RE: nigger help with ererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererer

[Simon Fogarty]

Guess it’s someone that isn’t happy with the list.
Oh well thank god for delete keys!

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of d.pra...@me.com
Sent: Monday, 15 February 2016 8:43 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: nigger help with 
ererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererererer

Oh gosh. You mean I have to delete all this? Mods, please act soon.
Thanks.

Sent from Outlook Mobile.
Devin Prater
d.pra...@me.com



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RE: Help with message are extremely offensive

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mail sender,

Thanks for your input, but if we’ve done something to offend you please just 
let it go and leave the list.

We’re a list trying to help each other, we don’t require your offencive 
behaviour.

But thanks for your input

Regards,


Simon F


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Sent: Monday, 15 February 2016 10:50 AM
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fuck off asshole shitboy. go offend ur mommy
On 2/14/2016 9:48 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
OK, I'm leaving the list if this doesn't stop!  that's final!


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RE: How to activate a link in a tweet?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi List,

 I'm assuming Mark and the other mods have got what's going on and are working 
to deal with it.

For now we just have to ignore it until they can.

 Their intelligents is obviously of a sub antarcticlevel 
So I'd highly recommend either deleting the messages one by one or to setup a 
rule that will delete them / move them into another folder you can delete later.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Monday, 15 February 2016 10:59 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to activate a link in a tweet?

How much do you all wanna bet this is Maheen Wickramasinghe going under an 
alias.  Obviously, I can't prove this, but I have a very weird suspicion. 
Anyway, I'm done fuling the fire.

Chris.

- Original Message -
From: "Mail" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: How to activate a link in a tweet?


> shut up christopher mark gilland you little child
> i will kill u dickface
>
> On 2/14/2016 9:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> That's partly why I suggested Night Owl, AKA, YoruFukurou.
>>
>> BTW, again, when I mentioned Syrinx, don't do it.  I was kidding.
>> that's a really old Twitter client, that probably doesn't even work
>> anymore.  I just wanted to get a small laugh.
>>
>> Seriously though, I think YoruFukurou is probably going to be your
>> best bet here.
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Andrew Lamanche" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 6:53 AM
>> Subject: Re: How to activate a link in a tweet?
>>
>>
>>> Hi Chris,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your suggestions.  I have started using Twitter.app for
>>> mac but I don't seem to be able to activate links in a tweet, that's
>>> why I'm asking whether there is a trick to it.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Andrew
 On 14 Feb 2016, at 11:11, Christopher-Mark Gilland
  wrote:

 Tweetlist Pro is wonderful for I O S.

 As for the mac, use Syrinx, no, just kidding.  Sorry, I couldn't
 resist. LOL!

 Being totally serious though, there is an app called Night owl, not
 joking around.  The app was formerally called YoruFukurou.

 At least in Night Owl, when sitting on the tweet with the link,
 simply press the L key.

 I'd also very strongly encourage you to check out the native Twitter
 app for the mac.  It has very recently become extremely extremely
 accessible.

 Chris.

 - Original Message - From: "Andrew Lamanche" 
 To: 
 Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 6:02 AM
 Subject: How to activate a link in a tweet?


> Hi,
>
> I'm very new to Twitter.  I see that sometimes links to articles or
> files are posted in a tweet.  But how do I activate them or copy
> them using Voiceover on my mac, iOS?  What's the most accessible
> Twitter app on the iPhone?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Andrew
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RE: Help with message are extremely offensive

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Chris and Ray,

I’m on a number of google groups and the others so far haven’t received this 
type of thing.

To me it’s localised to this group.

However I find it difficult to believe that the mods would have allowed this 
clown to join  although we all know there are ways around subscriptions.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Monday, 15 February 2016 11:06 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Help with message are extremely offensive

Ray,

I don't know if I'd go quite that far.  What makes you think it's all of 
Googlegroups?

I think there are some on this list who think it's Shaf.  It wouldn't surprise 
me.  Nor would it surprise me if it's Maheen going under a weird alias; you 
know how he likes to do that crud.

Anyway... I know I said I'd not feed this fire anymore, and I don't intend to, 
still, but you do have me curious what makes you think it's all of Googlegroups.

Chris.

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Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: Help with message are extremely offensive

These messages look like a hawk to me. Very most definitely a hack. I shouldn't 
be surprised at all if all of Google groups been hacked.
Sincerely,
The Constantly barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my iPhone,
the only smart phone with full accessibility for the blind built-in

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RE: Re:

[Simon Fogarty]

It's also happening in outlook 2013 on my windows machine as well, I'm trying 
to view the headers but it's playing havick with jaws so might have to resort 
to narrator 

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Eric Oyen
Sent: Monday, 15 February 2016 11:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re:

ok,
there seems to be some kind of malformed object, script or malicious webpage 
contained in the OP/s message. Every time I tried to read it, it would cause my 
screen reader (voiceover) to lock up (practically unheard of for OS X, but 
there it is) and would also cause my email client to crash. I even attempted to 
look at the message raw source, only to run into the same problem once I got 
out of the header info. SInce there seemed to be no way to find out what the 
content was, I have had to remove it from this email response in order to let 
the list owners know.

Now, it could also be a problem with my version  of OS X (Lion), but to have 
the same thing happen using safari web browser on my iCloud account, and even 
get the same issues using other browsers (like chrome), indicates that the 
issue is not on my end. So, would someone let the OP know they have an issue?

thanks,

Eric

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Re: Real quick question about Google Crome

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Awesome.  Thank you for the help.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
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  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 1:30 AM
  Subject: Re: Real quick question about Google Crome


  Type following into Omnibar: chrome://version/
  Or, navigate to Chrome Menu > About. 
  Restarting Chrome will update it. 

  On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 7:48 PM Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:

How can I determine if I'm running the most up to date version of Crome on 
my mac, and if not, get it updated?

Chris.

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RE: Moderator Note - Thanks, and an Official Apology

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi List,

 Apologies for my posts after the fact.

 But being on the other side of the planet to y you most I get the mail before 
you do so I therefore reply after the fact.

 Thanks Cara for the work done by yourself or Mark etc.

 I think we all appreciate it 

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On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Monday, 15 February 2016 2:37 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Moderator Note - Thanks, and an Official Apology

Hey there Cara.

And, we appreciate you all taking care of things.  Hopefully this person was 
completely banned.

Anyway, it's all good.  Happy VT day to you as well.

Chris.

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To: "'Adrian Leong' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 7:34 PM
Subject: Moderator Note - Thanks, and an Official Apology


Hi All,

I am certainly glad that Chris and Mark are around as I just saw this 
craziness. Fortunately when I looked up the address of the sender to remove 
them from the list, either Chris or Mark had already gotten to him. So let 
me first thank them for this.

Now, to all of you, please let me offer my sincerest apologies that this 
sort of behavior has occurred here.

You certainly don’t need to be subjected to this sort of thing so while my 
apology isn’t much, I do want you to know that this is definitely important 
to us and if there is more we can do to prevent this sort of thing in the 
future, we most definitely will.

thank you very much for taking time to read this and for those of you who 
celebrate, let me wish you a happy Valentine’s Day!

Cheers!

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Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Anne Robertson]

In fact, I think it affects Apple voices in general as I use Fred and it shut 
that voice down too. Switching to a French voice didn’t help either. I wound up 
restarting my Mac four times before I got rid of all the offending messages.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 15 Feb 2016, at 05:25, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> It seems the only thing this affects is the Alex voice. So even on a Mac, if 
> you have other voices, I would think it should be possible to solve the 
> problem. This is rather like the stupid juvenile trick people were playing 
> with jaws a few years ago. I think it was eloquence that had a string that 
> would shut it down. Some people have nothing good to do with their time.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 8:06 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> Interestingly, the string does not effect my iPhone running the Karen 
>> Australia voice.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 15 Feb 2016, at 13:55, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,  
>>> 
>>> I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to shut
>>> down the Alex screen reader this morning.  
>>> 
>>> At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and recognized it
>>> as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, for
>>> posting offensive language.  
>>> 
>>> For whatever reason, when I attempted to locate her/his address in the
>>> members list of this group, I could not find it.  Yet, the posts continued
>>> to come to the list.  
>>> 
>>> I was away from my computer for most of the day but, upon returning home
>>> about an hour or so ago, I managed to locate the user and first, change
>>> his/her posting privileges and then remove him from the list.
>>> 
>>> To be quite honest, the account I located was unlike any I've seen in any
>>> groups.  So, it is possible, more messages will come through but I think I
>>> located the right address.  Only time will tell.  
>>> 
>>> Please know that I, on behalf of Cara, am paying close attention and am
>>> doing all I can to rid the list of such nuisances.
>>> 
>>> For the record, the malicious string shut down my speech synthesizer, as
>>> well.  Very, very annoying.  Like others in this groups, I had to use my
>>> Windows computer with a non-mac screen reader to discover the source of the
>>> problem.
>>> 
>>> Please know that we are in this together and, together, we'll get through
>>> it.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
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Hi,
Has anyone used the Roboform password manager on the mac?
I tried it last night and it seems to crash, however my mac mini is 7 
years old and very slow.

I am specifically asking about  roboform from roboform.com

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Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Ray Foret Jr]

It shut down my Alex also.  Had to reset my Mac and now am using the US English 
Tom voice which it seems not to effect.


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

> On Feb 14, 2016, at 9:55 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,  
> 
> I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to shut
> down the Alex screen reader this morning.  
> 
> At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and recognized it
> as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, for
> posting offensive language.  
> 
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> members list of this group, I could not find it.  Yet, the posts continued
> to come to the list.  
> 
> I was away from my computer for most of the day but, upon returning home
> about an hour or so ago, I managed to locate the user and first, change
> his/her posting privileges and then remove him from the list.
> 
> To be quite honest, the account I located was unlike any I've seen in any
> groups.  So, it is possible, more messages will come through but I think I
> located the right address.  Only time will tell.  
> 
> Please know that I, on behalf of Cara, am paying close attention and am
> doing all I can to rid the list of such nuisances.
> 
> For the record, the malicious string shut down my speech synthesizer, as
> well.  Very, very annoying.  Like others in this groups, I had to use my
> Windows computer with a non-mac screen reader to discover the source of the
> problem.
> 
> Please know that we are in this together and, together, we'll get through
> it.
> 
> Mark
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Double contacts on the iphone.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
It seems that my contacts is doubbled for some reason.
Not even on the Iphone but also on my mac.
Why is this happening and is the only sollution to logout from Icloud and back 
in again.
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Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Donna Goodin]

Just in case anything like this happens again, I found that it did not impact 
my iPhone.  So by switching over to my phone to deal with mail, I was able to 
get rid of all his messages.  Thank you, Cara, Chris, and Mark for getting on 
this so quickly.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 5:24 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> It shut down my Alex also.  Had to reset my Mac and now am using the US 
> English Tom voice which it seems not to effect.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 9:55 PM, M. Taylor > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,  
>> 
>> I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to shut
>> down the Alex screen reader this morning.  
>> 
>> At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and recognized it
>> as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, for
>> posting offensive language.  
>> 
>> For whatever reason, when I attempted to locate her/his address in the
>> members list of this group, I could not find it.  Yet, the posts continued
>> to come to the list.  
>> 
>> I was away from my computer for most of the day but, upon returning home
>> about an hour or so ago, I managed to locate the user and first, change
>> his/her posting privileges and then remove him from the list.
>> 
>> To be quite honest, the account I located was unlike any I've seen in any
>> groups.  So, it is possible, more messages will come through but I think I
>> located the right address.  Only time will tell.  
>> 
>> Please know that I, on behalf of Cara, am paying close attention and am
>> doing all I can to rid the list of such nuisances.
>> 
>> For the record, the malicious string shut down my speech synthesizer, as
>> well.  Very, very annoying.  Like others in this groups, I had to use my
>> Windows computer with a non-mac screen reader to discover the source of the
>> problem.
>> 
>> Please know that we are in this together and, together, we'll get through
>> it.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
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Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Alex Hall]

Just for the record, it seems to impact the Alex voice on iOS. The main 
difference is that you can simply restart VoiceOver and everything is fine, but 
on the Mac, the entire system becomes useless until you restart. On iOS, if you 
use Samantha, a Siri voice, or other Nuance voices, you'll be fine. Same with 
the Mac, but Alex is default on the Mac whereas Samantha is default on iOS.
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 08:08, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Just in case anything like this happens again, I found that it did not impact 
> my iPhone.  So by switching over to my phone to deal with mail, I was able to 
> get rid of all his messages.  Thank you, Cara, Chris, and Mark for getting on 
> this so quickly.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 5:24 AM, Ray Foret Jr > > wrote:
>> 
>> It shut down my Alex also.  Had to reset my Mac and now am using the US 
>> English Tom voice which it seems not to effect.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 9:55 PM, M. Taylor >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,  
>>> 
>>> I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to shut
>>> down the Alex screen reader this morning.  
>>> 
>>> At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and recognized it
>>> as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, for
>>> posting offensive language.  
>>> 
>>> For whatever reason, when I attempted to locate her/his address in the
>>> members list of this group, I could not find it.  Yet, the posts continued
>>> to come to the list.  
>>> 
>>> I was away from my computer for most of the day but, upon returning home
>>> about an hour or so ago, I managed to locate the user and first, change
>>> his/her posting privileges and then remove him from the list.
>>> 
>>> To be quite honest, the account I located was unlike any I've seen in any
>>> groups.  So, it is possible, more messages will come through but I think I
>>> located the right address.  Only time will tell.  
>>> 
>>> Please know that I, on behalf of Cara, am paying close attention and am
>>> doing all I can to rid the list of such nuisances.
>>> 
>>> For the record, the malicious string shut down my speech synthesizer, as
>>> well.  Very, very annoying.  Like others in this groups, I had to use my
>>> Windows computer with a non-mac screen reader to discover the source of the
>>> problem.
>>> 
>>> Please know that we are in this together and, together, we'll get through
>>> it.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
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Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Donna Goodin]

Ah, yes, that would be the difference - I use Samantha.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 7:23 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Just for the record, it seems to impact the Alex voice on iOS. The main 
> difference is that you can simply restart VoiceOver and everything is fine, 
> but on the Mac, the entire system becomes useless until you restart. On iOS, 
> if you use Samantha, a Siri voice, or other Nuance voices, you'll be fine. 
> Same with the Mac, but Alex is default on the Mac whereas Samantha is default 
> on iOS.
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 08:08, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Just in case anything like this happens again, I found that it did not 
>> impact my iPhone.  So by switching over to my phone to deal with mail, I was 
>> able to get rid of all his messages.  Thank you, Cara, Chris, and Mark for 
>> getting on this so quickly.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 5:24 AM, Ray Foret Jr >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> It shut down my Alex also.  Had to reset my Mac and now am using the US 
>>> English Tom voice which it seems not to effect.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>> 
>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>>> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
 On Feb 14, 2016, at 9:55 PM, M. Taylor >>> > wrote:
 
 Hello Everyone,  
 
 I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to shut
 down the Alex screen reader this morning.  
 
 At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and recognized it
 as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, for
 posting offensive language.  
 
 For whatever reason, when I attempted to locate her/his address in the
 members list of this group, I could not find it.  Yet, the posts continued
 to come to the list.  
 
 I was away from my computer for most of the day but, upon returning home
 about an hour or so ago, I managed to locate the user and first, change
 his/her posting privileges and then remove him from the list.
 
 To be quite honest, the account I located was unlike any I've seen in any
 groups.  So, it is possible, more messages will come through but I think I
 located the right address.  Only time will tell.  
 
 Please know that I, on behalf of Cara, am paying close attention and am
 doing all I can to rid the list of such nuisances.
 
 For the record, the malicious string shut down my speech synthesizer, as
 well.  Very, very annoying.  Like others in this groups, I had to use my
 Windows computer with a non-mac screen reader to discover the source of the
 problem.
 
 Please know that we are in this together and, together, we'll get through
 it.
 
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Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

Alex Hall  wrote:
> Same with the Mac, but Alex is default on the Mac whereas Samantha is
> default on iOS.


The default varies by country/region, but I think it's always a Nuance
synthesizer under iOS.

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Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Basioli George]

i contactted apple senior tech this morning and they had me send them a email 
forward with the dreaded er string in the subject line.
they told me to let all know that suggestion is to change your defalt from alix 
and that they should have the issue fixed by wed otr thursday of this week.

said you may get a ox update or it will just happen in the background.

hope this helps all.


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> Alex Hall  wrote:
>> Same with the Mac, but Alex is default on the Mac whereas Samantha is
>> default on iOS.
> 
> 
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Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Donna Goodin]

Nice.  Thanks for doing this.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 7:43 AM, Basioli George  wrote:
> 
> i contactted apple senior tech this morning and they had me send them a email 
> forward with the dreaded er string in the subject line.
> they told me to let all know that suggestion is to change your defalt from 
> alix and that they should have the issue fixed by wed otr thursday of this 
> week.
> 
> said you may get a ox update or it will just happen in the background.
> 
> hope this helps all.
> 
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 5:27 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> Same with the Mac, but Alex is default on the Mac whereas Samantha is
>>> default on iOS.
>> 
>> 
>> The default varies by country/region, but I think it's always a Nuance
>> synthesizer under iOS.
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Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Andrew]

y screen reader stopped talking and I had to force shut the ocmputer.  Yes, 
we are grateful for helping us with this unacdceptale action.  Andrews 
problem.

On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 4:05:24 AM UTC, Chris Gilland wrote:
>
> Mark, 
>
> Don't beat yourself up over this. 
>
> You're doing the best you can, and that is all anyone ever could ask of 
> you. 
>
> On behalf of the whole list, we thank you very very greatly for all you're 
> doing! 
>
> Chris. 
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "M. Taylor" > 
> To: > 
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:55 PM 
> Subject: To The List About The Recent Spam 
>
>
> > Hello Everyone, 
> > 
> > I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to shut 
> > down the Alex screen reader this morning. 
> > 
> > At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and recognized 
> > it 
> > as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, for 
> > posting offensive language. 
> > 
> > For whatever reason, when I attempted to locate her/his address in the 
> > members list of this group, I could not find it.  Yet, the posts 
> continued 
> > to come to the list. 
> > 
> > I was away from my computer for most of the day but, upon returning home 
> > about an hour or so ago, I managed to locate the user and first, change 
> > his/her posting privileges and then remove him from the list. 
> > 
> > To be quite honest, the account I located was unlike any I've seen in 
> any 
> > groups.  So, it is possible, more messages will come through but I think 
> I 
> > located the right address.  Only time will tell. 
> > 
> > Please know that I, on behalf of Cara, am paying close attention and am 
> > doing all I can to rid the list of such nuisances. 
> > 
> > For the record, the malicious string shut down my speech synthesizer, as 
> > well.  Very, very annoying.  Like others in this groups, I had to use my 
> > Windows computer with a non-mac screen reader to discover the source of 
> > the 
> > problem. 
> > 
> > Please know that we are in this together and, together, we'll get 
> through 
> > it. 
> > 
> > Mark 
> > 
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Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Caitlyn F]

Hi how do you fix this problem doesn't only affect the Alex screenreader my mac 
is completely useless right now and all I have to work with is my iPhone thanks 
a lot Caitlyn

Sent from Caitlyn's I phone

> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Andrew  wrote:
> 
> y screen reader stopped talking and I had to force shut the ocmputer.  Yes, 
> we are grateful for helping us with this unacdceptale action.  Andrews 
> problem.
> 
>> On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 4:05:24 AM UTC, Chris Gilland wrote:
>> Mark, 
>> 
>> Don't beat yourself up over this. 
>> 
>> You're doing the best you can, and that is all anyone ever could ask of you. 
>> 
>> On behalf of the whole list, we thank you very very greatly for all you're 
>> doing! 
>> 
>> Chris. 
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "M. Taylor"  
>> To:  
>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:55 PM 
>> Subject: To The List About The Recent Spam 
>> 
>> 
>> > Hello Everyone, 
>> > 
>> > I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to shut 
>> > down the Alex screen reader this morning. 
>> > 
>> > At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and recognized 
>> > it 
>> > as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, for 
>> > posting offensive language. 
>> > 
>> > For whatever reason, when I attempted to locate her/his address in the 
>> > members list of this group, I could not find it.  Yet, the posts continued 
>> > to come to the list. 
>> > 
>> > I was away from my computer for most of the day but, upon returning home 
>> > about an hour or so ago, I managed to locate the user and first, change 
>> > his/her posting privileges and then remove him from the list. 
>> > 
>> > To be quite honest, the account I located was unlike any I've seen in any 
>> > groups.  So, it is possible, more messages will come through but I think I 
>> > located the right address.  Only time will tell. 
>> > 
>> > Please know that I, on behalf of Cara, am paying close attention and am 
>> > doing all I can to rid the list of such nuisances. 
>> > 
>> > For the record, the malicious string shut down my speech synthesizer, as 
>> > well.  Very, very annoying.  Like others in this groups, I had to use my 
>> > Windows computer with a non-mac screen reader to discover the source of 
>> > the 
>> > problem. 
>> > 
>> > Please know that we are in this together and, together, we'll get through 
>> > it. 
>> > 
>> > Mark 
>> > 
>> > 
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Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Basioli George]

do the following

command f8 to open the voice over utilities
in the table inter act and arrow down to speech and stop interactting
v o right errow to the defalt voice pup up menu and it will read alix since 
this is your defalt set voice
v o spacebar on this and arrow down to a new voice and do v o spacebar and the 
defalt voice will change and it will speak in the new choice

close the voice over utility

how’s that
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 6:21 AM, Caitlyn F  wrote:
> 
> Hi how do you fix this problem doesn't only affect the Alex screenreader my 
> mac is completely useless right now and all I have to work with is my iPhone 
> thanks a lot Caitlyn
> 
> Sent from Caitlyn's I phone
> 
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Andrew  > wrote:
> 
>> y screen reader stopped talking and I had to force shut the ocmputer.  Yes, 
>> we are grateful for helping us with this unacdceptale action.  Andrews 
>> problem.
>> 
>> On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 4:05:24 AM UTC, Chris Gilland wrote:
>> Mark, 
>> 
>> Don't beat yourself up over this. 
>> 
>> You're doing the best you can, and that is all anyone ever could ask of you. 
>> 
>> On behalf of the whole list, we thank you very very greatly for all you're 
>> doing! 
>> 
>> Chris. 
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "M. Taylor" > 
>> To: > 
>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:55 PM 
>> Subject: To The List About The Recent Spam 
>> 
>> 
>> > Hello Everyone, 
>> > 
>> > I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to shut 
>> > down the Alex screen reader this morning. 
>> > 
>> > At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and recognized 
>> > it 
>> > as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, for 
>> > posting offensive language. 
>> > 
>> > For whatever reason, when I attempted to locate her/his address in the 
>> > members list of this group, I could not find it.  Yet, the posts continued 
>> > to come to the list. 
>> > 
>> > I was away from my computer for most of the day but, upon returning home 
>> > about an hour or so ago, I managed to locate the user and first, change 
>> > his/her posting privileges and then remove him from the list. 
>> > 
>> > To be quite honest, the account I located was unlike any I've seen in any 
>> > groups.  So, it is possible, more messages will come through but I think I 
>> > located the right address.  Only time will tell. 
>> > 
>> > Please know that I, on behalf of Cara, am paying close attention and am 
>> > doing all I can to rid the list of such nuisances. 
>> > 
>> > For the record, the malicious string shut down my speech synthesizer, as 
>> > well.  Very, very annoying.  Like others in this groups, I had to use my 
>> > Windows computer with a non-mac screen reader to discover the source of 
>> > the 
>> > problem. 
>> > 
>> > Please know that we are in this together and, together, we'll get through 
>> > it. 
>> > 
>> > Mark 
>> > 
>> > 
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Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Donna Goodin]

Caitlyn,

Just restart your Mac.  Once restarted, do not reopen mail.  Go into Voiceover 
and change to a non-Apple voice, such as Eva.  If you don't have one of the 
non-Apple voices installed, you can download them in Voiceover Prefs, under 
Speech, then Voices.  Once there, select customize and you can download a whole 
bunch of other voices.  I use Eva, but there are lots of other options.
HTH,
Donna
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 8:21 AM, Caitlyn F  wrote:
> 
> Hi how do you fix this problem doesn't only affect the Alex screenreader my 
> mac is completely useless right now and all I have to work with is my iPhone 
> thanks a lot Caitlyn
> 
> Sent from Caitlyn's I phone
> 
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Andrew  > wrote:
> 
>> y screen reader stopped talking and I had to force shut the ocmputer.  Yes, 
>> we are grateful for helping us with this unacdceptale action.  Andrews 
>> problem.
>> 
>> On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 4:05:24 AM UTC, Chris Gilland wrote:
>> Mark, 
>> 
>> Don't beat yourself up over this. 
>> 
>> You're doing the best you can, and that is all anyone ever could ask of you. 
>> 
>> On behalf of the whole list, we thank you very very greatly for all you're 
>> doing! 
>> 
>> Chris. 
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "M. Taylor" > 
>> To: > 
>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:55 PM 
>> Subject: To The List About The Recent Spam 
>> 
>> 
>> > Hello Everyone, 
>> > 
>> > I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to shut 
>> > down the Alex screen reader this morning. 
>> > 
>> > At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and recognized 
>> > it 
>> > as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, for 
>> > posting offensive language. 
>> > 
>> > For whatever reason, when I attempted to locate her/his address in the 
>> > members list of this group, I could not find it.  Yet, the posts continued 
>> > to come to the list. 
>> > 
>> > I was away from my computer for most of the day but, upon returning home 
>> > about an hour or so ago, I managed to locate the user and first, change 
>> > his/her posting privileges and then remove him from the list. 
>> > 
>> > To be quite honest, the account I located was unlike any I've seen in any 
>> > groups.  So, it is possible, more messages will come through but I think I 
>> > located the right address.  Only time will tell. 
>> > 
>> > Please know that I, on behalf of Cara, am paying close attention and am 
>> > doing all I can to rid the list of such nuisances. 
>> > 
>> > For the record, the malicious string shut down my speech synthesizer, as 
>> > well.  Very, very annoying.  Like others in this groups, I had to use my 
>> > Windows computer with a non-mac screen reader to discover the source of 
>> > the 
>> > problem. 
>> > 
>> > Please know that we are in this together and, together, we'll get through 
>> > it. 
>> > 
>> > Mark 
>> > 
>> > 
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Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Caitlyn F]

Hi thanks for your input my computer isn't talking at all and I have no vision 
so I can't do what you suggested any other ideas thanks Caitlyn

Sent from Caitlyn's I phone

> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Basioli George  wrote:
> 
> do the following
> 
> command f8 to open the voice over utilities
> in the table inter act and arrow down to speech and stop interactting
> v o right errow to the defalt voice pup up menu and it will read alix since 
> this is your defalt set voice
> v o spacebar on this and arrow down to a new voice and do v o spacebar and 
> the defalt voice will change and it will speak in the new choice
> 
> close the voice over utility
> 
> how’s that
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 6:21 AM, Caitlyn F  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi how do you fix this problem doesn't only affect the Alex screenreader my 
>> mac is completely useless right now and all I have to work with is my iPhone 
>> thanks a lot Caitlyn
>> 
>> Sent from Caitlyn's I phone
>> 
>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Andrew  wrote:
>>> 
>>> y screen reader stopped talking and I had to force shut the ocmputer.  Yes, 
>>> we are grateful for helping us with this unacdceptale action.  Andrews 
>>> problem.
>>> 
 On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 4:05:24 AM UTC, Chris Gilland wrote:
 Mark, 
 
 Don't beat yourself up over this. 
 
