn to 
use command-line substitutions to edit text. Obviously it turned out 
over time that people were far more valuable than CPU cycles. "Wasting" 
them on making things easier eventually always trumps. So what could you 
do if unlimited CPU cycles and bandwidth were fre? I think musicians 
have had to deal with some of this. Used to be you had to get everything 
done in one take with just a four-track tape recorder, a few mics and a 
few instrument. Now days, what can you do with a hundred tracks where 
you can punch in and out a flubbed phrase or play a synth that can 
reproduce nearly any instrument? It makes it hard to decide what to do 
next - the paradox of choice. I'm hoping the really smart folks at Apple 
have figured this out. With an infinite blank page in front of them, 
what story do they write next?


CB

On 3/22/16 2:34 PM, Vaughn Brown wrote:

In all of this I wonder if consumers are not voices what they would
like Apple to develop directly to Apple. How can a product be
developed without a demand?
Vaughn

On 3/22/16, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:

Another perspective is that most people don't know a great thing until
there are a few years of hindsight. I remember one of my co-workers got
one of the very first iPhones and I couldn't figure out why. It was a
battery hog, heavy and my little folding phone made calls just as well.
Who knew then what the trajectory would be? There is also 1.0 iteration
issues. The original Lisa was expensive, slow and buggy but they kept
iterating on the basic strong bit of a more human-centered interface.
That eventually became the Mac and it's been pretty good since. Lessons
learned from the Newton as well. So is today's Apple Watch just a Newton
or Lisa - a good core idea that is usable today but needs more
development? Maybe AppleTV is just iPhone 1.0 and we haven't realized
where it's going to go.

There is one snag in the IoT when those are durable goods. Most devices
are running about a 3-year life cycle but my fridge, TV and thermostat
are expected to go much longer than that. So what happens to my iOS
enabled fridge when iOS 15 comes out? TVs are really hitting commodity
prices where margins are super thin so I doubt Apple would want to get
into that space. It does make sense to have a removable brain (AppleTV)
which I can just plug into the TV or upgrade when brain 2.0 comes out.
That also means when the TV dies I can swap it without tossing the the
brain with it. That was the idea behind having separate components in AV
systems. If you had a TV with a DVD player in it and the player dies,
then what?

CB

On 3/22/16 1:24 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

They will sell new iPhones, the iPad is arguable at best.  Sales have
almost tanked on iPads and let’s face it, the phone carries Apple when
you consider just how much of it’s cash flow is on the phone exclusively.

And you m are good points but I counter with where has been anything
in the last 5 years.  Ok larger screen, incrementally faster
processors.  Apple didn’t do anything Samsung or the other guys
haven’t done other than continuing to execute a design that was better
to start but that’s only going to get them so far.  I agree it doesn’t
have to be earth shattering overtime but once in the last 5 years
would be nice.  The watch is a maybe but when that’s all you can point
to that’s just sad.
And I would disagree about the earth shattering / disruptive part.
  Ask a cab driver if his / her life has changed:).  I shorted a large
hotel chain last year because it was about to get Air BnBed out of
existence.:)  Excellent and well presented points though, definitely
something to think about.

I hope I’m wrong by the way, I’d love to be blown away for years to
come by Apple products.  I’m a big fan I just hope they can find their
way again.



On Mar 22, 2016, at 1:16 PM, John Panarese mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I think people have to put this into perspective. There hasn’t been
any significant innovations by any company that has been earth
shattering. I think there is an expectation that people have that
Apple is going to release an actual time machine or a version of SIRI
that will do your laundry or make you 

Re: blue tooth headsets

[Kayaker]

Hi,

I absolutely do not believe this bone conduction thing. I have a pair of the 
Blues as well, and there is no change in sound quality if I pull the headset 
apart enough so that nothing touches my face. Try it yourself and tell me if 
you notice a difference. That said, the speakers blasting and bleeding sound 
out in front of your ears do allow you to hear both your device and ambient 
sound. But true bone conduction will have no bleeding. Excellent hands on 
exhibit at the Exploratorium in SF on this. Actually, it’s more of a teeth on 
exhibit.

—k
Faith doesn’t give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the 
questions.


On Mar 21, 2016, at 9:39 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

> I absolutely swear by mine, yes.  OK, there may be a little bit of leakage, 
> but they're bone induction, so give them some credit.  You're never gonna 
> *totally!* get rid of that.  Compared to the 1st generation though, the Bluez 
> 2S model is really great, and has improved this quite significantly.
> 
> As for the newer model, I think it's called the Treck? Don't quote me on that 
> title though, it's only available in selected markets from what I understand, 
> but I hear it is unbelievable.  I've never seen one though, so I can't really 
> comment.  Knowing though what I do about their products, I'd strongly 
> recommend trying it.
> 
> The only thing really that I would say I have totally against Aftershokz, is 
> though their customer service is great in general, don't expect them to keep 
> their promises in a timely manor!
> 
> When I broke my tention band strap, they said they'd send me a replacement, 
> which yes, they did, but oh what a mes!  First, they said they'd send it 
> over-night, and wouldn't charge me for it, nor shipping, which of course, 
> they didn't, but over night turned into about a month and a half before I got 
> the dad blame thing.  And when I did, it was the wrong strap.  I was so angry 
> for the wait, and for the time it took, I sent them photos of the wrong strap 
> they sent, and photos of my broken strap, and demanded that they over-night 
> it again correctly, and not delay things.
> 
> They not only told me the unit had been shipped out, but they even went so 
> far as to tell me it was estimated to arrive in half a week, which I later 
> determined that they not even shipped it to start with, let alone knew the 
> delivery date.  Once I got a rep on the phone to spill that confession, I 
> asked for a supervisor to call me back.  I told them if I didn't hear back 
> within 24 hours max, I'd be putting a bad review up on my blog, Amazon, their 
> own web site, etc.
> 
> This time, they complied.  Within about half a day, I heard from a manager.  
> Though very very short and terse with me, you could tell he didn't want to be 
> in this position, he asked what could be done to make things right.  I told 
> him, I only have the 1st generation headset.  Send me the 2nd gen on the 
> house over-nighted.  No charge to me at all for shipping, nor for the actual 
> headset itself.  He was very hesitant, but he did it.
> 
> Granted, I didn't get it over night as he promised.  It took about 3 weeks.
> 
> My point being, you'd be better off buying their stuff through Amazon, or a 
> 3rd party reseller.  The products themselves are steller!  Absolutely killer! 
>  I'd never ask for anythying else, but that said, their phone support is 
> absolutely horrible, and frankly, I'd not trust those guys there at the 
> headquarters call center as far as I could throw 'em.
> 
> Still though, don't let that turn you off from the product itself.  And, if 
> you ever did need a replacement, or something, I never said the people there 
> wouldn't help you.  They will, but just know, it won't be quick, that's for 
> sure.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 7:35 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets
> 
> I always forget about that option.  I’veneer tried them as i’ve heard about 
> issues with build quality and the like but it may be worth considering.  
> Sounds like you like yours.
> 
>> On Mar 20, 2016, at 6:17 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Why not look into the Aftershokz lineup?  I swear by mine!
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
>> - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets
>> 
>> 
>> Yes, the edge is still the best headset in my opinion.  It amazes me how 
>> long both headsets have been out with no replacement.
>> 
>>> On Mar 19, 2016, at 8:50 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> 
>>> I've not tried the Plantronics legend but know it was a great device 
>>> 

Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

I was downgrading my main Mac to Yosemite at the time of the event, and had to 
catch up using the Apple Keynotes podcast.  There were exactly two things I got 
out of the address:

1.  The Mac is dead.  The iPad Pro is clearly set to kill it, and Apple wants 
to be in the driver’s seat when that happens.  And:

2.  Downgrade to Yosemite.  It’s a better use of your time than watching these 
things.  For the probable reason see point 1 above.  OS X gets buggier and 
buggier and you only notice by downgrading.  Sad.

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Re: the 4-finger swipe

[Sandra E. Finley]

 I like this gesture. It enables you to move from app to app without wearing 
out your home button.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 23, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> I love this gesture!  :)  I thought I’d point out, that yes, we swipe left or 
> right, but your 4 fingers can be vertical or horizontal.  I just opened 3 
> apps & tried this.  For me, having my 4 fingers vertical is a lot easier & 
> more comfortable on the slender 6s screen.
> 
> HTH, Traci
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 8:08 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  Works on the iPhone 5 too.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>>> On 3/23/2016 2:25 AM, Ray Foret jr wrote:
>>> YOu sure the four finger swipe works on the iPhone 6 or 6+?  I guess it 
>>> must only work on the 6S and 6S+ because it sure doesn’t work for me on my 
>>> 6+.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
 On Mar 23, 2016, at 1:10 AM, Ben J Bloomgren  
 wrote:
 
 Mary and all,
 
 AppleVis has put up some tutorials as to the new features both in TVOS 9.2 
 and iOS 9.3.
 
 Ben
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:28 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I just tried before finger gesture for the first time when in mail. It 
> flipped to Safari. First shot. There was a bit of a delay, but it work.
> Mary
> PS, running an iPhone 6s.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Jenine Stanley  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> It allows you, from an open app, to move back and forth through your 
>> other open apps as you would with the app switcher. Again, it’s not 
>> something for which there is no other gesture or way to access but 
>> something that’s pretty nifty and more like a multi-tasking feel if you 
>> will.
>> 
>> I was all over the 3D touch gesture when we got it to access the app 
>> switcher and yes, it is or at least seems to be so far, much more stable 
>> in 9.3.
>> Jenine Stanley
>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Christina C.  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> what is it supposed to accomplish?
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 22, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Jenine Stanley  
 wrote:
 
 Is anyone else having trouble getting the 4-finger left and right 
 swipe gesture to work? I love the concept of what it’s supposed to do 
 but I can’t get it to work.
 
