date:20141025

Thank you so very much for this. Though I am not an AT&T customer, I know 
people who are; therefore I could share this article and make them aware.

Pam Francis

On Oct 24, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Barry Hadder  wrote:

Hello all:
Be ware of using Apple’s new universal SIM with ATT.
http://www.macrumors.com/2014/10/24/att-apple-sim/

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changing the default incoming call sound for Skype on a mac

2014-10-25 Thread Dean Adams

Hi All,
Just incase you may not like the default sound that skkype uses for its 
event’s like incoming call you can change it with the following method you will 
have to have a sound with an M 4 A extension which can be from you ringtones by 
making a copy of it and changeing the exxtension by pressing edit and changing 
the extension from m 4 R to M 34 A .

Changing the default ringing tone in Skype for the mac 

1: go to the Skype preferences with command comma 
2: once preferences is open go to the notifications press VO space bar to 
select. stop interacting with the tool bar VO right arrow to details and event 
there is an event called incoming call , VO right arrow incoming call which is 
just after play sound VO space bar to bring up the sound selection menu .
3: Go to the bottom of that list and there is an add slash remove button V O 
space bar to select a new window comes up if you have not added any new sounds 
the table will be empty .
4: VO right arrow to the add button then navigate to the sidebar interact with 
VO shift down arrow navigate to the music or wherever you store any music or 
sounds with an m4a extension select the one you want then stop interacting and 
VO right arrow to the open button .then VO right arrow to the done button.
5: Now you will have a sound to choose from instead of the normal default one, 
you can do this for any of the  events .
6: Just to finish if you have any ringtones with an m 4 r extension just copy 
it to a different folder and press edit on it and change the extension from M 4 
R to M4 A.


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Re: Impressions of iCloud Drive so far?

2014-10-25 Thread Jeff Berwick

Where do the files get stored on a Windows machine?  I have signed up, but 
haven't transferred my files over from Dropbox yet, because I'm just not sure 
I've located where they will be on my Windows machine.

Thx,
Jeff

> On Oct 24, 2014, at 11:08 PM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
> 
> I like it on the Mac and on the PC but I still think ICloud is weird
> on the phone. It's technically not as compartmentalized but it's still
> hard to get to different parts of it because you can't really browse
> there. I want an ICloud Drive app like the DB or One Drive apps I use
> now. So for me, it has just created more confusion.
> 
> On 10/24/14, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I (perhaps unwisely) use Dropbox as primary storage for my files, with the
>> obvious local backups just in case. However, I'd like to switch to iCloud
>> Drive, so that my files will be more tightly integrated with iOS, and so I
>> can pay for storage with my iTunes account.
>> 
>> Before I do, I'd like to hear how others have found the service so far, if
>> you use it. There was that bug that caused some folders to be erased if you
>> did a settings reset on iOS, but aside from that I've heard nothing bad.
>> Still, what do you think? Will you use it now, or wait? If the latter, why?
>> Any accessibility problems (I expect not, but one never knows)?
>> 
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How do I add a recipient in the Messages app?

Hi all,

How do I add a recipient from contacts when composing a new message in the 
messages app?  What I've done is:
1.  Click Add recipient.
2.  Type the first letters of the contact name in the search field.
3. Arrow over and interact with the list of suggested names.
4.  this is where I get stuck.  I highlight the contact, but nothing I do seems 
to select it.  I've tried pressing space, enter, and VO-Space, all with no luck.

Appreciate any help.
Best,
Donna


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Re: How do I add a recipient in the Messages app?

2014-10-25 Thread John Sanfilippo

,

I hope someone gives you a better answer than this, but when I was using iOS7, 
I found that starting in Notes and Sharing that note worked far better than 
ever bothering with messages.

John S


  - Original Message - 
  From: Donna Goodin 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 8:35 AM
  Subject: How do I add a recipient in the Messages app?


  Hi all,

  How do I add a recipient from contacts when composing a new message in the 
messages app?  What I've done is:
  1.  Click Add recipient.
  2.  Type the first letters of the contact name in the search field.
  3. Arrow over and interact with the list of suggested names.
  4.  this is where I get stuck.  I highlight the contact, but nothing I do 
seems to select it.  I've tried pressing space, enter, and VO-Space, all with 
no luck.

  Appreciate any help.
  Best,
  Donna


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Re: How do I add a recipient in the Messages app?

Well, I'm trying to do it on the Mac, not on an IOS device.  I've never had 
trouble adding recipients on an i-device.  To do that, you just move to the 
contact you want in the list, double tap them, and when their contact opens up, 
just select the number or email you want to use.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Oct 25, 2014, at 7:44 AM, John Sanfilippo  wrote:
> 
> ,
>  
> I hope someone gives you a better answer than this, but when I was using 
> iOS7, I found that starting in Notes and Sharing that note worked far better 
> than ever bothering with messages.
>  
> John S
>  
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Donna Goodin 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 8:35 AM
>> Subject: How do I add a recipient in the Messages app?
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> How do I add a recipient from contacts when composing a new message in the 
>> messages app?  What I've done is:
>> 1.  Click Add recipient.
>> 2.  Type the first letters of the contact name in the search field.
>> 3. Arrow over and interact with the list of suggested names.
>> 4.  this is where I get stuck.  I highlight the contact, but nothing I do 
>> seems to select it.  I've tried pressing space, enter, and VO-Space, all 
>> with no luck.
>> 
>> Appreciate any help.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> 
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Re: Impressions of iCloud Drive so far?

2014-10-25 Thread Deb Lewis

It creates an ICloud drive folder under your user just like Dropbox does.

> On Oct 25, 2014, at 4:57 AM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
> Where do the files get stored on a Windows machine?  I have signed up, but 
> haven't transferred my files over from Dropbox yet, because I'm just not sure 
> I've located where they will be on my Windows machine.
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2014, at 11:08 PM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>> 
>> I like it on the Mac and on the PC but I still think ICloud is weird
>> on the phone. It's technically not as compartmentalized but it's still
>> hard to get to different parts of it because you can't really browse
>> there. I want an ICloud Drive app like the DB or One Drive apps I use
>> now. So for me, it has just created more confusion.
>> 
>> On 10/24/14, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I (perhaps unwisely) use Dropbox as primary storage for my files, with the
>>> obvious local backups just in case. However, I'd like to switch to iCloud
>>> Drive, so that my files will be more tightly integrated with iOS, and so I
>>> can pay for storage with my iTunes account.
>>> 
>>> Before I do, I'd like to hear how others have found the service so far, if
>>> you use it. There was that bug that caused some folders to be erased if you
>>> did a settings reset on iOS, but aside from that I've heard nothing bad.
>>> Still, what do you think? Will you use it now, or wait? If the latter, why?
>>> Any accessibility problems (I expect not, but one never knows)?
>>> 
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>>> Alex Hall
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Re: Impressions of iCloud Drive so far?

Hi folks,
Please pardon my ignorance. What is the difference between iCloud drive and 
iCloud the way it was? Does one have to pay in order to have file stored there 
or does one still get the five gigs one got with iCloud? Thanks much

Pam Francis

On Oct 25, 2014, at 8:01 AM, Deb Lewis  wrote:

It creates an ICloud drive folder under your user just like Dropbox does.

> On Oct 25, 2014, at 4:57 AM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
> Where do the files get stored on a Windows machine?  I have signed up, but 
> haven't transferred my files over from Dropbox yet, because I'm just not sure 
> I've located where they will be on my Windows machine.
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2014, at 11:08 PM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>> 
>> I like it on the Mac and on the PC but I still think ICloud is weird
>> on the phone. It's technically not as compartmentalized but it's still
>> hard to get to different parts of it because you can't really browse
>> there. I want an ICloud Drive app like the DB or One Drive apps I use
>> now. So for me, it has just created more confusion.
>> 
>>> On 10/24/14, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I (perhaps unwisely) use Dropbox as primary storage for my files, with the
>>> obvious local backups just in case. However, I'd like to switch to iCloud
>>> Drive, so that my files will be more tightly integrated with iOS, and so I
>>> can pay for storage with my iTunes account.
>>> 
>>> Before I do, I'd like to hear how others have found the service so far, if
>>> you use it. There was that bug that caused some folders to be erased if you
>>> did a settings reset on iOS, but aside from that I've heard nothing bad.
>>> Still, what do you think? Will you use it now, or wait? If the latter, why?
>>> Any accessibility problems (I expect not, but one never knows)?
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> Alex Hall
>>> mehg...@icloud.com
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Re: How do I add a recipient in the Messages app?

I just tried it, and it works exactly like it does in Mail. Type a name, and 
Messages will pull it from your contacts, offering a list of matches to what 
you typed. Up or down arrow through them, enter to select one.
> On Oct 25, 2014, at 8:55 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Well, I'm trying to do it on the Mac, not on an IOS device.  I've never had 
> trouble adding recipients on an i-device.  To do that, you just move to the 
> contact you want in the list, double tap them, and when their contact opens 
> up, just select the number or email you want to use.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Oct 25, 2014, at 7:44 AM, John Sanfilippo > > wrote:
>> 
>> ,
>>  
>> I hope someone gives you a better answer than this, but when I was using 
>> iOS7, I found that starting in Notes and Sharing that note worked far better 
>> than ever bothering with messages.
>>  
>> John S
>>  
>>  
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: Donna Goodin 
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 8:35 AM
>>> Subject: How do I add a recipient in the Messages app?
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> How do I add a recipient from contacts when composing a new message in the 
>>> messages app?  What I've done is:
>>> 1.  Click Add recipient.
>>> 2.  Type the first letters of the contact name in the search field.
>>> 3. Arrow over and interact with the list of suggested names.
>>> 4.  this is where I get stuck.  I highlight the contact, but nothing I do 
>>> seems to select it.  I've tried pressing space, enter, and VO-Space, all 
>>> with no luck.
>>> 
>>> Appreciate any help.
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
>>> 
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Re: Impressions of iCloud Drive so far?

It uses the iCloud storage every Apple ID receives, sharing that with iCloud 
Mail, iOS backups, and anything else.

The way iCloud used to work was as a syncing service, letting, say, Text Edit 
access any documents stored in iCloud by Text Edit, or Pages get to any files 
stored by Pages. The problem was that any modifications would leave you with 
two copies of the file. Plus, no app could see the files stored by any other 
app, and no custom folders were allowed at all. Now, with iCloud Drive, you can 
set up your own folders, and any edits made to a file are to *that file*, not 
to a copy of that file made by the app doing the editing.
> On Oct 25, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Pamela Francis  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> Please pardon my ignorance. What is the difference between iCloud drive and 
> iCloud the way it was? Does one have to pay in order to have file stored 
> there or does one still get the five gigs one got with iCloud? Thanks much
> 
> Pam Francis
> 
> On Oct 25, 2014, at 8:01 AM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
> 
> It creates an ICloud drive folder under your user just like Dropbox does.
> 
>> On Oct 25, 2014, at 4:57 AM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>> 
>> Where do the files get stored on a Windows machine?  I have signed up, but 
>> haven't transferred my files over from Dropbox yet, because I'm just not 
>> sure I've located where they will be on my Windows machine.
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Jeff
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2014, at 11:08 PM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I like it on the Mac and on the PC but I still think ICloud is weird
>>> on the phone. It's technically not as compartmentalized but it's still
>>> hard to get to different parts of it because you can't really browse
>>> there. I want an ICloud Drive app like the DB or One Drive apps I use
>>> now. So for me, it has just created more confusion.
>>> 
 On 10/24/14, Alex Hall  wrote:
 Hi all,
 I (perhaps unwisely) use Dropbox as primary storage for my files, with the
 obvious local backups just in case. However, I'd like to switch to iCloud
 Drive, so that my files will be more tightly integrated with iOS, and so I
 can pay for storage with my iTunes account.
 
 Before I do, I'd like to hear how others have found the service so far, if
 you use it. There was that bug that caused some folders to be erased if you
 did a settings reset on iOS, but aside from that I've heard nothing bad.
 Still, what do you think? Will you use it now, or wait? If the latter, why?
 Any accessibility problems (I expect not, but one never knows)?
 
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Re: How do I add a recipient in the Messages app?

Oh, interesting.  It works just like you say if you type the name in the Too 
field, but not if you type it in the search field.  Well, at least I know now.  
thanks, Alex.
Donna
> On Oct 25, 2014, at 8:54 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
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> I just tried it, and it works exactly like it does in Mail. Type a name, and 
> Messages will pull it from your contacts, offering a list of matches to what 
> you typed. Up or down arrow through them, enter to select one.
>> On Oct 25, 2014, at 8:55 AM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Well, I'm trying to do it on the Mac, not on an IOS device.  I've never had 
>> trouble adding recipients on an i-device.  To do that, you just move to the 
>> contact you want in the list, double tap them, and when their contact opens 
>> up, just select the number or email you want to use.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Oct 25, 2014, at 7:44 AM, John Sanfilippo >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> ,
>>>  
>>> I hope someone gives you a better answer than this, but when I was using 
>>> iOS7, I found that starting in Notes and Sharing that note worked far 
>>> better than ever bothering with messages.
>>>  
>>> John S
>>>  
>>>  
 - Original Message - 
 From: Donna Goodin 
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 8:35 AM
 Subject: How do I add a recipient in the Messages app?
 
 Hi all,
 
 How do I add a recipient from contacts when composing a new message in the 
 messages app?  What I've done is:
 1.  Click Add recipient.
 2.  Type the first letters of the contact name in the search field.
 3. Arrow over and interact with the list of suggested names.
 4.  this is where I get stuck.  I highlight the contact, but nothing I do 
 seems to select it.  I've tried pressing space, enter, and VO-Space, all 
 with no luck.
 
 Appreciate any help.
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Re: Time Machine won't start backup

Hi,

Try restarting your computer.  It looks like something is confused and not 
getting started for you.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Oct 24, 2014, at 11:35 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I have been waiting for several hours now and Still Time Machine is still 
> preparing a backup.
> Surely It should have started by now.
> a frustrated 
> Max
> 
>> On 25 Oct 2014, at 1:19 pm, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> It's likely not a problem.  If your last backup was prior to Yosemite, then 
>> it will actually take a while to prepare the backup.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2014, at 7:59 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I am trying to do a Time Machine backup under Yosemite. For more than an 
>>> hour Time Machine shows preparing backup. The last backup I did was on 
>>> October 21st. I am not sure if that was before or after I installed 
>>> Yosemite.
>>> Anybody else having any problems?
>>> Thanks for any help.
>>> Max
>>> 
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Re: unlabelled buttons in yosemti mail

Hi,

Ahh, got it.  I seemed to be looking for those buttons when I was opening a 
conversation.  They don’t appear for me when opening a group of messages, only 
when I open a message that is alone.  Interesting though, that it took me that 
much work to find something that was bothering many.  I guess others must 
navigate Mail differently so that would be an annoyance to them.  I believe 
that it should be addressed and Apple should label those buttons, but it 
doesn’t and likely won’t affect me considering the style of navigation within 
Mail that I’m accustomed to.  Thanks for the info Cheryl.

Later…

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> On Oct 24, 2014, at 4:22 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
> 
> When you get an email message, press enter on it in the index. Interact where 
> it says embedded and arrow right and you will find four unlabeled buttons. 
> They are between where it says message headers and where it says text; they 
> have no help tags. I haven’t been paying attention either because it doesn’t 
> seem to be causing me a problem but they are there. Not absolutely sure they 
> are there on every email but i don’t stop to look usually. If you press enter 
> or vo-j and just read your message, you may not have any reason to interact 
> or vo-arrow around and see them.
> 
> Hth.
> 
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> 
> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
> thrown in the trash!
> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
> His joy for my despairing tears!
> And now, every day:
> "This I call to mind,
> and therefore I have hope:
> The steadfast love of the Lord
> never ceases;
> his mercies never come to an end;
> they are new every morning;
> great is your faithfulness."
> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2014, at 4:32 PM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I would guess that it was an oversight, but not being part of the testing or 
>> development crew, I couldn’t be positive.  Now, for my own part, I initially 
>> wasn’t paying much attention to this thread and have subsequently looked for 
>> these unlabelled buttons and have been unable to locate them.  Is these 
>> unlabelled buttons found when in Classic view, Standard view or both?  How 
>> exactly does one find them?
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2014, at 2:24 PM, Pamela Francis >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> With reference to the unlabeled buttons in mail earlier in life and 
>>> Yosemite  do you think this was a simple oversight on the part of Apple 
>>> accessibility or do you think this is something we as voiceover users are 
>>> going to have to learn to deal with?
>>> 
>>> Pam Francis
>>> 
>>> On Oct 23, 2014, at 8:16 PM, Nicholas Parsons 
>>> mailto:mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Excellent, thank you!
>>> 
>>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 8:10 pm, Dean Adams >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> Here is what the buttons are that are unlabelled in yosemti mail you 
>>> can lable them with V O Slash .
>>> Unlabelled Buttons in Yosemeti  mail 
>>> There are four unlabled buttons in yoesemit mail once you open an email and 
>>> here is what they are from left to right 
>>> Button 1 : Trash 
>>> Button 2 Reply 
>>> Button 3 : Reply All
>>> Button 4: Forward 
>>>  
>>> Regards Dean
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I love Yosemite so far but:

But what?  The sluggishness is about to drive me batty.  I don't see, however, 
that there is much if anything I can do.  Using a Mac book pro from November of 
2009 with 4GB ram on it.  Already done disk permitions repair and restart.  
Almost time to really think about getting me a new Mac Mini I reckon.


