Re: Navigating screen savers

2014-04-06 Thread Ray Foret Jr 
Depends I guess what you're trying to do.  Me, if I want to find an album, I 
just make sure that the album radio button is selected in the current view and 
then, go all the way over to the right where the grid of albums is.  Then, I 
just asrrow left or right (not VO) till I find it.  When I find the album I 
want, I interact with the album details and then I pick the tracks I want from 
the grid.  
Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Apr 6, 2014, at 12:36 AM, Pamela Francis  wrote:

> I have a truly's stupid question. I know all of you are going to want to 
> commit me to the loony bin.
> Tim, while navigating this thread, I noticed how you gave the explanation of 
> interacting through the cell of screensavers then stopping interacting in 
> order to select what you wanted. Does the same principle work in a grid of 
> music in iTunes?  Forgive me, I know this is very basic, yet I think you turn 
> the light bulb on in my head if what you're telling me works everywhere. 
> There are times I can't seem to make it work that way.
> 
> Pam Francis
> 
> On Apr 5, 2014, at 12:00 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> When you Interact with the Grid, navigate through it until you find the 
> ScreenSaver you desire, then Stop Interacting with the Grid and it's 
> selected.  Simple as that.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 3, 2014, at 10:24 AM, Robert C  wrote:
> 
>>   How does one navigate in the screen savers area of System Preferences? I 
>> cannot seem to select the saver I want to use. I see the list of them, in a 
>> cell. Thanks.
>> 
>> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
>> Got milk?
>> --California Milk Processor Board
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Re: Experience Switching to Mac

2014-04-06 Thread Chris Apple boy 

Hi all
I bought my Macbook Pro in 2012 because I love what Apple has done to 
the iOS platform and thought why not. I'm slowly but surely switching 
full time so am ready for when my Windows 7 64 bit laptop dies. I 
certainly think it was worth every penny, and thanks to this and other 
lists as well as my own tutoring I can do most things on the Mac now, 
from basic web navigation to installing and using third party apps both 
from the web and the App Store.


Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 06/04/2014 03:34, Kevin Shaw wrote:

Hi,


*   Hi Scott.


As I have said, I am thinking about switching to the Mac and have been trying 
to gather more information about it.  To that end, I have been asking specific 
questions.  I will continue to do that but I would like some general feedback 
from people who have made the switch from Windows to the Mac.  Why did you 
switch In the first place?


*	I didn't switch at first. I got a Macbook Pro in 2009 because I was going back to school and wanted a laptop that would take notes and that I didn't have to install JAWS on. In terms of cost savings, I looked at the costs vs. benefits of buying a Windows machine, a Windows license, Office, JAWS, plus the time required to reinstall and configure the system the correct way--including all of the anti-malware apps, disk configuration and all of the other tweako things you do with a Windows machine. When I got my Mac, I turned it on and was surfing the web and checking my email in 10 minutes flat. I've never had to defrag, do disk clean up, tweak an app, nor have I had a single virus or case of malware. For me, the benefit outweighed the cost. I kept a PC running to use Office until its power supply nearly caught fire in my house. I completed my Master's degree by learning to mark up documents in Pages with formatting, table of contents, pagination and sectioning. As an entrepreneur 

who needs complex spreadsheets, Numbers has worked like a champ. The holy grail 
of Mac accessibility is MS Office, but I think that is far in the distant 
future.




Having switched, do you feel that it was the right choice for you?


*   Yes. I've saved lots of time and frustration by making the Mac my sole 
computer. I will probably get a PC for my office to work in Excel much faster 
than in Numbers, but all in all, I'm happy with the Mac as a platform.


Do any of you regret having switched or have you even gone back to the PC?


*   No regrets for what I need to do. I've used PCs for work since 
switching and I still do all of the tweako things to get it to work right, but 
I doubt I'd make a PC my main machine. I have the Windows 7 DVD sitting in my 
desk, as I thought I'd be using BootCamp, but it's been a glorified paperweight 
ever since I got it.


I've used my Mac to administer websites in WordPress, run MOnte Carlo 
simulations in Numbers, convert high-res video and audio, record bands and much 
more without any complaints, system hangs, kernel panics or critical software 
failures. Both platforms have their advantages and disadvantages and having a 
machine that's accessible out of the box for 97% of the most common tasks you 
need to do on a computer is a huge bonus.

Cheers,
Kevin



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Re: Experience Switching to Mac

2014-04-06 Thread April 
Hello.  About ten months ago, I was declared legally blind.  I have been on 
the search for a full diagnosis and prognosis since.  No luck.

In December, when my Windows 7 machine became totally unstable, and had 
been reformatted three times in less than a month, I bought a  Mac.  I 
figured, if I had to learn a screen reader, it was best to do so on one 
where the screen reader came built in.

So far, no luck learning how to use the screen reader though.  I can turn 
on and off.  That's about it.  I have a 40 page list of random commands, 
and can't figure out what any of the are supposed to do.  A dictionary 
would help.  Perhaps the lines above or below that don't make sense are 
supposed to tell me what they do?  

I used to be a web designer, and I thought a screen reader should be easy 
to learn to use.  After all, I'm good with with computers.  

I'm also horrible with foreign languages, and figured braille would be 
impossible to learn.  I started the first contracted braille book I'm 
reading last night.  I started learning braille last November.

I still use a Windows 7 computer at night.  It takes about 15 minutes to 
turn on, and every scroll of the screen takes forever.  I don't count on it 
for anything.

On Saturday, April 5, 2014 4:11:11 PM UTC-4, Scott Duck wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> As I have said, I am thinking about switching to the Mac and have been 
> trying to gather more information about it.  To that end, I have been 
> asking specific questions.  I will continue to do that but I would like 
> some general feedback from people who have made the switch from Windows to 
> the Mac.  Why did you switch In the first place?  Having switched, do you 
> feel that it was the right choice for you?  Do any of you regret having 
> switched or have you even gone back to the PC?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott Duck
>

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Re: Keyboard Maestro Actions Question

2014-04-06 Thread Emilio 
Keith,

Thank you for that bit of info because that is the step I was not 
understanding well.
Appreciate the podcast by the way.

P.S. From what I understand you use Hazel. It is a great application, do 
you have any tips how I can configure this program to work better for me 
because some things I am not understanding well. Perhaps we can chat 
off-list so as not to bombard the group.

Thanks.

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excuse me microsoft one nore is updated

2014-04-06 Thread Dionipher Presas Herrera 
can somebody help me get rid of it, i already uninstall the program and still 
kepss saying that. it is very annoying

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Re: Keyboard Maestro Actions Question

2014-04-06 Thread Keith Watson 
Emilio,

Sure, not a problem. My email address is tkwat...@me.com and I would be glad to 
help out where I can. This goes for anyone out there that is looking to 
increase their knowledge about using a Mac to automate their lives. I am a 
fanatic about this subject.

Keith

On Apr 6, 2014, at 5:58 AM, Emilio  wrote:

> Keith,
> 
> Thank you for that bit of info because that is the step I was not 
> understanding well.
> Appreciate the podcast by the way.
> 
> P.S. From what I understand you use Hazel. It is a great application, do you 
> have any tips how I can configure this program to work better for me because 
> some things I am not understanding well. Perhaps we can chat off-list so as 
> not to bombard the group.
> 
> Thanks.
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Re: Keyboard Maestro Actions Question

2014-04-06 Thread Deb Lewis 
A friend recommended that I consider Hazel as a way of resolving some of my 
problems with various tasks. So, I' d appreciate it a lot if you guys would 
have that discussion right here since this is an application I know virtually 
nothing about. Meanwhile, I'm going to Google it down so I can learn what i can 
on my own. 


On Apr 6, 2014, at 4:28 AM, Keith Watson  wrote:

> Emilio,
> 
> Sure, not a problem. My email address is tkwat...@me.com and I would be glad 
> to help out where I can. This goes for anyone out there that is looking to 
> increase their knowledge about using a Mac to automate their lives. I am a 
> fanatic about this subject.
> 
> Keith
> 
> On Apr 6, 2014, at 5:58 AM, Emilio  wrote:
> 
>> Keith,
>> 
>> Thank you for that bit of info because that is the step I was not 
>> understanding well.
>> Appreciate the podcast by the way.
>> 
>> P.S. From what I understand you use Hazel. It is a great application, do you 
>> have any tips how I can configure this program to work better for me because 
>> some things I am not understanding well. Perhaps we can chat off-list so as 
>> not to bombard the group.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
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Re: Keyboard Maestro Actions Question

2014-04-06 Thread Keith Watson 
Deb,

Sure, I have no problem with discussing KM or Hazel or any other Automation app 
on list, or off list.

