Re: does Firefox work for us

[Andrew Lamanche]

Yes, I’ve noticed Google Chrome is unusable on some pages.  Sad!
> On 9 Nov 2014, at 03:43, Michael Marshall  wrote:
> 
> i spoke to a developer in the accessibility Department of Firefox and 
> basically he told me that Windows development has priority at Firefox in 
> terms of accessibility at the moment.
> Personally I do not think Firefox will ever be accessible on the Mac.
> Talking of browsers and accessibility has anyone noticed the reduction in 
> accessibility of google crome under the new mac OS? it just seems harder to 
> move around pages mind you, I think in some small ways safari has gone 
> backwards, an example you ask? Try hitting command left bracket   to go back 
> a page, Safari never remembers your position and Voice over talks a lot of 
> nonsense.
>> On 9 Nov 2014, at 1:18 pm, Scott Berry  wrote:
>> 
>> Jonothan,
>> 
>> Does Firefox bring up a blank window once installed and ran?  Usually in 
>> Windows, for example, it will bring up a page about Firefox itself.  I can 
>> certainly try it again.  I have reported this error to Apple twice already.  
>> I am going to have to do this again.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 8, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have used both Firefox and Chrome with speech. Sometimes ChomeVOX  the 
>>> chrome screen reader will work better than VoiceOver on a specific page. 
>>> Also, don’t forget to report your crashes to Apple!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 8, 2014, at 8:41 AM, Scott Berry  wrote:
>>> 
Hi there,
 
 I was wondering does Firefox work for us?  If not what other browsers 
 besides Safari do?  I have a college web site I go to crashing out on me 
 when I put discussions in to their edit box and I have notified Apple and 
 also the school.
 
 
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Re: Big news for all Microsoft Office and or iOS fans!

[BobH.]

"a custom gesture: a two-finger double-tap to open an edit menu for a cell."

Surprised that doesn't start music or answer a call, close a call, prevent 
some of those, or open cells when trying to do any of those other things. 
That's hardly a custom gesture since it's fundamental to the rest of iOs.

I've come across the Rotor concept in other apps which then conflict with 
the VoiceOver one.
This, in essence, is the same as that; i.e:  it's a fundamental VoiceOver 
gesture already.

Rh.

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From: "Grant Hardy" 
To: "MacVisionaries List" 
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: Big news for all Microsoft Office and or iOS fans!


Hello Chris and list,

It’s obvious that Microsoft has put some thought into how VO accessibility 
should be implemented throughout this suite, so I hate to be too picky. 
Nevertheless, here are my first impressions of the iPhone version of 
Microsoft Office. I do not currently have access to the iPad version so I 
cannot comment on its functionality. I do, however, have an Office 365 
subscription, so I have full access to the suite.

In the iPhone version of Word, I haven’t figured out how to do too much 
beyond basic text editing. For example, I am unable to work with tables as I 
can in Pages. I also found that navigating by line with VO could sometimes 
be unreliable in that VO would stop speaking the contents of the line under 
the cursor, but I am also experiencing this problem in some other apps while 
running iOS 8.1 so it may not be a Microsoft Word issue.

Microsoft Excel seems to be the most accessible app in the suite. There are 
custom voiceover hints built-in as well as a custom gesture: a two-finger 
double-tap to open an edit menu for a cell. I am quite impressed with my 
first tour of Excel.

Microsoft PowerPoint has clearly also had some accessibility built in, but 
on my iPhone 5s running iOS 8.1 it simply crashes too much to be usable. It 
is clear that both playing and editing presentations have great potential to 
work with VO as most of the controls speak well. I was able to open a large 
PowerPoint presentation and move through the slides and see the content of 
each slide. I was also able to select one of the text boxes in my 
presentation to begin editing it. Unfortunately, before I do much I am 
usually faced with the app crashing. At that point you have to re-launch the 
app and start afresh, only to find, at least on my device, that it crashes 
again before too long.

