Google Accessibility

[jshandra72]

Hey Listers, 

I am asking for your assistance. I have started a petition on Change .Org for 
Google Accessibility. I started this petition because Google declared to the 
world they were dedicated to Accessibility. However; their actions do not 
reflect this statement. Of course browsers and email are accessible. This is a 
requirement by law. That's where the dedication ends. I'm including some 
examples. 

The first example is Google +. If you have ever looked at the app; there are 
many links and buttons which aren't clearly labeled. The useability is pretty 
much non existent. 

For those who have tried an Android device; its not Google that provides the 
majority of accessibility. It's  3rd party developers and apps. You could spend 
a whole day trying to find an adequate way to get a task done. Of course; this 
is because you must find work arounds. I don't know why any blind individual 
would choose Android at this point. Its not like Apple software which just 
works out of the box. 

The last example is the new Hangouts app. It falls into the same category as 
Google +. Links and buttons aren't clearly labeled. The useability again is 
lacking. 

Please take a moment to sign the petition. Tell Google to live up to the 
promise of accessibility in their products. More importantly; tell them the 
disabled community is not a second -class society. 
Thank you for your help! 
Google Petition: 
http://www.change.org/petitions/google-include-accessibility-in-all-products-2?share_id=GhGKYCjqjF&utm_campaign=twitter_link_action_box&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=share_petition

Regards, JP

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some questions

[Devin Prater]

Hi all. First of all, does anyone know how to simply check the status of a 
microphone to see if its actually working without having to start an app? I 
have a logitech USB headset microphone, and I think the mic may be broken, but 
I'm not sure. 
secondly, what is the best youtube client out there for mac? I have like 12 or 
so dollars in iTunes so I can spend a little money if necessary. 
sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud.
Devin prater
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Re: Google Accessibility

[Pete Nalda]

You have very valid points on 1 and 3, but for the sake of being on topic in 
this list.  Your argument about devices should NOT be mentioned in your 
petition.  Here, you're preaching to the choir, but publicly, you're starting a 
war, and your arguments are weak. We should leave that subject out.  Going back 
to point #1, Google+ is also not very accessible on iOS devices, and I've 
stated that many times, on Google+, by the way.  On your petition, you might 
also add, that google's search page should be made stretch-zoomable on iOS as 
well.  If we can strike out the Device parts, I'll gladly sign.

On May 18, 2013, at 2:18 AM, jshandr...@gmail.com wrote:

> 
> Hey Listers, 
> 
> I am asking for your assistance. I have started a petition on Change .Org for 
> Google Accessibility. I started this petition because Google declared to the 
> world they were dedicated to Accessibility. However; their actions do not 
> reflect this statement. Of course browsers and email are accessible. This is 
> a requirement by law. That's where the dedication ends. I'm including some 
> examples. 
> 
> The first example is Google +. If you have ever looked at the app; there are 
> many links and buttons which aren't clearly labeled. The useability is pretty 
> much non existent. 
> 
> For those who have tried an Android device; its not Google that provides the 
> majority of accessibility. It's  3rd party developers and apps. You could 
> spend a whole day trying to find an adequate way to get a task done. Of 
> course; this is because you must find work arounds. I don't know why any 
> blind individual would choose Android at this point. Its not like Apple 
> software which just works out of the box. 
> 
> The last example is the new Hangouts app. It falls into the same category as 
> Google +. Links and buttons aren't clearly labeled. The useability again is 
> lacking. 
> 
> Please take a moment to sign the petition. Tell Google to live up to the 
> promise of accessibility in their products. More importantly; tell them the 
> disabled community is not a second -class society. 
> Thank you for your help! 
> Google Petition: 
> http://www.change.org/petitions/google-include-accessibility-in-all-products-2?share_id=GhGKYCjqjF&utm_campaign=twitter_link_action_box&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=share_petition
> 
> Regards, JP
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Re: Google Accessibility

[Alex Hall]

I think point 2 should stay. It is not device-specific, but rather a general 
point that many accessibility features have to be downloaded separately on 
Android in general. There is no way to say that without people knowing you are 
talking about using Android devices. Perhaps the bit about not knowing why 
anyone would choose android should be removed, but other than that I see where 
the OP is coming from. I'd sign this, but they want my full street address and 
city/state... I'm not sure I want to make that public!
On May 18, 2013, at 3:39 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:

> You have very valid points on 1 and 3, but for the sake of being on topic in 
> this list.  Your argument about devices should NOT be mentioned in your 
> petition.  Here, you're preaching to the choir, but publicly, you're starting 
> a war, and your arguments are weak. We should leave that subject out.  Going 
> back to point #1, Google+ is also not very accessible on iOS devices, and 
> I've stated that many times, on Google+, by the way.  On your petition, you 
> might also add, that google's search page should be made stretch-zoomable on 
> iOS as well.  If we can strike out the Device parts, I'll gladly sign.
> 
> On May 18, 2013, at 2:18 AM, jshandr...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hey Listers, 
>> 
>> I am asking for your assistance. I have started a petition on Change .Org 
>> for Google Accessibility. I started this petition because Google declared to 
>> the world they were dedicated to Accessibility. However; their actions do 
>> not reflect this statement. Of course browsers and email are accessible. 
>> This is a requirement by law. That's where the dedication ends. I'm 
>> including some examples. 
>> 
>> The first example is Google +. If you have ever looked at the app; there are 
>> many links and buttons which aren't clearly labeled. The useability is 
>> pretty much non existent. 
>> 
>> For those who have tried an Android device; its not Google that provides the 
>> majority of accessibility. It's  3rd party developers and apps. You could 
>> spend a whole day trying to find an adequate way to get a task done. Of 
>> course; this is because you must find work arounds. I don't know why any 
>> blind individual would choose Android at this point. Its not like Apple 
>> software which just works out of the box. 
>> 
>> The last example is the new Hangouts app. It falls into the same category as 
>> Google +. Links and buttons aren't clearly labeled. The useability again is 
>> lacking. 
>> 
>> Please take a moment to sign the petition. Tell Google to live up to the 
>> promise of accessibility in their products. More importantly; tell them the 
>> disabled community is not a second -class society. 
>> Thank you for your help! 
>> Google Petition: 
>> http://www.change.org/petitions/google-include-accessibility-in-all-products-2?share_id=GhGKYCjqjF&utm_campaign=twitter_link_action_box&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=share_petition
>> 
>> Regards, JP
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> 
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Re: Easy Music Converter.

[Kliphton A M]

When I got it, it was free for the day.  But I think it only costs $
1.99
On May 17, 2013, at 1:27 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> Does it cost?  Sounds pretty nice to me.
> 
> 
> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
> 
> On May 17, 2013, at 10:37 AM, KIliphton  wrote:
> 
>> have no clue why that happened.  But the easy music converter let's you 
>> choose where you want the finished files to go, so you can rename them any 
>> way you want, whether it is by number or track.
>> 
>> 
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>> On May 17, 2013, at 10:26 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>>> Sorry, your message contains no text other than what I take to be a 
>>> signature.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in!
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>>> 
>>> On May 17, 2013, at 10:22 AM, KIliphton  wrote:
>>> 
 
 
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 On May 17, 2013, at 10:19 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
 
> Another point.  Will it let you set track numbers sequencially in files?  
> Say you have 25 files to tag with track numbers.  Can you set it so you 
> can select those files and specify their track numbers such as 1/25 or 1 
> of 25 and such like that?  What about convertion to AAC .m4a and so on?
> 
> 
> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
> 
> On May 17, 2013, at 10:11 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
>> Hello.
>> 
>> If you get the above, can one send files to Drop Box or any other 
>> device? I'd like to get this but it has to let me export my music. 
>> Thanks a lot.
>> 
>> Kawal.
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Re: Easy Music Converter.

[Ray Foret Jr]

Well, I just checked and it's actually $5.99 now.


Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!

On May 18, 2013, at 7:56 AM, Kliphton A M  wrote:

> When I got it, it was free for the day.  But I think it only costs $
> 1.99
> On May 17, 2013, at 1:27 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> Does it cost?  Sounds pretty nice to me.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in!
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>> 
>> On May 17, 2013, at 10:37 AM, KIliphton  wrote:
>> 
>>> have no clue why that happened.  But the easy music converter let's you 
>>> choose where you want the finished files to go, so you can rename them any 
>>> way you want, whether it is by number or track.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Kliphton Senior
>>> (Mobile-Call or text) 218-248-7219
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>>> 
>>> On May 17, 2013, at 10:26 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
 Sorry, your message contains no text other than what I take to be a 
 signature.
 
