Re: Is the old Google Groups finally Gone

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

 also had  same problem when applying for VI Phone membership. I could not 
navigate the new google groups.  tried using a windows PC with jaws as I did 
this at work also. Absolutely hopeless.

Kawal.
On 10 Sep 2012, at 11:30 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> Is the old Google Groups finally gone? The only way I had to navigate this 
> forum was in the old google groups. I got logged out of Google which is 
> almost impossible to do, and when I logged back in I was automatically taken 
> to the new google groups, and I can't find anyway to set this group back to 
> the old format. Anyone know how to. Google is a joke with accessibility on a 
> mac. They could care less as the new google groups is completely inaccessible.
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Changing smtp server port with VoiceOver in Apple mail on Mountain Lion

[Shai]

Hello, 
An email account that I am using needs me to change my smtp server settings
to a different port. When I go to the edit smtp server list within the mail
preferences section and try to change the port and tab over to the okay
button and vo plus space on it, I get the message that mail could not save
the changes because a conflict occurred and that two smtp servers can not
have the same settings.  I also tried going to the edit smtp server list
and then hitting escape after changing the port but when I restart mail
again it reverts back to the default. 
Other than removing the account and setting it up again,  would  anyone
happen to have any suggestions?
Thanks in advance for any responses
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Emptying the trash.

[Joanna West]

Hi all, 

I was wondering if anyone might know what to do when you can't empty the trash. 
I'm cleaning out my external hard drive, and I'm trying to keep the trash empty 
in the process. However, everytime I try to empty it, nothing happens. I even 
went into the menu bar and it told me the action was dimmed. Any help would be 
greatly appreciated. 

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Re: Emptying the trash.

[Alex Hall]

Are there items in your trash? Normally, when you delete from external drives, 
the items are gone or stored on a trash folder on the drive (if it's big 
enough). Only items deleted from your mac's internal hard drive are put in the 
mac's trash folder.
On Sep 11, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Joanna West  wrote:

> Hi all, 
> 
> I was wondering if anyone might know what to do when you can't empty the 
> trash. I'm cleaning out my external hard drive, and I'm trying to keep the 
> trash empty in the process. However, everytime I try to empty it, nothing 
> happens. I even went into the menu bar and it told me the action was dimmed. 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated. 
> 
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Re: Emptying the trash.

[Joanna West]

Oh yes! There are definitely items in the trash. My external hard drive doesn't 
have a place for trash. 

Love endures all things.

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> Are there items in your trash? Normally, when you delete from external 
> drives, the items are gone or stored on a trash folder on the drive (if it's 
> big enough). Only items deleted from your mac's internal hard drive are put 
> in the mac's trash folder.
> On Sep 11, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Joanna West  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all, 
>> 
>> I was wondering if anyone might know what to do when you can't empty the 
>> trash. I'm cleaning out my external hard drive, and I'm trying to keep the 
>> trash empty in the process. However, everytime I try to empty it, nothing 
>> happens. I even went into the menu bar and it told me the action was dimmed. 
>> Any help would be greatly appreciated. 
>> 
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Re: Emptying the trash.

[Alex Hall]

If the external drive has no trash, the items would simply be gone. Unless the 
mac is way different, it will not save anything to trash unless the item was 
already on its own hard drive, not an external drive.
On Sep 11, 2012, at 9:28 AM, Joanna West  wrote:

> Oh yes! There are definitely items in the trash. My external hard drive 
> doesn't have a place for trash. 
> 
> Love endures all things.
> 
> On Sep 11, 2012, at 8:09 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Are there items in your trash? Normally, when you delete from external 
>> drives, the items are gone or stored on a trash folder on the drive (if it's 
>> big enough). Only items deleted from your mac's internal hard drive are put 
>> in the mac's trash folder.
>> On Sep 11, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Joanna West  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all, 
>>> 
>>> I was wondering if anyone might know what to do when you can't empty the 
>>> trash. I'm cleaning out my external hard drive, and I'm trying to keep the 
>>> trash empty in the process. However, everytime I try to empty it, nothing 
>>> happens. I even went into the menu bar and it told me the action was 
>>> dimmed. Any help would be greatly appreciated. 
>>> 
>>> Love endures all things.
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RE: Dumb VO question

[Bill Holton]

Again, thanks much.  

 

 

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Direct:  386-624-6309

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ioana Gandrabur
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 7:51 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Dumb VO question

 

Hi,

 

Backspace at the end of wrongly auto-corrected word and you will hear
"revert correction then you arrow down (no quicknav ) and hit enter and it
reverts.

 

hth

 

Ioana

 


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stores. 

 

On Sep 10, 2012, at 5:25 PM, Bill Holton  wrote:





Hi.

Not quite what I meant.  Wwhen I type a word and text edit auto corrects it
to a new word when I hit spacebar.  But the word I typed was the word I
wanted.  How do I go back and change it back via the revert command with a
VO or hot key command?

 

 

 

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Home Office: 1520 Loughton ST

DeLand, FL  32720

 

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Timothy Clark Music
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 4:44 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Dumb VO question

 

yeah just hit enter and it will correct it. 

 ron paul 2012 

Timothy 

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http://www.timothyclarkmusic.tumblr.com

 

On Sep 10, 2012, at 2:49 PM, Bill Holton wrote:






Thanks.  I did have quick nav on.  I also discovered that even though it
clicks when you back over a word with option left arrow, you have to then
option right arrow back over for the suggestions to appear.
Any idea of what you can do immediately when a word is corrected and
replaced and you know it's the word you meant.  The docs say click the x
button.  Any idea of how to do this with the keyboard?

Thanks.



BILL HOLTON
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Harry Hogue
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 4:38 PM
To:  
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Dumb VO question

Bill,

Be sure you're not using QuickNav.  You can then press down arrow to go
through the list of spelling suggestions.  it isn't an option I have to use
a lot, but if there is more than one spelling suggestion, continuing to
press down arrow should do the trick.  Also, pressing space will select the
one you're currently sitting on, i I'm not mistaken.

HTH,

Harry

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Hi.

For the life of me, I can't remember how to find the spelling options once

autocorrect engages and I here the little bloop  and I know their are
options below me I think I tried every key except the right one. Any help
appreciated.




 

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Re: Emptying the trash.

[Joanna West]

Well, as it turns out, there was nothing in the trash after all. I've never 
seen that happen before though. My husband and I have always deleted items from 
our external hard drives, and they have always gone to the trash on the Mac 
itself. Hmmm... Interesting... 

Love endures all things.

On Sep 11, 2012, at 8:30 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> If the external drive has no trash, the items would simply be gone. Unless 
> the mac is way different, it will not save anything to trash unless the item 
> was already on its own hard drive, not an external drive.
> On Sep 11, 2012, at 9:28 AM, Joanna West  wrote:
> 
>> Oh yes! There are definitely items in the trash. My external hard drive 
>> doesn't have a place for trash. 
>> 
>> Love endures all things.
>> 
>> On Sep 11, 2012, at 8:09 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Are there items in your trash? Normally, when you delete from external 
>>> drives, the items are gone or stored on a trash folder on the drive (if 
>>> it's big enough). Only items deleted from your mac's internal hard drive 
>>> are put in the mac's trash folder.
>>> On Sep 11, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Joanna West  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all, 
 
 I was wondering if anyone might know what to do when you can't empty the 
 trash. I'm cleaning out my external hard drive, and I'm trying to keep the 
 trash empty in the process. However, everytime I try to empty it, nothing 
 happens. I even went into the menu bar and it told me the action was 
 dimmed. Any help would be greatly appreciated. 
 
