Re: vlc: adding to media library solved

2012-11-30 Thread Cheryl Homiak
This was driving me crazy because I managed to add a playlist accidentally to 
the vlc media library but still didn't know how I had done it. Furthermore, I 
read some posts that said this could no longer be done but since I had done it 
accidentally I knew this couldn't be right. Finally I decided to try drag and 
drop which I would have tried sooner had I not read that it doesn't work. For 
anybody who might want to do this, here's what I did:

(1) I opened a folder in vlc using open file in vlc and navigating to the 
folder.
2. I saved the folder as a playlist with cmd-s.
3. I switched in the table (sort of like a sources table) to media library and 
then navigated to the table that showed what was in the library.
4. I went to finder and opened the folder where the playlist was and did 
vo-comma to mark it for drag-and-drop.
5. I turned cursor tracking off (may not be necessary but seems to work more 
reliably for me).
6. I used the window chooser to get back to vlc and I was still in the library 
media table there.
7. I did vo-period to drag the playlist (I tried vo-lessthan and vo-greaterthan 
but they didn't work).
8. I turned cursor tracking back on so I wouldn't start trying to do things 
with cursor tracking off and end up thinking something was terribly wrong.
I've done two playlists this way and I imagine there's no reason why I couldn't 
drag individual files or folders instead of making playlists. Now that I know 
how to do it, I can play with it.

Now I'm going to bed!!!

-- 
Cheryl

May the words of my mouth
and the meditation of my heart
be acceptable to You, Lord,
my rock and my Redeemer.
(Psalm 19:14 HCSB)



On Nov 29, 2012, at 7:14 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:

> Does anybody know if there's a keyboard shortcut or accessible method for 
> adding to the media library in vlc. I am sure it's enabled because the window 
> comes up when I open vlc and I've apparently accidentally added a couple of 
> songs to it but I have no idea when or how that happened. I have no problem 
> making playlists but I can't figure out how to add to the media library 
> intentionally. I googled and found one article but the description didn't 
> seem to translate to what I could do with voiceover. It must be possible 
> since I did it unknowingly.
> 
> Thanks for any tips.
> 
> -- 
> Cheryl
> 
> May the words of my mouth
> and the meditation of my heart
> be acceptable to You, Lord,
> my rock and my Redeemer.
> (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)
> 
> 
> 

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Re: ITunes 11 is absolutely perverted! in my opinion!

2012-11-30 Thread Chris Moore
Overall, iTunes 11 is certainly no worse than iTunes 10 on the Mac when it 
comes to accessibility.  However, Apple could do more to improve Voiceover 
support (I can't comment on Windows, as not tested it there yet).

The first item/button Voiceover lands on is the rewind button, and there is a 
play button and a next button.  So we have a rewind and a next button, so some 
people might be confused by the lack of a previous button or a forward button.  
So perhaps the rewind and next buttons should be labelled as "previous/rewind 
button and a next/forward button.

The next item which puzzles me is the "iCloud button", what does this actually 
do? When pressing it with voiceover, it does not indicate if it is on or off or 
if anything has happened when it is pressed.

My next issue relates to the 7 radio buttons, the last radio button is read out 
as "Radio radio button 7 of 7".  Hearing the words Radio radio button is not 
exactly intuitive, and I am sure these buttons are actually tabs and not web 
page style radio buttons.  So would it not be better if Voiceover read out 
these 7 buttons as tabs? then the last tab could be read out as "Radio tab 7 of 
7". Note: the iTunes store uses tabs, so replacing radio buttons with tabs 
would give iTunes 11 a more consistent look and feel when it comes to 
navigating with a screen reader.

Finally there is a iTunes Store button, I think it would be more intuitive if 
the button was read out as "Go to iTunes Store button"  Then when you are in 
the iTunes Store, the button is read out as "Go back to Library button", 
instead of "Library menu button".  Calling this a menu button gives the 
impression a menu is about to appear if you press it.  

After opening the iTunes Store I am greeted with a back and next button for the 
store navigation, then there are a series of menu buttons (as voiceover 
describes them) which are My iTunes Account, iTunes Store home menu button, 
Music menu button, Films menu button etc.  Would it not be better to have these 
menu buttons labelled as tabs? 

I also think the home page of the iTunes store is a bit of a mess for screen 
reader users. For starters the HTML does not follow W3C web accessibility 
guidelines when it comes to heading structure.  For example there are heading 3 
items, and heading 5, but there are no heading 1 or 2.  It breaks accessibility 
when heading levels are skipped.

The document structure does not follow how it is laid out visually either.

The screen reader user hears the headings in the following sequence:

Heading 3 Music (this should be a heading 2, and there should be a heading 1 
prior to it labelled iTunes Store Home") 

Heading 3 Films (this should be a heading 2) 

TV programmes (this should be a heading 2) 

Heading 3 Apps (this should be a heading 2) 

Heading 3 Late Night Music on TV (should this not be listed under Music or 
under Feature?)

Heading 3 Genius Recommendations (should this not be a heading 2?) 

Heading 3 Books (should this not be a heading 2? 

Heading 3 Quick Links (should this not be a heading 2?)

Heading 3 Top Singles (should this not be a sub heading under Music? and the 
see all link appears to have gone) 

Heading 3 Top Albums  ((should this not be a sub heading under Music? and the 
see all link appears to have gone)

Heading 3 Top Films (should this not be listed under Films? see all has gone)

Heading 3 TOP TV (voiceover reads this as T O P instead of top, and should it 
not be listed as a sub heading under TV programmes? see all has gone)

Heading 3 Top Paid Apps (should this not be listed as a sub heading under Apps?)

Heading 3 Top Free Apps (should this not be a sub heading under Apps?)

Heading 3 Top Books (Should this not be listed as a sub heading under Books?)

The above is just a few examples, if you work your way through the iTunes 
store, you will find many other. I feel the order of the headings does not 
match how the layout works visually.

Chris

On 30 Nov 2012, at 04:06, Rachel Feinberg  wrote:

> Hi Chris,
> 
> Try going to the view menu, and choosing "show sidebar." That will give you 
> the look you're familiar with, as well as show status bar, if you're used to 
> seeing things in your library that way.
> Also, here's 5 tips to make iTuens look normal again.
> http://osxdaily.com/2012/11/29/5-tips-make-itunes-look-normal/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+osxdaily+%28OS+X+Daily%29
> Good luck,
> Rachel 
> On Nov 29, 2012, at 7:32 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>  wrote:
> 
>> OK, I don't normally bitch about Apple 峰roducts, but I have to say, what in 
>> the cottin pickin heck! was Apple thinking!  Maybe I am just not very 
>> patient, but this is absolutely disgusting! from what I am so far seeing.
>> 
>> First of all, I hear people saying the interface is much simpiler?  OK, how 
>> do you figure that?  You're entitled certainly to you all's own opinions, 
>> but lookat.  Let me give my! point a vew.
>> 
>> First of a

Re: Nook accessibility is coming for the mac

2012-11-30 Thread Steve Griffiths
I've got the app in the UK, although when I searched on my iPad, Nook
came up fourth in the list.

On Nov 30, 5:25 am, Mary Otten  wrote:
> Yes, people from the UK have stated the app is available. What happens if you 
> search in the app store under nook?
>
> Mary
>
> Mary Otten
> motte...@gmail.com

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Re: ZoomText on the Mac Coming Soon

2012-11-30 Thread Les Kriegler
Hi Doug,

It is great that AI Squared is developing ZT for the Mac.  I cannot use large 
print, but large print users should have a choice.  I hope the Mac version 
equates to the Windows version in features and functionality.  Good luck as 
this software rolls out.

Les
On Nov 29, 2012, at 12:15 PM, dhacker  wrote:

> Just to let everyone know, Ai Squared is close to releasing a version of 
> ZoomText for the Mac. First release will be Magnification + Enhancements only 
> to be followed by reading functionality.
> 
> You can apply for group membership here:
> 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/ztmac
> 
> Doug
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Re: vlc: adding to media library solved

2012-11-30 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Hey, can you use VLC to lay a song, and, while a song is playing, cue up the 
next song to play after the current one without interupting the playback of the 
current song?  
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud and happy Mac user!

On Nov 30, 2012, at 2:31 AM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:

> This was driving me crazy because I managed to add a playlist accidentally to 
> the vlc media library but still didn't know how I had done it. Furthermore, I 
> read some posts that said this could no longer be done but since I had done 
> it accidentally I knew this couldn't be right. Finally I decided to try drag 
> and drop which I would have tried sooner had I not read that it doesn't work. 
> For anybody who might want to do this, here's what I did:
> 
> (1) I opened a folder in vlc using open file in vlc and navigating to the 
> folder.
> 2. I saved the folder as a playlist with cmd-s.
> 3. I switched in the table (sort of like a sources table) to media library 
> and then navigated to the table that showed what was in the library.
> 4. I went to finder and opened the folder where the playlist was and did 
> vo-comma to mark it for drag-and-drop.
> 5. I turned cursor tracking off (may not be necessary but seems to work more 
> reliably for me).
> 6. I used the window chooser to get back to vlc and I was still in the 
> library media table there.
> 7. I did vo-period to drag the playlist (I tried vo-lessthan and 
> vo-greaterthan but they didn't work).
> 8. I turned cursor tracking back on so I wouldn't start trying to do things 
> with cursor tracking off and end up thinking something was terribly wrong.
> I've done two playlists this way and I imagine there's no reason why I 
> couldn't drag individual files or folders instead of making playlists. Now 
> that I know how to do it, I can play with it.
> 
> Now I'm going to bed!!!
> 
> -- 
> Cheryl
> 
> May the words of my mouth
> and the meditation of my heart
> be acceptable to You, Lord,
> my rock and my Redeemer.
> (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 29, 2012, at 7:14 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
> 
>> Does anybody know if there's a keyboard shortcut or accessible method for 
>> adding to the media library in vlc. I am sure it's enabled because the 
>> window comes up when I open vlc and I've apparently accidentally added a 
>> couple of songs to it but I have no idea when or how that happened. I have 
>> no problem making playlists but I can't figure out how to add to the media 
>> library intentionally. I googled and found one article but the description 
>> didn't seem to translate to what I could do with voiceover. It must be 
>> possible since I did it unknowingly.
>> 
>> Thanks for any tips.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Cheryl
>> 
>> May the words of my mouth
>> and the meditation of my heart
>> be acceptable to You, Lord,
>> my rock and my Redeemer.
>> (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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Re: expense tracking software for the mac?

2012-11-30 Thread Les Kriegler
Hi Alex,

Will you be using this for personal use or for a business?  For personal use, 
SEE Finance is my choice.  However, I'd suggest waiting until version 1.0 comes 
out.  To be clear, they've had version starting with 0.whatever for a few 
years.  Entering transactions is clunky right now, but version 1 is being 
totally re-written to fix this.  I have been working with the developers for 
about 2 years.  They labeled all of the buttons.  I've been a Quicken for 
Windows user and find that software terribly lacking in terms of accessibility. 
 SEE Finance shows great promise.  Right now, I download all of my transactions 
from my bank and for other accounts we own, and it's very easy to set up and is 
incredibly fast.  I'll provide more info if anybody wants it.

Les
On Nov 29, 2012, at 8:19 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Hi all,
> I will soon have need of expense-tracking software and, of course, I'd
> like to keep it on the mac instead of needing Windows. I have zero
> experience in this field, but I was told to look into Quickbooks, I
> think it was. Is that accessible? If not, is there similar software
> that will work with Voiceover? Thanks.
> 
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> mehg...@gmail.com
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Re: Nook accessibility is coming for the mac

2012-11-30 Thread Les Kriegler
Hi Mary,

Thanks for this link.  I just sent a thank you note as well and encourage 
others to do the same.

Les
On Nov 29, 2012, at 7:05 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

> Hi Karen,
> My connection just came because I sent a thank you note to 
> accessibil...@book.com.  No special connection here.
> 
> Mary Otten
> motte...@gmail.com
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RE: Option-click doesn't seem to work for me in iTunes 10.7 on Mountain Lion

2012-11-30 Thread Daniel Miller
It's been broken for a while now, and is even still broken in iTunes 11. I
just use Xcode if I want to restore from IPSW files.

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Victor Tsaran
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 1:58 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Option-click doesn't seem to work for me in iTunes 10.7 on Mountain
Lion

Hi all,
So, I looked through discussions on Mac-visionaries and know this topic has
come up on multiple occasions.
Option-click seemed to work for me just about a year ago. However, when I
tried it today wanting to restore from the psw file, no matter what I did,
the option-click would not pull up the file browser window.
I am using Mountain Lion with iTunes 10.7. Here are the steps I perform:

1. Tab to the "Restore" button in iTunes after connecting my phone.
2. Route VO cursor to the button by pressing VO-CMD-F5. My cursor tracking
is turned on.
3. Turn off VO by pressing CMD+F5.
4. Hold down the OPTION key while clicking with  the trackpad.

