Re: ColorVisor, color identifier for iPhone

[Jan Blüher]

Hi Rafael,

thanks for your suggestion. However, OCR is some quite complex staff, which I 
am not experienced in.
Anyway, there are some OCR apps on the App Store (e.g. PERFECT OCR), although I 
do not know about their accessibility.

Greetings

Jan

---
ColorVisor - The app to identify colors.
Now available on the iTunes App Store:
http://itunes.apple.com/de/app/colorvisor/id511093568?mt=8&ls=1
---
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visorApps - Accessible apps for iPad & iPhone
Bayreuther Str. 2
D-01187 Dresden
Germany

phone: +49 (0) 351 16053907
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Am 01.05.2012 um 18:39 schrieb Bejarano, Rafael P.:

> Hello Jan,
> 
> If you are interested in developing an app with a ready market, I suggest a 
> reasonably priced OCR APP for the iPhone.  You may know that Kurzweil has 
> developed such an app for the National Federation of the Blind, but it costs 
> over $1000 and is not available on the iPhone.
> 
> Just thought you might be interested, as a developer.
> 
> Cordially,
> Rafael Bejarano
> On May 1, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Jan Blüher wrote:
> 
> Hallo MacVisionaries,
> 
> my name is Jan Blueher. I'm a blind developer of iPhone and iPad apps. My app 
> ColorVisor is a color identifier that blind people may use for their needs. 
> VoiceOver is fully supported.
> 
> You will find the app on the App Store at
> http://iTunes.com/app/ColorVisor
> 
> More information about the app can be found on my web site at
> http://visorApps.com/en/ColorVisor/
> 
> and there is an AppleVis app test at
> http://www.applevis.com/ios-app-directory/utilities/colorvisor
> 
> Every feedback to the ColorVisor and questions about app development in 
> general are very much appreciated.
> 
> Greetings from Dresden (Germany)
> 
> Jan Blueher
> 
> ---
> ColorVisor - The app to identify colors.
> Now available on the iTunes App Store:
> http://itunes.apple.com/de/app/colorvisor/id511093568?mt=8&ls=1
> ---
> Dr. Jan Blüher
> visorApps - Accessible apps for iPad & iPhone
> Bayreuther Str. 2
> D-01187 Dresden
> Germany
> 
> phone: +49 (0) 351 16053907
> mobile: +49 (0) 176 34926242
> e-mail: jan.blue...@visorapps.com
> web: http://visorApps.com
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/#visorApps
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/VisorApps
> 
> tax number: DE281706766
> 
> 
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Re: ColorVisor, color identifier for iPhone

[Anne Robertson]

Prizmo is a really good multilingual OCr app for the iPhone. There's certainly 
a learning curve but I've had great success with it and I have no sight at all.

Cheers,

Anne


On 2 May 2012, at 09:09, Jan Blüher wrote:

> Hi Rafael,
> 
> thanks for your suggestion. However, OCR is some quite complex staff, which I 
> am not experienced in.
> Anyway, there are some OCR apps on the App Store (e.g. PERFECT OCR), although 
> I do not know about their accessibility.
> 
> Greetings
> 
> Jan
> 
> ---
> ColorVisor - The app to identify colors.
> Now available on the iTunes App Store:
> http://itunes.apple.com/de/app/colorvisor/id511093568?mt=8&ls=1
> ---
> Dr. Jan Blüher
> visorApps - Accessible apps for iPad & iPhone
> Bayreuther Str. 2
> D-01187 Dresden
> Germany
> 
> phone: +49 (0) 351 16053907
> mobile: +49 (0) 176 34926242
> e-mail: jan.blue...@visorapps.com
> web: http://visorApps.com
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/#visorApps
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/VisorApps
> 
> tax number: DE281706766
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Am 01.05.2012 um 18:39 schrieb Bejarano, Rafael P.:
> 
>> Hello Jan,
>> 
>> If you are interested in developing an app with a ready market, I suggest a 
>> reasonably priced OCR APP for the iPhone.  You may know that Kurzweil has 
>> developed such an app for the National Federation of the Blind, but it costs 
>> over $1000 and is not available on the iPhone.
>> 
>> Just thought you might be interested, as a developer.
>> 
>> Cordially,
>> Rafael Bejarano
>> On May 1, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Jan Blüher wrote:
>> 
>> Hallo MacVisionaries,
>> 
>> my name is Jan Blueher. I'm a blind developer of iPhone and iPad apps. My 
>> app ColorVisor is a color identifier that blind people may use for their 
>> needs. VoiceOver is fully supported.
>> 
>> You will find the app on the App Store at
>> http://iTunes.com/app/ColorVisor
>> 
>> More information about the app can be found on my web site at
>> http://visorApps.com/en/ColorVisor/
>> 
>> and there is an AppleVis app test at
>> http://www.applevis.com/ios-app-directory/utilities/colorvisor
>> 
>> Every feedback to the ColorVisor and questions about app development in 
>> general are very much appreciated.
>> 
>> Greetings from Dresden (Germany)
>> 
>> Jan Blueher
>> 
>> ---
>> ColorVisor - The app to identify colors.
>> Now available on the iTunes App Store:
>> http://itunes.apple.com/de/app/colorvisor/id511093568?mt=8&ls=1
>> ---
>> Dr. Jan Blüher
>> visorApps - Accessible apps for iPad & iPhone
>> Bayreuther Str. 2
>> D-01187 Dresden
>> Germany
>> 
>> phone: +49 (0) 351 16053907
>> mobile: +49 (0) 176 34926242
>> e-mail: jan.blue...@visorapps.com
>> web: http://visorApps.com
>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/#visorApps
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/VisorApps
>> 
>> tax number: DE281706766
>> 
>> 
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help on PDF files

[Luke Henson]

Hey guys 

I was wondering if anyone knew where I could find out more infomation about 
reading PDF files with voice over

I want to know for example, why most can be read easily, and then bump into one 
that just wont read  at all?

I have also found some PDF files  yes you read straight through,  and  then it 
seems like words kinda get mixed up within the text


any help with any thing  would be awsome 


thanks,  ?

