date:20150802


Aleeha wrote:

In order to join this group, you must be running at

least one of the betas.


And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?


Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so I 
can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I really am? 
on 9?


Chris.
Chris.

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To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!



Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?

On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:

Hello,
I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
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Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!




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Re: My thoughts on the Apple Public Beta Program

2015-08-02 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu

Well I suppose the biggest counterargument to that is that a Mac has more 
processing power, bandwidth and listening capability to an iPhone. So it’s 
conceivable that the results would naturally be better, regardless. I’m always 
surprised just how good the results are compared to my phone, anyway.

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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Ray Foret Jr

I am happy to see you beat me to it.  Many thanks.

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in

> On Aug 1, 2015, at 10:39 PM, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
> public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
> least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
> apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
> This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
> Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
> blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
> Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!
> 
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the least 
and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind your own 
business and let others do what they are going to do. I just don't appreciate 
that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. Publicly being rude and 
nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Aleeha wrote:
> 
> In order to join this group, you must be running at
>> least one of the betas.
> 
> And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
> betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?
> 
> Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so I 
> can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I really am? 
> on 9?
> 
> Chris.
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Chris" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
> Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
> 
> 
>> Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?
>> 
>>> On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
>>> public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
>>> least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
>>> apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
>>> Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
>>> blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
>>> Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!
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Re: QuickNav Commands question

The original sender wanted a one key command, which is not possible to create, 
unfortunately.

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> On Aug 1, 2015, at 12:19 PM, george b  wrote:
> 
> It is built in
> 
> Push both the left and right arrows at the same time and you get quick nav on 
> and the same for off
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Finley
> Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2015 08:07
> To: macvisionaries 
> Subject: QuickNav Commands question
> 
> I would like to set a single key toggle to turn quickNav  on and off. I 
> understand how to set up quickNav and keyboard commanders and have 
> successfully done both.  But I cannot locate a command for  toggling quickNav 
> on or off.  Am I missing something or does this  command not exist?
> 
> A second related question, when adding QN commands there is a checkbox for 
> enabling/disabling the left/right arrow key toggle. If one disables that, 
> what is the alternative?  Thank you.
> 
> Sandy
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Re: youtube to mp3 no longer seems to work.

YouTube is blocking a lot of these converters. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 1, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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> all dimmed.  Has it stopped working, or are the options to convert these 
> videos becoming fewer?
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

That is fine 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2015, at 2:56 AM, Chris  wrote:
> 
> Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?
> 
>> On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
>> public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
>> least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
>> apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
>> Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
>> blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
>> Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

OK, I apologize.  Maybe, admittedly that was a little bit harsh how I said 
things, I'll give you credit there, and again, for that, I apologize, but 
that being said, do you really honestly think that you're going to be able 
to verify that each person claming they're running the beta is really doing 
so?


Again, don't take this rudely, if you do, then I'm sorry, but the cold 
truth, whether you wanna hear it or not is, be a bit realistic here.  I'm 
not trying to bash you here, though it may seem that way.  I'm just simply 
asking what I feel to be a valid question.  Again, the way I did so 
initially probably was quite rude, I'll confess, guilty as charged, but do 
you really? mean to tell me that you plan to verify every single person who 
subscribes?  Really?


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Aleeha Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind your 
own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just don't 
appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. Publicly 
being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate.


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Aleeha wrote:

In order to join this group, you must be running at

least one of the betas.


And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?


Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so I 
can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I really 
am? on 9?


Chris.
Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Chris" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!



Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?


On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
Hello,
I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!


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Re: youtube to mp3 no longer seems to work.

2015-08-02 Thread Pamela Francis

Try this one,
youtube-mp3.org 

Pam Francis

On Aug 2, 2015, at 7:07 AM, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:

YouTube is blocking a lot of these converters. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 1, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> I've been using mediahuman's youtube to mp3 converter for ages, and love it, 
> but now whenever I paste a link from youtube, the options to do anything are 
> all dimmed.  Has it stopped working, or are the options to convert these 
> videos becoming fewer?
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Daniel Miller

Wow…cut the poor girl some slack? She’s only trying to give users of the public 
betas a place to discuss things that are confidential, and that shouldn’t be 
discussed on this list.
> On Aug 2, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> OK, I apologize.  Maybe, admittedly that was a little bit harsh how I said 
> things, I'll give you credit there, and again, for that, I apologize, but 
> that being said, do you really honestly think that you're going to be able to 
> verify that each person claming they're running the beta is really doing so?
> 
> Again, don't take this rudely, if you do, then I'm sorry, but the cold truth, 
> whether you wanna hear it or not is, be a bit realistic here.  I'm not trying 
> to bash you here, though it may seem that way.  I'm just simply asking what I 
> feel to be a valid question.  Again, the way I did so initially probably was 
> quite rude, I'll confess, guilty as charged, but do you really? mean to tell 
> me that you plan to verify every single person who subscribes?  Really?
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 8:02 AM
> Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
> 
> 
> I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
> least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind your 
> own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just don't 
> appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. Publicly 
> being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Aleeha wrote:
>> 
>> In order to join this group, you must be running at
>>> least one of the betas.
>> 
>> And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
>> betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?
>> 
>> Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so I 
>> can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I really am? 
>> on 9?
>> 
>> Chris.
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Chris" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
>> Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?
>>> 
 On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
 Hello,
 I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
 public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
 apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
 This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
 Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
 blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
 Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

As I said earlier.  I may have, and probably did, over-react a bit.  This 
being said though, honestly speaking, as I said, I just don't see how she's 
gonna enforce the rule that you must be running the beta to get on the list. 
Anyone could BS and say, I'm running it, when they're really not, then, 
could turn around get on the list, find out things thanks to them faking 
that they're running it, then once they know these things, turn around and 
blab them where they don't belong.


Am I way way way way way! over paranoid?  Yes.  Probably.  But do you 
not see where I'm coming from?  As you said, cut the lady some slack, I say 
the same to you about me as well.  Was I maybe a bit rude in how I said 
things?  Yes.  I'm willing to give yall that, but really think about it.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Daniel Miller" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


Wow…cut the poor girl some slack? She’s only trying to give users of the 
public betas a place to discuss things that are confidential, and that 
shouldn’t be discussed on this list.
On Aug 2, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


OK, I apologize.  Maybe, admittedly that was a little bit harsh how I said 
things, I'll give you credit there, and again, for that, I apologize, but 
that being said, do you really honestly think that you're going to be able 
to verify that each person claming they're running the beta is really 
doing so?


Again, don't take this rudely, if you do, then I'm sorry, but the cold 
truth, whether you wanna hear it or not is, be a bit realistic here.  I'm 
not trying to bash you here, though it may seem that way.  I'm just simply 
asking what I feel to be a valid question.  Again, the way I did so 
initially probably was quite rude, I'll confess, guilty as charged, but do 
you really? mean to tell me that you plan to verify every single person 
who subscribes?  Really?


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley" 


To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind 
your own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just 
don't appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. 
Publicly being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate.


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Aleeha wrote:

In order to join this group, you must be running at

least one of the betas.


And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?


Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so 
I can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I 
really am? on 9?


Chris.
Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Chris" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!



Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?


On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
Hello,
I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!


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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread E.T.


Chis,
   Cut us all some slack and zip that potty mouth of yours and start 
showing some class. You know well you were past rude here. And 
apologizing and then saying But... makes your apologies worthless.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 8/2/2015 6:10 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

As I said earlier.  I may have, and probably did, over-react a bit.
This being said though, honestly speaking, as I said, I just don't see
how she's gonna enforce the rule that you must be running the beta to
get on the list. Anyone could BS and say, I'm running it, when they're
really not, then, could turn around get on the list, find out things
thanks to them faking that they're running it, then once they know these
things, turn around and blab them where they don't belong.

Am I way way way way way! over paranoid?  Yes.  Probably.  But do
you not see where I'm coming from?  As you said, cut the lady some
slack, I say the same to you about me as well.  Was I maybe a bit rude
in how I said things?  Yes.  I'm willing to give yall that, but really
think about it.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Daniel Miller" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


Wow…cut the poor girl some slack? She’s only trying to give users of the
public betas a place to discuss things that are confidential, and that
shouldn’t be discussed on this list.

On Aug 2, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
 wrote:

OK, I apologize.  Maybe, admittedly that was a little bit harsh how I
said things, I'll give you credit there, and again, for that, I
apologize, but that being said, do you really honestly think that
you're going to be able to verify that each person claming they're
running the beta is really doing so?

Again, don't take this rudely, if you do, then I'm sorry, but the cold
truth, whether you wanna hear it or not is, be a bit realistic here.
I'm not trying to bash you here, though it may seem that way.  I'm
just simply asking what I feel to be a valid question.  Again, the way
I did so initially probably was quite rude, I'll confess, guilty as
charged, but do you really? mean to tell me that you plan to verify
every single person who subscribes?  Really?

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley"

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in
the least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to
mind your own business and let others do what they are going to do. I
just don't appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one
thing. Publicly being rude and nasty to me is something that I will
not tolerate.

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
 wrote:

Aleeha wrote:

In order to join this group, you must be running at

least one of the betas.


And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running
the betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?

Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just
so I can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if
I really am? on 9?

Chris.
Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Chris" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!



Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?


On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
Hello,
I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!


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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

Ooo! Little Mrs/Mr. not sure which you are, nor care, wants to preach at me 
now.  good one!

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "E.T." 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!

Chis,
   Cut us all some slack and zip that potty mouth of yours and start
showing some class. You know well you were past rude here. And
apologizing and then saying But... makes your apologies worthless.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 8/2/2015 6:10 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

As I said earlier.  I may have, and probably did, over-react a bit.
This being said though, honestly speaking, as I said, I just don't see
how she's gonna enforce the rule that you must be running the beta to
get on the list. Anyone could BS and say, I'm running it, when they're
really not, then, could turn around get on the list, find out things
thanks to them faking that they're running it, then once they know these
things, turn around and blab them where they don't belong.

Am I way way way way way! over paranoid?  Yes.  Probably.  But do
you not see where I'm coming from?  As you said, cut the lady some
slack, I say the same to you about me as well.  Was I maybe a bit rude
in how I said things?  Yes.  I'm willing to give yall that, but really
think about it.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Daniel Miller" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!

Wow…cut the poor girl some slack? She’s only trying to give users of the
public betas a place to discuss things that are confidential, and that
shouldn’t be discussed on this list.

On Aug 2, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
 wrote:

OK, I apologize.  Maybe, admittedly that was a little bit harsh how I
said things, I'll give you credit there, and again, for that, I
apologize, but that being said, do you really honestly think that
you're going to be able to verify that each person claming they're
running the beta is really doing so?

Again, don't take this rudely, if you do, then I'm sorry, but the cold
truth, whether you wanna hear it or not is, be a bit realistic here.
I'm not trying to bash you here, though it may seem that way.  I'm
just simply asking what I feel to be a valid question.  Again, the way
I did so initially probably was quite rude, I'll confess, guilty as
charged, but do you really? mean to tell me that you plan to verify
every single person who subscribes?  Really?

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley"

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!

I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in
the least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to
mind your own business and let others do what they are going to do. I
just don't appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one
thing. Publicly being rude and nasty to me is something that I will
not tolerate.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
 wrote:

Aleeha wrote:

In order to join this group, you must be running at

least one of the betas.

And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running
the betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?

Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just
so I can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if
I really am? on 9?

Chris.
Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Chris" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!

Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?

On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
Hello,
I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!

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Re: Please help with backspace issue. Step by step instructions needed

2015-08-02 Thread Phil Halton

I believe that another way to do a forward delete is by adding the function key 
to the backspace key. That's what I've always done, and I had forgotten all 
about control D. 

Sent from my IPhone


> On Aug 1, 2015, at 9:57 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I think I'm missing something. Backspace will *always* do that, there's no 
> easy way of altering that. Right now, if I type the letter T and then 
> backspace, that T is gone and VoiceOver says "T" along with a beep (the beep 
> only because I have sounds enabled for deleting). What happens when you hit 
> backspace? To be clear, we're talking about the key above the backslash and 
> below F12 and Eject, right? You can do a forward delete, but you have to 
> press ctrl-d, and I doubt that's the keystroke you're using. 
> 
>  You can On Aug 1, 2015, at 9:52 PM, Stacey Robinson 
>  wrote:
>> 
>> Alex If I check this box, when I backspace will it delete the letter or 
>> number I just typed?
>> 
>> Blessings,
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>  
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>> 
>>> On Aug 1, 2015, at 5:46 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is the issue backspacing, or arrowing? You can't change what the backspace 
>>> key does in the VO Utility, but you can set the arrow keys to do a couple 
>>> different things. By default, VO tells you what you've just moved past, 
>>> which is why it will repeat the same character over and over if you hit 
>>> left arrow, then right, then left, then right… You keep moving past the 
>>> same thing, and VO reports exactly that. Once you get it, this system makes 
>>> more sense, at least to me. You can configure it differently, but I 
>>> honestly get confused when I try to use Windows screen readers nowadays, 
>>> since I am more easily lost in the text than I am on the Mac or iOS.
>>> 
>>> If you want things to work how they do in Windows, head to the VO utility 
>>> with vo-f8. Select the Verbosity item in the categories table, then 
>>> vo-right to the list of tabs. Vo-space on the 'text' tab, then vo-right or 
>>> tab until you find the "while typing speak" popup. Hit vo-space, use the 
>>> arrows to choose "speak text to the right of the cursor", then vo-space to 
>>> confirm. You may now close the VoiceOver Utility. I hope this does what you 
>>> want; if not, something else may have been configured on your old Mac that 
>>> I'm not thinking of.
 On Aug 1, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Stacey Robinson  
 wrote:
 
 Hi I wrote about this before but I need more help.
 I want to set vo so that it will backspace over the letter or number 
  that the cursor is just in in front of. I don’t know what checkboxes to 
 check or uncheck in vo utilitiesl bessings,
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
 
 I’ve left in the above Mistakes so you can see  what I mean.
 
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Phil Halton

Who would want to do that Chris? Honestly, what's with all the Snark? We're all 
adults here, for the most part, and that potential issue will take care of 
itself.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Aleeha wrote:
> 
> In order to join this group, you must be running at
>> least one of the betas.
> 
> And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
> betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?
> 
> Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so I 
> can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I really am? 
> on 9?
> 
> Chris.
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Chris" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
> Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
> 
> 
>> Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?
>> 
>>> On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
>>> public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
>>> least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
>>> apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
>>> Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
>>> blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
>>> Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

Just ignore him. He's generally a dick where a lot of things are
concerned. Don't take it personally.

On 8/2/2015 1:02 PM, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
> I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
> least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind your 
> own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just don't 
> appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. Publicly 
> being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Aleeha wrote:
>>
>> In order to join this group, you must be running at
>>> least one of the betas.
>>
>> And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
>> betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?
>>
>> Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so I 
>> can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I really am? 
>> on 9?
>>
>> Chris.
>> Chris.
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Chris" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
>> Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
>>
>>
>>> Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?
>>>
 On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
 Hello,
 I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
 public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
 apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
 This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
 Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
 blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
 Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!
>>>
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Re: youtube to mp3 no longer seems to work.

not only that, but the Youtube API changes, and if apps don't get updated, 
they'll stop working. Same goes for that darn Translate app I paid $1 for on 
the Mac, which didn't work.

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> On Aug 2, 2015, at 7:07 AM, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
> 
> YouTube is blocking a lot of these converters. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 1, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> I've been using mediahuman's youtube to mp3 converter for ages, and love it, 
>> but now whenever I paste a link from youtube, the options to do anything are 
>> all dimmed.  Has it stopped working, or are the options to convert these 
>> videos becoming fewer?
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Re: youtube to mp3 no longer seems to work.

If it's really important for you to grab youtube videos, why not use
Audiohyjack and record the stream?
Yes it takes forever, but it's better than being bombarded by ridiculous
ads.

