Re: Mac OS 10.10 Yosemite system requirements?

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi Alex 
Are you planning to do that public beta thing? Right now while in this message 
I am testing my Braille Edge under Usb because now I have the situation that my 
little Focus 14 sort of works in Bluetooth, doesn't work very well under USB, 
and now I can't have both my Braille Edge 40 and my Focus 14 on the Bluetooth 
list at the same time. What's weird is that is was, until I took the Braille 
Edge off, not on the VoiceOver table but on the System Preferences list. 

Now that I have the Focus 14 working well enough for me to use it under 
Bluetooth for what what I got it for, it looks like I am going to have to use 
the Braille Edge 40 with USB for a while, whether I want to or not. Luckily, it 
is the Braille Edge 40 is working very well writing this message using 
Bluetooth. So, if you do the beta thing, could you see if you can put two 
Braille displays on the Bluetooth list and be able to switch between them? If 
you can't, could somebody please test this? I may decide to do it myself, but 
I'blind need to check with Apple first because I still have that open case on 
my Focus 14. 

Regards, 
Gigi 

On Jun 2, 2014, at 11:08 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> True enough. The thing is, most developers know and will probably still use 
> Objective-C for quite a while to come. I haven't used the Swift language yet, 
> but I don't see how it will help avoid accessibility problems. It may offer 
> slightly faster coding, but that is about it. I'll let you all know if my 
> opinion changes as I get more into Swift, which won't be until Xcode6 comes 
> out.
> On Jun 2, 2014, at 11:56 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>> They have a new language which is called Swift. Seems to eliminate a lot of 
>> the cruft required to get ObjectiveC to do what they want and also 
>> eliminates a number of constructs that were authoring errors. So it sounds 
>> like they are trying to set developers up for success more easily which 
>> should be good for everybody.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 6/2/14, 10:37 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
>>> Hi guys
>>> I just got through listening to the keynote, and I didn't hear anything 
>>> that calls me to say, all know jeepers! I think we're going to be okay 
>>> basically, but, as always, we will probably have some Accessibility 
>>> miseries for a while. If I understand what was said, they wrote a new 
>>> programming language which, if I understand what was going on there, 
>>> they'll be able to figure out problems easier. Do I get that right?
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Gigi
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jun 2, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
 In short, I'm okay at least for the next round.  Can you just imagine how 
 that's going to work out with accessibility?
 
 
 Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
 
 On Jun 2, 2014, at 3:57 PM, Jessica D  wrote:
 
> This page I just found use the system requirements for the next Mac 
> update.
> http://www.businessinsider.com/ios-8-os-x-1010-yosemite-system-requirements-2014-6
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 2, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> 
>> Has anyone found these? I'm wondering if my decrepit 2009 Mac Mini is up 
>> to the task. Actually, it's pretty spry for its age. :) 
>> 
>> Teresa
>> 
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>> too dark to read.”—Groucho Marx
>> 
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Re: Mac OS 10.10 Yosemite system requirements?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hello Eugenia.

Please tell me how you got your Focus Blue working on the Mac Via Blue Tooth as 
I tried it sometime ago and it would not do it and so reported it to the 
accessibility team who were investigating it. Not tried it since. I have the 
Focus Blue 40 and plan to buy the Focus blue 14 next month to use with my I 
phone and sell my Apple Wireless Keyboard as I have two of them.

Kawal.

> On 3 Jun 2014, at 01:47 pm,Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alex 
> Are you planning to do that public beta thing? Right now while in this 
> message I am testing my Braille Edge under Usb because now I have the 
> situation that my little Focus 14 sort of works in Bluetooth, doesn't work 
> very well under USB, and now I can't have both my Braille Edge 40 and my 
> Focus 14 on the Bluetooth list at the same time. What's weird is that is was, 
> until I took the Braille Edge off, not on the VoiceOver table but on the 
> System Preferences list. 
> 
> Now that I have the Focus 14 working well enough for me to use it under 
> Bluetooth for what what I got it for, it looks like I am going to have to use 
> the Braille Edge 40 with USB for a while, whether I want to or not. Luckily, 
> it is the Braille Edge 40 is working very well writing this message using 
> Bluetooth. So, if you do the beta thing, could you see if you can put two 
> Braille displays on the Bluetooth list and be able to switch between them? If 
> you can't, could somebody please test this? I may decide to do it myself, but 
> I'blind need to check with Apple first because I still have that open case on 
> my Focus 14. 
> 
> Regards, 
> Gigi 
> 
>> On Jun 2, 2014, at 11:08 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> True enough. The thing is, most developers know and will probably still use 
>> Objective-C for quite a while to come. I haven't used the Swift language 
>> yet, but I don't see how it will help avoid accessibility problems. It may 
>> offer slightly faster coding, but that is about it. I'll let you all know if 
>> my opinion changes as I get more into Swift, which won't be until Xcode6 
>> comes out.
>>> On Jun 2, 2014, at 11:56 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> They have a new language which is called Swift. Seems to eliminate a lot of 
>>> the cruft required to get ObjectiveC to do what they want and also 
>>> eliminates a number of constructs that were authoring errors. So it sounds 
>>> like they are trying to set developers up for success more easily which 
>>> should be good for everybody.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
 On 6/2/14, 10:37 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
 Hi guys
 I just got through listening to the keynote, and I didn't hear anything 
 that calls me to say, all know jeepers! I think we're going to be okay 
 basically, but, as always, we will probably have some Accessibility 
 miseries for a while. If I understand what was said, they wrote a new 
 programming language which, if I understand what was going on there, 
 they'll be able to figure out problems easier. Do I get that right?
 Sincerely,
 Gigi
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 2, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
 
> In short, I'm okay at least for the next round.  Can you just imagine how 
> that's going to work out with accessibility?
> 
> 
> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
> 
>> On Jun 2, 2014, at 3:57 PM, Jessica D  wrote:
>> 
>> This page I just found use the system requirements for the next Mac 
>> update.
>> http://www.businessinsider.com/ios-8-os-x-1010-yosemite-system-requirements-2014-6
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 2, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>> 
>>> Has anyone found these? I'm wondering if my decrepit 2009 Mac Mini is 
>>> up to the task. Actually, it's pretty spry for its age. :) 
>>> 
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> “Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s 
>>> too dark to read.”—Groucho Marx
>>> 
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braille display question

[Caitlyn and Maggie]

Hi,

So this morning I was happily reading on my brailliant 40 bi and I heard this 
beep beep and then it shut down, or so I thought.  All the cells went blank and 
it looked like it does when it's turned off.

So, I unmuted vo and checked the battery level on the display.  I have 
38percent left.

when I tried to resume using it, it wouldn't repair with my mac.

Anybody else have this happen?

I'll try again later..

Cait

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Re: Mac OS 10.10 Yosemite system requirements?

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi there
It ain't easy! I had to go in for a Genius Bar appointment. Basically, 
voiceover is missing telling you some stuff on the screen, plus it doesn't work 
every time anyway. When you think you've got the Braille display up on the 
screen, tell voiceover to do a search for the word focus. Then you have to 
press return when it's time to do the Perry. Like I said, it doesn't work every 
time. Just keep at it. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hello Eugenia.
> 
> Please tell me how you got your Focus Blue working on the Mac Via Blue Tooth 
> as I tried it sometime ago and it would not do it and so reported it to the 
> accessibility team who were investigating it. Not tried it since. I have the 
> Focus Blue 40 and plan to buy the Focus blue 14 next month to use with my I 
> phone and sell my Apple Wireless Keyboard as I have two of them.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
>> On 3 Jun 2014, at 01:47 pm,Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>> Hi Alex 
>> Are you planning to do that public beta thing? Right now while in this 
>> message I am testing my Braille Edge under Usb because now I have the 
>> situation that my little Focus 14 sort of works in Bluetooth, doesn't work 
>> very well under USB, and now I can't have both my Braille Edge 40 and my 
>> Focus 14 on the Bluetooth list at the same time. What's weird is that is 
>> was, until I took the Braille Edge off, not on the VoiceOver table but on 
>> the System Preferences list. 
>> 
>> Now that I have the Focus 14 working well enough for me to use it under 
>> Bluetooth for what what I got it for, it looks like I am going to have to 
>> use the Braille Edge 40 with USB for a while, whether I want to or not. 
>> Luckily, it is the Braille Edge 40 is working very well writing this message 
>> using Bluetooth. So, if you do the beta thing, could you see if you can put 
>> two Braille displays on the Bluetooth list and be able to switch between 
>> them? If you can't, could somebody please test this? I may decide to do it 
>> myself, but I'blind need to check with Apple first because I still have that 
>> open case on my Focus 14. 
>> 
>> Regards, 
>> Gigi 
>> 
>>> On Jun 2, 2014, at 11:08 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> True enough. The thing is, most developers know and will probably still use 
>>> Objective-C for quite a while to come. I haven't used the Swift language 
>>> yet, but I don't see how it will help avoid accessibility problems. It may 
>>> offer slightly faster coding, but that is about it. I'll let you all know 
>>> if my opinion changes as I get more into Swift, which won't be until Xcode6 
>>> comes out.
 On Jun 2, 2014, at 11:56 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 They have a new language which is called Swift. Seems to eliminate a lot 
 of the cruft required to get ObjectiveC to do what they want and also 
 eliminates a number of constructs that were authoring errors. So it sounds 
 like they are trying to set developers up for success more easily which 
 should be good for everybody.
 
 CB
 
> On 6/2/14, 10:37 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
> Hi guys
> I just got through listening to the keynote, and I didn't hear anything 
> that calls me to say, all know jeepers! I think we're going to be 
> okay basically, but, as always, we will probably have some Accessibility 
> miseries for a while. If I understand what was said, they wrote a new 
> programming language which, if I understand what was going on there, 
> they'll be able to figure out problems easier. Do I get that right?
> Sincerely,
> Gigi
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 2, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> In short, I'm okay at least for the next round.  Can you just imagine 
>> how that's going to work out with accessibility?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the 
>> blind built-in!
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>> 
>>> On Jun 2, 2014, at 3:57 PM, Jessica D  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This page I just found use the system requirements for the next Mac 
>>> update.
>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/ios-8-os-x-1010-yosemite-system-requirements-2014-6
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jun 2, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>>> 
 Has anyone found these? I'm wondering if my decrepit 2009 Mac Mini is 
 up to the task. Actually, it's pretty spry for its age. :) 
 
 Teresa
 
 “Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, 
 it’s too dark to read.”—Groucho Marx
 
 
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Yosemite worth it or not?

[Mark Baxter]

I'm seriously busy with family life, and so I've skipped Mavericks.  Running 
the good old dependable mountain kitty, and still mostly purring along.  
However, I feel like I should keep up with the OS upgrades, but is Yosemite 
worth it?  Will I have to spend a whole weekend tinkering to get it right, and 
is accessibility improved, the same or worse?  I haven't even got the latest 
version of Itunes due to what I'm hearing about problems with accessibility.  
I'm a pretty advanced Mac user, but don't want the headache of a weekend spent 
geeking out just to get my E-mail.
Thanks!


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Re: Mac OS 10.10 Yosemite system requirements?

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Most of the issues I find in software seem to fall into two buckets. 
Either the developer used standard controls but failed to label them, or 
they made custom controls and failed to finish the job by making them 
accessible (undiscoverable or unusable). The former is easier to fix, 
the latter can be difficult depending on what kind of crazy UI they 
thought up.


CB

On 6/3/14, 12:08 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
True enough. The thing is, most developers know and will probably 
still use Objective-C for quite a while to come. I haven't used the 
Swift language yet, but I don't see how it will help avoid 
accessibility problems. It may offer slightly faster coding, but that 
is about it. I'll let you all know if my opinion changes as I get more 
into Swift, which won't be until Xcode6 comes out.
On Jun 2, 2014, at 11:56 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


They have a new language which is called Swift. Seems to eliminate a 
lot of the cruft required to get ObjectiveC to do what they want and 
also eliminates a number of constructs that were authoring errors. So 
it sounds like they are trying to set developers up for success more 
easily which should be good for everybody.


CB

On 6/2/14, 10:37 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

Hi guys
I just got through listening to the keynote, and I didn't hear 
anything that calls me to say, all know jeepers! I think we're going 
to be okay basically, but, as always, we will probably have some 
Accessibility miseries for a while. If I understand what was said, 
they wrote a new programming language which, if I understand what 
was going on there, they'll be able to figure out problems easier. 
Do I get that right?

Sincerely,
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 2, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Ray Foret Jr > wrote:


In short, I'm okay at least for the next round.  Can you just 
imagine how that's going to work out with accessibility?



Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the 
blind built-in!


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 
user!


On Jun 2, 2014, at 3:57 PM, Jessica D > wrote:


This page I just found use the system requirements for the next 
Mac update.

http://www.businessinsider.com/ios-8-os-x-1010-yosemite-system-requirements-2014-6

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 2, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Teresa Cochran > wrote:


Has anyone found these? I'm wondering if my decrepit 2009 Mac 
Mini is up to the task. Actually, it's pretty spry for its age. :)


Teresa

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Re: Yosemite worth it or not?

[Buddy Brannan]

You're really not going to know until this fall. Unless, of course, you care to 
participate in the beta program, which it sounds like you would not. Especially 
being as the first beta was only just released to developers, no one can make a 
fair commentary on your questions yet anyhow.
On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Mark Baxter  wrote:

> I'm seriously busy with family life, and so I've skipped Mavericks.  Running 
> the good old dependable mountain kitty, and still mostly purring along.  
> However, I feel like I should keep up with the OS upgrades, but is Yosemite 
> worth it?  Will I have to spend a whole weekend tinkering to get it right, 
> and is accessibility improved, the same or worse?  I haven't even got the 
> latest version of Itunes due to what I'm hearing about problems with 
> accessibility.  I'm a pretty advanced Mac user, but don't want the headache 
> of a weekend spent geeking out just to get my E-mail.
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> * Mark BurningHawk Baxter
> * AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
> * MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
> * My home page:
> * http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
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Re: How to go for a holiday and stop mail

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Might be a way via email commands but here is what I wrote to a similar 
question on May 21st:


You can fiddle with your account settings by going to groups.google.com 
and find the signin link near the top of the page. Use your email 
address and password to get in. Once you're in find and open up the 
MacVisionaries group and then find the My Settings popup button. When 
you action that there will be a few choices. You want the "My membership 
and email settings for this group". In there you'll find a popup button 
which has choices to not send email updates, combine multiple messages 
into one email and other settings. Make your choices and then find the 
Save button.