 You're doing the best you can, and that is all anyone ever could ask of 
 you. 
 
 On behalf of the whole list, we thank you very very greatly for all you're 
 doing! 
 
 Chris. 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: "M. Taylor"  
 To:  
 Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:55 PM 
 Subject: To The List About The Recent Spam 
 
 
 > Hello Everyone, 
 > 
 > I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to shut 
 > down the Alex screen reader this morning. 
 > 
 > At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and recognized 
 > it 
 > as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, for 
 > posting offensive language. 
 > 
 > For whatever reason, when I attempted to locate her/his address in the 
 > members list of this group, I could not find it.  Yet, the posts 
 > continued 
 > to come to the list. 
 > 
 > I was away from my computer for most of the day but, upon returning home 
 > about an hour or so ago, I managed to locate the user and first, change 
 > his/her posting privileges and then remove him from the list. 
 > 
 > To be quite honest, the account I located was unlike any I've seen in 
 > any 
 > groups.  So, it is possible, more messages will come through but I think 
 > I 
 > located the right address.  Only time will tell. 
 > 
 > Please know that I, on behalf of Cara, am paying close attention and am 
 > doing all I can to rid the list of such nuisances. 
 > 
 > For the record, the malicious string shut down my speech synthesizer, as 
 > well.  Very, very annoying.  Like others in this groups, I had to use my 
 > Windows computer with a non-mac screen reader to discover the source of 
 > the 
 > problem. 
 > 
 > Please know that we are in this together and, together, we'll get 
 > through 
 > it. 
 > 
 > Mark 
 > 
 > 
 > -- 
 > The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
 > Visionaries list. 
 > 
 > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or 
 > if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 
 > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. 
 > 
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 > Cara 
 > Quinn - you can reach Cara at cara...@caraquinn.com 
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 > To post to this group, send email to macvisi...@googlegroups.com. 
 > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. 
 > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>>> 
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Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Anne Robertson]

Hello George,

First of all, the command to open the VO utility is VO-F8. Then, it is not only 
the Alex voice that is affected. I do not have Alex on my Mac! I use Fred and 
quite a few other voices in Various languages. Switching to a French voice did 
not work for me. I had to do a restart to get speech back.
Cheers,

Anne


> On 15 Feb 2016, at 15:25, Basioli George  wrote:
> 
> do the following
> 
> command f8 to open the voice over utilities
> in the table inter act and arrow down to speech and stop interactting
> v o right errow to the defalt voice pup up menu and it will read alix since 
> this is your defalt set voice
> v o spacebar on this and arrow down to a new voice and do v o spacebar and 
> the defalt voice will change and it will speak in the new choice
> 
> close the voice over utility
> 
> how’s that
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 6:21 AM, Caitlyn F > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi how do you fix this problem doesn't only affect the Alex screenreader my 
>> mac is completely useless right now and all I have to work with is my iPhone 
>> thanks a lot Caitlyn
>> 
>> Sent from Caitlyn's I phone
>> 
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Andrew > > wrote:
>> 
>>> y screen reader stopped talking and I had to force shut the ocmputer.  Yes, 
>>> we are grateful for helping us with this unacdceptale action.  Andrews 
>>> problem.
>>> 
>>> On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 4:05:24 AM UTC, Chris Gilland wrote:
>>> Mark, 
>>> 
>>> Don't beat yourself up over this. 
>>> 
>>> You're doing the best you can, and that is all anyone ever could ask of 
>>> you. 
>>> 
>>> On behalf of the whole list, we thank you very very greatly for all you're 
>>> doing! 
>>> 
>>> Chris. 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "M. Taylor" > 
>>> To: > 
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:55 PM 
>>> Subject: To The List About The Recent Spam 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> > Hello Everyone, 
>>> > 
>>> > I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to shut 
>>> > down the Alex screen reader this morning. 
>>> > 
>>> > At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and recognized 
>>> > it 
>>> > as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, for 
>>> > posting offensive language. 
>>> > 
>>> > For whatever reason, when I attempted to locate her/his address in the 
>>> > members list of this group, I could not find it.  Yet, the posts 
>>> > continued 
>>> > to come to the list. 
>>> > 
>>> > I was away from my computer for most of the day but, upon returning home 
>>> > about an hour or so ago, I managed to locate the user and first, change 
>>> > his/her posting privileges and then remove him from the list. 
>>> > 
>>> > To be quite honest, the account I located was unlike any I've seen in any 
>>> > groups.  So, it is possible, more messages will come through but I think 
>>> > I 
>>> > located the right address.  Only time will tell. 
>>> > 
>>> > Please know that I, on behalf of Cara, am paying close attention and am 
>>> > doing all I can to rid the list of such nuisances. 
>>> > 
>>> > For the record, the malicious string shut down my speech synthesizer, as 
>>> > well.  Very, very annoying.  Like others in this groups, I had to use my 
>>> > Windows computer with a non-mac screen reader to discover the source of 
>>> > the 
>>> > problem. 
>>> > 
>>> > Please know that we are in this together and, together, we'll get through 
>>> > it. 
>>> > 
>>> > Mark 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > -- 
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>>> > Visionaries list. 
>>> > 
>>> > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or 
>>> > if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 
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>>> > 
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>>> > Quinn - you can reach Cara at cara...@caraquinn.com  
>>> > 
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Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Jeffrey Shockley]

Hi,
As has been said multiple times, the way to fix it is to either read those 
E-Mails on your phone using a different voice other than Alex  or something 
else to get those ones deleted, or restart your Mac by using the power button 
to shut it down and then turning it back on, and when doing that, once it comes 
up, switch to a different voice to read those messages.
 Either way, you’re going to have to restart your Mac. Also, people replying to 
those messages doesn’t help the situation any.
Hope this helps,
Jeffrey
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Caitlyn F  wrote:
> 
> Hi how do you fix this problem doesn't only affect the Alex screenreader my 
> mac is completely useless right now and all I have to work with is my iPhone 
> thanks a lot Caitlyn
> 
> Sent from Caitlyn's I phone
> 
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Andrew  > wrote:
> 
>> y screen reader stopped talking and I had to force shut the ocmputer.  Yes, 
>> we are grateful for helping us with this unacdceptale action.  Andrews 
>> problem.
>> 
>> On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 4:05:24 AM UTC, Chris Gilland wrote:
>> Mark, 
>> 
>> Don't beat yourself up over this. 
>> 
>> You're doing the best you can, and that is all anyone ever could ask of you. 
>> 
>> On behalf of the whole list, we thank you very very greatly for all you're 
>> doing! 
>> 
>> Chris. 
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "M. Taylor" > 
>> To: > 
>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:55 PM 
>> Subject: To The List About The Recent Spam 
>> 
>> 
>> > Hello Everyone, 
>> > 
>> > I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to shut 
>> > down the Alex screen reader this morning. 
>> > 
>> > At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and recognized 
>> > it 
>> > as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, for 
>> > posting offensive language. 
>> > 
>> > For whatever reason, when I attempted to locate her/his address in the 
>> > members list of this group, I could not find it.  Yet, the posts continued 
>> > to come to the list. 
>> > 
>> > I was away from my computer for most of the day but, upon returning home 
>> > about an hour or so ago, I managed to locate the user and first, change 
>> > his/her posting privileges and then remove him from the list. 
>> > 
>> > To be quite honest, the account I located was unlike any I've seen in any 
>> > groups.  So, it is possible, more messages will come through but I think I 
>> > located the right address.  Only time will tell. 
>> > 
>> > Please know that I, on behalf of Cara, am paying close attention and am 
>> > doing all I can to rid the list of such nuisances. 
>> > 
>> > For the record, the malicious string shut down my speech synthesizer, as 
>> > well.  Very, very annoying.  Like others in this groups, I had to use my 
>> > Windows computer with a non-mac screen reader to discover the source of 
>> > the 
>> > problem. 
>> > 
>> > Please know that we are in this together and, together, we'll get through 
>> > it. 
>> > 
>> > Mark 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > -- 
>> > The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>> > Visionaries list. 
>> > 
>> > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or 
>> > if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 
>> > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. 
>> > 
>> > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara 
>> > Quinn - you can reach Cara at cara...@caraquinn.com  
>> > 
>> > The archives for this list can be searched at: 
>> > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ 
>> >  
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>> Visionaries list.
>>  
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>  
>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara 
>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com 
>> 
>>  
>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ 
>> 

Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Caitlyn F]

Hi
Also I restarted my computer several times and I still don't have speech Caitlyn

Sent from Caitlyn's I phone

> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello George,
> 
> First of all, the command to open the VO utility is VO-F8. Then, it is not 
> only the Alex voice that is affected. I do not have Alex on my Mac! I use 
> Fred and quite a few other voices in Various languages. Switching to a French 
> voice did not work for me. I had to do a restart to get speech back.
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 15 Feb 2016, at 15:25, Basioli George  wrote:
>> 
>> do the following
>> 
>> command f8 to open the voice over utilities
>> in the table inter act and arrow down to speech and stop interactting
>> v o right errow to the defalt voice pup up menu and it will read alix since 
>> this is your defalt set voice
>> v o spacebar on this and arrow down to a new voice and do v o spacebar and 
>> the defalt voice will change and it will speak in the new choice
>> 
>> close the voice over utility
>> 
>> how’s that
>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 6:21 AM, Caitlyn F  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi how do you fix this problem doesn't only affect the Alex screenreader my 
>>> mac is completely useless right now and all I have to work with is my 
>>> iPhone thanks a lot Caitlyn
>>> 
>>> Sent from Caitlyn's I phone
>>> 
 On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Andrew  wrote:
 
 y screen reader stopped talking and I had to force shut the ocmputer.  
 Yes, we are grateful for helping us with this unacdceptale action.  
 Andrews problem.
 
> On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 4:05:24 AM UTC, Chris Gilland wrote:
> Mark, 
> 
> Don't beat yourself up over this. 
> 
> You're doing the best you can, and that is all anyone ever could ask of 
> you. 
> 
> On behalf of the whole list, we thank you very very greatly for all 
> you're 
> doing! 
> 
> Chris. 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "M. Taylor"  
> To:  
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:55 PM 
> Subject: To The List About The Recent Spam 
> 
> 
> > Hello Everyone, 
> > 
> > I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to 
> > shut 
> > down the Alex screen reader this morning. 
> > 
> > At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and 
> > recognized 
> > it 
> > as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, for 
> > posting offensive language. 
> > 
> > For whatever reason, when I attempted to locate her/his address in the 
> > members list of this group, I could not find it.  Yet, the posts 
> > continued 
> > to come to the list. 
> > 
> > I was away from my computer for most of the day but, upon returning 
> > home 
> > about an hour or so ago, I managed to locate the user and first, change 
> > his/her posting privileges and then remove him from the list. 
> > 
> > To be quite honest, the account I located was unlike any I've seen in 
> > any 
> > groups.  So, it is possible, more messages will come through but I 
> > think I 
> > located the right address.  Only time will tell. 
> > 
> > Please know that I, on behalf of Cara, am paying close attention and am 
> > doing all I can to rid the list of such nuisances. 
> > 
> > For the record, the malicious string shut down my speech synthesizer, 
> > as 
> > well.  Very, very annoying.  Like others in this groups, I had to use 
> > my 
> > Windows computer with a non-mac screen reader to discover the source of 
> > the 
> > problem. 
> > 
> > Please know that we are in this together and, together, we'll get 
> > through 
> > it. 
> > 
> > Mark 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
> > Visionaries list. 
> > 
> > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, 
> > or 
> > if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 
> > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. 
> > 
> > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is 
> > Cara 
> > Quinn - you can reach Cara at cara...@caraquinn.com 
> > 
> > The archives for this list can be searched at: 
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ 
> > --- 
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> > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. 
> > For more options, visit https://groups.goog

Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Donna Goodin]

Caitlyn,

After restarting, if you don't get speech, press Command F5 to start Voiceover. 
 That should work.  I did have to do that once.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 8:31 AM, Caitlyn F  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> Also I restarted my computer several times and I still don't have speech 
> Caitlyn
> 
> Sent from Caitlyn's I phone
> 
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Anne Robertson  > wrote:
> 
>> Hello George,
>> 
>> First of all, the command to open the VO utility is VO-F8. Then, it is not 
>> only the Alex voice that is affected. I do not have Alex on my Mac! I use 
>> Fred and quite a few other voices in Various languages. Switching to a 
>> French voice did not work for me. I had to do a restart to get speech back.
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 15 Feb 2016, at 15:25, Basioli George >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> do the following
>>> 
>>> command f8 to open the voice over utilities
>>> in the table inter act and arrow down to speech and stop interactting
>>> v o right errow to the defalt voice pup up menu and it will read alix since 
>>> this is your defalt set voice
>>> v o spacebar on this and arrow down to a new voice and do v o spacebar and 
>>> the defalt voice will change and it will speak in the new choice
>>> 
>>> close the voice over utility
>>> 
>>> how’s that
 On Feb 15, 2016, at 6:21 AM, Caitlyn F >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi how do you fix this problem doesn't only affect the Alex screenreader 
 my mac is completely useless right now and all I have to work with is my 
 iPhone thanks a lot Caitlyn
 
 Sent from Caitlyn's I phone
 
 On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Andrew >>> > wrote:
 
> y screen reader stopped talking and I had to force shut the ocmputer.  
> Yes, we are grateful for helping us with this unacdceptale action.  
> Andrews problem.
> 
> On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 4:05:24 AM UTC, Chris Gilland wrote:
> Mark, 
> 
> Don't beat yourself up over this. 
> 
> You're doing the best you can, and that is all anyone ever could ask of 
> you. 
> 
> On behalf of the whole list, we thank you very very greatly for all 
> you're 
> doing! 
> 
> Chris. 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "M. Taylor" > 
> To: > 
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:55 PM 
> Subject: To The List About The Recent Spam 
> 
> 
> > Hello Everyone, 
> > 
> > I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to 
> > shut 
> > down the Alex screen reader this morning. 
> > 
> > At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and 
> > recognized 
> > it 
> > as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, for 
> > posting offensive language. 
> > 
> > For whatever reason, when I attempted to locate her/his address in the 
> > members list of this group, I could not find it.  Yet, the posts 
> > continued 
> > to come to the list. 
> > 
> > I was away from my computer for most of the day but, upon returning 
> > home 
> > about an hour or so ago, I managed to locate the user and first, change 
> > his/her posting privileges and then remove him from the list. 
> > 
> > To be quite honest, the account I located was unlike any I've seen in 
> > any 
> > groups.  So, it is possible, more messages will come through but I 
> > think I 
> > located the right address.  Only time will tell. 
> > 
> > Please know that I, on behalf of Cara, am paying close attention and am 
> > doing all I can to rid the list of such nuisances. 
> > 
> > For the record, the malicious string shut down my speech synthesizer, 
> > as 
> > well.  Very, very annoying.  Like others in this groups, I had to use 
> > my 
> > Windows computer with a non-mac screen reader to discover the source of 
> > the 
> > problem. 
> > 
> > Please know that we are in this together and, together, we'll get 
> > through 
> > it. 
> > 
> > Mark 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
> > Visionaries list. 
> > 
> > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, 
> > or 
> > if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 
> > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. 
> > 
> > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is 
> > Cara 
> > Quinn - you can reach Cara at cara...@caraquinn.com  
> > 
> > The archives for this list can be searched at: 
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ 
> >  
> > --- 
> > You re

Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Donna Goodin]

Caitlyn,

I was actually able to just quit mail, and then press the power button for a 
couple of seconds then press Enter.  This will shut your computer down.  If for 
some reason that doesn't work, just hold down the power button for about 5 
seconds.  Your computer will force shut down.  By the Way, don't shut your 
computer down that way unless you have to, but for now, it will 
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 8:29 AM, Caitlyn F  wrote:
> 
> Hi thanks for your input my computer isn't talking at all and I have no 
> vision so I can't do what you suggested any other ideas thanks Caitlyn
> 
> Sent from Caitlyn's I phone
> 
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Basioli George  > wrote:
> 
>> do the following
>> 
>> command f8 to open the voice over utilities
>> in the table inter act and arrow down to speech and stop interactting
>> v o right errow to the defalt voice pup up menu and it will read alix since 
>> this is your defalt set voice
>> v o spacebar on this and arrow down to a new voice and do v o spacebar and 
>> the defalt voice will change and it will speak in the new choice
>> 
>> close the voice over utility
>> 
>> how’s that
>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 6:21 AM, Caitlyn F >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi how do you fix this problem doesn't only affect the Alex screenreader my 
>>> mac is completely useless right now and all I have to work with is my 
>>> iPhone thanks a lot Caitlyn
>>> 
>>> Sent from Caitlyn's I phone
>>> 
>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Andrew >> > wrote:
>>> 
 y screen reader stopped talking and I had to force shut the ocmputer.  
 Yes, we are grateful for helping us with this unacdceptale action.  
 Andrews problem.
 
 On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 4:05:24 AM UTC, Chris Gilland wrote:
 Mark, 
 
 Don't beat yourself up over this. 
 
 You're doing the best you can, and that is all anyone ever could ask of 
 you. 
 
 On behalf of the whole list, we thank you very very greatly for all you're 
 doing! 
 
 Chris. 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: "M. Taylor" > 
 To: > 
 Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:55 PM 
 Subject: To The List About The Recent Spam 
 
 
 > Hello Everyone, 
 > 
 > I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to shut 
 > down the Alex screen reader this morning. 
 > 
 > At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and recognized 
 > it 
 > as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, for 
 > posting offensive language. 
 > 
 > For whatever reason, when I attempted to locate her/his address in the 
 > members list of this group, I could not find it.  Yet, the posts 
 > continued 
 > to come to the list. 
 > 
 > I was away from my computer for most of the day but, upon returning home 
 > about an hour or so ago, I managed to locate the user and first, change 
 > his/her posting privileges and then remove him from the list. 
 > 
 > To be quite honest, the account I located was unlike any I've seen in 
 > any 
 > groups.  So, it is possible, more messages will come through but I think 
 > I 
 > located the right address.  Only time will tell. 
 > 
 > Please know that I, on behalf of Cara, am paying close attention and am 
 > doing all I can to rid the list of such nuisances. 
 > 
 > For the record, the malicious string shut down my speech synthesizer, as 
 > well.  Very, very annoying.  Like others in this groups, I had to use my 
 > Windows computer with a non-mac screen reader to discover the source of 
 > the 
 > problem. 
 > 
 > Please know that we are in this together and, together, we'll get 
 > through 
 > it. 
 > 
 > Mark 
 > 
 > 
 > -- 
 > The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
 > Visionaries list. 
 > 
 > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or 
 > if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 
 > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. 
 > 
 > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is 
 > Cara 
 > Quinn - you can reach Cara at cara...@caraquinn.com  
 > 
 > The archives for this list can be searched at: 
 > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ 
 >  
 > --- 
 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
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 > "MacVisionaries" group. 
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 >

Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Donna Goodin]

Anne 

I'd never heard of the Cmd-Option-Ctrl power shut down option.  Thanks for 
sharing that.  What a useful trick when you find yourself in a situation where 
forcing shut down is the only option.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Caitlyn,
> 
> Try pressing Cmd-F5 to get VoiceOver back.
> I was able to delete all the messages using my Mac, but I have the preview 
> pane disabled, so messages do not open automatically when I land on them. Yet 
> another reason to dislike the preview pane.
> 
> Also, having shut down your Mac, you could try reinitialising the PRAM. Hold 
> down the Command, Option, letter p and letter r keys, then press the Power 
> button. Keep the four keys held down until you’ve heard the startup chime 
> four times. Release the four keys and your Mac should boot normally.
> 
> To shut down your Mac cleanly, hold down Command, Option and Control and 
> press the Eject key.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 15 Feb 2016, at 15:31, Caitlyn F > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> Also I restarted my computer several times and I still don't have speech 
>> Caitlyn
>> 
>> Sent from Caitlyn's I phone
>> 
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Anne Robertson > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello George,
>>> 
>>> First of all, the command to open the VO utility is VO-F8. Then, it is not 
>>> only the Alex voice that is affected. I do not have Alex on my Mac! I use 
>>> Fred and quite a few other voices in Various languages. Switching to a 
>>> French voice did not work for me. I had to do a restart to get speech back.
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
 On 15 Feb 2016, at 15:25, Basioli George >>> > wrote:
 
 do the following
 
 command f8 to open the voice over utilities
 in the table inter act and arrow down to speech and stop interactting
 v o right errow to the defalt voice pup up menu and it will read alix 
 since this is your defalt set voice
 v o spacebar on this and arrow down to a new voice and do v o spacebar and 
 the defalt voice will change and it will speak in the new choice
 
 close the voice over utility
 
 how’s that
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 6:21 AM, Caitlyn F  > wrote:
> 
> Hi how do you fix this problem doesn't only affect the Alex screenreader 
> my mac is completely useless right now and all I have to work with is my 
> iPhone thanks a lot Caitlyn
> 
> Sent from Caitlyn's I phone
> 
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Andrew  > wrote:
> 
>> y screen reader stopped talking and I had to force shut the ocmputer.  
>> Yes, we are grateful for helping us with this unacdceptale action.  
>> Andrews problem.
>> 
>> On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 4:05:24 AM UTC, Chris Gilland wrote:
>> Mark, 
>> 
>> Don't beat yourself up over this. 
>> 
>> You're doing the best you can, and that is all anyone ever could ask of 
>> you. 
>> 
>> On behalf of the whole list, we thank you very very greatly for all 
>> you're 
>> doing! 
>> 
>> Chris. 
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "M. Taylor" > 
>> To: > 
>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:55 PM 
>> Subject: To The List About The Recent Spam 
>> 
>> 
>> > Hello Everyone, 
>> > 
>> > I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to 
>> > shut 
>> > down the Alex screen reader this morning. 
>> > 
>> > At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and 
>> > recognized 
>> > it 
>> > as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, for 
>> > posting offensive language. 
>> > 
>> > For whatever reason, when I attempted to locate her/his address in the 
>> > members list of this group, I could not find it.  Yet, the posts 
>> > continued 
>> > to come to the list. 
>> > 
>> > I was away from my computer for most of the day but, upon returning 
>> > home 
>> > about an hour or so ago, I managed to locate the user and first, 
>> > change 
>> > his/her posting privileges and then remove him from the list. 
>> > 
>> > To be quite honest, the account I located was unlike any I've seen in 
>> > any 
>> > groups.  So, it is possible, more messages will come through but I 
>> > think I 
>> > located the right address.  Only time will tell. 
>> > 
>> > Please know that I, on behalf of Cara, am paying close attention and 
>> > am 
>> > doing all I can to rid the list of such nuisances. 
>> > 
>> > For the record, the malicious string shut down my speech synthesizer, 
>> > as 
>> > well.  Very, very annoying.  Like others in this groups, I had to use 
>> > my 
>> > Windows computer with a non-mac scr

Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Caitlyn,

Try pressing Cmd-F5 to get VoiceOver back.
I was able to delete all the messages using my Mac, but I have the preview pane 
disabled, so messages do not open automatically when I land on them. Yet 
another reason to dislike the preview pane.