 I have a 6S and small hands but somehow the swipe just doesn’t work.
 
 It took me a while to get the 3-finger swipe to work though so maybe I 
 just need to go into the VO practice area for a while with it.
 Jenine Stanley
 dragonwalke...@gmail.com
 
 
 
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Re: the 4-finger swipe

[Jenine Stanley]

Thanks for whoever mentioned you can do this gesture vertically or 
horizontally. Vertically is easier but it’s still intermittant for me on the 6S

Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



> On Mar 23, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Sandra E. Finley  wrote:
> 
> I like this gesture. It enables you to move from app to app without wearing 
> out your home button.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> 
>> I love this gesture!  :)  I thought I’d point out, that yes, we swipe left 
>> or right, but your 4 fingers can be vertical or horizontal.  I just opened 3 
>> apps & tried this.  For me, having my 4 fingers vertical is a lot easier & 
>> more comfortable on the slender 6s screen.
>> 
>> HTH, Traci
>> 
>>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 8:08 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Works on the iPhone 5 too.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
 On 3/23/2016 2:25 AM, Ray Foret jr wrote:
 YOu sure the four finger swipe works on the iPhone 6 or 6+?  I guess it 
 must only work on the 6S and 6S+ because it sure doesn’t work for me on my 
 6+.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in
 
 Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
 
> On Mar 23, 2016, at 1:10 AM, Ben J Bloomgren  
> wrote:
> 
> Mary and all,
> 
> AppleVis has put up some tutorials as to the new features both in TVOS 
> 9.2 and iOS 9.3.
> 
> Ben
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:28 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I just tried before finger gesture for the first time when in mail. It 
>> flipped to Safari. First shot. There was a bit of a delay, but it work.
>> Mary
>> PS, running an iPhone 6s.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Jenine Stanley  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It allows you, from an open app, to move back and forth through your 
>>> other open apps as you would with the app switcher. Again, it’s not 
>>> something for which there is no other gesture or way to access but 
>>> something that’s pretty nifty and more like a multi-tasking feel if you 
>>> will.
>>> 
>>> I was all over the 3D touch gesture when we got it to access the app 
>>> switcher and yes, it is or at least seems to be so far, much more 
>>> stable in 9.3.
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 22, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Christina C.  
 wrote:
 
 what is it supposed to accomplish?
 
 
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Jenine Stanley 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is anyone else having trouble getting the 4-finger left and right 
> swipe gesture to work? I love the concept of what it’s supposed to do 
> but I can’t get it to work.
> 
> I have a 6S and small hands but somehow the swipe just doesn’t work.
> 
> It took me a while to get the 3-finger swipe to work though so maybe 
> I just need to go into the VO practice area for a while with it.
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
> 
> 
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RE: something weird with ibooks on ios 9.3

[M. Taylor]

Okay, Because this may effect others, I am going to cross post this.

After reading this thread, I discovered that there appears to be a bug in
iBooks iOS 9.3.

When the Purchases Tab is activated, in iBooks, the display changes to a
list view as follows:

Updates, Books, then Audio Books.

If one selects one of these items, for example Audio Books, a secondary list
view describing categories such as All Books, Recent Purchases, Business,
Fiction, etc is displayed.  

It is this secondary list that is currently inaccessible via VoiceOver.
However, if one disables VoiceOver, then selects one of these secondary list
items, then re-enables VoiceOver, the resulting lists of titles is VoiceOver
accessible.

So, please join me in reporting this bug to Apple.

I hope this helps.

Mark

Original Message:

Hi everyone,
I use ios 9.3 with voiceover speech no zoom. I cant seem to review my
purchased books. I go to my purchases within ibooks and then select books
and then books not on my iphone bu tnothing results while i know books
should be there. Anyone else experiencing this?

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iOS 9.3 Native Camera App Zoom Is Still Not VoiceOver Accessible

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

I am cross-posting this notice.

To my dismay, I can confirm that the iOS 9.3 native camera app zoom is still
not voiceOver accessible.

This feature has not been VoiceOver accessible since iOS 8.1.3, if memory
serves.  

In order to zoom in on an image, one has to first disable VoiceOver then,
zoom to the desired amount, then, without dismissing the camera app,
re-enable VoiceOver, then take the shot.  

It could be worse, I suppose.  At one time, during one of the beta cycles,
re-enabling VoiceOver actually cancelled the zoom, altogether.

Mark

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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Anders Holmberg]

HI!
I believe the apple car when i see it.
/A
> 22 mars 2016 kl. 16:17 skrev E.T. :
> 
>   Would the Apple Cart not be blazing new trails? (smiles)
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 3/22/2016 7:23 AM, Rich Ring wrote:
>> I couldn’t agree more! Apple has set amazing standards, but they are not
>> blazing new trails any longer.
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 7:32 AM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a
>>> total waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my
>>> afternoon for watch bands?
>>> 
>>> In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what
>>> others thought, is it just me?
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>> www.the-phoenix.net  Sent from my Mac Book Air
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I totally agree with you.
You know this is just human nature i think. We are borned vain and thats how it 
gonna be until judgement day.
/A
> 22 mars 2016 kl. 16:42 skrev Jenine Stanley :
> 
> I really think in terms of these presentaitons that we consumers are our own 
> worst enemy. We now *expect* big things, in March, in June from WWDC and then 
> again in September/October. 
> 
> I’m reeling a bit just thinking about iPhone 7 possibly this fall. I just got 
> a 6s. I know that the new phone plans where you pay each month and can get 
> the latest and greatest phone are becoming the thing but at some point I’m 
> afraid we’ll get to that stage where we can’t be impressed by anything unless 
> it shocks us or is hitting us with the force of short time spans. I hope that 
> made sense. 
> 
> Maybe the Spring Event for Apple needs to be toned down. Maybe they don’t 
> necessarily need to have one. 
> 
> Was I hoping for more? Yes, but more detail, not more new and innovative. 
> 
> For those who feel Apple isn’t blazing trails anymore, what trails? How do we 
> know this? Just because they aren’t publicly saying anything about projects 
> doesn’t mean they aren’t happening. That goes for any company. 
> 
> I guess my htought on the event as a whole is that it was what it was and 
> over-analyzing, which we all are guilty of in this 24-hour news cycle world, 
> can only lead to disappointment…unless Apple sends me that space Black 
> Milanese Loop band for saying this. 
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Jenny Wood > > wrote:
>> 
>> I didn’t take time out of my day to monitor the event, but I am kinda glad I 
>> didn’t hold off on buying the Apple Watch back at Christmas, when the 
>> predictions were that a new version would be released this spring. 
>> 
>> --
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>> Phone: (972 989-3894
>> Email: kc5...@gmail.com 
>> Facebook/Twitter: KC5GNI
>> “I’m the kid who has this habit of dreaming,
>>  Sometimes gets me in trouble too.
>>  But the truth is,
>>  I could no more stop dreaming,
>>  Than I could make them all come true.”
>>  — “The Kid” Buddy Mondlock
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 7:32 AM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a total 
>>> waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my afternoon 
>>> for watch bands?
>>> 
>>> In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what others 
>>> thought, is it just me?
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[E.T.]

   I just took a quick look on the web and did not see any reference to 
the iPad Pro replacing the Mac. What Tim Cook may have suggested was 
that the new iPad Pro would do in Windows. Sounds like typical 
competition to me.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 3/23/2016 11:47 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

I was downgrading my main Mac to Yosemite at the time of the event, and had to 
catch up using the Apple Keynotes podcast.  There were exactly two things I got 
out of the address:

1.  The Mac is dead.  The iPad Pro is clearly set to kill it, and Apple wants 
to be in the driver’s seat when that happens.  And:

2.  Downgrade to Yosemite.  It’s a better use of your time than watching these 
things.  For the probable reason see point 1 above.  OS X gets buggier and 
buggier and you only notice by downgrading.  Sad.



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Re: Anyone install OS X 10.11.4?

[Denise Barajas]