 
 Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
 
 On May 17, 2013, at 10:22 AM, KIliphton  wrote:
 
> 
> 
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> 
> On May 17, 2013, at 10:19 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> Another point.  Will it let you set track numbers sequencially in files? 
>>  Say you have 25 files to tag with track numbers.  Can you set it so you 
>> can select those files and specify their track numbers such as 1/25 or 1 
>> of 25 and such like that?  What about convertion to AAC .m4a and so on?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the 
>> blind built-in!
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>> 
>> On May 17, 2013, at 10:11 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello.
>>> 
>>> If you get the above, can one send files to Drop Box or any other 
>>> device? I'd like to get this but it has to let me export my music. 
>>> Thanks a lot.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
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>>   when it converts the files, it puts them in another folder, or the 
>> folder of your choice, so you can tag them or rename them however you 
>> want
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RE: Easy Music Converter.

[Kliphton]

Based on what it can do, it would be worth it to me if I hadn't gotten it
for free.

 

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Subject: Re: Easy Music Converter.

 

Well, I just checked and it's actually $5.99 now.

 

 

Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!

 

On May 18, 2013, at 7:56 AM, Kliphton A M  wrote:





When I got it, it was free for the day.  But I think it only costs $

1.99

On May 17, 2013, at 1:27 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:





Does it cost?  Sounds pretty nice to me.

 

 

Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!

 

On May 17, 2013, at 10:37 AM, KIliphton  wrote:





have no clue why that happened.  But the easy music converter let's you
choose where you want the finished files to go, so you can rename them any
way you want, whether it is by number or track.



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On May 17, 2013, at 10:26 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

Sorry, your message contains no text other than what I take to be a
signature.

 

 

Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!

 

On May 17, 2013, at 10:22 AM, KIliphton  wrote:







Kliphton Senior

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Sent from my iPhone


On May 17, 2013, at 10:19 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

Another point.  Will it let you set track numbers sequencially in files?
Say you have 25 files to tag with track numbers.  Can you set it so you can
select those files and specify their track numbers such as 1/25 or 1 of 25
and such like that?  What about convertion to AAC .m4a and so on?

 

 

Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!

 

On May 17, 2013, at 10:11 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:





Hello.

If you get the above, can one send files to Drop Box or any other device?
I'd like to get this but it has to let me export my music. Thanks a lot.

Kawal.

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  when it converts the files, it puts them in another folder, or the folder
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Re: Boot Camp

[Chris Blouch]

The other nice thing about VMWare is you don't have to reboot your Mac 
into 'windows mode' and reboot again to get back to your mac. VMWare is 
just another app you run when you need to do some Windows stuff and then 
you quit it. Bootcamp also wants you to partition your hard drive into 
Mac and Windows sections which might be confusing for some to figure 
out. With VMWare the windows disk drive is simulated through a big file 
on your hard drive and it grows only as large as the amount of stuff you 
store on windows. So that file will still be many GB of space, but you 
don't have to guess ahead of time like when you partition.


CB

On 5/17/13 5:31 PM, Chris H wrote:
Becky Bootcamp allows you to use Windows on your Mac using physical 
hardware and resources. The problem is you need to install manually 
and no unattended installations will work for reasons I will not go 
into here for now. You are better off using Vmware Fusion if you are 
not up to the task of trying Bootcamp on your own. Vmware Fusion 
allows you to use Windows on your Mac by virtualizing the hardware and 
resources and running in what is called a virtual machine. Best thing 
is Vmware Fusion can fully automate the installation using its own 
Easy Install feature.



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On 17/05/2013 21:30, Becky Sabo wrote:

Hi all,

What is boot camp? What do you use it for ? Is there a way to do spell
check on the Mack in email before you send a message?

Becky



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Subject: Boot Camp



Hello, My name is Nicholas and I just wanted to know if I can install
windows using Boot Camp because I am blind and I want to have windows 
8 on

my mac. If There is a way Can Someone help me? Thanks.





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Re: Boot Camp

[Kliphton]

Another feature I like with vmware that is often overlooked, is copy and 
pasting between the 2 devices.  You can put something on your clip board on the 
windows side, and paste it to the mac side, and the same goes for the mac side, 
you can copy somethig to the mac clip board, and paste it in windows.


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On May 18, 2013, at 8:44 AM, Chris Blouch  wrote:

> The other nice thing about VMWare is you don't have to reboot your Mac into 
> 'windows mode' and reboot again to get back to your mac. VMWare is just 
> another app you run when you need to do some Windows stuff and then you quit 
> it. Bootcamp also wants you to partition your hard drive into Mac and Windows 
> sections which might be confusing for some to figure out. With VMWare the 
> windows disk drive is simulated through a big file on your hard drive and it 
> grows only as large as the amount of stuff you store on windows. So that file 
> will still be many GB of space, but you don't have to guess ahead of time 
> like when you partition.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 5/17/13 5:31 PM, Chris H wrote:
>> Becky Bootcamp allows you to use Windows on your Mac using physical hardware 
>> and resources. The problem is you need to install manually and no unattended 
>> installations will work for reasons I will not go into here for now. You are 
>> better off using Vmware Fusion if you are not up to the task of trying 
>> Bootcamp on your own. Vmware Fusion allows you to use Windows on your Mac by 
>> virtualizing the hardware and resources and running in what is called a 
>> virtual machine. Best thing is Vmware Fusion can fully automate the 
>> installation using its own Easy Install feature.
>> 
>> 
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>> On 17/05/2013 21:30, Becky Sabo wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> What is boot camp? What do you use it for ? Is there a way to do spell
>>> check on the Mack in email before you send a message?
>>> 
>>> Becky
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of nicholas acosta
>>> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 2:27 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Boot Camp
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello, My name is Nicholas and I just wanted to know if I can install
>>> windows using Boot Camp because I am blind and I want to have windows 8 on
>>> my mac. If There is a way Can Someone help me? Thanks.
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Re: Google Accessibility

[Michael Babcock]

At least there is accessibility on android, and you don't have to pay $1200 to 
receive accessibility on android. I think number two should be removed 
personally, unless you plan to go soon Microsoft, Gateway, Dell, 
Hewlett-Packard, etc. because they don't include accessibility features in 
their operating system that is preinstalled. If someone asked me which mobile 
phone platform I would suggest for a blind or visually impaired users, my 
response would be "if you wanted to work, right out-of-the-box choose iOS. If 
you want something to tinker with, choosing android". They both have 
accessibility, and, I think a lot of blind or visually impaired individuals get 
frustrated with android, because it is a learning curve. So, again I personally 
think number two is inappropriate for this particular situation. In addition, 
there are alternatives to Google hangout, why is Google responsible for being 
100% accessible? When other companies are not 100% accessible, and 95% of the 
features can be accessed. And again, as obvious that Google hangouts isn't 100% 
accessible on iOS, it is apparent that iOS in that sense is no better than 
android because from what I remember, Google plus was actually usable on 
android.

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On May 18, 2013, at 6:43 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> I think point 2 should stay. It is not device-specific, but rather a general 
> point that many accessibility features have to be downloaded separately on 
> Android in general. There is no way to say that without people knowing you 
> are talking about using Android devices. Perhaps the bit about not knowing 
> why anyone would choose android should be removed, but other than that I see 
> where the OP is coming from. I'd sign this, but they want my full street 
> address and city/state... I'm not sure I want to make that public!
> On May 18, 2013, at 3:39 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> 
>> You have very valid points on 1 and 3, but for the sake of being on topic in 
>> this list.  Your argument about devices should NOT be mentioned in your 
>> petition.  Here, you're preaching to the choir, but publicly, you're 
>> starting a war, and your arguments are weak. We should leave that subject 
>> out.  Going back to point #1, Google+ is also not very accessible on iOS 
>> devices, and I've stated that many times, on Google+, by the way.  On your 
>> petition, you might also add, that google's search page should be made 
>> stretch-zoomable on iOS as well.  If we can strike out the Device parts, 
>> I'll gladly sign.
>> 
>> On May 18, 2013, at 2:18 AM, jshandr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Hey Listers, 
>>> 
>>> I am asking for your assistance. I have started a petition on Change .Org 
>>> for Google Accessibility. I started this petition because Google declared 
>>> to the world they were dedicated to Accessibility. However; their actions 
>>> do not reflect this statement. Of course browsers and email are accessible. 
>>> This is a requirement by law. That's where the dedication ends. I'm 
>>> including some examples. 
>>> 
>>> The first example is Google +. If you have ever looked at the app; there 
>>> are many links and buttons which aren't clearly labeled. The useability is 
>>> pretty much non existent. 
>>> 
>>> For those who have tried an Android device; its not Google that provides 
>>> the majority of accessibility. It's  3rd party developers and apps. You 
>>> could spend a whole day trying to find an adequate way to get a task done. 
>>> Of course; this is because you must find work arounds. I don't know why any 
>>> blind individual would choose Android at this point. Its not like Apple 
>>> software which just works out of the box. 
>>> 
>>> The last example is the new Hangouts app. It falls into the same category 
>>> as Google +. Links and buttons aren't clearly labeled. The useability again 
>>> is lacking. 
>>> 
>>> Please take a moment to sign the petition. Tell Google to live up to the 
>>> promise of accessibility in their products. More importantly; tell them the 
>>> disabled community is not a second -class society. 
>>> Thank you for your help! 
>>> Google Petition: 
>>> http://www.change.org/petitions/google-include-accessibility-in-all-products-2?share_id=GhGKYCjqjF&utm_campaign=twitter_link_action_box&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=share_petition
>>> 
>>> Regards, JP
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Re: Google Accessibility