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[Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App

[Maccessibility]

Title: [Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App
Maccessibility has posted a new item, 'Google Releases Official YouTube App'

With the presumed imminent release of iOS 6, Apple will be retiring the YouTube app which has been included on its iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch devices since their inceptions. As a result, Google Inc. has released an official app for its YouTube service.

Unfortunately, Google’s offering, while somewhat usable for VoiceOver users, includes [...]

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stopping vo from reading constantly changing text?

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
I am wondering if vo can be stopped from reading constantly updating text? For 
instance, when you copy a large folder, both the amount copied and the item 
being copied are always changing as the operation progresses, so vo keeps 
trying to read the new information. Unfortunately, this usually means you never 
hear anything finish, so the best you can do is the first number in the amount 
of data or part of the word "copying" in the field telling you which item is 
being copied. Is there some tracking or something I can temporarily disable 
just to check the status, especially as finder's copy dialogs have no progress 
indicators? I can copy the last phrase to the clipboard and paste it, but it 
seems like there should be an easier way. Thanks.


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Re: [Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App

[David Eagle]

A brilliantly written article. I hope that you will be sending that to Google.

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>
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> official app for its YouTube service.
>
> Unfortunately, Google’s offering, while somewhat usable for VoiceOver users,
> includes [...]
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spaces?

[Christina C.]

What in the world is spaces and how in the world do I seem to end up in "spaces 
with applications"?  I don't like this experience because I cannot find safari 
windows that I have open and I cannot access them.  I don't even know how I am 
getting in this spaces thing.  I apologize for my ignorance but this is 
frustrating.

Thanks,
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Re: External Speakers for the iMac?

[Timothy Clark Music]

try the samsong pa system. 
 it's small but puts out amazing sound.  
http://www.macmod.com/content/samsung-announces-portable-pa-system-ipod-dock-0 
  
 I have no idea how much that would cost. 
 i figured you might be interested in that. 
 another option is for around 100 dollars you can pick up a stereo speaker set 
and plug those into your mac and nail them to your wall. 
 
Timothy 
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> Hey all,
> 
> I would like to get some external speakers for the Imac as I listen to
> movies with descriptive video through the web. The only other option I
> would like is to have the option to hook my Iphone up to the speakers
> as well. I probably don't care if they are bluetooth or wired as long
> as they are good and I connect the Iphone. Can anyone suggest a pair,
> also don't want to shell out $300 bucks so affordability is important
> to. Thanks
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Re: spaces?

[Timothy Clark Music]

no you are fine. i've got no idea what they are either. 
 i think it's like the dashboard. 
 i also keep ending up in them. 
 
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> What in the world is spaces and how in the world do I seem to end up in 
> "spaces with applications"?  I don't like this experience because I cannot 
> find safari windows that I have open and I cannot access them.  I don't even 
> know how I am getting in this spaces thing.  I apologize for my ignorance but 
> this is frustrating.
> 
> Thanks,
> Sent from Christina's iMac :)
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Re: ZCaptcha Released

[Timothy Clark Music]

so essentially we pay for zcapsha? 
 
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> Hello,
> 
> As promised a few days ago, ZCaptcha has been released today.
> 
> It is only in beta, so please be patient with any errors, and please also 
> report them to me if you find any. I'll be adding more in the coming days, 
> including the ability to email your screenshot, but for now it is working 
> very well. The site itself is under serious development as well.
> 
> The more active this is, the faster it will return, so forgive any slowness 
> in the beginning, please.
> 
> Here is the address:
> 
> http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha
> 
> You must first create an account, which only takes a minute, and put money on 
> the account.
> 
> This is the page to upload your screenshot:
> 
> http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha/upload.html
> 
> I hope you enjoy and that you find this helpful.
> 
> Thanks,
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Re: DJ software anyone?

[Timothy Clark Music]

you can get it by downloading it off of torrents.  
 also, it as far as i know yes needs iTunes. 
 if you wish you can add me on Skype and i can send you DJ. 
 it's got a key and everything. 
 or you can go and get it like i said off of torrents. 
 my Skype id is djtimothy1 
 oh, i should point out that i do not enforce
 the stilling of anyones antalectsual property. 

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> Hi,
> 
> Would anybody on here using the DJ software for the Mac fill me in a little 
> on where to get and how to use it?  Is it dependent on the iTunes Library, or 
> can it be used otherwise?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
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Re: ZCaptcha Released

[Brandon Olivares]

Hello,

Yes. It is necessary, as we pay for the captchas to go to Amazon Turk, and 
simply add enough for ourselves to continue to operate. Our livelihood is the 
programs and services that I develop, so without charging we could not do this.

Brandon
On Sep 11, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Timothy Clark Music  
wrote:

> so essentially we pay for zcapsha? 
>  
> Timothy 
>   Your Friend in the music industry 
>  http://www.timothyclarkmusic.tumblr.com
> 
> On Sep 10, 2012, at 9:22 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> As promised a few days ago, ZCaptcha has been released today.
>> 
>> It is only in beta, so please be patient with any errors, and please also 
>> report them to me if you find any. I'll be adding more in the coming days, 
>> including the ability to email your screenshot, but for now it is working 
>> very well. The site itself is under serious development as well.
>> 
>> The more active this is, the faster it will return, so forgive any slowness 
>> in the beginning, please.
>> 
>> Here is the address:
>> 
>> http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha
>> 
>> You must first create an account, which only takes a minute, and put money 
>> on the account.
>> 
>> This is the page to upload your screenshot:
>> 
>> http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha/upload.html
>> 
>> I hope you enjoy and that you find this helpful.
>> 
>> Thanks,
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Re: ZCaptcha Released

[Timothy Clark Music]

i see
Timothy 
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On Sep 11, 2012, at 12:09 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Yes. It is necessary, as we pay for the captchas to go to Amazon Turk, and 
> simply add enough for ourselves to continue to operate. Our livelihood is the 
> programs and services that I develop, so without charging we could not do 
> this.
> 
> Brandon
> On Sep 11, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Timothy Clark Music  
> wrote:
> 
>> so essentially we pay for zcapsha? 
>>  
>> Timothy 
>>   Your Friend in the music industry 
>>  http://www.timothyclarkmusic.tumblr.com
>> 
>> On Sep 10, 2012, at 9:22 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> As promised a few days ago, ZCaptcha has been released today.
>>> 
>>> It is only in beta, so please be patient with any errors, and please also 
>>> report them to me if you find any. I'll be adding more in the coming days, 
>>> including the ability to email your screenshot, but for now it is working 
>>> very well. The site itself is under serious development as well.
>>> 
>>> The more active this is, the faster it will return, so forgive any slowness 
>>> in the beginning, please.
>>> 
>>> Here is the address:
>>> 
>>> http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha
>>> 
>>> You must first create an account, which only takes a minute, and put money 
>>> on the account.
>>> 
>>> This is the page to upload your screenshot:
>>> 
>>> http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha/upload.html
>>> 
>>> I hope you enjoy and that you find this helpful.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
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Re: ZCaptcha Released

[Earle]

I understand the need to make money and the need to pay for server costs etc.  
I just don't think this is a realistic option for most people.  Webvisum iOS 
free and the nightly builds of fire fox work well enough with voiceover to 
solve captious. I just don't see the point in paying for something that can 
already be done for free using existing methods.

