Re: How to uninstall an app

[William Gallik]

Hey guys, thanks much!
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Re: To Scott from Mark: Off-List: RE: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

[Jessica Moss]

Ok cool, thanx for the info; I'm not on the IPhone list, so don't know who this 
person is.  I barely have time to check my e-mail anymore so really don't want 
to join multiple lists if I can help it, but will check these out.
On Sep 16, 2015, at 9:25 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

> To join Peel The Apple, send a blank email to 
> peel-the-apple+subscr...@googlegroups.com. As for Blind Apples, you're on the 
> iPhone list right? If so, do you know a guy named Joseph Hudson? Email him 
> and he'll get you subscribed to his list. And Mac For The Blind is a FreeList 
> mailing list so doing a google search should give you the subscribe link for 
> their mailing list. In my opinion though, Mark has made everything right in 
> the world now so we can stay put if we want right?
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Sep 16, 2015, at 6:57 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> Can you please give me the irk for these lists?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 16, 2015, at 1:54 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm gonna wait until Cara and Mark make their final judgements. I posted my 
>>> opinions in another thread so I won't post them again, but I will say that 
>>> if this list develops the strict rule that we can only talk about the Mac, 
>>> then sorry to say, I'll be doing the same as others have and or will do and 
>>> take my talents elsewhere. I'm subscribed to three other lists that let 
>>> people talk about Mac and iPhone in one list, one list, Peel The Apple, has 
>>> an off topic weekend where people can talk about anything, Windows, 
>>> Android, even Jaws. The other two are Joseph Hudson's Blind Apples list and 
>>> John P's Mac For The Blind list. So as you can see I have a lot of 
>>> resources at my disposal. One more thing, the sad day will be when I do 
>>> unsubscribe because I share Kawal's sentiments in that I've met a ton of 
>>> awesome people and I even have some of you on Skype and social media. So it 
>>> will be sad if I do unsubscribe because these past 5 years with you guys 
>>> were awesome and to those of you that don't have me on Skype or social 
>>> media, I'll miss you a lot.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On Sep 15, 2015, at 4:54 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I agree with you Scott.  This is not the sentiment of the list that I 
 joined 10 years ago.  I will sign off of this one.  Can be more useful 
 elsewhere.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Sep 15, 2015, at 12:15, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
 I thought the rest of the list would be interested in this response from 
 Mark sent off list but I think he should have responded on list.
 
 Obviously he has no interest in what we the users have requested.  Any 
 idiot knows that the Apple environment is an ecosystem of devices and 
 software as well as content.  The Mac is a part, the iPhone is a part, pad 
 still another.  So instead of having one logical place to discuss the 
 entire ecosystem your moderator wants to have super fragmentation and then 
 stifle conversations that don’t deal with the Mac specifically.  We know 
 the VIPhone list is over run with garbage messages and badly moderated.  
 As several stated they wanted a place here to discuss the entire Apple 
 product line and also presented was this list predates any others and as 
 such previously was a clearinghouse for all things Apple not just Mac.  I 
 will of course comply by leaving the list as I have no interest in 
 subscribing to yet more lists and I hope his power trip was satisfying.  
 Mark, your users don’t want this so why enforce something that doesn’t 
 make sense and doesn’t meet the needs of the many users who have spoken up?
 
 Enjoy!
 
  
 
 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: "M. Taylor" 
> Subject: To Scott from Mark: Off-List: RE: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?
> Date: September 15, 2015 at 2:09:33 PM EDT
> To: 
> Reply-To: 
> 
> Hello Scott,
> 
> As stated in the subject, I am replying to you, off-list.  I would have 
> appreciated the same courtesy.
> 
> While I appreciate your sentiment on this, the bottom line is that this 
> list is dedicated to Mac OSX products and services only.  
> 
> So I ask you to please respect this policy and close this thread.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 6:02 AM
> To: macvisionarie

Question about links in mail

[gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net]

Hello,

What is the command to activate a link in mail? I can open the message and 
read it. I want to click on a link to open a safari page, but I don't know 
how. I press enter and also vo space bar, but nothing.

Thank you,
Rena




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Stop Syncing Music in iTunes

[Jeff Berwick]

Hi all,

I am wondering if anybody can tell me how to stop syncing my music library with 
my iPhone.

I have Apple Music, and need the space on my iPhone, but I can't find the 
checkbox to stop syncing.

Tia,
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Re: Question about links in mail

[Alex Hall]

VO-space is the way, but you have to be on the link. I usually interact with 
the text and then move to the link, or try vo-cmd-l to get to it. Either way, 
if you don't interact, focus may not be on the link. You could also try moving 
to the link as you're doing now, then press vo-shift-f4 to move VO's focus o 
your keyboard cursor. I have never tried this last one, so I have no clue if 
it'll do anything or not.
> On Sep 17, 2015, at 07:56, gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> What is the command to activate a link in mail? I can open the message and 
> read it. I want to click on a link to open a safari page, but I don't know 
> how. I press enter and also vo space bar, but nothing.
> Thank you,
> Rena
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.greenpathtowellness.com/
> Author of Dear Suzie, Rivers Of Light and Annie's Journal
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Re: Question about links in mail

[Aleeha Dudley]

Press VO command L until you hear the link you need. Then press VO space. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2015, at 6:56 AM, gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> What is the command to activate a link in mail? I can open the message and 
> read it. I want to click on a link to open a safari page, but I don't know 
> how. I press enter and also vo space bar, but nothing.
> Thank you,
> Rena
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.greenpathtowellness.com/
> Author of Dear Suzie, Rivers Of Light and Annie's Journal
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Re: Stop Syncing Music in iTunes

[Phil Halton]

I had a similar problem when Apple music first came out. I could no longer 
access my iTunes match library. This is what I did in settings/music there are 
silver headings, one of which is Apple music there is a checkbox to turn it 
off. the next heading is library there's a checkbox there to turn iCloud 
library on. Perhaps one of these will answer your need. Your question isn't all 
that clear, but if you want to turn Apple music off then check the checkbox 
under Apple music.  if you want instead to turn off syncing your iTunes library 
I would imagine you would uncheck the box under the library heading. You're 
going to have to play around with these sorry I can't help more

Sent from my IPhone


> On Sep 17, 2015, at 8:08 AM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I am wondering if anybody can tell me how to stop syncing my music library 
> with my iPhone.
> 
> I have Apple Music, and need the space on my iPhone, but I can't find the 
> checkbox to stop syncing.
> 
> Tia,
> Jeff
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Re: Question about links in mail

[gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net]

Perhaps I don't know how to explain correctly. I want to activate a link in 
order to open a page in safari and fill out a form. I open the message, I 
stand exactly on the link, I press enter and nothing, vo space bar and 
nothing, vo l and nothing either. In windows I just press enter on a link to 
activate it. How can I do the same here?



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-Original Message- 
From: Aleeha Dudley

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about links in mail

Press VO command L until you hear the link you need. Then press VO space.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 17, 2015, at 6:56 AM, gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net 
 wrote:


Hello,

What is the command to activate a link in mail? I can open the message and 
read it. I want to click on a link to open a safari page, but I don't know 
how. I press enter and also vo space bar, but nothing.

Thank you,
Rena




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Re: Question about links in mail

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Rena,

You need to press VO-Cmd-l to get to the link and then VO-Space to activate the 
link which will open Safari. VO-l just reads the line.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 17 Sep 2015, at 16:42, gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net 
>  wrote:
> 
> Perhaps I don't know how to explain correctly. I want to activate a link in 
> order to open a page in safari and fill out a form. I open the message, I 
> stand exactly on the link, I press enter and nothing, vo space bar and 
> nothing, vo l and nothing either. In windows I just press enter on a link to 
> activate it. How can I do the same here?
> 
> 
> http://www.greenpathtowellness.com/
> Author of Dear Suzie, Rivers Of Light and Annie's Journal
> -Original Message- From: Aleeha Dudley
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 8:59 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about links in mail
> 
> Press VO command L until you hear the link you need. Then press VO space.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 6:56 AM, gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> What is the command to activate a link in mail? I can open the message and 
>> read it. I want to click on a link to open a safari page, but I don't know 
>> how. I press enter and also vo space bar, but nothing.
>> Thank you,
>> Rena
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.greenpathtowellness.com/
>> Author of Dear Suzie, Rivers Of Light and Annie's Journal
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Re: tables in pages

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Marie,

I don’t know of any command to read down a column of a table, but one trick 
that works is to select the whole column using Cmd-Shift-Down Arrow then press 
VO-F6 to read the selection.

Cheers,

Anne


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> Does anyone know how to have v/o read the contents of a column?ÎÎÎ
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Re: E-mail bug on IOS.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hello Michael.

I thought I had explained that in one of my previous messages some time ago.  
If not, then I apologise.

So here goes again.

If in IOS8, you opened your mailbox, you could not always focus on every 
message.  Also when in a body of a message, you could find the delete button 
and Voice Over would land on the reply button instead.

Another bug I found in IOS8 was for instance:

1. Open settings.

2. flick right and pretend you were looking for phone.

3.  You'd pass reminders and suddenly Voice Over would say apple pay or 
compass.  You'd flick left and you'd notice that it had missed, face time, 
messages and phone.

I hope this clarifies.

Kawal. 
On 17 Sep 2015, at 00:37, Michael Babcock  wrote:

OK, but what i’m asking is what bugs are you experiencing an IOS eight? If I 
had A better clarification of the "bugs" you're experiencing, I could've that 
you know if they are present in IOS nine or not.
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> On Sep 16, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I am not running iOS 9. The bugs are in iOS 8.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 16 Sep 2015, at 10:56 pm, Michael  wrote:
>> 
>> Could you be more specific about what bug you're talking about in mail? I 
>> haven't observed any as of yet and been running iOS nine cents July.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2015, at 2:30 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> I don't know if anyone has got IOS9 on there I phone yet but if they have 
>>> and it's released, can someone tell me if the e-mail bug has been fixed 
>>> please?  Also, the bug where Voice Over did not focus properly on I cons, 
>>> is that fixed too please?  Please could someone tell me when El Capitan 
>>> will be released as I don't know.
>>> 
>>> I hope my questions are allowed now meaning we can ask I phone questions on 
>>> here now.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
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Peel-the-Apple.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I tried joining Peel-the-apple and they would not have me so I don't know what 
joy anyone else would have on it as I think they selected their members i.e. if 
they liked them, you were in and if not you were not.  Also at the time I 
thought if you didn't contribute on a regular basis you were booted off.  But 
may be people hated me as I know of a lot of people who hate me but I don't 
know why as I have no clue what I do wrong for people to hate me like this but 
they do.  To be honest I have have had a lot of hard time from a member on this 
list.  If any of you knew, your hair would fall out and no lie about it.

Kawal.
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Re: E-mail bug on IOS.

[Michael Babcock]

good day:
I have not observed any of these bugs in IOS 9.
best.

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> On Sep 17, 2015, at 8:08 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  > wrote:
> 
> Hello Michael.
> 
> I thought I had explained that in one of my previous messages some time ago.  
> If not, then I apologise.
> 
> So here goes again.
> 
> If in IOS8, you opened your mailbox, you could not always focus on every 
> message.  Also when in a body of a message, you could find the delete button 
> and Voice Over would land on the reply button instead.
> 
> Another bug I found in IOS8 was for instance:
> 
> 1. Open settings.
> 
> 2. flick right and pretend you were looking for phone.
> 
> 3.  You'd pass reminders and suddenly Voice Over would say apple pay or 
> compass.  You'd flick left and you'd notice that it had missed, face time, 
> messages and phone.
> 
> I hope this clarifies.
> 
> Kawal. 
> On 17 Sep 2015, at 00:37, Michael Babcock  > wrote:
> 
> OK, but what i’m asking is what bugs are you experiencing an IOS eight? If I 
> had A better clarification of the "bugs" you're experiencing, I could've that 
> you know if they are present in IOS nine or not.
> Michael Babcock
> Your Blind Digital Marketing Partner.
> @payown on periscope and twitter.
> http://yourownpay.com/ 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 16, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> I am not running iOS 9. The bugs are in iOS 8.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 16 Sep 2015, at 10:56 pm, Michael  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Could you be more specific about what bug you're talking about in mail? I 
>>> haven't observed any as of yet and been running iOS nine cents July.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 16, 2015, at 2:30 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 Hi.
 
 I don't know if anyone has got IOS9 on there I phone yet but if they have 
 and it's released, can someone tell me if the e-mail bug has been fixed 
 please?  Also, the bug where Voice Over did not focus properly on I cons, 
 is that fixed too please?  Please could someone tell me when El Capitan 
 will be released as I don't know.
 
 I hope my questions are allowed now meaning we can ask I phone questions 
 on here now.
 
 Thanks.
 
 Kawal.
 
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RE: E-mail bug on IOS.

[Maatthew Dyer]

Hi,

10.11 will be released on September 30 according to apple.  Not sure about ios 
9 as I do not have an ios device to test athe moment.

Matthew



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Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 5:30 PM
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: E-mail bug on IOS.

Hi.

I don't know if anyone has got IOS9 on there I phone yet but if they have and 
it's released, can someone tell me if the e-mail bug has been fixed please?  
Also, the bug where Voice Over did not focus properly on I cons, is that fixed 
too please?  Please could someone tell me when El Capitan will be released as I 
don't know.

I hope my questions are allowed now meaning we can ask I phone questions on 
here now.

Thanks.

Kawal.

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Re: weird problem with App store

[Scott Granados]

Go through your apps page by page and see if any are stuck on downloading or 
downloading paused, something like that.  If so, double tap the specific app to 
restore.  This has happened to me, not sure if it’s your exact issue but worth 
a shot.

Thanks
Scott

> On Sep 16, 2015, at 7:10 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> I'm having a weird app store issue on my phone.  My phone says I have two 
> updates available.  When I go into the app store, I see the two updates, but 
> rather than reading Update, it says open the App.  And the Update All button 
> is dimmed.  I've tried signing out and back in,powering my phone on and off, 
> but nothing seems to change.  Has anyone seen this?  Does anyone have a 
> solution?
> TIA,
> Donna
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IOS 9 impressions?

[Scott Granados]

Anyone else install IOS 9 and what are your impressions?

I have it running now for less than 24 hours of course.  Battery drain seems 
higher but I probably need a phone restart that usually clears battery issues.  
I like VO saying cap and the letter now instead of uppercase or capitol, and 
the replacement for passbook seems easy to use.  Other than that not to many 
impressions yet.  What are you all experiencing?


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Re: E-mail bug on IOS.