Like I said, I tried several times and even on two different Macs, Macbook
Air and Mac Mini, but the result is the same: no file browser window ever
pops up.

Any ideas if there are work-arounds?

Thanks all.
Best,
Victor


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Re: ZoomText on the Mac Coming Soon

2012-11-30 Thread Claudio
Hello all!

I really dont want to start any big discussion about the best solucion but 
i want to tell people about our own Software MagniLink iMax so people know 
that there is more then one player in this new game for Magnification 
software in the Mac.

I work here in Sweden for LVI - Low Vision International and together with 
the guys at AssistiveWare who provides the Acapela voices for the Mac iVox 
we have developed MagniLink iMax,  a screen magnifier with speech support.

We launched MagniLink iMax some year ago and the respons have been good. 
Off course this is a new Software so we can't really compare it with the PC 
softwares out there like Zoomtext or Dolphin Supernova wish have many years 
of developing behind but we working hard to make new updates and features 
for the future.

To read more about MagniLink iMax and download a trial version you can 
visit our website www.lviamerica.com

Best regards from Sweden!
/Claudio Quitral http://www.lviamerica.com/magnilink_imax

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Re: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera

2012-11-30 Thread Eugenia Firth
Hi Guys. 
This brings up a question for me. I am interested in giving gift cards on 
iTunes. I saw where you can redeem them, but where do you go to give them? The 
only thing I found was giving them through Amazon somehow. 

Regards, 
Gigi 


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 29, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Mike M  wrote:

> The title says it all.
>I am posting this to both the Mac and iPhone lists since parties in both 
> may find this helpful. 
>There is a feature in iTunes 11 that gives you the ability to redeem gift 
> cards using the camera on the Mac. Sorry to any PC users out there, this is 
> only supported on the Mac
>Check out a little more here.
> http://htb2.com/2012/11/29/redeem-itunes-giftcards-with-built-in-mac-camera/
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Mike 
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RE: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera

2012-11-30 Thread Daniel Miller
You have to do it through the apple store app, or online at store.apple.com.
I believe you can also do it with facebook now too, but I'm  not sure.

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera

Hi Guys. 
This brings up a question for me. I am interested in giving gift cards on
iTunes. I saw where you can redeem them, but where do you go to give them?
The only thing I found was giving them through Amazon somehow. 

Regards, 
Gigi 


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 29, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Mike M  wrote:

> The title says it all.
>I am posting this to both the Mac and iPhone lists since parties in
both may find this helpful. 
>There is a feature in iTunes 11 that gives you the ability to redeem
gift cards using the camera on the Mac. Sorry to any PC users out there,
this is only supported on the Mac
>Check out a little more here.
>
http://htb2.com/2012/11/29/redeem-itunes-giftcards-with-built-in-mac-camera/
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Mike 
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Re: figured out the issue with voice over saying the wrong number of apps in mountain lion

2012-11-30 Thread Kristeen Hughes
Mike, it has taken me a while but I have finally been able to compare my two 
Mac Minis with activity monitor. Unfortunately, they don't look very different 
from each other. This is unfortunate because it gives me no more of an 
explanation for why one of them is running the way it is. The only processes 
that show a great amount of activity our activity monitor and voiceover. There 
is another one that's called warmd and I don't know what it does. it isn't 
using any CPU but I just wonder about it, because it's owned by nobody.

I purchased cocktail, and I'm very glad I did. I have run it on both minis and 
done some tweaking, but it hasn't changed the situation on the one that is 
sick. It still runs extremely erratically, and voiceover cannot speak more than 
a few syllables without being cut off. Everything is still busy, even if the 
only thing running his finder. I'm starting to wonder if there's something 
going on with the hardware. It seems very sudden, but it's the only conclusion 
I have left.

Kristeen

On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:01 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

> Cocktail is an app that allows you to tweak some things, it will also do 
> things like clear your cache.
> You can look at the processes on your mac by going in to activity monitor, 
> you will find it in the utilities folder.
> Original message:
>> Mike, What is cocktail exactly?
> 
>> Also, how can I learn more about the processes on the Mac and what they do. 
>> I am curious about the comparisons between the PC processes, which I know 
>> like the back of my hand, and the Mac side of the coin, which is all still 
>> very new to me.
> 
> 
>> Kristeen
>> On Nov 28, 2012, at 11:35 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
>>> If anyone is curious, I was able to figure this out. Even when I only had 
>>> finder running, voiceover would still say there were 2 running apps. The 
>>> notification center is considered an app, even though you cannot command 
>>> tab to it, or select it from the dock. Since I never use this feature, I 
>>> used an application called cocktail to disable it, now the number of 
>>> running applications is spoken correctly.
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RE: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera

2012-11-30 Thread Missy Hoppe
Oh wow! This is very cool. Can they be redeemeed on the IDevices too, or just 
the mac? Either way, this is an amazing new
feature. Thanks for sharing!
Missy

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Subject: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera

The title says it all.
I am posting this to both the Mac and iPhone lists since parties in 
both may find this helpful.
There is a feature in iTunes 11 that gives you the ability to redeem 
gift cards using the camera on the Mac. Sorry to
any PC users out there, this is only supported on the Mac
Check out a little more here.
http://htb2.com/2012/11/29/redeem-itunes-giftcards-with-built-in-mac-camera/

Cheers!

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RE: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera

2012-11-30 Thread Daniel Miller
Let me see, actually. I'll report back in a few.
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Missy Hoppe
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 6:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera

Oh wow! This is very cool. Can they be redeemeed on the IDevices too, or
just the mac? Either way, this is an amazing new feature. Thanks for
sharing!
Missy

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike M
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:48 PM
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Subject: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera

The title says it all.
I am posting this to both the Mac and iPhone lists since parties in
both may find this helpful.
There is a feature in iTunes 11 that gives you the ability to redeem
gift cards using the camera on the Mac. Sorry to any PC users out there,
this is only supported on the Mac
Check out a little more here.
http://htb2.com/2012/11/29/redeem-itunes-giftcards-with-built-in-mac-camera/

Cheers!

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RE: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera

2012-11-30 Thread Daniel Miller
Unfortunately, iOS devices can't do that yet. I'm guessing it's coming in a
future version of the software, though.

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Missy Hoppe
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 6:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera

Oh wow! This is very cool. Can they be redeemeed on the IDevices too, or
just the mac? Either way, this is an amazing new feature. Thanks for
sharing!
Missy

-Original Message-
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike M
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; viph...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera

The title says it all.
I am posting this to both the Mac and iPhone lists since parties in
both may find this helpful.
There is a feature in iTunes 11 that gives you the ability to redeem
gift cards using the camera on the Mac. Sorry to any PC users out there,
this is only supported on the Mac
Check out a little more here.
http://htb2.com/2012/11/29/redeem-itunes-giftcards-with-built-in-mac-camera/

Cheers!

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RE: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera

2012-11-30 Thread Missy Hoppe
Thanks for checking. I'm just happy that they can be redeemed  on the mac. I 
have never even gotten a giftcard, but if I ever
do, I will be able to use it, and you're probably right that the feature will 
become available on Idevices in a future
software update.

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Subject: RE: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera

Unfortunately, iOS devices can't do that yet. I'm guessing it's coming in a 
future version of the software, though.

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Missy Hoppe
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 6:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera

Oh wow! This is very cool. Can they be redeemeed on the IDevices too, or just 
the mac? Either way, this is an amazing new
feature. Thanks for sharing!
Missy

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike M
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; viph...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera

The title says it all.
I am posting this to both the Mac and iPhone lists since parties in 
both may find this helpful.
There is a feature in iTunes 11 that gives you the ability to redeem 
gift cards using the camera on the Mac. Sorry to
any PC users out there, this is only supported on the Mac
Check out a little more here.
http://htb2.com/2012/11/29/redeem-itunes-giftcards-with-built-in-mac-camera/

Cheers!

Mike

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RE: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera

2012-11-30 Thread Daniel Miller
No problem. I agree, that does help, instead of having to rely on sighted
people to read the codes. Lol.

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Missy Hoppe
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 7:07 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera

Thanks for checking. I'm just happy that they can be redeemed  on the mac. I
have never even gotten a giftcard, but if I ever do, I will be able to use
it, and you're probably right that the feature will become available on
Idevices in a future software update.

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:02 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera

Unfortunately, iOS devices can't do that yet. I'm guessing it's coming in a
future version of the software, though.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Missy Hoppe
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 6:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera

Oh wow! This is very cool. Can they be redeemeed on the IDevices too, or
just the mac? Either way, this is an amazing new feature. Thanks for
sharing!
Missy

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike M
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; viph...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera

The title says it all.
I am posting this to both the Mac and iPhone lists since parties in
both may find this helpful.
There is a feature in iTunes 11 that gives you the ability to redeem
gift cards using the camera on the Mac. Sorry to any PC users out there,
this is only supported on the Mac
Check out a little more here.
http://htb2.com/2012/11/29/redeem-itunes-giftcards-with-built-in-mac-camera/

Cheers!

Mike

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Re: Monitors for the mac mini

2012-11-30 Thread Alex Hall
I haven't heard of monitors with cameras, but I don't really keep up with 
monitors, so it is definitely possible. Either way, any monitor you can connect 
should work, much like most any keyboard or mouse will work. I'd just go to 
newegg.com and look for a cheap monitor, preferably with HDMI or Thunderbolt as 
that avoids the need for adapters. If the cheapest is VGA, though, you can do 
what I did and pick up a Mini Display to VGA adapter, which connects to the 
thunderbolt port on one end and accepts a VGA cable on the other.
On Nov 30, 2012, at 1:11 AM, Marc Rocheleau  wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
> I am not sure whether or not to buy a new monitor for my mac mini but
> was wondering if anyone had some recommendations. I should be getting
> the computer in the next few weeks and have heard some of the benefits
> of some mac monitors having a built-in camera but wasn't sure if this
> was only with the iMac or if you could get separate monitors like
> this.
> 
> I came across the 27" Thunderbolt display but A) I am not willing to
> spend that kind of cash on something I can't even see and B) It's way
> too big for what I need anyway. My fiancee is really the only person
> who would need this monitor so I'm looking to keep it relatively cheap
> and around the 20" range. Built-in camera for facetime, OCR or even
> iTunes gift card redeeming purposes would be nice too if that sort of
> thing exists.
> 
> Any help/advice would be grately appreciated! I just want to make sure
> anything I potentially use runs smoothly with apple's ecosystem too.
> 
> -Marc
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Re: expense tracking software for the mac?

2012-11-30 Thread Alex Hall
It will be for a business I have started, just myself and my driver at this 
point. I suppose it would be for business, but very small. I just need to track 
payments, both incoming and outgoing, and all that other finance stuff I don't 
really understand yet. The accountant I am working with asked me to find some 
accessible software similar to Quicken, so I am following up with that. Ideally 
I could give her some kind of export from whatever app I use which she could 
plug into Quicken (which her firm uses). Thanks. Also, please let me know when 
the update to the software you mentioned is released so I can take a look.
On Nov 30, 2012, at 6:35 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:

> Hi Alex,
> 
> Will you be using this for personal use or for a business?  For personal use, 
> SEE Finance is my choice.  However, I'd suggest waiting until version 1.0 
> comes out.  To be clear, they've had version starting with 0.whatever for a 
> few years.  Entering transactions is clunky right now, but version 1 is being 
> totally re-written to fix this.  I have been working with the developers for 
> about 2 years.  They labeled all of the buttons.  I've been a Quicken for 
> Windows user and find that software terribly lacking in terms of 
> accessibility.  SEE Finance shows great promise.  Right now, I download all 
> of my transactions from my bank and for other accounts we own, and it's very 
> easy to set up and is incredibly fast.  I'll provide more info if anybody 
> wants it.
> 
> Les
> On Nov 29, 2012, at 8:19 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I will soon have need of expense-tracking software and, of course, I'd
>> like to keep it on the mac instead of needing Windows. I have zero
>> experience in this field, but I was told to look into Quickbooks, I
>> think it was. Is that accessible? If not, is there similar software
>> that will work with Voiceover? Thanks.
>> 
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Re: Monitors for the mac mini

2012-11-30 Thread Bill Holton
Hi.
Do you already have a monitor for another computer question is so why not just 
get a keyboard/monitor a beast which?
On Nov 30, 2012, at 1:11 AM, Marc Rocheleau  wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
> I am not sure whether or not to buy a new monitor for my mac mini but
> was wondering if anyone had some recommendations. I should be getting
> the computer in the next few weeks and have heard some of the benefits
> of some mac monitors having a built-in camera but wasn't sure if this
> was only with the iMac or if you could get separate monitors like
> this.
> 
> I came across the 27" Thunderbolt display but A) I am not willing to
> spend that kind of cash on something I can't even see and B) It's way
> too big for what I need anyway. My fiancee is really the only person
> who would need this monitor so I'm looking to keep it relatively cheap
> and around the 20" range. Built-in camera for facetime, OCR or even
> iTunes gift card redeeming purposes would be nice too if that sort of
> thing exists.
> 
> Any help/advice would be grately appreciated! I just want to make sure
> anything I potentially use runs smoothly with apple's ecosystem too.
> 
> -Marc
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Re: vlc: adding to media library solved

2012-11-30 Thread Cheryl Homiak
I'll have to check that. I do know that you can start a whole directory without 
making a playlist but I suspect that if you are playing one song and then set 
up another one it will switch to that next one.