[Donna Goodin]

Just to add to this, Google+ is accessible in Windows.  I haven't tried using 
it on my Mac, but if it isn't accessible on the Mac, then it's a 
Google-Voiceover issue.
Donna
On May 18, 2013, at 9:03 AM, Michael Babcock  
wrote:

> At least there is accessibility on android, and you don't have to pay $1200 
> to receive accessibility on android. I think number two should be removed 
> personally, unless you plan to go soon Microsoft, Gateway, Dell, 
> Hewlett-Packard, etc. because they don't include accessibility features in 
> their operating system that is preinstalled. If someone asked me which mobile 
> phone platform I would suggest for a blind or visually impaired users, my 
> response would be "if you wanted to work, right out-of-the-box choose iOS. If 
> you want something to tinker with, choosing android". They both have 
> accessibility, and, I think a lot of blind or visually impaired individuals 
> get frustrated with android, because it is a learning curve. So, again I 
> personally think number two is inappropriate for this particular situation. 
> In addition, there are alternatives to Google hangout, why is Google 
> responsible for being 100% accessible? When other companies are not 100% 
> accessible, and 95% of the features can be accessed. And again, as obvious 
> that Google hangouts isn't 100% accessible on iOS, it is apparent that iOS in 
> that sense is no better than android because from what I remember, Google 
> plus was actually usable on android.
> 
> Need a ripple code? Text me, 406-212-8503 visit startmyripple.com 
> Http://empoweringtheblind.com
> 
> 
> On May 18, 2013, at 6:43 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> I think point 2 should stay. It is not device-specific, but rather a general 
>> point that many accessibility features have to be downloaded separately on 
>> Android in general. There is no way to say that without people knowing you 
>> are talking about using Android devices. Perhaps the bit about not knowing 
>> why anyone would choose android should be removed, but other than that I see 
>> where the OP is coming from. I'd sign this, but they want my full street 
>> address and city/state... I'm not sure I want to make that public!
>> On May 18, 2013, at 3:39 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
>> 
>>> You have very valid points on 1 and 3, but for the sake of being on topic 
>>> in this list.  Your argument about devices should NOT be mentioned in your 
>>> petition.  Here, you're preaching to the choir, but publicly, you're 
>>> starting a war, and your arguments are weak. We should leave that subject 
>>> out.  Going back to point #1, Google+ is also not very accessible on iOS 
>>> devices, and I've stated that many times, on Google+, by the way.  On your 
>>> petition, you might also add, that google's search page should be made 
>>> stretch-zoomable on iOS as well.  If we can strike out the Device parts, 
>>> I'll gladly sign.
>>> 
>>> On May 18, 2013, at 2:18 AM, jshandr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
 
 Hey Listers, 
 
 I am asking for your assistance. I have started a petition on Change .Org 
 for Google Accessibility. I started this petition because Google declared 
 to the world they were dedicated to Accessibility. However; their actions 
 do not reflect this statement. Of course browsers and email are 
 accessible. This is a requirement by law. That's where the dedication 
 ends. I'm including some examples. 
 
 The first example is Google +. If you have ever looked at the app; there 
 are many links and buttons which aren't clearly labeled. The useability is 
 pretty much non existent. 
 
 For those who have tried an Android device; its not Google that provides 
 the majority of accessibility. It's  3rd party developers and apps. You 
 could spend a whole day trying to find an adequate way to get a task done. 
 Of course; this is because you must find work arounds. I don't know why 
 any blind individual would choose Android at this point. Its not like 
 Apple software which just works out of the box. 
 
 The last example is the new Hangouts app. It falls into the same category 
 as Google +. Links and buttons aren't clearly labeled. The useability 
 again is lacking. 
 
 Please take a moment to sign the petition. Tell Google to live up to the 
 promise of accessibility in their products. More importantly; tell them 
 the disabled community is not a second -class society. 
 Thank you for your help! 
 Google Petition: 
 http://www.change.org/petitions/google-include-accessibility-in-all-products-2?share_id=GhGKYCjqjF&utm_campaign=twitter_link_action_box&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=share_petition
 
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Re: Google Accessibility

[Karen Lewellen]

Actually, given how much access is an individual thing, why is 100% the 
measure  for anyone?   What you think is accessible not not apply to 
another person even if they have the same label.   People choose the 
device that works for them.  Some 
want a touch screen, some want keys like those with a blackberry device. 
there  are many reasons why a person uniquely scoring differently on an 
eye test will choose an android device.
Honestly, I keep wondering why companies like cell phone providers are not 
required to include the third party software on the device, if they 
publicly represent the device as accessible  as a part of their marketing 
/ sales effort.  it is like putting something on the menu but not serving 
the food.

Back to google.
Personally? and I have been on the accessibility list of theirs for some 
time now, I think google is simply confused.
First, they are building based on stereotypes and generalizations, not the 
reality of how differently people use tools.  This is not their fault, the 
generalization starts with others who benefit from thinking all those 
with the label of blindness or any other disability are just the same.
They might not even consider ios because someone is telling them no one 
uses them...or they find one individual with the blindness label and think 
hey it works for them it works for all!
Second, they have  decided in advance that accessibility is hard, kept simple 
it is not.
third, and this applies to any company, you are not making it financially 
worth their while.
There are people from all professional backgrounds who experience 
disabilities.  Accessibility BTW applies to more than those experiencing 
sight  loss.
However no one, say no institution where disabilities studies is a program 
, or any consumer organization 
has bothered to gather the market numbers.

even if one lives on some form of social assistance, it is still money.
Is it not time to treat this like a paying market of customers instead of a 
feel good or legal mandate?

I mean even the federal government is far from 100% accessible.
Hey apple is making tons of money including access as a seamless aspect of 
their products, prove to other companies they can make money and it might 
just be a simple sell.

 Karen

On Sat, 18 May 2013, Michael Babcock wrote:


At least there is accessibility on android, and you don't have to pay $1200 to receive 
accessibility on android. I think number two should be removed personally, unless you 
plan to go soon Microsoft, Gateway, Dell, Hewlett-Packard, etc. because they don't 
include accessibility features in their operating system that is preinstalled. If someone 
asked me which mobile phone platform I would suggest for a blind or visually impaired 
users, my response would be "if you wanted to work, right out-of-the-box choose iOS. 
If you want something to tinker with, choosing android". They both have 
accessibility, and, I think a lot of blind or visually impaired individuals get 
frustrated with android, because it is a learning curve. So, again I personally think 
number two is inappropriate for this particular situation. In addition, there are 
alternatives to Google hangout, why is Google responsible for being 100% accessible? When 
other companies are not 100% accessible, and 95% of the features can be accessed. And 
again, as obvious that Google hangouts isn't 100% accessible on iOS, it is apparent that 
iOS in that sense is no better than android because from what I remember, Google plus was 
actually usable on android.

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On May 18, 2013, at 6:43 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:


I think point 2 should stay. It is not device-specific, but rather a general 
point that many accessibility features have to be downloaded separately on 
Android in general. There is no way to say that without people knowing you are 
talking about using Android devices. Perhaps the bit about not knowing why 
anyone would choose android should be removed, but other than that I see where 
the OP is coming from. I'd sign this, but they want my full street address and 
city/state... I'm not sure I want to make that public!
On May 18, 2013, at 3:39 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:


You have very valid points on 1 and 3, but for the sake of being on topic in 
this list.  Your argument about devices should NOT be mentioned in your 
petition.  Here, you're preaching to the choir, but publicly, you're starting a 
war, and your arguments are weak. We should leave that subject out.  Going back 
to point #1, Google+ is also not very accessible on iOS devices, and I've 
stated that many times, on Google+, by the way.  On your petition, you might 
also add, that google's search page should be made stretch-zoomable on iOS as 
well.  If we can strike out the Device parts, I'll gladly sign.

