Re: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment!
I have to agree with Ricardo. I have no problems either with iBooks or with the App store, they both work fine for me. Best, Donna On Feb 15, 2013, at 11:28 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Hi, > > I must say, I'm at a total loss about iBooks and the app store. These seem > to be working fine for me on all my IOS devices. I remember a few months > back, when they first changed the app store there was accessible issues. I > think they fixed that in a month or less. And I've never had any problems > using the table index sliders. Just to be clear, I'm not saying that you are > not indeed having these issues. I'm just wondering, could it be user error? > > Ricardo Walker > rica...@appletothecore.info > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > > On Feb 15, 2013, at 10:57 PM, Cheree Heppe wrote: > >> Cheree Heppe here: >> >> No need to make excuses for Apple. The IBooks store and the App Store have >> become significantly less accessible with the changing IOS versions. This >> doesn't have to happen and is a bad sign. In IBooks, there are horizontal >> rows of titles and at either end of those rows oone encounters a slider or >> something that when barely touched will shift the titles listings so that a >> blind user has a hell of a time determining what the list actually contains. >> >> The same slider in the contacts list on the IPhone works well because it >> somehow paces itself with the user's scrolling finger and is very usable. >> >> The App Store has these screen shots and a tiny place to flick up or >> whatever that in using the I-devices since 2010, I have not been able to >> master. The earlier iteration of the app store's accessibility worked so >> well that it was easy to read about the apps, move through a list and so on. >> I have barely used either the app store or IBooks store since these >> limitations became part of the IOS. >> >> These changes make it nearly impossible for a new blind user to get a >> confident sense of the potential for independent access that we got only a >> few IOS upgrades ago. This would be very off putting to me if I had >> acquired my I-device recently. >> >> Apple does not have to model its screen reader and access after the >> seriously broken JAWS example. I use JAWS at work and have never >> experienced a computer program so poorly equipped to do a job. >> >> >> Regards, >> Cheree Heppe >> >> >> Sent from my IPhone 4S >> >> On 15/02/2013, at 15:50, "Blake Sinnett" wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I would have to agree. Apple has lost some of their magic ever since the >> middle of last year. Things just seem to be breaking a little too often. >> iCloud, bugs in iOS 6, the maps fiasco... Who knows what'll happen next. Of >> course Tim's just taken over, so maybe after a while things'll smooth out. >> The only thing we can do is wait and see what happens. >> >> Blake >> >> -- >> From: >> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:42 AM >> To: >> Subject: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment! >> >>> OT: iOS 6 disappointment! >>> >>> Is anyone else feeling a little sad about the iOS eco-system since release >>> in October. Don't get me wrong, there will always be issues. However Apple >>> has had so many issues. >>> First, you had the complete redesign of iBooks, App, iTunes store. In the >>> first release the blind community lost a lot of access, because we didn't >>> even have the ability to see ratings with the new software. >>> Second, you had the App store crashing when you would go into the search >>> area. This happened to everyone, not just our community. >>> thirdly, who can forget the map debacle. >>> You have devices going into recovery mode when you do a reset. >>> The 6. 1 update you now have exchange issue. The extreme 4s battery issue, >>> and now this morning people who use institutional accounts like at schools. >>> Individuals can bypass the no downloading option. >>> I just find this so sad. apple used to pay such close attention to >>> stability, clean UI, and of course accessibility. I still love my Apple >>> products, and hope things change under Jony Ive. Is anyone else feeling >>> slightly let down? This is just a short list, I know you could point out >>> more. I just pointed out a few which never should have happened! >>> >>> J.P. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscri
Re: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment!
Well said, Alex. Cheers, Donna On Feb 15, 2013, at 11:43 PM, Alex Hall wrote: > I agree. While I don't use the iBook Store much, I use the App Store all the > time. Once I got used to the new layout, I had no problems at all, and still > don't. Yes, I preferred the old layout, but one thing we have to remember is > that the iOS platform is geared toward being visually pleasing and easy to > use. Putting accessibility on that should not limit Apple. That is, if it > sells more devices and looks better to set things up the way they have done > in iOS6, and if that new interface can be made totally accessible, then they > have every right to make the change. Just because it is different, or not as > easy to use at first glance, does not make it worse. For instance, one thing > people forget to use in the new App Store is heading navigation, which lets > you flick between the app and the selected information. You can also touch > the left-most tab on the bottom, flick left once, and there's your adjustable > picker of search results. Does Apple make mistakes? Yes, and plenty of them, > but they sell millions of units and are trying to please a huge range of > users. Do they make interfaces that are accessible but horrible to use? Yes > (Garageband, for instance - you can use it, but not efficiently). Overall, > though, they do their best, they have an amazing accessibility department, > and, remember, Voiceover is still younger than most of the screen readers out > there, yet it can easily compete with any of them. > On Feb 16, 2013, at 12:28 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I must say, I'm at a total loss about iBooks and the app store. These seem >> to be working fine for me on all my IOS devices. I remember a few months >> back, when they first changed the app store there was accessible issues. I >> think they fixed that in a month or less. And I've never had any problems >> using the table index sliders. Just to be clear, I'm not saying that you >> are not indeed having these issues. I'm just wondering, could it be user >> error? >> >> Ricardo Walker >> rica...@appletothecore.info >> Twitter:@apple2thecore >> www.appletothecore.info >> >> On Feb 15, 2013, at 10:57 PM, Cheree Heppe wrote: >> >>> Cheree Heppe here: >>> >>> No need to make excuses for Apple. The IBooks store and the App Store have >>> become significantly less accessible with the changing IOS versions. This >>> doesn't have to happen and is a bad sign. In IBooks, there are horizontal >>> rows of titles and at either end of those rows oone encounters a slider or >>> something that when barely touched will shift the titles listings so that a >>> blind user has a hell of a time determining what the list actually contains. >>> >>> The same slider in the contacts list on the IPhone works well because it >>> somehow paces itself with the user's scrolling finger and is very usable. >>> >>> The App Store has these screen shots and a tiny place to flick up or >>> whatever that in using the I-devices since 2010, I have not been able to >>> master. The earlier iteration of the app store's accessibility worked so >>> well that it was easy to read about the apps, move through a list and so >>> on. I have barely used either the app store or IBooks store since these >>> limitations became part of the IOS. >>> >>> These changes make it nearly impossible for a new blind user to get a >>> confident sense of the potential for independent access that we got only a >>> few IOS upgrades ago. This would be very off putting to me if I had >>> acquired my I-device recently. >>> >>> Apple does not have to model its screen reader and access after the >>> seriously broken JAWS example. I use JAWS at work and have never >>> experienced a computer program so poorly equipped to do a job. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Cheree Heppe >>> >>> >>> Sent from my IPhone 4S >>> >>> On 15/02/2013, at 15:50, "Blake Sinnett" wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I would have to agree. Apple has lost some of their magic ever since the >>> middle of last year. Things just seem to be breaking a little too often. >>> iCloud, bugs in iOS 6, the maps fiasco... Who knows what'll happen next. Of >>> course Tim's just taken over, so maybe after a while things'll smooth out. >>> The only thing we can do is wait and see what happens. >>> >>> Blake >>> >>> -- >>> From: >>> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:42 AM >>> To: >>> Subject: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment! >>> OT: iOS 6 disappointment! Is anyone else feeling a little sad about the iOS eco-system since release in October. Don't get me wrong, there will always be issues. However Apple has had so many issues. First, you had the complete redesign of iBooks, App, iTunes store. In the first release the blind community lost a lot of access, because we didn't even have the ability t
Re: New episode, activator, can your smartphone really be smart?
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itunes and buying songs today
Dear listers, In the mac itunes store, I used to buy music and that would then be downloaded into my computer. I think this is no longer the case. Is it true that I can only stream a song from itunes from the Apple servers, and not have it in my possession on the hard disk? What I want is an m4a file for real when I buy something. Is this issue known to any of you? Can I change something in itunes, so that all my new tracks will download to me? Thanks for an answer in advance. Kind regards, Paul. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hello there, I tried the safe mode feature but it seems like the Ipad is getting caught in a chain of rebooting. I am unable to find a good tutorial to explain to me how to reset the Ipad so that I can reset it back to the original Apple firmware and re jail break again. I know one thing if you don't try an app you don't know if it works or not so I am still not scared just have to learn the Apple's ins and outs. -- Have a nice day. Scott Berry Email: sb356...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: itunes and buying songs today
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Re: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment!
Cheree Heppe here: This fascinates me. Whenever a change in accessibility is made that impairs us, somebody always apologizes for us by saying that we have to make allowances for the visuals among us. Does that strike anyone as backward thinking? Hanging accessibility on the visual appeal perceptions of a blind observer implies that we as blind people have no idea of what is easy to use or what is useful. Universal design does not mean me firster design, unless I'm seriously misunderstanding the intent of the English language. The previous iteration worked. This iteration is convoluted and restrictive. Earlier, Apple made the choice to ignor accessibility and ended up losing the contract for the State of New York's schools because their newest version of accessibility had narrowed the access so badly that those needing the access couldn't use it and the Windows camp took precedence. I would hate to think that sort of slippage is re-asserting itself. My srance: The current iteration of IOS it flawed and moving farther into that area. My thinking is that somebody in Apple is embarrassed to be compared to a charity group pandoring to the disabled and, why don't the Apple people realize that they have a normal public to satisfy, etc. Well, the fact remains that anyone has the potential to require disability features. An accident, a careless inattention by our fellow man and we have the accessibility paradigm staring us in the face. There are always those pesky wars, where whole people come back with less than they left with. Accessibility features aid everyone. There should not be a stigma in how accessibility is introduced into a product. If there is doubt, the accessibility tab in the IOS devices is way at the bottom of the list of other modalities,. Accessibility should be intuitive and simple, so that somebody newly faced with issues that already cloud their emothins and judgment can just reach out and keep going with a slightly new form. The App Store isn't easy and isn't accessible. The IBooks store is iffy and tedious to navigate as a blind user now and it didn't act that way before the new IOS iteration. So, do I just return to paying my $75 or $50 fee and reading second hand through BookShare? Anybody out there listening? I hope so, because Apple made a gigantic stride toward equalizing the paying field. It must have really bothered a few and maybe there are influences geared to making this new, shiny equality a bit tarnished to turn those ungrateful blind types back toward those who really know best how to care for and govern them. Regards, Cheree Heppe Sent from my IPhone 4S On 16/02/2013, at 2:31, Donna Goodin wrote: Well said, Alex. Cheers, Donna On Feb 15, 2013, at 11:43 PM, Alex Hall wrote: > I agree. While I don't use the iBook Store much, I use the App Store all the > time. Once I got used to the new layout, I had no problems at all, and still > don't. Yes, I preferred the old layout, but one thing we have to remember is > that the iOS platform is geared toward being visually pleasing and easy to > use. Putting accessibility on that should not limit Apple. That is, if it > sells more devices and looks better to set things up the way they have done > in iOS6, and if that new interface can be made totally accessible, then they > have every right to make the change. Just because it is different, or not as > easy to use at first glance, does not make it worse. For instance, one thing > people forget to use in the new App Store is heading navigation, which lets > you flick between the app and the selected information. You can also touch > the left-most tab on the bottom, flick left once, and there's your adjustable > picker of search results. Does Apple make mistakes? Yes, and plenty of them, > but they sell millions of units and are trying to please a huge range of > users. Do they make interfaces that are accessible but horrible to use? Yes > (Garageband, for instance - you can use it, but not efficiently). Overall, > though, they do their best, they have an amazing accessibility department, > and, remember, Voiceover is still younger than most of the screen readers out > there, yet it can easily compete with any of them. > On Feb 16, 2013, at 12:28 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I must say, I'm at a total loss about iBooks and the app store. These seem >> to be working fine for me on all my IOS devices. I remember a few months >> back, when they first changed the app store there was accessible issues. I >> think they fixed that in a month or less. And I've never had any problems >> using the table index sliders. Just to be clear, I'm not saying that you >> are not indeed having these issues. I'm just wondering, could it be user >> error? >> >> Ricardo Walker >> rica...@appletothecore.info >> Twitter:@apple2thecore >> www.appletothecore.info >> >> On Feb 15, 2013, at 10:57 PM, Cheree Heppe wro
Re: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment!
