Unlabeled Buttons in Newsrack?

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, all,

There are a number of unlabeled buttons in the Newsrack newsreader. Does anyone 
know what they are?

Thanks,
Teresa

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Re: Boot Camp and 10.8.2

[Phil Halton]

Harry, I'm pretty sure you'll have to actually "install" windows during the 
bootcamp process. Having it as a VMWare machine won't work for you there. I 
went through the whole bootcamp thing yesterday and it worked great. Now, 
I'm thinking of going the VMWare route. Can you tell me if it is easy to 
install windows via VMWare without sighted assistance?

Is VO up and talking through the process?


- Original Message - 
From: "Harry Hogue" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: Boot Camp and 10.8.2


Hi, that's good to know that it doesn't cost money.  I don't regret using 
VMware Fusion, since times call for having both operating systems running at 
the same time, but it's nice to know that this alternative option is also 
available.  if I have Windows already installed via a virtual machine, would 
I have to reinstall it, do you know?


Thanks.

Harry

On oct 5, 2012, at 8:05 p.m., Mauricio Almeida  
wrote:



hi harry,

booth camp does not cost money, except for what you pay for a legal copy 
of windows.

I found it to be definitely worth it.
Though i try to do it all on the mac, obviously, it is still good to have 
windows. it can come in handy.


mauricio
On Oct 4, 2012, at 10:44 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:


Harry,

I'm installing windows7 via bootcamp tommorrow morning. It looks quite 
straightforward, but sighted assistance is required for the windows 
install portion of the process as there is no screen reader support at 
that point.


You can read the installation and setup pdf for bootcamp to get familiar 
with the steps involved. And, for the windows7 install, I found a 
detailed, step-by-step guide for installing windows7 on Black Viper's 
website


www.blackviper.com

search his site for windows 7 install.

I'll no doubt be crowing about my new windows7 machine, or asking 
frantically for help and advice, depending whether it goes well or badly 
tomorrow.


P.S. if you want a microsoft word document of the bootcamp setup and 
installation guide I can send it to you via email - contact me offlist 
for that doc.


- Original Message - From: "Harry Hogue" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 8:10 PM
Subject: Boot Camp and 10.8.2


Hi all,

I was wondering how hard it is to install Boot Camp, if it costs money, 
and if it is worth it if i already ache VMware Fusion.  Waht are the 
advantages/disadvantages?  would it make the Windows side of my computer 
faster/more efficient to be running without the Mac portion running at 
the same time, for example?  I know others ahve provided instructions, so 
I could search for those threads, if instructions were provided about the 
best way to search the mail archives, as I don't know.


Also, my other question has to do with 10.8.2.  I wondered, since I know 
some of you ahve had issues with Voiceover in 10.8.2, owudl yo urecommend 
I upgrade from 10.8.1?  I am really wanting to improve my Spanish skills, 
but my Voiceover defaults to English each time I restart to English even 
though my system in in Spanish.  I would install 10.8.2 in Spanish to 
avoid this, but don't want to make VoiceOver unreliable if 10.8.2 is 
still pretty buggy.


Thanks for any help, and I hope this is all clear, being unrelated as 
both portiosn of the post are.


Regards,

harry

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Re: Boot Camp and 10.8.2

[Ray Foret Jr]

Did you have sighted assistance while going through the boot camp thingie 
yesterday?  My guess is that you got to a point in the windows installation 
where it came time to do the actual install of windows and you needed sighted 
help because no windows audio drivers were loaded yet.  Is that pretty much 
right?

I ain't done it myself, but, many have.  I believe it to be completely possible 
because of the way it works.  Voice Over won't guide you through the process;  
but, still, it can be done.  My advice, however, is not to listen to me but to 
others who have actually done it.  
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

On Oct 6, 2012, at 9:32 AM, "Phil Halton"  wrote:

> Harry, I'm pretty sure you'll have to actually "install" windows during the 
> bootcamp process. Having it as a VMWare machine won't work for you there. I 
> went through the whole bootcamp thing yesterday and it worked great. Now, I'm 
> thinking of going the VMWare route. Can you tell me if it is easy to install 
> windows via VMWare without sighted assistance?
> Is VO up and talking through the process?
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Harry Hogue" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 1:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Boot Camp and 10.8.2
> 
> 
> Hi, that's good to know that it doesn't cost money.  I don't regret using 
> VMware Fusion, since times call for having both operating systems running at 
> the same time, but it's nice to know that this alternative option is also 
> available.  if I have Windows already installed via a virtual machine, would 
> I have to reinstall it, do you know?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Harry
> 
> On oct 5, 2012, at 8:05 p.m., Mauricio Almeida  
> wrote:
> 
>> hi harry,
>> 
>> booth camp does not cost money, except for what you pay for a legal copy of 
>> windows.
>> I found it to be definitely worth it.
>> Though i try to do it all on the mac, obviously, it is still good to have 
>> windows. it can come in handy.
>> 
>> mauricio
>> On Oct 4, 2012, at 10:44 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>>> Harry,
>>> 
>>> I'm installing windows7 via bootcamp tommorrow morning. It looks quite 
>>> straightforward, but sighted assistance is required for the windows install 
>>> portion of the process as there is no screen reader support at that point.
>>> 
>>> You can read the installation and setup pdf for bootcamp to get familiar 
>>> with the steps involved. And, for the windows7 install, I found a detailed, 
>>> step-by-step guide for installing windows7 on Black Viper's website
>>> 
>>> www.blackviper.com
>>> 
>>> search his site for windows 7 install.
>>> 
>>> I'll no doubt be crowing about my new windows7 machine, or asking 
>>> frantically for help and advice, depending whether it goes well or badly 
>>> tomorrow.
>>> 
>>> P.S. if you want a microsoft word document of the bootcamp setup and 
>>> installation guide I can send it to you via email - contact me offlist for 
>>> that doc.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Harry Hogue" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 8:10 PM
>>> Subject: Boot Camp and 10.8.2
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I was wondering how hard it is to install Boot Camp, if it costs money, and 
>>> if it is worth it if i already ache VMware Fusion.  Waht are the 
>>> advantages/disadvantages?  would it make the Windows side of my computer 
>>> faster/more efficient to be running without the Mac portion running at the 
>>> same time, for example?  I know others ahve provided instructions, so I 
>>> could search for those threads, if instructions were provided about the 
>>> best way to search the mail archives, as I don't know.
>>> 
>>> Also, my other question has to do with 10.8.2.  I wondered, since I know 
>>> some of you ahve had issues with Voiceover in 10.8.2, owudl yo urecommend I 
>>> upgrade from 10.8.1?  I am really wanting to improve my Spanish skills, but 
>>> my Voiceover defaults to English each time I restart to English even though 
>>> my system in in Spanish.  I would install 10.8.2 in Spanish to avoid this, 
>>> but don't want to make VoiceOver unreliable if 10.8.2 is still pretty buggy.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any help, and I hope this is all clear, being unrelated as both 
>>> portiosn of the post are.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> harry
>>> 
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So What Are the New Features In Mail?

[Teresa Cochran]

I just updated OS X and noticed that the Mail app seems to want to reconfigure 
itself. It also indicates that there are "new features". Anyone discovered what 
these are? By the way, I haven't noticed any major changes to the interface.

Thanks,
teresa

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RE: Boot Camp and 10.8.2

[Tommy Craig]

If you already have Windows installed via bootcamp, you can then install VM
Fussion and just point to the boot camp partition as your virtual machine.
You don't have to reinstall Windows. Unfortunately this does not work the
other way around. You can not use a virtual machine that has already been
set up on a boot camp partition. 

Tommy


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Halton
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 9:32 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Boot Camp and 10.8.2


Harry, I'm pretty sure you'll have to actually "install" windows during the 
bootcamp process. Having it as a VMWare machine won't work for you there. I 
went through the whole bootcamp thing yesterday and it worked great. Now, 
I'm thinking of going the VMWare route. Can you tell me if it is easy to 
install windows via VMWare without sighted assistance?
Is VO up and talking through the process?


- Original Message - 
From: "Harry Hogue" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: Boot Camp and 10.8.2


Hi, that's good to know that it doesn't cost money.  I don't regret using 
VMware Fusion, since times call for having both operating systems running at

the same time, but it's nice to know that this alternative option is also 
available.  if I have Windows already installed via a virtual machine, would

I have to reinstall it, do you know?

Thanks.

Harry

On oct 5, 2012, at 8:05 p.m., Mauricio Almeida 

wrote:

> hi harry,
>
> booth camp does not cost money, except for what you pay for a legal 
> copy
> of windows.
> I found it to be definitely worth it.
> Though i try to do it all on the mac, obviously, it is still good to have 
> windows. it can come in handy.
>
> mauricio
> On Oct 4, 2012, at 10:44 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>
>> Harry,
>>
>> I'm installing windows7 via bootcamp tommorrow morning. It looks 
>> quite
>> straightforward, but sighted assistance is required for the windows 
>> install portion of the process as there is no screen reader support at 
>> that point.
>>
>> You can read the installation and setup pdf for bootcamp to get 
>> familiar
>> with the steps involved. And, for the windows7 install, I found a 
>> detailed, step-by-step guide for installing windows7 on Black Viper's 
>> website
>>
>> www.blackviper.com
>>
>> search his site for windows 7 install.
>>
>> I'll no doubt be crowing about my new windows7 machine, or asking
>> frantically for help and advice, depending whether it goes well or badly 
>> tomorrow.
>>
>> P.S. if you want a microsoft word document of the bootcamp setup and
>> installation guide I can send it to you via email - contact me offlist 
>> for that doc.
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Harry Hogue" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 8:10 PM
>> Subject: Boot Camp and 10.8.2
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I was wondering how hard it is to install Boot Camp, if it costs 
>> money,
>> and if it is worth it if i already ache VMware Fusion.  Waht are the 
>> advantages/disadvantages?  would it make the Windows side of my computer 
>> faster/more efficient to be running without the Mac portion running at 
>> the same time, for example?  I know others ahve provided instructions, so

>> I could search for those threads, if instructions were provided about the

>> best way to search the mail archives, as I don't know.
>>
>> Also, my other question has to do with 10.8.2.  I wondered, since I 
>> know
>> some of you ahve had issues with Voiceover in 10.8.2, owudl yo urecommend

>> I upgrade from 10.8.1?  I am really wanting to improve my Spanish skills,

>> but my Voiceover defaults to English each time I restart to English even 
>> though my system in in Spanish.  I would install 10.8.2 in Spanish to 
>> avoid this, but don't want to make VoiceOver unreliable if 10.8.2 is 
>> still pretty buggy.
>>
>> Thanks for any help, and I hope this is all clear, being unrelated as
>> both portiosn of the post are.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> harry
>>
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new mac user

[Wayne Coles]

hello all i have just received my mbp and could some kind person please send me 
the link for the dropbox download as i am having trouble finding it on the 
dropbox site so any help would be most grateful thanks in advance   
 
Wayne Coles
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Re: So What Are the New Features In Mail?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Teresa,

>From my point of view, Mail in ML is inferior to what it was.

RSS has disappeared and when you reply to a message, it doesn't automatically 
send from the address that received the original message unless that message is 
in the In box. Otherwise, it sends from the default e-mail address.