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Hey Listers,

I am asking for your assistance. I hav

Re: burning an mp3 cd with iTunes

[Chris Blouch]

If all the songs in the playlist are mp3 then when you go to burn the CD 
it will ask if you want an Audio CD or MP3 CD. So if you have m4a files 
you'll need to convert those to mp3 first. If you don't have the Import 
Settings in Preferences set to MP3 you'll need to go there and make your 
choices for bitrate and stuff. After that you can pick all your m4a 
files and then choose Create New Version from the file menu and then 
pick Create MP3 Version. Then with all the mp3s in a playlist you should 
be ready to make your mp3 CD.


CB

On 5/16/13 11:46 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

I am trying to burn a playlist that I have created in iTunes to a cd. 
The files are m4a, and I want to make an mp3 cd. When I try to burn the 
playlist, Itunes says it can't do that, I assume, because the files are not 
already mp3. Is there a way to convert these to the highest quality mp3 and 
then burn that to a cd?

Mary

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Switching to VMWare from bootcamp

[Phil Halton]

I assume the first things to do for the switch is to
1) de-authorize any software licenses on the windows bootcamp side, like jaws, 
MS-Office etc. Also to save any data I want to keep.

2) from the Mac side, eliminate the bootcamp partition via the bootcamp utility

3) purchase and install VMWare latest and greatest and read up on its operation 
and use.

 I'm hoping that the single license retail copy of windows7 I used for the 
bootcamp installation, which I eliminated, will now transfer over and authorize 
the copy of windows in VMWare. That is, will microsoft have a fit thinking that 
I'm somehow trying to use a single license on more than one installation?

Is there anything I have to do to de-authorize windows7 before wiping the 
partition so that it'll be usable in VMWare?


I tried using a trial version a while back and had problems, and ditched it 
without giving it a fair shake. But, I know people are using it with great 
success and I expect I'll be able to work out any problems as well with the 
help of the list.

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Re: Switching to VMWare from bootcamp

[Chris H]

Actually there is a way in Vmware to either import the bootcamp 
partition and create a virtual machine out of it, or create a virtual 
machine which boots directly to the Bootcamp partition. In my guide on 
setting up Bootcamp without sighted assistance at

www.applevis.com
I show you how to import the bootcamp partition and create a virtual 
machine out of it.




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On 18/05/2013 17:57, Phil Halton wrote:

I assume the first things to do for the switch is to
1) de-authorize any software licenses on the windows bootcamp side, like jaws, 
MS-Office etc. Also to save any data I want to keep.

2) from the Mac side, eliminate the bootcamp partition via the bootcamp utility

3) purchase and install VMWare latest and greatest and read up on its operation 
and use.

  I'm hoping that the single license retail copy of windows7 I used for the 
bootcamp installation, which I eliminated, will now transfer over and authorize 
the copy of windows in VMWare. That is, will microsoft have a fit thinking that 
I'm somehow trying to use a single license on more than one installation?

Is there anything I have to do to de-authorize windows7 before wiping the 
partition so that it'll be usable in VMWare?


I tried using a trial version a while back and had problems, and ditched it 
without giving it a fair shake. But, I know people are using it with great 
success and I expect I'll be able to work out any problems as well with the 
help of the list.



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Re: Switching to VMWare from bootcamp

[Mike Arrigo]

Actually, fusion will allow you to use your boot camp copy of windows in a 
virtual machine, so you may not have to go through all of that, however, 
creating a new virtual machine will offer you a few advantages. It's one file, 
so it's very easy to back up. If something happens to your copy of windows, 
just restore a backed up version. Not sure about the authorization for windows, 
but if it's been more than 4 months since you activated it in boot camp, I 
think it will work, not totally sure though. I use fusion here and it works 
well.
On May 18, 2013, at 11:57 AM, "Phil Halton"  wrote:

> I assume the first things to do for the switch is to
> 1) de-authorize any software licenses on the windows bootcamp side, like 
> jaws, MS-Office etc. Also to save any data I want to keep.
>  
> 2) from the Mac side, eliminate the bootcamp partition via the bootcamp 
> utility
>  
> 3) purchase and install VMWare latest and greatest and read up on its 
> operation and use.
>  
>  I'm hoping that the single license retail copy of windows7 I used for the 
> bootcamp installation, which I eliminated, will now transfer over and 
> authorize the copy of windows in VMWare. That is, will microsoft have a fit 
> thinking that I'm somehow trying to use a single license on more than one 
> installation?
>  
> Is there anything I have to do to de-authorize windows7 before wiping the 
> partition so that it'll be usable in VMWare?
>  
>  
> I tried using a trial version a while back and had problems, and ditched it 
> without giving it a fair shake. But, I know people are using it with great 
> success and I expect I'll be able to work out any problems as well with the 
> help of the list.
>  
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Dragging and Dropping a mailbox to Favorites

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all,

I know that has been covered before, and I have read what I could
find, but have had no luck. I am trying to drag and drop a mailbox
into my favorites in mac mail. I have tried using the keyboard keys VO
comma, and have of course gotten the mailbox may be hidden message. I
tried doing a command option H to hide everything, doesn't work and
have even tried using the trackpad and setting the mark and move
command with a command flick right and still get the cannot move
mailbox as it is blocked by something that is hidden. Does anyone know
how I might be able to solve this as I have seen that some people have
been able to move mailboxes to their favorite bar. Thanks.

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problems getting to the google labs page

[eric oyen]

hello everyone,

I am wanting to use a few advanced features in Gmail here, but am unable to get 
to the google labs enable page (and standard view html is useless on safari 
with voiceover). anyone happen to have a solution that works?

also, anyone happen to have access to a contact page specifically for 
accessibility issues with google products?

-eric

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Re: Dragging and Dropping a mailbox to Favorites

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

have you tried putting Mail into full screen mode?



Ricardo Walker
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On May 18, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
> I know that has been covered before, and I have read what I could
> find, but have had no luck. I am trying to drag and drop a mailbox
> into my favorites in mac mail. I have tried using the keyboard keys VO
> comma, and have of course gotten the mailbox may be hidden message. I
> tried doing a command option H to hide everything, doesn't work and
> have even tried using the trackpad and setting the mark and move
> command with a command flick right and still get the cannot move
> mailbox as it is blocked by something that is hidden. Does anyone know
> how I might be able to solve this as I have seen that some people have
> been able to move mailboxes to their favorite bar. Thanks.
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Re: Dragging and Dropping a mailbox to Favorites

[Brian Fischler]

Yes, Have tried all of this in full screen and none full screen but get the 
same error message that the mailbox is not draggable and might be hidden
On May 18, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> have you tried putting Mail into full screen mode?
> 
> 
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On May 18, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> I know that has been covered before, and I have read what I could
>> find, but have had no luck. I am trying to drag and drop a mailbox
>> into my favorites in mac mail. I have tried using the keyboard keys VO
>> comma, and have of course gotten the mailbox may be hidden message. I
>> tried doing a command option H to hide everything, doesn't work and
>> have even tried using the trackpad and setting the mark and move
>> command with a command flick right and still get the cannot move
>> mailbox as it is blocked by something that is hidden. Does anyone know
>> how I might be able to solve this as I have seen that some people have
>> been able to move mailboxes to their favorite bar. Thanks.
>> 
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Re: using keyboard

[Chris Blouch]

When you say 'regular' do you mean a USB keyboard or a regular 
bluetooth? I haven't tried it but there were lots of messages on this 
list talking about hooking bluetooth keyboards to iOS devices. There is 
no USB port on iOS devices but that's not to say somebody hasn't come up 
with some kind of dongle which will allow you to do that. Probably not 
worth the cost compared to just getting a bluetooth keyboard.


CB

On 5/16/13 6:21 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
Forgive what may be a silly question...but I was thinking of this 
before I saw the post.
Is there no way to connect a regular apple keyboard to any ios device? 
You know the way one can connect one to a laptop?

Karen

On Thu, 16 May 2013, Phil Halton wrote:


Here is a list of bluetooth keyboard commands for IOS devices!