Just for your edification, Hazel is a Daemon that watches folders for specific 
things and then performs an action based on the result. For instance, on my Air 
I have Hazel watch the Downloads folder for files ending in torrent. When she 
see's one she moves it to a folder named Sync. That folder is synced with a 
folder on my Mini using an app called BTSync. When Hazel on my Mini sees the 
file show up she grabs it an moves it to the folder that my torrent client is 
watching. The file is then downloaded. All without me doing anything except 
downloading the torrent file. 

This is just one example of what she can do. I have her filing and processing 
all sorts of things. And if you are wondering why I am referring to her as a 
she, its because I am old enough to remember the TV show of the same name. Oops 
guess I just dated myself.

Keith
 
On Apr 6, 2014, at 9:01 AM, Deb Lewis  wrote:

> A friend recommended that I consider Hazel as a way of resolving some of my 
> problems with various tasks. So, I' d appreciate it a lot if you guys would 
> have that discussion right here since this is an application I know virtually 
> nothing about. Meanwhile, I'm going to Google it down so I can learn what i 
> can on my own. 
> 
> 
> On Apr 6, 2014, at 4:28 AM, Keith Watson  wrote:
> 
>> Emilio,
>> 
>> Sure, not a problem. My email address is tkwat...@me.com and I would be glad 
>> to help out where I can. This goes for anyone out there that is looking to 
>> increase their knowledge about using a Mac to automate their lives. I am a 
>> fanatic about this subject.
>> 
>> Keith
>> 
>> On Apr 6, 2014, at 5:58 AM, Emilio  wrote:
>> 
>>> Keith,
>>> 
>>> Thank you for that bit of info because that is the step I was not 
>>> understanding well.
>>> Appreciate the podcast by the way.
>>> 
>>> P.S. From what I understand you use Hazel. It is a great application, do 
>>> you have any tips how I can configure this program to work better for me 
>>> because some things I am not understanding well. Perhaps we can chat 
>>> off-list so as not to bombard the group.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
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Hazel Discussion

2014-04-06 Thread Emilio 


To begin the conversation, Hazel is a file management program that 
automates various tasks. These tasks are known as “rules,” which a user 
develops by first, selecting a folder, second, titling, and adding a rule, 
and finally, setting the criteria the rule will execute. For instance, I 
have a rule that basically tells my downloads folder to move files that are 
named with the title “take control,” into a separate sub-folder elsewhere 
on my HD. Noodle Soft,  is the software 
development company that produces Hazel. Moreover, Hazel can be tried for 
two weeks until a decision will need to be made to purchase the program for 
$25. Mac Power Users  is a podcast where I 
first learned about Hazel. This podcast is one I highly recommend because 
at the minimum, co-hosts David and Katie, along with special guests, offer 
innovative ideas, methods, and techniques on how to increase one’s 
productivity with their Apple products. A link to the podcast discussing 
Hazel and be found here - enjoy.

Hazel podcast 79

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Re: Experience Switching to Mac

2014-04-06 Thread David Chittenden 
Screen readers are complicated to learn. They require one to think very 
differently about accessing computers. Newly blind people can easily spend 
months learning the extremely different interface that the screen reader 
provides. It is not at all intuitive. It requires an extreme amount of 
memorisation. 

Learning braille, on the other hand, is comparably easier. The structure is 
quite similar to print. The main differences are, learning dot patterns rather 
than line and curl patterns, and learning to feel rather than see the symbols.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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> On 6 Apr 2014, at 21:52, April  wrote:
> 
> Hello.  About ten months ago, I was declared legally blind.  I have been on 
> the search for a full diagnosis and prognosis since.  No luck.
> 
> In December, when my Windows 7 machine became totally unstable, and had been 
> reformatted three times in less than a month, I bought a  Mac.  I figured, if 
> I had to learn a screen reader, it was best to do so on one where the screen 
> reader came built in.
> 
> So far, no luck learning how to use the screen reader though.  I can turn on 
> and off.  That's about it.  I have a 40 page list of random commands, and 
> can't figure out what any of the are supposed to do.  A dictionary would 
> help.  Perhaps the lines above or below that don't make sense are supposed to 
> tell me what they do?  
> 
> I used to be a web designer, and I thought a screen reader should be easy to 
> learn to use.  After all, I'm good with with computers.  
> 
> I'm also horrible with foreign languages, and figured braille would be 
> impossible to learn.  I started the first contracted braille book I'm reading 
> last night.  I started learning braille last November.
> 
> I still use a Windows 7 computer at night.  It takes about 15 minutes to turn 
> on, and every scroll of the screen takes forever.  I don't count on it for 
> anything.
> 
>> On Saturday, April 5, 2014 4:11:11 PM UTC-4, Scott Duck wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> As I have said, I am thinking about switching to the Mac and have been 
>> trying to gather more information about it.  To that end, I have been asking 
>> specific questions.  I will continue to do that but I would like some 
>> general feedback from people who have made the switch from Windows to the 
>> Mac.  Why did you switch In the first place?  Having switched, do you feel 
>> that it was the right choice for you?  Do any of you regret having switched 
>> or have you even gone back to the PC?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Scott Duck
>> 
> 
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Identifying formatting characteristics of text with VO

2014-04-06 Thread Phil Halton 
I'm doing more work with text in Pages and Numbers now and would like to know 
how I can identify the format of text. Using JAWS with Office suite, there is a 
keystroke that gives all the format info you'd ever want about the selected 
text (insert + F). Is there anything similar on the Mac side? I only know about 
the setting to announce text attributes  in the verbosity menu (VO Vee).
I've also got a lot of formatting questions, but I'll parcel them out a few at 
a time as they come up in my travels.
Anything you care to share on that topic now would be welcome though.



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Re: Identifying formatting characteristics of text with VO

2014-04-06 Thread Ricardo Walker 
Hello,

To have text attributes read aloud, press VO T.

hth

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Apr 6, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:

> I'm doing more work with text in Pages and Numbers now and would like to know 
> how I can identify the format of text. Using JAWS with Office suite, there is 
> a keystroke that gives all the format info you'd ever want about the selected 
> text (insert + F). Is there anything similar on the Mac side? I only know 
> about the setting to announce text attributes  in the verbosity menu (VO Vee).
> I've also got a lot of formatting questions, but I'll parcel them out a few 
> at a time as they come up in my travels.
> Anything you care to share on that topic now would be welcome though.
> 
> 
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Re: Experience Switching to Mac

2014-04-06 Thread matthew Dyer 
Hi,

I have been using a mac full time now for about 3 or 4 years and There is not 
one thing that I can not do on a mac that I could not do on a pc.  The only 
exception to the role is capcta, which I just use firefox and vinux4  to do so 
that problem is salved.  I do everything I want on my mac from listening to 
music in iTunes to sending and receiving mail and web browsing.  It is very 
stable and I have been very happy with the switch.  HTH.

Matthew


On Apr 5, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Scott Duck  wrote:

> Hi,
> As I have said, I am thinking about switching to the Mac and have been trying 
> to gather more information about it.  To that end, I have been asking 
> specific questions.  I will continue to do that but I would like some general 
> feedback from people who have made the switch from Windows to the Mac.  Why 
> did you switch In the first place?  Having switched, do you feel that it was 
> the right choice for you?  Do any of you regret having switched or have you 
> even gone back to the PC?
> Thanks,
> Scott Duck
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getting started with garageband

2014-04-06 Thread Venkatesh Potluri 
Hi list.
I am very happy about the fact that the new garage band is accessible.
I am getting started with garageband. I wish to know the list of
things that can and can not be done with garageband and VO. For
starters, I tried to drag a loop into one of the tracks and the loop
got inserted after a few bars in the track. That is, the first few
bars are empty. How do i fix this? How do I go about creating new
loops? Is there any podcast or tutorial that explains using garageband
with VO?  These are just a few questions.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. :)
Cheers
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auto capitalisation in textedit and pages

2014-04-06 Thread Venkatesh Potluri 
Hi list.
Is there any way to get auto capitalisation in textedit and pages? I
want the first letter of the first word of sentence to be an upper
case letter.
Thanks in advance.
Cheers
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Re: Experience Switching to Mac

2014-04-06 Thread Teresa Cochran 
I have been an access technology trainer, and I was intrigued with the idea of 
the out-of-the-box accessibility of the Mac. I had been experimenting with 
Linux distributions, but I was doing far more tweaking than I cared to. I had a 
problematic Windows laptop, but was just starting to use NVDA before I 
switched, and really liked that screen-reader. Ultimately, I decided to immerse 
myself in the Mac world and never look back, partly just for the challenge of 
it, and partly for the accessibility aspect. In April 2010, I bought a Mac 
Mini, gave my laptop away to a friend, and have never looked back. I haven't 
even installed Windows on my Mac. There are a few things I miss a little, such 
as the games I used to play and the accessibility of some flash elements on web 
pages, but in my opinion, these are small considerations, and I've gotten very 
comfortable using the Mac. So as far as I'm concerned, come on in; the water's 
fine. :)

Teresa

On the other hand, there are different fingers.