Sincerely,
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about Cloud drive

So,

How expencive is Icloud drive compared to Drop box for say 1TB of space per 
year?

And, do I have to have two copies of each file on my drive:  1 for the drive 
itself and the other on Drop box for example?  
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Re: I love Yosemite so far but:

2014-10-25 Thread John Panarese

Hi Ray,
   Did you try running a permissions check?  If necessary, I'd even run it from 
recovery mode.  This has fixed sluggishness with a few people I know who were 
experiencing  it, including myself on a 2011 Mac Mini.


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> On Oct 25, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> But what?  The sluggishness is about to drive me batty.  I don't see, 
> however, that there is much if anything I can do.  Using a Mac book pro from 
> November of 2009 with 4GB ram on it.  Already done disk permitions repair and 
> restart.  Almost time to really think about getting me a new Mac Mini I 
> reckon.
> 
> 
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> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
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Re: unlabelled buttons in yosemti mail

I don't do mine by conversation. It didn't really bother me but I thought I 
would post since others were having problems while some couldn't find some 
buttons, let alone be bothered by them.

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I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
"This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness."
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




> On Oct 25, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Ahh, got it.  I seemed to be looking for those buttons when I was opening a 
> conversation.  They don’t appear for me when opening a group of messages, 
> only when I open a message that is alone.  Interesting though, that it took 
> me that much work to find something that was bothering many.  I guess others 
> must navigate Mail differently so that would be an annoyance to them.  I 
> believe that it should be addressed and Apple should label those buttons, but 
> it doesn’t and likely won’t affect me considering the style of navigation 
> within Mail that I’m accustomed to.  Thanks for the info Cheryl.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2014, at 4:22 PM, Cheryl Homiak > > wrote:
>> 
>> When you get an email message, press enter on it in the index. Interact 
>> where it says embedded and arrow right and you will find four unlabeled 
>> buttons. They are between where it says message headers and where it says 
>> text; they have no help tags. I haven’t been paying attention either because 
>> it doesn’t seem to be causing me a problem but they are there. Not 
>> absolutely sure they are there on every email but i don’t stop to look 
>> usually. If you press enter or vo-j and just read your message, you may not 
>> have any reason to interact or vo-arrow around and see them.
>> 
>> Hth.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Cheryl
>> 
>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
>> thrown in the trash!
>> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>> His joy for my despairing tears!
>> And now, every day:
>> "This I call to mind,
>> and therefore I have hope:
>> The steadfast love of the Lord
>> never ceases;
>> his mercies never come to an end;
>> they are new every morning;
>> great is your faithfulness."
>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2014, at 4:32 PM, Tim Kilburn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I would guess that it was an oversight, but not being part of the testing 
>>> or development crew, I couldn’t be positive.  Now, for my own part, I 
>>> initially wasn’t paying much attention to this thread and have subsequently 
>>> looked for these unlabelled buttons and have been unable to locate them.  
>>> Is these unlabelled buttons found when in Classic view, Standard view or 
>>> both?  How exactly does one find them?
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Oct 24, 2014, at 2:24 PM, Pamela Francis >>> > wrote:
 
 Hello everyone,
 With reference to the unlabeled buttons in mail earlier in life and 
 Yosemite  do you think this was a simple oversight on the part of Apple 
 accessibility or do you think this is something we as voiceover users are 
 going to have to learn to deal with?
 
 Pam Francis
 
 On Oct 23, 2014, at 8:16 PM, Nicholas Parsons 
 mailto:mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Excellent, thank you!
 
 On 22 Jan 2014, at 8:10 pm, Dean Adams >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi All,
Here is what the buttons are that are unlabelled in yosemti mail you 
 can lable them with V O Slash .
 Unlabelled Buttons in Yosemeti  mail 
 There are four unlabled buttons in yoesemit mail once you open an email 
 and here is what they are from left to right 
 Button 1 : Trash 
 Button 2 Reply 
 Button 3 : Reply All
 Button 4: Forward 
  
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Re: Possible workaround for Mail link problem

2014-10-25 Thread Anders Holmberg

Hi!
I normally interact with the mail so i can click on links with no problem.
/A
> 24 okt 2014 kl. 11:02 skrev David Griffith :
> 
> Seeing the contradictory experiences of clicking links in Yosemite Mail 
> messages I have noticed the following.
> 
> 1. If I open a mail by pressing enter I find I cannot execute the link.
> 2. If however I interact with the message with VO J I can execute the link as 
> normal.
> 
> I do not  know if that corresponds to other experiences.
> 
> 
> David Griffith  
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Re: I love Yosemite so far but:

If it takes a long time, you may want to repair permissions more than once. And 
if it gives you an error or still is sluggish after repairing permissions, 
maybe do it from another drive or from within your recovery partition. I didn't 
go that far but I did repair permissions two or three times and now my only 
real problem is that sometimes I lose speech and/or arrowing usually in mail. 
Certainly your old mac mini could be the problem but given that lots of people 
are having sluggishness issues I wouldn't make that decision too quickly. Also, 
are you using a monitor? If so, make sure it is connected and working.

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I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
"This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness."
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)

> On Oct 25, 2014, at 9:48 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> But what?  The sluggishness is about to drive me batty.  I don't see, 
> however, that there is much if anything I can do.  Using a Mac book pro from 
> November of 2009 with 4GB ram on it.  Already done disk permitions repair and 
> restart.  Almost time to really think about getting me a new Mac Mini I 
> reckon.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!
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Yosemite not keeping network connection, and persistent snail-slow download speed

2014-10-25 Thread Mark Baxter

Whenever I put my Macbook Pro15 (4G RAM) to sleep after upgrading to Yosemite, 
when I wake it up, my WIFI menu extra panel says “looking for network …”  The 
only way to fix this seems to VO-space-bar on the network which already has a 
check mark by it, E.G. my wireless cable Netgear modem.  Any way I can fix 
this, or is it just a ghost in the machine?

I have also noticed persistently super-slow download speeds, when I have a 
60-MBPS cable connection and 4/4 WIFI connection.  Is there somewhere in Safari 
prefs that I can’t find which governs this?













Thanks.


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Re: about Cloud drive

iCloud pricing has come down. If memory serves it is now:

5GB: $0 per month
20GB: $0.99 per month
200GB: $3.99 per month
500GB: $9.99 per month
1TB: $19.99 per month

This is more expensive than Dropbox, but it does let you keep everything in one 
place, from your iOS cloud backups to emails to files and folders. Signing into 
your iCloud account and enabling Mail is all it takes to get your mail set up 
and on your new (or newly clean-installed) device. Now, the same is true of 
your iCloud files. No more downloading and configuring Dropbox, just enable 
include Drive and you're done. Of course, Dropbox is far easier to set up than 
a mail account, but you get the idea.
> On Oct 25, 2014, at 10:50 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> So,
> 
> How expencive is Icloud drive compared to Drop box for say 1TB of space per 
> year?
> 
> And, do I have to have two copies of each file on my drive:  1 for the drive 
> itself and the other on Drop box for example?  
> Sincerely,
> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
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Wireless on Yosemite

2014-10-25 Thread Jeff Berwick

Hi there,

I upgraded to Yosemite and am having a pretty good time of it, but I lose 
wireless connection from time to time.

I have tried starting my computer with command option p r pressed, I have tried 
starting it with control shift power button pressed, but nothing has made a 
difference.

Any other suggestions?

Thx,
Jeff

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vm fusion

2014-10-25 Thread wayne17a

Hi I have a mid 2012 mbp with 8gb of ram and have vm running win7 pro but
since the update my win 7 is very laggey and this has happened from the
update I have done a disc clean up with no difference so any help please and
I have not used a clean install since lion so do you all think I should do
one and how would I move my vm and how thanks in advance 

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Re: iOs 8.1 performance on iPhone 4S

Cheree Heppe here:
Even with the problems listed over a wide range of applications, I updated one 
of my iOS devices last night.  If what I am learning about 8.1 is symptomatic, 
I think blind users can kiss good Apple access good-bye.
One area: I remember getting my first iPhone and, in extreme skepticism and 
with the half-done, JAWS and PC based accessibility as a precursor experience, 
decided to find out whether the Wallpapers section gave access, or merely lip 
service to Universal Design.
How amazed and delight I felt when each photo featured an artistic and pleasing 
description of the photo.  The description didnt just say photo dot png or 
stick in woods dot whatever, these descriptions went that extra step that 
separates accessibility wannabees from practitioners of Universal Design.
In 8.1, I opened the Brightness and Wallpapers section on my iPad 2.  Every 
photo gave those hald done, cursury, non-descriptive labels characterized by no 
info, ugly word choice to mirror the photo and the png ending, just to make 
sure anybody who cant see the png knows this isnt for them.
It is my intention to cancel my order for an upgraded iPhone 6 and not to 
upgrade to iOS 8 point anything.
The voices on iOS 8 point whatever sound modified.  They sound artificial and 
there is no longer the ease of switching between voices.  Switching between 
voices has now become a secret process, or, at least, unavailable to me, a 
blind user.
My thoughts, but, I am leaning toward making a change before the whole 
archology goes south.

Sad and very disappointed.  Aple has had access to some really discerning, 
brilliant blind users who could give really cogent advice in the best user 
mode.  I guess that isnt who is being listened to.

Careless, sloppy, inattention to detail.  Disregard for user specific needs.

Very sad.

Bye-bye.

Regards, 
Cheree Heppe

Sent from my IPhone 4S

On 25 Oct 2014, at 1:26, venky...@gmail.com wrote:

Its disappointing to know that the issues are not fixed in 8.1.
Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 23-Oct-2014, at 4:34 am, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> I had those same issues with my 4S, which I unfortunately didn't realize I 
> was going to before I updated it, due to the fact that it's an older phone, 
> and actually had no idea you could downgrade again, so you did the right 
> thing doing that, sense you were going to have a rough time of it unless you 
> plan on upgrading your phone any time soon.
>> On Oct 22, 2014, at 1:31 AM, Venkatesh Potluri  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi list,
>> I am using a 16GB iPhone 4S. I updated to iOs 8 and had a lot of
>> issues so had to downgrade back to 7.1. My phone got a lot slower,
>> apps like whatsapp and messenger kept constantly crashing and VO
>> randomly restarts it self. i had many accidental touches, accidental
>> calls, etc. I wish to know if these issues have been resolved in 8.1.
>> Another major reason for me wanting to upgrade is the Flecksy
>> keyboard. How good is it? I read that there are still problems using
>> it. are there any show stopper bugs? Is the Looktel money reader
>> working fine in 8.1?
>> Thank you.
>> Cheers,
>> Venkatesh Potluri
>> 
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Re: I love Yosemite so far but:

Like I said, a 2009 Mac book pro:  therefore, No monitor.

Thanks for susggestion.


Sincerely,
the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!

> On Oct 25, 2014, at 9:59 AM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
> 
> If it takes a long time, you may want to repair permissions more than once. 
> And if it gives you an error or still is sluggish after repairing 
> permissions, maybe do it from another drive or from within your recovery 
> partition. I didn't go that far but I did repair permissions two or three 
> times and now my only real problem is that sometimes I lose speech and/or 
> arrowing usually in mail. Certainly your old mac mini could be the problem 
> but given that lots of people are having sluggishness issues I wouldn't make 
> that decision too quickly. Also, are you using a monitor? If so, make sure it 
> is connected and working.
> 
> 
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> 
> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
> thrown in the trash!
> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
> His joy for my despairing tears!
> And now, every day:
> "This I call to mind,
> and therefore I have hope:
> The steadfast love of the Lord
> never ceases;
> his mercies never come to an end;
> they are new every morning;
> great is your faithfulness."
> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 25, 2014, at 9:48 AM, Ray Foret Jr > > wrote:
>> 
>> But what?  The sluggishness is about to drive me batty.  I don't see, 
>> however, that there is much if anything I can do.  Using a Mac book pro from 
>> November of 2009 with 4GB ram on it.  Already done disk permitions repair 
>> and restart.  Almost time to really think about getting me a new Mac Mini I 
>> reckon.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!
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Re: iOs 8.1 performance on iPhone 4S

2014-10-25 Thread Jenny Bomareto

To the person that is not happy with IOS 8.1 and chose to cancel getting the 
iPhone 6.  Did you send your note to Apple so they are aware of this and will 
fix these issues?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2014, at 9:19 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
> 
> Cheree Heppe here:
> Even with the problems listed over a wide range of applications, I updated 
> one of my iOS devices last night.  If what I am learning about 8.1 is 
> symptomatic, I think blind users can kiss good Apple access good-bye.
> One area: I remember getting my first iPhone and, in extreme skepticism and 
> with the half-done, JAWS and PC based accessibility as a precursor 
> experience, decided to find out whether the Wallpapers section gave access, 
> or merely lip service to Universal Design.
> How amazed and delight I felt when each photo featured an artistic and 
> pleasing description of the photo.  The description didnt just say photo dot 
> png or stick in woods dot whatever, these descriptions went that extra step 
> that separates accessibility wannabees from practitioners of Universal Design.
> In 8.1, I opened the Brightness and Wallpapers section on my iPad 2.  Every 
> photo gave those hald done, cursury, non-descriptive labels characterized by 
> no info, ugly word choice to mirror the photo and the png ending, just to 
> make sure anybody who cant see the png knows this isnt for them.
> It is my intention to cancel my order for an upgraded iPhone 6 and not to 
> upgrade to iOS 8 point anything.
> The voices on iOS 8 point whatever sound modified.  They sound artificial and 
> there is no longer the ease of switching between voices.  Switching between 
> voices has now become a secret process, or, at least, unavailable to me, a 
> blind user.
> My thoughts, but, I am leaning toward making a change before the whole 
> archology goes south.
> 
> Sad and very disappointed.  Aple has had access to some really discerning, 
> brilliant blind users who could give really cogent advice in the best user 
> mode.  I guess that isnt who is being listened to.
> 
> Careless, sloppy, inattention to detail.  Disregard for user specific needs.
> 
> Very sad.
> 
> Bye-bye.
> 
> Regards, 
> Cheree Heppe
> 
> 
> Sent from my IPhone 4S
> 
> On 25 Oct 2014, at 1:26, venky...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Its disappointing to know that the issues are not fixed in 8.1.
> Thanks.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 23-Oct-2014, at 4:34 am, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> I had those same issues with my 4S, which I unfortunately didn't realize I 
>> was going to before I updated it, due to the fact that it's an older phone, 
>> and actually had no idea you could downgrade again, so you did the right 
>> thing doing that, sense you were going to have a rough time of it unless you 
>> plan on upgrading your phone any time soon.
>>> On Oct 22, 2014, at 1:31 AM, Venkatesh Potluri  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi list,
>>> I am using a 16GB iPhone 4S. I updated to iOs 8 and had a lot of
>>> issues so had to downgrade back to 7.1. My phone got a lot slower,
>>> apps like whatsapp and messenger kept constantly crashing and VO
>>> randomly restarts it self. i had many accidental touches, accidental
>>> calls, etc. I wish to know if these issues have been resolved in 8.1.
>>> Another major reason for me wanting to upgrade is the Flecksy
>>> keyboard. How good is it? I read that there are still problems using
>>> it. are there any show stopper bugs? Is the Looktel money reader
>>> working fine in 8.1?
>>> Thank you.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Venkatesh Potluri
>>> 
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Re: iOs 8.1 performance on iPhone 4S

I have a friend who had a similar experience both with the OS and and 
accessibility representative.
He wrote a letter to accessibil...@apple.com  I also wrote my own letter to 
them expressing my displeasure with their most recent update. I don't think 
either of us got a response, however you might want to try posting that note on 
their Facebook page. 
If you thinking of converting, check out the Samsung galaxy S5. I did. You will 
have very similar if not in some areas superior accessibility than is currently 
available in 8.1

Pam Francis

On Oct 25, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Jenny Bomareto  wrote:

To the person that is not happy with IOS 8.1 and chose to cancel getting the 
iPhone 6.  Did you send your note to Apple so they are aware of this and will 
fix these issues?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2014, at 9:19 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
> 
> Cheree Heppe here:
> Even with the problems listed over a wide range of applications, I updated 
> one of my iOS devices last night.  If what I am learning about 8.1 is 
> symptomatic, I think blind users can kiss good Apple access good-bye.
> One area: I remember getting my first iPhone and, in extreme skepticism and 
> with the half-done, JAWS and PC based accessibility as a precursor 
> experience, decided to find out whether the Wallpapers section gave access, 
> or merely lip service to Universal Design.
> How amazed and delight I felt when each photo featured an artistic and 
> pleasing description of the photo.  The description didnt just say photo dot 
> png or stick in woods dot whatever, these descriptions went that extra step 
> that separates accessibility wannabees from practitioners of Universal Design.
> In 8.1, I opened the Brightness and Wallpapers section on my iPad 2.  Every 
> photo gave those hald done, cursury, non-descriptive labels characterized by 
> no info, ugly word choice to mirror the photo and the png ending, just to 
> make sure anybody who cant see the png knows this isnt for them.
> It is my intention to cancel my order for an upgraded iPhone 6 and not to 
> upgrade to iOS 8 point anything.
> The voices on iOS 8 point whatever sound modified.  They sound artificial and 
> there is no longer the ease of switching between voices.  Switching between 
> voices has now become a secret process, or, at least, unavailable to me, a 
> blind user.
> My thoughts, but, I am leaning toward making a change before the whole 
> archology goes south.
> 
> Sad and very disappointed.  Aple has had access to some really discerning, 
> brilliant blind users who could give really cogent advice in the best user 
> mode.  I guess that isnt who is being listened to.
> 
> Careless, sloppy, inattention to detail.  Disregard for user specific needs.
> 
> Very sad.
> 
> Bye-bye.
> 
> Regards, 
> Cheree Heppe
> 
> 
> Sent from my IPhone 4S
> 
> On 25 Oct 2014, at 1:26, venky...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Its disappointing to know that the issues are not fixed in 8.1.
> Thanks.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 23-Oct-2014, at 4:34 am, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> I had those same issues with my 4S, which I unfortunately didn't realize I 
>> was going to before I updated it, due to the fact that it's an older phone, 
>> and actually had no idea you could downgrade again, so you did the right 
>> thing doing that, sense you were going to have a rough time of it unless you 
>> plan on upgrading your phone any time soon.
>>> On Oct 22, 2014, at 1:31 AM, Venkatesh Potluri  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi list,
>>> I am using a 16GB iPhone 4S. I updated to iOs 8 and had a lot of
>>> issues so had to downgrade back to 7.1. My phone got a lot slower,
>>> apps like whatsapp and messenger kept constantly crashing and VO
>>> randomly restarts it self. i had many accidental touches, accidental
>>> calls, etc. I wish to know if these issues have been resolved in 8.1.
>>> Another major reason for me wanting to upgrade is the Flecksy
>>> keyboard. How good is it? I read that there are still problems using
>>> it. are there any show stopper bugs? Is the Looktel money reader
>>> working fine in 8.1?
>>> Thank you.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Venkatesh Potluri
>>> 
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Re: Yosemite not keeping network connection, and persistent snail-slow download speed

Hi,
Retina Display one.  The reason I’m asking is that if it is the Retina Display 
unit, you could make sure Power Nap is enabled from within your Energy Saver 
pane of System Prefs.  This will ensure your WiFi connection is maintained.  I 
was having ann issue like that with some MBA 11” at work and the Power Nap 
fixed that problem.  Regarding slow download speeds, a number of factors could 
be in play here.  If you have a ISP that is a Cable company, those sorts of 
Internet connections tend to share bandwidth within a local area, thus, even 
though you may have the 60 MB connection, many others in your neighbourhood may 
be using the bandwidth at the junction point.  In this scenario, a bottleneck 
is created at the junction point so you don’t get your full bandwidth down the 
pipe even though you have the good bandwidth right at your modem.  Other 
factors that may affect your download speed include WiFi interference where if 
you have a considerable number of WiFi networks in the near vicinity.  The 
interference causes degradation in your WiFi’s ability to move data quickly.

HTH.

Later…

Is your MBP a Retina Display one or a pre-
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Oct 25, 2014, at 9:01 AM, Mark Baxter  wrote:
> 
> Whenever I put my Macbook Pro15 (4G RAM) to sleep after upgrading to 
> Yosemite, when I wake it up, my WIFI menu extra panel says “looking for 
> network …”  The only way to fix this seems to VO-space-bar on the network 
> which already has a check mark by it, E.G. my wireless cable Netgear modem.  
> Any way I can fix this, or is it just a ghost in the machine?
> 
> I have also noticed persistently super-slow download speeds, when I have a 
> 60-MBPS cable connection and 4/4 WIFI connection.  Is there somewhere in 
> Safari prefs that I can’t find which governs this?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
>  • Mark BurningHawk Baxter
> http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ 
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Re: iTunes 12 Questions

2014-10-25 Thread Barry Hadder

Hello again.

I realize that this thread is about your problems with iTunes, but I feel that 
something I suggested needs correction.
I suggested that it is a good idea to leave your Mac on over night in order for 
certain maintenance scripts to run or to run them manually.  It turns out that 
you don’t have to do that with OS X 10.6 or later.  If any of the mentioned 
scripts miss there schedule, they will now run whenever they can.  So that 
isn’t anything anyone needs to think about anymore.
Good luck.

On Oct 24, 2014, at 8:30 PM, Barry Hadder  wrote:

I am not getting that behavior at all.
Sounds to me like something is wrong.  Have you tried running disk utility?  
How old is your mac?

Also, you will occasionally want to leave your Mac on over night so that the 
system can run certain maintenance scripts that are by default scheduled from 3 
AM to 5 AM.  You can also manually run these scripts by opening terminal and 
typing:
sudo periodic daily weekly monthly

They do things like getting rid of old log and temp files.

You also might try manually downloading iTunes and reinstalling it.
These are only suggestions.  I have know idea what your problems are.  I can 
only tell you that what you describe is not happening for me and I am using a 
mid 2011 MBP.

On Oct 24, 2014, at 7:25 PM, Ezzie Bueno  wrote:

Hi, Mary:

When interacting with the table on the pop-up menu, iTunes goes busy.
I had also tried playing my TV episode with VO+space via the Grid
view, but nothing happens. I've been using a Mac for a few years now,
and have never been this frustrated with iTunes. Any further
suggestions would be most appreciated! :-)

Thank you,
Ezzie

On 10/24/14, Barry Hadder  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> In grid view, you can play an episode by moving vo to it and pressing
> vo-space.
> To use list view: with vo on the grid, move it to the popup menu with
> vo-left and vo-space.
> In the popover, move vo to the left until you get to a table then interact
> with it.
> Move vo down the list until you here "list" and press vo-space.
> 
> It is common for iTunes to be busy whenever it is finishing sinking.
> 
> Hope that helps.  Let me know if I didn't explain something well enough.
> I'm pretty happy with version twelve.  It's the first one I've liked sense
> 
> ten.
> 
> 
> 
> On Friday, October 24, 2014 6:14:39 PM UTC-5, Ezzie Bueno wrote:
>> 
>> Hello friends:
>> 
>> I seem to be having difficulties with iTunes 12. I never used the Grid
>> view, always preferring the List view. Is the Grid view the only
>> viewing option on iTunes 12? If not, how can I go back to the List
>> view? I've looked through the preferences and menus, and cannot find
>> anything of the sort. When I have tried playing TV episodes in my
>> iTunes library, iTunes goes "busy" on me. When it manages to play, I
>> noticed it played a wrong episode, and not the one that I wanted to
>> watch.
>> Also, I noticed that content is not being synced to my iDevices. When
>> I plug them into my Mac, iTunes goes "busy" again. How can I resolve
>> this "busy" issue? If the Grid view is the only way to view things in
>> my iTunes library, what is the effective way to play the proper
>> selected TV episodes?
>> 
>> Any help is appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks and warm regards,
>> e.B.
>> 
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Re: I love Yosemite so far but:

Hi Ray,

That model of MBP is quite easy to upgrade RAM in and doubling your RAM to 8 GB 
would likely see marked improvement in performance.  The upgrade in RAM would 
also be a fraction of the cost of a new Mini or other Mac.  I’ve upgraded a 
couple of MBP’s this way with SSD’s and maxed out the RAM giving them new life 
and amazing speed improvements.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Oct 25, 2014, at 9:32 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Like I said, a 2009 Mac book pro:  therefore, No monitor.
> 
> Thanks for susggestion.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!
> 
>> On Oct 25, 2014, at 9:59 AM, Cheryl Homiak > > wrote:
>> 
>> If it takes a long time, you may want to repair permissions more than once. 
>> And if it gives you an error or still is sluggish after repairing 
>> permissions, maybe do it from another drive or from within your recovery 
>> partition. I didn't go that far but I did repair permissions two or three 
>> times and now my only real problem is that sometimes I lose speech and/or 
>> arrowing usually in mail. Certainly your old mac mini could be the problem 
>> but given that lots of people are having sluggishness issues I wouldn't make 
>> that decision too quickly. Also, are you using a monitor? If so, make sure 
>> it is connected and working.
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Cheryl
>> 
>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
>> thrown in the trash!
>> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>> His joy for my despairing tears!
>> And now, every day:
>> "This I call to mind,
>> and therefore I have hope:
>> The steadfast love of the Lord
>> never ceases;
>> his mercies never come to an end;
>> they are new every morning;
>> great is your faithfulness."
>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 25, 2014, at 9:48 AM, Ray Foret Jr >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> But what?  The sluggishness is about to drive me batty.  I don't see, 
>>> however, that there is much if anything I can do.  Using a Mac book pro 
>>> from November of 2009 with 4GB ram on it.  Already done disk permitions 
>>> repair and restart.  Almost time to really think about getting me a new Mac 
>>> Mini I reckon.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!
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is the apollo twin solo accessible with VoiceOver

2014-10-25 Thread Jørgen Skov Nielsen

Hi All
is the apollo twin solo audio interface accessible with VoiceOver.
Thanks in advance
Best regards
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Re: Yosemite not keeping network connection, and persistent snail-slow download speed

2014-10-25 Thread Mark Baxter

Hi!
I can’t find a “retina display one,” but I did change my graphics settings from 
“better battery life,” to “power performance.”  Not sure if this is what you’re 
talking about, but it’s in Prefs/Energy Saver.  Also, another repair 
permissions and restart may have fixed at least the network acquisition issue.  
As for the choke points along cable systems, I haven’t had much problem with 
this until now. Out of curiosity, I just went to
www.speedtest.net
and ran their test.  All the columns came up “N/A.”  I cannot understand why. 
Hmmm.


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Re: Yosemite not keeping network connection, and persistent snail-slow download speed

Hi,

What I mean by Retina Display one is the Retina Display model of MBP.  The 
Retina Display units came with a built-in SSD, no CD/DVD optical drive and, 
when in the Energy Saver pane, there is an option called Power Nap which allows 
your Mac to do things like Time Machine backups while the lid is down or the 
unit is asleep.  If you don’t have that option, then you likely have an older 
MBP without those features.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Oct 25, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Mark Baxter  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I can’t find a “retina display one,” but I did change my graphics settings 
> from “better battery life,” to “power performance.”  Not sure if this is what 
> you’re talking about, but it’s in Prefs/Energy Saver.  Also, another repair 
> permissions and restart may have fixed at least the network acquisition 
> issue.  As for the choke points along cable systems, I haven’t had much 
> problem with this until now. Out of curiosity, I just went to
> www.speedtest.net 
> and ran their test.  All the columns came up “N/A.”  I cannot understand why. 
> Hmmm.
> 
> 
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Re: Yosemite not keeping network connection, and persistent snail-slow download speed

2014-10-25 Thread Mark Baxter

Yes, it’s an MBP15 from about 2008.  Most troublesome right now is Safari’s 
continued odd behavior with my banking website; it behaves fine when going 
through the user-name and ID-shield questions, then when I put in my password, 
I get “empty HTML content.”  

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Re: I love Yosemite so far but:

Quite true Tim:  however, this baby has a major issue which would, once I paid 
for the repairs, cost much more than a new mini modified to my liking.  The 
issue is this.  ON the built in keyboard, the following keys are not working:

x s w 2 escape tilda and tab.  In order to fix that, I'd have to have the 
entire top of the unit replaced at a cost of no less than $3.00 or so.  Also, 
the output jack on the left side is a bit out of alinment, and, since the jacks 
are printed in to the logic board, I'd have to spring for a new logic board at 
about the same cost.


Sincerely,
the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!

> On Oct 25, 2014, at 11:31 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ray,
> 
> That model of MBP is quite easy to upgrade RAM in and doubling your RAM to 8 
> GB would likely see marked improvement in performance.  The upgrade in RAM 
> would also be a fraction of the cost of a new Mini or other Mac.  I’ve 
> upgraded a couple of MBP’s this way with SSD’s and maxed out the RAM giving 
> them new life and amazing speed improvements.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Oct 25, 2014, at 9:32 AM, Ray Foret Jr > > wrote:
>> 
>> Like I said, a 2009 Mac book pro:  therefore, No monitor.
>> 
>> Thanks for susggestion.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!
>> 
>>> On Oct 25, 2014, at 9:59 AM, Cheryl Homiak >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> If it takes a long time, you may want to repair permissions more than once. 
>>> And if it gives you an error or still is sluggish after repairing 
>>> permissions, maybe do it from another drive or from within your recovery 
>>> partition. I didn't go that far but I did repair permissions two or three 
>>> times and now my only real problem is that sometimes I lose speech and/or 
>>> arrowing usually in mail. Certainly your old mac mini could be the problem 
>>> but given that lots of people are having sluggishness issues I wouldn't 
>>> make that decision too quickly. Also, are you using a monitor? If so, make 
>>> sure it is connected and working.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Cheryl
>>> 
>>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
>>> thrown in the trash!
>>> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>>> His joy for my despairing tears!
>>> And now, every day:
>>> "This I call to mind,
>>> and therefore I have hope:
>>> The steadfast love of the Lord
>>> never ceases;
>>> his mercies never come to an end;
>>> they are new every morning;
>>> great is your faithfulness."
>>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 25, 2014, at 9:48 AM, Ray Foret Jr >>> > wrote:
 
 But what?  The sluggishness is about to drive me batty.  I don't see, 
 however, that there is much if anything I can do.  Using a Mac book pro 
 from November of 2009 with 4GB ram on it.  Already done disk permitions 
 repair and restart.  Almost time to really think about getting me a new 
 Mac Mini I reckon.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!
 
 
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Re: iOs 8.1 performance on iPhone 4S

Hi Cheri and All,

In my opinion, you have made some inaccurate assertions here.  The quality of 
the voices that you’ve expressed is likely due to your iDevice defaulting back 
to the low quality, non-enhanced version of the voices.  Normal behaviour 
during the update process.  If you download the enhanced version of your 
preferred voice, you’ll find the quality is as good or better than it was in 
iOS 7.  The download can be achieved in the Settings, General Accessibility, 
VoiceOver under the Speech section.  Switching between voices is the same as it 
was in iOS 7 when your Language preferences are included in the Rotor, which is 
also configured in the same area outlined earlier.  Regarding the descriptions 
of Wallpaper etc, I didn’t notice this and it is disappointing from an 
accessibility point of view.

Regarding yours and others opinions on Apple’s commitment to accessibility, 
over-exaggeration and inaccurate accusations or assumptions usually don’t go 
very far.  For example, I had a co-worker that used to put in Work Orders to 
our Maintenance department saying that it was so cold in the room that things 
were freezing to the floor and other surfaces.  Maintenance came over right 
away and determined that it was a few degrees colder than she liked.  In future 
Work Orders, she was not given near the priority attention that she originally 
received due to her tendency for over-blowing a situation.While our desires 
for accessibility to be perfect and to never get broken in an update is fair, 
it’s not likely going to be realized in all cases.  Any OS, be it iOS, MacOS, 
Chrome-OS or even Windows is a complex, interdependent interaction between 
processes.  Sometimes the fixing of one factor breaks another.  Sometimes it 
takes a bit of work by the software engineers to figure out how to make certain 
things work properly together.  Even with beta-testers galore, not every glitch 
is found out prior to release.  This sort of thing happens whether it’s an 
accessibility feature or just a regular part of the user experience.