[Scott Granados]

Wow I never saw these bugs on my iPhone 6+.  I read a lot of mail though I 
don’t respond much from the phone so that could be why.

> On Sep 17, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hello Michael.
> 
> I thought I had explained that in one of my previous messages some time ago.  
> If not, then I apologise.
> 
> So here goes again.
> 
> If in IOS8, you opened your mailbox, you could not always focus on every 
> message.  Also when in a body of a message, you could find the delete button 
> and Voice Over would land on the reply button instead.
> 
> Another bug I found in IOS8 was for instance:
> 
> 1. Open settings.
> 
> 2. flick right and pretend you were looking for phone.
> 
> 3.  You'd pass reminders and suddenly Voice Over would say apple pay or 
> compass.  You'd flick left and you'd notice that it had missed, face time, 
> messages and phone.
> 
> I hope this clarifies.
> 
> Kawal. 
> On 17 Sep 2015, at 00:37, Michael Babcock  wrote:
> 
> OK, but what i’m asking is what bugs are you experiencing an IOS eight? If I 
> had A better clarification of the "bugs" you're experiencing, I could've that 
> you know if they are present in IOS nine or not.
> Michael Babcock
> Your Blind Digital Marketing Partner.
> @payown on periscope and twitter.
> http://yourownpay.com/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 16, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> I am not running iOS 9. The bugs are in iOS 8.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 16 Sep 2015, at 10:56 pm, Michael  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Could you be more specific about what bug you're talking about in mail? I 
>>> haven't observed any as of yet and been running iOS nine cents July.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 16, 2015, at 2:30 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 Hi.
 
 I don't know if anyone has got IOS9 on there I phone yet but if they have 
 and it's released, can someone tell me if the e-mail bug has been fixed 
 please?  Also, the bug where Voice Over did not focus properly on I cons, 
 is that fixed too please?  Please could someone tell me when El Capitan 
 will be released as I don't know.
 
 I hope my questions are allowed now meaning we can ask I phone questions 
 on here now.
 
 Thanks.
 
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Re: Peel-the-Apple.

[Scott Granados]

I’d just like to say that while it’s not always a bad thing to post other lists 
on a mailing list it’s sort of poaching to me, maybe I’m wrong.  Since Mark and 
the moderation team did the right thing though and adjusted the policy to fit 
the majority interest I’d ask can we stick with this list as is.  There’s no 
need to leave (unless you want to of course) and the issue was addressed 
promptly so maybe we can bring these threads to a close and press forward.

Just my unsolicited $.02

And Kawal, nobody would believe your peel the apple story.:) hahaha You had 
quite the adventure.

Thanks
Scott

> On Sep 17, 2015, at 11:13 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> I tried joining Peel-the-apple and they would not have me so I don't know 
> what joy anyone else would have on it as I think they selected their members 
> i.e. if they liked them, you were in and if not you were not.  Also at the 
> time I thought if you didn't contribute on a regular basis you were booted 
> off.  But may be people hated me as I know of a lot of people who hate me but 
> I don't know why as I have no clue what I do wrong for people to hate me like 
> this but they do.  To be honest I have have had a lot of hard time from a 
> member on this list.  If any of you knew, your hair would fall out and no lie 
> about it.
> 
> Kawal.
> On 17 Sep 2015, at 02:25, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
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Re: To Scott from Mark: Off-List: RE: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Oh, I didn't want it to come across as I was wishing to join because of 
anything Marc did or didn't do.  If it did come across that way, then my 
apology.  I was just wanting to subscribe so that I'd have another Apple 
resource under my toolbelt.  You know what I mean?

I do have Joseph's e-mail address, so I'll write him privately; that's 
certainly not a problem at all.

Chris.
- Original Message - 
  From: Shawn Krasniuk 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 9:25 PM
  Subject: Re: To Scott from Mark: Off-List: RE: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?


  To join Peel The Apple, send a blank email to 
peel-the-apple+subscr...@googlegroups.com. As for Blind Apples, you're on the 
iPhone list right? If so, do you know a guy named Joseph Hudson? Email him and 
he'll get you subscribed to his list. And Mac For The Blind is a FreeList 
mailing list so doing a google search should give you the subscribe link for 
their mailing list. In my opinion though, Mark has made everything right in the 
world now so we can stay put if we want right?


  Shawn
  Sent From My White MacBook
  Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
  Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
  Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
  Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com


On Sep 16, 2015, at 6:57 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:


Can you please give me the irk for these lists?

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 16, 2015, at 1:54 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:


  I'm gonna wait until Cara and Mark make their final judgements. I posted 
my opinions in another thread so I won't post them again, but I will say that 
if this list develops the strict rule that we can only talk about the Mac, then 
sorry to say, I'll be doing the same as others have and or will do and take my 
talents elsewhere. I'm subscribed to three other lists that let people talk 
about Mac and iPhone in one list, one list, Peel The Apple, has an off topic 
weekend where people can talk about anything, Windows, Android, even Jaws. The 
other two are Joseph Hudson's Blind Apples list and John P's Mac For The Blind 
list. So as you can see I have a lot of resources at my disposal. One more 
thing, the sad day will be when I do unsubscribe because I share Kawal's 
sentiments in that I've met a ton of awesome people and I even have some of you 
on Skype and social media. So it will be sad if I do unsubscribe because these 
past 5 years with you guys were awesome and to those of you that don't have me 
on Skype or social media, I'll miss you a lot.


  Shawn
  Sent From My White MacBook
  Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
  Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
  Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
  Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com


On Sep 15, 2015, at 4:54 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:


Hi,


I agree with you Scott.  This is not the sentiment of the list that I 
joined 10 years ago.  I will sign off of this one.  Can be more useful 
elsewhere.


Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada 


On Sep 15, 2015, at 12:15, Scott Granados  
wrote:


I thought the rest of the list would be interested in this response 
from Mark sent off list but I think he should have responded on list.


Obviously he has no interest in what we the users have requested.  Any 
idiot knows that the Apple environment is an ecosystem of devices and software 
as well as content.  The Mac is a part, the iPhone is a part, pad still 
another.  So instead of having one logical place to discuss the entire 
ecosystem your moderator wants to have super fragmentation and then stifle 
conversations that don’t deal with the Mac specifically.  We know the VIPhone 
list is over run with garbage messages and badly moderated.  As several stated 
they wanted a place here to discuss the entire Apple product line and also 
presented was this list predates any others and as such previously was a 
clearinghouse for all things Apple not just Mac.  I will of course comply by 
leaving the list as I have no interest in subscribing to yet more lists and I 
hope his power trip was satisfying.  Mark, your users don’t want this so why 
enforce something that doesn’t make sense and doesn’t meet the needs of the 
many users who have spoken up?


Enjoy!







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  From: "M. Taylor" 

  Subject: To Scott from Mark: Off-List: RE: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 
6S?

  Date: September 15, 2015 at 2:09:33 PM EDT

  To: 

  Reply-To: 



  Hello Scott,

  As stated in the subject, I am replying to you, off-list.  I would 
have appreciated the same courtesy.

  While I appreciate your sentiment on this, the bottom line is that 
this list is dedicated to Mac OSX products and services only.  

  So I ask you to please respect this policy and close this thread.

  Thank you,

  Mark

  From: macvisionaries@googleg

Re: IOS 9 impressions?

[Stacey Robinson]

Can I upgrade a 5S to IOS9?

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

> On Sep 17, 2015, at 7:41 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Anyone else install IOS 9 and what are your impressions?
> 
> I have it running now for less than 24 hours of course.  Battery drain seems 
> higher but I probably need a phone restart that usually clears battery 
> issues.  I like VO saying cap and the letter now instead of uppercase or 
> capitol, and the replacement for passbook seems easy to use.  Other than that 
> not to many impressions yet.  What are you all experiencing?
> 
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Re: IOS 9 impressions?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

A friend of mine said there was a bug on IOS9 where if you put headphones in to 
make a call then took them out, Voice Over would die.  She said some phones did 
that and others didn't so I don't know if I should hold off.  Should I put it 
on that is the question as I'm getting the next I phone 6S plus so I am 
pondering!

Thanks Scott for remarking on my adventure it was crazy wasn't it but no 
worries, I was just saying.

Kawal.
On 17 Sep 2015, at 13:41, Scott Granados  wrote:

Anyone else install IOS 9 and what are your impressions?

I have it running now for less than 24 hours of course.  Battery drain seems 
higher but I probably need a phone restart that usually clears battery issues.  
I like VO saying cap and the letter now instead of uppercase or capitol, and 
the replacement for passbook seems easy to use.  Other than that not to many 
impressions yet.  What are you all experiencing?


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No Apple Watch update.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I was looking to see if there was a new watch software update and reset my 
watch and everything.  When I found none, I called Apple Technical Support and 
they told me that the new update will come some time before the end of the year 
as there is a serious bug in the new apple update.

Kawal.

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Re: IOS 9 impressions?

[Kaare Dehard]

Yes you can upgrade from 4s and up. Some features may not be available such as 
3d touch but I have just done a 5c. The time of reboot was somewhat extended 
however and took me about half an hour.
> On Sep 17, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
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> Can I upgrade a 5S to IOS9?
> 
> Blessings,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>   
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 7:41 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone else install IOS 9 and what are your impressions?
>> 
>> I have it running now for less than 24 hours of course.  Battery drain seems 
>> higher but I probably need a phone restart that usually clears battery 
>> issues.  I like VO saying cap and the letter now instead of uppercase or 
>> capitol, and the replacement for passbook seems easy to use.  Other than 
>> that not to many impressions yet.  What are you all experiencing?
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Re: weird problem with App store

[Donna Goodin]

Well, when I woke up this morning, the problem had resolved itself.  So for 
now, I guess I'll never know.  If it happens again, though, I'll try your 
suggestion.
Take care,
Donna
> On Sep 17, 2015, at 7:19 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Go through your apps page by page and see if any are stuck on downloading or 
> downloading paused, something like that.  If so, double tap the specific app 
> to restore.  This has happened to me, not sure if it’s your exact issue but 
> worth a shot.
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
>> On Sep 16, 2015, at 7:10 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm having a weird app store issue on my phone.  My phone says I have two 
>> updates available.  When I go into the app store, I see the two updates, but 
>> rather than reading Update, it says open the App.  And the Update All button 
>> is dimmed.  I've tried signing out and back in,powering my phone on and off, 
>> but nothing seems to change.  Has anyone seen this?  Does anyone have a 
>> solution?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: E-mail bug on IOS.

[David Chittenden]

The delete button bug appears to be fixed.

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Sent from my iPhone

> On 18 Sep 2015, at 03:08, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hello Michael.
> 
> I thought I had explained that in one of my previous messages some time ago.  
> If not, then I apologise.
> 
> So here goes again.
> 
> If in IOS8, you opened your mailbox, you could not always focus on every 
> message.  Also when in a body of a message, you could find the delete button 
> and Voice Over would land on the reply button instead.
> 
> Another bug I found in IOS8 was for instance:
> 
> 1. Open settings.
> 
> 2. flick right and pretend you were looking for phone.
> 
> 3.  You'd pass reminders and suddenly Voice Over would say apple pay or 
> compass.  You'd flick left and you'd notice that it had missed, face time, 
> messages and phone.
> 
> I hope this clarifies.
> 
> Kawal. 
> On 17 Sep 2015, at 00:37, Michael Babcock  wrote:
> 
> OK, but what i’m asking is what bugs are you experiencing an IOS eight? If I 
> had A better clarification of the "bugs" you're experiencing, I could've that 
> you know if they are present in IOS nine or not.
> Michael Babcock
> Your Blind Digital Marketing Partner.
> @payown on periscope and twitter.
> http://yourownpay.com/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 16, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> I am not running iOS 9. The bugs are in iOS 8.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 16 Sep 2015, at 10:56 pm, Michael  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Could you be more specific about what bug you're talking about in mail? I 
>>> haven't observed any as of yet and been running iOS nine cents July.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 16, 2015, at 2:30 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 Hi.
 
 I don't know if anyone has got IOS9 on there I phone yet but if they have 
 and it's released, can someone tell me if the e-mail bug has been fixed 
 please?  Also, the bug where Voice Over did not focus properly on I cons, 
 is that fixed too please?  Please could someone tell me when El Capitan 
 will be released as I don't know.
 
 I hope my questions are allowed now meaning we can ask I phone questions 
 on here now.
 
 Thanks.
 
 Kawal.
 
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Re: No Apple Watch update.

[Donna Goodin]

thanks for passing that along, Kawal.  I was wondering what was up.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Sep 17, 2015, at 11:50 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I was looking to see if there was a new watch software update and reset my 
> watch and everything.  When I found none, I called Apple Technical Support 
> and they told me that the new update will come some time before the end of 
> the year as there is a serious bug in the new apple update.
> 
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Re: question regarding Night Owl

[Pablo Sandoval]

L will open links, and I believe it’s the letter e to open pictures.

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 12:43 PM, May McDonald  wrote:
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> Nope, I've never gotten one to open if it was a picture. I guess it depends 
> on how they link the picture. 
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 12:44 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Even if it's a picture, it should open, actually.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "May McDonald" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 12:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: question regarding Night Owl
>> 
>> 
>> Press the letter l and if it is a link and not a picture it will open.
>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 12:15 PM, Laura Bratton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> I use the Night Owl app for Twitter. How do I click on a link that someone 
>>> has posted in their twitter post? When I am in the table going through all 
>>> of the most recent post and want to go to a link that someone has provided, 
>>> I cannot figure out how to do this. So any help would be great!
>>> Thank you,
>>> laura
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Re: IOS 9 impressions?

[venky . 92]

Hi,
I have been wrunning  it on my iPhone 6 since release. From what I've noticed, 
my phone seems to be more responsive and battery drains seem to be slightly 
less.
Hey Siri seems to be working good with recognition. however, I have to test how 
well it can differentiate my voice. I did not have any amazing suggestions with 
Siri so far. From what I've read Siri suggestions can be accessed double 
tapping the home screen or on the lock screen. Has anybody been able to access 
that? And one more small thing that might help, if battery drain is heigh, go 
to settings, battery. Choose an option that says show detailed usage. You will 
find a lot of interesting battery stats their. I think it's a pretty good 
upgrade focusing on stability. I'm curious to see how Siri suggestion can get 
relevant.
Thanks and regards,
Venkatesh 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 17-Sep-2015, at 6:11 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Anyone else install IOS 9 and what are your impressions?
> 
> I have it running now for less than 24 hours of course.  Battery drain seems 
> higher but I probably need a phone restart that usually clears battery 
> issues.  I like VO saying cap and the letter now instead of uppercase or 
> capitol, and the replacement for passbook seems easy to use.  Other than that 
> not to many impressions yet.  What are you all experiencing?
> 
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Re: annoying quicknav problem in osx 10.10 and 10.11

[Christina C.]