Cheers,

Anne


On 6 Oct 2012, at 16:49, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> I just updated OS X and noticed that the Mail app seems to want to 
> reconfigure itself. It also indicates that there are "new features". Anyone 
> discovered what these are? By the way, I haven't noticed any major changes to 
> the interface.
> 
> Thanks,
> teresa
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Re: new mac user

[Ray Foret Jr]

Okay.  Here's a tip.  Drop Box will not present itself as a download;  Rather, 
you will notice a button on the page that says "install" that you press.  this 
will start everything for you.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

On Oct 6, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Wayne Coles  wrote:

> hello all i have just received my mbp and could some kind person please send 
> me the link for the dropbox download as i am having trouble finding it on the 
> dropbox site so any help would be most grateful thanks in advance 
>  
> Wayne Coles
> wayne...@gmail.com
> 
> 
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Re: Boot Camp and 10.8.2

[Mauricio Almeida]

hello phil,

when I did it was pretty straight forward, but there is a detail to watch out.

if you install it and use quick install, which is what I did, there will be a 
loint when you will press the finish button.
This does to mean your windows is installed, so if you take the cd out right 
there you're messed up and will need to start it all again.
after you press the finish button, ask a sighted person to peer at your screen 
to tell you when it is actually done.
the only thing they will actually do though is install your first screen reader 
on windows. as far os installing vmware will do it all.

thanks

mauricio
On Oct 6, 2012, at 10:32 AM, "Phil Halton"  wrote:

> Harry, I'm pretty sure you'll have to actually "install" windows during the 
> bootcamp process. Having it as a VMWare machine won't work for you there. I 
> went through the whole bootcamp thing yesterday and it worked great. Now, I'm 
> thinking of going the VMWare route. Can you tell me if it is easy to install 
> windows via VMWare without sighted assistance?
> Is VO up and talking through the process?
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Harry Hogue" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 1:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Boot Camp and 10.8.2
> 
> 
> Hi, that's good to know that it doesn't cost money.  I don't regret using 
> VMware Fusion, since times call for having both operating systems running at 
> the same time, but it's nice to know that this alternative option is also 
> available.  if I have Windows already installed via a virtual machine, would 
> I have to reinstall it, do you know?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Harry
> 
> On oct 5, 2012, at 8:05 p.m., Mauricio Almeida  
> wrote:
> 
>> hi harry,
>> 
>> booth camp does not cost money, except for what you pay for a legal copy of 
>> windows.
>> I found it to be definitely worth it.
>> Though i try to do it all on the mac, obviously, it is still good to have 
>> windows. it can come in handy.
>> 
>> mauricio
>> On Oct 4, 2012, at 10:44 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>>> Harry,
>>> 
>>> I'm installing windows7 via bootcamp tommorrow morning. It looks quite 
>>> straightforward, but sighted assistance is required for the windows install 
>>> portion of the process as there is no screen reader support at that point.
>>> 
>>> You can read the installation and setup pdf for bootcamp to get familiar 
>>> with the steps involved. And, for the windows7 install, I found a detailed, 
>>> step-by-step guide for installing windows7 on Black Viper's website
>>> 
>>> www.blackviper.com
>>> 
>>> search his site for windows 7 install.
>>> 
>>> I'll no doubt be crowing about my new windows7 machine, or asking 
>>> frantically for help and advice, depending whether it goes well or badly 
>>> tomorrow.
>>> 
>>> P.S. if you want a microsoft word document of the bootcamp setup and 
>>> installation guide I can send it to you via email - contact me offlist for 
>>> that doc.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Harry Hogue" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 8:10 PM
>>> Subject: Boot Camp and 10.8.2
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I was wondering how hard it is to install Boot Camp, if it costs money, and 
>>> if it is worth it if i already ache VMware Fusion.  Waht are the 
>>> advantages/disadvantages?  would it make the Windows side of my computer 
>>> faster/more efficient to be running without the Mac portion running at the 
>>> same time, for example?  I know others ahve provided instructions, so I 
>>> could search for those threads, if instructions were provided about the 
>>> best way to search the mail archives, as I don't know.
>>> 
>>> Also, my other question has to do with 10.8.2.  I wondered, since I know 
>>> some of you ahve had issues with Voiceover in 10.8.2, owudl yo urecommend I 
>>> upgrade from 10.8.1?  I am really wanting to improve my Spanish skills, but 
>>> my Voiceover defaults to English each time I restart to English even though 
>>> my system in in Spanish.  I would install 10.8.2 in Spanish to avoid this, 
>>> but don't want to make VoiceOver unreliable if 10.8.2 is still pretty buggy.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any help, and I hope this is all clear, being unrelated as both 
>>> portiosn of the post are.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> harry
>>> 
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Re: new mac user

[Wayne Coles]

hello ray thats the problem all i get when i go to dropbox is my folders so how 
do i get out of them to find the install link thanks
Wayne Coles
wayne...@gmail.com



On 6 Oct 2012, at 12:43, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> Okay.  Here's a tip.  Drop Box will not present itself as a download;  
> Rather, you will notice a button on the page that says "install" that you 
> press.  this will start everything for you.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Oct 6, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Wayne Coles  wrote:
> 
>> hello all i have just received my mbp and could some kind person please send 
>> me the link for the dropbox download as i am having trouble finding it on 
>> the dropbox site so any help would be most grateful thanks in advance
>>  
>> Wayne Coles
>> wayne...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: new mac user

[Ray Foret Jr]

Do you have an account, if so, that's where you press first.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

On Oct 6, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Wayne Coles  wrote:

> hello ray thats the problem all i get when i go to dropbox is my folders so 
> how do i get out of them to find the install link thanks  
> Wayne Coles
> wayne...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On 6 Oct 2012, at 12:43, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> Okay.  Here's a tip.  Drop Box will not present itself as a download;  
>> Rather, you will notice a button on the page that says "install" that you 
>> press.  this will start everything for you.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
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>> 
>>> hello all i have just received my mbp and could some kind person please 
>>> send me the link for the dropbox download as i am having trouble finding it 
>>> on the dropbox site so any help would be most grateful thanks in advance
>>> 
>>> Wayne Coles
>>> wayne...@gmail.com
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Re: new mac user

[Wayne Coles]

yes i signed in ok but all that comes up as far as i can tell is the normal 
dropbox folders so do i have to do something else and thanks for the help 
Wayne Coles
wayne...@gmail.com



On 6 Oct 2012, at 13:09, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> Do you have an account, if so, that's where you press first.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Oct 6, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Wayne Coles  wrote:
> 
>> hello ray thats the problem all i get when i go to dropbox is my folders so 
>> how do i get out of them to find the install link thanks 
>> Wayne Coles
>> wayne...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 6 Oct 2012, at 12:43, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>>> Okay.  Here's a tip.  Drop Box will not present itself as a download;  
>>> Rather, you will notice a button on the page that says "install" that you 
>>> press.  this will start everything for you.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> 
>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>> 
>>> Skype name:
>>> barefootedray
>>> 
>>> On Oct 6, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Wayne Coles  wrote:
>>> 
 hello all i have just received my mbp and could some kind person please 
 send me the link for the dropbox download as i am having trouble finding 
 it on the dropbox site so any help would be most grateful thanks in 
 advance   
 Wayne Coles
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Re: Boot Camp and 10.8.2

[Phil Halton]

Ray, Yes, I had sighted assistance.

I found a fairly tech competent person who had a few hours to kill and it took 
us 2 hours from start to finish.

That's from the time I started bootcamp assistant, through the actual windows7 
install, the install of apple support drivers, and finally installing jaws12. 
There's just no way around the need for sighted assistance in my opinion, but 
hey, sighted people aren't so bad ;-)


- Original Message - 
  From: Ray Foret Jr 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 10:47 AM
  Subject: Re: Boot Camp and 10.8.2


  Did you have sighted assistance while going through the boot camp thingie 
yesterday?  My guess is that you got to a point in the windows installation 
where it came time to do the actual install of windows and you needed sighted 
help because no windows audio drivers were loaded yet.  Is that pretty much 
right?


  I ain't done it myself, but, many have.  I believe it to be completely 
possible because of the way it works.  Voice Over won't guide you through the 
process;  but, still, it can be done.  My advice, however, is not to listen to 
me but to others who have actually done it.  

  Sincerely,
  The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!


  Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!


  Skype name:
  barefootedray


  On Oct 6, 2012, at 9:32 AM, "Phil Halton"  wrote:


Harry, I'm pretty sure you'll have to actually "install" windows during the 
bootcamp process. Having it as a VMWare machine won't work for you there. I 
went through the whole bootcamp thing yesterday and it worked great. Now, I'm 
thinking of going the VMWare route. Can you tell me if it is easy to install 
windows via VMWare without sighted assistance?
Is VO up and talking through the process?


- Original Message - From: "Harry Hogue" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: Boot Camp and 10.8.2


Hi, that's good to know that it doesn't cost money.  I don't regret using 
VMware Fusion, since times call for having both operating systems running at 
the same time, but it's nice to know that this alternative option is also 
available.  if I have Windows already installed via a virtual machine, would I 
have to reinstall it, do you know?

Thanks.

Harry

On oct 5, 2012, at 8:05 p.m., Mauricio Almeida 
 wrote:


  hi harry,

  booth camp does not cost money, except for what you pay for a legal copy 
of windows.
  I found it to be definitely worth it.
  Though i try to do it all on the mac, obviously, it is still good to have 
windows. it can come in handy.

  mauricio
  On Oct 4, 2012, at 10:44 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:


Harry,

I'm installing windows7 via bootcamp tommorrow morning. It looks quite 
straightforward, but sighted assistance is required for the windows install 
portion of the process as there is no screen reader support at that point.

You can read the installation and setup pdf for bootcamp to get 
familiar with the steps involved. And, for the windows7 install, I found a 
detailed, step-by-step guide for installing windows7 on Black Viper's website

www.blackviper.com

search his site for windows 7 install.

I'll no doubt be crowing about my new windows7 machine, or asking 
frantically for help and advice, depending whether it goes well or badly 
tomorrow.

P.S. if you want a microsoft word document of the bootcamp setup and 
installation guide I can send it to you via email - contact me offlist for that 
doc.

- Original Message - From: "Harry Hogue" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 8:10 PM
Subject: Boot Camp and 10.8.2


Hi all,

I was wondering how hard it is to install Boot Camp, if it costs money, 
and if it is worth it if i already ache VMware Fusion.  Waht are the 
advantages/disadvantages?  would it make the Windows side of my computer 
faster/more efficient to be running without the Mac portion running at the same 
time, for example?  I know others ahve provided instructions, so I could search 
for those threads, if instructions were provided about the best way to search 
the mail archives, as I don't know.

Also, my other question has to do with 10.8.2.  I wondered, since I 
know some of you ahve had issues with Voiceover in 10.8.2, owudl yo urecommend 
I upgrade from 10.8.1?  I am really wanting to improve my Spanish skills, but 
my Voiceover defaults to English each time I restart to English even though my 
system in in Spanish.  I would install 10.8.2 in Spanish to avoid this, but 
don't want to make VoiceOver unreliable if 10.8.2 is still pretty buggy.

Thanks for any help, and I hope this is all clear, being unrelated as 
both portiosn of the post are.

Regards,

harry

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Re: Boot Camp and 10.8.2

[Phil Halton]

Thanks Tommy, are there any problems with the latest version of VMWare 
Fusion? Do I just buy and install Fusion5 from the app store?



- Original Message - 
From: "Tommy Craig" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: RE: Boot Camp and 10.8.2


If you already have Windows installed via bootcamp, you can then install 
VM

Fussion and just point to the boot camp partition as your virtual machine.
You don't have to reinstall Windows. Unfortunately this does not work the
other way around. You can not use a virtual machine that has already been
set up on a boot camp partition.

Tommy


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Halton
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 9:32 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Boot Camp and 10.8.2


Harry, I'm pretty sure you'll have to actually "install" windows during 
the
bootcamp process. Having it as a VMWare machine won't work for you there. 
I

went through the whole bootcamp thing yesterday and it worked great. Now,
I'm thinking of going the VMWare route. Can you tell me if it is easy to
install windows via VMWare without sighted assistance?
Is VO up and talking through the process?


