An Update About Not Being Able To Download Mavericks

[BBS]

Hi all. I’m finally able to download Mavericks which makes me wonder in these 
past few days was the server jammed with people downloading it? And yes, 
obviously the guy at Apple didn’t know what he was talking about because he 
told me that if this Mac ever bit the big one, I can use recovery mode to 
download it again, that’s what that link was for and why I never bothered 
posting it. So thanks for putting up with my stupid assed questions and that 
comment about it just being an update. BTW, didn’t I read that you needed 
sighted help if you wanted to use recovery mode?

Shawn
Sent From My White Mac Book

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Re: Pages for Mavericks, problems

[Peter Durieux]

Hi listers,

Am I correct, that the Iworks upgrades will be free if you have already an 
installed copy of the software?

kr

-Peter

On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 10:32:24PM +0100, Daniela Rubio wrote:
> Hi all:
> About merging cells, they are still there, fortunately.
> To complete the process, one needs to Control Click to get an onscreen menu. 
> If we select the cells we want to merge and Control click, the context menu 
> shows up and we can navigate down to the Merge Cells option.
> About the hot keys for setting paragraph stiles, I am afraid they have really 
> gone away.
> Hope it helps!
> 
> Daniela Rubio T
> iPhone: +34662328507
> 
> 
> 
> El 27/10/2013, a las 09:18, Nicholas Parsons  
> escribió:
> 
> > If you copy from Pages and paste in Text Edit, will it keep all your 
> > formatting?
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Re: Pages for Mavericks, problems

[Chris H]

Not true. iWorks is only free if you have bought a new mac or iOS device 
after September 1.


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On 28/10/2013 08:34, Peter Durieux wrote:

Hi listers,

Am I correct, that the Iworks upgrades will be free if you have already an 
installed copy of the software?

kr

-Peter

On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 10:32:24PM +0100, Daniela Rubio wrote:

Hi all:
About merging cells, they are still there, fortunately.
To complete the process, one needs to Control Click to get an onscreen menu. If 
we select the cells we want to merge and Control click, the context menu shows 
up and we can navigate down to the Merge Cells option.
About the hot keys for setting paragraph stiles, I am afraid they have really 
gone away.
Hope it helps!

Daniela Rubio T
iPhone: +34662328507



El 27/10/2013, a las 09:18, Nicholas Parsons  
escribió:


If you copy from Pages and paste in Text Edit, will it keep all your formatting?

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Re: Pages for Mavericks, problems

[Anne Robertson]

Actually, it is true that if you already have an installed copy of iWork, the 
upgrade is free. I know this for a fact, because I bought iWork09 when it first 
came out and it was installed on my MBA when I upgraded to Mavericks. I got the 
upgrade of iWork free. The old version must be installed, however. So you must 
install Mavericks on top of your existing OS, at least once, so that the new 
iWork applications go into your purchase history.

Cheers,

Anne


On 28 Oct 2013, at 10:05, Chris H  wrote:

> Not true. iWorks is only free if you have bought a new mac or iOS device 
> after September 1.
> 
> E-mail Facebook and iMessage
> christopher...@gmail.com
> 
> On 28/10/2013 08:34, Peter Durieux wrote:
>> Hi listers,
>> 
>> Am I correct, that the Iworks upgrades will be free if you have already an 
>> installed copy of the software?
>> 
>> kr
>> 
>> -Peter
>> 
>> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 10:32:24PM +0100, Daniela Rubio wrote:
>>> Hi all:
>>> About merging cells, they are still there, fortunately.
>>> To complete the process, one needs to Control Click to get an onscreen 
>>> menu. If we select the cells we want to merge and Control click, the 
>>> context menu shows up and we can navigate down to the Merge Cells option.
>>> About the hot keys for setting paragraph stiles, I am afraid they have 
>>> really gone away.
>>> Hope it helps!
>>> 
>>> Daniela Rubio T
>>> iPhone: +34662328507
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> El 27/10/2013, a las 09:18, Nicholas Parsons 
>>>  escribió:
>>> 
 If you copy from Pages and paste in Text Edit, will it keep all your 
 formatting?
 
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Re: An Update About Not Being Able To Download Mavericks

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, Shawn,

No, you shouldn’t need sighted assistance. Once you load recovery mode, wait a 
couple of minutes and then you can press command-f5. You’ll get Fred, but 
that’s definitely better than no voice at all. And by the way, a USB braille 
display works with it as well.

HtH,
Teresa

Slow down; you'll get there faster.

On Oct 28, 2013, at 12:31 AM, BBS  wrote:

> Hi all. I’m finally able to download Mavericks which makes me wonder in these 
> past few days was the server jammed with people downloading it? And yes, 
> obviously the guy at Apple didn’t know what he was talking about because he 
> told me that if this Mac ever bit the big one, I can use recovery mode to 
> download it again, that’s what that link was for and why I never bothered 
> posting it. So thanks for putting up with my stupid assed questions and that 
> comment about it just being an update. BTW, didn’t I read that you needed 
> sighted help if you wanted to use recovery mode?
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White Mac Book
> 
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Re: Discmaker X for creating OS X bootable drives.

[Daniel Miller]

Hi,
My issue is that VoiceOver tells me that disc maker x has no windows. I must be 
doing something wrong. Help? :)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 27, 2013, at 9:37 PM, Daniel C  wrote:
> 
> I too have issues with DiskMaker x. It creates the disk, but my disk doesn't 
> show up in start up disk to be booted off of. Though, amazingly, it creates 
> the disk just fine.
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Re: Macupdate desktop on mavericks.

[Nicholas Parsons]

Don't most apps have their own automatic check for update feature? Or is it 
mainly for smaller plugins and things that MacUpdate Desktop is useful?

To the person asking about Dropbox—no, Dropbox isn't available from 
MacUpdate.com as it's a free app available only directly from Dropbox.com. If 
you want to update go to Dropbox.com, log in, and click on install—or something 
like that.

Cheers,
Nic

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Re: New Voices in Mavericks (was, Re: os 10.9, is it worth it?)

[Nicholas Parsons]

With the exception of Alex, doesn't it still say the word "capital" before each 
letter even with beeps turned on? Whether pitch change or beeps I don't mind, I 
just don't like it saying "capital" each time as that three syllable word 
before each one syllable letter is horribly verbose and slow.

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RE: Pages for Mavericks, problems

[Kliphton -------]

Really, cause when I signed in to the mac app store after my upgrade, it
told me that numbers, and pages were both being updated.

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris H
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 4:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pages for Mavericks, problems

Not true. iWorks is only free if you have bought a new mac or iOS device
after September 1.

E-mail Facebook and iMessage
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On 28/10/2013 08:34, Peter Durieux wrote:
> Hi listers,
>
> Am I correct, that the Iworks upgrades will be free if you have already an
installed copy of the software?
>
> kr
>
> -Peter
>
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 10:32:24PM +0100, Daniela Rubio wrote:
>> Hi all:
>> About merging cells, they are still there, fortunately.
>> To complete the process, one needs to Control Click to get an onscreen
menu. If we select the cells we want to merge and Control click, the context
menu shows up and we can navigate down to the Merge Cells option.
>> About the hot keys for setting paragraph stiles, I am afraid they have
really gone away.
>> Hope it helps!
>>
>> Daniela Rubio T
>> iPhone: +34662328507
>>
>>
>>
>> El 27/10/2013, a las 09:18, Nicholas Parsons
 escribió:
>>
>>> If you copy from Pages and paste in Text Edit, will it keep all your
formatting?
>>>
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Re: Use iOS shortcuts in Mavericks

[Nicholas Parsons]

That's cool. Is it possible to do it the other way around as well—set up 
shortcuts on your Mac that work on iOS? The iOS short cut preferences must be 
stored somewhere on the Mac—do you know where this is?
Cheers,
Nic

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RE: Discmaker X for creating OS X bootable drives.

[Kliphton -------]

No your not, it tells you that, but give it some time and you will here disc
maker tell you when it is finished.  Are you trying this from mountain lion
or mavericks. 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 5:15 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Discmaker X for creating OS X bootable drives.

Hi,
My issue is that VoiceOver tells me that disc maker x has no windows. I must
be doing something wrong. Help? :)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 27, 2013, at 9:37 PM, Daniel C  wrote:
> 
> I too have issues with DiskMaker x. It creates the disk, but my disk
doesn't show up in start up disk to be booted off of. Though, amazingly, it
creates the disk just fine.
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Re: Discmaker X for creating OS X bootable drives.

[Daniel Miller]

I'm using mavericks. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 28, 2013, at 7:13 AM, Kliphton ---  
> wrote:
> 
> No your not, it tells you that, but give it some time and you will here disc
> maker tell you when it is finished.  Are you trying this from mountain lion
> or mavericks. 
> 
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> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 5:15 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Discmaker X for creating OS X bootable drives.
> 
> Hi,
> My issue is that VoiceOver tells me that disc maker x has no windows. I must
> be doing something wrong. Help? :)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 27, 2013, at 9:37 PM, Daniel C  wrote:
>> 
>> I too have issues with DiskMaker x. It creates the disk, but my disk
> doesn't show up in start up disk to be booted off of. Though, amazingly, it
> creates the disk just fine.
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Re: 1 password podcasts

[Barry Abbott]

Hi Graham. Try the techdoctor podcast by Dr. Robert Carter. I think it was 
around September 2012.

Hope this helps.

Barry
On Oct 27, 2013, at 6:14 PM, Graham Roby  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Can anyone point me to where I might find any podcasts on using 1 password 
> with VoiceOver? 
> 
> I looked on applevis and to my surprise couldn't find any.
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Graham
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Pages for Mavericks, problems

[Matthew Campbell]

Hi everyone.
I wanted to add my voice to Anne’s and say that I got upgraded from iWork 09. I 
also originally purchased it on disk and it was upgraded to the new version 
released with Mavericks.
HTH
Matthew Campbell.
On Oct 28, 2013, at 5:16 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> Actually, it is true that if you already have an installed copy of iWork, the 
> upgrade is free. I know this for a fact, because I bought iWork09 when it 
> first came out and it was installed on my MBA when I upgraded to Mavericks. I 
> got the upgrade of iWork free. The old version must be installed, however. So 
> you must install Mavericks on top of your existing OS, at least once, so that 
> the new iWork applications go into your purchase history.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 28 Oct 2013, at 10:05, Chris H  wrote:
> 
>> Not true. iWorks is only free if you have bought a new mac or iOS device 
>> after September 1.
>> 
>> E-mail Facebook and iMessage
>> christopher...@gmail.com
>> 
>> On 28/10/2013 08:34, Peter Durieux wrote:
>>> Hi listers,
>>> 
>>> Am I correct, that the Iworks upgrades will be free if you have already an 
>>> installed copy of the software?
>>> 
>>> kr
>>> 
>>> -Peter
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 10:32:24PM +0100, Daniela Rubio wrote:
 Hi all:
 About merging cells, they are still there, fortunately.
 To complete the process, one needs to Control Click to get an onscreen 
 menu. If we select the cells we want to merge and Control click, the 
 context menu shows up and we can navigate down to the Merge Cells option.
 About the hot keys for setting paragraph stiles, I am afraid they have 
 really gone away.
 Hope it helps!
 
 Daniela Rubio T
 iPhone: +34662328507
 
 
 
 El 27/10/2013, a las 09:18, Nicholas Parsons 
  escribió:
 
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closing the preview pain in 10.9 still a pain

[Ray Foret Jr]

To the person who found a way to close the preview pain in mail of 10.9, could 
you repost how to do it?  I have tried every piece of advice making sure my 
mouse is on the horizontal splitter while in clasical view and then with the 
track pad commander off, holding the mouse down and sliding to the right.  
Nothing doing.  I tried moving the mouse down after clicking and holding my 
finger on the pad and still nothing changes.  Seems no matter what I do, the 
damn pain just stays there.


Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
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Re: closing the preview pain in 10.9 still a pain

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I did not use the track pad as that wasn't working. 

with the track pad off, find the splitter. When you find it, press VO command 
F5. Then, VO shift spacebar and you should here the mouse click. 

Kawal.

Sent from my I phone

> On 28 Oct 2013, at 01:44 pm, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> To the person who found a way to close the preview pain in mail of 10.9, 
> could you repost how to do it?  I have tried every piece of advice making 
> sure my mouse is on the horizontal splitter while in clasical view and then 
> with the track pad commander off, holding the mouse down and sliding to the 
> right.  Nothing doing.  I tried moving the mouse down after clicking and 
> holding my finger on the pad and still nothing changes.  Seems no matter what 
> I do, the damn pain just stays there.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
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RE: Discmaker X for creating OS X bootable drives.

[Kliphton -------]

That is your issue right there.  You have to use mountain lion to do it.  If
you upgrade first, then try to make the bootable drive, it will not work.  I
had to find this out the hard way.  Luckily I had a time machine backup to
revert too.

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 7:20 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Discmaker X for creating OS X bootable drives.

I'm using mavericks. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 28, 2013, at 7:13 AM, Kliphton --- 
wrote:
> 
> No your not, it tells you that, but give it some time and you will 
> here disc maker tell you when it is finished.  Are you trying this 
> from mountain lion or mavericks.
> 
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> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 5:15 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Discmaker X for creating OS X bootable drives.
> 
> Hi,
> My issue is that VoiceOver tells me that disc maker x has no windows. 
> I must be doing something wrong. Help? :)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 27, 2013, at 9:37 PM, Daniel C  wrote:
>> 
>> I too have issues with DiskMaker x. It creates the disk, but my disk
> doesn't show up in start up disk to be booted off of. Though, 
> amazingly, it creates the disk just fine.
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Re: Discmaker X for creating OS X bootable drives.

[Daniel Miller]

That's weird. The program is compatible with Mavericks. I'll have to userminal 
command I found to make the disc, then.

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 28, 2013, at 8:52 AM, Kliphton ---  
> wrote:
> 
> That is your issue right there.  You have to use mountain lion to do it.  If
> you upgrade first, then try to make the bootable drive, it will not work.  I
> had to find this out the hard way.  Luckily I had a time machine backup to
> revert too.
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> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 7:20 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Discmaker X for creating OS X bootable drives.
> 
> I'm using mavericks. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 7:13 AM, Kliphton --- 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> No your not, it tells you that, but give it some time and you will 
>> here disc maker tell you when it is finished.  Are you trying this 
>> from mountain lion or mavericks.
>> 
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>> -Original Message-
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>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller
>> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 5:15 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Discmaker X for creating OS X bootable drives.
>> 
>> Hi,
>> My issue is that VoiceOver tells me that disc maker x has no windows. 
>> I must be doing something wrong. Help? :)
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 27, 2013, at 9:37 PM, Daniel C  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I too have issues with DiskMaker x. It creates the disk, but my disk
>> doesn't show up in start up disk to be booted off of. Though, 
>> amazingly, it creates the disk just fine.
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RE: closing the preview pain in 10.9 still a pain

[Kliphton -------]

Is this in classic view or standard view?

 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 8:51 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: closing the preview pain in 10.9 still a pain

 

I did not use the track pad as that wasn't working. 

 

with the track pad off, find the splitter. When you find it, press VO
command F5. Then, VO shift spacebar and you should here the mouse click. 

 

Kawal.

 

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On 28 Oct 2013, at 01:44 pm, Ray Foret Jr mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net> > wrote:

To the person who found a way to close the preview pain in mail of 10.9,
could you repost how to do it?  I have tried every piece of advice making
sure my mouse is on the horizontal splitter while in clasical view and then
with the track pad commander off, holding the mouse down and sliding to the
right.  Nothing doing.  I tried moving the mouse down after clicking and
holding my finger on the pad and still nothing changes.  Seems no matter
what I do, the damn pain just stays there.


Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
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Sincerely,
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RE: Discmaker X for creating OS X bootable drives.

[Kliphton -------]

I thought the same thing, but when I did it from my MBA that was still
running mountain lion, it worked flawlessly.  So I tried it from my mac mini
that had mavericks on it.  Still saying disk maker has no windows.  So I
installed my time machine backup and took my mini back to mountain lion, and
then it worked flawlessly like on my MBA, maybe it is a visual thing, or a
bug.  Who knows.

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 8:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Discmaker X for creating OS X bootable drives.

That's weird. The program is compatible with Mavericks. I'll have to
userminal command I found to make the disc, then.

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 28, 2013, at 8:52 AM, Kliphton --- 
wrote:
> 
> That is your issue right there.  You have to use mountain lion to do 
> it.  If you upgrade first, then try to make the bootable drive, it 
> will not work.  I had to find this out the hard way.  Luckily I had a 
> time machine backup to revert too.
> 
> Kliphton
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 7:20 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Discmaker X for creating OS X bootable drives.
> 
> I'm using mavericks. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 7:13 AM, Kliphton --- 
>>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> No your not, it tells you that, but give it some time and you will 
>> here disc maker tell you when it is finished.  Are you trying this 
>> from mountain lion or mavericks.
>> 
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>> 
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>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller
>> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 5:15 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Discmaker X for creating OS X bootable drives.
>> 
>> Hi,
>> My issue is that VoiceOver tells me that disc maker x has no windows. 
>> I must be doing something wrong. Help? :)
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 27, 2013, at 9:37 PM, Daniel C  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I too have issues with DiskMaker x. It creates the disk, but my disk
>> doesn't show up in start up disk to be booted off of. Though, 
>> amazingly, it creates the disk just fine.
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Re: closing the preview pain in 10.9 still a pain

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Standard view. Anyway it should work in both.