*** General navigation

Keys
Action
VO + left or right
Select previous or next item

VO + up or down
Performs or move to the selected rotor option

VO + Space
Activate the selected item. (open app, press button)

VO + H
Go to home screen

VO + H 2 times
Open/close multitask pane (app switcher)

Escape
Go back, cancel, close pop-up

Cmd + Tab
Switch to next app or hold Shift for previous

VO + A
Read all from first object in selected area

VO + B
Read all from selected item

VO + M
Move to status bar

VO + I
Open Item Chooser for current area

VO + F
Search and go to match with Enter

VO + G
Next search match, hold Shift for previous

*** Handling VoiceOver

Control
Pause/resume speech

VO + S
Toggle speech off/on

VO + Shift + S
Toggle Screen Curtain on/off

VO + Cmd + up or down
Adjust the selected speech rotor option

VO + Cmd + left or right
Change the speech rotor setting

VO + /
Add label to selected item

VO + K
Start VoiceOver training, Escape to exit

*** Quick Nav Commands
Turn on "Quick Nav" by pressing left & right arrows

up + down
Activate the selected item. (open app, press button)

left or right
Selects the previous or next item

up or down
Performs or move to the selected rotor option
up + left or right
Change to next or previous rotor setting

Option + left or right
Move to next or previous horizontal screen/page

Option + up or down
Move/scroll up or down the screen/page

Control + up or down
Select the first or last item in the area

Control + left or right
Go to next or previous container/area

*** Safari Web Shortcuts

Hold Shift for previous

H
Next heading

1 to 6
Next respective heading level 1-6

L
Next link

S
Next text element

W
Next landmark

R
Next text field

X
Next list

T
Next table

M
Next element of same type

I
Next image

B
Next button

C
Next form element

*** Text Field Commands

You must have "Quick Nav" off to use these commands.

When moving cursor, hold Shift to select/deselect

left or right
Move cursor by character

up or down
Move cursor by line

Option+ left or right
Move cursor by word

Control or Cmd + left or right
Move cursor by phrase

Cmd + A
Select all

Cmd + C
Copy selection

Cmd + X
Cut selection

Cmd + V
Paste

Cmd + Z
Undo. Note: you can also shake the device

Cmd + Shift + Z
Redo. Note: you can also shake the device

Eject
Show/hide screen keyboard

*** Other Keyboard Action

VO + -
Performs special action
Cmd + Space
Change language keyboard layout

F1
Decrease screen brightness

F2

Increase screen brightness

F7
Previous song

F8
Pause/resume song

F9
Next song

F10
Mute sound

F11
Decrease volume

F12
Increase volume

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From: wayne17a
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:44 PM
Subject: using keyboard


Hi all I did read a some time ago about using a keyboard with the 
ipad wirelessly so does anybody have the manual on what keys do what 
and how



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Anyone else having "mail busy" issues when they wake their Mac up?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

I generally just leave the mail app open, and for the last few weeks, often, 
when I wake up the Mac, I get "Mail busy" for 30 seconds to a minute after 
waking the Mac up.  Anyone else seeing this?  Anyone found a solution?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: using keyboard

[Karen Lewellen]

I already have a usb keyboard in my house attached to my other mac.
I do mean regular yes.
will be worth asking,  about the adapter that is, for me at least.
Karen

On Sat, 18 May 2013, Chris Blouch wrote:

When you say 'regular' do you mean a USB keyboard or a regular bluetooth? I 
haven't tried it but there were lots of messages on this list talking about 
hooking bluetooth keyboards to iOS devices. There is no USB port on iOS 
devices but that's not to say somebody hasn't come up with some kind of 
dongle which will allow you to do that. Probably not worth the cost compared 
to just getting a bluetooth keyboard.


CB

On 5/16/13 6:21 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 Forgive what may be a silly question...but I was thinking of this before I
 saw the post.
 Is there no way to connect a regular apple keyboard to any ios device? You
 know the way one can connect one to a laptop?
 Karen

 On Thu, 16 May 2013, Phil Halton wrote:

>  Here is a list of bluetooth keyboard commands for IOS devices!
> 
>  *** General navigation
> 
>  Keys

>  Action
>  VO + left or right
>  Select previous or next item
> 
>  VO + up or down

>  Performs or move to the selected rotor option
> 
>  VO + Space

>  Activate the selected item. (open app, press button)
> 
>  VO + H

>  Go to home screen
> 
>  VO + H 2 times

>  Open/close multitask pane (app switcher)
> 
>  Escape

>  Go back, cancel, close pop-up
> 
>  Cmd + Tab

>  Switch to next app or hold Shift for previous
> 
>  VO + A

>  Read all from first object in selected area
> 
>  VO + B

>  Read all from selected item
> 
>  VO + M

>  Move to status bar
> 
>  VO + I

>  Open Item Chooser for current area
> 
>  VO + F

>  Search and go to match with Enter
> 
>  VO + G

>  Next search match, hold Shift for previous
> 
>  *** Handling VoiceOver
> 
>  Control

>  Pause/resume speech
> 
>  VO + S

>  Toggle speech off/on
> 
>  VO + Shift + S

>  Toggle Screen Curtain on/off
> 
>  VO + Cmd + up or down

>  Adjust the selected speech rotor option
> 
>  VO + Cmd + left or right

>  Change the speech rotor setting
> 
>  VO + /

>  Add label to selected item
> 
>  VO + K

>  Start VoiceOver training, Escape to exit
> 
>  *** Quick Nav Commands

>  Turn on "Quick Nav" by pressing left & right arrows
> 
>  up + down

>  Activate the selected item. (open app, press button)
> 
>  left or right

>  Selects the previous or next item
> 
>  up or down

>  Performs or move to the selected rotor option
>  up + left or right
>  Change to next or previous rotor setting
> 
>  Option + left or right

>  Move to next or previous horizontal screen/page
> 
>  Option + up or down

>  Move/scroll up or down the screen/page
> 
>  Control + up or down

>  Select the first or last item in the area
> 
>  Control + left or right

>  Go to next or previous container/area
> 
>  *** Safari Web Shortcuts
> 
>  Hold Shift for previous
> 
>  H

>  Next heading
> 
>  1 to 6

>  Next respective heading level 1-6
> 
>  L

>  Next link
> 
>  S

>  Next text element
> 
>  W

>  Next landmark
> 
>  R

>  Next text field
> 
>  X

>  Next list
> 
>  T

>  Next table
> 
>  M

>  Next element of same type
> 
>  I

>  Next image
> 
>  B

>  Next button
> 
>  C

>  Next form element
> 
>  *** Text Field Commands
> 
>  You must have "Quick Nav" off to use these commands.
> 
>  When moving cursor, hold Shift to select/deselect
> 
>  left or right

>  Move cursor by character
> 
>  up or down

>  Move cursor by line
> 
>  Option+ left or right

>  Move cursor by word
> 
>  Control or Cmd + left or right

>  Move cursor by phrase
> 
>  Cmd + A

>  Select all
> 
>  Cmd + C

>  Copy selection
> 
>  Cmd + X

>  Cut selection
> 
>  Cmd + V

>  Paste
> 
>  Cmd + Z

>  Undo. Note: you can also shake the device
> 
>  Cmd + Shift + Z

>  Redo. Note: you can also shake the device
> 
>  Eject

>  Show/hide screen keyboard
> 
>  *** Other Keyboard Action
> 
>  VO + -

>  Performs special action
>  Cmd + Space
>  Change language keyboard layout
> 
>  F1

>  Decrease screen brightness
> 
>  F2
> 
>  Increase screen brightness
> 
>  F7

>  Previous song
> 
>  F8

>  Pause/resume song
> 
>  F9

>  Next song
> 
>  F10

>  Mute sound
> 
>  F11

>  Decrease volume
> 
>  F12

>  Increase volume
> 
>  - Original Message -

>  From: wayne17a
>  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:44 PM
>  Subject: using keyboard
> 
> 
>  Hi all I did read a some time ago about using a keyboard with the ipad 
>  wirelessly so does anybody have the manual on what keys do what and how
> 
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Re: Dragging and Dropping a mailbox to Favorites

[Jürgen Fleger]

Same issue occurs here since the feature was added to VO on both of my Macs. I 
also tried the various hints found in this list but without luck. All you can 
do in my opinion is to write to 
accessibil...@apple.com 
to tell them your issue and the wish to solve it as soon as possible.
All the best
Jürgen

Am 18.05.2013 um 21:27 schrieb Brian Fischler :

> Yes, Have tried all of this in full screen and none full screen but get the 
> same error message that the mailbox is not draggable and might be hidden
> On May 18, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> have you tried putting Mail into full screen mode?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On May 18, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> I know that has been covered before, and I have read what I could
>>> find, but have had no luck. I am trying to drag and drop a mailbox
>>> into my favorites in mac mail. I have tried using the keyboard keys VO
>>> comma, and have of course gotten the mailbox may be hidden message. I
>>> tried doing a command option H to hide everything, doesn't work and
>>> have even tried using the trackpad and setting the mark and move
>>> command with a command flick right and still get the cannot move
>>> mailbox as it is blocked by something that is hidden. Does anyone know
>>> how I might be able to solve this as I have seen that some people have
>>> been able to move mailboxes to their favorite bar. Thanks.
>>> 
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Re: Anyone else having "mail busy" issues when they wake their Mac up?