On Apr 6, 2014, at 2:52 AM, April  wrote:

> Hello.  About ten months ago, I was declared legally blind.  I have been on 
> the search for a full diagnosis and prognosis since.  No luck.
> 
> In December, when my Windows 7 machine became totally unstable, and had been 
> reformatted three times in less than a month, I bought a  Mac.  I figured, if 
> I had to learn a screen reader, it was best to do so on one where the screen 
> reader came built in.
> 
> So far, no luck learning how to use the screen reader though.  I can turn on 
> and off.  That's about it.  I have a 40 page list of random commands, and 
> can't figure out what any of the are supposed to do.  A dictionary would 
> help.  Perhaps the lines above or below that don't make sense are supposed to 
> tell me what they do?  
> 
> I used to be a web designer, and I thought a screen reader should be easy to 
> learn to use.  After all, I'm good with with computers.  
> 
> I'm also horrible with foreign languages, and figured braille would be 
> impossible to learn.  I started the first contracted braille book I'm reading 
> last night.  I started learning braille last November.
> 
> I still use a Windows 7 computer at night.  It takes about 15 minutes to turn 
> on, and every scroll of the screen takes forever.  I don't count on it for 
> anything.
> 
> On Saturday, April 5, 2014 4:11:11 PM UTC-4, Scott Duck wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> As I have said, I am thinking about switching to the Mac and have been trying 
> to gather more information about it.  To that end, I have been asking 
> specific questions.  I will continue to do that but I would like some general 
> feedback from people who have made the switch from Windows to the Mac.  Why 
> did you switch In the first place?  Having switched, do you feel that it was 
> the right choice for you?  Do any of you regret having switched or have you 
> even gone back to the PC?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Scott Duck
> 
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Re: Hazel Discussion

2014-04-06 Thread Teresa Cochran 
Forgive me if this is an obvious question, but how does Hazel differ from 
Automater?

Teresa
"The golden age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete graham

On Apr 6, 2014, at 7:56 AM, Emilio  wrote:

> To begin the conversation, Hazel is a file management program that automates 
> various tasks. These tasks are known as "rules," which a user develops by 
> first, selecting a folder, second, titling, and adding a rule, and finally, 
> setting the criteria the rule will execute. For instance, I have a rule that 
> basically tells my downloads folder to move files that are named with the 
> title "take control," into a separate sub-folder elsewhere on my HD. Noodle 
> Soft, is the software development company that produces Hazel. Moreover, 
> Hazel can be tried for two weeks until a decision will need to be made to 
> purchase the program for $25. Mac Power Users is a podcast where I first 
> learned about Hazel. This podcast is one I highly recommend because at the 
> minimum, co-hosts David and Katie, along with special guests, offer 
> innovative ideas, methods, and techniques on how to increase one's 
> productivity with their Apple products. A link to the podcast discussing 
> Hazel and be found here - enjoy.
> 
> Hazel podcast 79
> 
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Re: auto capitalisation in textedit and pages

2014-04-06 Thread Tim Kilburn 
Hi,

I believe that that function was removed from the newest version of Pages.  It 
appears to be a sore spot amongst many, so will likely be brought back in a 
future update to Pages.  I've always hated all this auto-formatting so usually 
turn it off as I don't like my Word Processor to try and "out-think" me, 
because it usually causes me more frustration than not.  I seem to be a 
minority though by the sounds of things on various forums.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 6, 2014, at 10:56 AM, Venkatesh Potluri  wrote:

> Hi list.
> Is there any way to get auto capitalisation in textedit and pages? I
> want the first letter of the first word of sentence to be an upper
> case letter.
> Thanks in advance.
> Cheers
> Venkatesh Potluri
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Re: excuse me microsoft one nore is updated

2014-04-06 Thread Eugenia Firth 
Hi there 
I had a situation once similar to what you are describing. Is this program 
listed on your ndesktop as a volume? If it is, you may have to put your cursor 
on top of it and press command e to eject the volume off your desktop. I had 
this happen once with a piece of software, and that's what I had to do. The 
fvolume was still listed on my desktop, even though Ihad uninstalled the 
program. 

Regards,
Gigi 

On Apr 6, 2014, at 6:18 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
wrote:

> can somebody help me get rid of it, i already uninstall the program and still 
> kepss saying that. it is very annoying
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Re: auto capitalisation in textedit and pages

2014-04-06 Thread Anne Robertson 
Hello Tim,

I'm with you on this one. I always turn off all automatic spelling and grammar 
checks and do a complete spell check once I'm finished editing my document.

Cheers,

Anne


On 6 Apr 2014, at 20:28, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> I've always hated all this auto-formatting so usually turn it off as I don't 
> like my Word Processor to try and "out-think" me, because it usually causes 
> me more frustration than not.  I seem to be a minority though by the sounds 
> of things on various forums.
> 
> Later...
> 
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Re: auto capitalisation in textedit and pages

2014-04-06 Thread Matt Dierckens 
Hi.
I'm with Anne and Tim on this one. I always hated it in word when it would try 
to auto number stuff when I start with the number 1. Would drive me mad.

Matt Dierckens
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com
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On Apr 6, 2014, at 2:37 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> Hello Tim,
> 
> I'm with you on this one. I always turn off all automatic spelling and 
> grammar checks and do a complete spell check once I'm finished editing my 
> document.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 6 Apr 2014, at 20:28, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> I've always hated all this auto-formatting so usually turn it off as I don't 
>> like my Word Processor to try and "out-think" me, because it usually causes 
>> me more frustration than not.  I seem to be a minority though by the sounds 
>> of things on various forums.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
> 
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Re: Navigating screen savers

2014-04-06 Thread Tim Kilburn 
Hi Pam,

Sorry, no Looney Bin today.  The Grid in iTunes seems to work differently than 
the one for Screen Savers.  The grids within iTunes supply much more 
information and require more interaction to manipulate.  I seldom use the Grid 
view when in iTunes as I prefer the List view in most cases, but I do realize 
that there are those who use it a lot.  Sorry, I wasn't more help with this.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 5, 2014, at 11:36 PM, Pamela Francis  wrote:

> I have a truly's stupid question. I know all of you are going to want to 
> commit me to the loony bin.
> Tim, while navigating this thread, I noticed how you gave the explanation of 
> interacting through the cell of screensavers then stopping interacting in 
> order to select what you wanted. Does the same principle work in a grid of 
> music in iTunes?  Forgive me, I know this is very basic, yet I think you turn 
> the light bulb on in my head if what you're telling me works everywhere. 
> There are times I can't seem to make it work that way.
> 
> Pam Francis
> 
> On Apr 5, 2014, at 12:00 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> When you Interact with the Grid, navigate through it until you find the 
> ScreenSaver you desire, then Stop Interacting with the Grid and it's 
> selected.  Simple as that.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 3, 2014, at 10:24 AM, Robert C  wrote:
> 
>>   How does one navigate in the screen savers area of System Preferences? I 
>> cannot seem to select the saver I want to use. I see the list of them, in a 
>> cell. Thanks.
>> 
>> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
>> Got milk?
>> --California Milk Processor Board
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Re: Identifying formatting characteristics of text with VO

2014-04-06 Thread Phil Halton 
Thanks Ricardo, I knew it must have been  a simple one like that.
On Apr 6, 2014, at 12:25 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> To have text attributes read aloud, press VO T.
> 
> hth
> 
> Ricardo Walker
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> 
> On Apr 6, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
>> I'm doing more work with text in Pages and Numbers now and would like to 
>> know how I can identify the format of text. Using JAWS with Office suite, 
>> there is a keystroke that gives all the format info you'd ever want about 
>> the selected text (insert + F). Is there anything similar on the Mac side? I 
>> only know about the setting to announce text attributes  in the verbosity 
>> menu (VO Vee).
>> I've also got a lot of formatting questions, but I'll parcel them out a few 
>> at a time as they come up in my travels.
>> Anything you care to share on that topic now would be welcome though.
>> 
>> 
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Re: Experience Switching to Mac

2014-04-06 Thread Eugenia Firth 
Hi there 
I have used my husband's Windows computer like maybe three times since I 
switched to my MacBook Pro in 2011. The first time was about two weeks after I 
switched because I had something that had to get out like yesterday. Then twice 
more I got on the Windows computer because I was trying to use a web site that 
was giving me grief. As it turned out, I crashed JAWS anyway and didn't 
anywhere with the web site until I used the iPhone. My Mac also had trouble 
with that site. 