On 8/2/2015 3:43 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
> not only that, but the Youtube API changes, and if apps don't get updated, 
> they'll stop working. Same goes for that darn Translate app I paid $1 for on 
> the Mac, which didn't work.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 7:07 AM, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
>>
>> YouTube is blocking a lot of these converters. 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 1, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>>
>>> I've been using mediahuman's youtube to mp3 converter for ages, and love 
>>> it, but now whenever I paste a link from youtube, the options to do 
>>> anything are all dimmed.  Has it stopped working, or are the options to 
>>> convert these videos becoming fewer?
>>>
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RE: apple beta discussion group created!

You all need to just understand he just likes attention someone should sign him 
up on facebook and maybe he will not pester us any more

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Phil Halton
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 07:38
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!

Who would want to do that Chris? Honestly, what's with all the Snark? We're all 
adults here, for the most part, and that potential issue will take care of 
itself.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Aleeha wrote:
> 
> In order to join this group, you must be running at
>> least one of the betas.
> 
> And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
> betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?
> 
> Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so I 
> can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I really am? 
> on 9?
> 
> Chris.
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Chris" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
> Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
> 
> 
>> Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?
>> 
>>> On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
>>> public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
>>> least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
>>> apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
>>> Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
>>> blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
>>> Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

And now we are feeding patrol. Let's all just shut up and deal with it.

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 2, 2015, at 10:43 AM, Shaf  wrote:
> 
> Just ignore him. He's generally a dick where a lot of things are
> concerned. Don't take it personally.
> 
>> On 8/2/2015 1:02 PM, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
>> I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
>> least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind your 
>> own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just don't 
>> appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. Publicly 
>> being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Aleeha wrote:
>>> 
>>> In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas.
>>> 
>>> And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
>>> betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?
>>> 
>>> Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so I 
>>> can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I really 
>>> am? on 9?
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Chris" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
>>> Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
>>> 
>>> 
 Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?
 
> On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
> Hello,
> I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
> public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
> least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
> apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
> This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
> Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
> blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
> Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!
 
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!


Wrong!  I follow rules

Get over it!

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Shaf" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


Just ignore him. He's generally a dick where a lot of things are
concerned. Don't take it personally.

On 8/2/2015 1:02 PM, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind 
your own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just 
don't appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. 
Publicly being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate.


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Aleeha wrote:

In order to join this group, you must be running at

least one of the betas.


And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?


Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so 
I can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I 
really am? on 9?


Chris.
Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Chris" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!



Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?


On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
Hello,
I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!


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Re: has voiceover stopped stop speaking in the latest beta?

2015-08-02 Thread matthew dyer

Hi,  write me off list if you are using the beta  and we can talk about it.  I 
do not wish to break the NDA on this list.


> On Aug 1, 2015, at 7:09 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Surely you know you can to others in the public beta. Public beta group, 
> anyone? This could all be settled easily. *sighs* 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 1, 2015, at 4:48 PM, Ray Foret Jr  > wrote:
> 
>> Surely you know that we cannot answer that.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> 
>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac,
>> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>> 
>>> On Aug 1, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Devin Prater >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all. Does anyone know if voiceover works better in beta 3 of El Capitan? 
>>> I'm wondering because it still stops speaking just the same in beta 2. ?  
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

Who's really the troll here?  I made one! Literally! One? comment, and you 
idiots blew it outta perportion!


I'm sorry that you don't agree with my way of thinking, but I apologized for 
my little outburst this morning!  You know what though, as rude as you 
all're being in return, I wonder if my apology should have been made to 
start with!  Frankly, E T is right! There isn't a need, as frankly, no 
longer am! I sorry!  If you all wanna list to break the Apple terms of 
service, go for it!  But be sure to ban me while you're at it, as frankly, I 
have no intrest in joining a group consisting of bed-wetting 
children/whiners!


You hear something you don't like, and you immediately then initiate the 
chinwag of, he's a dick, he's a troll, etc. etc.


It takes one to know one!  That's all I'll say.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Aleeha Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


And now we are feeding patrol. Let's all just shut up and deal with it.

Sent from my iPad


On Aug 2, 2015, at 10:43 AM, Shaf  wrote:

Just ignore him. He's generally a dick where a lot of things are
concerned. Don't take it personally.


On 8/2/2015 1:02 PM, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind 
your own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just 
don't appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. 
Publicly being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not 
tolerate.


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Aleeha wrote:

In order to join this group, you must be running at

least one of the betas.


And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running 
the betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?


Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so 
I can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I 
really am? on 9?


Chris.
Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Chris" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!



Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?


On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
Hello,
I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!


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Re: Xcode: adding navigation bars and bar buttons

2015-08-02 Thread Barry Hadder



Hi,


First, you would embed the view controller in a navigation controller from 
the editor menu.

You should then find a navigation item in the controller seen when you 
expand the controller.  You set the title of the bar in it’s inspector and 
make connections as well.  In the connections inspector, drag from one of 
it’s outlets, e.g., backBarButtonItem, leftBarButtonItem, 
rightBarButtonItem to the bar button you dragged to that seen.
On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 1:52:56 AM UTC-5, Venkatesh Potluri wrote:
>
> Hi, 
> Using voice over, I typically add labels, buttons and text fields by 
> dragging them from the library to the document outlin in the Interface 
> builder.  I change the attributes such as the title, label text, et cetera 
> using the attributes inspector. However, I am unable to change the title of 
> the navigation bar in this way. How do I do that? Is dragging a bar button 
> on to the navigation bar in the document outline the correct way to add bar 
> buttons to the navigation bar? 
> Thank you. 
> Regards, 
> Venkatesh 
>
> Sent from my iPhone

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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

You know what? I was being fairly nice to you, given your treatment of me. But, 
as someone mentioned earlier, your apology isn't really one, because you place 
the word but after it. Which means you were completely disregarding everything 
you just said. And I don't care to be treated like this. I've not done anything 
wrong, and you need to shut your mouth.

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Who's really the troll here?  I made one! Literally! One? comment, and you 
> idiots blew it outta perportion!
> 
> I'm sorry that you don't agree with my way of thinking, but I apologized for 
> my little outburst this morning!  You know what though, as rude as you all're 
> being in return, I wonder if my apology should have been made to start with!  
> Frankly, E T is right! There isn't a need, as frankly, no longer am! I sorry! 
>  If you all wanna list to break the Apple terms of service, go for it!  But 
> be sure to ban me while you're at it, as frankly, I have no intrest in 
> joining a group consisting of bed-wetting children/whiners!
> 
> You hear something you don't like, and you immediately then initiate the 
> chinwag of, he's a dick, he's a troll, etc. etc.
> 
> It takes one to know one!  That's all I'll say.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 10:54 AM
> Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
> 
> 
> And now we are feeding patrol. Let's all just shut up and deal with it.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 10:43 AM, Shaf  wrote:
>> 
>> Just ignore him. He's generally a dick where a lot of things are
>> concerned. Don't take it personally.
>> 
>>> On 8/2/2015 1:02 PM, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
>>> I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
>>> least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind 
>>> your own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just don't 
>>> appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. Publicly 
>>> being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
 
 Aleeha wrote:
 
 In order to join this group, you must be running at
> least one of the betas.
 
 And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
 betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?
 
 Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so I 
 can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I really 
 am? on 9?
 
 Chris.
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: "Chris" 
 To: 
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
 Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
 
 
> Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?
> 
>> On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
>> public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
>> least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
>> apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
>> Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
>> blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
>> Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!
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Re: Please help with backspace issue. Step by step instructions needed

2015-08-02 Thread Alex Hall

Really? I never knew that. Actually, I feel like I did, but I'd forgotten 
completely. Thanks for the reminder-that's way easier to hit than ctrl-d.
> On Aug 2, 2015, at 10:32 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I believe that another way to do a forward delete is by adding the function 
> key to the backspace key. That's what I've always done, and I had forgotten 
> all about control D. 
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
> On Aug 1, 2015, at 9:57 PM, Alex Hall  > wrote:
> 
>> I think I'm missing something. Backspace will *always* do that, there's no 
>> easy way of altering that. Right now, if I type the letter T and then 
>> backspace, that T is gone and VoiceOver says "T" along with a beep (the beep 
>> only because I have sounds enabled for deleting). What happens when you hit 
>> backspace? To be clear, we're talking about the key above the backslash and 
>> below F12 and Eject, right? You can do a forward delete, but you have to 
>> press ctrl-d, and I doubt that's the keystroke you're using. 
>> 
>>  You can On Aug 1, 2015, at 9:52 PM, Stacey Robinson 
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Alex If I check this box, when I backspace will it delete the letter or 
>>> number I just typed?
>>> 
>>> Blessings,
>>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>> 
>>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net 
 On Aug 1, 2015, at 5:46 PM, Alex Hall >>> > wrote:
 
 Is the issue backspacing, or arrowing? You can't change what the backspace 
 key does in the VO Utility, but you can set the arrow keys to do a couple 
 different things. By default, VO tells you what you've just moved past, 
 which is why it will repeat the same character over and over if you hit 
 left arrow, then right, then left, then right… You keep moving past the 
 same thing, and VO reports exactly that. Once you get it, this system 
 makes more sense, at least to me. You can configure it differently, but I 
 honestly get confused when I try to use Windows screen readers nowadays, 
 since I am more easily lost in the text than I am on the Mac or iOS.
 
 If you want things to work how they do in Windows, head to the VO utility 
 with vo-f8. Select the Verbosity item in the categories table, then 
 vo-right to the list of tabs. Vo-space on the 'text' tab, then vo-right or 
 tab until you find the "while typing speak" popup. Hit vo-space, use the 
 arrows to choose "speak text to the right of the cursor", then vo-space to 
 confirm. You may now close the VoiceOver Utility. I hope this does what 
 you want; if not, something else may have been configured on your old Mac 
 that I'm not thinking of.
> On Aug 1, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Stacey Robinson  > wrote:
> 
> Hi I wrote about this before but I need more help.
> I want to set vo so that it will backspace over the letter or number 
>  that the cursor is just in in front of. I don’t know what checkboxes to 
> check or uncheck in vo utilitiesl bessings,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>   
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net 
> I’ve left in the above Mistakes so you can see  what I mean.
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

I frankly know you haven't done anything wrong, and that's why I apologised. 
You took the quote, but, part totally out of context.  I said what I said, 
and had you actually taken the time to read my message, you'd a known that. 
Just for the record, I said I was sorry for coming across so rudely.  I 
totally agree initially that I over reacted in how I presented my original 
question.  This said however, I'm not sorry for the question itself.  That's 
all I meant by the but thing.  I'm sorry for how I treated you, but not for 
my initial question.  Is that too hard for you to grasp?


Look, you created a list.  I don't agree with it, I think you're violating 
the NDA, I've never once seen where it says you can discuss it publicly or 
with other testers outside the community forums, and each time I challenge 
any of you to show me where it says that, you say go read the terms.  I have 
done so time after time after time and don't see any reference, and none of 
you ever take me up on my challenge, and show me word per word where it says 
this is ok.  The point is, you obviously don't like me, you don't appreciate 
me, so why do you keep writing me!  If I really am a troll as you say, then 
grow up, move on, leave me alone, and quit getting the last word for Christ 
sake!  I said initially I was sorry, but then you had to come back with your 
remark that I went against what I said initially, which you damn well know 
isn't true!


If you don't want to hear my comments, then block me, as frankly, I'm tired 
of the bullshit!  I made one? comment, is it really worth this much list 
drama that you guys are producing?  Get over it!  Move on!  The fat lady 
sang!


You all keep complaining about me, and saying just ignore me.  If you wanna 
be mature, then practice what you preach!


Chris.

OK, now, rant aside, back to Apple! related things for pete sakes!

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Aleeha Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


You know what? I was being fairly nice to you, given your treatment of me. 
But, as someone mentioned earlier, your apology isn't really one, because 
you place the word but after it. Which means you were completely 
disregarding everything you just said. And I don't care to be treated like 
this. I've not done anything wrong, and you need to shut your mouth.


Sent from my iPad

On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Who's really the troll here?  I made one! Literally! One? comment, and you 
idiots blew it outta perportion!


I'm sorry that you don't agree with my way of thinking, but I apologized 
for my little outburst this morning!  You know what though, as rude as you 
all're being in return, I wonder if my apology should have been made to 
start with!  Frankly, E T is right! There isn't a need, as frankly, no 
longer am! I sorry!  If you all wanna list to break the Apple terms of 
service, go for it!  But be sure to ban me while you're at it, as frankly, 
I have no intrest in joining a group consisting of bed-wetting 
children/whiners!


You hear something you don't like, and you immediately then initiate the 
chinwag of, he's a dick, he's a troll, etc. etc.


It takes one to know one!  That's all I'll say.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley" 


To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


And now we are feeding patrol. Let's all just shut up and deal with it.

Sent from my iPad


On Aug 2, 2015, at 10:43 AM, Shaf  wrote:

Just ignore him. He's generally a dick where a lot of things are
concerned. Don't take it personally.


On 8/2/2015 1:02 PM, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind 
your own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just 
don't appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. 
Publicly being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not 
tolerate.


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Aleeha wrote:

In order to join this group, you must be running at

least one of the betas.


And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running 
the betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?


Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just 
so I can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I 
really am? on 9?


Chris.
Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Chris" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!



Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?


On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
Hello,
I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
least one of the betas. To j

Deleting email accounts to start fresh on the MacBook pro

2015-08-02 Thread Mickey Quenzer

Hello:
I am running OS X on my MacBook Pro.
Could someone please explain how to delete mailboxes so I can start fresh?
I very much appreciate this thank you!

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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

Your problem is that you're always like that. You get your snarky message out, 
and then you apologize afterwards, like you mean it. I have trouble believing 
that you actually mean it. Like your last message, berating me, you just seem 
to say things in a mean way and not care. So yes, I read your email, but I'm 
not sure I believe it.

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> I frankly know you haven't done anything wrong, and that's why I apologised. 
> You took the quote, but, part totally out of context.  I said what I said, 
> and had you actually taken the time to read my message, you'd a known that. 
> Just for the record, I said I was sorry for coming across so rudely.  I 
> totally agree initially that I over reacted in how I presented my original 
> question.  This said however, I'm not sorry for the question itself.  That's 
> all I meant by the but thing.  I'm sorry for how I treated you, but not for 
> my initial question.  Is that too hard for you to grasp?
> 
> Look, you created a list.  I don't agree with it, I think you're violating 
> the NDA, I've never once seen where it says you can discuss it publicly or 
> with other testers outside the community forums, and each time I challenge 
> any of you to show me where it says that, you say go read the terms.  I have 
> done so time after time after time and don't see any reference, and none of 
> you ever take me up on my challenge, and show me word per word where it says 
> this is ok.  The point is, you obviously don't like me, you don't appreciate 
> me, so why do you keep writing me!  If I really am a troll as you say, then 
> grow up, move on, leave me alone, and quit getting the last word for Christ 
> sake!  I said initially I was sorry, but then you had to come back with your 
> remark that I went against what I said initially, which you damn well know 
> isn't true!
> 
> If you don't want to hear my comments, then block me, as frankly, I'm tired 
> of the bullshit!  I made one? comment, is it really worth this much list 
> drama that you guys are producing?  Get over it!  Move on!  The fat lady sang!
> 
> You all keep complaining about me, and saying just ignore me.  If you wanna 
> be mature, then practice what you preach!
> 
> Chris.
> 
> OK, now, rant aside, back to Apple! related things for pete sakes!
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:06 AM
> Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
> 
> 
> You know what? I was being fairly nice to you, given your treatment of me. 
> But, as someone mentioned earlier, your apology isn't really one, because you 
> place the word but after it. Which means you were completely disregarding 
> everything you just said. And I don't care to be treated like this. I've not 
> done anything wrong, and you need to shut your mouth.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Who's really the troll here?  I made one! Literally! One? comment, and you 
>> idiots blew it outta perportion!
>> 
>> I'm sorry that you don't agree with my way of thinking, but I apologized for 
>> my little outburst this morning!  You know what though, as rude as you 
>> all're being in return, I wonder if my apology should have been made to 
>> start with!  Frankly, E T is right! There isn't a need, as frankly, no 
>> longer am! I sorry!  If you all wanna list to break the Apple terms of 
>> service, go for it!  But be sure to ban me while you're at it, as frankly, I 
>> have no intrest in joining a group consisting of bed-wetting 
>> children/whiners!
>> 
>> You hear something you don't like, and you immediately then initiate the 
>> chinwag of, he's a dick, he's a troll, etc. etc.
>> 
>> It takes one to know one!  That's all I'll say.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 10:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
>> 
>> 
>> And now we are feeding patrol. Let's all just shut up and deal with it.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 10:43 AM, Shaf  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just ignore him. He's generally a dick where a lot of things are
>>> concerned. Don't take it personally.
>>> 
 On 8/2/2015 1:02 PM, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
 I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
 least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind 
 your own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just 
 don't appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. 
 Publicly being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> Aleeha wrote:
> 
> In order to join this group, you must be running at
>> least one of the

Re: Deleting email accounts to start fresh on the MacBook pro


Command+comma
Interact with toolbar
Accounts tab
interact with table
Find account to delete
remove button
There.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Mickey Quenzer" 

To: "Mac Visionary" 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:18 AM
Subject: Deleting email accounts to start fresh on the MacBook pro



Hello:
I am running OS X on my MacBook Pro.
Could someone please explain how to delete mailboxes so I can start fresh?
I very much appreciate this thank you!