For example, tearing into Apple about them changing the look and feel of iTunes 
and claiming that they have broken accessibility is an inaccurate statement.  
The actual accessibility of iTunes hasn’t changed at all, what has changed is 
how we access the various features.  How easy it is for you to manage the 
changes is not a factor of accessibility, it may be a level of comfort or ease 
of use factor, but accessibility in the manner that VO users use the term has 
to do with elements being visible and/or usable.  The device accessibility 
market is by no means particularly mature at this point in time, so, I’d 
venture to say that any device we put in our hands will have good and bad with 
respect to accessibility.  Android this, Windows that, Apple thing-a-ma-bobber 
and whoever’s talking which-a-macall-it all work to some respect but have 
limitations and/or frustrations.  No point in dissing Apple, Google or windows 
for that matter, it’s unproductive.

So, after all this, I guess what I’m saying is continue submitting bug reports 
and feature requests, and, expect for them to be addressed but be reasonable.  
bug reports should be clear, expressing the facts of the issue, outlining how 
and where it occurs, certainly they can include how it affects your 
productivity but exaggeration and accusation need not be a part.  Progress is 
occurring, will continue to occur and is necessary.

That’s my rant for the week.  Have a good day all.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Oct 25, 2014, at 9:19 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
> 
> Cheree Heppe here:
> Even with the problems listed over a wide range of applications, I updated 
> one of my iOS devices last night.  If what I am learning about 8.1 is 
> symptomatic, I think blind users can kiss good Apple access good-bye.
> One area: I remember getting my first iPhone and, in extreme skepticism and 
> with the half-done, JAWS and PC based accessibility as a precursor 
> experience, decided to find out whether the Wallpapers section gave access, 
> or merely lip service to Universal Design.
> How amazed and delight I felt when each photo featured an artistic and 
> pleasing description of the photo.  The description didnt just say photo dot 
> png or stick in woods dot whatever, these descriptions went that extra step 
> that separates accessibility wannabees from practitioners of Universal Design.
> In 8.1, I opened the Brightness and Wallpapers section on my iPad 2.  Every 
> photo gave those hald done, cursury, non-descriptive labels characterized by 
> no info, ugly word choice to mirror the photo and the png ending, just to 
> make sure anybody who cant see the png knows this isnt for them.
> It is my intention to cancel my order for an upgraded iPhone 6 and not to 
> upgrade to iOS 8 point anything.
> The voices on iOS 8 point whatever sound modified.  They sound artificial and 
> there is no longer the

Re: I love Yosemite so far but:

Hi Ray,

With all those factors in mind, I’d tend to agree with you.  Some repairs or 
modifications just aren’t worth it.

Have a good one.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Oct 25, 2014, at 11:44 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Quite true Tim:  however, this baby has a major issue which would, once I 
> paid for the repairs, cost much more than a new mini modified to my liking.  
> The issue is this.  ON the built in keyboard, the following keys are not 
> working:
> 
> x s w 2 escape tilda and tab.  In order to fix that, I'd have to have the 
> entire top of the unit replaced at a cost of no less than $3.00 or so.  Also, 
> the output jack on the left side is a bit out of alinment, and, since the 
> jacks are printed in to the logic board, I'd have to spring for a new logic 
> board at about the same cost.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!
> 
>> On Oct 25, 2014, at 11:31 AM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ray,
>> 
>> That model of MBP is quite easy to upgrade RAM in and doubling your RAM to 8 
>> GB would likely see marked improvement in performance.  The upgrade in RAM 
>> would also be a fraction of the cost of a new Mini or other Mac.  I’ve 
>> upgraded a couple of MBP’s this way with SSD’s and maxed out the RAM giving 
>> them new life and amazing speed improvements.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Oct 25, 2014, at 9:32 AM, Ray Foret Jr >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Like I said, a 2009 Mac book pro:  therefore, No monitor.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for susggestion.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!
>>> 
 On Oct 25, 2014, at 9:59 AM, Cheryl Homiak >>> > wrote:
 
 If it takes a long time, you may want to repair permissions more than 
 once. And if it gives you an error or still is sluggish after repairing 
 permissions, maybe do it from another drive or from within your recovery 
 partition. I didn't go that far but I did repair permissions two or three 
 times and now my only real problem is that sometimes I lose speech and/or 
 arrowing usually in mail. Certainly your old mac mini could be the problem 
 but given that lots of people are having sluggishness issues I wouldn't 
 make that decision too quickly. Also, are you using a monitor? If so, make 
 sure it is connected and working.
 
 
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 "This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness."
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
> On Oct 25, 2014, at 9:48 AM, Ray Foret Jr  > wrote:
> 
> But what?  The sluggishness is about to drive me batty.  I don't see, 
> however, that there is much if anything I can do.  Using a Mac book pro 
> from November of 2009 with 4GB ram on it.  Already done disk permitions 
> repair and restart.  Almost time to really think about getting me a new 
> Mac Mini I reckon.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!
> 
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Re: Wireless on Yosemite

Hi,

Check for any Software Updates.  Sometimes there are ones related to your 
Airport card or firmware that will remedy those occurrences.  If you're 
up-to-date already, then it's likely something different.  Is it happening in 
the middle of use or only upon Sleep or that sort of thing?

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Oct 25, 2014, at 9:03 AM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> I upgraded to Yosemite and am having a pretty good time of it, but I lose 
> wireless connection from time to time.
> 
> I have tried starting my computer with command option p r pressed, I have 
> tried starting it with control shift power button pressed, but nothing has 
> made a difference.
> 
> Any other suggestions?
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
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help trying to sync a new iPhone with the new iTunes

Hi all,

I just edged up to the iPhone 6.  Where do I go to set sync Options in the 
latest version of iTunes.  I see a Summary Option, but no way to tell it with 
music movies etc I want to Sync.
Thanks,
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Re: iOs 8.1 performance on iPhone 4S

Hi Tim,
Your position is fair. I don't disagree, other thanThe complaints being 
registered   within bothIOS and Yosemite concern the apps that are shipped on 
each  respective product. Do we not have reasonable expectation for the 
same accessibility for the stock apps included within Apple OS be it OS 10 or 
iOS eight?  That's my only question. Thanks much

Pam Francis

On Oct 25, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi Cheri and All,

In my opinion, you have made some inaccurate assertions here.  The quality of 
the voices that you’ve expressed is likely due to your iDevice defaulting back 
to the low quality, non-enhanced version of the voices.  Normal behaviour 
during the update process.  If you download the enhanced version of your 
preferred voice, you’ll find the quality is as good or better than it was in 
iOS 7.  The download can be achieved in the Settings, General Accessibility, 
VoiceOver under the Speech section.  Switching between voices is the same as it 
was in iOS 7 when your Language preferences are included in the Rotor, which is 
also configured in the same area outlined earlier.  Regarding the descriptions 
of Wallpaper etc, I didn’t notice this and it is disappointing from an 
accessibility point of view.

Regarding yours and others opinions on Apple’s commitment to accessibility, 
over-exaggeration and inaccurate accusations or assumptions usually don’t go 
very far.  For example, I had a co-worker that used to put in Work Orders to 
our Maintenance department saying that it was so cold in the room that things 
were freezing to the floor and other surfaces.  Maintenance came over right 
away and determined that it was a few degrees colder than she liked.  In future 
Work Orders, she was not given near the priority attention that she originally 
received due to her tendency for over-blowing a situation.While our desires 
for accessibility to be perfect and to never get broken in an update is fair, 
it’s not likely going to be realized in all cases.  Any OS, be it iOS, MacOS, 
Chrome-OS or even Windows is a complex, interdependent interaction between 
processes.  Sometimes the fixing of one factor breaks another.  Sometimes it 
takes a bit of work by the software engineers to figure out how to make certain 
things work properly together.  Even with beta-testers galore, not every glitch 
is found out prior to release.  This sort of thing happens whether it’s an 
accessibility feature or just a regular part of the user experience.

For example, tearing into Apple about them changing the look and feel of iTunes 
and claiming that they have broken accessibility is an inaccurate statement.  
The actual accessibility of iTunes hasn’t changed at all, what has changed is 
how we access the various features.  How easy it is for you to manage the 
changes is not a factor of accessibility, it may be a level of comfort or ease 
of use factor, but accessibility in the manner that VO users use the term has 
to do with elements being visible and/or usable.  The device accessibility 
market is by no means particularly mature at this point in time, so, I’d 
venture to say that any device we put in our hands will have good and bad with 
respect to accessibility.  Android this, Windows that, Apple thing-a-ma-bobber 
and whoever’s talking which-a-macall-it all work to some respect but have 
limitations and/or frustrations.  No point in dissing Apple, Google or windows 
for that matter, it’s unproductive.

So, after all this, I guess what I’m saying is continue submitting bug reports 
and feature requests, and, expect for them to be addressed but be reasonable.  
bug reports should be clear, expressing the facts of the issue, outlining how 
and where it occurs, certainly they can include how it affects your 
productivity but exaggeration and accusation need not be a part.  Progress is 
occurring, will continue to occur and is necessary.

That’s my rant for the week.  Have a good day all.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Oct 25, 2014, at 9:19 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
> 
> Cheree Heppe here:
> Even with the problems listed over a wide range of applications, I updated 
> one of my iOS devices last night.  If what I am learning about 8.1 is 
> symptomatic, I think blind users can kiss good Apple access good-bye.
> One area: I remember getting my first iPhone and, in extreme skepticism and 
> with the half-done, JAWS and PC based accessibility as a precursor 
> experience, decided to find out whether the Wallpapers section gave access, 
> or merely lip service to Universal Design.
> How amazed and delight I felt when each photo featured an artistic and 
> pleasing description of the photo.  The description didnt just say photo dot 
> png or stick in woods dot whatever, these descriptions went that extra step 
> that separates accessibility wannabees from practitioners of Universal Design.
> In 8.1, I opened the Brightness and Wallpapers section on my iPad 2.  Every 
> photo gave t

Re: iOs 8.1 performance on iPhone 4S

Got the voice enhancements now and this helped.

Sent from my IPhone 4S

On 25 Oct 2014, at 11:19, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi Cheri and All,

In my opinion, you have made some inaccurate assertions here.  The quality of 
the voices that you’ve expressed is likely due to your iDevice defaulting back 
to the low quality, non-enhanced version of the voices.  Normal behaviour 
during the update process.  If you download the enhanced version of your 
preferred voice, you’ll find the quality is as good or better than it was in 
iOS 7.  The download can be achieved in the Settings, General Accessibility, 
VoiceOver under the Speech section.  Switching between voices is the same as it 
was in iOS 7 when your Language preferences are included in the Rotor, which is 
also configured in the same area outlined earlier.  Regarding the descriptions 
of Wallpaper etc, I didn’t notice this and it is disappointing from an 
accessibility point of view.

Regarding yours and others opinions on Apple’s commitment to accessibility, 
over-exaggeration and inaccurate accusations or assumptions usually don’t go 
very far.  For example, I had a co-worker that used to put in Work Orders to 
our Maintenance department saying that it was so cold in the room that things 
were freezing to the floor and other surfaces.  Maintenance came over right 
away and determined that it was a few degrees colder than she liked.  In future 
Work Orders, she was not given near the priority attention that she originally 
received due to her tendency for over-blowing a situation.While our desires 
for accessibility to be perfect and to never get broken in an update is fair, 
it’s not likely going to be realized in all cases.  Any OS, be it iOS, MacOS, 
Chrome-OS or even Windows is a complex, interdependent interaction between 
processes.  Sometimes the fixing of one factor breaks another.  Sometimes it 
takes a bit of work by the software engineers to figure out how to make certain 
things work properly together.  Even with beta-testers galore, not every glitch 
is found out prior to release.  This sort of thing happens whether it’s an 
accessibility feature or just a regular part of the user experience.

For example, tearing into Apple about them changing the look and feel of iTunes 
and claiming that they have broken accessibility is an inaccurate statement.  
The actual accessibility of iTunes hasn’t changed at all, what has changed is 
how we access the various features.  How easy it is for you to manage the 
changes is not a factor of accessibility, it may be a level of comfort or ease 
of use factor, but accessibility in the manner that VO users use the term has 
to do with elements being visible and/or usable.  The device accessibility 
market is by no means particularly mature at this point in time, so, I’d 
venture to say that any device we put in our hands will have good and bad with 
respect to accessibility.  Android this, Windows that, Apple thing-a-ma-bobber 
and whoever’s talking which-a-macall-it all work to some respect but have 
limitations and/or frustrations.  No point in dissing Apple, Google or windows 
for that matter, it’s unproductive.

So, after all this, I guess what I’m saying is continue submitting bug reports 
and feature requests, and, expect for them to be addressed but be reasonable.  
bug reports should be clear, expressing the facts of the issue, outlining how 
and where it occurs, certainly they can include how it affects your 
productivity but exaggeration and accusation need not be a part.  Progress is 
occurring, will continue to occur and is necessary.

That’s my rant for the week.  Have a good day all.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Oct 25, 2014, at 9:19 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
> 
> Cheree Heppe here:
> Even with the problems listed over a wide range of applications, I updated 
> one of my iOS devices last night.  If what I am learning about 8.1 is 
> symptomatic, I think blind users can kiss good Apple access good-bye.
> One area: I remember getting my first iPhone and, in extreme skepticism and 
> with the half-done, JAWS and PC based accessibility as a precursor 
> experience, decided to find out whether the Wallpapers section gave access, 
> or merely lip service to Universal Design.
> How amazed and delight I felt when each photo featured an artistic and 
> pleasing description of the photo.  The description didnt just say photo dot 
> png or stick in woods dot whatever, these descriptions went that extra step 
> that separates accessibility wannabees from practitioners of Universal Design.
> In 8.1, I opened the Brightness and Wallpapers section on my iPad 2.  Every 
> photo gave those hald done, cursury, non-descriptive labels characterized by 
> no info, ugly word choice to mirror the photo and the png ending, just to 
> make sure anybody who cant see the png knows this isnt for them.
> It is my intention to cancel my order for an upgraded iPhone 6 and not to 
> upgrade to iOS 8 poi

Re: Wireless on Yosemite

2014-10-25 Thread Jeff Berwick

Thanks Tim.

There are no updates available and the problem is completely random.  I could 
be in my mail getting messages, switch to Safari and then it goes out.  
Sometimes I can get it back by selecting my network from the menu extras, and 
sometimes I have to shutdown and it comes back.  It is very frustrating and, 
from Googling, many others are having the same issue, but I haven't been able 
to solve it completely yet.

Jeff

> On Oct 25, 2014, at 2:24 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Check for any Software Updates.  Sometimes there are ones related to your 
> Airport card or firmware that will remedy those occurrences.  If you're 
> up-to-date already, then it's likely something different.  Is it happening in 
> the middle of use or only upon Sleep or that sort of thing?
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Oct 25, 2014, at 9:03 AM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there,
>> 
>> I upgraded to Yosemite and am having a pretty good time of it, but I lose 
>> wireless connection from time to time.
>> 
>> I have tried starting my computer with command option p r pressed, I have 
>> tried starting it with control shift power button pressed, but nothing has 
>> made a difference.
>> 
>> Any other suggestions?
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Jeff
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Never mind lastmessage

Never mind.  I just got the software updated, then did a reset so can now just 
back up from my last iCloud backup.

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Re: iOs 8.1 performance on iPhone 4S

2014-10-25 Thread The Believer

My take on this is this. Tim mentioned 'reasonable expectations'.
Not only do we need to keep our expectations to a level that is not
UNreasonable, it also means that when we encounter issues, we also keep
them to a reasonable level when seeking help. Expressing displeasure is
reasonable if its balanced with respect.

If you had looked for a solution to the low quality of speech from
the get go, the outcome would have been much different and you probably
would not have reached the point you did and canceled your order. But
its perfectly ok to do that and go with another company. Its a free market.

I went from 7.1.2 to 8.1 and am perfectly happy with it. So far the
only problem I have is Siri but that has little impact on my iPhone 5's
usability. In a perfect world we would have zero issues with
accessibility but then, in a perfect world, we would not need accessibility.

From The Believer. . .
. . . what if it were true?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 10/25/2014 12:06 PM, Cheree Heppe wrote:

Got the voice enhancements now and this helped.

Sent from my IPhone 4S

On 25 Oct 2014, at 11:19, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi Cheri and All,

In my opinion, you have made some inaccurate assertions here. The quality of
the voices that you've expressed is likely due to your iDevice defaulting back
to the low quality, non-enhanced version of the voices. Normal behaviour
during the update process. If you download the enhanced version of your
preferred voice, you'll find the quality is as good or better than it was in
iOS 7. The download can be achieved in the Settings, General Accessibility,
VoiceOver under the Speech section. Switching between voices is the same as it
was in iOS 7 when your Language preferences are included in the Rotor, which is
also configured in the same area outlined earlier. Regarding the descriptions
of Wallpaper etc, I didn't notice this and it is disappointing from an
accessibility point of view.