CB

On 6/3/14, 12:11 AM, Agent086b wrote:

Hello,
I am going away in July & August for a mother holiday. So I don't have the same 
problems re-joining the 2 google lists I am a member of.
How do I set a vacation mode? Groups that use the Mailman program there is an 
easy way to go nomail.
Sorry for all this traffic.
Max



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Re: Yosemite worth it or not?

[Mark Baxter]

Heh. See how out of the loop I am?  Guess I'll just bail on Mavericks.  I 
totally missed the WWDC yesterday and only saw a blurb about a new iPhone on 
the news this morning on my way by.  My iPhone 5 is currently down and going in 
for repair (something about moisture damage through the Otterbox docking 
station port, blah blah blah) so  Yeah.


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which lap top

[Marianne Denning]

I need to purchase a MacBook.  The person who will use it has no
vision.  The one thing that is important is a key board with the
numeric key pad on the key board.  I have a MacBook Air and it does
not have this.  Do any of the MacBook pro computers have this?

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Re: which lap top

[isaac]

I am not sure if all mac book pros have this but you can purchase a number pad 
separately. 
isaac
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> I need to purchase a MacBook.  The person who will use it has no
> vision.  The one thing that is important is a key board with the
> numeric key pad on the key board.  I have a MacBook Air and it does
> not have this.  Do any of the MacBook pro computers have this?
> 
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Re: which lap top

[Feliciano G]

Why not call apple? May get all general questions answered there more 
accurately.

  Regards, Feliciano

Sent from the Super-iPhone

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> 
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> not have this.  Do any of the MacBook pro computers have this?
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Re: Mac OS 10.10 Yosemite system requirements?

[Alex Hall]

I am, but I am waiting on my code. Apple is emailing all non-developers a 
download code they will use to grab Yosemite, and mine has not come yet.

Unfortunately, I don't have two displays to work with, only my poor, neglected 
Apex.
On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:30 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Hi there
> It ain't easy! I had to go in for a Genius Bar appointment. Basically, 
> voiceover is missing telling you some stuff on the screen, plus it doesn't 
> work every time anyway. When you think you've got the Braille display up on 
> the screen, tell voiceover to do a search for the word focus. Then you have 
> to press return when it's time to do the Perry. Like I said, it doesn't work 
> every time. Just keep at it. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Eugenia.
>> 
>> Please tell me how you got your Focus Blue working on the Mac Via Blue Tooth 
>> as I tried it sometime ago and it would not do it and so reported it to the 
>> accessibility team who were investigating it. Not tried it since. I have the 
>> Focus Blue 40 and plan to buy the Focus blue 14 next month to use with my I 
>> phone and sell my Apple Wireless Keyboard as I have two of them.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On 3 Jun 2014, at 01:47 pm,Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>> Hi Alex 
>>> Are you planning to do that public beta thing? Right now while in this 
>>> message I am testing my Braille Edge under Usb because now I have the 
>>> situation that my little Focus 14 sort of works in Bluetooth, doesn't work 
>>> very well under USB, and now I can't have both my Braille Edge 40 and my 
>>> Focus 14 on the Bluetooth list at the same time. What's weird is that is 
>>> was, until I took the Braille Edge off, not on the VoiceOver table but on 
>>> the System Preferences list. 
>>> 
>>> Now that I have the Focus 14 working well enough for me to use it under 
>>> Bluetooth for what what I got it for, it looks like I am going to have to 
>>> use the Braille Edge 40 with USB for a while, whether I want to or not. 
>>> Luckily, it is the Braille Edge 40 is working very well writing this 
>>> message using Bluetooth. So, if you do the beta thing, could you see if you 
>>> can put two Braille displays on the Bluetooth list and be able to switch 
>>> between them? If you can't, could somebody please test this? I may decide 
>>> to do it myself, but I'blind need to check with Apple first because I still 
>>> have that open case on my Focus 14. 
>>> 
>>> Regards, 
>>> Gigi 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 2, 2014, at 11:08 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 True enough. The thing is, most developers know and will probably still 
 use Objective-C for quite a while to come. I haven't used the Swift 
 language yet, but I don't see how it will help avoid accessibility 
 problems. It may offer slightly faster coding, but that is about it. I'll 
 let you all know if my opinion changes as I get more into Swift, which 
 won't be until Xcode6 comes out.
 On Jun 2, 2014, at 11:56 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
> They have a new language which is called Swift. Seems to eliminate a lot 
> of the cruft required to get ObjectiveC to do what they want and also 
> eliminates a number of constructs that were authoring errors. So it 
> sounds like they are trying to set developers up for success more easily 
> which should be good for everybody.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 6/2/14, 10:37 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
>> Hi guys
>> I just got through listening to the keynote, and I didn't hear anything 
>> that calls me to say, all know jeepers! I think we're going to be okay 
>> basically, but, as always, we will probably have some Accessibility 
>> miseries for a while. If I understand what was said, they wrote a new 
>> programming language which, if I understand what was going on there, 
>> they'll be able to figure out problems easier. Do I get that right?
>> Sincerely,
>> Gigi
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 2, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>>> In short, I'm okay at least for the next round.  Can you just imagine 
>>> how that's going to work out with accessibility?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the 
>>> blind built-in!
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>>> 
>>> On Jun 2, 2014, at 3:57 PM, Jessica D  wrote:
>>> 
 This page I just found use the system requirements for the next Mac 
 update.
 http://www.businessinsider.com/ios-8-os-x-1010-yosemite-system-requirements-2014-6
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 2, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
 
> Has anyone found these? I'm wondering if my decrepit 2009 Mac Mini is 
> up to the task. Actually, it's pretty spry for its age.

Re: which lap top

[Alex Hall]

None do, to my knowledge, at least not the modern machines. As others have 
said, you can purchase a USB or bluetooth numpad, or a full-sized keyboard that 
includes a numpad.
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> numeric key pad on the key board.  I have a MacBook Air and it does
> not have this.  Do any of the MacBook pro computers have this?
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Re: Yosemite worth it or not?

[Alex Hall]

I wrote a summary of all the announcements for www.applevis.com, it should be 
right on the homepage. That way you can catch up without spending two hours 
listening to the Keynote.

Yosemite is only just out in beta and will be released as a free upgrade this 
fall. One major area addressed in the Keynote was Mail; they have added some 
fancy new features, but they also stated that they had worked hard to make Mail 
more stable and faster. Given all the problems in Mavericks, and that Mail got 
its own spot in the Keynote, I really feel like it will be a solid app when it 
comes out. Only time will tell, though, so watch this list in the fall for the 
comments from early adopters. Some of us will be doing beta testing, but of 
course we can't say anything, only report the bugs and hope for the best.
On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Mark Baxter  wrote:

> Heh. See how out of the loop I am?  Guess I'll just bail on Mavericks.  I 
> totally missed the WWDC yesterday and only saw a blurb about a new iPhone on 
> the news this morning on my way by.  My iPhone 5 is currently down and going 
> in for repair (something about moisture damage through the Otterbox docking 
> station port, blah blah blah) so  Yeah.
> 
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Re: which lap top

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

No, none of the Mac Laptop models have a built-in NumPad.  There's just not 
enough space for one.  Your options are to use a external USB or Bluetooth 
NumPad or to use an external extended keyboard either USB or Bluetooth.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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> None do, to my knowledge, at least not the modern machines. As others have 
> said, you can purchase a USB or bluetooth numpad, or a full-sized keyboard 
> that includes a numpad.
> On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Marianne Denning  wrote:
> 
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>> vision.  The one thing that is important is a key board with the
>> numeric key pad on the key board.  I have a MacBook Air and it does
>> not have this.  Do any of the MacBook pro computers have this?
>> 
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Re: which lap top

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

I don't recall Apple ever making a laptop with a numeric keypad. I like 
full size keyboards so when I'm not laptoping in some random location I 
have a USB full-size keyboard with real pageup/down, home, end and 
numeric keypad. As others have mentioned, there are lots of external 
numeric keypads as well both USB and Bluetooth. Older Macbooks had an 
option to set up the main keyboard as a numeric keypad with 7 8 9 as 7 8 
9 followed by u i o for 4 5 6 and j k l for 123 etc. but that option was 
taken away (why?) but 3rd party extension will bring it back. Here is 
one that lets you use the fn key to do the numeric keyboard, or another 
key combo to do a 'num lock':


https://pqrs.org/macosx/keyremap4macbook/index.html

CB

On 6/3/14, 10:00 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
None do, to my knowledge, at least not the modern machines. As others 
have said, you can purchase a USB or bluetooth numpad, or a full-sized 
keyboard that includes a numpad.
On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Marianne Denning > wrote:



I need to purchase a MacBook.  The person who will use it has no
vision.  The one thing that is important is a key board with the
numeric key pad on the key board.  I have a MacBook Air and it does
not have this.  Do any of the MacBook pro computers have this?

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Re: Yosemite worth it or not?

[Ray Foret Jr]

IF I had to go just on the promised feature set alone, I'd say it will be worth 
it.  The continuity it will offer between the iPhone and Mac with respect to 
documents, messenger, e-mail and contacts, and yes, phone calls to will, in my 
view, make it something to be eagerly anticipated.  When you consider the fact 
that with Yosemite you will be able to answer phone calls using your Mac, and 
make them as well, I'd say it will be worth it.


Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Buddy Brannan  wrote:

> You're really not going to know until this fall. Unless, of course, you care 
> to participate in the beta program, which it sounds like you would not. 
> Especially being as the first beta was only just released to developers, no 
> one can make a fair commentary on your questions yet anyhow.
> On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Mark Baxter  wrote:
> 
>> I'm seriously busy with family life, and so I've skipped Mavericks.  Running 
>> the good old dependable mountain kitty, and still mostly purring along.  
>> However, I feel like I should keep up with the OS upgrades, but is Yosemite 
>> worth it?  Will I have to spend a whole weekend tinkering to get it right, 
>> and is accessibility improved, the same or worse?  I haven't even got the 
>> latest version of Itunes due to what I'm hearing about problems with 
>> accessibility.  I'm a pretty advanced Mac user, but don't want the headache 
>> of a weekend spent geeking out just to get my E-mail.
>> Thanks!
>> 
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Re: Yosemite worth it or not?

[Mark Baxter]

Thanks Alex, Ray and Isaac.  I avoided Mavericks a lot because of the Gmail 
hassles people were having, yes.  I'll check out Applevis.


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Re: Yosemite worth it or not?

[isaac]

I would have to say it is worth it as well. 
After here about mails new features it is worth it.
isaac
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 Skype gold_wildcat 

On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:31 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> IF I had to go just on the promised feature set alone, I'd say it will be 
> worth it.  The continuity it will offer between the iPhone and Mac with 
> respect to documents, messenger, e-mail and contacts, and yes, phone calls to 
> will, in my view, make it something to be eagerly anticipated.  When you 
> consider the fact that with Yosemite you will be able to answer phone calls 
> using your Mac, and make them as well, I'd say it will be worth it.
> 
> 
> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
> 
> On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Buddy Brannan  wrote:
> 
>> You're really not going to know until this fall. Unless, of course, you care 
>> to participate in the beta program, which it sounds like you would not. 
>> Especially being as the first beta was only just released to developers, no 
>> one can make a fair commentary on your questions yet anyhow.
>> On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Mark Baxter  wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm seriously busy with family life, and so I've skipped Mavericks.  
>>> Running the good old dependable mountain kitty, and still mostly purring 
>>> along.  However, I feel like I should keep up with the OS upgrades, but is 
>>> Yosemite worth it?  Will I have to spend a whole weekend tinkering to get 
>>> it right, and is accessibility improved, the same or worse?  I haven't even 
>>> got the latest version of Itunes due to what I'm hearing about problems 
>>> with accessibility.  I'm a pretty advanced Mac user, but don't want the 
>>> headache of a weekend spent geeking out just to get my E-mail.
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> * Mark BurningHawk Baxter
>>> * AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
>>> * MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
>>> * My home page:
>>> * http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
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RE: which lap top

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi, 

 

Just food for thought. Unless one purchases a 17 inch PC laptop, a numpad is
not included in the keyboard layout on the PC side either. (Maybe OT).
Hence, I have to use a USB external numpad. Because I have Win8 installed in
bootcamp, I have plugged in a full USB keyboard, with a numpad. When I need
to use it on the Mac side, one needs to remember that the ALT key is the
option key (Mac), and the Windows key is the command key on the Mac side. I
do miss not having a dedicated home/end key on the Mac Air's keyboard. I can
access the beginning and the end of a sentence, but navigating with more
advance options have never worked out for me with the native Mac Air
keyboard. JMO. May be I just don't know all the tricks of the trade yet.
*Smile*

 

Best, 

Eileen 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 7:16 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: which lap top

 

Hi,

 

No, none of the Mac Laptop models have a built-in NumPad.  There's just not
enough space for one.  Your options are to use a external USB or Bluetooth
NumPad or to use an external extended keyboard either USB or Bluetooth.

 

HTH.

 

Later.

 

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada 

 

On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:00 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:





None do, to my knowledge, at least not the modern machines. As others have
said, you can purchase a USB or bluetooth numpad, or a full-sized keyboard
that includes a numpad.

On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Marianne Denning 
wrote:





I need to purchase a MacBook.  The person who will use it has no
vision.  The one thing that is important is a key board with the
numeric key pad on the key board.  I have a MacBook Air and it does
not have this.  Do any of the MacBook pro computers have this?

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Re: which lap top

[Marianne Denning]

Thanks for the info.  The full size key board may be my option here.