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> On 28 Oct 2013, at 02:06 pm, Kliphton ---  
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> 
> Is this in classic view or standard view?
>  
> Kliphton
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> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 8:51 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: closing the preview pain in 10.9 still a pain
>  
> I did not use the track pad as that wasn't working. 
>  
> with the track pad off, find the splitter. When you find it, press VO command 
> F5. Then, VO shift spacebar and you should here the mouse click. 
>  
> Kawal.
>  
> Sent from my I phone
> 
> On 28 Oct 2013, at 01:44 pm, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> To the person who found a way to close the preview pain in mail of 10.9, 
> could you repost how to do it?  I have tried every piece of advice making 
> sure my mouse is on the horizontal splitter while in clasical view and then 
> with the track pad commander off, holding the mouse down and sliding to the 
> right.  Nothing doing.  I tried moving the mouse down after clicking and 
> holding my finger on the pad and still nothing changes.  Seems no matter what 
> I do, the damn pain just stays there.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
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Re: closing the preview pain in 10.9 still a pain

[Ray Foret Jr]

Got that.  Do you mean the horizontal splitter in clasical view, just to the 
right of the message table, or the verticle splitter just to the left of it.

When I try it with the horizontal splitter in clasical view, I always switch 
back to the standard view.  When I click the mouse on the verticle splitter in 
standard view, it makes no difference becaus the preview pain is still open.


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On Oct 28, 2013, at 8:51 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> I did not use the track pad as that wasn't working. 
> 
> with the track pad off, find the splitter. When you find it, press VO command 
> F5. Then, VO shift spacebar and you should here the mouse click. 
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> Sent from my I phone
> 
> On 28 Oct 2013, at 01:44 pm, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> To the person who found a way to close the preview pain in mail of 10.9, 
>> could you repost how to do it?  I have tried every piece of advice making 
>> sure my mouse is on the horizontal splitter while in clasical view and then 
>> with the track pad commander off, holding the mouse down and sliding to the 
>> right.  Nothing doing.  I tried moving the mouse down after clicking and 
>> holding my finger on the pad and still nothing changes.  Seems no matter 
>> what I do, the damn pain just stays there.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in!
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
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Re: closing the preview pain in 10.9 still a pain

[Ray Foret Jr]

Tried it both ways and nothing  changes.  Jus so you know, and if it helps, 
when I’m in standard view, and I VO right from the message table, I hear 
“image” and then, “no message selected.


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On Oct 28, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Kliphton ---  wrote:

> Is this in classic view or standard view?
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> On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 8:51 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: closing the preview pain in 10.9 still a pain
>  
> I did not use the track pad as that wasn't working. 
>  
> with the track pad off, find the splitter. When you find it, press VO command 
> F5. Then, VO shift spacebar and you should here the mouse click. 
>  
> Kawal.
>  
> Sent from my I phone
> 
> On 28 Oct 2013, at 01:44 pm, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> To the person who found a way to close the preview pain in mail of 10.9, 
> could you repost how to do it?  I have tried every piece of advice making 
> sure my mouse is on the horizontal splitter while in clasical view and then 
> with the track pad commander off, holding the mouse down and sliding to the 
> right.  Nothing doing.  I tried moving the mouse down after clicking and 
> holding my finger on the pad and still nothing changes.  Seems no matter what 
> I do, the damn pain just stays there.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
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Re: closing the preview pain in 10.9 still a pain

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I went to the left ofthe message table. I did it in standard view. When I put 
my Cusor on a message, it said unread image. So does that mean it closed the 
pain?

Kawal.

Sent from my I phone

> On 28 Oct 2013, at 02:09 pm, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Got that.  Do you mean the horizontal splitter in clasical view, just to the 
> right of the message table, or the verticle splitter just to the left of it.
> 
> When I try it with the horizontal splitter in clasical view, I always switch 
> back to the standard view.  When I click the mouse on the verticle splitter 
> in standard view, it makes no difference becaus the preview pain is still 
> open.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 8:51 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> I did not use the track pad as that wasn't working. 
>> 
>> with the track pad off, find the splitter. When you find it, press VO 
>> command F5. Then, VO shift spacebar and you should here the mouse click. 
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> Sent from my I phone
>> 
>>> On 28 Oct 2013, at 01:44 pm, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> To the person who found a way to close the preview pain in mail of 10.9, 
>>> could you repost how to do it?  I have tried every piece of advice making 
>>> sure my mouse is on the horizontal splitter while in clasical view and then 
>>> with the track pad commander off, holding the mouse down and sliding to the 
>>> right.  Nothing doing.  I tried moving the mouse down after clicking and 
>>> holding my finger on the pad and still nothing changes.  Seems no matter 
>>> what I do, the damn pain just stays there.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in!
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>>> 
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Re: closing the preview pain in 10.9 still a pain

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Ray,

In classic view, the horizontal splitter is below the messages table and you 
have to drag it down to the bottom of the window. Dragging to the right will 
not work.

Cheers,

Anne


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Can't figure out why I am being asked for password after computer inactivity

[Christine Grassman]

Which setting should I look for to change this? I never had this happen before. 
I am usually only asked for my password at login.
TIA. Christine

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Re: closing the preview pain in 10.9 still a pain

[Estelita]

It can be posted here, so it could help everyone.
Thank you.
Estelita

- Original Message - 
From: "Ray Foret Jr" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 1:44 PM
Subject: closing the preview pain in 10.9 still a pain


To the person who found a way to close the preview pain in mail of 10.9, 
could you repost how to do it?  I have tried every piece of advice making 
sure my mouse is on the horizontal splitter while in clasical view and then 
with the track pad commander off, holding the mouse down and sliding to the 
right.  Nothing doing.  I tried moving the mouse down after clicking and 
holding my finger on the pad and still nothing changes.  Seems no matter 
what I do, the damn pain just stays there.



Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!


Sincerely,
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Re: 1 password podcasts

[Nicholas Parsons]

That is a great podcast. It is, however, on 1Password 3. We're now up to 
1Password 4. Though the interface has changed a bit, it's still very intuitive 
and the key concepts are the same, so the podcast should still be useful.

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Re: Can't figure out why I am being asked for password after computer inactivity

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

This is the default behaviour since Mountain Lion.  It is a security thing that 
Apple appears to encourage, especially if you’re using the iCloud Keychain 
service.  It’s something that I was annoyed with initially, but after some 
thought decided that it wasn’t a bad thing at all, especially on a laptop that 
could be stolen or accessed by someone else.  If you really don’t want this 
behaviour, go into the System Prefs under the Security pane to modify this 
setting.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 28, 2013, at 8:34 AM, Christine Grassman  wrote:

> Which setting should I look for to change this? I never had this happen 
> before. I am usually only asked for my password at login.
> TIA. Christine
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Re: Can't figure out why I am being asked for password after computer inactivity

[Terje Strømberg]

Hi

Not sure what the correct name is in English, but go to something like 
system-settings in programs in finder and open it. Under personal, open 
security protection, go to general, tab to the checkbox - demand password after 
screen saver or hibernation and uncheck it. There is a button with different 
time options there also.

Take care


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> before. I am usually only asked for my password at login.
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Re: closing the preview pain in 10.9 still a pain

[Ray Foret Jr]

Well, if you then arrow from message to message, not VO+arrow just arrow, then 
I guess it means the pain is closed.  Thing is, that does not work for me.


Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

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On Oct 28, 2013, at 9:13 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> I went to the left ofthe message table. I did it in standard view. When I put 
> my Cusor on a message, it said unread image. So does that mean it closed the 
> pain?
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> Sent from my I phone
> 
> On 28 Oct 2013, at 02:09 pm, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> Got that.  Do you mean the horizontal splitter in clasical view, just to the 
>> right of the message table, or the verticle splitter just to the left of it.
>> 
>> When I try it with the horizontal splitter in clasical view, I always switch 
>> back to the standard view.  When I click the mouse on the verticle splitter 
>> in standard view, it makes no difference becaus the preview pain is still 
>> open.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in!
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>> 
>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 8:51 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>>> I did not use the track pad as that wasn't working. 
>>> 
>>> with the track pad off, find the splitter. When you find it, press VO 
>>> command F5. Then, VO shift spacebar and you should here the mouse click. 
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my I phone
>>> 
>>> On 28 Oct 2013, at 01:44 pm, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
 To the person who found a way to close the preview pain in mail of 10.9, 
 could you repost how to do it?  I have tried every piece of advice making 
 sure my mouse is on the horizontal splitter while in clasical view and 
 then with the track pad commander off, holding the mouse down and sliding 
 to the right.  Nothing doing.  I tried moving the mouse down after 
 clicking and holding my finger on the pad and still nothing changes.  
 Seems no matter what I do, the damn pain just stays there.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
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Re: closing the preview pain in 10.9 still a pain

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Try right ofthe message table.

Sent from my I phone

> On 28 Oct 2013, at 03:05 pm, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Well, if you then arrow from message to message, not VO+arrow just arrow, 
> then I guess it means the pain is closed.  Thing is, that does not work for 
> me.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 9:13 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> I went to the left ofthe message table. I did it in standard view. When I 
>> put my Cusor on a message, it said unread image. So does that mean it closed 
>> the pain?
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> Sent from my I phone
>> 
>>> On 28 Oct 2013, at 02:09 pm, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Got that.  Do you mean the horizontal splitter in clasical view, just to 
>>> the right of the message table, or the verticle splitter just to the left 
>>> of it.
>>> 
>>> When I try it with the horizontal splitter in clasical view, I always 
>>> switch back to the standard view.  When I click the mouse on the verticle 
>>> splitter in standard view, it makes no difference becaus the preview pain 
>>> is still open.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in!
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>>> 
 On Oct 28, 2013, at 8:51 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 I did not use the track pad as that wasn't working. 
 
 with the track pad off, find the splitter. When you find it, press VO 
 command F5. Then, VO shift spacebar and you should here the mouse click. 
 
 Kawal.
 
 Sent from my I phone
 
> On 28 Oct 2013, at 01:44 pm, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> To the person who found a way to close the preview pain in mail of 10.9, 
> could you repost how to do it?  I have tried every piece of advice making 
> sure my mouse is on the horizontal splitter while in clasical view and 
> then with the track pad commander off, holding the mouse down and sliding 
> to the right.  Nothing doing.  I tried moving the mouse down after 
> clicking and holding my finger on the pad and still nothing changes.  
> Seems no matter what I do, the damn pain just stays there.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
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SOS with pasting loops in new Garageband

[Daniela Rubio]

Hello all, I hope you had a great weekend.
Doe’s anybody know how to paste loops from the browser to a Garageband track in 
the new version? I try all, but I can’t copy the file, nor dragging it to my 
track.
I will appreciate very much any help given.
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Re: closing the preview pain in 10.9 still a pain

[Ray Foret Jr]

Tried that and made sure the mouse was on the horizontal splitter before I 
attempted to drag to the botton.  

1.  I put mail in classic view.

2.  I made sure I was not interacting with the message table and then pressed 
VO+down to get to the horizontal splitter.

3.  Next, I routed the mouse to that point by pressing VO+CMD+F5.

4.  Next, I put my finger at the very top of the track pad and pressed and held 
it down making sure the track pad actually clicked.

5.  Next, I moved my finger slowly straight down as far as it would go then 
released the pad.

6.  Next, I put mail back in standard view.

Customarily, when I interact with the message table, I just arrow up or down 
through the messages.

Okay.  Now, you know everything I do.  Am I going wrong somewhere?


Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Oct 28, 2013, at 9:20 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> Hello Ray,
> 
> In classic view, the horizontal splitter is below the messages table and you 
> have to drag it down to the bottom of the window. Dragging to the right will 
> not work.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
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Re: Can't figure out why I am being asked for password after computer inactivity

[Teresa Cochran]

It’s called System Preferences, and it’s in the Apple menu.

Hth,
teresa

On the other hand, there are different fingers.

On Oct 28, 2013, at 8:01 AM, Terje Strømberg  wrote:

> Hi
> 
> Not sure what the correct name is in English, but go to something like 
> system-settings in programs in finder and open it. Under personal, open 
> security protection, go to general, tab to the checkbox - demand password 
> after screen saver or hibernation and uncheck it. There is a button with 
> different time options there also.
> 
> Take care
> 
> 
> 28. okt. 2013 kl. 15:34 skrev Christine Grassman :
> 
>> Which setting should I look for to change this? I never had this happen 
>> before. I am usually only asked for my password at login.
>> TIA. Christine
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Re: An Update About Not Being Able To Download Mavericks

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello,

It shouldn't but it did for me on my MP.

Going that route only gave an option to install Lion. But if anyone can make it 
work let me know. Going the option + power route with some sighted support. I 
found there was no keyboard support to select the HD and the install button.

HTH
Gena

Georgina Joyce
Applied Psychologist
Training and Coaching.
Because individuals of groups matter!


On 28 Oct 2013, at 09:18, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Hi, Shawn,
> 
> No, you shouldn’t need sighted assistance. Once you load recovery mode, wait 
> a couple of minutes and then you can press command-f5. You’ll get Fred, but 
> that’s definitely better than no voice at all. And by the way, a USB braille 
> display works with it as well.
> 
> HtH,
> Teresa
> 
> Slow down; you'll get there faster.
> 
> On Oct 28, 2013, at 12:31 AM, BBS  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all. I’m finally able to download Mavericks which makes me wonder in 
>> these past few days was the server jammed with people downloading it? And 
>> yes, obviously the guy at Apple didn’t know what he was talking about 
>> because he told me that if this Mac ever bit the big one, I can use recovery 
>> mode to download it again, that’s what that link was for and why I never 
>> bothered posting it. So thanks for putting up with my stupid assed questions 
>> and that comment about it just being an update. BTW, didn’t I read that you 
>> needed sighted help if you wanted to use recovery mode?
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White Mac Book
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Re: closing the preview pain in 10.9 still a pain

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Rather than dragging your finger down to the bottom command VO space shift. 
Tell me if that works? Do not touch the track Pad.

Kawal. 

Sent from my I phone

> On 28 Oct 2013, at 03:10 pm, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Tried that and made sure the mouse was on the horizontal splitter before I 
> attempted to drag to the botton.  
> 
> 1.  I put mail in classic view.
> 
> 2.  I made sure I was not interacting with the message table and then pressed 
> VO+down to get to the horizontal splitter.
> 
> 3.  Next, I routed the mouse to that point by pressing VO+CMD+F5.
> 
> 4.  Next, I put my finger at the very top of the track pad and pressed and 
> held it down making sure the track pad actually clicked.
> 
> 5.  Next, I moved my finger slowly straight down as far as it would go then 
> released the pad.
> 
> 6.  Next, I put mail back in standard view.
> 
> Customarily, when I interact with the message table, I just arrow up or down 
> through the messages.
> 
> Okay.  Now, you know everything I do.  Am I going wrong somewhere?
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 9:20 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Ray,
>> 
>> In classic view, the horizontal splitter is below the messages table and you 
>> have to drag it down to the bottom of the window. Dragging to the right will 
>> not work.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
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Fleksy

[Shen]

Is anyone having issues with Fleksy after updating their device to iOS7? 
While typing, my phone believes there is no activity happening. So auto lock 
kicks in. 
The same problem happens if you open camera from the lock screen. 

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Re: Fleksy

[Chris H]

This is a bug with iOS and not Fleksy as you have found out. The 
workaround is to disable autolock in settings general autolock and set 
it to never.


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On 28/10/2013 15:08, Shen wrote:

Is anyone having issues with Fleksy after updating their device to iOS7?
While typing, my phone believes there is no activity happening. So auto lock 
kicks in.
The same problem happens if you open camera from the lock screen.

Shen
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Re: closing the preview pain in 10.9 still a pain

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

1.  Go into Mail Prefs and select the Viewing pane.
2.  Check to change to Classic View.
3.  Close Mail Prefs.
4.  Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter after the Messages Table.
5.  Press VO-cmd-f5 to make sure the mouse is focused on the Splitter.
6.  Press down on the Trackpad then drag downwards to the bottom of the 
physical Trackpad.

You will know that it worked because the splitter will no longer be right after 
the Messages Table, it will be the last item at the bottom of the window.

7.  Change back into Modern View in the Mail Prefs by unchecking the box.
8.  Close the Mail Prefs.

You will know that the Preview Pane is closed/hidden/disabled by navigating 
around the Mail window and you will note a Vertical Splitter before and after 
the Messages Column Group.

If it’s not sticking for you, try quitting Mail after getting rid of the 
Preview Pane in Classic view.  Once you re-open Mail, you can change back to 
the Modern View and the change should stick.  At least it has for me numerous 
times.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 28, 2013, at 7:44 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> To the person who found a way to close the preview pain in mail of 10.9, 
> could you repost how to do it?  I have tried every piece of advice making 
> sure my mouse is on the horizontal splitter while in clasical view and then 
> with the track pad commander off, holding the mouse down and sliding to the 
> right.  Nothing doing.  I tried moving the mouse down after clicking and 
> holding my finger on the pad and still nothing changes.  Seems no matter what 
> I do, the damn pain just stays there.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
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Re: closing the preview pain in 10.9 still a pain

[Teresa Cochran]

Ok, Tim, have you been able to make that setting stick ? i.e. preview pane off 
permanently, modern view? I haven’t. It changes back as soon as I restart Mail.

thanks,
Teresa

On the other hand, there are different fingers.