These apps integrate with a number of places for storing files including 
Dropbox, which I am very impressed with. The menu options also appear to be 
quite accessible. In short, the apps have a great foundation and with some 
improvements may turn out to be a wonderful productivity suite, but I can’t 
rely on them yet, with the exception, perhaps, of Excel.

Grant

Sent from mobile

On Nov 7, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Christopher Hallsworth  
wrote:

Hi all
Yes, Microsoft Office is now available for iPhone, iPod Touch and iPad at a 
right price, absolutely free! You can download the individual apps Word, 
Excel and PowerPoint right now from your nearest App Store. Best of all, it 
is very, very accessible! I tried both Word and Excel and can get the basics 
at least done with full VoiceOver support! I congratulate Microsoft on their 
efforts, and hope they keep it this way and is a good sign for things to 
come, such as an accessible Office for OS X.
Enjoy!

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Re: Abridged summary of macvisionaries@googlegroups.com - 27 updates in 11 topics

[Adrienne Chalmers]

Take picture of dog for avatar

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> On 8 Nov 2014, at 21:20, macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
> 
> 
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   Google Groups   
> Today's topic summary 
> View all topics
> latest osx upgrade - 1 Update
> Airdrop again. - 8 Updates
> does Firefox work for us - 2 Updates
> bootcamp question - 2 Updates
> Big news for all Microsoft Office and or iOS fans! - 6 Updates
> Moving item to the desktop - 3 Updates
> OCR apps? - 1 Update
> Apple Scripts - 1 Update
> (old) bug with voiceover - 1 Update
> blu-rays and mac osX - 1 Update
> Regarding GarageBand, of which no one is responding to! - 1 Update
> latest osx upgrade   
> Deedra Waters : Nov 08 10:52AM -0800 
> 
> I saw some that had problems with the latest osx upgrade What i want
> to know is how much trouble am i going to have upgrading as a new mac
> user? My macbook air didn't come with the latest ...more 
> Back to top
> Airdrop again.   
> Anders Holmberg : Nov 08 01:02AM +0100 
> 
> Hej!
> Ok, odd.
> I will try that one but i don’t think it will work.
> But i give it a go.
> /A 
> ...more 
> Anders Holmberg : Nov 08 01:04AM +0100 
> 
> Hi!
> Strange.
> From what i read on the apple page it should support macs from 2010.
> BUt if you’r right then i have to go for a new mac i think.
> I would be happy to be able to just send files ...more 
> Alex Hall : Nov 07 08:44PM -0500 
> 
> This isn't a replacement for iTunes, at least not completely. I don't know 
> what might happen if you send audio to an iOS device, but I'm not sure that 
> it will be added to your music library. ...more 
> Krister Ekstrom : Nov 08 09:54AM +0100 
> 
> Hi, Airdrop doesn’t work properly on my mid 2011 IMac either. I have Do not 
> disturb off or rather i have it in scheduled mode so it starts at 9.30 PM CST 
> and goes until 9.00 AM CST but even when do ...more 
> Krister Ekstrom : Nov 08 09:55AM +0100 
> 
> How do i determine what Bluetooth i have?
> /Krister
>  
> ...more 
> Anders Holmberg : Nov 08 11:36AM +0100 
> 
> Hi!
> Ok, i want to send my file from the mac to my ipad.
> Its a daisy book i want to read.
> Its zipped so i know i can open it in voice-dream-reader when its sent to the 
> ipad.
> /A
> ...more 
> Alex Hall : Nov 08 08:37AM -0500 
> 
> Okay, have Airdrop on the iPad enabled, and set to "everyone" just in case. 
> Now find the zip file on the Mac, vo-shift-m, open the Share menu, and choose 
> Airdrop.
>  
> As to supported Macs, Google has ...more 
> "Jonathan C. Cohn" : Nov 08 01:02PM -0500 
> 
> Could this type of transfer also be done with the new iCloud functionality? 
> Perhaps we could get VoiceStream developers to create a Macintosh version 
> that allows continuity transactions to transition ...more 
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> does Firefox work for us   
> Scott Berry : Nov 08 06:41AM -0700 
> 
> Hi there,
>  
> I was wondering does Firefox work for us? If not what other browsers besides 
> Safari do? I have a college web site I go to crashing out on me when I put 
> discussions in to their edit box ...more 
> "Jonathan C. Cohn" : Nov 08 12:48PM -0500 
> 
> I have used both Firefox and Chrome with speech. Sometimes ChomeVOX the 
> chrome screen reader will work better than VoiceOver on a specific page. 
> Also, don’t forget to report your crashes to Apple! ...more 
> Back to top
> bootcamp question   
> "Jonathan C. Cohn" : Nov 08 12:44PM -0500 
> 
> I know there have been some recent posts about bootcamp and startup so I 
> won’t answer those. If you want or security of FileVault for your Macintosh 
> disk than every time the computer power is turned ...more 
> "Jonathan C. Cohn" : Nov 08 12:46PM -0500 
> 
> Sorry, now I remember what else I wanted to say. 
>  
> If you turn off file vault, then the macintosh will start decrypting your 
> files, and once that process is done then the Macintosh will prompt for 
> ...more 
> Back to top
> Big news for all Microsoft Office and or iOS fans! 
> Christopher Hallsworth : Nov 07 10:49PM 
> 
> Hi all
> Yes, Microsoft Office is now available for iPhone, iPod Touch and iPad 
> at a right price, absolutely free! You can download the individual apps 
> Word, Excel and PowerPoint right now from ...more 
> Yolanda : Nov 07 04:40PM -0700 
> 
> Really? I was unable to get text into the edit field without it trying 
> to make me subscribe. Am I doing something wrong?
>  
> On 11/7/2014 3:49 PM, Christopher Hallsworth wrote:
> ...more 
> Nicholas Parsons : Nov 08 12:16PM +1100 
> 
> Is it free to create and edit documents as well as view them? Or do you need 
> a Microsoft 365 subscription for that? If you need the subscription then that 
> news is nothing new. They’ve been available ...more 
> Chris Blouch : Nov 07 11:12PM -0500 
> 
> This article goes over what you get and what you don't with the free 
> version:
>  
> http://www.macworld.com/article/2844476/office-goes-free-on-phones-and-tablets-what-you-get-and-what-you-dont.html
> ..