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Re: apple beta discussion group created!


And, that's my problem that you don't believe it, why?

I can't force you to accept my apology, nor will I try.  I said I was sorry, 
but if you don't wanna believe it, then so be it!  I'm not going to continue 
arguing this.


I said what I said.  Either believe it, or don't, but don't keep beating the 
dead horse in its nuts!


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Aleeha Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


Your problem is that you're always like that. You get your snarky message 
out, and then you apologize afterwards, like you mean it. I have trouble 
believing that you actually mean it. Like your last message, berating me, 
you just seem to say things in a mean way and not care. So yes, I read your 
email, but I'm not sure I believe it.


Sent from my iPad

On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


I frankly know you haven't done anything wrong, and that's why I 
apologised. You took the quote, but, part totally out of context.  I said 
what I said, and had you actually taken the time to read my message, you'd 
a known that. Just for the record, I said I was sorry for coming across so 
rudely.  I totally agree initially that I over reacted in how I presented 
my original question.  This said however, I'm not sorry for the question 
itself.  That's all I meant by the but thing.  I'm sorry for how I treated 
you, but not for my initial question.  Is that too hard for you to grasp?


Look, you created a list.  I don't agree with it, I think you're violating 
the NDA, I've never once seen where it says you can discuss it publicly or 
with other testers outside the community forums, and each time I challenge 
any of you to show me where it says that, you say go read the terms.  I 
have done so time after time after time and don't see any reference, and 
none of you ever take me up on my challenge, and show me word per word 
where it says this is ok.  The point is, you obviously don't like me, you 
don't appreciate me, so why do you keep writing me!  If I really am a 
troll as you say, then grow up, move on, leave me alone, and quit getting 
the last word for Christ sake!  I said initially I was sorry, but then you 
had to come back with your remark that I went against what I said 
initially, which you damn well know isn't true!


If you don't want to hear my comments, then block me, as frankly, I'm 
tired of the bullshit!  I made one? comment, is it really worth this much 
list drama that you guys are producing?  Get over it!  Move on!  The fat 
lady sang!


You all keep complaining about me, and saying just ignore me.  If you 
wanna be mature, then practice what you preach!


Chris.

OK, now, rant aside, back to Apple! related things for pete sakes!

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley" 


To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


You know what? I was being fairly nice to you, given your treatment of me. 
But, as someone mentioned earlier, your apology isn't really one, because 
you place the word but after it. Which means you were completely 
disregarding everything you just said. And I don't care to be treated like 
this. I've not done anything wrong, and you need to shut your mouth.


Sent from my iPad

On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Who's really the troll here?  I made one! Literally! One? comment, and 
you idiots blew it outta perportion!


I'm sorry that you don't agree with my way of thinking, but I apologized 
for my little outburst this morning!  You know what though, as rude as 
you all're being in return, I wonder if my apology should have been made 
to start with!  Frankly, E T is right! There isn't a need, as frankly, no 
longer am! I sorry!  If you all wanna list to break the Apple terms of 
service, go for it!  But be sure to ban me while you're at it, as 
frankly, I have no intrest in joining a group consisting of bed-wetting 
children/whiners!


You hear something you don't like, and you immediately then initiate the 
chinwag of, he's a dick, he's a troll, etc. etc.


It takes one to know one!  That's all I'll say.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley" 


To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


And now we are feeding patrol. Let's all just shut up and deal with it.

Sent from my iPad


On Aug 2, 2015, at 10:43 AM, Shaf  wrote:

Just ignore him. He's generally a dick where a lot of things are
concerned. Don't take it personally.


On 8/2/2015 1:02 PM, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in 
the least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to 
mind your own business and let others do what they are going to do. I 
just don't appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one 
thing. Publicly being rude and nasty to me is something t

Re: Deleting email accounts to start fresh on the MacBook pro

2015-08-02 Thread Mickey Quenzer

Thanks Christopher:
I appreciate that quick exclamation.
My mind isn't quite on the Mac at this point there's just things I need to do 
so thanks for the quick!.

*** Mickey Quenzer ***
*** Assistive Technology Training And Consulting Services LLC ***
*** Web site: http://www.attacs.net ***
*** Phone: 541-218-3975 ***

> On Aug 2, 2015, at 8:20 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Command+comma
> Interact with toolbar
> Accounts tab
> interact with table
> Find account to delete
> remove button
> There.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Mickey Quenzer" 
> To: "Mac Visionary" 
> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:18 AM
> Subject: Deleting email accounts to start fresh on the MacBook pro
> 
> 
>> Hello:
>> I am running OS X on my MacBook Pro.
>> Could someone please explain how to delete mailboxes so I can start fresh?
>> I very much appreciate this thank you!
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Re: Deleting email accounts to start fresh on the MacBook pro

You're more than welcome.

Let me know if you need further assistance, or for me to be ***Off list*** more 
specific.

I really don't care to elaborate more publicly on list.  You're welcome to 
write me off list though.

clgillan...@gmail.com

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mickey Quenzer 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:24 AM
  Subject: Re: Deleting email accounts to start fresh on the MacBook pro


  Thanks Christopher:
  I appreciate that quick exclamation.
  My mind isn't quite on the Mac at this point there's just things I need to do 
so thanks for the quick!.


  *** Mickey Quenzer ***
  *** Assistive Technology Training And Consulting Services LLC ***
  *** Web site: http://www.attacs.net ***
  *** Phone: 541-218-3975 ***

  On Aug 2, 2015, at 8:20 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


Command+comma
Interact with toolbar
Accounts tab
interact with table
Find account to delete
remove button
There.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Mickey Quenzer" 

To: "Mac Visionary" 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:18 AM
Subject: Deleting email accounts to start fresh on the MacBook pro



  Hello:

  I am running OS X on my MacBook Pro.

  Could someone please explain how to delete mailboxes so I can start fresh?

  I very much appreciate this thank you!



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Re: Sonos Controler.

2015-08-02 Thread Jürgen Fleger

Hi,
do you have a contact e-mail address? I wasn’t very successful in sending a 
message via the contact form. 
Jürgen


> Am 20.07.2015 um 18:25 schrieb Matthew Janusauskas :
> 
> Sonos does seem to be quite receptive and responsive to accessibility 
> concerns. The more people that contact them directly about it the more likely 
> they are to address the concerns in an upcoming software update.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 7:24 AM, Kevin White  > wrote:
> Thanks for the information. I've played with it some, and while it is
> not an ideal situation for controlling the Sonos playback experience,
> I find that it does meet my needs for basic music library management.
> I hope that the devs incorporate text labels for the buttons as I am
> not confident enough with the interface layout to start setting up
> tags for buttons.
> Best,
> Kevin
> 
> On 7/19/15, Buddy Brannan mailto:bu...@brannan.name>> 
> wrote:
> > If the buttons have hints, can one not label with VO+slash? Not ideal, and
> > certainly we want the dev to fix it, but...?
> >
> > --
> > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> > Phone: 814-860-3194 
> > Mobile: 814-431-0962 
> > Email: bu...@brannan.name 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Jul 19, 2015, at 7:46 PM, Matthew Janusauskas  >> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> While the Sonos controller for Mac does have accessibility hints on many
> >> of the controlls that are helpful when using VoiceOver most of the buttons
> >> and controlls do not actually have text labels which makes it not very
> >> efficient or enjoyable to use unfortunately. Hopefully this will be
> >> improved in the future.
> >>
> >> Matthew
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 7:04 AM, jeff `greene  >> >
> >> wrote:
> >> Hi Kevin, I used to use the sonos controller on the mac but found it
> >> annoying. I installed it then used it to add my audio book library to
> >> it. Then, I used the iphone sonos app to play my audio book library on
> >> the sonos. The one problem I had was the sonos app on the mac kept
> >> trying to send all audio to the sonos speaker even when it was powered
> >> off.
> >> HTH Jeff
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/19/15, Kevin White  >> > wrote:
> >> > Hi there,
> >> > I'm relatively new to the Mac, and am wondering if I will be able to
> >> > use the Sonos controller app with voiceover. I already use it mostly
> >> > on my phone, but I'd like to be able to add my Mac's music library.
> >> > Thanks in Advance for any tips, guidance, or advice.
> >> > Kevin
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Re: word count in text edit

2015-08-02 Thread Paul Erkens

Hi Jim and others,

What a wonderful tip that is. I have been running into mac versus unix files 
since I’m using mac and windows side by side. Word count, sort lines, convert 
from mac to windows formatting etc, wow. Thanks a lot. And for those 
interested: yes, it’s in the mac app store. Still exploring all its 
capabilities.

Hth,
Paul.
> On 31 Jul 2015, at 05:38, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> If you look for an app called word service it will let you install several 
> services that work with many applications and one of them is a word count 
> service.  Also sorting is another handy service that I use quite a bit.
> Jim
> 
>> On Jul 30, 2015, at 10:23 PM, Gabe Griffith  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Is there a way to get a word count for files in text edit? I've looked in 
>> the menus and am not seeing anything.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Gabe
>> 
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Re: has voiceover stopped stop speaking in the latest beta?

2015-08-02 Thread Anders Holmberg

Hi!
Well i  am experiencing that its gone a bit worse.
It cuts off words and stops in middle of text reading.
Safari and vo has also been a bit odd.
I can not use the tab key as much as i could.
/A
> 1 aug. 2015 kl. 21:39 skrev Devin Prater :
> 
> Hi all. Does anyone know if voiceover works better in beta 3 of El Capitan? 
> I'm wondering because it still stops speaking just the same in beta 2. ?  
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Kaveinthran Pulanthran

I think we should stop this, as this is not apple related, please have
your personal controversies offlist,

On 8/2/15, Christopher-Mark Gilland  wrote:
> And, that's my problem that you don't believe it, why?
>
> I can't force you to accept my apology, nor will I try.  I said I was sorry,
>
> but if you don't wanna believe it, then so be it!  I'm not going to continue
>
> arguing this.
>
> I said what I said.  Either believe it, or don't, but don't keep beating the
>
> dead horse in its nuts!
>
> Chris.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Aleeha Dudley" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:20 AM
> Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
>
>
> Your problem is that you're always like that. You get your snarky message
> out, and then you apologize afterwards, like you mean it. I have trouble
> believing that you actually mean it. Like your last message, berating me,
> you just seem to say things in a mean way and not care. So yes, I read your
>
> email, but I'm not sure I believe it.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I frankly know you haven't done anything wrong, and that's why I
>> apologised. You took the quote, but, part totally out of context.  I said
>>
>> what I said, and had you actually taken the time to read my message, you'd
>>
>> a known that. Just for the record, I said I was sorry for coming across so
>>
>> rudely.  I totally agree initially that I over reacted in how I presented
>>
>> my original question.  This said however, I'm not sorry for the question
>> itself.  That's all I meant by the but thing.  I'm sorry for how I treated
>>
>> you, but not for my initial question.  Is that too hard for you to grasp?
>>
>> Look, you created a list.  I don't agree with it, I think you're violating
>>
>> the NDA, I've never once seen where it says you can discuss it publicly or
>>
>> with other testers outside the community forums, and each time I challenge
>>
>> any of you to show me where it says that, you say go read the terms.  I
>> have done so time after time after time and don't see any reference, and
>> none of you ever take me up on my challenge, and show me word per word
>> where it says this is ok.  The point is, you obviously don't like me, you
>>
>> don't appreciate me, so why do you keep writing me!  If I really am a
>> troll as you say, then grow up, move on, leave me alone, and quit getting
>>
>> the last word for Christ sake!  I said initially I was sorry, but then you
>>
>> had to come back with your remark that I went against what I said
>> initially, which you damn well know isn't true!
>>
>> If you don't want to hear my comments, then block me, as frankly, I'm
>> tired of the bullshit!  I made one? comment, is it really worth this much
>>
>> list drama that you guys are producing?  Get over it!  Move on!  The fat
>> lady sang!
>>
>> You all keep complaining about me, and saying just ignore me.  If you
>> wanna be mature, then practice what you preach!
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>> OK, now, rant aside, back to Apple! related things for pete sakes!
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley"
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:06 AM
>> Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
>>
>>
>> You know what? I was being fairly nice to you, given your treatment of me.
>>
>> But, as someone mentioned earlier, your apology isn't really one, because
>>
>> you place the word but after it. Which means you were completely
>> disregarding everything you just said. And I don't care to be treated like
>>
>> this. I've not done anything wrong, and you need to shut your mouth.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Who's really the troll here?  I made one! Literally! One? comment, and
>>> you idiots blew it outta perportion!
>>>
>>> I'm sorry that you don't agree with my way of thinking, but I apologized
>>>
>>> for my little outburst this morning!  You know what though, as rude as
>>> you all're being in return, I wonder if my apology should have been made
>>>
>>> to start with!  Frankly, E T is right! There isn't a need, as frankly, no
>>>
>>> longer am! I sorry!  If you all wanna list to break the Apple terms of
>>> service, go for it!  But be sure to ban me while you're at it, as
>>> frankly, I have no intrest in joining a group consisting of bed-wetting
>>> children/whiners!
>>>
>>> You hear something you don't like, and you immediately then initiate the
>>>
>>> chinwag of, he's a dick, he's a troll, etc. etc.
>>>
>>> It takes one to know one!  That's all I'll say.
>>>
>>> Chris.
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley"
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 10:54 AM
>>> Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
>>>
>>>
>>> And now we are feeding patrol. Let's all just shut up and deal with it.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 10:43 AM, Shaf  wrote:

Re: apple beta discussion group created!

I agree 100%.  Actually I feel this attack never should a started in the 
first place!  I said I was sorry.  Honestly, yall should a dropped it at 
that point.


With all due respect, I'm in agreement here with this poster.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Kaveinthran Pulanthran" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!



I think we should stop this, as this is not apple related, please have
your personal controversies offlist,

On 8/2/15, Christopher-Mark Gilland  wrote:

And, that's my problem that you don't believe it, why?

I can't force you to accept my apology, nor will I try.  I said I was 
sorry,


but if you don't wanna believe it, then so be it!  I'm not going to 
continue


arguing this.

I said what I said.  Either believe it, or don't, but don't keep beating 
the


dead horse in its nuts!