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and the meditation of my heart
be acceptable to You, Lord,
my rock and my Redeemer.
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On Nov 30, 2012, at 5:25 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> Hey, can you use VLC to lay a song, and, while a song is playing, cue up the 
> next song to play after the current one without interupting the playback of 
> the current song?  
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
> 
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 2:31 AM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
> 
>> This was driving me crazy because I managed to add a playlist accidentally 
>> to the vlc media library but still didn't know how I had done it. 
>> Furthermore, I read some posts that said this could no longer be done but 
>> since I had done it accidentally I knew this couldn't be right. Finally I 
>> decided to try drag and drop which I would have tried sooner had I not read 
>> that it doesn't work. For anybody who might want to do this, here's what I 
>> did:
>> 
>> (1) I opened a folder in vlc using open file in vlc and navigating to the 
>> folder.
>> 2. I saved the folder as a playlist with cmd-s.
>> 3. I switched in the table (sort of like a sources table) to media library 
>> and then navigated to the table that showed what was in the library.
>> 4. I went to finder and opened the folder where the playlist was and did 
>> vo-comma to mark it for drag-and-drop.
>> 5. I turned cursor tracking off (may not be necessary but seems to work more 
>> reliably for me).
>> 6. I used the window chooser to get back to vlc and I was still in the 
>> library media table there.
>> 7. I did vo-period to drag the playlist (I tried vo-lessthan and 
>> vo-greaterthan but they didn't work).
>> 8. I turned cursor tracking back on so I wouldn't start trying to do things 
>> with cursor tracking off and end up thinking something was terribly wrong.
>> I've done two playlists this way and I imagine there's no reason why I 
>> couldn't drag individual files or folders instead of making playlists. Now 
>> that I know how to do it, I can play with it.
>> 
>> Now I'm going to bed!!!
>> 
>> -- 
>> Cheryl
>> 
>> May the words of my mouth
>> and the meditation of my heart
>> be acceptable to You, Lord,
>> my rock and my Redeemer.
>> (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 7:14 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
>> 
>>> Does anybody know if there's a keyboard shortcut or accessible method for 
>>> adding to the media library in vlc. I am sure it's enabled because the 
>>> window comes up when I open vlc and I've apparently accidentally added a 
>>> couple of songs to it but I have no idea when or how that happened. I have 
>>> no problem making playlists but I can't figure out how to add to the media 
>>> library intentionally. I googled and found one article but the description 
>>> didn't seem to translate to what I could do with voiceover. It must be 
>>> possible since I did it unknowingly.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any tips.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Cheryl
>>> 
>>> May the words of my mouth
>>> and the meditation of my heart
>>> be acceptable to You, Lord,
>>> my rock and my Redeemer.
>>> (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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Re: VO Hints and VLC

2012-11-30 Thread Stacey Robinson
Cool,
I got the hints working like I want them too.

On Nov 29, 2012, at 9:32 PM, Cheryl Homiak wrote:

> www.videolan.org
> Open the rotor and go to links and type do and the download link for mac 
> should be the second link listed. I didn't go further to see if that link 
> downloads it or if you have to activate any links on the next page.
> 
> -- 
> Cheryl
> 
> May the words of my mouth
> and the meditation of my heart
> be acceptable to You, Lord,
> my rock and my Redeemer.
> (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 29, 2012, at 8:30 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
>> Cheryl,
>> Thanks, I'll save this.
>> Where do you get VLC?
>> 
>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 7:55 PM, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes. Open voiceover utility with vo-f8. In categories go to verbbosity. 
>>> Hints is the fifth and last tab; select it with vo-space. There's a 
>>> checkbox for speaking the instructions for the item in the voiceover 
>>> cursor; there's a pop-up for handling items with help tags, and there's a 
>>> table to set the delay before a hint is spoken. I'm not sure you need both 
>>> the checkbox and the popup depending on what you need this for. The 
>>> checkbox can be very annoying but is great when the prompt is needed. The 
>>> popup is helpful but you can also get that information by doing vo-shift-h 
>>> on items with help tags and then you can go ahead and label items by using 
>>> vo-slash. In fact, I just labelled a checkbox in vlc. So you can play with 
>>> things and see what helps you most.
>>> -- 
>>> Cheryl
>>> 
>>> May the words of my mouth
>>> and the meditation of my heart
>>> be acceptable to You, Lord,
>>> my rock and my Redeemer.
>>> (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 7:38 PM, Stacey Robinson  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 Can someone remind me how to turn on vo hints?
 Thanks,
 On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:47 PM, Harry Hogue wrote:
 
> If you have VoiceOver hints turned on, and set it to the minimum delay, 
> it will say Preview the song, etc.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Harry
> 
> On nov 29, 2012, at 1:40 p.m., Chris Moore  
> wrote:
> 
>> Not quite all buttons.  Go to the iTunes Store and select music from the 
>> menu which appears before you actually get to the HTML area (really not 
>> sure why these buttons have not been integrated directly into the HTML 
>> of the iTunes store yet) and you should see a link for last week's top 
>> 40.  Open it, and then jump to the table of songs.  You will see in the 
>> first column that every button is not labelled to preview/play the song.
>> 
>> Told you, am picky.
>> On 29 Nov 2012, at 19:10, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>>> I can say it works amazing with VO, not so much so on the Windows side 
>>> of
>>> things.
>>> Everything's perfectly accessible, buttons are labeled, etc.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Ring
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 12:23 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>> 
>>> I love the fact that any Mac can be made blind friendly so easily.
>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
 Subject line says it all. Itunes 11 with simplified player and 
 redesigned
>>> store is now available for download. I haven't tried it yet and don't 
>>> plan
>>> to until my husband puts it on his Mac and I can see how it works with 
>>> vo.
>>> Oh the joys of having the screen reader built in to all Macs!
 
 Mary
 
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Re: itunes 11 is out

2012-11-30 Thread Mike Arrigo
Yes, after looking closer at the window, I found the set of radio 
buttons. Over all I like the new interface, much more stream lined.

Original message:

You can switch to list view.
There are three radio buttons.
One thing i do like is the ability to see shows in the cloud.



On Nov 29, 2012, at 5:11 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:


One thing I don't like about the new version, and perhaps there is a 
way to change this, it groups your tv shows by season now, there's no 
way that I can find to just get a list of all shows in a nice long list.

On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:14 PM, "Daniel Miller"  wrote:


If you don’t want to use the library, then you’re out of luck. I 
personally like the library.


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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr

Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 2:06 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out


Ah, of course.  But, suppose you don't want to use the ITunes library?  
that's always been my beaf with ITunes anyhow.




Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud and happy Mac user!


On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Matthew Campbell 
 wrote:




Hi.
iTunes 11 does have a new feature called up next. This only allows you 
to cue up songs in the library though.



On 2012-11-29, at 2:56 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:



Well, what I mean is that I wanted to be able to locate a file using 
finder and cue it up in ITunes to play after the current file.  I know 
that, ITunes has never allowed files to be play in that way.




Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud and happy Mac user!



On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:44 PM, "Daniel Miller"  wrote:




What do you mean directly from the finder? I never knew you could even do that.
Also, for windows users, the menu bar is hidden by default, and refuses 
to read with jaws when you show it.


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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr

Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:40 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out


Well, you see, I had a problem.  Every single time I tried to add files 
to my last ITunes Library, (this was just prior to my totally fresh OS 
reinstall), ITunes would crash every single time if it was not 
permitted to add the files themselves to the Library.


What about playing files directly from the finder with Itunes 11?  Is 
this possible?

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud and happy Mac user!



On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:28 PM, "Daniel Miller"  wrote:




From a Mac perspective, things are much cleaner when it comes to 
navigating around the UI. On Windows, there’s even more tabbing around 
than there used to be, and that annoys me. Thankfully, however, I use 
it primarily on the Mac.
As far as libraries, yes, it still uses them, although I’m not quite 
sure why you’d need 2 copies of each file. You can tell iTunes to not 
place the files in the media folder itself when you copy them to the 
library, therefore freeing up that drive space you say you lose.


From: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr

Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:18 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out


What are the primary differences we can expect in ITunes 11 from what 
you've seen so far?


I am operating on the assumption that this version of ITunes is still 
as library dependant as the other versions have been.  IF so, it will 
mean that, when I start rebuilding my audio collection from scratch 
again, and if this collection consists of files I record myself, I will 
need to have two copies of each file; one in the original location and 
the other in my ITunes library.  I'd really rather not do that.



Clutters up drive space.




Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very proud and happy Mac user!



On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:10 PM, "Daniel Miller"  wrote:






I can say it works amazing with VO, not so much so on the Windows side of
things.
Everything's perfectly accessible, buttons are labeled, etc.



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Ring
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 12:23 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out



I love the fact that any Mac can be made blind friendly so easily.
On Nov 29, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:






Subject line says it all. Itunes 11 with simplified player and redesigned
store is now available for download. I haven't tried it yet and don't plan
to until my husband puts it on his Mac and I can see how it works with vo.
Oh the joys of having the screen reader built in to all Macs!






Mary



Mary Otten
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Re: figured out the issue with voice over saying the wrong number of apps in mountain lion

2012-11-30 Thread Mike Arrigo
A hardware issue is possible, I'm trying to remember if warmd is a 
normal process, it doesn't come to mind, you might try ending it with 
command option q. I wonder if the display port is actually having 
problems. Here's another thought, if you're running lion or mountain 
lion on the mini that's having problems, try booting in to recovery. 
Does voiceover have problems there? If so, you can be pretty sure that 
it's not a process causing the problem.

Original message:
Mike, it has taken me a while but I have finally been able to compare 
my two Mac Minis with activity monitor. Unfortunately, they don't look 
very different from each other. This is unfortunate because it gives me 
no more of an explanation for why one of them is running the way it is. 
The only processes that show a great amount of activity our activity 
monitor and voiceover. There is another one that's called warmd and I 
don't know what it does. it isn't using any CPU but I just wonder about 
it, because it's owned by nobody.


I purchased cocktail, and I'm very glad I did. I have run it on both 
minis and done some tweaking, but it hasn't changed the situation on 
the one that is sick. It still runs extremely erratically, and 
voiceover cannot speak more than a few syllables without being cut off. 
Everything is still busy, even if the only thing running his finder. 
I'm starting to wonder if there's something going on with the hardware. 
It seems very sudden, but it's the only conclusion I have left.



Kristeen



On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:01 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:


Cocktail is an app that allows you to tweak some things, it will also 
do things like clear your cache.
You can look at the processes on your mac by going in to activity 
monitor, you will find it in the utilities folder.

Original message:

Mike, What is cocktail exactly?


Also, how can I learn more about the processes on the Mac and what they 
do. I am curious about the comparisons between the PC processes, which 
I know like the back of my hand, and the Mac side of the coin, which is 
all still very new to me.




Kristeen
On Nov 28, 2012, at 11:35 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:


If anyone is curious, I was able to figure this out. Even when I only 
had finder running, voiceover would still say there were 2 running 
apps. The notification center is considered an app, even though you 
cannot command tab to it, or select it from the dock. Since I never use 
this feature, I used an application called cocktail to disable it, now 
the number of running applications is spoken correctly.



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RE: figured out the issue with voice over saying the wrong number of apps in mountain lion

2012-11-30 Thread Daniel Miller
I just looked at my activity monitor, and I don't have that warmd process.
I'm using a 2012 macbook air.

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:55 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: figured out the issue with voice over saying the wrong number
of apps in mountain lion

A hardware issue is possible, I'm trying to remember if warmd is a normal
process, it doesn't come to mind, you might try ending it with command
option q. I wonder if the display port is actually having problems. Here's
another thought, if you're running lion or mountain lion on the mini that's
having problems, try booting in to recovery. 
Does voiceover have problems there? If so, you can be pretty sure that it's
not a process causing the problem.
Original message:
> Mike, it has taken me a while but I have finally been able to compare 
> my two Mac Minis with activity monitor. Unfortunately, they don't look 
> very different from each other. This is unfortunate because it gives 
> me no more of an explanation for why one of them is running the way it is.
> The only processes that show a great amount of activity our activity 
> monitor and voiceover. There is another one that's called warmd and I 
> don't know what it does. it isn't using any CPU but I just wonder 
> about it, because it's owned by nobody.