I also cannot type in text fields when quick nav is on. I believe in the 
voiceOver Utility under commanders/quick nav, there is a check box that says 
"Enable single-key webpage navigation when using Quick Nav.” You can try 
unchecking this if you do not like to use single key navigation. This feature 
is probably what does not allow you to type in text fields on webpages. I use 
single key navigation a ton so I leave this option on.

Good Luck,
Christina

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RE: IOS 9 impressions?

[Junior Lolley KG4ITD]

Stacey, I upgraded my iPhone 5 to  IOS 9.


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On Behalf Of Stacey Robinson
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 12:46 PM
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Subject: Re: IOS 9 impressions?

Can I upgrade a 5S to IOS9?

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

> On Sep 17, 2015, at 7:41 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Anyone else install IOS 9 and what are your impressions?
> 
> I have it running now for less than 24 hours of course.  Battery drain seems 
> higher but I probably need a phone restart that usually clears battery 
> issues.  I like VO saying cap and the letter now instead of uppercase or 
> capitol, and the replacement for passbook seems easy to use.  Other than that 
> not to many impressions yet.  What are you all experiencing?
> 
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Re: IOS 9 impressions?

[Stacey Robinson]

Thanks Junior,
That is what I needed to know.

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

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> On Sep 17, 2015, at 12:09 PM, Junior Lolley KG4ITD  
> wrote:
> 
> Stacey, I upgraded my iPhone 5 to  IOS 9.
> 
> 
> Junior Lolley kg4itd
> Liberty County Emergency Coordinator
> "The 3 C’s of life: choices, chances, and changes. You must make a choice to 
> take a chance or your life will never change."
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Stacey Robinson
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 12:46 PM
> To: Macvisionaries
> Subject: Re: IOS 9 impressions?
> 
> Can I upgrade a 5S to IOS9?
> 
> Blessings,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>   
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 7:41 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone else install IOS 9 and what are your impressions?
>> 
>> I have it running now for less than 24 hours of course.  Battery drain seems 
>> higher but I probably need a phone restart that usually clears battery 
>> issues.  I like VO saying cap and the letter now instead of uppercase or 
>> capitol, and the replacement for passbook seems easy to use.  Other than 
>> that not to many impressions yet.  What are you all experiencing?
>> 
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Re: IOS 9 impressions?

[Terje Strømberg]

How well does siri as voiceover voice work?

Take care

17. sep. 2015 kl. 18:51 skrev Kaare Dehard :

Yes you can upgrade from 4s and up. Some features may not be available such as 
3d touch but I have just done a 5c. The time of reboot was somewhat extended 
however and took me about half an hour.
> On Sep 17, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
> Can I upgrade a 5S to IOS9?
> 
> Blessings,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>   
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 7:41 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone else install IOS 9 and what are your impressions?
>> 
>> I have it running now for less than 24 hours of course.  Battery drain seems 
>> higher but I probably need a phone restart that usually clears battery 
>> issues.  I like VO saying cap and the letter now instead of uppercase or 
>> capitol, and the replacement for passbook seems easy to use.  Other than 
>> that not to many impressions yet.  What are you all experiencing?
>> 
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Fw: IOS 9 impressions?

[Eileen Scrivani]

When I updated my IPhone 6 yesterday, the one thing I noticed after the phone 
restarted was that I was unable to put caps lock (shift-lock) with a triple tap 
on when entering my passcode on the re-start.  Its a small thing, but annoying. 
I had to hit the shift key every time I wantted a cap. I’m not sure yet if it 
was a one-time problem that was a querk or if its going to present itself again.

Eileen

not PUT

From: venky...@gmail.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 12:55 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: IOS 9 impressions?

Hi,
I have been wrunning  it on my iPhone 6 since release. From what I've noticed, 
my phone seems to be more responsive and battery drains seem to be slightly 
less.
Hey Siri seems to be working good with recognition. however, I have to test how 
well it can differentiate my voice. I did not have any amazing suggestions with 
Siri so far. From what I've read Siri suggestions can be accessed double 
tapping the home screen or on the lock screen. Has anybody been able to access 
that? And one more small thing that might help, if battery drain is heigh, go 
to settings, battery. Choose an option that says show detailed usage. You will 
find a lot of interesting battery stats their. I think it's a pretty good 
upgrade focusing on stability. I'm curious to see how Siri suggestion can get 
relevant.
Thanks and regards,
Venkatesh 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 17-Sep-2015, at 6:11 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Anyone else install IOS 9 and what are your impressions?
> 
> I have it running now for less than 24 hours of course.  Battery drain seems 
> higher but I probably need a phone restart that usually clears battery 
> issues.  I like VO saying cap and the letter now instead of uppercase or 
> capitol, and the replacement for passbook seems easy to use.  Other than that 
> not to many impressions yet.  What are you all experiencing?
> 
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Re: Question about links in mail

[gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net]

Question: Do I need to press VO-Cmd-l to get to the link if I am already 
standing on the link? The message contains text and some links. I stand on 
the link I want to activate, but when I press vo space bar nothing happens.

I wonder what I'm doing wrong.


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-Original Message- 
From: Anne Robertson

Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 10:51 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about links in mail

Hello Rena,

You need to press VO-Cmd-l to get to the link and then VO-Space to activate 
the link which will open Safari. VO-l just reads the line.


Cheers,

Anne


On 17 Sep 2015, at 16:42, gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net 
 wrote:


Perhaps I don't know how to explain correctly. I want to activate a link 
in order to open a page in safari and fill out a form. I open the message, 
I stand exactly on the link, I press enter and nothing, vo space bar and 
nothing, vo l and nothing either. In windows I just press enter on a link 
to activate it. How can I do the same here?



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-Original Message- From: Aleeha Dudley
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 8:59 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about links in mail

Press VO command L until you hear the link you need. Then press VO space.

Sent from my iPhone

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Hello,

What is the command to activate a link in mail? I can open the message 
and read it. I want to click on a link to open a safari page, but I don't 
know how. I press enter and also vo space bar, but nothing.

Thank you,
Rena




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How To Downgrade iOS 9.1 Public Beta to to Current iOS 9.0 Release Without Losing Any Data

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

I am delighted to inform you that I just successfully downgraded two iPhones
(a 5 S and a Six Plus) from iOS beta 9.1 back to the currently released iOS
9.0 via iTunes without losing any data or without having to first restore
the phones back to their factory defaults.  It appears as though Apple has
built a new function into the latest version of iTunes that makes this
process simple and painless.  

What a wonderful surprise and convenience for those of us who want to beta
test Apple software while having access to the latest release which, in many
cases, is one version prior to the current beta without having to reset
everything.

The following article, from 9 to 5 Mac, gives the general steps in order to
downgrade, however, the article was written before Apple added this new
functionality into iTunes.  There for, I have modified step 5, reflecting
the new available option.

Just so you know, you must use the latest version of iTunes, which, as of
this post, is v12.3, on a computer in order to perform a non-destructive
downgrade to an earlier, non-beta version of iOS.

Remember, this is for those of us who were running iOS beta 9.1 who want to
downgrade our devices to the currently released and more stable version of
iOS 9.0 without first having to erase the phone.

The link to the original article is located at the end of the text.

Good Luck and Enjoy,

Mark

How To Downgrade iOS 9.1 Public Beta to to Current iOS 9.0 Release Without
Losing Any Data

iOS 9 marked the first major version of the iPhone and iPad software that
Apple opened up for public beta testing after a similar trial run with iOS
8.3 last year. As many users have noticed, Apple's public beta program is
continuing with the upcoming iOS 9.1 release available as an OTA
(over-the-air) update for non-developer testers, but many users will surely
want to hop off the beta train and onto the stable release cycle with
today's iOS 9.0 release.

Several readers have already asked about downgrading from the iOS 9.1 public
beta to today's iOS 9.0 release, and while it's possible it does come at a
cost: potentially losing some important data. If moving from iOS 9.1 public
or even dev beta to today's official iOS 9.0 release is worth it for you,
read on for a detailed guide for doing just that. 

Step 1.
Ensure iCloud Is Backing Up and Syncing

While there doesn't seem to be an official path from iOS 9.1 public beta to
today's iOS 9.0 release that keeps all of your data intact, iCloud is mostly
version-agnostic in that it usually syncs and backs up important data like
contacts and notes for use on older versions of iOS. Using the iOS device
that you plan to downgrade, go to the Settings app then iCloud pane to
ensure important information like Contacts, Reminders, and Notes are all
toggled on if you plan on keeping this information.

  Likely due to privacy concerns, Apple has not enabled syncing data from
the Health and Activity apps through iCloud so expect to lose this
information if downgrading. Backing up to iCloud does preserve Health and
Activity, but you won't be able to restore to iOS 9.0 using your iOS 9.1
backup unfortunately. Still, I recommend creating a full iCloud backup just
in case you have second thoughts after moving down to iOS 9.0 and want to
recover your data with iOS 9.1. While connected to power and on a Wi-Fi
Internet connection, go to Settings > iCloud > Backup and ensure iCloud
Backup is toggled on. Then tap Back Up Now to begin a full backup to iCloud.

Step 2.
Disable Find My iPhone/iPad/iPod touch

While you're in Settings > iCloud, you'll want to disable Activation Lock in
iOS 9.1 to save some time when restoring to iOS 9.0. Do this by going to
Settings > iCloud > Find My iPhone/iPad/iPod touch (depending on which
device you're using) and toggling off Find My iPhone/iPad/iPod touch which
should prompt you for your Apple ID and password used for iCloud.

Note: this may differ from your App Store password if you use a separate
account for iCloud and purchases.

Step 3.
Backup Purchases and Data to iTunes

Now that we have a few safety nets in place, it's time to connect your iOS
device to iTunes on your Mac or PC using your charging cable and put up a
few more before downgrading from iOS 9.1 to iOS 9.0. After plugging in your
iOS device, you may have to give your computer and device permission to
"trust" each other, then click the icon in the top left corner of iTunes for
managing your device.

>From here you can create a local backup to iTunes and transfer any purchases
not already saved to your computer. Even if your device is set to backup to
iCloud, you can still choose to do a manual backup here. If you opt to
encrypt your backup and protect that file with a password, most passwords
from iOS will remain intact if you decide to restore to your iOS 9.1 backup
in the future.

This process may take several minutes, especially if you opt to transfer any
purchases from your iOS device to your Mac or PC usi

Re: IOS 9 impressions?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Absolutely you can!  I did it with mine, and it worked flawlessly.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Stacey Robinson" 

To: "Macvisionaries" 
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: IOS 9 impressions?


Can I upgrade a 5S to IOS9?

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

On Sep 17, 2015, at 7:41 AM, Scott Granados  
wrote:


Anyone else install IOS 9 and what are your impressions?

I have it running now for less than 24 hours of course.  Battery drain 
seems higher but I probably need a phone restart that usually clears 
battery issues.  I like VO saying cap and the letter now instead of 
uppercase or capitol, and the replacement for passbook seems easy to use. 
Other than that not to many impressions yet.  What are you all 
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Re: IOS 9 impressions?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

You know,

Now that you mention Siri, has anyone noticed that when connected to 
bluetooth, then you invoke Siri, half of the time, not only does it not hear 
you, but it times out about a half a second to a second, at most, after 
dingging to tell you to begin speaking?  This isn't happening at all, unless 
I have a bluetooth audio device connected.  I'm seeing it mostly in my 
grandmother's car, although it does happen somewhat commonly on my 
Aftershokz Bluez as well.


Totally bizarre.

Chris.

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From: 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: IOS 9 impressions?


Hi,
I have been wrunning  it on my iPhone 6 since release. From what I've 
noticed, my phone seems to be more responsive and battery drains seem to be 
slightly less.
Hey Siri seems to be working good with recognition. however, I have to test 
how well it can differentiate my voice. I did not have any amazing 
suggestions with Siri so far. From what I've read Siri suggestions can be 
accessed double tapping the home screen or on the lock screen. Has anybody 
been able to access that? And one more small thing that might help, if 
battery drain is heigh, go to settings, battery. Choose an option that says 
show detailed usage. You will find a lot of interesting battery stats their. 
I think it's a pretty good upgrade focusing on stability. I'm curious to see 
how Siri suggestion can get relevant.

Thanks and regards,
Venkatesh

Sent from my iPhone

On 17-Sep-2015, at 6:11 PM, Scott Granados  
wrote:


Anyone else install IOS 9 and what are your impressions?

I have it running now for less than 24 hours of course.  Battery drain 
seems higher but I probably need a phone restart that usually clears 
battery issues.  I like VO saying cap and the letter now instead of 
uppercase or capitol, and the replacement for passbook seems easy to use. 
Other than that not to many impressions yet.  What are you all 
experiencing?



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Re: No Apple Watch update.

[Scott Granados]

They announced this on the business news yesterday.  Wonder what kind of bug it 
was that was only found on release day.  Stuff like this and other recent 
events makes me wonder about QA under Tim Cook.
> On Sep 17, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> thanks for passing that along, Kawal.  I was wondering what was up.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 11:50 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> I was looking to see if there was a new watch software update and reset my 
>> watch and everything.  When I found none, I called Apple Technical Support 
>> and they told me that the new update will come some time before the end of 
>> the year as there is a serious bug in the new apple update.
>> 
>> Kawal.
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Re: IOS 9 impressions?

[Scott Granados]

Absolutely, everything iPhone 4S and later should work.

> On Sep 17, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
> Can I upgrade a 5S to IOS9?
> 
> Blessings,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>   
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 7:41 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone else install IOS 9 and what are your impressions?
>> 
>> I have it running now for less than 24 hours of course.  Battery drain seems 
>> higher but I probably need a phone restart that usually clears battery 
>> issues.  I like VO saying cap and the letter now instead of uppercase or 
>> capitol, and the replacement for passbook seems easy to use.  Other than 
>> that not to many impressions yet.  What are you all experiencing?
>> 
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Split screen?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Guys,

Now that I O S 9 is officially released, we can openly discuss it.  I therefore 
have a question, in hopes that someone may be able to assist.

I have an original IPad Air.  Not the 2, just the regular 1st generation Air.

I have been a part of the beta cycle for quite some time, but during the 
private and the public betas, I confess this isn't something I normally really 
experimented with.  Anyway, enough chatter.  My question is, do any of you all 
know how, with Voiceover, to do the split screen feature which was added to I O 
S 9?

Chris.