Re: latest osx upgrade

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Unfortunately, OS X 10.10.1 is currently a beta so due to the NDA, we testers 
can't share any improvements that it might have.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook

> On Nov 9, 2014, at 1:40 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Hi. Does osx 10.10.1 fix any VOICEOVER issues? 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2014, at 5:01 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Deedra. I have no problems here with Yosemite, just the occasional slow 
>> down. It's what you're comfortable to use that matters. People might 
>> recommend though that since you're new to the Mac, you shouldn't upgrade and 
>> then be learn be forced to learn another operating system.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> 
>>> On Nov 8, 2014, at 12:52 PM, Deedra Waters  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I saw some that had problems with the latest osx upgrade What i want
>>> to know is how much trouble am i going to have upgrading as a new mac
>>> user? My macbook air didn't come with the latest version so i
>>> apparrently have to upgrade and i dont want to break things!!! Any
>>> suggestions would be appreciated
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Re: Decibel from sbooth.org

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Yes, I've seen this one.  Is anyone finding any issue with it?  Also MPlayerX.

I've been looking for the iTunes alternative for filesystem-based playback for 
a while now …

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opening not authorized programs

[William Windels]

Hello,

I was trying to open a program that I have downloaded from the internet but I 
couldn’t do that because my security settings where set to allow only programs 
to install from the app store and known developers.

Perhaps , this is a good/save option but sometimes , I would like to install 
other programs also.

I know , I can change this in the security pannel but there is also a option 
with control and clicking on the program to allow to install that program only.

My question: is there a way for vo-users to select this option for one time 
with a similar procedure?

Kind regards,
William Windels

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Re: opening not authorized programs

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Hi, yes you can do this just fine using VoiceOver.  Simply press VO+Shift+M to 
open the shortcut menu and choose Open.