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On 2012-09-11, at 12:09 PM, Brandon Olivares  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Yes. It is necessary, as we pay for the captchas to go to Amazon Turk, and 
> simply add enough for ourselves to continue to operate. Our livelihood is the 
> programs and services that I develop, so without charging we could not do 
> this.
> 
> Brandon
> On Sep 11, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Timothy Clark Music  
> wrote:
> 
>> so essentially we pay for zcapsha? 
>>  
>> Timothy 
>>   Your Friend in the music industry 
>>  http://www.timothyclarkmusic.tumblr.com
>> 
>> On Sep 10, 2012, at 9:22 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> As promised a few days ago, ZCaptcha has been released today.
>>> 
>>> It is only in beta, so please be patient with any errors, and please also 
>>> report them to me if you find any. I'll be adding more in the coming days, 
>>> including the ability to email your screenshot, but for now it is working 
>>> very well. The site itself is under serious development as well.
>>> 
>>> The more active this is, the faster it will return, so forgive any slowness 
>>> in the beginning, please.
>>> 
>>> Here is the address:
>>> 
>>> http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha
>>> 
>>> You must first create an account, which only takes a minute, and put money 
>>> on the account.
>>> 
>>> This is the page to upload your screenshot:
>>> 
>>> http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha/upload.html
>>> 
>>> I hope you enjoy and that you find this helpful.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brandon
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Re: [Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App

[Scott Davert]

Hmm. From what I've been reading on AppleVis, it is accessible, but
not in the conventional method. Which begs the question of what
defines accessibility? is something not accessible if you cannot
accessit using the standard functions of your screen reader? As I
understand it, the Sign in process can work without disabling
VoiceOver. Essentially, the app is divided in to columns, and the
standard flicking left and right gesture does not work. However, if
you touch the screen in the appropriate place, VoiceOver is able to
give the info to you. But to get to the other column on the screen,
you have to tap something on the right side of it, and then tap the
left side to get back to that series of columns. I'll have to play
around with this when I get the time, but as I understand it, this is
how it can be done.

Scott

On 9/11/12, David Eagle  wrote:
> A brilliantly written article. I hope that you will be sending that to
> Google.
>
> On 11/09/2012, Maccessibility  wrote:
>> Maccessibility has posted a new item, 'Google Releases Official YouTube
>> App'
>>
>> With the presumed imminent release of iOS 6, Apple will be retiring the
>> YouTube app which has been included on its iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch
>> devices since their inceptions. As a result, Google Inc. has released an
>> official app for its YouTube service.
>>
>> Unfortunately, Google’s offering, while somewhat usable for VoiceOver
>> users,
>> includes [...]
>>
>>
>>
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Re: ZCaptcha Released

[Brandon Olivares]

Hello,

Yet WebVisum is only on Firefox, which many blind people, including myself, 
don't use. If it were paid, it would probably expand to other browsers, but 
because it is free, users of it are subject to the whims of the developers.

This morning alone we've had 7 requests, so people are finding it of use. It is 
OK if you are not one of those, but there seems to be a market for it.

Thank you for your feedback.

Brandon
On Sep 11, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Earle  wrote:

> I understand the need to make money and the need to pay for server costs etc. 
>  I just don't think this is a realistic option for most people.  Webvisum iOS 
> free and the nightly builds of fire fox work well enough with voiceover to 
> solve captious. I just don't see the point in paying for something that can 
> already be done for free using existing methods.
> 
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> On 2012-09-11, at 12:09 PM, Brandon Olivares  wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Yes. It is necessary, as we pay for the captchas to go to Amazon Turk, and 
>> simply add enough for ourselves to continue to operate. Our livelihood is 
>> the programs and services that I develop, so without charging we could not 
>> do this.
>> 
>> Brandon
>> On Sep 11, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Timothy Clark Music  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> so essentially we pay for zcapsha? 
>>>  
>>> Timothy 
>>>   Your Friend in the music industry 
>>>  http://www.timothyclarkmusic.tumblr.com
>>> 
>>> On Sep 10, 2012, at 9:22 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote:
>>> 
 Hello,
 
 As promised a few days ago, ZCaptcha has been released today.
 
 It is only in beta, so please be patient with any errors, and please also 
 report them to me if you find any. I'll be adding more in the coming days, 
 including the ability to email your screenshot, but for now it is working 
 very well. The site itself is under serious development as well.
 
 The more active this is, the faster it will return, so forgive any 
 slowness in the beginning, please.
 
 Here is the address:
 
 http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha
 
 You must first create an account, which only takes a minute, and put money 
 on the account.
 
 This is the page to upload your screenshot:
 
 http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha/upload.html
 
 I hope you enjoy and that you find this helpful.
 
 Thanks,
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Re: ZCaptcha Released

[Hank Smith]

there are some websites whee capcha will not work expecially the sites 
that use puzzles and othe r capcha methods

so I can see where this owuld come in handy
On 9/11/2012 9:20 AM, Earle wrote:
I understand the need to make money and the need to pay for server 
costs etc.  I just don't think this is a realistic option for most 
people.  Webvisum iOS free and the nightly builds of fire fox work 
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point in paying for something that can already be done for free using 
existing methods.


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On 2012-09-11, at 12:09 PM, Brandon Olivares > wrote:



Hello,

Yes. It is necessary, as we pay for the captchas to go to Amazon 
Turk, and simply add enough for ourselves to continue to operate. Our 
livelihood is the programs and services that I develop, so without 
charging we could not do this.


Brandon
On Sep 11, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Timothy Clark Music 
mailto:timothyclarkmu...@me.com>> wrote:



so essentially we pay for zcapsha?

Timothy
  Your Friend in the music industry
http://www.timothyclarkmusic.tumblr.com 



On Sep 10, 2012, at 9:22 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote:


Hello,

As promised a few days ago, ZCaptcha has been released today.

It is only in beta, so please be patient with any errors, and 
please also report them to me if you find any. I'll be adding more 
in the coming days, including the ability to email your screenshot, 
but for now it is working very well. The site itself is under 
serious development as well.


The more active this is, the faster it will return, so forgive any 
slowness in the beginning, please.


Here is the address:

http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha

You must first create an account, which only takes a minute, and 
put money on the account.


This is the page to upload your screenshot:

http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha/upload.html

I hope you enjoy and that you find this helpful.

Thanks,
Brandon

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Re: ZCaptcha Released

[Alex Hall]

Also, I never could get webvism to work and finally uninstalled it in disgust. 
Besides, it is firefox only, and, for now, the mac has no accessible firefox 
without running nightly builds that are never guaranteed to work at all, let 
alone reliably.
On Sep 11, 2012, at 12:35 PM, Hank Smith  wrote:

> there are some websites whee capcha will not work expecially the sites that 
> use puzzles and othe r capcha methods
> so I can see where this owuld come in handy
> On 9/11/2012 9:20 AM, Earle wrote:
>> I understand the need to make money and the need to pay for server costs 
>> etc.  I just don't think this is a realistic option for most people.  
>> Webvisum iOS free and the nightly builds of fire fox work well enough with 
>> voiceover to solve captious. I just don't see the point in paying for 
>> something that can already be done for free using existing methods.
>> 
>> JMO
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>> On 2012-09-11, at 12:09 PM, Brandon Olivares  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> Yes. It is necessary, as we pay for the captchas to go to Amazon Turk, and 
>>> simply add enough for ourselves to continue to operate. Our livelihood is 
>>> the programs and services that I develop, so without charging we could not 
>>> do this.
>>> 
>>> Brandon
>>> On Sep 11, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Timothy Clark Music 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 so essentially we pay for zcapsha? 
  