If I ever get forced into using a Windows program, I plan to use a separate 
computer so that I don't have to put Windows on my Mac. Although Apple has had 
a few instances of getting Macs hacked, it's not near as bad as Windows because 
Apple doesn't let everybody, his brother, and his sister too do what they want 
without approval from Apple. I say good because I have a blind friend who has a 
Windows desktop that has been in the computer hospital more than once, after 
having been carried down a flight of stairs to a taxi for repair due to 
viruses. The last one killed off WindowEyes. She says her next computer is 
going to be a Mac. She does have a virus protection program and she's a 
competent user, but apparently they got past WindowEyes. By the way, I am now 
teaching her the iPhone. 

For new folks that have not made the switch, I guess it depends on what you 
need from your computer and whether you have to run a program due to work 
considerations. Those who are considering this, you might tell us as best as 
you can what you need from your computer. You may have already done this and I 
missed something. I do, for instance, have a blind friend that I am now 
convinced should not switch, even though it would benefit her computer wise. I 
would not look forward to teaching this friend VoiceOver because she is not 
calm when she has trouble. She learned JAWS at work and has her own way of 
using her computer. She is resistant to change. I am teaching her the iPhone 
now, and it's slow going because I have trouble getting her to listen; she 
wants to do things her way. I finally got some text files like the manual and 
that book from National Braille Press and them on her computer; then I 
suggested she study them and do some exploring. After she has done that for a 
while, then we'll get back together.

Regards, 
Gigi 
Regards, 
Gigi 

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> Hi,
> As I have said, I am thinking about switching to the Mac and have been trying 
> to gather more information about it.  To that end, I have been asking 
> specific questions.  I will continue to do that but I would like some general 
> feedback from people who have made the switch from Windows to the Mac.  Why 
> did you switch In the first place?  Having switched, do you feel that it was 
> the right choice for you?  Do any of you regret having switched or have you 
> even gone back to the PC?
> Thanks,
> Scott Duck
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Re: Hazel Discussion

2014-04-06 Thread Nicholas Parsons 
Hi Teresa,

Automator can create folders which it watches and then performs certain actions 
if a file is placed in that folder. Hazel is different in that it will perform 
the action only if the given conditions are met, and these conditions are quite 
powerful. Moreover, it is easier to setup as you just select the folder you 
want Hazel to watch from the Hazel system preference pane, and then add the 
rules. A bit like Rules in Apple Mail for Mac. You can download and trial it 
for free if you're interested in how it differs from Automator.

Best,
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Re: Experience Switching to Mac

2014-04-06 Thread Kerri 
but what does this have to do with switching in all due respect?

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On Apr 6, 2014, at 7:56 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:

> Screen readers are complicated to learn. They require one to think very 
> differently about accessing computers. Newly blind people can easily spend 
> months learning the extremely different interface that the screen reader 
> provides. It is not at all intuitive. It requires an extreme amount of 
> memorisation. 
> 
> Learning braille, on the other hand, is comparably easier. The structure is 
> quite similar to print. The main differences are, learning dot patterns 
> rather than line and curl patterns, and learning to feel rather than see the 
> symbols.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 6 Apr 2014, at 21:52, April  wrote:
> 
>> Hello.  About ten months ago, I was declared legally blind.  I have been on 
>> the search for a full diagnosis and prognosis since.  No luck.
>> 
>> In December, when my Windows 7 machine became totally unstable, and had been 
>> reformatted three times in less than a month, I bought a  Mac.  I figured, 
>> if I had to learn a screen reader, it was best to do so on one where the 
>> screen reader came built in.
>> 
>> So far, no luck learning how to use the screen reader though.  I can turn on 
>> and off.  That's about it.  I have a 40 page list of random commands, and 
>> can't figure out what any of the are supposed to do.  A dictionary would 
>> help.  Perhaps the lines above or below that don't make sense are supposed 
>> to tell me what they do?  
>> 
>> I used to be a web designer, and I thought a screen reader should be easy to 
>> learn to use.  After all, I'm good with with computers.  
>> 
>> I'm also horrible with foreign languages, and figured braille would be 
>> impossible to learn.  I started the first contracted braille book I'm 
>> reading last night.  I started learning braille last November.
>> 
>> I still use a Windows 7 computer at night.  It takes about 15 minutes to 
>> turn on, and every scroll of the screen takes forever.  I don't count on it 
>> for anything.
>> 
>> On Saturday, April 5, 2014 4:11:11 PM UTC-4, Scott Duck wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> As I have said, I am thinking about switching to the Mac and have been 
>> trying to gather more information about it.  To that end, I have been asking 
>> specific questions.  I will continue to do that but I would like some 
>> general feedback from people who have made the switch from Windows to the 
>> Mac.  Why did you switch In the first place?  Having switched, do you feel 
>> that it was the right choice for you?  Do any of you regret having switched 
>> or have you even gone back to the PC?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Scott Duck
>> 
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Re: Hazel Discussion

2014-04-06 Thread Deb Lewis 
Yes, hazel is exactly what I need. I hve Microsoft One Drive which has
been syncing my work documents across my Pcs and Mac. My office is
moving to One Drive Pro but there's no Mac option yet. so, I plan to
maintain my One Drive across tdevices as appropriate, but I need
certain files to replicate in both locations. I could use a naming
convention or a particular subfolder and Hazel could theoretically
copy them to the other folder on the Mac.
Now, couldn't I also do this with Keyboard Maestro or what am I
missing? I haven't purchased either of them yet.

On 4/6/14, Nicholas Parsons  wrote:
> Hi Teresa,
>
> Automator can create folders which it watches and then performs certain
> actions if a file is placed in that folder. Hazel is different in that it
> will perform the action only if the given conditions are met, and these
> conditions are quite powerful. Moreover, it is easier to setup as you just
> select the folder you want Hazel to watch from the Hazel system preference
> pane, and then add the rules. A bit like Rules in Apple Mail for Mac. You
> can download and trial it for free if you're interested in how it differs
> from Automator.
>
> Best,
> Nic
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Re: excuse me microsoft one nore is updated

2014-04-06 Thread Dionipher Presas Herrera 
actually i cant see it everywhere, cant see it on my desktop, where do you 
actually see that?
On 06 Apr 2014, at 08:30 pm, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Hi there 
> I had a situation once similar to what you are describing. Is this program 
> listed on your ndesktop as a volume? If it is, you may have to put your 
> cursor on top of it and press command e to eject the volume off your desktop. 
> I had this happen once with a piece of software, and that's what I had to do. 
> The fvolume was still listed on my desktop, even though Ihad uninstalled the 
> program. 
> 
> Regards,
> Gigi 
> 
> On Apr 6, 2014, at 6:18 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
> wrote:
> 
>> can somebody help me get rid of it, i already uninstall the program and 
>> still kepss saying that. it is very annoying
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Re: Experience Switching to Mac

2014-04-06 Thread David Chittenden 
Please read the message I responded to.

What it has to do with switching to the mac is, screen readers are complex and 
complicated to learn, especially for someone who has never used a screen reader 
before. That said, even most people who used screen readers on windows struggle 
quite a bit when they first transition to the mac because the screen reader 
interface is completely different. Therefore, it is absolutely essential that 
the person switching have lots of patience, especially with themselves, because 
it takes lots of mental energy / focus to learn something completely new. It 
also takes lots of repetition. 