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Re: Soundstudio help

[Robert Carter]

Hi,

I use Sound Studio to edit my podcast. Make sure to turn cursor tracking off 
and it works great. I have a basic and brief demonstration on my website of how 
to edit with Sound Studio. It is the third or fourth podcast from the top of 
the page.
http://www.dr-carter.com

Robert Carter


On May 1, 2012, at 7:57 AM, Matt Dierckens wrote:

> Hi folks, I'm messing around with soundstudio and it looks really nice. 
> However, I can't seem to figure out how to edit with it. Such as, marking 
> position, and setting a marker. Any help on or off list is appreciated. Thank 
> you. :)
> 
> Matt
> Sent from my mac
> Twitter: matt692
> msn: matt...@live.com
> skype: blindman3221
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undimmed item

[Pam Mathers]

Hi.  I have a question.  How do you undim an item.  Somehow or other, whenever 
I go to safari, it will let me type in the webb address, but when I press 
enter, it will not allow me to enterin to anything.  When I press the foreward 
button and back button it says that both items are dimmed. I think that is why 
I can't get in to any webb pages on safari, no matter which one I go to.  Does 
anyone know how to fix the problem.  Thanks.

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Captia solving on the mac.

[Daniel Miller]

Hello,

 

I know that in Windows you can use Webvism to solve captias with Firefox. Is
there a similar method for solving them using Safari?

Any help would be appreciated.

 

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Re: Captia solving on the mac.

[Ray Foret Jr]

No. there is not.  Solona is dead.  However, with Firefox soon to be accessible 
on the Mac, this may be a moot point.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
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On May 2, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller wrote:

> Hello,
>  
> I know that in Windows you can use Webvism to solve captias with Firefox. Is 
> there a similar method for solving them using Safari?
> Any help would be appreciated.
>  
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For the attention of All braille Users.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hello.

I am cross posting just in case I miss some people who have braille displays.

I was completing a survey which Mike sent using my I phone 4S using my braille 
display and each time got to a pop up button or a button that needed checking, 
it would not happen until I tapped my I Phone screen.

Would all braille users do the same and tell me if they have this problem 
please?

Kawal.

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RE: Captia solving on the mac.

[Daniel Miller]

Hmmm, that's not good at all. And, even if Firefox does become accessible on
OS X, Webvism would still need to be made for the OS X platform.

 

 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 8:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Captia solving on the mac.

 

No. there is not.  Solona is dead.  However, with Firefox soon to be
accessible on the Mac, this may be a moot point.

 

 

Sincerely,

The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

 

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

 

Skype name:

barefootedray

 

Facebook:

facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1  





 

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Hello,

 

I know that in Windows you can use Webvism to solve captias with Firefox. Is
there a similar method for solving them using Safari?

Any help would be appreciated.

 

 

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Re: For the attention of All braille Users.

[Cheree Heppe]

Cheree Heppe here:
Do you meam that you must tap the corresponding checkbox on the screen or that 
once positioned in a checkbox, tapping the screen is required to activate the 
checkbox?

Regards,
Cheree Heppe


Sent from my iPhone

On 02/05/2012, at 6:46, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> Hello.
> 
> I am cross posting just in case I miss some people who have braille displays.
> 
> I was completing a survey which Mike sent using my I phone 4S using my 
> braille display and each time got to a pop up button or a button that needed 
> checking, it would not happen until I tapped my I Phone screen.
> 
> Would all braille users do the same and tell me if they have this problem 
> please?
> 
> Kawal.
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Announcing The Open Eyes Foundation

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

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Dear All,

It is with pleasure that I would like to announce that following a good few 
months of work, the first steps towards my latest project have been now 
finalised.

Today, The Open Eyes Foundation takes its first steps onto the International 
stage, it is our aim that this organisation, which is the first of its kind, 
will revolutionise our communities lives for the better.

It is important to remember that the Foundation is still very much in its 
infancy, but, you can gleam much about our intentions and objectives by reading 
the few pages of text that we have already published.

Very shortly we shall begin excepting memberships from individuals from around 
the world, we are hoping to be truly representative of all of our members, to 
act as one in bringing about change for all.

We will be looking for certain members to take on core roles within our 
Organisation, and as such, during the sign up process you will be invited to 
outline any attributes which may prove of benefit to the Foundation.

Membership is not yet possible, although we hope to be able to start accepting 
members within the next few weeks.

In the mean time, you are very welcome to follow us on Twitter;

Twitter ID: @TheOEF

or, simply book mark our official site and check back every week or so to see 
when this process begins.

This is an exciting time within our community, and it is my desire to see us, 
people from within our community, begin to take the initiative and shape our 
future into something we all can be proud of.

Kind regards.

Neil Barnfather

Founding Member
The Open Eyes Foundation.
@TheOEF

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Advice on switching from PC

[Will_C]

Hi all!  New to the group, but have been lurking and reading for a
while and wanted some input on some of my specific questions.

A little about me: I still have a fair bit of usable vision left,
though my eyes get tired quickly and thus I use a combination of
Zoomtext (with the doc reader) as well as Jaws for longer texts as I
find constantly scrolling back and forth with the magnification very
tiring and disorienting as I have to bump up magnification more and
more.  I also used OCR and readers (K1000 traditionally) for school
reading.  I’m going to law school in the fall, and so will obviously
be doing a TON of reading and writing, for which I rely entirely upon
my computers.

In the past, I’ve run into issues during research when neither ZT or
JFW could easily interface with the various databases, and I’ll be
working with these even more come September.  I’ve hummed and hahhed
about making a switch to Mac after hearing almost nothing negative
about them, and I’ve read and reread discussions on this and other
sites about comparisons between ZT vs Zoom and JFW/NVDA/etc vs
VoiceOver.  I’m aware that all these products have their pro’s and
con’s, and while I would love further input or feedback on these
tools, my specific concerns are outlined below.

1.  Can anyone provide specific insight on how well Zoom interacts
with advanced word processors and office suites, specifically iWork or
Office for Mac?  I’ve heard mixed reviews regarding tracking, font
smoothing, but will have to write long papers and put together
presentations that need to be compatible with other students’ systems
for group assignments.

2.  Could anyone offer insights on how VO and/or Zoom might be able to
handle online databases with a variety of html, scanned and .pdf based
documents, hidden frames, and other database programming that I’m just
not familiar with?  JFW and ZT often can’t find any text to lock onto
in my previous experience with these databases.

3.  What are the best OCR options for the Mac?

Other general comments or recommendations about making or not making a
switch to the Mac for someone who will be doing extensive document-
based research and writing would also be more than welcome.

Thanks in advance for any and all feedback!

Cheers,
Will

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It is with pleasure that I would like to announce that following a good few 
months of work, the first steps towards my latest project have been now 
finalised.

Today, The Open Eyes Foundation takes its first steps onto the International 
stage, it is our aim that this organisation, which is the first of its kind, 
will revolutionise our communities lives for the better.