Chris.

- Original Message -
From: "Aleeha Dudley" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


Your problem is that you're always like that. You get your snarky message
out, and then you apologize afterwards, like you mean it. I have trouble
believing that you actually mean it. Like your last message, berating me,
you just seem to say things in a mean way and not care. So yes, I read 
your


email, but I'm not sure I believe it.

Sent from my iPad


On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
 wrote:

I frankly know you haven't done anything wrong, and that's why I
apologised. You took the quote, but, part totally out of context.  I 
said


what I said, and had you actually taken the time to read my message, 
you'd


a known that. Just for the record, I said I was sorry for coming across 
so


rudely.  I totally agree initially that I over reacted in how I 
presented


my original question.  This said however, I'm not sorry for the question
itself.  That's all I meant by the but thing.  I'm sorry for how I 
treated


you, but not for my initial question.  Is that too hard for you to 
grasp?


Look, you created a list.  I don't agree with it, I think you're 
violating


the NDA, I've never once seen where it says you can discuss it publicly 
or


with other testers outside the community forums, and each time I 
challenge


any of you to show me where it says that, you say go read the terms.  I
have done so time after time after time and don't see any reference, and
none of you ever take me up on my challenge, and show me word per word
where it says this is ok.  The point is, you obviously don't like me, 
you


don't appreciate me, so why do you keep writing me!  If I really am a
troll as you say, then grow up, move on, leave me alone, and quit 
getting


the last word for Christ sake!  I said initially I was sorry, but then 
you


had to come back with your remark that I went against what I said
initially, which you damn well know isn't true!

If you don't want to hear my comments, then block me, as frankly, I'm
tired of the bullshit!  I made one? comment, is it really worth this 
much


list drama that you guys are producing?  Get over it!  Move on!  The fat
lady sang!

You all keep complaining about me, and saying just ignore me.  If you
wanna be mature, then practice what you preach!

Chris.

OK, now, rant aside, back to Apple! related things for pete sakes!

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley"

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


You know what? I was being fairly nice to you, given your treatment of 
me.


But, as someone mentioned earlier, your apology isn't really one, 
because


you place the word but after it. Which means you were completely
disregarding everything you just said. And I don't care to be treated 
like


this. I've not done anything wrong, and you need to shut your mouth.

Sent from my iPad


On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
 wrote:

Who's really the troll here?  I made one! Literally! One? comment, and
you idiots blew it outta perportion!

I'm sorry that you don't agree with my way of thinking, but I 
apologized


for my little outburst this morning!  You know what though, as rude as
you all're being in return, I wonder if my apology should have been 
made


to start with!  Frankly, E T is right! There isn't a need, as frankly, 
no


longer am! I sorry!  If you all wanna list to break the Apple terms of
service, go for it!  But be sure to ban me while you're at it, as
frankly, I have no intrest in joining a group consisting of bed-wetting
children/whiners!

You hear something you don't like, and you immediately then initiate 
the


chinwag of, he's a dick, he's a troll, etc. etc.

It takes one to know one!  That's all I'll say.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley"

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


And now we are feeding patrol. Let's all just shut up and deal wit

Re: Insert current date in Pages template?

2015-08-02 Thread Anne Robertson

Hello Alex,

Here’s how to manage date fields in templates in Pages.
Go to the Insert menu and choose Date & Time. Press Return (by default, Pages 
takes the Date and Time format from the Full definition in System Preferences, 
Language
& Region pane). However, you can change the date and time format as follows:
Go to the last item then press left arrow to highlight the date and time. Bring 
the mouse and do VO-Shift-Space. You’ll hear the current date followed by “Pop 
up button”. Click this button to get a menu giving various forms of the date. 
Use VO-w to spell out each one and select the one you prefer by pressing Return.
The Choose Date Format pop up window opens where you can change the date and 
time format as well as its values. The unlabelled button to the right of Set to 
today is the Calendar button. Tip: you can label this button using VO-Slash. In 
any case, click the Set to today button.
Clicking the Calendar button allows you to set any date you like. Press Return 
when you’re done.
So, when you open your template, you can get the menu for the date field and 
click the Set to today button and the format will be that which you selected 
for your template.

Cheers,

Anne

> On 1 Aug 2015, at 04:01, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Hi list,
> As promised, I'm back with another Pages question. I'm finally converting my 
> bill and service report templates from RTF to actual Pages templates, as 
> it'll be easier to fill them out this way. One thing I'd love to do is to 
> have the current date inserted into a new document when I generate one from 
> the template. Better still, I'd like to control with parts of the date 
> appear. For example, the main "date" field would be the full date, whereas 
> another section would be only the month and the year. Are either of these 
> doable? I could make placeholders and type it in manually, but it seems like 
> Pages should be able to manage this for me. Thanks in advance.
> 
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Re: youtube to mp3 no longer seems to work.

2015-08-02 Thread Jessica Moss

I've noticed too that even after updating flash, YouTube and even cbs videos 
only play when they want to which is maddening.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2015, at 10:43 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> not only that, but the Youtube API changes, and if apps don't get updated, 
> they'll stop working. Same goes for that darn Translate app I paid $1 for on 
> the Mac, which didn't work.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 7:07 AM, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
>> 
>> YouTube is blocking a lot of these converters. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Aug 1, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've been using mediahuman's youtube to mp3 converter for ages, and love 
>>> it, but now whenever I paste a link from youtube, the options to do 
>>> anything are all dimmed.  Has it stopped working, or are the options to 
>>> convert these videos becoming fewer?
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Re: youtube to mp3 no longer seems to work.

2015-08-02 Thread Jessica Moss

I don't have time to do that.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2015, at 10:48 AM, Shaf  wrote:
> 
> If it's really important for you to grab youtube videos, why not use
> Audiohyjack and record the stream?
> Yes it takes forever, but it's better than being bombarded by ridiculous
> ads.
> 
>> On 8/2/2015 3:43 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
>> not only that, but the Youtube API changes, and if apps don't get updated, 
>> they'll stop working. Same goes for that darn Translate app I paid $1 for on 
>> the Mac, which didn't work.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 7:07 AM, Aleeha Dudley  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> YouTube is blocking a lot of these converters. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 1, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
 
 I've been using mediahuman's youtube to mp3 converter for ages, and love 
 it, but now whenever I paste a link from youtube, the options to do 
 anything are all dimmed.  Has it stopped working, or are the options to 
 convert these videos becoming fewer?
 
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Re: youtube to mp3 no longer seems to work.

I wonder if Kodi media center has an addon to do this?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2015, at 1:10 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> I don't have time to do that.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 10:48 AM, Shaf  wrote:
>> 
>> If it's really important for you to grab youtube videos, why not use
>> Audiohyjack and record the stream?
>> Yes it takes forever, but it's better than being bombarded by ridiculous
>> ads.
>> 
>>> On 8/2/2015 3:43 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
>>> not only that, but the Youtube API changes, and if apps don't get updated, 
>>> they'll stop working. Same goes for that darn Translate app I paid $1 for 
>>> on the Mac, which didn't work.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 7:07 AM, Aleeha Dudley  
 wrote:
 
 YouTube is blocking a lot of these converters. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Aug 1, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Jessica Moss  
> wrote:
> 
> I've been using mediahuman's youtube to mp3 converter for ages, and love 
> it, but now whenever I paste a link from youtube, the options to do 
> anything are all dimmed.  Has it stopped working, or are the options to 
> convert these videos becoming fewer?
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Re: has voiceover stopped stop speaking in the latest beta?

2015-08-02 Thread matthew dyer

Hi,

I like you have experienced the same thing.  I really hope apple fixes this 
before it is out for final release.


> On Aug 2, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Well i  am experiencing that its gone a bit worse.
> It cuts off words and stops in middle of text reading.
> Safari and vo has also been a bit odd.
> I can not use the tab key as much as i could.
> /A
>> 1 aug. 2015 kl. 21:39 skrev Devin Prater :
>> 
>> Hi all. Does anyone know if voiceover works better in beta 3 of El Capitan? 
>> I'm wondering because it still stops speaking just the same in beta 2. ?  
>> 
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!


Thanks it's now gone to my Tech Zone list.

On 02/08/2015 13:08, Aleeha Dudley wrote:

That is fine

Sent from my iPhone


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Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?


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vm fusion

2015-08-02 Thread wayne coles

hi list is there any thing I can do to install win 10 on my fusion only I
was told that I cant do it is that right thanks in advance

 

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Re: vm fusion

Hi I don't think this is true. It probably isn't a supported guest but 
it should still install and run.


On 02/08/2015 19:33, wayne coles wrote:

hi list is there any thing I can do to install win 10 on my fusion only I
was told that I cant do it is that right thanks in advance





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Re: youtube to mp3 no longer seems to work.

what about listentoyoutube.com
that one still works


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> I wonder if Kodi media center has an addon to do this?
> 
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>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 1:10 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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>> I don't have time to do that.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 10:48 AM, Shaf  wrote:
>>>
>>> If it's really important for you to grab youtube videos, why not use
>>> Audiohyjack and record the stream?
>>> Yes it takes forever, but it's better than being bombarded by ridiculous
>>> ads.
>>>
 On 8/2/2015 3:43 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
 not only that, but the Youtube API changes, and if apps don't get updated, 
 they'll stop working. Same goes for that darn Translate app I paid $1 for 
 on the Mac, which didn't work.

 Sent from my iPhone

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>> I've been using mediahuman's youtube to mp3 converter for ages, and love 
>> it, but now whenever I paste a link from youtube, the options to do 
>> anything are all dimmed.  Has it stopped working, or are the options to 
>> convert these videos becoming fewer?
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Re: vm fusion

I've done this w/ minimal problems.

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> Hi I don't think this is true. It probably isn't a supported guest but
> it should still install and run.
> 
> On 02/08/2015 19:33, wayne coles wrote:
>> hi list is there any thing I can do to install win 10 on my fusion only I
>> was told that I cant do it is that right thanks in advance
>>
>>
>>
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Re: has voiceover stopped stop speaking in the latest beta?

2015-08-02 Thread Krister Ekstrom

Hi,
Well at least Apple knows about the problem, i have filed a bug report.
/Krister

> 2 aug. 2015 kl. 20:27 skrev matthew dyer :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I like you have experienced the same thing.  I really hope apple fixes this 
> before it is out for final release.
> 
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Well i  am experiencing that its gone a bit worse.
>> It cuts off words and stops in middle of text reading.
>> Safari and vo has also been a bit odd.
>> I can not use the tab key as much as i could.
>> /A
>>> 1 aug. 2015 kl. 21:39 skrev Devin Prater :
>>> 
>>> Hi all. Does anyone know if voiceover works better in beta 3 of El Capitan? 
>>> I'm wondering because it still stops speaking just the same in beta 2. ?  
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Insert current date in Pages template?

2015-08-02 Thread Alex Hall

Thank you, that's a big help, if somewhat convoluted. :) I gather that Pages 
uses a lot of this mouse stuff, instead of making things more efficiently 
accessible?

As to the date, is there no way to tell the template to auto-fill the current 
date when I make a new file? I now know how to insert and format the date, but 
if I make a file in October based on this template, can Pages not automagically 
put "October 3, 2015" into that field? I can do it manually, I guess I'm just 
surprised I have to, if that makes sense.
> On Aug 2, 2015, at 1:15 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Alex,
> 
> Here’s how to manage date fields in templates in Pages.
> Go to the Insert menu and choose Date & Time. Press Return (by default, Pages 
> takes the Date and Time format from the Full definition in System 
> Preferences, Language
> & Region pane). However, you can change the date and time format as follows:
> Go to the last item then press left arrow to highlight the date and time. 
> Bring the mouse and do VO-Shift-Space. You’ll hear the current date followed 
> by “Pop up button”. Click this button to get a menu giving various forms of 
> the date. Use VO-w to spell out each one and select the one you prefer by 
> pressing Return.
> The Choose Date Format pop up window opens where you can change the date and 
> time format as well as its values. The unlabelled button to the right of Set 
> to today is the Calendar button. Tip: you can label this button using 
> VO-Slash. In any case, click the Set to today button.
> Clicking the Calendar button allows you to set any date you like. Press 
> Return when you’re done.
> So, when you open your template, you can get the menu for the date field and 
> click the Set to today button and the format will be that which you selected 
> for your template.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 1 Aug 2015, at 04:01, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi list,
>> As promised, I'm back with another Pages question. I'm finally converting my 
>> bill and service report templates from RTF to actual Pages templates, as 
>> it'll be easier to fill them out this way. One thing I'd love to do is to 
>> have the current date inserted into a new document when I generate one from 
>> the template. Better still, I'd like to control with parts of the date 
>> appear. For example, the main "date" field would be the full date, whereas 
>> another section would be only the month and the year. Are either of these 
>> doable? I could make placeholders and type it in manually, but it seems like 
>> Pages should be able to manage this for me. Thanks in advance.
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Sunshine


May I share the infor with a friend who may want to join the beta list?

On 8/2/2015 1:32 PM, Chris wrote:

Thanks it's now gone to my Tech Zone list.

On 02/08/2015 13:08, Aleeha Dudley wrote:

That is fine

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 2, 2015, at 2:56 AM, Chris  wrote:

Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?


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I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
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This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Matthew Dierckens

Yes, as long as they are on either iOS or OS X beta. Developer and public beta 
testers are welcome. We send out an email with a question before the user is 
subscribed.

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> On Aug 2, 2015, at 15:22, Sunshine  wrote:
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> May I share the infor with a friend who may want to join the beta list?
> 
>> On 8/2/2015 1:32 PM, Chris wrote:
>> Thanks it's now gone to my Tech Zone list.
>> 
>>> On 02/08/2015 13:08, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
>>> That is fine
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 2:56 AM, Chris  wrote:
 
 Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?
 
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> I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
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add me on the public beta discussion i already submitted a request.

2015-08-02 Thread Dionipher Presas Herrera

hello, i am on the beta too, please add me on the list.

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RE: add me on the public beta discussion i already submitted a request.

Add me also I sent a request 8 hours ago and got a reply saying is being 
reviewed before adding

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hello, i am on the beta too, please add me on the list.