The last point, comparing print and braille, was a direct response to the 
person's confusion about why she has found it easier to learn braille than 
learning VoiceOver. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 7 Apr 2014, at 8:49, Kerri  wrote:
> 
> but what does this have to do with switching in all due respect?
> 
>   ***
> "Thousands of years ago, cats were worshiped as gods. They have never
> forgotten this."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2014, at 7:56 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> Screen readers are complicated to learn. They require one to think very 
>> differently about accessing computers. Newly blind people can easily spend 
>> months learning the extremely different interface that the screen reader 
>> provides. It is not at all intuitive. It requires an extreme amount of 
>> memorisation. 
>> 
>> Learning braille, on the other hand, is comparably easier. The structure is 
>> quite similar to print. The main differences are, learning dot patterns 
>> rather than line and curl patterns, and learning to feel rather than see the 
>> symbols.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 6 Apr 2014, at 21:52, April  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello.  About ten months ago, I was declared legally blind.  I have been on 
>>> the search for a full diagnosis and prognosis since.  No luck.
>>> 
>>> In December, when my Windows 7 machine became totally unstable, and had 
>>> been reformatted three times in less than a month, I bought a  Mac.  I 
>>> figured, if I had to learn a screen reader, it was best to do so on one 
>>> where the screen reader came built in.
>>> 
>>> So far, no luck learning how to use the screen reader though.  I can turn 
>>> on and off.  That's about it.  I have a 40 page list of random commands, 
>>> and can't figure out what any of the are supposed to do.  A dictionary 
>>> would help.  Perhaps the lines above or below that don't make sense are 
>>> supposed to tell me what they do?  
>>> 
>>> I used to be a web designer, and I thought a screen reader should be easy 
>>> to learn to use.  After all, I'm good with with computers.  
>>> 
>>> I'm also horrible with foreign languages, and figured braille would be 
>>> impossible to learn.  I started the first contracted braille book I'm 
>>> reading last night.  I started learning braille last November.
>>> 
>>> I still use a Windows 7 computer at night.  It takes about 15 minutes to 
>>> turn on, and every scroll of the screen takes forever.  I don't count on it 
>>> for anything.
>>> 
 On Saturday, April 5, 2014 4:11:11 PM UTC-4, Scott Duck wrote:
 Hi,
 
 As I have said, I am thinking about switching to the Mac and have been 
 trying to gather more information about it.  To that end, I have been 
 asking specific questions.  I will continue to do that but I would like 
 some general feedback from people who have made the switch from Windows to 
 the Mac.  Why did you switch In the first place?  Having switched, do you 
 feel that it was the right choice for you?  Do any of you regret having 
 switched or have you even gone back to the PC?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Scott Duck
 
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RE: Experience Switching to Mac

2014-04-06 Thread BBS 
Well April, my offr is still on the table. If you like, I can teach you how to 
use Voiceover. That goes for anyone that wants my help. Email me off list and 
we’ll set something up.

 

 

Shawn

Sent From My White MacBook

 

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On Behalf Of April
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2014 4:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience Switching to Mac

 

Hello.  About ten months ago, I was declared legally blind.  I have been on the 
search for a full diagnosis and prognosis since.  No luck.

In December, when my Windows 7 machine became totally unstable, and had been 
reformatted three times in less than a month, I bought a  Mac.  I figured, if I 
had to learn a screen reader, it was best to do so on one where the screen 
reader came built in.

So far, no luck learning how to use the screen reader though.  I can turn on 
and off.  That's about it.  I have a 40 page list of random commands, and can't 
figure out what any of the are supposed to do.  A dictionary would help.  
Perhaps the lines above or below that don't make sense are supposed to tell me 
what they do?  

I used to be a web designer, and I thought a screen reader should be easy to 
learn to use.  After all, I'm good with with computers.  

I'm also horrible with foreign languages, and figured braille would be 
impossible to learn.  I started the first contracted braille book I'm reading 
last night.  I started learning braille last November.

I still use a Windows 7 computer at night.  It takes about 15 minutes to turn 
on, and every scroll of the screen takes forever.  I don't count on it for 
anything.

On Saturday, April 5, 2014 4:11:11 PM UTC-4, Scott Duck wrote:

Hi,

As I have said, I am thinking about switching to the Mac and have been trying 
to gather more information about it.  To that end, I have been asking specific 
questions.  I will continue to do that but I would like some general feedback 
from people who have made the switch from Windows to the Mac.  Why did you 
switch In the first place?  Having switched, do you feel that it was the right 
choice for you?  Do any of you regret having switched or have you even gone 
back to the PC?

Thanks,

Scott Duck

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Re: Keyboard Maestro Actions Question

2014-04-06 Thread Jim Gatteys 
and what a great old tv show it was too.

On Apr 6, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Keith Watson  wrote:

> Deb,
> 
> Sure, I have no problem with discussing KM or Hazel or any other Automation 
> app on list, or off list.
> 
> Just for your edification, Hazel is a Daemon that watches folders for 
> specific things and then performs an action based on the result. For 
> instance, on my Air I have Hazel watch the Downloads folder for files ending 
> in torrent. When she see's one she moves it to a folder named Sync. That 
> folder is synced with a folder on my Mini using an app called BTSync. When 
> Hazel on my Mini sees the file show up she grabs it an moves it to the folder 
> that my torrent client is watching. The file is then downloaded. All without 
> me doing anything except downloading the torrent file. 
> 
> This is just one example of what she can do. I have her filing and processing 
> all sorts of things. And if you are wondering why I am referring to her as a 
> she, its because I am old enough to remember the TV show of the same name. 
> Oops guess I just dated myself.
> 
> Keith
>  
> On Apr 6, 2014, at 9:01 AM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
> 
>> A friend recommended that I consider Hazel as a way of resolving some of my 
>> problems with various tasks. So, I' d appreciate it a lot if you guys would 
>> have that discussion right here since this is an application I know 
>> virtually nothing about. Meanwhile, I'm going to Google it down so I can 
>> learn what i can on my own. 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 6, 2014, at 4:28 AM, Keith Watson  wrote:
>> 
>>> Emilio,
>>> 
>>> Sure, not a problem. My email address is tkwat...@me.com and I would be 
>>> glad to help out where I can. This goes for anyone out there that is 
>>> looking to increase their knowledge about using a Mac to automate their 
>>> lives. I am a fanatic about this subject.
>>> 
>>> Keith
>>> 
>>> On Apr 6, 2014, at 5:58 AM, Emilio  wrote:
>>> 
 Keith,
 
 Thank you for that bit of info because that is the step I was not 
 understanding well.
 Appreciate the podcast by the way.
 
 P.S. From what I understand you use Hazel. It is a great application, do 
 you have any tips how I can configure this program to work better for me 
 because some things I am not understanding well. Perhaps we can chat 
 off-list so as not to bombard the group.
 
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retrieving past versions of files from Dropbox

2014-04-06 Thread Phil Halton 
According to dropbox help, you can retrieve past versions of files (for 30 
days, or unlimited with Packrat feature), but I can't seem to work it out. 
There's supposed to be a item in a files context menu (on website), but I can't 
find anything that looks like prior versioning. Has anyone successfully 
retrieved prior file versions from there dropbox account?

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Re: Experience Switching to Mac

2014-04-06 Thread Dan Eickmeier 
I've been using a Mac here since February of 2008, and have not  had any
reason to switch back to Windows.  Like a lot of people on this thread, , I got 
tired of having to pay to keep a JAWS SMA updated, and I also had it with their 
system of ILM authorizations.  I too, had  to have my activations  reset a 
number of times as well.  And what got me really interested, and wanting to go 
to the Mac, is the fact that we can do complete reformats, and OS installs with 
VoiceOver.  Even with the unattended install scripts that are out there for 
Windows,  and that Winstaller app, which has become popular now, we still have 
nothing close to being able to get the  OS, and do an install with full speech, 
or even Braille.  
On Apr 6, 2014, at 6:59 PM, BBS  wrote:

> Well April, my offr is still on the table. If you like, I can teach you how 
> to use Voiceover. That goes for anyone that wants my help. Email me off list 
> and we'll set something up.
>  
>  
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of April
> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2014 4:52 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Experience Switching to Mac
>  
> Hello.  About ten months ago, I was declared legally blind.  I have been on 
> the search for a full diagnosis and prognosis since.  No luck.
> 
> In December, when my Windows 7 machine became totally unstable, and had been 
> reformatted three times in less than a month, I bought a  Mac.  I figured, if 
> I had to learn a screen reader, it was best to do so on one where the screen 
> reader came built in.
> 
> So far, no luck learning how to use the screen reader though.  I can turn on 
> and off.  That's about it.  I have a 40 page list of random commands, and 
> can't figure out what any of the are supposed to do.  A dictionary would 
> help.  Perhaps the lines above or below that don't make sense are supposed to 
> tell me what they do?  
> 
> I used to be a web designer, and I thought a screen reader should be easy to 
> learn to use.  After all, I'm good with with computers.  
> 
> I'm also horrible with foreign languages, and figured braille would be 
> impossible to learn.  I started the first contracted braille book I'm reading 
> last night.  I started learning braille last November.
> 
> I still use a Windows 7 computer at night.  It takes about 15 minutes to turn 
> on, and every scroll of the screen takes forever.  I don't count on it for 
> anything.
> 
> On Saturday, April 5, 2014 4:11:11 PM UTC-4, Scott Duck wrote:
> Hi,
> As I have said, I am thinking about switching to the Mac and have been trying 
> to gather more information about it.  To that end, I have been asking 
> specific questions.  I will continue to do that but I would like some general 
> feedback from people who have made the switch from Windows to the Mac.  Why 
> did you switch In the first place?  Having switched, do you feel that it was 
> the right choice for you?  Do any of you regret having switched or have you 
> even gone back to the PC?
> Thanks,
> Scott Duck
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Re: Hazel Discussion

2014-04-06 Thread Keith Watson 
Nick,

Theoretically you could use KM to do what Hazel does. But it would be like 
using a hammer to chop down a tree. The hatchet is a much better tool for the 
job. Hazel does a particular type of job well so why not use the better tool.

Here let me give you an example of a task that Hazel does that KM can't, or at 
least Peter Lewis has yet to introduce the functionality. Scott mentioned my 
AT&T workflow on the podcast we did. The very last part of that flow is for 
Hazel to move the file into my AT&T folder. She then looks inside the pdf for a 
particular string. Due date and Amount Due. This is a way cool work around for 
functionality that Hazel does not have. I have her rename the file to something 
like this.

April|13|2014|$165

So now she can parse that filename into variables in an AppleScript, use those 
variables to build an email and calendar event, send the email and put the 
event into my shared calendar so my wife does not forget to pay it by the due 
date. She then renames the file back to a name that reflects the month the bill 
is for and then moves it off into a subfolder for the year. Crap that was hard 
to put into words! The point is that all I physically did to get all that done 
was type a command option a and put in a password. If I were not so stubborn I 
would let the password be entered from my keychain and be done with it. I am 
not yet trusting enough for jumping off that cliff.

So to sum it up, I use KM to do the heavy lifting of going out and getting the 
bill from the AT&T site. Hazel then takes over and manipulates the hell out of 
it. I absolutely get an endorphin rush every time I do this for my AT&T and 
Verizon bills. I freaking hated taking the time to do this every month.

Here's another KM Macro I wrote today. I own a WeMo thanks to the MPU podcast. 
The latest version of the IOS app is broken. I can no longer turn it on or off 
or create schedules through the app. To hell with them. I now have a hot key 
that will toggle it for me and if I need to schedule it I can either create a 
launchedD  task or use IFTTT to do what I need. My choice.

Hi my name is Keith and I am an Automation addict!

On Apr 6, 2014, at 4:54 PM, Deb Lewis  wrote:

> Yes, hazel is exactly what I need. I hve Microsoft One Drive which has
> been syncing my work documents across my Pcs and Mac. My office is
> moving to One Drive Pro but there's no Mac option yet. so, I plan to
> maintain my One Drive across tdevices as appropriate, but I need
> certain files to replicate in both locations. I could use a naming
> convention or a particular subfolder and Hazel could theoretically
> copy them to the other folder on the Mac.
> Now, couldn't I also do this with Keyboard Maestro or what am I
> missing? I haven't purchased either of them yet.
> 
> On 4/6/14, Nicholas Parsons  wrote:
>> Hi Teresa,
>> 
>> Automator can create folders which it watches and then performs certain
>> actions if a file is placed in that folder. Hazel is different in that it
>> will perform the action only if the given conditions are met, and these
>> conditions are quite powerful. Moreover, it is easier to setup as you just
>> select the folder you want Hazel to watch from the Hazel system preference
>> pane, and then add the rules. A bit like Rules in Apple Mail for Mac. You
>> can download and trial it for free if you're interested in how it differs
>> from Automator.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Nic
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Re: Hazel Discussion

2014-04-06 Thread Keith Watson 
Oops, addressed that last note to Nick instead of Deb. Friggin rookie blind guy 
mistake. Preaching to the choir by addressing it to Nick. 
On Apr 6, 2014, at 4:27 PM, Nicholas Parsons  
wrote:

> Hi Teresa,
> 
> Automator can create folders which it watches and then performs certain 
> actions if a file is placed in that folder. Hazel is different in that it 
> will perform the action only if the given conditions are met, and these 
> conditions are quite powerful. Moreover, it is easier to setup as you just 
> select the folder you want Hazel to watch from the Hazel system preference 
> pane, and then add the rules. A bit like Rules in Apple Mail for Mac. You can 
> download and trial it for free if you're interested in how it differs from 
> Automator.
> 
> Best,
> Nic
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Re: Keyboard Maestro Actions Question

2014-04-06 Thread Keith Watson 
Sure was. And if I threw Mainard G. Crebbs out there would I really be dating 
myself?

And just so I don't get accused of straying away from the Mac angle follow 
along with this thought run. Mainard G. Crebbs = Gilligan = Bob Denber = Denver 
Colorado = Mountain Standard Time = Mountain Lion? Was that less than 7?

Keith

On Apr 6, 2014, at 7:18 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:

> and what a great old tv show it was too.
> 
> On Apr 6, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Keith Watson  wrote:
> 
>> Deb,
>> 
>> Sure, I have no problem with discussing KM or Hazel or any other Automation 
>> app on list, or off list.
>> 
>> Just for your edification, Hazel is a Daemon that watches folders for 
>> specific things and then performs an action based on the result. For 
>> instance, on my Air I have Hazel watch the Downloads folder for files ending 
>> in torrent. When she see's one she moves it to a folder named Sync. That 
>> folder is synced with a folder on my Mini using an app called BTSync. When 
>> Hazel on my Mini sees the file show up she grabs it an moves it to the 
>> folder that my torrent client is watching. The file is then downloaded. All 
>> without me doing anything except downloading the torrent file. 
>> 
>> This is just one example of what she can do. I have her filing and 
>> processing all sorts of things. And if you are wondering why I am referring 
>> to her as a she, its because I am old enough to remember the TV show of the 
>> same name. Oops guess I just dated myself.
>> 
>> Keith
>> 
>> On Apr 6, 2014, at 9:01 AM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>> 
>>> A friend recommended that I consider Hazel as a way of resolving some of my 
>>> problems with various tasks. So, I' d appreciate it a lot if you guys would 
>>> have that discussion right here since this is an application I know 
>>> virtually nothing about. Meanwhile, I'm going to Google it down so I can 
>>> learn what i can on my own. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 6, 2014, at 4:28 AM, Keith Watson  wrote:
>>> 
 Emilio,
 
 Sure, not a problem. My email address is tkwat...@me.com and I would be 
 glad to help out where I can. This goes for anyone out there that is 
 looking to increase their knowledge about using a Mac to automate their 
 lives. I am a fanatic about this subject.
 
 Keith
 
 On Apr 6, 2014, at 5:58 AM, Emilio  wrote:
 
> Keith,
> 
> Thank you for that bit of info because that is the step I was not 
> understanding well.
> Appreciate the podcast by the way.
> 
> P.S. From what I understand you use Hazel. It is a great application, do 
> you have any tips how I can configure this program to work better for me 
> because some things I am not understanding well. Perhaps we can chat 
> off-list so as not to bombard the group.
> 
> Thanks.
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Re: Experience Switching to Mac

2014-04-06 Thread Phil Halton 
Personally, I'm still having a tough time with word processing on the Mac. I 
want to like and use pages, but I can't figure out styles and formatting using 
pages. I still haven't found anything that compares with MS office and JAWS for 
writing and formatting documents. JAWS really does work well with Word and 
there's no getting around that. Pages seems clunky by comparison, but I 
probably haven't given it a fair chance. Spreadsheeting with numbers is great, 
but word processing is still a major deficit on the Mac in my opinion.