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi Donna,
no such issue here. Not on the iMac and not on the MacBook Air.
All the best
Jürgen
Am 18.05.2013 um 21:52 schrieb Donna Goodin :

> Hi all,
> 
> I generally just leave the mail app open, and for the last few weeks, often, 
> when I wake up the Mac, I get "Mail busy" for 30 seconds to a minute after 
> waking the Mac up.  Anyone else seeing this?  Anyone found a solution?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Anyone else having "mail busy" issues when they wake their Mac up?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Jurgen,

Well, I suppose that's a good thing.  At least it means it's not a software 
issue.  it's funny, I've seen others post about this before, but I've never had 
the issue till these last few weeks.  I can't figure out what would be causing 
it, since it wasn't timed to an upgrade or anything.
Cheers,
Donna
On May 18, 2013, at 3:56 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:

> Hi Donna,
> no such issue here. Not on the iMac and not on the MacBook Air.
> All the best
> Jürgen
> Am 18.05.2013 um 21:52 schrieb Donna Goodin :
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I generally just leave the mail app open, and for the last few weeks, often, 
>> when I wake up the Mac, I get "Mail busy" for 30 seconds to a minute after 
>> waking the Mac up.  Anyone else seeing this?  Anyone found a solution?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Anyone else having "mail busy" issues when they wake their Mac up?

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

I'm not 100% sure of this but, if your using iMap, could you be getting the VO 
busy because, Mail is trying to load a ton of messages?  Especially if its 
adding your all messages folder. Boy how I had that folder by the way. haha.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
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On May 18, 2013, at 3:52 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I generally just leave the mail app open, and for the last few weeks, often, 
> when I wake up the Mac, I get "Mail busy" for 30 seconds to a minute after 
> waking the Mac up.  Anyone else seeing this?  Anyone found a solution?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Dragging and Dropping a mailbox to Favorites

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

How about drag and drop the old fashioned way?  I just tried that, and it 
worked for me.  This is done with VO command shift spacebar.

Ricardo Walker
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On May 18, 2013, at 3:27 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> Yes, Have tried all of this in full screen and none full screen but get the 
> same error message that the mailbox is not draggable and might be hidden
> On May 18, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> have you tried putting Mail into full screen mode?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On May 18, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> I know that has been covered before, and I have read what I could
>>> find, but have had no luck. I am trying to drag and drop a mailbox
>>> into my favorites in mac mail. I have tried using the keyboard keys VO
>>> comma, and have of course gotten the mailbox may be hidden message. I
>>> tried doing a command option H to hide everything, doesn't work and
>>> have even tried using the trackpad and setting the mark and move
>>> command with a command flick right and still get the cannot move
>>> mailbox as it is blocked by something that is hidden. Does anyone know
>>> how I might be able to solve this as I have seen that some people have
>>> been able to move mailboxes to their favorite bar. Thanks.
>>> 
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Re: Anyone else having "mail busy" issues when they wake their Mac up?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Ricardo,

I am using IMAP, and you could certainly be right, though I can't imagine that 
it's trying to load any more messages now than it was three weeks ago.

You know, this is the first time that I've looked at the Archive folder.  How 
on earth does stuff end up there, anyway.  When I look at the list of messages, 
I see no rhyme or reason behind what is stored there and what isn't.  Anyway, 
it's got 900+ messages in it, so maybe I'll try deleting some of them and see 
if that helps.
Cheers,
Donna
On May 18, 2013, at 4:05 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'm not 100% sure of this but, if your using iMap, could you be getting the 
> VO busy because, Mail is trying to load a ton of messages?  Especially if its 
> adding your all messages folder. Boy how I had that folder by the way. haha.
> 
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> 
> On May 18, 2013, at 3:52 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I generally just leave the mail app open, and for the last few weeks, often, 
>> when I wake up the Mac, I get "Mail busy" for 30 seconds to a minute after 
>> waking the Mac up.  Anyone else seeing this?  Anyone found a solution?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Dragging and Dropping a mailbox to Favorites

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Ricardo, We're you successfully able to paste something the old fashion way 
from your mailbox list to your favorites? I tried it, and while I did get that 
scratching sound after VO shift space on the mailbox I want to move to 
favorites when I went to drop it I think it is VO space into my favorites, 
nothing happens. Please let us know. Thanks
On May 18, 2013, at 5:17 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> How about drag and drop the old fashioned way?  I just tried that, and it 
> worked for me.  This is done with VO command shift spacebar.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On May 18, 2013, at 3:27 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> Yes, Have tried all of this in full screen and none full screen but get the 
>> same error message that the mailbox is not draggable and might be hidden
>> On May 18, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> have you tried putting Mail into full screen mode?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
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>>> 
>>> On May 18, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
 Hey all,
 
 I know that has been covered before, and I have read what I could
 find, but have had no luck. I am trying to drag and drop a mailbox
 into my favorites in mac mail. I have tried using the keyboard keys VO
 comma, and have of course gotten the mailbox may be hidden message. I
 tried doing a command option H to hide everything, doesn't work and
 have even tried using the trackpad and setting the mark and move
 command with a command flick right and still get the cannot move
 mailbox as it is blocked by something that is hidden. Does anyone know
 how I might be able to solve this as I have seen that some people have
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Re: Anyone else having "mail busy" issues when they wake their Mac up?

[Ray Foret Jr]

Not with mail:  but, then again, I never put my Mac to sleep.  However, I am 
noticing that when ever I go to press "edit" on a contact card in Contacts, I 
get busy busy busy and have to quit contacts and start over again.  Anyone 
notice this?


Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!

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> 
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> when I wake up the Mac, I get "Mail busy" for 30 seconds to a minute after 
> waking the Mac up.  Anyone else seeing this?  Anyone found a solution?
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Re: Dragging and Dropping a mailbox to Favorites

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

Yeah.  It worked for me.  Its VO command shift spacebar on the folder/mailbox, 
and VO command shift space again on the favorites bar.  

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
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On May 18, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> Hey Ricardo, We're you successfully able to paste something the old fashion 
> way from your mailbox list to your favorites? I tried it, and while I did get 
> that scratching sound after VO shift space on the mailbox I want to move to 
> favorites when I went to drop it I think it is VO space into my favorites, 
> nothing happens. Please let us know. Thanks
> On May 18, 2013, at 5:17 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> How about drag and drop the old fashioned way?  I just tried that, and it 
>> worked for me.  This is done with VO command shift spacebar.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On May 18, 2013, at 3:27 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, Have tried all of this in full screen and none full screen but get the 
>>> same error message that the mailbox is not draggable and might be hidden
>>> On May 18, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 have you tried putting Mail into full screen mode?
 
 
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
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> 
> I know that has been covered before, and I have read what I could
> find, but have had no luck. I am trying to drag and drop a mailbox
> into my favorites in mac mail. I have tried using the keyboard keys VO
> comma, and have of course gotten the mailbox may be hidden message. I
> tried doing a command option H to hide everything, doesn't work and
> have even tried using the trackpad and setting the mark and move
> command with a command flick right and still get the cannot move
> mailbox as it is blocked by something that is hidden. Does anyone know
> how I might be able to solve this as I have seen that some people have
> been able to move mailboxes to their favorite bar. Thanks.
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Root User Issue

[Richard Ring]

> Although one can accomplish most anything that is truly necessary on the
> Mac as an administrative user, in order to fully appreciate the
> difference between an administrative user and a root user, I have
> enabled the root user. Unfortunately, when I log in as the root user, I
> cannot turn VoiceOver on with command f5 as I might expect. When I issue
> this command, I continue to have a silent computer.
> Any ideas as to what might be causing this problem would be greatly
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Re: Dragging and Dropping a mailbox to Favorites