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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Shawn Krasniuk

Hey Aleeha. Could you please let me in to the public beta group? I sent a 
request at around 1 or 2 AM central and I never got this email with this 
question. Thanks.
Shawn
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Re: vm fusion

2015-08-02 Thread Shawn Krasniuk

Hey Wayne. If you're not in a rush, I would hold off on installing Windows 10 
especially with Fusion. According to this article from Cool Blind Tech, some 
features of Windows 10 including Microsoft's new Edge browser aren't accessible 
with most screen readers except for the current NVDA beta. So it's a question 
of do you really need Windows 10 right now? Because if you don't, I'd suggest 
waiting until all the bugs have been ironed out. 
http://www.coolblindtech.com/stepping-over-the-threshold-windows-10-in-1-words-thoroughly-reviewed/

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> On Aug 2, 2015, at 1:33 PM, wayne coles  wrote:
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> hi list is there any thing I can do to install win 10 on my fusion only I was 
> told that I cant do it is that right thanks in advance
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Phil Halton

The thing is Chris, you've got a snarky, smart mouth attitude. And that's what 
turns people off. It turns them off to you into whatever it is you're trying to 
get across in your message.
If you want people to listen to you and take you seriously, then try being a 
little more tactful instead of being out and out insulting.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> I frankly know you haven't done anything wrong, and that's why I apologised. 
> You took the quote, but, part totally out of context.  I said what I said, 
> and had you actually taken the time to read my message, you'd a known that. 
> Just for the record, I said I was sorry for coming across so rudely.  I 
> totally agree initially that I over reacted in how I presented my original 
> question.  This said however, I'm not sorry for the question itself.  That's 
> all I meant by the but thing.  I'm sorry for how I treated you, but not for 
> my initial question.  Is that too hard for you to grasp?
> 
> Look, you created a list.  I don't agree with it, I think you're violating 
> the NDA, I've never once seen where it says you can discuss it publicly or 
> with other testers outside the community forums, and each time I challenge 
> any of you to show me where it says that, you say go read the terms.  I have 
> done so time after time after time and don't see any reference, and none of 
> you ever take me up on my challenge, and show me word per word where it says 
> this is ok.  The point is, you obviously don't like me, you don't appreciate 
> me, so why do you keep writing me!  If I really am a troll as you say, then 
> grow up, move on, leave me alone, and quit getting the last word for Christ 
> sake!  I said initially I was sorry, but then you had to come back with your 
> remark that I went against what I said initially, which you damn well know 
> isn't true!
> 
> If you don't want to hear my comments, then block me, as frankly, I'm tired 
> of the bullshit!  I made one? comment, is it really worth this much list 
> drama that you guys are producing?  Get over it!  Move on!  The fat lady sang!
> 
> You all keep complaining about me, and saying just ignore me.  If you wanna 
> be mature, then practice what you preach!
> 
> Chris.
> 
> OK, now, rant aside, back to Apple! related things for pete sakes!
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:06 AM
> Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
> 
> 
> You know what? I was being fairly nice to you, given your treatment of me. 
> But, as someone mentioned earlier, your apology isn't really one, because you 
> place the word but after it. Which means you were completely disregarding 
> everything you just said. And I don't care to be treated like this. I've not 
> done anything wrong, and you need to shut your mouth.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Who's really the troll here?  I made one! Literally! One? comment, and you 
>> idiots blew it outta perportion!
>> 
>> I'm sorry that you don't agree with my way of thinking, but I apologized for 
>> my little outburst this morning!  You know what though, as rude as you 
>> all're being in return, I wonder if my apology should have been made to 
>> start with!  Frankly, E T is right! There isn't a need, as frankly, no 
>> longer am! I sorry!  If you all wanna list to break the Apple terms of 
>> service, go for it!  But be sure to ban me while you're at it, as frankly, I 
>> have no intrest in joining a group consisting of bed-wetting 
>> children/whiners!
>> 
>> You hear something you don't like, and you immediately then initiate the 
>> chinwag of, he's a dick, he's a troll, etc. etc.
>> 
>> It takes one to know one!  That's all I'll say.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 10:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
>> 
>> 
>> And now we are feeding patrol. Let's all just shut up and deal with it.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 10:43 AM, Shaf  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just ignore him. He's generally a dick where a lot of things are
>>> concerned. Don't take it personally.
>>> 
 On 8/2/2015 1:02 PM, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
 I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
 least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind 
 your own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just 
 don't appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. 
 Publicly being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> Aleeha wrote:
> 
> In order to join this group, you must be running at
>> least one of the betas.
>>

Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Littlefield, Tyler

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Honestly Chris, I do delete most of the crap you send. If it's not
totally unreadable due to a really bad abuse of punctuation, it's just
rude, childish and I've not really seen you be all that helpful. So
here's a thought. Rather than telling the masses of people that are
tired of your attitude to ignore you, why not figure out why so many
have a problem with you? Everything I've seen you post has been rude
at best (I don't even like snarky because that's an understatement).
Now I'm sure you're going to respond cursing and screaming with a
bunch of bad punctuation, which is totally fine, I'm just hoping this
has a possibility of getting through to you. Also, if you're going to
criticise people for responding to get the last word in, it seems you
yourself should think about that criticism as well?
On 8/2/2015 5:02 PM, Phil Halton wrote:
> The thing is Chris, you've got a snarky, smart mouth attitude. And
> that's what turns people off. It turns them off to you into
> whatever it is you're trying to get across in your message. If you
> want people to listen to you and take you seriously, then try being
> a little more tactful instead of being out and out insulting.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I frankly know you haven't done anything wrong, and that's why I
>> apologised. You took the quote, but, part totally out of context.
>> I said what I said, and had you actually taken the time to read
>> my message, you'd a known that. Just for the record, I said I was
>> sorry for coming across so rudely.  I totally agree initially
>> that I over reacted in how I presented my original question.
>> This said however, I'm not sorry for the question itself.  That's
>> all I meant by the but thing.  I'm sorry for how I treated you,
>> but not for my initial question.  Is that too hard for you to
>> grasp?
>> 
>> Look, you created a list.  I don't agree with it, I think you're
>> violating the NDA, I've never once seen where it says you can
>> discuss it publicly or with other testers outside the community
>> forums, and each time I challenge any of you to show me where it
>> says that, you say go read the terms.  I have done so time after
>> time after time and don't see any reference, and none of you ever
>> take me up on my challenge, and show me word per word where it
>> says this is ok.  The point is, you obviously don't like me, you
>> don't appreciate me, so why do you keep writing me!  If I really
>> am a troll as you say, then grow up, move on, leave me alone, and
>> quit getting the last word for Christ sake!  I said initially I
>> was sorry, but then you had to come back with your remark that I
>> went against what I said initially, which you damn well know
>> isn't true!
>> 
>> If you don't want to hear my comments, then block me, as frankly,
>> I'm tired of the bullshit!  I made one? comment, is it really
>> worth this much list drama that you guys are producing?  Get over
>> it!  Move on!  The fat lady sang!
>> 
>> You all keep complaining about me, and saying just ignore me.  If
>> you wanna be mature, then practice what you preach!
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> OK, now, rant aside, back to Apple! related things for pete
>> sakes!
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley"
>>  To:
>>  Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015
>> 11:06 AM Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
>> 
>> 
>> You know what? I was being fairly nice to you, given your
>> treatment of me. But, as someone mentioned earlier, your apology
>> isn't really one, because you place the word but after it. Which
>> means you were completely disregarding everything you just said.
>> And I don't care to be treated like this. I've not done anything
>> wrong, and you need to shut your mouth.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Who's really the troll here?  I made one! Literally! One?
>>> comment, and you idiots blew it outta perportion!
>>> 
>>> I'm sorry that you don't agree with my way of thinking, but I
>>> apologized for my little outburst this morning!  You know what
>>> though, as rude as you all're being in return, I wonder if my
>>> apology should have been made to start with!  Frankly, E T is
>>> right! There isn't a need, as frankly, no longer am! I sorry!
>>> If you all wanna list to break the Apple terms of service, go
>>> for it!  But be sure to ban me while you're at it, as frankly,
>>> I have no intrest in joining a group consisting of bed-wetting
>>> children/whiners!
>>> 
>>> You hear something you don't like, and you immediately then
>>> initiate the chinwag of, he's a dick, he's a troll, etc. etc.
>>> 
>>> It takes one to know one!  That's all I'll say.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley"
>>>  To:
>>>  Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015
>>> 10:54 AM Subject: Re: apple beta discussio

RE: vm fusion

Well that is the only issue I found is the web and freedom scientific gives a 
very good and simple drictions on how to make the internet explorer the defalt 
browser and then no issues.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 13:49
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: vm fusion

 

Hey Wayne. If you're not in a rush, I would hold off on installing Windows 10 
especially with Fusion. According to this article from Cool Blind Tech, some 
features of Windows 10 including Microsoft's new Edge browser aren't accessible 
with most screen readers except for the current NVDA beta. So it's a question 
of do you really need Windows 10 right now? Because if you don't, I'd suggest 
waiting until all the bugs have been ironed out. 
http://www.coolblindtech.com/stepping-over-the-threshold-windows-10-in-1-words-thoroughly-reviewed/

 

Shawn

Sent From My White MacBook

Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk

Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs

Skype username: bbstheblindrapper

Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com  

 

On Aug 2, 2015, at 1:33 PM, wayne coles mailto:wayne...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

hi list is there any thing I can do to install win 10 on my fusion only I was 
told that I cant do it is that right thanks in advance

 

 

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Re: apple beta discussion group created!


I haven't received the question either.

On 02/08/2015 21:41, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:

Hey Aleeha. Could you please let me in to the public beta group? I sent a 
request at around 1 or 2 AM central and I never got this email with this 
question. Thanks.
Shawn
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On Aug 1, 2015, at 10:39 PM, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:

Hello,
I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!


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RE: apple beta discussion group created!

I haven't got the question eather

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 14:21
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!

I haven't received the question either.

On 02/08/2015 21:41, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
> Hey Aleeha. Could you please let me in to the public beta group? I sent a 
> request at around 1 or 2 AM central and I never got this email with this 
> question. Thanks.
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>
>> On Aug 1, 2015, at 10:39 PM, Aleeha Dudley  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>> I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
>> public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
>> least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
>> apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
>> Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
>> blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
>> Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!
>>
>>
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>> Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
>> Email: blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com
>> Follow me on Twitter at @blindcowgirl199
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Re: add me on the public beta discussion i already submitted a request.

2015-08-02 Thread Stephanie

Same here on my ipad mini.
Steph

- Original Message -
From: Dionipher Presas Herrera 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, August 3, 2015 6:27 am
Subject: add me on the public beta discussion i already submitted a request.

>
>
> hello, i am on the beta too, please add me on the list.
> 
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

Tyler,
Can I contact you off-list re a couple of PGP questions?


On 8/2/2015 10:17 PM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
> Honestly Chris, I do delete most of the crap you send. If it's not 
> totally unreadable due to a really bad abuse of punctuation, it's
> just rude, childish and I've not really seen you be all that
> helpful. So here's a thought. Rather than telling the masses of
> people that are tired of your attitude to ignore you, why not
> figure out why so many have a problem with you? Everything I've
> seen you post has been rude at best (I don't even like snarky
> because that's an understatement). Now I'm sure you're going to
> respond cursing and screaming with a bunch of bad punctuation,
> which is totally fine, I'm just hoping this has a possibility of
> getting through to you. Also, if you're going to criticise people
> for responding to get the last word in, it seems you yourself
> should think about that criticism as well? On 8/2/2015 5:02 PM,
> Phil Halton wrote:
>> The thing is Chris, you've got a snarky, smart mouth attitude.
>> And that's what turns people off. It turns them off to you into 
>> whatever it is you're trying to get across in your message. If
>> you want people to listen to you and take you seriously, then try
>> being a little more tactful instead of being out and out
>> insulting.
> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I frankly know you haven't done anything wrong, and that's why
>>> I apologised. You took the quote, but, part totally out of
>>> context. I said what I said, and had you actually taken the
>>> time to read my message, you'd a known that. Just for the
>>> record, I said I was sorry for coming across so rudely.  I
>>> totally agree initially that I over reacted in how I presented
>>> my original question. This said however, I'm not sorry for the
>>> question itself.  That's all I meant by the but thing.  I'm
>>> sorry for how I treated you, but not for my initial question.
>>> Is that too hard for you to grasp?
>>> 
>>> Look, you created a list.  I don't agree with it, I think
>>> you're violating the NDA, I've never once seen where it says
>>> you can discuss it publicly or with other testers outside the
>>> community forums, and each time I challenge any of you to show
>>> me where it says that, you say go read the terms.  I have done
>>> so time after time after time and don't see any reference, and
>>> none of you ever take me up on my challenge, and show me word
>>> per word where it says this is ok.  The point is, you obviously
>>> don't like me, you don't appreciate me, so why do you keep
>>> writing me!  If I really am a troll as you say, then grow up,
>>> move on, leave me alone, and quit getting the last word for
>>> Christ sake!  I said initially I was sorry, but then you had to
>>> come back with your remark that I went against what I said
>>> initially, which you damn well know isn't true!
>>> 
>>> If you don't want to hear my comments, then block me, as
>>> frankly, I'm tired of the bullshit!  I made one? comment, is it
>>> really worth this much list drama that you guys are producing?
>>> Get over it!  Move on!  The fat lady sang!
>>> 
>>> You all keep complaining about me, and saying just ignore me.
>>> If you wanna be mature, then practice what you preach!
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> OK, now, rant aside, back to Apple! related things for pete 
>>> sakes!
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley" 
>>>  To: 
>>>  Sent: Sunday, August 02,
>>> 2015 11:06 AM Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group
>>> created!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> You know what? I was being fairly nice to you, given your 
>>> treatment of me. But, as someone mentioned earlier, your
>>> apology isn't really one, because you place the word but after
>>> it. Which means you were completely disregarding everything you
>>> just said. And I don't care to be treated like this. I've not
>>> done anything wrong, and you need to shut your mouth.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
 
 Who's really the troll here?  I made one! Literally! One? 
 comment, and you idiots blew it outta perportion!
 
 I'm sorry that you don't agree with my way of thinking, but
 I apologized for my little outburst this morning!  You know
 what though, as rude as you all're being in return, I wonder
 if my apology should have been made to start with!  Frankly,
 E T is right! There isn't a need, as frankly, no longer am! I
 sorry! If you all wanna list to break the Apple terms of
 service, go for it!  But be sure to ban me while you're at
 it, as frankly, I have no intrest in joining a group
 consisting of bed-wetting children/whiners!
 
 You hear something you don't like, and you immediately then 
 initiate the chinwag of, he's a dick, he's a troll, etc.
 etc.
 
 It takes one to

Re: add me on the public beta discussion i already submitted a request.

2015-08-02 Thread Littlefield, Tyler

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G uys,
If you have issues getting on a list, email the person who runs the
list directly if you don't mind. This isn't a "public beta complaint"
list, it's a list for discussion of OSX and Voiceover.

On 8/2/2015 6:05 PM, Stephanie wrote:
> Same here on my ipad mini. Steph
> 
> - Original Message - From: Dionipher Presas Herrera
>  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Date:
> Monday, August 3, 2015 6:27 am Subject: add me on the public beta
> discussion i already submitted a request.
> 
>> 
>> 
>> hello, i am on the beta too, please add me on the list.
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Littlefield, Tyler

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Feel free, I'll do what I can to answer.
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HTH,
On 8/2/2015 6:07 PM, Shaf wrote:
> Tyler, Can I contact you off-list re a couple of PGP questions?
> 
> 
> On 8/2/2015 10:17 PM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
>> Honestly Chris, I do delete most of the crap you send. If it's
>> not totally unreadable due to a really bad abuse of punctuation,
>> it's just rude, childish and I've not really seen you be all
>> that helpful. So here's a thought. Rather than telling the masses
>> of people that are tired of your attitude to ignore you, why not 
>> figure out why so many have a problem with you? Everything I've 
>> seen you post has been rude at best (I don't even like snarky 
>> because that's an understatement). Now I'm sure you're going to 
>> respond cursing and screaming with a bunch of bad punctuation, 
>> which is totally fine, I'm just hoping this has a possibility of 
>> getting through to you. Also, if you're going to criticise
>> people for responding to get the last word in, it seems you
>> yourself should think about that criticism as well? On 8/2/2015
>> 5:02 PM, Phil Halton wrote:
>>> The thing is Chris, you've got a snarky, smart mouth attitude. 
>>> And that's what turns people off. It turns them off to you into
>>>  whatever it is you're trying to get across in your message.
>>> If you want people to listen to you and take you seriously,
>>> then try being a little more tactful instead of being out and
>>> out insulting.
>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:

 I frankly know you haven't done anything wrong, and that's
 why I apologised. You took the quote, but, part totally out
 of context. I said what I said, and had you actually taken
 the time to read my message, you'd a known that. Just for
 the record, I said I was sorry for coming across so rudely.
 I totally agree initially that I over reacted in how I
 presented my original question. This said however, I'm not
 sorry for the question itself.  That's all I meant by the but
 thing.  I'm sorry for how I treated you, but not for my
 initial question. Is that too hard for you to grasp?