I've installed it, but I don't see mch of a difference. the only thing that is 
currently odd is that VO sometimes goes from speaking through my internal 
speakers from the USB. It's every so offten, so I'll try and flip VO off and on 
again to see if that fixes the issue. blessings to all.
> On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:56 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> I've not noticed any difference in Alex for the Mac. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 2:09 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ray,
>> 
>> I fully agree,
>> 
>> I've only been using macs for a few years because I needed to learn them for 
>> work.
>> 
>> Now I'm one of the 5 people my office come to when they have mac issues and 
>> I do most of the machine reinsatllations for my team and that's from start 
>> to  finish with a reconfiguration 
>> And as I'm the only with sight issues, people can't figure out how we do it 
>> without being able to see.
>> 
>> 
>> I so wish ms would setup an installation system like apple 
>> have.-Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret jr
>> Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 1:30 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Anyone install OS X 10.11.4?
>> 
>> Let me make one thing perfectly clear.  I have done a clean install with the 
>> latest update and no problems what so ever.  Do not be fooled in to thinking 
>> that you, as a blind Mac user, cannot cleanly install the OS without sighted 
>> assistance.  This is one of the major selling points that drew me away from 
>> windows and to the Mac back in  2009.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a very happy Mac, Verizon 
>> Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 5:20 AM, William Gallik  wrote:
>>> 
>>> As a totally blind user, I'm asking if it would still be prudent to do a 
>>> clean install with the latest version of OSX rather than an update?
>>> 
>>> I am still on Yosemite with my Mac Mini, a friend who is also totally blind 
>>> had her cited husband execute an update and she is having no problems. 
>>> However, I have to wonder if the fact that he could see what he was doing 
>>> made it feasible for him to react to any information or questions on the 
>>> screen that someone was totally blind would not be able to react to.
>>> 
>>> – Bill & Leader Dog Holland
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Re: Anyone install OS X 10.11.4?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Any new braille features.
/A
> 23 mars 2016 kl. 13:56 skrev Devin Prater :
> 
> I've not noticed any difference in Alex for the Mac. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 2:09 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ray,
>> 
>> I fully agree,
>> 
>> I've only been using macs for a few years because I needed to learn them for 
>> work.
>> 
>> Now I'm one of the 5 people my office come to when they have mac issues and 
>> I do most of the machine reinsatllations for my team and that's from start 
>> to  finish with a reconfiguration 
>> And as I'm the only with sight issues, people can't figure out how we do it 
>> without being able to see.
>> 
>> 
>> I so wish ms would setup an installation system like apple 
>> have.-Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret jr
>> Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 1:30 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Anyone install OS X 10.11.4?
>> 
>> Let me make one thing perfectly clear.  I have done a clean install with the 
>> latest update and no problems what so ever.  Do not be fooled in to thinking 
>> that you, as a blind Mac user, cannot cleanly install the OS without sighted 
>> assistance.  This is one of the major selling points that drew me away from 
>> windows and to the Mac back in  2009.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a very happy Mac, Verizon 
>> Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 5:20 AM, William Gallik  wrote:
>>> 
>>> As a totally blind user, I'm asking if it would still be prudent to do a 
>>> clean install with the latest version of OSX rather than an update?
>>> 
>>> I am still on Yosemite with my Mac Mini, a friend who is also totally blind 
>>> had her cited husband execute an update and she is having no problems. 
>>> However, I have to wonder if the fact that he could see what he was doing 
>>> made it feasible for him to react to any information or questions on the 
>>> screen that someone was totally blind would not be able to react to.
>>> 
>>> – Bill & Leader Dog Holland
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Re: Anyone install OS X 10.11.4?

[syc20099]

I have installed it on my Mac, personally I do not see any difference, but 
maybe perhaps they solved under the hood. I heard live photos will be 
available, but I am not sure.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 23, 2016, at 4:17 PM, Denise Barajas  wrote:
> 
> I've installed it, but I don't see mch of a difference. the only thing that 
> is currently odd is that VO sometimes goes from speaking through my internal 
> speakers from the USB. It's every so offten, so I'll try and flip VO off and 
> on again to see if that fixes the issue. blessings to all.
>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:56 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> I've not noticed any difference in Alex for the Mac. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 2:09 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ray,
>>> 
>>> I fully agree,
>>> 
>>> I've only been using macs for a few years because I needed to learn them 
>>> for work.
>>> 
>>> Now I'm one of the 5 people my office come to when they have mac issues and 
>>> I do most of the machine reinsatllations for my team and that's from start 
>>> to  finish with a reconfiguration 
>>> And as I'm the only with sight issues, people can't figure out how we do it 
>>> without being able to see.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I so wish ms would setup an installation system like apple 
>>> have.-Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret jr
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 1:30 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Anyone install OS X 10.11.4?
>>> 
>>> Let me make one thing perfectly clear.  I have done a clean install with 
>>> the latest update and no problems what so ever.  Do not be fooled in to 
>>> thinking that you, as a blind Mac user, cannot cleanly install the OS 
>>> without sighted assistance.  This is one of the major selling points that 
>>> drew me away from windows and to the Mac back in  2009.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a very happy Mac, Verizon 
>>> Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
 On Mar 22, 2016, at 5:20 AM, William Gallik  wrote:
 
 As a totally blind user, I'm asking if it would still be prudent to do a 
 clean install with the latest version of OSX rather than an update?
 
 I am still on Yosemite with my Mac Mini, a friend who is also totally 
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Re: iOS 9.3 Native Camera App Zoom Is Still Not VoiceOver Accessible

[syc20099]

I was thinking maybe zoom on the roter  settings will help

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 23, 2016, at 3:13 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I am cross-posting this notice.
> 
> To my dismay, I can confirm that the iOS 9.3 native camera app zoom is still
> not voiceOver accessible.
> 
> This feature has not been VoiceOver accessible since iOS 8.1.3, if memory
> serves.  
> 
> In order to zoom in on an image, one has to first disable VoiceOver then,
> zoom to the desired amount, then, without dismissing the camera app,
> re-enable VoiceOver, then take the shot.  
> 
> It could be worse, I suppose.  At one time, during one of the beta cycles,
> re-enabling VoiceOver actually cancelled the zoom, altogether.
> 
> Mark
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Re: Anyone install OS X 10.11.4?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Well, if you can actually get to the point where VO says interacting with edit 
text, then vo-L will work.

Tested on the full gmail site, by typing “/line nav” and then doing interact 
with until I heard interact with text edit. Those funky combo boxes like on the 
google home page don’t seem to work no matter what you try.


Best wishes,

Jonathan



> On 23 Mar 2016, at 10:43, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> I doon't noticce any differences either. The biggest issue I'm still noticing 
> which has been in El Capitan from the beginning is, in Safari, when typing 
> text in to an edit field, pressing vo+l to read the current line does not 
> work.
> Original message:
>> I was hoping that some web-related accessibility bugs would have been 
>> resolved, but they're still present.
>> e.g. contentEditables and treeviews are still broken as ever with VoiceOver.
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 5:31 AM Ray Foret jr > > wrote:
> 
> 
>> Honestly, not that I can tell. It seems to be more responsive and I suspect 
>> that they’ve knocked out the toxic character string. Let’s hope we don’t 
>> have to take a chance and find out.
> 
> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 5:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland > > wrote:
> 
>> Does it sound any different though Audibly?
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>> - Original Message -
>> From: Ray Foret jr 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 5:58 AM
>> Subject: Re: Anyone install OS X 10.11.4?
>> They have pushed out a new update to Alex in this version. I am guessing 
>> that this is a response to the crashes we all know about from fatal 
>> character strings which we reported to them.
> 
> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
> 
>> On Mar 21, 2016, at 10:50 PM, Kevin Chao > > wrote:
> 
>> http://applevis.com/blog/apple-mac-os-x-news/apple-releases-os-x-el-capitan-10114-bug-fixes-and-enhancements
>>  
>> 
>> Have others noticed any other VoiceOver improvements?
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I haven’t heard the event yet.  Is there a new watch coming out yet?
> On 23 Mar 2016, at 18:47, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I was downgrading my main Mac to Yosemite at the time of the event, and had 
> to catch up using the Apple Keynotes podcast.  There were exactly two things 
> I got out of the address:
> 
> 1.  The Mac is dead.  The iPad Pro is clearly set to kill it, and Apple wants 
> to be in the driver’s seat when that happens.  And:
> 
> 2.  Downgrade to Yosemite.  It’s a better use of your time than watching 
> these things.  For the probable reason see point 1 above.  OS X gets buggier 
> and buggier and you only notice by downgrading.  Sad.
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One not so busy Macintosh.

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

I had my speedy new MacBook Air (I actually called it speedy), start going into 
slow state whenever I opened a menu item or switched / added a window. The 
performance steady degraded the more it was used.

Thanks to some wonderful help from the accessibility desk, not only is my 
computer responding again, but now I have a path to resolve the issues myself.

One thing I did lose unexpectedly was my mail signatures.

Take care,

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Re: something weird with ibooks on ios 9.3

[Helga Schreiber]

Hi, This is Helga! Thanks so much fo rletting me know! I don't usually use 
iBooks, but I was thinking in using it in the future! And i currently have IOS 
9.3. So I will try to contact apple regardin gthis! Who do I contact in ordr to 
fix this issue? I'm just wondering! I look forward in hearing from you soon. 
Thanks and God bless!!

Helga Schreiber 

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Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.2.1  

> On Mar 23, 2016, at 3:44 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Okay, Because this may effect others, I am going to cross post this.
> 
> After reading this thread, I discovered that there appears to be a bug in
> iBooks iOS 9.3.
> 
> When the Purchases Tab is activated, in iBooks, the display changes to a
> list view as follows:
> 
> Updates, Books, then Audio Books.
> 
> If one selects one of these items, for example Audio Books, a secondary list
> view describing categories such as All Books, Recent Purchases, Business,
> Fiction, etc is displayed.  
> 
> It is this secondary list that is currently inaccessible via VoiceOver.
> However, if one disables VoiceOver, then selects one of these secondary list
> items, then re-enables VoiceOver, the resulting lists of titles is VoiceOver
> accessible.
> 
> So, please join me in reporting this bug to Apple.
> 
> I hope this helps.
> 
> Mark
> 
> Original Message:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> I use ios 9.3 with voiceover speech no zoom. I cant seem to review my
> purchased books. I go to my purchases within ibooks and then select books
> and then books not on my iphone bu tnothing results while i know books
> should be there. Anyone else experiencing this?
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Re: One not so busy Macintosh.

[E.T.]

   Was it any one thing or a combination of things? Since I installed 
El Cap (was not quite a true clean install) I experience some anomalies 
and may actually do a clean install which I am not looking forward to.


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On 3/23/2016 2:32 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:

I had my speedy new MacBook Air (I actually called it speedy), start going into 
slow state whenever I opened a menu item or switched / added a window. The 
performance steady degraded the more it was used.

Thanks to some wonderful help from the accessibility desk, not only is my 
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One thing I did lose unexpectedly was my mail signatures.