> I purchased cocktail, and I'm very glad I did. I have run it on both 
> minis and done some tweaking, but it hasn't changed the situation on 
> the one that is sick. It still runs extremely erratically, and 
> voiceover cannot speak more than a few syllables without being cut off.
> Everything is still busy, even if the only thing running his finder. 
> I'm starting to wonder if there's something going on with the hardware. 
> It seems very sudden, but it's the only conclusion I have left.

> Kristeen

> On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:01 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

>> Cocktail is an app that allows you to tweak some things, it will also 
>> do things like clear your cache.
>> You can look at the processes on your mac by going in to activity 
>> monitor, you will find it in the utilities folder.
>> Original message:
>>> Mike, What is cocktail exactly?

>>> Also, how can I learn more about the processes on the Mac and what 
>>> they do. I am curious about the comparisons between the PC 
>>> processes, which I know like the back of my hand, and the Mac side 
>>> of the coin, which is all still very new to me.


>>> Kristeen
>>> On Nov 28, 2012, at 11:35 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

 If anyone is curious, I was able to figure this out. Even when I 
 only had finder running, voiceover would still say there were 2 
 running apps. The notification center is considered an app, even 
 though you cannot command tab to it, or select it from the dock. 
 Since I never use this feature, I used an application called 
 cocktail to disable it, now the number of running applications is
spoken correctly.

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Re: Safari acting strangely

2012-11-30 Thread Rahul Bajaj
Please suggest something guys, this problem is really getting
difficult to deal with.

On 30/11/2012, Rahul Bajaj  wrote:
> Thanks Colin -- that did the job perfectly.
> Can you suggest anything for the other problem, my friend?
>
> On 29/11/2012, Red.Falcon  wrote:
>> Hi there!
>> Well for your progress loading problem just go to VO utility and select
>> the
>> web option in the table then the loading page tab and you will find the
>> place to either choose tone or nothing  button as yours is already set
>> speak
>> progress!
>> hth Colin
>>
>> On 29 Nov 2012, at 17:55, Rahul Bajaj  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Safari has been acting a bit strangely on my Mac lately.
>>> I have ML (10.8) on my Mac.
>>>
>>> The main issue is that the full screen mode automatically gets disabled.
>>> Due to this, the layout of the  toolbar changes and the back/forward
>>> buttons do not appear where they should.
>>> Even if I click on  the full screen button, after sometime  it then
>>> again  goes back to how it was before.
>>>   In addition, sometimes  after I press VO-down arrow on the HTML
>>> option to open a webpage it does get opened initially, but after a
>>> while it again takes me back to the menu which appears before you
>>> click on the HTML option.
>>>
>>> This has been happening only for the last few days and I don't know why.
>>> Can anyone suggest a way to fix this?
>>> Do I need to reset Safari or something?
>>>
>>> And, since we're talking about Safari, another annoying issue that I
>>> have been facing since I installed ML is that VoiceOver constantly
>>> keeps announcing the downloaded percentage of a webpage until it
>>> reaches 100%.
>>> This is very annoying, especially when my internet speed  is slow,
>>> because it's hard to keep waiting until it reaches 100% and the only
>>> way to use VO until then entails getting   constantly prompted by VO
>>> while I'm trying to find my way around on a webpage.
>>> Any suggestions, please?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Rahul
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Re: expense tracking software for the mac?

2012-11-30 Thread Eugenia Firth
Hi there
I use numbers for doing what you're talking about. I then export the file if I 
need to to excel. Since you're running a really small business here, it would 
seem to need the numbers would work for this. You wouldn't be doing large files 
for hours on end, so it wouldn't take that much time to input things I don't 
think

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 30, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> It will be for a business I have started, just myself and my driver at this 
> point. I suppose it would be for business, but very small. I just need to 
> track payments, both incoming and outgoing, and all that other finance stuff 
> I don't really understand yet. The accountant I am working with asked me to 
> find some accessible software similar to Quicken, so I am following up with 
> that. Ideally I could give her some kind of export from whatever app I use 
> which she could plug into Quicken (which her firm uses). Thanks. Also, please 
> let me know when the update to the software you mentioned is released so I 
> can take a look.
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 6:35 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Alex,
>> 
>> Will you be using this for personal use or for a business?  For personal 
>> use, SEE Finance is my choice.  However, I'd suggest waiting until version 
>> 1.0 comes out.  To be clear, they've had version starting with 0.whatever 
>> for a few years.  Entering transactions is clunky right now, but version 1 
>> is being totally re-written to fix this.  I have been working with the 
>> developers for about 2 years.  They labeled all of the buttons.  I've been a 
>> Quicken for Windows user and find that software terribly lacking in terms of 
>> accessibility.  SEE Finance shows great promise.  Right now, I download all 
>> of my transactions from my bank and for other accounts we own, and it's very 
>> easy to set up and is incredibly fast.  I'll provide more info if anybody 
>> wants it.
>> 
>> Les
>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 8:19 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I will soon have need of expense-tracking software and, of course, I'd
>>> like to keep it on the mac instead of needing Windows. I have zero
>>> experience in this field, but I was told to look into Quickbooks, I
>>> think it was. Is that accessible? If not, is there similar software
>>> that will work with Voiceover? Thanks.
>>> 
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Re: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera

2012-11-30 Thread Eugenia Firth
Thanks Daniel
I found it on the Apple store application on my iPhone. No problem.
Regards Gigi

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On Nov 30, 2012, at 6:46 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

> You have to do it through the apple store app, or online at store.apple.com.
> I believe you can also do it with facebook now too, but I'm  not sure.
> 
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Redeem iTunes gift cards with built in Mac camera
> 
> Hi Guys. 
> This brings up a question for me. I am interested in giving gift cards on
> iTunes. I saw where you can redeem them, but where do you go to give them?
> The only thing I found was giving them through Amazon somehow. 
> 
> Regards, 
> Gigi 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 29, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Mike M  wrote:
> 
>> The title says it all.
>>   I am posting this to both the Mac and iPhone lists since parties in
> both may find this helpful. 
>>   There is a feature in iTunes 11 that gives you the ability to redeem
> gift cards using the camera on the Mac. Sorry to any PC users out there,
> this is only supported on the Mac
>>   Check out a little more here.
> http://htb2.com/2012/11/29/redeem-itunes-giftcards-with-built-in-mac-camera/
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Mike 
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Re: Monitors for the mac mini

2012-11-30 Thread Marc Rocheleau
My main question is whether or not you can get a monitor with a
camera. I know the 21.5" monitors with the iMacs have one and are
equipped with a microphone too if I am correct? I was just wondering
if there was any way of getting something similar for a decent price
with a Mac mini, I guess.

Sorry, I wasn't really clear in my first e-mail post to the list.

-Marc


On 11/30/12, Bill Holton  wrote:
> Hi.
> Do you already have a monitor for another computer question is so why not
> just get a keyboard/monitor a beast which?
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 1:11 AM, Marc Rocheleau 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I am not sure whether or not to buy a new monitor for my mac mini but
>> was wondering if anyone had some recommendations. I should be getting
>> the computer in the next few weeks and have heard some of the benefits
>> of some mac monitors having a built-in camera but wasn't sure if this
>> was only with the iMac or if you could get separate monitors like
>> this.
>>
>> I came across the 27" Thunderbolt display but A) I am not willing to
>> spend that kind of cash on something I can't even see and B) It's way
>> too big for what I need anyway. My fiancee is really the only person
>> who would need this monitor so I'm looking to keep it relatively cheap
>> and around the 20" range. Built-in camera for facetime, OCR or even
>> iTunes gift card redeeming purposes would be nice too if that sort of
>> thing exists.
>>
>> Any help/advice would be grately appreciated! I just want to make sure
>> anything I potentially use runs smoothly with apple's ecosystem too.
>>
>> -Marc
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Re: Accessible shopping extension?

2012-11-30 Thread Christina C.
I am embarrassed but the problem that I have is that I cannot read my credit 
cards/debit cards. So, I always have my son read those to me. I also have him 
read/review my address and such to make sure there are no typos. I do not read 
braille. I was not taught braille as a child because I was able to make use of 
electronic magnifiers and we were overseas and there was no school for the 
blind. So, I am  seriously needing to learn braille but for now I make use of 
all the electronic  text I can. :) H, I wonder how my husband does that 
without our info being stolen.

Christina
Sent from Christina's iMac :)

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> Would this be the same as turning on all the autofill options in preferences? 
> I don't generally use that as I'm not all that interested in Safari storing 
> my personal data in some cache somewhere.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 11/29/12 3:31 PM, Harry Hogue wrote:
>> Christina,
>> 
>> There should be no problem entering credit card information on sites using 
>> Safari.  What kinds of problems do you find yourself having when attempting 
>> to complete purchases online?
>> 
>> I'm not familiar with an extension or plugin to allow the auto-completing of 
>> contact information or credit card numbers, but I'm always unsure about 
>> using such things, if they exist, because of security concerns.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Harry
>> 
>> On nov 29, 2012, at 12:12 p.m., "Christina C."  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I'm not actually sure what this type of app or safari extension is called. 
>>> My husband uses some sort of plug in with google chrome on his mac. When he 
>>> shops online it will automatically fill out his contact info and he chooses 
>>> which credit card he wants to use and he's done. It fill it all out for 
>>> him. Is there something like this that is accessible with VO. I use Safari 
>>> and I've never used google Chrome because I assume it isn't as accessible 
>>> as safari.
>>> 
>>> I am open to any solution that isn't super expensive. It does not 
>>> necessarily have to be a safari plugin. I always have to ask my 
>>> ten-year-old son to help me enter my credit card info and such. I would 
>>> like to be more independent.
>>> 
>>> Thanks so much,
>>> Christina
>>> Sent from Christina's iMac :)
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Re: Accessible shopping extension?

2012-11-30 Thread Mauricio Almeida
hello there.

May i give you a hint:

1:
ask him to read you all those numbers.
2: place them on a txt file somewhere you know.
3: change the extension of the file to something random, like .blah.
then, when you need just go to the file and change the extension to txt again, 
opening it and copying and pasting numbers from there.

what do you think?

mauricio
On Nov 30, 2012, at 12:14 PM, "Christina C."  wrote:

> I am embarrassed but the problem that I have is that I cannot read my credit 
> cards/debit cards. So, I always have my son read those to me. I also have him 
> read/review my address and such to make sure there are no typos. I do not 
> read braille. I was not taught braille as a child because I was able to make 
> use of electronic magnifiers and we were overseas and there was no school for 
> the blind. So, I am  seriously needing to learn braille but for now I make 
> use of all the electronic  text I can. :) H, I wonder how my husband does 
> that without our info being stolen.
> 
> Christina
> Sent from Christina's iMac :)
> 
> On Nov 29, 2012, at 9:51 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
> 
>> Would this be the same as turning on all the autofill options in 
>> preferences? I don't generally use that as I'm not all that interested in 
>> Safari storing my personal data in some cache somewhere.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 11/29/12 3:31 PM, Harry Hogue wrote:
>>> Christina,
>>> 
>>> There should be no problem entering credit card information on sites using 
>>> Safari.  What kinds of problems do you find yourself having when attempting 
>>> to complete purchases online?
>>> 
>>> I'm not familiar with an extension or plugin to allow the auto-completing 
>>> of contact information or credit card numbers, but I'm always unsure about 
>>> using such things, if they exist, because of security concerns.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Harry
>>> 
>>> On nov 29, 2012, at 12:12 p.m., "Christina C."  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 I'm not actually sure what this type of app or safari extension is called. 
 My husband uses some sort of plug in with google chrome on his mac. When 
 he shops online it will automatically fill out his contact info and he 
 chooses which credit card he wants to use and he's done. It fill it all 
 out for him. Is there something like this that is accessible with VO. I 
 use Safari and I've never used google Chrome because I assume it isn't as 
 accessible as safari.
 
 I am open to any solution that isn't super expensive. It does not 
 necessarily have to be a safari plugin. I always have to ask my 
 ten-year-old son to help me enter my credit card info and such. I would 
 like to be more independent.
 
 Thanks so much,
 Christina
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Merging Apple IDs

2012-11-30 Thread Jane
I have two different apple IDs, and I want to merge them to one address.  How 
cna I do this?

Jane



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advice wanted with respect to scanners

2012-11-30 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Okay,

Noramlly, I wouldn't even think of coming on here and asking this.  It would 
appear that I cannot get my Canon LiDE 60 collor flat bed scanner to work after 
doing a reinstall of 10.8.  So, which would y'all advise for a good OCR source? 
 A Camera type solution or flat bed scanner?  I have the latest version of VUE 
scan, and, it appears to be very different from the version I had gotten used 
to before.  What about the three in one priinter jobs; the 
printer/scanner/faxers?  Any of them any good for accessibility?  I'd actually 
almost prefer a camera type solution if I can spend little enough money.  
Thanks.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray
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RE: Merging Apple IDs

2012-11-30 Thread Daniel Miller
I don't think you can, unfortunately.