 Look, you created a list.  I don't agree with it, I think 
 you're violating the NDA, I've never once seen where it says 
 you can discuss it publicly or with other testers outside
 the community forums, and each time I challenge any of you to
 show me where it says that, you say go read the terms.  I
 have done so time after time after time and don't see any
 reference, and none of you ever take me up on my challenge,
 and show me word per word where it says this is ok.  The
 point is, you obviously don't like me, you don't appreciate
 me, so why do you keep writing me!  If I really am a troll as
 you say, then grow up, move on, leave me alone, and quit
 getting the last word for Christ sake!  I said initially I
 was sorry, but then you had to come back with your remark
 that I went against what I said initially, which you damn
 well know isn't true!

 If you don't want to hear my comments, then block me, as 
 frankly, I'm tired of the bullshit!  I made one? comment, is
 it really worth this much list drama that you guys are
 producing? Get over it!  Move on!  The fat lady sang!

 You all keep complaining about me, and saying just ignore
 me. If you wanna be mature, then practice what you preach!

 Chris.

 OK, now, rant aside, back to Apple! related things for pete 
 sakes!

 Chris.

 - Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley" 
  To: 
  Sent: Sunday, August 02, 
 2015 11:06 AM Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group 
 created!

 You know what? I was being fairly nice to you, given your 
 treatment of me. But, as someone mentioned earlier, your 
 apology isn't really one, because you place the word but
 after it. Which means you were completely disregarding
 everything you just said. And I don't care to be treated like
 this. I've not done anything wrong, and you need to shut your
 mouth.

 Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> Who's really the troll here?  I made one! Literally! One? 
> comment, and you idiots blew it outta perportion!
> 
> I'm sorry that you don't agree with my way of thinking,
> but I apologized for my little outburst this morning!  You
> know what though, as rude as you all're being in return, I
> wonder if my apology should have been made to start with!
> Frankly, E T is right! There isn't a need, as frankly, no
> longer am! I sorry! If you all wanna list to break the
> Apple terms of service, go for it!  But be sure to ban me
> while you're at

windows 10

2015-08-02 Thread jeff `greene

Hi, Was wondering if anybody on the list has installed windows 10 under 
bootcamp? I got the icon in the task bar to get win10 but am hesitating. I 
don’t know how well it will work with bootcamp drivers.
Thanks, Jeff

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Re: windows 10

Not very well. If you care about stability wait for Apple to upgrade
their drivers.

On 8/2/2015 11:17 PM, jeff `greene wrote:
> Hi, Was wondering if anybody on the list has installed windows 10 under 
> bootcamp? I got the icon in the task bar to get win10 but am hesitating. I 
> don’t know how well it will work with bootcamp drivers.
> Thanks, Jeff
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Re: windows 10

2015-08-02 Thread jeff `greene

Thanks! That’s kinda what I was expecting.
Jeff

> On Aug 2, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Shaf  wrote:
> 
> Not very well. If you care about stability wait for Apple to upgrade
> their drivers.
> 
> On 8/2/2015 11:17 PM, jeff `greene wrote:
>> Hi, Was wondering if anybody on the list has installed windows 10 under 
>> bootcamp? I got the icon in the task bar to get win10 but am hesitating. I 
>> don’t know how well it will work with bootcamp drivers.
>> Thanks, Jeff
>> 
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

Ditto!!!

I can’t even say how much I’m glad to see that I’m not the only one.  I hear 
“Christopher Mark” & I just delete.  Again, I’m so glad that it’s not just me.  
In fact, since he’s become so much more active…”Christopher Mark” tags on darn 
near every email header…I’ve considered dropping this list.  Is this list 
moderated?

CJ


> On Aug 2, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Littlefield, Tyler  wrote:
> 
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Honestly Chris, I do delete most of the crap you send. If it's not
> totally unreadable due to a really bad abuse of punctuation, it's just
> rude, childish and I've not really seen you be all that helpful. So
> here's a thought. Rather than telling the masses of people that are
> tired of your attitude to ignore you, why not figure out why so many
> have a problem with you? Everything I've seen you post has been rude
> at best (I don't even like snarky because that's an understatement).
> Now I'm sure you're going to respond cursing and screaming with a
> bunch of bad punctuation, which is totally fine, I'm just hoping this
> has a possibility of getting through to you. Also, if you're going to
> criticise people for responding to get the last word in, it seems you
> yourself should think about that criticism as well?
> On 8/2/2015 5:02 PM, Phil Halton wrote:
>> The thing is Chris, you've got a snarky, smart mouth attitude. And
>> that's what turns people off. It turns them off to you into
>> whatever it is you're trying to get across in your message. If you
>> want people to listen to you and take you seriously, then try being
>> a little more tactful instead of being out and out insulting.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I frankly know you haven't done anything wrong, and that's why I
>>> apologised. You took the quote, but, part totally out of context.
>>> I said what I said, and had you actually taken the time to read
>>> my message, you'd a known that. Just for the record, I said I was
>>> sorry for coming across so rudely.  I totally agree initially
>>> that I over reacted in how I presented my original question.
>>> This said however, I'm not sorry for the question itself.  That's
>>> all I meant by the but thing.  I'm sorry for how I treated you,
>>> but not for my initial question.  Is that too hard for you to
>>> grasp?
>>> 
>>> Look, you created a list.  I don't agree with it, I think you're
>>> violating the NDA, I've never once seen where it says you can
>>> discuss it publicly or with other testers outside the community
>>> forums, and each time I challenge any of you to show me where it
>>> says that, you say go read the terms.  I have done so time after
>>> time after time and don't see any reference, and none of you ever
>>> take me up on my challenge, and show me word per word where it
>>> says this is ok.  The point is, you obviously don't like me, you
>>> don't appreciate me, so why do you keep writing me!  If I really
>>> am a troll as you say, then grow up, move on, leave me alone, and
>>> quit getting the last word for Christ sake!  I said initially I
>>> was sorry, but then you had to come back with your remark that I
>>> went against what I said initially, which you damn well know
>>> isn't true!
>>> 
>>> If you don't want to hear my comments, then block me, as frankly,
>>> I'm tired of the bullshit!  I made one? comment, is it really
>>> worth this much list drama that you guys are producing?  Get over
>>> it!  Move on!  The fat lady sang!
>>> 
>>> You all keep complaining about me, and saying just ignore me.  If
>>> you wanna be mature, then practice what you preach!
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> OK, now, rant aside, back to Apple! related things for pete
>>> sakes!
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley"
>>>  To:
>>>  Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015
>>> 11:06 AM Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> You know what? I was being fairly nice to you, given your
>>> treatment of me. But, as someone mentioned earlier, your apology
>>> isn't really one, because you place the word but after it. Which
>>> means you were completely disregarding everything you just said.
>>> And I don't care to be treated like this. I've not done anything
>>> wrong, and you need to shut your mouth.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
  wrote:
 
 Who's really the troll here?  I made one! Literally! One?
 comment, and you idiots blew it outta perportion!
 
 I'm sorry that you don't agree with my way of thinking, but I
 apologized for my little outburst this morning!  You know what
 though, as rude as you all're being in return, I wonder if my
 apology should have been made to start with!  Frankly, E T is
 right! There isn't a need, as frankly, no longer am! I sorry!
 If you all wanna list to break the Apple terms of service, go
>

Re: apple beta discussion group created!

You got that right.

CJ


> On Aug 2, 2015, at 7:43 AM, Shaf  wrote:
> 
> Just ignore him. He's generally a dick where a lot of things are
> concerned. Don't take it personally.
> 
> On 8/2/2015 1:02 PM, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
>> I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
>> least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind your 
>> own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just don't 
>> appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. Publicly 
>> being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Aleeha wrote:
>>> 
>>> In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas.
>>> 
>>> And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
>>> betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?
>>> 
>>> Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so I 
>>> can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I really 
>>> am? on 9?
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Chris" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
>>> Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
>>> 
>>> 
 Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?
 
> On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
> Hello,
> I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
> public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
> least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
> apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
> This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
> Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
> blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

Aleeha,

I applaud your efforts.  Every little bit helps.  As stated in another post, 
the sooner you start ignoring Christopher Mark, the better off we’ll all be.  
Sorry he’s such a bother.  By the way, pretty name.

CJ


> On Aug 2, 2015, at 5:02 AM, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
> 
> I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
> least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind your 
> own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just don't 
> appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. Publicly 
> being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Aleeha wrote:
>> 
>> In order to join this group, you must be running at
>>> least one of the betas.
>> 
>> And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
>> betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?
>> 
>> Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so I 
>> can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I really am? 
>> on 9?
>> 
>> Chris.
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Chris" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
>> Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?
>>> 
 On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
 Hello,
 I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
 public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
 apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
 This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
 Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
 blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
 Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Daniel Miller

I thought this list was for the discussion of OS X and VoiceOver, not a 
stomping ground for ridicule and what’s turning into near constant immaturity? 
Just saying...
> On Aug 2, 2015, at 6:37 PM, CJ Daniel  wrote:
> 
> Aleeha,
> 
> I applaud your efforts.  Every little bit helps.  As stated in another post, 
> the sooner you start ignoring Christopher Mark, the better off we’ll all be.  
> Sorry he’s such a bother.  By the way, pretty name.
> 
> CJ
> 
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 5:02 AM, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
>> 
>> I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
>> least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind your 
>> own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just don't 
>> appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. Publicly 
>> being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Aleeha wrote:
>>> 
>>> In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas.
>>> 
>>> And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
>>> betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?
>>> 
>>> Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so I 
>>> can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I really 
>>> am? on 9?
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Chris" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
>>> Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
>>> 
>>> 
 Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?
 
> On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
> Hello,
> I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
> public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
> least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
> apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
> This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
> Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
> blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

Look y'all. Stuff like this happens, then goes away. You want it to stop, then 
just let it stop. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2015, at 6:50 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
> I thought this list was for the discussion of OS X and VoiceOver, not a 
> stomping ground for ridicule and what’s turning into near constant 
> immaturity? Just saying...
>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 6:37 PM, CJ Daniel  wrote:
>> 
>> Aleeha,
>> 
>> I applaud your efforts.  Every little bit helps.  As stated in another post, 
>> the sooner you start ignoring Christopher Mark, the better off we’ll all be. 
>>  Sorry he’s such a bother.  By the way, pretty name.
>> 
>> CJ
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 5:02 AM, Aleeha Dudley  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
>>> least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind 
>>> your own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just don't 
>>> appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. Publicly 
>>> being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
 
 Aleeha wrote:
 
 In order to join this group, you must be running at
> least one of the betas.
 
 And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
 betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?
 
 Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so I 
 can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I really 
 am? on 9?
 
 Chris.
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: "Chris" 
 To: 
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
 Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
 
 
> Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?
> 
>> On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
>> public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
>> least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
>> apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
>> Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
>> blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
>> Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread E.T.

Easier to just block the fella and send directly to trash.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 8/2/2015 4:34 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:

Ditto!!!

I can’t even say how much I’m glad to see that I’m not the only one. I hear
“Christopher Mark” & I just delete. Again, I’m so glad that it’s not just me.
In fact, since he’s become so much more active…”Christopher Mark” tags on darn near
every email header…I’ve considered dropping this list. Is this list moderated?

On Aug 2, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:

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Honestly Chris, I do delete most of the crap you send. If it's not
totally unreadable due to a really bad abuse of punctuation, it's just
rude, childish and I've not really seen you be all that helpful. So
here's a thought. Rather than telling the masses of people that are
tired of your attitude to ignore you, why not figure out why so many
have a problem with you? Everything I've seen you post has been rude
at best (I don't even like snarky because that's an understatement).
Now I'm sure you're going to respond cursing and screaming with a
bunch of bad punctuation, which is totally fine, I'm just hoping this
has a possibility of getting through to you. Also, if you're going to
criticise people for responding to get the last word in, it seems you
yourself should think about that criticism as well?
On 8/2/2015 5:02 PM, Phil Halton wrote:

The thing is Chris, you've got a snarky, smart mouth attitude. And
that's what turns people off. It turns them off to you into
whatever it is you're trying to get across in your message. If you
want people to listen to you and take you seriously, then try being
a little more tactful instead of being out and out insulting.

Sent from my IPhone

On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
wrote:

I frankly know you haven't done anything wrong, and that's why I
apologised. You took the quote, but, part totally out of context.
I said what I said, and had you actually taken the time to read
my message, you'd a known that. Just for the record, I said I was
sorry for coming across so rudely. I totally agree initially
that I over reacted in how I presented my original question.
This said however, I'm not sorry for the question itself. That's
all I meant by the but thing. I'm sorry for how I treated you,
but not for my initial question. Is that too hard for you to
grasp?

Look, you created a list. I don't agree with it, I think you're
violating the NDA, I've never once seen where it says you can
discuss it publicly or with other testers outside the community
forums, and each time I challenge any of you to show me where it
says that, you say go read the terms. I have done so time after
time after time and don't see any reference, and none of you ever
take me up on my challenge, and show me word per word where it
says this is ok. The point is, you obviously don't like me, you
don't appreciate me, so why do you keep writing me! If I really
am a troll as you say, then grow up, move on, leave me alone, and
quit getting the last word for Christ sake! I said initially I
was sorry, but then you had to come back with your remark that I
went against what I said initially, which you damn well know
isn't true!

If you don't want to hear my comments, then block me, as frankly,
I'm tired of the bullshit! I made one? comment, is it really
worth this much list drama that you guys are producing? Get over
it! Move on! The fat lady sang!

You all keep complaining about me, and saying just ignore me. If
you wanna be mature, then practice what you preach!

Chris.

OK, now, rant aside, back to Apple! related things for pete
sakes!

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley"
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015
11:06 AM Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!

You know what? I was being fairly nice to you, given your
treatment of me. But, as someone mentioned earlier, your apology
isn't really one, because you place the word but after it. Which
means you were completely disregarding everything you just said.
And I don't care to be treated like this. I've not done anything
wrong, and you need to shut your mouth.

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
wrote:

Who's really the troll here? I made one! Literally! One?
comment, and you idiots blew it outta perportion!

I'm sorry that you don't agree with my way of thinking, but I
apologized for my little outburst this morning! You know what
though, as rude as you all're being in return, I wonder if my
apology should have been made to start with! Frankly, E T is
right! There isn't a need, as frankly, no longer am! I sorry!
If you all wanna list to break the Apple terms of service, go
for it! But be sure to ban me while you're at it, as frankly,
I have no intrest in joining a group consisting of bed-wetting

Re: apple beta discussion group created!

Daniel,

You’re right.  However, when a person decides to act outside of the bounds of 
the conventions that govern a societies behavior, he or she must & should be 
called to task for their actions.  When they refuse to modify their behavior or 
incapable of doing so, then they must be removed from that society.  It happens 
everyday.  Sometime, it can be accomplished through ignoring the individual.  
Unfortunately on the other hand, sometimes a person must be forcefully removed, 
as in being removed from a list.  A larger example of this in the world @ large 
would be imprisoning an individual whose behavior endangers fellow citizens.  
The idea that no one is ever called to task or publicly ridiculed by the hive 
is both impractical and idealistic to a fault.  But, come to think of it, it 
does seem to be the politically correct thing to do these days.  Let’s consider 
the feelings of the offender over the feelings & standards of the offended.

CJ


> On Aug 2, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
> I thought this list was for the discussion of OS X and VoiceOver, not a 
> stomping ground for ridicule and what’s turning into near constant 
> immaturity? Just saying...
>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 6:37 PM, CJ Daniel  wrote:
>> 
>> Aleeha,
>> 
>> I applaud your efforts.  Every little bit helps.  As stated in another post, 
>> the sooner you start ignoring Christopher Mark, the better off we’ll all be. 
>>  Sorry he’s such a bother.  By the way, pretty name.
>> 
>> CJ
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 5:02 AM, Aleeha Dudley  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
>>> least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind 
>>> your own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just don't 
>>> appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. Publicly 
>>> being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
 
 Aleeha wrote:
 
 In order to join this group, you must be running at
> least one of the betas.
 
 And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
 betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?
 
 Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so I 
 can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I really 
 am? on 9?
 