Take care,

Jonathan Cohn
Best wishes,

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Re: something weird with ibooks on ios 9.3

[Mary Otten]

accessibil...@apple.com.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 23, 2016, at 2:32 PM, Helga Schreiber  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi, This is Helga! Thanks so much fo rletting me know! I don't usually use 
> iBooks, but I was thinking in using it in the future! And i currently have 
> IOS 9.3. So I will try to contact apple regardin gthis! Who do I contact in 
> ordr to fix this issue? I'm just wondering! I look forward in hearing from 
> you soon. Thanks and God bless!!
> 
> Helga Schreiber 
> 
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
> Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
> Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com 
> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.2.1  
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 3:44 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Okay, Because this may effect others, I am going to cross post this.
>> 
>> After reading this thread, I discovered that there appears to be a bug in
>> iBooks iOS 9.3.
>> 
>> When the Purchases Tab is activated, in iBooks, the display changes to a
>> list view as follows:
>> 
>> Updates, Books, then Audio Books.
>> 
>> If one selects one of these items, for example Audio Books, a secondary list
>> view describing categories such as All Books, Recent Purchases, Business,
>> Fiction, etc is displayed.  
>> 
>> It is this secondary list that is currently inaccessible via VoiceOver.
>> However, if one disables VoiceOver, then selects one of these secondary list
>> items, then re-enables VoiceOver, the resulting lists of titles is VoiceOver
>> accessible.
>> 
>> So, please join me in reporting this bug to Apple.
>> 
>> I hope this helps.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> Original Message:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> I use ios 9.3 with voiceover speech no zoom. I cant seem to review my
>> purchased books. I go to my purchases within ibooks and then select books
>> and then books not on my iphone bu tnothing results while i know books
>> should be there. Anyone else experiencing this?
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Re: One not so busy Macintosh.

[Jonathan Cohn]

First thing you need to do is see if the slowness   is related to an account or 
to the entire computer. Create or use a second account for an hour and see if 
performance lags in that account too.  If it does, then I would suggest you try 
a diagnostic check which probably needs to be done sighted. To do a diagnostic 
check, hold down “D” while booting. (Computer must be newer than 2012 for this 
to work). I have never tried this, so I have no additional details.

In my case, we cleaned out four things and I have not fully broght all services 
back into place so I don’t know the direct culprit.

1. Goto login items in System Settings (Users and Groups). Remove all programs 
except the speech synthesis server (this is VoiceOver).
 
2. Goto ~/Library and move  everything in the LaunchAgents directory to a safe 
place.

3. remove the folder Saved Application State from the Library Directory. This 
is the settings that ensures when you re-open a program it looks the same as 
when you left it. (Same open files etcetera)

4. Logout of iCloud and delete everything it asks you if you want to delete.

Finally reboot and make sure the checkbox about restoring windows is unchecked.

Personally I think just cleaning out Saved Application State and logging out 
and in to iCloud was probably all that was needed.

 “
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On 23 Mar 2016, at 17:37, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Was it any one thing or a combination of things? Since I installed El Cap 
> (was not quite a true clean install) I experience some anomalies and may 
> actually do a clean install which I am not looking forward to.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 3/23/2016 2:32 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
>> I had my speedy new MacBook Air (I actually called it speedy), start going 
>> into slow state whenever I opened a menu item or switched / added a window. 
>> The performance steady degraded the more it was used.
>> 
>> Thanks to some wonderful help from the accessibility desk, not only is my 
>> computer responding again, but now I have a path to resolve the issues 
>> myself.
>> 
>> One thing I did lose unexpectedly was my mail signatures.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Hotspot number 3

[Jonathan Cohn]

So if shift 2 is not @ how do you create e-mail address? If you type vo-@ will 
that create a hotspot?


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> On 21 Mar 2016, at 10:11, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> On my mac its hotspot number 2 that does not work.
> But if i change to English US it works like a charm.
> I use the swedish keyboard and yes i told them all that stuf.
> /A
>> On 18 Mar 2016, at 09:12, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>> Did you explain to the accessibility team that they had to set the keyboard 
>> to British to show up this bug?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 17 Mar 2016, at 21:08, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> This is something the accessibility team can not reproduce so it wont be 
>>> fixed sadly.
>>> I have been in contact with them about it a couple of times but all i get 
>>> back is bullshit.
>>> /A
 15 mars 2016 kl. 14:53 skrev Peter Bosher :
 
 Hi All,
 
 I'm fairly new to Mac OS but starting to get productive.  I love the 
 hot-spot function, but have a bizarre glitch.   I can assign hot-spots to 
 keys on the number row, all except for the number 3. I've tried a range of 
 scenarios, but when I press VO-shift num-row 3 I just get an error beep.  
 Is there a known reason/fix for this please?
 
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Advise: Ipad Pro

[Joanne Chua]

Hi all,

I'm recently in need for an ipad pro for mobile one-to-one or a small
group presentations.

I'm looking on the ipad pro 9.7 and the ipad pro 12.9.

For the screen wise, I do prefer the 12.9" screen, however, I do like
the specification for the ipad pro 9.7".

For those that have both ipad air and ipad pro, what do you find it
advantages and disadvantages between one and another? Is ipad pro 12.9
too bulky for traveling and mobile base presentation?

At the moment, I do have an imac that is my desktop, and a 15.6"
window laptop as mobile computing devise.

I look forward for comments and suggestion.

PS: will be interested on either the 128gb or the 256gb model.

Thanks very much

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Re: Changing e-mail from All Messages to most recent 150 in Pop3 Gmail account on iPhone 6 running iOS9.X

[Jonathan Cohn]

I believe this is a setting in Google configurations. Are you sure your new 
phone is still using POP? The IMAP protocol has been in more favour recently 
since it will keep everything in sync. 

Perhaps if you delete your gmail account, disable IMAP service from the Gmail 
settings and then re-add your account to the phone everything will work as you 
want.


Best wishes,

Jonathan



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> guys,
> 
> I’m sorry if the subject line isn’t clear.  It used to be that my Gmail 
> account, which is a Pop3 on my iPhone, used to only download the most recent 
> 150 messages, or so.  When I upgraded from my iPhone 4, running iOS 6.x, to 
> my iPhone 6, running iOS 8 and then 9, my Pop3 account changed so that tens 
> of thousands of e-mails were downloaded to my phone.  Space is not an issue.  
> but I really wish I could change this so that it works the way my iPhone 4 
> used to.  that is, I only want 150 messages, or less, on my phone unless I 
> choose to “see more.”  Can this be changed?
> 
> Sorry if I already posted this.  
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Re: VMWare tips

[Ramy Moustafa]

It's working thanks so much

On 3/15/16, E.T.  wrote:
> Command E, with Windows not running. Find the Processors and Memory
> button. There you can change how much memory to split between Windows
> and OS X.
>
> Do not forget that there is also a menu item for VMware on the menu
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> On 3/15/2016 1:24 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> SIr Phil and all:
>>
>> so sorry for this,
>> i got confused by the keys that are in different places. so sorry,
>> it's working alt tap is ok
>>
>> but before starting windows on vmware, i need to change the ram that
>> my windows is using. i hit command comma, but i can't find anyting
>> related to ram memory.
>> i even hit vo+shift+m but can not find anything, can anyone give me
>> steps please?
>>
>> so sorry but am new in your world.
>> thanks
>>
>>
>> On 3/15/16, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>> Remy, you are not pressing alt tab, you are evidently pressing command
>>> tab.
>>> You have to determine which of your keys is actually the alt key in
>>> windows.
>>> This will depend on how you have set up your VM. In my case the option
>>> key
>>> serves as the alt key in windows, And the command key serves as the
>>> windows
>>> logo key.
>>>   Sent from my IPhone
>>>
>>>
 On Mar 15, 2016, at 6:03 AM, Ramy Moustafa 
 wrote:

 heello all:
 here are some extra questions concerning Vmware:
 am using here vmware v7.
 my question is that: when i'm inside  windows, i can not move bitween
 varius opened windows,, using alt tap move me bitween the vmware and
 my mac,, so, if i open multiple windows, how can i navigate bitween
 them? even if i'm installing an app, i can not find the window for
 installing.
 thanks


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>> On 3/11/2016 7:59 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> Ok but must i enable or disable any other things?
>> And if i increase the ram? Will it affect my mac if not using the
>> vmware?
>>
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> Musicc instructor at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 11, 2016, at 5:08 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>>
>>> Ramy,
>>>Suggest you open VMware settings for your Windows VM and explore.
>>> VNware is set up with defaults which of course you can change. The
>>> defaults are just a starting point.
>>>
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 On 3/11/2016 5:51 AM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
 Helo all:
 am using El capitan and VMware v7.3
 I notice that the VMware is using just 2 gb of my 8 gb ram. why is
 this?
 and how can I extend this?
 and are there any tips for adjusting the VMware itself? I found
 many
 options inside  it's preferences? if you have any suggestions
 please
 share.
 also, if ii will upgrade to VMware 8, will I lose my windows or
 not?
 Thanks in advance.
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Using dropbox with Vmware

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello all:

I depend on dropbox app on all my home and work,
and now I'm using my MacBook pro, running VMware with windows 7,  I
try installing the dropbox on my VMware widnows, but could not sign
in, don't know why,
so I decided to install it on the mac os,.
but I have a question:
how can I see the dropbox folder in both mac and windows?
also, how can I change the dropbox folder place inside the mac os?
thanks


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Re: One not so busy Macintosh.

[E.T.]

   Alright I cam try these ideas. from easiest to hardest. I have a 
2012 so probably cannot use diagnostics.


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On 3/23/2016 4:00 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

First thing you need to do is see if the slowness   is related to an account or 
to the entire computer. Create or use a second account for an hour and see if 
performance lags in that account too.  If it does, then I would suggest you try 
a diagnostic check which probably needs to be done sighted. To do a diagnostic 
check, hold down “D” while booting. (Computer must be newer than 2012 for this 
to work). I have never tried this, so I have no additional details.

In my case, we cleaned out four things and I have not fully broght all services 
back into place so I don’t know the direct culprit.