It is important to remember that the Foundation is still very much in its 
infancy, but, you can gleam much about our intentions and objectives by reading 
the few pages of text that we have already published.

Very shortly we shall begin excepting memberships from individuals from around 
the world, we are hoping to be truly representative of all of our members, to 
act as one in bringing about change for all.

We will be looking for certain members to take on core roles within our 
Organisation, and as such, during the sign up process you will be invited to 
outline any attributes which may prove of benefit to the Foundation.

Membership is not yet possible, although we hope to be able to start accepting 
members within the next few weeks.

In the mean time, you are very welcome to follow us on Twitter;

Twitter ID: @TheOEF

or, simply book mark our official site and check back every week or so to see 
when this process begins.

This is an exciting time within our community, and it is my desire to see us, 
people from within our community, begin to take the initiative and shape our 
future into something we all can be proud of.

Kind regards.

Neil Barnfather

Founding Member
The Open Eyes Foundation.
@TheOEF

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Re: Captia solving on the mac.

[Teresa Cochran]

There actually is no current method on the Mac. It's hoped that Firefox will be 
more accessible in the near future, but that hasn't happened yet. Currently, I 
boot into Linux and use Firefox there.

Teresa

"Slow down; you'll get there faster."

On May 2, 2012, at 6:37 AM, Daniel Miller wrote:

> Hello,
>  
> I know that in Windows you can use Webvism to solve captias with Firefox. Is 
> there a similar method for solving them using Safari?
> Any help would be appreciated.
>  
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Re: For the attention of All braille Users.

[Teresa Cochran]

I use the selection button on popup menus instead of the routing buttons.

Teresa

"Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. Feynman

On May 2, 2012, at 7:21 AM, Cheree Heppe wrote:

> Cheree Heppe here:
> Do you meam that you must tap the corresponding checkbox on the screen or 
> that once positioned in a checkbox, tapping the screen is required to 
> activate the checkbox?
> 
> Regards,
> Cheree Heppe
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 02/05/2012, at 6:46, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
>> Hello.
>> 
>> I am cross posting just in case I miss some people who have braille displays.
>> 
>> I was completing a survey which Mike sent using my I phone 4S using my 
>> braille display and each time got to a pop up button or a button that needed 
>> checking, it would not happen until I tapped my I Phone screen.
>> 
>> Would all braille users do the same and tell me if they have this problem 
>> please?
>> 
>> Kawal.
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accessing Facebook info from command line

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Someone wondered:

"I want to build a text-only Facebook client that can be used either
through an HTML interface or a command line interface that can be used
from the terminal. I wish to know if it is possible to access a user's
notifications, messages, request, etc and do small things like post
status updates using c, python, bash scripts, or html. It would be
great if you could point me to an appropriate resource to get started."

Why not use lynx the text based unix/linx browser.

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Re: Solved getting icons to read when changing mailboxes.

[Steve Holmes]

The interaction thing is probably the most confusing but yet powerful
part of VoiceOver.  What I do with my setup in Mail is to interact
with the list of mail boxes which can actually be navigated as a tree
view with expanded and collapsed nodes.  Anyway, once I choose the
mail box I want to work with, I just hit tab without uninteracting;
this puts me on the table of messages for that mail box.  I then
interact with the table of messages.  Now I can move up and down the
list with or without VO keys pressed.  the advantage to not using VO
keys while pressing the arrow keys is I can then use the left and
right arrow keys to collaps and expand nodes respectively.  I should
have noted while talking about the mail box list that if I use the VO
enhanced arrow keys so I then hear the index levels of the boxes
because the ones at "level 0" cannot be accessed directly. An example
of this would be Inbox; in my case, I have two accounts so I have
Inbox and under that I have my two gmail controled accounts.

I am using the modern view with the message preview pane disabled

On 5/1/12, Veronica Elsea  wrote:
> Hi everyone!
> I figured this out today and thought I'd share it here in case it helped
> anyone else.
> Just in case it matters, I didn't make smart mailboxes, only regular dumb
> ones.  When I'd arrow through my mailboxes table to choose a mailbox,
> then when I'd tab back to the messages table VO would only  read one icon,
> rather than reading all that I'd chosen. First I figured out that each time
> I selected a mailbox, if I then exited mail and opened it again, that first
> mailbox would behave properly. Now I've figured out that when I go into the
> messages table, if I am on a message, ask VO to interact, VO says no text to
> interact with, then I uninteract with this nothing, then everything reads
> fine in that bunch of messages.
> It shouldn't be, and it's a bit weird, but at least I have a work-around.
> I'd be curious to hear from any of you who have multiple mailboxes set up.
> Oh, by the way, I'm using pop mail.
> Anyway, I hope this helps someone.
>
> Veronica
>
> Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ
> Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at
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Re: web navigation?

[Steve Holmes]

I have another question for this subject; I thought I had read that
the modes (DOM or Groups) could be selected for each site you go to
and VO would remember that preference when you go back to a given
site.  Did I read this wrong? I do not observe that aspect to be
working on my setup.

The difference I see between DOM and Groups mode is quicker navigation
on those sites where several links are grouped into a single object.
This is especially nice with those navigation links so you don't have
to VO-Right for every single link.  But I have also run into
situations where groups are nested within groups which are also nested
in yet another group so I end up having to interact maybe 3 levels
down before I can get to focus on the desired link.  So it goes both
ways and I'm glad we have the choice.

As was answered, use the rotor to change to different navigation
levels like Character, Worde, Line, Form field, Heading, and several
others.

On 5/1/12, Alex Hall  wrote:
> I've tried both, but I have no idea which is better, or even what the
> difference really is. I have read the help for it, and I am very
> familiar with what a DOM is, but i can't see a difference between the
> functionality of both modes when I'm using either one.
> Yes, I have the arrow keys down well enough. However, back to my
> original question: if there's a long p element (paragraph), how do I
> read line by line, word by word, and so on? Right arrowing will just
> skip the whole thing, or jump to the top of it if I move back to it.
>
> On 5/1/12, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
>> Up / down arrows will move the web rotar selection and left right will
>> move
>> by chunks. Do you use Group or Dom navigation?
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Jonathan
>>
>> Jonathan C. Cohn
>> jonc...@cox.net
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 29, 2012, at 9:15 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>>
>>> I have quick nav on. However, the left/right arrows don't seem to
>>> navigate reliably (I ended up at the bottom of a page, and you can't
>>> read by smaller chunks inside, say, a paragraph of text). Say you're
>>> reading an article and aren't sure how an oddly spoken phrase is
>>> spelled. On Windows, or in an edit area on Mac, you'd arrow to the
>>> line, then move word by word to the phrase, then read word by word or
>>> character by character. How would you do this (efficiently, not by
>>> moving the rotor all over the place and hoping you don't hit the wrong
>>> key and jump out of the entire article) in Chrome or Safari? Even the
>>> "lines" setting on the rotor is not very useful - I still have no idea
>>> what it thinks a "line" is, and it never seems to move me anywhere.
>>>
>>> On 4/29/12, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
 Hi,

 I haven't had much luck with chrome vox.  All it does is crash chrome on
 my
 machine.  If you want to just navigate with arrows, you should just turn
 on
 quick nav by pressing the left and right arrow keys at the same time.