On 6/3/14, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Just food for thought. Unless one purchases a 17 inch PC laptop, a numpad
> is
> not included in the keyboard layout on the PC side either. (Maybe OT).
> Hence, I have to use a USB external numpad. Because I have Win8 installed
> in
> bootcamp, I have plugged in a full USB keyboard, with a numpad. When I need
> to use it on the Mac side, one needs to remember that the ALT key is the
> option key (Mac), and the Windows key is the command key on the Mac side. I
> do miss not having a dedicated home/end key on the Mac Air's keyboard. I
> can
> access the beginning and the end of a sentence, but navigating with more
> advance options have never worked out for me with the native Mac Air
> keyboard. JMO. May be I just don't know all the tricks of the trade yet.
> *Smile*
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Eileen
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
> Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 7:16 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: which lap top
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> No, none of the Mac Laptop models have a built-in NumPad.  There's just not
> enough space for one.  Your options are to use a external USB or Bluetooth
> NumPad or to use an external extended keyboard either USB or Bluetooth.
>
>
>
> HTH.
>
>
>
> Later.
>
>
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
>
>
> On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:00 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> None do, to my knowledge, at least not the modern machines. As others have
> said, you can purchase a USB or bluetooth numpad, or a full-sized keyboard
> that includes a numpad.
>
> On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Marianne Denning 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I need to purchase a MacBook.  The person who will use it has no
> vision.  The one thing that is important is a key board with the
> numeric key pad on the key board.  I have a MacBook Air and it does
> not have this.  Do any of the MacBook pro computers have this?
>
> --
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> (513) 607-6053
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Re: which lap top

[Tim Kilburn]

hi,

Regarding the Home and End keys on an MBA, these do exist.  Press the FN key in 
the lower left-hand corner along with the left arrow for Home and with the 
right arrow for End.  You may wish to use the Keyboard Practice mode, VO-k, to 
learn some of these tricks, press the Escape key to leave that mode.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:46 AM, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:

> Hi,
>  
> Just food for thought. Unless one purchases a 17 inch PC laptop, a numpad is 
> not included in the keyboard layout on the PC side either. (Maybe OT). Hence, 
> I have to use a USB external numpad. Because I have Win8 installed in 
> bootcamp, I have plugged in a full USB keyboard, with a numpad. When I need 
> to use it on the Mac side, one needs to remember that the ALT key is the 
> option key (Mac), and the Windows key is the command key on the Mac side. I 
> do miss not having a dedicated home/end key on the Mac Air's keyboard. I can 
> access the beginning and the end of a sentence, but navigating with more 
> advance options have never worked out for me with the native Mac Air 
> keyboard. JMO. May be I just don't know all the tricks of the trade yet. 
> *Smile*
>  
> Best,
> Eileen
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
> Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 7:16 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: which lap top
>  
> Hi,
>  
> No, none of the Mac Laptop models have a built-in NumPad.  There's just not 
> enough space for one.  Your options are to use a external USB or Bluetooth 
> NumPad or to use an external extended keyboard either USB or Bluetooth.
>  
> HTH.
>  
> Later...
>  
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>  
> On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:00 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> 
> None do, to my knowledge, at least not the modern machines. As others have 
> said, you can purchase a USB or bluetooth numpad, or a full-sized keyboard 
> that includes a numpad.
> On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Marianne Denning  wrote:
> 
> 
> I need to purchase a MacBook.  The person who will use it has no
> vision.  The one thing that is important is a key board with the
> numeric key pad on the key board.  I have a MacBook Air and it does
> not have this.  Do any of the MacBook pro computers have this?
> 
> -- 
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> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
> (513) 607-6053
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RE: Mac OS 10.10 Yosemite system requirements?

[BBS]

Hey Alex. Can you send the link again to sign up for public betas? I wouldn’t 
mind playing with OS 10.10. I wonder if we’ll be getting more voices. I 
certainly hope that we can use the Siri voices that are on the iPhone on the 
Mac. That would be so cool.

 

 

Shawn

Sent From My White MacBook

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 8:59 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.10 Yosemite system requirements?

 

I am, but I am waiting on my code. Apple is emailing all non-developers a 
download code they will use to grab Yosemite, and mine has not come yet.

 

Unfortunately, I don't have two displays to work with, only my poor, neglected 
Apex.

On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:30 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:





Hi there
It ain't easy! I had to go in for a Genius Bar appointment. Basically, 
voiceover is missing telling you some stuff on the screen, plus it doesn't work 
every time anyway. When you think you've got the Braille display up on the 
screen, tell voiceover to do a search for the word focus. Then you have to 
press return when it's time to do the Perry. Like I said, it doesn't work every 
time. Just keep at it. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

Hello Eugenia.

 

Please tell me how you got your Focus Blue working on the Mac Via Blue Tooth as 
I tried it sometime ago and it would not do it and so reported it to the 
accessibility team who were investigating it. Not tried it since. I have the 
Focus Blue 40 and plan to buy the Focus blue 14 next month to use with my I 
phone and sell my Apple Wireless Keyboard as I have two of them.

 

Kawal.


On 3 Jun 2014, at 01:47 pm,Eugenia Firth  wrote:

Hi Alex 

Are you planning to do that public beta thing? Right now while in this message 
I am testing my Braille Edge under Usb because now I have the situation that my 
little Focus 14 sort of works in Bluetooth, doesn't work very well under USB, 
and now I can't have both my Braille Edge 40 and my Focus 14 on the Bluetooth 
list at the same time. What's weird is that is was, until I took the Braille 
Edge off, not on the VoiceOver table but on the System Preferences list. 

 

Now that I have the Focus 14 working well enough for me to use it under 
Bluetooth for what what I got it for, it looks like I am going to have to use 
the Braille Edge 40 with USB for a while, whether I want to or not. Luckily, it 
is the Braille Edge 40 is working very well writing this message using 
Bluetooth. So, if you do the beta thing, could you see if you can put two 
Braille displays on the Bluetooth list and be able to switch between them? If 
you can't, could somebody please test this? I may decide to do it myself, but 
I'blind need to check with Apple first because I still have that open case on 
my Focus 14. 

 

Regards, 

Gigi 

 

On Jun 2, 2014, at 11:08 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:





True enough. The thing is, most developers know and will probably still use 
Objective-C for quite a while to come. I haven't used the Swift language yet, 
but I don't see how it will help avoid accessibility problems. It may offer 
slightly faster coding, but that is about it. I'll let you all know if my 
opinion changes as I get more into Swift, which won't be until Xcode6 comes out.

On Jun 2, 2014, at 11:56 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:





They have a new language which is called Swift. Seems to eliminate a lot of the 
cruft required to get ObjectiveC to do what they want and also eliminates a 
number of constructs that were authoring errors. So it sounds like they are 
trying to set developers up for success more easily which should be good for 
everybody.

CB

On 6/2/14, 10:37 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

Hi guys
I just got through listening to the keynote, and I didn't hear anything that 
calls me to say, all know jeepers! I think we're going to be okay basically, 
but, as always, we will probably have some Accessibility miseries for a while. 
If I understand what was said, they wrote a new programming language which, if 
I understand what was going on there, they'll be able to figure out problems 
easier. Do I get that right?
Sincerely,
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 2, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

In short, I'm okay at least for the next round.  Can you just imagine how 
that's going to work out with accessibility? 

 

 

Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

 

On Jun 2, 2014, at 3:57 PM, Jessica D  wrote:





This page I just found use the system requirements for the next Mac update.

http://www.businessinsider.com/ios-8-os-x-1010-yosemite-system-requirements-2014-6

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 2, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

Has anyone found these? I'm wondering if my decrepit 2009 Mac Mini is up t

Re: Mac OS 10.10 Yosemite system requirements?

[Alex Hall]

Sure:
http://appleseed.apple.com
On Jun 3, 2014, at 11:01 AM, BBS  wrote:

> Hey Alex. Can you send the link again to sign up for public betas? I wouldn’t 
> mind playing with OS 10.10. I wonder if we’ll be getting more voices. I 
> certainly hope that we can use the Siri voices that are on the iPhone on the 
> Mac. That would be so cool.
>  
>  
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 8:59 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.10 Yosemite system requirements?
>  
> I am, but I am waiting on my code. Apple is emailing all non-developers a 
> download code they will use to grab Yosemite, and mine has not come yet.
>  
> Unfortunately, I don't have two displays to work with, only my poor, 
> neglected Apex.
> On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:30 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi there
> It ain't easy! I had to go in for a Genius Bar appointment. Basically, 
> voiceover is missing telling you some stuff on the screen, plus it doesn't 
> work every time anyway. When you think you've got the Braille display up on 
> the screen, tell voiceover to do a search for the word focus. Then you have 
> to press return when it's time to do the Perry. Like I said, it doesn't work 
> every time. Just keep at it. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hello Eugenia.
>  
> Please tell me how you got your Focus Blue working on the Mac Via Blue Tooth 
> as I tried it sometime ago and it would not do it and so reported it to the 
> accessibility team who were investigating it. Not tried it since. I have the 
> Focus Blue 40 and plan to buy the Focus blue 14 next month to use with my I 
> phone and sell my Apple Wireless Keyboard as I have two of them.
>  
> Kawal.
> 
> On 3 Jun 2014, at 01:47 pm,Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> Hi Alex 
> Are you planning to do that public beta thing? Right now while in this 
> message I am testing my Braille Edge under Usb because now I have the 
> situation that my little Focus 14 sort of works in Bluetooth, doesn't work 
> very well under USB, and now I can't have both my Braille Edge 40 and my 
> Focus 14 on the Bluetooth list at the same time. What's weird is that is was, 
> until I took the Braille Edge off, not on the VoiceOver table but on the 
> System Preferences list. 
>  
> Now that I have the Focus 14 working well enough for me to use it under 
> Bluetooth for what what I got it for, it looks like I am going to have to use 
> the Braille Edge 40 with USB for a while, whether I want to or not. Luckily, 
> it is the Braille Edge 40 is working very well writing this message using 
> Bluetooth. So, if you do the beta thing, could you see if you can put two 
> Braille displays on the Bluetooth list and be able to switch between them? If 
> you can't, could somebody please test this? I may decide to do it myself, but 
> I'blind need to check with Apple first because I still have that open case on 
> my Focus 14. 
>  
> Regards, 
> Gigi 
>  
> On Jun 2, 2014, at 11:08 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> 
> True enough. The thing is, most developers know and will probably still use 
> Objective-C for quite a while to come. I haven't used the Swift language yet, 
> but I don't see how it will help avoid accessibility problems. It may offer 
> slightly faster coding, but that is about it. I'll let you all know if my 
> opinion changes as I get more into Swift, which won't be until Xcode6 comes 
> out.
> On Jun 2, 2014, at 11:56 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> They have a new language which is called Swift. Seems to eliminate a lot of 
> the cruft required to get ObjectiveC to do what they want and also eliminates 
> a number of constructs that were authoring errors. So it sounds like they are 
> trying to set developers up for success more easily which should be good for 
> everybody.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 6/2/14, 10:37 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
> Hi guys
> I just got through listening to the keynote, and I didn't hear anything that 
> calls me to say, all know jeepers! I think we're going to be okay basically, 
> but, as always, we will probably have some Accessibility miseries for a 
> while. If I understand what was said, they wrote a new programming language 
> which, if I understand what was going on there, they'll be able to figure out 
> problems easier. Do I get that right?
> Sincerely,
> Gigi
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 2, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> In short, I'm okay at least for the next round.  Can you just imagine how 
> that's going to work out with accessibility?
>  
>  
> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>  
> On Jun 2, 2014, at 3:57 PM, Jessica D  wrote:
> 
> 
> This page I just found use the system requi

Re: Mac OS 10.10 Yosemite system requirements?

[Teresa Cochran]

I suddenly discovered a pairing workaround one day. I set the sounds to 'on" in 
VO. When the pairing dialog comes up, it flashes a window, which makes a sound. 
As soon as I hear that sound, I turn my display off, which keeps the window in 
focus for some odd reason. Then I find the edit field to put the pin in and 
press enter. (The pin, for Focus 40 Blue, anyway, is , by the way.) then I 
turn the display back on. If you don't turn the display off the first time the 
pairing window comes up, the window keeps flashing in and out of focus.

Hth,
teresa

“Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s too 
dark to read.”—Groucho Marx

On Jun 3, 2014, at 6:30 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Hi there
> It ain't easy! I had to go in for a Genius Bar appointment. Basically, 
> voiceover is missing telling you some stuff on the screen, plus it doesn't 
> work every time anyway. When you think you've got the Braille display up on 
> the screen, tell voiceover to do a search for the word focus. Then you have 
> to press return when it's time to do the Perry. Like I said, it doesn't work 
> every time. Just keep at it. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Eugenia.
>> 
>> Please tell me how you got your Focus Blue working on the Mac Via Blue Tooth 
>> as I tried it sometime ago and it would not do it and so reported it to the 
>> accessibility team who were investigating it. Not tried it since. I have the 
>> Focus Blue 40 and plan to buy the Focus blue 14 next month to use with my I 
>> phone and sell my Apple Wireless Keyboard as I have two of them.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On 3 Jun 2014, at 01:47 pm,Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>> Hi Alex 
>>> Are you planning to do that public beta thing? Right now while in this 
>>> message I am testing my Braille Edge under Usb because now I have the 
>>> situation that my little Focus 14 sort of works in Bluetooth, doesn't work 
>>> very well under USB, and now I can't have both my Braille Edge 40 and my 
>>> Focus 14 on the Bluetooth list at the same time. What's weird is that is 
>>> was, until I took the Braille Edge off, not on the VoiceOver table but on 
>>> the System Preferences list. 
>>> 
>>> Now that I have the Focus 14 working well enough for me to use it under 
>>> Bluetooth for what what I got it for, it looks like I am going to have to 
>>> use the Braille Edge 40 with USB for a while, whether I want to or not. 
>>> Luckily, it is the Braille Edge 40 is working very well writing this 
>>> message using Bluetooth. So, if you do the beta thing, could you see if you 
>>> can put two Braille displays on the Bluetooth list and be able to switch 
>>> between them? If you can't, could somebody please test this? I may decide 
>>> to do it myself, but I'blind need to check with Apple first because I still 
>>> have that open case on my Focus 14. 
>>> 
>>> Regards, 
>>> Gigi 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 2, 2014, at 11:08 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 True enough. The thing is, most developers know and will probably still 
 use Objective-C for quite a while to come. I haven't used the Swift 
 language yet, but I don't see how it will help avoid accessibility 
 problems. It may offer slightly faster coding, but that is about it. I'll 
 let you all know if my opinion changes as I get more into Swift, which 
 won't be until Xcode6 comes out.
 On Jun 2, 2014, at 11:56 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
> They have a new language which is called Swift. Seems to eliminate a lot 
> of the cruft required to get ObjectiveC to do what they want and also 
> eliminates a number of constructs that were authoring errors. So it 
> sounds like they are trying to set developers up for success more easily 
> which should be good for everybody.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 6/2/14, 10:37 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
>> Hi guys
>> I just got through listening to the keynote, and I didn't hear anything 
>> that calls me to say, all know jeepers! I think we're going to be okay 
>> basically, but, as always, we will probably have some Accessibility 
>> miseries for a while. If I understand what was said, they wrote a new 
>> programming language which, if I understand what was going on there, 
>> they'll be able to figure out problems easier. Do I get that right?
>> Sincerely,
>> Gigi
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 2, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>>> In short, I'm okay at least for the next round.  Can you just imagine 
>>> how that's going to work out with accessibility?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the 
>>> blind built-in!
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>>> 
>>> On Jun 2, 2014, at 3:57 PM, Jessica D  wrote:
>>> 
 This pa

Re: braille display question

[erik]

Hi Cait.
Did you go into the menu on the brailliant and check the connection setting?
It should be set to auto.