Also, having shut down your Mac, you could try reinitialising the PRAM. Hold 
down the Command, Option, letter p and letter r keys, then press the Power 
button. Keep the four keys held down until you’ve heard the startup chime four 
times. Release the four keys and your Mac should boot normally.

To shut down your Mac cleanly, hold down Command, Option and Control and press 
the Eject key.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 15 Feb 2016, at 15:31, Caitlyn F  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> Also I restarted my computer several times and I still don't have speech 
> Caitlyn
> 
> Sent from Caitlyn's I phone
> 
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Anne Robertson  > wrote:
> 
>> Hello George,
>> 
>> First of all, the command to open the VO utility is VO-F8. Then, it is not 
>> only the Alex voice that is affected. I do not have Alex on my Mac! I use 
>> Fred and quite a few other voices in Various languages. Switching to a 
>> French voice did not work for me. I had to do a restart to get speech back.
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 15 Feb 2016, at 15:25, Basioli George >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> do the following
>>> 
>>> command f8 to open the voice over utilities
>>> in the table inter act and arrow down to speech and stop interactting
>>> v o right errow to the defalt voice pup up menu and it will read alix since 
>>> this is your defalt set voice
>>> v o spacebar on this and arrow down to a new voice and do v o spacebar and 
>>> the defalt voice will change and it will speak in the new choice
>>> 
>>> close the voice over utility
>>> 
>>> how’s that
 On Feb 15, 2016, at 6:21 AM, Caitlyn F >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi how do you fix this problem doesn't only affect the Alex screenreader 
 my mac is completely useless right now and all I have to work with is my 
 iPhone thanks a lot Caitlyn
 
 Sent from Caitlyn's I phone
 
 On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Andrew >>> > wrote:
 
> y screen reader stopped talking and I had to force shut the ocmputer.  
> Yes, we are grateful for helping us with this unacdceptale action.  
> Andrews problem.
> 
> On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 4:05:24 AM UTC, Chris Gilland wrote:
> Mark, 
> 
> Don't beat yourself up over this. 
> 
> You're doing the best you can, and that is all anyone ever could ask of 
> you. 
> 
> On behalf of the whole list, we thank you very very greatly for all 
> you're 
> doing! 
> 
> Chris. 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "M. Taylor" > 
> To: > 
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:55 PM 
> Subject: To The List About The Recent Spam 
> 
> 
> > Hello Everyone, 
> > 
> > I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to 
> > shut 
> > down the Alex screen reader this morning. 
> > 
> > At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and 
> > recognized 
> > it 
> > as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, for 
> > posting offensive language. 
> > 
> > For whatever reason, when I attempted to locate her/his address in the 
> > members list of this group, I could not find it.  Yet, the posts 
> > continued 
> > to come to the list. 
> > 
> > I was away from my computer for most of the day but, upon returning 
> > home 
> > about an hour or so ago, I managed to locate the user and first, change 
> > his/her posting privileges and then remove him from the list. 
> > 
> > To be quite honest, the account I located was unlike any I've seen in 
> > any 
> > groups.  So, it is possible, more messages will come through but I 
> > think I 
> > located the right address.  Only time will tell. 
> > 
> > Please know that I, on behalf of Cara, am paying close attention and am 
> > doing all I can to rid the list of such nuisances. 
> > 
> > For the record, the malicious string shut down my speech synthesizer, 
> > as 
> > well.  Very, very annoying.  Like others in this groups, I had to use 
> > my 
> > Windows computer with a non-mac screen reader to discover the source of 
> > the 
> > problem. 
> > 
> > Please know that we are in this together and, together, we'll get 
> > through 
> > it. 
> > 
> > Mark 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
> > Visionaries list. 
> > 
> > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, 
> > or 
> > if you feel that a member's post 

Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Jeff Berwick]

Alternatively, you can hold down vo command and use your right and left arrows 
to get to the speech setting.  You can then switch to using the up and down 
arrows with vo + command pressed to cycle through the options.

Just a little easier.

Hah,
Jeff


> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Basioli George  wrote:
> 
> do the following
> 
> command f8 to open the voice over utilities
> in the table inter act and arrow down to speech and stop interactting
> v o right errow to the defalt voice pup up menu and it will read alix since 
> this is your defalt set voice
> v o spacebar on this and arrow down to a new voice and do v o spacebar and 
> the defalt voice will change and it will speak in the new choice
> 
> close the voice over utility
> 
> how’s that
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 6:21 AM, Caitlyn F > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi how do you fix this problem doesn't only affect the Alex screenreader my 
>> mac is completely useless right now and all I have to work with is my iPhone 
>> thanks a lot Caitlyn
>> 
>> Sent from Caitlyn's I phone
>> 
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Andrew > > wrote:
>> 
>>> y screen reader stopped talking and I had to force shut the ocmputer.  Yes, 
>>> we are grateful for helping us with this unacdceptale action.  Andrews 
>>> problem.
>>> 
>>> On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 4:05:24 AM UTC, Chris Gilland wrote:
>>> Mark, 
>>> 
>>> Don't beat yourself up over this. 
>>> 
>>> You're doing the best you can, and that is all anyone ever could ask of 
>>> you. 
>>> 
>>> On behalf of the whole list, we thank you very very greatly for all you're 
>>> doing! 
>>> 
>>> Chris. 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "M. Taylor" > 
>>> To: > 
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:55 PM 
>>> Subject: To The List About The Recent Spam 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> > Hello Everyone, 
>>> > 
>>> > I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to shut 
>>> > down the Alex screen reader this morning. 
>>> > 
>>> > At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and recognized 
>>> > it 
>>> > as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, for 
>>> > posting offensive language. 
>>> > 
>>> > For whatever reason, when I attempted to locate her/his address in the 
>>> > members list of this group, I could not find it.  Yet, the posts 
>>> > continued 
>>> > to come to the list. 
>>> > 
>>> > I was away from my computer for most of the day but, upon returning home 
>>> > about an hour or so ago, I managed to locate the user and first, change 
>>> > his/her posting privileges and then remove him from the list. 
>>> > 
>>> > To be quite honest, the account I located was unlike any I've seen in any 
>>> > groups.  So, it is possible, more messages will come through but I think 
>>> > I 
>>> > located the right address.  Only time will tell. 
>>> > 
>>> > Please know that I, on behalf of Cara, am paying close attention and am 
>>> > doing all I can to rid the list of such nuisances. 
>>> > 
>>> > For the record, the malicious string shut down my speech synthesizer, as 
>>> > well.  Very, very annoying.  Like others in this groups, I had to use my 
>>> > Windows computer with a non-mac screen reader to discover the source of 
>>> > the 
>>> > problem. 
>>> > 
>>> > Please know that we are in this together and, together, we'll get through 
>>> > it. 
>>> > 
>>> > Mark 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > -- 
>>> > The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>>> > Visionaries list. 
>>> > 
>>> > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or 
>>> > if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 
>>> > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. 
>>> > 
>>> > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara 
>>> > Quinn - you can reach Cara at cara...@caraquinn.com  
>>> > 
>>> > The archives for this list can be searched at: 
>>> > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ 
>>> >  
>>> > --- 
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>>> > "MacVisionaries" group. 
>>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
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>>> > . 
>>> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
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>>>  
>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
>>> or moderators d

Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Caitlyn Furness]

Just fyi, this trick also works on the desk top mac, but it’s then control, 
option, command eject instead of power..
hth,
Caitlyn

> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:48 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Anne 
> 
> I'd never heard of the Cmd-Option-Ctrl power shut down option.  Thanks for 
> sharing that.  What a useful trick when you find yourself in a situation 
> where forcing shut down is the only option.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Anne Robertson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Caitlyn,
>> 
>> Try pressing Cmd-F5 to get VoiceOver back.
>> I was able to delete all the messages using my Mac, but I have the preview 
>> pane disabled, so messages do not open automatically when I land on them. 
>> Yet another reason to dislike the preview pane.
>> 
>> Also, having shut down your Mac, you could try reinitialising the PRAM. Hold 
>> down the Command, Option, letter p and letter r keys, then press the Power 
>> button. Keep the four keys held down until you’ve heard the startup chime 
>> four times. Release the four keys and your Mac should boot normally.
>> 
>> To shut down your Mac cleanly, hold down Command, Option and Control and 
>> press the Eject key.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 15 Feb 2016, at 15:31, Caitlyn F >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> Also I restarted my computer several times and I still don't have speech 
>>> Caitlyn
>>> 
>>> Sent from Caitlyn's I phone
>>> 
>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Anne Robertson >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hello George,
 
 First of all, the command to open the VO utility is VO-F8. Then, it is not 
 only the Alex voice that is affected. I do not have Alex on my Mac! I use 
 Fred and quite a few other voices in Various languages. Switching to a 
 French voice did not work for me. I had to do a restart to get speech back.
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
> On 15 Feb 2016, at 15:25, Basioli George  > wrote:
> 
> do the following
> 
> command f8 to open the voice over utilities
> in the table inter act and arrow down to speech and stop interactting
> v o right errow to the defalt voice pup up menu and it will read alix 
> since this is your defalt set voice
> v o spacebar on this and arrow down to a new voice and do v o spacebar 
> and the defalt voice will change and it will speak in the new choice
> 
> close the voice over utility
> 
> how’s that
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 6:21 AM, Caitlyn F > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi how do you fix this problem doesn't only affect the Alex screenreader 
>> my mac is completely useless right now and all I have to work with is my 
>> iPhone thanks a lot Caitlyn
>> 
>> Sent from Caitlyn's I phone
>> 
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Andrew > > wrote:
>> 
>>> y screen reader stopped talking and I had to force shut the ocmputer.  
>>> Yes, we are grateful for helping us with this unacdceptale action.  
>>> Andrews problem.
>>> 
>>> On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 4:05:24 AM UTC, Chris Gilland wrote:
>>> Mark, 
>>> 
>>> Don't beat yourself up over this. 
>>> 
>>> You're doing the best you can, and that is all anyone ever could ask of 
>>> you. 
>>> 
>>> On behalf of the whole list, we thank you very very greatly for all 
>>> you're 
>>> doing! 
>>> 
>>> Chris. 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "M. Taylor" > 
>>> To: > 
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:55 PM 
>>> Subject: To The List About The Recent Spam 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> > Hello Everyone, 
>>> > 
>>> > I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to 
>>> > shut 
>>> > down the Alex screen reader this morning. 
>>> > 
>>> > At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and 
>>> > recognized 
>>> > it 
>>> > as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, 
>>> > for 
>>> > posting offensive language. 
>>> > 
>>> > For whatever reason, when I attempted to locate her/his address in 
>>> > the 
>>> > members list of this group, I could not find it.  Yet, the posts 
>>> > continued 
>>> > to come to the list. 
>>> > 
>>> > I was away from my computer for most of the day but, upon returning 
>>> > home 
>>> > about an hour or so ago, I managed to locate the user and first, 
>>> > change 
>>> > his/her posting privileges and then remove him from the list. 
>>> > 
>>> > To be quite honest, the account I located was unlike any I've seen in 
>>> > any 
>>> > groups.  So, it is possible, more messages will come through but I 
>>> > think I 
>>> > located the right address.  Only time will tell. 
>>> > 
>>> > Pl

Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Caitlyn Furness]

Hi Ann,

thanks for your suggestions.  I managed to get my own i mac speaking again by 
doing the vo f5 command.  I did go and change my default from Alex to Moira, 
just in case.

My husband’s mac is still fubar, and I’ve restarted it several times.  It makes 
a bonking noise when I try to go into vo utility, so I’ll try reinitialzing the 
pram first.  vo f5 isn’t working on his machine, either.  He has windows set to 
reopen when restarting, though, so I will try and disable that option before 
restarting his machine.

Interestingly and annoying, my braille also went south when Alex died. 
Everything’s back now for me, though, just have to get hubby’s machine working 
for him now.

thanks again,
Cait

> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:44 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Caitlyn,
> 
> Try pressing Cmd-F5 to get VoiceOver back.
> I was able to delete all the messages using my Mac, but I have the preview 
> pane disabled, so messages do not open automatically when I land on them. Yet 
> another reason to dislike the preview pane.
> 
> Also, having shut down your Mac, you could try reinitialising the PRAM. Hold 
> down the Command, Option, letter p and letter r keys, then press the Power 
> button. Keep the four keys held down until you’ve heard the startup chime 
> four times. Release the four keys and your Mac should boot normally.
> 
> To shut down your Mac cleanly, hold down Command, Option and Control and 
> press the Eject key.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 15 Feb 2016, at 15:31, Caitlyn F > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> Also I restarted my computer several times and I still don't have speech 
>> Caitlyn
>> 
>> Sent from Caitlyn's I phone
>> 
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Anne Robertson > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello George,
>>> 
>>> First of all, the command to open the VO utility is VO-F8. Then, it is not 
>>> only the Alex voice that is affected. I do not have Alex on my Mac! I use 
>>> Fred and quite a few other voices in Various languages. Switching to a 
>>> French voice did not work for me. I had to do a restart to get speech back.
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
 On 15 Feb 2016, at 15:25, Basioli George >>> > wrote:
 
 do the following
 
 command f8 to open the voice over utilities
 in the table inter act and arrow down to speech and stop interactting
 v o right errow to the defalt voice pup up menu and it will read alix 
 since this is your defalt set voice
 v o spacebar on this and arrow down to a new voice and do v o spacebar and 
 the defalt voice will change and it will speak in the new choice
 
 close the voice over utility
 
 how’s that
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 6:21 AM, Caitlyn F  > wrote:
> 
> Hi how do you fix this problem doesn't only affect the Alex screenreader 
> my mac is completely useless right now and all I have to work with is my 
> iPhone thanks a lot Caitlyn
> 
> Sent from Caitlyn's I phone
> 
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Andrew  > wrote:
> 
>> y screen reader stopped talking and I had to force shut the ocmputer.  
>> Yes, we are grateful for helping us with this unacdceptale action.  
>> Andrews problem.
>> 
>> On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 4:05:24 AM UTC, Chris Gilland wrote:
>> Mark, 
>> 
>> Don't beat yourself up over this. 
>> 
>> You're doing the best you can, and that is all anyone ever could ask of 
>> you. 
>> 
>> On behalf of the whole list, we thank you very very greatly for all 
>> you're 
>> doing! 
>> 
>> Chris. 
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "M. Taylor" > 
>> To: > 
>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:55 PM 
>> Subject: To The List About The Recent Spam 
>> 
>> 
>> > Hello Everyone, 
>> > 
>> > I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to 
>> > shut 
>> > down the Alex screen reader this morning. 
>> > 
>> > At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and 
>> > recognized 
>> > it 
>> > as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, for 
>> > posting offensive language. 
>> > 
>> > For whatever reason, when I attempted to locate her/his address in the 
>> > members list of this group, I could not find it.  Yet, the posts 
>> > continued 
>> > to come to the list. 
>> > 
>> > I was away from my computer for most of the day but, upon returning 
>> > home 
>> > about an hour or so ago, I managed to locate the user and first, 
>> > change 
>> > his/her posting privileges and then remove him from the list. 
>> > 
>> > To be quite honest, the account I located was unlike any I've seen in 
>> > any 
>> > groups.  So, it is possible, more messages will co

Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Caitlyn Furness]

Just tried this with the other machine also, and only get bonks.

Weird, and annoying!!

Some people really have a lot of time on their hands these days!

Caitlyn

> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:41 AM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
> Alternatively, you can hold down vo command and use your right and left 
> arrows to get to the speech setting.  You can then switch to using the up and 
> down arrows with vo + command pressed to cycle through the options.
> 
> Just a little easier.
> 
> Hah,
> Jeff
> 
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Basioli George > > wrote:
>> 
>> do the following
>> 
>> command f8 to open the voice over utilities
>> in the table inter act and arrow down to speech and stop interactting
>> v o right errow to the defalt voice pup up menu and it will read alix since 
>> this is your defalt set voice
>> v o spacebar on this and arrow down to a new voice and do v o spacebar and 
>> the defalt voice will change and it will speak in the new choice
>> 
>> close the voice over utility
>> 
>> how’s that
>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 6:21 AM, Caitlyn F >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi how do you fix this problem doesn't only affect the Alex screenreader my 
>>> mac is completely useless right now and all I have to work with is my 
>>> iPhone thanks a lot Caitlyn
>>> 
>>> Sent from Caitlyn's I phone
>>> 
>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Andrew >> > wrote:
>>> 
 y screen reader stopped talking and I had to force shut the ocmputer.  
 Yes, we are grateful for helping us with this unacdceptale action.  
 Andrews problem.
 
 On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 4:05:24 AM UTC, Chris Gilland wrote:
 Mark, 
 
 Don't beat yourself up over this. 
 
 You're doing the best you can, and that is all anyone ever could ask of 
 you. 
 
 On behalf of the whole list, we thank you very very greatly for all you're 
 doing! 
 
 Chris. 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: "M. Taylor" > 
 To: > 
 Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:55 PM 
 Subject: To The List About The Recent Spam 
 
 
 > Hello Everyone, 
 > 
 > I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to shut 
 > down the Alex screen reader this morning. 
 > 
 > At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and recognized 
 > it 
 > as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, for 
 > posting offensive language. 
 > 
 > For whatever reason, when I attempted to locate her/his address in the 
 > members list of this group, I could not find it.  Yet, the posts 
 > continued 
 > to come to the list. 
 > 
 > I was away from my computer for most of the day but, upon returning home 
 > about an hour or so ago, I managed to locate the user and first, change 
 > his/her posting privileges and then remove him from the list. 
 > 
 > To be quite honest, the account I located was unlike any I've seen in 
 > any 
 > groups.  So, it is possible, more messages will come through but I think 
 > I 
 > located the right address.  Only time will tell. 
 > 
 > Please know that I, on behalf of Cara, am paying close attention and am 
 > doing all I can to rid the list of such nuisances. 
 > 
 > For the record, the malicious string shut down my speech synthesizer, as 
 > well.  Very, very annoying.  Like others in this groups, I had to use my 
 > Windows computer with a non-mac screen reader to discover the source of 
 > the 
 > problem. 
 > 
 > Please know that we are in this together and, together, we'll get 
 > through 
 > it. 
 > 
 > Mark 
 > 
 > 
 > -- 
 > The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
 > Visionaries list. 
 > 
 > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or 
 > if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 
 > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. 
 > 
 > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is 
 > Cara 
 > Quinn - you can reach Cara at cara...@caraquinn.com  
 > 
 > The archives for this list can be searched at: 
 > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ 
 >  
 > --- 
 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
 > Groups 
 > "MacVisionaries" group. 
 > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send 
 > an 
 > email to macvisionarie...@googlegroups.com . 
 > To post to this group, send email to macvisi...@googlegroups.com 
 > . 
 > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries 
 > 

Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Caitlyn Furness]

thanks Donna.
Cait

> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:41 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Caitlyn,
> 
> After restarting, if you don't get speech, press Command F5 to start 
> Voiceover.  That should work.  I did have to do that once.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 8:31 AM, Caitlyn F > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> Also I restarted my computer several times and I still don't have speech 
>> Caitlyn
>> 
>> Sent from Caitlyn's I phone
>> 
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Anne Robertson > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello George,
>>> 
>>> First of all, the command to open the VO utility is VO-F8. Then, it is not 
>>> only the Alex voice that is affected. I do not have Alex on my Mac! I use 
>>> Fred and quite a few other voices in Various languages. Switching to a 
>>> French voice did not work for me. I had to do a restart to get speech back.
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
 On 15 Feb 2016, at 15:25, Basioli George >>> > wrote:
 
 do the following
 
 command f8 to open the voice over utilities
 in the table inter act and arrow down to speech and stop interactting
 v o right errow to the defalt voice pup up menu and it will read alix 
 since this is your defalt set voice
 v o spacebar on this and arrow down to a new voice and do v o spacebar and 
 the defalt voice will change and it will speak in the new choice
 
 close the voice over utility
 
 how’s that
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 6:21 AM, Caitlyn F  > wrote:
> 
> Hi how do you fix this problem doesn't only affect the Alex screenreader 
> my mac is completely useless right now and all I have to work with is my 
> iPhone thanks a lot Caitlyn
> 
> Sent from Caitlyn's I phone
> 
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Andrew  > wrote:
> 
>> y screen reader stopped talking and I had to force shut the ocmputer.  
>> Yes, we are grateful for helping us with this unacdceptale action.  
>> Andrews problem.
>> 
>> On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 4:05:24 AM UTC, Chris Gilland wrote:
>> Mark, 
>> 
>> Don't beat yourself up over this. 
>> 
>> You're doing the best you can, and that is all anyone ever could ask of 
>> you. 
>> 
>> On behalf of the whole list, we thank you very very greatly for all 
>> you're 
>> doing! 
>> 
>> Chris. 
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "M. Taylor" > 
>> To: > 
>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:55 PM 
>> Subject: To The List About The Recent Spam 
>> 
>> 
>> > Hello Everyone, 
>> > 
>> > I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to 
>> > shut 
>> > down the Alex screen reader this morning. 
>> > 
>> > At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and 
>> > recognized 
>> > it 
>> > as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, for 
>> > posting offensive language. 
>> > 
>> > For whatever reason, when I attempted to locate her/his address in the 
>> > members list of this group, I could not find it.  Yet, the posts 
>> > continued 
>> > to come to the list. 
>> > 
>> > I was away from my computer for most of the day but, upon returning 
>> > home 
>> > about an hour or so ago, I managed to locate the user and first, 
>> > change 
>> > his/her posting privileges and then remove him from the list. 
>> > 
>> > To be quite honest, the account I located was unlike any I've seen in 
>> > any 
>> > groups.  So, it is possible, more messages will come through but I 
>> > think I 
>> > located the right address.  Only time will tell. 
>> > 
>> > Please know that I, on behalf of Cara, am paying close attention and 
>> > am 
>> > doing all I can to rid the list of such nuisances. 
>> > 
>> > For the record, the malicious string shut down my speech synthesizer, 
>> > as 
>> > well.  Very, very annoying.  Like others in this groups, I had to use 
>> > my 
>> > Windows computer with a non-mac screen reader to discover the source 
>> > of 
>> > the 
>> > problem. 
>> > 
>> > Please know that we are in this together and, together, we'll get 
>> > through 
>> > it. 
>> > 
>> > Mark 
>> > 
>> > 
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>> > Visionaries list. 
>> > 
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>> > if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 
>> > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. 
>> > 
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>> > Cara 
>> > Qu

Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Donna Goodin]

That makes sense.  On the MacBook Air, the Power button and the Eject button 
are the same.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:02 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
> 
> Just fyi, this trick also works on the desk top mac, but it’s then control, 
> option, command eject instead of power..
> hth,
> Caitlyn
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:48 AM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Anne 
>> 
>> I'd never heard of the Cmd-Option-Ctrl power shut down option.  Thanks for 
>> sharing that.  What a useful trick when you find yourself in a situation 
>> where forcing shut down is the only option.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Anne Robertson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Caitlyn,
>>> 
>>> Try pressing Cmd-F5 to get VoiceOver back.
>>> I was able to delete all the messages using my Mac, but I have the preview 
>>> pane disabled, so messages do not open automatically when I land on them. 
>>> Yet another reason to dislike the preview pane.
>>> 
>>> Also, having shut down your Mac, you could try reinitialising the PRAM. 
>>> Hold down the Command, Option, letter p and letter r keys, then press the 
>>> Power button. Keep the four keys held down until you’ve heard the startup 
>>> chime four times. Release the four keys and your Mac should boot normally.
>>> 
>>> To shut down your Mac cleanly, hold down Command, Option and Control and 
>>> press the Eject key.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
 On 15 Feb 2016, at 15:31, Caitlyn F >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi
 Also I restarted my computer several times and I still don't have speech 
 Caitlyn
 
 Sent from Caitlyn's I phone
 
 On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Anne Robertson >>> > wrote:
 
> Hello George,
> 
> First of all, the command to open the VO utility is VO-F8. Then, it is 
> not only the Alex voice that is affected. I do not have Alex on my Mac! I 
> use Fred and quite a few other voices in Various languages. Switching to 
> a French voice did not work for me. I had to do a restart to get speech 
> back.
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 15 Feb 2016, at 15:25, Basioli George > > wrote:
>> 
>> do the following
>> 
>> command f8 to open the voice over utilities
>> in the table inter act and arrow down to speech and stop interactting
>> v o right errow to the defalt voice pup up menu and it will read alix 
>> since this is your defalt set voice
>> v o spacebar on this and arrow down to a new voice and do v o spacebar 
>> and the defalt voice will change and it will speak in the new choice
>> 
>> close the voice over utility
>> 
>> how’s that
>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 6:21 AM, Caitlyn F >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi how do you fix this problem doesn't only affect the Alex 
>>> screenreader my mac is completely useless right now and all I have to 
>>> work with is my iPhone thanks a lot Caitlyn
>>> 
>>> Sent from Caitlyn's I phone
>>> 
>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Andrew >> > wrote:
>>> 
 y screen reader stopped talking and I had to force shut the ocmputer.  
 Yes, we are grateful for helping us with this unacdceptale action.  
 Andrews problem.
 