1. Goto login items in System Settings (Users and Groups). Remove all programs 
except the speech synthesis server (this is VoiceOver).

2. Goto ~/Library and move  everything in the LaunchAgents directory to a safe 
place.

3. remove the folder Saved Application State from the Library Directory. This 
is the settings that ensures when you re-open a program it looks the same as 
when you left it. (Same open files etcetera)

4. Logout of iCloud and delete everything it asks you if you want to delete.

Finally reboot and make sure the checkbox about restoring windows is unchecked.

Personally I think just cleaning out Saved Application State and logging out 
and in to iCloud was probably all that was needed.

  “
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn




On 23 Mar 2016, at 17:37, E.T.  wrote:

   Was it any one thing or a combination of things? Since I installed El Cap 
(was not quite a true clean install) I experience some anomalies and may 
actually do a clean install which I am not looking forward to.

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On 3/23/2016 2:32 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:

I had my speedy new MacBook Air (I actually called it speedy), start going into 
slow state whenever I opened a menu item or switched / added a window. The 
performance steady degraded the more it was used.

Thanks to some wonderful help from the accessibility desk, not only is my 
computer responding again, but now I have a path to resolve the issues myself.

One thing I did lose unexpectedly was my mail signatures.

Take care,

Jonathan Cohn
Best wishes,

Jonathan





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Re: Automating Macintosh book.

[Jonathan Cohn]

Well, just tips and tricks to make jobs easier on the Macintosh. It is not 
supposed to be for programmers. 

The Sample chapter available on the Website, which is the only one I have read 
talks about using tags and spotlight to find work you need.

They suggest for example that when you save a recipe on your computer that you 
add tags perhaps one tag for each primary ingredient and then one tag called 
recipes. 

You can then use smart folders or spotlight to find all chicken recipes with 
garlic.

There are also coupons at the end of the book for a few automation tools like 
text expander. 

What I hope to be able to do is to do some of the same kinds of wI would love 
to be able to for example on Numbers have a program that recognises that a 
specific column is a row total and be able to do a hot key to read that total.

Another personal grievance I have right now is my banking site has a bunch of 
buttons between the amount column and the merchant field. In some screen 
reader, I could mark that merchant field as being a row header and then be able 
to quickly follow my money tracks. I have not found a way to do this with a 
Website on  a Macintosh.

I
f you can reduce a daily activity that takes 5 minutes to just one or two by 
creating macros or tools you have saved 25 hours in a year!

Best wishes,

Jonathan



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> Hi!
> Well what is this automating all about?
> Thanks.
> /A
>> On 20 Mar 2016, at 18:04, -  wrote:
>> 
>> Include me on your new list please.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, 20 Mar 2016, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>> 
>>> Currently only Scott has replied to this message. We have decided to go off 
>>> list with this discussion. So if you are interested in participating please 
>>> send me a direct e-mail.
>>> 
>>> Obviously for copy right information, I would not feel comfortable 
>>> discussing details on list, but discoveries along the way of which tools 
>>> are VO usable and probably a summary of how much additional work a VO user 
>>> would need will be provided to the list.
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 19 Mar 2016, at 10:31, Scott Berry  wrote:
 
 Hi Jonothan,
 
 I would certainly be interested.  I think it would be good to create a 
 separate list.
 
 
> On Mar 19, 2016, at 8:30 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn  > wrote:
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> Hello Take Control books has a 50% off sale this weekend, and I was 
> considering purchasing ?Take Control  of Automating Your Mac?.
> https://www.takecontrolbooks.com/automating 
> 
> 
> I also believe their books are available via bookshare for those who have 
> that available.
> 
> In any case, I was thinking it would be quite interesting to have a 
> discussion where we review the book and determine any adjustments needed 
> to make the techniques work with VoiceOver.
> 
> If I did this:
> 1. Who would be interested.
> 2. Should the discussion be a thread on this list or should we create a 
> separate   group?
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Re: Using dropbox with Vmware

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Ramy,
   You might want to go back to the Dropbox site and download the 
offline installer for Windows. I run it on both the Mac and Windows. The 
Mac version will be added to the Finder. Its also on menu extras.


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Hello all:

I depend on dropbox app on all my home and work,
and now I'm using my MacBook pro, running VMware with windows 7,  I
try installing the dropbox on my VMware widnows, but could not sign
in, don't know why,
so I decided to install it on the mac os,.
but I have a question:
how can I see the dropbox folder in both mac and windows?
also, how can I change the dropbox folder place inside the mac os?
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Re: Changing e-mail from All Messages to most recent 150 in Pop3 Gmail account on iPhone 6 running iOS9.X

[Kevin Gibbs]

Jonathan,

I can’t seem to find Google Configurations.  Is that somewhere on the iPhone 
under Mail, Contacts, Calendars?  When I look at my Gmail account there, I do 
find an iMap prefix under Advance.  There is nothing written there.  There is 
also no place where the account is identified as either iMap or Pop3.  Where 
would I find this?  It is definitely behaving as a Pop3 because items deleted 
from my phone are not deleted from my Mac.  this is exactly as I would expect.  
So, how do I find out what my phone considers this account.  It was definitely 
a POP3 on my iPhone 4.  Everything was just migrated wholesale when i connected 
the iPhone 6 to iTunes upon purchase.  So, I have no reason to believe that 
this account wouldn’t remain a POP3. Any guidance appreciated.
Kevin




> On Mar 23, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I believe this is a setting in Google configurations. Are you sure your new 
> phone is still using POP? The IMAP protocol has been in more favour recently 
> since it will keep everything in sync. 
> 
> Perhaps if you delete your gmail account, disable IMAP service from the Gmail 
> settings and then re-add your account to the phone everything will work as 
> you want.
> 
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
>> On 21 Mar 2016, at 01:37, Kevin Gibbs > > wrote:
>> 
>> guys,
>> 
>> I’m sorry if the subject line isn’t clear.  It used to be that my Gmail 
>> account, which is a Pop3 on my iPhone, used to only download the most recent 
>> 150 messages, or so.  When I upgraded from my iPhone 4, running iOS 6.x, to 
>> my iPhone 6, running iOS 8 and then 9, my Pop3 account changed so that tens 
>> of thousands of e-mails were downloaded to my phone.  Space is not an issue. 
>>  but I really wish I could change this so that it works the way my iPhone 4 
>> used to.  that is, I only want 150 messages, or less, on my phone unless I 
>> choose to “see more.”  Can this be changed?
>> 
>> Sorry if I already posted this.  
>> thanks,
>> Kevin
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Re: Changing e-mail from All Messages to most recent 150 in Pop3 Gmail account on iPhone 6 running iOS9.X

[Kevin Gibbs]

Jonathan,

I just discovered something I didn’t know before.  Apparently, when i delete an 
e-mail from my Gmail account on my iPhone, it goes to the Archive Mailbox.  On 
further research, the Archive mailbox is All Mail, not Trash.  This appears to 
mean that all e-mails, both those which I mean to delete and those which I 
don’t, are all in one mailbox.  As an experiment, I deleted your original 
message from my All Mail box.  It is now gone from my phone.  That’s no big 
deal.  It’s on my Mac.  But that clearly means that there is no way to 
selectively delete all the mail I’ve supposedly gotten rid of over the past 
year and change.  this really stinks.  I’d be curious to hear any further 
thoughts.
> On Mar 23, 2016, at 6:33 PM, Kevin Gibbs  wrote:
> 
> Jonathan,
> 
> I can’t seem to find Google Configurations.  Is that somewhere on the iPhone 
> under Mail, Contacts, Calendars?  When I look at my Gmail account there, I do 
> find an iMap prefix under Advance.  There is nothing written there.  There is 
> also no place where the account is identified as either iMap or Pop3.  Where 
> would I find this?  It is definitely behaving as a Pop3 because items deleted 
> from my phone are not deleted from my Mac.  this is exactly as I would 
> expect.  So, how do I find out what my phone considers this account.  It was 
> definitely a POP3 on my iPhone 4.  Everything was just migrated wholesale 
> when i connected the iPhone 6 to iTunes upon purchase.  So, I have no reason 
> to believe that this account wouldn’t remain a POP3. Any guidance appreciated.
> Kevin
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> I believe this is a setting in Google configurations. Are you sure your new 
>> phone is still using POP? The IMAP protocol has been in more favour recently 
>> since it will keep everything in sync. 
>> 
>> Perhaps if you delete your gmail account, disable IMAP service from the 
>> Gmail settings and then re-add your account to the phone everything will 
>> work as you want.
>> 
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 21 Mar 2016, at 01:37, Kevin Gibbs >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> guys,
>>> 
>>> I’m sorry if the subject line isn’t clear.  It used to be that my Gmail 
>>> account, which is a Pop3 on my iPhone, used to only download the most 
>>> recent 150 messages, or so.  When I upgraded from my iPhone 4, running iOS 
>>> 6.x, to my iPhone 6, running iOS 8 and then 9, my Pop3 account changed so 
>>> that tens of thousands of e-mails were downloaded to my phone.  Space is 
>>> not an issue.  but I really wish I could change this so that it works the 
>>> way my iPhone 4 used to.  that is, I only want 150 messages, or less, on my 
>>> phone unless I choose to “see more.”  Can this be changed?
>>> 
>>> Sorry if I already posted this.  
>>> thanks,
>>> Kevin
>>> 
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Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Emilio]

Hello everyone,

My thoughts on the Apple keynote are positive. I like how the CEO did not 
spend very much time discussing the company's position concerning the 
recent debate over iOS security and the Government of the USA. I like how 
his point was clear and succinct. The only thing I was interested in was 
the iPad Pro 9.7 in. Announcement. Nothing too earth shattering here, but 
glad to get final confirmation about the product. The tech pundits were 
correct as is the case for the majority.
I did also like to see the prices finally enter the competitive market with 
the rest of the world, but this was going to happen anyway. I still cannot 
justify an Apple Watch because of the dependence to the iPhone, which I 
hope will change and become an independent accessory because in that case 
an AppleWatch would be well-worth the expense. However, it would still be 
cool to talk into my wrist like Dick Tracy.