Regarding yours and others opinions on Apple's commitment to accessibility, over-exaggeration and inaccurate accusations or assumptions usually don't go very far. For example, I had a co-worker that used to put in Work Orders to our Maintenance department saying that it was so cold in the room that things were freezing to the floor and other surfaces. Maintenance came over right away and determined that it was a few degrees colder than she liked. In future Work Orders, she was not given near the priority attention that she originally received due to her tendency for over-blowing a situation.While our desires for accessibility to be perfect and to never get broken in an update is fair, it's not likely going to be realized in all cases. Any OS, be it iOS, MacOS, Chrome-OS or even Windows is a complex, interdependent interaction between processes. Sometimes the fixing of one factor breaks another. Sometimes it takes a bit of work by the software engineers to figure out how

to make certain things work properly together. Even with beta-testers galore,
not every glitch is found out prior to release. This sort of thing happens
whether it's an accessibility feature or just a regular part of the user
experience.

For example, tearing into Apple about them changing the look and feel of iTunes
and claiming that they have broken accessibility is an inaccurate statement.
The actual accessibility of iTunes hasn't changed at all, what has changed is
how we access the various features. How easy it is for you to manage the
changes is not a factor of accessibility, it may be a level of comfort or ease
of use factor, but accessibility in the manner that VO users use the term has
to do with elements being visible and/or usable. The device accessibility
market is by no means particularly mature at this point in time, so, I'd
venture to say that any device we put in our hands will have good and bad with
respect to accessibility. Android this, Windows that, Apple thing-a-ma-bobber
and whoever's talking which-a-macall-it all work to some respect but have
limitations and/or frustrations. No point in dissing Apple, Google or windows
for that matter, it's unproductive.

So, after all this, I guess what I'm saying is continue submitting bug reports
and feature requests, and, expect for them to be addressed but be reasonable.
bug reports should be clear, expressing the facts of the issue, outlining how
and where it occurs, certainly they can include how it affects your
productivity but exaggeration and accusation need not be a part. Progress is
occurring, will continue to occur and is necessary.

That's my rant for the week. Have a good day all.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 25, 2014, at 9:19 AM, Cheree Heppe wrote:

Cheree Heppe here:
Even with the problems listed over a wide range of applications, I updated one
of my iOS devices last night. If what I am learning about 8.1 is symptomatic,
I think blind users can kiss good A

Odd issue with mail on the mac

2014-10-25 Thread Brandt Steenkamp

Hi there folks,

My fiancé is experiencing a rather odd issue with one particular email on her 
Macbook Air, latest. The subject line is as expected, but the text in the body 
is from a totally different message.

The expected attachments is also missing.

I sorted the issue by getting the attachment from Mail on her phone to dropbox. 
Is there something I can do to fix it on the mac itself?

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent from my macbook pro

Contact me:

Mobile/iMessage/WatsApp: +27605259181

Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com

My ring to Skype:
California, United States
  +(1)760-5140161  
Extension 512
Cape Town, South Africa
   +(27)213-002317  
Extension 161
Johannesburg, South Africa
+(27)105-002316
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Skype: Brandt.steenkamp007

SIP: 5500...@spokn.com

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Handoff with the Mac and 5S

2014-10-25 Thread Eugenia Firth

I most say I really like pages with the Mac and the 5S together. I just tried 
tables, and I finally figured out how to do it. To get out of the cell, you 
have to go to the button done button. My next test will beto see if I can 
figure out numbers.am I right that if you copy your documents folder to the I 
drive that it goes to the cloud and therefore is considered part of your 
storage that you are allowed? If that's so, I'll Apple little bit of money.
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Time Machine won't start backup

2014-10-25 Thread Agent086b

Thanks Tim. 
it looks like that worked. The Mac wasn't the only thing that was getting 
confused.
Max

> On 26 Oct 2014, at 1:26 am, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Try restarting your computer.  It looks like something is confused and not 
> getting started for you.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2014, at 11:35 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I have been waiting for several hours now and Still Time Machine is still 
>> preparing a backup.
>> Surely It should have started by now.
>> a frustrated 
>> Max
>> 
>>> On 25 Oct 2014, at 1:19 pm, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> It's likely not a problem.  If your last backup was prior to Yosemite, then 
>>> it will actually take a while to prepare the backup.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Oct 24, 2014, at 7:59 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 I am trying to do a Time Machine backup under Yosemite. For more than an 
 hour Time Machine shows preparing backup. The last backup I did was on 
 October 21st. I am not sure if that was before or after I installed 
 Yosemite.
 Anybody else having any problems?
 Thanks for any help.
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Re: iOs 8.1 performance on iPhone 4S

Drops in performance should not be rewarded, especially when they have done 
better in earlier IOS releases.

Sent from my IPhone 4S

On 25 Oct 2014, at 12:56, The Believer  wrote:

  My take on this is this. Tim mentioned 'reasonable expectations'. Not only do 
we need to keep our expectations to a level that is not UNreasonable, it also 
means that when we encounter issues, we also keep them to a reasonable level 
when seeking help. Expressing displeasure is reasonable if its balanced with 
respect.

  If you had looked for a solution to the low quality of speech from the get 
go, the outcome would have been much different and you probably would not have 
reached the point you did and canceled your order. But its perfectly ok to do 
that and go with another company. Its a free market.

  I went from 7.1.2 to 8.1 and am perfectly happy with it. So far the only 
problem I have is Siri but that has little impact on my iPhone 5's usability. 
In a perfect world we would have zero issues with accessibility but then, in a 
perfect world, we would not need accessibility.

>From The Believer. . .
. . . what if it were true?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

> On 10/25/2014 12:06 PM, Cheree Heppe wrote:
> Got the voice enhancements now and this helped.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone 4S
> 
> On 25 Oct 2014, at 11:19, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Cheri and All,
> 
> In my opinion, you have made some inaccurate assertions here.  The quality of 
> the voices that you've expressed is likely due to your iDevice defaulting 
> back to the low quality, non-enhanced version of the voices.  Normal 
> behaviour during the update process.  If you download the enhanced version of 
> your preferred voice, you'll find the quality is as good or better than it 
> was in iOS 7.  The download can be achieved in the Settings, General 
> Accessibility, VoiceOver under the Speech section.  Switching between voices 
> is the same as it was in iOS 7 when your Language preferences are included in 
> the Rotor, which is also configured in the same area outlined earlier.  
> Regarding the descriptions of Wallpaper etc, I didn't notice this and it is 
> disappointing from an accessibility point of view.
> 
> Regarding yours and others opinions on Apple's commitment to accessibility, 
> over-exaggeration and inaccurate accusations or assumptions usually don't go 
> very far.  For example, I had a co-worker that used to put in Work Orders to 
> our Maintenance department saying that it was so cold in the room that things 
> were freezing to the floor and other surfaces.  Maintenance came over right 
> away and determined that it was a few degrees colder than she liked.  In 
> future Work Orders, she was not given near the priority attention that she 
> originally received due to her tendency for over-blowing a situation.
> While our desires for accessibility to be perfect and to never get broken in 
> an update is fair, it's not likely going to be realized in all cases.  Any 
> OS, be it iOS, MacOS, Chrome-OS or even Windows is a complex, interdependent 
> interaction between processes.  Sometimes the fixing of one factor breaks 
> another.  Sometimes it takes a bit of work by the software engineers to 
> figure out how 
to make certain things work properly together.  Even with beta-testers galore, 
not every glitch is found out prior to release.  This sort of thing happens 
whether it's an accessibility feature or just a regular part of the user 
experience.
> 
> For example, tearing into Apple about them changing the look and feel of 
> iTunes and claiming that they have broken accessibility is an inaccurate 
> statement.  The actual accessibility of iTunes hasn't changed at all, what 
> has changed is how we access the various features.  How easy it is for you to 
> manage the changes is not a factor of accessibility, it may be a level of 
> comfort or ease of use factor, but accessibility in the manner that VO users 
> use the term has to do with elements being visible and/or usable.  The device 
> accessibility market is by no means particularly mature at this point in 
> time, so, I'd venture to say that any device we put in our hands will have 
> good and bad with respect to accessibility.  Android this, Windows that, 
> Apple thing-a-ma-bobber and whoever's talking which-a-macall-it all work to 
> some respect but have limitations and/or frustrations.  No point in dissing 
> Apple, Google or windows for that matter, it's unproductive.
> 
> So, after all this, I guess what I'm saying is continue submitting bug 
> reports and feature requests, and, expect for them to be addressed but be 
> reasonable.
> bug reports should be clear, expressing the facts of the issue, outlining how 
> and where it occurs, certainly they can include how it affects your 
> productivity but exaggeration and accusation need not be a part.  Progress is 
> occurring, will continue to occur and is necessary.
> 
> That's my rant for the week.  Have a good day all.
> 
> Later

Re: iOs 8.1 performance on iPhone 4S

2014-10-25 Thread Shawn Krasniuk

Hi. Well said Tim. Nothing good will come if we're not reasonable. For example, 
when I received the first public beta of Yosemite, for some reason Text Edit 
wouldn't open any files ending with the .docx extension. I immediately launched 
the Feedback Assistant app and reported this bug to Apple. Another bug that was 
present in the beta, and I don't know if it's still present today, is when 
clicking the lock to make changes in the security tab to allow apps to open 
that haven't been downloaded from the App Store, my choice was ignored after 
the fact I made the change. If that bug is still present today, I won't be 
sitting here moaning to you guys that it's still present and basically bashing 
Apple because let's face it, that would be a waste of mine and your time, and 
might make some people laugh or maybe angry. Instead, I'll be sending an email 
to Apple or if we can still use it even though this isn't a beta, I'll use the 
Feedback Assistant to report the bug.
Another point that Tim made is about Apple's commitment to accessibility. I 
don't think that it has slid at all. In my 4 years that I've used Apple 
products, (4 years on November 3rd), I find accessibility about the same or a 
bit better. First I bought this MacBook, then the iPod Nanno, then the iTouch 
4, the iPhone 4, 4S, and now 5S. All these devices have done pretty much all 
I've wanted them to do. And guess what. My next computer if this white MacBook 
goes down the crapper or if Yosemite will be the last operating system I can 
upgrade to will probably be a MacBook Air because I know Apple products can get 
what I need to be accomplished done. And also like I said in a previous thread, 
PC's and I don't get along. :)

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook

> On Oct 25, 2014, at 2:03 PM, Pamela Francis  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> Your position is fair. I don't disagree, other thanThe complaints being 
> registered   within bothIOS and Yosemite concern the apps that are shipped on 
> each  respective product. Do we not have reasonable expectation for the 
> same accessibility for the stock apps included within Apple OS be it OS 10 or 
> iOS eight?  That's my only question. Thanks much
> 
> Pam Francis
> 
> On Oct 25, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Cheri and All,
> 
> In my opinion, you have made some inaccurate assertions here.  The quality of 
> the voices that you’ve expressed is likely due to your iDevice defaulting 
> back to the low quality, non-enhanced version of the voices.  Normal 
> behaviour during the update process.  If you download the enhanced version of 
> your preferred voice, you’ll find the quality is as good or better than it 
> was in iOS 7.  The download can be achieved in the Settings, General 
> Accessibility, VoiceOver under the Speech section.  Switching between voices 
> is the same as it was in iOS 7 when your Language preferences are included in 
> the Rotor, which is also configured in the same area outlined earlier.  
> Regarding the descriptions of Wallpaper etc, I didn’t notice this and it is 
> disappointing from an accessibility point of view.
> 
> Regarding yours and others opinions on Apple’s commitment to accessibility, 
> over-exaggeration and inaccurate accusations or assumptions usually don’t go 
> very far.  For example, I had a co-worker that used to put in Work Orders to 
> our Maintenance department saying that it was so cold in the room that things 
> were freezing to the floor and other surfaces.  Maintenance came over right 
> away and determined that it was a few degrees colder than she liked.  In 
> future Work Orders, she was not given near the priority attention that she 
> originally received due to her tendency for over-blowing a situation.
> While our desires for accessibility to be perfect and to never get broken in 
> an update is fair, it’s not likely going to be realized in all cases.  Any 
> OS, be it iOS, MacOS, Chrome-OS or even Windows is a complex, interdependent 
> interaction between processes.  Sometimes the fixing of one factor breaks 
> another.  Sometimes it takes a bit of work by the software engineers to 
> figure out how to make certain things work properly together.  Even with 
> beta-testers galore, not every glitch is found out prior to release.  This 
> sort of thing happens whether it’s an accessibility feature or just a regular 
> part of the user experience.
> 
> For example, tearing into Apple about them changing the look and feel of 
> iTunes and claiming that they have broken accessibility is an inaccurate 
> statement.  The actual accessibility of iTunes hasn’t changed at all, what 
> has changed is how we access the various features.  How easy it is for you to 
> manage the changes is not a factor of accessibility, it may be a level of 
> comfort or ease of use factor, but accessibility in the manner that VO users 
> use the term has to do with elements being visible and/or usable.  The device 
> accessibility market is by no means part

Re: I love Yosemite so far but:

Oh sorry, I could have sworn I heard mac mini! i must have been thinking about 
mac minis for some reason :-)

-- 
Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
"This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness."
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




> On Oct 25, 2014, at 10:32 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Like I said, a 2009 Mac book pro:  therefore, No monitor.
> 
> Thanks for susggestion.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!
> 
>> On Oct 25, 2014, at 9:59 AM, Cheryl Homiak > > wrote:
>> 
>> If it takes a long time, you may want to repair permissions more than once. 
>> And if it gives you an error or still is sluggish after repairing 
>> permissions, maybe do it from another drive or from within your recovery 
>> partition. I didn't go that far but I did repair permissions two or three 
>> times and now my only real problem is that sometimes I lose speech and/or 
>> arrowing usually in mail. Certainly your old mac mini could be the problem 
>> but given that lots of people are having sluggishness issues I wouldn't make 
>> that decision too quickly. Also, are you using a monitor? If so, make sure 
>> it is connected and working.
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Cheryl
>> 
>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
>> thrown in the trash!
>> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>> His joy for my despairing tears!
>> And now, every day:
>> "This I call to mind,
>> and therefore I have hope:
>> The steadfast love of the Lord
>> never ceases;
>> his mercies never come to an end;
>> they are new every morning;
>> great is your faithfulness."
>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 25, 2014, at 9:48 AM, Ray Foret Jr >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> But what?  The sluggishness is about to drive me batty.  I don't see, 
>>> however, that there is much if anything I can do.  Using a Mac book pro 
>>> from November of 2009 with 4GB ram on it.  Already done disk permitions 
>>> repair and restart.  Almost time to really think about getting me a new Mac 
>>> Mini I reckon.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus!
>>> 
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Re: iOs 8.1 performance on iPhone 4S

What happens if we can't use more and more while sending fix requests?  Didn't 
someone say a while back that the blind aren't a buying majority and should 
gratefully accept what we are handed?

