Yeah Chris I know what you mean. It's good to have multiple resources out there 
to turn to. I'm subscribed to these other lists because if one list doesn't 
know how to solve my Mac and iPhone problems, another list will.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

> On Sep 17, 2015, at 4:27 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Oh, I didn't want it to come across as I was wishing to join because of 
> anything Marc did or didn't do.  If it did come across that way, then my 
> apology.  I was just wanting to subscribe so that I'd have another Apple 
> resource under my toolbelt.  You know what I mean?
>  
> I do have Joseph's e-mail address, so I'll write him privately; that's 
> certainly not a problem at all.
>  
> Chris.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: Shawn Krasniuk <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 9:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: To Scott from Mark: Off-List: RE: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?
>> 
>> To join Peel The Apple, send a blank email to 
>> peel-the-apple+subscr...@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:peel-the-apple+subscr...@googlegroups.com>. As for Blind Apples, 
>> you're on the iPhone list right? If so, do you know a guy named Joseph 
>> Hudson? Email him and he'll get you subscribed to his list. And Mac For The 
>> Blind is a FreeList mailing list so doing a google search should give you 
>> the subscribe link for their mailing list. In my opinion though, Mark has 
>> made everything right in the world now so we can stay put if we want right?
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>
>>> On Sep 16, 2015, at 6:57 AM, Jessica Moss <junglebookfa...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:junglebookfa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can you please give me the irk for these lists?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2015, at 1:54 AM, Shawn Krasniuk <bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>> <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I'm gonna wait until Cara and Mark make their final judgements. I posted 
>>>> my opinions in another thread so I won't post them again, but I will say 
>>>> that if this list develops the strict rule that we can only talk about the 
>>>> Mac, then sorry to say, I'll be doing the same as others have and or will 
>>>> do and take my talents elsewhere. I'm subscribed to three other lists that 
>>>> let people talk about Mac and iPhone in one list, one list, Peel The 
>>>> Apple, has an off topic weekend where people can talk about anything, 
>>>> Windows, Android, even Jaws. The other two are Joseph Hudson's Blind 
>>>> Apples list and John P's Mac For The Blind list. So as you can see I have 
>>>> a lot of resources at my disposal. One more thing, the sad day will be 
>>>> when I do unsubscribe because I share Kawal's sentiments in that I've met 
>>>> a ton of awesome people and I even have some of you on Skype and social 
>>>> media. So it will be sad if I do unsubscribe because these past 5 years 
>>>> with you guys were awesome and to those of you that don't have me on Skype 
>>>> or social media, I'll miss you a lot.
>>>> 
>>>> Shawn
>>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>
>>>>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 4:54 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>>>>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I agree with you Scott.  This is not the sentiment of the list that I 
>>>>> joined 10 years ago.  I will sign off of this one.  Can be more useful 
>>>>> elsewhere.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Later...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 12:15, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
>>>>> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I thought the rest of the list would be interested in this response from 
>>>>> Mark sent off list but I think he should have responded on list.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Obviously he has no interest in what we the users have requested.  Any 
>>>>> idiot knows that the Apple environment is an ecosystem of devices and 
>>>>> software as well as content.  The Mac is a part, the iPhone is a part, 
>>>>> pad still another.  So instead of having one logical place to discuss the 
>>>>> entire ecosystem your moderator wants to have super fragmentation and 
>>>>> then stifle conversations that don’t deal with the Mac specifically.  We 
>>>>> know the VIPhone list is over run with garbage messages and badly 
>>>>> moderated.  As several stated they wanted a place here to discuss the 
>>>>> entire Apple product line and also presented was this list predates any 
>>>>> others and as such previously was a clearinghouse for all things Apple 
>>>>> not just Mac.  I will of course comply by leaving the list as I have no 
>>>>> interest in subscribing to yet more lists and I hope his power trip was 
>>>>> satisfying.  Mark, your users don’t want this so why enforce something 
>>>>> that doesn’t make sense and doesn’t meet the needs of the many users who 
>>>>> have spoken up?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Enjoy!
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: "M. Taylor" <mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>>
>>>>>> Subject: To Scott from Mark: Off-List: RE: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?
>>>>>> Date: September 15, 2015 at 2:09:33 PM EDT
>>>>>> To: <scott.grana...@gmail.com <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>>
>>>>>> Reply-To: <mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello Scott,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As stated in the subject, I am replying to you, off-list.  I would have 
>>>>>> appreciated the same courtesy.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> While I appreciate your sentiment on this, the bottom line is that this 
>>>>>> list is dedicated to Mac OSX products and services only.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So I ask you to please respect this policy and close this thread.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 6:02 AM
>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This is bogus.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I absolutely ask you to reconsider.  Apple devices should be on topic.  
>>>>>> Non apple devices should be on topic as long as the topic involves 
>>>>>> interoperation with Apple devices or comparisons of Apple devices to 
>>>>>> that product.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This list should allow the watch as well and support all Apple products. 
>>>>>>  There may be an iPhone list and that’s all well and good but a lot of 
>>>>>> us don’t want to bother with            more than one list
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 4:15 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu 
>>>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As this is not an iOS forum, I ask that this topic be taken off-list.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you for understanding.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mark
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