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Re: Changing e-mail from All Messages to most recent 150 in Pop3 Gmail account on iPhone 6 running iOS9.X

[Jonathan Cohn]

Well, it seems the settings on the google Gmail web page are significantly 
smaller than I remember. 

I saw an option to limit map box sizes but not pop.

Also, in terms of the Archive/All mail folder, that is what Google wants us to 
do save everything forever so we they can create more effective advertising.

There is an imap option that says when you delete a message from every map 
folder to delete the message, and I think there used to be an equivalent 
function for pop but now I can’t find it.

Oh, and the automatically reading of messages when using “n” when in 
conversation mode on the GMAIL web site does not work now. It also does not 
work for JAWS and IE 8 though it does work in WindowEyes and IE8.

Best wishes,

Jonathan



> On 23 Mar 2016, at 19:51, Kevin Gibbs  wrote:
> 
> Jonathan,
> 
> I just discovered something I didn’t know before.  Apparently, when i delete 
> an e-mail from my Gmail account on my iPhone, it goes to the Archive Mailbox. 
>  On further research, the Archive mailbox is All Mail, not Trash.  This 
> appears to mean that all e-mails, both those which I mean to delete and those 
> which I don’t, are all in one mailbox.  As an experiment, I deleted your 
> original message from my All Mail box.  It is now gone from my phone.  That’s 
> no big deal.  It’s on my Mac.  But that clearly means that there is no way to 
> selectively delete all the mail I’ve supposedly gotten rid of over the past 
> year and change.  this really stinks.  I’d be curious to hear any further 
> thoughts.
>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 6:33 PM, Kevin Gibbs > > wrote:
>> 
>> Jonathan,
>> 
>> I can’t seem to find Google Configurations.  Is that somewhere on the iPhone 
>> under Mail, Contacts, Calendars?  When I look at my Gmail account there, I 
>> do find an iMap prefix under Advance.  There is nothing written there.  
>> There is also no place where the account is identified as either iMap or 
>> Pop3.  Where would I find this?  It is definitely behaving as a Pop3 because 
>> items deleted from my phone are not deleted from my Mac.  this is exactly as 
>> I would expect.  So, how do I find out what my phone considers this account. 
>>  It was definitely a POP3 on my iPhone 4.  Everything was just migrated 
>> wholesale when i connected the iPhone 6 to iTunes upon purchase.  So, I have 
>> no reason to believe that this account wouldn’t remain a POP3. Any guidance 
>> appreciated.
>> Kevin
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I believe this is a setting in Google configurations. Are you sure your new 
>>> phone is still using POP? The IMAP protocol has been in more favour 
>>> recently since it will keep everything in sync. 
>>> 
>>> Perhaps if you delete your gmail account, disable IMAP service from the 
>>> Gmail settings and then re-add your account to the phone everything will 
>>> work as you want.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 21 Mar 2016, at 01:37, Kevin Gibbs >>> > wrote:
 
 guys,
 
 I’m sorry if the subject line isn’t clear.  It used to be that my Gmail 
 account, which is a Pop3 on my iPhone, used to only download the most 
 recent 150 messages, or so.  When I upgraded from my iPhone 4, running iOS 
 6.x, to my iPhone 6, running iOS 8 and then 9, my Pop3 account changed so 
 that tens of thousands of e-mails were downloaded to my phone.  Space is 
 not an issue.  but I really wish I could change this so that it works the 
 way my iPhone 4 used to.  that is, I only want 150 messages, or less, on 
 my phone unless I choose to “see more.”  Can this be changed?
 
 Sorry if I already posted this.  
 thanks,
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Re: Changing e-mail from All Messages to most recent 150 in Pop3 Gmail account on iPhone 6 running iOS9.X

[Kevin Gibbs]

Jonathan,

I almost never deal with my Gmail account from the web.  I guess I can change 
my Archive mailbox from All Mail to Trash on my phone and at least stop the 
damage from now on.  Other than that, it doesn’t look like I have many options. 
 Again, I never considered the solution to reside on the Gmail Web side.  i 
always figured it was something I could do on the iPhone side.  Since no one 
seems to have any more suggestions relating to that, I guess I’m probably done. 
 

thanks for all your thoughtfulness.

Kevin

> On Mar 23, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Well, it seems the settings on the google Gmail web page are significantly 
> smaller than I remember. 
> 
> I saw an option to limit map box sizes but not pop.
> 
> Also, in terms of the Archive/All mail folder, that is what Google wants us 
> to do save everything forever so we they can create more effective 
> advertising.
> 
> There is an imap option that says when you delete a message from every map 
> folder to delete the message, and I think there used to be an equivalent 
> function for pop but now I can’t find it.
> 
> Oh, and the automatically reading of messages when using “n” when in 
> conversation mode on the GMAIL web site does not work now. It also does not 
> work for JAWS and IE 8 though it does work in WindowEyes and IE8.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
>> On 23 Mar 2016, at 19:51, Kevin Gibbs > > wrote:
>> 
>> Jonathan,
>> 
>> I just discovered something I didn’t know before.  Apparently, when i delete 
>> an e-mail from my Gmail account on my iPhone, it goes to the Archive 
>> Mailbox.  On further research, the Archive mailbox is All Mail, not Trash.  
>> This appears to mean that all e-mails, both those which I mean to delete and 
>> those which I don’t, are all in one mailbox.  As an experiment, I deleted 
>> your original message from my All Mail box.  It is now gone from my phone.  
>> That’s no big deal.  It’s on my Mac.  But that clearly means that there is 
>> no way to selectively delete all the mail I’ve supposedly gotten rid of over 
>> the past year and change.  this really stinks.  I’d be curious to hear any 
>> further thoughts.
>>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 6:33 PM, Kevin Gibbs >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jonathan,
>>> 
>>> I can’t seem to find Google Configurations.  Is that somewhere on the 
>>> iPhone under Mail, Contacts, Calendars?  When I look at my Gmail account 
>>> there, I do find an iMap prefix under Advance.  There is nothing written 
>>> there.  There is also no place where the account is identified as either 
>>> iMap or Pop3.  Where would I find this?  It is definitely behaving as a 
>>> Pop3 because items deleted from my phone are not deleted from my Mac.  this 
>>> is exactly as I would expect.  So, how do I find out what my phone 
>>> considers this account.  It was definitely a POP3 on my iPhone 4.  
>>> Everything was just migrated wholesale when i connected the iPhone 6 to 
>>> iTunes upon purchase.  So, I have no reason to believe that this account 
>>> wouldn’t remain a POP3. Any guidance appreciated.
>>> Kevin
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 23, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Jonathan Cohn >>> > wrote:
 
 I believe this is a setting in Google configurations. Are you sure your 
 new phone is still using POP? The IMAP protocol has been in more favour 
 recently since it will keep everything in sync. 
 
 Perhaps if you delete your gmail account, disable IMAP service from the 
 Gmail settings and then re-add your account to the phone everything will 
 work as you want.
 
 
 Best wishes,
 
 Jonathan
 
 
 
> On 21 Mar 2016, at 01:37, Kevin Gibbs  > wrote:
> 
> guys,
> 
> I’m sorry if the subject line isn’t clear.  It used to be that my Gmail 
> account, which is a Pop3 on my iPhone, used to only download the most 
> recent 150 messages, or so.  When I upgraded from my iPhone 4, running 
> iOS 6.x, to my iPhone 6, running iOS 8 and then 9, my Pop3 account 
> changed so that tens of thousands of e-mails were downloaded to my phone. 
>  Space is not an issue.  but I really wish I could change this so that it 
> works the way my iPhone 4 used to.  that is, I only want 150 messages, or 
> less, on my phone unless I choose to “see more.”  Can this be changed?
> 
> Sorry if I already posted this.  
> thanks,
> Kevin
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Re: Using dropbox with Vmware

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello sir:
i got the mac off line installer, and i use it, and it works, but on
vmware windows, it's not working, at all.
i put my email and password, but the sign in is always unavailable.
any ideas on why this happened?

On 3/24/16, E.T.  wrote:
> Ramy,
> You might want to go back to the Dropbox site and download the
> offline installer for Windows. I run it on both the Mac and Windows. The
> Mac version will be added to the Finder. Its also on menu extras.
>
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> On 3/23/2016 4:19 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> Hello all:
>>
>> I depend on dropbox app on all my home and work,
>> and now I'm using my MacBook pro, running VMware with windows 7,  I
>> try installing the dropbox on my VMware widnows, but could not sign
>> in, don't know why,
>> so I decided to install it on the mac os,.
>> but I have a question:
>> how can I see the dropbox folder in both mac and windows?
>> also, how can I change the dropbox folder place inside the mac os?
>> thanks
>>
>>
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Facebook keyboard navigation.

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

I just experienced that in 10.11.4 Facebook navigation with j/k keys to move  
in your feed only provides feedback when in “GrouP” mode of web browsing. 

Changing to this also allowed me to have the Gmail web site properly respond to 
 N and P when in conversation mode. It still is not as efficient as the Mail 
app, but is better than the  using the web page with a couple of commercial 
Windows screen readers.

Instructions:
Go to VoiceOver Utility with VO F8 
Switch to the Web area and make sure Group navigation is selected.
Turn off QuickNav
Open Safari and go to Facebook.
Now  just typing the “j” key will move to the next item.
Pressing “k” will go to the prior item.

There are also keystrokes for replying posting and likin, that I am sure you 
can discover on your own

Enjoy!