Of course, do be sure the app you want to run is actually legitimate and 
obtained from a reputable source, else all the effort OS X has put into helping 
you will have been for nothing.  I don't know many apps now not signed though, 
except for my own software and software that was never intended for the Apple 
ecosystem.

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Re: opening not authorized programs

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi William,

Yes you can.  Once you receive the warning message, press okay on it and then 
in application folder, find your newly downloaded app, activate contextual menu 
with vo+shift+m and choose open.  You will get a different warning now with the 
“open” and “cancel” button.  Choose open.

Andrew
> On 9 Nov 2014, at 13:03, William Windels  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I was trying to open a program that I have downloaded from the internet but I 
> couldn’t do that because my security settings where set to allow only 
> programs to install from the app store and known developers.
> 
> Perhaps , this is a good/save option but sometimes , I would like to install 
> other programs also.
> 
> I know , I can change this in the security pannel but there is also a option 
> with control and clicking on the program to allow to install that program 
> only.
> 
> My question: is there a way for vo-users to select this option for one time 
> with a similar procedure?
> 
> Kind regards,
> William Windels
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Voiceover doesn't read attachment name after it's been attached in the body of the message

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi,

Under Mavericks, once I’ve pasted an attachment into the body of a new message, 
Voiceover would read the name of this attachment.  Under Yosemite, all I can 
hear is attachment image.  Can anyone reproduce this changed behaviour of 
Voiceover under Yosemite?

Andrew

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Re: Voiceover doesn't read attachment name after it's been attached in the body of the message

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Andrew,

Yes, I’m seeing the same thing. I check I’ve got the right attachment by 
getting a contextual menu and doing quick look.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 9 Nov 2014, at 14:52, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Under Mavericks, once I’ve pasted an attachment into the body of a new 
> message, Voiceover would read the name of this attachment.  Under Yosemite, 
> all I can hear is attachment image.  Can anyone reproduce this changed 
> behaviour of Voiceover under Yosemite?
> 
> Andrew
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Re: Voiceover doesn't read attachment name after it's been attached in the body of the message

[Andrew Lamanche]

Dear Anne,

Thank you for taking the time to confirm this.  I shall report  the changed 
behaviour of Viceover to accessibility at Apple.

Best wishes

Andrew
> On 9 Nov 2014, at 16:27, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Andrew,
> 
> Yes, I’m seeing the same thing. I check I’ve got the right attachment by 
> getting a contextual menu and doing quick look.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 9 Nov 2014, at 14:52, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Under Mavericks, once I’ve pasted an attachment into the body of a new 
>> message, Voiceover would read the name of this attachment.  Under Yosemite, 
>> all I can hear is attachment image.  Can anyone reproduce this changed 
>> behaviour of Voiceover under Yosemite?
>> 
>> Andrew
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Mac OS 10 and viruses

[Joe Quinn]

If you have multiple user accounts on one Mac machine and you get a virus on 
one of them, does it  affect all the user accounts on that machine, or just 
yours? Thanks.

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Safari Podcast 6

[David Griffith]

Someone has emailed me to report that Sendspace has weirdly renamed my  
Safari Podcast Part 6 on searching so that the file extension is mp36 
rather than mp3. I have deleted this version and re-uploaded the 
original file  which has the correct mp3 extension. Of course if you 
have downloaded a version with this incorrect extension you also have 
the option of renaming the original file extension from mp36 to mp3 
yourself.  The file will then play  fine. I downloaded  the file myself 
to test his and the actual file is not corrupted just renamed. Very odd.