Sent from my IPhone 4S

On 25 Oct 2014, at 15:03, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

Hi. Well said Tim. Nothing good will come if we're not reasonable. For example, 
when I received the first public beta of Yosemite, for some reason Text Edit 
wouldn't open any files ending with the .docx extension. I immediately launched 
the Feedback Assistant app and reported this bug to Apple. Another bug that was 
present in the beta, and I don't know if it's still present today, is when 
clicking the lock to make changes in the security tab to allow apps to open 
that haven't been downloaded from the App Store, my choice was ignored after 
the fact I made the change. If that bug is still present today, I won't be 
sitting here moaning to you guys that it's still present and basically bashing 
Apple because let's face it, that would be a waste of mine and your time, and 
might make some people laugh or maybe angry. Instead, I'll be sending an email 
to Apple or if we can still use it even though this isn't a beta, I'll use the 
Feedback Assistant to report the bug.
Another point that Tim made is about Apple's commitment to accessibility. I 
don't think that it has slid at all. In my 4 years that I've used Apple 
products, (4 years on November 3rd), I find accessibility about the same or a 
bit better. First I bought this MacBook, then the iPod Nanno, then the iTouch 
4, the iPhone 4, 4S, and now 5S. All these devices have done pretty much all 
I've wanted them to do. And guess what. My next computer if this white MacBook 
goes down the crapper or if Yosemite will be the last operating system I can 
upgrade to will probably be a MacBook Air because I know Apple products can get 
what I need to be accomplished done. And also like I said in a previous thread, 
PC's and I don't get along. :)

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook

> On Oct 25, 2014, at 2:03 PM, Pamela Francis  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> Your position is fair. I don't disagree, other thanThe complaints being 
> registered   within bothIOS and Yosemite concern the apps that are shipped on 
> each  respective product. Do we not have reasonable expectation for the 
> same accessibility for the stock apps included within Apple OS be it OS 10 or 
> iOS eight?  That's my only question. Thanks much
> 
> Pam Francis
> 
> On Oct 25, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Cheri and All,
> 
> In my opinion, you have made some inaccurate assertions here.  The quality of 
> the voices that you’ve expressed is likely due to your iDevice defaulting 
> back to the low quality, non-enhanced version of the voices.  Normal 
> behaviour during the update process.  If you download the enhanced version of 
> your preferred voice, you’ll find the quality is as good or better than it 
> was in iOS 7.  The download can be achieved in the Settings, General 
> Accessibility, VoiceOver under the Speech section.  Switching between voices 
> is the same as it was in iOS 7 when your Language preferences are included in 
> the Rotor, which is also configured in the same area outlined earlier.  
> Regarding the descriptions of Wallpaper etc, I didn’t notice this and it is 
> disappointing from an accessibility point of view.
> 
> Regarding yours and others opinions on Apple’s commitment to accessibility, 
> over-exaggeration and inaccurate accusations or assumptions usually don’t go 
> very far.  For example, I had a co-worker that used to put in Work Orders to 
> our Maintenance department saying that it was so cold in the room that things 
> were freezing to the floor and other surfaces.  Maintenance came over right 
> away and determined that it was a few degrees colder than she liked.  In 
> future Work Orders, she was not given near the priority attention that she 
> originally received due to her tendency for over-blowing a situation.
> While our desires for accessibility to be perfect and to never get broken in 
> an update is fair, it’s not likely going to be realized in all cases.  Any 
> OS, be it iOS, MacOS, Chrome-OS or even Windows is a complex, interdependent 
> interaction between processes.  Sometimes the fixing of one factor breaks 
> another.  Sometimes it takes a bit of work by the software engineers to 
> figure out how to make certain things work properly together.  Even with 
> beta-testers galore, not every glitch is found out prior to release.  This 
> sort of thing happens whether it’s an accessibility feature or just a regular 
> part of the user experience.
> 
> For example, tearing into Apple about them changing the look and feel of 
> iTunes and claiming that they have broken accessibility is an inaccurate 
> statement.  The actual accessibility of iTunes hasn’t changed at all, what 
> has changed is how we access the various features.  How easy it is for you to 
> manage t

Re: iOs 8.1 performance on iPhone 4S

2014-10-25 Thread Jose Lomeli

Drops in performance should not be rewarded, especially when they have done 
better in earlier IOS releases.

Sent from my IPhone 4S

On 25 Oct 2014, at 12:56, The Believer  wrote:

 My take on this is this. Tim mentioned 'reasonable expectations'. Not only do 
we need to keep our expectations to a level that is not UNreasonable, it also 
means that when we encounter issues, we also keep them to a reasonable level 
when seeking help. Expressing displeasure is reasonable if its balanced with 
respect.

 If you had looked for a solution to the low quality of speech from the get go, 
the outcome would have been much different and you probably would not have 
reached the point you did and canceled your order. But its perfectly ok to do 
that and go with another company. Its a free market.

 I went from 7.1.2 to 8.1 and am perfectly happy with it. So far the only 
problem I have is Siri but that has little impact on my iPhone 5's usability. 
In a perfect world we would have zero issues with accessibility but then, in a 
perfect world, we would not need accessibility.

>From The Believer. . .
. . . what if it were true?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

> On 10/25/2014 12:06 PM, Cheree Heppe wrote:
> Got the voice enhancements now and this helped.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone 4S
> 
> On 25 Oct 2014, at 11:19, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Cheri and All,
> 
> In my opinion, you have made some inaccurate assertions here.  The quality of 
> the voices that you've expressed is likely due to your iDevice defaulting 
> back to the low quality, non-enhanced version of the voices.  Normal 
> behaviour during the update process.  If you download the enhanced version of 
> your preferred voice, you'll find the quality is as good or better than it 
> was in iOS 7.  The download can be achieved in the Settings, General 
> Accessibility, VoiceOver under the Speech section.  Switching between voices 
> is the same as it was in iOS 7 when your Language preferences are included in 
> the Rotor, which is also configured in the same area outlined earlier.  
> Regarding the descriptions of Wallpaper etc, I didn't notice this and it is 
> disappointing from an accessibility point of view.
> 
> Regarding yours and others opinions on Apple's commitment to accessibility, 
> over-exaggeration and inaccurate accusations or assumptions usually don't go 
> very far.  For example, I had a co-worker that used to put in Work Orders to 
> our Maintenance department saying that it was so cold in the room that things 
> were freezing to the floor and other surfaces.  Maintenance came over right 
> away and determined that it was a few degrees colder than she liked.  In 
> future Work Orders, she was not given near the priority attention that she 
> originally received due to her tendency for over-blowing a situation.
> While our desires for accessibility to be perfect and to never get broken in 
> an update is fair, it's not likely going to be realized in all cases.  Any 
> OS, be it iOS, MacOS, Chrome-OS or even Windows is a complex, interdependent 
> interaction between processes.  Sometimes the fixing of one factor breaks 
> another.  Sometimes it takes a bit of work by the software engineers to 
> figure out how 
to make certain things work properly together.  Even with beta-testers galore, 
not every glitch is found out prior to release.  This sort of thing happens 
whether it's an accessibility feature or just a regular part of the user 
experience.
> 
> For example, tearing into Apple about them changing the look and feel of 
> iTunes and claiming that they have broken accessibility is an inaccurate 
> statement.  The actual accessibility of iTunes hasn't changed at all, what 
> has changed is how we access the various features.  How easy it is for you to 
> manage the changes is not a factor of accessibility, it may be a level of 
> comfort or ease of use factor, but accessibility in the manner that VO users 
> use the term has to do with elements being visible and/or usable.  The device 
> accessibility market is by no means particularly mature at this point in 
> time, so, I'd venture to say that any device we put in our hands will have 
> good and bad with respect to accessibility.  Android this, Windows that, 
> Apple thing-a-ma-bobber and whoever's talking which-a-macall-it all work to 
> some respect but have limitations and/or frustrations.  No point in dissing 
> Apple, Google or windows for that matter, it's unproductive.
> 
> So, after all this, I guess what I'm saying is continue submitting bug 
> reports and feature requests, and, expect for them to be addressed but be 
> reasonable.
> bug reports should be clear, expressing the facts of the issue, outlining how 
> and where it occurs, certainly they can include how it affects your 
> productivity but exaggeration and accusation need not be a part.  Progress is 
> occurring, will continue to occur and is necessary.
> 
> That's my rant for the week.  Have a good day all.
> 
> Later...

Re: iOs 8.1 performance on iPhone 4S

2014-10-25 Thread The Believer

   Rewarded? Oh, you mean, by buying more Apple goodies. I'd venture a 
guess that Microsoft and Google would suffer the same. Maybe not? 
Perhaps they are better?


   As I said before, I am running 8.1 and notice little difference. 
Maybe my own expectations are too low.


From The Believer. . .
 . . . what if it were true?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 10/25/2014 3:03 PM, Cheree Heppe wrote:

Drops in performance should not be rewarded, especially when they have done 
better in earlier IOS releases.

Sent from my IPhone 4S

On 25 Oct 2014, at 12:56, The Believer  wrote:

   My take on this is this. Tim mentioned 'reasonable expectations'. Not only 
do we need to keep our expectations to a level that is not UNreasonable, it 
also means that when we encounter issues, we also keep them to a reasonable 
level when seeking help. Expressing displeasure is reasonable if its balanced 
with respect.

   If you had looked for a solution to the low quality of speech from the get 
go, the outcome would have been much different and you probably would not have 
reached the point you did and canceled your order. But its perfectly ok to do 
that and go with another company. Its a free market.

   I went from 7.1.2 to 8.1 and am perfectly happy with it. So far the only 
problem I have is Siri but that has little impact on my iPhone 5's usability. 
In a perfect world we would have zero issues with accessibility but then, in a 
perfect world, we would not need accessibility.

 From The Believer. . .
. . . what if it were true?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com


On 10/25/2014 12:06 PM, Cheree Heppe wrote:
Got the voice enhancements now and this helped.

Sent from my IPhone 4S

On 25 Oct 2014, at 11:19, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi Cheri and All,

In my opinion, you have made some inaccurate assertions here.  The quality of 
the voices that you've expressed is likely due to your iDevice defaulting back 
to the low quality, non-enhanced version of the voices.  Normal behaviour 
during the update process.  If you download the enhanced version of your 
preferred voice, you'll find the quality is as good or better than it was in 
iOS 7.  The download can be achieved in the Settings, General Accessibility, 
VoiceOver under the Speech section.  Switching between voices is the same as it 
was in iOS 7 when your Language preferences are included in the Rotor, which is 
also configured in the same area outlined earlier.  Regarding the descriptions 
of Wallpaper etc, I didn't notice this and it is disappointing from an 
accessibility point of view.

Regarding yours and others opinions on Apple's commitment to accessibility, 
over-exaggeration and inaccurate accusations or assumptions usually don't go 
very far.  For example, I had a co-worker that used to put in Work Orders to 
our Maintenance department saying that it was so cold in the room that things 
were freezing to the floor and other surfaces.  Maintenance came over right 
away and determined that it was a few degrees colder than she liked.  In future 
Work Orders, she was not given near the priority attention that she originally 
received due to her tendency for over-blowing a situation.While our desires 
for accessibility to be perfect and to never get broken in an update is fair, 
it's not likely going to be realized in all cases.  Any OS, be it iOS, MacOS, 
Chrome-OS or even Windows is a complex, interdependent interaction between 
processes.  Sometimes the fixing of one factor breaks another.  Sometimes it 
takes a bit of work by the software engineers to figure out how



to make certain things work properly together.  Even with beta-testers galore, 
not every glitch is found out prior to release.  This sort of thing happens 
whether it's an accessibility feature or just a regular part of the user 
experience.


For example, tearing into Apple about them changing the look and feel of iTunes 
and claiming that they have broken accessibility is an inaccurate statement.  
The actual accessibility of iTunes hasn't changed at all, what has changed is 
how we access the various features.  How easy it is for you to manage the 
changes is not a factor of accessibility, it may be a level of comfort or ease 
of use factor, but accessibility in the manner that VO users use the term has 
to do with elements being visible and/or usable.  The device accessibility 
market is by no means particularly mature at this point in time, so, I'd 
venture to say that any device we put in our hands will have good and bad with 
respect to accessibility.  Android this, Windows that, Apple thing-a-ma-bobber 
and whoever's talking which-a-macall-it all work to some respect but have 
limitations and/or frustrations.  No point in dissing Apple, Google or windows 
for that matter, it's unproductive.

So, after all this, I guess what I'm saying is continue submitting bug reports 
and feature requests, and, expect for them to be addressed but be reasonable.
bug reports should be clear, expressing the facts of th

How accessible is the duet 2 sound device.

2014-10-25 Thread Annie Skov Nielsen

Hi all.

I have been looking at some sound devices. I came across the duet 2 from 
apogee, that can run on both macs and IPad/IPhone. I have looked a little on 
the IPhone software in simulation mode, and as far as I can tell, it looks 
rather accessible. Does anyone know how accessible the macsoftware is.

I have also been looking at the quartet sound device from apogee would there be 
any differences between duet and quartet when it comes to accessibility.

Best regards Annie.

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Re: iOs 8.1 performance on iPhone 4S

2014-10-25 Thread John Panarese

   What I find interesting is this notion that we are rewarding or punishing a 
company, as if it makes a major difference.  The difference is actually five 
years ago, we wouldn't be having this discussion at all.  The fact we even have 
access to a touch interface and we've come so far without having to pay 
anything extra for it is still something that amazes me.

  Also, in six months, the vast majority of the bugs in iOS 8 will be gone 
and this whole discussion will be forgotten until people can complain about the 
next upgrade.  In reality, Microsoft, Google or any other company are no 
different and I find it amusing that they re being seen as a better 
alternative.  At least the iPhone 4S can even run iOS 8.  New versions of 
Android aren't even supported on phones less than six months old, which is 
probably why only 11 percent of Android users actually are running the latest 
version of Android and while so may people are jumping from the Android 
ecosystem to iOS.  Stability and continuity make a big deal if you plan to hold 
on to a phone for two years and still want to use the latest software.  But, 
there are options and choices, and that's what makes technology progress 
further for us all.



Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
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> On Oct 25, 2014, at 6:35 PM, The Believer  wrote:
> 
>   Rewarded? Oh, you mean, by buying more Apple goodies. I'd venture a guess 
> that Microsoft and Google would suffer the same. Maybe not? Perhaps they are 
> better?
> 
>   As I said before, I am running 8.1 and notice little difference. Maybe my 
> own expectations are too low.
> 
> From The Believer. . .
> . . . what if it were true?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 10/25/2014 3:03 PM, Cheree Heppe wrote:
>> Drops in performance should not be rewarded, especially when they have done 
>> better in earlier IOS releases.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone 4S
>> 
>> On 25 Oct 2014, at 12:56, The Believer  wrote:
>> 
>>   My take on this is this. Tim mentioned 'reasonable expectations'. Not only 
>> do we need to keep our expectations to a level that is not UNreasonable, it 
>> also means that when we encounter issues, we also keep them to a reasonable 
>> level when seeking help. Expressing displeasure is reasonable if its 
>> balanced with respect.
>> 
>>   If you had looked for a solution to the low quality of speech from the get 
>> go, the outcome would have been much different and you probably would not 
>> have reached the point you did and canceled your order. But its perfectly ok 
>> to do that and go with another company. Its a free market.
>> 
>>   I went from 7.1.2 to 8.1 and am perfectly happy with it. So far the only 
>> problem I have is Siri but that has little impact on my iPhone 5's 
>> usability. In a perfect world we would have zero issues with accessibility 
>> but then, in a perfect world, we would not need accessibility.
>> 
>> From The Believer. . .
>> . . . what if it were true?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On 10/25/2014 12:06 PM, Cheree Heppe wrote:
>>> Got the voice enhancements now and this helped.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone 4S
>>> 
>>> On 25 Oct 2014, at 11:19, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Cheri and All,
>>> 
>>> In my opinion, you have made some inaccurate assertions here.  The quality 
>>> of the voices that you've expressed is likely due to your iDevice 
>>> defaulting back to the low quality, non-enhanced version of the voices.  
>>> Normal behaviour during the update process.  If you download the enhanced 
>>> version of your preferred voice, you'll find the quality is as good or 
>>> better than it was in iOS 7.  The download can be achieved in the Settings, 
>>> General Accessibility, VoiceOver under the Speech section.  Switching 
>>> between voices is the same as it was in iOS 7 when your Language 
>>> preferences are included in the Rotor, which is also configured in the same 
>>> area outlined earlier.  Regarding the descriptions of Wallpaper etc, I 
>>> didn't notice this and it is disappointing from an accessibility point of 
>>> view.
>>> 
>>> Regarding yours and others opinions on Apple's commitment to accessibility, 
>>> over-exaggeration and inaccurate accusations or assumptions usually don't 
>>> go very far.  For example, I had a co-worker that used to put in Work 
>>> Orders to our Maintenance department saying that it was so cold in the room 
>>> that things were freezing to the floor and other surfaces.  Maintenance 
>>> came over right away and determined that it was a few degrees colder than 
>>> she liked.  In future Work Orders, she was not given near the priority 
>>> attention that she originally received due to her tendency for over-blowing 
>>> a situation.Whi

Re: iOs 8.1 performance on iPhone 4S

2014-10-25 Thread The Believer

   Whatever did blind people do in the Dark Ages, before accessibility 
became part of the language? As long as you have owned Apple products, 
have you ever had a product with zero defects in hardware, software, 
accessibility features?


From The Believer. . .
 . . . what if it were true?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 10/25/2014 3:16 PM, Cheree Heppe wrote:

What happens if we can't use more and more while sending fix requests?  Didn't 
someone say a while back that the blind aren't a buying majority and should 
gratefully accept what we are handed?