On Oct 28, 2013, at 8:23 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> 1.  Go into Mail Prefs and select the Viewing pane.
> 2.  Check to change to Classic View.
> 3.  Close Mail Prefs.
> 4.  Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter after the Messages Table.
> 5.  Press VO-cmd-f5 to make sure the mouse is focused on the Splitter.
> 6.  Press down on the Trackpad then drag downwards to the bottom of the 
> physical Trackpad.
> 
> You will know that it worked because the splitter will no longer be right 
> after the Messages Table, it will be the last item at the bottom of the 
> window.
> 
> 7.  Change back into Modern View in the Mail Prefs by unchecking the box.
> 8.  Close the Mail Prefs.
> 
> You will know that the Preview Pane is closed/hidden/disabled by navigating 
> around the Mail window and you will note a Vertical Splitter before and after 
> the Messages Column Group.
> 
> If it’s not sticking for you, try quitting Mail after getting rid of the 
> Preview Pane in Classic view.  Once you re-open Mail, you can change back to 
> the Modern View and the change should stick.  At least it has for me numerous 
> times.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 28, 2013, at 7:44 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> To the person who found a way to close the preview pain in mail of 10.9, 
>> could you repost how to do it?  I have tried every piece of advice making 
>> sure my mouse is on the horizontal splitter while in clasical view and then 
>> with the track pad commander off, holding the mouse down and sliding to the 
>> right.  Nothing doing.  I tried moving the mouse down after clicking and 
>> holding my finger on the pad and still nothing changes.  Seems no matter 
>> what I do, the damn pain just stays there.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in!
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>> 
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Re: iPod Nano

[Rebecca Sabo]

Hi all,
How do you all like the iPad mabel ?
I have a iPad two but it is so big to be portable .  Is there anything that 
would be good for portable use?
Becky 
On Oct 26, 2013, at 3:02 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:

> Great,
> I'm looking for something mainly to play music on.
> 
> Blessings,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Gemini
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
> 
> On Oct 26, 2013, at 12:20 PM, Nicholas Parsons wrote:
> 
>> Basically, you receive info on whatever text or icons are on the screen. 
>> It's great for listening to audiobooks, music and podcasts. I love my iPod 
>> Nano. I use it much less now my iPHone is essentially an iPod and more and 
>> has a much greater storage capacity. The Nano is great when I want to 
>> conserve my iPhone battery though, for instance when travelling.
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Re: Pages for Mavericks, problems

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Not sure what the actual rules are for this.  I did have a licensed copy of 
iWorks and was able to update to the newest Pages, Keynote and Numbers for free 
through the App Store.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 28, 2013, at 3:05 AM, Chris H  wrote:

> Not true. iWorks is only free if you have bought a new mac or iOS device 
> after September 1.
> 
> E-mail Facebook and iMessage
> christopher...@gmail.com
> 
> On 28/10/2013 08:34, Peter Durieux wrote:
>> Hi listers,
>> 
>> Am I correct, that the Iworks upgrades will be free if you have already an 
>> installed copy of the software?
>> 
>> kr
>> 
>> -Peter
>> 
>> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 10:32:24PM +0100, Daniela Rubio wrote:
>>> Hi all:
>>> About merging cells, they are still there, fortunately.
>>> To complete the process, one needs to Control Click to get an onscreen 
>>> menu. If we select the cells we want to merge and Control click, the 
>>> context menu shows up and we can navigate down to the Merge Cells option.
>>> About the hot keys for setting paragraph stiles, I am afraid they have 
>>> really gone away.
>>> Hope it helps!
>>> 
>>> Daniela Rubio T
>>> iPhone: +34662328507
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> El 27/10/2013, a las 09:18, Nicholas Parsons 
>>>  escribió:
>>> 
 If you copy from Pages and paste in Text Edit, will it keep all your 
 formatting?
 
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Re: closing the preview pain in 10.9 still a pain

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Sticks for me every  time.  I’ve tried it often just to make sure that I was 
sending out valid instructions.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 28, 2013, at 9:28 AM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Ok, Tim, have you been able to make that setting stick ? i.e. preview pane 
> off permanently, modern view? I haven’t. It changes back as soon as I restart 
> Mail.
> 
> thanks,
> Teresa
> 
> On the other hand, there are different fingers.
> 
> On Oct 28, 2013, at 8:23 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> 1.  Go into Mail Prefs and select the Viewing pane.
>> 2.  Check to change to Classic View.
>> 3.  Close Mail Prefs.
>> 4.  Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter after the Messages Table.
>> 5.  Press VO-cmd-f5 to make sure the mouse is focused on the Splitter.
>> 6.  Press down on the Trackpad then drag downwards to the bottom of the 
>> physical Trackpad.
>> 
>> You will know that it worked because the splitter will no longer be right 
>> after the Messages Table, it will be the last item at the bottom of the 
>> window.
>> 
>> 7.  Change back into Modern View in the Mail Prefs by unchecking the box.
>> 8.  Close the Mail Prefs.
>> 
>> You will know that the Preview Pane is closed/hidden/disabled by navigating 
>> around the Mail window and you will note a Vertical Splitter before and 
>> after the Messages Column Group.
>> 
>> If it’s not sticking for you, try quitting Mail after getting rid of the 
>> Preview Pane in Classic view.  Once you re-open Mail, you can change back to 
>> the Modern View and the change should stick.  At least it has for me 
>> numerous times.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 7:44 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>>> To the person who found a way to close the preview pain in mail of 10.9, 
>>> could you repost how to do it?  I have tried every piece of advice making 
>>> sure my mouse is on the horizontal splitter while in clasical view and then 
>>> with the track pad commander off, holding the mouse down and sliding to the 
>>> right.  Nothing doing.  I tried moving the mouse down after clicking and 
>>> holding my finger on the pad and still nothing changes.  Seems no matter 
>>> what I do, the damn pain just stays there.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in!
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>>> 
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Re: Pages for Mavericks, problems

[Daniela Rubio]

OK Anne!
Sorry for the misunderstanding! Well, I am also giving things a try, and may be 
we can talk at some point to bring things in common.
As soon as I have something, I will let you know.
Best

Daniela Rubio T
iPhone: +34662328507



El 27/10/2013, a las 23:37, Anne Robertson  escribió:

> Hello Daniela,
> 
> I think what you’re referring to are merge cells in tables. What’s bothering 
> me is the lack of merge fields in normal text. There’s now no apparent way to 
> bring addresses in from Contacts, for instance. The fields in my existing 
> templates have now become placeholder text which means typing addresses in 
> manually.
> 
> The only way I’ve found to ascertain the current paragraph style is to go to 
> the paragraph style button, do VO-Shift-c then go to the Finder and press the 
> short cut I’ve created for Show clipboard. For some strange reason, VoiceOver 
> doesn’t read the current style, but the command Copy last phrase to 
> clipboard, actually picks up the name of the paragraph style. This is the 
> only situation in which I’ve found that command to pick up something other 
> than what was spoken by VoiceOver.
> 
> I’m going through all the Pages training material we use and updating it for 
> this new version so who knows what I’ll find in the coming days.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 27 Oct 2013, at 22:32, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all:
>> About merging cells, they are still there, fortunately.
>> To complete the process, one needs to Control Click to get an onscreen menu. 
>> If we select the cells we want to merge and Control click, the context menu 
>> shows up and we can navigate down to the Merge Cells option.
>> About the hot keys for setting paragraph stiles, I am afraid they have 
>> really gone away.
>> Hope it helps!
>> 
>> Daniela Rubio T
>> iPhone: +34662328507
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> El 27/10/2013, a las 09:18, Nicholas Parsons  
>> escribió:
>> 
>>> If you copy from Pages and paste in Text Edit, will it keep all your 
>>> formatting?
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Dictation

[Dave]

Has anyone gotten the dictation to work after an upgrade?


I hit the FN twice and I get a system dialog that I can't see.
Dictation and advanced dictation are both checked in the system preferences.

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Re: closing the preview pain in 10.9 still a pain

[Teresa Cochran]

Ok, I can verify that I just tried restarting Mail after getting rid of the 
preview pane, and it stuck.

The fact is that this is simply a very tricky operation for some folks, and IMo 
everybody would benefit from a keystroke to toggle it. I’ll add my two cents to 
the (no doubt) many requests Apple has gotten for this. It’s been an issue at 
least ever since I started using Snow Kitty in 2010.

Teresa

On the other hand, there are different fingers.

On Oct 28, 2013, at 8:27 AM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Ok, Tim, have you been able to make that setting stick ? i.e. preview pane 
> off permanently, modern view.
> 
> On the other hand, there are different fingers.
> 
> On Oct 28, 2013, at 8:23 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> 1.  Go into Mail Prefs and select the Viewing pane.
>> 2.  Check to change to Classic View.
>> 3.  Close Mail Prefs.
>> 4.  Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter after the Messages Table.
>> 5.  Press VO-cmd-f5 to make sure the mouse is focused on the Splitter.
>> 6.  Press down on the Trackpad then drag downwards to the bottom of the 
>> physical Trackpad.
>> 
>> You will know that it worked because the splitter will no longer be right 
>> after the Messages Table, it will be the last item at the bottom of the 
>> window.
>> 
>> 7.  Change back into Modern View in the Mail Prefs by unchecking the box.
>> 8.  Close the Mail Prefs.
>> 
>> You will know that the Preview Pane is closed/hidden/disabled by navigating 
>> around the Mail window and you will note a Vertical Splitter before and 
>> after the Messages Column Group.
>> 
>> If it’s not sticking for you, try quitting Mail after getting rid of the 
>> Preview Pane in Classic view.  Once you re-open Mail, you can change back to 
>> the Modern View and the change should stick.  At least it has for me 
>> numerous times.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 7:44 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>>> To the person who found a way to close the preview pain in mail of 10.9, 
>>> could you repost how to do it?  I have tried every piece of advice making 
>>> sure my mouse is on the horizontal splitter while in clasical view and then 
>>> with the track pad commander off, holding the mouse down and sliding to the 
>>> right.  Nothing doing.  I tried moving the mouse down after clicking and 
>>> holding my finger on the pad and still nothing changes.  Seems no matter 
>>> what I do, the damn pain just stays there.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in!
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
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Re: iPod Nano

[Chris H]

The iPad Mini is probably the way forward however the iPad Air will be 
available as of Friday and Apple claims this to be the lightest tablet 
on the market, only weighing about one pound.


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On 28/10/2013 15:28, Rebecca Sabo wrote:

Hi all,
How do you all like the iPad mabel ?
I have a iPad two but it is so big to be portable .  Is there anything that 
would be good for portable use?
Becky
On Oct 26, 2013, at 3:02 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:


Great,
I'm looking for something mainly to play music on.

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Gemini
mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

On Oct 26, 2013, at 12:20 PM, Nicholas Parsons wrote:


Basically, you receive info on whatever text or icons are on the screen. It's 
great for listening to audiobooks, music and podcasts. I love my iPod Nano. I 
use it much less now my iPHone is essentially an iPod and more and has a much 
greater storage capacity. The Nano is great when I want to conserve my iPhone 
battery though, for instance when travelling.

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Re: Can't figure out why I am being asked for password after computer inactivity

[Christine Grassman]

Perfect -- thanks. I was looking in general, not Security and General. 
On Oct 28, 2013, at 11:01 AM, Terje Strømberg  wrote:

> Hi
> 
> Not sure what the correct name is in English, but go to something like 
> system-settings in programs in finder and open it. Under personal, open 
> security protection, go to general, tab to the checkbox - demand password 
> after screen saver or hibernation and uncheck it. There is a button with 
> different time options there also.
> 
> Take care
> 
> 
> 28. okt. 2013 kl. 15:34 skrev Christine Grassman :
> 
>> Which setting should I look for to change this? I never had this happen 
>> before. I am usually only asked for my password at login.
>> TIA. Christine
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Re: closing the preview pain in 10.9 still a pain

[Ray Foret Jr]

You mean just to the left or right of message table?  Did that.  No good.


Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Oct 28, 2013, at 10:08 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> Try right ofthe message table.
> 
> Sent from my I phone
> 
> On 28 Oct 2013, at 03:05 pm, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> Well, if you then arrow from message to message, not VO+arrow just arrow, 
>> then I guess it means the pain is closed.  Thing is, that does not work for 
>> me.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in!
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>> 
>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 9:13 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>>> I went to the left ofthe message table. I did it in standard view. When I 
>>> put my Cusor on a message, it said unread image. So does that mean it 
>>> closed the pain?
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my I phone
>>> 
>>> On 28 Oct 2013, at 02:09 pm, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
 Got that.  Do you mean the horizontal splitter in clasical view, just to 
 the right of the message table, or the verticle splitter just to the left 
 of it.
 
 When I try it with the horizontal splitter in clasical view, I always 
 switch back to the standard view.  When I click the mouse on the verticle 
 splitter in standard view, it makes no difference becaus the preview pain 
 is still open.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
 
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> I did not use the track pad as that wasn't working. 
> 
> with the track pad off, find the splitter. When you find it, press VO 
> command F5. Then, VO shift spacebar and you should here the mouse click. 
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> Sent from my I phone
> 
> On 28 Oct 2013, at 01:44 pm, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> To the person who found a way to close the preview pain in mail of 10.9, 
>> could you repost how to do it?  I have tried every piece of advice 
>> making sure my mouse is on the horizontal splitter while in clasical 
>> view and then with the track pad commander off, holding the mouse down 
>> and sliding to the right.  Nothing doing.  I tried moving the mouse down 
>> after clicking and holding my finger on the pad and still nothing 
>> changes.  Seems no matter what I do, the damn pain just stays there.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the 
>> blind built-in!
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
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Re: closing the preview pain in 10.9 still a pain

[Ray Foret Jr]

Nope.  Did not work.


Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Oct 28, 2013, at 10:17 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> Rather than dragging your finger down to the bottom command VO space shift. 
> Tell me if that works? Do not touch the track Pad.
> 
> Kawal. 
> 
> Sent from my I phone
> 
> On 28 Oct 2013, at 03:10 pm, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> Tried that and made sure the mouse was on the horizontal splitter before I 
>> attempted to drag to the botton.  
>> 
>> 1.  I put mail in classic view.
>> 
>> 2.  I made sure I was not interacting with the message table and then 
>> pressed VO+down to get to the horizontal splitter.
>> 
>> 3.  Next, I routed the mouse to that point by pressing VO+CMD+F5.
>> 
>> 4.  Next, I put my finger at the very top of the track pad and pressed and 
>> held it down making sure the track pad actually clicked.
>> 
>> 5.  Next, I moved my finger slowly straight down as far as it would go then 
>> released the pad.
>> 
>> 6.  Next, I put mail back in standard view.
>> 
>> Customarily, when I interact with the message table, I just arrow up or down 
>> through the messages.
>> 
>> Okay.  Now, you know everything I do.  Am I going wrong somewhere?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in!
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>> 
>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 9:20 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Ray,
>>> 
>>> In classic view, the horizontal splitter is below the messages table and 
>>> you have to drag it down to the bottom of the window. Dragging to the right 
>>> will not work.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
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Re: Some useful Mac keyboard shortcuts

[Rebecca Sabo]

Hi all,
I use a mack pro computer with voice over.  What are you trying to do with your 
computer if I can help let me know.
Becky Sabo 
On Oct 27, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> Have you switched the FN key from the default? If not, press FN-Ctrl-F2.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 27 Oct 2013, at 23:28, BBS  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Chris. I don’t know why, but my system bonks every time I try using the 
>> control+F2 command.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White Mac Book
>> 
>> On Oct 27, 2013, at 6:46 AM, Chris H  wrote:
>> 
>>> Open the menu bar - control f2
>>> open the dock - control f3
>>> open the status menu (Lion) and extras menu (Mountain Lion or later) - 
>>> control f8
>>> These work even with VoiceOver off.
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Re: Dictation

[Alex Hall]

It works for me. When you say you cannot see the'dialog, what do you mean? If 
you hit vo-f1 twice and choose the systek dialogs item, can you focus on it 
that way? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 28, 2013, at 11:39, "Dave"  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone gotten the dictation to work after an upgrade?
>  
>  
> I hit the FN twice and I get a system dialog that I can't see.
> Dictation and advanced dictation are both checked in the system preferences.
>  
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Copying contacts

[ramy moustafa]

Hi all:
 
Finally I got the Mavericks, with all you great help, and I discovered  
something new at least for me,  when I synced my I cloud, with my I phone, I 
found all my contacts on my mac mini, now I need to take all these files 
separately, I entered the contacts app, I select all my contacts, I hit copy 
but I can’t past them any where else,
Why I can’t copy them, and is there away to take these contacts as seprat vcf 
files to put on my other nokia phone?
 
Thanks in advance.
 Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
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mail views all messed up now

[Ray Foret Jr]

Okay,

After fooling with the instructions to get rid of the preview pain, it’s still 
there.

Problem seems to be that I just cannot get rid of the damn horizontal splitter 
and make it go to the botton of the mail window.

Now, when I open mail, (in standard view) I land on my mail box table and find 
that as I arrow message to message, it tells me that the message is selected.  
This would seem to indicate that preview pain is still on.  Would I be better 
off getting rid of the mail preferences file and jus rebuilding the account 
from scratch?  IF so, I cannot seem to find the mail prefs file in 
Library/Preferences.  Seems to me there’s got to be a better way than this.

Here’s exactly what I did.

1.  Hide tool bar and favorites bar also.

2.  Pressed zoom.

3.  Go in to the prefs window and select for classic view.

4.  Came out of prefs window and noticed that the horizontal splitter was just 
imedately to the right of the message table.

5.  Next, I pressed VO+CMD+F5 to rout the track pad mouse directly to that 
spliter.

6.  Next, pressed down on top of track pad making sure that it clicked when 
pressed and held finger there.

7.  With finger still on track pad, slide finger down till I could move it no 
longer.  Heard nothing change.

8.  I then let off the track pad.

9.  Now, When I check again, I notice that the horizontal spliter is still 
right next to the message table.


Now, I’m almost at the end of my rope with this.

Did you call 
1800-692-7753
to solve this or did you call the special accessibility number?

I guess I’ll have to pay for the support since my Apple care is up.


Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

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Re: mail views all messed up now

[Ray Foret Jr]

In reply to myself, I have another observation, a tool bar now appears just to 
the right of the message table.  Seems to be that the more I mess with this 
thing, the worse it gets.


Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
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Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Oct 28, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> Okay,
> 
> After fooling with the instructions to get rid of the preview pain, it’s 
> still there.
> 
> Problem seems to be that I just cannot get rid of the damn horizontal 
> splitter and make it go to the botton of the mail window.
> 
> Now, when I open mail, (in standard view) I land on my mail box table and 
> find that as I arrow message to message, it tells me that the message is 
> selected.  This would seem to indicate that preview pain is still on.  Would 
> I be better off getting rid of the mail preferences file and jus rebuilding 
> the account from scratch?  IF so, I cannot seem to find the mail prefs file 
> in Library/Preferences.  Seems to me there’s got to be a better way than this.
> 
> Here’s exactly what I did.
> 
> 1.  Hide tool bar and favorites bar also.
> 
> 2.  Pressed zoom.
> 
> 3.  Go in to the prefs window and select for classic view.
> 
> 4.  Came out of prefs window and noticed that the horizontal splitter was 
> just imedately to the right of the message table.
> 
> 5.  Next, I pressed VO+CMD+F5 to rout the track pad mouse directly to that 
> spliter.
> 
> 6.  Next, pressed down on top of track pad making sure that it clicked when 
> pressed and held finger there.
> 
> 7.  With finger still on track pad, slide finger down till I could move it no 
> longer.  Heard nothing change.
> 
> 8.  I then let off the track pad.
> 
> 9.  Now, When I check again, I notice that the horizontal spliter is still 
> right next to the message table.
> 
> 
> Now, I’m almost at the end of my rope with this.
> 
> Did you call 
> 1800-692-7753
> to solve this or did you call the special accessibility number?
> 
> I guess I’ll have to pay for the support since my Apple care is up.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
> 
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Re: Dictation

[Dave]

When I check the system dialog, the percentage of the download drops rather 
than goes up. It's very strange. The system dialog also disappears after a 
few seconds.

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Pages and dates

[Anne Robertson]

I’m going through my teaching materials for Pages and finding problems. The 
latest one is that we can no longer modify the date style in a document using a 
contextual menu. Pages takes the date style from System 
preferences/Language&Region/Advanced where it uses the Full version of the 
date. We can copy whatever style of date we like into that field, but this is 
really irritating as, speaking for myself, I don’t always want to use the same 
format.

Cheers,

Anne

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Observation with voice on Mavericks

[Chris H]

I am using Karen under Mavericks and she is just brilliant. Superb 
quality sound, human like voice, I actually use her as my VoiceOver 
voice while Daniel is my system voice and Serina excuse spelling for the 
clock. Do you feel the same about Karen? I've even gone as far as 
removing both Alex and Vicki.

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Re: mail views all messed up now

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Ray,

I believe that Alex received the initial instructions from an Apple Support 
person.  I more or less used some of those instructions along with my own 
experience to come up with my instructions.  I, like Alex, had everything the 
way it should be after my update to Mavericks and then decided to do some 
testing after seeing some of the frustration expressed on this list.  Being the 
cocky person that I am, I thought I’d have no problems.  Stupid me.  After lots 
of fussing, some assistance from my sighted wife, and some investigation on the 
web, I determined that this is an issue for sighted folks too.

So, I was able to fix things using the steps I outlined after some time and 
frustration.  The messed up view where your ToolBar is in an odd location is 
usually fixed after quitting and re-opening Mail.  I’m wondering if you could 
add an extra step into this that might help it to work for you.  When you’ve 
navigated to the Horizontal Splitter, Interact with it, then move with VO-up or 
VO-down.  VO should announce percentage values relating to the size of the 
Preview pane.  Now use VO-cmd-f5 to route the mouse to the VO location, then 
perform the drag down of the Horizontal Splitter to see if it works for you.  
Also, for accuracy sake, take a look in your VO settings under the Visuals 
section, make sure that your VO Cursor magnification is set to 1.  This should 
make sure that the mouse is going where it’s supposed to.

HTH.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 28, 2013, at 12:28 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> Okay,
> 
> After fooling with the instructions to get rid of the preview pain, it’s 
> still there.
> 
> Problem seems to be that I just cannot get rid of the damn horizontal 
> splitter and make it go to the botton of the mail window.
> 
> Now, when I open mail, (in standard view) I land on my mail box table and 
> find that as I arrow message to message, it tells me that the message is 
> selected.  This would seem to indicate that preview pain is still on.  Would 
> I be better off getting rid of the mail preferences file and jus rebuilding 
> the account from scratch?  IF so, I cannot seem to find the mail prefs file 
> in Library/Preferences.  Seems to me there’s got to be a better way than this.
> 
> Here’s exactly what I did.
> 
> 1.  Hide tool bar and favorites bar also.
> 
> 2.  Pressed zoom.
> 
> 3.  Go in to the prefs window and select for classic view.
> 
> 4.  Came out of prefs window and noticed that the horizontal splitter was 
> just imedately to the right of the message table.
> 
> 5.  Next, I pressed VO+CMD+F5 to rout the track pad mouse directly to that 
> spliter.
> 
> 6.  Next, pressed down on top of track pad making sure that it clicked when 
> pressed and held finger there.
> 
> 7.  With finger still on track pad, slide finger down till I could move it no 
> longer.  Heard nothing change.
> 
> 8.  I then let off the track pad.
> 
> 9.  Now, When I check again, I notice that the horizontal spliter is still 
> right next to the message table.
> 
> 
> Now, I’m almost at the end of my rope with this.
> 
> Did you call 
> 1800-692-7753
> to solve this or did you call the special accessibility number?
> 
> I guess I’ll have to pay for the support since my Apple care is up.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
> 
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Re: Dictation

[Daniela Rubio]

Hi! Doe’s anybody know if a VO user can take advantage of corrections in 
enhanced dictation?
Thanks!

Daniela Rubio T
iPhone: +34662328507



El 28/10/2013, a las 20:07, Dave  escribió:

> When I check the system dialog, the percentage of the download drops rather 
> than goes up. It's very strange. The system dialog also disappears after a 
> few seconds.
>  
> 
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RE: Logos program on Mac or iPad

[Becky Sabo]

Hi ,
I would like to no more about this.  I deleted emails from my Mack but some
reason my emails are not deleted from my windows computer?
Becky Sabo 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Vinny Pedulla
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 9:02 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Logos progrm on Mac or iPad

Hi Mike and Helena,
I just tried Logos 5 on my iPad and it's slightly more accessible than the
iPhone app. Both let you read the text of each book. It's just a little
tricky bringing up the resource area. Once you are on it though, you can do
a two finger swipe down and VO will read each page and scroll to the next
page.
The difference with the iPad app is that the screen layout is more
accessible. VO speaks more items and doesn't loose focus as much as the
iPhone app does.
As for the Mac app, so far it's not as accessible. You can bring up a book
and have the program read back to you, however, VO cannot access the text.
I also have it running on Windows 7 with a little more success.
Right now your best bet is either the website biblia.com or running the iOS
apps. You can access all your books and read them either with speech or a
braille display. You can even do searches and bring up bible passages. I am
working with the developers at Logos to make all their apps accessible. The
iOS apps were made accessible recently and I have been talking to the
Windows programmer to make it more accessible as well. The last area we need
to push them on is the Mac. I did send them Apple's guidelines and gave them
feedback as to what needed to be fixed.
It might be helpful if we continue to email them about getting the Mac
version accessible. Currently the main issue is just like Accordance: most
things work accept reading the actual text.
Feel free to write me off list for some work arounds and the contacts at
Logos.
Vinny
PS If you need access to bibles and resources, contact Optasia Ministry
http://www.optasiaministry.org They provide simple text files that can be
viewed on both Mac and Windows as well as all the braille notetakers.

- Original Message -
From: "Mike Arrigo" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: Logos progrm on Mac or iPad


> Last I checked, these programs were not very accessible, but there is a 
> work around. If you go to http://biblia.com you can log in with 
> your email address and password and read your purchased books in your web 
> browser. If you do this on a desktop computer, choose the option to switch

> to mobile view. This will disable the automatic scrolling which will make 
> each section easier to read.
> Original message:
>> Hi, all! Does anyone know if the logos bible program is accessible with 
>> VoiceOver either on the Mac or the iPad? I could use this program, or at 
>> least something like it for Bible-studies and such things, cause I'm 
>> going to a Bible college. I have three bible programs on my computer, and

>> none of them work; the accordance program is completely inaccessible; you

>> can do everything with it except get VoiceOver to read the Bible (Sheesh,

>> what else is a Bible program for if you can't actually read the Bible on 
>> the darned thing), and my River Bible program doesn't work at all, and 
>> neither does MacSword, at least not with Mavericks.  (It just barely 
>> worked the last time, never mind now; it won't even launch, and with the 
>> river Bible, it just keeps crashing and saying that there's a problem 
>> report). I really need something that'll work soon, so if someone can 
>> tell me what to do, that'l be awesome. I'm leaving for a Mission Exposure

>> trip in January, and if my computer won't work, I pretty much won't be 
>> able to take my Bible with me, except the ones on my iPhone, but the 
>> iPhone ones go crazy after awhile when I have no service; either that or 
>> they work so slowly it takes forever to find one passage. Does anyone 
>> have an iPad they'd like to get rid of? I'd want it to be in decent shape

>> obviously, but I'd be willing to pay a decent price for it, and if all 
>> the cases and what-not could come with it too, that'd be all the more 
>> awesome, and my professor promised to bring his iPad to school and he has

>> logos on it, so hopefully we'll be able to find out if it works with 
>> VoiceOver, which I don't think it did on my phone. Sorry, but I'm kind of

>> desperate, cause my braille Bible's huge, and you'd pretty much need a 
>> van or a decent sized car to carry it alone, never mind me and my other 
>> stuff and the rest of our group, so I can't take it along on the mission 
>> exposure trip.
>> Thanks!
>
>> God Bless!!!
>> Helena
>
>> May The Lord Bless you and keep you; May his face radiate with joy 
>> because of you' May He be gracious to you, show you His favour, and give 
>> you His peace.
>> (Numbers 6;24)
>
>> In Jesus' Name.
>>

Re: New Voices in Mavericks (was, Re: os 10.9, is it worth it?)

[BBS]

Hi Nick. It’s true that the Nuance voices still say capital before the capital 
letter. It also says that on the iPhone.

Shawn
Sent From My White Mac Book

On Oct 28, 2013, at 7:08 AM, Nicholas Parsons  
wrote:

> With the exception of Alex, doesn't it still say the word "capital" before 
> each letter even with beeps turned on? Whether pitch change or beeps I don't 
> mind, I just don't like it saying "capital" each time as that three syllable 
> word before each one syllable letter is horribly verbose and slow.
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Problems with Mail on the Mac.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hello.

After a hard day’s work and helping or trying to help some of you on list, I 
come home and can’t read my mail on the Mac properly.

Remember I said that I’d discovered a new way of reading mail without opening 
it, well, when I land on each individual message, Alex reads the first message, 
whatever message I put the cursor on.  However, if there is three 
conversations, I can’t go from message number one to two or three.  If I Tab, 
then the favourite or tool Bar gets in the way.  If I do VO J then Voice over 
says message selection but reads nothing.

I’m not in the classic view because I can’t stand conversation and Voice Over 
reads nothing if I press Left Arrow or Right Arrow with Vo pressed.  I think my 
Reading pain has turned itself on again as every message I cursor over is read.

If someone can tell me how I should read my mail then I’d be obliged.

Thank you very much.

Why can’t Apple leave meal as it was in Mountain Lion.  Every release of a new 
OS Mail is broken.

Yours in frustration.

Kawal.

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Re: Observation with voice on Mavericks

[BBS]

Yes Chris, I do think Karen is very human sounding but I’m not going to go as 
far as deleting Alex. Vicky maybe, but I like Alex’s ability to take breaths. 
Karen does take breaths sometimes but not all the time. I just wish there was a 
way of getting rid of the pitch changes for data detectors and search boxes. 
Then she would sound perfect.

Shawn
Sent From My White Mac Book

On Oct 28, 2013, at 2:31 PM, Chris H  wrote:

> I am using Karen under Mavericks and she is just brilliant. Superb quality 
> sound, human like voice, I actually use her as my VoiceOver voice while 
> Daniel is my system voice and Serina excuse spelling for the clock. Do you 
> feel the same about Karen? I've even gone as far as removing both Alex and 
> Vicki.
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Re: mail views all messed up now

[Ray Foret Jr]

Ah, okay.

AS for the tool bar, I discovered that I had curser tracking off and I fixed 
that.

Now, with respect to the value in the horizontal spliter, should I go down or 
up in value?  I find that if I go up in value, and I hit about 87 percent, mail 
suddenly goes busy and I wind up being able to do nothing so I quit it.  Maybe 
go down to zero in the value and then try the track pad thingy?

This almost seems to be a half baked cookie, in a way.


Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Oct 28, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi Ray,
> 
> I believe that Alex received the initial instructions from an Apple Support 
> person.  I more or less used some of those instructions along with my own 
> experience to come up with my instructions.  I, like Alex, had everything the 
> way it should be after my update to Mavericks and then decided to do some 
> testing after seeing some of the frustration expressed on this list.  Being 
> the cocky person that I am, I thought I’d have no problems.  Stupid me.  
> After lots of fussing, some assistance from my sighted wife, and some 
> investigation on the web, I determined that this is an issue for sighted 
> folks too.
> 
> So, I was able to fix things using the steps I outlined after some time and 
> frustration.  The messed up view where your ToolBar is in an odd location is 
> usually fixed after quitting and re-opening Mail.  I’m wondering if you could 
> add an extra step into this that might help it to work for you.  When you’ve 
> navigated to the Horizontal Splitter, Interact with it, then move with VO-up 
> or VO-down.  VO should announce percentage values relating to the size of the 
> Preview pane.  Now use VO-cmd-f5 to route the mouse to the VO location, then 
> perform the drag down of the Horizontal Splitter to see if it works for you.  
> Also, for accuracy sake, take a look in your VO settings under the Visuals 
> section, make sure that your VO Cursor magnification is set to 1.  This 
> should make sure that the mouse is going where it’s supposed to.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 28, 2013, at 12:28 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> Okay,
>> 
>> After fooling with the instructions to get rid of the preview pain, it’s 
>> still there.
>> 
>> Problem seems to be that I just cannot get rid of the damn horizontal 
>> splitter and make it go to the botton of the mail window.
>> 
>> Now, when I open mail, (in standard view) I land on my mail box table and 
>> find that as I arrow message to message, it tells me that the message is 
>> selected.  This would seem to indicate that preview pain is still on.  Would 
>> I be better off getting rid of the mail preferences file and jus rebuilding 
>> the account from scratch?  IF so, I cannot seem to find the mail prefs file 
>> in Library/Preferences.  Seems to me there’s got to be a better way than 
>> this.
>> 
>> Here’s exactly what I did.
>> 
>> 1.  Hide tool bar and favorites bar also.
>> 
>> 2.  Pressed zoom.
>> 
>> 3.  Go in to the prefs window and select for classic view.
>> 
>> 4.  Came out of prefs window and noticed that the horizontal splitter was 
>> just imedately to the right of the message table.
>> 
>> 5.  Next, I pressed VO+CMD+F5 to rout the track pad mouse directly to that 
>> spliter.
>> 
>> 6.  Next, pressed down on top of track pad making sure that it clicked when 
>> pressed and held finger there.
>> 
>> 7.  With finger still on track pad, slide finger down till I could move it 
>> no longer.  Heard nothing change.
>> 
>> 8.  I then let off the track pad.
>> 
>> 9.  Now, When I check again, I notice that the horizontal spliter is still 
>> right next to the message table.
>> 
>> 
>> Now, I’m almost at the end of my rope with this.
>> 
>> Did you call 
>> 1800-692-7753
>> to solve this or did you call the special accessibility number?
>> 
>> I guess I’ll have to pay for the support since my Apple care is up.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in!
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>> 
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battery life for trackpad

[don bishop]

Hi all,

I’ve had this imac for a bit over a month and just today I see the trackpad not 
working properly.  I’m guessing it’s the internal battery which drives the 
bluetooth.  First, not sure exactly how to access the batteries and secondly, 
what sort of life should I expect from these batteries.   
Thanks,

Don 

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Re: posting to group without gmail account

[Chris Blouch]

I'm not on gmail but I do have an account so I probably used that eons 
ago when I joined the group. If you let me know ahead of time I can add 
your new address to the list manually.


CB

On 10/27/13 8:41 AM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:

Listers,

If I were to give up my gmail account, would I lose the ability to post and 
read posts in this group? I seem to remember that I was not able to join 
macvisionaries group without having a gmail e-mail address. If so, am I for 
ever imprisoned by gmail and google?

Many thanks for your thoughts.

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Re: Gmail Issues in Mavericks, Pretty Major, Folks

[Chris Blouch]

There's always AOL mail. Has supported IMAP support for about a decade.

CB

On 10/25/13 2:26 PM, Jeff Bishop wrote:

There are a few:

iCloud
outlook.com (they now support imap and you can even bring your domain)
office365 ($4 per month but a huge deal if you want to pay for email)


-Original Message-
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Pauls
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:30 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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Subject: Re: Gmail Issues in Mavericks, Pretty Major, Folks

What are some Gmail replacements the list might recommend? What about using
iCloud mail or Hotmail? Would be interested in some fairly quick and dirty
workarounds.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 25, 2013, at 12:19 AM, May and Noah  wrote:

Hmm, guess I'm lucky. I'm not having any problems with gmail and

mavericks, but this is definitely an email I'll keep in case something
changes and I need this at a future date.

Thanks.

May and Prince Noah
www.canadianlynx.ca


On Oct 25, 2013, at 12:53 AM, Nicholas Parsons

 wrote:

Thanks, Teresa, it's great that you're pointing that out for folks. Some

of it isn't quite 100% accurate, however. From what I've read, for instance,
All Mail doesn't get placed in your Archive folder exactly. In fact, Mail
kind of gets rid of folders all together for gmail. Instead, just like gmail
on the web, there is only one folder per se, and that is All Mail. Messages
get given labels like inbox or whatever other personal labels you have,
which act much like folders only different. Rather than me trying to
explain, interested people are better off reading the following article:

http://tidbits.com/article/14219

Best,
Nic


On 25/10/2013, at 3:43 AM, Teresa Cochran 

wrote:

Someone brought up Gmail issues yesterday. There are definite snafus with

Gmail and Mail. basically, the "all mail" folder gets placed in the archive
folder, and it's necessary to have it enabled in Gmail settings on the
website. Depending on how much you use Gmail, this may or may not be a
show-stopper. If you switch to Pop mail, you can no longer use your labels
from the Gmail site, and you'd have to set up local rules for filtering
messages in apple Mail. Also, you can't move Gmail folders in apple mail.