Alternatively there is an updated link in the list below.
Podcast List


Using Safari on the Mac Part 6 -- Searching Basics, Google Search and 
Google Snapback.


https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/1ur8fz

Safari Part 7 YouTube

https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/jim2ys

Previous Podcasts

Using Safari on the Mac Part 6 -- Searching Basics, Google Search and 
Google Snapback.


https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/1ur8fz

UsingSafari on the Mac Part 5. Strategies for using and customising the 
Reading List.


https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/wmbw5w

Using Safari on the Mac Part 4. Flexible Web with Sweet spots and Reader 
commands.


https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/alr2yi

Using Safari on the Mac Part 3 Bookmarking part 2- Launching bookmarks 
and bookmarks folders from the Desktop / or the Dock.


https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/04aj3b

Blank URL document template to use if dragging and dropping does not 
work on your Mac to create bookmark shortcuts.


https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/gvj63a

Using Safari on the Mac Part 2 . Bookmarking Part 1 Bookmarking, 
organising bookmark folders and


and organising quick access to Favourite web sites through the 
Favourites bar keystrokes.


https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/fpye9z

Using Safari on the Mac Part 1 -- The pros and cons of Quick Nav and the 
Web rota.


https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/qtftnl

Using VLC to play upto 1000Radio Stations on the Mac

https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/uev995

Working Radio Stream Folder and sub folders containing over 1,000 Radio 
Streams as explained in the above Podcast.


https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/8v58fh

Using VLC to play an RNIB Talking Books on the Mac with Variable Speed.

https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/kve0ky.

Easy Music Listening with Column Browser in iTunes

https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/gp431y

iTunes Part 2 Using Playlist to listen to RNIB and Mp3 Talking Books

https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/e6kohy

Spell Checking on the Mac Part 1

https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/uuul6e

Spell Checking on the Mac Part 2

https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/z5wvc8

Part 3 Proof Reading on the Mac.

https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/b3m395

An Introduction to the QFeed RSS Newsreader on the Mac

https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/02uu48

Adding an RSS Feed from Safari to QFeed.

https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/tr5unm


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Re: Airdrop again.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Ok. i try until it works.
I saw that there was a continuity activation tool out there.
I downloaded it and tried it but no luck so far.
Something is weird here.
Ok, its not the biggest issue but i just want to send a zipped daisybook to my 
ipad and open it with voice dream.
Ofcourse i can do this other ways to.
Just wanted to see if it works and it didn’t
/A
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> 8 nov 2014 kl. 02:44 skrev Alex Hall :
> 
> This isn't a replacement for iTunes, at least not completely. I don't know 
> what might happen if you send audio to an iOS device, but I'm not sure that 
> it will be added to your music library. Worth trying, of course, but I 
> wouldn't count on replacing iTunes with Air Drop. As to the supported Macs, 
> the key is bluetooth 4.0, also called bluetooth low energy, or just BLE. If 
> you device has that, and is from 2011 or later (I believe that's the year a 
> special type of wifi chip started being used that Air Drop also uses) it 
> should work.
>> On Nov 7, 2014, at 7:04 PM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Strange.
>> From what i read on the apple page it should support macs from 2010.
>> BUt if you’r right then i have to go for a new mac i think.
>> I would be happy to be able to just send files directly to my iphone without 
>> using any cables and itunes.
>> /Ae 
>>> 7 nov 2014 kl. 14:17 skrev Jonathan C. Cohn >> >:
>>> 
>>> I caught airdrop on mac to iOS only worked with Max greater than 2012.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 7, 2014, at 7:55 AM, Jürgen Fleger >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Andrew,
 
 did you switch off "Do not disturbe? on the iPad. Sorry, I don't know the 
 correct term on an english machine but it should be quite similar. I 
 accedentally noticed that my Mac doesn't find my iPhone if this mode is 
 switched on.
 
 All the best
 Jürgen
 
 
 
> Am 07.11.2014 um 13:45 schrieb Anders Holmberg  >:
> 
> Hi!
> Its quite frustrating that airdrop does not work together with my mac and 
> ipad.
> I have looked at the apple site and it says that you have to have a mac 
> from 2010 from what i understand.
> My is from mid 2011.
> I have bluetooth on and wifi on but they wont find eachother.
> /A
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Re: does Firefox work for us

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I use google chrome which works quite well with voiceover.
Firefox is very or was very sluggish with voiceover so i wouldn’t recomend it.
/A 
> 8 nov 2014 kl. 14:41 skrev Scott Berry :
> 
>   Hi there,
> 
> I was wondering does Firefox work for us?  If not what other browsers besides 
> Safari do?  I have a college web site I go to crashing out on me when I put 
> discussions in to their edit box and I have notified Apple and also the 
> school.
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Re: how to add a 100 MB partition to my other partition

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Is this 100MB partition on the same drive? Was it created with Bootcamp 
assistant or just when creating the partition map? Disk partitions on Yosemite 
are a bit different than on earlier system, so you should probably look up a 
recent technical document. The boot partition in Yosemite uses the technology 
used in Fusion drives that merge a SSD and a regular disk drive into one single 
volume. It might be that there is a volume manager to handle this. 