 On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 4:05:24 AM UTC, Chris Gilland wrote:
 Mark, 
 
 Don't beat yourself up over this. 
 
 You're doing the best you can, and that is all anyone ever could ask 
 of you. 
 
 On behalf of the whole list, we thank you very very greatly for all 
 you're 
 doing! 
 
 Chris. 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: "M. Taylor" > 
 To: > 
 Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:55 PM 
 Subject: To The List About The Recent Spam 
 
 
 > Hello Everyone, 
 > 
 > I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to 
 > shut 
 > down the Alex screen reader this morning. 
 > 
 > At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and 
 > recognized 
 > it 
 > as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, 
 > for 
 > posting offensive language. 
 > 
 > For whatever reason, when I attempted to locate her/his address in 
 > the 
 > members list of this group, I could not find it.  Yet, the posts 
 > continued 
 > to come to the list. 
 > 
 > I was away from my computer for most of the day but, upon returning 
 > home 
 > about an hour or so ago, I managed to locate the user and first, 
 > change 
 > his/he

Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Basioli George]

also on the new mac book pros 2015 and newer with no optical drive there is no 
power button and the old eject button is now the power button
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 7:11 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> That makes sense.  On the MacBook Air, the Power button and the Eject button 
> are the same.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:02 AM, Caitlyn Furness > > wrote:
>> 
>> Just fyi, this trick also works on the desk top mac, but it’s then control, 
>> option, command eject instead of power..
>> hth,
>> Caitlyn
>> 
>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:48 AM, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anne 
>>> 
>>> I'd never heard of the Cmd-Option-Ctrl power shut down option.  Thanks for 
>>> sharing that.  What a useful trick when you find yourself in a situation 
>>> where forcing shut down is the only option.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Feb 15, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Anne Robertson >>> > wrote:
 
 Hello Caitlyn,
 
 Try pressing Cmd-F5 to get VoiceOver back.
 I was able to delete all the messages using my Mac, but I have the preview 
 pane disabled, so messages do not open automatically when I land on them. 
 Yet another reason to dislike the preview pane.
 
 Also, having shut down your Mac, you could try reinitialising the PRAM. 
 Hold down the Command, Option, letter p and letter r keys, then press the 
 Power button. Keep the four keys held down until you’ve heard the startup 
 chime four times. Release the four keys and your Mac should boot normally.
 
 To shut down your Mac cleanly, hold down Command, Option and Control and 
 press the Eject key.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
> On 15 Feb 2016, at 15:31, Caitlyn F  > wrote:
> 
> Hi
> Also I restarted my computer several times and I still don't have speech 
> Caitlyn
> 
> Sent from Caitlyn's I phone
> 
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Anne Robertson  > wrote:
> 
>> Hello George,
>> 
>> First of all, the command to open the VO utility is VO-F8. Then, it is 
>> not only the Alex voice that is affected. I do not have Alex on my Mac! 
>> I use Fred and quite a few other voices in Various languages. Switching 
>> to a French voice did not work for me. I had to do a restart to get 
>> speech back.
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 15 Feb 2016, at 15:25, Basioli George >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> do the following
>>> 
>>> command f8 to open the voice over utilities
>>> in the table inter act and arrow down to speech and stop interactting
>>> v o right errow to the defalt voice pup up menu and it will read alix 
>>> since this is your defalt set voice
>>> v o spacebar on this and arrow down to a new voice and do v o spacebar 
>>> and the defalt voice will change and it will speak in the new choice
>>> 
>>> close the voice over utility
>>> 
>>> how’s that
 On Feb 15, 2016, at 6:21 AM, Caitlyn F >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi how do you fix this problem doesn't only affect the Alex 
 screenreader my mac is completely useless right now and all I have to 
 work with is my iPhone thanks a lot Caitlyn
 
 Sent from Caitlyn's I phone
 
 On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Andrew >>> > wrote:
 
> y screen reader stopped talking and I had to force shut the ocmputer. 
>  Yes, we are grateful for helping us with this unacdceptale action.  
> Andrews problem.
> 
> On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 4:05:24 AM UTC, Chris Gilland wrote:
> Mark, 
> 
> Don't beat yourself up over this. 
> 
> You're doing the best you can, and that is all anyone ever could ask 
> of you. 
> 
> On behalf of the whole list, we thank you very very greatly for all 
> you're 
> doing! 
> 
> Chris. 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "M. Taylor" > 
> To: > 
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:55 PM 
> Subject: To The List About The Recent Spam 
> 
> 
> > Hello Everyone, 
> > 
> > I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to 
> > shut 
> > down the Alex screen reader this morning. 
> > 
> > At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and 
> > recognized 
> > it 
> > as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, 
> > for 
> > posting offensive language. 
> > 
> > For whatever reason, when I attempted to locate her/his address in 
>

Re:

[Caitlyn Furness]

Hi,
Is there a way to shut down mail via terminal?

the computer I am currently trying to fix from this stupid malicious code

thanks
Cait

> On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:49 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> If you get caught by the very long strings that kills Alex and aren’t using 
> another synth or can’t switch to it, you can press Command+Space, type 
> terminal, press enter.  Press backspace and listen for the bell.  Type “sudo 
> shutdown -r now” and press enter, type your password, and press enter.  Your 
> Mac restarts.
> 
> The perpetrator is sending emails to individual members from a gmail account 
> off-list as well, so watch out.
> 
> Obviously I sincerely hope that the moderators hang the responsible party 
> from the gallows by the naughty bits.  It probably won’t help, but it’s worth 
> trying.
> 
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Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Stacey Robinson]

Can someone explain to me what this person did and how to keep it from 
happening again?
I’ve had to restart several times but vo with Alex is working for me now.
I’ve also had to delete massive amounts of mail.

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net 
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ann,
> 
> thanks for your suggestions.  I managed to get my own i mac speaking again by 
> doing the vo f5 command.  I did go and change my default from Alex to Moira, 
> just in case.
> 
> My husband’s mac is still fubar, and I’ve restarted it several times.  It 
> makes a bonking noise when I try to go into vo utility, so I’ll try 
> reinitialzing the pram first.  vo f5 isn’t working on his machine, either.  
> He has windows set to reopen when restarting, though, so I will try and 
> disable that option before restarting his machine.
> 
> Interestingly and annoying, my braille also went south when Alex died. 
> Everything’s back now for me, though, just have to get hubby’s machine 
> working for him now.
> 
> thanks again,
> Cait
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:44 AM, Anne Robertson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Caitlyn,
>> 
>> Try pressing Cmd-F5 to get VoiceOver back.
>> I was able to delete all the messages using my Mac, but I have the preview 
>> pane disabled, so messages do not open automatically when I land on them. 
>> Yet another reason to dislike the preview pane.
>> 
>> Also, having shut down your Mac, you could try reinitialising the PRAM. Hold 
>> down the Command, Option, letter p and letter r keys, then press the Power 
>> button. Keep the four keys held down until you’ve heard the startup chime 
>> four times. Release the four keys and your Mac should boot normally.
>> 
>> To shut down your Mac cleanly, hold down Command, Option and Control and 
>> press the Eject key.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 15 Feb 2016, at 15:31, Caitlyn F >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> Also I restarted my computer several times and I still don't have speech 
>>> Caitlyn
>>> 
>>> Sent from Caitlyn's I phone
>>> 
>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Anne Robertson >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hello George,
 
 First of all, the command to open the VO utility is VO-F8. Then, it is not 
 only the Alex voice that is affected. I do not have Alex on my Mac! I use 
 Fred and quite a few other voices in Various languages. Switching to a 
 French voice did not work for me. I had to do a restart to get speech back.
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
> On 15 Feb 2016, at 15:25, Basioli George  > wrote:
> 
> do the following
> 
> command f8 to open the voice over utilities
> in the table inter act and arrow down to speech and stop interactting
> v o right errow to the defalt voice pup up menu and it will read alix 
> since this is your defalt set voice
> v o spacebar on this and arrow down to a new voice and do v o spacebar 
> and the defalt voice will change and it will speak in the new choice
> 
> close the voice over utility
> 
> how’s that
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 6:21 AM, Caitlyn F > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi how do you fix this problem doesn't only affect the Alex screenreader 
>> my mac is completely useless right now and all I have to work with is my 
>> iPhone thanks a lot Caitlyn
>> 
>> Sent from Caitlyn's I phone
>> 
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Andrew > > wrote:
>> 
>>> y screen reader stopped talking and I had to force shut the ocmputer.  
>>> Yes, we are grateful for helping us with this unacdceptale action.  
>>> Andrews problem.
>>> 
>>> On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 4:05:24 AM UTC, Chris Gilland wrote:
>>> Mark, 
>>> 
>>> Don't beat yourself up over this. 
>>> 
>>> You're doing the best you can, and that is all anyone ever could ask of 
>>> you. 
>>> 
>>> On behalf of the whole list, we thank you very very greatly for all 
>>> you're 
>>> doing! 
>>> 
>>> Chris. 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "M. Taylor" > 
>>> To: > 
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:55 PM 
>>> Subject: To The List About The Recent Spam 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> > Hello Everyone, 
>>> > 
>>> > I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to 
>>> > shut 
>>> > down the Alex screen reader this morning. 
>>> > 
>>> > At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and 
>>> > recognized 
>>> > it 
>>> > as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, 
>>> > for 
>>> > posting offensive language. 
>>> > 
>>> > For whatever reason, 

using terminal

[Caitlyn Furness]

Hi,
Just wanted to let people know that they can also use terminal to quit a 
particular app.

You do this by typing vo space, then typing terminal.  this will open terminal
 You’ll probably have to enter your pass word, then type: osascript -e quit app 
app name, then hit enter

this is how I could finally close the offending app on my hubby’s mac.  After 
that, I started voiceover with command f5.  He already had another voice 
selected(he used control, command, option v to do this, but it doesn’t change 
the default voice in voice over utility.).  I then went to vo utility with vo 
f8, then down to speech, tab a couple of times and get to the voices table, 
then select the new voice with the pop up on the default voice.

Everything seems to be working for him now.

thanks for everyone’s help on this annoying stuff!!

Cait

> On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:49 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> If you get caught by the very long strings that kills Alex and aren’t using 
> another synth or can’t switch to it, you can press Command+Space, type 
> terminal, press enter.  Press backspace and listen for the bell.  Type “sudo 
> shutdown -r now” and press enter, type your password, and press enter.  Your 
> Mac restarts.
> 
> The perpetrator is sending emails to individual members from a gmail account 
> off-list as well, so watch out.
> 
> Obviously I sincerely hope that the moderators hang the responsible party 
> from the gallows by the naughty bits.  It probably won’t help, but it’s worth 
> trying.
> 
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Re:

[John Panarese]

   What I’ve found is to change to a different non-Apple voice temporarily in 
VoiceOver and then delete the offending messages. This is what I’ve done. I’v 
switched to the Australian voice, Karen, on the Mac, as David indicated this 
worked on his iPhone.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
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Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
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> On Feb 15, 2016, at 10:32 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Is there a way to shut down mail via terminal?
> 
> the computer I am currently trying to fix from this stupid malicious code
> 
> thanks
> Cait
> 
>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:49 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> If you get caught by the very long strings that kills Alex and aren’t using 
>> another synth or can’t switch to it, you can press Command+Space, type 
>> terminal, press enter.  Press backspace and listen for the bell.  Type “sudo 
>> shutdown -r now” and press enter, type your password, and press enter.  Your 
>> Mac restarts.
>> 
>> The perpetrator is sending emails to individual members from a gmail account 
>> off-list as well, so watch out.
>> 
>> Obviously I sincerely hope that the moderators hang the responsible party 
>> from the gallows by the naughty bits.  It probably won’t help, but it’s 
>> worth trying.
>> 
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Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Helga Schreiber]

Hi all! How are you al!! I'm glad that I did not use my Mac to find those scam 
emails! I actually use my  iPhone 6S and I do have  Alex on it and it was 
getting  crash all the time! And I did not know what was happening! And I  
needed to check important email messages! I actually delete my gmail account 
and  added again my gmail account to my iPHOne. And it is a good thing that I 
hve the Samanta Voiceoer in ordr to delete this messages guys! Now, a question, 
can someone tell me how can I get othe Voiceover Voices for the Mac and are 
they free? Just wondering! I actually want an Spanish Voice  and another 
Voiceover that does not get affected with  those scams messages that crashes 
the Voiceovr?  I have Alex on my Mac, and that is the only voice I have! I 
really appreciated any help that you guys can offer me! I look forward in 
hearing form you soon. Thanks and God bless!!!

Helga Schreiber 

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> On Feb 15, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
> Can someone explain to me what this person did and how to keep it from 
> happening again?
> I’ve had to restart several times but vo with Alex is working for me now.
> I’ve also had to delete massive amounts of mail.
> 
> Blessings,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>   
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ann,
>> 
>> thanks for your suggestions.  I managed to get my own i mac speaking again 
>> by doing the vo f5 command.  I did go and change my default from Alex to 
>> Moira, just in case.
>> 
>> My husband’s mac is still fubar, and I’ve restarted it several times.  It 
>> makes a bonking noise when I try to go into vo utility, so I’ll try 
>> reinitialzing the pram first.  vo f5 isn’t working on his machine, either.  
>> He has windows set to reopen when restarting, though, so I will try and 
>> disable that option before restarting his machine.
>> 
>> Interestingly and annoying, my braille also went south when Alex died. 
>> Everything’s back now for me, though, just have to get hubby’s machine 
>> working for him now.
>> 
>> thanks again,
>> Cait
>> 
>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:44 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Caitlyn,
>>> 
>>> Try pressing Cmd-F5 to get VoiceOver back.
>>> I was able to delete all the messages using my Mac, but I have the preview 
>>> pane disabled, so messages do not open automatically when I land on them. 
>>> Yet another reason to dislike the preview pane.
>>> 
>>> Also, having shut down your Mac, you could try reinitialising the PRAM. 
>>> Hold down the Command, Option, letter p and letter r keys, then press the 
>>> Power button. Keep the four keys held down until you’ve heard the startup 
>>> chime four times. Release the four keys and your Mac should boot normally.
>>> 
>>> To shut down your Mac cleanly, hold down Command, Option and Control and 
>>> press the Eject key.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
 On 15 Feb 2016, at 15:31, Caitlyn F  wrote:
 
 Hi
 Also I restarted my computer several times and I still don't have speech 
 Caitlyn
 
 Sent from Caitlyn's I phone
 
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello George,
> 
> First of all, the command to open the VO utility is VO-F8. Then, it is 
> not only the Alex voice that is affected. I do not have Alex on my Mac! I 
> use Fred and quite a few other voices in Various languages. Switching to 
> a French voice did not work for me. I had to do a restart to get speech 
> back.
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 15 Feb 2016, at 15:25, Basioli George  wrote:
>> 
>> do the following
>> 
>> command f8 to open the voice over utilities
>> in the table inter act and arrow down to speech and stop interactting
>> v o right errow to the defalt voice pup up menu and it will read alix 
>> since this is your defalt set voice
>> v o spacebar on this and arrow down to a new voice and do v o spacebar 
>> and the defalt voice will change and it will speak in the new choice
>> 
>> close the voice over utility
>> 
>> how’s that
>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 6:21 AM, Caitlyn F  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi how do you fix this problem doesn't only affect the Alex 
>>> screenreader my mac is completely useless right now and all I have to 
>>> work with is my iPhone t

Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

OK, so it looks like com.apple.speech.speechsynthesisd deadlocks when this 
happens.

Anyone else want to try deliberately reproducing this, and then, using 
Terminal, try “sudo killall -9 com.apple.speech.speechsynthesisd”?  You should 
find that it comes back again shortly after you execute that command.

(Please don’t do that if you aren’t comfortable playing with dangerous 
chemicals or fire. Thank you.)

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Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

What I wanna know is how the heck you manage to have Apple fix a bug so 
quickly!  Every time I've reported a bug to Apple Accessibility, it hardly 
ever gets squashed, and yes, I'm very professional about it when I do so.


I provide logs, crash reports, audio mp3's demoing the situation, etc.  I go 
over and above.  They always thank me profusely, and tell me they're right 
on it, but usually, things never improve.


If you want some examples, write me off list.  Know that I will not go into 
any details about currently installed betas, public or not, but if you wanna 
know about some of these things I've reported which are completely public 
knowledge, then just ask.


clgillan...@gmail.com

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Donna Goodin" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: To The List About The Recent Spam



Nice.  Thanks for doing this.
Cheers,
Donna

On Feb 15, 2016, at 7:43 AM, Basioli George  wrote:

i contactted apple senior tech this morning and they had me send them a 
email forward with the dreaded er string in the subject line.
they told me to let all know that suggestion is to change your defalt 
from alix and that they should have the issue fixed by wed otr thursday 
of this week.


said you may get a ox update or it will just happen in the background.

hope this helps all.


On Feb 15, 2016, at 5:27 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:


Alex Hall  wrote:

Same with the Mac, but Alex is default on the Mac whereas Samantha is
default on iOS.



The default varies by country/region, but I think it's always a Nuance
synthesizer under iOS.

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Re: Re:

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

yup.

sudo killall mail

hit enter.

type your administrator password.

Hit enter.
Boom!

Chris.

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From: "Caitlyn Furness" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 10:32 AM
Subject: Re:


Hi,
Is there a way to shut down mail via terminal?

the computer I am currently trying to fix from this stupid malicious code

thanks
Cait

On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:49 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  
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If you get caught by the very long strings that kills Alex and aren’t 
using another synth or can’t switch to it, you can press Command+Space, 
type terminal, press enter.  Press backspace and listen for the bell. 
Type “sudo shutdown -r now” and press enter, type your password, and press 
enter.  Your Mac restarts.


The perpetrator is sending emails to individual members from a gmail 
account off-list as well, so watch out.


Obviously I sincerely hope that the moderators hang the responsible party 
from the gallows by the naughty bits.  It probably won’t help, but it’s 
worth trying.


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Re: using terminal

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

VO+Space opens terminal?  Since when?

You sure you don't mean command+space?

Also, realize something important here.  If you have something like Onyx or 
what not, like I do, and've disabled Spotlight, then... well? you're kind a 
screwed.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Caitlyn Furness" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 11:08 AM
Subject: using terminal


Hi,
Just wanted to let people know that they can also use terminal to quit a 
particular app.


You do this by typing vo space, then typing terminal.  this will open 
terminal
You’ll probably have to enter your pass word, then type: osascript -e quit 
app app name, then hit enter


this is how I could finally close the offending app on my hubby’s mac. 
After that, I started voiceover with command f5.  He already had another 
voice selected(he used control, command, option v to do this, but it doesn’t 
change the default voice in voice over utility.).  I then went to vo utility 
with vo f8, then down to speech, tab a couple of times and get to the voices 
table, then select the new voice with the pop up on the default voice.


Everything seems to be working for him now.

thanks for everyone’s help on this annoying stuff!!

Cait

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If you get caught by the very long strings that kills Alex and aren’t 
using another synth or can’t switch to it, you can press Command+Space, 
type terminal, press enter.  Press backspace and listen for the bell. 
Type “sudo shutdown -r now” and press enter, type your password, and press 
enter.  Your Mac restarts.


The perpetrator is sending emails to individual members from a gmail 
account off-list as well, so watch out.


Obviously I sincerely hope that the moderators hang the responsible party 
from the gallows by the naughty bits.  It probably won’t help, but it’s 
worth trying.


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Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Eric Oyen]

it isn't so much that they have a lot of time on their hands. It's that they 
have no ethics and also no emotional control. Believe it or not, there are 
those of us (who are still hackers) that have ethics. we are few and very far 
between. I am not a coder, so I don't deal with that end of things too often. I 
am paranoid about hardware and software security (it's the primary reason why 
my systems are so hard to break into). now if I can just convince Theo De Raadt 
and company over at openBSD that adding accessibility to their OS is a good 
idea, then I will have it made. ah dreams. :)

-eric

On Feb 15, 2016, at 8:07 AM, Caitlyn Furness wrote:

> Just tried this with the other machine also, and only get bonks.
> 
> Weird, and annoying!!
> 
> Some people really have a lot of time on their hands these days!
> 
> Caitlyn
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:41 AM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>> 
>> Alternatively, you can hold down vo command and use your right and left 
>> arrows to get to the speech setting.  You can then switch to using the up 
>> and down arrows with vo + command pressed to cycle through the options.
>> 
>> Just a little easier.
>> 
>> Hah,
>> Jeff
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Basioli George  wrote:
>>> 
>>> do the following
>>> 
>>> command f8 to open the voice over utilities
>>> in the table inter act and arrow down to speech and stop interactting
>>> v o right errow to the defalt voice pup up menu and it will read alix since 
>>> this is your defalt set voice
>>> v o spacebar on this and arrow down to a new voice and do v o spacebar and 
>>> the defalt voice will change and it will speak in the new choice
>>> 
>>> close the voice over utility
>>> 
>>> how’s that
 On Feb 15, 2016, at 6:21 AM, Caitlyn F  wrote:
 
 Hi how do you fix this problem doesn't only affect the Alex screenreader 
 my mac is completely useless right now and all I have to work with is my 
 iPhone thanks a lot Caitlyn
 
 Sent from Caitlyn's I phone
 
 On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Andrew  wrote:
 
> y screen reader stopped talking and I had to force shut the ocmputer.  
> Yes, we are grateful for helping us with this unacdceptale action.  
> Andrews problem.
> 
> On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 4:05:24 AM UTC, Chris Gilland wrote:
> Mark, 
> 
> Don't beat yourself up over this. 
> 
> You're doing the best you can, and that is all anyone ever could ask of 
> you. 
> 
> On behalf of the whole list, we thank you very very greatly for all 
> you're 
> doing! 
> 
> Chris. 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "M. Taylor"  
> To:  
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:55 PM 
> Subject: To The List About The Recent Spam 
> 
> 
> > Hello Everyone, 
> > 
> > I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to 
> > shut 
> > down the Alex screen reader this morning. 
> > 
> > At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and 
> > recognized 
> > it 
> > as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, for 
> > posting offensive language. 
> > 
> > For whatever reason, when I attempted to locate her/his address in the 
> > members list of this group, I could not find it.  Yet, the posts 
> > continued 
> > to come to the list. 
> > 
> > I was away from my computer for most of the day but, upon returning 
> > home 
> > about an hour or so ago, I managed to locate the user and first, change 
> > his/her posting privileges and then remove him from the list. 
> > 
> > To be quite honest, the account I located was unlike any I've seen in 
> > any 
> > groups.  So, it is possible, more messages will come through but I 
> > think I 
> > located the right address.  Only time will tell. 
> > 
> > Please know that I, on behalf of Cara, am paying close attention and am 
> > doing all I can to rid the list of such nuisances. 
> > 
> > For the record, the malicious string shut down my speech synthesizer, 
> > as 
> > well.  Very, very annoying.  Like others in this groups, I had to use 
> > my 
> > Windows computer with a non-mac screen reader to discover the source of 
> > the 
> > problem. 
> > 
> > Please know that we are in this together and, together, we'll get 
> > through 
> > it. 
> > 
> > Mark 
> > 
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Re:

[Stan ZA]

Hi,
What I found, also works, is;
When re-opening the computer, and "mail", go to "message table" and interact, 
right arrow to "from column", up and down arrow, till you find the offending 
sender, and hit delete.
Do not, up or down arrow, in "subject" column.
Stan ZA
amista...@gmail.com



On 15 Feb 2016, at 6:11 PM, John Panarese  wrote:

>   What I’ve found is to change to a different non-Apple voice temporarily in 
> VoiceOver and then delete the offending messages. This is what I’ve done. I’v 
> switched to the Australian voice, Karen, on the Mac, as David indicated this 
> worked on his iPhone.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
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> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 10:32 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Is there a way to shut down mail via terminal?
>> 
>> the computer I am currently trying to fix from this stupid malicious code
>> 
>> thanks
>> Cait
>> 
>>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:49 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you get caught by the very long strings that kills Alex and aren’t using 
>>> another synth or can’t switch to it, you can press Command+Space, type 
>>> terminal, press enter.  Press backspace and listen for the bell.  Type 
>>> “sudo shutdown -r now” and press enter, type your password, and press 
>>> enter.  Your Mac restarts.
>>> 
>>> The perpetrator is sending emails to individual members from a gmail 
>>> account off-list as well, so watch out.
>>> 
>>> Obviously I sincerely hope that the moderators hang the responsible party 
>>> from the gallows by the naughty bits.  It probably won’t help, but it’s 
>>> worth trying.
>>> 
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Malicious Email how to get around question

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all,

Was not around for a few days so just started going through my list mail and 
read about these awful malicious emails taking out VO. I am assuming they are 
further down in the mailbox where all my list mail is. If you do not open the 
email does it affect you? I typically let VO read little of an email before 
opening. If this will knock out VO is there a way to get around these emails as 
I would love to avoid this issue. Thanks so much.