Sent from my IPhone 4S

On 25 Oct 2014, at 15:03, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

Hi. Well said Tim. Nothing good will come if we're not reasonable. For example, 
when I received the first public beta of Yosemite, for some reason Text Edit 
wouldn't open any files ending with the .docx extension. I immediately launched 
the Feedback Assistant app and reported this bug to Apple. Another bug that was 
present in the beta, and I don't know if it's still present today, is when 
clicking the lock to make changes in the security tab to allow apps to open 
that haven't been downloaded from the App Store, my choice was ignored after 
the fact I made the change. If that bug is still present today, I won't be 
sitting here moaning to you guys that it's still present and basically bashing 
Apple because let's face it, that would be a waste of mine and your time, and 
might make some people laugh or maybe angry. Instead, I'll be sending an email 
to Apple or if we can still use it even though this isn't a beta, I'll use the 
Feedback Assistant to report the bug.
Another point that Tim made is about Apple's commitment to accessibility. I 
don't think that it has slid at all. In my 4 years that I've used Apple 
products, (4 years on November 3rd), I find accessibility about the same or a 
bit better. First I bought this MacBook, then the iPod Nanno, then the iTouch 
4, the iPhone 4, 4S, and now 5S. All these devices have done pretty much all 
I've wanted them to do. And guess what. My next computer if this white MacBook 
goes down the crapper or if Yosemite will be the last operating system I can 
upgrade to will probably be a MacBook Air because I know Apple products can get 
what I need to be accomplished done. And also like I said in a previous thread, 
PC's and I don't get along. :)

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook


On Oct 25, 2014, at 2:03 PM, Pamela Francis  wrote:

Hi Tim,
Your position is fair. I don't disagree, other thanThe complaints being 
registered   within bothIOS and Yosemite concern the apps that are shipped on 
each  respective product. Do we not have reasonable expectation for the 
same accessibility for the stock apps included within Apple OS be it OS 10 or 
iOS eight?  That's my only question. Thanks much

Pam Francis

On Oct 25, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi Cheri and All,

In my opinion, you have made some inaccurate assertions here.  The quality of 
the voices that you've expressed is likely due to your iDevice defaulting back 
to the low quality, non-enhanced version of the voices.  Normal behaviour 
during the update process.  If you download the enhanced version of your 
preferred voice, you'll find the quality is as good or better than it was in 
iOS 7.  The download can be achieved in the Settings, General Accessibility, 
VoiceOver under the Speech section.  Switching between voices is the same as it 
was in iOS 7 when your Language preferences are included in the Rotor, which is 
also configured in the same area outlined earlier.  Regarding the descriptions 
of Wallpaper etc, I didn't notice this and it is disappointing from an 
accessibility point of view.

Regarding yours and others opinions on Apple's commitment to accessibility, 
over-exaggeration and inaccurate accusations or assumptions usually don't go 
very far.  For example, I had a co-worker that used to put in Work Orders to 
our Maintenance department saying that it was so cold in the room that things 
were freezing to the floor and other surfaces.  Maintenance came over right 
away and determined that it was a few degrees colder than she liked.  In future 
Work Orders, she was not given near the priority attention that she originally 
received due to her tendency for over-blowing a situation.While our desires 
for accessibility to be perfect and to never get broken in an update is fair, 
it's not likely going to be realized in all cases.  Any OS, be it iOS, MacOS, 
Chrome-OS or even Windows is a complex, interdependent interaction between 
processes.  Sometimes the fixing of one factor breaks another.  Sometimes it 
takes a bit of work by the software engineers to figure out how

to make certain things work properly together.  Even with beta-testers galore, 
not every glitch is found out prior to release.  This sort of thing happens 
whether it's an accessibility feature or just a regular part of the user 
experience.


For example, tearing into Apple about them cha

Re: iOs 8.1 performance on iPhone 4S

2014-10-25 Thread Karen Lewellen

Perhaps the problem begins by assuming that  there is such  a thing as 
"the 
blind," uniformly using choosing and personifying a single individual.
There will be people who find the upgrade very wonderful for them, there 
will be, are clearly, individuals who do not.
that has zero to do with blindness and 100% to do with individuality.  A 
fine thing thank you very much, its what makes  us  human and uniquely 
interesting at a party.
I have a slightly silly but very sincere question...perhaps best addressed 
to Sir. Tim off list.

Consider it to be rhetorical.
If you have a device that meets most of our needs, allowing you to compute 
as you desire, why would you decide to upgrade to something that might not 
meet your needs in the same way? and without being sure in advance you 
will not lose ground?   Especially since, as I understand it, 
downgrades are well rather a challenge?
I am forthright about my alternative dictionary.  still because I prefer a 
steady reliable and firm tool...say like a hammer or screwdriver, I do not 
personally decide I need to change my entire computer foundation unless 
there are things I can no longer do with that foundation.
Speaking  only for myself, which frankly goes for humans in general, I 
find this a more practical way to keep things on target professionally.
The so called the blind should take what they are handed concept refers to 
a nonexistent hypothetical entity that is totally interchangeable...at last 
count having 400 million pairs of feet.  if that 
does not sound like you, make your own computer choices.

Just my far from the insider take,
Kare


On Sat, 25 Oct 2014, Cheree Heppe wrote:


What happens if we can't use more and more while sending fix requests?  Didn't 
someone say a while back that the blind aren't a buying majority and should 
gratefully accept what we are handed?

Sent from my IPhone 4S

On 25 Oct 2014, at 15:03, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

Hi. Well said Tim. Nothing good will come if we're not reasonable. For example, 
when I received the first public beta of Yosemite, for some reason Text Edit 
wouldn't open any files ending with the .docx extension. I immediately launched 
the Feedback Assistant app and reported this bug to Apple. Another bug that was 
present in the beta, and I don't know if it's still present today, is when 
clicking the lock to make changes in the security tab to allow apps to open 
that haven't been downloaded from the App Store, my choice was ignored after 
the fact I made the change. If that bug is still present today, I won't be 
sitting here moaning to you guys that it's still present and basically bashing 
Apple because let's face it, that would be a waste of mine and your time, and 
might make some people laugh or maybe angry. Instead, I'll be sending an email 
to Apple or if we can still use it even though this isn't a beta, I'll use the 
Feedback Assistant to report the bug.
Another point that Tim made is about Apple's commitment to accessibility. I 
don't think that it has slid at all. In my 4 years that I've used Apple 
products, (4 years on November 3rd), I find accessibility about the same or a 
bit better. First I bought this MacBook, then the iPod Nanno, then the iTouch 
4, the iPhone 4, 4S, and now 5S. All these devices have done pretty much all 
I've wanted them to do. And guess what. My next computer if this white MacBook 
goes down the crapper or if Yosemite will be the last operating system I can 
upgrade to will probably be a MacBook Air because I know Apple products can get 
what I need to be accomplished done. And also like I said in a previous thread, 
PC's and I don't get along. :)

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook


On Oct 25, 2014, at 2:03 PM, Pamela Francis  wrote:

Hi Tim,
Your position is fair. I don't disagree, other thanThe complaints being 
registered   within bothIOS and Yosemite concern the apps that are shipped on 
each  respective product. Do we not have reasonable expectation for the 
same accessibility for the stock apps included within Apple OS be it OS 10 or 
iOS eight?  That's my only question. Thanks much

Pam Francis

On Oct 25, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi Cheri and All,

In my opinion, you have made some inaccurate assertions here.  The quality of 
the voices that you’ve expressed is likely due to your iDevice defaulting back 
to the low quality, non-enhanced version of the voices.  Normal behaviour 
during the update process.  If you download the enhanced version of your 
preferred voice, you’ll find the quality is as good or better than it was in 
iOS 7.  The download can be achieved in the Settings, General Accessibility, 
VoiceOver under the Speech section.  Switching between voices is the same as it 
was in iOS 7 when your Language preferences are included in the Rotor, which is 
also configured in the same area outlined earlier.  Regarding the descriptions 
of Wallpaper etc, I didn’t notice this and it is disappointing from an 
accessibility point of v

transferring music from MBP to iPhone via ITunes

2014-10-25 Thread Jenine Stanley

OK, call me sheltered but I’ve never actually done this before. 

I have several songs I want to transfer from my MBP to my iPhone. How do I do 
this? I want to be able to access them as part of my music.
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



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Re: One More iTunes Library Question

Thanks again for all your help. Things seem to be working just fine now, and I 
was able to erase the applications. I just wonder what will happen when I try 
to use iTunes but forget to plug in my drive.  Until I can get tons if 
iCloud or Dropbox storage, this is a great way to do things, and now I know how 
to move my library around in the future.
> On Oct 23, 2014, at 6:18 PM, Grant Hardy  wrote:
> 
> Sounds correct to me.
> 
> The files in the Mobile Applications folder are simply iOS apps that you can 
> sync to an iDevice rather than having to re-download from the App Store all 
> the time. iTunes treats apps like any other kind of media. So, for example, 
> you could do the following:
> 1. Open iTunes and navigate to the Apps section with CMD+7.
> 2. Select the "My apps" radio button, if it isn't selected already.
> 3. Navigate to the apps grid, select all, and delete. Be sure you really 
> don't want to keep these apps on your computer. iTunes will tell you that the 
> apps will not be deleted from an iOS device that syncs with the computer.
> 4. Now you should be able to safely remove the Mobile Applications folder.
> 
> Please let us know how this goes.
> 
> Grant
> 
> On Oct 21, 2014, at 6:11 PM, Alex Hall  > wrote:
> 
> Thanks. So, to be sure I have the process right:
> 
> 1. Move the entire library to somewhere iTunes can write to (by copying it 
> out of the Time Machine location).
> 2. Open iTunes with the Option key held down, and browse to my newly copied 
> library folder.
> 3. Locate the apps folder from within iTunes and erase the apps. How do I do 
> this?
> 4. I'm now safe to backup, sync, or restore my iOS devices, and all my music 
> should work fine.
> 
> Right? I appreciate the help!
>> On Oct 21, 2014, at 5:21 PM, Grant Hardy > > wrote:
>> 
>> If the applications folder is empty, it can be safely removed. If it is not 
>> empty, I would recommend removing all the apps from within the iTunes UI 
>> first, otherwise all those apps will still show up in your library but 
>> iTunes will not be able to locate them.
>> 
>> As for synchronization and backups, that should not be messed up in any way. 
>> Backups are not stored in your iTunes folder, and may safely be removed at 
>> any time. iTunes will simply do a full backup rather than an incremental one 
>> if it cannot find any previous backups when backing up an iOS device.
>> 
>> Grant
>> 
>> On Oct 20, 2014, at 7:00 AM, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I am about to copy over my old iTunes library, but I have one more question. 
>> I've already synced my iPhone with iTunes a few times. Will this mess up any 
>> syncing moving forward, or restoring encrypted backups, or anything? 
>> Similarly, since I never use them, can I replace or get rid of the Mobile 
>> Applications folder in the old library?
>> 
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Confused about pages . . .

2014-10-25 Thread Christine Grassman

I have never used Pages before, and I cannot for the life of me find the text 
of a document it opened, nor can I quit out of pages. I keep getting an error 
noise, and in the menu, the "quit pages" option is dimmed.
Christine

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“Fetching” delay when selecting “Open in” from the context menu

2014-10-25 Thread Nicholas Parsons

Hi List,

Since upgrading to Yosemite, whenever I navigate to the “Open in” sub-menu of 
the context menu when trying to open a file in a non-default application, 
VoiceOver says “Fetching…”, and there is a second or so delay before the list 
of applications appears. Are others experiencing this? Is it that the list is 
not appearing for a few seconds, or just that VoiceOver isn’t able to detect 
the list? 

I’m using a 21.5" mid 2011 iMac with a 2.7 GHz Intel Core i5 processor, 16 GB 
1333 MHz DDR3 RAM and AMD Radeon HD 6770M 512 MB graphics

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Re: iOs 8.1 performance on iPhone 4S

Situational thinking doesn't build bridges.

Sent from my IPhone 4S

On 25 Oct 2014, at 15:50, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Perhaps the problem begins by assuming that  there is such  a thing as "the 
blind," uniformly using choosing and personifying a single individual.
There will be people who find the upgrade very wonderful for them, there will 
be, are clearly, individuals who do not.
that has zero to do with blindness and 100% to do with individuality.  A fine 
thing thank you very much, its what makes  us  human and uniquely interesting 
at a party.
I have a slightly silly but very sincere question...perhaps best addressed to 
Sir. Tim off list.
Consider it to be rhetorical.
If you have a device that meets most of our needs, allowing you to compute as 
you desire, why would you decide to upgrade to something that might not meet 
your needs in the same way? and without being sure in advance you will not lose 
ground?   Especially since, as I understand it, downgrades are well rather a 
challenge?
I am forthright about my alternative dictionary.  still because I prefer a 
steady reliable and firm tool...say like a hammer or screwdriver, I do not 
personally decide I need to change my entire computer foundation unless there 
are things I can no longer do with that foundation.
Speaking  only for myself, which frankly goes for humans in general, I find 
this a more practical way to keep things on target professionally.
The so called the blind should take what they are handed concept refers to a 
nonexistent hypothetical entity that is totally interchangeable...at last count 
having 400 million pairs of feet.  if that does not sound like you, make your 
own computer choices.
Just my far from the insider take,
Kare

> On Sat, 25 Oct 2014, Cheree Heppe wrote:
> 
> What happens if we can't use more and more while sending fix requests?  
> Didn't someone say a while back that the blind aren't a buying majority and 
> should gratefully accept what we are handed?
> 
> Sent from my IPhone 4S
> 
> On 25 Oct 2014, at 15:03, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hi. Well said Tim. Nothing good will come if we're not reasonable. For 
> example, when I received the first public beta of Yosemite, for some reason 
> Text Edit wouldn't open any files ending with the .docx extension. I 
> immediately launched the Feedback Assistant app and reported this bug to 
> Apple. Another bug that was present in the beta, and I don't know if it's 
> still present today, is when clicking the lock to make changes in the 
> security tab to allow apps to open that haven't been downloaded from the App 
> Store, my choice was ignored after the fact I made the change. If that bug is 
> still present today, I won't be sitting here moaning to you guys that it's 
> still present and basically bashing Apple because let's face it, that would 
> be a waste of mine and your time, and might make some people laugh or maybe 
> angry. Instead, I'll be sending an email to Apple or if we can still use it 
> even though this isn't a beta, I'll use the Feedback Assistant to report the 
> bug.
> Another point that Tim made is about Apple's commitment to accessibility. I 
> don't think that it has slid at all. In my 4 years that I've used Apple 
> products, (4 years on November 3rd), I find accessibility about the same or a 
> bit better. First I bought this MacBook, then the iPod Nanno, then the iTouch 
> 4, the iPhone 4, 4S, and now 5S. All these devices have done pretty much all 
> I've wanted them to do. And guess what. My next computer if this white 
> MacBook goes down the crapper or if Yosemite will be the last operating 
> system I can upgrade to will probably be a MacBook Air because I know Apple 
> products can get what I need to be accomplished done. And also like I said in 
> a previous thread, PC's and I don't get along. :)
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> 
>> On Oct 25, 2014, at 2:03 PM, Pamela Francis  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> Your position is fair. I don't disagree, other thanThe complaints being 
>> registered   within bothIOS and Yosemite concern the apps that are shipped 
>> on each  respective product. Do we not have reasonable expectation for 
>> the same accessibility for the stock apps included within Apple OS be it OS 
>> 10 or iOS eight?  That's my only question. Thanks much
>> 
>> Pam Francis
>> 
>> On Oct 25, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Cheri and All,
>> 
>> In my opinion, you have made some inaccurate assertions here.  The quality 
>> of the voices that you’ve expressed is likely due to your iDevice defaulting 
>> back to the low quality, non-enhanced version of the voices.  Normal 
>> behaviour during the update process.  If you download the enhanced version 
>> of your preferred voice, you’ll find the quality is as good or better than 
>> it was in iOS 7.  The download can be achieved in the Settings, General 
>> Accessibility, VoiceOver under the Speech section.  Switching between voices 
>> is the same as

Re: iOs 8.1 performance on iPhone 4S

2014-10-25 Thread Karen Lewellen


oh sure it does far more than generalizations and projective stereotyping.


On Sat, 25 Oct 2014, Cheree Heppe wrote:


Situational thinking doesn't build bridges.

Sent from my IPhone 4S

On 25 Oct 2014, at 15:50, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Perhaps the problem begins by assuming that  there is such  a thing as "the 
blind," uniformly using choosing and personifying a single individual.
There will be people who find the upgrade very wonderful for them, there will 
be, are clearly, individuals who do not.
that has zero to do with blindness and 100% to do with individuality.  A fine 
thing thank you very much, its what makes  us  human and uniquely interesting 
at a party.
I have a slightly silly but very sincere question...perhaps best addressed to 
Sir. Tim off list.
Consider it to be rhetorical.
If you have a device that meets most of our needs, allowing you to compute as 
you desire, why would you decide to upgrade to something that might not meet 
your needs in the same way? and without being sure in advance you will not lose 
ground?   Especially since, as I understand it, downgrades are well rather a 
challenge?
I am forthright about my alternative dictionary.  still because I prefer a 
steady reliable and firm tool...say like a hammer or screwdriver, I do not 
personally decide I need to change my entire computer foundation unless there 
are things I can no longer do with that foundation.
Speaking  only for myself, which frankly goes for humans in general, I find 
this a more practical way to keep things on target professionally.
The so called the blind should take what they are handed concept refers to a 
nonexistent hypothetical entity that is totally interchangeable...at last count 
having 400 million pairs of feet.  if that does not sound like you, make your 
own computer choices.
Just my far from the insider take,
Kare



On Sat, 25 Oct 2014, Cheree Heppe wrote:

What happens if we can't use more and more while sending fix requests?  Didn't 
someone say a while back that the blind aren't a buying majority and should 
gratefully accept what we are handed?