Also, I expect you need the full facebook site for this, and since they are 
very JAVASCRIPT dependant probably a good idea to have a bit of ram and a 
recent OS and machine.

Best wishes,

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Re: Using dropbox with Vmware

[E.T.]

   You do have the Windows version installed? I have not had that 
happen. Does Windows have internet access?


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in the past. What if it were true?

On 3/23/2016 5:51 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Hello sir:
i got the mac off line installer, and i use it, and it works, but on
vmware windows, it's not working, at all.
i put my email and password, but the sign in is always unavailable.
any ideas on why this happened?

On 3/24/16, E.T.  wrote:

Ramy,
 You might want to go back to the Dropbox site and download the
offline installer for Windows. I run it on both the Mac and Windows. The
Mac version will be added to the Finder. Its also on menu extras.

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On 3/23/2016 4:19 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

Hello all:

I depend on dropbox app on all my home and work,
and now I'm using my MacBook pro, running VMware with windows 7,  I
try installing the dropbox on my VMware widnows, but could not sign
in, don't know why,
so I decided to install it on the mac os,.
but I have a question:
how can I see the dropbox folder in both mac and windows?
also, how can I change the dropbox folder place inside the mac os?
thanks




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security settings on the mac where are they?

[Rhonda Partain]

I am trying to test a program and mac says my security settings only allow
apps from the app store, how can I change this and where? I am new to the
mac so detailed instructions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
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Re: security settings on the mac where are they?

[E.T.]

   System Preferences.

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in the past. What if it were true?

On 3/23/2016 6:12 PM, Rhonda Partain wrote:

I amtrying to test a program and mac says my security settings only
allow  apps from the app store, how can I change this and where? I am
new to the mac so detailed instructions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Rhonda

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Re: security settings on the mac where are they?

[Basioli George]

do a v o m and in the apple menu arrow down to system prefferences
in this window interact with the window and arrow with vo arrow right to you 
land on security and vo spacebar on it
now your in the window and look and see what you want to do.
> On Mar 23, 2016, at 18:12 PM, Rhonda Partain  wrote:
> 
> I am trying to test a program and mac says my security settings only allow  
> apps from the app store, how can I change this and where? I am new to the mac 
> so detailed instructions would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks in advance.
> Rhonda
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RE: security settings on the mac where are they?

[Rhonda Partain]

Thanks ever so much. 
Rhonda
 
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do a v o m and in the apple menu arrow down to system prefferences
in this window interact with the window and arrow with vo arrow right to you 
land on security and vo spacebar on it
now your in the window and look and see what you want to do.
On Mar 23, 2016, at 18:12 PM, Rhonda Partain  wrote:
 
I am trying to test a program and mac says my security settings only allow  
apps from the app store, how can I change this and where? I am new to the mac 
so detailed instructions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Rhonda
 
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Re: One not so busy Macintosh.

[Phil Halton]

I am in the process now of doing a clean L Install on a test comp that I have 
laying around. It's a 2011 21 inch iMac. I have just downloaded the el cap  
Installer and plan to do the clean install tomorrow, and restore apps and docs 
from a time machine backup.
I'll let you know how it goes ET. If this goes OK I'll do it on my working 
machine, a MacBook air running Yosemite. But this gives me an opportunity to 
test it out and shake out the bugs of the process.

One thing I do highly recommend is having and cloned image of your old working 
OS X before doing anything. I've already had to re-image my Mac HD hard drive 
because of one total screwup. It's really saved my a$$

 Sent from my IPhone


> On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:37 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Was it any one thing or a combination of things? Since I installed El Cap 
> (was not quite a true clean install) I experience some anomalies and may 
> actually do a clean install which I am not looking forward to.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>> On 3/23/2016 2:32 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
>> I had my speedy new MacBook Air (I actually called it speedy), start going 
>> into slow state whenever I opened a menu item or switched / added a window. 
>> The performance steady degraded the more it was used.
>> 
>> Thanks to some wonderful help from the accessibility desk, not only is my 
>> computer responding again, but now I have a path to resolve the issues 
>> myself.
>> 
>> One thing I did lose unexpectedly was my mail signatures.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan
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Re: Anyone install OS X 10.11.4?

[Kevin Chao]

http://www.applevis.com/forum/accessibility-advocacy/opinion-apple-needs-step-it-when-it-comes-os-x-accessibility
On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 2:24 PM Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

> Well, if you can actually get to the point where VO says interacting with
> edit text, then vo-L will work.
>
> Tested on the full gmail site, by typing “/line nav” and then doing
> interact with until I heard interact with text edit. Those funky combo
> boxes like on the google home page don’t seem to work no matter what you
> try.
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> > On 23 Mar 2016, at 10:43, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> >
> > I doon't noticce any differences either. The biggest issue I'm still
> noticing which has been in El Capitan from the beginning is, in Safari,
> when typing text in to an edit field, pressing vo+l to read the current
> line does not work.
> > Original message:
> >> I was hoping that some web-related accessibility bugs would have been
> resolved, but they're still present.
> >> e.g. contentEditables and treeviews are still broken as ever with
> VoiceOver.
> >
> >> On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 5:31 AM Ray Foret jr  > wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Honestly, not that I can tell. It seems to be more responsive and I
> suspect that they’ve knocked out the toxic character string. Let’s hope we
> don’t have to take a chance and find out.
> >
> >
> >> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the
> blind built-in
> >
> >> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> >> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> >
> >
> >> On Mar 22, 2016, at 5:05 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <
> clgillan...@gmail.com > wrote:
> >
> >> Does it sound any different though Audibly?
> >> ---
> >> Christopher Gilland
> >> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> >> Training Instructor.
> >> clgillan...@gmail.com 
> >> Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
> >
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: Ray Foret jr 
> >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 5:58 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Anyone install OS X 10.11.4?
> >> They have pushed out a new update to Alex in this version. I am
> guessing that this is a response to the crashes we all know about from
> fatal character strings which we reported to them.
> >
> >
> >> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the
> blind built-in
> >
> >> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> >> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> >
> >
> >> On Mar 21, 2016, at 10:50 PM, Kevin Chao  > wrote:
> >
> >>
> http://applevis.com/blog/apple-mac-os-x-news/apple-releases-os-x-el-capitan-10114-bug-fixes-and-enhancements
> <
> http://applevis.com/blog/apple-mac-os-x-news/apple-releases-os-x-el-capitan-10114-bug-fixes-and-enhancements
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Re: Using dropbox with Vmware

[Ramy Moustafa]

Yes it has an internet

Ramy moustafa saber
Musicc instructor at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
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> On Mar 24, 2016, at 3:02 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   You do have the Windows version installed? I have not had that happen. Does 
> Windows have internet access?
> 
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> Many believe that we have been visited
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> 
>> On 3/23/2016 5:51 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> Hello sir:
>> i got the mac off line installer, and i use it, and it works, but on
>> vmware windows, it's not working, at all.
>> i put my email and password, but the sign in is always unavailable.
>> any ideas on why this happened?
>> 
>>> On 3/24/16, E.T.  wrote:
>>> Ramy,
>>> You might want to go back to the Dropbox site and download the
>>> offline installer for Windows. I run it on both the Mac and Windows. The
>>> Mac version will be added to the Finder. Its also on menu extras.
>>> 
>>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
 On 3/23/2016 4:19 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
 Hello all:
 
 I depend on dropbox app on all my home and work,
 and now I'm using my MacBook pro, running VMware with windows 7,  I
 try installing the dropbox on my VMware widnows, but could not sign
 in, don't know why,
 so I decided to install it on the mac os,.
 but I have a question:
 how can I see the dropbox folder in both mac and windows?
 also, how can I change the dropbox folder place inside the mac os?
 thanks
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RE: the 4-finger swipe

[Simon Fogarty]

I thought the four finger swipe was a multitasking gesture 

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On Behalf Of Robert Hill
Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2016 12:44 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: the 4-finger swipe

Well, I guess I'll have to retract my statement about the four finger swipe, 
because when I tried just now, I had no luck" 
I went into accessibility setings' and the voiceover practice area, and lo and 
behold, the four finger swipe gesture was not recognized. 

Rats!

Bob Hill 



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> On Mar 23, 2016, at 6:45 AM, Robert Hill  wrote:
> 
> Hi Rey and listers,
> 
> I just tried the four-finger swipe on my iPhone 6 with 9.3, and it worked 
> just fine" 
> I did have to wait a bit for the apps to come into focus, but I was able to 
> cycle between messages, mail and NFB newsline. 
> 
> Bob Hill
> 
> 
> Sent from Bob's iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:25 AM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
>> 
>> YOu sure the four finger swipe works on the iPhone 6 or 6+?  I guess it must 
>> only work on the 6S and 6S+ because it sure doesn’t work for me on my 6+.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the 
>> blind built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a very happy Mac, 
>> Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 1:10 AM, Ben J Bloomgren  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mary and all,
>>> 
>>> AppleVis has put up some tutorials as to the new features both in TVOS 9.2 
>>> and iOS 9.3.
>>> 
>>> Ben
 On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:28 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 I just tried before finger gesture for the first time when in mail. It 
 flipped to Safari. First shot. There was a bit of a delay, but it work.
 Mary
 PS, running an iPhone 6s.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Jenine Stanley  
> wrote:
> 
> It allows you, from an open app, to move back and forth through your 
> other open apps as you would with the app switcher. Again, it’s not 
> something for which there is no other gesture or way to access but 
> something that’s pretty nifty and more like a multi-tasking feel if you 
> will. 
> 
> I was all over the 3D touch gesture when we got it to access the app 
> switcher and yes, it is or at least seems to be so far, much more stable 
> in 9.3. 
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Christina C.  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> what is it supposed to accomplish?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Jenine Stanley  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is anyone else having trouble getting the 4-finger left and right swipe 
>>> gesture to work? I love the concept of what it’s supposed to do but I 
>>> can’t get it to work. 
>>> 
>>> I have a 6S and small hands but somehow the swipe just doesn’t work. 
>>> 
>>> It took me a while to get the 3-finger swipe to work though so maybe I 
>>> just need to go into the VO practice area for a while with it.
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
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RE: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Simon Fogarty]

I do admit the phone sounds great for an entry level device, but I wont be 
going back from my 6s+ 

As for the iPad Pro 9.7,
 Currently I think the pro is over rated after using or at least trying to use 
one for a few hours.