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I have two different apple IDs, and I want to merge them to one address.
How cna I do this?

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Re: Merging Apple IDs

2012-11-30 Thread Jane
Well, one problem is solved, at least, I have an extra ID, so I can set up my 
daughter with that for her calender--if I can figure how to fix that.

Jane




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> I don't think you can, unfortunately.
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> How cna I do this?
> 
> Jane
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Re: Merging Apple IDs

2012-11-30 Thread David Hole
I've been searching for such on the internet, but it's all impossible.

-David

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> How cna I do this?
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Jumping to the next mail in a conversation

2012-11-30 Thread Donovan Osborn
Hi Guys,

So when I am reading a conversation in Mail, I VO+J from the list view of 
messages to the content area. Read the message and then VO+J back to the list 
of messages, select the next message in the Conversation and VO+J back to the 
content viewing area again.
My question is if already in the content viewing area is there a key 
combination to just go to the next message without having to go back to the 
list view of messages each time?
Thanks guys.
Sincerely,

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My iPhone is slow on my WiFi network

2012-11-30 Thread David Hole
Hi folks.

Can maybe someone here help me how to solve this...
When I'm using my iPhone 4S on my home network, the internet
connection are very slow. I actually can't play youtube videos, and
loading web pages is also slow.
My computers, a MacBook Pro and one with windows works as they should.
When I go to other wifi's my phone works. When turning off my phone,
it also works.
It seemed that it worked when I rebooted the phone, but when I left
and came back, it seemed to have become bad again.
Have somenone here found the same issue?
On my computers, I can track such issues by using the command line,
but not on iPhones :-(

Hope there are a solution for this...
Thanx in advance.

Best regards David

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Re: Monitors for the mac mini

2012-11-30 Thread Alex Hall
Well, I don't know. It seems like it'd be cheaper to get a usb webcam and just 
set that up along with a monitor. This way you have a camera you can move 
around if you need to, or replace if it breaks. Besides, if monitors with 
cameras do exist, I bet they're expensive, more so than a cheap monitor and a 
cheap webcam. Yes, iMacs have cameras and microphones, but that is because 
Apple builds them and can integrate whatever they want to.
On Nov 30, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Marc Rocheleau  wrote:

> My main question is whether or not you can get a monitor with a
> camera. I know the 21.5" monitors with the iMacs have one and are
> equipped with a microphone too if I am correct? I was just wondering
> if there was any way of getting something similar for a decent price
> with a Mac mini, I guess.
> 
> Sorry, I wasn't really clear in my first e-mail post to the list.
> 
> -Marc
> 
> 
> On 11/30/12, Bill Holton  wrote:
>> Hi.
>> Do you already have a monitor for another computer question is so why not
>> just get a keyboard/monitor a beast which?
>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 1:11 AM, Marc Rocheleau 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> I am not sure whether or not to buy a new monitor for my mac mini but
>>> was wondering if anyone had some recommendations. I should be getting
>>> the computer in the next few weeks and have heard some of the benefits
>>> of some mac monitors having a built-in camera but wasn't sure if this
>>> was only with the iMac or if you could get separate monitors like
>>> this.
>>> 
>>> I came across the 27" Thunderbolt display but A) I am not willing to
>>> spend that kind of cash on something I can't even see and B) It's way
>>> too big for what I need anyway. My fiancee is really the only person
>>> who would need this monitor so I'm looking to keep it relatively cheap
>>> and around the 20" range. Built-in camera for facetime, OCR or even
>>> iTunes gift card redeeming purposes would be nice too if that sort of
>>> thing exists.
>>> 
>>> Any help/advice would be grately appreciated! I just want to make sure
>>> anything I potentially use runs smoothly with apple's ecosystem too.
>>> 
>>> -Marc
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please kindly disregard my last message about scanners

2012-11-30 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Hi,

I actually got my LiDE 60 collor flat bed scanner to work on 10.8.2.  Also, I 
was able to configure VUE scan so that it now behaves much like it did before.  
I will, however, need to consult the set up guide recommended here earlier in 
order to ensure my set up is in fact correct.  One thing I did notice is that 
now, VUE scan seems to offer auto rotation of scanned images, and, by 
implication, if you set up VUE scan so that it knows you're scanning text 
documents, and you set up an external editor to Text Edit, and if you activate 
auto rotation, there's a fair chance one would not even need Abby Fione Reader. 
 But, not quite sure yet.  

Thoughts?


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redeeming gift cards with camera: possible vo hints

2012-11-30 Thread Alex Hall
Hi all,
I just read an article about the new feature in iTunes that lets you redeem 
gift cards with the camera. Apparently, it includes vo hints to help blind 
users correctly position the card, and it sounds to me like it runs in real 
time, so no need to hold it there and try to get a picture. I'm really tempted 
to go get a gift card just to check out this feature, but my mini doesn't have 
a camera. So, if you try this out, leave vo on and see if you get walked 
through the process. Of course, let us know how it goes; i'm really, really 
curious now!


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RE: redeeming gift cards with camera: possible vo hints

2012-11-30 Thread Daniel Miller
Can you give a link to said article?

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Hi all,
I just read an article about the new feature in iTunes that lets you redeem
gift cards with the camera. Apparently, it includes vo hints to help blind
users correctly position the card, and it sounds to me like it runs in real
time, so no need to hold it there and try to get a picture. I'm really
tempted to go get a gift card just to check out this feature, but my mini
doesn't have a camera. So, if you try this out, leave vo on and see if you
get walked through the process. Of course, let us know how it goes; i'm
really, really curious now!


Have a great day,
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is lastPass Safari extension for MAC VO accessible?

2012-11-30 Thread Christina C.
Is lastPass for the MAC VO friendly. If not, is there another solution to the 
lastPass Safari Extension. .

Thanks so very much,
Christina

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Re: Accessible shopping extension?

2012-11-30 Thread Christina C.
Hmm, that is a good idea. I could also password protect the file? I've never 
password protected a file. I am sure it's not too difficult. 
Sent from Christina's iMac :)

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wrote:

> hello there.
> 
> May i give you a hint:
> 
> 1:
> ask him to read you all those numbers.
> 2: place them on a txt file somewhere you know.
> 3: change the extension of the file to something random, like .blah.
> then, when you need just go to the file and change the extension to txt 
> again, opening it and copying and pasting numbers from there.
> 
> what do you think?
> 
> mauricio

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Re: please kindly disregard my last message about scanners

2012-11-30 Thread Cheryl Homiak
I've never found the ocr done directly in vuescan to be as good as that done by 
Abbyy or Readiris but it won't hurt for you to try and see what you think.

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On Nov 30, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I actually got my LiDE 60 collor flat bed scanner to work on 10.8.2.  Also, I 
> was able to configure VUE scan so that it now behaves much like it did 
> before.  I will, however, need to consult the set up guide recommended here 
> earlier in order to ensure my set up is in fact correct.  One thing I did 
> notice is that now, VUE scan seems to offer auto rotation of scanned images, 
> and, by implication, if you set up VUE scan so that it knows you're scanning 
> text documents, and you set up an external editor to Text Edit, and if you 
> activate auto rotation, there's a fair chance one would not even need Abby 
> Fione Reader.  But, not quite sure yet.  
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
> 
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easy way to use iMessage on mac

2012-11-30 Thread Christina C.
Hi,

I find using the messaging app cumbersome on my Mac. When a message comes in, I 
have to VO over to the HTML area then use a key combo to get to end of HTML 
area then vo back a bit to hear last message sent to me. Then uninteract and VO 
to the area where I type my reply. Is there a quicker way?

Thanks so very much.
Christina
Sent from Christina's iMac :)

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Re: redeeming gift cards with camera: possible vo hints

2012-11-30 Thread Alex Hall
Sorry, I forgot that part! Here's the entire tweet, from @CultOfMac:
Dev Explains How He Made The Awesome New Gift Card Redeemer In iTunes 11 
http://cultm.ac/RoGCvo
On Nov 30, 2012, at 1:46 PM, "Daniel Miller"  wrote:

> Can you give a link to said article?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 12:46 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: redeeming gift cards with camera: possible vo hints
> 
> Hi all,
> I just read an article about the new feature in iTunes that lets you redeem
> gift cards with the camera. Apparently, it includes vo hints to help blind
> users correctly position the card, and it sounds to me like it runs in real
> time, so no need to hold it there and try to get a picture. I'm really
> tempted to go get a gift card just to check out this feature, but my mini
> doesn't have a camera. So, if you try this out, leave vo on and see if you
> get walked through the process. Of course, let us know how it goes; i'm
> really, really curious now!
> 
> 
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
> mehg...@gmail.com
> 
> 
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RE: redeeming gift cards with camera: possible vo hints

2012-11-30 Thread Daniel Miller
Lol it's ok. I'll look at it.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 1:06 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: redeeming gift cards with camera: possible vo hints

Sorry, I forgot that part! Here's the entire tweet, from @CultOfMac:
Dev Explains How He Made The Awesome New Gift Card Redeemer In iTunes 11
http://cultm.ac/RoGCvo On Nov 30, 2012, at 1:46 PM, "Daniel Miller"
 wrote:

> Can you give a link to said article?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 12:46 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: redeeming gift cards with camera: possible vo hints
> 
> Hi all,
> I just read an article about the new feature in iTunes that lets you 
> redeem gift cards with the camera. Apparently, it includes vo hints to 
> help blind users correctly position the card, and it sounds to me like 
> it runs in real time, so no need to hold it there and try to get a 
> picture. I'm really tempted to go get a gift card just to check out 
> this feature, but my mini doesn't have a camera. So, if you try this 
> out, leave vo on and see if you get walked through the process. Of 
> course, let us know how it goes; i'm really, really curious now!
> 
> 
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
> mehg...@gmail.com
> 
> 
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Re: is lastPass Safari extension for MAC VO accessible?

2012-11-30 Thread Agent086b
Hi, I think you will get varying opinions on this. I am using it, but I don't 
find it as easy to use as I did on the PC. But it is doable. 
Max.
On 01/12/2012, at 5:49 AM, Christina C.  wrote:

> Is lastPass for the MAC VO friendly. If not, is there another solution to the 
> lastPass Safari Extension. .
> 
> Thanks so very much,
> Christina
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Re: My iPhone is slow on my WiFi network

2012-11-30 Thread Rahul Bajaj
I face the same problem, David.
I hope somebody will be able to guide us.

Sent from my iPhone

On 30-Nov-2012, at 11:19 PM, David Hole  wrote:

> Hi folks.
> 
> Can maybe someone here help me how to solve this...
> When I'm using my iPhone 4S on my home network, the internet
> connection are very slow. I actually can't play youtube videos, and
> loading web pages is also slow.
> My computers, a MacBook Pro and one with windows works as they should.
> When I go to other wifi's my phone works. When turning off my phone,
> it also works.
> It seemed that it worked when I rebooted the phone, but when I left
> and came back, it seemed to have become bad again.
> Have somenone here found the same issue?
> On my computers, I can track such issues by using the command line,
> but not on iPhones :-(
> 
> Hope there are a solution for this...
> Thanx in advance.
> 
> Best regards David
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Re: redeeming gift cards with camera: possible vo hints

2012-11-30 Thread Kirsten Edmondson
So where exactly is the camera located on the MBP? I've never really thought 
about needing it, but if this idea really works, I love it! I'm presuming it's 
still a scratchcard right? I think you have to scratch the top of the gift card 
and then you get the number underneath, although having never done it myself 
because I can't read it, I'm not totally sure about that.