- Original Message - 
From: "Harry Hogue" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: Boot Camp and 10.8.2


Hi, that's good to know that it doesn't cost money.  I don't regret using
VMware Fusion, since times call for having both operating systems running 
at


the same time, but it's nice to know that this alternative option is also
available.  if I have Windows already installed via a virtual machine, 
would


I have to reinstall it, do you know?

Thanks.

Harry

On oct 5, 2012, at 8:05 p.m., Mauricio Almeida 



wrote:


hi harry,

booth camp does not cost money, except for what you pay for a legal
copy
of windows.
I found it to be definitely worth it.
Though i try to do it all on the mac, obviously, it is still good to have
windows. it can come in handy.

mauricio
On Oct 4, 2012, at 10:44 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:


Harry,

I'm installing windows7 via bootcamp tommorrow morning. It looks
quite
straightforward, but sighted assistance is required for the windows
install portion of the process as there is no screen reader support at
that point.

You can read the installation and setup pdf for bootcamp to get
familiar
with the steps involved. And, for the windows7 install, I found a
detailed, step-by-step guide for installing windows7 on Black Viper's
website

www.blackviper.com

search his site for windows 7 install.

I'll no doubt be crowing about my new windows7 machine, or asking
frantically for help and advice, depending whether it goes well or badly
tomorrow.

P.S. if you want a microsoft word document of the bootcamp setup and
installation guide I can send it to you via email - contact me offlist
for that doc.

- Original Message - From: "Harry Hogue"

To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 8:10 PM
Subject: Boot Camp and 10.8.2


Hi all,

I was wondering how hard it is to install Boot Camp, if it costs
money,
and if it is worth it if i already ache VMware Fusion.  Waht are the
advantages/disadvantages?  would it make the Windows side of my computer
faster/more efficient to be running without the Mac portion running at
the same time, for example?  I know others ahve provided instructions, 
so


I could search for those threads, if instructions were provided about 
the



best way to search the mail archives, as I don't know.

Also, my other question has to do with 10.8.2.  I wondered, since I
know
some of you ahve had issues with Voiceover in 10.8.2, owudl yo 
urecommend


I upgrade from 10.8.1?  I am really wanting to improve my Spanish 
skills,



but my Voiceover defaults to English each time I restart to English even
though my system in in Spanish.  I would install 10.8.2 in Spanish to
avoid this, but don't want to make VoiceOver unreliable if 10.8.2 is
still pretty buggy.

Thanks for any help, and I hope this is all clear, being unrelated as
both portiosn of the post are.

Regards,

harry

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Re: So What Are the New Features In Mail?

[Teresa Cochran]

Thanks. I was actually referring to the most recent update today.

Teresa

On Oct 6, 2012, at 9:42 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> Hello Teresa,
> 
> From my point of view, Mail in ML is inferior to what it was.
> 
> RSS has disappeared and when you reply to a message, it doesn't automatically 
> send from the address that received the original message unless that message 
> is in the In box. Otherwise, it sends from the default e-mail address.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 6 Oct 2012, at 16:49, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> 
>> I just updated OS X and noticed that the Mail app seems to want to 
>> reconfigure itself. It also indicates that there are "new features". Anyone 
>> discovered what these are? By the way, I haven't noticed any major changes 
>> to the interface.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> teresa
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Re: So What Are the New Features In Mail?

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi Teresa
I did notice one thing. Whwhen I  did re-configuration, there's a new sound. 
Did anybody get that?
On Oct 6, 2012, at 9:49 AM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> I just updated OS X and noticed that the Mail app seems to want to 
> reconfigure itself. It also indicates that there are "new features". Anyone 
> discovered what these are? By the way, I haven't noticed any major changes to 
> the interface.
> 
> Thanks,
> teresa
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RE: Boot Camp and 10.8.2

[Tommy Craig]

I haven't gotten around to upgrading to Fussion 5 yet but I haven't heard
anyone complaining about it. I've always downloaded it straight from the
VMWare website which can be a bit confusing. I'm not sure if it is available
in the app store. 

They also have a thirty day free trial available if your interested. 

Tommy


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Halton
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 12:52 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Boot Camp and 10.8.2


Thanks Tommy, are there any problems with the latest version of VMWare 
Fusion? Do I just buy and install Fusion5 from the app store?


- Original Message - 
From: "Tommy Craig" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: RE: Boot Camp and 10.8.2


> If you already have Windows installed via bootcamp, you can then 
> install
> VM
> Fussion and just point to the boot camp partition as your virtual machine.
> You don't have to reinstall Windows. Unfortunately this does not work the
> other way around. You can not use a virtual machine that has already been
> set up on a boot camp partition.
>
> Tommy
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Halton
> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 9:32 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Boot Camp and 10.8.2
>
>
> Harry, I'm pretty sure you'll have to actually "install" windows 
> during
> the
> bootcamp process. Having it as a VMWare machine won't work for you there. 
> I
> went through the whole bootcamp thing yesterday and it worked great. Now,
> I'm thinking of going the VMWare route. Can you tell me if it is easy to
> install windows via VMWare without sighted assistance?
> Is VO up and talking through the process?
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Harry Hogue" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 1:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Boot Camp and 10.8.2
>
>
> Hi, that's good to know that it doesn't cost money.  I don't regret 
> using VMware Fusion, since times call for having both operating 
> systems running at
>
> the same time, but it's nice to know that this alternative option is 
> also available.  if I have Windows already installed via a virtual 
> machine, would
>
> I have to reinstall it, do you know?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Harry
>
> On oct 5, 2012, at 8:05 p.m., Mauricio Almeida
> 
>
> wrote:
>
>> hi harry,
>>
>> booth camp does not cost money, except for what you pay for a legal 
>> copy of windows.
>> I found it to be definitely worth it.
>> Though i try to do it all on the mac, obviously, it is still good to have
>> windows. it can come in handy.
>>
>> mauricio
>> On Oct 4, 2012, at 10:44 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>
>>> Harry,
>>>
>>> I'm installing windows7 via bootcamp tommorrow morning. It looks 
>>> quite straightforward, but sighted assistance is required for the 
>>> windows install portion of the process as there is no screen reader 
>>> support at that point.
>>>
>>> You can read the installation and setup pdf for bootcamp to get 
>>> familiar with the steps involved. And, for the windows7 install, I 
>>> found a detailed, step-by-step guide for installing windows7 on 
>>> Black Viper's website
>>>
>>> www.blackviper.com
>>>
>>> search his site for windows 7 install.
>>>
>>> I'll no doubt be crowing about my new windows7 machine, or asking 
>>> frantically for help and advice, depending whether it goes well or 
>>> badly tomorrow.
>>>
>>> P.S. if you want a microsoft word document of the bootcamp setup and 
>>> installation guide I can send it to you via email - contact me 
>>> offlist for that doc.
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "Harry Hogue" 
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 8:10 PM
>>> Subject: Boot Camp and 10.8.2
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I was wondering how hard it is to install Boot Camp, if it costs 
>>> money, and if it is worth it if i already ache VMware Fusion.  Waht 
>>> are the advantages/disadvantages?  would it make the Windows side of 
>>> my computer faster/more efficient to be running without the Mac 
>>> portion running at the same time, for example?  I know others ahve 
>>> provided instructions, so
>
>>> I could search for those threads, if instructions were provided 
>>> about
>>> the
>
>>> best way to search the mail archives, as I don't know.
>>>
>>> Also, my other question has to do with 10.8.2.  I wondered, since I 
>>> know some of you ahve had issues with Voiceover in 10.8.2, owudl yo
>>> urecommend
>
>>> I upgrade from 10.8.1?  I am really wanting to improve my Spanish
>>> skills,
>
>>> but my Voiceover defaults to English each time I restart to English 
>>> even though my system in in Spanish.  I would install 10.8.2 in 
>>> Spanish to avoid this, but don't want to make VoiceOver unreliable 
>>> if 10.8.2 is still pretty buggy.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any help, and I hope this is all clear, being unrelated

Re: So What Are the New Features In Mail?

[Teresa Cochran]

In what context does this sound occur?

I noticed in the Message menu the following item: "reply with messages". Has 
that been there for awhile?

Speculating all over the place …

Teresa

On Oct 6, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Hi Teresa
> I did notice one thing. Whwhen I  did re-configuration, there's a new sound. 
> Did anybody get that?
> On Oct 6, 2012, at 9:49 AM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> 
>> I just updated OS X and noticed that the Mail app seems to want to 
>> reconfigure itself. It also indicates that there are "new features". Anyone 
>> discovered what these are? By the way, I haven't noticed any major changes 
>> to the interface.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> teresa
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very odd thing in mail

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
I was again working with a friend on his mac, and we started to tackle mail. 
Since his wife uses the computer more often, they set him up a smart mailbox to 
capture all his messages, but mail is primarily under her account. I suggested 
making him his own account on the mac, so that we can set up mail to work 
normally, remove the favorites bar in safari, let him add only his own 
favorites, and all that.

Now, the oddity. In my own mail, I hear something like this as I move through 
my inbox:
unread button, sender name, subject, timestamp
However, in my friend's smart mailbox, vo read things much more like a table:
blank, blank, blank, unread, sender name, subject, timestamp
and, if you interacted with the table, you could vo-left/right through these 
items, something I can't do in my own mail program. Is this strange behavior 
normal and my mail program is the oddity, or is it something to do with the 
smart mailbox? Once I get his mail set up in a fresh account on the mac, will 
it behave like that smart mailbox or like my own? I'd rather it be like mine, 
as I found his setup far too verbose and confusing (things read differently 
depending on if he interacted or not, and he's still new to the mac, so I'd 
rather not have to deal with details like that). Any suggestions would be 
helpful. Thanks.


Have a great day,
Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
mehg...@gmail.com



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Re: new mac user

[Ray Foret Jr]

Yes, click on the account link.  That's where you'll find it.  It's just a 
matter of looking more carefully at the page.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

On Oct 6, 2012, at 12:12 PM, Wayne Coles  wrote:

> yes i signed in ok but all that comes up as far as i can tell is the normal 
> dropbox folders so do i have to do something else and thanks for the help 
> Wayne Coles
> wayne...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On 6 Oct 2012, at 13:09, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> Do you have an account, if so, that's where you press first.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> On Oct 6, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Wayne Coles  wrote:
>> 
>>> hello ray thats the problem all i get when i go to dropbox is my folders so 
>>> how do i get out of them to find the install link thanks
>>> Wayne Coles
>>> wayne...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 6 Oct 2012, at 12:43, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
 Okay.  Here's a tip.  Drop Box will not present itself as a download;  
 Rather, you will notice a button on the page that says "install" that you 
 press.  this will start everything for you.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
 Skype name:
 barefootedray
 
 On Oct 6, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Wayne Coles  wrote:
 
> hello all i have just received my mbp and could some kind person please 
> send me the link for the dropbox download as i am having trouble finding 
> it on the dropbox site so any help would be most grateful thanks in 
> advance  
> Wayne Coles
> wayne...@gmail.com
> 
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speculation.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hello All.

I was very surprised to find an e-mail in my inbox from the ICloud Team to say 
all the customers who had been moved over from Mobile Me with a full 
subscription had a second year free subscription. I wonder if we will get 
another free year of subscription when the next expires in 2013?