Best

Erik


Sent from my android device.

-Original Message-
From: Caitlyn and Maggie 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 6:04 AM
Subject: braille display question

Hi,

So this morning I was happily reading on my brailliant 40 bi and I heard this 
beep beep and then it shut down, or so I thought.  All the cells went blank and 
it looked like it does when it's turned off.

So, I unmuted vo and checked the battery level on the display.  I have 
38percent left.

when I tried to resume using it, it wouldn't repair with my mac.

Anybody else have this happen?

I'll try again later..

Cait

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RE: Mac OS 10.10 Yosemite system requirements?

[BBS]

Hi Alex. When I went to sign in with my Apple ID and password on the website, I 
got a page saying that my session has expired. Is it because I’m trying to do 
this with Windows?

 

 

Shawn

Sent From My White MacBook

 

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On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 10:22 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.10 Yosemite system requirements?

 

Sure:

http://appleseed.apple.com

On Jun 3, 2014, at 11:01 AM, BBS  wrote:





Hey Alex. Can you send the link again to sign up for public betas? I wouldn’t 
mind playing with OS 10.10. I wonder if we’ll be getting more voices. I 
certainly hope that we can use the Siri voices that are on the iPhone on the 
Mac. That would be so cool.

 

 

Shawn

Sent From My White MacBook

 

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On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 8:59 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.10 Yosemite system requirements?

 

I am, but I am waiting on my code. Apple is emailing all non-developers a 
download code they will use to grab Yosemite, and mine has not come yet.

 

Unfortunately, I don't have two displays to work with, only my poor, neglected 
Apex.

On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:30 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:






Hi there
It ain't easy! I had to go in for a Genius Bar appointment. Basically, 
voiceover is missing telling you some stuff on the screen, plus it doesn't work 
every time anyway. When you think you've got the Braille display up on the 
screen, tell voiceover to do a search for the word focus. Then you have to 
press return when it's time to do the Perry. Like I said, it doesn't work every 
time. Just keep at it. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

Hello Eugenia.

 

Please tell me how you got your Focus Blue working on the Mac Via Blue Tooth as 
I tried it sometime ago and it would not do it and so reported it to the 
accessibility team who were investigating it. Not tried it since. I have the 
Focus Blue 40 and plan to buy the Focus blue 14 next month to use with my I 
phone and sell my Apple Wireless Keyboard as I have two of them.

 

Kawal.


On 3 Jun 2014, at 01:47 pm,Eugenia Firth  wrote:

Hi Alex 

Are you planning to do that public beta thing? Right now while in this message 
I am testing my Braille Edge under Usb because now I have the situation that my 
little Focus 14 sort of works in Bluetooth, doesn't work very well under USB, 
and now I can't have both my Braille Edge 40 and my Focus 14 on the Bluetooth 
list at the same time. What's weird is that is was, until I took the Braille 
Edge off, not on the VoiceOver table but on the System Preferences list. 

 

Now that I have the Focus 14 working well enough for me to use it under 
Bluetooth for what what I got it for, it looks like I am going to have to use 
the Braille Edge 40 with USB for a while, whether I want to or not. Luckily, it 
is the Braille Edge 40 is working very well writing this message using 
Bluetooth. So, if you do the beta thing, could you see if you can put two 
Braille displays on the Bluetooth list and be able to switch between them? If 
you can't, could somebody please test this? I may decide to do it myself, but 
I'blind need to check with Apple first because I still have that open case on 
my Focus 14. 

 

Regards, 

Gigi 

 

On Jun 2, 2014, at 11:08 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:






True enough. The thing is, most developers know and will probably still use 
Objective-C for quite a while to come. I haven't used the Swift language yet, 
but I don't see how it will help avoid accessibility problems. It may offer 
slightly faster coding, but that is about it. I'll let you all know if my 
opinion changes as I get more into Swift, which won't be until Xcode6 comes out.

On Jun 2, 2014, at 11:56 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:






They have a new language which is called Swift. Seems to eliminate a lot of the 
cruft required to get ObjectiveC to do what they want and also eliminates a 
number of constructs that were authoring errors. So it sounds like they are 
trying to set developers up for success more easily which should be good for 
everybody.

CB

On 6/2/14, 10:37 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

Hi guys
I just got through listening to the keynote, and I didn't hear anything that 
calls me to say, all know jeepers! I think we're going to be okay basically, 
but, as always, we will probably have some Accessibility miseries for a while. 
If I understand what was said, they wrote a new programming language which, if 
I understand what was going on there, they'll be able to figure out problems 
easier. Do I get that right?
Sincerely,
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 2, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

In short, I'm okay at least for the next round.  Can you just imagine how 
that's going to work out with accessibilit

Re: braille display question

[Les Kriegler]

Kate, I've had this happen when the battery level got down to about 10 or 11%, 
but not at 38.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:04 AM, Caitlyn and Maggie  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> So this morning I was happily reading on my brailliant 40 bi and I heard this 
> beep beep and then it shut down, or so I thought.  All the cells went blank 
> and it looked like it does when it's turned off.
> 
> So, I unmuted vo and checked the battery level on the display.  I have 
> 38percent left.
> 
> when I tried to resume using it, it wouldn't repair with my mac.
> 
> Anybody else have this happen?
> 
> I'll try again later..
> 
> Cait
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How Accessible Would Getting to A Second OS X "test"Partition Be?

[Teresa Cochran]

I was reading on Ars Technica about creating a test partition to try Yosemite 
beta. My question is: how accessible would the boot process be? Would I have to 
count arrow-key presses or some such similar thing?

thanks,
Teresa

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Re: Yosemite worth it or not?

[Cheryl Homiak]

I upgraded one of my computers to Mavericks and left one on Mountain Lion, 
partly because brltty still isn't fully functional for me in Mavericks. But 
after listening to the keynote, I am sure I will have to upgrade everything to 
Yosemite when it is released.

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> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! 
> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
> His joy for my despairing tears! 
> And now, every day:
> "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope:
> The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases;
> his mercies never come to an end;
> they are new every morning;
> great is your faithfulness."
> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)


> On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:31 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> IF I had to go just on the promised feature set alone, I'd say it will be 
> worth it.  The continuity it will offer between the iPhone and Mac with 
> respect to documents, messenger, e-mail and contacts, and yes, phone calls to 
> will, in my view, make it something to be eagerly anticipated.  When you 
> consider the fact that with Yosemite you will be able to answer phone calls 
> using your Mac, and make them as well, I'd say it will be worth it.
> 
> 
> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Buddy Brannan  wrote:
>> 
>> You're really not going to know until this fall. Unless, of course, you care 
>> to participate in the beta program, which it sounds like you would not. 
>> Especially being as the first beta was only just released to developers, no 
>> one can make a fair commentary on your questions yet anyhow.
>>> On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Mark Baxter  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm seriously busy with family life, and so I've skipped Mavericks.  
>>> Running the good old dependable mountain kitty, and still mostly purring 
>>> along.  However, I feel like I should keep up with the OS upgrades, but is 
>>> Yosemite worth it?  Will I have to spend a whole weekend tinkering to get 
>>> it right, and is accessibility improved, the same or worse?  I haven't even 
>>> got the latest version of Itunes due to what I'm hearing about problems 
>>> with accessibility.  I'm a pretty advanced Mac user, but don't want the 
>>> headache of a weekend spent geeking out just to get my E-mail.
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> * Mark BurningHawk Baxter
>>> * AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
>>> * MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
>>> * My home page:
>>> * http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
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Re: How Accessible Would Getting to A Second OS X "test"Partition Be?

[Teresa Cochran]

A follow-up thought I had was that if I want to switch partitions, could I go 
into the recovery partition and choose one as the startup? This at least would 
be accessible with VO.

Teresa

"The golden age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete graham

On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:19 AM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> I was reading on Ars Technica about creating a test partition to try Yosemite 
> beta. My question is: how accessible would the boot process be? Would I have 
> to count arrow-key presses or some such similar thing?
> 
> thanks,
>   Teresa
> 
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> dark to read."--Groucho Marx
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Re: How Accessible Would Getting to A Second OS X "test"Partition Be?

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

While I haven't tried it, you should be able to partition your drive to 
appear as two separate disks with disk utility. Depending on how full 
the current drive is you might be able to shrink the existing partition 
enough to make room for Yosemite. Then you would install Yosemite on 
that new drive. As far as switching startup drives, you should be able 
to do that by going to System Preferences and picking which drive to 
start from and then reboot. While you can also do this by holding down 
the option key while booting, I suspect that way is not accessible since 
there won't be an OS running yet to host voiceover.


CB

On 6/3/14, 12:40 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
A follow-up thought I had was that if I want to switch partitions, 
could I go into the recovery partition and choose one as the startup? 
This at least would be accessible with VO.


Teresa

"The golden age of science fiction is twelve."---Pete graham

On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:19 AM, Teresa Cochran > wrote:


I was reading on Ars Technica about creating a test partition to try 
Yosemite beta. My question is: how accessible would the boot process 
be? Would I have to count arrow-key presses or some such similar thing?


thanks,
Teresa

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it's too dark to read."---Groucho Marx



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Re: How Accessible Would Getting to A Second OS X "test"Partition Be?

[Teresa Cochran]

Thanks, Chris. Yes, I had that concern about the option-key method as well. The 
startup-disk option in Disk Utility sounds like a workable method.

Thanks,
teresa

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On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:48 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

> While I haven't tried it, you should be able to partition your drive to 
> appear as two separate disks with disk utility. Depending on how full the 
> current drive is you might be able to shrink the existing partition enough to 
> make room for Yosemite. Then you would install Yosemite on that new drive. As 
> far as switching startup drives, you should be able to do that by going to 
> System Preferences and picking which drive to start from and then reboot. 
> While you can also do this by holding down the option key while booting, I 
> suspect that way is not accessible since there won't be an OS running yet to 
> host voiceover.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 6/3/14, 12:40 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>> A follow-up thought I had was that if I want to switch partitions, could I 
>> go into the recovery partition and choose one as the startup? This at least 
>> would be accessible with VO.
>> 
>> Teresa
>> 
>> “The golden age of science fiction is twelve.”—Pete graham
>> 
>> On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:19 AM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>> 
>>> I was reading on Ars Technica about creating a test partition to try 
>>> Yosemite beta. My question is: how accessible would the boot process be? 
>>> Would I have to count arrow-key presses or some such similar thing?
>>> 
>>> thanks,
>>> 
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> “Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s too 
>>> dark to read.”—Groucho Marx
>>> 
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RE: which lap top

[Tristan]

Some more food for thought is that you can use a program like
KeyRemap4MacBook and PCKeyboard Hack to give yourself a numpad by using the
FN keys. This also gives you a more familiar layout for Windows virtual
machines if you're so inclined to use something like that.

Applevis has a podcast about KeyRemap4MacBook, I believe.

 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 10:55 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: which lap top

 

hi,

 

Regarding the Home and End keys on an MBA, these do exist.  Press the FN key
in the lower left-hand corner along with the left arrow for Home and with
the right arrow for End.  You may wish to use the Keyboard Practice mode,
VO-k, to learn some of these tricks, press the Escape key to leave that
mode.

 

Later.

 

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada 

 

On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:46 AM, Eileen Misrahi mailto:eileen.misr...@gmail.com> > wrote:





Hi,

 

Just food for thought. Unless one purchases a 17 inch PC laptop, a numpad is
not included in the keyboard layout on the PC side either. (Maybe OT).
Hence, I have to use a USB external numpad. Because I have Win8 installed in
bootcamp, I have plugged in a full USB keyboard, with a numpad. When I need
to use it on the Mac side, one needs to remember that the ALT key is the
option key (Mac), and the Windows key is the command key on the Mac side. I
do miss not having a dedicated home/end key on the Mac Air's keyboard. I can
access the beginning and the end of a sentence, but navigating with more
advance options have never worked out for me with the native Mac Air
keyboard. JMO. May be I just don't know all the tricks of the trade yet.
*Smile*

 

Best,

Eileen

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mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 7:16 AM
To:  
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: which lap top

 

Hi,

 

No, none of the Mac Laptop models have a built-in NumPad.  There's just not
enough space for one.  Your options are to use a external USB or Bluetooth
NumPad or to use an external extended keyboard either USB or Bluetooth.

 

HTH.

 

Later.

 

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 

On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:00 AM, Alex Hall < 
mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:






None do, to my knowledge, at least not the modern machines. As others have
said, you can purchase a USB or bluetooth numpad, or a full-sized keyboard
that includes a numpad.

On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Marianne Denning <
 maria...@denningweb.com> wrote:






I need to purchase a MacBook.  The person who will use it has no
vision.  The one thing that is important is a key board with the
numeric key pad on the key board.  I have a MacBook Air and it does
not have this.  Do any of the MacBook pro computers have this?

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Re: Reading Documents

[Chris Moore]

Phil,
I don't seem to have the line ending service on my Mavericks system.  Do you 
know where I can get it?

Chris

On May 20, 2014, at 11:35 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:

> I did a little checking and found that you can enable certain text services 
> that will convert line endings to and from Mac/Unix/Windows among other 
> interesting things. I enabled the line ending services and tried them out on 
> a text file created in windows. Everywhere there was a blank line in the 
> file, VO would say "return, new line". I selected the entire file and used 
> the Macintosh lines ending service and it changed the blank lines from saying 
> "return, new line" to only saying "return".
> Again, this applies to blank lines between paragraphs. Where there is no 
> blank line between paragraphs, there is no line ending words like return or 
> new line spoken.
> 
> 
> And, this only applies when reading the file manually by line or paragraph. 
> "return, new line"  is not spoken  when reading the entire document with the 
> VO-A command.
> 
> services are enabled in system preferences under the "shortcuts" tab. Select  
> "services" in the category, table, and "text" in the services table. Then 
> check the checkbox for the services you want to appear in the services menu 
> in your various text processing apps like pages or text edit.
> 
> 
> On May 20, 2014, at 4:07 AM, Tristan  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>>  
>> I believe I have discovered my problem, though I am unsure of a quick fix 
>> (besides some alterations via terminal).  Windows and Mac OS X use very 
>> different linefeeds at the end. Windows uses a carriage return, whilst Mac 
>> simply uses a linefeed character. These files were most likely created on a 
>> Windows computer, thus they are encoded for viewing on a Windows operating 
>> system.
>> Running some commands via terminal to convert them from dos to unix format 
>> was successful, and the problem with VO saying 'new line' and 'return' seems 
>> to have disappeared.
>> Running this on every one of these files could be very time consuming and 
>> irritating at the very least, however. Does anyone have experience with 
>> converting the linebreaks on these sorts of files to OS X format?
>>  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Maria and Joe Chapman
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 3:37 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Reading Documents
>>  
>> HI.
>>  
>> I believe text  express will keep your place.
>>  
>> I hope this helps 
>> Cheers 
>> Maria  
>>  
>> Produced on macbook probubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>>  
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> On 20 May 2014, at 3:00 am, Tristan  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>>  
>> I've been told this is possible, but haven't exactly determined how. I have 
>> several articles, documents and books in simple document formats (.txt, rtf, 
>> etc). Whenever I read these in TextEdit/Pages, every time a grammatical or 
>> spelling error is discovered, VO interrupts the reading flow to make that 
>> known. Also, every time a new paragraph begins, or there are blank lines, it 
>> says "return" or "new line". This is extremely ideal for editing or word 
>> processing, but not for reading something without annoying and unnecessary 
>> interruptions.
>>  
>> Is  there an app that would be optimal for reading long texts, such as 
>> textbooks or articles? It seems iBooks is still largely inaccessible even 
>> with the 10.9.3 update. Alternatively, can I turn these announcements off in 
>> the Voice Over Utility?
>>  
>> Thanks in advance
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RE: Reading Documents

[Tristan]

http://www.devontechnologies.com/products/freeware.html

 

Do a vo+f and search for "WordService" on the webpage. Download that and
install it with the included readme.