 JMO.

 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info

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> I've heard of Chromevox and I even tried it a while back, but I found
> it
> confusing and difficult to work with. Still, if I can arrow around, it
> might be worth looking into again. Are there any podcasts on it?
> On 29 Apr 2012, at 20:49, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
>
>> You might want to try using chrome vox.  If you hit the command key
>> twice
>> while in chromevox then all the shortcuts are able to be done without
>> holding down command-control.  Chrome Vox does do things a bit
>> different
>> for arrows. Up/Down is your primary navigator and left / right
>> navigates
>> at a smaller incrment.
>>
>> So if up/down is reading sentences then left / right will navigate by
>> word.  In a table however all four arrow keys while in Object
>> navigation
>> will  navigate by table cell.
>>
>> I am not sure if dom/group works in Chomebox. In  Safari and Webkit,
>> DOM
>> mode navigates much like a windows browser with speech. Group mode
>> combines major clusters of information and will navigate as things are
>> layed out on the screen to the most part.
>> Jonathan C. Cohn
>> jonc...@cox.net
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 29, 2012, at 8:21 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I am using Chrome for a web browser, and I have a few questions about
>>> reading and navigating web pages.
>>>
>>> 1. In the vo utility, you can choose either DOM order or grouping.
>>> Which
>>> is better?
>>> 2. Is there a way to disable the web rotor, so the arrows will act
>>> like
>>> they do in text reading or editing? With letter navigation, I see the
>>> web rotor as redundant and I'd rather use the arrow keys in the usual
>>> text navigation way.
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hav

Re: Captia solving on the mac.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

No it wouldn't, as all webvisum is, is a firefox plugin addon.  It already 
supports multi platform.  It's not that we can't already use web visum on the 
mac, it's just we can't accessibly.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Daniel Miller 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 9:48 AM
  Subject: RE: Captia solving on the mac.


  Hmmm, that's not good at all. And, even if Firefox does become accessible on 
OS X, Webvism would still need to be made for the OS X platform.

   

   

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
  Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 8:46 AM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Captia solving on the mac.

   

  No. there is not.  Solona is dead.  However, with Firefox soon to be 
accessible on the Mac, this may be a moot point.

   

   

  Sincerely,

  The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

   

  Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

   

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  On May 2, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller wrote:





  Hello,

   

  I know that in Windows you can use Webvism to solve captias with Firefox. Is 
there a similar method for solving them using Safari?

  Any help would be appreciated.

   

   

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Re: Lost my mailboxes table in mac mail

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Hello,

Not quite sure from your descriptions, but you might just need to expand a 
"tree" item. If scanning your list of mailboxes, you hear collapsed then 
hitting VO-backslash or an unmodified right-arrow will expand the item so you 
can see the enclosed folders.

Best wishes,
Jonathan
  
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On May 1, 2012, at 7:35 PM, Lisette wesseling wrote:

> Oh I knew there was an easy answer. Thank you very much.
> In my gmail account I can't see the spam, starred, all mail, travel folders 
> anymore. There's just an mailbox  called blank under trash with nothing in 
> it. I don't think I've changed any of my gmail settings. Should I be in full 
> screen mode?
> Thanks for helping a new user.  
> On 2/05/2012, at 11:21 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
> 
>> THere should be an option in the View menu, but the shortcut is 
>> command-shift-M.
>> 
>> 
>> Jonathan C. Cohn
>> jonc...@cox.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 1, 2012, at 7:12 PM, Lisette wesseling wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> Please can somebody tell me how to get my mailboxes table back. I can only 
>>> see my inbox and tabbing doesn't get me to my mailboxes table. It just 
>>> takes me to message content group. I've probably just pressed something I 
>>> shouldn't have.
>>> Thanks so much.
>>> 
>>> Lisette
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RE: Captia solving on the mac.

[Daniel Miller]

Ah, my mistake, then. I thought they had  to make it platform-specific.

Do we know when Firefox will become fully VO accessible?

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark
Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 11:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Captia solving on the mac.

 

No it wouldn't, as all webvisum is, is a firefox plugin addon.  It already
supports multi platform.  It's not that we can't already use web visum on
the mac, it's just we can't accessibly.

 

Chris.

 

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From: Daniel Miller   

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 9:48 AM

Subject: RE: Captia solving on the mac.

 

Hmmm, that's not good at all. And, even if Firefox does become accessible on
OS X, Webvism would still need to be made for the OS X platform.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 8:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Captia solving on the mac.

 

No. there is not.  Solona is dead.  However, with Firefox soon to be
accessible on the Mac, this may be a moot point.

 

 

Sincerely,

The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

 

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

 

Skype name:

barefootedray

 

Facebook:

facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1  

 

 

On May 2, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller wrote:

 

Hello,

 

I know that in Windows you can use Webvism to solve captias with Firefox. Is
there a similar method for solving them using Safari?

Any help would be appreciated.

 

 

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Re: Question about itunes store

[Steve Holmes]

I understand all itunes issues have to be resolved online / email.
When you call Apple support, they will most likely give you the URL or
email address to follow through with.  It's stuff like this I wish I
could deal with in person on the phone; generally lots quicker that
way.  You might also try obtaining these tracks from an IOS device if
you have one and sync over the cloud.  Just a thought to try but if
refunds and stuff like that are involved then you would have to
contact Apple anyway.