 Chris.
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: "Chris" 
 To: 
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
 Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
 
 
> Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?
> 
>> On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
>> public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
>> least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
>> apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
>> Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
>> blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
>> Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Shawn Krasniuk

Daniel, well said. I've been meaning to say something about this for about a 
few weeks now, but I decided to keep my mouth shut because I didn't want to get 
flamed. But since flaming has become an every day activity here it seems, I 
don't really care anymore. So here goes. Ever since the current moderator for 
this list, Cara Quin has decided to become M.I.A., I found that this Mac 
Visionaries list has gone down hill in terms of integrity. Everything from 
talking about pirating Apple beta software from basically bashing people and 
telling them where to go. If Cara decided to read some of these emails, guys, 
how appalled do you think she'd be? This isn't the Mac Visionaries list she 
created. This is the kind of BS that I would expect to read and she'd expect to 
read from the Zone BBS mailing list. And Cara, if you are reading this, I'd 
suggest you do something about this or hand the reins of moderation to someone 
else that will do something about it. No disrespect to you but this needs to 
stop. Moderation is important for a mailing list or it becomes a sea of chaos 
and anarchy like it is now.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

> On Aug 2, 2015, at 6:50 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
> I thought this list was for the discussion of OS X and VoiceOver, not a 
> stomping ground for ridicule and what’s turning into near constant 
> immaturity? Just saying...
>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 6:37 PM, CJ Daniel  wrote:
>> 
>> Aleeha,
>> 
>> I applaud your efforts.  Every little bit helps.  As stated in another post, 
>> the sooner you start ignoring Christopher Mark, the better off we’ll all be. 
>>  Sorry he’s such a bother.  By the way, pretty name.
>> 
>> CJ
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 5:02 AM, Aleeha Dudley  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
>>> least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind 
>>> your own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just don't 
>>> appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. Publicly 
>>> being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
 
 Aleeha wrote:
 
 In order to join this group, you must be running at
> least one of the betas.
 
 And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
 betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?
 
 Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so I 
 can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I really 
 am? on 9?
 
 Chris.
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: "Chris" 
 To: 
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
 Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
 
 
> Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?
> 
>> On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
>> public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
>> least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
>> apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
>> Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
>> blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
>> Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

I think it has a while to go yet before it hits the "anarchy" stage. As long as 
there are people here to draw the line, or braille it, the list won't get all 
that bad, in my opinion. Its not as flamish as the BARD list, and they have 
like 2 mods, I think. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2015, at 8:49 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Daniel, well said. I've been meaning to say something about this for about a 
> few weeks now, but I decided to keep my mouth shut because I didn't want to 
> get flamed. But since flaming has become an every day activity here it seems, 
> I don't really care anymore. So here goes. Ever since the current moderator 
> for this list, Cara Quin has decided to become M.I.A., I found that this Mac 
> Visionaries list has gone down hill in terms of integrity. Everything from 
> talking about pirating Apple beta software from basically bashing people and 
> telling them where to go. If Cara decided to read some of these emails, guys, 
> how appalled do you think she'd be? This isn't the Mac Visionaries list she 
> created. This is the kind of BS that I would expect to read and she'd expect 
> to read from the Zone BBS mailing list. And Cara, if you are reading this, 
> I'd suggest you do something about this or hand the reins of moderation to 
> someone else that will do something about it. No disrespect to you but this 
> needs to stop. Moderation is important for a mailing list or it becomes a sea 
> of chaos and anarchy like it is now.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 6:50 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> I thought this list was for the discussion of OS X and VoiceOver, not a 
>> stomping ground for ridicule and what’s turning into near constant 
>> immaturity? Just saying...
>>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 6:37 PM, CJ Daniel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Aleeha,
>>> 
>>> I applaud your efforts.  Every little bit helps.  As stated in another 
>>> post, the sooner you start ignoring Christopher Mark, the better off we’ll 
>>> all be.  Sorry he’s such a bother.  By the way, pretty name.
>>> 
>>> CJ
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 5:02 AM, Aleeha Dudley  
 wrote:
 
 I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
 least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind 
 your own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just 
 don't appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. 
 Publicly being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> Aleeha wrote:
> 
> In order to join this group, you must be running at
>> least one of the betas.
> 
> And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
> betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?
> 
> Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so 
> I can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I 
> really am? on 9?
> 
> Chris.
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Chris" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
> Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
> 
> 
>> Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?
>> 
>>> On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
>>> public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
>>> least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
>>> apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
>>> Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
>>> blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
>>> Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!
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Re: add me on the public beta discussion i already submitted a request.

I will not process requests made on this list. Please email myself or Matt off 
last to ask questions. Include the email you used to sign up in your message. 
Let's get this traffic stopped right now. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Littlefield, Tyler  wrote:
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> G uys,
> If you have issues getting on a list, email the person who runs the
> list directly if you don't mind. This isn't a "public beta complaint"
> list, it's a list for discussion of OSX and Voiceover.
> 
>> On 8/2/2015 6:05 PM, Stephanie wrote:
>> Same here on my ipad mini. Steph
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: Dionipher Presas Herrera
>>  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Date:
>> Monday, August 3, 2015 6:27 am Subject: add me on the public beta
>> discussion i already submitted a request.
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> hello, i am on the beta too, please add me on the list.
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after upgqading to win10 in bootcamp, here's what happened!

2015-08-02 Thread Joe Quinn

anyone have this issue? my fn keys don't work. it's as if it doesn't exist. 
whereas in win7, they worked fine! and yes, the option in bootcamp prefs is 
checked to use all f keys as soft5 function keys, just like it was in 7. I 
don't know if redownloading bootcamp setup files will work, guess I could try. 
anyone got any ideas? thanks! 

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Re: after upgqading to win10 in bootcamp, here's what happened!

2015-08-02 Thread sadam . lists

Yep. I have the same problem. I'm guessing the Boot Camp drivers have to be 
updated. 

Rerunning the installation doesn't help. 

Sent from my iPhone 

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> 
> anyone have this issue? my fn keys don't work. it's as if it doesn't exist. 
> whereas in win7, they worked fine! and yes, the option in bootcamp prefs is 
> checked to use all f keys as soft5 function keys, just like it was in 7. I 
> don't know if redownloading bootcamp setup files will work, guess I could 
> try. anyone got any ideas? thanks! 
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Re: Xcode: adding navigation bars and bar buttons

2015-08-02 Thread venky . 92

Thank you for the help!
Could you explain in a bit more elaborate way?
Do I do what you suggested after adding in navigation bar? Moreover, is the 
procedure similar for adding a toolbar?

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> On 02-Aug-2015, at 8:35 pm, Barry Hadder  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> 
> 
> First, you would embed the view controller in a navigation controller from 
> the editor menu.
> 
> You should then find a navigation item in the controller seen when you expand 
> the controller.  You set the title of the bar in it’s inspector and make 
> connections as well.  In the connections inspector, drag from one of it’s 
> outlets, e.g., backBarButtonItem, leftBarButtonItem, rightBarButtonItem to 
> the bar button you dragged to that seen.
> 
>> On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 1:52:56 AM UTC-5, Venkatesh Potluri wrote:
>> Hi, 
>> Using voice over, I typically add labels, buttons and text fields by 
>> dragging them from the library to the document outlin in the Interface 
>> builder.  I change the attributes such as the title, label text, et cetera 
>> using the attributes inspector. However, I am unable to change the title of 
>> the navigation bar in this way. How do I do that? Is dragging a bar button 
>> on to the navigation bar in the document outline the correct way to add bar 
>> buttons to the navigation bar? 
>> Thank you. 
>> Regards, 
>> Venkatesh 
>> 
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Re: after upgqading to win10 in bootcamp, here's what happened!

2015-08-02 Thread Joe Quinn

good to know. then i won't waste my time redownloading the setup.

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> On Aug 2, 2015, at 10:42 PM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Yep. I have the same problem. I'm guessing the Boot Camp drivers have to be 
> updated. 
> 
> Rerunning the installation doesn't help. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
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>> On 3 Aug 2015, at 1:13 pm, Joe Quinn  wrote:
>> 
>> anyone have this issue? my fn keys don't work. it's as if it doesn't exist. 
>> whereas in win7, they worked fine! and yes, the option in bootcamp prefs is 
>> checked to use all f keys as soft5 function keys, just like it was in 7. I 
>> don't know if redownloading bootcamp setup files will work, guess I could 
>> try. anyone got any ideas? thanks! 
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Re: after upgqading to win10 in bootcamp, here's what happened!

2015-08-02 Thread sadam . lists

Just sit tight and wait for Apple to update drivers. Alternatively you could 
downgrade back to win 7. 

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> good to know. then i won't waste my time redownloading the setup.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 10:42 PM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Yep. I have the same problem. I'm guessing the Boot Camp drivers have to be 
>> updated. 
>> 
>> Rerunning the installation doesn't help. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 
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>> 
>>> On 3 Aug 2015, at 1:13 pm, Joe Quinn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> anyone have this issue? my fn keys don't work. it's as if it doesn't exist. 
>>> whereas in win7, they worked fine! and yes, the option in bootcamp prefs is 
>>> checked to use all f keys as soft5 function keys, just like it was in 7. I 
>>> don't know if redownloading bootcamp setup files will work, guess I could 
>>> try. anyone got any ideas? thanks! 
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Re: Text boxes in Pages?

2015-08-02 Thread Alex Hall

Hello again,
I just realized I'm having a problem. I saved the template with its 
placeholders in place, then made a new document based on that template. As I 
down arrowed through the document body, VO announced my placeholder text, so I 
typed in values for it. M text got inserted, but in the middle of the line and 
*without* replacing the placeholder! For instance, a line in my template looks 
like the following, where text in brackets is the placeholder:

Client name: [client name]

After I "filled in" my file, that line looked like this:

clieTest Clientnt name: [client name]

What did I do wrong, to not have the placeholder placed correctly? Vo spoke the 
placeholder text, so it picked it up somehow. It just didn't override it with 
what I was typing. Thanks for any suggestions.
> On Jul 26, 2015, at 3:34 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Alex,
> 
> I think you’d find placeholder text a better way for entering text that 
> changes. Just type in some typical text in the format you want, then select 
> that text, press VO-Tab for VO to ignore next key press, then press 
> Ctrl-Option-Cmd-t to make it placeholder text. When using your template, the 
> placeholder text will be highlighted when you navigate to it using just the 
> arrow keys, and typing will replace it but keep the formatting.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 26 Jul 2015, at 00:58, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey list,
>> I'm trying, once more, to get more into Pages. Hopefully, this time, I can 
>> make myself stick with it long enough to get a handle on this thing.
>> 
>> Currently, I have a few basic questions: I'm making a template I can use to 
>> fill out client reports and bills (I'm an AT instructor and have to email my 
>> clients this information). I thought I'd put text boxes in where I'll be 
>> entering text that can change, and just type the text that won't. Here's a 
>> super simple example:
>> 
>> Alex Hall
>> [auto-inserted date]
>> 
>> Client Name: [text box for client name]
>> Number of Hours: [text box for hours]
>> 
>> You get the idea. I'm running into a few questions, though.
>> 
>> 1. How do I get the text box to fit the height of the line of text it's on? 
>> VO reports that it's 1.2 inches tall, which strikes me as rather large.
>> 2. Do I even need a text box, or am I trying to use one where a different 
>> item would work better?
>> 3. If I do need one, how can I insert text around it? I inserted one, but 
>> even if I go to the end of the line and hit return, then type, the box is 
>> pushed along to the end of my new line of text instead of staying where I 
>> put it.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for any answers anyone can provide.
>> 
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Re: windows 10

2015-08-02 Thread Sadam Ahmed

Just to add to this  most screen readers with the exception of NVDA don’t 
support Windows 10 very well at the moment. 

Something I found out the hard way after upgrading. 

Thank you,

Sadam Ahmed 

Diploma of International Business candidate 

RMIT University 

Blog: 

Http://www.SadamAhmed.com 

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> On 3 Aug 2015, at 8:21 am, jeff `greene  wrote:
> 
> Thanks! That’s kinda what I was expecting.
> Jeff
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Shaf  wrote:
>> 
>> Not very well. If you care about stability wait for Apple to upgrade
>> their drivers.
>> 
>> On 8/2/2015 11:17 PM, jeff `greene wrote:
>>> Hi, Was wondering if anybody on the list has installed windows 10 under 
>>> bootcamp? I got the icon in the task bar to get win10 but am hesitating. I 
>>> don’t know how well it will work with bootcamp drivers.
>>> Thanks, Jeff
>>> 
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!


You're wrong.

I'm not gonna write cursing and screaming.

I'm actually going to thank you for your opinion.  Whether it matters to me, 
no comments one way or another.  All I'll say is you have a right to your 
opinion, so thanks for sharing it.


Have a great day, Jolly Blitson.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Littlefield, Tyler" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!



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Honestly Chris, I do delete most of the crap you send. If it's not
totally unreadable due to a really bad abuse of punctuation, it's just
rude, childish and I've not really seen you be all that helpful. So
here's a thought. Rather than telling the masses of people that are
tired of your attitude to ignore you, why not figure out why so many
have a problem with you? Everything I've seen you post has been rude
at best (I don't even like snarky because that's an understatement).
Now I'm sure you're going to respond cursing and screaming with a
bunch of bad punctuation, which is totally fine, I'm just hoping this
has a possibility of getting through to you. Also, if you're going to
criticise people for responding to get the last word in, it seems you
yourself should think about that criticism as well?
On 8/2/2015 5:02 PM, Phil Halton wrote:

The thing is Chris, you've got a snarky, smart mouth attitude. And
that's what turns people off. It turns them off to you into
whatever it is you're trying to get across in your message. If you
want people to listen to you and take you seriously, then try being
a little more tactful instead of being out and out insulting.

Sent from my IPhone



On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
 wrote:

I frankly know you haven't done anything wrong, and that's why I
apologised. You took the quote, but, part totally out of context.
I said what I said, and had you actually taken the time to read
my message, you'd a known that. Just for the record, I said I was
sorry for coming across so rudely.  I totally agree initially
that I over reacted in how I presented my original question.
This said however, I'm not sorry for the question itself.  That's
all I meant by the but thing.  I'm sorry for how I treated you,
but not for my initial question.  Is that too hard for you to
grasp?

Look, you created a list.  I don't agree with it, I think you're
violating the NDA, I've never once seen where it says you can
discuss it publicly or with other testers outside the community
forums, and each time I challenge any of you to show me where it
says that, you say go read the terms.  I have done so time after
time after time and don't see any reference, and none of you ever
take me up on my challenge, and show me word per word where it
says this is ok.  The point is, you obviously don't like me, you
don't appreciate me, so why do you keep writing me!  If I really
am a troll as you say, then grow up, move on, leave me alone, and
quit getting the last word for Christ sake!  I said initially I
was sorry, but then you had to come back with your remark that I
went against what I said initially, which you damn well know
isn't true!

If you don't want to hear my comments, then block me, as frankly,
I'm tired of the bullshit!  I made one? comment, is it really
worth this much list drama that you guys are producing?  Get over
it!  Move on!  The fat lady sang!

You all keep complaining about me, and saying just ignore me.  If
you wanna be mature, then practice what you preach!

Chris.

OK, now, rant aside, back to Apple! related things for pete
sakes!

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley"
 To:
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015
11:06 AM Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


You know what? I was being fairly nice to you, given your
treatment of me. But, as someone mentioned earlier, your apology
isn't really one, because you place the word but after it. Which
means you were completely disregarding everything you just said.
And I don't care to be treated like this. I've not done anything
wrong, and you need to shut your mouth.

Sent from my iPad


On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
 wrote:

Who's really the troll here?  I made one! Literally! One?
comment, and you idiots blew it outta perportion!