Cheree Heppe here: The table index slider in the IBooks store is skittery and barely permits tactile interface before it shifts focus. Comparatively, the IPhone table intex slider is better paced and usably responsive to casual brush-over's or purposeful guided interaction by a user. I don't have to accept the premise that, as a blind user, the access problem in the IBooks table index slider is due to a blind person's careless or inaccurate use. The two sliders are programmed to react differently. In the IPads vs the IPhone, the voices pronounce and react slightly differently. This says to me that deviations are creeping into the programming and that the sections are not talking to one another and are not keeping the responses standardized. Regards, Cheree Heppe Sent from my IPhone 4S On 15/02/2013, at 21:28, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, I must say, I'm at a total loss about iBooks and the app store. These seem to be working fine for me on all my IOS devices. I remember a few months back, when they first changed the app store there was accessible issues. I think they fixed that in a month or less. And I've never had any problems using the table index sliders. Just to be clear, I'm not saying that you are not indeed having these issues. I'm just wondering, could it be user error? Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Feb 15, 2013, at 10:57 PM, Cheree Heppe wrote: > Cheree Heppe here: > > No need to make excuses for Apple. The IBooks store and the App Store have > become significantly less accessible with the changing IOS versions. This > doesn't have to happen and is a bad sign. In IBooks, there are horizontal > rows of titles and at either end of those rows oone encounters a slider or > something that when barely touched will shift the titles listings so that a > blind user has a hell of a time determining what the list actually contains. > > The same slider in the contacts list on the IPhone works well because it > somehow paces itself with the user's scrolling finger and is very usable. > > The App Store has these screen shots and a tiny place to flick up or whatever > that in using the I-devices since 2010, I have not been able to master. The > earlier iteration of the app store's accessibility worked so well that it was > easy to read about the apps, move through a list and so on. I have barely > used either the app store or IBooks store since these limitations became part > of the IOS. > > These changes make it nearly impossible for a new blind user to get a > confident sense of the potential for independent access that we got only a > few IOS upgrades ago. This would be very off putting to me if I had acquired > my I-device recently. > > Apple does not have to model its screen reader and access after the seriously > broken JAWS example. I use JAWS at work and have never experienced a > computer program so poorly equipped to do a job. > > > Regards, > Cheree Heppe > > > Sent from my IPhone 4S > > On 15/02/2013, at 15:50, "Blake Sinnett" wrote: > > Hello, > > I would have to agree. Apple has lost some of their magic ever since the > middle of last year. Things just seem to be breaking a little too often. > iCloud, bugs in iOS 6, the maps fiasco... Who knows what'll happen next. Of > course Tim's just taken over, so maybe after a while things'll smooth out. > The only thing we can do is wait and see what happens. > > Blake > > -- > From: > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:42 AM > To: > Subject: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment! > >> OT: iOS 6 disappointment! >> >> Is anyone else feeling a little sad about the iOS eco-system since release >> in October. Don't get me wrong, there will always be issues. However Apple >> has had so many issues. >> First, you had the complete redesign of iBooks, App, iTunes store. In the >> first release the blind community lost a lot of access, because we didn't >> even have the ability to see ratings with the new software. >> Second, you had the App store crashing when you would go into the search >> area. This happened to everyone, not just our community. >> thirdly, who can forget the map debacle. >> You have devices going into recovery mode when you do a reset. >> The 6. 1 update you now have exchange issue. The extreme 4s battery issue, >> and now this morning people who use institutional accounts like at schools. >> Individuals can bypass the no downloading option. >> I just find this so sad. apple used to pay such close attention to >> stability, clean UI, and of course accessibility. I still love my Apple >> products, and hope things change under Jony Ive. Is anyone else feeling >> slightly let down? This is just a short list, I know you could point out >> more. I just pointed out a few which never should have happened! >> >> J.P. >> >> -- >> You received this message because y
Re: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment!
II do get what you mean here. although I do not see how the apps store is not accessible. Sent from my iPod On 16/02/2013, at 8:56 AM, Cheree Heppe wrote: > Cheree Heppe here: > This fascinates me. Whenever a change in accessibility is made that impairs > us, somebody always apologizes for us by saying that we have to make > allowances for the visuals among us. Does that strike anyone as backward > thinking? > > Hanging accessibility on the visual appeal perceptions of a blind observer > implies that we as blind people have no idea of what is easy to use or what > is useful. Universal design does not mean me firster design, unless I'm > seriously misunderstanding the intent of the English language. > > The previous iteration worked. This iteration is convoluted and restrictive. > > Earlier, Apple made the choice to ignor accessibility and ended up losing the > contract for the State of New York's schools because their newest version of > accessibility had narrowed the access so badly that those needing the access > couldn't use it and the Windows camp took precedence. > > I would hate to think that sort of slippage is re-asserting itself. > > My srance: The current iteration of IOS it flawed and moving farther into > that area. My thinking is that somebody in Apple is embarrassed to be > compared to a charity group pandoring to the disabled and, why don't the > Apple people realize that they have a normal public to satisfy, etc. > > Well, the fact remains that anyone has the potential to require disability > features. An accident, a careless inattention by our fellow man and we have > the accessibility paradigm staring us in the face. There are always those > pesky wars, where whole people come back with less than they left with. > > Accessibility features aid everyone. There should not be a stigma in how > accessibility is introduced into a product. If there is doubt, the > accessibility tab in the IOS devices is way at the bottom of the list of > other modalities,. Accessibility should be intuitive and simple, so that > somebody newly faced with issues that already cloud their emothins and > judgment can just reach out and keep going with a slightly new form. > > The App Store isn't easy and isn't accessible. The IBooks store is iffy and > tedious to navigate as a blind user now and it didn't act that way before the > new IOS iteration. > > So, do I just return to paying my $75 or $50 fee and reading second hand > through BookShare? > > Anybody out there listening? I hope so, because Apple made a gigantic stride > toward equalizing the paying field. It must have really bothered a few and > maybe there are influences geared to making this new, shiny equality a bit > tarnished to turn those ungrateful blind types back toward those who really > know best how to care for and govern them. > > > Regards, > Cheree Heppe > > > > Sent from my IPhone 4S > > On 16/02/2013, at 2:31, Donna Goodin wrote: > > Well said, Alex. > Cheers, > Donna > On Feb 15, 2013, at 11:43 PM, Alex Hall wrote: > >> I agree. While I don't use the iBook Store much, I use the App Store all the >> time. Once I got used to the new layout, I had no problems at all, and still >> don't. Yes, I preferred the old layout, but one thing we have to remember is >> that the iOS platform is geared toward being visually pleasing and easy to >> use. Putting accessibility on that should not limit Apple. That is, if it >> sells more devices and looks better to set things up the way they have done >> in iOS6, and if that new interface can be made totally accessible, then they >> have every right to make the change. Just because it is different, or not as >> easy to use at first glance, does not make it worse. For instance, one thing >> people forget to use in the new App Store is heading navigation, which lets >> you flick between the app and the selected information. You can also touch >> the left-most tab on the bottom, flick left once, and there's your >> adjustable picker of search results. Does Apple make mistakes? Yes, and >> plenty of them, but they sell millions of units and are trying to please a >> huge range of users. Do they make interfaces that are accessible but >> horrible to use? Yes (Garageband, for instance - you can use it, but not >> efficiently). Overall, though, they do their best, they have an amazing >> accessibility department, and, remember, Voiceover is still younger than >> most of the screen readers out there, yet it can easily compete with any of >> them. >> On Feb 16, 2013, at 12:28 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I must say, I'm at a total loss about iBooks and the app store. These seem >>> to be working fine for me on all my IOS devices. I remember a few months >>> back, when they first changed the app store there was accessible issues. I >>> think they fixed that in a month or less. And I've never had any problems >>>
Re: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment!
I did say "not as easy to use at first", not "not as easy to use period". The new layout is completely useable once you get used to it. No accessibility should not play second fiddle to visual appeal, but, as I said, if a visual change can still remain accessible, then Apple should make that change if they feel they need to. Different is not inaccessible, it is merely different and we must find a new best way of using it since the old way no longer works. Sometimes, of course, there is no efficient way, and that is when we need to flood Apple with emails about the problem and, more helpfully, offer suggestions as to what can be done. I'll grant that iBooks may now not be as accessible, but again I have never used that program extensively so I could not say. Still, change is not always equal to inaccessible. On Feb 16, 2013, at 9:56 AM, Cheree Heppe wrote: > Cheree Heppe here: > This fascinates me. Whenever a change in accessibility is made that impairs > us, somebody always apologizes for us by saying that we have to make > allowances for the visuals among us. Does that strike anyone as backward > thinking? > > Hanging accessibility on the visual appeal perceptions of a blind observer > implies that we as blind people have no idea of what is easy to use or what > is useful. Universal design does not mean me firster design, unless I'm > seriously misunderstanding the intent of the English language. > > The previous iteration worked. This iteration is convoluted and restrictive. > > Earlier, Apple made the choice to ignor accessibility and ended up losing the > contract for the State of New York's schools because their newest version of > accessibility had narrowed the access so badly that those needing the access > couldn't use it and the Windows camp took precedence. > > I would hate to think that sort of slippage is re-asserting itself. > > My srance: The current iteration of IOS it flawed and moving farther into > that area. My thinking is that somebody in Apple is embarrassed to be > compared to a charity group pandoring to the disabled and, why don't the > Apple people realize that they have a normal public to satisfy, etc. > > Well, the fact remains that anyone has the potential to require disability > features. An accident, a careless inattention by our fellow man and we have > the accessibility paradigm staring us in the face. There are always those > pesky wars, where whole people come back with less than they left with. > > Accessibility features aid everyone. There should not be a stigma in how > accessibility is introduced into a product. If there is doubt, the > accessibility tab in the IOS devices is way at the bottom of the list of > other modalities,. Accessibility should be intuitive and simple, so that > somebody newly faced with issues that already cloud their emothins and > judgment can just reach out and keep going with a slightly new form. > > The App Store isn't easy and isn't accessible. The IBooks store is iffy and > tedious to navigate as a blind user now and it didn't act that way before the > new IOS iteration. > > So, do I just return to paying my $75 or $50 fee and reading second hand > through BookShare? > > Anybody out there listening? I hope so, because Apple made a gigantic stride > toward equalizing the paying field. It must have really bothered a few and > maybe there are influences geared to making this new, shiny equality a bit > tarnished to turn those ungrateful blind types back toward those who really > know best how to care for and govern them. > > > Regards, > Cheree Heppe > > > > Sent from my IPhone 4S > > On 16/02/2013, at 2:31, Donna Goodin wrote: > > Well said, Alex. > Cheers, > Donna > On Feb 15, 2013, at 11:43 PM, Alex Hall wrote: > >> I agree. While I don't use the iBook Store much, I use the App Store all the >> time. Once I got used to the new layout, I had no problems at all, and still >> don't. Yes, I preferred the old layout, but one thing we have to remember is >> that the iOS platform is geared toward being visually pleasing and easy to >> use. Putting accessibility on that should not limit Apple. That is, if it >> sells more devices and looks better to set things up the way they have done >> in iOS6, and if that new interface can be made totally accessible, then they >> have every right to make the change. Just because it is different, or not as >> easy to use at first glance, does not make it worse. For instance, one thing >> people forget to use in the new App Store is heading navigation, which lets >> you flick between the app and the selected information. You can also touch >> the left-most tab on the bottom, flick left once, and there's your >> adjustable picker of search results. Does Apple make mistakes? Yes, and >> plenty of them, but they sell millions of units and are trying to please a >> huge range of users. Do they make interfaces that are accessible bu