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Re: weird problem with App store

[Scott Granados]

You know what it could have been is some sort of lag from the flood of upgrades 
yesterday?  Remember that over 11% of the iPhones out there updated yesterday 
which is a massive number.

> On Sep 17, 2015, at 12:51 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Well, when I woke up this morning, the problem had resolved itself.  So for 
> now, I guess I'll never know.  If it happens again, though, I'll try your 
> suggestion.
> Take care,
> Donna
>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 7:19 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Go through your apps page by page and see if any are stuck on downloading or 
>> downloading paused, something like that.  If so, double tap the specific app 
>> to restore.  This has happened to me, not sure if it’s your exact issue but 
>> worth a shot.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2015, at 7:10 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I'm having a weird app store issue on my phone.  My phone says I have two 
>>> updates available.  When I go into the app store, I see the two updates, 
>>> but rather than reading Update, it says open the App.  And the Update All 
>>> button is dimmed.  I've tried signing out and back in,powering my phone on 
>>> and off, but nothing seems to change.  Has anyone seen this?  Does anyone 
>>> have a solution?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: IOS 9 impressions?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

What do you mean?

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Terje Strømberg" 

To: 
Cc: "Terje Strømberg" 
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: IOS 9 impressions?


How well does siri as voiceover voice work?

Take care

17. sep. 2015 kl. 18:51 skrev Kaare Dehard :

Yes you can upgrade from 4s and up. Some features may not be available such 
as 3d touch but I have just done a 5c. The time of reboot was somewhat 
extended however and took me about half an hour.
On Sep 17, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Stacey Robinson  
wrote:


Can I upgrade a 5S to IOS9?

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

On Sep 17, 2015, at 7:41 AM, Scott Granados  
wrote:


Anyone else install IOS 9 and what are your impressions?

I have it running now for less than 24 hours of course.  Battery drain 
seems higher but I probably need a phone restart that usually clears 
battery issues.  I like VO saying cap and the letter now instead of 
uppercase or capitol, and the replacement for passbook seems easy to use. 
Other than that not to many impressions yet.  What are you all 
experiencing?



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Re: IOS 9 impressions?

[Scott Granados]

I haven’t run in to this one yet.  Doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist just means I 
haven’t experienced it yet.

I’d say go for it.  Your 6s+ probably comes with 9 already installed.


> On Sep 17, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> A friend of mine said there was a bug on IOS9 where if you put headphones in 
> to make a call then took them out, Voice Over would die.  She said some 
> phones did that and others didn't so I don't know if I should hold off.  
> Should I put it on that is the question as I'm getting the next I phone 6S 
> plus so I am pondering!
> 
> Thanks Scott for remarking on my adventure it was crazy wasn't it but no 
> worries, I was just saying.
> 
> Kawal.
> On 17 Sep 2015, at 13:41, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Anyone else install IOS 9 and what are your impressions?
> 
> I have it running now for less than 24 hours of course.  Battery drain seems 
> higher but I probably need a phone restart that usually clears battery 
> issues.  I like VO saying cap and the letter now instead of uppercase or 
> capitol, and the replacement for passbook seems easy to use.  Other than that 
> not to many impressions yet.  What are you all experiencing?
> 
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Re: E-mail bug on IOS.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I too agree, never in 8, 9 beta, nor 9 official ever have I seen those 
things.


Seems like you probably needed a phone restore or something.

Chris.

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To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: E-mail bug on IOS.


Wow I never saw these bugs on my iPhone 6+.  I read a lot of mail though I 
don’t respond much from the phone so that could be why.



On Sep 17, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

Hello Michael.

I thought I had explained that in one of my previous messages some time 
ago.  If not, then I apologise.


So here goes again.

If in IOS8, you opened your mailbox, you could not always focus on every 
message.  Also when in a body of a message, you could find the delete 
button and Voice Over would land on the reply button instead.


Another bug I found in IOS8 was for instance:

1. Open settings.

2. flick right and pretend you were looking for phone.

3.  You'd pass reminders and suddenly Voice Over would say apple pay or 
compass.  You'd flick left and you'd notice that it had missed, face time, 
messages and phone.


I hope this clarifies.

Kawal.
On 17 Sep 2015, at 00:37, Michael Babcock  wrote:

OK, but what i’m asking is what bugs are you experiencing an IOS eight? If 
I had A better clarification of the "bugs" you're experiencing, I could've 
that you know if they are present in IOS nine or not.

Michael Babcock
Your Blind Digital Marketing Partner.
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On Sep 16, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

I am not running iOS 9. The bugs are in iOS 8.




On 16 Sep 2015, at 10:56 pm, Michael  wrote:

Could you be more specific about what bug you're talking about in mail? 
I haven't observed any as of yet and been running iOS nine cents July.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 16, 2015, at 2:30 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  
wrote:


Hi.

I don't know if anyone has got IOS9 on there I phone yet but if they 
have and it's released, can someone tell me if the e-mail bug has been 
fixed please?  Also, the bug where Voice Over did not focus properly on 
I cons, is that fixed too please?  Please could someone tell me when El 
Capitan will be released as I don't know.


I hope my questions are allowed now meaning we can ask I phone 
questions on here now.


Thanks.

Kawal.

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Re: IOS 9 impressions?

[Jessica Moss]

I don't see why not, I upgraded my 5C and it works fine, used the siri male 
voice as a voiceover voice which at times runs a little slow, and having a hard 
time getting to the new layout of the app switcher, but other than that, I 
think I'm starting to like it.
On Sep 17, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:

> Can I upgrade a 5S to IOS9?
> 
> Blessings,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>   
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 7:41 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone else install IOS 9 and what are your impressions?
>> 
>> I have it running now for less than 24 hours of course.  Battery drain seems 
>> higher but I probably need a phone restart that usually clears battery 
>> issues.  I like VO saying cap and the letter now instead of uppercase or 
>> capitol, and the replacement for passbook seems easy to use.  Other than 
>> that not to many impressions yet.  What are you all experiencing?
>> 
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Re: IOS 9 impressions?

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi everyone, I've written about 28000 words on iOS 9 in my book released 
yesterday, but I did want to comment on some bugs, in case people haven't 
upgraded yet and are wondering if there might be any pitfalls in doing so.
I am enthusiastic about iOS 9. It is significantly more responsive than its 
predecessor, and there are many new features that I'm sure you'll enjoy. 
Unfortunately, there are also some VoiceOver bugs in iOS 9 that range from 
minor annoyances to potentially critical, depending on how you use your device 
and whether you find yourself affected. Here are just a few that you might like 
to take into consideration before deciding whether to wait for a bug fix 
release before installing iOS 9. Remember that a few days following iOS 9's 
release, it will not be possible to downgrade again, so you should consider the 
upgrade to iOS 9 a one-way trip, and proceed with caution if anything below 
concerns you.
1. Audio routing bug. This is potentially the most significant accessibility 
bug I can recall ever to slip through an iOS release, due to the number of 
people who may be affected. Not everyone will be, and at present, even after 
extensive testing with a range of people owning different devices, I have no 
information about why it affects some users, but not others. It is not device 
specific, for example it is happening to me on my iPhone 6 Plus, but I know 
iPhone 6 Plus users where the problem isn't so severe. Nor does it seem to be 
affected by any setting. If you're lucky, it won't happen to you, but the only 
way I am aware of to determine this is to upgrade.
This bug may affect you when you have earbuds or headphones connected to the 
headphone socket of your iPhone. The primary way the audio routing bug 
manifests itself is when you receive an incoming phone or FaceTime call. You 
can usually hear if you're going to be affected by the bug because your 
ring-tone will fade in and out, rather like the way VOiceOver causes system 
audio to fade in and out when audio ducking is enabled. At this point, if you 
press the power button to silence the ringer and then flick through the screen, 
you will find that not only has VOiceOver become unresponsive, but the entire 
phone has as well.
If you don't press the power button while the phone is ringing, but instead opt 
to flick through the iPHone's screen to locate the Answer button or review 
caller ID information, VoiceOver may not speak at all.
Finally, if you attempt to answer the incoming call with a two-finger 
double-tap, you may not be able to, since VoiceOver has effectively locked up.
The bottom line is that if you have earbuds connected, you may not be able to 
answer a call.
Some people have also reported similar problems answering calls when their 
phone is set to silent.
If you rely on your phone for business or safety, this could be a deal breaker 
in terms of upgrading at this point.
What makes this bug so fascinating is that not only is it completely absent for 
some people, but of those who experience it, not all symptoms are present for 
all users. For example, some people experience the issues I have described when 
they press the power button to mute the ringer, but not when the phone is 
ringing. Others can answer a call by pressing the button on their EarPods, 
while others cannot.
If you upgrade and are affected by this, here are a few things to try.
(A) If you have the more moderate version of this bug, avoid pressing the power 
button when you receive an incoming call.
(B) Turning off audio ducking seems to help a little for some users.
(C) If you can't answer a call with a two-finger double-tap, try pressing the 
button on your EarPods or similar device if you have such a device connected.
(D) If all else fails, you can disconnect any device from the headphone jack, 
answer the call with a two-finger double-tap, then reconnect the device to the 
headphone jack.
(E) Given the critical nature of this bug, if you've upgraded and now find 
yourself afflicted by it, enrol in the iOS beta program so you can receive 
early copies of any fixes Apple is working on. But keep in mind that since you 
will be running beta software, you may well be swapping one set of bugs for 
another.
2. Bluetooth keyboard support unreliable. Sometimes, users may input double 
letters when typing. This is a bug that was introduced in the iOS 8 cycle, and 
can easily be worked around by toggling VoiceOver off and on.
However, a new bug now exists where at times, no text is entered into a field 
at all when VO is active. Toggling VO doesn't help, nor does switching the 
keyboard off and on. The only immediate remedy is to turn Vo off, and keep 
typing without it. If you turn VO back on again, the arrow keys don't work when 
you're trying to navigate your text, and you can't edit it.
3. In the Today view of Notification Center, VO frequently restarts itself when 
flicking through your widgets, and sometimes the phone locks up entirely.
4. It's

Re: IOS 9 impressions?

[Jessica Moss]

I haven't used it long, but for the most part like it a lot, I'm debating over 
whether or not I want to continue using the male siri voice as a voiceover 
voice, considering the fact that it sometimes can run a little slow, but other 
than that, it seems to be really snappy.
On Sep 17, 2015, at 8:41 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:

> Anyone else install IOS 9 and what are your impressions?
> 
> I have it running now for less than 24 hours of course.  Battery drain seems 
> higher but I probably need a phone restart that usually clears battery 
> issues.  I like VO saying cap and the letter now instead of uppercase or 
> capitol, and the replacement for passbook seems easy to use.  Other than that 
> not to many impressions yet.  What are you all experiencing?
> 
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Re: IOS 9 impressions?

[Jessica Moss]

I haven't noticed that actually.
On Sep 17, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> A friend of mine said there was a bug on IOS9 where if you put headphones in 
> to make a call then took them out, Voice Over would die.  She said some 
> phones did that and others didn't so I don't know if I should hold off.  
> Should I put it on that is the question as I'm getting the next I phone 6S 
> plus so I am pondering!
> 
> Thanks Scott for remarking on my adventure it was crazy wasn't it but no 
> worries, I was just saying.
> 
> Kawal.
> On 17 Sep 2015, at 13:41, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Anyone else install IOS 9 and what are your impressions?
> 
> I have it running now for less than 24 hours of course.  Battery drain seems 
> higher but I probably need a phone restart that usually clears battery 
> issues.  I like VO saying cap and the letter now instead of uppercase or 
> capitol, and the replacement for passbook seems easy to use.  Other than that 
> not to many impressions yet.  What are you all experiencing?
> 
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Re: No Apple Watch update.

[Donna Goodin]

It does seem like a bug that major would have been discovered earlier.
> On Sep 17, 2015, at 12:22 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> They announced this on the business news yesterday.  Wonder what kind of bug 
> it was that was only found on release day.  Stuff like this and other recent 
> events makes me wonder about QA under Tim Cook.
>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> thanks for passing that along, Kawal.  I was wondering what was up.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 11:50 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I was looking to see if there was a new watch software update and reset my 
>>> watch and everything.  When I found none, I called Apple Technical Support 
>>> and they told me that the new update will come some time before the end of 
>>> the year as there is a serious bug in the new apple update.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
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Re: weird problem with App store

[Donna Goodin]

Nah, it's actually been like that for about five days.  Good guess, though, 
that would have made sense.
> On Sep 17, 2015, at 12:23 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> You know what it could have been is some sort of lag from the flood of 
> upgrades yesterday?  Remember that over 11% of the iPhones out there updated 
> yesterday which is a massive number.
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 12:51 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, when I woke up this morning, the problem had resolved itself.  So for 
>> now, I guess I'll never know.  If it happens again, though, I'll try your 
>> suggestion.
>> Take care,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 7:19 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Go through your apps page by page and see if any are stuck on downloading 
>>> or downloading paused, something like that.  If so, double tap the specific 
>>> app to restore.  This has happened to me, not sure if it’s your exact issue 
>>> but worth a shot.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Scott
>>> 
 On Sep 16, 2015, at 7:10 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I'm having a weird app store issue on my phone.  My phone says I have two 
 updates available.  When I go into the app store, I see the two updates, 
 but rather than reading Update, it says open the App.  And the Update All 
 button is dimmed.  I've tried signing out and back in,powering my phone on 
 and off, but nothing seems to change.  Has anyone seen this?  Does anyone 
 have a solution?
 TIA,
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Force Touch on Macbook Pro with VoiceOver

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi all, I just took possession of my new Macbook Pro yesterday. I usually give 
myself a lot of time to customise a new computer to behave just how I want, but 
I had things working incredibly quickly. Thanks to Setup Assistant, I set up 
using a Time Machine backup of my Macbook Air, then I copied my virtual machine 
across from my NAS, which I don't have as part of the Time Machine backup.
So within about 90 minutes, I had all my apps, my settings, Windows and all the 
software I use there, JAWS, and everything set up. Now that, is very slick.
My question relates to the force touch trackpad in my new Macbook Pro. It's 
really remarkable. When the laptop is switched off, you can feel it for what it 
really is, a flat surface that doesn't give at all when you press it. But when 
the machine is on, the haptic technology really makes it feel like you're 
clicking. Makes me look forward to 3D touch on my 6s Plus next week.
Has anyone found a use for the force touch gestures, such as a deep press, with 
VO? I take it VO can't yet differentiate between a deep press and a standard 
tap?
Jonathan Mosen
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Re: E-mail bug on IOS.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

No Chris.

It didn't matter if I restored the phone or updated to 8.2 or 3 or 5, the bug 
has always been there.