Kirsten 

Sent from my iPhone

On 30 Nov 2012, at 19:07, "Daniel Miller"  wrote:

> Lol it's ok. I'll look at it.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 1:06 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: redeeming gift cards with camera: possible vo hints
> 
> Sorry, I forgot that part! Here's the entire tweet, from @CultOfMac:
> Dev Explains How He Made The Awesome New Gift Card Redeemer In iTunes 11
> http://cultm.ac/RoGCvo On Nov 30, 2012, at 1:46 PM, "Daniel Miller"
>  wrote:
> 
>> Can you give a link to said article?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
>> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 12:46 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: redeeming gift cards with camera: possible vo hints
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I just read an article about the new feature in iTunes that lets you 
>> redeem gift cards with the camera. Apparently, it includes vo hints to 
>> help blind users correctly position the card, and it sounds to me like 
>> it runs in real time, so no need to hold it there and try to get a 
>> picture. I'm really tempted to go get a gift card just to check out 
>> this feature, but my mini doesn't have a camera. So, if you try this 
>> out, leave vo on and see if you get walked through the process. Of 
>> course, let us know how it goes; i'm really, really curious now!
>> 
>> 
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>> mehg...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
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Re: redeeming gift cards with camera: possible vo hints

2012-11-30 Thread Alex Hall
I believe the camera is centered above the screen when the pro is open. So, 
when it is closed, the camera would be in the middle, right at the front edge. 
I can confirm this if someone buys and sends me an Macbook. At the least, I am 
always happy to accept donations to the Awamba Fund which is, of course, the 
Alex Wants a MacBook Air fund. 
On Nov 30, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Kirsten Edmondson 
 wrote:

> So where exactly is the camera located on the MBP? I've never really thought 
> about needing it, but if this idea really works, I love it! I'm presuming 
> it's still a scratchcard right? I think you have to scratch the top of the 
> gift card and then you get the number underneath, although having never done 
> it myself because I can't read it, I'm not totally sure about that.
> 
> Kirsten 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 30 Nov 2012, at 19:07, "Daniel Miller"  wrote:
> 
>> Lol it's ok. I'll look at it.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
>> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 1:06 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: redeeming gift cards with camera: possible vo hints
>> 
>> Sorry, I forgot that part! Here's the entire tweet, from @CultOfMac:
>> Dev Explains How He Made The Awesome New Gift Card Redeemer In iTunes 11
>> http://cultm.ac/RoGCvo On Nov 30, 2012, at 1:46 PM, "Daniel Miller"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Can you give a link to said article?
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
>>> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 12:46 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: redeeming gift cards with camera: possible vo hints
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I just read an article about the new feature in iTunes that lets you 
>>> redeem gift cards with the camera. Apparently, it includes vo hints to 
>>> help blind users correctly position the card, and it sounds to me like 
>>> it runs in real time, so no need to hold it there and try to get a 
>>> picture. I'm really tempted to go get a gift card just to check out 
>>> this feature, but my mini doesn't have a camera. So, if you try this 
>>> out, leave vo on and see if you get walked through the process. Of 
>>> course, let us know how it goes; i'm really, really curious now!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Have a great day,
>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>>> mehg...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Accessible shopping extension?

2012-11-30 Thread Mauricio Almeida
you could, that is what i would have recommended you to do, but i don't have a 
how to right now to teach you.
but i would definitely save those in somewhere:) it will make your shopping 
experience easier!:D

mauricio
On Nov 30, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Christina C.  wrote:

> Hmm, that is a good idea. I could also password protect the file? I've never 
> password protected a file. I am sure it's not too difficult. 
> Sent from Christina's iMac :)
> 
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Mauricio Almeida  
> wrote:
> 
>> hello there.
>> 
>> May i give you a hint:
>> 
>> 1:
>> ask him to read you all those numbers.
>> 2: place them on a txt file somewhere you know.
>> 3: change the extension of the file to something random, like .blah.
>> then, when you need just go to the file and change the extension to txt 
>> again, opening it and copying and pasting numbers from there.
>> 
>> what do you think?
>> 
>> mauricio
> 
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Re: Abridged summary of macvisionaries@googlegroups.com - 97 Messages in 23 Topics

2012-11-30 Thread Jessica Carter
Hello List,

Anyone using a Refreshabraille   18 with a Mac?  The Braille display is working 
fine.  Just was wondering if there was a way to update firmware for it?  The 
display is about one and a half years old.  I don't use Windows anymore.
Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Jess

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Re: Jumping to the next mail in a conversation

2012-11-30 Thread Barry Abbott
Hi Donald. I simply  interact with the message column then interact with the 
message table. I have quick nave always turned on  in mail. I  press my right 
arrow to go from message to message. I hit enter and then right arrow to  read 
the message - if in a thread of messages I just hit the right arrow again to 
move to and read the next message.
I then close the message or thread with command+w and move or delete it.

One problem I do seem to encounter is that if the thread contains a large 
number of messages I can't seem to open them with the enter key. Sometimes 
command o works in this situation.

Hope this makes sense.

Perhaps someone more knowledgable then I can suggest a better way.

Barry 
On 2012-11-30, at 1:47 PM, Donovan Osborn  wrote:

> Hi Guys,
> 
> So when I am reading a conversation in Mail, I VO+J from the list view of 
> messages to the content area. Read the message and then VO+J back to the list 
> of messages, select the next message in the Conversation and VO+J back to the 
> content viewing area again.
> My question is if already in the content viewing area is there a key 
> combination to just go to the next message without having to go back to the 
> list view of messages each time?
> Thanks guys.
> Sincerely,
> 
> Donovan Osborn
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Headers in Pages and New TextEdit Window Containing Selection, Plus General Notes about TextEdit

2012-11-30 Thread Harry Hogue
Hello, everyone,

I thought some others might want to know, if you are not already aware, that 
the new TextEdit Window Containing Selection command does not reproduce things 
as faithfully as they otherwise could be reproduced.

A couple of examples:

1.  When selecting otherwise unreadable information and doing a new TextEdit 
Window Containing Selection command, while the header information is then 
readable, its formatting is not precisely preserved.  There is one line, which 
is fine, but then on the second line there is information on the left hand 
side, in the center, and on the right hand side.  TextEdit places these bits of 
text on their own lines and places then to the left, in the center, and on the 
right, as would otherwise be the case.  The issue comes, however, when putting 
this information into the header section of a new document (I translate 
documents, so I have to place the translation into the header with the 
formatting done correctly).  The Left justified, centered, and right justified  
text elements need to all be on the same line, and I have no idea how to 
accomplish this, but more importantly no awareness that this is what TextEdit 
was trying to represent by having the text all on separate lines.

Also, if a Word document is opened in TextEdit, bullet points are changed, 
along with minor formatting issues.  One, however, is not so minor.  It took 
centered text, which Voiceover will not report in Pages, and left justified it 
on TextEdit.

I learned the hard lesson today that I rely too much on TextEdit and not enough 
on Pages.  TextEdit likes to change certain elements that I do not want changed.

Does anyone have thoughts on the header issue?  Has anyone else come across 
this before?

Thanks,

Harry

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Re: is lastPass Safari extension for MAC VO accessible?

2012-11-30 Thread Teresa Cochran
Yes, it is. It's set up like a web page. It's just a little tricky, because you 
have to go to a frame to retrieve its messages. Any time you enter or change 
passwords, just go to the frame with command-VO-f and interact with it. You'll 
be prompted to save your info.

HtH,
Teresa


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> Is lastPass for the MAC VO friendly. If not, is there another solution to the 
> lastPass Safari Extension. .
> 
> Thanks so very much,
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Re: Abridged summary of macvisionaries@googlegroups.com - 97 Messages in 23 Topics

2012-11-30 Thread Scott Davert
Hi Jess.
To my knowledge, there is no way to do this on a Mac. Unless you run
Boot Camp or Fusion, but those both involve running Windows on your
mac, so I guess thats sort of cheating. LOL. Unless there is some sort
of updater for the Mac I'm not aware of?

Scott

On 11/30/12, Jessica Carter  wrote:
> Hello List,
>
> Anyone using a Refreshabraille   18 with a Mac?  The Braille display is
> working fine.  Just was wondering if there was a way to update firmware for
> it?  The display is about one and a half years old.  I don't use Windows
> anymore.
> Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Jess
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Re: expense tracking software for the mac?

2012-11-30 Thread Sarai Bucciarelli
I cannot figure out how to drag entries in to folders that I create. It's not a 
show stopper.

On Nov 29, 2012, at 8:54 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

> Thanks, I'll look into this one. Are there any accessibility caviats I
> should know about?
> 
> On 11/29/12, Sarai Bucciarelli  wrote:
>> Hi:
>> I use Checkbook Pro by Splasm Software.
>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 7:19 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I will soon have need of expense-tracking software and, of course, I'd
>>> like to keep it on the mac instead of needing Windows. I have zero
>>> experience in this field, but I was told to look into Quickbooks, I
>>> think it was. Is that accessible? If not, is there similar software
>>> that will work with Voiceover? Thanks.
>>> 
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Re: expense tracking software for the mac?

2012-11-30 Thread Sarai Bucciarelli
Checkbook Pro will be able to handle that.
On Nov 30, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

> It will be for a business I have started, just myself and my driver at this 
> point. I suppose it would be for business, but very small. I just need to 
> track payments, both incoming and outgoing, and all that other finance stuff 
> I don't really understand yet. The accountant I am working with asked me to 
> find some accessible software similar to Quicken, so I am following up with 
> that. Ideally I could give her some kind of export from whatever app I use 
> which she could plug into Quicken (which her firm uses). Thanks. Also, please 
> let me know when the update to the software you mentioned is released so I 
> can take a look.
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 6:35 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Alex,
>> 
>> Will you be using this for personal use or for a business?  For personal 
>> use, SEE Finance is my choice.  However, I'd suggest waiting until version 
>> 1.0 comes out.  To be clear, they've had version starting with 0.whatever 
>> for a few years.  Entering transactions is clunky right now, but version 1 
>> is being totally re-written to fix this.  I have been working with the 
>> developers for about 2 years.  They labeled all of the buttons.  I've been a 
>> Quicken for Windows user and find that software terribly lacking in terms of 
>> accessibility.  SEE Finance shows great promise.  Right now, I download all 
>> of my transactions from my bank and for other accounts we own, and it's very 
>> easy to set up and is incredibly fast.  I'll provide more info if anybody 
>> wants it.
>> 
>> Les
>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 8:19 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I will soon have need of expense-tracking software and, of course, I'd
>>> like to keep it on the mac instead of needing Windows. I have zero
>>> experience in this field, but I was told to look into Quickbooks, I
>>> think it was. Is that accessible? If not, is there similar software
>>> that will work with Voiceover? Thanks.
>>> 
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Re: Merging Apple IDs

2012-11-30 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

You know, I asked this same question to Apple a while back.

I don't think they can.  The man back in the days I spoke with certainly 
didn't know of a way.


Thank you kindly,

Christopher-Mark Gilland.
Founder of CLG Productions
- Original Message - 
From: "Jane" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 12:25 PM
Subject: Merging Apple IDs


I have two different apple IDs, and I want to merge them to one address. 
How cna I do this?


Jane



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captcha solving service for the mac.

2012-11-30 Thread Jessica Moss
Does anyone know if there's a captcha solving service for the mac yet?  I've 
done google searches for them and can't seem to find much, but found some tool 
of sort called Rumola, that I can't get up and running, so I'm really glad I 
didn't pay them after my free credits they give you run out.
  It's supposed to auto-fill them, but it never did what it was supposed to, so 
have no idea what to make of that, so if anyone knows of anything else, I'd 
appreciate your feedback, sense I really don't want to have to go back to my pc 
just to do this, and nothing else.

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Re: easy way to use iMessage on mac

2012-11-30 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Can you do like I did and set up a Messages activity in the voiceover utility, 
then under that activity, set up a few hotspots to quickly jump to the needed 
areas?  I'll admit I didn't use to use hotspots very frequently, but I've grown 
to where now, I practically swear by them!

Thank you kindly,

Christopher-Mark Gilland.
Founder of CLG Productions
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  From: Christina C. 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 2:01 PM
  Subject: easy way to use iMessage on mac


  Hi,


  I find using the messaging app cumbersome on my Mac. When a message comes in, 
I have to VO over to the HTML area then use a key combo to get to end of HTML 
area then vo back a bit to hear last message sent to me. Then uninteract and VO 
to the area where I type my reply. Is there a quicker way?


  Thanks so very much.
  Christina

  Sent from Christina's iMac :) 



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Re: easy way to use iMessage on mac

2012-11-30 Thread Red.Falcon
Hi there!
I use this method in Skype so it should work in iMessage!

When you get to the html area and use fn+VO+shift+right arrow to get to the 
last message!
When you are there just turn off cursor tracking with VO+shift+f3 then all you 
will need to do is arrow through the message that was last sent and then just 
start typing your reply and when you press return to send your message you 
should find yourself at the top of that message so just arrow through and wait 
for the reply and do the same again if needed arrow through and just start 
typing until you have finished that chat!
when you're done remember to turn cursor tracking back on with the same command 
as before to turn it off *smile*
It might sound a bit complicated but when you get used to it it works well!
HTH Colin

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> Can you do like I did and set up a Messages activity in the voiceover 
> utility, then under that activity, set up a few hotspots to quickly jump to 
> the needed areas?  I'll admit I didn't use to use hotspots very frequently, 
> but I've grown to where now, I practically swear by them!
> 
> Thank you kindly,
>  
> Christopher-Mark Gilland.
> Founder of CLG Productions
> - Original Message -
> From: Christina C.
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 2:01 PM
> Subject: easy way to use iMessage on mac
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I find using the messaging app cumbersome on my Mac. When a message comes in, 
> I have to VO over to the HTML area then use a key combo to get to end of HTML 
> area then vo back a bit to hear last message sent to me. Then uninteract and 
> VO to the area where I type my reply. Is there a quicker way?
> 
> Thanks so very much.
> Christina
> Sent from Christina's iMac :)
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Re: captcha solving service for the mac.