Since I use Gmail for about 20 mailing lists I'm on, and I sync my mail

with my iPod, I'm going to try not to ditch Gmail for now. Whatever you do,
do *not* go into the "all mail" folder on your devices if you sync with
them, because a huge bog-down will possibly ensue. For example, I have
something like twenty thousand messages in my 'all mail" folder.

you can find stuff about this issue when you, uh, google it, so just

thought I'd clarify things just a tad. I hope it's clarified, at any rate.
:)

HtH,
Teresa

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Re: Problems with Mail on the Mac.

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

If VO-j results in the phrase “Message Selection”, then the Preview pane is 
likely disabled.  If the Preview Pane is disabled, the best way to read 
messages, in my opinion, is to press return on the conversation.  VO will then 
read the first message in the conversation to you.  Stop Interacting with the 
message then navigate right to get the next message in the conversation and so 
on.  You won’t need to Interact with any of the subsequent messages unless you 
want to get more detail on that specific one.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 28, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> Hello.
> 
> After a hard day’s work and helping or trying to help some of you on list, I 
> come home and can’t read my mail on the Mac properly.
> 
> Remember I said that I’d discovered a new way of reading mail without opening 
> it, well, when I land on each individual message, Alex reads the first 
> message, whatever message I put the cursor on.  However, if there is three 
> conversations, I can’t go from message number one to two or three.  If I Tab, 
> then the favourite or tool Bar gets in the way.  If I do VO J then Voice over 
> says message selection but reads nothing.
> 
> I’m not in the classic view because I can’t stand conversation and Voice Over 
> reads nothing if I press Left Arrow or Right Arrow with Vo pressed.  I think 
> my Reading pain has turned itself on again as every message I cursor over is 
> read.
> 
> If someone can tell me how I should read my mail then I’d be obliged.
> 
> Thank you very much.
> 
> Why can’t Apple leave meal as it was in Mountain Lion.  Every release of a 
> new OS Mail is broken.
> 
> Yours in frustration.
> 
> Kawal.
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Re: mail views all messed up now

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Just go up in value a little.  This is just to make sure that the splitter is 
moving properly and that the mouse will respond.  When using VO to move the 
splitter, it often won’t let you go all the way to 100% anyway.  After you’ve 
moved it 5 or 10%, then use VO-cmd-f5 to bring mouse focus to the VO cursor, 
then do the press and drag down thing.  VO should announce “Scroll area” if it 
worked.  It’s not extremely important where you start the drag from, but it’s 
best to do so from the top half of the Trackpad so that you have lots of drag 
space.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 28, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> Ah, okay.
> 
> AS for the tool bar, I discovered that I had curser tracking off and I fixed 
> that.
> 
> Now, with respect to the value in the horizontal spliter, should I go down or 
> up in value?  I find that if I go up in value, and I hit about 87 percent, 
> mail suddenly goes busy and I wind up being able to do nothing so I quit it.  
> Maybe go down to zero in the value and then try the track pad thingy?
> 
> This almost seems to be a half baked cookie, in a way.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
> 
> On Oct 28, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ray,
>> 
>> I believe that Alex received the initial instructions from an Apple Support 
>> person.  I more or less used some of those instructions along with my own 
>> experience to come up with my instructions.  I, like Alex, had everything 
>> the way it should be after my update to Mavericks and then decided to do 
>> some testing after seeing some of the frustration expressed on this list.  
>> Being the cocky person that I am, I thought I’d have no problems.  Stupid 
>> me.  After lots of fussing, some assistance from my sighted wife, and some 
>> investigation on the web, I determined that this is an issue for sighted 
>> folks too.
>> 
>> So, I was able to fix things using the steps I outlined after some time and 
>> frustration.  The messed up view where your ToolBar is in an odd location is 
>> usually fixed after quitting and re-opening Mail.  I’m wondering if you 
>> could add an extra step into this that might help it to work for you.  When 
>> you’ve navigated to the Horizontal Splitter, Interact with it, then move 
>> with VO-up or VO-down.  VO should announce percentage values relating to the 
>> size of the Preview pane.  Now use VO-cmd-f5 to route the mouse to the VO 
>> location, then perform the drag down of the Horizontal Splitter to see if it 
>> works for you.  Also, for accuracy sake, take a look in your VO settings 
>> under the Visuals section, make sure that your VO Cursor magnification is 
>> set to 1.  This should make sure that the mouse is going where it’s supposed 
>> to.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 12:28 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>>> Okay,
>>> 
>>> After fooling with the instructions to get rid of the preview pain, it’s 
>>> still there.
>>> 
>>> Problem seems to be that I just cannot get rid of the damn horizontal 
>>> splitter and make it go to the botton of the mail window.
>>> 
>>> Now, when I open mail, (in standard view) I land on my mail box table and 
>>> find that as I arrow message to message, it tells me that the message is 
>>> selected.  This would seem to indicate that preview pain is still on.  
>>> Would I be better off getting rid of the mail preferences file and jus 
>>> rebuilding the account from scratch?  IF so, I cannot seem to find the mail 
>>> prefs file in Library/Preferences.  Seems to me there’s got to be a better 
>>> way than this.
>>> 
>>> Here’s exactly what I did.
>>> 
>>> 1.  Hide tool bar and favorites bar also.
>>> 
>>> 2.  Pressed zoom.
>>> 
>>> 3.  Go in to the prefs window and select for classic view.
>>> 
>>> 4.  Came out of prefs window and noticed that the horizontal splitter was 
>>> just imedately to the right of the message table.
>>> 
>>> 5.  Next, I pressed VO+CMD+F5 to rout the track pad mouse directly to that 
>>> spliter.
>>> 
>>> 6.  Next, pressed down on top of track pad making sure that it clicked when 
>>> pressed and held finger there.
>>> 
>>> 7.  With finger still on track pad, slide finger down till I could move it 
>>> no longer.  Heard nothing change.
>>> 
>>> 8.  I then let off the track pad.
>>> 
>>> 9.  Now, When I check again, I notice that the horizontal spliter is still 
>>> right next to the message table.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Now, I’m almost at the end of my rope with this.
>>> 
>>> Did you call 
>>> 1800-692-7753
>>> to solve this or did you call the special accessibility number?
>>> 
>>> I guess I’ll have to pay for the support since my Apple care is up.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in!
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>

Re: Problems with Mail on the Mac.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

That's great Tim, I will do that in the future.

Sent from my I phone

> On 28 Oct 2013, at 09:46 pm, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> If VO-j results in the phrase “Message Selection”, then the Preview pane is 
> likely disabled.  If the Preview Pane is disabled, the best way to read 
> messages, in my opinion, is to press return on the conversation.  VO will 
> then read the first message in the conversation to you.  Stop Interacting 
> with the message then navigate right to get the next message in the 
> conversation and so on.  You won’t need to Interact with any of the 
> subsequent messages unless you want to get more detail on that specific one.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello.
>> 
>> After a hard day’s work and helping or trying to help some of you on list, I 
>> come home and can’t read my mail on the Mac properly.
>> 
>> Remember I said that I’d discovered a new way of reading mail without 
>> opening it, well, when I land on each individual message, Alex reads the 
>> first message, whatever message I put the cursor on.  However, if there is 
>> three conversations, I can’t go from message number one to two or three.  If 
>> I Tab, then the favourite or tool Bar gets in the way.  If I do VO J then 
>> Voice over says message selection but reads nothing.
>> 
>> I’m not in the classic view because I can’t stand conversation and Voice 
>> Over reads nothing if I press Left Arrow or Right Arrow with Vo pressed.  I 
>> think my Reading pain has turned itself on again as every message I cursor 
>> over is read.
>> 
>> If someone can tell me how I should read my mail then I’d be obliged.
>> 
>> Thank you very much.
>> 
>> Why can’t Apple leave meal as it was in Mountain Lion.  Every release of a 
>> new OS Mail is broken.
>> 
>> Yours in frustration.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
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Re: battery life for trackpad

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

To check the battery level, go under the BlueTooth menu item in the Menu 
Extras.  One of the items in there will be your Trackpad with a sub-menu.  
Activate that sub-menu and one of the items is the battery level.  If it does 
require new batteries, you will notice, I believe on the left-hand side of the 
Trackpad, a circular cover with a slot in it.  Use a dime, some other small 
coin or even a screwdriver to take that cover off.  Once the cover is off, you 
can dump the batteries out.  Take note of the direction to put them back in to 
though so not to put them in wrong.  Once the new batteries are in and the 
cover tightened up (do not tighten very hard, finger tight is fine), the power 
button is on the right side of the Trackpad.  Hold it in for about 2 seconds 
then release.  Give it a few seconds then everything should be good to go.

Regarding battery life, it all depends on how much you use it and the quality 
of the batteries installed.

HTH.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 28, 2013, at 3:16 PM, don bishop  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I’ve had this imac for a bit over a month and just today I see the trackpad 
> not working properly.  I’m guessing it’s the internal battery which drives 
> the bluetooth.  First, not sure exactly how to access the batteries and 
> secondly, what sort of life should I expect from these batteries.   
> Thanks,
> 
> Don 
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Seriously about to lose it . . .

[Christine Grassman]

For those of you who have been following my reinstallation saga, it seems that 
there is no way to get to a folder set up with Documents which I called Backup 
10272013. If I search for files within it, they show, but I can't get to them. 
When I go into my documents folder, it says "group" but it is just showing a 
mass of files, and the list isn't behaving normally.  It's sluggish and files 
are loading slowly, and sometimes focus is lost and I jump back to the top or 
bottom of the list. It is a complete mess. 
I tried using Finder to search, but this, too, isn't bringing me to the folder. 
So Spotlight is showing me files within it and the named folder, but I cannot 
get to it. I am beyond frustrated. 
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Re: Gmail Issues in Mavericks, Pretty Major, Folks

[Maria From Australia]

hi.

I'm still trying to figure out if i'm having problems. I am away from home and 
so am using a portable hot spot. Don't really want to turn on all mail. i 
wonder if limiting the size of the all mail folder would stop gmail from 
downloading everything and help with any sincing problems? 
any ideas? don't really want to have to pay for email but is there anything 
free out there that offers a fair bit of space? and-or is there an accessible 
email client for mac? i love apple mail and enjoy gmail so I hope it can be 
resolved but it's good to look at alternatives just in case. 

Blessings!  Maria and my guide Karly  email bubbygirl1...@gmail.com


Sent from my iPhone

> On 29 Oct 2013, at 8:36 am, Chris Blouch  wrote:
> 
> There's always AOL mail. Has supported IMAP support for about a decade.
> 
> CB
> 
>> On 10/25/13 2:26 PM, Jeff Bishop wrote:
>> There are a few:
>> 
>> iCloud
>> outlook.com (they now support imap and you can even bring your domain)
>> office365 ($4 per month but a huge deal if you want to pay for email)
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Pauls
>> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:30 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Cc: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Gmail Issues in Mavericks, Pretty Major, Folks
>> 
>> What are some Gmail replacements the list might recommend? What about using
>> iCloud mail or Hotmail? Would be interested in some fairly quick and dirty
>> workarounds.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 25, 2013, at 12:19 AM, May and Noah  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hmm, guess I'm lucky. I'm not having any problems with gmail and
>> mavericks, but this is definitely an email I'll keep in case something
>> changes and I need this at a future date.
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> May and Prince Noah
>>> www.canadianlynx.ca
>>> 
 On Oct 25, 2013, at 12:53 AM, Nicholas Parsons
>>  wrote:
 Thanks, Teresa, it's great that you're pointing that out for folks. Some
>> of it isn't quite 100% accurate, however. From what I've read, for instance,
>> All Mail doesn't get placed in your Archive folder exactly. In fact, Mail
>> kind of gets rid of folders all together for gmail. Instead, just like gmail
>> on the web, there is only one folder per se, and that is All Mail. Messages
>> get given labels like inbox or whatever other personal labels you have,
>> which act much like folders only different. Rather than me trying to
>> explain, interested people are better off reading the following article:
 http://tidbits.com/article/14219
 
 Best,
 Nic
 
 
 On 25/10/2013, at 3:43 AM, Teresa Cochran 
>> wrote:
 Someone brought up Gmail issues yesterday. There are definite snafus with
>> Gmail and Mail. basically, the "all mail" folder gets placed in the archive
>> folder, and it's necessary to have it enabled in Gmail settings on the
>> website. Depending on how much you use Gmail, this may or may not be a
>> show-stopper. If you switch to Pop mail, you can no longer use your labels
>> from the Gmail site, and you'd have to set up local rules for filtering
>> messages in apple Mail. Also, you can't move Gmail folders in apple mail.
 Since I use Gmail for about 20 mailing lists I'm on, and I sync my mail
>> with my iPod, I'm going to try not to ditch Gmail for now. Whatever you do,
>> do *not* go into the "all mail" folder on your devices if you sync with
>> them, because a huge bog-down will possibly ensue. For example, I have
>> something like twenty thousand messages in my 'all mail" folder.
 you can find stuff about this issue when you, uh, google it, so just
>> thought I'd clarify things just a tad. I hope it's clarified, at any rate.
>> :)
 HtH,
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Re: Pages and dates

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Anne,

I was reading up on some Pages issues and you’re not alone in your frustration 
with Mail Merge fields and such.  I noticed that when upgrading from iWork 09 
to the new Pages and such that my old version of iWork 09 remained on my Mac in 
my Applications folder.  Yours should have done the same since you were running 
from a older CD install of iWork.  If you didn’t already get rid of it, you are 
able to run the Pages 4.3 in Mavericks as well and the Mail Merge functionality 
is still there.  If not, you should still be able to re-install it from your 
original CD then have both usable copies of Pages.  Not the best way of running 
things but may help with some of the lost features that you were accustomed to. 
 Beyond that, it appears that quite a number of people have been letting Apple 
know their disappointment with these feature losses and maybe they will 
re-instate them in a future update.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 28, 2013, at 1:24 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> I’m going through my teaching materials for Pages and finding problems. The 
> latest one is that we can no longer modify the date style in a document using 
> a contextual menu. Pages takes the date style from System 
> preferences/Language&Region/Advanced where it uses the Full version of the 
> date. We can copy whatever style of date we like into that field, but this is 
> really irritating as, speaking for myself, I don’t always want to use the 
> same format.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
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Re: Macupdate desktop on mavericks.

[Annie Skov Nielsen]

Hi John.

Yes if the app still worked, it could also update dropbox. The advantage is 
that you can get macupdate desktop to do a lot of that updating work. It is one 
of the most useful apps I have.

Best regards Annie.
Den 27 Oct 2013 kl. 22:09 skrev John Sanfilippo :

> Oo, 
> 
> Would this work to update dropbox?, I mean, if it works at all?
> 
> John S
> 
> 
> On Oct 27, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Nic.
> 
> I use macupdate desktop for updating apps, that I have not purchased from the 
> app store. It is an advantage, because some apps is a little difficult to 
> find, and macupdate desktop lets me update them just by one click. Macupdate 
> desktop will download them and install them. Also these silverlight apps and 
> other audio apps, which is a bit tricky. I am really sad, that the app does 
> not work now.
> 
> Best regards Annie.
> Den 27 Oct 2013 kl. 21:38 skrev Nicholas Parsons 
> :
> 
>> Sorry I can't answer your question, but perhaps you can answer one of mine. 
>> What does the MacUpdate Desktop do? What's the advantage of using it? I have 
>> some software from MacUpdate and am often interested in their deals, but 
>> wasn't exactly sure why I would want or need the desktop app. Does it allow 
>> you to brows, view or purchase new apps?
>> Cheers,
>> Nic
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Re: a showstopper in the latest safari update

[Steve Holmes]

I have been hearing about so many issues with Mail under Mavericks while using 
gmail and IMAP. I seem to hear more bad news than good news on this matter so I 
am obliged to stay back on Mountain Lion till this can be resolved or I find a 
different mail client. Using POP is a non-starter for me. IMAP has too many 
advantages for me to give up to go back to something so backward as POP.

I've even tried Mutt in the terminal on the Mac and that has some promise but 
VO doesn't really track that easily in shell environments.

On Oct 25, 2013, at 1:41 PM, matthew dyer  
wrote:

> Hi Eric,
> 
> I am using gmail with mail in maverecs and I am having no problems.  Yes it 
> takes time to sync messages with mail, but it is fine here.  Just throughing 
> that out there for what it is worth.
> 
> 
> matthew dyer 
> sent from my 27 inch iMac.
> 
> 
> 
> facebook, facetime and iMessage: ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com
> 
> Skype: graduater2004
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 24, 2013, at 5:12 PM, eric oyen  wrote:
> 
>> I may have to try mavericks to see what its like. from what I hear though, 
>> the email subsystem might cause me problems with gmail.
>> 
>> anyway, I will DL it and see what I can see.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Oct 24, 2013, at 8:28 AM, Matt Dierckens wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Unfortunately, Eric can't upgrade to ML, but I think he can to Mavericks. 
>>> Didn't Tim cook say that its possible even on Snow leopard?
>>> 
>>> Matt Dierckens
>>> matt.dierck...@gmail.com
>>> Assistive Technology Trainer
>>> IOS and Macintosh User support
>>> Windsor area
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2013-10-24, at 11:24 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
 A lot of the busy issues were fixed in mountain lion, you may want to 
 update your operating system.
 Original message:
> The new Safari 6.1 went on my Lion system today and now some voiceover 
> issues have developed.
 