 Timothy 
   Your Friend in the music industry 
  http://www.timothyclarkmusic.tumblr.com
 
 On Sep 10, 2012, at 9:22 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote:
 
> Hello,
> 
> As promised a few days ago, ZCaptcha has been released today.
> 
> It is only in beta, so please be patient with any errors, and please also 
> report them to me if you find any. I'll be adding more in the coming 
> days, including the ability to email your screenshot, but for now it is 
> working very well. The site itself is under serious development as well.
> 
> The more active this is, the faster it will return, so forgive any 
> slowness in the beginning, please.
> 
> Here is the address:
> 
> http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha
> 
> You must first create an account, which only takes a minute, and put 
> money on the account.
> 
> This is the page to upload your screenshot:
> 
> http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha/upload.html
> 
> I hope you enjoy and that you find this helpful.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brandon
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Re: Is the old Google Groups finally Gone

[Esther]

Hi Brian and Kawal,

The old Google Groups is still around, but I don't know for how much
longer. I got shunted into it, but was able to get back to the old
format by using item chooser menu to find "Settings" and then after I
used VO-Space I was able to arrow down to the last entry, which was
something like "temporarily revert back to the old Google Groups".
The problem is that I think you may have to do this immediately upon
finding yourself in the new Google Groups pages for this to work.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Sep 10, 10:13 pm, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>  also had  same problem when applying for VI Phone membership. I could not 
> navigate the new google groups.  tried using a windows PC with jaws as I did 
> this at work also. Absolutely hopeless.
>
> Kawal.
> On 10 Sep 2012, at 11:30 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Is the old Google Groups finally gone? The only way I had to navigate this 
> > forum was in the old google groups. I got logged out of Google which is 
> > almost impossible to do, and when I logged back in I was automatically 
> > taken to the new google groups, and I can't find anyway to set this group 
> > back to the old format. Anyone know how to. Google is a joke with 
> > accessibility on a mac. They could care less as the new google groups is 
> > completely inaccessible.
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[Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App

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Title: [Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App
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With the presumed imminent release of iOS 6, Apple will be retiring the YouTube app which has been included on its iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch devices since their inceptions. As a result, Google Inc. has released an official app for its YouTube service.

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Re: ZCaptcha Released

[Buddy Brannan]

Hi Earle,

TANSTAAFL, my friend. That's "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch". 

While Webvisum is free (as in beer), at least, no cost to you, the service does 
cost to maintain. We're talking about server space and bandwidth, at the very 
least, possibly development costs as well. Remember when it went down for a few 
days not too long ago, because of a registration renewal SNAFU? What if they 
couldn't afford to renew the domain name or the space used to run it? They do 
take donations, too. 

What about the ill-fated Solona? It died right along with Bernardo. It was a 
one man show, for all intents and purposes, and done by him, alone, for love, 
because he perceived a need. 

What is it about blind people that we don't want to pay for things that deserve 
to be paid for?
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On Sep 11, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Earle  wrote:

> I understand the need to make money and the need to pay for server costs etc. 
>  I just don't think this is a realistic option for most people.  Webvisum iOS 
> free and the nightly builds of fire fox work well enough with voiceover to 
> solve captious. I just don't see the point in paying for something that can 
> already be done for free using existing methods.
> 
> JMO
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> On 2012-09-11, at 12:09 PM, Brandon Olivares  wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Yes. It is necessary, as we pay for the captchas to go to Amazon Turk, and 
>> simply add enough for ourselves to continue to operate. Our livelihood is 
>> the programs and services that I develop, so without charging we could not 
>> do this.
>> 
>> Brandon
>> On Sep 11, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Timothy Clark Music  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> so essentially we pay for zcapsha? 
>>>  
>>> Timothy 
>>>   Your Friend in the music industry 
>>>  http://www.timothyclarkmusic.tumblr.com
>>> 
>>> On Sep 10, 2012, at 9:22 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote:
>>> 
 Hello,
 
 As promised a few days ago, ZCaptcha has been released today.
 
 It is only in beta, so please be patient with any errors, and please also 
 report them to me if you find any. I'll be adding more in the coming days, 
 including the ability to email your screenshot, but for now it is working 
 very well. The site itself is under serious development as well.
 
 The more active this is, the faster it will return, so forgive any 
 slowness in the beginning, please.
 
 Here is the address:
 
 http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha
 
 You must first create an account, which only takes a minute, and put money 
 on the account.
 
 This is the page to upload your screenshot:
 
 http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha/upload.html
 
 I hope you enjoy and that you find this helpful.
 
 Thanks,
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Re: [Maccessibility] Google Releases Official YouTube App

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

I didn't see any of this.  I double tapped the guide button, and a column 
appeared on the left hand side of the screen with VO focus already on that 
pane.  I flicked right to sign in and double tapped.  I was then taken to the 
sign in screen where I proceeded to enter my credentials

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On Sep 11, 2012, at 12:23 PM, Scott Davert  wrote:

> Hmm. From what I've been reading on AppleVis, it is accessible, but
> not in the conventional method. Which begs the question of what
> defines accessibility? is something not accessible if you cannot
> accessit using the standard functions of your screen reader? As I
> understand it, the Sign in process can work without disabling
> VoiceOver. Essentially, the app is divided in to columns, and the
> standard flicking left and right gesture does not work. However, if
> you touch the screen in the appropriate place, VoiceOver is able to
> give the info to you. But to get to the other column on the screen,
> you have to tap something on the right side of it, and then tap the
> left side to get back to that series of columns. I'll have to play
> around with this when I get the time, but as I understand it, this is
> how it can be done.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 9/11/12, David Eagle  wrote:
>> A brilliantly written article. I hope that you will be sending that to
>> Google.
>> 
>> On 11/09/2012, Maccessibility  wrote:
>>> Maccessibility has posted a new item, 'Google Releases Official YouTube
>>> App'
>>> 
>>> With the presumed imminent release of iOS 6, Apple will be retiring the
>>> YouTube app which has been included on its iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch
>>> devices since their inceptions. As a result, Google Inc. has released an
>>> official app for its YouTube service.
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately, Google’s offering, while somewhat usable for VoiceOver
>>> users,
>>> includes [...]
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: External Speakers for the iMac?

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Tim, Just wanted to say thanks for the suggestions, I will check
these out

On Sep 10, 11:35 pm, Brian Fischler  wrote:
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>
> I would like to get some external speakers for the Imac as I listen to
> movies with descriptive video through the web. The only other option I
> would like is to have the option to hook my Iphone up to the speakers
> as well. I probably don't care if they are bluetooth or wired as long
> as they are good and I connect the Iphone. Can anyone suggest a pair,
> also don't want to shell out $300 bucks so affordability is important
> to. Thanks

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Numbers Help with doing a Find

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all, well the geniuses at Apple were no help, maybe that is why
they dropped the genius tag. All of this worked in Lion, but doesn't
work in Mountain Lion. I called Apple and the Voiceover specialist had
no clue how to use numbers and the numbers specialist I am pretty sure
had never heard of Voiceover, as it was like I was speaking Greek to
him. I of course emailed Apple Accessibility as well, and got the
typical we're aware of the problem and are working on it, but can't
comment when it will be fixed. Apple's customer service has really
gone down hill.

Here is my problem. I work with large spreadsheets in Nyumbers. A lot
of the time I need to jump to a cell that I know is 2/3 down the the
page. In Lion as crazy as this was, it worked, I would hit VO F enter
my search criteria, then hit VO G, followed by VO J, I assume this
pulled up a search results box, I would then do a VO shift down arrow
to interact act, and then a shift tab to jump to the actual result in
the page. Since installing Mountain Lion this shortcut no longer
works, and I haven't been able to find anything else to help me jump
to a search result in the page. Now hitting the shift tab actually
stops you from interacting with the page.