On 5/1/12, Missy Hoppe  wrote:
> Thanks! It's worth a try. I guess if it doesn't work, I can try calling
> Apple tomorrow. They might be able to point me in the
> right direction on how to get money back if need be.
>
>   _
>
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> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 9:40 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about itunes store
>
>
> Hello Missy,
>
> I had this problem myself and it seemed to fix itself once I restarted my
> computer.
>
> HTH,
>
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> On May 1, 2012, at 6:22 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote:
>
>
> Good evening, all! I had a weird thing happen for the first time when buying
> music from the itunes store. One of the songs I
> bought refuses to download, claiming that the file is corrupt. I've tried
> checking for available downloads multiple times,
> but keep getting the same error. Also, in the same mini shopping spree, I
> got an album where some of the track titles were
> wrong, and were, in fact duplicates of other tracks on the same album. I've
> never had problems like this with the Itunes
> store, and am wondering how I might go about getting tech support or
> requesting a refund for the song I wasn't able to
> download and the ones which were listed on the album but really weren't
> there. Would I just call Apple, or is there an email
> address I should contact. I tried looking at help on the itunes store, but
> couldn't find anything that fit either of the
> situations I'm experiencing. Thank you all for your time, and any advice you
> may have would be extremely appreciated.
> Missy
>
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Re: Captia solving on the mac.

[Earle]

Webvisum can definitely be used on the Mac.  It isn't the smoothest process but 
it is doable.  Earlier in the week there was a blog post stating that the 
nightly builds of Firefox now offer voiceover support.  I downloaded the 
nightly build and I have used webvisum successfully several times.  It isn't 
very easy to do, but it can be done.  I know of a few other people that have 
done this as well.  There is a lot of work to be done in firefox still.  It 
definitely isn't ready to be your main browser of choice, but for solving 
captious it is fine.
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On 2012-05-02, at 12:45 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

> No it wouldn't, as all webvisum is, is a firefox plugin addon.  It already 
> supports multi platform.  It's not that we can't already use web visum on the 
> mac, it's just we can't accessibly.
>  
> Chris.
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Daniel Miller
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 9:48 AM
> Subject: RE: Captia solving on the mac.
> 
> Hmmm, that’s not good at all. And, even if Firefox does become accessible on 
> OS X, Webvism would still need to be made for the OS X platform.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 8:46 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Captia solving on the mac.
>  
> No. there is not.  Solona is dead.  However, with Firefox soon to be 
> accessible on the Mac, this may be a moot point.
>  
>  
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>  
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>  
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
>  
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
> 
> 
>  
> On May 2, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello,
>  
> I know that in Windows you can use Webvism to solve captias with Firefox. Is 
> there a similar method for solving them using Safari?
> Any help would be appreciated.
>  
>  
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RE: Captia solving on the mac.

[Daniel Miller]

What are the steps to do it?

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Earle
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 12:06 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Captia solving on the mac.

 

Webvisum can definitely be used on the Mac.  It isn't the smoothest process
but it is doable.  Earlier in the week there was a blog post stating that
the nightly builds of Firefox now offer voiceover support.  I downloaded the
nightly build and I have used webvisum successfully several times.  It isn't
very easy to do, but it can be done.  I know of a few other people that have
done this as well.  There is a lot of work to be done in firefox still.  It
definitely isn't ready to be your main browser of choice, but for solving
captious it is fine.

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On 2012-05-02, at 12:45 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:





No it wouldn't, as all webvisum is, is a firefox plugin addon.  It already
supports multi platform.  It's not that we can't already use web visum on
the mac, it's just we can't accessibly.

 

Chris.

 

- Original Message -

From: Daniel Miller  

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 9:48 AM

Subject: RE: Captia solving on the mac.

 

Hmmm, that's not good at all. And, even if Firefox does become accessible on
OS X, Webvism would still need to be made for the OS X platform.

 

 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 8:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Captia solving on the mac.

 

No. there is not.  Solona is dead.  However, with Firefox soon to be
accessible on the Mac, this may be a moot point.

 

 

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Hello,

 

I know that in Windows you can use Webvism to solve captias with Firefox. Is
there a similar method for solving them using Safari?

Any help would be appreciated.

 

 

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RE: Question about itunes store

[Missy Hoppe]

Thanks. Unfortunately, I don't own an IOS device, just my macbook, and I don't 
think that having an IToy would solv these
particular problems anyway. I called apple, and she helped me fill out forms 
for Itunes store. I think that in future, I'll
ask for the email address I need to contact if I ever have these kinds of 
problems again. Still haven't heard back from
Itunes, but it's only been a couple of hours, so I won't worry yet. In the mean 
time, I really need to quit buying music
anyway, so this is a good reason to start behaving myself. LOL!


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On Behalf Of Steve Holmes
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 1:07 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about itunes store

I understand all itunes issues have to be resolved online / email.
When you call Apple support, they will most likely give you the URL or email 
address to follow through with.  It's stuff like
this I wish I could deal with in person on the phone; generally lots quicker 
that way.  You might also try obtaining these
tracks from an IOS device if you have one and sync over the cloud.  Just a 
thought to try but if refunds and stuff like that
are involved then you would have to contact Apple anyway.

On 5/1/12, Missy Hoppe  wrote:
> Thanks! It's worth a try. I guess if it doesn't work, I can try
> calling Apple tomorrow. They might be able to point me in the right
> direction on how to get money back if need be.
>
>   _
>
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> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 9:40 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about itunes store
>
>
> Hello Missy,
>
> I had this problem myself and it seemed to fix itself once I restarted
> my computer.
>
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>
> Good evening, all! I had a weird thing happen for the first time when
> buying music from the itunes store. One of the songs I bought refuses
> to download, claiming that the file is corrupt. I've tried checking
> for available downloads multiple times, but keep getting the same
> error. Also, in the same mini shopping spree, I got an album where
> some of the track titles were wrong, and were, in fact duplicates of
> other tracks on the same album. I've never had problems like this with
> the Itunes store, and am wondering how I might go about getting tech
> support or requesting a refund for the song I wasn't able to download
> and the ones which were listed on the album but really weren't there.
> Would I just call Apple, or is there an email address I should
> contact. I tried looking at help on the itunes store, but couldn't
> find anything that fit either of the situations I'm experiencing.
> Thank you all for your time, and any advice you may have would be
> extremely appreciated.
> Missy
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Re: Captia solving on the mac.

[Earle]

You first have to download the nightly build of firefox.  Then go to the 
webvisum site and download the webvisum extension.  You will have to tab around 
to find the install now and restart buttons.  I also found I had to hit enter 
on those buttons.  For some reason vo space wouldn't work.

One of the problems with firefox and vo, is it says busy a lot and it is very 
slow.  Once you log into erbvisum, vo doesn't report whether the checkbox to 
stay logged in is checked or not.  Actually, vo doesn't report any checkboxes 
correctly in firefox.  This is one of the known issues.