Sent from my IPhone 4S

On 25 Oct 2014, at 15:03, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

Hi. Well said Tim. Nothing good will come if we're not reasonable. For example, 
when I received the first public beta of Yosemite, for some reason Text Edit 
wouldn't open any files ending with the .docx extension. I immediately launched 
the Feedback Assistant app and reported this bug to Apple. Another bug that was 
present in the beta, and I don't know if it's still present today, is when 
clicking the lock to make changes in the security tab to allow apps to open 
that haven't been downloaded from the App Store, my choice was ignored after 
the fact I made the change. If that bug is still present today, I won't be 
sitting here moaning to you guys that it's still present and basically bashing 
Apple because let's face it, that would be a waste of mine and your time, and 
might make some people laugh or maybe angry. Instead, I'll be sending an email 
to Apple or if we can still use it even though this isn't a beta, I'll use the 
Feedback Assistant to report the bug.
Another point that Tim made is about Apple's commitment to accessibility. I 
don't think that it has slid at all. In my 4 years that I've used Apple 
products, (4 years on November 3rd), I find accessibility about the same or a 
bit better. First I bought this MacBook, then the iPod Nanno, then the iTouch 
4, the iPhone 4, 4S, and now 5S. All these devices have done pretty much all 
I've wanted them to do. And guess what. My next computer if this white MacBook 
goes down the crapper or if Yosemite will be the last operating system I can 
upgrade to will probably be a MacBook Air because I know Apple products can get 
what I need to be accomplished done. And also like I said in a previous thread, 
PC's and I don't get along. :)

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook


On Oct 25, 2014, at 2:03 PM, Pamela Francis  wrote:

Hi Tim,
Your position is fair. I don't disagree, other thanThe complaints being 
registered   within bothIOS and Yosemite concern the apps that are shipped on 
each  respective product. Do we not have reasonable expectation for the 
same accessibility for the stock apps included within Apple OS be it OS 10 or 
iOS eight?  That's my only question. Thanks much

Pam Francis

On Oct 25, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi Cheri and All,

In my opinion, you have made some inaccurate assertions here.  The quality of 
the voices that you’ve expressed is likely due to your iDevice defaulting back 
to the low quality, non-enhanced version of the voices.  Normal behaviour 
during the update process.  If you download the enhanced version of your 
preferred voice, you’ll find the quality is as good or better than it was in 
iOS 7.  The download can be achieved in the Settings, General Accessibility, 
VoiceOver under the Speech section.  Switching between voices is the same as it 
was in iOS 7 when yo

Re: “Fetching” delay when selecting “Open in” from the context menu

I just tried it, and it happened once on an MP3 file, then not again for that 
or a different MP3 file. On a file of a different type, it didn't happen. So, 
after a very quick test, it seems either random, or like it only happens once.
> On Oct 25, 2014, at 9:24 PM, Nicholas Parsons  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
> 
> Since upgrading to Yosemite, whenever I navigate to the “Open in” sub-menu of 
> the context menu when trying to open a file in a non-default application, 
> VoiceOver says “Fetching…”, and there is a second or so delay before the list 
> of applications appears. Are others experiencing this? Is it that the list is 
> not appearing for a few seconds, or just that VoiceOver isn’t able to detect 
> the list? 
> 
> I’m using a 21.5" mid 2011 iMac with a 2.7 GHz Intel Core i5 processor, 16 GB 
> 1333 MHz DDR3 RAM and AMD Radeon HD 6770M 512 MB graphics
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Re: How accessible is the duet 2 sound device.

2014-10-25 Thread Dionipher Herrera

i do have the apogee mic and its so accessible for me. though i haven't tried 
to connect to my moms iphone because i don't have one
> Il giorno 26/ott/2014, alle ore 00:38, Annie Skov Nielsen 
>  ha scritto:
> 
> Hi all.
> 
> I have been looking at some sound devices. I came across the duet 2 from 
> apogee, that can run on both macs and IPad/IPhone. I have looked a little on 
> the IPhone software in simulation mode, and as far as I can tell, it looks 
> rather accessible. Does anyone know how accessible the macsoftware is.
> 
> I have also been looking at the quartet sound device from apogee would there 
> be any differences between duet and quartet when it comes to accessibility.
> 
> Best regards Annie.
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Re: Confused about pages . . .

Hi,

Try using the Window Chooser, VO-f2-f2.  I'll bet that there's the "What's New 
in Pages" dialog there but focus was not initially brought to that 
dialog/window.  Once you locate that dialog/window and close it, you should be 
able to Quit Pages as well.

Later...

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Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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> noise, and in the menu, the "quit pages" option is dimmed.
> Christine
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Still can't use mail after upgrade to Yosemity

2014-10-25 Thread Kristeen Hughes

Hi,
I have written about this before, but basically the mail app is useless. it is 
busy always. I have repaired disk permissions several times. Reboots of the 
machine do not help. I have deleted my account and rebuilt it. I have no 
problems with anything else. I have 16 gig of memory and this Mini runs like a 
dream. It’s just the mail app. I’m frustrated beyond reason. Does anyone have 
any idea what is happening, and what I might do?


Kristeen Hughes
khwi...@gmail.com



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Re: iOs 8.1 performance on iPhone 4S

2014-10-25 Thread venky . 92

So, if im correct, The upgrade to 8.1 (if i do it) will be a one way trip?
Is there any way to downgrade back to 7.1.2?


Sent from my iPhone

> On 26-Oct-2014, at 7:10 am, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> oh sure it does far more than generalizations and projective stereotyping.
> 
> 
>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2014, Cheree Heppe wrote:
>> 
>> Situational thinking doesn't build bridges.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone 4S
>> 
>> On 25 Oct 2014, at 15:50, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>> 
>> Perhaps the problem begins by assuming that  there is such  a thing as "the 
>> blind," uniformly using choosing and personifying a single individual.
>> There will be people who find the upgrade very wonderful for them, there 
>> will be, are clearly, individuals who do not.
>> that has zero to do with blindness and 100% to do with individuality.  A 
>> fine thing thank you very much, its what makes  us  human and uniquely 
>> interesting at a party.
>> I have a slightly silly but very sincere question...perhaps best addressed 
>> to Sir. Tim off list.
>> Consider it to be rhetorical.
>> If you have a device that meets most of our needs, allowing you to compute 
>> as you desire, why would you decide to upgrade to something that might not 
>> meet your needs in the same way? and without being sure in advance you will 
>> not lose ground?   Especially since, as I understand it, downgrades are well 
>> rather a challenge?
>> I am forthright about my alternative dictionary.  still because I prefer a 
>> steady reliable and firm tool...say like a hammer or screwdriver, I do not 
>> personally decide I need to change my entire computer foundation unless 
>> there are things I can no longer do with that foundation.
>> Speaking  only for myself, which frankly goes for humans in general, I find 
>> this a more practical way to keep things on target professionally.
>> The so called the blind should take what they are handed concept refers to a 
>> nonexistent hypothetical entity that is totally interchangeable...at last 
>> count having 400 million pairs of feet.  if that does not sound like you, 
>> make your own computer choices.
>> Just my far from the insider take,
>> Kare
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2014, Cheree Heppe wrote:
>>> 
>>> What happens if we can't use more and more while sending fix requests?  
>>> Didn't someone say a while back that the blind aren't a buying majority and 
>>> should gratefully accept what we are handed?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone 4S
>>> 
>>> On 25 Oct 2014, at 15:03, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi. Well said Tim. Nothing good will come if we're not reasonable. For 
>>> example, when I received the first public beta of Yosemite, for some reason 
>>> Text Edit wouldn't open any files ending with the .docx extension. I 
>>> immediately launched the Feedback Assistant app and reported this bug to 
>>> Apple. Another bug that was present in the beta, and I don't know if it's 
>>> still present today, is when clicking the lock to make changes in the 
>>> security tab to allow apps to open that haven't been downloaded from the 
>>> App Store, my choice was ignored after the fact I made the change. If that 
>>> bug is still present today, I won't be sitting here moaning to you guys 
>>> that it's still present and basically bashing Apple because let's face it, 
>>> that would be a waste of mine and your time, and might make some people 
>>> laugh or maybe angry. Instead, I'll be sending an email to Apple or if we 
>>> can still use it even though this isn't a beta, I'll use the Feedback 
>>> Assistant to report the bug.
>>> Another point that Tim made is about Apple's commitment to accessibility. I 
>>> don't think that it has slid at all. In my 4 years that I've used Apple 
>>> products, (4 years on November 3rd), I find accessibility about the same or 
>>> a bit better. First I bought this MacBook, then the iPod Nanno, then the 
>>> iTouch 4, the iPhone 4, 4S, and now 5S. All these devices have done pretty 
>>> much all I've wanted them to do. And guess what. My next computer if this 
>>> white MacBook goes down the crapper or if Yosemite will be the last 
>>> operating system I can upgrade to will probably be a MacBook Air because I 
>>> know Apple products can get what I need to be accomplished done. And also 
>>> like I said in a previous thread, PC's and I don't get along. :)
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> 
 On Oct 25, 2014, at 2:03 PM, Pamela Francis  wrote:
 
 Hi Tim,
 Your position is fair. I don't disagree, other thanThe complaints being 
 registered   within bothIOS and Yosemite concern the apps that are shipped 
 on each  respective product. Do we not have reasonable expectation for 
 the same accessibility for the stock apps included within Apple OS be it 
 OS 10 or iOS eight?  That's my only question. Thanks much
 
 Pam Francis
 
 On Oct 25, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
 Hi Cheri and All,
 
 In my opinion, you h

Re: “Fetching” delay when selecting “Open in” from the context menu

2014-10-25 Thread Nicholas Parsons

It happens with me regularly. Sometimes the delay is longer than others. I 
wonder if it depends on how recently you’ve opened that type of file in a 
different application, or how many applications you have that can open that 
type of file.

Also, interested in whether anyone with good vision can tell whether the delay 
affects the GUI or just VoiceOver. That will determine whether I report this to 
Apple Accessibility or Apple’s general feedback mechanism.

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Re: “Fetching” delay when selecting “Open in” from the context menu

It happens to me fairly often but I haven't specifically and systematically 
tested it.

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> On Oct 25, 2014, at 8:44 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I just tried it, and it happened once on an MP3 file, then not again for that 
> or a different MP3 file. On a file of a different type, it didn't happen. So, 
> after a very quick test, it seems either random, or like it only happens once.
>> On Oct 25, 2014, at 9:24 PM, Nicholas Parsons > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>> 
>> Since upgrading to Yosemite, whenever I navigate to the “Open in” sub-menu 
>> of the context menu when trying to open a file in a non-default application, 
>> VoiceOver says “Fetching…”, and there is a second or so delay before the 
>> list of applications appears. Are others experiencing this? Is it that the 
>> list is not appearing for a few seconds, or just that VoiceOver isn’t able 
>> to detect the list? 
>> 
>> I’m using a 21.5" mid 2011 iMac with a 2.7 GHz Intel Core i5 processor, 16 
>> GB 1333 MHz DDR3 RAM and AMD Radeon HD 6770M 512 MB graphics
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Re: Still can't use mail after upgrade to Yosemity

Hi,

First, I’d try creating another account on your computer.  Go under System 
Prefs to Users & Groups, click to unlock the preference, then click on the Add 
User button.  After the user has been created, logout of your current user and 
login as the new user.  Try using Mail from within there and see if it behaves 
similarly.  If it works properly, then we’ll have to play with some things in 
your original account, otherwise, there’s something corrupt with your Mail app, 
which is highly unlikely.

Let me know how it goes.

Later..

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Oct 25, 2014, at 9:32 PM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I have written about this before, but basically the mail app is useless. it 
> is busy always. I have repaired disk permissions several times. Reboots of 
> the machine do not help. I have deleted my account and rebuilt it. I have no 
> problems with anything else. I have 16 gig of memory and this Mini runs like 
> a dream. It’s just the mail app. I’m frustrated beyond reason. Does anyone 
> have any idea what is happening, and what I might do?
> 
> 
> Kristeen Hughes
> khwi...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
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Re: iOs 8.1 performance on iPhone 4S

Hi,

In response to Pam’s question from way back in this thread, you’re absolutely 
correct in that there should be a reasonable expectation for accessibility 
within Apple’s stock apps.  Apple has been put to task for this in the past 
prior to iTunes becoming accessible and, with respect to their iWorks apps.  
Huge improvements have been made, but, expressing dissatisfaction with 
accessibility elements being broken, or, desire for improvements to 
accessibility is perfectly fine and reasonable, in my opinion.  The manner in 
which these issues are addressed and communicated is what often concerns me, 
but, again, these are my opinions.

In response to Karen, I can only answer from my own prospective.  In the case 
of iOS 8 and Yosemite, there were some really exciting new features that I felt 
would be useful to me and thus wanted to use in my day to day activities.  
Also, my role and position require me to be current with technology related 
hardware and software.  I’m usually quite adept at tech related things as well, 
so working around the issues or possibly needing to downgrade is not usually a 
problem for me.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Oct 25, 2014, at 4:50 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Perhaps the problem begins by assuming that  there is such  a thing as "the 
> blind," uniformly using choosing and personifying a single individual.
> There will be people who find the upgrade very wonderful for them, there will 
> be, are clearly, individuals who do not.
> that has zero to do with blindness and 100% to do with individuality.  A fine 
> thing thank you very much, its what makes  us  human and uniquely interesting 
> at a party.
> I have a slightly silly but very sincere question...perhaps best addressed to 
> Sir. Tim off list.
> Consider it to be rhetorical.
> If you have a device that meets most of our needs, allowing you to compute as 
> you desire, why would you decide to upgrade to something that might not meet 
> your needs in the same way? and without being sure in advance you will not 
> lose ground?   Especially since, as I understand it, downgrades are well 
> rather a challenge?
> I am forthright about my alternative dictionary.  still because I prefer a 
> steady reliable and firm tool...say like a hammer or screwdriver, I do not 
> personally decide I need to change my entire computer foundation unless there 
> are things I can no longer do with that foundation.
> Speaking  only for myself, which frankly goes for humans in general, I find 
> this a more practical way to keep things on target professionally.
> The so called the blind should take what they are handed concept refers to a 
> nonexistent hypothetical entity that is totally interchangeable...at last 
> count having 400 million pairs of feet.  if that does not sound like you, 
> make your own computer choices.
> Just my far from the insider take,
> Kare
> 
> 
> On Sat, 25 Oct 2014, Cheree Heppe wrote:
> 
>> What happens if we can't use more and more while sending fix requests?  
>> Didn't someone say a while back that the blind aren't a buying majority and 
>> should gratefully accept what we are handed?
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone 4S
>> 
>> On 25 Oct 2014, at 15:03, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi. Well said Tim. Nothing good will come if we're not reasonable. For 
>> example, when I received the first public beta of Yosemite, for some reason 
>> Text Edit wouldn't open any files ending with the .docx extension. I 
>> immediately launched the Feedback Assistant app and reported this bug to 
>> Apple. Another bug that was present in the beta, and I don't know if it's 
>> still present today, is when clicking the lock to make changes in the 
>> security tab to allow apps to open that haven't been downloaded from the App 
>> Store, my choice was ignored after the fact I made the change. If that bug 
>> is still present today, I won't be sitting here moaning to you guys that 
>> it's still present and basically bashing Apple because let's face it, that 
>> would be a waste of mine and your time, and might make some people laugh or 
>> maybe angry. Instead, I'll be sending an email to Apple or if we can still 
>> use it even though this isn't a beta, I'll use the Feedback Assistant to 
>> report the bug.
>> Another point that Tim made is about Apple's commitment to accessibility. I 
>> don't think that it has slid at all. In my 4 years that I've used Apple 
>> products, (4 years on November 3rd), I find accessibility about the same or 
>> a bit better. First I bought this MacBook, then the iPod Nanno, then the 
>> iTouch 4, the iPhone 4, 4S, and now 5S. All these devices have done pretty 
>> much all I've wanted them to do. And guess what. My next computer if this 
>> white MacBook goes down the crapper or if Yosemite will be the last 
>> operating system I can upgrade to will probably be a MacBook Air because I 
>> know Apple products can get what I need to be accomplished done. And also 
>> like I

Re: transferring music from MBP to iPhone via ITunes