 

HTH

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Moore
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:50 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Reading Documents

 

Phil,

I don't seem to have the line ending service on my Mavericks system.  Do you
know where I can get it?

 

Chris

 

On May 20, 2014, at 11:35 AM, Phil Halton mailto:philh...@gmail.com> > wrote:





I did a little checking and found that you can enable certain text services
that will convert line endings to and from Mac/Unix/Windows among other
interesting things. I enabled the line ending services and tried them out on
a text file created in windows. Everywhere there was a blank line in the
file, VO would say "return, new line". I selected the entire file and used
the Macintosh lines ending service and it changed the blank lines from
saying "return, new line" to only saying "return".

Again, this applies to blank lines between paragraphs. Where there is no
blank line between paragraphs, there is no line ending words like return or
new line spoken.

 

 

And, this only applies when reading the file manually by line or paragraph.
"return, new line"  is not spoken  when reading the entire document with the
VO-A command.

 

services are enabled in system preferences under the "shortcuts" tab. Select
"services" in the category, table, and "text" in the services table. Then
check the checkbox for the services you want to appear in the services menu
in your various text processing apps like pages or text edit.

 

 

On May 20, 2014, at 4:07 AM, Tristan mailto:theblinddj...@gmail.com> > wrote:





Hi,

 

I believe I have discovered my problem, though I am unsure of a quick fix
(besides some alterations via terminal).  Windows and Mac OS X use very
different linefeeds at the end. Windows uses a carriage return, whilst Mac
simply uses a linefeed character. These files were most likely created on a
Windows computer, thus they are encoded for viewing on a Windows operating
system.

Running some commands via terminal to convert them from dos to unix format
was successful, and the problem with VO saying 'new line' and 'return' seems
to have disappeared.

Running this on every one of these files could be very time consuming and
irritating at the very least, however. Does anyone have experience with
converting the linebreaks on these sorts of files to OS X format?

 

 

From:  
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [ 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Maria and Joe Chapman
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 3:37 AM
To:  
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Reading Documents

 

HI.

 

I believe text  express will keep your place.

 

I hope this helps 

Cheers 

Maria  

 

Produced on macbook pro 
bubbygirl1...@gmail.com

 

 

 

On 20 May 2014, at 3:00 am, Tristan < 
theblinddj...@gmail.com> wrote:






Hi,

 

I've been told this is possible, but haven't exactly determined how. I have
several articles, documents and books in simple document formats (.txt, rtf,
etc). Whenever I read these in TextEdit/Pages, every time a grammatical or
spelling error is discovered, VO interrupts the reading flow to make that
known. Also, every time a new paragraph begins, or there are blank lines, it
says "return" or "new line". This is extremely ideal for editing or word
processing, but not for reading something without annoying and unnecessary
interruptions.

 

Is  there an app that would be optimal for reading long texts, such as
textbooks or articles? It seems iBooks is still largely inaccessible even
with the 10.9.3 update. Alternatively, can I turn these announcements off in
the Voice Over Utility?

 

Thanks in advance

 

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Re: Mac OS 10.10 Yosemite system requirements?

[Alex Hall]

Probably. I've never tried it from Windows, but that may be the problem.
On Jun 3, 2014, at 11:38 AM, BBS  wrote:

> Hi Alex. When I went to sign in with my Apple ID and password on the website, 
> I got a page saying that my session has expired. Is it because I’m trying to 
> do this with Windows?
>  
>  
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 10:22 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.10 Yosemite system requirements?
>  
> Sure:
> http://appleseed.apple.com
> On Jun 3, 2014, at 11:01 AM, BBS  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hey Alex. Can you send the link again to sign up for public betas? I wouldn’t 
> mind playing with OS 10.10. I wonder if we’ll be getting more voices. I 
> certainly hope that we can use the Siri voices that are on the iPhone on the 
> Mac. That would be so cool.
>  
>  
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 8:59 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.10 Yosemite system requirements?
>  
> I am, but I am waiting on my code. Apple is emailing all non-developers a 
> download code they will use to grab Yosemite, and mine has not come yet.
>  
> Unfortunately, I don't have two displays to work with, only my poor, 
> neglected Apex.
> On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:30 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi there
> It ain't easy! I had to go in for a Genius Bar appointment. Basically, 
> voiceover is missing telling you some stuff on the screen, plus it doesn't 
> work every time anyway. When you think you've got the Braille display up on 
> the screen, tell voiceover to do a search for the word focus. Then you have 
> to press return when it's time to do the Perry. Like I said, it doesn't work 
> every time. Just keep at it. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hello Eugenia.
>  
> Please tell me how you got your Focus Blue working on the Mac Via Blue Tooth 
> as I tried it sometime ago and it would not do it and so reported it to the 
> accessibility team who were investigating it. Not tried it since. I have the 
> Focus Blue 40 and plan to buy the Focus blue 14 next month to use with my I 
> phone and sell my Apple Wireless Keyboard as I have two of them.
>  
> Kawal.
> 
> On 3 Jun 2014, at 01:47 pm,Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> Hi Alex 
> Are you planning to do that public beta thing? Right now while in this 
> message I am testing my Braille Edge under Usb because now I have the 
> situation that my little Focus 14 sort of works in Bluetooth, doesn't work 
> very well under USB, and now I can't have both my Braille Edge 40 and my 
> Focus 14 on the Bluetooth list at the same time. What's weird is that is was, 
> until I took the Braille Edge off, not on the VoiceOver table but on the 
> System Preferences list. 
>  
> Now that I have the Focus 14 working well enough for me to use it under 
> Bluetooth for what what I got it for, it looks like I am going to have to use 
> the Braille Edge 40 with USB for a while, whether I want to or not. Luckily, 
> it is the Braille Edge 40 is working very well writing this message using 
> Bluetooth. So, if you do the beta thing, could you see if you can put two 
> Braille displays on the Bluetooth list and be able to switch between them? If 
> you can't, could somebody please test this? I may decide to do it myself, but 
> I'blind need to check with Apple first because I still have that open case on 
> my Focus 14. 
>  
> Regards, 
> Gigi 
>  
> On Jun 2, 2014, at 11:08 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> True enough. The thing is, most developers know and will probably still use 
> Objective-C for quite a while to come. I haven't used the Swift language yet, 
> but I don't see how it will help avoid accessibility problems. It may offer 
> slightly faster coding, but that is about it. I'll let you all know if my 
> opinion changes as I get more into Swift, which won't be until Xcode6 comes 
> out.
> On Jun 2, 2014, at 11:56 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> They have a new language which is called Swift. Seems to eliminate a lot of 
> the cruft required to get ObjectiveC to do what they want and also eliminates 
> a number of constructs that were authoring errors. So it sounds like they are 
> trying to set developers up for success more easily which should be good for 
> everybody.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 6/2/14, 10:37 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
> Hi guys
> I just got through listening to the keynote, and I didn't hear anything that 
> calls me to say, all know jeepers! I think we're going to be okay basically, 
> but, as always, we will probably have some Accessibility miseries for a 
> while. If I understand what was said, they wrote a new programming language 
> which, if I understa

Re: How Accessible Would Getting to A Second OS X "test"Partition Be?

[Alex Hall]

I do the startup disk option all the time, and it works perfectly. I even set 
up a hotkey, cmd-option-comma, to open System Preferences because I found 
myself in there a lot. I'm sure some sort of Applescript could make the process 
even simpler, but this works for now.
On Jun 3, 2014, at 12:56 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Thanks, Chris. Yes, I had that concern about the option-key method as well. 
> The startup-disk option in Disk Utility sounds like a workable method.
> 
> Thanks,
> teresa
> 
> “Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough.”—Richard P. 
> Feynman
> 
> On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:48 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>> While I haven't tried it, you should be able to partition your drive to 
>> appear as two separate disks with disk utility. Depending on how full the 
>> current drive is you might be able to shrink the existing partition enough 
>> to make room for Yosemite. Then you would install Yosemite on that new 
>> drive. As far as switching startup drives, you should be able to do that by 
>> going to System Preferences and picking which drive to start from and then 
>> reboot. While you can also do this by holding down the option key while 
>> booting, I suspect that way is not accessible since there won't be an OS 
>> running yet to host voiceover.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 6/3/14, 12:40 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>>> A follow-up thought I had was that if I want to switch partitions, could I 
>>> go into the recovery partition and choose one as the startup? This at least 
>>> would be accessible with VO.
>>> 
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> “The golden age of science fiction is twelve.”—Pete graham
>>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:19 AM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>>> 
 I was reading on Ars Technica about creating a test partition to try 
 Yosemite beta. My question is: how accessible would the boot process be? 
 Would I have to count arrow-key presses or some such similar thing?
 
 thanks,
 
 Teresa
 
 “Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s 
 too dark to read.”—Groucho Marx
 
 
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mavericks spotlight troubles

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hi all,
I'm not following much the list since I'm mostly on the iPhone.
IS there a way to navigate spotlight with VO that does not pop up the preview 
window?
I get stuck in that window and can't find a way to continue scrolling through 
the other search results.

THanks for your help and sorry if this has. Been discussed before.

Best,
Ioana 



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RE: Mac OS 10.10 Yosemite system requirements?

[BBS]

Yep, that was the problem. I switched back to the Mac and was able to sign up 
for the public beta with no problems. Can’t wait to try it out.

 

 

Shawn

Sent From My White MacBook

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.10 Yosemite system requirements?

 

Probably. I've never tried it from Windows, but that may be the problem.

On Jun 3, 2014, at 11:38 AM, BBS  wrote:





Hi Alex. When I went to sign in with my Apple ID and password on the website, I 
got a page saying that my session has expired. Is it because I’m trying to do 
this with Windows?

 

 

Shawn

Sent From My White MacBook

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 10:22 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.10 Yosemite system requirements?

 

Sure:

http://appleseed.apple.com  

On Jun 3, 2014, at 11:01 AM, BBS  wrote:






Hey Alex. Can you send the link again to sign up for public betas? I wouldn’t 
mind playing with OS 10.10. I wonder if we’ll be getting more voices. I 
certainly hope that we can use the Siri voices that are on the iPhone on the 
Mac. That would be so cool.

 

 

Shawn

Sent From My White MacBook

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 8:59 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.10 Yosemite system requirements?

 

I am, but I am waiting on my code. Apple is emailing all non-developers a 
download code they will use to grab Yosemite, and mine has not come yet.

 

Unfortunately, I don't have two displays to work with, only my poor, neglected 
Apex.

On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:30 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:







Hi there
It ain't easy! I had to go in for a Genius Bar appointment. Basically, 
voiceover is missing telling you some stuff on the screen, plus it doesn't work 
every time anyway. When you think you've got the Braille display up on the 
screen, tell voiceover to do a search for the word focus. Then you have to 
press return when it's time to do the Perry. Like I said, it doesn't work every 
time. Just keep at it. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

Hello Eugenia.

 

Please tell me how you got your Focus Blue working on the Mac Via Blue Tooth as 
I tried it sometime ago and it would not do it and so reported it to the 
accessibility team who were investigating it. Not tried it since. I have the 
Focus Blue 40 and plan to buy the Focus blue 14 next month to use with my I 
phone and sell my Apple Wireless Keyboard as I have two of them.

 

Kawal.


On 3 Jun 2014, at 01:47 pm,Eugenia Firth  wrote:

Hi Alex 

Are you planning to do that public beta thing? Right now while in this message 
I am testing my Braille Edge under Usb because now I have the situation that my 
little Focus 14 sort of works in Bluetooth, doesn't work very well under USB, 
and now I can't have both my Braille Edge 40 and my Focus 14 on the Bluetooth 
list at the same time. What's weird is that is was, until I took the Braille 
Edge off, not on the VoiceOver table but on the System Preferences list. 

 

Now that I have the Focus 14 working well enough for me to use it under 
Bluetooth for what what I got it for, it looks like I am going to have to use 
the Braille Edge 40 with USB for a while, whether I want to or not. Luckily, it 
is the Braille Edge 40 is working very well writing this message using 
Bluetooth. So, if you do the beta thing, could you see if you can put two 
Braille displays on the Bluetooth list and be able to switch between them? If 
you can't, could somebody please test this? I may decide to do it myself, but 
I'blind need to check with Apple first because I still have that open case on 
my Focus 14. 

 

Regards, 

Gigi 

 

On Jun 2, 2014, at 11:08 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:







True enough. The thing is, most developers know and will probably still use 
Objective-C for quite a while to come. I haven't used the Swift language yet, 
but I don't see how it will help avoid accessibility problems. It may offer 
slightly faster coding, but that is about it. I'll let you all know if my 
opinion changes as I get more into Swift, which won't be until Xcode6 comes out.

On Jun 2, 2014, at 11:56 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:







They have a new language which is called Swift. Seems to eliminate a lot of the 
cruft required to get ObjectiveC to do what they want and also eliminates a 
number of constructs that were authoring errors. So it sounds like they are 
trying to set developers up for success more easily which should be good for 
everybody.