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Re: PDFpen for iPhone is inaccessible

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi there guys
I got my sided husband to download PDFpen so that he could test it. Well, he's 
got a nice piece of software on his iPhone it's going to work just fine. 
Unfortunately, PDFpen is using double tap to get into the document to be chosen 
for editing. VoiceOver won't let us do it no matter what we do. The other thing 
is, you can't choose the fields to be edited with voiceover. It makes that 
sound that it makes for graphics, and I thought it was, until my husband 
pointed out that no it wasn't. So, I have no idea why you can't select data 
fields. And I'm truly disgusted we can't do it. Well, I guess we can write 
those guys again.
GG

Sent from my iPhone

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> I haven't had much success at all. I plan to get some sighted assistance to 
> find out exactly is being displayed and how a sighted person would interact 
> with the software. Then when I write smile, I can pass along details of 
> exactly how it isn't working. I couldn't even open a file when I first 
> downloaded the app, when double tapping on the file name, I got an edit 
> dialogue to rename. I was hoping I would be able to sign a document and 
> otherwise manipulate pdfs.
> - Original Message - From: "Emilio S. Hernandez" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 5:10 PM
> Subject: PDFpen for iPhone is inaccessible
> 
> 
>> Sadly, PDFpen for iPhone is not very accessible from my perspective.
>> Admitedly, my expectations were low, but to this degree is disparaging.
>> Here goes another letter writing exercise to smile software.
>> What are the impressions from those who purchased this all. App?
>> 
>> Sent from Emilio's  iPhone
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Re: So What Are the New Features In Mail?

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi Teresa
I got the sound when I told it yes for configuring.
Gigi

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On Oct 6, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

>In what context does this sound occur?
> 
> I noticed in the Message menu the following item: "reply with messages". Has 
> that been there for awhile?
> 
> Speculating all over the place …
> 
> Teresa
> 
> On Oct 6, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Teresa
>> I did notice one thing. Whwhen I  did re-configuration, there's a new sound. 
>> Did anybody get that?
>> On Oct 6, 2012, at 9:49 AM, Teresa Cochran  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I just updated OS X and noticed that the Mail app seems to want to 
>>> reconfigure itself. It also indicates that there are "new features". Anyone 
>>> discovered what these are? By the way, I haven't noticed any major changes 
>>> to the interface.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> teresa
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Re: So What Are the New Features In Mail?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

But it behaves in the same way as far as I can see at the moment.
On 6 Oct 2012, at 20:22, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Hi Teresa
> I got the sound when I told it yes for configuring.
> Gigi
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 6, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> 
>>   In what context does this sound occur?
>> 
>> I noticed in the Message menu the following item: "reply with messages". Has 
>> that been there for awhile?
>> 
>> Speculating all over the place …
>> 
>> Teresa
>> 
>> On Oct 6, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Teresa
>>> I did notice one thing. Whwhen I  did re-configuration, there's a new 
>>> sound. Did anybody get that?
>>> On Oct 6, 2012, at 9:49 AM, Teresa Cochran  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 I just updated OS X and noticed that the Mail app seems to want to 
 reconfigure itself. It also indicates that there are "new features". 
 Anyone discovered what these are? By the way, I haven't noticed any major 
 changes to the interface.
 
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RE: very odd thing in mail

[Bill Holton]

It's probably set up using Mail in classic view.  You can check on this in
the mail settings.



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-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 3:01 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: very odd thing in mail

Hi all,
I was again working with a friend on his mac, and we started to tackle mail.
Since his wife uses the computer more often, they set him up a smart mailbox
to capture all his messages, but mail is primarily under her account. I
suggested making him his own account on the mac, so that we can set up mail
to work normally, remove the favorites bar in safari, let him add only his
own favorites, and all that.

Now, the oddity. In my own mail, I hear something like this as I move
through my inbox:
unread button, sender name, subject, timestamp However, in my friend's smart
mailbox, vo read things much more like a table:
blank, blank, blank, unread, sender name, subject, timestamp and, if you
interacted with the table, you could vo-left/right through these items,
something I can't do in my own mail program. Is this strange behavior normal
and my mail program is the oddity, or is it something to do with the smart
mailbox? Once I get his mail set up in a fresh account on the mac, will it
behave like that smart mailbox or like my own? I'd rather it be like mine,
as I found his setup far too verbose and confusing (things read differently
depending on if he interacted or not, and he's still new to the mac, so I'd
rather not have to deal with details like that). Any suggestions would be
helpful. Thanks.


Have a great day,
Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
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Re: Boot Camp and 10.8.2

[Cheryl Homiak]

I'm not so nonchalant and forgiving about it. I can do the Apple part without 
sighted assistance; I can install on my Mac and install on linux on my own. But 
i can't install Windows by myself?! I do plan to bootcamp Windows 7 eventually 
but right now  I am in the process of installing it in vmware fusion, soley 
because Windows is the one system I use that doesn't allow me to install it on 
my own. i would prefer my choices to be really my choices, not ones forced on 
me by the inaccessibility of a system! But I am thankful that at least vmware 
does allow me to install Windows independently! At least it allowed me to 
install xp independently and I'm about to find out about Windows 7. And despite 
my unhappiness with the inaccessibility of the install, I really am looking 
forward to learning Windows 7 now that I've decided to finally leave xp behind!



-- 
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May the words of my mouth
and the meditation of my heart
be acceptable to You, Lord,
my rock and my Redeemer.
(Psalm 19:14 HCSB)



On Oct 6, 2012, at 12:48 PM, "Phil Halton"  wrote:

> Ray, Yes, I had sighted assistance.
>  
> I found a fairly tech competent person who had a few hours to kill and it 
> took us 2 hours from start to finish.
>  
> That's from the time I started bootcamp assistant, through the actual 
> windows7 install, the install of apple support drivers, and finally 
> installing jaws12. There's just no way around the need for sighted assistance 
> in my opinion, but hey, sighted people aren't so bad ;-)
>  
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Ray Foret Jr
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 10:47 AM
> Subject: Re: Boot Camp and 10.8.2
> 
> Did you have sighted assistance while going through the boot camp thingie 
> yesterday?  My guess is that you got to a point in the windows installation 
> where it came time to do the actual install of windows and you needed sighted 
> help because no windows audio drivers were loaded yet.  Is that pretty much 
> right?
> 
> I ain't done it myself, but, many have.  I believe it to be completely 
> possible because of the way it works.  Voice Over won't guide you through the 
> process;  but, still, it can be done.  My advice, however, is not to listen 
> to me but to others who have actually done it.  
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Oct 6, 2012, at 9:32 AM, "Phil Halton"  wrote:
> 
>> Harry, I'm pretty sure you'll have to actually "install" windows during the 
>> bootcamp process. Having it as a VMWare machine  won't work for you 
>> there. I went through the whole bootcamp thing yesterday and it worked 
>> great. Now, I'm thinking of going the VMWare route. Can you tell me if it is 
>> easy to install windows via VMWare without sighted assistance?
>> Is VO up and talking through the process?
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Harry Hogue" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 1:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: Boot Camp and 10.8.2
>> 
>> 
>> Hi, that's good to know that it doesn't cost money.  I don't regret using 
>> VMware Fusion, since times call for having both operating systems running at 
>> the same time, but it's nice to know that this alternative option is also 
>> available.  if I have Windows already installed via a virtual machine, would 
>> I have to reinstall it, do you know?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Harry
>> 
>> On oct 5, 2012, at 8:05 p.m., Mauricio Almeida  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> hi harry,
>>> 
>>> booth camp does not cost money, except for what you pay for a legal copy of 
>>> windows.
>>> I found it to be definitely worth it.
>>> Though i try to do it all on the mac, obviously, it is still good to have 
>>> windows. it can come in handy.
>>> 
>>> mauricio
>>> On Oct 4, 2012, at 10:44 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>> 
 Harry,
 
 I'm installing windows7 via bootcamp tommorrow morning. It looks quite 
 straightforward, but sighted assistance is required for the windows 
 install portion of the process as there is no screen reader support at 
 that point.
 
 You can read the installation and setup pdf for bootcamp to get familiar 
 with the steps involved. And, for the windows7 install, I found a 
 detailed, step-by-step guide for installing windows7 on Black Viper's 
 website
 
 www.blackviper.com
 
 search his site for windows 7 install.
 
 I'll no doubt be crowing about my new windows7 machine, or asking 
 frantically for help and advice, depending whether it goes well or badly 
 tomorrow.
 
 P.S. if you want a microsoft word document of the bootcamp setup and 
 installation guide I can send it to you via email - contact me offlist for 
 that doc.
 
 - Original Message - From: "Harry Hogue" 
 To: 
 Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 8:10 PM
 Subject: Boot Camp and 10.8.2
 
 
 Hi all,
 
 

face book

[Wayne Coles]

hello all sorry for going back on past threads but can anybody please give me 
step by step instructions on how to use face book with my mbp and how do i get 
it 
into notifications thanks in advance from a confused new user Wayne Coles
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Re: very odd thing in mail

[Alex Hall]

Ah, that may well be; I've only ever used standard view, so didn't check. 
Thanks.
On Oct 6, 2012, at 3:34 PM, "Bill Holton"  wrote:

> It's probably set up using Mail in classic view.  You can check on this in
> the mail settings.
> 
> 
> 
> BILL HOLTON
> Email:b...@bholton.com
> Direct:   386-624-6309
> Home Office:  1520 Loughton ST
>   DeLand, FL  32720
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 3:01 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: very odd thing in mail
> 
> Hi all,
> I was again working with a friend on his mac, and we started to tackle mail.
> Since his wife uses the computer more often, they set him up a smart mailbox
> to capture all his messages, but mail is primarily under her account. I
> suggested making him his own account on the mac, so that we can set up mail
> to work normally, remove the favorites bar in safari, let him add only his
> own favorites, and all that.
> 
> Now, the oddity. In my own mail, I hear something like this as I move
> through my inbox:
> unread button, sender name, subject, timestamp However, in my friend's smart
> mailbox, vo read things much more like a table:
> blank, blank, blank, unread, sender name, subject, timestamp and, if you
> interacted with the table, you could vo-left/right through these items,
> something I can't do in my own mail program. Is this strange behavior normal
> and my mail program is the oddity, or is it something to do with the smart
> mailbox? Once I get his mail set up in a fresh account on the mac, will it
> behave like that smart mailbox or like my own? I'd rather it be like mine,
> as I found his setup far too verbose and confusing (things read differently
> depending on if he interacted or not, and he's still new to the mac, so I'd
> rather not have to deal with details like that). Any suggestions would be
> helpful. Thanks.
> 
> 
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
> mehg...@gmail.com
> 
> 
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Re: Boot Camp and 10.8.2

[Phil Halton]

I think you'll like win7 alot compared to XP - I know I do.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Cheryl Homiak 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 3:52 PM
  Subject: Re: Boot Camp and 10.8.2


  I'm not so nonchalant and forgiving about it. I can do the Apple part without 
sighted assistance; I can install on my Mac and install on linux on my own. But 
i can't install Windows by myself?! I do plan to bootcamp Windows 7 eventually 
but right now  I am in the process of installing it in vmware fusion, soley 
because Windows is the one system I use that doesn't allow me to install it on 
my own. i would prefer my choices to be really my choices, not ones forced on 
me by the inaccessibility of a system! But I am thankful that at least vmware 
does allow me to install Windows independently! At least it allowed me to 
install xp independently and I'm about to find out about Windows 7. And despite 
my unhappiness with the inaccessibility of the install, I really am looking 
forward to learning Windows 7 now that I've decided to finally leave xp behind!






  -- 
  Cheryl


  May the words of my mouth
  and the meditation of my heart
  be acceptable to You, Lord,
  my rock and my Redeemer.
  (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)





  On Oct 6, 2012, at 12:48 PM, "Phil Halton"  wrote:


Ray, Yes, I had sighted assistance.

I found a fairly tech competent person who had a few hours to kill and it 
took us 2 hours from start to finish.