Re: Do not download new slacker radio update
Hi, I do n0ot have an ipad. Thanks. I really do hope they will fix the accessibility of the iphone app. Matthew On Feb 15, 2013, at 10:25 PM, ppowell...@aol.com wrote: > Hi Jessica To my knowledge, you get six skips per hour. I'm not sure if that > is per station. Also, to Matthew, Look for I believe it is create a > station/playlist in the main navigation pain on the left hand side of the > iPad app. I'll help however I can. It's very intuitive. very easy. > > Pam Francis > > On Feb 15, 2013, at 7:42 PM, Jessica Moss wrote: > > How many skips do you get with a free acount? I've never exhausted mne, as > opposed to spotify/IHeart radio, but have been really careful not to do that > though, and really like their selections compared to spotify, and the fact > that you can ban a certain song without having to ban the whole artist. > > On Feb 15, 2013, at 10:44 AM, matthew Dyer wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I have an account will think about upgrading. Apparently you can get >> unlimited skipping. I am still trying to figure out how to create a new >> station. Thabnks. >> >> >> Matthew >> >> >> On Feb 14, 2013, at 7:26 PM, ppowell...@aol.com wrote: >> >>> Hi Matthew, >>> There are two tiers Of slacker subscriptions. >>> The plus subscription, $3.99 per month. The premium subscription is $9.95 >>> per month. The premium subscription, allows you to play albums/songs on >>> demand, create and save your own stations With more control over what >>> artists are on them. I believe on all levels you have access to ESPN radio, >>> and ABC news. Go to www.slacker.com and check it out. If I have given the >>> site in error, Google, slacker radio. >>> >>> Pam Francis >>> >>> On Feb 14, 2013, at 4:57 PM, matthew Dyer >>> wrote: >>> >>> How much is a subscribsion to slacker radio? I just screated an account >>> but with the app not sure how to listen to an aboum or what have you. I >>> did play around with the nnew version and ho[pe they can get it fixed soon. >>> >>> Matthew >>> >>> >>> On Feb 14, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Carlene Knight wrote: >>> My husband who is cited says the layout looks nicer and it is easier to use. I'm assuming you don't have to go into the menu to do different things but it sure messes it up for us. Sent from my iPad On Feb 14, 2013, at 10:14 AM, ppowell...@aol.com wrote: > Yes, with a slacker subscription, you can cash content to your device. > Also, premium subscribers can listen to a given album on demand if it is > within their library. Some stations play songs that are not downloadable > due to the rights having expired. However one can still add them to a > favorite songs station and replay them. The iPad app still works. > > Pam Francis > > On Feb 14, 2013, at 7:56 AM, Christine Grassman > wrote: > > I am deeply disappointed about this update. I love Slacker, and do have a > subscription. I canceled my Pandora subscription, in fact, and switched > to Slacker, mostly because I like that I can skip songs if I like without > a limit. With the subscription I have, you can cache content on the phone. > Christine > On Feb 14, 2013, at 8:53 AM, Jessica Moss > wrote: > >> Oh wow, thanx for the info there, I had no idea there even was an >> update. I love their service, but don't have a premium subscription. >> What's the advantage to that aside from being able to listen to a >> station simply by 1 artist? I picked out a station for Hannah to listen >> to 1 night, and next thing I knew, after about possibly 20 minuttes or >> so, I got an alert message telling me "station exhaustion," which I'd >> never gotten before, so I thought that was interesting, but that's the >> only issue I have with it; otherwise, I love it. >> On Feb 14, 2013, at 1:51 AM, ppowell...@aol.com wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> I too am a slacker subscriber. I pay for the premium membership. And >>> definitely not a fan of the new layout. It would not take much to make >>> all of their buttons work. I will never understand why the vendor of a >>> subscription app feels the need to totally rearrange the layout. In my >>> opinion, if it isn't broke, don't fix it. I have found through their >>> support Email system, one gets very little response. I eventually >>> found them and have the contact on my phone to get to their direct tech >>> support via phone. Their email system seems to shoot back automatic >>> computer responses rather than having a human look at what the issues >>> are and correct them. That app has been decent for years. There was no >>> reason to totally rearrange the layout especially for those of us who >>> can no longer reliably use it on iPhone. I agree, the iPad app, seems >>> not to have changed. However, if the iPhone app
Re: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment!
Hi, I just stated that user error might be a possibility. Keep in mind, I don't know you from a hole in the wall. I have no idea what your level of expertise with your devices are. After all, In my experience of being on lists like this for years now, the majority of issues are do to user error. That is not meant to be a insult towards you. Its just a fact. I just find it odd that no one else seems to be encountering the same issues you are. Could you walk me through were in iBooks you are having this problem? And what device you are using? I want to see if I can duplicate the issue with the table index. Thanks. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Feb 16, 2013, at 10:06 AM, Cheree Heppe wrote: > Cheree Heppe here: > > The table index slider in the IBooks store is skittery and barely permits > tactile interface before it shifts focus. Comparatively, the IPhone table > intex slider is better paced and usably responsive to casual brush-over's or > purposeful guided interaction by a user. > > I don't have to accept the premise that, as a blind user, the access problem > in the IBooks table index slider is due to a blind person's careless or > inaccurate use. The two sliders are programmed to react differently. > > In the IPads vs the IPhone, the voices pronounce and react slightly > differently. This says to me that deviations are creeping into the > programming and that the sections are not talking to one another and are not > keeping the responses standardized. > > Regards, > Cheree Heppe > > > > Sent from my IPhone 4S > > On 15/02/2013, at 21:28, Ricardo Walker wrote: > > Hi, > > I must say, I'm at a total loss about iBooks and the app store. These seem > to be working fine for me on all my IOS devices. I remember a few months > back, when they first changed the app store there was accessible issues. I > think they fixed that in a month or less. And I've never had any problems > using the table index sliders. Just to be clear, I'm not saying that you are > not indeed having these issues. I'm just wondering, could it be user error? > > Ricardo Walker > rica...@appletothecore.info > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > > On Feb 15, 2013, at 10:57 PM, Cheree Heppe wrote: > >> Cheree Heppe here: >> >> No need to make excuses for Apple. The IBooks store and the App Store have >> become significantly less accessible with the changing IOS versions. This >> doesn't have to happen and is a bad sign. In IBooks, there are horizontal >> rows of titles and at either end of those rows oone encounters a slider or >> something that when barely touched will shift the titles listings so that a >> blind user has a hell of a time determining what the list actually contains. >> >> The same slider in the contacts list on the IPhone works well because it >> somehow paces itself with the user's scrolling finger and is very usable. >> >> The App Store has these screen shots and a tiny place to flick up or >> whatever that in using the I-devices since 2010, I have not been able to >> master. The earlier iteration of the app store's accessibility worked so >> well that it was easy to read about the apps, move through a list and so on. >> I have barely used either the app store or IBooks store since these >> limitations became part of the IOS. >> >> These changes make it nearly impossible for a new blind user to get a >> confident sense of the potential for independent access that we got only a >> few IOS upgrades ago. This would be very off putting to me if I had >> acquired my I-device recently. >> >> Apple does not have to model its screen reader and access after the >> seriously broken JAWS example. I use JAWS at work and have never >> experienced a computer program so poorly equipped to do a job. >> >> >> Regards, >> Cheree Heppe >> >> >> Sent from my IPhone 4S >> >> On 15/02/2013, at 15:50, "Blake Sinnett" wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I would have to agree. Apple has lost some of their magic ever since the >> middle of last year. Things just seem to be breaking a little too often. >> iCloud, bugs in iOS 6, the maps fiasco... Who knows what'll happen next. Of >> course Tim's just taken over, so maybe after a while things'll smooth out. >> The only thing we can do is wait and see what happens. >> >> Blake >> >> -- >> From: >> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:42 AM >> To: >> Subject: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment! >> >>> OT: iOS 6 disappointment! >>> >>> Is anyone else feeling a little sad about the iOS eco-system since release >>> in October. Don't get me wrong, there will always be issues. However Apple >>> has had so many issues. >>> First, you had the complete redesign of iBooks, App, iTunes store. In the >>> first release the blind community lost a lot of access, because we didn't >>> even have the ability t
Re: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment!
this entire topic, as usual, is coming back to the subjective in nature. What one considers accessible or not differs from another person. I think to make a statement that accessibility is going backwards in iOS is strictly a subjective position based on personal opinion and no real facts. For every point one can make claiming things are getting worse, someone else can come along to disprove that point or make additional points that counter that argument entirely. Apple is not perfect. Bugs exist and will continue to exist. That is the nature of software. Sometimes, old bugs return. Anyone who has been around the generation and evolution of software products surely understands this reality. Things get broken. Things then get fixed. Then, they can be broken again because working on one part of the code effects another and the engineers don't necessary see that until the software is being used on a wider scale. As someone who trains users on iDevices, I can tell you that a lot of the assumed issues with devices often comes down to basic user error. In no way am I meaning to be insulting or assuming with this statement either. I am far from perfect and would never claim otherwise. From experience, though, something as simple as the way one holds the phone to use it can lead to problems with table indexes or locating buttons and such because of finger placement or the angle the device is being operated. People will sometimes tell me that controls move around the screen or double taps aren't working or sliders are not changing only to learn that they are creating the issues because they are not holding the phone steady or do not realize they shift finger placement or allow extra fingers to brush the edges of the screen. I have become so aware of the little things as a trainer that it has made me a much better user simply because I have to help those who are having issues. The App store and iBooks store, for example, are a much nicer and more accessible version now. I find it much easier to teach users how to deal with either store now. As long as you understand the general layout of the screens and know where you are, there are no accessibility problems. To me, I keep it all in perspective. There is an old expression about the grass seeming greener on the other side of the fence. Android is no picnic, and this goes well beyond general accessibility. There are far more problems and confusion in the Android world than iOS 6. At least, for the iOS user, upgrades are universal, users as far back as the 3GS can still use current software and you don't have to worry about malware and other security exploits, unless you go the JB route. In any event, as I said, opinion and generalizations on a public list always lead to topics becoming larger than life. For every person who makes the claim accessibility is decreasing in iOS, I can find 3 others who will counter that assertion. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Feb 16, 2013, at 11:02 AM, Alex Hall wrote: > I did say "not as easy to use at first", not "not as easy to use period". The > new layout is completely useable once you get used to it. No accessibility > should not play second fiddle to visual appeal, but, as I said, if a visual > change can still remain accessible, then Apple should make that change if > they feel they need to. Different is not inaccessible, it is merely different > and we must find a new best way of using it since the old way no longer > works. Sometimes, of course, there is no efficient way, and that is when we > need to flood Apple with emails about the problem and, more helpfully, offer > suggestions as to what can be done. I'll grant that iBooks may now not be as > accessible, but again I have never used that program extensively so I could > not say. Still, change is not always equal to inaccessible. > On Feb 16, 2013, at 9:56 AM, Cheree Heppe wrote: > >> Cheree Heppe here: >> This fascinates me. Whenever a change in accessibility is made that impairs >> us, somebody always apologizes for us by saying that we have to make >> allowances for the visuals among us. Does that strike anyone as backward >> thinking? >> >> Hanging accessibility on the visual appeal perceptions of a blind observer >> implies that we as blind people have no idea of what is easy to use or what >> is useful. Universal design does not mean me firster design, unless I'm >> seriously misunderstanding the intent of the English language. >> >> The previous iteration worked. This iteration is convoluted and restrictive. >> >> Earlier, Apple made the choice to ignor accessibility and ended up losing
Re: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment!