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Ricardo, 

Still no luck here. Just to make sure I am doing this properly. I went to the 
mailbox I want to put into favorites. I clicked VO command shift spacebar. VO 
says mouse down on, then I hear the scratching noise as if the mailbox is being 
dragged. Then I tried both going to the favorites bar and also interacting with 
in it and pressing VO command shift space bar, but can't seem to get the 
mailbox into favorites. Where exactly are you dropping the mailbox in the 
favorites bar? Thanks
On May 18, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Yeah.  It worked for me.  Its VO command shift spacebar on the 
> folder/mailbox, and VO command shift space again on the favorites bar.  
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On May 18, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> Hey Ricardo, We're you successfully able to paste something the old fashion 
>> way from your mailbox list to your favorites? I tried it, and while I did 
>> get that scratching sound after VO shift space on the mailbox I want to move 
>> to favorites when I went to drop it I think it is VO space into my 
>> favorites, nothing happens. Please let us know. Thanks
>> On May 18, 2013, at 5:17 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> How about drag and drop the old fashioned way?  I just tried that, and it 
>>> worked for me.  This is done with VO command shift spacebar.
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>> 
>>> On May 18, 2013, at 3:27 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
 Yes, Have tried all of this in full screen and none full screen but get 
 the same error message that the mailbox is not draggable and might be 
 hidden
 On May 18, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> have you tried putting Mail into full screen mode?
> 
> 
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On May 18, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> I know that has been covered before, and I have read what I could
>> find, but have had no luck. I am trying to drag and drop a mailbox
>> into my favorites in mac mail. I have tried using the keyboard keys VO
>> comma, and have of course gotten the mailbox may be hidden message. I
>> tried doing a command option H to hide everything, doesn't work and
>> have even tried using the trackpad and setting the mark and move
>> command with a command flick right and still get the cannot move
>> mailbox as it is blocked by something that is hidden. Does anyone know
>> how I might be able to solve this as I have seen that some people have
>> been able to move mailboxes to their favorite bar. Thanks.
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removing an app with Facebook?

[Maria & Joe Chapman]

HI guys.  does anyone know how to remove an app using either menu tab safari or 
the iPhone?  Am trying to get voice book vo to work and apparently I need to 
remove the app from my facebook and re authorise it.

Trouble is, I can't figure out how to remove the app.

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Re: Dragging and Dropping a mailbox to Favorites

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

first, I interact with the mailbox list, find the mailbox I want, and press VO 
command shift spacebar. Then, I navigate to the favorites bar but, I didn't 
interact with it. I dropped it right there with VO shift command spacebar again.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
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> Hey Ricardo, 
> 
> Still no luck here. Just to make sure I am doing this properly. I went to the 
> mailbox I want to put into favorites. I clicked VO command shift spacebar. VO 
> says mouse down on, then I hear the scratching noise as if the mailbox is 
> being dragged. Then I tried both going to the favorites bar and also 
> interacting with in it and pressing VO command shift space bar, but can't 
> seem to get the mailbox into favorites. Where exactly are you dropping the 
> mailbox in the favorites bar? Thanks
> On May 18, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yeah.  It worked for me.  Its VO command shift spacebar on the 
>> folder/mailbox, and VO command shift space again on the favorites bar.  
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On May 18, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey Ricardo, We're you successfully able to paste something the old fashion 
>>> way from your mailbox list to your favorites? I tried it, and while I did 
>>> get that scratching sound after VO shift space on the mailbox I want to 
>>> move to favorites when I went to drop it I think it is VO space into my 
>>> favorites, nothing happens. Please let us know. Thanks
>>> On May 18, 2013, at 5:17 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 How about drag and drop the old fashioned way?  I just tried that, and it 
 worked for me.  This is done with VO command shift spacebar.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On May 18, 2013, at 3:27 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
 
> Yes, Have tried all of this in full screen and none full screen but get 
> the same error message that the mailbox is not draggable and might be 
> hidden
> On May 18, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> have you tried putting Mail into full screen mode?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On May 18, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> I know that has been covered before, and I have read what I could
>>> find, but have had no luck. I am trying to drag and drop a mailbox
>>> into my favorites in mac mail. I have tried using the keyboard keys VO
>>> comma, and have of course gotten the mailbox may be hidden message. I
>>> tried doing a command option H to hide everything, doesn't work and
>>> have even tried using the trackpad and setting the mark and move
>>> command with a command flick right and still get the cannot move
>>> mailbox as it is blocked by something that is hidden. Does anyone know
>>> how I might be able to solve this as I have seen that some people have
>>> been able to move mailboxes to their favorite bar. Thanks.
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[Katey Glass]

Hello all,

I'm fairly new to the Mac and am having a hard time reading threaded 
conversations in email.  I'm not sure how to open the threaded message.  If I 
get a single message I can do a VO J and get to the message content, I can do 
this on a threaded message as well, but, don't know how to get from one 
conversation to the next.  

I know this is probably a very basic question, but I'd greatly appreciate your 
help.  

Many thanks,

Katey 

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Re: Dragging and Dropping a mailbox to Favorites

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Ricardo,

Hilarious, I was going to email that I was doing exactly what you said and it 
wasn't working, and then I said let me try one more thing. I turned cursor 
tracking off, and amazingly for some reason that worked. Of course, don't ask 
me to try that again, but I got the mailbox into my favorites that I wanted so 
I could use a command 5 to get to it, and it worked. Thanks so much for all the 
help and suggestions. Not sure why the cursor tracking was affecting it.
On May 18, 2013, at 7:53 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> first, I interact with the mailbox list, find the mailbox I want, and press 
> VO command shift spacebar. Then, I navigate to the favorites bar but, I 
> didn't interact with it. I dropped it right there with VO shift command 
> spacebar again.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On May 18, 2013, at 7:16 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> Hey Ricardo, 
>> 
>> Still no luck here. Just to make sure I am doing this properly. I went to 
>> the mailbox I want to put into favorites. I clicked VO command shift 
>> spacebar. VO says mouse down on, then I hear the scratching noise as if the 
>> mailbox is being dragged. Then I tried both going to the favorites bar and 
>> also interacting with in it and pressing VO command shift space bar, but 
>> can't seem to get the mailbox into favorites. Where exactly are you dropping 
>> the mailbox in the favorites bar? Thanks
>> On May 18, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Yeah.  It worked for me.  Its VO command shift spacebar on the 
>>> folder/mailbox, and VO command shift space again on the favorites bar.  
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>> 
>>> On May 18, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
 Hey Ricardo, We're you successfully able to paste something the old 
 fashion way from your mailbox list to your favorites? I tried it, and 
 while I did get that scratching sound after VO shift space on the mailbox 
 I want to move to favorites when I went to drop it I think it is VO space 
 into my favorites, nothing happens. Please let us know. Thanks
 On May 18, 2013, at 5:17 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> How about drag and drop the old fashioned way?  I just tried that, and it 
> worked for me.  This is done with VO command shift spacebar.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On May 18, 2013, at 3:27 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> Yes, Have tried all of this in full screen and none full screen but get 
>> the same error message that the mailbox is not draggable and might be 
>> hidden
>> On May 18, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> have you tried putting Mail into full screen mode?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>> 
>>> On May 18, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Brian Fischler  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hey all,
 
 I know that has been covered before, and I have read what I could
 find, but have had no luck. I am trying to drag and drop a mailbox
 into my favorites in mac mail. I have tried using the keyboard keys VO
 comma, and have of course gotten the mailbox may be hidden message. I
 tried doing a command option H to hide everything, doesn't work and
 have even tried using the trackpad and setting the mark and move
 command with a command flick right and still get the cannot move
 mailbox as it is blocked by something that is hidden. Does anyone know
 how I might be able to solve this as I have seen that some people have
 been able to move mailboxes to their favorite bar. Thanks.
 
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Re: Mail on the MacBook Air

[Brian Fischler]

Go to preferences in mail and turn threads off. It makes reading mail so much 
easier.
On May 18, 2013, at 8:06 PM, Katey Glass  wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> I'm fairly new to the Mac and am having a hard time reading threaded 
> conversations in email.  I'm not sure how to open the threaded message.  If I 
> get a single message I can do a VO J and get to the message content, I can do 
> this on a threaded message as well, but, don't know how to get from one 
> conversation to the next.  
> 
> I know this is probably a very basic question, but I'd greatly appreciate 
> your help.  
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Katey 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Dragging and Dropping a mailbox to Favorites

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, Brian,

I've had success with both methods discussed in this thread. Try doing this 
with full screen mode, command-control F while in Mail.