In some respects int might be just as well to keep the partition separate and 
mount it as part of the process.  
Best wishes,

Jonathan



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> Hello there,
> 
> I have a dangling 100MB partition.  I’d like to add it to my Yosemite 
> partition.  How does one do this?
> 
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Can't find the voice dream reader file sharing table in latest itunes on mavericks

[Lee Jones]

Dear List, I can no longer find the voice dream file sharing documents table  
with latest itunes on mavericks.  My idevice is running 8.1 and I assume the 
latest voice dream reader as I have autoupdate turned on.  I would be grateful 
for any assistance.

Kind Regards, Lee

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Re: Big news for all Microsoft Office and or iOS fans!

[Grant Hardy]

Hi Bob,

Well, I suppose I could have clarified my message further. You are obviously 
correct in that the two-finger double-tap gesture is hardly a new one for 
VoiceOver users; it is in fact used extensively throughout the system. The 
reason I referred to Excel as having a "custom gesture" is because of the 
custom behaviour that Microsoft implemented for this gesture (e.g. showing 
editing options for a cell).

I agree that another approach that didn't conflict with normal VoiceOver 
behaviour may have been better.

Grant
Grant
Grant
Grant

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On Nov 9, 2014, at 12:26 AM, BobH.  wrote:

"a custom gesture: a two-finger double-tap to open an edit menu for a cell."

Surprised that doesn't start music or answer a call, close a call, prevent 
some of those, or open cells when trying to do any of those other things. 
That's hardly a custom gesture since it's fundamental to the rest of iOs.

I've come across the Rotor concept in other apps which then conflict with 
the VoiceOver one.
This, in essence, is the same as that; i.e:  it's a fundamental VoiceOver 
gesture already.

Rh.

- Original Message - 
From: "Grant Hardy" 
To: "MacVisionaries List" 
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: Big news for all Microsoft Office and or iOS fans!


Hello Chris and list,

It’s obvious that Microsoft has put some thought into how VO accessibility 
should be implemented throughout this suite, so I hate to be too picky. 
Nevertheless, here are my first impressions of the iPhone version of 
Microsoft Office. I do not currently have access to the iPad version so I 
cannot comment on its functionality. I do, however, have an Office 365 
subscription, so I have full access to the suite.

In the iPhone version of Word, I haven’t figured out how to do too much 
beyond basic text editing. For example, I am unable to work with tables as I 
can in Pages. I also found that navigating by line with VO could sometimes 
be unreliable in that VO would stop speaking the contents of the line under 
the cursor, but I am also experiencing this problem in some other apps while 
running iOS 8.1 so it may not be a Microsoft Word issue.

Microsoft Excel seems to be the most accessible app in the suite. There are 
custom voiceover hints built-in as well as a custom gesture: a two-finger 
double-tap to open an edit menu for a cell. I am quite impressed with my 
first tour of Excel.

Microsoft PowerPoint has clearly also had some accessibility built in, but 
on my iPhone 5s running iOS 8.1 it simply crashes too much to be usable. It 
is clear that both playing and editing presentations have great potential to 
work with VO as most of the controls speak well. I was able to open a large 
PowerPoint presentation and move through the slides and see the content of 
each slide. I was also able to select one of the text boxes in my 
presentation to begin editing it. Unfortunately, before I do much I am 
usually faced with the app crashing. At that point you have to re-launch the 
app and start afresh, only to find, at least on my device, that it crashes 
again before too long.