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Re: Malicious Email how to get around question

[Alex Hall]

The string that causes the problem is in the subject of many of them, so you'll 
be affected even if you don't open them. The best thing to do is just use a 
synthesizer that is NOT the Alex voice or any of the older Mac voices (Fred, 
Ralph, etc). This bug doesn't affect any Nuance voice at all, or (to my 
knowledge) eSpeak or Eloquence on Windows. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 15, 2016, at 13:16, Brian Fischler  wrote:
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> Hey all,
> 
> Was not around for a few days so just started going through my list mail and 
> read about these awful malicious emails taking out VO. I am assuming they are 
> further down in the mailbox where all my list mail is. If you do not open the 
> email does it affect you? I typically let VO read little of an email before 
> opening. If this will knock out VO is there a way to get around these emails 
> as I would love to avoid this issue. Thanks so much.
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Re: Malicious Email how to get around question

[Kevin Chao]

Workaround: Use a non-Apple TTS (e.g. Nuamce).
Unfortunately, VoiceOver will crash (Alex, Fred, etc.) even if message
isn't open, as offending text is in subject and preview.
On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 10:17 AM Brian Fischler 
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> Hey all,
>
> Was not around for a few days so just started going through my list mail
> and read about these awful malicious emails taking out VO. I am assuming
> they are further down in the mailbox where all my list mail is. If you do
> not open the email does it affect you? I typically let VO read little of an
> email before opening. If this will knock out VO is there a way to get
> around these emails as I would love to avoid this issue. Thanks so much.
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Re: Malicious Email how to get around question

[Brian Fischler]

Hey guys,

Wow what kind of an whole creates a bug to knock out VoiceOVer that is a whole 
new kind of jerk. I only have the stock voices my mac came with. I read it 
might be easier to get around on the iPhone? Any words of wisdom on how to get 
through this the easiest way with only having stock voices on both IOS and my 
mac? Thanks,
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 2:08 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
> 
> Workaround: Use a non-Apple TTS (e.g. Nuamce). 
> Unfortunately, VoiceOver will crash (Alex, Fred, etc.) even if message isn't 
> open, as offending text is in subject and preview. 
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 10:17 AM Brian Fischler  > wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> Was not around for a few days so just started going through my list mail and 
> read about these awful malicious emails taking out VO. I am assuming they are 
> further down in the mailbox where all my list mail is. If you do not open the 
> email does it affect you? I typically let VO read little of an email before 
> opening. If this will knock out VO is there a way to get around these emails 
> as I would love to avoid this issue. Thanks so much.
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I just sent an email to Apple accessibility regarding spam messages

[nicholasacosta775]

Sent from my iPhone hello guys, I would ask everyone on this list to send an 
email to Apple accessibility. I sent them this email because I wanted to tell 
them about what was going on with the Alex TTS voice. This had to do with the 
spam that was being sent to the list yesterday. I explained to them about the 
characters that were in the subject of the email. I told them that it was only 
causing this problem with the Apple TTS voices. Not with the others. I hope 
that all of you can take some time out of your day to send Apple this important 
email. I will put their email address below. The more emails, the better. Then, 
they will listen to what we have to say about this TTS issue.

accessibil...@apple.com

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FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Amazon have closed my brother's account because he was returning too many 
articles to them. He'd apparently crossed some sacred threshold or 
other--presumably one calculated to be the least profitable to Amazon--with the 
result that he can no longer log in to his account.

And you'll never guess what that means for his very handsome collection of 
Audible books.

Go on, take a guess. You'll probably get it first time ...

The DRM on Audible content requires that any device obtain a key from Amazon, 
after logging in to an account. Any device already possessing that key can of 
course continue to download and play any content, but without logging in, a new 
device cannot obtain the key. Amazon have made it very clear to my brother that 
they have no intention of allowing him further access to his account. So Amazon 
has put an effective end-of-life date on all of my brother's Audible 
"Purchases"; as soon as he resets the devices, sells and replaces them, etc, 
his Audible collection will be no more.

I'd just like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that DRM is 
thoroughly and fundamentally evil. It's wicked. It's corrupt. It's iniquitous. 
And it's not about piracy at all, it's about control. You don't own the things 
you "buy" if the content is locked with a key you don't have and can't get. The 
true owner is simply parting you from your money with the vague promise of 
letting you use the key, which they endeavour to keep you from discovering, 
lest you use it in ways not approved by the owner--for instance by unlocking 
your digital content permanently and thus freeing yourself from the owner's 
grip--but which they will make available to you while using software that they 
trust to protect their, and not your, interests. And of course, the owner 
always has the option of not letting you use your key at all, by telling the 
server not to give it to the software. While your decryption key is in their 
hands, anything might happen to your content, at any time, even if the owner 
promises to the contrary.

This racket is only possible because we give these content distributors the 
money to enable it--to write the software that keeps the keys safe from 
discovery while in your hands, to write laws that prohibit people from breaking 
the software to access the content without use of that software, and to 
criminalise perfectly legitimate uses of content that are inconvenient for the 
bottom line, but that are recognised by copyright and common sense as being 
reasonable and fair. I sincerely hope you take something from this incident, as 
I surely do, with something like this so close to home happening, and I hope 
you'll be willing to think carefully about whose business practices you'll be 
willing to support if you have the choice. I understand that we don't all have 
the choice to exercise all the time, and that it's easy to make up excuses and 
pray that it never happens to us. I'd say that this was particularly true for 
blind people and those with other reading challenges, because the selection of 
material is already very limited. Audible makes a fantastic, sometimes 
exclusive collection of audiobooks available.

But they, and any other DRM pedaler, simply cannot be trusted. I have made it a 
habit never to value any protected content too highly, and I'm gratified to see 
the truth in it, sad as I am for my brother's plight. For your own sake, 
wherever possible, you should make arrangements to avoid DRM. Try not to 
purchase anything you wouldn't keep from a DRM merchant. You never know, it 
could be you this happens to, and you might be the next person to own a 
handsome collection of strongly encrypted, utterly useless files that you have 
no hope of playing, and who will be out of pocket for the amount you "Bought" 
them for.

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil

[erik burggraaf]

May I suggest:
http://www.downpour.com
http://www.tantor.com
http://www.booksinmotion.com
http://www.emusic.com/book-genres/audiobook/

Also, while I'm not a fan of physical media too much any more, many books that 
can't be purchased drm-free can be purchased as mp3 cd's.
http://www.audiobookstand.com

I am eternally thankful that I never bought into a DRM of any kind.  If any one 
knows of other places to get DRM free audiobooks, I'd love  to hear about it.  
My list is sorted in order of frequency used.  Emusic is at the bottom for two 
reasons.  First, their smart phone app is only available in the US and the UK.  
Second, the smart phone app only supports music, not audiobooks.  And finally, 
Emusic closed it's customer service call centre.  So, I would avoid that one, 
but the other three are really really good.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf


> On Feb 15, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Amazon have closed my brother's account because he was returning too many 
> articles to them. He'd apparently crossed some sacred threshold or 
> other--presumably one calculated to be the least profitable to Amazon--with 
> the result that he can no longer log in to his account.
> 
> And you'll never guess what that means for his very handsome collection of 
> Audible books.
> 
> Go on, take a guess. You'll probably get it first time ...
> 
> The DRM on Audible content requires that any device obtain a key from Amazon, 
> after logging in to an account. Any device already possessing that key can of 
> course continue to download and play any content, but without logging in, a 
> new device cannot obtain the key. Amazon have made it very clear to my 
> brother that they have no intention of allowing him further access to his 
> account. So Amazon has put an effective end-of-life date on all of my 
> brother's Audible "Purchases"; as soon as he resets the devices, sells and 
> replaces them, etc, his Audible collection will be no more.
> 
> I'd just like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that DRM is 
> thoroughly and fundamentally evil. It's wicked. It's corrupt. It's 
> iniquitous. And it's not about piracy at all, it's about control. You don't 
> own the things you "buy" if the content is locked with a key you don't have 
> and can't get. The true owner is simply parting you from your money with the 
> vague promise of letting you use the key, which they endeavour to keep you 
> from discovering, lest you use it in ways not approved by the owner--for 
> instance by unlocking your digital content permanently and thus freeing 
> yourself from the owner's grip--but which they will make available to you 
> while using software that they trust to protect their, and not your, 
> interests. And of course, the owner always has the option of not letting you 
> use your key at all, by telling the server not to give it to the software. 
> While your decryption key is in their hands, anything might happen to your 
> content, at any time, even if the owner promises to the contrary.
> 
> This racket is only possible because we give these content distributors the 
> money to enable it--to write the software that keeps the keys safe from 
> discovery while in your hands, to write laws that prohibit people from 
> breaking the software to access the content without use of that software, and 
> to criminalise perfectly legitimate uses of content that are inconvenient for 
> the bottom line, but that are recognised by copyright and common sense as 
> being reasonable and fair. I sincerely hope you take something from this 
> incident, as I surely do, with something like this so close to home 
> happening, and I hope you'll be willing to think carefully about whose 
> business practices you'll be willing to support if you have the choice. I 
> understand that we don't all have the choice to exercise all the time, and 
> that it's easy to make up excuses and pray that it never happens to us. I'd 
> say that this was particularly true for blind people and those with other 
> reading challenges, because the selection of material is already very 
> limited. Audible makes a fantastic, sometimes exclusive collection of 
> audiobooks available.
> 
> But they, and any other DRM pedaler, simply cannot be trusted. I have made it 
> a habit never to value any protected content too highly, and I'm gratified to 
> see the truth in it, sad as I am for my brother's plight. For your own sake, 
> wherever possible, you should make arrangements to avoid DRM. Try not to 
> purchase anything you wouldn't keep from a DRM merchant. You never know, it 
> could be you this happens to, and you might be the next person to own a 
> handsome collection of strongly encrypted, utterly useless files that you 
> have no hope of playing, and who will be out of pocket for the amount you 
> "Bought" them for.
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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil

[Sharon Hooley]

I value how-to material and generally prefer  to keep them on my Victor Reader. 
 All other kinds of books I read I am less likely to care about retrieving 
again.  That might be one way to protect yourself from losing as much valuable 
content, unless of course storing them this way would be  illegal.


Sharon H.

> On Feb 15, 2016, at 1:00 PM, erik burggraaf  wrote:
> 
> May I suggest:
> http://www.downpour.com
> http://www.tantor.com
> http://www.booksinmotion.com
> http://www.emusic.com/book-genres/audiobook/
> 
> Also, while I'm not a fan of physical media too much any more, many books 
> that can't be purchased drm-free can be purchased as mp3 cd's.
> http://www.audiobookstand.com
> 
> I am eternally thankful that I never bought into a DRM of any kind.  If any 
> one knows of other places to get DRM free audiobooks, I'd love  to hear about 
> it.  My list is sorted in order of frequency used.  Emusic is at the bottom 
> for two reasons.  First, their smart phone app is only available in the US 
> and the UK.  Second, the smart phone app only supports music, not audiobooks. 
>  And finally, Emusic closed it's customer service call centre.  So, I would 
> avoid that one, but the other three are really really good.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> 
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Amazon have closed my brother's account because he was returning too many 
>> articles to them. He'd apparently crossed some sacred threshold or 
>> other--presumably one calculated to be the least profitable to Amazon--with 
>> the result that he can no longer log in to his account.
>> 
>> And you'll never guess what that means for his very handsome collection of 
>> Audible books.
>> 
>> Go on, take a guess. You'll probably get it first time ...
>> 
>> The DRM on Audible content requires that any device obtain a key from 
>> Amazon, after logging in to an account. Any device already possessing that 
>> key can of course continue to download and play any content, but without 
>> logging in, a new device cannot obtain the key. Amazon have made it very 
>> clear to my brother that they have no intention of allowing him further 
>> access to his account. So Amazon has put an effective end-of-life date on 
>> all of my brother's Audible "Purchases"; as soon as he resets the devices, 
>> sells and replaces them, etc, his Audible collection will be no more.
>> 
>> I'd just like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that DRM is 
>> thoroughly and fundamentally evil. It's wicked. It's corrupt. It's 
>> iniquitous. And it's not about piracy at all, it's about control. You don't 
>> own the things you "buy" if the content is locked with a key you don't have 
>> and can't get. The true owner is simply parting you from your money with the 
>> vague promise of letting you use the key, which they endeavour to keep you 
>> from discovering, lest you use it in ways not approved by the owner--for 
>> instance by unlocking your digital content permanently and thus freeing 
>> yourself from the owner's grip--but which they will make available to you 
>> while using software that they trust to protect their, and not your, 
>> interests. And of course, the owner always has the option of not letting you 
>> use your key at all, by telling the server not to give it to the software. 
>> While your decryption key is in their hands, anything might happen to your 
>> content, at any time, even if the owner promises to the contrary.
>> 
>> This racket is only possible because we give these content distributors the 
>> money to enable it--to write the software that keeps the keys safe from 
>> discovery while in your hands, to write laws that prohibit people from 
>> breaking the software to access the content without use of that software, 
>> and to criminalise perfectly legitimate uses of content that are 
>> inconvenient for the bottom line, but that are recognised by copyright and 
>> common sense as being reasonable and fair. I sincerely hope you take 
>> something from this incident, as I surely do, with something like this so 
>> close to home happening, and I hope you'll be willing to think carefully 
>> about whose business practices you'll be willing to support if you have the 
>> choice. I understand that we don't all have the choice to exercise all the 
>> time, and that it's easy to make up excuses and pray that it never happens 
>> to us. I'd say that this was particularly true for blind people and those 
>> with other reading challenges, because the selection of material is already 
>> very limited. Audible makes a fantastic, sometimes exclusive collection of 
>> audiobooks available.
>> 
>> But they, and any other DRM pedaler, simply cannot be trusted. I have made 
>> it a habit never to value any protected content too highly, and I'm 
>> gratified to see the truth in it, sad as I am for my brother's plight. For 
>> your own sake, wherever possible, you should make arrangements to avoid DRM. 
>>

Txt expansion

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello all ,

I wondered if any use txt expansion on their IOS or Mac? While I can input my 
abbreviations myself, it seems it is a very 
Painful exercise using Apple's shortcut options in keyboard shortcuts.

Is there an app that has  predefined routines?
A common method is to not type vowel letters for example.

Many thanks

Gena

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: To The List About The Recent Spam

[BBS]

Hi Anne. Are these French voices you have made by Acapela? I’m about to write a 
report to Assistiveware about this because the voice I was using when the 
hacker attacked the list was an Acapela voice and my Mac was unusable when it 
encountered the message.

Stacy, what happened was somebody typed in the letters E and R in a single 
word. He did this for the entire email and that’s how Voiceover crashed.

 

 

Shawn

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 8:30 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

 

Hello George,

 

First of all, the command to open the VO utility is VO-F8. Then, it is not only 
the Alex voice that is affected. I do not have Alex on my Mac! I use Fred and 
quite a few other voices in Various languages. Switching to a French voice did 
not work for me. I had to do a restart to get speech back.

Cheers,

 

Anne

 

 

On 15 Feb 2016, at 15:25, Basioli George  wrote:

 

do the following

 

command f8 to open the voice over utilities

in the table inter act and arrow down to speech and stop interactting

v o right errow to the defalt voice pup up menu and it will read alix since 
this is your defalt set voice

v o spacebar on this and arrow down to a new voice and do v o spacebar and the 
defalt voice will change and it will speak in the new choice

 

close the voice over utility

 

how’s that

On Feb 15, 2016, at 6:21 AM, Caitlyn F  wrote:

 

Hi how do you fix this problem doesn't only affect the Alex screenreader my mac 
is completely useless right now and all I have to work with is my iPhone thanks 
a lot Caitlyn

Sent from Caitlyn's I phone


On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Andrew  wrote:

y screen reader stopped talking and I had to force shut the ocmputer.  Yes, we 
are grateful for helping us with this unacdceptale action.  Andrews problem.

On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 4:05:24 AM UTC, Chris Gilland wrote:

Mark, 

Don't beat yourself up over this. 

You're doing the best you can, and that is all anyone ever could ask of you. 

On behalf of the whole list, we thank you very very greatly for all you're 
doing! 

Chris. 

- Original Message - 
From: "M. Taylor"  > 
To:  > 
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:55 PM 
Subject: To The List About The Recent Spam 


> Hello Everyone, 
> 
> I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to shut 
> down the Alex screen reader this morning. 
> 
> At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and recognized 
> it 
> as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, for 
> posting offensive language. 
> 
> For whatever reason, when I attempted to locate her/his address in the 
> members list of this group, I could not find it.  Yet, the posts continued 
> to come to the list. 
> 
> I was away from my computer for most of the day but, upon returning home 
> about an hour or so ago, I managed to locate the user and first, change 
> his/her posting privileges and then remove him from the list. 
> 
> To be quite honest, the account I located was unlike any I've seen in any 
> groups.  So, it is possible, more messages will come through but I think I 
> located the right address.  Only time will tell. 
> 
> Please know that I, on behalf of Cara, am paying close attention and am 
> doing all I can to rid the list of such nuisances. 
> 
> For the record, the malicious string shut down my speech synthesizer, as 
> well.  Very, very annoying.  Like others in this groups, I had to use my 
> Windows computer with a non-mac screen reader to discover the source of 
> the 
> problem. 
> 
> Please know that we are in this together and, together, we'll get through 
> it. 
> 
> Mark 
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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Thanks for the list Erik.  Actually, I’m familiar with some of these, 
particularly Downpour, but because Audible often turned up stuff not available 
there, I’d be come a bit complacent in checking.  Will be far more vigilant 
going forward, of course.  I still buy CDs, if it means avoiding DRM, and 
that’s still an option, although of course I’d much rather DRM just died a 
horrible, fiery death.  Audible’s “Enhanced” format files are merely encrypted 
m4b files.

Yes Sharon, I too have a Victor Reader Stream and a copy of my decryption key, 
so as long as I maintain that device all the Audible books I own (which I have 
downloaded) will still have a life until at least that Stream dies.  My 
brother, unfortunately, was completely reliant on the smartphone app, and is 
thus relying on his existing session.  Unless he jailbroke his device, there’d 
be no way to benefit from that, as far as I can see.  Yay sandboxing.

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Re: Att Bill: Legit message

[Jessica Moss]

Nothing, it's someone trying to get a rise out of us.
On Feb 14, 2016, at 5:03 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

> ACPI?  What's that?  Admittedly, I've never heard that term before.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Bill Dengler" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 5:02 PM
> Subject: Re:
> 
> 
> Yes, since OS X will intercept the ACPI signal.
> 
> Bill
>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 5:00 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, but would tapping the power button cause a proper shutdown?  Now, you 
>> got me curious.  Smile.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Bill Dengler" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 4:58 PM
>> Subject: Re:
>> 
>> 
>> I wouldn’t suggest it unless the terminal method fails, but OS X is 
>> surprisingly good at recovering from file corruption in most cases.
>> You could also tap the power button which will (eventually) shut the machine 
>> down.
>> 
>> Bill
>>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hunt uh!  The last thing you wanna do is just hold in the power button. 
>>> That's a real good way to cause file corruption.  Don't do that unless it 
>>> be a very last resort.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Bill Dengler" 
>>> To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 4:05 PM
>>> Subject: Re:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Or sudo reboot should work as well… or just hold down the power button.
>>> Switched synths until this gets resolved.
>>> 
>>> Bill
 On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:49 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 If you get caught by the very long strings that kills Alex and aren’t 
 using another synth or can’t switch to it, you can press Command+Space, 
 type terminal, press enter.  Press backspace and listen for the bell. Type 
 “sudo shutdown -r now” and press enter, type your password, and press 
 enter.  Your Mac restarts.
 
 The perpetrator is sending emails to individual members from a gmail 
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 Obviously I sincerely hope that the moderators hang the responsible party 
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RE: Malicious Email how to get around question

[BBS]

Bryan, you can download the Nuance voices to your Mac by going into the VO 
Utility and select ustomize. On the iPhone, as long as you’re not using Alex, 
you should be fine.

 

 

Shawn

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Facetime Username: bbssh...@icloud.com

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Brian Fischler
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 1:26 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Malicious Email how to get around question

 

Hey guys,

 

Wow what kind of an whole creates a bug to knock out VoiceOVer that is a whole 
new kind of jerk. I only have the stock voices my mac came with. I read it 
might be easier to get around on the iPhone? Any words of wisdom on how to get 
through this the easiest way with only having stock voices on both IOS and my 
mac? Thanks,

On Feb 15, 2016, at 2:08 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:

 

Workaround: Use a non-Apple TTS (e.g. Nuamce). 
Unfortunately, VoiceOver will crash (Alex, Fred, etc.) even if message isn't 
open, as offending text is in subject and preview. 

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 10:17 AM Brian Fischler  wrote:

Hey all,

Was not around for a few days so just started going through my list mail and 
read about these awful malicious emails taking out VO. I am assuming they are 
further down in the mailbox where all my list mail is. If you do not open the 
email does it affect you? I typically let VO read little of an email before 
opening. If this will knock out VO is there a way to get around these emails as 
I would love to avoid this issue. Thanks so much.

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Re: Att Bill: Legit message

[Bill Dengler]

http://enwp.org/acpi

Bill
> On Feb 14, 2016, at 5:03 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> ACPI?  What's that?  Admittedly, I've never heard that term before.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Bill Dengler" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 5:02 PM
> Subject: Re:
> 
> 
> Yes, since OS X will intercept the ACPI signal.
> 
> Bill
>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 5:00 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, but would tapping the power button cause a proper shutdown?  Now, you 
>> got me curious.  Smile.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Bill Dengler" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 4:58 PM
>> Subject: Re:
>> 
>> 
>> I wouldn’t suggest it unless the terminal method fails, but OS X is 
>> surprisingly good at recovering from file corruption in most cases.
>> You could also tap the power button which will (eventually) shut the machine 
>> down.
>> 
>> Bill
>>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hunt uh!  The last thing you wanna do is just hold in the power button. 
>>> That's a real good way to cause file corruption.  Don't do that unless it 
>>> be a very last resort.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Bill Dengler" 
>>> To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 4:05 PM
>>> Subject: Re:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Or sudo reboot should work as well… or just hold down the power button.
>>> Switched synths until this gets resolved.
>>> 
>>> Bill
 On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:49 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 If you get caught by the very long strings that kills Alex and aren’t 
 using another synth or can’t switch to it, you can press Command+Space, 
 type terminal, press enter.  Press backspace and listen for the bell. Type 
 “sudo shutdown -r now” and press enter, type your password, and press 
 enter.  Your Mac restarts.
 