That's from the time I started bootcamp assistant, through the actual 
windows7 install, the install of apple support drivers, and finally installing 
jaws12. There's just no way around the need for sighted assistance in my 
opinion, but hey, sighted people aren't so bad ;-)


- Original Message -
  From: Ray Foret Jr
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 10:47 AM
  Subject: Re: Boot Camp and 10.8.2


  Did you have sighted assistance while going through the boot camp thingie 
yesterday?  My guess is that you got to a point in the windows installation 
where it came time to do the actual install of windows and you needed sighted 
help because no windows audio drivers were loaded yet.  Is that pretty much 
right?


  I ain't done it myself, but, many have.  I believe it to be completely 
possible because of the way it works.  Voice Over won't guide you through the 
process;  but, still, it can be done.  My advice, however, is not to listen to 
me but to others who have actually done it.  

  Sincerely,
  The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!


  Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!


  Skype name:
  barefootedray


  On Oct 6, 2012, at 9:32 AM, "Phil Halton"  wrote:


Harry, I'm pretty sure you'll have to actually "install" windows during 
the bootcamp process. Having it as a VMWare machine  won't work for you 
there. I went through the whole bootcamp thing yesterday and it worked great. 
Now, I'm thinking of going the VMWare route. Can you tell me if it is easy to 
install windows via VMWare without sighted assistance?
Is VO up and talking through the process?


- Original Message - From: "Harry Hogue" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: Boot Camp and 10.8.2


Hi, that's good to know that it doesn't cost money.  I don't regret 
using VMware Fusion, since times call for having both operating systems running 
at the same time, but it's nice to know that this alternative option is also 
available.  if I have Windows already installed via a virtual machine, would I 
have to reinstall it, do you know?

Thanks.

Harry

On oct 5, 2012, at 8:05 p.m., Mauricio Almeida 
 wrote:


  hi harry,

  booth camp does not cost money, except for what you pay for a legal 
copy of windows.
  I found it to be definitely worth it.
  Though i try to do it all on the mac, obviously, it is still good to 
have windows. it can come in handy.

  mauricio
  On Oct 4, 2012, at 10:44 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:


Harry,

I'm installing windows7 via bootcamp tommorrow morning. It looks 
quite straightforward, but sighted assistance is required for the windows 
install portion of the process as there is no screen reader support at that 
point.

You can read the installation and setup pdf for bootcamp to get 
familiar with the steps involved. And, for the windows7 install, I found a 
detailed, step-by-step guide for installing windows7 on Black Viper's website

www.blackviper.com

search his site for windows 7 install.

I'll no doubt be crowing about my new windows7 machine, or asking 
frantically for help and advice, depending whether it goes well or badly 
tomorrow.

P.S. if you want a microsoft word document of the bootcamp setup 
and installatio

how to use the Notification Center

[Lisette Wesseling]

neilj   Hi:
This is a good article.
http://m.imore.com/notification-center-ultimate-guide

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macbook licensing

[Chris Bruinenberg]

Hi all.
I am in the process of selling my mac.
Do i need to give them anything because i upgraded it to mountain lion or will 
it be fine.

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Re: Boot Camp and 10.8.2

[Mauricio Almeida]

hello there,

if  you have any questions about seven, e-mail me privately. i will be more 
than glad to assist you in the transition, it is part of the consulting i did 
in brazil a few years back when seven came out.

best regards,

mauricio
On Oct 6, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:

> I'm not so nonchalant and forgiving about it. I can do the Apple part without 
> sighted assistance; I can install on my Mac and install on linux on my own. 
> But i can't install Windows by myself?! I do plan to bootcamp Windows 7 
> eventually but right now  I am in the process of installing it in vmware 
> fusion, soley because Windows is the one system I use that doesn't allow me 
> to install it on my own. i would prefer my choices to be really my choices, 
> not ones forced on me by the inaccessibility of a system! But I am thankful 
> that at least vmware does allow me to install Windows independently! At least 
> it allowed me to install xp independently and I'm about to find out about 
> Windows 7. And despite my unhappiness with the inaccessibility of the 
> install, I really am looking forward to learning Windows 7 now that I've 
> decided to finally leave xp behind!
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Cheryl
> 
> May the words of my mouth
> and the meditation of my heart
> be acceptable to You, Lord,
> my rock and my Redeemer.
> (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 6, 2012, at 12:48 PM, "Phil Halton"  wrote:
> 
>> Ray, Yes, I had sighted assistance.
>>  
>> I found a fairly tech competent person who had a few hours to kill and it 
>> took us 2 hours from start to finish.
>>  
>> That's from the time I started bootcamp assistant, through the actual 
>> windows7 install, the install of apple support drivers, and finally 
>> installing jaws12. There's just no way around the need for sighted 
>> assistance in my opinion, but hey, sighted people aren't so bad ;-)
>>  
>>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Ray Foret Jr
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 10:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: Boot Camp and 10.8.2
>> 
>> Did you have sighted assistance while going through the boot camp thingie 
>> yesterday?  My guess is that you got to a point in the windows installation 
>> where it came time to do the actual install of windows and you needed 
>> sighted help because no windows audio drivers were loaded yet.  Is that 
>> pretty much right?
>> 
>> I ain't done it myself, but, many have.  I believe it to be completely 
>> possible because of the way it works.  Voice Over won't guide you through 
>> the process;  but, still, it can be done.  My advice, however, is not to 
>> listen to me but to others who have actually done it.  
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> On Oct 6, 2012, at 9:32 AM, "Phil Halton"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Harry, I'm pretty sure you'll have to actually "install" windows during the 
>>> bootcamp process. Having it as a VMWare machine  won't work for you 
>>> there. I went through the whole bootcamp thing yesterday and it worked 
>>> great. Now, I'm thinking of going the VMWare route. Can you tell me if it 
>>> is easy to install windows via VMWare without sighted assistance?
>>> Is VO up and talking through the process?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Harry Hogue" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 1:31 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Boot Camp and 10.8.2
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi, that's good to know that it doesn't cost money.  I don't regret using 
>>> VMware Fusion, since times call for having both operating systems running 
>>> at the same time, but it's nice to know that this alternative option is 
>>> also available.  if I have Windows already installed via a virtual machine, 
>>> would I have to reinstall it, do you know?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Harry
>>> 
>>> On oct 5, 2012, at 8:05 p.m., Mauricio Almeida 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 hi harry,
 
 booth camp does not cost money, except for what you pay for a legal copy 
 of windows.
 I found it to be definitely worth it.
 Though i try to do it all on the mac, obviously, it is still good to have 
 windows. it can come in handy.
 
 mauricio
 On Oct 4, 2012, at 10:44 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
 
> Harry,
> 
> I'm installing windows7 via bootcamp tommorrow morning. It looks quite 
> straightforward, but sighted assistance is required for the windows 
> install portion of the process as there is no screen reader support at 
> that point.
> 
> You can read the installation and setup pdf for bootcamp to get familiar 
> with the steps involved. And, for the windows7 install, I found a 
> detailed, step-by-step guide for installing windows7 on Black Viper's 
> website
> 
> www.blackviper.com
> 
> search his site for windows 7 install.
> 
> I'll no doubt be crowing about my new windows7 machine, or asking 
> franticall

Re: face book

[Pam Francis]

Facebook is a pain to use on the MBP. I hope it beccomes more accessible. The 
iphone app has done some good things yet has broken the friends list. If they 
fix one thing, they break something else.

Pam Francis

On Oct 6, 2012, at 3:06 PM, Wayne Coles  wrote:

hello all sorry for going back on past threads but can anybody please give me 
step by step instructions on how to use face book with my mbp and how do i get 
it 
into notifications thanks in advance from a confused new user Wayne Coles
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Re: newbie tip: vo-u in webpages

[Lisette Wesseling]

HI Alex
Just to add to your explanation of the web rotar: if you set single key 
navigation to on, you don't even have to press vo-u. You can just press h for 
heading, and be immediately in the heading part of the rotar where you can 
repeat the h to move by headings, or use down arrow if you prefer. L is for 
links, b for buttons etc. I always use single key navigation that way and never 
the vo-u method now and it's really excellent. Sometimes I will press h and 
then flick up and down on my track pad by headings which I have just set using 
the h.
You probably knew about this already but just in case you didn't I thought you 
might like to play with it.
Lisette

On 3/10/2012, at 3:36 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Hi all,
> I'm back for another in my unintentional Newbie Tips series, where I explain 
> something I just found that I wish I'd known months ago.
> 
> This time it's the web rotor, available in any "html content" item. When vo 
> is focused in one of these, press vo-u to bring up the web rotor. Left and 
> right arrows will move you through the different items available (you can set 
> which ones you see in the vo utility under web). Each time you left/right 
> arrow to a category, vo tells you how many of that item are on the page. You 
> then use up and down arrows to move through the list of that item. For 
> instance, you might do a google search, then bring up the web rotor and arrow 
> to headings. Use up and down arrows in the headings list to move through your 
> search results. Pressing space or vo-space on any item will jump you to it, 
> but will not open it, even if it is a link. So, if you are arrowing along and 
> find a link in the rotor list, press space on it and vo will jump to it. You 
> must vo-space again to actually open the link.
> 
> This looks like a really neat tool and one I will certainly be using more now 
> that I know about it. As always, if I have made any errors, please correct me 
> so we don't have bad information getting spread around.
> 
> 
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
> mehg...@gmail.com
> 
> 
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selecting multiple items not in order?

[Kliphton]

Okay, I want to select a number of files, but there are some I don't want to
select, I know I can do down shift to select the first set, but how do I
skip a few, and add more to the list that are already selected?

 

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Re: selecting multiple items not in order?

[Chris Bruinenberg]

you need to interact with the list or column.
Then use control+command+option and space.
Next use vo+down arrow to the items you want to select and space with each one.

Thanks.
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On Oct 6, 2012, at 5:33 PM, "Kliphton"  wrote:

> Okay, I want to select a number of files, but there are some I don’t want to 
> select, I know I can do down shift to select the first set, but how do I skip 
> a few, and add more to the list that are already selected?
>  
> Kliphton Senior
> (Twitter&Skype) kliphton72
> (iMessage, facetime&email) kliph...@gmail.com
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Re: macbook licensing

[Alex Hall]

I ran into this with an older mac. It came with 10.6, but the owner upgraded it 
to 10.7 some months before selling it. As it does not have a recovery 
partition, and as the previous owner's iCloud downloaded the Lion update, I 
have no way to re-install Lion should I ever need to. I would make sure your 
mac has a recovery partition with ML already on it (as in no iCloud required), 
or throw in a thumb drive configured to act as a recovery drive. Google can 
give you more details, but you basically want to make sure the new owner has 
full access to a copy of ML so that your iCloud is not needed to re-download 
it. Other than that, do a clean install and you should be all set.
On Oct 6, 2012, at 5:53 PM, Chris Bruinenberg  wrote:

> Hi all.
> I am in the process of selling my mac.
> Do i need to give them anything because i upgraded it to mountain lion or 
> will it be fine.
> 
> Thanks.
> Chris Bruinenberg
> 
> cbrui...@gmail.com
> 
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Discovered something in Safari

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi guys.
I just discovered something while downloading books from BARD. Maybe some of 
you guys knew about this, but I sure didn't. Maybe somebody else here didn't 
know either. 

I had a problem downloading three of my books while on BARD. I had to go ahead 
and quit Safari, erase the old zip files, find the books again, and start over. 
I've never had this happen before, but their computer must have been having a 
problem. 

I had gotten my sighted husband to check the download progress because ours 
truly hadn't figured out how. He left the room, and I decided to try something. 
After pressing option command l and getting the list, I then got desperate and 
interacted with the title of one of them. And lo, when I pressed VO right 
arrow, there was the progress indicator. I ended up fixing my problem, so all's 
well. 