To solve a captia you press vo tab to ignore the next keystroke, then press 
control-option-6 to tell webvisum to solve the captia.  If you forget to press 
the ignore next keystroke command, vo tries to move to the web hot spot.  Hope 
this helps someone.  I apologize if the confuses people, but I'm on my way out, 
and I wrote this in a bit of a rush.
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On 2012-05-02, at 1:07 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:

> What are the steps to do it?
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Earle
> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 12:06 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Captia solving on the mac.
>  
> Webvisum can definitely be used on the Mac.  It isn't the smoothest process 
> but it is doable.  Earlier in the week there was a blog post stating that the 
> nightly builds of Firefox now offer voiceover support.  I downloaded the 
> nightly build and I have used webvisum successfully several times.  It isn't 
> very easy to do, but it can be done.  I know of a few other people that have 
> done this as well.  There is a lot of work to be done in firefox still.  It 
> definitely isn't ready to be your main browser of choice, but for solving 
> captious it is fine.
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> On 2012-05-02, at 12:45 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> 
> 
> No it wouldn't, as all webvisum is, is a firefox plugin addon.  It already 
> supports multi platform.  It's not that we can't already use web visum on the 
> mac, it's just we can't accessibly.
>  
> Chris.
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Daniel Miller
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 9:48 AM
> Subject: RE: Captia solving on the mac.
>  
> Hmmm, that’s not good at all. And, even if Firefox does become accessible on 
> OS X, Webvism would still need to be made for the OS X platform.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 8:46 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Captia solving on the mac.
>  
> No. there is not.  Solona is dead.  However, with Firefox soon to be 
> accessible on the Mac, this may be a moot point.
>  
>  
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>  
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>  
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>  
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> 
> 
> 
>  
> On May 2, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Daniel Miller wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hello,
>  
> I know that in Windows you can use Webvism to solve captias with Firefox. Is 
> there a similar method for solving them using Safari?
> Any help would be appreciated.
>  
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Re: For the attention of All braille Users.

[Alex Hall]

I can use popups fine. I double tap (space-3-6 or a cursor key), then
rotor up and down (space-6 or space-3) to find my selection, then
swipe (space-1) to the done button and double tap it.

On 5/2/12, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> I use the selection button on popup menus instead of the routing buttons.
>
> Teresa
>
> "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P.
> Feynman
>
> On May 2, 2012, at 7:21 AM, Cheree Heppe wrote:
>
>> Cheree Heppe here:
>> Do you meam that you must tap the corresponding checkbox on the screen or
>> that once positioned in a checkbox, tapping the screen is required to
>> activate the checkbox?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Cheree Heppe
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 02/05/2012, at 6:46, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello.
>>>
>>> I am cross posting just in case I miss some people who have braille
>>> displays.
>>>
>>> I was completing a survey which Mike sent using my I phone 4S using my
>>> braille display and each time got to a pop up button or a button that
>>> needed checking, it would not happen until I tapped my I Phone screen.
>>>
>>> Would all braille users do the same and tell me if they have this problem
>>> please?
>>>
>>> Kawal.
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Re: Question about Bootcamp

[Chris Blouch]

Just curious whether you could simply use the unix underneath OSX to do 
your bidding. I know there are currently 11721 packages ported to osx 
under macports.org so maybe you can just run them in the Mac 
environment. Just not sure what the key package is in linux that you are 
trying to gain access to.


CB

On 5/2/12 12:37 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

The boot loader may not be necessary, but it makes life easy: I hit m
to boot mac os or w to boot windows when the machine starts, and it
does its thing. I forgot it used non-standard BIOS. Still, if you use
a live cd of linux to format a partition correctly, I'm not sure why
it wouldn't work. Again, google can answer this one way or the other,
and I recommend doing thorough research before doing anything else.

On 5/1/12, Brent Harding  wrote:

Boot Camp will go with Windows Natively, no need for the Refit loader, I
don't think, but for whatever reason, I don't think the system will like
that partition being turned into a linux one. I mean, I'm not sure how the
Mac will take to making a Windows partition, booting a Ubuntu Live CD, and
then turning the partition into the linux type. I thought I read that the
problem has to do with the EFI firmware on mac's instead of the normal PC
Bios that it may not boot the linux partition.

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Subject: Re: Question about Bootcamp



I think so. I use the Refit boot loader (I may have that name wrong)
to boot Mac OS and Windows. I don't see why I couldn't set up another
partition, though. I'm sure google will have plenty of in-depth
articles and tutorials about this. Note that you will need sighted
help to set up some of this, at least I did.

On 5/1/12, Christopher-Mark Gilland  wrote:

I'm pretty sure the short answer to this question will be technically?...
yes... The long answer will probably be, yes, and no.

Technically speaking, Bootcamp is made for either Windows Vista, or
Windows
7.  Is there a way however that I could set up a bootcamp partition, then
install UBuntu, Vinux, or F123 Linux?  preferably either the last two of
the
three.

I know I could do this in VMWare Fusion, ok, fine, that's fair, but
that's
not exactly what I'm wanting to do for various reasons.  For another
thing,
being I'm an audio engineer, I want to keep my mac partition free of
pretty
much anything non audio related for my studio workflow.

Thanks.

Chris.

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RE: Captia solving on the mac.

[Daniel Miller]

Ah, ok. I figured you'd have to ignore the next keystroke.

That helps a lot, actually. Thanks.

 

 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Earle
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 12:36 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Captia solving on the mac.

 

You first have to download the nightly build of firefox.  Then go to the
webvisum site and download the webvisum extension.  You will have to tab
around to find the install now and restart buttons.  I also found I had to
hit enter on those buttons.  For some reason vo space wouldn't work.

 

One of the problems with firefox and vo, is it says busy a lot and it is
very slow.  Once you log into erbvisum, vo doesn't report whether the
checkbox to stay logged in is checked or not.  Actually, vo doesn't report
any checkboxes correctly in firefox.  This is one of the known issues.

 

To solve a captia you press vo tab to ignore the next keystroke, then press
control-option-6 to tell webvisum to solve the captia.  If you forget to
press the ignore next keystroke command, vo tries to move to the web hot
spot.  Hope this helps someone.  I apologize if the confuses people, but I'm
on my way out, and I wrote this in a bit of a rush.

--

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On 2012-05-02, at 1:07 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:





What are the steps to do it?

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Earle
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 12:06 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Captia solving on the mac.