CB

On 6/2/14, 10:37 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

Hi guys
I just got through listening to the keynote, and I

Re: Mac OS 10.10 Yosemite system requirements?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I never get to ask to enter a pin when in pairing mode using the Mac.
On 3 Jun 2014, at 20:58, BBS  wrote:

> Yep, that was the problem. I switched back to the Mac and was able to sign up 
> for the public beta with no problems. Can’t wait to try it out.
>  
>  
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:11 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.10 Yosemite system requirements?
>  
> Probably. I've never tried it from Windows, but that may be the problem.
> On Jun 3, 2014, at 11:38 AM, BBS  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Alex. When I went to sign in with my Apple ID and password on the website, 
> I got a page saying that my session has expired. Is it because I’m trying to 
> do this with Windows?
>  
>  
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 10:22 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.10 Yosemite system requirements?
>  
> Sure:
> http://appleseed.apple.com
> On Jun 3, 2014, at 11:01 AM, BBS  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hey Alex. Can you send the link again to sign up for public betas? I wouldn’t 
> mind playing with OS 10.10. I wonder if we’ll be getting more voices. I 
> certainly hope that we can use the Siri voices that are on the iPhone on the 
> Mac. That would be so cool.
>  
>  
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 8:59 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.10 Yosemite system requirements?
>  
> I am, but I am waiting on my code. Apple is emailing all non-developers a 
> download code they will use to grab Yosemite, and mine has not come yet.
>  
> Unfortunately, I don't have two displays to work with, only my poor, 
> neglected Apex.
> On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:30 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi there
> It ain't easy! I had to go in for a Genius Bar appointment. Basically, 
> voiceover is missing telling you some stuff on the screen, plus it doesn't 
> work every time anyway. When you think you've got the Braille display up on 
> the screen, tell voiceover to do a search for the word focus. Then you have 
> to press return when it's time to do the Perry. Like I said, it doesn't work 
> every time. Just keep at it. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hello Eugenia.
>  
> Please tell me how you got your Focus Blue working on the Mac Via Blue Tooth 
> as I tried it sometime ago and it would not do it and so reported it to the 
> accessibility team who were investigating it. Not tried it since. I have the 
> Focus Blue 40 and plan to buy the Focus blue 14 next month to use with my I 
> phone and sell my Apple Wireless Keyboard as I have two of them.
>  
> Kawal.
> 
> On 3 Jun 2014, at 01:47 pm,Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> Hi Alex 
> Are you planning to do that public beta thing? Right now while in this 
> message I am testing my Braille Edge under Usb because now I have the 
> situation that my little Focus 14 sort of works in Bluetooth, doesn't work 
> very well under USB, and now I can't have both my Braille Edge 40 and my 
> Focus 14 on the Bluetooth list at the same time. What's weird is that is was, 
> until I took the Braille Edge off, not on the VoiceOver table but on the 
> System Preferences list. 
>  
> Now that I have the Focus 14 working well enough for me to use it under 
> Bluetooth for what what I got it for, it looks like I am going to have to use 
> the Braille Edge 40 with USB for a while, whether I want to or not. Luckily, 
> it is the Braille Edge 40 is working very well writing this message using 
> Bluetooth. So, if you do the beta thing, could you see if you can put two 
> Braille displays on the Bluetooth list and be able to switch between them? If 
> you can't, could somebody please test this? I may decide to do it myself, but 
> I'blind need to check with Apple first because I still have that open case on 
> my Focus 14. 
>  
> Regards, 
> Gigi 
>  
> On Jun 2, 2014, at 11:08 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> True enough. The thing is, most developers know and will probably still use 
> Objective-C for quite a while to come. I haven't used the Swift language yet, 
> but I don't see how it will help avoid accessibility problems. It may offer 
> slightly faster coding, but that is about it. I'll let you all know if my 
> opinion changes as I get more into Swift, which won't be until Xcode6 comes 
> out.
> On Jun 2, 2014, at 11:56 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> They have a new language which is called Swift. Seems to eliminate a lot of 
> the cruft required to get ObjectiveC to do what they want and also eliminates 
> a 

What does Yosemite mean?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

One of my questions is in the subject line.

The other question is, how will you be able to make phone calls on the Mac 
using Yosemite when you have no credit or sim card in your Mac?  Will it be to 
any fixed phone line or to just mobiles do you think?

Kawal.

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Re: What does Yosemite mean?

[Karen Lewellen]

are you asking the meaning of the word itself?  Want to be sure before I 
answer,

Karen

On Tue, 3 Jun 2014, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:


One of my questions is in the subject line.

The other question is, how will you be able to make phone calls on the Mac 
using Yosemite when you have no credit or sim card in your Mac?  Will it be to 
any fixed phone line or to just mobiles do you think?

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Re: What does Yosemite mean?

[Alex Hall]

Yosemite is a location in California. Starting with Mavericks, Apple began 
naming new releases of OS X after places in California that enspire the Apple 
team.

Calling is still done through your iPhone. Your Mac essentially becomes a 
really big bluetooth speakerphone, and can display incoming call information. 
It can also make calls through the same mechanism, pushing the phone number 
from itself over to your phone. So, calling strictly from the Mac is still up 
to Skype and FaceTime, but cellular calls are possible if you also own an 
iPhone.
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> One of my questions is in the subject line.
> 
> The other question is, how will you be able to make phone calls on the Mac 
> using Yosemite when you have no credit or sim card in your Mac?  Will it be 
> to any fixed phone line or to just mobiles do you think?
> 
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Re: What does Yosemite mean?

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, Kawal,

Yosemite is a Native American word. It is the name of a national park in 
California in the United States. The next versions of oS X are named after 
famous places in California. The last one, Mavericks, was named after a 
well-known surfing location on the California coast.

The phone calls will be routed through your phone, if you have one. I'm not 
sure if you can initiate one on your Mac and complete it on your device. I 
don't think you'll be able to make a phone call entirely on your Mac. 
admittedly, I don't have an iPhone, so I'm not as familiar with this option as 
others might be.

HtH,
Teresa

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> One of my questions is in the subject line.
> 
> The other question is, how will you be able to make phone calls on the Mac 
> using Yosemite when you have no credit or sim card in your Mac?  Will it be 
> to any fixed phone line or to just mobiles do you think?
> 
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Re: What does Yosemite mean?

[Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona]

any idea how you would manually dial a number to use thephone fature or 
does it have to be with the contact list?


On 6/3/2014 1:46 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
Yosemite is a location in California. Starting with Mavericks, Apple 
began naming new releases of OS X after places in California that 
enspire the Apple team.


Calling is still done through your iPhone. Your Mac essentially 
becomes a really big bluetooth speakerphone, and can display incoming 
call information. It can also make calls through the same mechanism, 
pushing the phone number from itself over to your phone. So, calling 
strictly from the Mac is still up to Skype and FaceTime, but cellular 
calls are possible if you also own an iPhone.
On Jun 3, 2014, at 4:40 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu > wrote:



One of my questions is in the subject line.

The other question is, how will you be able to make phone calls on 
the Mac using Yosemite when you have no credit or sim card in your 
Mac?  Will it be to any fixed phone line or to just mobiles do you think?


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Re: What does Yosemite mean?

[Jessica D]

They managed to dial in number yesterday during the Keynote. I am not sure how 
they did it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2014, at 4:53 PM, "Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona" 
>  wrote:
> 
> any idea how you would manually dial a number to use thephone fature or does 
> it have to be with the contact list?
> 
>> On 6/3/2014 1:46 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> Yosemite is a location in California. Starting with Mavericks, Apple began 
>> naming new releases of OS X after places in California that enspire the 
>> Apple team.
>> 
>> Calling is still done through your iPhone. Your Mac essentially becomes a 
>> really big bluetooth speakerphone, and can display incoming call 
>> information. It can also make calls through the same mechanism, pushing the 
>> phone number from itself over to your phone. So, calling strictly from the 
>> Mac is still up to Skype and FaceTime, but cellular calls are possible if 
>> you also own an iPhone.
>>> On Jun 3, 2014, at 4:40 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> One of my questions is in the subject line.
>>> 
>>> The other question is, how will you be able to make phone calls 
>>> on the Mac using Yosemite when you have no credit or sim card in your Mac?  
>>> Will it be to any fixed phone line or to just mobiles do you think?
>>> 
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Re: What does Yosemite mean?

[Teresa Cochran]

I think it's as Alex says, which makes sense to me. The Mac functions as a 
giant bluetooth speaker phone or headset

Teresa

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On Jun 3, 2014, at 1:53 PM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona 
 wrote:

> any idea how you would manually dial a number to use thephone fature or does 
> it have to be with the contact list?
> 
> On 6/3/2014 1:46 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> Yosemite is a location in California. Starting with Mavericks, Apple began 
>> naming new releases of OS X after places in California that enspire the 
>> Apple team.
>> 
>> Calling is still done through your iPhone. Your Mac essentially becomes a 
>> really big bluetooth speakerphone, and can display incoming call 
>> information. It can also make calls through the same mechanism, pushing the 
>> phone number from itself over to your phone. So, calling strictly from the 
>> Mac is still up to Skype and FaceTime, but cellular calls are possible if 
>> you also own an iPhone.
>> On Jun 3, 2014, at 4:40 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>>> One of my questions is in the subject line.
>>> 
>>> The other question is, how will you be able to make phone calls on the Mac 
>>> using Yosemite when you have no credit or sim card in your Mac?  Will it be 
>>> to any fixed phone line or to just mobiles do you think?
>>> 
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Re: What does Yosemite mean?

[Alex Hall]

They select the number the usual way, then (I think) control-click and tell the 
Mac to call it. I don't know if you can make a phone call to stored contacts, 
but I can't imagine they would leave that out.
On Jun 3, 2014, at 4:57 PM, Jessica D  wrote:

> They managed to dial in number yesterday during the Keynote. I am not sure 
> how they did it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 3, 2014, at 4:53 PM, "Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona" 
>  wrote:
> 
>> any idea how you would manually dial a number to use thephone fature or does 
>> it have to be with the contact list?
>> 
>> On 6/3/2014 1:46 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>>> Yosemite is a location in California. Starting with Mavericks, Apple began 
>>> naming new releases of OS X after places in California that enspire the 
>>> Apple team.
>>> 
>>> Calling is still done through your iPhone. Your Mac essentially becomes a 
>>> really big bluetooth speakerphone, and can display incoming call 
>>> information. It can also make calls through the same mechanism, pushing the 
>>> phone number from itself over to your phone. So, calling strictly from the 
>>> Mac is still up to Skype and FaceTime, but cellular calls are possible if 
>>> you also own an iPhone.
>>> On Jun 3, 2014, at 4:40 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
 One of my questions is in the subject line.
 
 The other question is, how will you be able to make phone calls on the Mac 
 using Yosemite when you have no credit or sim card in your Mac?  Will it 
 be to any fixed phone line or to just mobiles do you think?
 
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Re: braille display question

[Caitlyn and Maggie]

Yep.  It's still on auto.

I really thought the battery had gone dead.
do you think it just lost the connection or something?

does it have a sleep mode after a certain amount of time?

I was actively reading with it, though, so that last really doesn't make sense..
thanks!
Cait

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> Hi Cait.
> Did you go into the menu on the brailliant and check the connection setting?
> It should be set to auto.
> 
> Best
> 
> Erik
> 
> 
> Sent from my android device.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Caitlyn and Maggie 
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 6:04 AM
> Subject: braille display question
> 
> Hi,

> 
> So this morning I was happily reading on my brailliant 40 bi and I heard this 
> beep beep and then it shut down, or so I thought.  All the cells went blank 
> and it looked like it does when it's turned off.

> 
> So, I unmuted vo and checked the battery level on the display.  I have 
> 38percent left.

> 
> when I tried to resume using it, it wouldn't repair with my mac.

> 
> Anybody else have this happen?

> 
> I'll try again later..

> 
> Cait

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Re: braille display question

[Caitlyn and Maggie]

thanks
Did plugging it in help?
Cait

On Jun 3, 2014, at 11:46 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:

> Kate, I've had this happen when the battery level got down to about 10 or 
> 11%, but not at 38.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:04 AM, Caitlyn and Maggie  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> So this morning I was happily reading on my brailliant 40 bi and I heard 
>> this beep beep and then it shut down, or so I thought.  All the cells went 
>> blank and it looked like it does when it's turned off.
>> 
>> So, I unmuted vo and checked the battery level on the display.  I have 
>> 38percent left.
>> 
>> when I tried to resume using it, it wouldn't repair with my mac.
>> 
>> Anybody else have this happen?
>> 
>> I'll try again later..
>> 
>> Cait
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Re: braille display question

[Les Kriegler]

Yes, when I plugged it in, the battery started charge.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2014, at 5:54 PM, Caitlyn and Maggie  
> wrote:
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> thanks
> Did plugging it in help?
> Cait
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2014, at 11:46 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>> Kate, I've had this happen when the battery level got down to about 10 or 
>> 11%, but not at 38.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:04 AM, Caitlyn and Maggie  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> So this morning I was happily reading on my brailliant 40 bi and I heard 
>>> this beep beep and then it shut down, or so I thought.  All the cells went 
>>> blank and it looked like it does when it's turned off.
>>> 
>>> So, I unmuted vo and checked the battery level on the display.  I have 
>>> 38percent left.
>>> 
>>> when I tried to resume using it, it wouldn't repair with my mac.
>>> 
>>> Anybody else have this happen?
>>> 
>>> I'll try again later..
>>> 
>>> Cait
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Re: mavericks spotlight troubles

[Rob]

Hi,
check out a free  app called EasyFind.
here is the AppleVis link.
http://www.applevis.com/apps/mac/utilities/easyfind
Thanks,
Rob
You can leave me a voice mail or fax at
206-426-3505
"God is good all the time, & All the time God is good"

On 6/3/2014 2:46 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:

Hi all,
I'm not following much the list since I'm mostly on the iPhone.
IS there a way to navigate spotlight with VO that does not pop up the preview 
window?
I get stuck in that window and can't find a way to continue scrolling through 
the other search results.

THanks for your help and sorry if this has. Been discussed before.

Best,
Ioana



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Non-contiguous events calendar

[Traci Duncan]

Hi, is there a way to add new events that happen non-contiguously?

For example, I have events this Summer that happen Mondays & Tuesdays for about 
3 weeks.  This same event title occurs Monday-Thursday for 1 week in the middle 
of the Summer.

Is there some way I can select days, then create the event?