I also have just discovered, at least in Bard, that the return key is working 
instead of control option space on those links. This is definitely better than 
what has been happening with that command lately. Did it get changed or 
something? 

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Re: macbook licensing

[Chris Bruinenberg]

Hi alex,
Thanks, I do have a copy of it on a thumb drive.
I can hold down the command r to also get into the recovery options.
THanks for your help.

Thanks.
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> I ran into this with an older mac. It came with 10.6, but the owner upgraded 
> it to 10.7 some months before selling it. As it does not have a recovery 
> partition, and as the previous owner's iCloud downloaded the Lion update, I 
> have no way to re-install Lion should I ever need to. I would make sure your 
> mac has a recovery partition with ML already on it (as in no iCloud 
> required), or throw in a thumb drive configured to act as a recovery drive. 
> Google can give you more details, but you basically want to make sure the new 
> owner has full access to a copy of ML so that your iCloud is not needed to 
> re-download it. Other than that, do a clean install and you should be all set.
> On Oct 6, 2012, at 5:53 PM, Chris Bruinenberg  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all.
>> I am in the process of selling my mac.
>> Do i need to give them anything because i upgraded it to mountain lion or 
>> will it be fine.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> Chris Bruinenberg
>> 
>> cbrui...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
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Re: newbie tip: vo-u in webpages

[Alex Hall]

Thanks. I did know about that and I use it a lot, but it requires quicknav, 
which I tend to avoid when possible. Also, sometimes quicknav keys fump you out 
of the page, particularly form fields when they jump you to the location/search 
box. The vo-u command is more concise, faster to navigate, and will not move 
you to some other part of the screen. Of course, I do use single-key navigation 
a good deal, but the above annoyances have made me use the dedicated rotor 
keystroke more and more, especially on google.
On Oct 6, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Lisette Wesseling  
wrote:

> HI Alex
> Just to add to your explanation of the web rotar: if you set single key 
> navigation to on, you don't even have to press vo-u. You can just press h for 
> heading, and be immediately in the heading part of the rotar where you can 
> repeat the h to move by headings, or use down arrow if you prefer. L is for 
> links, b for buttons etc. I always use single key navigation that way and 
> never the vo-u method now and it's really excellent. Sometimes I will press h 
> and then flick up and down on my track pad by headings which I have just set 
> using the h.
> You probably knew about this already but just in case you didn't I thought 
> you might like to play with it.
> Lisette
> 
> On 3/10/2012, at 3:36 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I'm back for another in my unintentional Newbie Tips series, where I explain 
>> something I just found that I wish I'd known months ago.
>> 
>> This time it's the web rotor, available in any "html content" item. When vo 
>> is focused in one of these, press vo-u to bring up the web rotor. Left and 
>> right arrows will move you through the different items available (you can 
>> set which ones you see in the vo utility under web). Each time you 
>> left/right arrow to a category, vo tells you how many of that item are on 
>> the page. You then use up and down arrows to move through the list of that 
>> item. For instance, you might do a google search, then bring up the web 
>> rotor and arrow to headings. Use up and down arrows in the headings list to 
>> move through your search results. Pressing space or vo-space on any item 
>> will jump you to it, but will not open it, even if it is a link. So, if you 
>> are arrowing along and find a link in the rotor list, press space on it and 
>> vo will jump to it. You must vo-space again to actually open the link.
>> 
>> This looks like a really neat tool and one I will certainly be using more 
>> now that I know about it. As always, if I have made any errors, please 
>> correct me so we don't have bad information getting spread around.
>> 
>> 
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>> mehg...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
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boot camp

[Wayne Coles]

hello list i am trying to put boot camp on my mbp2012 and i have a windows7 cd 
here but i have no external drive do i have to one to do this and when trying 
to run boot camp assistant
it will not let me and it says something about iso so can it be done with just 
a win 7 cd and if so how so please any help at this point in time would be very 
helpful  
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Re: selecting multiple items not in order?

[Alex Hall]

I've never done this, but isn't there something about disabling cursor tracking 
in there somewhere? I'm not sure, but I thought people had talked about it in 
the past. Also, as a hint, vo-f6 will speak all the selected items so you can 
confirm what you selected before doing anything with the items.
On Oct 6, 2012, at 8:41 PM, Chris Bruinenberg  wrote:

> you need to interact with the list or column.
> Then use control+command+option and space.
> Next use vo+down arrow to the items you want to select and space with each 
> one.
> 
> Thanks.
> Chris Bruinenberg
> 
> cbrui...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 6, 2012, at 5:33 PM, "Kliphton"  wrote:
> 
>> Okay, I want to select a number of files, but there are some I don’t want to 
>> select, I know I can do down shift to select the first set, but how do I 
>> skip a few, and add more to the list that are already selected?
>>  
>> Kliphton Senior
>> (Twitter&Skype) kliphton72
>> (iMessage, facetime&email) kliph...@gmail.com
>> (Personal blog-read at your own risk!) http://kliphskorner.wordpress.com
>> (Life Journal) kliphton.wordpress.com
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Re: Discovered something in Safari

[Alex Hall]

Yes, that new cmd-option=l keystroke is really handy, I just wish the items 
were in a table instead of each item being a group that requires even more 
interaction. Also, the enter key seems random, and I have no idea if it's a vo 
thing, an osx thing, or a web coding thing on the part of the website being 
used at the time. I avoid it and use vo-space (made easier since I mapped caps 
lock to the vo keys) or the quicknav command.
On Oct 6, 2012, at 8:50 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Hi guys.
> I just discovered something while downloading books from BARD. Maybe some of 
> you guys knew about this, but I sure didn't. Maybe somebody else here didn't 
> know either. 
> 
> I had a problem downloading three of my books while on BARD. I had to go 
> ahead and quit Safari, erase the old zip files, find the books again, and 
> start over. I've never had this happen before, but their computer must have 
> been having a problem. 
> 
> I had gotten my sighted husband to check the download progress because ours 
> truly hadn't figured out how. He left the room, and I decided to try 
> something. After pressing option command l and getting the list, I then got 
> desperate and interacted with the title of one of them. And lo, when I 
> pressed VO right arrow, there was the progress indicator. I ended up fixing 
> my problem, so all's well. 
> 
> I also have just discovered, at least in Bard, that the return key is working 
> instead of control option space on those links. This is definitely better 
> than what has been happening with that command lately. Did it get changed or 
> something? 
> 
> Gigi
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Re: selecting multiple items not in order?

[Chris Bruinenberg]

nah, they got rid of that in Lion apparently.
I honestly haven't used a mac that long since about march or so.

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On Oct 6, 2012, at 5:56 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> I've never done this, but isn't there something about disabling cursor 
> tracking in there somewhere? I'm not sure, but I thought people had talked 
> about it in the past. Also, as a hint, vo-f6 will speak all the selected 
> items so you can confirm what you selected before doing anything with the 
> items.
> On Oct 6, 2012, at 8:41 PM, Chris Bruinenberg  wrote:
> 
>> you need to interact with the list or column.
>> Then use control+command+option and space.
>> Next use vo+down arrow to the items you want to select and space with each 
>> one.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> Chris Bruinenberg
>> 
>> cbrui...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 6, 2012, at 5:33 PM, "Kliphton"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Okay, I want to select a number of files, but there are some I don’t want 
>>> to select, I know I can do down shift to select the first set, but how do I 
>>> skip a few, and add more to the list that are already selected?
>>>  
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Re: macbook licensing

[Alex Hall]

Okay, so yours has a recovery partition then? I thought the newer macs did, but 
the one I got is from 2007 so I guess it's in its own category. :)
On Oct 6, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Chris Bruinenberg  wrote:

> Hi alex,
> Thanks, I do have a copy of it on a thumb drive.
> I can hold down the command r to also get into the recovery options.
> THanks for your help.
> 
> Thanks.
> Chris Bruinenberg
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 6, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> I ran into this with an older mac. It came with 10.6, but the owner upgraded 
>> it to 10.7 some months before selling it. As it does not have a recovery 
>> partition, and as the previous owner's iCloud downloaded the Lion update, I 
>> have no way to re-install Lion should I ever need to. I would make sure your 
>> mac has a recovery partition with ML already on it (as in no iCloud 
>> required), or throw in a thumb drive configured to act as a recovery drive. 
>> Google can give you more details, but you basically want to make sure the 
>> new owner has full access to a copy of ML so that your iCloud is not needed 
>> to re-download it. Other than that, do a clean install and you should be all 
>> set.
>> On Oct 6, 2012, at 5:53 PM, Chris Bruinenberg  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all.
>>> I am in the process of selling my mac.
>>> Do i need to give them anything because i upgraded it to mountain lion or 
>>> will it be fine.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> Chris Bruinenberg
>>> 
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Re: boot camp

[Alex Hall]

I don't have a link, but I did this on my mac mini 2012 with a thumb drive and 
a quick trip into the windows command line (of course, the windows pac must 
also have a cd drive). Just google something like "set up bootcamp with no cd 
drive" and you should find plenty of help. You could also get a usb disk drive, 
something you might find handy not just for this but for the occasional cd or 
dvd you find yourself needing to play for whatever reason.
On Oct 6, 2012, at 8:56 PM, Wayne Coles  wrote:

> hello list i am trying to put boot camp on my mbp2012 and i have a windows7 
> cd here but i have no external drive do i have to one to do this and when 
> trying to run boot camp assistant
> it will not let me and it says something about iso so can it be done with 
> just a win 7 cd and if so how so please any help at this point in time would 
> be very helpful
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Re: Discovered something in Safari

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi Alex.
Mine did say table when I got on the list of items. I didn't find it to be a 
problem, once I figured I had to interact. I only had to interact once for each 
download I was testing. 

Gigi

On Oct 6, 2012, at 7:59 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Yes, that new cmd-option=l keystroke is really handy, I just wish the items 
> were in a table instead of each item being a group that requires even more 
> interaction. Also, the enter key seems random, and I have no idea if it's a 
> vo thing, an osx thing, or a web coding thing on the part of the website 
> being used at the time. I avoid it and use vo-space (made easier since I 
> mapped caps lock to the vo keys) or the quicknav command.
> On Oct 6, 2012, at 8:50 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys.
>> I just discovered something while downloading books from BARD. Maybe some of 
>> you guys knew about this, but I sure didn't. Maybe somebody else here didn't 
>> know either. 
>> 
>> I had a problem downloading three of my books while on BARD. I had to go 
>> ahead and quit Safari, erase the old zip files, find the books again, and 
>> start over. I've never had this happen before, but their computer must have 
>> been having a problem. 
>> 
>> I had gotten my sighted husband to check the download progress because ours 
>> truly hadn't figured out how. He left the room, and I decided to try 
>> something. After pressing option command l and getting the list, I then got 
>> desperate and interacted with the title of one of them. And lo, when I 
>> pressed VO right arrow, there was the progress indicator. I ended up fixing 
>> my problem, so all's well. 
>> 
>> I also have just discovered, at least in Bard, that the return key is 
>> working instead of control option space on those links. This is definitely 
>> better than what has been happening with that command lately. Did it get 
>> changed or something? 
>> 
>> Gigi
>> 
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Re: Boot Camp and 10.8.2

[Wayne Coles]

hello i read your email and would like some help if you don't mind and to let 
you know i am very new and compleatly useless at the moment so any help would 
be helpful so step by step instructions from the desk top would be great or 
phase time me and i will hopefully be able to answer it so you can contact me 
using  my email address thanks in advance le  
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On 6 Oct 2012, at 18:36, Mauricio Almeida  wrote:

> hello there,
> 
> if  you have any questions about seven, e-mail me privately. i will be more 
> than glad to assist you in the transition, it is part of the consulting i did 
> in brazil a few years back when seven came out.
> 
> best regards,
> 
> mauricio
> On Oct 6, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
> 
>> I'm not so nonchalant and forgiving about it. I can do the Apple part 
>> without sighted assistance; I can install on my Mac and install on linux on 
>> my own. But i can't install Windows by myself?! I do plan to bootcamp 
>> Windows 7 eventually but right now  I am in the process of installing it in 
>> vmware fusion, soley because Windows is the one system I use that doesn't 
>> allow me to install it on my own. i would prefer my choices to be really my 
>> choices, not ones forced on me by the inaccessibility of a system! But I am 
>> thankful that at least vmware does allow me to install Windows 
>> independently! At least it allowed me to install xp independently and I'm 
>> about to find out about Windows 7. And despite my unhappiness with the 
>> inaccessibility of the install, I really am looking forward to learning 
>> Windows 7 now that I've decided to finally leave xp behind!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Cheryl
>> 
>> May the words of my mouth
>> and the meditation of my heart
>> be acceptable to You, Lord,
>> my rock and my Redeemer.
>> (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 6, 2012, at 12:48 PM, "Phil Halton"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ray, Yes, I had sighted assistance.
>>>  
>>> I found a fairly tech competent person who had a few hours to kill and it 
>>> took us 2 hours from start to finish.
>>>  
>>> That's from the time I started bootcamp assistant, through the actual 
>>> windows7 install, the install of apple support drivers, and finally 
>>> installing jaws12. There's just no way around the need for sighted 
>>> assistance in my opinion, but hey, sighted people aren't so bad ;-)
>>>  
>>>  
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Ray Foret Jr
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 10:47 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Boot Camp and 10.8.2
>>> 
>>> Did you have sighted assistance while going through the boot camp thingie 
>>> yesterday?  My guess is that you got to a point in the windows installation 
>>> where it came time to do the actual install of windows and you needed 
>>> sighted help because no windows audio drivers were loaded yet.  Is that 
>>> pretty much right?
>>> 
>>> I ain't done it myself, but, many have.  I believe it to be completely 
>>> possible because of the way it works.  Voice Over won't guide you through 
>>> the process;  but, still, it can be done.  My advice, however, is not to 
>>> listen to me but to others who have actually done it.  
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> 
>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>> 
>>> Skype name:
>>> barefootedray
>>> 
>>> On Oct 6, 2012, at 9:32 AM, "Phil Halton"  wrote:
>>> 
 Harry, I'm pretty sure you'll have to actually "install" windows during 
 the bootcamp process. Having it as a VMWare machine  won't work for 
 you there. I went through the whole bootcamp thing yesterday and it worked 
 great. Now, I'm thinking of going the VMWare route. Can you tell me if it 
 is easy to install windows via VMWare without sighted assistance?
 Is VO up and talking through the process?
 
 
 - Original Message - From: "Harry Hogue" 
 To: 
 Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 1:31 AM
 Subject: Re: Boot Camp and 10.8.2
 
 
 Hi, that's good to know that it doesn't cost money.  I don't regret using 
 VMware Fusion, since times call for having both operating systems running 
 at the same time, but it's nice to know that this alternative option is 
 also available.  if I have Windows already installed via a virtual 
 machine, would I have to reinstall it, do you know?
 
 Thanks.
 
 Harry
 
 On oct 5, 2012, at 8:05 p.m., Mauricio Almeida 
  wrote:
 
> hi harry,
> 
> booth camp does not cost money, except for what you pay for a legal copy 
> of windows.
> I found it to be definitely worth it.
> Though i try to do it all on the mac, obviously, it is still good to have 
> windows. it can come in handy.
> 
> mauricio
> On Oct 4, 2012, at 10:44 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
>> Harry,
>> 
>> I'm installing windows7 via bootcamp tommorrow morning. It looks quite 
>> straightforward, 

Re: Discovered something in Safari

[Alex Hall]

Right, that's what I mean. Instead of each row being a group with which you 
must again interact, I wish it would just be a proper table, with file name in 
the first column, download status in the second, and so on, so you need only 
interact with the table to start exploring. Right now, you interact with the 
table, find the item you want, interact again, then move left or right until 
you find the information. Putting downloads into a table, and not these groups, 
just seems a more efficient way of doing things, from a vo perspective anyway.
On Oct 6, 2012, at 9:08 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Hi Alex.
> Mine did say table when I got on the list of items. I didn't find it to be a 
> problem, once I figured I had to interact. I only had to interact once for 
> each download I was testing. 
> 
> Gigi
> 
> On Oct 6, 2012, at 7:59 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Yes, that new cmd-option=l keystroke is really handy, I just wish the items 
>> were in a table instead of each item being a group that requires even more 
>> interaction. Also, the enter key seems random, and I have no idea if it's a 
>> vo thing, an osx thing, or a web coding thing on the part of the website 
>> being used at the time. I avoid it and use vo-space (made easier since I 
>> mapped caps lock to the vo keys) or the quicknav command.
>> On Oct 6, 2012, at 8:50 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi guys.
>>> I just discovered something while downloading books from BARD. Maybe some 
>>> of you guys knew about this, but I sure didn't. Maybe somebody else here 
>>> didn't know either. 
>>> 
>>> I had a problem downloading three of my books while on BARD. I had to go 
>>> ahead and quit Safari, erase the old zip files, find the books again, and 
>>> start over. I've never had this happen before, but their computer must have 
>>> been having a problem. 
>>> 
>>> I had gotten my sighted husband to check the download progress because ours 
>>> truly hadn't figured out how. He left the room, and I decided to try 
>>> something. After pressing option command l and getting the list, I then got 
>>> desperate and interacted with the title of one of them. And lo, when I 
>>> pressed VO right arrow, there was the progress indicator. I ended up fixing 
>>> my problem, so all's well. 
>>> 
>>> I also have just discovered, at least in Bard, that the return key is 
>>> working instead of control option space on those links. This is definitely 
>>> better than what has been happening with that command lately. Did it get 
>>> changed or something? 
>>> 
>>> Gigi
>>> 
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Re: newbie tip: vo-u in webpages

[Estelita]

Hi Lisette,
Can you please explain how to set single key navigation to on?
It might have done previously, but I am just new here, thank you.

Nene

- Original Message - 
From: "Lisette Wesseling" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 12:41 AM
Subject: Re: newbie tip: vo-u in webpages


HI Alex
Just to add to your explanation of the web rotar: if you set single key 
navigation to on, you don't even have to press vo-u. You can just press h 
for heading, and be immediately in the heading part of the rotar where you 
can repeat the h to move by headings, or use down arrow if you prefer. L is 
for links, b for buttons etc. I always use single key navigation that way 
and never the vo-u method now and it's really excellent. Sometimes I will 
press h and then flick up and down on my track pad by headings which I have 
just set using the h.
You probably knew about this already but just in case you didn't I thought 
you might like to play with it.

Lisette

On 3/10/2012, at 3:36 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:


Hi all,
I'm back for another in my unintentional Newbie Tips series, where I 
explain something I just found that I wish I'd known months ago.


This time it's the web rotor, available in any "html content" item. When 
vo is focused in one of these, press vo-u to bring up the web rotor. Left 
and right arrows will move you through the different items available (you 
can set which ones you see in the vo utility under web). Each time you 
left/right arrow to a category, vo tells you how many of that item are on 
the page. You then use up and down arrows to move through the list of that 
item. For instance, you might do a google search, then bring up the web 
rotor and arrow to headings. Use up and down arrows in the headings list 
to move through your search results. Pressing space or vo-space on any 
item will jump you to it, but will not open it, even if it is a link. So, 
if you are arrowing along and find a link in the rotor list, press space 
on it and vo will jump to it. You must vo-space again to actually open the 
link.


This looks like a really neat tool and one I will certainly be using more 
now that I know about it. As always, if I have made any errors, please 
correct me so we don't have bad information getting spread around.



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enabling single key navigation (was newbie tip: vo-u in webpages)

[Alex Hall]

1. With vo on, press vo-f8 to open the vo utility.
2. Select commanders from the table, or press cmd-8. Select the Quicknav tab 
from the tabs that appear.
3. Find and check the "enable single key navigation on webpages" checkbox, then 
cmd-q to close the utility.
On Oct 6, 2012, at 9:52 PM, "Estelita"  wrote:

> Hi Lisette,
> Can you please explain how to set single key navigation to on?
> It might have done previously, but I am just new here, thank you.
> 
> Nene
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Lisette Wesseling" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 12:41 AM
> Subject: Re: newbie tip: vo-u in webpages
> 
> 
> HI Alex
> Just to add to your explanation of the web rotar: if you set single key 
> navigation to on, you don't even have to press vo-u. You can just press h for 
> heading, and be immediately in the heading part of the rotar where you can 
> repeat the h to move by headings, or use down arrow if you prefer. L is for 
> links, b for buttons etc. I always use single key navigation that way and 
> never the vo-u method now and it's really excellent. Sometimes I will press h 
> and then flick up and down on my track pad by headings which I have just set 
> using the h.
> You probably knew about this already but just in case you didn't I thought 
> you might like to play with it.
> Lisette
> 
> On 3/10/2012, at 3:36 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I'm back for another in my unintentional Newbie Tips series, where I explain 
>> something I just found that I wish I'd known months ago.
>> 
>> This time it's the web rotor, available in any "html content" item. When vo 
>> is focused in one of these, press vo-u to bring up the web rotor. Left and 
>> right arrows will move you through the different items available (you can 
>> set which ones you see in the vo utility under web). Each time you 
>> left/right arrow to a category, vo tells you how many of that item are on 
>> the page. You then use up and down arrows to move through the list of that 
>> item. For instance, you might do a google search, then bring up the web 
>> rotor and arrow to headings. Use up and down arrows in the headings list to 
>> move through your search results. Pressing space or vo-space on any item 
>> will jump you to it, but will not open it, even if it is a link. So, if you 
>> are arrowing along and find a link in the rotor list, press space on it and 
>> vo will jump to it. You must vo-space again to actually open the link.
>> 
>> This looks like a really neat tool and one I will certainly be using more 
>> now that I know about it. As always, if I have made any errors, please 
>> correct me so we don't have bad information getting spread around.
>> 
>> 
>> Have a great day,
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>> mehg...@gmail.com
>> 
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RE: boot camp

[wayne coles]

Hello sorry i might not have made myself clear i have a mbp 13 2012
and the trouble is being new to the mac i don't have a external hard drive
but i have put the apple drivers on a dvd but i have not a clue about what
to do now so any help is most welcome and i have read the apple boot camp
guide and i think i am more confused then ever so please be patient with me
thanks in advance 


--wayne coles ---Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: 07 October 2012 02:03
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: boot camp

I don't have a link, but I did this on my mac mini 2012 with a thumb drive
and a quick trip into the windows command line (of course, the windows pac
must also have a cd drive). Just google something like "set up bootcamp with
no cd drive" and you should find plenty of help. You could also get a usb
disk drive, something you might find handy not just for this but for the
occasional cd or dvd you find yourself needing to play for whatever reason.
On Oct 6, 2012, at 8:56 PM, Wayne Coles  wrote:

> hello list i am trying to put boot camp on my mbp2012 and i have a
windows7 cd here but i have no external drive do i have to one to do this
and when trying to run boot camp assistant
> it will not let me and it says something about iso so can it be done with
just a win 7 cd and if so how so please any help at this point in time would
be very helpful 
> Wayne Coles
> wayne...@gmail.com
> 
> 
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Victor Reader Stream and vmware fusion

[Cheryl Homiak]

I hope this isn't too far offtopic but I saw posts on this topic from 2010 when 
I googled so I'm hoping maybe somebody has figured this out since then. i've 
had this problem with every Stream I've had - one for my daughter and two for 
me! i can connect my Stream just fine in Mac OS, but I cannot connect it in 
Windows Xp and now in Windows 7 in vmware fusion though they do connect on a 
Windows pc. Vmware recognizes the Stream by name and asks where I want to 
connect it but after I choose, it never actually connects as far as Windows is 
concerned. I rarely really need to connect the Stream directly, only if I had a 
new Stream and had to activate it in Audible or maybe if I ever wanted to use 
Humanware Companion. But it drives me crazy! I have other devices that connect 
in Windows with vmware but just not the Stream. It's one of the few reasons why 
I am considering doing bootcamp eventually though it's not the biggest reason. 
I called Humanware about this once and was just vaguely told that they had 
heard of it happening with some computer setups. Does anybody have any ideas 
about what to do about this? it isn't crucial most of the time, but I'd sure 
like to solve it. A tech person from Audible got on my computer when I was 
running vmware with xp and he couldn't figure it out either.