HtH,
Teresa
On May 18, 2013, at 5:06 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> Hey Ricardo,
> 
> Hilarious, I was going to email that I was doing exactly what you said and it 
> wasn't working, and then I said let me try one more thing. I turned cursor 
> tracking off, and amazingly for some reason that worked. Of course, don't ask 
> me to try that again, but I got the mailbox into my favorites that I wanted 
> so I could use a command 5 to get to it, and it worked. Thanks so much for 
> all the help and suggestions. Not sure why the cursor tracking was affecting 
> it.
> On May 18, 2013, at 7:53 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> first, I interact with the mailbox list, find the mailbox I want, and press 
>> VO command shift spacebar. Then, I navigate to the favorites bar but, I 
>> didn't interact with it. I dropped it right there with VO shift command 
>> spacebar again.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On May 18, 2013, at 7:16 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey Ricardo, 
>>> 
>>> Still no luck here. Just to make sure I am doing this properly. I went to 
>>> the mailbox I want to put into favorites. I clicked VO command shift 
>>> spacebar. VO says mouse down on, then I hear the scratching noise as if the 
>>> mailbox is being dragged. Then I tried both going to the favorites bar and 
>>> also interacting with in it and pressing VO command shift space bar, but 
>>> can't seem to get the mailbox into favorites. Where exactly are you 
>>> dropping the mailbox in the favorites bar? Thanks
>>> On May 18, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 Yeah.  It worked for me.  Its VO command shift spacebar on the 
 folder/mailbox, and VO command shift space again on the favorites bar.  
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On May 18, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
 
> Hey Ricardo, We're you successfully able to paste something the old 
> fashion way from your mailbox list to your favorites? I tried it, and 
> while I did get that scratching sound after VO shift space on the mailbox 
> I want to move to favorites when I went to drop it I think it is VO space 
> into my favorites, nothing happens. Please let us know. Thanks
> On May 18, 2013, at 5:17 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> How about drag and drop the old fashioned way?  I just tried that, and 
>> it worked for me.  This is done with VO command shift spacebar.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On May 18, 2013, at 3:27 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, Have tried all of this in full screen and none full screen but get 
>>> the same error message that the mailbox is not draggable and might be 
>>> hidden
>>> On May 18, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Ricardo Walker  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 have you tried putting Mail into full screen mode?
 
 
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On May 18, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Brian Fischler  
 wrote:
 
> Hey all,
> 
> I know that has been covered before, and I have read what I could
> find, but have had no luck. I am trying to drag and drop a mailbox
> into my favorites in mac mail. I have tried using the keyboard keys VO
> comma, and have of course gotten the mailbox may be hidden message. I
> tried doing a command option H to hide everything, doesn't work and
> have even tried using the trackpad and setting the mark and move
> command with a command flick right and still get the cannot move
> mailbox as it is blocked by something that is hidden. Does anyone know
> how I might be able to solve this as I have seen that some people have
> been able to move mailboxes to their favorite bar. Thanks.
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Re: Dragging and Dropping a mailbox to Favorites

[Nicholas Parsons]

Hi Jürgen,

This is odd because it works perfectly for me. I'm sure we must be able to get 
it to work for you too.

For me, the best way to get mailboxes from my mailbox list into the favourites 
bar is to use the VO-Period and VO-SHIFT-Period commands.

Are you able to describe the steps you've tried and where you have problems? If 
you here that something may be hidden or blocked, have you tried pressing the 
VO-SHIFT-F2 command to bring the window to the front?

Cheers
Nic 

On 19/05/2013, at 6:50 AM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:

Same issue occurs here since the feature was added to VO on both of my Macs. I 
also tried the various hints found in this list but without luck. All you can 
do in my opinion is to write to 
accessibil...@apple.com 
to tell them your issue and the wish to solve it as soon as possible.
All the best
Jürgen

Am 18.05.2013 um 21:27 schrieb Brian Fischler :

> Yes, Have tried all of this in full screen and none full screen but get the 
> same error message that the mailbox is not draggable and might be hidden
> On May 18, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> have you tried putting Mail into full screen mode?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On May 18, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> I know that has been covered before, and I have read what I could
>>> find, but have had no luck. I am trying to drag and drop a mailbox
>>> into my favorites in mac mail. I have tried using the keyboard keys VO
>>> comma, and have of course gotten the mailbox may be hidden message. I
>>> tried doing a command option H to hide everything, doesn't work and
>>> have even tried using the trackpad and setting the mark and move
>>> command with a command flick right and still get the cannot move
>>> mailbox as it is blocked by something that is hidden. Does anyone know
>>> how I might be able to solve this as I have seen that some people have
>>> been able to move mailboxes to their favorite bar. Thanks.
>>> 
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Re: Mail on the MacBook Air

[Nicholas Parsons]

Hi Katey,

When you're on the threaded conversation in the messages list, press Command-O 
to open the message. To move to another message in that conversation, press 
VO-SHIFT-UP ARROW to stop interacting, then move left or right with VO-Left or 
VO-Right until you get to the other message you want to read, then interact 
with VO-SHIFT-DOWN ARROW.

Best,
Nic

On 19/05/2013, at 10:06 AM, Katey Glass  wrote:

Hello all,

I'm fairly new to the Mac and am having a hard time reading threaded 
conversations in email.  I'm not sure how to open the threaded message.  If I 
get a single message I can do a VO J and get to the message content, I can do 
this on a threaded message as well, but, don't know how to get from one 
conversation to the next.  

I know this is probably a very basic question, but I'd greatly appreciate your 
help.  

Many thanks,

Katey 

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Re: Mail on the MacBook Air

[Rachel Feinberg]

You can also keep quick nav off, and choose to expand/collapse conversations 
with left and right arrow, respectively.
then you just vo+J to read the message text, vo+J to the message list, and up 
or down to go through the conversation as necessary.
Good luck!
Rachel 
On May 18, 2013, at 6:35 PM, Nicholas Parsons  
wrote:

> Hi Katey,
> 
> When you're on the threaded conversation in the messages list, press 
> Command-O to open the message. To move to another message in that 
> conversation, press VO-SHIFT-UP ARROW to stop interacting, then move left or 
> right with VO-Left or VO-Right until you get to the other message you want to 
> read, then interact with VO-SHIFT-DOWN ARROW.
> 
> Best,
> Nic
> 
> On 19/05/2013, at 10:06 AM, Katey Glass  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I'm fairly new to the Mac and am having a hard time reading threaded 
> conversations in email.  I'm not sure how to open the threaded message.  If I 
> get a single message I can do a VO J and get to the message content, I can do 
> this on a threaded message as well, but, don't know how to get from one 
> conversation to the next.  
> 
> I know this is probably a very basic question, but I'd greatly appreciate 
> your help.  
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Katey 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Mail on the MacBook Air

[Catherine Glass]

Hello Nick & Rachel,

Thank you both for your helpful hints, I'm slowly getting used to reading my 
listserv mails on my mac.  If you are seeing this that means I was successful 
in actually replying to my first message.  

Katey 
On May 18, 2013, at 10:21 PM, Rachel Feinberg  wrote:

> You can also keep quick nav off, and choose to expand/collapse conversations 
> with left and right arrow, respectively.
> then you just vo+J to read the message text, vo+J to the message list, and up 
> or down to go through the conversation as necessary.
> Good luck!
> Rachel 
> On May 18, 2013, at 6:35 PM, Nicholas Parsons  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Katey,
>> 
>> When you're on the threaded conversation in the messages list, press 
>> Command-O to open the message. To move to another message in that 
>> conversation, press VO-SHIFT-UP ARROW to stop interacting, then move left or 
>> right with VO-Left or VO-Right until you get to the other message you want 
>> to read, then interact with VO-SHIFT-DOWN ARROW.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Nic
>> 
>> On 19/05/2013, at 10:06 AM, Katey Glass  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I'm fairly new to the Mac and am having a hard time reading threaded 
>> conversations in email.  I'm not sure how to open the threaded message.  If 
>> I get a single message I can do a VO J and get to the message content, I can 
>> do this on a threaded message as well, but, don't know how to get from one 
>> conversation to the next.  
>> 
>> I know this is probably a very basic question, but I'd greatly appreciate 
>> your help.  
>> 
>> Many thanks,
>> 
>> Katey 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Anyone else having "mail busy" issues when they wake their Mac up?

[Donna Goodin]

Sorry, haven't seen that one.
Cheers,
Donna
On May 18, 2013, at 5:59 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> Not with mail:  but, then again, I never put my Mac to sleep.  However, I am 
> noticing that when ever I go to press "edit" on a contact card in Contacts, I 
> get busy busy busy and have to quit contacts and start over again.  Anyone 
> notice this?
> 
> 
> Sent from my mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
> 
> On May 18, 2013, at 2:52 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I generally just leave the mail app open, and for the last few weeks, often, 
>> when I wake up the Mac, I get "Mail busy" for 30 seconds to a minute after 
>> waking the Mac up.  Anyone else seeing this?  Anyone found a solution?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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