Has anyone found a way to do a search and find in Numbers? Thanks

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Re: Apple TV and Voiceover and how does it work?

[Nic Parsons]

No, you can't use an Apple TV without a regular TV. The Apple TV is just a 
little box that connects to your regular TV by HDMI kable.

On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 8:52:24 AM UTC+10, Stacey Robinson wrote:
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> I have a question. Can you use an apple tv without a regular tv. 
> On Sep 10, 2012, at 5:25 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote: 
>
> > Hi there 
> > I have no site, and I have a AppleTV. I guess you could say sort of, 
> that it's like iTunes for your TV. You can get Netflix, movies, watch 
> YouTube, and I can't remember what else. 
> > It's got the same voice like the iPhone. It has a little remote. There's 
> not many controls, and it can take you like five minutes to learn it, 
> especially if you have an iPhone or an iPad already. 
> > I'm not sure what else to tell you, so ask specific questions if you 
> need more. 
> > Gigi 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone 
> > 
> > On Sep 10, 2012, at 4:12 PM, Andrew Lamanche 
> > > 
> wrote: 
> > 
> >> Dear Listers, 
> >> 
> >> I'm trying to learn as much as possible about Apple TV. Has anyone got 
> any experience of it on the list, especially anyone who's got no sight at 
> all? How does it work? I have a number of films/tv programmes which `i'd 
> like to watch/listen to with sighted friends on an ordinary TV screen. Is 
> it possible? What else is Apple TV for? I've gathered from searching 
> through some of the posts on the list that Apple TV has Voiceover access 
> but I don't quite understand how it works. What are the benefits of Apple 
> TV? 
> >> 
> >> If anyone could contact me and share, feel free to do so outside the 
> list. I'm aware that maybe this is not the right topic to discuss on the 
> list. 
> >> 
> >> With best wishes 
> >> 
> >> Andrew 
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> from either the iCloud or a Mac, iPod, iPHone or iPad. You can, for 
> example, rent movies from the iTunes store directly from the Apple TV, or 
> air play your music from your iPHone through your TV. But you do need a 
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Re: DJ software anyone?

[Nic Parsons]

Hi,

I'm not sure what software you're talking about. If you're referring to the 
iTunes DJ, then it can be found in iTunes. If it's not listed in the 
sources pannel, you can turn it on in the preferences for iTunes. But 
please not this is perhaps not DJ software as you imagine. It basically 
just creates a never ending play list to which iTunes continuly adds random 
tracks. You can add tracks yourself, and you can allow anyone on your 
network to add tracks and vote on existing ones with the iTuens DJ Party 
function. If you google for iTunes DJ I'm sure you'll find a host of 
resources. I ddi.

On Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:08:24 AM UTC+10, Timothy Clark Music 
wrote:
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> you can get it by downloading it off of torrents.  
>  also, it as far as i know yes needs iTunes. 
>  if you wish you can add me on Skype and i can send you DJ. 
>  it's got a key and everything. 
>  or you can go and get it like i said off of torrents. 
>  my Skype id is djtimothy1 
>  oh, i should point out that i do not enforce
>  the stilling of anyones antalectsual property. 
>
> Timothy 
>   Your Friend in the music industry 
>  http://www.timothyclarkmusic.tumblr.com
>  
> On Sep 10, 2012, at 7:36 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Would anybody on here using the DJ software for the Mac fill me in a 
> little on where to get and how to use it?  Is it dependent on the iTunes 
> Library, or can it be used otherwise?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>
> Skype name:
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Re: activating bookmarks

[Nic Parsons]

As far as I know there are two main ways to access your bookmarks in 
Safari. One way is from the Bookmarks menu in the menu bar. You can get 
there by pressing VO M to get into the menu bar and then press B to take 
you to bookmarks. Press VO Space to open the Bookmarks menu and then 
navigate through the menu normally with VO and arrow keys. You can then 
select any of these bookmarks normally with VO Space and it will take you 
to the webpage. The other way to accesss bookmarks is within the normal 
Safari interface, where the bookmarks are presented in tables. Tis I 
suspect is where you are having your troubles. If you access bookmarks 
here, pressing return or VO Space will not activate the bookmark link. To 
go to the webpage you will need to navigate to the relevant bookmark, then 
acccess the context menu by pressing VO SHIFT M, and then choose open. You 
should probably put most of your bookmarks in teh bookmarks menu, not the 
bookmarks bar. Save the bookmarks bar for a fewe favourite bookmarks. You 
can then access these bookmarks in the bookmarks bar by using the short cut 
keys CMND + numbers 1 through 9.

On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 9:27:04 AM UTC+10, agent086b wrote:
>
> Hi all, 
> now for my next problem. When i migrated some settings from the PC some 
> of my bookmarks went to the bookmarks bar and some went in to a 
> bookmarks list. I can get the bookmarks bar to connect me with the sites 
> there but I can not get the bookmarks list to let me go to a site. 
> I can see the sites I wish to go to but I can not get them to work. 
> How can I move these folders to the bookmarks bar and or click on those 
> links? 
> Thanks once again for the help. 
> Max. 
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Re: DJ software anyone?

[Ray Foret Jr]

I fricken hate ITunes as a player.  why?  Simple.  ITunes is too damn library 
dependent.  Let me explain.  When I add stuff to the ITuens Library, it puts 
files where it wants too; not where I want it too.  I don't want ITunes 
creating subfolders where I didn't ask for them.  I have a large number of 
untagged files which are just lose, and, they are exactly where I want them.  I 
can't add stuff to my ITunes library without having copies duplicated to that 
ITunes library; because, every single time I try to add files without allowing 
ITunes to copy them, ITunes crashes.  I just do not have space enough on my 
drive to have two copies of everything floating around everywhere.

What I want is this.

Give me a player which will allow me to open files from the regular browser 
window; in the app if necessary, and, allow me to cue up one file after the 
other instead of playing it immediately.  I keep saying this; but, no one seems 
to quite understand what I want.  
Cog is the player that comes the closest to what I want; but, it sometimes  
crashes, and, doesn't allow cross fading or overlapping.  VLC appears not to 
have those things either.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

On Sep 11, 2012, at 1:07 PM, Nic Parsons  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'm not sure what software you're talking about. If you're referring to the 
> iTunes DJ, then it can be found in iTunes. If it's not listed in the sources 
> pannel, you can turn it on in the preferences for iTunes. But please not this 
> is perhaps not DJ software as you imagine. It basically just creates a never 
> ending play list to which iTunes continuly adds random tracks. You can add 
> tracks yourself, and you can allow anyone on your network to add tracks and 
> vote on existing ones with the iTuens DJ Party function. If you google for 
> iTunes DJ I'm sure you'll find a host of resources. I ddi.
> 
> On Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:08:24 AM UTC+10, Timothy Clark Music wrote:
> you can get it by downloading it off of torrents.  
>  also, it as far as i know yes needs iTunes. 
>  if you wish you can add me on Skype and i can send you DJ. 
>  it's got a key and everything. 
>  or you can go and get it like i said off of torrents. 
>  my Skype id is djtimothy1 
>  oh, i should point out that i do not enforce
>  the stilling of anyones antalectsual property. 
> 
> Timothy 
>   Your Friend in the music industry 
>  http://www.timothyclarkmusic.tumblr.com
> 
> On Sep 10, 2012, at 7:36 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Would anybody on here using the DJ software for the Mac fill me in a little 
>> on where to get and how to use it?  Is it dependent on the iTunes Library, 
>> or can it be used otherwise?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
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Re: DJ software anyone?