John has pretty much expressed my feelings here. I've used Android with Talkback, and to me, it's not ready for prime time. I say that only because I know some Android users who say that the reason for my point of view regarding Android stems from the fact that I don't know what I'm doing. Now, to the topic. I have used the app store, and I have always been able to accomplish what I wanted to. The same with the iBook store. My definition of accessibility is simple. If I can use it it's accessible. If I can't it's not. Iam still amazed that I can use a touch screen at all, and Apple made this possible. We are a small minority, like a drop of water in the Pacific ocean. Certainly, we should never be afraid to criticize any company, but we should also realize that in the vast scheme of things, where money is all, we don't matter all that much! You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding Sent from my Mac Book Pro richr...@gmail.com On Feb 16, 2013, at 10:26 AM, John Panarese wrote: >this entire topic, as usual, is coming back to the subjective in nature. > What one considers accessible or not differs from another person. I think to > make a statement that accessibility is going backwards in iOS is strictly a > subjective position based on personal opinion and no real facts. For every > point one can make claiming things are getting worse, someone else can come > along to disprove that point or make additional points that counter that > argument entirely. > >Apple is not perfect. Bugs exist and will continue to exist. That is the > nature of software. Sometimes, old bugs return. Anyone who has been around > the generation and evolution of software products surely understands this > reality. Things get broken. Things then get fixed. Then, they can be broken > again because working on one part of the code effects another and the > engineers don't necessary see that until the software is being used on a > wider scale. > > As someone who trains users on iDevices, I can tell you that a lot of the > assumed issues with devices often comes down to basic user error. In no way > am I meaning to be insulting or assuming with this statement either. I am > far from perfect and would never claim otherwise. From experience, though, > something as simple as the way one holds the phone to use it can lead to > problems with table indexes or locating buttons and such because of finger > placement or the angle the device is being operated. People will sometimes > tell me that controls move around the screen or double taps aren't working or > sliders are not changing only to learn that they are creating the issues > because they are not holding the phone steady or do not realize they shift > finger placement or allow extra fingers to brush the edges of the screen. > > I have become so aware of the little things as a trainer that it has made > me a much better user simply because I have to help those who are having > issues. The App store and iBooks store, for example, are a much nicer and > more accessible version now. I find it much easier to teach users how to > deal with either store now. As long as you understand the general layout of > the screens and know where you are, there are no accessibility problems. > >To me, I keep it all in perspective. There is an old expression about the > grass seeming greener on the other side of the fence. Android is no picnic, > and this goes well beyond general accessibility. There are far more problems > and confusion in the Android world than iOS 6. At least, for the iOS user, > upgrades are universal, users as far back as the 3GS can still use current > software and you don't have to worry about malware and other security > exploits, unless you go the JB route. > > In any event, as I said, opinion and generalizations on a public list > always lead to topics becoming larger than life. For every person who makes > the claim accessibility is decreasing in iOS, I can find 3 others who will > counter that assertion. > > > > > Take Care > > John D. Panarese > Director > Mac for the Blind > Tel, (631) 724-4479 > Email, j...@macfortheblind.com > Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com > > APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION > > AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE > > MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > > > > On Feb 16, 2013, at 11:02 AM, Alex Hall wrote: > >> I did say "not as easy to use at first", not "not as easy to use period". >> The new layout is completely useable once you get used to it. No >> accessibility should not play second fiddle to visual appeal, but, as I >> said, if a visual change can still remain accessible, then Apple should make >> that change if they feel they need to. Different is not inaccessible, it is >> merely different and we must find a new best way of using it since the old >> way
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Re: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment!
Cheree Heppe here: Did money concerns spur the implementation of accessible IOS? If not, what, then? What has changed between then and now? The money haasn't. Think about outcomes and shifting power bases. Would you want to engineer breaches, stumbles to return consumers to specialized tech that employs the specialists who truly have blindness so well understood? So the tech costs a thousand times more -- and doesn't work as well as the mainstream. I have experienced good tech and like it that way. Would a little U-Tube demo video prove instructive? Regards, Cheree Heppe Sent from my IPhone 4S On 16/02/2013, at 9:05, Richard Ring wrote: John has pretty much expressed my feelings here. I've used Android with Talkback, and to me, it's not ready for prime time. I say that only because I know some Android users who say that the reason for my point of view regarding Android stems from the fact that I don't know what I'm doing. Now, to the topic. I have used the app store, and I have always been able to accomplish what I wanted to. The same with the iBook store. My definition of accessibility is simple. If I can use it it's accessible. If I can't it's not. Iam still amazed that I can use a touch screen at all, and Apple made this possible. We are a small minority, like a drop of water in the Pacific ocean. Certainly, we should never be afraid to criticize any company, but we should also realize that in the vast scheme of things, where money is all, we don't matter all that much! You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding Sent from my Mac Book Pro richr...@gmail.com On Feb 16, 2013, at 10:26 AM, John Panarese wrote: >this entire topic, as usual, is coming back to the subjective in nature. > What one considers accessible or not differs from another person. I think to > make a statement that accessibility is going backwards in iOS is strictly a > subjective position based on personal opinion and no real facts. For every > point one can make claiming things are getting worse, someone else can come > along to disprove that point or make additional points that counter that > argument entirely. > >Apple is not perfect. Bugs exist and will continue to exist. That is the > nature of software. Sometimes, old bugs return. Anyone who has been around > the generation and evolution of software products surely understands this > reality. Things get broken. Things then get fixed. Then, they can be broken > again because working on one part of the code effects another and the > engineers don't necessary see that until the software is being used on a > wider scale. > > As someone who trains users on iDevices, I can tell you that a lot of the > assumed issues with devices often comes down to basic user error. In no way > am I meaning to be insulting or assuming with this statement either. I am > far from perfect and would never claim otherwise. From experience, though, > something as simple as the way one holds the phone to use it can lead to > problems with table indexes or locating buttons and such because of finger > placement or the angle the device is being operated. People will sometimes > tell me that controls move around the screen or double taps aren't working or > sliders are not changing only to learn that they are creating the issues > because they are not holding the phone steady or do not realize they shift > finger placement or allow extra fingers to brush the edges of the screen. > > I have become so aware of the little things as a trainer that it has made > me a much better user simply because I have to help those who are having > issues. The App store and iBooks store, for example, are a much nicer and > more accessible version now. I find it much easier to teach users how to > deal with either store now. As long as you understand the general layout of > the screens and know where you are, there are no accessibility problems. > >To me, I keep it all in perspective. There is an old expression about the > grass seeming greener on the other side of the fence. Android is no picnic, > and this goes well beyond general accessibility. There are far more problems > and confusion in the Android world than iOS 6. At least, for the iOS user, > upgrades are universal, users as far back as the 3GS can still use current > software and you don't have to worry about malware and other security > exploits, unless you go the JB route. > > In any event, as I said, opinion and generalizations on a public list > always lead to topics becoming larger than life. For every person who makes > the claim accessibility is decreasing in iOS, I can find 3 others who will > counter that assertion. > > > > > Take Care > > John D. Panarese > Director > Mac for the Blind > Tel, (631) 724-4479 > Email, j...@macfortheblind.com > Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com > > APPLE CERTIFIED S
Re: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment!
It is interesting to me the way this post has turned. I wanted peoples opinions and ideas what you thought. I by no means insinuated Apple had made iOS inaccessible. Of course, they have made some changes I don't live. Their are some areas I don't think are as fluid or as responsive as they once were. I certainly am not expecting Apple to design their products for the blind community. I use this platform so I can be like everyone else. If I wanted to isolate myself I would use a product that was just designed for us. What I was trying to say in my initial post, Does anyone else feel in areas Apple is getting careless. Of course I agree with John, their will always be issues and bugs that comes with new software and hardware. I guess what I was trying to get at. Don't release a product until you know its ready for prime -time. I would much prefer waiting for a quality product, than a rushed job. So this post didn't go exactly the way I thought, but I wanted feedback. Like I said in my initial post, hopefully some things will change under Jony Ive. Thanks for your ideas! j. p. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment!
Quite honestly, as I said and will continue to say, I think Apple should be commended on their efforts. It's not perfect what what is. Some people just have too much time on their hands and all they want to do is bash people and businesses. Frankly, I think those should be ashamed. I'm not saying I'm not guilty of it myself from time to time, so don't even go there, folks, but I only complain when it's truely warranted. Chris. Chris Gilland Founder of CLG Productions http://www.clgproductions.com Phone: 803-760-7136 Toll-free: 1-888-405-3185 Mon-Fri 8A.M-5P.M Eastern Standard Time except weekends and holidays E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com On Feb 16, 2013, at 12:31 PM, "J.P." wrote: > It is interesting to me the way this post has turned. I wanted peoples > opinions and ideas what you thought. I by no means insinuated Apple had made > iOS inaccessible. Of course, they have made some changes I don't live. Their > are some areas I don't think are as fluid or as responsive as they once were. > I certainly am not expecting Apple to design their products for the blind > community. I use this platform so I can be like everyone else. If I wanted to > isolate myself I would use a product that was just designed for us. What I > was trying to say in my initial post, Does anyone else feel in areas Apple is > getting careless. Of course I agree with John, their will always be issues > and bugs that comes with new software and hardware. I guess what I was trying > to get at. Don't release a product until you know its ready for prime -time. > I would much prefer waiting for a quality product, than a rushed job. So this > post didn't go exactly the way I thought, but I wanted feedback. Like I said > in my initial post, hopefully some things will change under Jony Ive. Thanks > for your ideas! > j. p. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment!