Thanks,
Traci

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Re: What does Yosemite mean?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Thanks All.  I didn't know there was a place (can't spell it now) but I can't 
wait until it's out because the phone feature sounds great.
On 3 Jun 2014, at 22:19, Alex Hall  wrote:

> They select the number the usual way, then (I think) control-click and tell 
> the Mac to call it. I don't know if you can make a phone call to stored 
> contacts, but I can't imagine they would leave that out.
> On Jun 3, 2014, at 4:57 PM, Jessica D  wrote:
> 
>> They managed to dial in number yesterday during the Keynote. I am not sure 
>> how they did it.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 3, 2014, at 4:53 PM, "Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> any idea how you would manually dial a number to use thephone fature or 
>>> does it have to be with the contact list?
>>> 
>>> On 6/3/2014 1:46 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
 Yosemite is a location in California. Starting with Mavericks, Apple began 
 naming new releases of OS X after places in California that enspire the 
 Apple team.
 
 Calling is still done through your iPhone. Your Mac essentially becomes a 
 really big bluetooth speakerphone, and can display incoming call 
 information. It can also make calls through the same mechanism, pushing 
 the phone number from itself over to your phone. So, calling strictly from 
 the Mac is still up to Skype and FaceTime, but cellular calls are possible 
 if you also own an iPhone.
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 4:40 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
> One of my questions is in the subject line.
> 
> The other question is, how will you be able to make phone calls on the 
> Mac using Yosemite when you have no credit or sim card in your Mac?  Will 
> it be to any fixed phone line or to just mobiles do you think?
> 
> Kawal.
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Re: How to go for a holiday and stop mail

[Agent086b]

Sorry, was away on May 21st. Does anybody know the email commands to do this. I 
really find difficulties with the Google pages.
Max

On 3 Jun 2014, at 11:49 pm, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

> Might be a way via email commands but here is what I wrote to a similar 
> question on May 21st:
> 
> You can fiddle with your account settings by going to groups.google.com and 
> find the signin link near the top of the page. Use your email address and 
> password to get in. Once you're in find and open up the MacVisionaries group 
> and then find the My Settings popup button. When you action that there will 
> be a few choices. You want the "My membership and email settings for this 
> group". In there you'll find a popup button which has choices to not send 
> email updates, combine multiple messages into one email and other settings. 
> Make your choices and then find the Save button.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 6/3/14, 12:11 AM, Agent086b wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I am going away in July & August for a mother holiday. So I don't have the 
>> same problems re-joining the 2 google lists I am a member of.
>> How do I set a vacation mode? Groups that use the Mailman program there is 
>> an easy way to go nomail.
>> Sorry for all this traffic.
>> Max
>> 
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Re: Mac OS 10.10 Yosemite system requirements?

[Devin Prater]

I signed up.

> On Jun 3, 2014, at 10:21, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Sure:
> http://appleseed.apple.com
>> On Jun 3, 2014, at 11:01 AM, BBS  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Alex. Can you send the link again to sign up for public betas? I 
>> wouldn’t mind playing with OS 10.10. I wonder if we’ll be getting more 
>> voices. I certainly hope that we can use the Siri voices that are on the 
>> iPhone on the Mac. That would be so cool.
>>  
>>  
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 8:59 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.10 Yosemite system requirements?
>>  
>> I am, but I am waiting on my code. Apple is emailing all non-developers a 
>> download code they will use to grab Yosemite, and mine has not come yet.
>>  
>> Unfortunately, I don't have two displays to work with, only my poor, 
>> neglected Apex.
>> On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:30 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi there
>> It ain't easy! I had to go in for a Genius Bar appointment. Basically, 
>> voiceover is missing telling you some stuff on the screen, plus it doesn't 
>> work every time anyway. When you think you've got the Braille display up on 
>> the screen, tell voiceover to do a search for the word focus. Then you have 
>> to press return when it's time to do the Perry. Like I said, it doesn't work 
>> every time. Just keep at it. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Eugenia.
>>  
>> Please tell me how you got your Focus Blue working on the Mac Via Blue Tooth 
>> as I tried it sometime ago and it would not do it and so reported it to the 
>> accessibility team who were investigating it. Not tried it since. I have the 
>> Focus Blue 40 and plan to buy the Focus blue 14 next month to use with my I 
>> phone and sell my Apple Wireless Keyboard as I have two of them.
>>  
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On 3 Jun 2014, at 01:47 pm,Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>> Hi Alex 
>> Are you planning to do that public beta thing? Right now while in this 
>> message I am testing my Braille Edge under Usb because now I have the 
>> situation that my little Focus 14 sort of works in Bluetooth, doesn't work 
>> very well under USB, and now I can't have both my Braille Edge 40 and my 
>> Focus 14 on the Bluetooth list at the same time. What's weird is that is 
>> was, until I took the Braille Edge off, not on the VoiceOver table but on 
>> the System Preferences list. 
>>  
>> Now that I have the Focus 14 working well enough for me to use it under 
>> Bluetooth for what what I got it for, it looks like I am going to have to 
>> use the Braille Edge 40 with USB for a while, whether I want to or not. 
>> Luckily, it is the Braille Edge 40 is working very well writing this message 
>> using Bluetooth. So, if you do the beta thing, could you see if you can put 
>> two Braille displays on the Bluetooth list and be able to switch between 
>> them? If you can't, could somebody please test this? I may decide to do it 
>> myself, but I'blind need to check with Apple first because I still have that 
>> open case on my Focus 14. 
>>  
>> Regards, 
>> Gigi 
>>  
>> On Jun 2, 2014, at 11:08 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> True enough. The thing is, most developers know and will probably still use 
>> Objective-C for quite a while to come. I haven't used the Swift language 
>> yet, but I don't see how it will help avoid accessibility problems. It may 
>> offer slightly faster coding, but that is about it. I'll let you all know if 
>> my opinion changes as I get more into Swift, which won't be until Xcode6 
>> comes out.
>> On Jun 2, 2014, at 11:56 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> They have a new language which is called Swift. Seems to eliminate a lot of 
>> the cruft required to get ObjectiveC to do what they want and also 
>> eliminates a number of constructs that were authoring errors. So it sounds 
>> like they are trying to set developers up for success more easily which 
>> should be good for everybody.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 6/2/14, 10:37 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
>> Hi guys
>> I just got through listening to the keynote, and I didn't hear anything that 
>> calls me to say, all know jeepers! I think we're going to be okay basically, 
>> but, as always, we will probably have some Accessibility miseries for a 
>> while. If I understand what was said, they wrote a new programming language 
>> which, if I understand what was going on there, they'll be able to figure 
>> out problems easier. Do I get that right?
>> Sincerely,
>> Gigi
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 2, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>> In short, I'm okay at least for the next round.  Can you just imagine how 
>> that's going to work out with accessibility?
>>  
>>  
>> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in!
>> 
>> Sinc

RE: which lap top

[wayne17a]

Hi I use the logitek 750 which is sola
powered and is full size with a number pad and is great 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 10:16 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: which lap top

 

Hi,

 

No, none of the Mac Laptop models have a built-in NumPad.  There's just not
enough space for one.  Your options are to use a external USB or Bluetooth
NumPad or to use an external extended keyboard either USB or Bluetooth.

 

HTH.

 

Later.

 

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada 

 

On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:00 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:





None do, to my knowledge, at least not the modern machines. As others have
said, you can purchase a USB or bluetooth numpad, or a full-sized keyboard
that includes a numpad.

On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Marianne Denning 
wrote:





I need to purchase a MacBook.  The person who will use it has no
vision.  The one thing that is important is a key board with the
numeric key pad on the key board.  I have a MacBook Air and it does
not have this.  Do any of the MacBook pro computers have this?

-- 
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(513) 607-6053

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wifi not sure if on or off on Mini but cannot use internet, mail

[Regina Alvarado]

Hello all,
I have a perplexing problem. My Mac Mini dropped off the wifi a few days ago. 
My brother was able to do something and said the Mini wifi was not on. He got 
wifi turned on, at least it was on until I turned off the Mini just a few mins 
ago. I could get the internet but when I turned it off and back on, wifi was 
gone again. I went to system prefs and network. There is a button that says 
turn wifi off. That makes me think I am connected to wifi, but mail, internet, 
etc is not viable. Help! I have a course on line I am trying to get to 
which I have not been able to get to at all because of no wifi and I want to 
access it on the Mac. I have cable wifi, a network set up and rebooted by the 
cable company a week ago with a new password and every other device including 
my roommate's window's machine is on wifi. I moved the Mini from about 30 feet 
away from the router to now around a wall about 5 feet from the router. Do you 
think I need a stronger router? Thank everyone so much for any thoughts or ways 
of getting my wifi back. I am anxious to start my course. 



reggie and Allegra

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Re: Reading Documents

[Chris Moore]

Thanks.  I installed word service with a little help from the terminal.  It has 
lots of interesting text utilities.  
The one which removes the extraneous carriage returns is called Unix line 
endings.  I've been looking for this for a long time!

Chris
On Jun 3, 2014, at 1:52 PM, Tristan  wrote:

> http://www.devontechnologies.com/products/freeware.html
>  
> Do a vo+f and search for "WordService" on the webpage. Download that and 
> install it with the included readme.
>  
> HTH
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Moore
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:50 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Reading Documents
>  
> Phil,
> I don't seem to have the line ending service on my Mavericks system.  Do you 
> know where I can get it?
>  
> Chris
>  
> On May 20, 2014, at 11:35 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> 
> I did a little checking and found that you can enable certain text services 
> that will convert line endings to and from Mac/Unix/Windows among other 
> interesting things. I enabled the line ending services and tried them out on 
> a text file created in windows. Everywhere there was a blank line in the 
> file, VO would say "return, new line". I selected the entire file and used 
> the Macintosh lines ending service and it changed the blank lines from saying 
> "return, new line" to only saying "return".
> Again, this applies to blank lines between paragraphs. Where there is no 
> blank line between paragraphs, there is no line ending words like return or 
> new line spoken.
>  
>  
> And, this only applies when reading the file manually by line or paragraph. 
> "return, new line"  is not spoken  when reading the entire document with the 
> VO-A command.
>  
> services are enabled in system preferences under the "shortcuts" tab. Select  
> "services" in the category, table, and "text" in the services table. Then 
> check the checkbox for the services you want to appear in the services menu 
> in your various text processing apps like pages or text edit.
>  
>  
> On May 20, 2014, at 4:07 AM, Tristan  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
>  
> I believe I have discovered my problem, though I am unsure of a quick fix 
> (besides some alterations via terminal).  Windows and Mac OS X use very 
> different linefeeds at the end. Windows uses a carriage return, whilst Mac 
> simply uses a linefeed character. These files were most likely created on a 
> Windows computer, thus they are encoded for viewing on a Windows operating 
> system.
> Running some commands via terminal to convert them from dos to unix format 
> was successful, and the problem with VO saying 'new line' and 'return' seems 
> to have disappeared.
> Running this on every one of these files could be very time consuming and 
> irritating at the very least, however. Does anyone have experience with 
> converting the linebreaks on these sorts of files to OS X format?
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Maria and Joe Chapman
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 3:37 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Reading Documents
>  
> HI.
>  
> I believe text  express will keep your place.
>  
> I hope this helps 
> Cheers 
> Maria  
>  
> Produced on macbook probubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>  
>  
> 
>  
> On 20 May 2014, at 3:00 am, Tristan  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi,
>  
> I've been told this is possible, but haven't exactly determined how. I have 
> several articles, documents and books in simple document formats (.txt, rtf, 
> etc). Whenever I read these in TextEdit/Pages, every time a grammatical or 
> spelling error is discovered, VO interrupts the reading flow to make that 
> known. Also, every time a new paragraph begins, or there are blank lines, it 
> says "return" or "new line". This is extremely ideal for editing or word 
> processing, but not for reading something without annoying and unnecessary 
> interruptions.
>  
> Is  there an app that would be optimal for reading long texts, such as 
> textbooks or articles? It seems iBooks is still largely inaccessible even 
> with the 10.9.3 update. Alternatively, can I turn these announcements off in 
> the Voice Over Utility?
>  
> Thanks in advance
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Re: wifi not sure if on or off on Mini but cannot use internet, mail

[Chris Moore]

Hi,
You probably need to go into the wifi menu in the status menu ( vo mm).  Once 
you're in the wifi menu you can reconnect to your network.

Chris
On Jun 3, 2014, at 7:58 PM, Regina Alvarado  wrote:

> Hello all,
> I have a perplexing problem. My Mac Mini dropped off the wifi a few days ago. 
> My brother was able to do something and said the Mini wifi was not on. He got 
> wifi turned on, at least it was on until I turned off the Mini just a few 
> mins ago. I could get the internet but when I turned it off and back on, wifi 
> was gone again. I went to system prefs and network. There is a button that 
> says turn wifi off. That makes me think I am connected to wifi, but mail, 
> internet, etc is not viable. Help! I have a course on line I am trying to 
> get to which I have not been able to get to at all because of no wifi and I 
> want to access it on the Mac. I have cable wifi, a network set up and 
> rebooted by the cable company a week ago with a new password and every other 
> device including my roommate's window's machine is on wifi. I moved the Mini 
> from about 30 feet away from the router to now around a wall about 5 feet 
> from the router. Do you think I need a stronger router? Thank everyone so 
> much for any thoughts or ways of getting my wifi back. I am anxious to start 
> my course. 
> 
> 
> 
> reggie and Allegra
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Re: Extreme iTunes Frustration Continued: Update

[Christine Grassman]

Well, folks, I am officially off the deep end. I removed all music from my 
phone, unsynced music on iTunes, made sure all was as I want it, and re-synced. 
 Now, instead of 430 of my over one thousand songs, I have 63, and 37 artists, 
some with different songs available than those on the songs playlist. This, 
despite the fact that I have about 600 songs checked for syncing, and all 
artists, genres, and albums otherwise unchecked.  I do not know what is going 
on. Someone proposed off-list that I might have two iTunes libraries for some 
reason, but I can't imagine how that might have happened, and checking around, 
I see no way of determine that. Plus, if I see a list with songs checked and 
unchecked under devices, it would stand to reason that all checked songs should 
sync, if that is the available media. 
I am beyond frustrated at this point.
Christine

On Jun 2, 2014, at 11:02 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> To delete all music from your iPhone, make sure iTunes Match is turned off on 
> the iPhone, then in iTunes on your Mac, make sure that "Sync Music" is not 
> checked in the Music pane.  Apply your changes and all music should be 
> removed.  Sometimes, my favourite word in computer-land creeps up and 
> "should" factors in, so, you need to confirm things on your iPhone.  That is, 
> go into the Music app, in the Songs pane and make sure that all have been 
> removed.  You usually can swipe up and delete any songs that were not 
> properly deleted from the first process.  Then you can go ahead and try 
> setting things up the way you want them in iTunes on your Mac.  Once you 
> re-apply the changes, everything "should" be fine.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 2, 2014, at 2:45 AM, Christine Grassman  
> wrote:
> 
>> I want to thank all of you who are trying to assist with your suggestions. 
>> However:
>> 
>> 1. I did have music turned off in iTunes and app store.
>> 
>> 2. I understand how to use the grid; before going into column browser, the 
>> album grid was not going past a certain point, no matter what I did. 
>> 
>> 
>> 3. I did change to column browser, and do see the different listings, but do 
>> not see where to check and uncheck artists, genres, albums,  or particular 
>> songs from a particular artist or album.  I am only seeing "check" or 
>> "uncheck" when songs are selected, which was always the case, and which, as 
>> started this whole problem, does not appear to make a difference.
>> Going out of my mind with this wasted space on my iPhone, and having to 
>> skip, skip, skip, when listening to music because of the currently unwanted 
>> selections. 
>> . . . 
>> Kimba, how did you delete all music from your phone easily and then start 
>> over? I'm thinking this is my next try.
>> Christine
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Request for Explanation of synching with itunes

[Lee Jones]

Dear List when you plug an idevice into a mac and synch it what exactly is 
happening.  Say I have some music on the idevice, and a different set of music 
on the mac, and I then synch them, does this mean that now both mac and idevice 
have all the combined music, or that the phone now has what was on the mac but 
not what it had on itself?  I have purchased music on an idevice.  When I 
search for these albums in the itunes store on the mac they have a purchased 
dimmed button next to them but there is no download link.  When I activate the 
purchased tab there is nothing there.  How many macs and idevices is it 
possible to have on the same apple id, does the limit of 5 just apply to 
computers or to all devices?