Kawal.
On 17 Sep 2015, at 19:31, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

I too agree, never in 8, 9 beta, nor 9 official ever have I seen those things.

Seems like you probably needed a phone restore or something.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 
To: 
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Subject: Re: E-mail bug on IOS.


Wow I never saw these bugs on my iPhone 6+.  I read a lot of mail though I 
don’t respond much from the phone so that could be why.

> On Sep 17, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hello Michael.
> 
> I thought I had explained that in one of my previous messages some time ago.  
> If not, then I apologise.
> 
> So here goes again.
> 
> If in IOS8, you opened your mailbox, you could not always focus on every 
> message.  Also when in a body of a message, you could find the delete button 
> and Voice Over would land on the reply button instead.
> 
> Another bug I found in IOS8 was for instance:
> 
> 1. Open settings.
> 
> 2. flick right and pretend you were looking for phone.
> 
> 3.  You'd pass reminders and suddenly Voice Over would say apple pay or 
> compass.  You'd flick left and you'd notice that it had missed, face time, 
> messages and phone.
> 
> I hope this clarifies.
> 
> Kawal.
> On 17 Sep 2015, at 00:37, Michael Babcock  wrote:
> 
> OK, but what i’m asking is what bugs are you experiencing an IOS eight? If I 
> had A better clarification of the "bugs" you're experiencing, I could've that 
> you know if they are present in IOS nine or not.
> Michael Babcock
> Your Blind Digital Marketing Partner.
> @payown on periscope and twitter.
> http://yourownpay.com/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 16, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> I am not running iOS 9. The bugs are in iOS 8.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 16 Sep 2015, at 10:56 pm, Michael  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Could you be more specific about what bug you're talking about in mail? I 
>>> haven't observed any as of yet and been running iOS nine cents July.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 16, 2015, at 2:30 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 Hi.
 
 I don't know if anyone has got IOS9 on there I phone yet but if they have 
 and it's released, can someone tell me if the e-mail bug has been fixed 
 please?  Also, the bug where Voice Over did not focus properly on I cons, 
 is that fixed too please?  Please could someone tell me when El Capitan 
 will be released as I don't know.
 
 I hope my questions are allowed now meaning we can ask I phone questions 
 on here now.
 
 Thanks.
 
 Kawal.
 
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Re: To Scott from Mark: Off-List: RE: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Yeah Chris I know what you mean. It's good to have multiple resources out there 
to turn to. I'm subscribed to these other lists because if one list doesn't 
know how to solve my Mac and iPhone problems, another list will.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
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Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

> On Sep 17, 2015, at 4:27 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Oh, I didn't want it to come across as I was wishing to join because of 
> anything Marc did or didn't do.  If it did come across that way, then my 
> apology.  I was just wanting to subscribe so that I'd have another Apple 
> resource under my toolbelt.  You know what I mean?
>  
> I do have Joseph's e-mail address, so I'll write him privately; that's 
> certainly not a problem at all.
>  
> Chris.
> - Original Message - 
>> From: Shawn Krasniuk 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 9:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: To Scott from Mark: Off-List: RE: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?
>> 
>> To join Peel The Apple, send a blank email to 
>> peel-the-apple+subscr...@googlegroups.com 
>> . As for Blind Apples, 
>> you're on the iPhone list right? If so, do you know a guy named Joseph 
>> Hudson? Email him and he'll get you subscribed to his list. And Mac For The 
>> Blind is a FreeList mailing list so doing a google search should give you 
>> the subscribe link for their mailing list. In my opinion though, Mark has 
>> made everything right in the world now so we can stay put if we want right?
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>> On Sep 16, 2015, at 6:57 AM, Jessica Moss >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can you please give me the irk for these lists?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2015, at 1:54 AM, Shawn Krasniuk >> > wrote:
>>> 
 I'm gonna wait until Cara and Mark make their final judgements. I posted 
 my opinions in another thread so I won't post them again, but I will say 
 that if this list develops the strict rule that we can only talk about the 
 Mac, then sorry to say, I'll be doing the same as others have and or will 
 do and take my talents elsewhere. I'm subscribed to three other lists that 
 let people talk about Mac and iPhone in one list, one list, Peel The 
 Apple, has an off topic weekend where people can talk about anything, 
 Windows, Android, even Jaws. The other two are Joseph Hudson's Blind 
 Apples list and John P's Mac For The Blind list. So as you can see I have 
 a lot of resources at my disposal. One more thing, the sad day will be 
 when I do unsubscribe because I share Kawal's sentiments in that I've met 
 a ton of awesome people and I even have some of you on Skype and social 
 media. So it will be sad if I do unsubscribe because these past 5 years 
 with you guys were awesome and to those of you that don't have me on Skype 
 or social media, I'll miss you a lot.
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook
 Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
 Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
 Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
 Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
> On Sep 15, 2015, at 4:54 PM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I agree with you Scott.  This is not the sentiment of the list that I 
> joined 10 years ago.  I will sign off of this one.  Can be more useful 
> elsewhere.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada 
> 
> On Sep 15, 2015, at 12:15, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
> I thought the rest of the list would be interested in this response from 
> Mark sent off list but I think he should have responded on list.
> 
> Obviously he has no interest in what we the users have requested.  Any 
> idiot knows that the Apple environment is an ecosystem of devices and 
> software as well as content.  The Mac is a part, the iPhone is a part, 
> pad still another.  So instead of having one logical place to discuss the 
> entire ecosystem your moderator wants to have super fragmentation and 
> then stifle conversations that don’t deal with the Mac specifically.  We 
> know the VIPhone list is over run with garbage messages and badly 
> moderated.  As several stated they wanted a place here to discuss the 
> entire Apple product line and also presented was this list predates any 
> others and as such previously was a clearinghouse for all things Apple 
> not just

Re: Question about links in mail

[Alex Hall]

Are you interacting with the text of the message? If not, that may well be the 
problem.
> On Sep 17, 2015, at 14:30, gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net 
>  wrote:
> 
> Question: Do I need to press VO-Cmd-l to get to the link if I am already 
> standing on the link? The message contains text and some links. I stand on 
> the link I want to activate, but when I press vo space bar nothing happens.
> I wonder what I'm doing wrong.
> 
> 
> http://www.greenpathtowellness.com/
> Author of Dear Suzie, Rivers Of Light and Annie's Journal
> -Original Message- From: Anne Robertson
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 10:51 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about links in mail
> 
> Hello Rena,
> 
> You need to press VO-Cmd-l to get to the link and then VO-Space to activate 
> the link which will open Safari. VO-l just reads the line.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 17 Sep 2015, at 16:42, gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Perhaps I don't know how to explain correctly. I want to activate a link in 
>> order to open a page in safari and fill out a form. I open the message, I 
>> stand exactly on the link, I press enter and nothing, vo space bar and 
>> nothing, vo l and nothing either. In windows I just press enter on a link to 
>> activate it. How can I do the same here?
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.greenpathtowellness.com/
>> Author of Dear Suzie, Rivers Of Light and Annie's Journal
>> -Original Message- From: Aleeha Dudley
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 8:59 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Question about links in mail
>> 
>> Press VO command L until you hear the link you need. Then press VO space.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 6:56 AM, gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> What is the command to activate a link in mail? I can open the message and 
>>> read it. I want to click on a link to open a safari page, but I don't know 
>>> how. I press enter and also vo space bar, but nothing.
>>> Thank you,
>>> Rena
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.greenpathtowellness.com/
>>> Author of Dear Suzie, Rivers Of Light and Annie's Journal
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Re: IOS 9 impressions?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Well I upgrade then.  Is 3D touch available or is this just so on the new 6 
plus S's or 6S's?
On 17 Sep 2015, at 20:00, Jessica Moss  wrote:

I haven't noticed that actually.
On Sep 17, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> A friend of mine said there was a bug on IOS9 where if you put headphones in 
> to make a call then took them out, Voice Over would die.  She said some 
> phones did that and others didn't so I don't know if I should hold off.  
> Should I put it on that is the question as I'm getting the next I phone 6S 
> plus so I am pondering!
> 
> Thanks Scott for remarking on my adventure it was crazy wasn't it but no 
> worries, I was just saying.
> 
> Kawal.
> On 17 Sep 2015, at 13:41, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Anyone else install IOS 9 and what are your impressions?
> 
> I have it running now for less than 24 hours of course.  Battery drain seems 
> higher but I probably need a phone restart that usually clears battery 
> issues.  I like VO saying cap and the letter now instead of uppercase or 
> capitol, and the replacement for passbook seems easy to use.  Other than that 
> not to many impressions yet.  What are you all experiencing?
> 
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Re: Split screen?

[Alex Hall]

I don't have an iPad, but my understanding is that you simply touch the status 
bar and swipe right with three fingers. You then chose the app you want, and it 
appears next to the one you were in when you started the process. AppleVis has 
a full description of how this works if you haven't seen it already.
> On Sep 17, 2015, at 13:29, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Guys,
>  
> Now that I O S 9 is officially released, we can openly discuss it.  I 
> therefore have a question, in hopes that someone may be able to assist.
>  
> I have an original IPad Air.  Not the 2, just the regular 1st generation Air.
>  
> I have been a part of the beta cycle for quite some time, but during the 
> private and the public betas, I confess this isn't something I normally 
> really experimented with.  Anyway, enough chatter.  My question is, do any of 
> you all know how, with Voiceover, to do the split screen feature which was 
> added to I O S 9?
>  
> Chris.
>  
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Re: IOS 9 impressions?

[Terje Strømberg]

For example, Alex can be a voiceover voice you use to browse the iPhone, read 
messages and write messages. Now in IOS 9 siri can be used as a voiceover 
voice. When you type abc siri says abc. If you configure voiceover to use siri 
as a voiceover voice. At least, this is what i have read. 

Take care

17. sep. 2015 kl. 20:38 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland :

What do you mean?

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Terje Strømberg" 
To: 
Cc: "Terje Strømberg" 
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: IOS 9 impressions?


How well does siri as voiceover voice work?

Take care

17. sep. 2015 kl. 18:51 skrev Kaare Dehard :

Yes you can upgrade from 4s and up. Some features may not be available such as 
3d touch but I have just done a 5c. The time of reboot was somewhat extended 
however and took me about half an hour.
> On Sep 17, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
> Can I upgrade a 5S to IOS9?
> 
> Blessings,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
> 
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 7:41 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone else install IOS 9 and what are your impressions?
>> 
>> I have it running now for less than 24 hours of course.  Battery drain seems 
>> higher but I probably need a phone restart that usually clears battery 
>> issues.  I like VO saying cap and the letter now instead of uppercase or 
>> capitol, and the replacement for passbook seems easy to use. Other than that 
>> not to many impressions yet.  What are you all experiencing?
>> 
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Re: IOS 9 impressions?

[sadam . lists]

This feature is only available on the new phones. 

Sent from my iPhone 

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> On 18 Sep 2015, at 5:25 am, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Well I upgrade then.  Is 3D touch available or is this just so on the new 6 
> plus S's or 6S's?
> On 17 Sep 2015, at 20:00, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> I haven't noticed that actually.
>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> A friend of mine said there was a bug on IOS9 where if you put headphones in 
>> to make a call then took them out, Voice Over would die.  She said some 
>> phones did that and others didn't so I don't know if I should hold off.  
>> Should I put it on that is the question as I'm getting the next I phone 6S 
>> plus so I am pondering!
>> 
>> Thanks Scott for remarking on my adventure it was crazy wasn't it but no 
>> worries, I was just saying.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> On 17 Sep 2015, at 13:41, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone else install IOS 9 and what are your impressions?
>> 
>> I have it running now for less than 24 hours of course.  Battery drain seems 
>> higher but I probably need a phone restart that usually clears battery 
>> issues.  I like VO saying cap and the letter now instead of uppercase or 
>> capitol, and the replacement for passbook seems easy to use.  Other than 
>> that not to many impressions yet.  What are you all experiencing?
>> 
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Re: No Apple Watch update.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Well at least they are not like Code Factory, what was it, come what may, even 
though i found bugs they released the software didn't they.  If you remember 
those who were on the Mobile Speak list I made a song and dance and they didn't 
like it so in my opinion, Apple are doing well to fix whatever it is.  Very 
commendable but it depends on how you look at it.  One day when I have time 
I'll invest in becoming an IOS tester.  May be when I retire because just at 
the present time I can't fit enough stuff I want to do in a 24 7 day.

I asked the representative what about the newer models of watches as they had 
the new software update but I couldn't follow what was said.
On 17 Sep 2015, at 20:03, Donna Goodin  wrote:

It does seem like a bug that major would have been discovered earlier.
> On Sep 17, 2015, at 12:22 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> They announced this on the business news yesterday.  Wonder what kind of bug 
> it was that was only found on release day.  Stuff like this and other recent 
> events makes me wonder about QA under Tim Cook.
>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> thanks for passing that along, Kawal.  I was wondering what was up.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 11:50 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I was looking to see if there was a new watch software update and reset my 
>>> watch and everything.  When I found none, I called Apple Technical Support 
>>> and they told me that the new update will come some time before the end of 
>>> the year as there is a serious bug in the new apple update.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
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Re: Force Touch on Macbook Pro with VoiceOver

[Alex Hall]

I tested this at a local Best Buy, trying different things for about an hour. 
The best I could do was to route the mouse to the VO cursor with vo-cmd-f5, 
then deep press. That didn't always work, but I sometimes got word definitions 
and the like. To the best of my knowledge, Apple doesn't currently let 
VoiceOver take advantage of the trackpad yet. Here's hoping they do, because it 
could be a very powerful technology.
> On Sep 17, 2015, at 15:13, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, I just took possession of my new Macbook Pro yesterday. I usually 
> give myself a lot of time to customise a new computer to behave just how I 
> want, but I had things working incredibly quickly. Thanks to Setup Assistant, 
> I set up using a Time Machine backup of my Macbook Air, then I copied my 
> virtual machine across from my NAS, which I don't have as part of the Time 
> Machine backup.
> So within about 90 minutes, I had all my apps, my settings, Windows and all 
> the software I use there, JAWS, and everything set up. Now that, is very 
> slick.
> My question relates to the force touch trackpad in my new Macbook Pro. It's 
> really remarkable. When the laptop is switched off, you can feel it for what 
> it really is, a flat surface that doesn't give at all when you press it. But 
> when the machine is on, the haptic technology really makes it feel like 
> you're clicking. Makes me look forward to 3D touch on my 6s Plus next week.
> Has anyone found a use for the force touch gestures, such as a deep press, 
> with VO? I take it VO can't yet differentiate between a deep press and a 
> standard tap?
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Re: IOS 9 impressions?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
The only impression for me is the icloud drive on the home screen and that you 
can search in settings from a search field.
Otherwise i am not really impressed.
It doesn’t matter how many restarts and resets i do.
I don’t get the better battery life.
/A
> 17 sep. 2015 kl. 14:41 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> Anyone else install IOS 9 and what are your impressions?
> 
> I have it running now for less than 24 hours of course.  Battery drain seems 
> higher but I probably need a phone restart that usually clears battery 
> issues.  I like VO saying cap and the letter now instead of uppercase or 
> capitol, and the replacement for passbook seems easy to use.  Other than that 
> not to many impressions yet.  What are you all experiencing?
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Re: Force Touch on Macbook Pro with VoiceOver