2012-11-30 Thread Brandon Olivares
Hello,

Not to advertise, but I run a captcha service that runs on any platform. It is 
called ZCaptcha, and you can find it here: http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha

It's all that I know of that works on the Mac. It is what I use myself.

Regards,
Brandon Olivares
Azavia Technologies
ZCaptcha — The Captcha Reader

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> Does anyone know if there's a captcha solving service for the mac yet?  I've 
> done google searches for them and can't seem to find much, but found some 
> tool of sort called Rumola, that I can't get up and running, so I'm really 
> glad I didn't pay them after my free credits they give you run out.
>  It's supposed to auto-fill them, but it never did what it was supposed to, 
> so have no idea what to make of that, so if anyone knows of anything else, 
> I'd appreciate your feedback, sense I really don't want to have to go back to 
> my pc just to do this, and nothing else.
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Re: captcha solving service for the mac.

2012-11-30 Thread Jessica Moss
I wouldn't consider that advertising; I welcome your feedback, so it's all 
good.  Thanx for the info, I'll look into that.
On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:43 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Not to advertise, but I run a captcha service that runs on any platform. It 
> is called ZCaptcha, and you can find it here: http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha
> 
> It's all that I know of that works on the Mac. It is what I use myself.
> 
> Regards,
> Brandon Olivares
> Azavia Technologies
> ZCaptcha — The Captcha Reader
> 
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:18 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
>> Does anyone know if there's a captcha solving service for the mac yet?  I've 
>> done google searches for them and can't seem to find much, but found some 
>> tool of sort called Rumola, that I can't get up and running, so I'm really 
>> glad I didn't pay them after my free credits they give you run out.
>>  It's supposed to auto-fill them, but it never did what it was supposed to, 
>> so have no idea what to make of that, so if anyone knows of anything else, 
>> I'd appreciate your feedback, sense I really don't want to have to go back 
>> to my pc just to do this, and nothing else.
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how to use external microphone in MacBook Pro?

2012-11-30 Thread Estelita
For those have MacBook Pro, just wondering how do you use external microphone, 
as it has no mic jack?

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Re: captcha solving service for the mac.

2012-11-30 Thread Mauricio Almeida
there is also
http://skipinput.com
its pretty neat:)
On Nov 30, 2012, at 9:11 PM, Jessica Moss  
wrote:

> I wouldn't consider that advertising; I welcome your feedback, so it's all 
> good.  Thanx for the info, I'll look into that.
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:43 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Not to advertise, but I run a captcha service that runs on any platform. It 
>> is called ZCaptcha, and you can find it here: http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha
>> 
>> It's all that I know of that works on the Mac. It is what I use myself.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Brandon Olivares
>> Azavia Technologies
>> ZCaptcha — The Captcha Reader
>> 
>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:18 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>>> Does anyone know if there's a captcha solving service for the mac yet?  
>>> I've done google searches for them and can't seem to find much, but found 
>>> some tool of sort called Rumola, that I can't get up and running, so I'm 
>>> really glad I didn't pay them after my free credits they give you run out.
>>>  It's supposed to auto-fill them, but it never did what it was supposed to, 
>>> so have no idea what to make of that, so if anyone knows of anything else, 
>>> I'd appreciate your feedback, sense I really don't want to have to go back 
>>> to my pc just to do this, and nothing else.
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Re: how to use external microphone in MacBook Pro?

2012-11-30 Thread Brandon Olivares
The headphone jack also serves as a line-in port. I believe in Sounds 
preferences, you can modify whether it is used as output or input.

If, like me, you always use headphones, then you can get a USB microphone, 
which works just as well.

Regards,
Brandon Olivares
Azavia Technologies
ZCaptcha — The Captcha Reader

On Nov 30, 2012, at 9:17 PM, "Estelita"  wrote:

> For those have MacBook Pro, just wondering how do you use external 
> microphone, as it has no mic jack?
> 
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Can't submit podcast to iTunes 11

2012-11-30 Thread Mike M
All,
I am trying to submit a new feed for my podcast but can't get the link 
in the podcast section of the iTunes store labeled "Submit a Podcast" to 
activate.
It makes the sound like it is loading but the screen doesn't change.
Can anyone replicate or figure out what's going on?
Thanks for any help!

Mike 

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Re: Merging Apple IDs

2012-11-30 Thread Dave

There is currently no way to merge 2 Apple IDs.


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Re: captcha solving service for the mac.

2012-11-30 Thread Angelo
well hang on to your hats because this is what is comeing next in the captcha 
world...; MotionCAPTCHA; Here's an interesting take on CAPTCHA:; MotionCAPTCHA 
is a jQuery CAPTCHA plugin; based on the HTML5 Canvas; Harmony procedural 
drawing tool; by Mr Doob and the; $1 Unistroke Gesture Regonizer algorithm; 
requiring users to sketch the shape they see in the canvas in order to submit 
a; form.; At the moment; it's just a proof-of-concept - it only uses 
client-side gesture recognition; and doesn't really have IE support - but the 
next releases will feature progressive; enhancement and the ability to use this 
in production environments as a serious CAPTCHA; What's next? if it's not hard 
enough...

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  From: Jessica Moss 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 PM
  Subject: captcha solving service for the mac.


  Does anyone know if there's a captcha solving service for the mac yet?  I've 
done google searches for them and can't seem to find much, but found some tool 
of sort called Rumola, that I can't get up and running, so I'm really glad I 
didn't pay them after my free credits they give you run out.
It's supposed to auto-fill them, but it never did what it was supposed to, 
so have no idea what to make of that, so if anyone knows of anything else, I'd 
appreciate your feedback, sense I really don't want to have to go back to my pc 
just to do this, and nothing else.

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Re: captcha solving service for the mac.

2012-11-30 Thread Jessica Moss
How were you able to get that to work?  That's the one I said I'd signed up 
for, and they gave me about 10 free credits that pretty much would expire in 
several days, like I'd use them within a matter of days; not to bash them, but 
that doesn't make any sense.
  I then installed the extension, and it wouldn't work for me.  So again, how 
were you able to get it to work for you?
On Nov 30, 2012, at 9:24 PM, Mauricio Almeida wrote:

> there is also
> http://skipinput.com
> its pretty neat:)
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 9:11 PM, Jessica Moss  
> wrote:
> 
>> I wouldn't consider that advertising; I welcome your feedback, so it's all 
>> good.  Thanx for the info, I'll look into that.
>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:43 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> Not to advertise, but I run a captcha service that runs on any platform. It 
>>> is called ZCaptcha, and you can find it here: http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha
>>> 
>>> It's all that I know of that works on the Mac. It is what I use myself.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Brandon Olivares
>>> Azavia Technologies
>>> ZCaptcha — The Captcha Reader
>>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:18 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
 Does anyone know if there's a captcha solving service for the mac yet?  
 I've done google searches for them and can't seem to find much, but found 
 some tool of sort called Rumola, that I can't get up and running, so I'm 
 really glad I didn't pay them after my free credits they give you run out.
  It's supposed to auto-fill them, but it never did what it was supposed 
 to, so have no idea what to make of that, so if anyone knows of anything 
 else, I'd appreciate your feedback, sense I really don't want to have to 
 go back to my pc just to do this, and nothing else.
 
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Re: captcha solving service for the mac.

2012-11-30 Thread Mauricio Almeida
because you didn't pay afterrds.
after the free credits, you have to login and pay like 2 dollars for 50 or 100 
credits, can't remember exactly.
and then it will work normally.

mauricio
On Nov 30, 2012, at 9:39 PM, Jessica Moss  
wrote:

> How were you able to get that to work?  That's the one I said I'd signed up 
> for, and they gave me about 10 free credits that pretty much would expire in 
> several days, like I'd use them within a matter of days; not to bash them, 
> but that doesn't make any sense.
>   I then installed the extension, and it wouldn't work for me.  So again, how 
> were you able to get it to work for you?
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 9:24 PM, Mauricio Almeida wrote:
> 
>> there is also
>> http://skipinput.com
>> its pretty neat:)
>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 9:11 PM, Jessica Moss  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I wouldn't consider that advertising; I welcome your feedback, so it's all 
>>> good.  Thanx for the info, I'll look into that.
>>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:43 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote:
>>> 
 Hello,
 
 Not to advertise, but I run a captcha service that runs on any platform. 
 It is called ZCaptcha, and you can find it here: 
 http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha
 
 It's all that I know of that works on the Mac. It is what I use myself.
 
 Regards,
 Brandon Olivares
 Azavia Technologies
 ZCaptcha — The Captcha Reader
 
 On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:18 PM, Jessica Moss  
 wrote:
 
> Does anyone know if there's a captcha solving service for the mac yet?  
> I've done google searches for them and can't seem to find much, but found 
> some tool of sort called Rumola, that I can't get up and running, so I'm 
> really glad I didn't pay them after my free credits they give you run out.
>  It's supposed to auto-fill them, but it never did what it was supposed 
> to, so have no idea what to make of that, so if anyone knows of anything 
> else, I'd appreciate your feedback, sense I really don't want to have to 
> go back to my pc just to do this, and nothing else.
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Issue with all mail folder in gmail.

2012-11-30 Thread Jessica Moss
Ok, I'm not really sure what the perpose of this folder is, but for some reason 
all my mail seems to be colecting here, and always redownloads there every time 
I relaunch mail, and it's driving me up the wall, sense I delete it multiple 
times and it never wants to go away.  Is there any way to fix this?

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Tagging someone on facebook

2012-11-30 Thread Stacey Robinson
Hi all,
Can someone tell me how to tag someone if I mention them in a status update on 
facebook?
Is there something special I need to do with VO.

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Re: expense tracking software for the mac?

2012-11-30 Thread Alex Hall
Well, I downloaded checkbook (not the pro version) and I like what I see so 
far. As I get more into exactly what I need, I'll probably grab the pro trial. 
Even the basic version looks neat though, and may serve me well enough, 
although I have not explored it fully yet. Thanks for the recommendation.
On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:13 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
wrote:

> Checkbook Pro will be able to handle that.
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
>> It will be for a business I have started, just myself and my driver at this 
>> point. I suppose it would be for business, but very small. I just need to 
>> track payments, both incoming and outgoing, and all that other finance stuff 
>> I don't really understand yet. The accountant I am working with asked me to 
>> find some accessible software similar to Quicken, so I am following up with 
>> that. Ideally I could give her some kind of export from whatever app I use 
>> which she could plug into Quicken (which her firm uses). Thanks. Also, 
>> please let me know when the update to the software you mentioned is released 
>> so I can take a look.
>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 6:35 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Alex,
>>> 
>>> Will you be using this for personal use or for a business?  For personal 
>>> use, SEE Finance is my choice.  However, I'd suggest waiting until version 
>>> 1.0 comes out.  To be clear, they've had version starting with 0.whatever 
>>> for a few years.  Entering transactions is clunky right now, but version 1 
>>> is being totally re-written to fix this.  I have been working with the 
>>> developers for about 2 years.  They labeled all of the buttons.  I've been 
>>> a Quicken for Windows user and find that software terribly lacking in terms 
>>> of accessibility.  SEE Finance shows great promise.  Right now, I download 
>>> all of my transactions from my bank and for other accounts we own, and it's 
>>> very easy to set up and is incredibly fast.  I'll provide more info if 
>>> anybody wants it.
>>> 
>>> Les
>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 8:19 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 I will soon have need of expense-tracking software and, of course, I'd
 like to keep it on the mac instead of needing Windows. I have zero
 experience in this field, but I was told to look into Quickbooks, I
 think it was. Is that accessible? If not, is there similar software
 that will work with Voiceover? Thanks.
 
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Re: how to use external microphone in MacBook Pro?

2012-11-30 Thread Alex Hall
If you use a regular microphone, such as a small desktop one or one built into 
a headset, it will not work. The mac needs a powered input source, like a 
line-in or powered microphone. You will need either a usb mic or a usb sound 
card into which you can plug the mic that the mac won't accept. These sound 
cards can be had for very little money, but if you are a serious audio 
professional, keep in mind that the input will not be as good as the 
microphone, but rather only as good as the digital converter inside the sound 
card.
On Nov 30, 2012, at 9:24 PM, Brandon Olivares  wrote:

> The headphone jack also serves as a line-in port. I believe in Sounds 
> preferences, you can modify whether it is used as output or input.
> 
> If, like me, you always use headphones, then you can get a USB microphone, 
> which works just as well.
> 
> Regards,
> Brandon Olivares
> Azavia Technologies
> ZCaptcha — The Captcha Reader
> 
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 9:17 PM, "Estelita"  wrote:
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>> For those have MacBook Pro, just wondering how do you use external 
>> microphone, as it has no mic jack?
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Re: how to use external microphone in MacBook Pro?

2012-11-30 Thread Brandon Olivares
Just to add to this: something I did when I was doing Internet radio shows and 
needed a good, hiss-free microphone was to get a cheap mixer with just a couple 
of inputs, and plug the microphone into that. then I had to get a USB converter 
from the mixer to the computer. It was the best solution for me at the time.