 The perpetrator is sending emails to individual members from a gmail 
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Re: Malicious Email how to get around question

[Brian Fischler]

Thanks Sean. How do I know which the nuance voices are, I thought they just had 
the names for the voices. I assume if you are running Alex and the subject of 
the malicious email is read it then knocks out VO? Was this virus written to 
target blind VO users? So bizarre and really evil. Thanks,
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 4:00 PM, BBS  wrote:
> 
> Bryan, you can download the Nuance voices to your Mac by going into the VO 
> Utility and select ustomize. On the iPhone, as long as you’re not using Alex, 
> you should be fine.
>  
>  
> Shawn
> Sent from my White MacBook
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>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Brian Fischler
> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 1:26 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Malicious Email how to get around question
>  
> Hey guys,
>  
> Wow what kind of an whole creates a bug to knock out VoiceOVer that is a 
> whole new kind of jerk. I only have the stock voices my mac came with. I read 
> it might be easier to get around on the iPhone? Any words of wisdom on how to 
> get through this the easiest way with only having stock voices on both IOS 
> and my mac? Thanks,
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 2:08 PM, Kevin Chao > > wrote:
>>  
>> Workaround: Use a non-Apple TTS (e.g. Nuamce). 
>> Unfortunately, VoiceOver will crash (Alex, Fred, etc.) even if message isn't 
>> open, as offending text is in subject and preview. 
>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 10:17 AM Brian Fischler > > wrote:
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> Was not around for a few days so just started going through my list mail 
>>> and read about these awful malicious emails taking out VO. I am assuming 
>>> they are further down in the mailbox where all my list mail is. If you do 
>>> not open the email does it affect you? I typically let VO read little of an 
>>> email before opening. If this will knock out VO is there a way to get 
>>> around these emails as I would love to avoid this issue. Thanks so much.
>>> 
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RE: Malicious Email how to get around question

[BBS]

Hi Bryan. The Nuance voices are Samantha, Tom, Ava, those voices. The string 
only effects Alex and other voices but if you use Samantha, you’ll be fine.

 

 

Shawn

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Facetime Username: bbssh...@icloud.com

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Brian Fischler
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 3:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Malicious Email how to get around question

 

Thanks Sean. How do I know which the nuance voices are, I thought they just had 
the names for the voices. I assume if you are running Alex and the subject of 
the malicious email is read it then knocks out VO? Was this virus written to 
target blind VO users? So bizarre and really evil. Thanks,

On Feb 15, 2016, at 4:00 PM, BBS  wrote:

 

Bryan, you can download the Nuance voices to your Mac by going into the VO 
Utility and select ustomize. On the iPhone, as long as you’re not using Alex, 
you should be fine.

 

 

Shawn

Sent from my White MacBook

Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs

Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk

Skype Username: bbstheblindrapper

Facetime Username:   bbssh...@icloud.com

 

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Subject: Re: Malicious Email how to get around question

 

Hey guys,

 

Wow what kind of an whole creates a bug to knock out VoiceOVer that is a whole 
new kind of jerk. I only have the stock voices my mac came with. I read it 
might be easier to get around on the iPhone? Any words of wisdom on how to get 
through this the easiest way with only having stock voices on both IOS and my 
mac? Thanks,

On Feb 15, 2016, at 2:08 PM, Kevin Chao <  
kevincha...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Workaround: Use a non-Apple TTS (e.g. Nuamce). 
Unfortunately, VoiceOver will crash (Alex, Fred, etc.) even if message isn't 
open, as offending text is in subject and preview. 

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 10:17 AM Brian Fischler <  
brianfisch...@me.com> wrote:

Hey all,

Was not around for a few days so just started going through my list mail and 
read about these awful malicious emails taking out VO. I am assuming they are 
further down in the mailbox where all my list mail is. If you do not open the 
email does it affect you? I typically let VO read little of an email before 
opening. If this will knock out VO is there a way to get around these emails as 
I would love to avoid this issue. Thanks so much.

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Re: Malicious Email how to get around question

[Dolores Myers]

Hi,
I am a very  new Mac user.  I went to the VO utility and then  to customize 
voices.  I found Samantha and selected it.  I closed the VO utility and nothing 
happened.  Do I have to download this voice first?  My Mac only has Alex, Fred 
and Bruce.  I just want to be prepared if something like this happens again.  I 
honestly first thought something was wrong with my computer.  I used my iPod 
touch and then my windows computer to get rid of all the junk.
Thanks.
Dolores

> On Feb 15, 2016, at 4:00 PM, BBS  wrote:
> 
> Bryan, you can download the Nuance voices to your Mac by going into the VO 
> Utility and select ustomize. On the iPhone, as long as you’re not using Alex, 
> you should be fine.
>  
>  
> Shawn
> Sent from my White MacBook
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Skype Username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime Username: bbssh...@icloud.com
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Malicious Email how to get around question
>  
> Hey guys,
>  
> Wow what kind of an whole creates a bug to knock out VoiceOVer that is a 
> whole new kind of jerk. I only have the stock voices my mac came with. I read 
> it might be easier to get around on the iPhone? Any words of wisdom on how to 
> get through this the easiest way with only having stock voices on both IOS 
> and my mac? Thanks,
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 2:08 PM, Kevin Chao > > wrote:
>>  
>> Workaround: Use a non-Apple TTS (e.g. Nuamce). 
>> Unfortunately, VoiceOver will crash (Alex, Fred, etc.) even if message isn't 
>> open, as offending text is in subject and preview.
>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 10:17 AM Brian Fischler > > wrote:
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> Was not around for a few days so just started going through my list mail 
>>> and read about these awful malicious emails taking out VO. I am assuming 
>>> they are further down in the mailbox where all my list mail is. If you do 
>>> not open the email does it affect you? I typically let VO read little of an 
>>> email before opening. If this will knock out VO is there a way to get 
>>> around these emails as I would love to avoid this issue. Thanks so much.
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Re: Malicious Email how to get around question

[Alex Hall]

'Yes, you have to let it download. It should become active automatically, but 
if not, go back to where you were and select the voice again. To check the 
status, (again) go back to where you were and open the list of voices. Any that 
are still downloading will indicate that in the list and cannot be selected for 
use. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 15, 2016, at 16:35, Dolores Myers  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I am a very  new Mac user.  I went to the VO utility and then  to customize 
> voices.  I found Samantha and selected it.  I closed the VO utility and 
> nothing happened.  Do I have to download this voice first?  My Mac only has 
> Alex, Fred and Bruce.  I just want to be prepared if something like this 
> happens again.  I honestly first thought something was wrong with my 
> computer.  I used my iPod touch and then my windows computer to get rid of 
> all the junk.
> Thanks.
> Dolores
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 4:00 PM, BBS  wrote:
>> 
>> Bryan, you can download the Nuance voices to your Mac by going into the VO 
>> Utility and select ustomize. On the iPhone, as long as you’re not using 
>> Alex, you should be fine.
>>  
>>  
>> Shawn
>> Sent from my White MacBook
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Skype Username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime Username: bbssh...@icloud.com
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian Fischler
>> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 1:26 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Malicious Email how to get around question
>>  
>> Hey guys,
>>  
>> Wow what kind of an whole creates a bug to knock out VoiceOVer that is a 
>> whole new kind of jerk. I only have the stock voices my mac came with. I 
>> read it might be easier to get around on the iPhone? Any words of wisdom on 
>> how to get through this the easiest way with only having stock voices on 
>> both IOS and my mac? Thanks,
>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 2:08 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>>>  
>>> Workaround: Use a non-Apple TTS (e.g. Nuamce). 
>>> Unfortunately, VoiceOver will crash (Alex, Fred, etc.) even if message 
>>> isn't open, as offending text is in subject and preview.
 On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 10:17 AM Brian Fischler  
 wrote:
 Hey all,
 
 Was not around for a few days so just started going through my list mail 
 and read about these awful malicious emails taking out VO. I am assuming 
 they are further down in the mailbox where all my list mail is. If you do 
 not open the email does it affect you? I typically let VO read little of 
 an email before opening. If this will knock out VO is there a way to get 
 around these emails as I would love to avoid this issue. Thanks so much.
 
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Re: How do I turn a mac into a full fledged ftp server?

[erik burggraaf]

I could, but then users would have full accounts to the mac that was serving, 
all be it restricted ones.  I just don't think I want to go that rout.  I'm not 
even sure I'll be able to do what I want to do with a mac at all, but it would 
make my life much simpler if I could.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf


> On Feb 12, 2016, at 8:32 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Can’t you just tick the box to enable the FTP feature of the Mac OSX  and 
> then setup groups / users to gather that information you require?
>  
> Or possibly the OSX server will do the same, it’s 25 dollars I think from the 
> app store. It just takes some configuration.
>  
>  
>  
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
> Sent: Saturday, 13 February 2016 11:43 AM
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> Subject: Re: How do I turn a mac into a full fledged ftp server?
>  
> Thanks,  $40 might be in budget.  I want to creat groups, monitor uploads, 
> and some other tasks.  I'll check this $40 package and see if it flies.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Erik Burggraaf
> 
>  
> On Feb 12, 2016, at 5:31 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Rumpus has been around forever and folks on other forums seem to like it but 
> it's not cheap at $295:
> http://www.maxum.com/Rumpus/ 
> 
> There is a full FTP server built into OSX because of its unix underpinnings. 
> Not sure what you need to do that the ftp server can't. Note that robust does 
> not mean simple/easy. You can google around for tutorials but they basically 
> have you use terminal to run:
> sudo -s launchctl load -w /System/Library/LaunchDaemons/ftp.plist
> which fires it up and sets it to load on bootup. To stop just change load to 
> unload in the same command. They you should be able to ftp to your mac using 
> yourname@yourmachine_address
> 
> Another path is to just upgrade to OSX Server. While it's pretty much the 
> same things as regular OSX under the hood, they provide tools to configure 
> all that goodness and I'm told you can just upgrade over top of the regular 
> OSX. Apple charges $20 for OSX server.
> http://www.apple.com/osx/server/ 
> 
> There is also CrushFTP but that's also $40:
> http://www.crushftp.com/index.html 
> 
> CB
> 
> On 2/11/16 11:46 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
> Hi,  Is there any solution equivalent to filezilla server for mac OS?  I know 
> that the mac has a simple file server built in, but I'm looking for something 
> more robust.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Erik Burggraaf
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Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Marie Lyons]

My v/o keeps shutting down.  What can I do to fix it?

Marie Lyons. I had called disability support and they couldn’t figure it out.  
Help greatly appreciated

Marie Lyons
> On Feb 14, 2016, at 10:55 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Hello Everyone,  
> 
> I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to shut
> down the Alex screen reader this morning.  
> 
> At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and recognized it
> as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, for
> posting offensive language.  
> 
> For whatever reason, when I attempted to locate her/his address in the
> members list of this group, I could not find it.  Yet, the posts continued
> to come to the list.  
> 
> I was away from my computer for most of the day but, upon returning home
> about an hour or so ago, I managed to locate the user and first, change
> his/her posting privileges and then remove him from the list.
> 
> To be quite honest, the account I located was unlike any I've seen in any
> groups.  So, it is possible, more messages will come through but I think I
> located the right address.  Only time will tell.  
> 
> Please know that I, on behalf of Cara, am paying close attention and am
> doing all I can to rid the list of such nuisances.
> 
> For the record, the malicious string shut down my speech synthesizer, as
> well.  Very, very annoying.  Like others in this groups, I had to use my
> Windows computer with a non-mac screen reader to discover the source of the
> problem.
> 
> Please know that we are in this together and, together, we'll get through
> it.
> 
> Mark
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Re: Help with message are extremely offensive

[Jessica Moss]

Thanx so much for posting this; I'm so glad I'm not the only one.  I had this 
weird issue last night where I was checking my e-mail, and all of a sudden it 
was reading an unopened message, then voiceover, using Alex, just suddenly 
studdered, then crashed, and now does the same thing whenever mail is loded.  
However, when I use a different voice, it lodes perfectly fine.
  I'm really confused as to how to fix this, so can you please send me to steps 
again, and if you have to send them off list, that's fine as well.  I love the 
Tessa voice, but she can be slow reading, so prefer Alex, and hate switching 
back and forth.
On Feb 14, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:

> hmmm.
> well, far be it from me to offer advice. However, I had to dig pretty deep 
> into how filters work on apple mail in order to get this to work right. 
> Basically, I found his originating IP address, eliminated the last octet 
> (last digits after last period), placed a star in there and checked the 
> function move to mailbox and specified trash.
> 
> so far, it seems to work.
> 
> btw, there was another kind of message starting to show up around a few (not 
> many) of the google groups. whatever it is, its either malformed or contains 
> scripting designed to cause problems on macs. It caused my voiceover screen 
> reader to lock up, caused both the mail client to crash and any web browsers 
> I used to also crash. Even viewing the raw source caused issues. I posted a 
> no subject response to it and removed the offending material. Hopefully, 
> someone realizes their account has been pawned.(pardon the leet speak there).
> 
> anyway, some domains (and IP spaces) are known for this kind of trouble. It 
> may seem like hard work initially, but the reward is that you never have to 
> see the problem after that. :)
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Eric
> 
> On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> 
>> Good point Chris. Still, what made me think it might be all of the Google 
>> groups is the tremendous frequency with which these offensive posts are 
>> being put up. Then again, considering the fact that I am on to other Google 
>> groups and this is not happening with them, you have a good point.
>> 
>> 
>> After all, if memory serves correctly, we had an antagonist a few weeks ago 
>> who seem to be on the edge of doing this very sort of thing when we all 
>> demanded specificity from him as to a specific claims that he made regarding 
>> Firefox and accessibility: a thread which I'm sure you were and I remember 
>> all too well.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
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Re: Help with message are extremely offensive

[Jessica Moss]

I'm surprised with that being the case, that he could've possibly messed up my 
system, considering the fact that I didn't click any strange links, and didn't 
start getting his messages until today, sense it started messing up last night 
and I couldn't figure out how to fix it until I did a google search.
On Feb 14, 2016, at 6:26 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:

> I doubt he has a large number of IP addresses at his disposal. To begin with, 
> they would have to answer to a validated NX so far as sending mail is 
> concerned. THis will limit his options a bit. Most ISP's these days won't 
> even allow you to operate a mail server. Also, rather a lot of them also 
> block the usual ports that are often used in spam. It is far easier to hijack 
> someone else's account than it is to bypass firewall redirects. This doesn't 
> mean that its impossible, but it does mean it is far easier to get someone to 
> click on a link in email.
> 
> now, as for security, I can save something questionable to a file, port it 
> over to my linux vmware machine and view it there. if a problem develops, its 
> a simple erase of the vmware files and reinstate the machine from a good 
> clean backup.
> 
> I might just start doing that with my email and browsing activities.
> 
> eric
> 
> On Feb 14, 2016, at 4:08 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> 
>> Be careful though, as this guy may have a dynamic IP, and this day with 
>> VPN's and such.  And don't say, don't give him any ideas.  Odds are, this 
>> individual probably already knows about this stuff.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Eric Oyen" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 5:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: Help with message are extremely offensive
>> 
>> 
>> hmmm.
>> well, far be it from me to offer advice. However, I had to dig pretty deep 
>> into how filters work on apple mail in order to get this to work right. 
>> Basically, I found his originating IP address, eliminated the last octet 
>> (last digits after last period), placed a star in there and checked the 
>> function move to mailbox and specified trash.
>> 
>> so far, it seems to work.
>> 
>> btw, there was another kind of message starting to show up around a few (not 
>> many) of the google groups. whatever it is, its either malformed or contains 
>> scripting designed to cause problems on macs. It caused my voiceover screen 
>> reader to lock up, caused both the mail client to crash and any web browsers 
>> I used to also crash. Even viewing the raw source caused issues. I posted a 
>> no subject response to it and removed the offending material. Hopefully, 
>> someone realizes their account has been pawned.(pardon the leet speak there).
>> 
>> anyway, some domains (and IP spaces) are known for this kind of trouble. It 
>> may seem like hard work initially, but the reward is that you never have to 
>> see the problem after that. :)
>> 
>> thanks,
>> 
>> Eric
>> 
>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>> 
>>> Good point Chris. Still, what made me think it might be all of the Google 
>>> groups is the tremendous frequency with which these offensive posts are 
>>> being put up. Then again, considering the fact that I am on to other Google 
>>> groups and this is not happening with them, you have a good point.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> After all, if memory serves correctly, we had an antagonist a few weeks ago 
>>> who seem to be on the edge of doing this very sort of thing when we all 
>>> demanded specificity from him as to a specific claims that he made 
>>> regarding Firefox and accessibility: a thread which I'm sure you were and I 
>>> remember all too well.
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly barefooted Ray,
>>> 
>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
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Re: Help with message are extremely offensive

[Jessica Moss]

Ok, as an addon, how to semi-fix it, sense Alex still crashes whenever I launch 
mail, so things aren't totally fixed.
On Feb 14, 2016, at 6:26 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:

> I doubt he has a large number of IP addresses at his disposal. To begin with, 
> they would have to answer to a validated NX so far as sending mail is 
> concerned. THis will limit his options a bit. Most ISP's these days won't 
> even allow you to operate a mail server. Also, rather a lot of them also 
> block the usual ports that are often used in spam. It is far easier to hijack 
> someone else's account than it is to bypass firewall redirects. This doesn't 
> mean that its impossible, but it does mean it is far easier to get someone to 
> click on a link in email.
> 
> now, as for security, I can save something questionable to a file, port it 
> over to my linux vmware machine and view it there. if a problem develops, its 
> a simple erase of the vmware files and reinstate the machine from a good 
> clean backup.
> 
> I might just start doing that with my email and browsing activities.
> 
> eric
> 
> On Feb 14, 2016, at 4:08 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> 
>> Be careful though, as this guy may have a dynamic IP, and this day with 
>> VPN's and such.  And don't say, don't give him any ideas.  Odds are, this 
>> individual probably already knows about this stuff.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Eric Oyen" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 5:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: Help with message are extremely offensive
>> 
>> 
>> hmmm.
>> well, far be it from me to offer advice. However, I had to dig pretty deep 
>> into how filters work on apple mail in order to get this to work right. 
>> Basically, I found his originating IP address, eliminated the last octet 
>> (last digits after last period), placed a star in there and checked the 
>> function move to mailbox and specified trash.
>> 
>> so far, it seems to work.
>> 
>> btw, there was another kind of message starting to show up around a few (not 
>> many) of the google groups. whatever it is, its either malformed or contains 
>> scripting designed to cause problems on macs. It caused my voiceover screen 
>> reader to lock up, caused both the mail client to crash and any web browsers 
>> I used to also crash. Even viewing the raw source caused issues. I posted a 
>> no subject response to it and removed the offending material. Hopefully, 
>> someone realizes their account has been pawned.(pardon the leet speak there).
>> 
>> anyway, some domains (and IP spaces) are known for this kind of trouble. It 
>> may seem like hard work initially, but the reward is that you never have to 
>> see the problem after that. :)
>> 
>> thanks,
>> 
>> Eric
>> 
>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>> 
>>> Good point Chris. Still, what made me think it might be all of the Google 
>>> groups is the tremendous frequency with which these offensive posts are 
>>> being put up. Then again, considering the fact that I am on to other Google 
>>> groups and this is not happening with them, you have a good point.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> After all, if memory serves correctly, we had an antagonist a few weeks ago 
>>> who seem to be on the edge of doing this very sort of thing when we all 
>>> demanded specificity from him as to a specific claims that he made 
>>> regarding Firefox and accessibility: a thread which I'm sure you were and I 
>>> remember all too well.
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly barefooted Ray,
>>> 
>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
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Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Alex Hall]

Simply switch voices to Samantha, Ava, Tom, or any of the other Nuance voices. 
Alternatively, use a Windows computer, or iOS device with any voice other than 
Alex, to delete the messages that contain the string which crashes Mac speech 
synthesizers.
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 20:19, Marie Lyons  wrote:
> 
> My v/o keeps shutting down.  What can I do to fix it?
> 
> Marie Lyons. I had called disability support and they couldn’t figure it out. 
>  Help greatly appreciated
> 
> Marie Lyons
>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 10:55 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,  
>> 
>> I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to shut
>> down the Alex screen reader this morning.  
>> 
>> At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and recognized it
>> as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, for
>> posting offensive language.  
>> 
>> For whatever reason, when I attempted to locate her/his address in the
>> members list of this group, I could not find it.  Yet, the posts continued
>> to come to the list.  
>> 
>> I was away from my computer for most of the day but, upon returning home
>> about an hour or so ago, I managed to locate the user and first, change
>> his/her posting privileges and then remove him from the list.
>> 
>> To be quite honest, the account I located was unlike any I've seen in any
>> groups.  So, it is possible, more messages will come through but I think I
>> located the right address.  Only time will tell.  
>> 
>> Please know that I, on behalf of Cara, am paying close attention and am
>> doing all I can to rid the list of such nuisances.
>> 
>> For the record, the malicious string shut down my speech synthesizer, as
>> well.  Very, very annoying.  Like others in this groups, I had to use my
>> Windows computer with a non-mac screen reader to discover the source of the
>> problem.
>> 
>> Please know that we are in this together and, together, we'll get through
>> it.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
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Re: I just sent an email to Apple accessibility regarding spam messages

[Jessica Moss]

I didn't even open a message and that somehow happened to me.  I have no idea 
what message popped up, but Alex started reading me the subject line, then 
studdered then crashed altogether and no longer works when I try to launch 
mail, so unfortunately have no idea what to tell them.  Can someone please 
explain it to me?
On Feb 15, 2016, at 2:38 PM, nicholasacosta...@gmail.com wrote:

> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone hello guys, I would ask everyone on this list to send an 
> email to Apple accessibility. I sent them this email because I wanted to tell 
> them about what was going on with the Alex TTS voice. This had to do with the 
> spam that was being sent to the list yesterday. I explained to them about the 
> characters that were in the subject of the email. I told them that it was 
> only causing this problem with the Apple TTS voices. Not with the others. I 
> hope that all of you can take some time out of your day to send Apple this 
> important email. I will put their email address below. The more emails, the 
> better. Then, they will listen to what we have to say about this TTS issue.
> 
> accessibil...@apple.com
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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil

[Jessica Moss]

What is drm, and what do you find wrong with it?  I've heard that mentioned, 
and think I found something with that extention when I used to transfer music 
files onto my windows mobile phone, when I used to use one, but never opened 
them.
On Feb 15, 2016, at 3:00 PM, erik burggraaf  wrote:

> May I suggest:
> http://www.downpour.com
> http://www.tantor.com
> http://www.booksinmotion.com
> http://www.emusic.com/book-genres/audiobook/
> 
> Also, while I'm not a fan of physical media too much any more, many books 
> that can't be purchased drm-free can be purchased as mp3 cd's.
> http://www.audiobookstand.com
> 
> I am eternally thankful that I never bought into a DRM of any kind.  If any 
> one knows of other places to get DRM free audiobooks, I'd love  to hear about 
> it.  My list is sorted in order of frequency used.  Emusic is at the bottom 
> for two reasons.  First, their smart phone app is only available in the US 
> and the UK.  Second, the smart phone app only supports music, not audiobooks. 
>  And finally, Emusic closed it's customer service call centre.  So, I would 
> avoid that one, but the other three are really really good.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> 
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Amazon have closed my brother's account because he was returning too many 
>> articles to them. He'd apparently crossed some sacred threshold or 
>> other--presumably one calculated to be the least profitable to Amazon--with 
>> the result that he can no longer log in to his account.
>> 
>> And you'll never guess what that means for his very handsome collection of 
>> Audible books.
>> 
>> Go on, take a guess. You'll probably get it first time ...
>> 
>> The DRM on Audible content requires that any device obtain a key from 
>> Amazon, after logging in to an account. Any device already possessing that 
>> key can of course continue to download and play any content, but without 
>> logging in, a new device cannot obtain the key. Amazon have made it very 
>> clear to my brother that they have no intention of allowing him further 
>> access to his account. So Amazon has put an effective end-of-life date on 
>> all of my brother's Audible "Purchases"; as soon as he resets the devices, 
>> sells and replaces them, etc, his Audible collection will be no more.
>> 
>> I'd just like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that DRM is 
>> thoroughly and fundamentally evil. It's wicked. It's corrupt. It's 
>> iniquitous. And it's not about piracy at all, it's about control. You don't 
>> own the things you "buy" if the content is locked with a key you don't have 
>> and can't get. The true owner is simply parting you from your money with the 
>> vague promise of letting you use the key, which they endeavour to keep you 
>> from discovering, lest you use it in ways not approved by the owner--for 
>> instance by unlocking your digital content permanently and thus freeing 
>> yourself from the owner's grip--but which they will make available to you 
>> while using software that they trust to protect their, and not your, 
>> interests. And of course, the owner always has the option of not letting you 
>> use your key at all, by telling the server not to give it to the software. 
>> While your decryption key is in their hands, anything might happen to your 
>> content, at any time, even if the owner promises to the contrary.
>> 
>> This racket is only possible because we give these content distributors the 
>> money to enable it--to write the software that keeps the keys safe from 
>> discovery while in your hands, to write laws that prohibit people from 
>> breaking the software to access the content without use of that software, 
>> and to criminalise perfectly legitimate uses of content that are 
>> inconvenient for the bottom line, but that are recognised by copyright and 
>> common sense as being reasonable and fair. I sincerely hope you take 
>> something from this incident, as I surely do, with something like this so 
>> close to home happening, and I hope you'll be willing to think carefully 
>> about whose business practices you'll be willing to support if you have the 
>> choice. I understand that we don't all have the choice to exercise all the 
>> time, and that it's easy to make up excuses and pray that it never happens 
>> to us. I'd say that this was particularly true for blind people and those 
>> with other reading challenges, because the selection of material is already 
>> very limited. Audible makes a fantastic, sometimes exclusive collection of 
>> audiobooks available.
>> 
>> But they, and any other DRM pedaler, simply cannot be trusted. I have made 
>> it a habit never to value any protected content too highly, and I'm 
>> gratified to see the truth in it, sad as I am for my brother's plight. For 
>> your own sake, wherever possible, you should make arrangements to avoid DRM. 
>> Try not to purchase anything you wouldn't keep from a DRM merchant. You 
>> nev

RE: Help with message are extremely offensive

[BBS]

Hi Jessica. You'll have to use Tessa or whatever Nuance voice you prefer until 
you finish deleting all that crap that that person sent. There's no other work 
around unfortunately.