These apps integrate with a number of places for storing files including 
Dropbox, which I am very impressed with. The menu options also appear to be 
quite accessible. In short, the apps have a great foundation and with some 
improvements may turn out to be a wonderful productivity suite, but I can’t 
rely on them yet, with the exception, perhaps, of Excel.

Grant

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On Nov 7, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Christopher Hallsworth  
wrote:

Hi all
Yes, Microsoft Office is now available for iPhone, iPod Touch and iPad at a 
right price, absolutely free! You can download the individual apps Word, 
Excel and PowerPoint right now from your nearest App Store. Best of all, it 
is very, very accessible! I tried both Word and Excel and can get the basics 
at least done with full VoiceOver support! I congratulate Microsoft on their 
efforts, and hope they keep it this way and is a good sign for things to 
come, such as an accessible Office for OS X.
Enjoy!

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Re: Mac OS 10 and viruses

[Grant Hardy]

It obviously depends on the malware or virus in question, but I'd count on the 
entire system being compromised. Your priority should be to eliminate the virus 
as quickly as possible, or even reformat your entire drive and start over. Are 
you noticing any strange symptoms? The website www.thesafemac.com seems to 
offer sound security advice for OS X.

Grant

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On Nov 9, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Joe Quinn  wrote:

If you have multiple user accounts on one Mac machine and you get a virus on 
one of them, does it  affect all the user accounts on that machine, or just 
yours? Thanks.

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Re: Mac OS 10 and viruses

[Joe Quinn]

I don't have any viruses. Me and my wife were  just talking about viruses and I 
thought that it would be  just a user account that would be compromised.

Sent from my iPhone

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> It obviously depends on the malware or virus in question, but I'd count on 
> the entire system being compromised. Your priority should be to eliminate the 
> virus as quickly as possible, or even reformat your entire drive and start 
> over. Are you noticing any strange symptoms? The website www.thesafemac.com 
> seems to offer sound security advice for OS X.
> 
> Grant
> 
> Sent from mobile
> 
> On Nov 9, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Joe Quinn  wrote:
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> If you have multiple user accounts on one Mac machine and you get a virus on 
> one of them, does it  affect all the user accounts on that machine, or just 
> yours? Thanks.
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RE: odd cursor behavior with VO and Mail tables

[M. Taylor]

Hello Mark B.

Did you ever resolve your mail navigation problem?

Mark T.






From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mark Baxter
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 7:47 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: odd cursor behavior with VO and Mail tables

I’m having an issue with Voiceover’s operation within Mail under Yosemite.  I 
read my mail by interacting with the messages table and cursoring down through 
subject fields.  When I want to read the text of a message, I use VO-J to get 
to the message content area and read it.  Now, though, when I hit VO-J, my VO 
mac’s cursor is not moving to the message content area, but the VO cursor still 
is.  The result is that I can read a message’s content with my VO cursor, but 
my native cursor is still in the messages table, and if I use the arrow keys 
without VO keys, my focus moves to an entirely different message, and the 
content area changes.  I have checked that the VO cursor is following the PC 
cursor.  I’ve checked that cursor tracking is on.  I’ve restarted VO and even 
the entire computer.  My cursors keep separating in Mail, and I don’t like it.  
Any fixes for this?


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http://MarkBurningHawk.net/

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Cursor tracking problems when using my trackpad

[Agent086b]

Hello all,
in the past week or so I am being driven mad by VO when using my trackpad.
When flicking right  either in Safari or on my desktop I have the following 
problem.
VO will read something else on the screen before where I am. EG if on the 
desktop I will hear Macintosh HD as I flick through the icons then the one I am 
on. If in Safari if flicking down through headings I may hear what page I am on 
then the heading. Cursor tracking says it is on. It is obvious that some cursor 
is just not following. It is so bad I am giving up reading newspaper. I can 
jump to headings with QuickNav on but when I flick through an article it then 
reads some other part of the screen.
Does anybody else have this problem? If so do you have a fix.
I am using latest Safari and Yosemite.
Thanks for any help.
Max

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