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Is this deep touch thing on the Apple watch?  I thought it was as I couldn't 
make a new alarm as I kept pressing it firmly and when the new button came up 
it wouldn't let me double tap it.  It took me ages.
On 17 Sep 2015, at 20:33, Alex Hall  wrote:

I tested this at a local Best Buy, trying different things for about an hour. 
The best I could do was to route the mouse to the VO cursor with vo-cmd-f5, 
then deep press. That didn't always work, but I sometimes got word definitions 
and the like. To the best of my knowledge, Apple doesn't currently let 
VoiceOver take advantage of the trackpad yet. Here's hoping they do, because it 
could be a very powerful technology.
> On Sep 17, 2015, at 15:13, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, I just took possession of my new Macbook Pro yesterday. I usually 
> give myself a lot of time to customise a new computer to behave just how I 
> want, but I had things working incredibly quickly. Thanks to Setup Assistant, 
> I set up using a Time Machine backup of my Macbook Air, then I copied my 
> virtual machine across from my NAS, which I don't have as part of the Time 
> Machine backup.
> So within about 90 minutes, I had all my apps, my settings, Windows and all 
> the software I use there, JAWS, and everything set up. Now that, is very 
> slick.
> My question relates to the force touch trackpad in my new Macbook Pro. It's 
> really remarkable. When the laptop is switched off, you can feel it for what 
> it really is, a flat surface that doesn't give at all when you press it. But 
> when the machine is on, the haptic technology really makes it feel like 
> you're clicking. Makes me look forward to 3D touch on my 6s Plus next week.
> Has anyone found a use for the force touch gestures, such as a deep press, 
> with VO? I take it VO can't yet differentiate between a deep press and a 
> standard tap?
> Jonathan Mosen
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Re: IOS 9 impressions?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Sure!
I have upgraded a 4 s and a 5 s.
THey both work like a charm.
/A
> 17 sep. 2015 kl. 18:45 skrev Stacey Robinson :
> 
> Can I upgrade a 5S to IOS9?
> 
> Blessings,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>   
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 7:41 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone else install IOS 9 and what are your impressions?
>> 
>> I have it running now for less than 24 hours of course.  Battery drain seems 
>> higher but I probably need a phone restart that usually clears battery 
>> issues.  I like VO saying cap and the letter now instead of uppercase or 
>> capitol, and the replacement for passbook seems easy to use.  Other than 
>> that not to many impressions yet.  What are you all experiencing?
>> 
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El Kapitan.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Please could someone tell me where this place El Capitan is as I've never heard 
of it.  Is it a small place and why do Apple choose such strange names?  I 
preferred the cat family.

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Where is the button to start the update?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi.

I am having problems finding the button to do an update over the air.  I had 
this problem before when doing an 8. something update.  Why is the button not 
visible with Voice over?

Many thanks.

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Re: El Kapitan.

[Andrew Lamanche]

It's a mountain in a national park in US.  You might get some more info on 
Google.
> On 17 Sep 2015, at 20:41, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> Please could someone tell me where this place El Capitan is as I've never 
> heard of it.  Is it a small place and why do Apple choose such strange names? 
>  I preferred the cat family.
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Re: Split screen?

[Jonathan Mosen]

There are also keyboard commands, VO+left and right bracket, and Braille 
commands too. You swipe left with three fingers on the status bar to reveal the 
side app swithcer. The iPad chapter of iOS 9 Without the Eye goes into split 
screen, picture in picture, and slide-over in great detail.
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> On 18/09/2015, at 7:26 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
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> I don't have an iPad, but my understanding is that you simply touch the 
> status bar and swipe right with three fingers. You then chose the app you 
> want, and it appears next to the one you were in when you started the 
> process. AppleVis has a full description of how this works if you haven't 
> seen it already.
>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 13:29, Christopher-Mark Gilland > > wrote:
>> 
>> Guys,
>>  
>> Now that I O S 9 is officially released, we can openly discuss it.  I 
>> therefore have a question, in hopes that someone may be able to assist.
>>  
>> I have an original IPad Air.  Not the 2, just the regular 1st generation Air.
>>  
>> I have been a part of the beta cycle for quite some time, but during the 
>> private and the public betas, I confess this isn't something I normally 
>> really experimented with.  Anyway, enough chatter.  My question is, do any 
>> of you all know how, with Voiceover, to do the split screen feature which 
>> was added to I O S 9?
>>  
>> Chris.
>>  
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Re: Force Touch on Macbook Pro with VoiceOver

[Jonathan Mosen]

Thanks Alex, that's certainly been my experience thus far, but wanted to make 
sure I wasn't overlooking anything.
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> On 18/09/2015, at 7:33 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
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> I tested this at a local Best Buy, trying different things for about an hour. 
> The best I could do was to route the mouse to the VO cursor with vo-cmd-f5, 
> then deep press. That didn't always work, but I sometimes got word 
> definitions and the like. To the best of my knowledge, Apple doesn't 
> currently let VoiceOver take advantage of the trackpad yet. Here's hoping 
> they do, because it could be a very powerful technology.
>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 15:13, Jonathan Mosen > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, I just took possession of my new Macbook Pro yesterday. I usually 
>> give myself a lot of time to customise a new computer to behave just how I 
>> want, but I had things working incredibly quickly. Thanks to Setup 
>> Assistant, I set up using a Time Machine backup of my Macbook Air, then I 
>> copied my virtual machine across from my NAS, which I don't have as part of 
>> the Time Machine backup.
>> So within about 90 minutes, I had all my apps, my settings, Windows and all 
>> the software I use there, JAWS, and everything set up. Now that, is very 
>> slick.
>> My question relates to the force touch trackpad in my new Macbook Pro. It's 
>> really remarkable. When the laptop is switched off, you can feel it for what 
>> it really is, a flat surface that doesn't give at all when you press it. But 
>> when the machine is on, the haptic technology really makes it feel like 
>> you're clicking. Makes me look forward to 3D touch on my 6s Plus next week.
>> Has anyone found a use for the force touch gestures, such as a deep press, 
>> with VO? I take it VO can't yet differentiate between a deep press and a 
>> standard tap?
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
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Update painless.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Well, the update was painless.  Must have taken ten minutes.

The other thing I was impressed with, all my apps and screen layout was 
untouched.  I think the first IOS update I dealt with with the I phone 4, all 
my apps were erased.  Alex came straight back on.  The install button appeared 
by itself half way down the screen.

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Re: Force Touch on Macbook Pro with VoiceOver

[Alex Hall]

It's possible we are both overlooking something, but I doubt it. I even tried 
the trackpad commander with Keyboard Help on, but found nothing. I did discover 
that you can't force click with more than one finger, which is a shame as it 
would open a whole world of options for VoiceOver users. Maybe one day…
> On Sep 17, 2015, at 16:09, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Alex, that's certainly been my experience thus far, but wanted to make 
> sure I wasn't overlooking anything.
> Jonathan Mosen
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>> On 18/09/2015, at 7:33 AM, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>> 
>> I tested this at a local Best Buy, trying different things for about an 
>> hour. The best I could do was to route the mouse to the VO cursor with 
>> vo-cmd-f5, then deep press. That didn't always work, but I sometimes got 
>> word definitions and the like. To the best of my knowledge, Apple doesn't 
>> currently let VoiceOver take advantage of the trackpad yet. Here's hoping 
>> they do, because it could be a very powerful technology.
>>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 15:13, Jonathan Mosen >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all, I just took possession of my new Macbook Pro yesterday. I usually 
>>> give myself a lot of time to customise a new computer to behave just how I 
>>> want, but I had things working incredibly quickly. Thanks to Setup 
>>> Assistant, I set up using a Time Machine backup of my Macbook Air, then I 
>>> copied my virtual machine across from my NAS, which I don't have as part of 
>>> the Time Machine backup.
>>> So within about 90 minutes, I had all my apps, my settings, Windows and all 
>>> the software I use there, JAWS, and everything set up. Now that, is very 
>>> slick.
>>> My question relates to the force touch trackpad in my new Macbook Pro. It's 
>>> really remarkable. When the laptop is switched off, you can feel it for 
>>> what it really is, a flat surface that doesn't give at all when you press 
>>> it. But when the machine is on, the haptic technology really makes it feel 
>>> like you're clicking. Makes me look forward to 3D touch on my 6s Plus next 
>>> week.
>>> Has anyone found a use for the force touch gestures, such as a deep press, 
>>> with VO? I take it VO can't yet differentiate between a deep press and a 
>>> standard tap?
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>> http://Mosen.org 
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Re: Question about links in mail

[gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net]

Do you mean that once I open the message should I interact - shift vo down 
arrow even if I can read the message? As I can read it, move line by line I 
didn't think that I had to interact.




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Author of Dear Suzie, Rivers Of Light and Annie's Journal
-Original Message- 
From: Alex Hall

Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 3:24 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
Subject: Re: Question about links in mail

Are you interacting with the text of the message? If not, that may well be 
the problem.
On Sep 17, 2015, at 14:30, gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net 
 wrote:


Question: Do I need to press VO-Cmd-l to get to the link if I am already 
standing on the link? The message contains text and some links. I stand on 
the link I want to activate, but when I press vo space bar nothing 
happens.

I wonder what I'm doing wrong.


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Subject: Re: Question about links in mail

Hello Rena,

You need to press VO-Cmd-l to get to the link and then VO-Space to 
activate the link which will open Safari. VO-l just reads the line.


Cheers,

Anne


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 wrote:


Perhaps I don't know how to explain correctly. I want to activate a link 
in order to open a page in safari and fill out a form. I open the 
message, I stand exactly on the link, I press enter and nothing, vo space 
bar and nothing, vo l and nothing either. In windows I just press enter 
on a link to activate it. How can I do the same here?



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Subject: Re: Question about links in mail

Press VO command L until you hear the link you need. Then press VO space.

Sent from my iPhone

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Hello,

What is the command to activate a link in mail? I can open the message 
and read it. I want to click on a link to open a safari page, but I 
don't know how. I press enter and also vo space bar, but nothing.

Thank you,
Rena




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Re: Question about links in mail

[Alex Hall]

Yes, exactly. As with any text field, you don't need to interact to move, but 
you do need to interact to let focus follow your cursor. That's why doing a say 
all (vo-a) on a document or email without interacting always reads from the 
top, no matter where in the document you are, but interacting and doing the 
same command reads from where you are.
> On Sep 17, 2015, at 16:17, gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net 
>  wrote:
> 
> Do you mean that once I open the message should I interact - shift vo down 
> arrow even if I can read the message? As I can read it, move line by line I 
> didn't think that I had to interact.
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.greenpathtowellness.com/
> Author of Dear Suzie, Rivers Of Light and Annie's Journal
> -Original Message- From: Alex Hall
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 3:24 PM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
> Subject: Re: Question about links in mail
> 
> Are you interacting with the text of the message? If not, that may well be 
> the problem.
>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 14:30, gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Question: Do I need to press VO-Cmd-l to get to the link if I am already 
>> standing on the link? The message contains text and some links. I stand on 
>> the link I want to activate, but when I press vo space bar nothing happens.
>> I wonder what I'm doing wrong.
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.greenpathtowellness.com/
>> Author of Dear Suzie, Rivers Of Light and Annie's Journal
>> -Original Message- From: Anne Robertson
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 10:51 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Question about links in mail
>> 
>> Hello Rena,
>> 
>> You need to press VO-Cmd-l to get to the link and then VO-Space to activate 
>> the link which will open Safari. VO-l just reads the line.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 17 Sep 2015, at 16:42, gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Perhaps I don't know how to explain correctly. I want to activate a link in 
>>> order to open a page in safari and fill out a form. I open the message, I 
>>> stand exactly on the link, I press enter and nothing, vo space bar and 
>>> nothing, vo l and nothing either. In windows I just press enter on a link 
>>> to activate it. How can I do the same here?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.greenpathtowellness.com/
>>> Author of Dear Suzie, Rivers Of Light and Annie's Journal
>>> -Original Message- From: Aleeha Dudley
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 8:59 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Question about links in mail
>>> 
>>> Press VO command L until you hear the link you need. Then press VO space.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 17, 2015, at 6:56 AM, gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net 
  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 What is the command to activate a link in mail? I can open the message and 
 read it. I want to click on a link to open a safari page, but I don't know 
 how. I press enter and also vo space bar, but nothing.
 Thank you,
 Rena
 
 
 
 
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Re: Split screen?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Here's my only problem now.

I got safari opened.  I then swyped right to left with 3 fingers on the status 
bar and got the slideout app chooser bar.  Somehow, I double tapped on the 
wrong app, and wound up putting it where now along the right of my screen is 
photos, and along the left side is the Safari window, but it's dim greyed out 
like a shadow.  I hear this is because being I only have a 1st gen Air, I don't 
have the full compatibility of true splitscreen.  I hear I should be able 
however to get back to my sidebar and select something instead of Pictures, 
which again, I didn't mean to do in the first place.

When I touch anywhere on the left side of the screen, I hear, dismiss pictures. 
 If I double tap, the right hand portion with pictures goes away, and I then 
again have a full screen view of, in this case, Safari.  If I then touch the 
status bar, and 3 finger flick left again, it just reopens Pictures along the 
right side.  If I then try touching on the status bar, as soon as I do, then 
lift my finger, focus moves away from the clock, battery status, or whatever 
and I hear, dismiss pictures.  I think maybe one time only out of literally 
about 30 tries did I get it to stay on the status bar long enough for me to 3 
finger flick left.  When I did it bwonked at me.  3 finger flick down's only 
openning the notification center.  3 finger flick up, as expected, is openning 
the control center.  So, Apple Accessibility clames that right below the status 
bar, but not quite down virtically to the point where the right hand side app 
is, there's a little oblong shaped icon that I should be able to tap and drag 
to the bottom of the screen, which would then dismiss photos and slide that 
side app switcher up back into view.  Try as I may though, no flicking, nor 
touch exploration is getting me focussed there.  I'm waiting for a call back 
from Accessibility as they're pretty darn stumped at this point.