 

Webvisum can definitely be used on the Mac.  It isn't the smoothest process
but it is doable.  Earlier in the week there was a blog post stating that
the nightly builds of Firefox now offer voiceover support.  I downloaded the
nightly build and I have used webvisum successfully several times.  It isn't
very easy to do, but it can be done.  I know of a few other people that have
done this as well.  There is a lot of work to be done in firefox still.  It
definitely isn't ready to be your main browser of choice, but for solving
captious it is fine.

--

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No it wouldn't, as all webvisum is, is a firefox plugin addon.  It already
supports multi platform.  It's not that we can't already use web visum on
the mac, it's just we can't accessibly.

 

Chris.

 

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From: Daniel Miller  

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 9:48 AM

Subject: RE: Captia solving on the mac.

 

Hmmm, that's not good at all. And, even if Firefox does become accessible on
OS X, Webvism would still need to be made for the OS X platform.

 

 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 8:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Captia solving on the mac.

 

No. there is not.  Solona is dead.  However, with Firefox soon to be
accessible on the Mac, this may be a moot point.

 

 

Sincerely,

The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

 

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

 

Skype name:

barefootedray

 

Facebook:

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Hello,

 

I know that in Windows you can use Webvism to solve captias with Firefox. Is
there a similar method for solving them using Safari?

Any help would be appreciated.

 

 

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Re: Advice on switching from PC

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi Will.
I can't answer all your questions because I am totally blind, so I don't use 
any kind of magnification. I understand the cvommand to make text on the Mac 
bigger is command plus sign. 

I haven't done it, but I guess you know by now that you can put Windows on a 
Mac. 

I got Abby Fine Reader Express for my Mac. It does a good job of scanning, but 
I haven't much time to mess with it much. 

I athink you will want Pages for your Mac because you can read and write Word 
files with it. 

I will say that my iPhone is a better PDF than either my Mac or the Vista 
computer in the other room using Jaws. I can and have read PDF files on m y 
Mac, but I have found that if I'm just going to read the thing, my iPhone is 
better because I can the PDF file into iBooks. 



Eugenia Firth
gigifi...@sbcglobal.net



On May 2, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Will_C wrote:

> Hi all!  New to the group, but have been lurking and reading for a
> while and wanted some input on some of my specific questions.
> 
> A little about me: I still have a fair bit of usable vision left,
> though my eyes get tired quickly and thus I use a combination of
> Zoomtext (with the doc reader) as well as Jaws for longer texts as I
> find constantly scrolling back and forth with the magnification very
> tiring and disorienting as I have to bump up magnification more and
> more.  I also used OCR and readers (K1000 traditionally) for school
> reading.  I’m going to law school in the fall, and so will obviously
> be doing a TON of reading and writing, for which I rely entirely upon
> my computers.
> 
> In the past, I’ve run into issues during research when neither ZT or
> JFW could easily interface with the various databases, and I’ll be
> working with these even more come September.  I’ve hummed and hahhed
> about making a switch to Mac after hearing almost nothing negative
> about them, and I’ve read and reread discussions on this and other
> sites about comparisons between ZT vs Zoom and JFW/NVDA/etc vs
> VoiceOver.  I’m aware that all these products have their pro’s and
> con’s, and while I would love further input or feedback on these
> tools, my specific concerns are outlined below.
> 
> 1.  Can anyone provide specific insight on how well Zoom interacts
> with advanced word processors and office suites, specifically iWork or
> Office for Mac?  I’ve heard mixed reviews regarding tracking, font
> smoothing, but will have to write long papers and put together
> presentations that need to be compatible with other students’ systems
> for group assignments.
> 
> 2.  Could anyone offer insights on how VO and/or Zoom might be able to
> handle online databases with a variety of html, scanned and .pdf based
> documents, hidden frames, and other database programming that I’m just
> not familiar with?  JFW and ZT often can’t find any text to lock onto
> in my previous experience with these databases.
> 
> 3.  What are the best OCR options for the Mac?
> 
> Other general comments or recommendations about making or not making a
> switch to the Mac for someone who will be doing extensive document-
> based research and writing would also be more than welcome.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any and all feedback!
> 
> Cheers,
> Will
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Re: undimmed item

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi Pam.
Have you tried getting rid of all your windows in Safari with command W or 
killing off the history and then quitting Safari and starting over? You might 
also try shutting down your computer, and closing all the windows when you shut 
down. That's the only things I can think of at the moment.


Eugenia Firth
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On May 2, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Pam Mathers wrote:

> Hi.  I have a question.  How do you undim an item.  Somehow or other, 
> whenever I go to safari, it will let me type in the webb address, but when I 
> press enter, it will not allow me to enterin to anything.  When I press the 
> foreward button and back button it says that both items are dimmed. I think 
> that is why I can't get in to any webb pages on safari, no matter which one I 
> go to.  Does anyone know how to fix the problem.  Thanks.
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Re: help on PDF files

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi there.
Some screen readers like VoiceOver and Jaws don't some PDF files well, 
especially any that have columns. Most screen readers are reading from left to 
right, and if the author of the Pdf file makes columns, well then they get 
mixed up quite often. It sometimes helps to OCR them, maybe. I haven't tried 
that particular thing on the Mac because, right now our OCR programs are 
designed for the sighted who can unscramble the columns for themselves. In 
Windows, Kurzweil 1000 and/or OpenBook can sometimes unscramble the columns, 
and sometimes not. That's been my experience, anyway. I used to have this 
problem at work with PDF files.

Regards,
Gigi

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On May 2, 2012, at 4:46 AM, Luke Henson wrote:

> Hey guys 
> 
> I was wondering if anyone knew where I could find out more infomation about 
> reading PDF files with voice over
> 
> I want to know for example, why most can be read easily, and then bump into 
> one that just wont read  at all?
> 
> I have also found some PDF files  yes you read straight through,  and  then 
> it seems like words kinda get mixed up within the text
> 
> 
> any help with any thing  would be awsome 
> 
> 
> thanks,  ?
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Re: Advice on switching from PC

[Chris Blouch]

While I'm sure others can give you more specifics, I should point out 
that if you go to the Mac platform you can avail yourself of some safety 
nets to enable running Windows apps on the same machine. You don't have 
to go 'cold turkey' and if you check the archives for discussions of 
VMWare Fusion and BootCamp you'll find out more. Generally VMWare is an 
application which has a virtual Intel PC in a window so you can install 
Windows, Jaws, Word etc and use it right along side the Mac apps, or set 
it full screen to make your mac basically into a temporary Windows box. 
The virtualization has some overhead (performance) impact but this 
generally works well. BootCamp is more hardcore where you actually 
partition your hard drive and make your mac boot into Windows. Turns out 
MacBooks are actually some of the faster Windows machines out there when 
set up this way. Of course it's a double-edged sword since having the 
fallback of your old Windows apps on your mac means you might not put 
forth the effort to learn and get comfortable with the new system, but 
it's nice to know you don't have to make a mutually exclusive choice.