Hi, You lost me here. Are you saying that IOS accessibility has degraded to the point where blind specific solutions are preferred by you? I'm just not sure were you were going with your comment. Thanks. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Feb 16, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Cheree Heppe wrote: > Cheree Heppe here: > Did money concerns spur the implementation of accessible IOS? If not, what, > then? What has changed between then and now? The money haasn't. Think > about outcomes and shifting power bases. Would you want to engineer > breaches, stumbles to return consumers to specialized tech that employs the > specialists who truly have blindness so well understood? So the tech costs a > thousand times more -- and doesn't work as well as the mainstream. I have > experienced good tech and like it that way. > Would a little U-Tube demo video prove instructive? > > Regards, > Cheree Heppe > > > Sent from my IPhone 4S > > On 16/02/2013, at 9:05, Richard Ring wrote: > > John has pretty much expressed my feelings here. I've used Android with > Talkback, and to me, it's not ready for prime time. I say that only because I > know some Android users who say that the reason for my point of view > regarding Android stems from the fact that I don't know what I'm doing. Now, > to the topic. I have used the app store, and I have always been able to > accomplish what I wanted to. The same with the iBook store. My definition of > accessibility is simple. If I can use it it's accessible. If I can't it's > not. Iam still amazed that I can use a touch screen at all, and Apple made > this possible. > We are a small minority, like a drop of water in the Pacific ocean. > Certainly, we should never be afraid to criticize any company, but we should > also realize that in the vast scheme of things, where money is all, we don't > matter all that much! > You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding > Sent from my Mac Book Pro > richr...@gmail.com > > On Feb 16, 2013, at 10:26 AM, John Panarese wrote: > >> this entire topic, as usual, is coming back to the subjective in nature. >> What one considers accessible or not differs from another person. I think >> to make a statement that accessibility is going backwards in iOS is strictly >> a subjective position based on personal opinion and no real facts. For >> every point one can make claiming things are getting worse, someone else can >> come along to disprove that point or make additional points that counter >> that argument entirely. >> >> Apple is not perfect. Bugs exist and will continue to exist. That is the >> nature of software. Sometimes, old bugs return. Anyone who has been around >> the generation and evolution of software products surely understands this >> reality. Things get broken. Things then get fixed. Then, they can be broken >> again because working on one part of the code effects another and the >> engineers don't necessary see that until the software is being used on a >> wider scale. >> >>As someone who trains users on iDevices, I can tell you that a lot of the >> assumed issues with devices often comes down to basic user error. In no way >> am I meaning to be insulting or assuming with this statement either. I am >> far from perfect and would never claim otherwise. From experience, though, >> something as simple as the way one holds the phone to use it can lead to >> problems with table indexes or locating buttons and such because of finger >> placement or the angle the device is being operated. People will sometimes >> tell me that controls move around the screen or double taps aren't working >> or sliders are not changing only to learn that they are creating the issues >> because they are not holding the phone steady or do not realize they shift >> finger placement or allow extra fingers to brush the edges of the screen. >> >>I have become so aware of the little things as a trainer that it has made >> me a much better user simply because I have to help those who are having >> issues. The App store and iBooks store, for example, are a much nicer and >> more accessible version now. I find it much easier to teach users how to >> deal with either store now. As long as you understand the general layout of >> the screens and know where you are, there are no accessibility problems. >> >> To me, I keep it all in perspective. There is an old expression about the >> grass seeming greener on the other side of the fence. Android is no picnic, >> and this goes well beyond general accessibility. There are far more >> problems and confusion in the Android world than iOS 6. At least, for the >> iOS user, upgrades are universal, users as far back as the 3GS can still use >> current software and you don't have to worry about malware and other >> security exploits, unless you go the JB rou
Re: Do not download new slacker radio update
Hi Matthew, Having spoken to them the day the app launched, they say they have received numerous complaints about numerous bugs, some dealing with accessibility some not. If you by chance have an older version of the app sync to your computer, you can put that version back on your phone, it will work. They are passing any complaints they get to their developers. Please feel free to call them at 858-943-5000 or email their support page. Pam Francis On Feb 16, 2013, at 10:10 AM, matthew Dyer wrote: Hi, I do n0ot have an ipad. Thanks. I really do hope they will fix the accessibility of the iphone app. Matthew On Feb 15, 2013, at 10:25 PM, ppowell...@aol.com wrote: > Hi Jessica To my knowledge, you get six skips per hour. I'm not sure if that > is per station. Also, to Matthew, Look for I believe it is create a > station/playlist in the main navigation pain on the left hand side of the > iPad app. I'll help however I can. It's very intuitive. very easy. > > Pam Francis > > On Feb 15, 2013, at 7:42 PM, Jessica Moss wrote: > > How many skips do you get with a free acount? I've never exhausted mne, as > opposed to spotify/IHeart radio, but have been really careful not to do that > though, and really like their selections compared to spotify, and the fact > that you can ban a certain song without having to ban the whole artist. > > On Feb 15, 2013, at 10:44 AM, matthew Dyer wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I have an account will think about upgrading. Apparently you can get >> unlimited skipping. I am still trying to figure out how to create a new >> station. Thabnks. >> >> >> Matthew >> >> >> On Feb 14, 2013, at 7:26 PM, ppowell...@aol.com wrote: >> >>> Hi Matthew, >>> There are two tiers Of slacker subscriptions. >>> The plus subscription, $3.99 per month. The premium subscription is $9.95 >>> per month. The premium subscription, allows you to play albums/songs on >>> demand, create and save your own stations With more control over what >>> artists are on them. I believe on all levels you have access to ESPN radio, >>> and ABC news. Go to www.slacker.com and check it out. If I have given the >>> site in error, Google, slacker radio. >>> >>> Pam Francis >>> >>> On Feb 14, 2013, at 4:57 PM, matthew Dyer >>> wrote: >>> >>> How much is a subscribsion to slacker radio? I just screated an account >>> but with the app not sure how to listen to an aboum or what have you. I >>> did play around with the nnew version and ho[pe they can get it fixed soon. >>> >>> Matthew >>> >>> >>> On Feb 14, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Carlene Knight wrote: >>> My husband who is cited says the layout looks nicer and it is easier to use. I'm assuming you don't have to go into the menu to do different things but it sure messes it up for us. Sent from my iPad On Feb 14, 2013, at 10:14 AM, ppowell...@aol.com wrote: > Yes, with a slacker subscription, you can cash content to your device. > Also, premium subscribers can listen to a given album on demand if it is > within their library. Some stations play songs that are not downloadable > due to the rights having expired. However one can still add them to a > favorite songs station and replay them. The iPad app still works. > > Pam Francis > > On Feb 14, 2013, at 7:56 AM, Christine Grassman > wrote: > > I am deeply disappointed about this update. I love Slacker, and do have a > subscription. I canceled my Pandora subscription, in fact, and switched > to Slacker, mostly because I like that I can skip songs if I like without > a limit. With the subscription I have, you can cache content on the phone. > Christine > On Feb 14, 2013, at 8:53 AM, Jessica Moss > wrote: > >> Oh wow, thanx for the info there, I had no idea there even was an >> update. I love their service, but don't have a premium subscription. >> What's the advantage to that aside from being able to listen to a >> station simply by 1 artist? I picked out a station for Hannah to listen >> to 1 night, and next thing I knew, after about possibly 20 minuttes or >> so, I got an alert message telling me "station exhaustion," which I'd >> never gotten before, so I thought that was interesting, but that's the >> only issue I have with it; otherwise, I love it. >> On Feb 14, 2013, at 1:51 AM, ppowell...@aol.com wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> I too am a slacker subscriber. I pay for the premium membership. And >>> definitely not a fan of the new layout. It would not take much to make >>> all of their buttons work. I will never understand why the vendor of a >>> subscription app feels the need to totally rearrange the layout. In my >>> opinion, if it isn't broke, don't fix it. I have found through their >>> support Email system, one gets very little response. I eventually >>> found them
Re: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment!
Hi, Generally, I agree with you. I think for the most part, Apple does what you said better than most in regards to not releasing a product until its ready for prime time. But that being said, I think we might have an issue here where Apple might be falling victim to its own success. Not just in regards to accessibility but, overall. Android has come along way, and I don't think Apple has the luxury of time that they once did. But with all that being said, remember when the iPhone 4S was released? People were questioning why the handset was put out 16 months after the iPhone 4. In smart phone years, thats a really long time. I honestly just think its having to live up to the incredible streak of successes Apple has had since the mid 2000s to recent. >From a strictly accessibility point of view, I'm honestly not seeing a step >back. It might be static, but I think most would be pretty content with how >accessibility on the IOS platform is right now. Now, Voiceover on the Mac is another story. I hope in the next major release, the Apple accessibility spends less time on new features, and make the new ones introduced in 10.7 and 10.8 better. In my opinion, some of the stability I love about Mac OS has been lost in the last 2 versions. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Feb 16, 2013, at 12:31 PM, "J.P." wrote: > It is interesting to me the way this post has turned. I wanted peoples > opinions and ideas what you thought. I by no means insinuated Apple had made > iOS inaccessible. Of course, they have made some changes I don't live. Their > are some areas I don't think are as fluid or as responsive as they once were. > I certainly am not expecting Apple to design their products for the blind > community. I use this platform so I can be like everyone else. If I wanted to > isolate myself I would use a product that was just designed for us. What I > was trying to say in my initial post, Does anyone else feel in areas Apple is > getting careless. Of course I agree with John, their will always be issues > and bugs that comes with new software and hardware. I guess what I was trying > to get at. Don't release a product until you know its ready for prime -time. > I would much prefer waiting for a quality product, than a rushed job. So this > post didn't go exactly the way I thought, but I wanted feedback. Like I said > in my initial post, hopefully some things will change under Jony Ive. Thanks > for your ideas! > j. p. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Messages
Hi, Messages is for Lion and higher. hth Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Feb 16, 2013, at 12:08 PM, Jane wrote: > Is there any way to get Messages set up on my daughter's iMac running Snow > Leopard, or is that just not supported anymoree? > > Jane > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment!
I don't either, but then, I'm still relatively new and don't really know how it used to be. On 2013-02-16, at 7:10 AM, Devin Prater wrote: > II do get what you mean here. although I do not see how the apps store is not > accessible. > > Sent from my iPod > > On 16/02/2013, at 8:56 AM, Cheree Heppe wrote: > >> Cheree Heppe here: >> This fascinates me. Whenever a change in accessibility is made that impairs >> us, somebody always apologizes for us by saying that we have to make >> allowances for the visuals among us. Does that strike anyone as backward >> thinking? >> >> Hanging accessibility on the visual appeal perceptions of a blind observer >> implies that we as blind people have no idea of what is easy to use or what >> is useful. Universal design does not mean me firster design, unless I'm >> seriously misunderstanding the intent of the English language. >> >> The previous iteration worked. This iteration is convoluted and restrictive. >> >> Earlier, Apple made the choice to ignor accessibility and ended up losing >> the contract for the State of New York's schools because their newest >> version of accessibility had narrowed the access so badly that those needing >> the access couldn't use it and the Windows camp took precedence. >> >> I would hate to think that sort of slippage is re-asserting itself. >> >> My srance: The current iteration of IOS it flawed and moving farther into >> that area. My thinking is that somebody in Apple is embarrassed to be >> compared to a charity group pandoring to the disabled and, why don't the >> Apple people realize that they have a normal public to satisfy, etc. >> >> Well, the fact remains that anyone has the potential to require disability >> features. An accident, a careless inattention by our fellow man and we have >> the accessibility paradigm staring us in the face. There are always those >> pesky wars, where whole people come back with less than they left with. >> >> Accessibility features aid everyone. There should not be a stigma in how >> accessibility is introduced into a product. If there is doubt, the >> accessibility tab in the IOS devices is way at the bottom of the list of >> other modalities,. Accessibility should be intuitive and simple, so that >> somebody newly faced with issues that already cloud their emothins and >> judgment can just reach out and keep going with a slightly new form. >> >> The App Store isn't easy and isn't accessible. The IBooks store is iffy and >> tedious to navigate as a blind user now and it didn't act that way before >> the new IOS iteration. >> >> So, do I just return to paying my $75 or $50 fee and reading second hand >> through BookShare? >> >> Anybody out there listening? I hope so, because Apple made a gigantic >> stride toward equalizing the paying field. It must have really bothered a >> few and maybe there are influences geared to making this new, shiny equality >> a bit tarnished to turn those ungrateful blind types back toward those who >> really know best how to care for and govern them. >> >> >> Regards, >> Cheree Heppe >> >> >> >> Sent from my IPhone 4S >> >> On 16/02/2013, at 2:31, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >> Well said, Alex. >> Cheers, >> Donna >> On Feb 15, 2013, at 11:43 PM, Alex Hall wrote: >> >>> I agree. While I don't use the iBook Store much, I use the App Store all >>> the time. Once I got used to the new layout, I had no problems at all, and >>> still don't. Yes, I preferred the old layout, but one thing we have to >>> remember is that the iOS platform is geared toward being visually pleasing >>> and easy to use. Putting accessibility on that should not limit Apple. That >>> is, if it sells more devices and looks better to set things up the way they >>> have done in iOS6, and if that new interface can be made totally >>> accessible, then they have every right to make the change. Just because it >>> is different, or not as easy to use at first glance, does not make it >>> worse. For instance, one thing people forget to use in the new App Store is >>> heading navigation, which lets you flick between the app and the selected >>> information. You can also touch the left-most tab on the bottom, flick left >>> once, and there's your adjustable picker of search results. Does Apple make >>> mistakes? Yes, and plenty of them, but they sell millions of units and are >>> trying to please a huge range of users. Do they make interfaces that are >>> accessible but horrible to use? Yes (Garageband, for instance - you can use >>> it, but not efficiently). Overall, though, they do their best, they have an >>> amazing accessibility department, and, remember, Voiceover is still younger >>> than most of the screen readers out there, yet it can easily compete with >>> any of them. >>> On Feb 16, 2013, at 12:28 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>> Hi, I must say, I'm at a total loss about iBooks and the app store. These >>
app store?