> 1. Web Item rotor no longer shows all headers on a google search, or on 
> some other pages.
> 2. on any web page where there is a tweet text field, any attempt to 
> enter text there results in the browser going busy and forcing a 
> force-quit.
 
> also, when scrolling through google searches, the website info on each 
> search gets repeated at each new element (be it text, links or headers).
 
> there is also inconsistent behavior when trying to open links using the 
> VO+shift+M context menu. SOme options that should show up (like open link 
> in new tab or page) don't more than half the time.
 
> Since I am totally blind and have to depend on both voiceover and Safari 
> to work properly, when they don't, I am basically left trying to get both 
> to work again. In one case, installing an add-on to solve captchas 
> resulted in voiceover completely crashing and then refusing to restart on 
> CMD-F5.
 
> THese issues are entirely unacceptable and are required to be fixed 
> immediately.
 
> As an aside, similar issues crop up with google-chrome with the same 
> frequency. Don't even ask about FireFox (it works barely some of the 
> time).
 
> You folks need to repair this. I am also copying this to 2 related 
> mailing lists.
 
> Please take care of this, POST HASTE!
 
> -eric
 
 
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removing hole albums from ipod tuch with the latest verssion of itunes?

[trahern culver]

hey all i’m running mac os10.9 with the latest version of iTunes and i have 
the latest ipod touch with the latest i os on it i’m looking for a way to 
remove hole albums from the ipod with itunes by searching for them  then 
deleting  them. 

can any one help me with this please? your help with this question would be 
most welcome kind regards trahern.

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Re: a showstopper in the latest safari update

[Maria and Joe Chapman]

Hi.  I’m not seeming to have too many problems. Having said that, I’m on a 
portable hot spot at the moment so the internet isn’t always on etc.  I seem to 
be receiving and sending mail ok.  Don’t have the all mail folder showing yet, 
but have limited it to a smaller size in gmail hoping that if I do have to turn 
it on it won’t mess things up too much.  Will keep an eye on this thread.
Warm regards and blessings 
Maria, Joe and FurBabies
Email:  iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com



On 29 Oct 2013, at 12:57 pm, Steve Holmes  wrote:

> I have been hearing about so many issues with Mail under Mavericks while 
> using gmail and IMAP. I seem to hear more bad news than good news on this 
> matter so I am obliged to stay back on Mountain Lion till this can be 
> resolved or I find a different mail client. Using POP is a non-starter for 
> me. IMAP has too many advantages for me to give up to go back to something so 
> backward as POP.
> 
> I've even tried Mutt in the terminal on the Mac and that has some promise but 
> VO doesn't really track that easily in shell environments.
> 
> On Oct 25, 2013, at 1:41 PM, matthew dyer  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Eric,
>> 
>> I am using gmail with mail in maverecs and I am having no problems.  Yes it 
>> takes time to sync messages with mail, but it is fine here.  Just throughing 
>> that out there for what it is worth.
>> 
>> 
>> matthew dyer 
>> sent from my 27 inch iMac.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> facebook, facetime and iMessage: ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Skype: graduater2004
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 24, 2013, at 5:12 PM, eric oyen  wrote:
>> 
>>> I may have to try mavericks to see what its like. from what I hear though, 
>>> the email subsystem might cause me problems with gmail.
>>> 
>>> anyway, I will DL it and see what I can see.
>>> 
>>> -eric
>>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2013, at 8:28 AM, Matt Dierckens wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 Unfortunately, Eric can't upgrade to ML, but I think he can to Mavericks. 
 Didn't Tim cook say that its possible even on Snow leopard?
 
 Matt Dierckens
 matt.dierck...@gmail.com
 Assistive Technology Trainer
 IOS and Macintosh User support
 Windsor area
 
 
 On 2013-10-24, at 11:24 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
 
> A lot of the busy issues were fixed in mountain lion, you may want to 
> update your operating system.
> Original message:
>> The new Safari 6.1 went on my Lion system today and now some voiceover 
>> issues have developed.
> 
>> 1. Web Item rotor no longer shows all headers on a google search, or on 
>> some other pages.
>> 2. on any web page where there is a tweet text field, any attempt to 
>> enter text there results in the browser going busy and forcing a 
>> force-quit.
> 
>> also, when scrolling through google searches, the website info on each 
>> search gets repeated at each new element (be it text, links or headers).
> 
>> there is also inconsistent behavior when trying to open links using the 
>> VO+shift+M context menu. SOme options that should show up (like open 
>> link in new tab or page) don't more than half the time.
> 
>> Since I am totally blind and have to depend on both voiceover and Safari 
>> to work properly, when they don't, I am basically left trying to get 
>> both to work again. In one case, installing an add-on to solve captchas 
>> resulted in voiceover completely crashing and then refusing to restart 
>> on CMD-F5.
> 
>> THese issues are entirely unacceptable and are required to be fixed 
>> immediately.
> 
>> As an aside, similar issues crop up with google-chrome with the same 
>> frequency. Don't even ask about FireFox (it works barely some of the 
>> time).
> 
>> You folks need to repair this. I am also copying this to 2 related 
>> mailing lists.
> 
>> Please take care of this, POST HASTE!
> 
>> -eric
> 
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Re: a showstopper in the latest safari update

[Alex Hall]

I can send and (usually) receive, but I am having problems. The badge is never 
updated, mail I move to another folder doesn’t stay there, mail I erase 
sometimes re-appears, some folders will suddenly stop updating while others are 
fine… All told, I like Maverix but am almost ready to downgrade just to have a 
solid mail experience. I am only not doing so because it is a hassle, and I 
know that as soon as I do it an update will come along to fix the problems.
On Oct 28, 2013, at 10:01 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman  
wrote:

> Hi.  I’m not seeming to have too many problems. Having said that, I’m on a 
> portable hot spot at the moment so the internet isn’t always on etc.  I seem 
> to be receiving and sending mail ok.  Don’t have the all mail folder showing 
> yet, but have limited it to a smaller size in gmail hoping that if I do have 
> to turn it on it won’t mess things up too much.  Will keep an eye on this 
> thread.
> Warm regards and blessings 
> Maria, Joe and FurBabies
> Email:  iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On 29 Oct 2013, at 12:57 pm, Steve Holmes  wrote:
> 
>> I have been hearing about so many issues with Mail under Mavericks while 
>> using gmail and IMAP. I seem to hear more bad news than good news on this 
>> matter so I am obliged to stay back on Mountain Lion till this can be 
>> resolved or I find a different mail client. Using POP is a non-starter for 
>> me. IMAP has too many advantages for me to give up to go back to something 
>> so backward as POP.
>> 
>> I've even tried Mutt in the terminal on the Mac and that has some promise 
>> but VO doesn't really track that easily in shell environments.
>> 
>> On Oct 25, 2013, at 1:41 PM, matthew dyer  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Eric,
>>> 
>>> I am using gmail with mail in maverecs and I am having no problems.  Yes it 
>>> takes time to sync messages with mail, but it is fine here.  Just 
>>> throughing that out there for what it is worth.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> matthew dyer 
>>> sent from my 27 inch iMac.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> facebook, facetime and iMessage: ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> Skype: graduater2004
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2013, at 5:12 PM, eric oyen  wrote:
>>> 
 I may have to try mavericks to see what its like. from what I hear though, 
 the email subsystem might cause me problems with gmail.
 
 anyway, I will DL it and see what I can see.
 
 -eric
 
 On Oct 24, 2013, at 8:28 AM, Matt Dierckens wrote:
 
> Hi,
> Unfortunately, Eric can't upgrade to ML, but I think he can to Mavericks. 
> Didn't Tim cook say that its possible even on Snow leopard?
> 
> Matt Dierckens
> matt.dierck...@gmail.com
> Assistive Technology Trainer
> IOS and Macintosh User support
> Windsor area
> 
> 
> On 2013-10-24, at 11:24 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
>> A lot of the busy issues were fixed in mountain lion, you may want to 
>> update your operating system.
>> Original message:
>>> The new Safari 6.1 went on my Lion system today and now some voiceover 
>>> issues have developed.
>> 
>>> 1. Web Item rotor no longer shows all headers on a google search, or on 
>>> some other pages.
>>> 2. on any web page where there is a tweet text field, any attempt to 
>>> enter text there results in the browser going busy and forcing a 
>>> force-quit.
>> 
>>> also, when scrolling through google searches, the website info on each 
>>> search gets repeated at each new element (be it text, links or headers).
>> 
>>> there is also inconsistent behavior when trying to open links using the 
>>> VO+shift+M context menu. SOme options that should show up (like open 
>>> link in new tab or page) don't more than half the time.
>> 
>>> Since I am totally blind and have to depend on both voiceover and 
>>> Safari to work properly, when they don't, I am basically left trying to 
>>> get both to work again. In one case, installing an add-on to solve 
>>> captchas resulted in voiceover completely crashing and then refusing to 
>>> restart on CMD-F5.
>> 
>>> THese issues are entirely unacceptable and are required to be fixed 
>>> immediately.
>> 
>>> As an aside, similar issues crop up with google-chrome with the same 
>>> frequency. Don't even ask about FireFox (it works barely some of the 
>>> time).
>> 
>>> You folks need to repair this. I am also copying this to 2 related 
>>> mailing lists.
>> 
>>> Please take care of this, POST HASTE!
>> 
>>> -eric
>> 
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Re: voiceover freezing

[Steve Holmes]

I also find that if Mail is left running then it begins syncing up with my IMAP 
gmail folders and stuff and this tends to cumber my machine and cause VO to be 
slugish until all is caught up.

On Oct 26, 2013, at 6:18 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> When your computer goes to sleep, Voiceover sometimes takes a few seconds 
> longer to speak when you wake up the machine.
> 
> hth
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Oct 26, 2013, at 6:53 AM, May and Noah  wrote:
> 
>> Hey there.
>> 
>> Just curious if anyone knows why voiceover would freeze all of a sudden? it 
>> seems to be happening after my computer is sitting a while and I’m not doing 
>> anything. I have my screen saver off so that’s not it. I thought it was so 
>> turned it off, but it’s still happening.
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Logos Bible Program on iPad or Mac

[Helena Fehr]

The thing is, that I'm going up North in Manitoba to where the native reserves 
are in January, and I hear the cell phone service is horrible out there, which 
right now is my only source of internet for either the phone or Mac. This means 
I will need a portable device so that I can store any Logos books or programs I 
buy right on the device. It will need to work so that I can access any material 
I will need (especially actualy being able to read Bible passages) on the 
device without having to go online. This trip up north is a Missions Exposure 
trip I will be taking with the second year class in our Bible College, so it 
will be important to have my Bible with me, and that it will be accessible in 
one form or another. I could bring my audio Cd's, but it takes forever to be 
able to access certain passages because the CD's don't read the verses in teh 
chapters, but only the chapters, so that if I want to find John 3:16 for 
example, I've got to read all of John chapter 3, and I won't actually know 
where verse sixteen even starts, because the cD won't tell me that. Besides, my 
Daisy Player's baterry only lasts for two to three hours, so this won't really 
work at all.
It sounds to me like then the most ideal option would be to get an iad, and get 
Logos put on it, and purchase soem books or at least for now the Bible so that 
I can read my bible on the Missions' trip. This is why I'm asking if someone 
has an iPad they don't want or are willing to sell. If you, or if you know 
someone, who wants to sell an iPad, please email me privately, so that we can 
work out the arrangements. If I am going to get an iPad, I prefer a full-sized 
iPad, because it will have a bigger screen and will allow me to have more room 
to access stuff on it. Thanks!

God Bless!!!
Helena

May The Lord Bless you and keep you; May his face radiate with joy because of 
you' May He be gracious to you, show you His favour, and give you His peace.
(Numbers 6;24)

In Jesus' Name.
Amen

Helena Fehr
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Re: Dictation

[Alex Hall]

I don’t know about corrections, I did not even know that was possible.

That percentage is possibly your microphone level indicator. What happens if 
you just hit function twice? Do you get the ding sound but dictation fails? 
Does it not even get that far? Have you restarted the whole computer yet?
On Oct 28, 2013, at 3:57 PM, Daniela Rubio  wrote:

> Hi! Doe’s anybody know if a VO user can take advantage of corrections in 
> enhanced dictation?
> Thanks!
> 
> Daniela Rubio T
> iPhone: +34662328507
> 
> 
> 
> El 28/10/2013, a las 20:07, Dave  escribió:
> 
>> When I check the system dialog, the percentage of the download drops rather 
>> than goes up. It's very strange. The system dialog also disappears after a 
>> few seconds.
>>  
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Re: Gmail Issues in Mavericks, Pretty Major, Folks

[Chris Blouch]

Just to clarify, AOL mail is also free and has been for some years. I'm 
not sure if there is an upper limit on the mailbox size but I currently 
have about 34,000 messages in my inbox at the moment so whatever the 
limit is, it's pretty high.


Full disclosure, I'm currently working with the AOL mail folks to make 
their products accessible, but it's not perfect yet.


CB

On 10/28/13 6:34 PM, Maria From Australia wrote:

hi.

I'm still trying to figure out if i'm having problems. I am away from home and 
so am using a portable hot spot. Don't really want to turn on all mail. i 
wonder if limiting the size of the all mail folder would stop gmail from 
downloading everything and help with any sincing problems?
any ideas? don't really want to have to pay for email but is there anything 
free out there that offers a fair bit of space? and-or is there an accessible 
email client for mac? i love apple mail and enjoy gmail so I hope it can be 
resolved but it's good to look at alternatives just in case.

Blessings!  Maria and my guide Karly  email bubbygirl1...@gmail.com


Sent from my iPhone


On 29 Oct 2013, at 8:36 am, Chris Blouch  wrote:

There's always AOL mail. Has supported IMAP support for about a decade.

CB


On 10/25/13 2:26 PM, Jeff Bishop wrote:
There are a few:

iCloud
outlook.com (they now support imap and you can even bring your domain)
office365 ($4 per month but a huge deal if you want to pay for email)


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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Pauls
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:30 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Cc: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Gmail Issues in Mavericks, Pretty Major, Folks

What are some Gmail replacements the list might recommend? What about using
iCloud mail or Hotmail? Would be interested in some fairly quick and dirty
workarounds.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 25, 2013, at 12:19 AM, May and Noah  wrote:

Hmm, guess I'm lucky. I'm not having any problems with gmail and

mavericks, but this is definitely an email I'll keep in case something
changes and I need this at a future date.

Thanks.

May and Prince Noah
www.canadianlynx.ca


On Oct 25, 2013, at 12:53 AM, Nicholas Parsons

 wrote:

Thanks, Teresa, it's great that you're pointing that out for folks. Some

of it isn't quite 100% accurate, however. From what I've read, for instance,
All Mail doesn't get placed in your Archive folder exactly. In fact, Mail
kind of gets rid of folders all together for gmail. Instead, just like gmail
on the web, there is only one folder per se, and that is All Mail. Messages
get given labels like inbox or whatever other personal labels you have,
which act much like folders only different. Rather than me trying to
explain, interested people are better off reading the following article:

http://tidbits.com/article/14219

Best,
Nic


On 25/10/2013, at 3:43 AM, Teresa Cochran 

wrote:

Someone brought up Gmail issues yesterday. There are definite snafus with

Gmail and Mail. basically, the "all mail" folder gets placed in the archive
folder, and it's necessary to have it enabled in Gmail settings on the
website. Depending on how much you use Gmail, this may or may not be a
show-stopper. If you switch to Pop mail, you can no longer use your labels
from the Gmail site, and you'd have to set up local rules for filtering
messages in apple Mail. Also, you can't move Gmail folders in apple mail.

Since I use Gmail for about 20 mailing lists I'm on, and I sync my mail

with my iPod, I'm going to try not to ditch Gmail for now. Whatever you do,
do *not* go into the "all mail" folder on your devices if you sync with
them, because a huge bog-down will possibly ensue. For example, I have
something like twenty thousand messages in my 'all mail" folder.

you can find stuff about this issue when you, uh, google it, so just

thought I'd clarify things just a tad. I hope it's clarified, at any rate.
:)

HtH,
Teresa

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Re: Logos Bible Program on iPad or Mac

[BBS]

Hi all. I haven’t been paying attention to this thread because I don’t read the 
bible, but isn’t there a bible you could buy that would work with iBooks? Just 
curious.

Shawn
Sent From My White Mac Book

On Oct 28, 2013, at 9:20 PM, Helena Fehr  wrote:

> The thing is, that I'm going up North in Manitoba to where the native 
> reserves are in January, and I hear the cell phone service is horrible out 
> there, which right now is my only source of internet for either the phone or 
> Mac. This means I will need a portable device so that I can store any Logos 
> books or programs I buy right on the device. It will need to work so that I 
> can access any material I will need (especially actualy being able to read 
> Bible passages) on the device without having to go online. This trip up north 
> is a Missions Exposure trip I will be taking with the second year class in 
> our Bible College, so it will be important to have my Bible with me, and that 
> it will be accessible in one form or another. I could bring my audio Cd's, 
> but it takes forever to be able to access certain passages because the CD's 
> don't read the verses in teh chapters, but only the chapters, so that if I 
> want to find John 3:16 for example, I've got to read all of John chapter 3, 
> and I won't actually know where verse sixteen even starts, because the cD 
> won't tell me that. Besides, my Daisy Player's baterry only lasts for two to 
> three hours, so this won't really work at all.
> It sounds to me like then the most ideal option would be to get an iad, and 
> get Logos put on it, and purchase soem books or at least for now the Bible so 
> that I can read my bible on the Missions' trip. This is why I'm asking if 
> someone has an iPad they don't want or are willing to sell. If you, or if you 
> know someone, who wants to sell an iPad, please email me privately, so that 
> we can work out the arrangements. If I am going to get an iPad, I prefer a 
> full-sized iPad, because it will have a bigger screen and will allow me to 
> have more room to access stuff on it. Thanks!
> 
> God Bless!!!
>   Helena
> 
> May The Lord Bless you and keep you; May his face radiate with joy because of 
> you' May He be gracious to you, show you His favour, and give you His peace.
> (Numbers 6;24)
> 
> In Jesus' Name.
> Amen
> 
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Re: Observation with voice on Mavericks

[Teresa Cochran]

I like Karen a lot, but due to my slight hearing impairment, I can’t always 
understand her perfectly. I used her on IOS for awhile, but had to switch back 
to Samantha, because I preferred using the American english braille table.