[Timothy Clark Music]

i agree. you should try cog. 
 it's a player you can put song after song and it will play and play. it's 
pretty cool. 
Timothy 
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 http://www.timothyclarkmusic.tumblr.com

On Sep 11, 2012, at 2:29 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> I fricken hate ITunes as a player.  why?  Simple.  ITunes is too damn library 
> dependent.  Let me explain.  When I add stuff to the ITuens Library, it puts 
> files where it wants too; not where I want it too.  I don't want ITunes 
> creating subfolders where I didn't ask for them.  I have a large number of 
> untagged files which are just lose, and, they are exactly where I want them.  
> I can't add stuff to my ITunes library without having copies duplicated to 
> that ITunes library; because, every single time I try to add files without 
> allowing ITunes to copy them, ITunes crashes.  I just do not have space 
> enough on my drive to have two copies of everything floating around 
> everywhere.
> 
> What I want is this.
> 
> Give me a player which will allow me to open files from the regular browser 
> window; in the app if necessary, and, allow me to cue up one file after the 
> other instead of playing it immediately.  I keep saying this; but, no one 
> seems to quite understand what I want.  
> Cog is the player that comes the closest to what I want; but, it sometimes  
> crashes, and, doesn't allow cross fading or overlapping.  VLC appears not to 
> have those things either.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Sep 11, 2012, at 1:07 PM, Nic Parsons  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm not sure what software you're talking about. If you're referring to the 
>> iTunes DJ, then it can be found in iTunes. If it's not listed in the sources 
>> pannel, you can turn it on in the preferences for iTunes. But please not 
>> this is perhaps not DJ software as you imagine. It basically just creates a 
>> never ending play list to which iTunes continuly adds random tracks. You can 
>> add tracks yourself, and you can allow anyone on your network to add tracks 
>> and vote on existing ones with the iTuens DJ Party function. If you google 
>> for iTunes DJ I'm sure you'll find a host of resources. I ddi.
>> 
>> On Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:08:24 AM UTC+10, Timothy Clark Music 
>> wrote:
>> you can get it by downloading it off of torrents.  
>>  also, it as far as i know yes needs iTunes. 
>>  if you wish you can add me on Skype and i can send you DJ. 
>>  it's got a key and everything. 
>>  or you can go and get it like i said off of torrents. 
>>  my Skype id is djtimothy1 
>>  oh, i should point out that i do not enforce
>>  the stilling of anyones antalectsual property. 
>> 
>> Timothy 
>>   Your Friend in the music industry 
>>  http://www.timothyclarkmusic.tumblr.com
>> 
>> On Sep 10, 2012, at 7:36 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Would anybody on here using the DJ software for the Mac fill me in a little 
>>> on where to get and how to use it?  Is it dependent on the iTunes Library, 
>>> or can it be used otherwise?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> 
>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>> 
>>> Skype name:
>>> barefootedray
>>> 
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Re: External Speakers for the iMac?

[Timothy Clark Music]

no problem. 
Timothy 
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 http://www.timothyclarkmusic.tumblr.com

On Sep 11, 2012, at 1:32 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:

> Hey Tim, Just wanted to say thanks for the suggestions, I will check
> these out
> 
> On Sep 10, 11:35 pm, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> I would like to get some external speakers for the Imac as I listen to
>> movies with descriptive video through the web. The only other option I
>> would like is to have the option to hook my Iphone up to the speakers
>> as well. I probably don't care if they are bluetooth or wired as long
>> as they are good and I connect the Iphone. Can anyone suggest a pair,
>> also don't want to shell out $300 bucks so affordability is important
>> to. Thanks
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Re: ZCaptcha Released

[Scott Davert]

Also, does Web Visum work on the Mac? If not, well, this is a solution
for Apple users. Which, as it dstands, to my knowledge, none other
than this exists.

Scott

On 9/11/12, Buddy Brannan  wrote:
> Hi Earle,
>
> TANSTAAFL, my friend. That's "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch".
>
> While Webvisum is free (as in beer), at least, no cost to you, the service
> does cost to maintain. We're talking about server space and bandwidth, at
> the very least, possibly development costs as well. Remember when it went
> down for a few days not too long ago, because of a registration renewal
> SNAFU? What if they couldn't afford to renew the domain name or the space
> used to run it? They do take donations, too.
>
> What about the ill-fated Solona? It died right along with Bernardo. It was a
> one man show, for all intents and purposes, and done by him, alone, for
> love, because he perceived a need.
>
> What is it about blind people that we don't want to pay for things that
> deserve to be paid for?
> --
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> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>
>
>
> On Sep 11, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Earle  wrote:
>
>> I understand the need to make money and the need to pay for server costs
>> etc.  I just don't think this is a realistic option for most people.
>> Webvisum iOS free and the nightly builds of fire fox work well enough with
>> voiceover to solve captious. I just don't see the point in paying for
>> something that can already be done for free using existing methods.
>>
>> JMO
>> --
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>>
>> Msn:  peterson...@sympatico.ca
>>
>> Skype, Twitter, Facebook, and Yahoo:  rowdyamerican
>>
>> Aim:  rowdyamerican28
>>
>> On 2012-09-11, at 12:09 PM, Brandon Olivares 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Yes. It is necessary, as we pay for the captchas to go to Amazon Turk,
>>> and simply add enough for ourselves to continue to operate. Our
>>> livelihood is the programs and services that I develop, so without
>>> charging we could not do this.
>>>
>>> Brandon
>>> On Sep 11, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Timothy Clark Music
>>>  wrote:
>>>
 so essentially we pay for zcapsha?

 Timothy
   Your Friend in the music industry
  http://www.timothyclarkmusic.tumblr.com

 On Sep 10, 2012, at 9:22 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote:

> Hello,
>
> As promised a few days ago, ZCaptcha has been released today.
>
> It is only in beta, so please be patient with any errors, and please
> also report them to me if you find any. I'll be adding more in the
> coming days, including the ability to email your screenshot, but for
> now it is working very well. The site itself is under serious
> development as well.
>
> The more active this is, the faster it will return, so forgive any
> slowness in the beginning, please.
>
> Here is the address:
>
> http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha
>
> You must first create an account, which only takes a minute, and put
> money on the account.
>
> This is the page to upload your screenshot:
>
> http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha/upload.html
>
> I hope you enjoy and that you find this helpful.
>
> Thanks,
> Brandon
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Re: DJ software anyone?

[Ray Foret Jr]

Sure it is that.  but, I would need some slight overlap and cross fading also; 
and, cog will not do that.  They never bothered to get back to me when I asked 
them to put those things in.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

On Sep 11, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Timothy Clark Music  
wrote:

> i agree. you should try cog. 
>  it's a player you can put song after song and it will play and play. it's 
> pretty cool. 
> Timothy 
>   Your Friend in the music industry 
>  http://www.timothyclarkmusic.tumblr.com
> 
> On Sep 11, 2012, at 2:29 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> 
>> I fricken hate ITunes as a player.  why?  Simple.  ITunes is too damn 
>> library dependent.  Let me explain.  When I add stuff to the ITuens Library, 
>> it puts files where it wants too; not where I want it too.  I don't want 
>> ITunes creating subfolders where I didn't ask for them.  I have a large 
>> number of untagged files which are just lose, and, they are exactly where I 
>> want them.  I can't add stuff to my ITunes library without having copies 
>> duplicated to that ITunes library; because, every single time I try to add 
>> files without allowing ITunes to copy them, ITunes crashes.  I just do not 
>> have space enough on my drive to have two copies of everything floating 
>> around everywhere.
>> 
>> What I want is this.
>> 
>> Give me a player which will allow me to open files from the regular browser 
>> window; in the app if necessary, and, allow me to cue up one file after the 
>> other instead of playing it immediately.  I keep saying this; but, no one 
>> seems to quite understand what I want.  
>> Cog is the player that comes the closest to what I want; but, it sometimes  
>> crashes, and, doesn't allow cross fading or overlapping.  VLC appears not to 
>> have those things either.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> On Sep 11, 2012, at 1:07 PM, Nic Parsons  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure what software you're talking about. If you're referring to the 
>>> iTunes DJ, then it can be found in iTunes. If it's not listed in the 
>>> sources pannel, you can turn it on in the preferences for iTunes. But 
>>> please not this is perhaps not DJ software as you imagine. It basically 
>>> just creates a never ending play list to which iTunes continuly adds random 
>>> tracks. You can add tracks yourself, and you can allow anyone on your 
>>> network to add tracks and vote on existing ones with the iTuens DJ Party 
>>> function. If you google for iTunes DJ I'm sure you'll find a host of 
>>> resources. I ddi.
>>> 
>>> On Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:08:24 AM UTC+10, Timothy Clark Music 
>>> wrote:
>>> you can get it by downloading it off of torrents.  
>>>  also, it as far as i know yes needs iTunes. 
>>>  if you wish you can add me on Skype and i can send you DJ. 
>>>  it's got a key and everything. 
>>>  or you can go and get it like i said off of torrents. 
>>>  my Skype id is djtimothy1 
>>>  oh, i should point out that i do not enforce
>>>  the stilling of anyones antalectsual property. 
>>> 
>>> Timothy 
>>>   Your Friend in the music industry 
>>>  http://www.timothyclarkmusic.tumblr.com
>>> 
>>> On Sep 10, 2012, at 7:36 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 Would anybody on here using the DJ software for the Mac fill me in a 
 little on where to get and how to use it?  Is it dependent on the iTunes 
 Library, or can it be used otherwise?
 
 Thanks.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
 Skype name:
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Re: Numbers Help with doing a Find

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Brian,

This is messy, but it might work. I haven't tried it in Mountain Lion but it 
works in Lion.

To find specific content,
Turn cursor tracking off;
Press Command-f and enter search term and press Return;
Stop interacting then navigate down and interact with scroll area;
Interact with table:
Find desired result;
Bring mouse to VO cursor and do a mouse click (VO-Shift-Space);
Stop interacting with table and scroll area;
Navigate up to next scroll area;
Interact with scroll area, Layout area, and Layout item;
You will be on the selected cell;
Press VO-Shift-T to identify the cell.

Cheers,

Anne


On 11 Sep 2012, at 19:42, Brian Fischler wrote:

> Hey all, well the geniuses at Apple were no help, maybe that is why
> they dropped the genius tag. All of this worked in Lion, but doesn't
> work in Mountain Lion. I called Apple and the Voiceover specialist had
> no clue how to use numbers and the numbers specialist I am pretty sure
> had never heard of Voiceover, as it was like I was speaking Greek to
> him. I of course emailed Apple Accessibility as well, and got the
> typical we're aware of the problem and are working on it, but can't
> comment when it will be fixed. Apple's customer service has really
> gone down hill.
> 
> Here is my problem. I work with large spreadsheets in Nyumbers. A lot
> of the time I need to jump to a cell that I know is 2/3 down the the
> page. In Lion as crazy as this was, it worked, I would hit VO F enter
> my search criteria, then hit VO G, followed by VO J, I assume this
> pulled up a search results box, I would then do a VO shift down arrow
> to interact act, and then a shift tab to jump to the actual result in
> the page. Since installing Mountain Lion this shortcut no longer
> works, and I haven't been able to find anything else to help me jump
> to a search result in the page. Now hitting the shift tab actually
> stops you from interacting with the page.
> 
> Has anyone found a way to do a search and find in Numbers? Thanks
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Re: Apple TV and Voiceover and how does it work?

[Christina C.]

one thing i love about apple TV is that our good speakers are hooked up to our 
TV and so I can use my iPhone to listen to my play lists, Pandora, or Songza on 
my good speakers through the apple TV through air play.
Sent from Christina's iMac :)

On Sep 11, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Nic Parsons  wrote:

> No, you can't use an Apple TV without a regular TV. The Apple TV is just a 
> little box that connects to your regular TV by HDMI kable.
> 
> On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 8:52:24 AM UTC+10, Stacey Robinson wrote:
> I have a question. Can you use an apple tv without a regular tv. 
> On Sep 10, 2012, at 5:25 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote: 
> 
> > Hi there 
> > I have no site, and I have a AppleTV. I guess you could say sort of, that 
> > it's like iTunes for your TV. You can get Netflix, movies, watch YouTube, 
> > and I can't remember what else. 
> > It's got the same voice like the iPhone. It has a little remote. There's 
> > not many controls, and it can take you like five minutes to learn it, 
> > especially if you have an iPhone or an iPad already. 
> > I'm not sure what else to tell you, so ask specific questions if you need 
> > more. 
> > Gigi 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone 
> > 
> > On Sep 10, 2012, at 4:12 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote: 
> > 
> >> Dear Listers, 
> >> 
> >> I'm trying to learn as much as possible about Apple TV. Has anyone got any 
> >> experience of it on the list, especially anyone who's got no sight at all? 
> >> How does it work? I have a number of films/tv programmes which `i'd like 
> >> to watch/listen to with sighted friends on an ordinary TV screen. Is it 
> >> possible? What else is Apple TV for? I've gathered from searching through 
> >> some of the posts on the list that Apple TV has Voiceover access but I 
> >> don't quite understand how it works. What are the benefits of Apple TV? 
> >> 
> >> If anyone could contact me and share, feel free to do so outside the list. 
> >> I'm aware that maybe this is not the right topic to discuss on the list. 
> >> 
> >> With best wishes 
> >> 
> >> Andrew 
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> either the iCloud or a Mac, iPod, iPHone or iPad. You can, for example, rent 
> movies from the iTunes store directly from the Apple TV, or air play your 
> music from your iPHone through your TV. But you do need a regular TV to 
> connect the Apple TV to.
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Re: spaces?

[Christina C.]

It really frustrates me.  I hope someone can either help me understand how to 
use it and it's benefits or tell me how to avoid getting into these spaces.
Sent from Christina's iMac :)

On Sep 11, 2012, at 10:01 AM, Timothy Clark Music  
wrote:

> no you are fine. i've got no idea what they are either. 
>  i think it's like the dashboard. 
>  i also keep ending up in them. 
>  
> Timothy 
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>  http://www.timothyclarkmusic.tumblr.com
> 
> On Sep 11, 2012, at 11:55 AM, Christina C. wrote:
> 
>> What in the world is spaces and how in the world do I seem to end up in 
>> "spaces with applications"?  I don't like this experience because I cannot 
>> find safari windows that I have open and I cannot access them.  I don't even 
>> know how I am getting in this spaces thing.  I apologize for my ignorance 
>> but this is frustrating.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Sent from Christina's iMac :)
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Re: ZCaptcha Released

[Chris]

No Webvisum does not work on the mac unless you are running a nightly 
build of Firefox.



Sent from my Windows laptop.

On 11/09/2012 19:53, Scott Davert wrote:

Also, does Web Visum work on the Mac? If not, well, this is a solution
for Apple users. Which, as it dstands, to my knowledge, none other
than this exists.

Scott

On 9/11/12, Buddy Brannan  wrote:

Hi Earle,

TANSTAAFL, my friend. That's "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch".