On Apr 6, 2014, at 9:09 PM, Dan Eickmeier  wrote:

> I've been using a Mac here since February of 2008, and have not  had any
> reason to switch back to Windows.  Like a lot of people on this thread, , I 
> got tired of having to pay to keep a JAWS SMA updated, and I also had it with 
> their system of ILM authorizations.  I too, had  to have my activations  
> reset a number of times as well.  And what got me really interested, and 
> wanting to go to the Mac, is the fact that we can do complete reformats, and 
> OS installs with VoiceOver.  Even with the unattended install scripts that 
> are out there for Windows,  and that Winstaller app, which has become popular 
> now, we still have nothing close to being able to get the  OS, and do an 
> install with full speech, or even Braille.  
> On Apr 6, 2014, at 6:59 PM, BBS  wrote:
> 
>> Well April, my offr is still on the table. If you like, I can teach you how 
>> to use Voiceover. That goes for anyone that wants my help. Email me off list 
>> and we'll set something up.
>> 
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of April
>> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2014 4:52 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Experience Switching to Mac
>> 
>> Hello.  About ten months ago, I was declared legally blind.  I have been on 
>> the search for a full diagnosis and prognosis since.  No luck.
>> 
>> In December, when my Windows 7 machine became totally unstable, and had been 
>> reformatted three times in less than a month, I bought a  Mac.  I figured, 
>> if I had to learn a screen reader, it was best to do so on one where the 
>> screen reader came built in.
>> 
>> So far, no luck learning how to use the screen reader though.  I can turn on 
>> and off.  That's about it.  I have a 40 page list of random commands, and 
>> can't figure out what any of the are supposed to do.  A dictionary would 
>> help.  Perhaps the lines above or below that don't make sense are supposed 
>> to tell me what they do?  
>> 
>> I used to be a web designer, and I thought a screen reader should be easy to 
>> learn to use.  After all, I'm good with with computers.  
>> 
>> I'm also horrible with foreign languages, and figured braille would be 
>> impossible to learn.  I started the first contracted braille book I'm 
>> reading last night.  I started learning braille last November.
>> 
>> I still use a Windows 7 computer at night.  It takes about 15 minutes to 
>> turn on, and every scroll of the screen takes forever.  I don't count on it 
>> for anything.
>> 
>> On Saturday, April 5, 2014 4:11:11 PM UTC-4, Scott Duck wrote:
>> Hi,
>> As I have said, I am thinking about switching to the Mac and have been 
>> trying to gather more information about it.  To that end, I have been asking 
>> specific questions.  I will continue to do that but I would like some 
>> general feedback from people who have made the switch from Windows to the 
>> Mac.  Why did you switch In the first place?  Having switched, do you feel 
>> that it was the right choice for you?  Do any of you regret having switched 
>> or have you even gone back to the PC?
>> Thanks,
>> Scott Duck
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Re: Experience Switching to Mac

2014-04-06 Thread Devin Prater 
I don't see what the fuss is. I was able to make good documents, for a history 
class. I could allign things, italicize, make headings and such. What else 
would you want to do? 

Sent from my iPod

> On Apr 6, 2014, at 21:06, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> Personally, I'm still having a tough time with word processing on the Mac. I 
> want to like and use pages, but I can't figure out styles and formatting 
> using pages. I still haven't found anything that compares with MS office and 
> JAWS for writing and formatting documents. JAWS really does work well with 
> Word and there's no getting around that. Pages seems clunky by comparison, 
> but I probably haven't given it a fair chance. Spreadsheeting with numbers is 
> great, but word processing is still a major deficit on the Mac in my opinion.
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2014, at 9:09 PM, Dan Eickmeier  wrote:
>> 
>> I've been using a Mac here since February of 2008, and have not  had any
>> reason to switch back to Windows.  Like a lot of people on this thread, , I 
>> got tired of having to pay to keep a JAWS SMA updated, and I also had it 
>> with their system of ILM authorizations.  I too, had  to have my activations 
>>  reset a number of times as well.  And what got me really interested, and 
>> wanting to go to the Mac, is the fact that we can do complete reformats, and 
>> OS installs with VoiceOver.  Even with the unattended install scripts that 
>> are out there for Windows,  and that Winstaller app, which has become 
>> popular now, we still have nothing close to being able to get the  OS, and 
>> do an install with full speech, or even Braille.  
>>> On Apr 6, 2014, at 6:59 PM, BBS  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well April, my offr is still on the table. If you like, I can teach you how 
>>> to use Voiceover. That goes for anyone that wants my help. Email me off 
>>> list and we'll set something up.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of April
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2014 4:52 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Experience Switching to Mac
>>> 
>>> Hello.  About ten months ago, I was declared legally blind.  I have been on 
>>> the search for a full diagnosis and prognosis since.  No luck.
>>> 
>>> In December, when my Windows 7 machine became totally unstable, and had 
>>> been reformatted three times in less than a month, I bought a  Mac.  I 
>>> figured, if I had to learn a screen reader, it was best to do so on one 
>>> where the screen reader came built in.
>>> 
>>> So far, no luck learning how to use the screen reader though.  I can turn 
>>> on and off.  That's about it.  I have a 40 page list of random commands, 
>>> and can't figure out what any of the are supposed to do.  A dictionary 
>>> would help.  Perhaps the lines above or below that don't make sense are 
>>> supposed to tell me what they do?  
>>> 
>>> I used to be a web designer, and I thought a screen reader should be easy 
>>> to learn to use.  After all, I'm good with with computers.  
>>> 
>>> I'm also horrible with foreign languages, and figured braille would be 
>>> impossible to learn.  I started the first contracted braille book I'm 
>>> reading last night.  I started learning braille last November.
>>> 
>>> I still use a Windows 7 computer at night.  It takes about 15 minutes to 
>>> turn on, and every scroll of the screen takes forever.  I don't count on it 
>>> for anything.
>>> 
>>> On Saturday, April 5, 2014 4:11:11 PM UTC-4, Scott Duck wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> As I have said, I am thinking about switching to the Mac and have been 
>>> trying to gather more information about it.  To that end, I have been 
>>> asking specific questions.  I will continue to do that but I would like 
>>> some general feedback from people who have made the switch from Windows to 
>>> the Mac.  Why did you switch In the first place?  Having switched, do you 
>>> feel that it was the right choice for you?  Do any of you regret having 
>>> switched or have you even gone back to the PC?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Scott Duck
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Keyboard Maestro question

2014-04-06 Thread Emilio Hernandez 
Hello Keith and others,

If I am understanding correctly, recording a macro basically is me executing a 
series of keyboard commands that Keyboard Maestro can use to compile a custom 
macro?
I am a little hesitant to record because if I am remembering correctly from the 
podcast that once the macro has been created I need to immediately exit out of 
the record area, so as not to alter a Voiceover keystroke by accident?
I know that pressing "CTRL-F1" will toggle between the record and stop-record 
feature, but I am unsure when I will know when the feature is activated because 
Voiceover did not give any indication that the feature has been enabled. Hence, 
I just do not want to screw anything up because once I accidentally enabled 
sticky keys, which was a B**ch to disable using only a keyboard.
Essentially, I just want to record a macro that either is toggled on and off by 
the launch of an application or keystroke. However, I feel this request will be 
a little complex because it will involve changing the system input and output 
sounds; hence, the ability of recording the macro because the feature is not 
available within the system control area of KBM.

Thanks for any help you can provide.

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garage band and keyboard.

2014-04-06 Thread Sandi Jazmin Kruse 
hi, as the subject line says, which keyboard so y'all use with garage
band if any? also, when i get the right one do i just connect it via
the usb port?
Thanks in advance.

Sandi

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Re: getting started with garageband

2014-04-06 Thread CJ Daniel 
Hi,

Hit return, Carriage Return, to move to bar 1, beat 1, tic 1; before you paste 
your loop.