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stop current song and start new one in iTunes?

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
I finally did it: I added all my music to my library. It looks quite useful 
right now, though there are over 100 songs that are in some way "unknown", 
which will take me a long time to label. Anyway, question: when I play a song 
and then move through more items and fine a new one I want to play while the 
previous one is still playing, how can I do this? Space only pauses and plays 
the previous track, it won't start playing the new one. I see nothing in the 
controls menu for this. Do I have to manually search out the stop button? I'd 
rather not, as it is nowhere near my music list. Thanks.


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Re: boot camp

[Alex Hall]

Really, your best bet is to google it and read through some of the guides you 
will find for doing this. They make it simple, though you will need sighted 
help for some of it (the windows side, of course).
On Oct 6, 2012, at 10:39 PM, "wayne coles"  wrote:

>   Hello sorry i might not have made myself clear i have a mbp 13 2012
> and the trouble is being new to the mac i don't have a external hard drive
> but i have put the apple drivers on a dvd but i have not a clue about what
> to do now so any help is most welcome and i have read the apple boot camp
> guide and i think i am more confused then ever so please be patient with me
> thanks in advance 
> 
> 
> --wayne coles ---Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: 07 October 2012 02:03
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: boot camp
> 
> I don't have a link, but I did this on my mac mini 2012 with a thumb drive
> and a quick trip into the windows command line (of course, the windows pac
> must also have a cd drive). Just google something like "set up bootcamp with
> no cd drive" and you should find plenty of help. You could also get a usb
> disk drive, something you might find handy not just for this but for the
> occasional cd or dvd you find yourself needing to play for whatever reason.
> On Oct 6, 2012, at 8:56 PM, Wayne Coles  wrote:
> 
>> hello list i am trying to put boot camp on my mbp2012 and i have a
> windows7 cd here but i have no external drive do i have to one to do this
> and when trying to run boot camp assistant
>> it will not let me and it says something about iso so can it be done with
> just a win 7 cd and if so how so please any help at this point in time would
> be very helpful   
>> Wayne Coles
>> wayne...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
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Re: stop current song and start new one in iTunes?

[Chris Bruinenberg]

Hi Alex.
Try pressing enter, this should work.

Thanks.
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On Oct 6, 2012, at 7:57 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Hi all,
> I finally did it: I added all my music to my library. It looks quite useful 
> right now, though there are over 100 songs that are in some way "unknown", 
> which will take me a long time to label. Anyway, question: when I play a song 
> and then move through more items and fine a new one I want to play while the 
> previous one is still playing, how can I do this? Space only pauses and plays 
> the previous track, it won't start playing the new one. I see nothing in the 
> controls menu for this. Do I have to manually search out the stop button? I'd 
> rather not, as it is nowhere near my music list. Thanks.
> 
> 
> Have a great day,
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> mehg...@gmail.com
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Re: stop current song and start new one in iTunes?

[Alex Hall]

Perfect, thanks! I thought I was going to have to resort to the iPod remote; 
it's a great app, but I'm glad I can do this right from the keyboard.
On Oct 6, 2012, at 10:59 PM, Chris Bruinenberg  wrote:

> Hi Alex.
> Try pressing enter, this should work.
> 
> Thanks.
> Chris Bruinenberg
> 
> cbrui...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 6, 2012, at 7:57 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I finally did it: I added all my music to my library. It looks quite useful 
>> right now, though there are over 100 songs that are in some way "unknown", 
>> which will take me a long time to label. Anyway, question: when I play a 
>> song and then move through more items and fine a new one I want to play 
>> while the previous one is still playing, how can I do this? Space only 
>> pauses and plays the previous track, it won't start playing the new one. I 
>> see nothing in the controls menu for this. Do I have to manually search out 
>> the stop button? I'd rather not, as it is nowhere near my music list. Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>> mehg...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
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Re: stop current song and start new one in iTunes?

[Chris Bruinenberg]

no problem.

Thanks.
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On Oct 6, 2012, at 8:02 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Perfect, thanks! I thought I was going to have to resort to the iPod remote; 
> it's a great app, but I'm glad I can do this right from the keyboard.
> On Oct 6, 2012, at 10:59 PM, Chris Bruinenberg  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Alex.
>> Try pressing enter, this should work.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> Chris Bruinenberg
>> 
>> cbrui...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 6, 2012, at 7:57 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I finally did it: I added all my music to my library. It looks quite useful 
>>> right now, though there are over 100 songs that are in some way "unknown", 
>>> which will take me a long time to label. Anyway, question: when I play a 
>>> song and then move through more items and fine a new one I want to play 
>>> while the previous one is still playing, how can I do this? Space only 
>>> pauses and plays the previous track, it won't start playing the new one. I 
>>> see nothing in the controls menu for this. Do I have to manually search out 
>>> the stop button? I'd rather not, as it is nowhere near my music list. 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Have a great day,
>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>>> mehg...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Victor Reader Stream and vmware fusion

[John Sanfilippo]

I can certainly understand why you'd want to just connect your Victor Reader 
Stream, rather than removing the SD card and either putting it directly into a 
slot if available on the computer, or inserting the card into a card reader, 
but I've always just done this because I understood that the Victor is rather 
slow and other card readers are much faster. I wonder if that might change the 
situation for you.

John S


On Oct 6, 2012, at 10:52 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:

I hope this isn't too far offtopic but I saw posts on this topic from 2010 when 
I googled so I'm hoping maybe somebody has figured this out since then. i've 
had this problem with every Stream I've had - one for my daughter and two for 
me! i can connect my Stream just fine in Mac OS, but I cannot connect it in 
Windows Xp and now in Windows 7 in vmware fusion though they do connect on a 
Windows pc. Vmware recognizes the Stream by name and asks where I want to 
connect it but after I choose, it never actually connects as far as Windows is 
concerned. I rarely really need to connect the Stream directly, only if I had a 
new Stream and had to activate it in Audible or maybe if I ever wanted to use 
Humanware Companion. But it drives me crazy! I have other devices that connect 
in Windows with vmware but just not the Stream. It's one of the few reasons why 
I am considering doing bootcamp eventually though it's not the biggest reason. 
I called Humanware about this once and was just vaguely told that they had 
heard of it happening with some computer setups. Does anybody have any ideas 
about what to do about this? it isn't crucial most of the time, but I'd sure 
like to solve it. A tech person from Audible got on my computer when I was 
running vmware with xp and he couldn't figure it out either.


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Re: Victor Reader Stream and vmware fusion

[Cheryl Homiak]

Of course, I usually just use the sd card too. As i pointed out, though, you 
can't do that when initially activating a new Stream in audible.com and you 
can't do that with the Companion. Neither of these are things I do often but I 
would like to be able to do them when necessary.
Thanks much for responding.

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On Oct 6, 2012, at 10:16 PM, John Sanfilippo  wrote:

> I can certainly understand why you'd want to just connect your Victor Reader 
> Stream, rather than removing the SD card and either putting it directly into 
> a slot if available on the computer, or inserting the card into a card 
> reader, but I've always just done this because I understood that the Victor 
> is rather slow and other card readers are much faster. I wonder if that might 
> change the situation for you.
> 
> John S
> 
> 
> On Oct 6, 2012, at 10:52 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
> 
> I hope this isn't too far offtopic but I saw posts on this topic from 2010 
> when I googled so I'm hoping maybe somebody has figured this out since then. 
> i've had this problem with every Stream I've had - one for my daughter and 
> two for me! i can connect my Stream just fine in Mac OS, but I cannot connect 
> it in Windows Xp and now in Windows 7 in vmware fusion though they do connect 
> on a Windows pc. Vmware recognizes the Stream by name and asks where I want 
> to connect it but after I choose, it never actually connects as far as 
> Windows is concerned. I rarely really need to connect the Stream directly, 
> only if I had a new Stream and had to activate it in Audible or maybe if I 
> ever wanted to use Humanware Companion. But it drives me crazy! I have other 
> devices that connect in Windows with vmware but just not the Stream. It's one 
> of the few reasons why I am considering doing bootcamp eventually though it's 
> not the biggest reason. I called Humanware about this once and was just 
> vaguely told that they had heard of it happening with some computer setups. 
> Does anybody have any ideas about what to do about this? it isn't crucial 
> most of the time, but I'd sure like to solve it. A tech person from Audible 
> got on my computer when I was running vmware with xp and he couldn't figure 
> it out either.
> 
> 
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> 
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> and the meditation of my heart
> be acceptable to You, Lord,
> my rock and my Redeemer.
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> 
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selecting multiple items not in order?

[Nicholas Parsons]

Use the control-option-command-space keystroke. I typically need to press it 
once to get started and then press it once on each item I wish to select. If 
you wish to deselect an item you have selected, simply press the same 
keystroke, control-option-command-space on the item again. You can use VO-F6 to 
check which items are selected before you copy, cut etc.

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fan running all the time

[Eric Oyen]

hello folks.

I seem to be running into a problem where the fan on my macbook is running all 
the time. the unit also seems to be running a lot warmer since I installed 
lion.  This machine is just 1 revision behind what would be supported for 
mountain lion, so I cannot go there. anyway, does anyone know what is causing 
this?

-eric

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Re: fan running all the time

[Pam Francis]

Hi Eric,
It could be just as simple as cleaning the vents. I am no tech, but that is 
what I would try first.Do you have any kind of applecare with the machine? If 
so, they may be able to help you diagnose your issue.

Pam Francis

On Oct 7, 2012, at 1:23 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:

hello folks.

I seem to be running into a problem where the fan on my macbook is running all 
the time. the unit also seems to be running a lot warmer since I installed 
lion.  This machine is just 1 revision behind what would be supported for 
mountain lion, so I cannot go there. anyway, does anyone know what is causing 
this?

-eric

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Re: fan running all the time

[Eric Oyen]

already checked that. vent is clean (even had someone with working eyes check 
it). this problem only appeared AFTER upgrading to lion. the unit was running 
cooler under snow leopard and never demonstrated this problem before the 
upgrade (less than 2 days ago).

-eric

On Oct 6, 2012, at 11:39 PM, Pam Francis wrote:

> Hi Eric,
> It could be just as simple as cleaning the vents. I am no tech, but that is 
> what I would try first.Do you have any kind of applecare with the machine? If 
> so, they may be able to help you diagnose your issue.
> 
> Pam Francis
> 
> On Oct 7, 2012, at 1:23 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> hello folks.
> 
> I seem to be running into a problem where the fan on my macbook is running 
> all the time. the unit also seems to be running a lot warmer since I 
> installed lion.  This machine is just 1 revision behind what would be 
> supported for mountain lion, so I cannot go there. anyway, does anyone know 
> what is causing this?
> 
> -eric
> 
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