Shawn
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-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jessica Moss
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 7:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Help with message are extremely offensive

Ok, as an addon, how to semi-fix it, sense Alex still crashes whenever I launch 
mail, so things aren't totally fixed.
On Feb 14, 2016, at 6:26 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:

> I doubt he has a large number of IP addresses at his disposal. To begin with, 
> they would have to answer to a validated NX so far as sending mail is 
> concerned. THis will limit his options a bit. Most ISP's these days won't 
> even allow you to operate a mail server. Also, rather a lot of them also 
> block the usual ports that are often used in spam. It is far easier to hijack 
> someone else's account than it is to bypass firewall redirects. This doesn't 
> mean that its impossible, but it does mean it is far easier to get someone to 
> click on a link in email.
> 
> now, as for security, I can save something questionable to a file, port it 
> over to my linux vmware machine and view it there. if a problem develops, its 
> a simple erase of the vmware files and reinstate the machine from a good 
> clean backup.
> 
> I might just start doing that with my email and browsing activities.
> 
> eric
> 
> On Feb 14, 2016, at 4:08 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> 
>> Be careful though, as this guy may have a dynamic IP, and this day with 
>> VPN's and such.  And don't say, don't give him any ideas.  Odds are, this 
>> individual probably already knows about this stuff.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Eric Oyen" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 5:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: Help with message are extremely offensive
>> 
>> 
>> hmmm.
>> well, far be it from me to offer advice. However, I had to dig pretty deep 
>> into how filters work on apple mail in order to get this to work right. 
>> Basically, I found his originating IP address, eliminated the last octet 
>> (last digits after last period), placed a star in there and checked the 
>> function move to mailbox and specified trash.
>> 
>> so far, it seems to work.
>> 
>> btw, there was another kind of message starting to show up around a few (not 
>> many) of the google groups. whatever it is, its either malformed or contains 
>> scripting designed to cause problems on macs. It caused my voiceover screen 
>> reader to lock up, caused both the mail client to crash and any web browsers 
>> I used to also crash. Even viewing the raw source caused issues. I posted a 
>> no subject response to it and removed the offending material. Hopefully, 
>> someone realizes their account has been pawned.(pardon the leet speak there).
>> 
>> anyway, some domains (and IP spaces) are known for this kind of trouble. It 
>> may seem like hard work initially, but the reward is that you never have to 
>> see the problem after that. :)
>> 
>> thanks,
>> 
>> Eric
>> 
>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>> 
>>> Good point Chris. Still, what made me think it might be all of the Google 
>>> groups is the tremendous frequency with which these offensive posts are 
>>> being put up. Then again, considering the fact that I am on to other Google 
>>> groups and this is not happening with them, you have a good point.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> After all, if memory serves correctly, we had an antagonist a few weeks ago 
>>> who seem to be on the edge of doing this very sort of thing when we all 
>>> demanded specificity from him as to a specific claims that he made 
>>> regarding Firefox and accessibility: a thread which I'm sure you were and I 
>>> remember all too well.
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly barefooted Ray,
>>> 
>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
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Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Jessica Moss]

That was actually the same thing I thought of.  I find it extremely childish 
that people would do something like that.
  I remember someone posting something on zonebbs.com, that apparently was 
immediately taken down, but talked about a lot, that someone pretended was a 
game, but was a long string of commands that would cause your computer to crash.
On Feb 14, 2016, at 11:06 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:

> Interestingly, the string does not effect my iPhone running the Karen 
> Australia voice.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 15 Feb 2016, at 13:55, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,  
>> 
>> I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to shut
>> down the Alex screen reader this morning.  
>> 
>> At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and recognized it
>> as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, for
>> posting offensive language.  
>> 
>> For whatever reason, when I attempted to locate her/his address in the
>> members list of this group, I could not find it.  Yet, the posts continued
>> to come to the list.  
>> 
>> I was away from my computer for most of the day but, upon returning home
>> about an hour or so ago, I managed to locate the user and first, change
>> his/her posting privileges and then remove him from the list.
>> 
>> To be quite honest, the account I located was unlike any I've seen in any
>> groups.  So, it is possible, more messages will come through but I think I
>> located the right address.  Only time will tell.  
>> 
>> Please know that I, on behalf of Cara, am paying close attention and am
>> doing all I can to rid the list of such nuisances.
>> 
>> For the record, the malicious string shut down my speech synthesizer, as
>> well.  Very, very annoying.  Like others in this groups, I had to use my
>> Windows computer with a non-mac screen reader to discover the source of the
>> problem.
>> 
>> Please know that we are in this together and, together, we'll get through
>> it.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
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Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Jessica Moss]

Amen to that, These lists get hacked all the time, so what can you do?
On Feb 14, 2016, at 11:04 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

> Mark,
> 
> Don't beat yourself up over this.
> 
> You're doing the best you can, and that is all anyone ever could ask of you.
> 
> On behalf of the whole list, we thank you very very greatly for all you're 
> doing!
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "M. Taylor" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:55 PM
> Subject: To The List About The Recent Spam
> 
> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to shut
>> down the Alex screen reader this morning.
>> 
>> At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and recognized it
>> as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, for
>> posting offensive language.
>> 
>> For whatever reason, when I attempted to locate her/his address in the
>> members list of this group, I could not find it.  Yet, the posts continued
>> to come to the list.
>> 
>> I was away from my computer for most of the day but, upon returning home
>> about an hour or so ago, I managed to locate the user and first, change
>> his/her posting privileges and then remove him from the list.
>> 
>> To be quite honest, the account I located was unlike any I've seen in any
>> groups.  So, it is possible, more messages will come through but I think I
>> located the right address.  Only time will tell.
>> 
>> Please know that I, on behalf of Cara, am paying close attention and am
>> doing all I can to rid the list of such nuisances.
>> 
>> For the record, the malicious string shut down my speech synthesizer, as
>> well.  Very, very annoying.  Like others in this groups, I had to use my
>> Windows computer with a non-mac screen reader to discover the source of the
>> problem.
>> 
>> Please know that we are in this together and, together, we'll get through
>> it.
>> 
>> Mark
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Re: Good News From Trillian Developers

[Jessica Moss]

I downloded that one as well, and it said the same thing.
On Feb 11, 2016, at 11:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

> Ok try this link. 
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ok9cd3uml496rqz/AADqdQPvc14LposjElfwVRePa?dl=0
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:46 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> I've downloaded this, but all it gives me is a folder full of files that 
>> have a bunch of strange extensions, and text files, but no applications to 
>> run; has anyone else had this issue?
>> On Feb 11, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Sharon. Trillian is an instant messaging client that lets you connect to 
>>> multiple chat accounts such as Facebook Chat and Aim.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On Feb 11, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
 
 What is Trillian, anyway?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Curious 
 
 Sharon H.
 
 On Feb 11, 2016, at 6:59 AM, Jessica Moss  
 wrote:
 
> Oh wonderful, thanx for the info on this.
> On Feb 8, 2016, at 6:16 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Oh man!  This is wonderful!  Thank you.
>>  
>> Chris.
>>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Shawn Krasniuk
>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 2:22 PM
>> Subject: Good News From Trillian Developers
>> 
>> Hi all. I just received an email from Kevin at Trillian. He says that 
>> they'll fix the current accessibility issues that are present in the 
>> current release of the app in version 3.4. In the meantime, for those of 
>> you that don't have a time machine backup of the app which I doubt I 
>> have, he has given me a link that people can use to download Trillian 
>> 3.2. I also have it in my dropbox should the link not work anymore. The 
>> link that Kevin gave me is www.trillian.im/get/mac/3.2/ and the dropbox 
>> link should this link not work is 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ok9cd3uml496rqz/AADqdQPvc14LposjElfwVRePa?dl=0
>> Enjoy!
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil

[Ryan Mann]

DRM stands for digital rights management.  If music or audio files are 
protected by DRM can only be played on computers that are authorized to play 
them.  This means that you can't just copy these files to a flash drive and 
copy them to another computer. Does this make sense?
PS, did you go to the Florida School for the blind?
Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:25 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> What is drm, and what do you find wrong with it?  I've heard that mentioned, 
> and think I found something with that extention when I used to transfer music 
> files onto my windows mobile phone, when I used to use one, but never opened 
> them.
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 3:00 PM, erik burggraaf  wrote:
>> 
>> May I suggest:
>> http://www.downpour.com
>> http://www.tantor.com
>> http://www.booksinmotion.com
>> http://www.emusic.com/book-genres/audiobook/
>> 
>> Also, while I'm not a fan of physical media too much any more, many books 
>> that can't be purchased drm-free can be purchased as mp3 cd's.
>> http://www.audiobookstand.com
>> 
>> I am eternally thankful that I never bought into a DRM of any kind.  If any 
>> one knows of other places to get DRM free audiobooks, I'd love  to hear 
>> about it.  My list is sorted in order of frequency used.  Emusic is at the 
>> bottom for two reasons.  First, their smart phone app is only available in 
>> the US and the UK.  Second, the smart phone app only supports music, not 
>> audiobooks.  And finally, Emusic closed it's customer service call centre.  
>> So, I would avoid that one, but the other three are really really good.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Amazon have closed my brother's account because he was returning too many 
>>> articles to them. He'd apparently crossed some sacred threshold or 
>>> other--presumably one calculated to be the least profitable to Amazon--with 
>>> the result that he can no longer log in to his account.
>>> 
>>> And you'll never guess what that means for his very handsome collection of 
>>> Audible books.
>>> 
>>> Go on, take a guess. You'll probably get it first time ...
>>> 
>>> The DRM on Audible content requires that any device obtain a key from 
>>> Amazon, after logging in to an account. Any device already possessing that 
>>> key can of course continue to download and play any content, but without 
>>> logging in, a new device cannot obtain the key. Amazon have made it very 
>>> clear to my brother that they have no intention of allowing him further 
>>> access to his account. So Amazon has put an effective end-of-life date on 
>>> all of my brother's Audible "Purchases"; as soon as he resets the devices, 
>>> sells and replaces them, etc, his Audible collection will be no more.
>>> 
>>> I'd just like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that DRM is 
>>> thoroughly and fundamentally evil. It's wicked. It's corrupt. It's 
>>> iniquitous. And it's not about piracy at all, it's about control. You don't 
>>> own the things you "buy" if the content is locked with a key you don't have 
>>> and can't get. The true owner is simply parting you from your money with 
>>> the vague promise of letting you use the key, which they endeavour to keep 
>>> you from discovering, lest you use it in ways not approved by the 
>>> owner--for instance by unlocking your digital content permanently and thus 
>>> freeing yourself from the owner's grip--but which they will make available 
>>> to you while using software that they trust to protect their, and not your, 
>>> interests. And of course, the owner always has the option of not letting 
>>> you use your key at all, by telling the server not to give it to the 
>>> software. While your decryption key is in their hands, anything might 
>>> happen to your content, at any time, even if the owner promises to the 
>>> contrary.
>>> 
>>> This racket is only possible because we give these content distributors the 
>>> money to enable it--to write the software that keeps the keys safe from 
>>> discovery while in your hands, to write laws that prohibit people from 
>>> breaking the software to access the content without use of that software, 
>>> and to criminalise perfectly legitimate uses of content that are 
>>> inconvenient for the bottom line, but that are recognised by copyright and 
>>> common sense as being reasonable and fair. I sincerely hope you take 
>>> something from this incident, as I surely do, with something like this so 
>>> close to home happening, and I hope you'll be willing to think carefully 
>>> about whose business practices you'll be willing to support if you have the 
>>> choice. I understand that we don't all have the choice to exercise all the 
>>> time, and that it's easy to make up excuses and pray that it never happens 
>>> to us. I'd say that this was particularly true for blind people and those 
>>> with other reading challenges, because the selection of material is already 
>

O/T what is drm was Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil

[erik burggraaf]

Hi Jessica,

DRM stands for digital rights management.  In other words, digital licencing 
strategies that restrict how media is distributed online and policies that 
govern how you access your data.  DRM's usually take the form of security 
encryption that prevents you from making copies of digital files.  Essentially, 
the licencer sells you the file and the right to use it in certain ways but not 
others.  In order to enforce the policy you only receive access to the 
encryption key as long as you are operating within usage guidelines determined 
by the distributer.  For example, you may only have the key for a set number of 
devices, usually 3 or 5.  In this case, you may only have the key as long as 
the username and password for a major shopping conglomerant which you used to 
purchase rights remains active.  Should your username and password be revoked 
for reasons not related to your use of the content... Well...  too bad.

Early DRM's took the form of rootkits, major legal and personal security 
violations which essentially gave the distributers of digital content a level 
of access to end user computers that even the users themselves didn't have in 
order to control the number of copies made of digital material.

Later DRM's were less threatening, but only worked on specigic types of 
equipment.  IE, you could only use your purchases on windows.

DRM's are fraught with accessibility concerns.  For example, DRM's that prevent 
you from copying the text of an ebook you purchased also prevent the content 
from being exposed to a screen reader so that you can use it with speech and 
braille.

Nowadays drm's are a lot more user friendly and less restrictive, which makes 
them even easier to break than the original flavours, and so of course, those 
with a bent for such things break the drm's on a regular basis, while those 
without such pentients have to spend hours on the phone recovering their keys 
when their authorized device falls in the toilet and dies.

regardless of how you feel about the sharing of intelectual property online, 
it's very tough to make a case in favour of DRM's.

Erik Burggraaf


> On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:25 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> What is drm, and what do you find wrong with it?  I've heard that mentioned, 
> and think I found something with that extention when I used to transfer music 
> files onto my windows mobile phone, when I used to use one, but never opened 
> them.
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 3:00 PM, erik burggraaf  > wrote:
> 
>> May I suggest:
>> http://www.downpour.com 
>> http://www.tantor.com 
>> http://www.booksinmotion.com 
>> http://www.emusic.com/book-genres/audiobook/ 
>> 
>> 
>> Also, while I'm not a fan of physical media too much any more, many books 
>> that can't be purchased drm-free can be purchased as mp3 cd's.
>> http://www.audiobookstand.com 
>> 
>> I am eternally thankful that I never bought into a DRM of any kind.  If any 
>> one knows of other places to get DRM free audiobooks, I'd love  to hear 
>> about it.  My list is sorted in order of frequency used.  Emusic is at the 
>> bottom for two reasons.  First, their smart phone app is only available in 
>> the US and the UK.  Second, the smart phone app only supports music, not 
>> audiobooks.  And finally, Emusic closed it's customer service call centre.  
>> So, I would avoid that one, but the other three are really really good.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Amazon have closed my brother's account because he was returning too many 
>>> articles to them. He'd apparently crossed some sacred threshold or 
>>> other--presumably one calculated to be the least profitable to Amazon--with 
>>> the result that he can no longer log in to his account.
>>> 
>>> And you'll never guess what that means for his very handsome collection of 
>>> Audible books.
>>> 
>>> Go on, take a guess. You'll probably get it first time ...
>>> 
>>> The DRM on Audible content requires that any device obtain a key from 
>>> Amazon, after logging in to an account. Any device already possessing that 
>>> key can of course continue to download and play any content, but without 
>>> logging in, a new device cannot obtain the key. Amazon have made it very 
>>> clear to my brother that they have no intention of allowing him further 
>>> access to his account. So Amazon has put an effective end-of-life date on 
>>> all of my brother's Audible "Purchases"; as soon as he resets the devices, 
>>> sells and replaces them, etc, his Audible collection will be no more.
>>> 
>>> I'd just like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that DRM is 
>>> thoroughly and fundamentally evil. It's wicked. It's corrupt. It's 
>>> iniquitous. And it's no

Re: Help with message are extremely offensive

[Ray Foret Jr]

Wait.  I think you may be confused about something.  We're not dealing with a 
virus here:  rather, we're dealing with a special string of characters which, 
if you type them without any spaces, causes a buffer overrun thus crashing 
Alex.  A more infamous version of this sort of thing used to happen back about 
ten years ago with Eloquence when you mistyped the word seasure.  When somebody 
found this out, they very deliberately sent messages loaded with this toxic 
character string to an e-mail list I happened to be on.  For those of us using 
JAWS (yes I used windows back then) and who were using the Nuance voices 
available at the time, were not effected by this string.


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

> On Feb 15, 2016, at 7:41 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> I'm surprised with that being the case, that he could've possibly messed up 
> my system, considering the fact that I didn't click any strange links, and 
> didn't start getting his messages until today, sense it started messing up 
> last night and I couldn't figure out how to fix it until I did a google 
> search.
> On Feb 14, 2016, at 6:26 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
>> I doubt he has a large number of IP addresses at his disposal. To begin 
>> with, they would have to answer to a validated NX so far as sending mail is 
>> concerned. THis will limit his options a bit. Most ISP's these days won't 
>> even allow you to operate a mail server. Also, rather a lot of them also 
>> block the usual ports that are often used in spam. It is far easier to 
>> hijack someone else's account than it is to bypass firewall redirects. This 
>> doesn't mean that its impossible, but it does mean it is far easier to get 
>> someone to click on a link in email.
>> 
>> now, as for security, I can save something questionable to a file, port it 
>> over to my linux vmware machine and view it there. if a problem develops, 
>> its a simple erase of the vmware files and reinstate the machine from a good 
>> clean backup.
>> 
>> I might just start doing that with my email and browsing activities.
>> 
>> eric
>> 
>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 4:08 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> 
>>> Be careful though, as this guy may have a dynamic IP, and this day with 
>>> VPN's and such.  And don't say, don't give him any ideas.  Odds are, this 
>>> individual probably already knows about this stuff.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Eric Oyen" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 5:23 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Help with message are extremely offensive
>>> 
>>> 
>>> hmmm.
>>> well, far be it from me to offer advice. However, I had to dig pretty deep 
>>> into how filters work on apple mail in order to get this to work right. 
>>> Basically, I found his originating IP address, eliminated the last octet 
>>> (last digits after last period), placed a star in there and checked the 
>>> function move to mailbox and specified trash.
>>> 
>>> so far, it seems to work.
>>> 
>>> btw, there was another kind of message starting to show up around a few 
>>> (not many) of the google groups. whatever it is, its either malformed or 
>>> contains scripting designed to cause problems on macs. It caused my 
>>> voiceover screen reader to lock up, caused both the mail client to crash 
>>> and any web browsers I used to also crash. Even viewing the raw source 
>>> caused issues. I posted a no subject response to it and removed the 
>>> offending material. Hopefully, someone realizes their account has been 
>>> pawned.(pardon the leet speak there).
>>> 
>>> anyway, some domains (and IP spaces) are known for this kind of trouble. It 
>>> may seem like hard work initially, but the reward is that you never have to 
>>> see the problem after that. :)
>>> 
>>> thanks,
>>> 
>>> Eric
>>> 
>>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>>> 
 Good point Chris. Still, what made me think it might be all of the Google 
 groups is the tremendous frequency with which these offensive posts are 
 being put up. Then again, considering the fact that I am on to other 
 Google groups and this is not happening with them, you have a good point.
 
 
 After all, if memory serves correctly, we had an antagonist a few weeks 
 ago who seem to be on the edge of doing this very sort of thing when we 
 all demanded specificity from him as to a specific claims that he made 
 regarding Firefox and accessibility: a thread which I'm sure you were and 
 I remember all too well.
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly barefooted Ray,
 
 Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
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Re: O/T what is drm was Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Of course in the states we also have DCMA which says that the mere act 
of breaking encryption (the basis of many DRM schemes) is illegal. So if 
you buy a DVD and wish to make a copy so you can extract the audio 
tracks, copy it to your favorite iDevice or just have a backup in case 
the original gets scratched, making that copy breaks the law because you 
have to break the encryption to do so.


CB

On 2/15/16 9:52 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:

Hi Jessica,

DRM stands for digital rights management.  In other words, digital 
licencing strategies that restrict how media is distributed online and 
policies that govern how you access your data.  DRM's usually take the 
form of security encryption that prevents you from making copies of 
digital files.  Essentially, the licencer sells you the file and the 
right to use it in certain ways but not others.  In order to enforce 
the policy you only receive access to the encryption key as long as 
you are operating within usage guidelines determined by the 
distributer.  For example, you may only have the key for a set number 
of devices, usually 3 or 5.  In this case, you may only have the key 
as long as the username and password for a major shopping conglomerant 
which you used to purchase rights remains active.  Should your 
username and password be revoked for reasons not related to your use 
of the content... Well...  too bad.


Early DRM's took the form of rootkits, major legal and personal 
security violations which essentially gave the distributers of digital 
content a level of access to end user computers that even the users 
themselves didn't have in order to control the number of copies made 
of digital material.


Later DRM's were less threatening, but only worked on specigic types 
of equipment.  IE, you could only use your purchases on windows.


DRM's are fraught with accessibility concerns.  For example, DRM's 
that prevent you from copying the text of an ebook you purchased also 
prevent the content from being exposed to a screen reader so that you 
can use it with speech and braille.


Nowadays drm's are a lot more user friendly and less restrictive, 
which makes them even easier to break than the original flavours, and 
so of course, those with a bent for such things break the drm's on a 
regular basis, while those without such pentients have to spend hours 
on the phone recovering their keys when their authorized device falls 
in the toilet and dies.


regardless of how you feel about the sharing of intelectual property 
online, it's very tough to make a case in favour of DRM's.


Erik Burggraaf


On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:25 PM, Jessica Moss > wrote:


What is drm, and what do you find wrong with it?  I've heard that 
mentioned, and think I found something with that extention when I 
used to transfer music files onto my windows mobile phone, when I 
used to use one, but never opened them.
On Feb 15, 2016, at 3:00 PM, erik burggraaf > wrote:



May I suggest:
http://www.downpour.com 
http://www.tantor.com 
http://www.booksinmotion.com 
http://www.emusic.com/book-genres/audiobook/

Also, while I'm not a fan of physical media too much any more, many 
books that can't be purchased drm-free can be purchased as mp3 cd's.

http://www.audiobookstand.com 

I am eternally thankful that I never bought into a DRM of any kind. 
 If any one knows of other places to get DRM free audiobooks, I'd 
love  to hear about it.  My list is sorted in order of frequency 
used.  Emusic is at the bottom for two reasons.  First, their smart 
phone app is only available in the US and the UK.  Second, the smart 
phone app only supports music, not audiobooks.  And finally, Emusic 
closed it's customer service call centre.  So, I would avoid that 
one, but the other three are really really good.