It all depends on what you are using it for.

Regards,
Brandon Olivares
Azavia Technologies
ZCaptcha — The Captcha Reader

On Nov 30, 2012, at 10:55 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> If you use a regular microphone, such as a small desktop one or one built 
> into a headset, it will not work. The mac needs a powered input source, like 
> a line-in or powered microphone. You will need either a usb mic or a usb 
> sound card into which you can plug the mic that the mac won't accept. These 
> sound cards can be had for very little money, but if you are a serious audio 
> professional, keep in mind that the input will not be as good as the 
> microphone, but rather only as good as the digital converter inside the sound 
> card.
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 9:24 PM, Brandon Olivares  
> wrote:
> 
>> The headphone jack also serves as a line-in port. I believe in Sounds 
>> preferences, you can modify whether it is used as output or input.
>> 
>> If, like me, you always use headphones, then you can get a USB microphone, 
>> which works just as well.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Brandon Olivares
>> Azavia Technologies
>> ZCaptcha — The Captcha Reader
>> 
>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 9:17 PM, "Estelita"  wrote:
>> 
>>> For those have MacBook Pro, just wondering how do you use external 
>>> microphone, as it has no mic jack?
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Re: captcha solving service for the mac.

2012-11-30 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
I don't mean to be rude, but why should we pay 18 cents per captcha just as a 
result of being blind?  Sighted people all day long can do these things without 
having to pay.

Isn't this kind of unfair to exclude blind people as doing it for free when 
there are services like Web Visum etc. that will do it for free?  Granted, they 
mainly only now work on Windows, for what it's worth, but the bottom line is, 
as long as you can access them, they're free.

Thank you kindly,

Christopher-Mark Gilland.
Founder of CLG Productions
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  From: Brandon Olivares 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:43 PM
  Subject: Re: captcha solving service for the mac.


  Hello,


  Not to advertise, but I run a captcha service that runs on any platform. It 
is called ZCaptcha, and you can find it here: http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha


  It's all that I know of that works on the Mac. It is what I use myself.


  Regards,
  Brandon Olivares
  Azavia Technologies
  ZCaptcha — The Captcha Reader


  On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:18 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:


Does anyone know if there's a captcha solving service for the mac yet?  
I've done google searches for them and can't seem to find much, but found some 
tool of sort called Rumola, that I can't get up and running, so I'm really glad 
I didn't pay them after my free credits they give you run out.
 It's supposed to auto-fill them, but it never did what it was supposed to, 
so have no idea what to make of that, so if anyone knows of anything else, I'd 
appreciate your feedback, sense I really don't want to have to go back to my pc 
just to do this, and nothing else.

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Re: captcha solving service for the mac.

2012-11-30 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
What makes Skipinput so quote: neet, if you don't mind me asking, as yes, 
captcha solving on the mac has been one of the major major downfalls of why I 
refuse to run the mac only, and always keep some form of Windows around.

Thank you kindly,

Christopher-Mark Gilland.
Founder of CLG Productions
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  Subject: Re: captcha solving service for the mac.


  there is also
  http://skipinput.com
  its pretty neat:)

  On Nov 30, 2012, at 9:11 PM, Jessica Moss  
wrote:


I wouldn't consider that advertising; I welcome your feedback, so it's all 
good.  Thanx for the info, I'll look into that.

On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:43 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote:


  Hello,


  Not to advertise, but I run a captcha service that runs on any platform. 
It is called ZCaptcha, and you can find it here: http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha


  It's all that I know of that works on the Mac. It is what I use myself.


  Regards,
  Brandon Olivares
  Azavia Technologies
  ZCaptcha — The Captcha Reader


  On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:18 PM, Jessica Moss  
wrote:


Does anyone know if there's a captcha solving service for the mac yet?  
I've done google searches for them and can't seem to find much, but found some 
tool of sort called Rumola, that I can't get up and running, so I'm really glad 
I didn't pay them after my free credits they give you run out.
 It's supposed to auto-fill them, but it never did what it was supposed 
to, so have no idea what to make of that, so if anyone knows of anything else, 
I'd appreciate your feedback, sense I really don't want to have to go back to 
my pc just to do this, and nothing else.

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Re: captcha solving service for the mac.

2012-11-30 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
You had better, be, kidding me!  I'd almost think that would be something the n 
f b or A C B etc. would not! let go through, or someone high up in the blind 
bit of resources.  Am I wrong?

Thank you kindly,

Christopher-Mark Gilland.
Founder of CLG Productions
  - Original Message - 
  From: Angelo 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:39 PM
  Subject: Re: captcha solving service for the mac.


  well hang on to your hats because this is what is comeing next in the captcha 
world...; MotionCAPTCHA; Here's an interesting take on CAPTCHA:; MotionCAPTCHA 
is a jQuery CAPTCHA plugin; based on the HTML5 Canvas; Harmony procedural 
drawing tool; by Mr Doob and the; $1 Unistroke Gesture Regonizer algorithm; 
requiring users to sketch the shape they see in the canvas in order to submit 
a; form.; At the moment; it's just a proof-of-concept - it only uses 
client-side gesture recognition; and doesn't really have IE support - but the 
next releases will feature progressive; enhancement and the ability to use this 
in production environments as a serious CAPTCHA; What's next? if it's not hard 
enough...

- Original Message - 
From: Jessica Moss 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:18 PM
Subject: captcha solving service for the mac.


Does anyone know if there's a captcha solving service for the mac yet?  
I've done google searches for them and can't seem to find much, but found some 
tool of sort called Rumola, that I can't get up and running, so I'm really glad 
I didn't pay them after my free credits they give you run out.
  It's supposed to auto-fill them, but it never did what it was supposed 
to, so have no idea what to make of that, so if anyone knows of anything else, 
I'd appreciate your feedback, sense I really don't want to have to go back to 
my pc just to do this, and nothing else.

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Re: how to use external microphone in MacBook Pro?

2012-11-30 Thread Chris Blouch
I did something similar but all analog with a simple SM58 mic to a small 
Mackie mixer and from that to the line input of the Mac. Worked fine 
with the mac doing the analog to digital conversion. As a bonus I had a 
couple channels on the Mackie to play with so I could add in the iPhone 
or another Mac's audio. Unfortunatly I don't have access to that mixer 
anymore as it belonged to somebody else so I picked up a little Art XLR 
to USB which works well but it lacks a good preamp, so the audio levels 
are pretty low. I'm thinking about buying a little XLR preamp to fix 
that up, or I have to speak louder into the mic.


CB

On 11/30/12 11:00 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote:
Just to add to this: something I did when I was doing Internet radio 
shows and needed a good, hiss-free microphone was to get a cheap mixer 
with just a couple of inputs, and plug the microphone into that. then 
I had to get a USB converter from the mixer to the computer. It was 
the best solution for me at the time.


It all depends on what you are using it for.

Regards,
Brandon Olivares
Azavia Technologies 
ZCaptcha — The Captcha Reader 

On Nov 30, 2012, at 10:55 PM, Alex Hall > wrote:


If you use a regular microphone, such as a small desktop one or one 
built into a headset, it will not work. The mac needs a powered input 
source, like a line-in or powered microphone. You will need either a 
usb mic or a usb sound card into which you can plug the mic that the 
mac won't accept. These sound cards can be had for very little money, 
but if you are a serious audio professional, keep in mind that the 
input will not be as good as the microphone, but rather only as good 
as the digital converter inside the sound card.
On Nov 30, 2012, at 9:24 PM, Brandon Olivares 
mailto:programmer2...@gmail.com>> wrote:


The headphone jack also serves as a line-in port. I believe in 
Sounds preferences, you can modify whether it is used as output or 
input.


If, like me, you always use headphones, then you can get a USB 
microphone, which works just as well.


Regards,
Brandon Olivares
Azavia Technologies 
ZCaptcha — The Captcha Reader 

On Nov 30, 2012, at 9:17 PM, "Estelita" > wrote:


For those haveMacBook Pro, just wondering how do you use external 
microphone, as it has no mic jack?


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how to use external microphone in MacBook Pro?

2012-11-30 Thread Estelita
Thank you guys for your reply on my query.
Actually, I just want to use external microphone in my MacBook when chatting on 
the Skype.
But sounds it's not that simple to do!

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Re: captcha solving service for the mac.

2012-11-30 Thread Brandon Olivares
With all due respect, but it is not a charity. Yes, perhaps it *should* be 
freely accessible to all, but the bottom line is that it costs me to have the 
captchas solved, and so in order to continue to operate, I must pass on that 
costs to the users. Our margins are not that large, so nearly all of that is 
directed to the workers of Amazon Turk for solving the captchas for us.

Perhaps you would also like to have free OCR software that works well, or free 
braille notetakers (after all, paper and pencil are much cheaper), etc.

Regards,
Brandon Olivares
Azavia Technologies
ZCaptcha — The Captcha Reader

On Nov 30, 2012, at 11:08 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
 wrote:

> I don't mean to be rude, but why should we pay 18 cents per captcha just as a 
> result of being blind?  Sighted people all day long can do these things 
> without having to pay.
>  
> Isn't this kind of unfair to exclude blind people as doing it for free when 
> there are services like Web Visum etc. that will do it for free?  Granted, 
> they mainly only now work on Windows, for what it's worth, but the bottom 
> line is, as long as you can access them, they're free.
>  
> Thank you kindly,
>  
> Christopher-Mark Gilland.
> Founder of CLG Productions
> - Original Message -
> From: Brandon Olivares
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:43 PM
> Subject: Re: captcha solving service for the mac.
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Not to advertise, but I run a captcha service that runs on any platform. It 
> is called ZCaptcha, and you can find it here: http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha
> 
> It's all that I know of that works on the Mac. It is what I use myself.
> 
> Regards,
> Brandon Olivares
> Azavia Technologies
> ZCaptcha — The Captcha Reader
> 
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:18 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
>> Does anyone know if there's a captcha solving service for the mac yet?  I've 
>> done google searches for them and can't seem to find much, but found some 
>> tool of sort called Rumola, that I can't get up and running, so I'm really 
>> glad I didn't pay them after my free credits they give you run out.
>>  It's supposed to auto-fill them, but it never did what it was supposed to, 
>> so have no idea what to make of that, so if anyone knows of anything else, 
>> I'd appreciate your feedback, sense I really don't want to have to go back 
>> to my pc just to do this, and nothing else.
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Re: captcha solving service for the mac.

2012-11-30 Thread Mauricio Almeida
you see, brandon, people think its easier to complain than to simply use 
solutions available and thank people for providing them while they aren't doing 
anything better.
good job and keep up the good work.
mauricio


On Dec 1, 2012, at 1:58 AM, Brandon Olivares  wrote:

> With all due respect, but it is not a charity. Yes, perhaps it *should* be 
> freely accessible to all, but the bottom line is that it costs me to have the 
> captchas solved, and so in order to continue to operate, I must pass on that 
> costs to the users. Our margins are not that large, so nearly all of that is 
> directed to the workers of Amazon Turk for solving the captchas for us.
> 
> Perhaps you would also like to have free OCR software that works well, or 
> free braille notetakers (after all, paper and pencil are much cheaper), etc.
> 
> Regards,
> Brandon Olivares
> Azavia Technologies
> ZCaptcha — The Captcha Reader
> 
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 11:08 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>  wrote:
> 
>> I don't mean to be rude, but why should we pay 18 cents per captcha just as 
>> a result of being blind?  Sighted people all day long can do these things 
>> without having to pay.
>>  
>> Isn't this kind of unfair to exclude blind people as doing it for free when 
>> there are services like Web Visum etc. that will do it for free?  Granted, 
>> they mainly only now work on Windows, for what it's worth, but the bottom 
>> line is, as long as you can access them, they're free.
>>  
>> Thank you kindly,
>>  
>> Christopher-Mark Gilland.
>> Founder of CLG Productions
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Brandon Olivares
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: captcha solving service for the mac.
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Not to advertise, but I run a captcha service that runs on any platform. It 
>> is called ZCaptcha, and you can find it here: http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha
>> 
>> It's all that I know of that works on the Mac. It is what I use myself.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Brandon Olivares
>> Azavia Technologies
>> ZCaptcha — The Captcha Reader
>> 
>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:18 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>>> Does anyone know if there's a captcha solving service for the mac yet?  
>>> I've done google searches for them and can't seem to find much, but found 
>>> some tool of sort called Rumola, that I can't get up and running, so I'm 
>>> really glad I didn't pay them after my free credits they give you run out.
>>>  It's supposed to auto-fill them, but it never did what it was supposed to, 
>>> so have no idea what to make of that, so if anyone knows of anything else, 
>>> I'd appreciate your feedback, sense I really don't want to have to go back 
>>> to my pc just to do this, and nothing else.
>>> 
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