Teresa

Slow down; you'll get there faster.

On Oct 28, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Chris H  wrote:

> I am using Karen under Mavericks and she is just brilliant. Superb quality 
> sound, human like voice, I actually use her as my VoiceOver voice while 
> Daniel is my system voice and Serina excuse spelling for the clock. Do you 
> feel the same about Karen? I've even gone as far as removing both Alex and 
> Vicki.
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Re: mail views all messed up now

[Teresa Cochran]

Also, when performing these mouse functions, I find that full-screen mode gives 
you much better control.

Hth,
Teresa

"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too 
dark to read."--Groucho Marx

On Oct 28, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Just go up in value a little.  This is just to make sure that the splitter is 
> moving properly and that the mouse will respond.  When using VO to move the 
> splitter, it often won’t let you go all the way to 100% anyway.  After you’ve 
> moved it 5 or 10%, then use VO-cmd-f5 to bring mouse focus to the VO cursor, 
> then do the press and drag down thing.  VO should announce “Scroll area” if 
> it worked.  It’s not extremely important where you start the drag from, but 
> it’s best to do so from the top half of the Trackpad so that you have lots of 
> drag space.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 28, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> Ah, okay.
>> 
>> AS for the tool bar, I discovered that I had curser tracking off and I fixed 
>> that.
>> 
>> Now, with respect to the value in the horizontal spliter, should I go down 
>> or up in value?  I find that if I go up in value, and I hit about 87 
>> percent, mail suddenly goes busy and I wind up being able to do nothing so I 
>> quit it.  Maybe go down to zero in the value and then try the track pad 
>> thingy?
>> 
>> This almost seems to be a half baked cookie, in a way.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in!
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>> 
>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Ray,
>>> 
>>> I believe that Alex received the initial instructions from an Apple Support 
>>> person.  I more or less used some of those instructions along with my own 
>>> experience to come up with my instructions.  I, like Alex, had everything 
>>> the way it should be after my update to Mavericks and then decided to do 
>>> some testing after seeing some of the frustration expressed on this list.  
>>> Being the cocky person that I am, I thought I’d have no problems.  Stupid 
>>> me.  After lots of fussing, some assistance from my sighted wife, and some 
>>> investigation on the web, I determined that this is an issue for sighted 
>>> folks too.
>>> 
>>> So, I was able to fix things using the steps I outlined after some time and 
>>> frustration.  The messed up view where your ToolBar is in an odd location 
>>> is usually fixed after quitting and re-opening Mail.  I’m wondering if you 
>>> could add an extra step into this that might help it to work for you.  When 
>>> you’ve navigated to the Horizontal Splitter, Interact with it, then move 
>>> with VO-up or VO-down.  VO should announce percentage values relating to 
>>> the size of the Preview pane.  Now use VO-cmd-f5 to route the mouse to the 
>>> VO location, then perform the drag down of the Horizontal Splitter to see 
>>> if it works for you.  Also, for accuracy sake, take a look in your VO 
>>> settings under the Visuals section, make sure that your VO Cursor 
>>> magnification is set to 1.  This should make sure that the mouse is going 
>>> where it’s supposed to.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 12:28 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
 Okay,
 
 After fooling with the instructions to get rid of the preview pain, it’s 
 still there.
 
 Problem seems to be that I just cannot get rid of the damn horizontal 
 splitter and make it go to the botton of the mail window.
 
 Now, when I open mail, (in standard view) I land on my mail box table and 
 find that as I arrow message to message, it tells me that the message is 
 selected.  This would seem to indicate that preview pain is still on.  
 Would I be better off getting rid of the mail preferences file and jus 
 rebuilding the account from scratch?  IF so, I cannot seem to find the 
 mail prefs file in Library/Preferences.  Seems to me there’s got to be a 
 better way than this.
 
 Here’s exactly what I did.
 
 1.  Hide tool bar and favorites bar also.
 
 2.  Pressed zoom.
 
 3.  Go in to the prefs window and select for classic view.
 
 4.  Came out of prefs window and noticed that the horizontal splitter was 
 just imedately to the right of the message table.
 
 5.  Next, I pressed VO+CMD+F5 to rout the track pad mouse directly to that 
 spliter.
 
 6.  Next, pressed down on top of track pad making sure that it clicked 
 when pressed and held finger there.
 
 7.  With finger still on track pad, slide finger down till I could move it 
 no longer.  Heard nothing change.
 
 8.  I then let off the track pad.
 
 9.  Now, When I check again, I notice that the horizontal spliter is still 

Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail

[Steve Holmes]

So, does this mean you cannot turn off preview in standard mode with Mavericks 
Mail now?

If this is the case, then another reason for me to stay back on Mountain Lion.

On Oct 27, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Michael Marshall  
wrote:

> hey,
> i love modern view it stops a lot of the VO chatter so i think i will stay 
> with it myself.
> On 28 Oct 2013, at 2:56 am, Buddy Brannan  wrote:
> 
>> While you can switch back to modern view, your settings won’t stick. If you 
>> close your message view window after making the change to eliminate the 
>> preview pane, or if you exit mail and go back in, the preview pane is back. 
>> At last, that’s what happened to me after I made the change. Only way to 
>> make the preview pane stay gone is to stay in class view. A shame, because 
>> I’ve kinda gotten to like modern view.
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Teresa Cochran  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I find it easiest to do this in full-screen mode, command-control F for 
>>> Mail. Turn mouse keys on. Switch to classic view in Mail preferences. You 
>>> can use vO to place the mouse. Just navigate to the message table, but 
>>> don’t interact with it. VO-right once and you should reach the horizontal 
>>> splitter. Press control-VO-f5 to place the mouse there. Press the 
>>> zero/insert key on the numpad once to lock the mouse down, then press and 
>>> hold the six/right-arrow key on the numpad till you hear VO’s focus 
>>> changing. this can take several seconds. Then press the period/delete key 
>>> on the numpad to release the mouse. Double-check to be sure the horizontal 
>>> splitter and preview pane are gone. At this point, you can switch back to 
>>> modern view in Mail preferences if you wish.
>>> 
>>> HtH,
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> Slow down; you'll get there faster.
>>> 
>>> On Oct 27, 2013, at 4:13 AM, Kliphton ---  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Looks like I still have a lot to learn.  How do you place the mouse 
 pointer where you want it.  Also,  when you say you push numpad period, 
 what key do you push on the numpad?  Or maybe I am miss understanding?
 
 
 Kliphton
 (iMessage&Email) kliphton@outlook.com
 (Twitter,Instagram,FourSquare&Skype) kliphton72
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:27 PM, "Teresa Cochran" 
  wrote:
 
 I use mouse keys, which is an accessibility feature you can enable in the 
 accessibility dialog, command-option-f5. Once you turn these on, they 
 actually move the real mouse pointer. I put mail in classic view, then 
 move to the right of the messages table, and place my mouse pointer on the 
 horizontal splitter. I press the 0 key on the keypad once, and this locks 
 the mouse down. then I hold down the number 6 key, which moves the mouse 
 to the right. When I hear VO say something different, I release the mouse 
 key with numpad period. I like using this method, because I don’t track 
 straight with a traditional mouse or the trackpad, but this way ensures 
 that I do.
 
 HtH,
 Teresa
 
 "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham
 
 On Oct 26, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Debbie April Yuille 
  wrote:
 
> Hi Teresa
> 
> How do you disable the preview pane?
> 
> Debbie
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran
> Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2013 10:02 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail
> 
> As an additional note, I notice that with the preview pane disabled and 
> with
> five preview lines of message text enabled, VO sure reads a lot more than
> five lines. It's almost like having the preview pane available without
> having to switch to it. pretty cool. :)
> 
> Teresa
> 
> "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham
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Re: Mavericks and Gmail

[Steve Holmes]

Another reason I would never use POP on any mail server is, I like to filter 
all my inbound email into separate folders like one for each list I'm 
subscribed to. You *CANNOT* do this under pop. I use gmail's host based rules 
to do this and this way I get the same folder structure on all my devices. If 
you use pop, you have to to all filtering rules on one machine and any other 
devices will not see this structure. I suppose if you only read mail on one 
device then pop may be OK for you but as for me, I will never use it!

On Oct 27, 2013, at 1:42 PM, Nicholas Parsons  
wrote:

> HI Teresa,
> When you updated, did all your messages saved in the [IMAP]/Archive 
> folder–that is, Mail's special Archive folder–get merged with all your 
> archived messages in All Mail? Or does this still remain a separate, but now 
> redundant, folder in Mavericks?
> Thanks,
> Nic
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Re: a showstopper in the latest safari update

[eric oyen]

I wish I could try out Mt. Lion here. However, this macbook is one revision too 
old to be supported.

Anyway, the Safari saga continues. I really wish some of the coders at apple 
had an understanding of what its like to be a blind computer user. Perhaps 
then, they might actually make a few good changes that would work.

Oh well, if wishes were horses….

-eric

On Oct 28, 2013, at 6:57 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:

> I have been hearing about so many issues with Mail under Mavericks while 
> using gmail and IMAP. I seem to hear more bad news than good news on this 
> matter so I am obliged to stay back on Mountain Lion till this can be 
> resolved or I find a different mail client. Using POP is a non-starter for 
> me. IMAP has too many advantages for me to give up to go back to something so 
> backward as POP.
> 
> I've even tried Mutt in the terminal on the Mac and that has some promise but 
> VO doesn't really track that easily in shell environments.
> 
> On Oct 25, 2013, at 1:41 PM, matthew dyer  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Eric,
>> 
>> I am using gmail with mail in maverecs and I am having no problems.  Yes it 
>> takes time to sync messages with mail, but it is fine here.  Just throughing 
>> that out there for what it is worth.
>> 
>> 
>> matthew dyer 
>> sent from my 27 inch iMac.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> facebook, facetime and iMessage: ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Skype: graduater2004
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 24, 2013, at 5:12 PM, eric oyen  wrote:
>> 
>>> I may have to try mavericks to see what its like. from what I hear though, 
>>> the email subsystem might cause me problems with gmail.
>>> 
>>> anyway, I will DL it and see what I can see.
>>> 
>>> -eric
>>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2013, at 8:28 AM, Matt Dierckens wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 Unfortunately, Eric can't upgrade to ML, but I think he can to Mavericks. 
 Didn't Tim cook say that its possible even on Snow leopard?
 
 Matt Dierckens
 matt.dierck...@gmail.com
 Assistive Technology Trainer
 IOS and Macintosh User support
 Windsor area
 
 
 On 2013-10-24, at 11:24 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
 
> A lot of the busy issues were fixed in mountain lion, you may want to 
> update your operating system.
> Original message:
>> The new Safari 6.1 went on my Lion system today and now some voiceover 
>> issues have developed.
> 
>> 1. Web Item rotor no longer shows all headers on a google search, or on 
>> some other pages.
>> 2. on any web page where there is a tweet text field, any attempt to 
>> enter text there results in the browser going busy and forcing a 
>> force-quit.
> 
>> also, when scrolling through google searches, the website info on each 
>> search gets repeated at each new element (be it text, links or headers).
> 
>> there is also inconsistent behavior when trying to open links using the 
>> VO+shift+M context menu. SOme options that should show up (like open 
>> link in new tab or page) don't more than half the time.
> 
>> Since I am totally blind and have to depend on both voiceover and Safari 
>> to work properly, when they don't, I am basically left trying to get 
>> both to work again. In one case, installing an add-on to solve captchas 
>> resulted in voiceover completely crashing and then refusing to restart 
>> on CMD-F5.
> 
>> THese issues are entirely unacceptable and are required to be fixed 
>> immediately.
> 
>> As an aside, similar issues crop up with google-chrome with the same 
>> frequency. Don't even ask about FireFox (it works barely some of the 
>> time).
> 
>> You folks need to repair this. I am also copying this to 2 related 
>> mailing lists.
> 
>> Please take care of this, POST HASTE!
> 
>> -eric
> 
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Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail

[Terje Strømberg]

Hi

I read about one person that decided to run Mountain Lion in Virtual Machine. 
First of all for the option to run Mail in Mountain Lion and cmd + tab back to 
Maverick. He was waiting for theese gmail bugs to be fixed. 

Many sighted people have problems with gmail in Maverick too and reports theese 
bugs to Apple.  

Take care

29. okt. 2013 kl. 04:13 skrev Steve Holmes :

> So, does this mean you cannot turn off preview in standard mode with 
> Mavericks Mail now?
> 
> If this is the case, then another reason for me to stay back on Mountain Lion.
> 
> On Oct 27, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
>> hey,
>> i love modern view it stops a lot of the VO chatter so i think i will stay 
>> with it myself.
>> On 28 Oct 2013, at 2:56 am, Buddy Brannan  wrote:
>> 
>>> While you can switch back to modern view, your settings won’t stick. If you 
>>> close your message view window after making the change to eliminate the 
>>> preview pane, or if you exit mail and go back in, the preview pane is back. 
>>> At last, that’s what happened to me after I made the change. Only way to 
>>> make the preview pane stay gone is to stay in class view. A shame, because 
>>> I’ve kinda gotten to like modern view.
>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Teresa Cochran  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 I find it easiest to do this in full-screen mode, command-control F for 
 Mail. Turn mouse keys on. Switch to classic view in Mail preferences. You 
 can use vO to place the mouse. Just navigate to the message table, but 
 don’t interact with it. VO-right once and you should reach the horizontal 
 splitter. Press control-VO-f5 to place the mouse there. Press the 
 zero/insert key on the numpad once to lock the mouse down, then press and 
 hold the six/right-arrow key on the numpad till you hear VO’s focus 
 changing. this can take several seconds. Then press the period/delete key 
 on the numpad to release the mouse. Double-check to be sure the horizontal 
 splitter and preview pane are gone. At this point, you can switch back to 
 modern view in Mail preferences if you wish.
 
 HtH,
 Teresa
 
 Slow down; you'll get there faster.
 
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 4:13 AM, Kliphton ---  
 wrote:
 
> Looks like I still have a lot to learn.  How do you place the mouse 
> pointer where you want it.  Also,  when you say you push numpad period, 
> what key do you push on the numpad?  Or maybe I am miss understanding?
> 
> 
> Kliphton
> (iMessage&Email) kliphton@outlook.com
> (Twitter,Instagram,FourSquare&Skype) kliphton72
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:27 PM, "Teresa Cochran" 
>  wrote:
> 
> I use mouse keys, which is an accessibility feature you can enable in the 
> accessibility dialog, command-option-f5. Once you turn these on, they 
> actually move the real mouse pointer. I put mail in classic view, then 
> move to the right of the messages table, and place my mouse pointer on 
> the horizontal splitter. I press the 0 key on the keypad once, and this 
> locks the mouse down. then I hold down the number 6 key, which moves the 
> mouse to the right. When I hear VO say something different, I release the 
> mouse key with numpad period. I like using this method, because I don’t 
> track straight with a traditional mouse or the trackpad, but this way 
> ensures that I do.
> 
> HtH,
> Teresa
> 
> "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham
> 
> On Oct 26, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Debbie April Yuille 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Teresa
>> 
>> How do you disable the preview pane?
>> 
>> Debbie
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran
>> Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2013 10:02 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail
>> 
>> As an additional note, I notice that with the preview pane disabled and 
>> with
>> five preview lines of message text enabled, VO sure reads a lot more than
>> five lines. It's almost like having the preview pane available without
>> having to switch to it. pretty cool. :)
>> 
>> Teresa
>> 
>> "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham
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Re: Observation with voice on Mavericks

[Terje Strømberg]

Hi

How do you setup different voices for Only Voice Over, system and clock?

Take care

28. okt. 2013 kl. 20:31 skrev Chris H :

> I am using Karen under Mavericks and she is just brilliant. Superb quality 
> sound, human like voice, I actually use her as my VoiceOver voice while 
> Daniel is my system voice and Serina excuse spelling for the clock. Do you 
> feel the same about Karen? I've even gone as far as removing both Alex and 
> Vicki.
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Re: Pages and dates

[Steve Holmes]

This sounds exactly like what happened with Final Cut Pro. they dumbed it down 
to a more consumer grade product, angered a bunch of power users, Apple AFAIK 
put back some of the features. I wonder if iWork has to go through the same 
cycle? You'd think Apple would have learned from previous mistakes. If Apple 
wants to compete in the productivity field, they are going to have to include 
more features in iWork and not less. Otherwise, All office productivity users 
will keep using MS Office despite their recent changes.

Still too bad we can't use Libreoffice on Macs anymore. That product works 
really on Linux with GNOME; I thought I had read somewhere that some 
accessibility improvements might be coming to Libreoffice for the Mac but 
haven't heard anything in a while.

On Oct 28, 2013, at 4:02 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi Anne,
> 
> I was reading up on some Pages issues and you’re not alone in your 
> frustration with Mail Merge fields and such.  I noticed that when upgrading 
> from iWork 09 to the new Pages and such that my old version of iWork 09 
> remained on my Mac in my Applications folder.  Yours should have done the 
> same since you were running from a older CD install of iWork.  If you didn’t 
> already get rid of it, you are able to run the Pages 4.3 in Mavericks as well 
> and the Mail Merge functionality is still there.  If not, you should still be 
> able to re-install it from your original CD then have both usable copies of 
> Pages.  Not the best way of running things but may help with some of the lost 
> features that you were accustomed to.  Beyond that, it appears that quite a 
> number of people have been letting Apple know their disappointment with these 
> feature losses and maybe they will re-instate them in a future update.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 28, 2013, at 1:24 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
>> I’m going through my teaching materials for Pages and finding problems. The 
>> latest one is that we can no longer modify the date style in a document 
>> using a contextual menu. Pages takes the date style from System 
>> preferences/Language&Region/Advanced where it uses the Full version of the 
>> date. We can copy whatever style of date we like into that field, but this 
>> is really irritating as, speaking for myself, I don’t always want to use the 
>> same format.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
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Re: mail views all messed up now

[Ray Foret Jr]

Solved issue.  Tim was right about his latest suggestion.