Does anyone know anything else we could try?

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jonathan Mosen 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 4:08 PM
  Subject: Re: Split screen?


  There are also keyboard commands, VO+left and right bracket, and Braille 
commands too. You swipe left with three fingers on the status bar to reveal the 
side app swithcer. The iPad chapter of iOS 9 Without the Eye goes into split 
screen, picture in picture, and slide-over in great detail.

  Jonathan Mosen
  Mosen Consulting
  Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
  http://Mosen.org


On 18/09/2015, at 7:26 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:


I don't have an iPad, but my understanding is that you simply touch the 
status bar and swipe right with three fingers. You then chose the app you want, 
and it appears next to the one you were in when you started the process. 
AppleVis has a full description of how this works if you haven't seen it 
already.

  On Sep 17, 2015, at 13:29, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


  Guys,

  Now that I O S 9 is officially released, we can openly discuss it.  I 
therefore have a question, in hopes that someone may be able to assist.

  I have an original IPad Air.  Not the 2, just the regular 1st generation 
Air.

  I have been a part of the beta cycle for quite some time, but during the 
private and the public betas, I confess this isn't something I normally really 
experimented with.  Anyway, enough chatter.  My question is, do any of you all 
know how, with Voiceover, to do the split screen feature which was added to I O 
S 9?

  Chris.



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Another cool thing.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I also find all my I Cloud drive files are accessible on my phone which is cool.

So one question.  Does this mean we can save e-mail attachments to iCloud drive 
from our phone like a proper computer?  That would be so cool.

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Re: annoying quicknav problem in osx 10.10 and 10.11

[William Windels]

Hello all,
this tread has become a mixed tread but I am speaking about the original 
question.

I thought that the quicknav letters on a webpage only should work when the 
cursor isn’t in a interacted edit-field.
So, I thought that I could combine the quicknav keys on a webpage on one side 
and type anything I want in interacted edit-fields when I am interacted with 
that field.
If this is what it should be, I have found a bug I think.

Ok, I can set off the quickness keys on the quicknav section of the voiceover 
program but if it goes automatic, it’s much better ;)

thx for your comments,
William 

> Op 17-sep.-2015, om 19:01 heeft Christina C.  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> I also cannot type in text fields when quick nav is on. I believe in the 
> voiceOver Utility under commanders/quick nav, there is a check box that says 
> "Enable single-key webpage navigation when using Quick Nav.” You can try 
> unchecking this if you do not like to use single key navigation. This feature 
> is probably what does not allow you to type in text fields on webpages. I use 
> single key navigation a ton so I leave this option on.
> 
> Good Luck,
> Christina
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Re: Another cool thing.

[Matthew Dierckens]

Hi,
Yes, you can snd and save attachments in iCloud drive. Now if only Google 
Drive, dropbox and 1drive would be able to implement this feature.

God bless.
Matthew Dierckens
Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
Macintosh, Windows and IOS  Trainer
U.S. number: 573-401-1018
Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com

> On Sep 17, 2015, at 4:26 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I also find all my I Cloud drive files are accessible on my phone which is 
> cool.
> 
> So one question.  Does this mean we can save e-mail attachments to iCloud 
> drive from our phone like a proper computer?  That would be so cool.
> 
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Re: Where is the button to start the update?

[Jeffrey Shockley]

Hi,
The “Download and Install” button is there. So, saying something is “invisible 
to VoiceOver” isn’t true at all. You just have to find it using touch 
exploration. The easiest way to find it, at least how I did it, was to use the 
three finger scroll up gesture, and the button was there, I’d say somewhat in 
the middle of the screen on my iPhone. I figured this out while getting 
fustrated because I couldn’t find it either at first, but I knew it was their..
Hope this helps,
Jeffrey
> On Sep 17, 2015, at 3:48 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> I am having problems finding the button to do an update over the air.  I had 
> this problem before when doing an 8. something update.  Why is the button not 
> visible with Voice over?
> 
> Many thanks.
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system integrity protection

[Mike Arrigo]

Hey everyone, I've been doing some reading on what will be coming in 
version 10.11, el Capitan, it does appear as though Apple is getting 
more restrictive with each release. In 10.10 they introduced kext 
signing which only allows you to install kernel extentions that are 
signed by Apple. Now, in 10.11, they are introducing what is called 
system integrity protection. In a nutshell, what this does is prevent 
any program from accessing or binding to running processes such as the 
finder or dock. One program that apparently is affected by this is 
dropbox, the finder integration will no longer work. Basically, it 
requires all applications to be sandboxed, even those that are 
installed from outside the app store. Even if a program requests 
elevated permissions where you have to type in your password, that will 
no longer matter, the program will no longer have this access. 
Fortunately, there will be a way to disable this from the recovery, and 
that will be one of the first things I do once I upgrade.


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Re: Another cool thing.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

How cool is that.
On 17 Sep 2015, at 21:35, Matthew Dierckens  wrote:

Hi,
Yes, you can snd and save attachments in iCloud drive. Now if only Google 
Drive, dropbox and 1drive would be able to implement this feature.

God bless.
Matthew Dierckens
Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
Macintosh, Windows and IOS  Trainer
U.S. number: 573-401-1018
Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com

> On Sep 17, 2015, at 4:26 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I also find all my I Cloud drive files are accessible on my phone which is 
> cool.
> 
> So one question.  Does this mean we can save e-mail attachments to iCloud 
> drive from our phone like a proper computer?  That would be so cool.
> 
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Re: Where is the button to start the update?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I found it thank you.  I have never used the three finger gestures and found it 
by accident.  I'll have to read about the new gestures so I hope there is an 
updated voice over manual.
On 17 Sep 2015, at 21:34, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:

Hi,
The “Download and Install” button is there. So, saying something is “invisible 
to VoiceOver” isn’t true at all. You just have to find it using touch 
exploration. The easiest way to find it, at least how I did it, was to use the 
three finger scroll up gesture, and the button was there, I’d say somewhat in 
the middle of the screen on my iPhone. I figured this out while getting 
fustrated because I couldn’t find it either at first, but I knew it was their..
Hope this helps,
Jeffrey
> On Sep 17, 2015, at 3:48 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> I am having problems finding the button to do an update over the air.  I had 
> this problem before when doing an 8. something update.  Why is the button not 
> visible with Voice over?
> 
> Many thanks.
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Re: E-mail bug on IOS.

[Danny Noonan]

I had it on a 4s and a 5s and it was anywhere I had to swipe through scrollable 
lists over multiple screens. Mail, settings etc and resets, restoring from 
backups and even full reset of all settings and data and a fresh install 
wouldn't fix it. 
The bug is fully gone as far as I can tell. 

Danny

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 5:17 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> No Chris.
> 
> It didn't matter if I restored the phone or updated to 8.2 or 3 or 5, the bug 
> has always been there.
> 
> Kawal.
> On 17 Sep 2015, at 19:31, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> I too agree, never in 8, 9 beta, nor 9 official ever have I seen those things.
> 
> Seems like you probably needed a phone restore or something.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 11:11 AM
> Subject: Re: E-mail bug on IOS.
> 
> 
> Wow I never saw these bugs on my iPhone 6+.  I read a lot of mail though I 
> don’t respond much from the phone so that could be why.
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Michael.
>> 
>> I thought I had explained that in one of my previous messages some time ago. 
>>  If not, then I apologise.
>> 
>> So here goes again.
>> 
>> If in IOS8, you opened your mailbox, you could not always focus on every 
>> message.  Also when in a body of a message, you could find the delete button 
>> and Voice Over would land on the reply button instead.
>> 
>> Another bug I found in IOS8 was for instance:
>> 
>> 1. Open settings.
>> 
>> 2. flick right and pretend you were looking for phone.
>> 
>> 3.  You'd pass reminders and suddenly Voice Over would say apple pay or 
>> compass.  You'd flick left and you'd notice that it had missed, face time, 
>> messages and phone.
>> 
>> I hope this clarifies.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> On 17 Sep 2015, at 00:37, Michael Babcock  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, but what i’m asking is what bugs are you experiencing an IOS eight? If I 
>> had A better clarification of the "bugs" you're experiencing, I could've 
>> that you know if they are present in IOS nine or not.
>> Michael Babcock
>> Your Blind Digital Marketing Partner.
>> @payown on periscope and twitter.
>> http://yourownpay.com/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am not running iOS 9. The bugs are in iOS 8.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 16 Sep 2015, at 10:56 pm, Michael  wrote:
 
 Could you be more specific about what bug you're talking about in mail? I 
 haven't observed any as of yet and been running iOS nine cents July.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 16, 2015, at 2:30 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> I don't know if anyone has got IOS9 on there I phone yet but if they have 
> and it's released, can someone tell me if the e-mail bug has been fixed 
> please?  Also, the bug where Voice Over did not focus properly on I cons, 
> is that fixed too please?  Please could someone tell me when El Capitan 
> will be released as I don't know.
> 
> I hope my questions are allowed now meaning we can ask I phone questions 
> on here now.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Kawal.
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Re: E-mail bug on IOS.

[eileen . misrahi]

I just watt to add that there are times in 8.4.1 mail I lose all the buttons at 
the bottom, which includes move, delete, reply, and compose. assentially, I 
need to close out of that particular email and reopen it to get the bottom 
buttons to show again. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2015, at 9:51 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> The delete button bug appears to be fixed.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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>> On 18 Sep 2015, at 03:08, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Michael.
>> 
>> I thought I had explained that in one of my previous messages some time ago. 
>>  If not, then I apologise.
>> 
>> So here goes again.
>> 
>> If in IOS8, you opened your mailbox, you could not always focus on every 
>> message.  Also when in a body of a message, you could find the delete button 
>> and Voice Over would land on the reply button instead.
>> 
>> Another bug I found in IOS8 was for instance:
>> 
>> 1. Open settings.
>> 
>> 2. flick right and pretend you were looking for phone.
>> 
>> 3.  You'd pass reminders and suddenly Voice Over would say apple pay or 
>> compass.  You'd flick left and you'd notice that it had missed, face time, 
>> messages and phone.
>> 
>> I hope this clarifies.
>> 
>> Kawal. 
>> On 17 Sep 2015, at 00:37, Michael Babcock  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, but what i’m asking is what bugs are you experiencing an IOS eight? If I 
>> had A better clarification of the "bugs" you're experiencing, I could've 
>> that you know if they are present in IOS nine or not.
>> Michael Babcock
>> Your Blind Digital Marketing Partner.
>> @payown on periscope and twitter.
>> http://yourownpay.com/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am not running iOS 9. The bugs are in iOS 8.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 16 Sep 2015, at 10:56 pm, Michael  wrote:
 
 Could you be more specific about what bug you're talking about in mail? I 
 haven't observed any as of yet and been running iOS nine cents July.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 16, 2015, at 2:30 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> I don't know if anyone has got IOS9 on there I phone yet but if they have 
> and it's released, can someone tell me if the e-mail bug has been fixed 
> please?  Also, the bug where Voice Over did not focus properly on I cons, 
> is that fixed too please?  Please could someone tell me when El Capitan 
> will be released as I don't know.
> 
> I hope my questions are allowed now meaning we can ask I phone questions 
> on here now.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Kawal.
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Re: system integrity protection

[eileen . misrahi]

Hi,

Can you give steps on how to disable this feature in recovery in general terms? 

Thanks.

Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone, I've been doing some reading on what will be coming in version 
> 10.11, el Capitan, it does appear as though Apple is getting more restrictive 
> with each release. In 10.10 they introduced kext signing which only allows 
> you to install kernel extentions that are signed by Apple. Now, in 10.11, 
> they are introducing what is called system integrity protection. In a 
> nutshell, what this does is prevent any program from accessing or binding to 
> running processes such as the finder or dock. One program that apparently is 
> affected by this is dropbox, the finder integration will no longer work. 
> Basically, it requires all applications to be sandboxed, even those that are 
> installed from outside the app store. Even if a program requests elevated 
> permissions where you have to type in your password, that will no longer 
> matter, the program will no longer have this access. Fortunately, there will 
> be a way to disable this from the recovery, and that will be one of the first 
> things I do once I upgrade.
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Re: IOS 9 impressions?

[Danny Noonan]

I have found 2 variants of the audio routing bug although neither is related to 
calls and neither is a big  problem.  All of these are with my headset in. 
If I have several audio apps loaded at the same time, in this case it was 
downcast voice dream and music, the voiceover volume reduced by about 40% and 
starting any audio the app volume would be low as well but soon slide back up 
to the set app volume. 
Taking apps out of the app chooser fixed it. 
Some times the play pause button on my headset stops working or plays music 
over or instead of my current audio apps. Either tapping the play button in the 
app or turning vo off and on fixes this. 
My ringer has been silent for a few seconds but then kicks in. 
Having said that I'm loving 9.   