Many Thanks Lee

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Virtual help via remote access

[Antonio Guimaraes]

Hello,

I am resending this question. Forgive me if an answer was given, and if this is 
a repeat. I had been affected by issues with Apple, and Gmail, but I am back 
after the update.

Are there people offering services to blind Mac users who will log in, and 
offer help with inaccessible programs, and the like remotely?

Antonio

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removing sim card from iphone4?

[Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona]

Hello how do I remove the sim card from my iphone4?
I can't find the slot, I have a removal tool but i can't find out where 
to remove my sim card

any one know? I know it differs from the iphone 3gs

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Re: Virtual help via remote access

[Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona]

wouldn't mind also knowing this as well
Hank

On 6/3/2014 7:03 PM, Antonio Guimaraes wrote:

Hello,

I am resending this question. Forgive me if an answer was given, and if this is 
a repeat. I had been affected by issues with Apple, and Gmail, but I am back 
after the update.

Are there people offering services to blind Mac users who will log in, and 
offer help with inaccessible programs, and the like remotely?

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Re: Virtual help via remote access

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi Antonio 
I don't know if this helps, but they can look at your screen at the Apple 
accessibility number which is 877-204-3930. I have done this more than once, 
and it's great. We even turned VoiceOver off once, and the Apple adviser was 
telling me how to move my finger on the trackpad. I can't remember now why we 
were doing this, but it had something to do with not being able to easily make 
something work with VoiceOver. 

Regards, 
Gigi 

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> Hello,
> 
> I am resending this question. Forgive me if an answer was given, and if this 
> is a repeat. I had been affected by issues with Apple, and Gmail, but I am 
> back after the update.
> 
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> offer help with inaccessible programs, and the like remotely?
> 
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Re: wifi not sure if on or off on Mini but cannot use internet, mail

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Yes, if the button reads as "Turn WiFi Off", then your WiFi is likely on, 
although, that doesn't necessarily guarantee that you're connected to a 
network.  Press VO-m-m to get to Menu Extras then VO right until you find the 
WiFi status menu, VO-space on that and see if your network is showing up there. 
 If it is, then press return on it and you should connect.  Now, this will only 
reconnect you, but does not fix the issue that is happening when you restart 
your Mini.  For that part, I suggest that you go into System Preferences in the 
Network pane, ensure that WiFi is selected in the Interfaces table, and then go 
down near the bottom of the pane and VO-space on the Advanced button.  Once in 
the Advanced dialog, Interact with the Preferred Networks table and see where 
your network is placed.  If it is not at the top of your list, then you should 
remove the networks listed above it.  Normally, one drags these into the 
desired order but that isn't always a VO friendly task.  What the MacOS does is 
look from the top of the list through to the bottom and if it finds a matching 
network, it will join it.  So, placing yours at the top of the list usually 
solves many issues like you're having.

If this does not resolve your network dropping, let me know and I'll see what 
else I can come up with.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 3, 2014, at 5:58 PM, Regina Alvarado  wrote:

> Hello all,
> I have a perplexing problem. My Mac Mini dropped off the wifi a few days ago. 
> My brother was able to do something and said the Mini wifi was not on. He got 
> wifi turned on, at least it was on until I turned off the Mini just a few 
> mins ago. I could get the internet but when I turned it off and back on, wifi 
> was gone again. I went to system prefs and network. There is a button that 
> says turn wifi off. That makes me think I am connected to wifi, but mail, 
> internet, etc is not viable. Help! I have a course on line I am trying to 
> get to which I have not been able to get to at all because of no wifi and I 
> want to access it on the Mac. I have cable wifi, a network set up and 
> rebooted by the cable company a week ago with a new password and every other 
> device including my roommate's window's machine is on wifi. I moved the Mini 
> from about 30 feet away from the router to now around a wall about 5 feet 
> from the router. Do you think I need a stronger router? Thank everyone so 
> much for any thoughts or ways of getting my wifi back. I am anxious to start 
> my course. 
> 
> 
> 
> reggie and Allegra
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Re: Request for Explanation of synching with itunes

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

the limit only refers to computers, iDevices are a separate category.  If the 
computer and iDevice are both set with the same Apple ID, then the syncing 
process usually will simply move items from the Mac to the iDevice.  There is 
an option under the File menu of iTunes called Device which allows you to 
transfer purchases from the iPhone to the Mac that don't already exist on the 
Mac.  Normally, though, if the items were purchased in the iTunes Store under 
the same Apple ID, then they should be visible and available for download on 
both devices.  You may wish to make sure that you have "Show iTunes in the 
Cloud Purchases" checked in the Store pane of your iTunes Prefs on your Mac.

Hope this helps clarify some.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 3, 2014, at 7:32 PM, Lee Jones  wrote:

> Dear List when you plug an idevice into a mac and synch it what exactly is 
> happening.  Say I have some music on the idevice, and a different set of 
> music on the mac, and I then synch them, does this mean that now both mac and 
> idevice have all the combined music, or that the phone now has what was on 
> the mac but not what it had on itself?  I have purchased music on an idevice. 
>  When I search for these albums in the itunes store on the mac they have a 
> purchased dimmed button next to them but there is no download link.  When I 
> activate the purchased tab there is nothing there.  How many macs and 
> idevices is it possible to have on the same apple id, does the limit of 5 
> just apply to computers or to all devices?
> 
> Many Thanks Lee
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Re: How to go for a holiday and stop mail

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I’m pretty sure that this can only be done via the Google page.  If you use the 
tab key, the return key and the arrow keys on the Google page for 
MacVisionaries, it’s usually easier to manage.  Just use VO to check boxes if 
necessary, although, you could just use the spacebar in those situations as 
well.

Good luck.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 3, 2014, at 4:35 PM, Agent086b  wrote:

> Sorry, was away on May 21st. Does anybody know the email commands to do this. 
> I really find difficulties with the Google pages.
> Max
> 
> On 3 Jun 2014, at 11:49 pm, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Might be a way via email commands but here is what I wrote to a similar 
>> question on May 21st:
>> 
>> You can fiddle with your account settings by going to groups.google.com and 
>> find the signin link near the top of the page. Use your email address and 
>> password to get in. Once you're in find and open up the MacVisionaries group 
>> and then find the My Settings popup button. When you action that there will 
>> be a few choices. You want the "My membership and email settings for this 
>> group". In there you'll find a popup button which has choices to not send 
>> email updates, combine multiple messages into one email and other settings. 
>> Make your choices and then find the Save button.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 6/3/14, 12:11 AM, Agent086b wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> I am going away in July & August for a mother holiday. So I don't have the 
>>> same problems re-joining the 2 google lists I am a member of.
>>> How do I set a vacation mode? Groups that use the Mailman program there is 
>>> an easy way to go nomail.
>>> Sorry for all this traffic.
>>> Max
>>> 
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Re: Non-contiguous events calendar

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Not that I'm aware of.  What I would do, is set them up as a recurring event on 
Mondays and Tuesdays, then modify the Tuesday event for the given week or 
weeks.  When you go to modify it, Calendar will ask you if you're modifying the 
single event or all future events, for which you'd answer just that single 
event.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 3, 2014, at 4:19 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:

> Hi, is there a way to add new events that happen non-contiguously?
> 
> For example, I have events this Summer that happen Mondays & Tuesdays for 
> about 3 weeks.  This same event title occurs Monday-Thursday for 1 week in 
> the middle of the Summer.
> 
> Is there some way I can select days, then create the event?
> 
> Thanks,
> Traci
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Help needed with using calendars please

[Eleanor Roberts]

Hi all 

Just wondered if anyone could help with this one. I am trying to put 
anniversaries into my calendar (birthdays etc). Is there a good way of doing 
this? My default calendar is "home". However, on both my IPhone and IPad, when 
I go into my list of calenndars a calendar called "birthdays" appears. But when 
I go to add an event and it asks me which calendar I want to put it in it only 
offers me "home" or "work", and the "birthdays" one doesn't appear at all. 
Anyone got any ideas how I can fix or get round this so I can put these 
birthdays in my calendar? 

Many thanks for any hhelp. 

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Re: braille display question

[erik burggraaf]

Hi,  Have you tried removing it from braille preferences in the voiceover 
utility and re-adding it?

Best,


Erik Burggraaf
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On 2014-06-03, at 5:53 PM, Caitlyn and Maggie  wrote:

> Yep.  It's still on auto.
> 
> I really thought the battery had gone dead.
> do you think it just lost the connection or something?
> 
> does it have a sleep mode after a certain amount of time?
> 
> I was actively reading with it, though, so that last really doesn't make 
> sense..
> thanks!
> Cait
> 
> On Jun 3, 2014, at 11:32 AM, e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote:
> 
>> Hi Cait.
>> Did you go into the menu on the brailliant and check the connection setting?
>> It should be set to auto.
>> 
>> Best
>> 
>> Erik
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my android device.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Caitlyn and Maggie 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 6:04 AM
>> Subject: braille display question
>> 
>> Hi, 
>> 
>> So this morning I was happily reading on my brailliant 40 bi and I heard 
>> this beep beep and then it shut down, or so I thought.  All the cells went 
>> blank and it looked like it does when it's turned off. 
>> 
>> So, I unmuted vo and checked the battery level on the display.  I have 
>> 38percent left. 
>> 
>> when I tried to resume using it, it wouldn't repair with my mac. 
>> 
>> Anybody else have this happen? 
>> 
>> I'll try again later.. 
>> 
>> Cait 
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Re: recalcitrant Apple keyboard

[Steve Holmes]

I use a standard Apple bluetooth keyboard all the time on my Mac Mini. Only 
time I have keystrokes not getting processed is when I wake the machine out of 
sleep mode. Then I think VO is more the problem with lack of responsiveness. I 
may also experience much sluggishness or whatever when Time Machine is updating 
my backup. Machine and keyboard just work better when that process gets out of 
the way. Another thing I like to do to be sure my keyboard is working OK is to 
tap the Caps Lock key because this won't input any unwanted characters but VO 
will speak a response when things are working right. Another trick is to hold 
down FN key and press F11 and F12 back and forth and you will hear the ticks of 
the volume control. I base this last comment on having the function keys set to 
software so FN key must be held down for hardware things like volume.

On Jun 2, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:

> I have the Apple bluetooth keyboard and though I know usually when the 
> batteries are going, it seems to often just be recalcitrant about keystrokes 
> or commands. Today I have to exit Mail and come back in before it would 
> register that I was hitting the delete key or enter key. 
> 
> Often in my Twitter client, Night Owl, keyboard commands will be totally 
> ignored for many presses of the key until finally something clicks. I do love 
> the feel and size of the Apple keyboard and thus have not tried a full size 
> regular keyboard to know if these things are endemic. 
> 
> I'll probably try the commands on the MBP keyboard next,as that brilliant 
> idea just popped into my head but does anyone else have this issue with the 
> apple bluetooth keyboard? 
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
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Re: Non-contiguous events calendar

[Steve Holmes]

I wish there was a way to create events that occur every month on a particular 
week. For example, say the third Wednesday of every month. You can do monthly 
but that implies a specific date on each month; not a given week. Any way to 
get around this? Otherwise, I have to build them all manually and I haven't 
found a method to copy the whole event to the next date.

On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:01 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Not that I'm aware of.  What I would do, is set them up as a recurring event 
> on Mondays and Tuesdays, then modify the Tuesday event for the given week or 
> weeks.  When you go to modify it, Calendar will ask you if you're modifying 
> the single event or all future events, for which you'd answer just that 
> single event.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 3, 2014, at 4:19 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
>> Hi, is there a way to add new events that happen non-contiguously?
>> 
>> For example, I have events this Summer that happen Mondays & Tuesdays for 
>> about 3 weeks.  This same event title occurs Monday-Thursday for 1 week in 
>> the middle of the Summer.
>> 
>> Is there some way I can select days, then create the event?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Traci
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Re: Non-contiguous events calendar

[Christopher Hallsworth]

Check out the free Alarmed app which can do this for you.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 04/06/2014 07:14, Steve Holmes wrote:

I wish there was a way to create events that occur every month on a particular 
week. For example, say the third Wednesday of every month. You can do monthly 
but that implies a specific date on each month; not a given week. Any way to 
get around this? Otherwise, I have to build them all manually and I haven't 
found a method to copy the whole event to the next date.

On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:01 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:


Hi,

Not that I'm aware of.  What I would do, is set them up as a recurring event on 
Mondays and Tuesdays, then modify the Tuesday event for the given week or 
weeks.  When you go to modify it, Calendar will ask you if you're modifying the 
single event or all future events, for which you'd answer just that single 
event.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 3, 2014, at 4:19 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:


Hi, is there a way to add new events that happen non-contiguously?

For example, I have events this Summer that happen Mondays & Tuesdays for about 
3 weeks.  This same event title occurs Monday-Thursday for 1 week in the middle of 
the Summer.

Is there some way I can select days, then create the event?

Thanks,
Traci

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