That fine line between striving for fare access and thinking access should be the primary goal. Access first is HumanWare freedom and the like and I find using the App Store far easier and accessible than learning most of their offerings.
It often seems to me the community is polarised between wanting to climb mountains and fly plains and expecting the world to totally conform to there wants and needs. I'll sit in the middle and work a little harder to learn how to do things and occasionally fail but remain truly great full for what I have. Thank you apple. Go ahead and make something pretty. Just so long as I can still use it efectively how Can I complain. You don't have to make it accessible at all! I will report bugs and make suggestions for improving and will grumble over things I don't like but I won't expect you and yours to make decisions based on me first. Danny. Sent from my iPhone On 17/02/2013, at 1:56 AM, Cheree Heppe <che...@dogsc4me.com> wrote: > Cheree Heppe here: > This fascinates me. Whenever a change in accessibility is made that impairs > us, somebody always apologizes for us by saying that we have to make > allowances for the visuals among us. Does that strike anyone as backward > thinking? > > Hanging accessibility on the visual appeal perceptions of a blind observer > implies that we as blind people have no idea of what is easy to use or what > is useful. Universal design does not mean me firster design, unless I'm > seriously misunderstanding the intent of the English language. > > The previous iteration worked. This iteration is convoluted and restrictive. > > Earlier, Apple made the choice to ignor accessibility and ended up losing the > contract for the State of New York's schools because their newest version of > accessibility had narrowed the access so badly that those needing the access > couldn't use it and the Windows camp took precedence. > > I would hate to think that sort of slippage is re-asserting itself. > > My srance: The current iteration of IOS it flawed and moving farther into > that area. My thinking is that somebody in Apple is embarrassed to be > compared to a charity group pandoring to the disabled and, why don't the > Apple people realize that they have a normal public to satisfy, etc. > > Well, the fact remains that anyone has the potential to require disability > features. An accident, a careless inattention by our fellow man and we have > the accessibility paradigm staring us in the face. There are always those > pesky wars, where whole people come back with less than they left with. > > Accessibility features aid everyone. There should not be a stigma in how > accessibility is introduced into a product. If there is doubt, the > accessibility tab in the IOS devices is way at the bottom of the list of > other modalities,. Accessibility should be intuitive and simple, so that > somebody newly faced with issues that already cloud their emothins and > judgment can just reach out and keep going with a slightly new form. > > The App Store isn't easy and isn't accessible. The IBooks store is iffy and > tedious to navigate as a blind user now and it didn't act that way before the > new IOS iteration. > > So, do I just return to paying my $75 or $50 fee and reading second hand > through BookShare? > > Anybody out there listening? I hope so, because Apple made a gigantic stride > toward equalizing the paying field. It must have really bothered a few and > maybe there are influences geared to making this new, shiny equality a bit > tarnished to turn those ungrateful blind types back toward those who really > know best how to care for and govern them. > > > Regards, > Cheree Heppe > > > > Sent from my IPhone 4S > > On 16/02/2013, at 2:31, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: > > Well said, Alex. > Cheers, > Donna > On Feb 15, 2013, at 11:43 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I agree. While I don't use the iBook Store much, I use the App Store all the >> time. Once I got used to the new layout, I had no problems at all, and still >> don't. Yes, I preferred the old layout, but one thing we have to remember is >> that the iOS platform is geared toward being visually pleasing and easy to >> use. Putting accessibility on that should not limit Apple. That is, if it >> sells more devices and looks better to set things up the way they have done >> in iOS6, and if that new interface can be made totally accessible, then they >> have every right to make the change. Just because it is different, or not as >> easy to use at first glance, does not make it worse. For instance, one thing >> people forget to use in the new App Store is heading navigation, which lets >> you flick between the app and the selected information. You can also touch >> the left-most tab on the bottom, flick left once, and there's your >> adjustable picker of search results. Does Apple make mistakes? Yes, and >> plenty of them, but they sell millions of units and are trying to please a >> huge range of users. Do they make interfaces that are accessible but >> horrible to use? Yes (Garageband, for instance - you can use it, but not >> efficiently). Overall, though, they do their best, they have an amazing >> accessibility department, and, remember, Voiceover is still younger than >> most of the screen readers out there, yet it can easily compete with any of >> them. >> On Feb 16, 2013, at 12:28 AM, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I must say, I'm at a total loss about iBooks and the app store. These seem >>> to be working fine for me on all my IOS devices. I remember a few months >>> back, when they first changed the app store there was accessible issues. I >>> think they fixed that in a month or less. And I've never had any problems >>> using the table index sliders. Just to be clear, I'm not saying that you >>> are not indeed having these issues. I'm just wondering, could it be user >>> error? >>> >>> Ricardo Walker >>> rica...@appletothecore.info >>> Twitter:@apple2thecore >>> www.appletothecore.info >>> >>> On Feb 15, 2013, at 10:57 PM, Cheree Heppe <che...@dogsc4me.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Cheree Heppe here: >>>> >>>> No need to make excuses for Apple. The IBooks store and the App Store >>>> have become significantly less accessible with the changing IOS versions. >>>> This doesn't have to happen and is a bad sign. In IBooks, there are >>>> horizontal rows of titles and at either end of those rows oone encounters >>>> a slider or something that when barely touched will shift the titles >>>> listings so that a blind user has a hell of a time determining what the >>>> list actually contains. >>>> >>>> The same slider in the contacts list on the IPhone works well because it >>>> somehow paces itself with the user's scrolling finger and is very usable. >>>> >>>> The App Store has these screen shots and a tiny place to flick up or >>>> whatever that in using the I-devices since 2010, I have not been able to >>>> master. The earlier iteration of the app store's accessibility worked so >>>> well that it was easy to read about the apps, move through a list and so >>>> on. I have barely used either the app store or IBooks store since these >>>> limitations became part of the IOS. >>>> >>>> These changes make it nearly impossible for a new blind user to get a >>>> confident sense of the potential for independent access that we got only a >>>> few IOS upgrades ago. This would be very off putting to me if I had >>>> acquired my I-device recently. >>>> >>>> Apple does not have to model its screen reader and access after the >>>> seriously broken JAWS example. I use JAWS at work and have never >>>> experienced a computer program so poorly equipped to do a job. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Cheree Heppe >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my IPhone 4S >>>> >>>> On 15/02/2013, at 15:50, "Blake Sinnett" <frequency...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I would have to agree. Apple has lost some of their magic ever since the >>>> middle of last year. Things just seem to be breaking a little too often. >>>> iCloud, bugs in iOS 6, the maps fiasco... Who knows what'll happen next. >>>> Of course Tim's just taken over, so maybe after a while things'll smooth >>>> out. The only thing we can do is wait and see what happens. >>>> >>>> Blake >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: <jshandr...@gmail.com> >>>> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:42 AM >>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> Subject: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment! >>>> >>>>> OT: iOS 6 disappointment! >>>>> >>>>> Is anyone else feeling a little sad about the iOS eco-system since >>>>> release in October. Don't get me wrong, there will always be issues. >>>>> However Apple has had so many issues. >>>>> First, you had the complete redesign of iBooks, App, iTunes store. In >>>>> the first release the blind community lost a lot of access, because we >>>>> didn't even have the ability to see ratings with the new software. >>>>> Second, you had the App store crashing when you would go into the search >>>>> area. This happened to everyone, not just our community. >>>>> thirdly, who can forget the map debacle. >>>>> You have devices going into recovery mode when you do a reset. >>>>> The 6. 1 update you now have exchange issue. The extreme 4s battery >>>>> issue, and now this morning people who use institutional accounts like at >>>>> schools. Individuals can bypass the no downloading option. >>>>> I just find this so sad. apple used to pay such close attention to >>>>> stability, clean UI, and of course accessibility. I still love my Apple >>>>> products, and hope things change under Jony Ive. Is anyone else feeling >>>>> slightly let down? This is just a short list, I know you could point out >>>>> more. I just pointed out a few which never should have happened! >>>>> >>>>> J.P. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> Have a great day, >> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) >> mehg...@gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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