While Webvisum is free (as in beer), at least, no cost to you, the service
does cost to maintain. We're talking about server space and bandwidth, at
the very least, possibly development costs as well. Remember when it went
down for a few days not too long ago, because of a registration renewal
SNAFU? What if they couldn't afford to renew the domain name or the space
used to run it? They do take donations, too.

What about the ill-fated Solona? It died right along with Bernardo. It was a
one man show, for all intents and purposes, and done by him, alone, for
love, because he perceived a need.

What is it about blind people that we don't want to pay for things that
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On Sep 11, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Earle  wrote:


I understand the need to make money and the need to pay for server costs
etc.  I just don't think this is a realistic option for most people.
Webvisum iOS free and the nightly builds of fire fox work well enough with
voiceover to solve captious. I just don't see the point in paying for
something that can already be done for free using existing methods.

JMO
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On 2012-09-11, at 12:09 PM, Brandon Olivares 
wrote:


Hello,

Yes. It is necessary, as we pay for the captchas to go to Amazon Turk,
and simply add enough for ourselves to continue to operate. Our
livelihood is the programs and services that I develop, so without
charging we could not do this.

Brandon
On Sep 11, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Timothy Clark Music
 wrote:


so essentially we pay for zcapsha?

Timothy
   Your Friend in the music industry
  http://www.timothyclarkmusic.tumblr.com

On Sep 10, 2012, at 9:22 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote:


Hello,

As promised a few days ago, ZCaptcha has been released today.

It is only in beta, so please be patient with any errors, and please
also report them to me if you find any. I'll be adding more in the
coming days, including the ability to email your screenshot, but for
now it is working very well. The site itself is under serious
development as well.

The more active this is, the faster it will return, so forgive any
slowness in the beginning, please.

Here is the address:

http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha

You must first create an account, which only takes a minute, and put
money on the account.

This is the page to upload your screenshot:

http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha/upload.html

I hope you enjoy and that you find this helpful.

Thanks,
Brandon

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Re: Apple TV and Voiceover and how does it work?

[Chris Blouch]

I have my MacMini hooked up to the home theatre and it sounds great. I 
used the digital optical output and run it to the digital optical in on 
the receiver. It does all the 5.1 output from DVDs and such as well 
although you lose volume control on the mini and have to do that through 
the receiver instead.


CB

On 9/11/12 3:17 PM, Christina C. wrote:
one thing i love about apple TV is that our good speakers are hooked 
up to our TV and so I can use my iPhone to listen to my play lists, 
Pandora, or Songza on my good speakers through the apple TV through 
air play.

Sent from Christina's iMac :)

On Sep 11, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Nic Parsons 
mailto:mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:


No, you can't use an Apple TV without a regular TV. The Apple TV is 
just a little box that connects to your regular TV by HDMI kable.


On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 8:52:24 AM UTC+10, Stacey Robinson wrote:

I have a question. Can you use an apple tv without a regular tv.
On Sep 10, 2012, at 5:25 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

> Hi there
> I have no site, and I have a AppleTV. I guess you could say
sort of, that it's like iTunes for your TV. You can get Netflix,
movies, watch YouTube, and I can't remember what else.
> It's got the same voice like the iPhone. It has a little
remote. There's not many controls, and it can take you like five
minutes to learn it, especially if you have an iPhone or an iPad
already.
> I'm not sure what else to tell you, so ask specific questions
if you need more.
> Gigi
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 10, 2012, at 4:12 PM, Andrew Lamanche
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Listers,
>>
>> I'm trying to learn as much as possible about Apple TV. Has
anyone got any experience of it on the list, especially anyone
who's got no sight at all? How does it work? I have a number of
films/tv programmes which `i'd like to watch/listen to with
sighted friends on an ordinary TV screen. Is it possible? What
else is Apple TV for? I've gathered from searching through some
of the posts on the list that Apple TV has Voiceover access but I
don't quite understand how it works. What are the benefits of
Apple TV?
>>
>> If anyone could contact me and share, feel free to do so
outside the list. I'm aware that maybe this is not the right
topic to discuss on the list.
>>
>> With best wishes
>>
>> Andrew
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your TV from either the iCloud or a Mac, iPod, iPHone or iPad.
You can, for example, rent movies from the iTunes store directly
from the Apple TV, or air play your music from your iPHone
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More Info Disclosure feature

[Emilio Hernandez]

Hello everyone,

Within the information feature of a file exists the more information element 
that provides more detailed data about a file or folder.
This is hit or miss when I expand to view the source info, so is there a more 
reliable way that can show me the same information?

Thank you all.

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vo and osascript: help with output command

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
I'd like to use osascript to tell vo to output text, which would be part of a 
python module. Long story short, can someone provide a quick example of the 
exact syntax? I thought it might be:
osascript tell voiceover to output "hello world"
but I'm guessing at punctuation and exact wording. Any help would be great. 
Thanks.


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Selecting audio in Sound Studio

[Francisco Salvador Crespo]

Hi everyone,

I'd like to know how to select a part of an archive to copy, cut or add efects, 
all with sound Studio

Thanks,
Francisco Salvador Crespo
Cómo contactarme/How to contact me
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keynote tutorials

[May and Noah]

Good afternoon.

Are there tutorials for learning how to use keynote with voiceover or a place 
where I can find the keyboard commands for it?

Thanks very much. Now off to class.

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Re: keynote tutorials

[Alex Hall]

I don't know about tutorials, but key commands are always in the menus. Go 
through menus until you find the command you want, and vo will announce the 
keystroke for it, if one exists. That's how I find all the keystrokes I know in 
all my apps.
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> Good afternoon.
> 
> Are there tutorials for learning how to use keynote with voiceover or a place 
> where I can find the keyboard commands for it?
> 
> Thanks very much. Now off to class.
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Re: switching languages on iPhone

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
Got it! Thanks!
On Sep 10, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Chris Bruinenberg wrote:

> you have to add the voice into your router.
> Go to settings general accessibility and voiceover.
> Then go to language router.
> add the spanish voice and you will see it in your language section of the 
> router.
> 
> Sent from my Macbook Pro.
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scanning apps

[Chris Bruinenberg]

Hi all.
Does anybody have a recommendation for scanning apps?
I will be taking a spanish class this fall and will need to scan papers and 
maybe a book.
thanks.
Chris


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Accessible Spanish English Dictionary

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
It appears that Ultralingua for iPhone is accessible. The app is $19.95. 
Thought you'd want to know.

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reminders app?

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
I'm curious: does anyone actually use reminders? I tried once, but the layout 
seemed pretty cluttered from vo's perspective; it seems like it owuld be more 
work to launch the app, slog through the interface to get to a reminder, and 
check it, then to just write something down in textedit and leave it open. I 
know reminders sync to iOS, but still... has anyone made successful use of this 
app? If so, how?


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Audio cd burning

[Lisette Wesseling]

Hi,
What Mac app  are people using to burn audio cds which can be played on a 
conventional stereo?
Thanks

Lisette

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Re: scanning apps

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Chris,

The best OCR app for Mac is ABBYY FineReader Express but I've never managed to 
get it to scan more than one page at a time. For this reason, I use VueScan to 
do the scanning part. It will scan multiple pages into one file that FineReader 
can then process all at once.

If you go down this route, I can send you my setup guide to make these two apps 
work together.

FineReader can handle up to three languages in one document.

Cheers,

Anne


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> Does anybody have a recommendation for scanning apps?
> I will be taking a spanish class this fall and will need to scan papers and 
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> thanks.
> Chris
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