The 12 inch is just to large.
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2016 1:22 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

You make a good point, I did like Tim Cook’s opening speech.  That being said, 
our Government waited for the event to be over and then announced they no 
longer needed help cracking open the device.

Very interesting things going on in the background  I like your point though, 
aside from the opener the rest fell flat for me.


> On Mar 23, 2016, at 3:15 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hey Scott,
> 
> Yeah I have to agree,
> 
> I thought it was kind of overkill leading up to it and then a real let down 
> once over,
> 
> I thought more of Tim Cooks opening speech than the iPhone se and iPad 
> presentations.
> 
> I did like the sound of the TV OS updates, exept for the fact that NZ doesn't 
> yet have the Siri side of the apple tv gen 4 working with our systems.
> 
> So something great sounding that we have to look forward to.
> 
> Otherwise,
> I've got no concerns for watch straps.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 1:33 AM
> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
> Subject: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event
> 
> Wonder if anyone else felt the way I did.  The event seemed to be a total 
> waste of time.  Watch bands, really?  You wanted time out of my afternoon for 
> watch bands?
> 
> In my professional opinion it was serious weak sauce.  Wonder what others 
> thought, is it just me?
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RE: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

[Simon Fogarty]

Interesting,

 I'm only really getting started with macs but the hardware is excelant and the 
OS brilliant, but I can't go past the windows OS and jaws for power use with my 
servers, however most of that would be due to lack of time with OSX server.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2016 1:32 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event

Well look it’s not entirely Microsoft’s fault.  I’ll be the first to bash the 
folks in Redmond but in this case the NFB had a lot to do with it as well.  
There were payoffs made by certain screen reader manufacturers to the NFB to 
have the NFB protest the creation of built in accessibility.  After all, Ted 
Henter doesn’t make any money if Apple and Microsoft give away screen readers 
for free.  You will also note there were several hit pieces against Apple 
written by the same organization.  It’s just Apple ignored them.

So Microsoft of course by now should do more but there’s history there.

Apple also always had a soft spot in a lot of us older blind folks heart 
because it was likely one of the first somewhat accessible computers we used.  
The Apple 2 series had all sorts of add on voice synthesis cards that started 
to open the door for us.  It’s how I started.


> On Mar 23, 2016, at 4:07 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> 
> Would you  say apple don't listen even though we can contact them when there 
> is an accessibility issue with a IOS or OSC system and they work quickly to 
> correct the issues.
> Full stop they have listened enough to give us accessible platforms out of 
> the box.
> What do Microsoft do for us?
> 
> They always leave it up to the third parties.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2016 7:37 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Anyone else disappointed with the "big" apple event
> 
> It’s really not in apple’s culture to listen to consumers.  Remember their 
> attitude is they come up with great products we can’t live with out.:)  
> Remember the antenna issue.  It wasn’t a flaw in the design it was the user 
> holding the phone the wrong way according to apple.
> 
> You hav ea good point that companies should listen to customers and generally 
> do well if they do but I never have thought of apple as being big listeners.  
> I could be wrong maybe others feel differently.  Apple though was always to 
> me that closed black box that just works and solves a problem I didn’t know i 
> had.
> 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> In all of this I wonder if consumers are not voices what they would 
>> like Apple to develop directly to Apple. How can a product be 
>> developed without a demand?
>> Vaughn
>> 
>> On 3/22/16, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>>> Another perspective is that most people don't know a great thing 
>>> until there are a few years of hindsight. I remember one of my 
>>> co-workers got one of the very first iPhones and I couldn't figure 
>>> out why. It was a battery hog, heavy and my little folding phone made calls 
>>> just as well.
>>> Who knew then what the trajectory would be? There is also 1.0 
>>> iteration issues. The original Lisa was expensive, slow and buggy 
>>> but they kept iterating on the basic strong bit of a more human-centered 
>>> interface.
>>> That eventually became the Mac and it's been pretty good since.
>>> Lessons learned from the Newton as well. So is today's Apple Watch 
>>> just a Newton or Lisa - a good core idea that is usable today but 
>>> needs more development? Maybe AppleTV is just iPhone 1.0 and we 
>>> haven't realized where it's going to go.
>>> 
>>> There is one snag in the IoT when those are durable goods. Most 
>>> devices are running about a 3-year life cycle but my fridge, TV and 
>>> thermostat are expected to go much longer than that. So what happens 
>>> to my iOS enabled fridge when iOS 15 comes out? TVs are really 
>>> hitting commodity prices where margins are super thin so I doubt 
>>> Apple would want to get into that space. It does make sense to have 
>>> a removable brain (AppleTV) which I can just plug into the TV or upgrade 
>>> when brain 2.0 comes out.
>>> That also means when the TV dies I can swap it without tossing the 
>>> the brain with it. That was the idea behind having separate 
>>> components in AV systems. If you had a TV with a DVD player in it 
>>> and the player dies, then what?
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 3/22/16 1:24 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
 They will sell new iPhones, the iPad is arguable at best.  Sales 
 have almost tanked on iPads and let’s face it, the phone carries 
 Apple when you consider just how much of it’s cash flow is on the phone 
 exclusivel

RE: blue tooth headsets

[Simon Fogarty]

A few years ago I had a jawbone headset, I thought it was an era 

When I was researching the device it was stated by jawbone that they worked 
with DARPA to develop their headsets for milatry use.

 One of the reasons I went for the product at the time.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ronald van Rhijn
Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2016 5:10 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets

Scott,

Thanks for the clearification! The name Jawbone is a little bit misleading.  
I still dont want to be bothered to keep the sensor on my jaw or cheek. 
How does it look like,  how long is such divice as the Era?

Ronald



> Op 23 mrt. 2016, om 13:35 heeft Scott Granados  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> To be clear, the jawbone does not * use * bone induction.  Not even close.  
> There is a small censor that rests on your cheek / jawbone that is a noise 
> gate.  When you speak one of the first things that happens before sound 
> leaves your mouth is your jaw starts to move.  That movement triggers the 
> censor which opens the noise gate and allows your voice in.  If you’re not 
> speaking the noise gate is closed and sound isn’t picked up.  They use this a 
> lot in military headsets for example helicopters and tanks.
> 
> Thanks
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 4:55 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> ronald does that also have a microphone or is seri picking up your 
>> voice through its microphone. i'd really rather go with traditional ear 
>> phone type instead of bone induction myself. thanks max On Mar 22, 2016, at 
>> 2:23 PM, Ronald van Rhijn wrote:
>> 
>>> Just bought me a Plantronics Marque 2 (m165) single earpiece headset after 
>>> looking at all the options.
>>> I considered the Jawbone Era and Plantronics Edge as well, but the Jawbone 
>>> models need to touch your jaw in order to function properly. Don’t know if 
>>> this is part or full bone conduction , but didn’t want to have something to 
>>> be on my face. The Plantronics Edge is larger than the Marque 2 and more 
>>> expensive. The additional features of the Edge like noise cancelling and 
>>> charge unit I don’t need. So I bought the Marque 2 and very satisfied with 
>>> it where I use it for, some reading in public transit. The unit has some 
>>> physical buttons for volume, on/off switch end multipurpose button for 
>>> Siri, answering etc. The unit speaks when turning on how much talktime 
>>> there is left, the pairing process, volume etc.  The Marque 2 costst about 
>>> 50 euro.
>>> Ronald
>>> 
>>> 
 Op 20 mrt. 2016, om 01:50 heeft Simon Fogarty  het 
 volgende geschreven:
 
 Scott,
 
 I've not tried the Plantronics legend but know it was a great 
 device back in  the day,
 
 Would you still put it above the Edge?
 
 
 And I used one of the early era devices but at that point it's 
 accessibility wasn't great. Still it was an excellent device, I just need 
 to stop being so hard on headsets.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott 
 Granados
 Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2016 4:53 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets
 
 Max, your brother is misinformed.  Bluetooth is a series of specifications 
 that are standardized so aside some special features in general most 
 things work pretty well with each other.  There are headsets in general 
 though that work better than others.  This is one of the favorite topics 
 of mine and also the moderator’s Mark I believe.
 
 In my mind there are two ways to go and there have been the 2 same players 
 on top for a while now.  There is the plantronics legend and the era by 
 jawbone.  The Jawbone is the most stylish / smallest headset and the 
 plantronics is the largest most utilitarian of the two.  Depends on what 
 your goal is.  If you want to look cool, have good noise reduction, medium 
 battery life and have the same toys as the cool kids buy a Jawbone.  If 
 you want your headset to work in all conditions, want fantastic noise 
 reduction, don’t care about the fact there’s a boom microphone and you 
 need great battery life then the plantronics voyager pro legend is the way 
 to go.  Hands down the plastrons works the best it’s just whether your 
 concern is mostly function or you want some style.
 
 How’s that?
 
 BTW I use the voyager pro legend almost exclusively now although I carry 
 both.  I find the plantronics just more stable and for my professional 
 calls and work environment the only option.
 
 
> On Mar 18, 2016, at 2:53 AM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> hello; I'm wanting to buy a blue tooth headset to go with my