May I inquire as to when ibooks and or the app store changed, please? On 2013-02-16, at 8:02 AM, Alex Hall wrote: > I did say "not as easy to use at first", not "not as easy to use period". The > new layout is completely useable once you get used to it. No accessibility > should not play second fiddle to visual appeal, but, as I said, if a visual > change can still remain accessible, then Apple should make that change if > they feel they need to. Different is not inaccessible, it is merely different > and we must find a new best way of using it since the old way no longer > works. Sometimes, of course, there is no efficient way, and that is when we > need to flood Apple with emails about the problem and, more helpfully, offer > suggestions as to what can be done. I'll grant that iBooks may now not be as > accessible, but again I have never used that program extensively so I could > not say. Still, change is not always equal to inaccessible. > On Feb 16, 2013, at 9:56 AM, Cheree Heppe wrote: > >> Cheree Heppe here: >> This fascinates me. Whenever a change in accessibility is made that impairs >> us, somebody always apologizes for us by saying that we have to make >> allowances for the visuals among us. Does that strike anyone as backward >> thinking? >> >> Hanging accessibility on the visual appeal perceptions of a blind observer >> implies that we as blind people have no idea of what is easy to use or what >> is useful. Universal design does not mean me firster design, unless I'm >> seriously misunderstanding the intent of the English language. >> >> The previous iteration worked. This iteration is convoluted and restrictive. >> >> Earlier, Apple made the choice to ignor accessibility and ended up losing >> the contract for the State of New York's schools because their newest >> version of accessibility had narrowed the access so badly that those needing >> the access couldn't use it and the Windows camp took precedence. >> >> I would hate to think that sort of slippage is re-asserting itself. >> >> My srance: The current iteration of IOS it flawed and moving farther into >> that area. My thinking is that somebody in Apple is embarrassed to be >> compared to a charity group pandoring to the disabled and, why don't the >> Apple people realize that they have a normal public to satisfy, etc. >> >> Well, the fact remains that anyone has the potential to require disability >> features. An accident, a careless inattention by our fellow man and we have >> the accessibility paradigm staring us in the face. There are always those >> pesky wars, where whole people come back with less than they left with. >> >> Accessibility features aid everyone. There should not be a stigma in how >> accessibility is introduced into a product. If there is doubt, the >> accessibility tab in the IOS devices is way at the bottom of the list of >> other modalities,. Accessibility should be intuitive and simple, so that >> somebody newly faced with issues that already cloud their emothins and >> judgment can just reach out and keep going with a slightly new form. >> >> The App Store isn't easy and isn't accessible. The IBooks store is iffy and >> tedious to navigate as a blind user now and it didn't act that way before >> the new IOS iteration. >> >> So, do I just return to paying my $75 or $50 fee and reading second hand >> through BookShare? >> >> Anybody out there listening? I hope so, because Apple made a gigantic >> stride toward equalizing the paying field. It must have really bothered a >> few and maybe there are influences geared to making this new, shiny equality >> a bit tarnished to turn those ungrateful blind types back toward those who >> really know best how to care for and govern them. >> >> >> Regards, >> Cheree Heppe >> >> >> >> Sent from my IPhone 4S >> >> On 16/02/2013, at 2:31, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >> Well said, Alex. >> Cheers, >> Donna >> On Feb 15, 2013, at 11:43 PM, Alex Hall wrote: >> >>> I agree. While I don't use the iBook Store much, I use the App Store all >>> the time. Once I got used to the new layout, I had no problems at all, and >>> still don't. Yes, I preferred the old layout, but one thing we have to >>> remember is that the iOS platform is geared toward being visually pleasing >>> and easy to use. Putting accessibility on that should not limit Apple. That >>> is, if it sells more devices and looks better to set things up the way they >>> have done in iOS6, and if that new interface can be made totally >>> accessible, then they have every right to make the change. Just because it >>> is different, or not as easy to use at first glance, does not make it >>> worse. For instance, one thing people forget to use in the new App Store is >>> heading navigation, which lets you flick between the app and the selected >>> information. You can also touch the left-most tab on the bottom, flick left >>> once, and there's your ad
Re: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment!-iBooks store & App Store
Cherree I have to agree with Ricardo and others. I'm not totally sure what you're talking about here, but I think you're getting to head up. I have to admit, I struggled to use the iBookstore for a long time, but that was just because I didn't give it the time to work it out. There are no problems, except that sometimes it jumps and stops reading and jumped off the page, but that is easy to solve the two or three fingers swipe usually does the trick. As for finding books that's easy, and yes you do have to double tap to find more information, but why is that a problem? Similar with the App Store, if you want more info you double tap on the heading, but why is that a problem, perhaps you have to go back a page to be able to access the results but so be it. It's still a lot more accessible than it was when iOS six first came out. It's still a lot more accessible than if we didn't have voice-over at all! I'm not saying Apple accessibility aren't without their issues, but as others have said, email their accessibility people. They are very helpful, and they try to make amends. Yes, I am very annoyed currently about the jumping in Safari which continues, and which I find on both my iPhone and iPad. I'm not sure who to report that too, as I'm not sure it'll accessibilityan thing, And I think it has been reported before, but still, I will report it and hope that in the next release it is updated and improved. I'm sorry to say, but you seem to be having a nonsensical rant about, well, nothing here… Kirsten Sent from my iPhone On 16 Feb 2013, at 14:56, Cheree Heppe wrote: > Cheree Heppe here: > This fascinates me. Whenever a change in accessibility is made that impairs > us, somebody always apologizes for us by saying that we have to make > allowances for the visuals among us. Does that strike anyone as backward > thinking? > > Hanging accessibility on the visual appeal perceptions of a blind observer > implies that we as blind people have no idea of what is easy to use or what > is useful. Universal design does not mean me firster design, unless I'm > seriously misunderstanding the intent of the English language. > > The previous iteration worked. This iteration is convoluted and restrictive. > > Earlier, Apple made the choice to ignor accessibility and ended up losing the > contract for the State of New York's schools because their newest version of > accessibility had narrowed the access so badly that those needing the access > couldn't use it and the Windows camp took precedence. > > I would hate to think that sort of slippage is re-asserting itself. > > My srance: The current iteration of IOS it flawed and moving farther into > that area. My thinking is that somebody in Apple is embarrassed to be > compared to a charity group pandoring to the disabled and, why don't the > Apple people realize that they have a normal public to satisfy, etc. > > Well, the fact remains that anyone has the potential to require disability > features. An accident, a careless inattention by our fellow man and we have > the accessibility paradigm staring us in the face. There are always those > pesky wars, where whole people come back with less than they left with. > > Accessibility features aid everyone. There should not be a stigma in how > accessibility is introduced into a product. If there is doubt, the > accessibility tab in the IOS devices is way at the bottom of the list of > other modalities,. Accessibility should be intuitive and simple, so that > somebody newly faced with issues that already cloud their emothins and > judgment can just reach out and keep going with a slightly new form. > > The App Store isn't easy and isn't accessible. The IBooks store is iffy and > tedious to navigate as a blind user now and it didn't act that way before -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
app store
I had similar issues to cherry but that was like you, m lacing patience lol. I find the app store/ibooks problem but then I never knew what it was previously. On 2013-02-16, at 10:53 AM, Kirsten Edmondson wrote: > Cherree I have to agree with Ricardo and others. I'm not totally sure what > you're talking about here, but I think you're getting to head up. I have to > admit, I struggled to use the iBookstore for a long time, but that was just > because I didn't give it the time to work it out. There are no problems, > except that sometimes it jumps and stops reading and jumped off the page, but > that is easy to solve the two or three fingers swipe usually does the trick. > As for finding books that's easy, and yes you do have to double tap to find > more information, but why is that a problem? Similar with the App Store, if > you want more info you double tap on the heading, but why is that a problem, > perhaps you have to go back a page to be able to access the results but so > be it. It's still a lot more accessible than it was when iOS six first came > out. It's still a lot more accessible than if we didn't have voice-over at > all! I'm not saying Apple accessibility aren't without their issues, but as > others have said, email their accessibility people. They are very helpful, > and they try to make amends. Yes, I am very annoyed currently about the > jumping in Safari which continues, and which I find on both my iPhone and > iPad. I'm not sure who to report that too, as I'm not sure it'll > accessibilityan thing, And I think it has been reported before, but still, I > will report it and hope that in the next release it is updated and improved. > I'm sorry to say, but you seem to be having a nonsensical rant about, well, > nothing here… > > Kirsten > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 16 Feb 2013, at 14:56, Cheree Heppe wrote: > >> Cheree Heppe here: >> This fascinates me. Whenever a change in accessibility is made that impairs >> us, somebody always apologizes for us by saying that we have to make >> allowances for the visuals among us. Does that strike anyone as backward >> thinking? >> >> Hanging accessibility on the visual appeal perceptions of a blind observer >> implies that we as blind people have no idea of what is easy to use or what >> is useful. Universal design does not mean me firster design, unless I'm >> seriously misunderstanding the intent of the English language. >> >> The previous iteration worked. This iteration is convoluted and restrictive. >> >> Earlier, Apple made the choice to ignor accessibility and ended up losing >> the contract for the State of New York's schools because their newest >> version of accessibility had narrowed the access so badly that those needing >> the access couldn't use it and the Windows camp took precedence. >> >> I would hate to think that sort of slippage is re-asserting itself. >> >> My srance: The current iteration of IOS it flawed and moving farther into >> that area. My thinking is that somebody in Apple is embarrassed to be >> compared to a charity group pandoring to the disabled and, why don't the >> Apple people realize that they have a normal public to satisfy, etc. >> >> Well, the fact remains that anyone has the potential to require disability >> features. An accident, a careless inattention by our fellow man and we have >> the accessibility paradigm staring us in the face. There are always those >> pesky wars, where whole people come back with less than they left with. >> >> Accessibility features aid everyone. There should not be a stigma in how >> accessibility is introduced into a product. If there is doubt, the >> accessibility tab in the IOS devices is way at the bottom of the list of >> other modalities,. Accessibility should be intuitive and simple, so that >> somebody newly faced with issues that already cloud their emothins and >> judgment can just reach out and keep going with a slightly new form. >> >> The App Store isn't easy and isn't accessible. The IBooks store is iffy and >> tedious to navigate as a blind user now and it didn't act that way before > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisio
app store
There was a total update to the look of the iTunes, app, and iBooks for iOS 6. I preferred the old layout myself. However, that doesn't mean they made it inaccessible. Just personal preference. They used to do things in a vertical view.. There are more links to interact with on the page now. Since their is more information on a page now. It loads slower. I think it lags a little now. But by no means inaccessible. j. p. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: New episode, activator, can your smartphone really be smart?