Danny

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 4:57 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, I've written about 28000 words on iOS 9 in my book released 
> yesterday, but I did want to comment on some bugs, in case people haven't 
> upgraded yet and are wondering if there might be any pitfalls in doing so.
> I am enthusiastic about iOS 9. It is significantly more responsive than its 
> predecessor, and there are many new features that I'm sure you'll enjoy. 
> Unfortunately, there are also some VoiceOver bugs in iOS 9 that range from 
> minor annoyances to potentially critical, depending on how you use your 
> device and whether you find yourself affected. Here are just a few that you 
> might like to take into consideration before deciding whether to wait for a 
> bug fix release before installing iOS 9. Remember that a few days following 
> iOS 9's release, it will not be possible to downgrade again, so you should 
> consider the upgrade to iOS 9 a one-way trip, and proceed with caution if 
> anything below concerns you.
> 1. Audio routing bug. This is potentially the most significant accessibility 
> bug I can recall ever to slip through an iOS release, due to the number of 
> people who may be affected. Not everyone will be, and at present, even after 
> extensive testing with a range of people owning different devices, I have no 
> information about why it affects some users, but not others. It is not device 
> specific, for example it is happening to me on my iPhone 6 Plus, but I know 
> iPhone 6 Plus users where the problem isn't so severe. Nor does it seem to be 
> affected by any setting. If you're lucky, it won't happen to you, but the 
> only way I am aware of to determine this is to upgrade.
> This bug may affect you when you have earbuds or headphones connected to the 
> headphone socket of your iPhone. The primary way the audio routing bug 
> manifests itself is when you receive an incoming phone or FaceTime call. You 
> can usually hear if you're going to be affected by the bug because your 
> ring-tone will fade in and out, rather like the way VOiceOver causes system 
> audio to fade in and out when audio ducking is enabled. At this point, if you 
> press the power button to silence the ringer and then flick through the 
> screen, you will find that not only has VOiceOver become unresponsive, but 
> the entire phone has as well.
> If you don't press the power button while the phone is ringing, but instead 
> opt to flick through the iPHone's screen to locate the Answer button or 
> review caller ID information, VoiceOver may not speak at all.
> Finally, if you attempt to answer the incoming call with a two-finger 
> double-tap, you may not be able to, since VoiceOver has effectively locked up.
> The bottom line is that if you have earbuds connected, you may not be able to 
> answer a call.
> Some people have also reported similar problems answering calls when their 
> phone is set to silent.
> If you rely on your phone for business or safety, this could be a deal 
> breaker in terms of upgrading at this point.
> What makes this bug so fascinating is that not only is it completely absent 
> for some people, but of those who experience it, not all symptoms are present 
> for all users. For example, some people experience the issues I have 
> described when they press the power button to mute the ringer, but not when 
> the phone is ringing. Others can answer a call by pressing the button on 
> their EarPods, while others cannot.
> If you upgrade and are affected by this, here are a few things to try.
> (A) If you have the more moderate version of this bug, avoid pressing the 
> power button when you receive an incoming call.
> (B) Turning off audio ducking seems to help a little for some users.
> (C) If you can't answer a call with a two-finger double-tap, try pressing the 
> button on your EarPods or similar device if you have such a device connected.
> (D) If all else fails, you can disconnect any device from the headphone jack, 
> answer the call with a two-finger double-tap, then reconnect the device to 
> the headphone jack.
> (E) Given the critical nature of this bug, if you've upgraded and now find 
> yourself afflicted by it, enrol i

Re: El Kapitan.

[eileen . misrahi]

Since I live in California and camp in Yosemite about every 3 years, El Capitan 
is the largest mountain peak in Yosemite. Since Apple has placed more emphasis 
on fixing things in the El Capitan release, that's why they probably selected 
it for the next OS.

Best,
Eileen

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> On Sep 17, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> It's a mountain in a national park in US.  You might get some more info on 
> Google.
>> On 17 Sep 2015, at 20:41, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Please could someone tell me where this place El Capitan is as I've never 
>> heard of it.  Is it a small place and why do Apple choose such strange 
>> names?  I preferred the cat family.
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RE: IOS 9 impressions?

[Junior Lolley KG4ITD]

Stacey, you are welcome.


Junior Lolley kg4itd
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take a chance or your life will never change."


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Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 1:15 PM
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Subject: Re: IOS 9 impressions?

Thanks Junior,
That is what I needed to know.

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

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> On Sep 17, 2015, at 12:09 PM, Junior Lolley KG4ITD  
> wrote:
> 
> Stacey, I upgraded my iPhone 5 to  IOS 9.
> 
> 
> Junior Lolley kg4itd
> Liberty County Emergency Coordinator
> "The 3 C’s of life: choices, chances, and changes. You must make a choice to 
> take a chance or your life will never change."
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Stacey Robinson
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 12:46 PM
> To: Macvisionaries
> Subject: Re: IOS 9 impressions?
> 
> Can I upgrade a 5S to IOS9?
> 
> Blessings,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>   
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 7:41 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone else install IOS 9 and what are your impressions?
>> 
>> I have it running now for less than 24 hours of course.  Battery drain seems 
>> higher but I probably need a phone restart that usually clears battery 
>> issues.  I like VO saying cap and the letter now instead of uppercase or 
>> capitol, and the replacement for passbook seems easy to use.  Other than 
>> that not to many impressions yet.  What are you all experiencing?
>> 
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Finally figured out how to not have every email in a thread read to me

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all,

I apologize if this has been posted before as I just stumbled on to by 
accident. One of the things that has driven me bonkers in Yosemite mail is when 
you go to a thread in mac mail and every ones email address is read to you 
before the subject as it might not be a subject that interests you. Well today 
I came across a way to get around having everyones email address read to you. 
When going through your mail interact with the message before you open it, VO 
right arrow to the subject now open the message with return close it after 
looking at all the messages in the thread with a VO w and hit the delete key, 
now because you are interacting with the subject you are taken to the next 
message in your mailbox and none of the email addresses are read to you. The 
only down side is VO does not read you how many messages are in a thread but if 
you are like me and do not care to hear everyones email address this is the 
first way I found around it. Hope this helps some.

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Re: El Kapitan.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

This is quite off topic, so I'll let it rest after I say this, but it also, 
in spanish, means the captain.  I'm not sure which way they meant it.


Chris.

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To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: El Kapitan.


It's a mountain in a national park in US.  You might get some more info on 
Google.

On 17 Sep 2015, at 20:41, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

Please could someone tell me where this place El Capitan is as I've never 
heard of it.  Is it a small place and why do Apple choose such strange 
names?  I preferred the cat family.


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Where is ICloud Drive on I O S 9?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

People say that ICloud drive is now on the home screen of I O S.  Where 
though?


I definitely don't see it.

Could it be that I've rearranged my icons into folders back in the I O S 8 
days, so maybe therefore it isn't showing out on my main screen, but instead 
is berried within a folder, like Utilities, etc?


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Re: Where is ICloud Drive on I O S 9?

[Barry Abbott]

Check each of your pages. Mine landed on page 2 and I then moved it into my 
Cloud Drives folder.

Hope this helps.

Barry
> On Sep 17, 2015, at 8:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> People say that ICloud drive is now on the home screen of I O S.  Where 
> though?
> 
> I definitely don't see it.
> 
> Could it be that I've rearranged my icons into folders back in the I O S 8 
> days, so maybe therefore it isn't showing out on my main screen, but instead 
> is berried within a folder, like Utilities, etc?
> 
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Predictive app opening in I O S? Awesome, but a question.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, this feature is really cool in some respects.  You'll know by what I mean 
with some respects here in justa second when I present my question.  First, let 
me explain however what I'm talking about for those who may not yet on I O S 9 
have seen this, as potentially, this is really sweet!

When your screen is locked, take a set of headphones and plug them in.  I'm 
saying literal corded wired headphones, not bluetooth.  Notice that in I O S 9, 
when you do this, your screen will pop to life, and you will be on the slide to 
unlock screen.  However, check this out!  Put your finger on the very very 
bottom bottom most left of the screen.  You'll notice that it probably is going 
to present you with an app.  Basically, what it's doing is, it's predicting 
based on your normal activity what most likely it thinks you are wanting to do. 
 So, the way I understand this is, if you plug in your headphones and you 
listen to lots of music when doing so, and you do this quite regularly, then 
your phone after a while is supposedly supposed to learn this, and then would 
open with giving you the option to start the Music app.  From what I was told, 
it gets even better though.  Say you are at the gym, and you have location 
services enabled.  Not only could it detect to open your music app, but it 
could even see that you're at the gym, and therefore then load your workout 
playlist upon openning the music app when you are at the gym and plug in your 
headphones.

So, ok, now that we understand this feature, let me explain what my question is.

I actually like to use my headphones at night, and listen to Bard Mobile.  You 
know, kind a just turn off the world and read.  Anyway... I've done this quite 
a few times, openning Bard Mobile after plugging in my headphones.  It keeps 
insisting to open Music though.  I hardly ever! open music up after plugging in 
my headphones.  So, first of all, how long does it take of doing this before it 
gets the hint that I usually am listenning to Bard when I plug them in?  If 
nothing else, is there a way I manually can force the Bard Mobile icon on to my 
lock screen?

Chris.

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Re: Where is ICloud Drive on I O S 9?

[Danny Noonan]

Go to settings iCloud iCloud Drive and there is an option in there to put it on 
your homes green but it's off by default. 

Danny

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> 
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> though?
> 
> I definitely don't see it.
> 
> Could it be that I've rearranged my icons into folders back in the I O S 8 
> days, so maybe therefore it isn't showing out on my main screen, but instead 
> is berried within a folder, like Utilities, etc?
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Re: system integrity protection

[Michael Babcock]

For what it’s worth, google drive (i use it more then dropbox) is installed and 
working just fine on the OS X 10.11 BETA.
I can copy and paste files both from the google drive and to the google drive 
folder in my home folder.
I have not tested dropbox.

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> On Sep 17, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Mike Arrigo  > wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone, I've been doing some reading on what will be coming in version 
> 10.11, el Capitan, it does appear as though Apple is getting more restrictive 
> with each release. In 10.10 they introduced kext signing which only allows 
> you to install kernel extentions that are signed by Apple. Now, in 10.11, 
> they are introducing what is called system integrity protection. In a 
> nutshell, what this does is prevent any program from accessing or binding to 
> running processes such as the finder or dock. One program that apparently is 
> affected by this is dropbox, the finder integration will no longer work. 
> Basically, it requires all applications to be sandboxed, even those that are 
> installed from outside the app store. Even if a program requests elevated 
> permissions where you have to type in your password, that will no longer 
> matter, the program will no longer have this access. Fortunately, there will 
> be a way to disable this from the recovery, and that will be one of the first 
> things I do once I upgrade.
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Re: system integrity protection

[Matthew Dierckens]

Dropbox is fine, but I’m unsure if we are allowed to discuss the betas.

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> On Sep 17, 2015, at 7:13 PM, Michael Babcock  wrote:
> 
> For what it’s worth, google drive (i use it more then dropbox) is installed 
> and working just fine on the OS X 10.11 BETA.
> I can copy and paste files both from the google drive and to the google drive 
> folder in my home folder.
> I have not tested dropbox.
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey everyone, I've been doing some reading on what will be coming in version 
>> 10.11, el Capitan, it does appear as though Apple is getting more 
>> restrictive with each release. In 10.10 they introduced kext signing which 
>> only allows you to install kernel extentions that are signed by Apple. Now, 
>> in 10.11, they are introducing what is called system integrity protection. 
>> In a nutshell, what this does is prevent any program from accessing or 
>> binding to running processes such as the finder or dock. One program that 
>> apparently is affected by this is dropbox, the finder integration will no 
>> longer work. Basically, it requires all applications to be sandboxed, even 
>> those that are installed from outside the app store. Even if a program 
>> requests elevated permissions where you have to type in your password, that 
>> will no longer matter, the program will no longer have this access. 
>> Fortunately, there will be a way to disable this from the recovery, and that 
>> will be one of the first things I do once I upgrade.
>> 
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useing docs with mac voiceover (fwd)

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi folks,
The damsel in distress  would appreciate  some mac love regarding 
this problem?
I seem to recall a recent thread.  best to reach her privately as she is 
not on this list.

Cheers,
karen


-- Forwarded message --
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:50:46 -0700
From: lucia greco 
Subject: useing docs with mac voiceover

hello: does any one out there use docs with voice over on a mac and if so
would you be willing to talk about it as i am having problems with it not
beeing as clean and easy to use as docs in vda and firefox.
 i am wanting to use this combo to use the new google voice typeing
feature  witch is working well but editing the document is harder then it
should be.
 this could be my mac skills need   tuning but am  hoping i can get as
fluint in docs with a mac as well as in windows.
lucy

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Re: Where is ICloud Drive on I O S 9?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

No.  It absolutely is not showing on my device at all.  I looked on all 
pages/all folders, and before anyone asks, no.  I'm not on the beta with 
this device.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Barry Abbott" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: Where is ICloud Drive on I O S 9?


Check each of your pages. Mine landed on page 2 and I then moved it into 
my Cloud Drives folder.


Hope this helps.

Barry
On Sep 17, 2015, at 8:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


People say that ICloud drive is now on the home screen of I O S.  Where 
though?


I definitely don't see it.

Could it be that I've rearranged my icons into folders back in the I O S 
8 days, so maybe therefore it isn't showing out on my main screen, but 
instead is berried within a folder, like Utilities, etc?


Chris.
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Re: Where is ICloud Drive on I O S 9?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Danny,

That was exactly the issue.  Thank you.

Chris.

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From: "Danny Noonan" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: Where is ICloud Drive on I O S 9?


Go to settings iCloud iCloud Drive and there is an option in there to put 
it on your homes green but it's off by default.


Danny

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On Sep 18, 2015, at 9:25 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


People say that ICloud drive is now on the home screen of I O S.  Where 
though?


I definitely don't see it.

Could it be that I've rearranged my icons into folders back in the I O S 
8 days, so maybe therefore it isn't showing out on my main screen, but 
instead is berried within a folder, like Utilities, etc?


Chris.
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Re: Where is ICloud Drive on I O S 9?

[Matthew Dierckens]

Hi all,
To access iCloud drive on your home screen, do the following.
Open settings
Open ICloud
There’s a button that says “Add ICloud drive to home screen.” make sure this is 
turned on.
Good luck.

God bless.
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> On Sep 17, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> No.  It absolutely is not showing on my device at all.  I looked on all 
> pages/all folders, and before anyone asks, no.  I'm not on the beta with this 
> device.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Barry Abbott" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 7:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Where is ICloud Drive on I O S 9?
> 
> 
>> Check each of your pages. Mine landed on page 2 and I then moved it into my 
>> Cloud Drives folder.
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> Barry
>>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 8:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> People say that ICloud drive is now on the home screen of I O S.  Where 
>>> though?
>>> 
>>> I definitely don't see it.
>>> 
>>> Could it be that I've rearranged my icons into folders back in the I O S 8 
>>> days, so maybe therefore it isn't showing out on my main screen, but 
>>> instead is berried within a folder, like Utilities, etc?
>>> 
>>> Chris.
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Re: Predictive app opening in I O S? Awesome, but a question.

[venky . 92]

Hi,
Adding to your questions, are those suggestions available in a few countries? 
Are these suggestions only permitted only to plugging headphones? How long does 
it take for these suggestions to start showing up on  the lock screen?
Thanks and regards,
Venkatesh

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> On 18-Sep-2015, at 5:11 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> So, ok, now that we understand this feature, let me exp

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Re: Predictive app opening in I O S? Awesome, but a question.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

This feature, after looking it up, apparently is called Proactive Assistant.

No, I don't think it's limited to just plugging in headphones, and yes, of 
course it works in other countries.  I don't see any reason at all why that 
would matter.


Chris.

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Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: Predictive app opening in I O S? Awesome, but a question.



Hi,
Adding to your questions, are those suggestions available in a few 
countries? Are these suggestions only permitted only to plugging 
headphones? How long does it take for these suggestions to start showing 
up on  the lock screen?

Thanks and regards,
Venkatesh

Sent from my iPhone

On 18-Sep-2015, at 5:11 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


So, ok, now that we understand this feature, let me exp


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