Good luck,

CJ


On Apr 6, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Venkatesh Potluri  wrote:

> Hi list.
> I am very happy about the fact that the new garage band is accessible.
> I am getting started with garageband. I wish to know the list of
> things that can and can not be done with garageband and VO. For
> starters, I tried to drag a loop into one of the tracks and the loop
> got inserted after a few bars in the track. That is, the first few
> bars are empty. How do i fix this? How do I go about creating new
> loops? Is there any podcast or tutorial that explains using garageband
> with VO?  These are just a few questions.
> Any help would be greatly appreciated. :)
> Cheers
> Venkatesh Potluri
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Re: Experience Switching to Mac

2014-04-06 Thread Lisette Wesseling 
Another deficit on the Mac is braille translation and music braille 
translation. I have to continue to use Windows for this.
I have also not found a way of importing my old Outlook Express emails into Mac 
Mail. Supposedly some expensive apps do this, but it's not guaranteed to work 
so haven't spent the money. Wy Apple doesn't make this work I don't know.
That said, I love the Mac and use it exclusively for my personal needs. It's 
just some professional tasks I still need Windows for. This includes word 
processing which I, too find clunky on the Mac. But, maybe I need to take a 
course and learn it properly.

Lisette

On 7/04/2014, at 2:06 pm, Phil Halton  wrote:

> Personally, I'm still having a tough time with word processing on the Mac. I 
> want to like and use pages, but I can't figure out styles and formatting 
> using pages. I still haven't found anything that compares with MS office and 
> JAWS for writing and formatting documents. JAWS really does work well with 
> Word and there's no getting around that. Pages seems clunky by comparison, 
> but I probably haven't given it a fair chance. Spreadsheeting with numbers is 
> great, but word processing is still a major deficit on the Mac in my opinion.
> 
> On Apr 6, 2014, at 9:09 PM, Dan Eickmeier  wrote:
> 
>> I've been using a Mac here since February of 2008, and have not  had any
>> reason to switch back to Windows.  Like a lot of people on this thread, , I 
>> got tired of having to pay to keep a JAWS SMA updated, and I also had it 
>> with their system of ILM authorizations.  I too, had  to have my activations 
>>  reset a number of times as well.  And what got me really interested, and 
>> wanting to go to the Mac, is the fact that we can do complete reformats, and 
>> OS installs with VoiceOver.  Even with the unattended install scripts that 
>> are out there for Windows,  and that Winstaller app, which has become 
>> popular now, we still have nothing close to being able to get the  OS, and 
>> do an install with full speech, or even Braille.  
>> On Apr 6, 2014, at 6:59 PM, BBS  wrote:
>> 
>>> Well April, my offr is still on the table. If you like, I can teach you how 
>>> to use Voiceover. That goes for anyone that wants my help. Email me off 
>>> list and we'll set something up.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of April
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2014 4:52 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Experience Switching to Mac
>>> 
>>> Hello.  About ten months ago, I was declared legally blind.  I have been on 
>>> the search for a full diagnosis and prognosis since.  No luck.
>>> 
>>> In December, when my Windows 7 machine became totally unstable, and had 
>>> been reformatted three times in less than a month, I bought a  Mac.  I 
>>> figured, if I had to learn a screen reader, it was best to do so on one 
>>> where the screen reader came built in.
>>> 
>>> So far, no luck learning how to use the screen reader though.  I can turn 
>>> on and off.  That's about it.  I have a 40 page list of random commands, 
>>> and can't figure out what any of the are supposed to do.  A dictionary 
>>> would help.  Perhaps the lines above or below that don't make sense are 
>>> supposed to tell me what they do?  
>>> 
>>> I used to be a web designer, and I thought a screen reader should be easy 
>>> to learn to use.  After all, I'm good with with computers.  
>>> 
>>> I'm also horrible with foreign languages, and figured braille would be 
>>> impossible to learn.  I started the first contracted braille book I'm 
>>> reading last night.  I started learning braille last November.
>>> 
>>> I still use a Windows 7 computer at night.  It takes about 15 minutes to 
>>> turn on, and every scroll of the screen takes forever.  I don't count on it 
>>> for anything.
>>> 
>>> On Saturday, April 5, 2014 4:11:11 PM UTC-4, Scott Duck wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> As I have said, I am thinking about switching to the Mac and have been 
>>> trying to gather more information about it.  To that end, I have been 
>>> asking specific questions.  I will continue to do that but I would like 
>>> some general feedback from people who have made the switch from Windows to 
>>> the Mac.  Why did you switch In the first place?  Having switched, do you 
>>> feel that it was the right choice for you?  Do any of you regret having 
>>> switched or have you even gone back to the PC?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Scott Duck
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Re: Experience Switching to Mac

2014-04-06 Thread Pamela Francis 
Hi everyone,
It sounds as if we have all had varying experiences with an reasons for 
changing to a mac.

We all have different means of learning as well as different paces we learn. I 
think also changing under any circumstances requires a major degree of 
commitment that one must truly consider before making the change. There are 
plenty of resources out there for one to learn to use voiceover be they 
Podcasts or blogs etc.
This first link is the help file directly from Apple's support site with the 
table of contents for learning to use voice over. Is broken down by chapter and 
very easy to use.

http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.9/English.lproj/index.html

The next link is to a website and podcast by Ceretec Corporation. It is called 
triple click home. The blog and podcast is very well worth checking out.

http://tripleclickhome.com

This link is to a site by a voiceover trainer. It's called Macfortheblind.com

http://macfortheblind.com/?p=1404
It helps familiarize a new user with interacting on the Mac.

The final link is from a gentleman from Australia who has done many Podcasts 
dealing with various issues with voiceover on the iPhone and the Mac. His 
material is well worth listening to and learning from.

http://davidwoodbr.podbean.com
I hope this is been helpful.


Pam Francis

On Apr 6, 2014, at 9:10 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:

I don't see what the fuss is. I was able to make good documents, for a history 
class. I could allign things, italicize, make headings and such. What else 
would you want to do? 

Sent from my iPod

> On Apr 6, 2014, at 21:06, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> Personally, I'm still having a tough time with word processing on the Mac. I 
> want to like and use pages, but I can't figure out styles and formatting 
> using pages. I still haven't found anything that compares with MS office and 
> JAWS for writing and formatting documents. JAWS really does work well with 
> Word and there's no getting around that. Pages seems clunky by comparison, 
> but I probably haven't given it a fair chance. Spreadsheeting with numbers is 
> great, but word processing is still a major deficit on the Mac in my opinion.
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2014, at 9:09 PM, Dan Eickmeier  wrote:
>> 
>> I've been using a Mac here since February of 2008, and have not  had any
>> reason to switch back to Windows.  Like a lot of people on this thread, , I 
>> got tired of having to pay to keep a JAWS SMA updated, and I also had it 
>> with their system of ILM authorizations.  I too, had  to have my activations 
>>  reset a number of times as well.  And what got me really interested, and 
>> wanting to go to the Mac, is the fact that we can do complete reformats, and 
>> OS installs with VoiceOver.  Even with the unattended install scripts that 
>> are out there for Windows,  and that Winstaller app, which has become 
>> popular now, we still have nothing close to being able to get the  OS, and 
>> do an install with full speech, or even Braille.  
>>> On Apr 6, 2014, at 6:59 PM, BBS  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well April, my offr is still on the table. If you like, I can teach you how 
>>> to use Voiceover. That goes for anyone that wants my help. Email me off 
>>> list and we'll set something up.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of April
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2014 4:52 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Experience Switching to Mac
>>> 
>>> Hello.  About ten months ago, I was declared legally blind.  I have been on 
>>> the search for a full diagnosis and prognosis since.  No luck.
>>> 
>>> In December, when my Windows 7 machine became totally unstable, and had 
>>> been reformatted three times in less than a month, I bought a  Mac.  I 
>>> figured, if I had to learn a screen reader, it was best to do so on one 
>>> where the screen reader came built in.
>>> 
>>> So far, no luck learning how to use the screen reader though.  I can turn 
>>> on and off.  That's about it.  I have a 40 page list of random commands, 
>>> and can't figure out what any of the are supposed to do.  A dictionary 
>>> would help.  Perhaps the lines above or below that don't make sense are 
>>> supposed to tell me what they do?  
>>> 
>>> I used to be a web designer, and I thought a screen reader should be easy 
>>> to learn to use.  After all, I'm good with with computers.  
>>> 
>>> I'm also horrible with foreign languages, and figured braille would be 
>>> impossible to learn.  I started the first contracted braille book I'm 
>>> reading last night.  I started learning braille last November.
>>> 
>>> I still use a Windows 7 computer at night.  It takes about 15 minutes to 
>>> turn on, and every scroll of the screen takes forever.  I don't count on it 
>>> for anything.
>>> 
>>> On Saturday, April 5, 2014 4:11:11 PM UTC-4, Scott Duck wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> As I have said, I am thinking about switch