Good afternoon; I do apologize, I'm not sure why individuals are unable to play this audio. I am able to play up from both my Mac, and my iPhone. However, I have went ahead and taken the liberty of posting the direct URL to the audio file below. Let me know if you guys have any issues with this file, or if it doesn't work. One thing to check, see if Safari is set to automatically download these file types, because the podcast may have downloaded to your downloads folder. I believe the name of the product test is new project with a number after it. Therefore, check Laras well. Again however, here is the direct audio link: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/6285342/New%20Project%205.m4a Sincerely; Michael Note: this message likely dictated, however not proofread on my iPhone. Check us out online: Sent from my iPhone On Feb 16, 2013, at 4:15 AM, jeffry miller wrote: > It doesn't seem to play. > > -- > Jeff > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Rhapsody on the Mac
I am having some difficulty with the Rhapsody web site. Until recently, I was able to click on the play button to listen to my chosen selection. It appears that the play link does not correspond with the actual play button. Is there any way around this? I am aware that Rhapsody on IOS is fully accessible. Stuart -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Rhapsody on the Mac
Hi, have you tried a physical click with a trackpad or mouse after making sure the mouse cursor is on the button? Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Feb 16, 2013, at 2:13 PM, Stuart Russell wrote: > I am having some difficulty with the Rhapsody web site. Until recently, I > was able to click on the play button to listen to my chosen selection. > It appears that the play link does not correspond with the actual play > button. Is there any way around this? > I am aware that Rhapsody on IOS is fully accessible. > > Stuart > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Rhapsody on the Mac
My biggest concern is I use wrapsody on a daily basis nearly with my Windows machine. I don't want to download the I O S app, and have happen to me what happened with Napster before Real Networks bought them out. Basically it automatically switched me to a mobile plan, recharged my card without telling me, and made it where I then couldn't use the windows client any longer. I'm not about to chance that! If someone is using the actual Rhapsody player either in a VM, or in an actual Windows environment along the side of using it on I O S, then let me know and maybe then we'll talk. Until then, I'm not chancing this though. I need the ability to be able to download the tracks to my system locally as the protected .w m A files which I can play locally on that one computer when offline. Chris Gilland Founder of CLG Productions http://www.clgproductions.com Phone: 803-760-7136 Toll-free: 1-888-405-3185 Mon-Fri 8A.M-5P.M Eastern Standard Time except weekends and holidays E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com On Feb 16, 2013, at 2:13 PM, Stuart Russell wrote: > I am having some difficulty with the Rhapsody web site. Until recently, I > was able to click on the play button to listen to my chosen selection. > It appears that the play link does not correspond with the actual play > button. Is there any way around this? > I am aware that Rhapsody on IOS is fully accessible. > > Stuart > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Rhapsody on the Mac
I've tried a mouse click on the play button & that doesn't seem to work. My guess is that the actual play button is in a different location on the screen? You can probably test this without setting up an account as Rhapsody has a trial mode. I'd sure like to find a trick to get this working again. Stuart On Feb 16, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Hi, > > have you tried a physical click with a trackpad or mouse after making sure > the mouse cursor is on the button? > > Ricardo Walker > rica...@appletothecore.info > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > > On Feb 16, 2013, at 2:13 PM, Stuart Russell wrote: > >> I am having some difficulty with the Rhapsody web site. Until recently, I >> was able to click on the play button to listen to my chosen selection. >> It appears that the play link does not correspond with the actual play >> button. Is there any way around this? >> I am aware that Rhapsody on IOS is fully accessible. >> >> Stuart >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Rhapsody on the Mac
Chris, I don't think you need worry about this as there is no Rhapsody app for the Mac. Everything is done right from the web site. Stuart On Feb 16, 2013, at 12:42 PM, Stuart Russell wrote: > I've tried a mouse click on the play button & that doesn't > seem to work. > My guess is that the actual play button is in a different location on the > screen? > You can probably test this without setting up an account as Rhapsody has a > trial mode. > I'd sure like to find a trick to get this working again. > > Stuart > > > On Feb 16, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> have you tried a physical click with a trackpad or mouse after making sure >> the mouse cursor is on the button? >> >> Ricardo Walker >> rica...@appletothecore.info >> Twitter:@apple2thecore >> www.appletothecore.info >> >> On Feb 16, 2013, at 2:13 PM, Stuart Russell wrote: >> >>> I am having some difficulty with the Rhapsody web site. Until recently, I >>> was able to click on the play button to listen to my chosen selection. >>> It appears that the play link does not correspond with the actual play >>> button. Is there any way around this? >>> I am aware that Rhapsody on IOS is fully accessible. >>> >>> Stuart >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Rhapsody on the Mac
I understand, but you missed my point. I'm not trying to do Rhapsody on the mac. I do it on my Windows machine. The thing is I don't want them to opt me out of my unlimited download plan and op me into a mobile plan which wouldn't let me download the tracks with the windows client any longer. that's exactly what happened back in the days with Napster, before they became Rhapsody. I got the I O S app, and without even first telling me, they not only changed my plan, and charged my card, but then told me they couldn't revert me back. Something to do with quote: system implementations. I was like, FTS! Chris Gilland Founder of CLG Productions http://www.clgproductions.com Phone: 803-760-7136 Toll-free: 1-888-405-3185 Mon-Fri 8A.M-5P.M Eastern Standard Time except weekends and holidays E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com On Feb 16, 2013, at 3:46 PM, Stuart Russell wrote: > Chris, I don't think you need worry about this as there is no Rhapsody app > for the Mac. Everything is done right from the web site. > > Stuart > > > On Feb 16, 2013, at 12:42 PM, Stuart Russell wrote: > >> I've tried a mouse click on the play button & that doesn't >> seem to work. >> My guess is that the actual play button is in a different location on the >> screen? >> You can probably test this without setting up an account as Rhapsody has a >> trial mode. >> I'd sure like to find a trick to get this working again. >> >> Stuart >> >> >> On Feb 16, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> have you tried a physical click with a trackpad or mouse after making sure >>> the mouse cursor is on the button? >>> >>> Ricardo Walker >>> rica...@appletothecore.info >>> Twitter:@apple2thecore >>> www.appletothecore.info >>> >>> On Feb 16, 2013, at 2:13 PM, Stuart Russell wrote: >>> I am having some difficulty with the Rhapsody web site. Until recently, I was able to click on the play button to listen to my chosen selection. It appears that the play link does not correspond with the actual play button. Is there any way around this? I am aware that Rhapsody on IOS is fully accessible. Stuart -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: HELP! Mac crashed
hi, this happen to me, but luckily it was only that I was put in a guest account, hopefully that is all it is, good luck - Original Message - From: Sarai Bucciarelli To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 8:51 PM Subject: HELP! Mac crashed Help! I rebooted my MBP running ML. It looks like a brand new Mac that has been wiped. All folders are empty, VO is back to defaults. I am still in my user account, and it is not locked. When I check the disk space on my disk, it shows about 200GB free, and the disk is 500 GB. Based on this observation, I know it is not empty. It is not locked, I'm still the only account, it is an admin account. If I go to applications, I see all my installed apps there. If iI go to my computer, choose my user name, it shows my folders such as documents and desktop, but says I do not have permition to read or write. I even get that same error if I stay in applications to long. I tried to access preferences, and it looks empty, but I cannot stay there long b/c of cannot read or right permisions error. I've tried rebooting, rebooting in recovery mode and repairing permitions and repairing disk. I've tried logging off and back on my account. I'm stuck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8018 (20130216) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment!
Hi Richard, I completely agree and second everything you've written. In my current work environment, I have to use Windows for most of what I do. At least once a day, usually more, I think how grateful I am for the accessibility of Apple products, and for the fact that once I leave my job, I get to go back to my Mac and my I-devices. Are Apple products perfect. No. but nothing is perfect, and apple is far ahead of the competition. Cheers, Donna On Feb 16, 2013, at 11:05 AM, Richard Ring wrote: > John has pretty much expressed my feelings here. I've used Android with > Talkback, and to me, it's not ready for prime time. I say that only because I > know some Android users who say that the reason for my point of view > regarding Android stems from the fact that I don't know what I'm doing. Now, > to the topic. I have used the app store, and I have always been able to > accomplish what I wanted to. The same with the iBook store. My definition of > accessibility is simple. If I can use it it's accessible. If I can't it's > not. Iam still amazed that I can use a touch screen at all, and Apple made > this possible. > We are a small minority, like a drop of water in the Pacific ocean. > Certainly, we should never be afraid to criticize any company, but we should > also realize that in the vast scheme of things, where money is all, we don't > matter all that much! > You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding > Sent from my Mac Book Pro > richr...@gmail.com > > On Feb 16, 2013, at 10:26 AM, John Panarese wrote: > >>this entire topic, as usual, is coming back to the subjective in nature. >> What one considers accessible or not differs from another person. I think >> to make a statement that accessibility is going backwards in iOS is strictly >> a subjective position based on personal opinion and no real facts. For >> every point one can make claiming things are getting worse, someone else can >> come along to disprove that point or make additional points that counter >> that argument entirely. >> >>Apple is not perfect. Bugs exist and will continue to exist. That is >> the nature of software. Sometimes, old bugs return. Anyone who has been >> around the generation and evolution of software products surely understands >> this reality. Things get broken. Things then get fixed. Then, they can be >> broken again because working on one part of the code effects another and the >> engineers don't necessary see that until the software is being used on a >> wider scale. >> >> As someone who trains users on iDevices, I can tell you that a lot of >> the assumed issues with devices often comes down to basic user error. In no >> way am I meaning to be insulting or assuming with this statement either. I >> am far from perfect and would never claim otherwise. From experience, >> though, something as simple as the way one holds the phone to use it can >> lead to problems with table indexes or locating buttons and such because of >> finger placement or the angle the device is being operated. People will >> sometimes tell me that controls move around the screen or double taps aren't >> working or sliders are not changing only to learn that they are creating the >> issues because they are not holding the phone steady or do not realize they >> shift finger placement or allow extra fingers to brush the edges of the >> screen. >> >> I have become so aware of the little things as a trainer that it has >> made me a much better user simply because I have to help those who are >> having issues. The App store and iBooks store, for example, are a much >> nicer and more accessible version now. I find it much easier to teach users >> how to deal with either store now. As long as you understand the general >> layout of the screens and know where you are, there are no accessibility >> problems. >> >>To me, I keep it all in perspective. There is an old expression about >> the grass seeming greener on the other side of the fence. Android is no >> picnic, and this goes well beyond general accessibility. There are far more >> problems and confusion in the Android world than iOS 6. At least, for the >> iOS user, upgrades are universal, users as far back as the 3GS can still use >> current software and you don't have to worry about malware and other >> security exploits, unless you go the JB route. >> >> In any event, as I said, opinion and generalizations on a public list >> always lead to topics becoming larger than life. For every person who makes >> the claim accessibility is decreasing in iOS, I can find 3 others who will >> counter that assertion. >> >> >> >> >> Take Care >> >> John D. Panarese >> Director >> Mac for the Blind >> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com >> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com >> >> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION >> >> AU
Re: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment!
The App Store has perhaps become a little less efficient but at least on the iPhone is anything but unusable. You can touch the bottom right of the screen or even 1 finger swipe or touch the dock and 4 finger tap and then 1 finger swipe through all apps. Where exactly do you find it unusable? Danny. Sent from my iPhone On 16/02/2013, at 2:57 PM, Cheree Heppe wrote: > Cheree Heppe here: > > No need to make excuses for Apple. The IBooks store and the App Store have > become significantly less accessible with the changing IOS versions. This > doesn't have to happen and is a bad sign. In IBooks, there are horizontal > rows of titles and at either end of those rows oone encounters a slider or > something that when barely touched will shift the titles listings so that a > blind user has a hell of a time determining what the list actually contains. > > The same slider in the contacts list on the IPhone works well because it > somehow paces itself with the user's scrolling finger and is very usable. > > The App Store has these screen shots and a tiny place to flick up or whatever > that in using the I-devices since 2010, I have not been able to master. The > earlier iteration of the app store's accessibility worked so well that it was > easy to read about the apps, move through a list and so on. I have barely > used either the app store or IBooks store since these limitations became part > of the IOS. > > These changes make it nearly impossible for a new blind user to get a > confident sense of the potential for independent access that we got only a > few IOS upgrades ago. This would be very off putting to me if I had acquired > my I-device recently. > > Apple does not have to model its screen reader and access after the seriously > broken JAWS example. I use JAWS at work and have never experienced a > computer program so poorly equipped to do a job. > > > Regards, > Cheree Heppe > > > Sent from my IPhone 4S > > On 15/02/2013, at 15:50, "Blake Sinnett" wrote: > > Hello, > > I would have to agree. Apple has lost some of their magic ever since the > middle of last year. Things just seem to be breaking a little too often. > iCloud, bugs in iOS 6, the maps fiasco... Who knows what'll happen next. Of > course Tim's just taken over, so maybe after a while things'll smooth out. > The only thing we can do is wait and see what happens. > > Blake > > -- > From: > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:42 AM > To: > Subject: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment! > >> OT: iOS 6 disappointment! >> >> Is anyone else feeling a little sad about the iOS eco-system since release >> in October. Don't get me wrong, there will always be issues. However Apple >> has had so many issues. >> First, you had the complete redesign of iBooks, App, iTunes store. In the >> first release the blind community lost a lot of access, because we didn't >> even have the ability to see ratings with the new software. >> Second, you had the App store crashing when you would go into the search >> area. This happened to everyone, not just our community. >> thirdly, who can forget the map debacle. >> You have devices going into recovery mode when you do a reset. >> The 6. 1 update you now have exchange issue. The extreme 4s battery issue, >> and now this morning people who use institutional accounts like at schools. >> Individuals can bypass the no downloading option. >> I just find this so sad. apple used to pay such close attention to >> stability, clean UI, and of course accessibility. I still love my Apple >> products, and hope things change under Jony Ive. Is anyone else feeling >> slightly let down? This is just a short list, I know you could point out >> more. I just pointed out a few which never should have happened! >> >> J.P. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to mac
Re: WOO HOO!
ok, it seems that there is a technical glitch with my macbook. every time I try to pair the Braille Sense U2 with my macbook (OS X Lion) it fails to pair. the error that it spits up is "unable to locate a proper driver for this device. Pairing failed" I have checked with the apple knowledge base and the procedure is the correct one. I have sent an email to hims-inc and also called their tech support dept. I have yet to get a response and the apple knowledge base has no solutions for this particular problem. -eric On Feb 13, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Alex Hall wrote: > The commands are online; google "common braille commands for iOS" to find the > Apple article on it. As to the mac, the process is indeed similar. Go to the > vo utility (vo-f8, with the function key if your settings require it) and go > to braille in the categories table. Hit the add button, and the process is > pretty timple from there. I haven't done it in a long time or I'd offer you > better steps, but let us know if you can't get things set up and someone can > help further. > On Feb 13, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: > >> I just managed to get my Braille Sense U2 to interface with my iPhone! now I >> just have to figure out how to control most of the functions on said phone. >> this will certainly make reading messages and responding to them a lot >> easier. >> >> if I keep up my current rate, I should be able to complete learning grade II >> Braille. All that will be needed after that is practice, lots of practice. >> >> now, all I have to figure out is how to get that Braille Sense to interface >> with my macbook. I am guessing the method to do this is similar to that for >> the iPhone. >> >> -eric >> (student at the colorado center for the blind) >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > > > > Have a great day, > Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) > mehg...@gmail.com > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: WOO HOO!