Best,

Erik Burggraaf


On Feb 15, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu > wrote:


Amazon have closed my brother's account because he was returning 
too many articles to them. He'd apparently crossed some sacred 
threshold or other--presumably one calculated to be the least 
profitable to Amazon--with the result that he can no longer log in 
to his account.


And you'll never guess what that means for his very handsome 
collection of Audible books.


Go on, take a guess. You'll probably get it first time ...

The DRM on Audible content requires that any device obtain a key 
from Amazon, after logging in to an account. Any device already 
possessing that key can of course continue to download and play any 
content, but without logging in, a new device cannot obtain the 
key. Amazon have made it very clear to my brother that they have no 
intention of allowing him further access to his account. So Amazon 
has put an effective end-of-life date on all of my brother's 
Audible "Purchases"; 

now have 3 different voices

[Marie Lyons]

Does anyone know how I can confine it to 1 voice? I went to change my default 
voice and Alex remained with the addition of Veronica and another male voice. 
It’s driving me nuts!!!

Marie Lyons

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Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

DRM, Digital rights Management.

Chris.

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  Subject: Re: FYI: DRM is Evil. Very, Very, Very Evil


  What is drm, and what do you find wrong with it?  I've heard that mentioned, 
and think I found something with that extention when I used to transfer music 
files onto my windows mobile phone, when I used to use one, but never opened 
them.

  On Feb 15, 2016, at 3:00 PM, erik burggraaf  wrote:


May I suggest:
http://www.downpour.com
http://www.tantor.com
http://www.booksinmotion.com
http://www.emusic.com/book-genres/audiobook/


Also, while I'm not a fan of physical media too much any more, many books 
that can't be purchased drm-free can be purchased as mp3 cd's.
http://www.audiobookstand.com


I am eternally thankful that I never bought into a DRM of any kind.  If any 
one knows of other places to get DRM free audiobooks, I'd love  to hear about 
it.  My list is sorted in order of frequency used.  Emusic is at the bottom for 
two reasons.  First, their smart phone app is only available in the US and the 
UK.  Second, the smart phone app only supports music, not audiobooks.  And 
finally, Emusic closed it's customer service call centre.  So, I would avoid 
that one, but the other three are really really good.


Best,


Erik Burggraaf




  On Feb 15, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  
wrote:


  Amazon have closed my brother's account because he was returning too many 
articles to them. He'd apparently crossed some sacred threshold or 
other--presumably one calculated to be the least profitable to Amazon--with the 
result that he can no longer log in to his account.

  And you'll never guess what that means for his very handsome collection 
of Audible books.

  Go on, take a guess. You'll probably get it first time ...

  The DRM on Audible content requires that any device obtain a key from 
Amazon, after logging in to an account. Any device already possessing that key 
can of course continue to download and play any content, but without logging 
in, a new device cannot obtain the key. Amazon have made it very clear to my 
brother that they have no intention of allowing him further access to his 
account. So Amazon has put an effective end-of-life date on all of my brother's 
Audible "Purchases"; as soon as he resets the devices, sells and replaces them, 
etc, his Audible collection will be no more.

  I'd just like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that DRM is 
thoroughly and fundamentally evil. It's wicked. It's corrupt. It's iniquitous. 
And it's not about piracy at all, it's about control. You don't own the things 
you "buy" if the content is locked with a key you don't have and can't get. The 
true owner is simply parting you from your money with the vague promise of 
letting you use the key, which they endeavour to keep you from discovering, 
lest you use it in ways not approved by the owner--for instance by unlocking 
your digital content permanently and thus freeing yourself from the owner's 
grip--but which they will make available to you while using software that they 
trust to protect their, and not your, interests. And of course, the owner 
always has the option of not letting you use your key at all, by telling the 
server not to give it to the software. While your decryption key is in their 
hands, anything might happen to your content, at any time, even if the owner 
promises to the contrary.

  This racket is only possible because we give these content distributors 
the money to enable it--to write the software that keeps the keys safe from 
discovery while in your hands, to write laws that prohibit people from breaking 
the software to access the content without use of that software, and to 
criminalise perfectly legitimate uses of content that are inconvenient for the 
bottom line, but that are recognised by copyright and common sense as being 
reasonable and fair. I sincerely hope you take something from this incident, as 
I surely do, with something like this so close to home happening, and I hope 
you'll be willing to think carefully about whose business practices you'll be 
willing to support if you have the choice. I understand that we don't all have 
the choice to exercise all the time, and that it's easy to make up excuses and 
pray that it never happens to us. I'd say that this was particularly true for 
blind people and those with other reading challenges, because the selection of 
material is already very limited. Audible makes a fantastic, sometimes 
exclusive collection of audiobooks available.

  But they, and any other DRM pedaler, simply cannot be trusted. I have 
made it a habit never to value any protected content too highly, and I'm 
gratified to see the truth in it, sad as I am for my brother's plight. For your 
own sake, wherever possible, you shoul

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Re: Hi my name is Dora!

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Re: Hi my name is Dora!

[Dora Speck]

I actually have a Mac. It is a MacBook Pro 2012, 13 inch with four giggs of RAM.

Dora Speck

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Re: Hi my name is Dora!

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> I actually have a Mac. It is a MacBook Pro 2012, 13 inch with four giggs of 
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Re: Hi my name is Dora!

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Hi Dora!
Looks like your membership request worked after all.
Happy exploring!

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>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 10:07 PM, Dora Speck > > wrote:
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>> I actually have a Mac. It is a MacBook Pro 2012, 13 inch with four giggs of 
>> RAM.
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>> [Sent from my iPhone]
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>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 8:05 PM, joseph hudson > > wrote:
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Re: Hi my name is Dora!

[Dora Speck]

Hi, Yes, Bill, it did work! Just as I had asked you about it on Skype, I 
checked my email, and there it was! But glad to be here.
Has the spamminess stopped now? Can I be brave and switch back to Alex now?

Dora Speck
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 8:20 PM, Bill Dengler  wrote:
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> Hi Dora!
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> Bill
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 11:09 PM, joseph hudson > > wrote:
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Re: Hi my name is Dora!

[joseph hudson]

Yes, the spam is gone. Expect Alex until further notice.
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> On Feb 15, 2016, at 10:32 PM, Dora Speck  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Yes, Bill, it did work! Just as I had asked you about it on Skype, I 
> checked my email, and there it was! But glad to be here.
> Has the spamminess stopped now? Can I be brave and switch back to Alex now?
> 
> Dora Speck
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 8:20 PM, Bill Dengler > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Dora!
>> Looks like your membership request worked after all.
>> Happy exploring!
>> 
>> Bill
>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 11:09 PM, joseph hudson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh okay cool. Well I hope you enjoy your stay.
>>> Joseph Hudson
>>> Email
>>> jhud7...@gmail.com 
>>> I device support
>>> Telephone
>>> 2543007667
>>> Skype
>>> joseph.hudson89 facebook
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>>> 
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>>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89  
>>> 
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>>> jhud7...@yahoo.com 
 On Feb 15, 2016, at 10:07 PM, Dora Speck >>> > wrote:
 
 I actually have a Mac. It is a MacBook Pro 2012, 13 inch with four giggs 
 of RAM.
 
 Dora Speck
 
 [Sent from my iPhone]
 
 On Feb 15, 2016, at 8:05 PM, joseph hudson >>> > wrote:
 
> Hi, welcome to the group. Are you getting a MacBook Pro? Or iMac?
> Joseph Hudson
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>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 10:03 PM, Dora Speck > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello. I'm Dora. I'm from British Columbia, Canada. I'm 24, totally 
>> blind and single. I hope to make new connections as time goes on.
>> Thanks. :)
>> 
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>> 
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Re: Hi my name is Dora!

[Dora Speck]

Thanks. Just switched. What Macs do you all have here? I've already stated 
which 1 I have. I've had it for 3 years now. I did get my first 1 in 2012, but 
for some unknown reason, the command key stopped working so I switched it out 
for this 1.
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 8:36 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
> 
> Yes, the spam is gone. Expect Alex until further notice.
> Joseph Hudson
> Email
> jhud7...@gmail.com 
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89 facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 
> 
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89  
> 
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7...@yahoo.com 
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 10:32 PM, Dora Speck > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Yes, Bill, it did work! Just as I had asked you about it on Skype, I 
>> checked my email, and there it was! But glad to be here.
>> Has the spamminess stopped now? Can I be brave and switch back to Alex now?
>> 
>> Dora Speck
>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 8:20 PM, Bill Dengler >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Dora!
>>> Looks like your membership request worked after all.
>>> Happy exploring!
>>> 
>>> Bill
 On Feb 15, 2016, at 11:09 PM, joseph hudson >>> > wrote:
 
 Oh okay cool. Well I hope you enjoy your stay.
 Joseph Hudson
 Email
 jhud7...@gmail.com 
 I device support
 Telephone
 2543007667
 Skype
 joseph.hudson89 facebook
 https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 
 
 Twitter
 https://twitter.com/josephhudson89  
 
 FaceTime/iMessage
 jhud7...@yahoo.com 
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 10:07 PM, Dora Speck  > wrote:
> 
> I actually have a Mac. It is a MacBook Pro 2012, 13 inch with four Giggs 
> of RAM.
> 
> Dora Speck
> 
> [Sent from my iPhone]
> 
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 8:05 PM, joseph hudson  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi, welcome to the group. Are you getting a MacBook Pro? Or iMac?
>> Joseph Hudson
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com 
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89 facebook
>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 
>> 
>> Twitter
>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89  
>> 
>> FaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@yahoo.com 
>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 10:03 PM, Dora Speck >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello. I'm Dora. I'm from British Columbia, Canada. I'm 24, totally 
>>> blind and single. I hope to make new connections as time goes on.
>>> Thanks. :)
>>> 
>>> Dora Speck
>>> 
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Re: Hi my name is Dora!

[joseph hudson]

After 13 inch MacBook Pro that came out in 2013.
Joseph Hudson
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> On Feb 15, 2016, at 10:39 PM, Dora Speck  wrote:
> 
> Thanks. Just switched. What Macs do you all have here? I've already stated 
> which 1 I have. I've had it for 3 years now. I did get my first 1 in 2012, 
> but for some unknown reason, the command key stopped working so I switched it 
> out for this 1.
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 8:36 PM, joseph hudson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, the spam is gone. Expect Alex until further notice.
>> Joseph Hudson
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com 
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89 facebook
>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 
>> 
>> Twitter
>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89  
>> 
>> FaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@yahoo.com 
>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 10:32 PM, Dora Speck >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Yes, Bill, it did work! Just as I had asked you about it on Skype, I 
>>> checked my email, and there it was! But glad to be here.
>>> Has the spamminess stopped now? Can I be brave and switch back to Alex now?
>>> 
>>> Dora Speck
 On Feb 15, 2016, at 8:20 PM, Bill Dengler >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Dora!
 Looks like your membership request worked after all.
 Happy exploring!
 
 Bill
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 11:09 PM, joseph hudson  > wrote:
> 
> Oh okay cool. Well I hope you enjoy your stay.
> Joseph Hudson
> Email
> jhud7...@gmail.com 
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89 facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 
> 
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89  
> 
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7...@yahoo.com 
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 10:07 PM, Dora Speck > > wrote:
>> 
>> I actually have a Mac. It is a MacBook Pro 2012, 13 inch with four Giggs 
>> of RAM.
>> 
>> Dora Speck
>> 
>> [Sent from my iPhone]
>> 
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 8:05 PM, joseph hudson > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, welcome to the group. Are you getting a MacBook Pro? Or iMac?
>>> Joseph Hudson
>>> Email
>>> jhud7...@gmail.com 
>>> I device support
>>> Telephone
>>> 2543007667
>>> Skype
>>> joseph.hudson89 facebook
>>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 
>>> 
>>> Twitter
>>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89  
>>> 
>>> FaceTime/iMessage
>>> jhud7...@yahoo.com 
 On Feb 15, 2016, at 10:03 PM, Dora Speck >>> > wrote:
 
 Hello. I'm Dora. I'm from British Columbia, Canada. I'm 24, totally 
 blind and single. I hope to make new connections as time goes on.
 Thanks. :)
 
 Dora Speck
 
 [Sent from my iPhone]
 
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Re: Hi my name is Dora!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yup, sounds like the same system I have.  I love that thing!

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Dora Speck 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 11:07 PM
  Subject: Re: Hi my name is Dora!


  I actually have a Mac. It is a MacBook Pro 2012, 13 inch with four giggs of 
RAM.

  Dora Speck


  [Sent from my iPhone]

  On Feb 15, 2016, at 8:05 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:


Hi, welcome to the group. Are you getting a MacBook Pro? Or iMac?

Joseph Hudson
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I device support
Telephone
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Skype
joseph.hudson89 facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 


FaceTime/iMessage
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  On Feb 15, 2016, at 10:03 PM, Dora Speck  wrote:


  Hello. I'm Dora. I'm from British Columbia, Canada. I'm 24, totally blind 
and single. I hope to make new connections as time goes on.
  Thanks. :)

  Dora Speck

  [Sent from my iPhone]

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Re: Hi my name is Dora!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Hi Dora.

Glad to have you on the list.  Welcome.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Dora Speck" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 11:03 PM
Subject: Hi my name is Dora!


Hello. I'm Dora. I'm from British Columbia, Canada. I'm 24, totally blind 
and single. I hope to make new connections as time goes on.

Thanks. :)

Dora Speck

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Re: Hi my name is Dora!

[Dora Speck]

Thanks so much! Glad to be here.  I've always wanted to be a part of something, 
and it looks like now's my chance. :)
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 8:48 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Dora.
> 
> Glad to have you on the list.  Welcome.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Dora Speck" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 11:03 PM
> Subject: Hi my name is Dora!
> 
> 
>> Hello. I'm Dora. I'm from British Columbia, Canada. I'm 24, totally blind 
>> and single. I hope to make new connections as time goes on.
>> Thanks. :)
>> 
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Re: Hi my name is Dora!

[Dora Speck]

How many of you have had to downgrade from the recent opperating system? I 
haven't, although it tends to be slightly laggy. It took me a bit to get things 
going propperly this morning. I seriously hope they fix that in whatever update 
comes next! 
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 8:49 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Yup, sounds like the same system I have.  I love that thing!
>  
> Chris.
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Dora Speck 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 11:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: Hi my name is Dora!
>> 
>> I actually have a Mac. It is a MacBook Pro 2012, 13 inch with four giggs of 
>> RAM.
>> 
>> Dora Speck
>> 
>> [Sent from my iPhone]
>> 
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 8:05 PM, joseph hudson > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, welcome to the group. Are you getting a MacBook Pro? Or iMac?
>>> Joseph Hudson
>>> Email
>>> jhud7...@gmail.com 
>>> I device support
>>> Telephone
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>>> Skype
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>>> 
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 On Feb 15, 2016, at 10:03 PM, Dora Speck >>> > wrote:
 
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 and single. I hope to make new connections as time goes on.
 Thanks. :)
 
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Re: Hi my name is Dora!

[Ray Foret Jr]

Well, Dora, my name is Ray.  I use a mid November 2009 15 inch Mac book pro 
with only 4GB ram and a 500GB drive on it.  The voice I'm using is the Nuance 
Tom voice (the high bit rate version);  This is owing to the events of 
yesterday when that toxic character string showed up to crash Alex.  It didn't 
effect my iPhone 6+ though as I use Arron, (the US male Siri voice).


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

> On Feb 15, 2016, at 10:39 PM, Dora Speck  wrote:
> 
> Thanks. Just switched. What Macs do you all have here? I've already stated 
> which 1 I have. I've had it for 3 years now. I did get my first 1 in 2012, 
> but for some unknown reason, the command key stopped working so I switched it 
> out for this 1.
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 8:36 PM, joseph hudson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, the spam is gone. Expect Alex until further notice.
>> Joseph Hudson
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com 
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89 facebook
>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 
>> 
>> Twitter
>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89  
>> 
>> FaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@yahoo.com 
>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 10:32 PM, Dora Speck >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Yes, Bill, it did work! Just as I had asked you about it on Skype, I 
>>> checked my email, and there it was! But glad to be here.
>>> Has the spamminess stopped now? Can I be brave and switch back to Alex now?
>>> 
>>> Dora Speck
 On Feb 15, 2016, at 8:20 PM, Bill Dengler >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Dora!
 Looks like your membership request worked after all.
 Happy exploring!
 
 Bill
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 11:09 PM, joseph hudson  > wrote:
> 
> Oh okay cool. Well I hope you enjoy your stay.
> Joseph Hudson
> Email
> jhud7...@gmail.com 
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89 facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 
> 
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89  
> 
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7...@yahoo.com 
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 10:07 PM, Dora Speck > > wrote:
>> 
>> I actually have a Mac. It is a MacBook Pro 2012, 13 inch with four Giggs 
>> of RAM.
>> 
>> Dora Speck
>> 
>> [Sent from my iPhone]
>> 
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 8:05 PM, joseph hudson > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, welcome to the group. Are you getting a MacBook Pro? Or iMac?
>>> Joseph Hudson
>>> Email
>>> jhud7...@gmail.com 
>>> I device support
>>> Telephone
>>> 2543007667
>>> Skype
>>> joseph.hudson89 facebook
>>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 
>>> 
>>> Twitter
>>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89  
>>> 
>>> FaceTime/iMessage
>>> jhud7...@yahoo.com 
 On Feb 15, 2016, at 10:03 PM, Dora Speck >>> > wrote:
 
 Hello. I'm Dora. I'm from British Columbia, Canada. I'm 24, totally 
 blind and single. I hope to make new connections as time goes on.
 Thanks. :)
 
 Dora Speck
 
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Re: Hi my name is Dora!

[Dora Speck]

Oh trust me, as I looked at all the posts. I saw all of those. O course that 
didn't stop me from joining! I just simpley switched to Samantha compacked so 
as to not crash! Bill was the 1 who told me about this, so yeah! I googled you 
all, and here I am!  I'm impressed at how long Macs can last for honestly!
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 8:54 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Well, Dora, my name is Ray.  I use a mid November 2009 15 inch Mac book pro 
> with only 4GB ram and a 500GB drive on it.  The voice I'm using is the Nuance 
> Tom voice (the high bit rate version);  This is owing to the events of 
> yesterday when that toxic character string showed up to crash Alex.  It 
> didn't effect my iPhone 6+ though as I use Arron, (the US male Siri voice).
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 10:39 PM, Dora Speck > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks. Just switched. What Macs do you all have here? I've already stated 
>> which 1 I have. I've had it for 3 years now. I did get my first 1 in 2012, 
>> but for some unknown reason, the command key stopped working so I switched 
>> it out for this 1.
>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 8:36 PM, joseph hudson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, the spam is gone. Expect Alex until further notice.
>>> Joseph Hudson
>>> Email
>>> jhud7...@gmail.com 
>>> I device support
>>> Telephone
>>> 2543007667
>>> Skype
>>> joseph.hudson89 facebook
>>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 
>>> 
>>> Twitter
>>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89  
>>> 
>>> FaceTime/iMessage
>>> jhud7...@yahoo.com 
 On Feb 15, 2016, at 10:32 PM, Dora Speck >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi, Yes, Bill, it did work! Just as I had asked you about it on Skype, I 
 checked my email, and there it was! But glad to be here.
 Has the spamminess stopped now? Can I be brave and switch back to Alex now?
 
 Dora Speck
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 8:20 PM, Bill Dengler  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Dora!
> Looks like your membership request worked after all.
> Happy exploring!
> 
> Bill
>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 11:09 PM, joseph hudson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Oh okay cool. Well I hope you enjoy your stay.
>> Joseph Hudson
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com 
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89 facebook
>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 
>> 
>> Twitter
>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89  
>> 
>> FaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@yahoo.com 
>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 10:07 PM, Dora Speck >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I actually have a Mac. It is a MacBook Pro 2012, 13 inch with four 
>>> Giggs of RAM.
>>> 
>>> Dora Speck
>>> 
>>> [Sent from my iPhone]
>>> 
>>> On Feb 15, 2016, at 8:05 PM, joseph hudson >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hi, welcome to the group. Are you getting a MacBook Pro? Or iMac?
 Joseph Hudson
 Email
 jhud7...@gmail.com 
 I device support
 Telephone
 2543007667
 Skype
 joseph.hudson89 facebook
 https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 
 
 Twitter
 https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
  
 
 FaceTime/iMessage
 jhud7...@yahoo.com 
> On Feb 15, 2016, at 10:03 PM, Dora Speck  > wrote:
> 
> Hello. I'm Dora. I'm from British Columbia, Canada. I'm 24, totally 
> blind and single. I hope to make new connections as time goes on.
> Thanks. :)
> 
> Dora Speck
> 
> [Sent from my iPhone]
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RE: To The List About The Recent Spam

[Debbie April Yuille]

Hi Caitlin

 

To restart your mac without voice over talking. Press the Control plus Command 
Plus the eject key.

 

Debbie 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Caitlyn F
Sent: Tuesday, 16 February 2016 1:30 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: To The List About The Recent Spam

 

Hi thanks for your input my computer isn't talking at all and I have no vision 
so I can't do what you suggested any other ideas thanks Caitlyn

Sent from Caitlyn's I phone


On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Basioli George mailto:gbma...@gmail.com> > wrote:

do the following

 

command f8 to open the voice over utilities

in the table inter act and arrow down to speech and stop interactting

v o right errow to the defalt voice pup up menu and it will read alix since 
this is your defalt set voice

v o spacebar on this and arrow down to a new voice and do v o spacebar and the 
defalt voice will change and it will speak in the new choice

 

close the voice over utility

 

how’s that

On Feb 15, 2016, at 6:21 AM, Caitlyn F mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi how do you fix this problem doesn't only affect the Alex screenreader my mac 
is completely useless right now and all I have to work with is my iPhone thanks 
a lot Caitlyn

Sent from Caitlyn's I phone


On Feb 15, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Andrew mailto:ioani...@me.com> > 
wrote:

y screen reader stopped talking and I had to force shut the ocmputer.  Yes, we 
are grateful for helping us with this unacdceptale action.  Andrews problem.

On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 4:05:24 AM UTC, Chris Gilland wrote:

Mark, 

Don't beat yourself up over this. 

You're doing the best you can, and that is all anyone ever could ask of you. 

On behalf of the whole list, we thank you very very greatly for all you're 
doing! 

Chris. 

- Original Message - 
From: "M. Taylor"  > 
To:  > 
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:55 PM 
Subject: To The List About The Recent Spam 


> Hello Everyone, 
> 
> I became aware of the offensive emails and the deliberate string to shut 
> down the Alex screen reader this morning. 
> 
> At that time, I looked at the email address of the sender and recognized 
> it 
> as one that I had just banned, last night, from the V iPhone list, for 
> posting offensive language. 
> 
> For whatever reason, when I attempted to locate her/his address in the 
> members list of this group, I could not find it.  Yet, the posts continued 
> to come to the list. 
> 
> I was away from my computer for most of the day but, upon returning home 
> about an hour or so ago, I managed to locate the user and first, change 
> his/her posting privileges and then remove him from the list. 
> 
> To be quite honest, the account I located was unlike any I've seen in any 
> groups.  So, it is possible, more messages will come through but I think I 
> located the right address.  Only time will tell. 
> 
> Please know that I, on behalf of Cara, am paying close attention and am 
> doing all I can to rid the list of such nuisances. 
> 
> For the record, the malicious string shut down my speech synthesizer, as 
> well.  Very, very annoying.  Like others in this groups, I had to use my 
> Windows computer with a non-mac screen reader to discover the source of 
> the 
> problem. 
> 
> Please know that we are in this together and, together, we'll get through 
> it. 
> 
> Mark 
> 
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Voiceover Voices

[Helga Schreiber]

Hi all!How are you all?  I just wanted to ask yu,  can anyone tell me here  why 
are the steps in adding  new voices to the Mac besides just having Alex on the 
Mac? I'm just wondering since I  would like to add some Voiceover  Voices, like 
the   Samanta Voice that I have on my  iPhone 6S. And I also would like to have 
 a voice that is in Spanish since I  Speak Spanish! I really appreciate if you 
can offer me some help regarding this matter!! I look forward in hearing form  
you soon. Thanks and God bless!

Helga Schreiber 

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
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