1.  From the prefs window, choose classic layout in view tab.

2.  Now, making sure not to interact with the message table, VO+right just to 
the right of it.  IF a horizontal spliter is right next to the message table, 
the preview pain is visable.

3.  Interact with this horizontal spliter and make note of the precentage on 
the bar.  It will usually be between say 35 and 40 percent or so.  Slide it to 
about 72 percent.  causion.  Do, NOT, attempt to go further or mail will jam up.

4.  Now, cease interacting with this spliter.

5.  Now, rout mouse or track pad to the splitter via VO+CMD+F5.  Needless to 
say, make sure track pad commander is off if you are used to using it.

6.  Now, place a finger at just about the half way point and press down firmly 
on pad making sure you feel or hear it click down and hold your finger there.

7.  Now, slowly move your finger down as far as it will move.

8.  Now, remove your finger and check to see where the spliter is.  IF you find 
the splitter still where it was before, you have not closed the preview pain.  
IF the splitter is all the way to the bottom right of the screen, it is closed.

9.  Just for good measure, quit mail at this point.

10.  Now, you can reopen mail and set back to standard view.


Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Oct 28, 2013, at 10:09 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Also, when performing these mouse functions, I find that full-screen mode 
> gives you much better control.
> 
> Hth,
> Teresa
> 
> "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too 
> dark to read."--Groucho Marx
> 
> On Oct 28, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Just go up in value a little.  This is just to make sure that the splitter 
>> is moving properly and that the mouse will respond.  When using VO to move 
>> the splitter, it often won’t let you go all the way to 100% anyway.  After 
>> you’ve moved it 5 or 10%, then use VO-cmd-f5 to bring mouse focus to the VO 
>> cursor, then do the press and drag down thing.  VO should announce “Scroll 
>> area” if it worked.  It’s not extremely important where you start the drag 
>> from, but it’s best to do so from the top half of the Trackpad so that you 
>> have lots of drag space.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ah, okay.
>>> 
>>> AS for the tool bar, I discovered that I had curser tracking off and I 
>>> fixed that.
>>> 
>>> Now, with respect to the value in the horizontal spliter, should I go down 
>>> or up in value?  I find that if I go up in value, and I hit about 87 
>>> percent, mail suddenly goes busy and I wind up being able to do nothing so 
>>> I quit it.  Maybe go down to zero in the value and then try the track pad 
>>> thingy?
>>> 
>>> This almost seems to be a half baked cookie, in a way.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in!
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
>>> 
>>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Ray,
 
 I believe that Alex received the initial instructions from an Apple 
 Support person.  I more or less used some of those instructions along with 
 my own experience to come up with my instructions.  I, like Alex, had 
 everything the way it should be after my update to Mavericks and then 
 decided to do some testing after seeing some of the frustration expressed 
 on this list.  Being the cocky person that I am, I thought I’d have no 
 problems.  Stupid me.  After lots of fussing, some assistance from my 
 sighted wife, and some investigation on the web, I determined that this is 
 an issue for sighted folks too.
 
 So, I was able to fix things using the steps I outlined after some time 
 and frustration.  The messed up view where your ToolBar is in an odd 
 location is usually fixed after quitting and re-opening Mail.  I’m 
 wondering if you could add an extra step into this that might help it to 
 work for you.  When you’ve navigated to the Horizontal Splitter, Interact 
 with it, then move with VO-up or VO-down.  VO should announce percentage 
 values relating to the size of the Preview pane.  Now use VO-cmd-f5 to 
 route the mouse to the VO location, then perform the drag down of the 
 Horizontal Splitter to see if it works for you.  Also, for accuracy sake, 
 take a look in your VO settings under the Visuals section, make sure that 
 your VO Cursor magnification is set to 1.  This should make sure that the 
 mouse is going where it’s supposed to.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB C

Re: Macupdate desktop on mavericks.

[Steve Holmes]

Hi Annie,

You might wanna try and contact the developers of Mac Update Desktop and ask 
them about Mavericks compatibility. Some companies like Rogue Omoeba are 
working on updates to their apps to be compatible with Mavericks. Hopefully 
these guys will do likewise.

On Oct 28, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen  
wrote:

> Hi John.
> 
> Yes if the app still worked, it could also update dropbox. The advantage is 
> that you can get macupdate desktop to do a lot of that updating work. It is 
> one of the most useful apps I have.
> 
> Best regards Annie.
> Den 27 Oct 2013 kl. 22:09 skrev John Sanfilippo :
> 
>> Oo, 
>> 
>> Would this work to update dropbox?, I mean, if it works at all?
>> 
>> John S
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 27, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Nic.
>> 
>> I use macupdate desktop for updating apps, that I have not purchased from 
>> the app store. It is an advantage, because some apps is a little difficult 
>> to find, and macupdate desktop lets me update them just by one click. 
>> Macupdate desktop will download them and install them. Also these 
>> silverlight apps and other audio apps, which is a bit tricky. I am really 
>> sad, that the app does not work now.
>> 
>> Best regards Annie.
>> Den 27 Oct 2013 kl. 21:38 skrev Nicholas Parsons 
>> :
>> 
>>> Sorry I can't answer your question, but perhaps you can answer one of mine. 
>>> What does the MacUpdate Desktop do? What's the advantage of using it? I 
>>> have some software from MacUpdate and am often interested in their deals, 
>>> but wasn't exactly sure why I would want or need the desktop app. Does it 
>>> allow you to brows, view or purchase new apps?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nic
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Re: mail views all messed up now

[Cheryl Homiak]

The problem with this approach is that you have to be excruciatingly careful. 
It is correct but I was never able to accomplish it that way. But I know some 
are able to do it and that's great! It is not the only way that works though.

 
On Oct 28, 2013, at 11:02 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> Solved issue.  Tim was right about his latest suggestion.
> 
> 1.  From the prefs window, choose classic layout in view tab.
> 
> 2.  Now, making sure not to interact with the message table, VO+right just to 
> the right of it.  IF a horizontal spliter is right next to the message table, 
> the preview pain is visable.
> 
> 3.  Interact with this horizontal spliter and make note of the precentage on 
> the bar.  It will usually be between say 35 and 40 percent or so.  Slide it 
> to about 72 percent.  causion.  Do, NOT, attempt to go further or mail will 
> jam up.
> 
> 4.  Now, cease interacting with this spliter.
> 
> 5.  Now, rout mouse or track pad to the splitter via VO+CMD+F5.  Needless to 
> say, make sure track pad commander is off if you are used to using it.
> 
> 6.  Now, place a finger at just about the half way point and press down 
> firmly on pad making sure you feel or hear it click down and hold your finger 
> there.
> 
> 7.  Now, slowly move your finger down as far as it will move.
> 
> 8.  Now, remove your finger and check to see where the spliter is.  IF you 
> find the splitter still where it was before, you have not closed the preview 
> pain.  IF the splitter is all the way to the bottom right of the screen, it 
> is closed.
> 
> 9.  Just for good measure, quit mail at this point.
> 
> 10.  Now, you can reopen mail and set back to standard view.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
> 
> On Oct 28, 2013, at 10:09 PM, Teresa Cochran  
> wrote:
> 
>> Also, when performing these mouse functions, I find that full-screen mode 
>> gives you much better control.
>> 
>> Hth,
>> Teresa
>> 
>> "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too 
>> dark to read."--Groucho Marx
>> 
>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Just go up in value a little.  This is just to make sure that the splitter 
>>> is moving properly and that the mouse will respond.  When using VO to move 
>>> the splitter, it often won’t let you go all the way to 100% anyway.  After 
>>> you’ve moved it 5 or 10%, then use VO-cmd-f5 to bring mouse focus to the VO 
>>> cursor, then do the press and drag down thing.  VO should announce “Scroll 
>>> area” if it worked.  It’s not extremely important where you start the drag 
>>> from, but it’s best to do so from the top half of the Trackpad so that you 
>>> have lots of drag space.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
 Ah, okay.
 
 AS for the tool bar, I discovered that I had curser tracking off and I 
 fixed that.
 
 Now, with respect to the value in the horizontal spliter, should I go down 
 or up in value?  I find that if I go up in value, and I hit about 87 
 percent, mail suddenly goes busy and I wind up being able to do nothing so 
 I quit it.  Maybe go down to zero in the value and then try the track pad 
 thingy?
 
 This almost seems to be a half baked cookie, in a way.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
 
 On Oct 28, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
> Hi Ray,
> 
> I believe that Alex received the initial instructions from an Apple 
> Support person.  I more or less used some of those instructions along 
> with my own experience to come up with my instructions.  I, like Alex, 
> had everything the way it should be after my update to Mavericks and then 
> decided to do some testing after seeing some of the frustration expressed 
> on this list.  Being the cocky person that I am, I thought I’d have no 
> problems.  Stupid me.  After lots of fussing, some assistance from my 
> sighted wife, and some investigation on the web, I determined that this 
> is an issue for sighted folks too.
> 
> So, I was able to fix things using the steps I outlined after some time 
> and frustration.  The messed up view where your ToolBar is in an odd 
> location is usually fixed after quitting and re-opening Mail.  I’m 
> wondering if you could add an extra step into this that might help it to 
> work for you.  When you’ve navigated to the Horizontal Splitter, Interact 
> with it, then move with VO-up or VO-down.  VO should announce percentage 
> values relating to the size of the Preview pane.  Now use VO-c

Re: Gmail Issues in Mavericks, Pretty Major, Folks

[Steve Holmes]

I thought I had read some while back that there could be a way to tell gmail to 
use standard IMAP behavior instead of their approach. I think it was in Google 
Labs or some such. Anyone know about this or given it a try? Maybe if that were 
set, Mail might work better with gmail hosted accounts.

Humm, wonder if there are any other email clients one could try for the Mac? I 
read somewhere that Thundrbird might be an alternative but I bet the a11y in it 
is probably no better than with Firefox right now.

On Oct 28, 2013, at 7:31 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:

> Just to clarify, AOL mail is also free and has been for some years. I'm not 
> sure if there is an upper limit on the mailbox size but I currently have 
> about 34,000 messages in my inbox at the moment so whatever the limit is, 
> it's pretty high.
> 
> Full disclosure, I'm currently working with the AOL mail folks to make their 
> products accessible, but it's not perfect yet.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 10/28/13 6:34 PM, Maria From Australia wrote:
>> hi.
>> 
>> I'm still trying to figure out if i'm having problems. I am away from home 
>> and so am using a portable hot spot. Don't really want to turn on all mail. 
>> i wonder if limiting the size of the all mail folder would stop gmail from 
>> downloading everything and help with any sincing problems?
>> any ideas? don't really want to have to pay for email but is there anything 
>> free out there that offers a fair bit of space? and-or is there an 
>> accessible email client for mac? i love apple mail and enjoy gmail so I hope 
>> it can be resolved but it's good to look at alternatives just in case.
>> 
>> Blessings!  Maria and my guide Karly  email bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 29 Oct 2013, at 8:36 am, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There's always AOL mail. Has supported IMAP support for about a decade.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
 On 10/25/13 2:26 PM, Jeff Bishop wrote:
 There are a few:
 
 iCloud
 outlook.com (they now support imap and you can even bring your domain)
 office365 ($4 per month but a huge deal if you want to pay for email)
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Pauls
 Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:30 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Cc: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Gmail Issues in Mavericks, Pretty Major, Folks
 
 What are some Gmail replacements the list might recommend? What about using
 iCloud mail or Hotmail? Would be interested in some fairly quick and dirty
 workarounds.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Oct 25, 2013, at 12:19 AM, May and Noah  wrote:
> 
> Hmm, guess I'm lucky. I'm not having any problems with gmail and
 mavericks, but this is definitely an email I'll keep in case something
 changes and I need this at a future date.
> Thanks.
> 
> May and Prince Noah
> www.canadianlynx.ca
> 
>> On Oct 25, 2013, at 12:53 AM, Nicholas Parsons
  wrote:
>> Thanks, Teresa, it's great that you're pointing that out for folks. Some
 of it isn't quite 100% accurate, however. From what I've read, for 
 instance,
 All Mail doesn't get placed in your Archive folder exactly. In fact, Mail
 kind of gets rid of folders all together for gmail. Instead, just like 
 gmail
 on the web, there is only one folder per se, and that is All Mail. Messages
 get given labels like inbox or whatever other personal labels you have,
 which act much like folders only different. Rather than me trying to
 explain, interested people are better off reading the following article:
>> http://tidbits.com/article/14219
>> 
>> Best,
>> Nic
>> 
>> 
>> On 25/10/2013, at 3:43 AM, Teresa Cochran 
 wrote:
>> Someone brought up Gmail issues yesterday. There are definite snafus with
 Gmail and Mail. basically, the "all mail" folder gets placed in the archive
 folder, and it's necessary to have it enabled in Gmail settings on the
 website. Depending on how much you use Gmail, this may or may not be a
 show-stopper. If you switch to Pop mail, you can no longer use your labels
 from the Gmail site, and you'd have to set up local rules for filtering
 messages in apple Mail. Also, you can't move Gmail folders in apple mail.
>> Since I use Gmail for about 20 mailing lists I'm on, and I sync my mail
 with my iPod, I'm going to try not to ditch Gmail for now. Whatever you do,
 do *not* go into the "all mail" folder on your devices if you sync with
 them, because a huge bog-down will possibly ensue. For example, I have
 something like twenty thousand messages in my 'all mail" folder.
>> you can find stuff about this issue when you, uh, google it, so just
 thought I'd clarify things just a tad. I hope it's clarified, at any rate.
 :)
>> H

Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

No, this is not the case.  The issue is that, at least so far, if Preview Pane 
is active, you’ll need to turn it off while in Classic View and it will be 
applied to both views.  Some folks here have had problems with it sticking but 
I have not.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 28, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Steve Holmes  wrote:

> So, does this mean you cannot turn off preview in standard mode with 
> Mavericks Mail now?
> 
> If this is the case, then another reason for me to stay back on Mountain Lion.
> 
> On Oct 27, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
>> hey,
>> i love modern view it stops a lot of the VO chatter so i think i will stay 
>> with it myself.
>> On 28 Oct 2013, at 2:56 am, Buddy Brannan  wrote:
>> 
>>> While you can switch back to modern view, your settings won’t stick. If you 
>>> close your message view window after making the change to eliminate the 
>>> preview pane, or if you exit mail and go back in, the preview pane is back. 
>>> At last, that’s what happened to me after I made the change. Only way to 
>>> make the preview pane stay gone is to stay in class view. A shame, because 
>>> I’ve kinda gotten to like modern view.
>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Teresa Cochran  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 I find it easiest to do this in full-screen mode, command-control F for 
 Mail. Turn mouse keys on. Switch to classic view in Mail preferences. You 
 can use vO to place the mouse. Just navigate to the message table, but 
 don’t interact with it. VO-right once and you should reach the horizontal 
 splitter. Press control-VO-f5 to place the mouse there. Press the 
 zero/insert key on the numpad once to lock the mouse down, then press and 
 hold the six/right-arrow key on the numpad till you hear VO’s focus 
 changing. this can take several seconds. Then press the period/delete key 
 on the numpad to release the mouse. Double-check to be sure the horizontal 
 splitter and preview pane are gone. At this point, you can switch back to 
 modern view in Mail preferences if you wish.
 
 HtH,
 Teresa
 
 Slow down; you'll get there faster.
 
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 4:13 AM, Kliphton ---  
 wrote:
 
> Looks like I still have a lot to learn.  How do you place the mouse 
> pointer where you want it.  Also,  when you say you push numpad period, 
> what key do you push on the numpad?  Or maybe I am miss understanding?
> 
> 
> Kliphton
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> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:27 PM, "Teresa Cochran" 
>  wrote:
> 
> I use mouse keys, which is an accessibility feature you can enable in the 
> accessibility dialog, command-option-f5. Once you turn these on, they 
> actually move the real mouse pointer. I put mail in classic view, then 
> move to the right of the messages table, and place my mouse pointer on 
> the horizontal splitter. I press the 0 key on the keypad once, and this 
> locks the mouse down. then I hold down the number 6 key, which moves the 
> mouse to the right. When I hear VO say something different, I release the 
> mouse key with numpad period. I like using this method, because I don’t 
> track straight with a traditional mouse or the trackpad, but this way 
> ensures that I do.
> 
> HtH,
> Teresa
> 
> "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham
> 
> On Oct 26, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Debbie April Yuille 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Teresa
>> 
>> How do you disable the preview pane?
>> 
>> Debbie
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran
>> Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2013 10:02 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Classic Versus Current view in Mail
>> 
>> As an additional note, I notice that with the preview pane disabled and 
>> with
>> five preview lines of message text enabled, VO sure reads a lot more than
>> five lines. It's almost like having the preview pane available without
>> having to switch to it. pretty cool. :)
>> 
>> Teresa
>> 
>> "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham
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Hey guys. I’m having a bit of a problem here. Using the latest version of 
Skype, 6.9 under Mavericks, Voiceover is slow to the point where it sometimes 
unresponsive. I get the Skype busy messages often and I notice that my Mac is 
getting hot to the touch. Is anybody else having this problem? It’s only when 
using Skype. I wonder if I should downgrade back to ML or try to clean install 
Mavericks after I get some sighted assistance to help me create a bootable 
drive. This is really getting stupid.

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