I have been hearing about so many issues with Mail under Mavericks while using 
gmail and IMAP. I seem to hear more bad news than good news on this matter so I 
am obliged to stay back on Mountain Lion till this can be resolved or I find a 
different mail client. Using POP is a non-starter for me. IMAP has too many 
advantages for me to give up to go back to something so backward as POP.

I've even tried Mutt in the terminal on the Mac and that has some promise but 
VO doesn't really track that easily in shell environments.

On Oct 25, 2013, at 1:41 PM, matthew dyer <ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

> Hi Eric,
> 
> I am using gmail with mail in maverecs and I am having no problems.  Yes it 
> takes time to sync messages with mail, but it is fine here.  Just throughing 
> that out there for what it is worth.
> 
> 
> matthew dyer 
> sent from my 27 inch iMac.
> 
> 
> 
> facebook, facetime and iMessage: ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com
> 
> Skype: graduater2004
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 24, 2013, at 5:12 PM, eric oyen <eric.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I may have to try mavericks to see what its like. from what I hear though, 
>> the email subsystem might cause me problems with gmail.
>> 
>> anyway, I will DL it and see what I can see.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Oct 24, 2013, at 8:28 AM, Matt Dierckens wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Unfortunately, Eric can't upgrade to ML, but I think he can to Mavericks. 
>>> Didn't Tim cook say that its possible even on Snow leopard?
>>> 
>>> Matt Dierckens
>>> matt.dierck...@gmail.com
>>> Assistive Technology Trainer
>>> IOS and Macintosh User support
>>> Windsor area
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2013-10-24, at 11:24 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> A lot of the busy issues were fixed in mountain lion, you may want to 
>>>> update your operating system.
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> The new Safari 6.1 went on my Lion system today and now some voiceover 
>>>>> issues have developed.
>>>> 
>>>>> 1. Web Item rotor no longer shows all headers on a google search, or on 
>>>>> some other pages.
>>>>> 2. on any web page where there is a tweet text field, any attempt to 
>>>>> enter text there results in the browser going busy and forcing a 
>>>>> force-quit.
>>>> 
>>>>> also, when scrolling through google searches, the website info on each 
>>>>> search gets repeated at each new element (be it text, links or headers).
>>>> 
>>>>> there is also inconsistent behavior when trying to open links using the 
>>>>> VO+shift+M context menu. SOme options that should show up (like open link 
>>>>> in new tab or page) don't more than half the time.
>>>> 
>>>>> Since I am totally blind and have to depend on both voiceover and Safari 
>>>>> to work properly, when they don't, I am basically left trying to get both 
>>>>> to work again. In one case, installing an add-on to solve captchas 
>>>>> resulted in voiceover completely crashing and then refusing to restart on 
>>>>> CMD-F5.
>>>> 
>>>>> THese issues are entirely unacceptable and are required to be fixed 
>>>>> immediately.
>>>> 
>>>>> As an aside, similar issues crop up with google-chrome with the same 
>>>>> frequency. Don't even ask about FireFox (it works barely some of the 
>>>>> time).
>>>> 
>>>>> You folks need to repair this. I am also copying this to 2 related 
>>>>> mailing lists.
>>>> 
>>>>> Please take care of this, POST HASTE!
>>>> 
>>>>> -eric
>>>> 
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