I think this may be Lion thing. I could be wrong but I seem to remember some Braille Sense problems in Lion that Mountain Lion fixed. Again, I could be wrong; if possible, see if it works on a 10.8 machine. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 16, 2013, at 19:12, Eric Oyen wrote: > ok, > it seems that there is a technical glitch with my macbook. every time I try > to pair the Braille Sense U2 with my macbook (OS X Lion) it fails to pair. > the error that it spits up is "unable to locate a proper driver for this > device. Pairing failed" > > I have checked with the apple knowledge base and the procedure is the correct > one. I have sent an email to hims-inc and also called their tech support > dept. I have yet to get a response and the apple knowledge base has no > solutions for this particular problem. > > -eric > > On Feb 13, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Alex Hall wrote: > >> The commands are online; google "common braille commands for iOS" to find >> the Apple article on it. As to the mac, the process is indeed similar. Go to >> the vo utility (vo-f8, with the function key if your settings require it) >> and go to braille in the categories table. Hit the add button, and the >> process is pretty timple from there. I haven't done it in a long time or I'd >> offer you better steps, but let us know if you can't get things set up and >> someone can help further. >> On Feb 13, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: >> >>> I just managed to get my Braille Sense U2 to interface with my iPhone! now >>> I just have to figure out how to control most of the functions on said >>> phone. this will certainly make reading messages and responding to them a >>> lot easier. >>> >>> if I keep up my current rate, I should be able to complete learning grade >>> II Braille. All that will be needed after that is practice, lots of >>> practice. >>> >>> now, all I have to figure out is how to get that Braille Sense to interface >>> with my macbook. I am guessing the method to do this is similar to that for >>> the iPhone. >>> >>> -eric >>> (student at the colorado center for the blind) >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> >> Have a great day, >> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) >> mehg...@gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: WOO HOO!
Eric, Are you using the 7.0 update on your braille sense? There was a problem with earlier versions but I'm presuming you are. It's worth ruling out. Lisette On 17/02/2013, at 1:12 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: > ok, > it seems that there is a technical glitch with my macbook. every time I try > to pair the Braille Sense U2 with my macbook (OS X Lion) it fails to pair. > the error that it spits up is "unable to locate a proper driver for this > device. Pairing failed" > > I have checked with the apple knowledge base and the procedure is the correct > one. I have sent an email to hims-inc and also called their tech support > dept. I have yet to get a response and the apple knowledge base has no > solutions for this particular problem. > > -eric > > On Feb 13, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Alex Hall wrote: > >> The commands are online; google "common braille commands for iOS" to find >> the Apple article on it. As to the mac, the process is indeed similar. Go to >> the vo utility (vo-f8, with the function key if your settings require it) >> and go to braille in the categories table. Hit the add button, and the >> process is pretty timple from there. I haven't done it in a long time or I'd >> offer you better steps, but let us know if you can't get things set up and >> someone can help further. >> On Feb 13, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: >> >>> I just managed to get my Braille Sense U2 to interface with my iPhone! now >>> I just have to figure out how to control most of the functions on said >>> phone. this will certainly make reading messages and responding to them a >>> lot easier. >>> >>> if I keep up my current rate, I should be able to complete learning grade >>> II Braille. All that will be needed after that is practice, lots of >>> practice. >>> >>> now, all I have to figure out is how to get that Braille Sense to interface >>> with my macbook. I am guessing the method to do this is similar to that for >>> the iPhone. >>> >>> -eric >>> (student at the colorado center for the blind) >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> Have a great day, >> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) >> mehg...@gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Very irritating and bizarre problem with Growl
I'm really hoping that someone can shed some light on this. I am having an issue with Growl which is just, absolutely making me crinch! I honestly never have been very good at configuring Growl, but this has put me over the top in perplexity. First of all, when I interact with the toolbar under the preferences, and go to the displays tab, the first option under here I see which says something to the effect of the default style, is set to smoke, but is dimmed. So, I can't change that popup button to speech or anything of the like. Next I see a popup button which says default action. I was able to set that to speech, Down below in the table, I did manage to move it over in there to speech, and I was able to set the speech settings as I liked, preview them, and all sounds good. The only issue now is, if I leave that table selected on Speech, but then hit command+W to close out of Growl's preferences window, if I then go back in and open a program, say, like, Menu Weather, or something which basically would then force growl to come up so I can test things in real time, yeah, it speaks fine, but Voiceover also reads the pop up notification. So because of this, what I get is the default system voice, Alex, reads the growl notification, but then Voiceover also reads it. It's totally! wickedly bizarre! I dont' get it! I don't ever recall having this problem. Yeah, I went to restart Voiceover, and that did no good. About the only thing I've not done yet is restart the whole Mac system. I can't fathom this! Please can someone tell me step by step how to configure this so that effectively, growl will send the notifications to my system voice, but Voiceover won't get in the darn way trying to also read them? I literally have uninstalled Growl temporarily until I figure out how to set this correctly, as it's driving me nuts! Chris. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
drag key?
Hi, any direction please on where can I find the drag key on my keyboard? I am using an apple wireless keyboard with my Mac. Thank you in advance for your kind help. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: drag key?
I don't know what you mean by a drag key. Do you mean drag and drop? If so, use vo-comma to select an itm to drag, and vo-period to drop. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 16, 2013, at 21:34, "Estelita" wrote: > Hi, any direction please on where can I find the drag key on my keyboard? > I am using an apple wireless keyboard with my Mac. > Thank you in advance for your kind help. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: drag key?
Hi Alex, Thank you for your reply on my query. What it is, I found some keyboard shortcut keys, that says, 1. Option-Drag, copies file to a new location. 2. Command-Drag, move and auto-align icons. - Original Message - From: "Alex Hall" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 3:15 AM Subject: Re: drag key? I don't know what you mean by a drag key. Do you mean drag and drop? If so, use vo-comma to select an itm to drag, and vo-period to drop. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 16, 2013, at 21:34, "Estelita" wrote: Hi, any direction please on where can I find the drag key on my keyboard? I am using an apple wireless keyboard with my Mac. Thank you in advance for your kind help. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: drag key?
Ah, I see. Those are talking about dragging with a mouse while holding down a modifier key (option, control, whatever). There is no actual drag key, dragging here refers to the mouse. Specifically, you click down the mouse button, drag, and let up when you are where you want your item to be dropped. As you do this, you optionally hold down a modifier. On Feb 16, 2013, at 10:53 PM, Estelita wrote: > Hi Alex, > Thank you for your reply on my query. > What it is, I found some keyboard shortcut keys, that says, > 1. Option-Drag, copies file to a new location. > 2. Command-Drag, move and auto-align icons. > > - Original Message - From: "Alex Hall" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 3:15 AM > Subject: Re: drag key? > > >> I don't know what you mean by a drag key. Do you mean drag and drop? If so, >> use vo-comma to select an itm to drag, and vo-period to drop. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Feb 16, 2013, at 21:34, "Estelita" wrote: >> >>> Hi, any direction please on where can I find the drag key on my keyboard? >>> I am using an apple wireless keyboard with my Mac. >>> Thank you in advance for your kind help. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment!
That fine line between striving for fare access and thinking access should be the primary goal. Access first is HumanWare freedom and the like and I find using the App Store far easier and accessible than learning most of their offerings. It often seems to me the community is polarised between wanting to climb mountains and fly plains and expecting the world to totally conform to there wants and needs. I'll sit in the middle and work a little harder to learn how to do things and occasionally fail but remain truly great full for what I have. Thank you apple. Go ahead and make something pretty. Just so long as I can still use it efectively how Can I complain. You don't have to make it accessible at all! I will report bugs and make suggestions for improving and will grumble over things I don't like but I won't expect you and yours to make decisions based on me first. Danny. Sent from my iPhone On 17/02/2013, at 1:56 AM, Cheree Heppe wrote: > Cheree Heppe here: > This fascinates me. Whenever a change in accessibility is made that impairs > us, somebody always apologizes for us by saying that we have to make > allowances for the visuals among us. Does that strike anyone as backward > thinking? > > Hanging accessibility on the visual appeal perceptions of a blind observer > implies that we as blind people have no idea of what is easy to use or what > is useful. Universal design does not mean me firster design, unless I'm > seriously misunderstanding the intent of the English language. > > The previous iteration worked. This iteration is convoluted and restrictive. > > Earlier, Apple made the choice to ignor accessibility and ended up losing the > contract for the State of New York's schools because their newest version of > accessibility had narrowed the access so badly that those needing the access > couldn't use it and the Windows camp took precedence. > > I would hate to think that sort of slippage is re-asserting itself. > > My srance: The current iteration of IOS it flawed and moving farther into > that area. My thinking is that somebody in Apple is embarrassed to be > compared to a charity group pandoring to the disabled and, why don't the > Apple people realize that they have a normal public to satisfy, etc. > > Well, the fact remains that anyone has the potential to require disability > features. An accident, a careless inattention by our fellow man and we have > the accessibility paradigm staring us in the face. There are always those > pesky wars, where whole people come back with less than they left with. > > Accessibility features aid everyone. There should not be a stigma in how > accessibility is introduced into a product. If there is doubt, the > accessibility tab in the IOS devices is way at the bottom of the list of > other modalities,. Accessibility should be intuitive and simple, so that > somebody newly faced with issues that already cloud their emothins and > judgment can just reach out and keep going with a slightly new form. > > The App Store isn't easy and isn't accessible. The IBooks store is iffy and > tedious to navigate as a blind user now and it didn't act that way before the > new IOS iteration. > > So, do I just return to paying my $75 or $50 fee and reading second hand > through BookShare? > > Anybody out there listening? I hope so, because Apple made a gigantic stride > toward equalizing the paying field. It must have really bothered a few and > maybe there are influences geared to making this new, shiny equality a bit > tarnished to turn those ungrateful blind types back toward those who really > know best how to care for and govern them. > > > Regards, > Cheree Heppe > > > > Sent from my IPhone 4S > > On 16/02/2013, at 2:31, Donna Goodin wrote: > > Well said, Alex. > Cheers, > Donna > On Feb 15, 2013, at 11:43 PM, Alex Hall wrote: > >> I agree. While I don't use the iBook Store much, I use the App Store all the >> time. Once I got used to the new layout, I had no problems at all, and still >> don't. Yes, I preferred the old layout, but one thing we have to remember is >> that the iOS platform is geared toward being visually pleasing and easy to >> use. Putting accessibility on that should not limit Apple. That is, if it >> sells more devices and looks better to set things up the way they have done >> in iOS6, and if that new interface can be made totally accessible, then they >> have every right to make the change. Just because it is different, or not as >> easy to use at first glance, does not make it worse. For instance, one thing >> people forget to use in the new App Store is heading navigation, which lets >> you flick between the app and the selected information. You can also touch >> the left-most tab on the bottom, flick left once, and there's your >> adjustable picker of search results. Does Apple make mistakes? Yes, and >> plenty of them, but they sell millions of units and a
Re: drag key?
Oh, okay, thanks for the explanation. - Original Message - From: "Alex Hall" To: Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 4:44 AM Subject: Re: drag key? Ah, I see. Those are talking about dragging with a mouse while holding down a modifier key (option, control, whatever). There is no actual drag key, dragging here refers to the mouse. Specifically, you click down the mouse button, drag, and let up when you are where you want your item to be dropped. As you do this, you optionally hold down a modifier. On Feb 16, 2013, at 10:53 PM, Estelita wrote: Hi Alex, Thank you for your reply on my query. What it is, I found some keyboard shortcut keys, that says, 1. Option-Drag, copies file to a new location. 2. Command-Drag, move and auto-align icons. - Original Message - From: "Alex Hall" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 3:15 AM Subject: Re: drag key? I don't know what you mean by a drag key. Do you mean drag and drop? If so, use vo-comma to select an itm to drag, and vo-period to drop. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 16, 2013, at 21:34, "Estelita" wrote: Hi, any direction please on where can I find the drag key on my keyboard? I am using an apple wireless keyboard with my Mac. Thank you in advance for your kind help. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