I'm sorry that you don't agree with my way of thinking, but I
apologized for my little outburst this morning!  You know what
though, as rude as you all're being in return, I wonder if my
apology should have been made to start with!  Frankly, E T is
right! There isn't a need, as frankly, no longer am! I sorry!
If you all wanna list to break the Apple terms of service, go
for it!  But be sure to ban me while you're at it, as frankly,
I have no intrest in joining a group consisting of bed-wetting
children/whiners!

You hear something you don't like, and you immediately then
initiate the chinwag of, he's a dick, he's a troll, etc. etc.

It takes one to know one!  That's all I

Re: add me on the public beta discussion i already submitted a request.

And, this only proves another! reason I absolutely refuse to join.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Stephanie" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: add me on the public beta discussion i already submitted a 
request.

Same here on my ipad mini.
Steph

- Original Message -
From: Dionipher Presas Herrera 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, August 3, 2015 6:27 am
Subject: add me on the public beta discussion i already submitted a 
request.

hello, i am on the beta too, please add me on the list.

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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

A friend of mine wrote me off list wonderring as well whe she's not gotten 
the so called question.


Hmm, so much for reliability.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Chris" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!



I haven't received the question either.

On 02/08/2015 21:41, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
Hey Aleeha. Could you please let me in to the public beta group? I sent a 
request at around 1 or 2 AM central and I never got this email with this 
question. Thanks.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
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Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
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Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

On Aug 1, 2015, at 10:39 PM, Aleeha Dudley  
wrote:


Hello,
I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!


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Re: add me on the public beta discussion i already submitted a request.

OK, Tylor, but when those people running those list advertise on a list like 
this, then they turn around and don't respond, I think it's everyone's right 
to complain, if you even want to call it that.  We're not complaining, as 
much as just confused why we've not gotten the message we've been promised.


Is that too much for you to grasp?

Chris.

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To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: add me on the public beta discussion i already submitted a 
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G uys,
If you have issues getting on a list, email the person who runs the
list directly if you don't mind. This isn't a "public beta complaint"
list, it's a list for discussion of OSX and Voiceover.

On 8/2/2015 6:05 PM, Stephanie wrote:

Same here on my ipad mini. Steph

- Original Message - From: Dionipher Presas Herrera
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Date:
Monday, August 3, 2015 6:27 am Subject: add me on the public beta
discussion i already submitted a request.




hello, i am on the beta too, please add me on the list.

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Re: apple beta discussion group created!


If you have thought of leaving, then, leave, for fuck sake!

We really don't give a rat's ass if you leave or don't!  Just do what suits 
you!  If you don't like my posts, then, tough titty said the kiddy, but the 
milk is fine!


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "CJ Daniel" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


Ditto!!!

I can’t even say how much I’m glad to see that I’m not the only one.  I hear 
“Christopher Mark” & I just delete.  Again, I’m so glad that it’s not just 
me.  In fact, since he’s become so much more active…”Christopher Mark” tags 
on darn near every email header…I’ve considered dropping this list.  Is this 
list moderated?


CJ


On Aug 2, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Littlefield, Tyler  
wrote:


-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Honestly Chris, I do delete most of the crap you send. If it's not
totally unreadable due to a really bad abuse of punctuation, it's just
rude, childish and I've not really seen you be all that helpful. So
here's a thought. Rather than telling the masses of people that are
tired of your attitude to ignore you, why not figure out why so many
have a problem with you? Everything I've seen you post has been rude
at best (I don't even like snarky because that's an understatement).
Now I'm sure you're going to respond cursing and screaming with a
bunch of bad punctuation, which is totally fine, I'm just hoping this
has a possibility of getting through to you. Also, if you're going to
criticise people for responding to get the last word in, it seems you
yourself should think about that criticism as well?
On 8/2/2015 5:02 PM, Phil Halton wrote:

The thing is Chris, you've got a snarky, smart mouth attitude. And
that's what turns people off. It turns them off to you into
whatever it is you're trying to get across in your message. If you
want people to listen to you and take you seriously, then try being
a little more tactful instead of being out and out insulting.

Sent from my IPhone



On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
 wrote:

I frankly know you haven't done anything wrong, and that's why I
apologised. You took the quote, but, part totally out of context.
I said what I said, and had you actually taken the time to read
my message, you'd a known that. Just for the record, I said I was
sorry for coming across so rudely.  I totally agree initially
that I over reacted in how I presented my original question.
This said however, I'm not sorry for the question itself.  That's
all I meant by the but thing.  I'm sorry for how I treated you,
but not for my initial question.  Is that too hard for you to
grasp?

Look, you created a list.  I don't agree with it, I think you're
violating the NDA, I've never once seen where it says you can
discuss it publicly or with other testers outside the community
forums, and each time I challenge any of you to show me where it
says that, you say go read the terms.  I have done so time after
time after time and don't see any reference, and none of you ever
take me up on my challenge, and show me word per word where it
says this is ok.  The point is, you obviously don't like me, you
don't appreciate me, so why do you keep writing me!  If I really
am a troll as you say, then grow up, move on, leave me alone, and
quit getting the last word for Christ sake!  I said initially I
was sorry, but then you had to come back with your remark that I
went against what I said initially, which you damn well know
isn't true!

If you don't want to hear my comments, then block me, as frankly,
I'm tired of the bullshit!  I made one? comment, is it really
worth this much list drama that you guys are producing?  Get over
it!  Move on!  The fat lady sang!

You all keep complaining about me, and saying just ignore me.  If
you wanna be mature, then practice what you preach!

Chris.

OK, now, rant aside, back to Apple! related things for pete
sakes!

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley"
 To:
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015
11:06 AM Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


You know what? I was being fairly nice to you, given your
treatment of me. But, as someone mentioned earlier, your apology
isn't really one, because you place the word but after it. Which
means you were completely disregarding everything you just said.
And I don't care to be treated like this. I've not done anything
wrong, and you need to shut your mouth.

Sent from my iPad


On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
 wrote:

Who's really the troll here?  I made one! Literally! One?
comment, and you idiots blew it outta perportion!

I'm sorry that you don't agree with my way of thinking, but I
apologized for my little outburst this morning!  You know what
though, as rude as you all're being in return, I wonder if my
apology should have been made to start with!  Frankly, E T is
right! There isn't a need, as frankly, no longer am! I sorry!
If you all wanna list to break

Re: apple beta discussion group created!

Thanks for your opinion.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "CJ Daniel" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!

You got that right.

CJ

On Aug 2, 2015, at 7:43 AM, Shaf  wrote:

Just ignore him. He's generally a dick where a lot of things are
concerned. Don't take it personally.

On 8/2/2015 1:02 PM, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind 
your own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just 
don't appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. 
Publicly being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not 
tolerate.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:

Aleeha wrote:

In order to join this group, you must be running at

least one of the betas.

And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running 
the betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?

Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so 
I can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I 
really am? on 9?

Chris.
Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Chris" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!

Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?

On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
Hello,
I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

Again, thank you for your time well wasted opinion.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "CJ Daniel" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!

Aleeha,

I applaud your efforts.  Every little bit helps.  As stated in another post, 
the sooner you start ignoring Christopher Mark, the better off we’ll all be. 
Sorry he’s such a bother.  By the way, pretty name.

CJ

On Aug 2, 2015, at 5:02 AM, Aleeha Dudley  
wrote:

I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind 
your own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just 
don't appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. 
Publicly being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:

Aleeha wrote:

In order to join this group, you must be running at

least one of the betas.

And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?

Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so 
I can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I 
really am? on 9?

Chris.
Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Chris" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!

Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?

On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
Hello,
I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!

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Re: apple beta discussion group created!


A? men!

I couldn't agree more, if you wanted me to do so!
Diddo to Daniel!  Plus1!

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Daniel Miller" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


I thought this list was for the discussion of OS X and VoiceOver, not a 
stomping ground for ridicule and what’s turning into near constant 
immaturity? Just saying...

On Aug 2, 2015, at 6:37 PM, CJ Daniel  wrote:

Aleeha,

I applaud your efforts.  Every little bit helps.  As stated in another 
post, the sooner you start ignoring Christopher Mark, the better off we’ll 
all be.  Sorry he’s such a bother.  By the way, pretty name.


CJ


On Aug 2, 2015, at 5:02 AM, Aleeha Dudley  
wrote:


I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind 
your own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just 
don't appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. 
Publicly being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not 
tolerate.


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Aleeha wrote:

In order to join this group, you must be running at

least one of the betas.


And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running 
the betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?


Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so 
I can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I 
really am? on 9?


Chris.
Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Chris" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!



Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?


On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
Hello,
I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!


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Re: apple beta discussion group created!


Face it, Devin, they're way too immature to see that.

I said I was sorry, and frankly, they should a dropped it at that point, but 
noo'oo'ooo! they had to be the terrible 2 bunch, as always.


It'll be miraculous to see them drop it, but realisticly, I don't think 
that's really going to happen, unfortunately.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Devin Prater" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


Look y'all. Stuff like this happens, then goes away. You want it to stop, 
then just let it stop.


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 2, 2015, at 6:50 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

I thought this list was for the discussion of OS X and VoiceOver, not a 
stomping ground for ridicule and what’s turning into near constant 
immaturity? Just saying...

On Aug 2, 2015, at 6:37 PM, CJ Daniel  wrote:

Aleeha,

I applaud your efforts.  Every little bit helps.  As stated in another 
post, the sooner you start ignoring Christopher Mark, the better off we’ll 
all be.  Sorry he’s such a bother.  By the way, pretty name.


CJ


On Aug 2, 2015, at 5:02 AM, Aleeha Dudley  
wrote:


I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind 
your own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just 
don't appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. 
Publicly being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not 
tolerate.


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Aleeha wrote:

In order to join this group, you must be running at

least one of the betas.


And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running 
the betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?


Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just 
so I can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I 
really am? on 9?


Chris.
Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Chris" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!



Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?


On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
Hello,
I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email 
is

blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!


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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

So, what're you then gonna do, CJ?  Remove my head, and bring it to King 
Herrod?

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "CJ Daniel" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!

Daniel,

You’re right.  However, when a person decides to act outside of the bounds 
of the conventions that govern a societies behavior, he or she must & should 
be called to task for their actions.  When they refuse to modify their 
behavior or incapable of doing so, then they must be removed from that 
society.  It happens everyday.  Sometime, it can be accomplished through 
ignoring the individual.  Unfortunately on the other hand, sometimes a 
person must be forcefully removed, as in being removed from a list.  A 
larger example of this in the world @ large would be imprisoning an 
individual whose behavior endangers fellow citizens.  The idea that no one 
is ever called to task or publicly ridiculed by the hive is both impractical 
and idealistic to a fault.  But, come to think of it, it does seem to be the 
politically correct thing to do these days.  Let’s consider the feelings of 
the offender over the feelings & standards of the offended.

CJ

On Aug 2, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

I thought this list was for the discussion of OS X and VoiceOver, not a 
stomping ground for ridicule and what’s turning into near constant 
immaturity? Just saying...

On Aug 2, 2015, at 6:37 PM, CJ Daniel  wrote:

Aleeha,

I applaud your efforts.  Every little bit helps.  As stated in another 
post, the sooner you start ignoring Christopher Mark, the better off we’ll 
all be.  Sorry he’s such a bother.  By the way, pretty name.

CJ

On Aug 2, 2015, at 5:02 AM, Aleeha Dudley  
wrote:

I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind 
your own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just 
don't appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. 
Publicly being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not 
tolerate.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:

Aleeha wrote:

In order to join this group, you must be running at

least one of the betas.

And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running 
the betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?

Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just 
so I can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I 
really am? on 9?

Chris.
Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Chris" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!

Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?

On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
Hello,
I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email 
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blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!

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Re: apple beta discussion group created!


Diddo Shawn!

I couldn't agree more!

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


Daniel, well said. I've been meaning to say something about this for about a 
few weeks now, but I decided to keep my mouth shut because I didn't want to 
get flamed. But since flaming has become an every day activity here it 
seems, I don't really care anymore. So here goes. Ever since the current 
moderator for this list, Cara Quin has decided to become M.I.A., I found 
that this Mac Visionaries list has gone down hill in terms of integrity. 
Everything from talking about pirating Apple beta software from basically 
bashing people and telling them where to go. If Cara decided to read some of 
these emails, guys, how appalled do you think she'd be? This isn't the Mac 
Visionaries list she created. This is the kind of BS that I would expect to 
read and she'd expect to read from the Zone BBS mailing list. And Cara, if 
you are reading this, I'd suggest you do something about this or hand the 
reins of moderation to someone else that will do something about it. No 
disrespect to you but this needs to stop. Moderation is important for a 
mailing list or it becomes a sea of chaos and anarchy like it is now.


Shawn
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On Aug 2, 2015, at 6:50 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

I thought this list was for the discussion of OS X and VoiceOver, not a 
stomping ground for ridicule and what’s turning into near constant 
immaturity? Just saying...

On Aug 2, 2015, at 6:37 PM, CJ Daniel  wrote:

Aleeha,

I applaud your efforts.  Every little bit helps.  As stated in another 
post, the sooner you start ignoring Christopher Mark, the better off we’ll 
all be.  Sorry he’s such a bother.  By the way, pretty name.


CJ


On Aug 2, 2015, at 5:02 AM, Aleeha Dudley  
wrote:


I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind 
your own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just 
don't appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. 
Publicly being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not 
tolerate.


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Aleeha wrote:

In order to join this group, you must be running at

least one of the betas.


And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running 
the betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?


Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just 
so I can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I 
really am? on 9?


Chris.
Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Chris" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!



Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?


On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
Hello,
I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email 
is

blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!


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Re: after upgqading to win10 in bootcamp, here's what happened!

Thanks for letting us all know about this.  I was debating updating, but now 
that I know, I won't.

Chris.

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Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: after upgqading to win10 in bootcamp, here's what happened!

Yep. I have the same problem. I'm guessing the Boot Camp drivers have to be 
updated.

Rerunning the installation doesn't help.

Sent from my iPhone

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On 3 Aug 2015, at 1:13 pm, Joe Quinn  wrote:

anyone have this issue? my fn keys don't work. it's as if it doesn't 
exist. whereas in win7, they worked fine! and yes, the option in bootcamp 
prefs is checked to use all f keys as soft5 function keys, just like it 
was in 7. I don't know if redownloading bootcamp setup files will work, 
guess I could try. anyone got any ideas? thanks!

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Re: add me on the public beta discussion i already submitted a request.


Hi I got the request and filled it out.

On 03/08/2015 07:23, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

OK, Tylor, but when those people running those list advertise on a list
like this, then they turn around and don't respond, I think it's
everyone's right to complain, if you even want to call it that.  We're
not complaining, as much as just confused why we've not gotten the
message we've been promised.

Is that too much for you to grasp?

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Littlefield, Tyler"

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: add me on the public beta discussion i already submitted a
request.



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G uys,
If you have issues getting on a list, email the person who runs the
list directly if you don't mind. This isn't a "public beta complaint"
list, it's a list for discussion of OSX and Voiceover.

On 8/2/2015 6:05 PM, Stephanie wrote:

Same here on my ipad mini. Steph

- Original Message - From: Dionipher Presas Herrera
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Monday, August 3, 2015 6:27 am Subject: add me on the public beta
discussion i already submitted a request.




hello, i am on the beta too, please add me on the list.

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Re: add me on the public beta discussion i already submitted a request.

Hi Chris they do ask for verification purposes where the Feedback 
Assistant is. I think this is good, as if one doesn't have it, then they 
can't be verified to run the beta and thus join the list.


On 03/08/2015 07:20, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

And, this only proves another! reason I absolutely refuse to join.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Stephanie" 
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Subject: Re: add me on the public beta discussion i already submitted a
request.



Same here on my ipad mini.
Steph

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hello, i am on the beta too, please add me on the list.

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Re: add me on the public beta discussion i already submitted a request.