CB

On 5/2/12 11:10 AM, Will_C wrote:

Hi all!  New to the group, but have been lurking and reading for a
while and wanted some input on some of my specific questions.

A little about me: I still have a fair bit of usable vision left,
though my eyes get tired quickly and thus I use a combination of
Zoomtext (with the doc reader) as well as Jaws for longer texts as I
find constantly scrolling back and forth with the magnification very
tiring and disorienting as I have to bump up magnification more and
more.  I also used OCR and readers (K1000 traditionally) for school
reading.  I’m going to law school in the fall, and so will obviously
be doing a TON of reading and writing, for which I rely entirely upon
my computers.

In the past, I’ve run into issues during research when neither ZT or
JFW could easily interface with the various databases, and I’ll be
working with these even more come September.  I’ve hummed and hahhed
about making a switch to Mac after hearing almost nothing negative
about them, and I’ve read and reread discussions on this and other
sites about comparisons between ZT vs Zoom and JFW/NVDA/etc vs
VoiceOver.  I’m aware that all these products have their pro’s and
con’s, and while I would love further input or feedback on these
tools, my specific concerns are outlined below.

1.  Can anyone provide specific insight on how well Zoom interacts
with advanced word processors and office suites, specifically iWork or
Office for Mac?  I’ve heard mixed reviews regarding tracking, font
smoothing, but will have to write long papers and put together
presentations that need to be compatible with other students’ systems
for group assignments.

2.  Could anyone offer insights on how VO and/or Zoom might be able to
handle online databases with a variety of html, scanned and .pdf based
documents, hidden frames, and other database programming that I’m just
not familiar with?  JFW and ZT often can’t find any text to lock onto
in my previous experience with these databases.

3.  What are the best OCR options for the Mac?

Other general comments or recommendations about making or not making a
switch to the Mac for someone who will be doing extensive document-
based research and writing would also be more than welcome.

Thanks in advance for any and all feedback!

Cheers,
Will



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Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

[Austin Seraphin]

e SIP phone clients, both Telephone available from the Mac app store and Blink 
available from http://icanblink.com both work well. They sound better too.

I just noticed this long thread so someone else has probably brought this up, 
but it drives me mad how the new Skype keeps saying "Skype has new window." 
every single time some kind of change happens, like someone going online. 
Maddening! I don't keep Skype open for that reason.

 - Austin

On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:03 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:

> In addition to Skype, are there any good SIP phone clients for the Mac
> which are accessible? I've used Linphone on Linux from the command
> line but would be interested in a Mac solution if there is one.  Skype
> may be popular but the protocol is proprietary and SIP is more
> universal.  SIP is probably one of the best VOIP protocols out there.
> 
> On 4/30/12, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> Ok.
>> 
>> I have found that I can dial numbers again using the keyboard on my Mac but
>> there is no edit field as there use to be when I first acquired the mac.
>> Can this be brought back?
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On 30 Apr 2012, at 10:16 PM, Missy Hoppe  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi there! Thank you so much for starting this topic thread. Hopefully,
>>> this is the appropriate place to bring up my number 1
>>> complaint with skype on the mac.
>>> When I first got my mac and installed Skype; I believe this was version
>>> 5.1 or so, the program always started in the contacts
>>> list. Ever sinve 5.3 or so, when I run the program, it starts me on
>>> something that Voiceover tells me is called Skype Home.
>>> It basicly looks like a facebook clone. Granted, it's not prohibatively
>>> difficult to navigate to a table, interract and find
>>> my contacts list and stop interracting, but I personally feel that this is
>>> something I shouldn't have to do, and it's just
>>> aggravating enough that I avoid using skype as often as possible, and only
>>> run it periodically to check for updates in hopes
>>> that this issue will some day be fixed. I've checked preferences time and
>>> again, and there simply isn't a way to configure
>>> how the program starts.
>>> To make this even more frustrating, when I ask people about id, they claim
>>> that they don't have this problem. I'd be more
>>> than happy to disconnect skype from facebook if it would fix the problem,
>>> but would rather not if I don't have to. I don't
>>> really understand the point of the favorites thing either, and miss the
>>> simplicity of the first mac version of skype I ever
>>> used. Sorry for the aimless rambling, but I hope it makes sense to
>>> someone.
>>> Missy
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>>> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 5:07 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries
>>> Subject: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
>>> 
>>> This message is for Kevin Chow if he is working with Skype on the Mac with
>>> Skype Team.
>>> 
>>> Hi Kevin.
>>> 
>>> I have been using Skype on the Mac for a long time and when Google had the
>>> program, it worked beautifully with the Mac.
>>> However since Microsoft have bought it, it has not been very good on the
>>> Mac.
>>> 
>>> The dial pad is inaccessible.  Is there any way of getting Skype for Mac
>>> fixed?
>>> 
>>> If there are other issues, feel free any one to say if Kevin is going to
>>> get this sorted.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
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Question about Prizmo

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi Anne.
Seems to me like I remember you being the one that had Prizmo for the iPhone. I 
just got it from the app store. I can a picture taken with the voice option. 
However, whenever I get to o c r, I get nothing. Can you tell me what I'm doing 
wrong? 


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Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

[Ray Foret Jr]

Gee, why not just use the telephone for goodness sake?  I mean, why use other 
apps to make phone calls when a the Iphone does just fine of it's own accord?  
Sorry if I'm missing something here; but, think about it.  Why use Skype to 
make phone calls when your own phone is just as good?


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

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On May 2, 2012, at 1:34 PM, Austin Seraphin wrote:

> e SIP phone clients, both Telephone available from the Mac app store and 
> Blink available from http://icanblink.com both work well. They sound better 
> too.
> 
> I just noticed this long thread so someone else has probably brought this up, 
> but it drives me mad how the new Skype keeps saying "Skype has new window." 
> every single time some kind of change happens, like someone going online. 
> Maddening! I don't keep Skype open for that reason.
> 
> - Austin
> 
> On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:03 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:
> 
>> In addition to Skype, are there any good SIP phone clients for the Mac
>> which are accessible? I've used Linphone on Linux from the command
>> line but would be interested in a Mac solution if there is one.  Skype
>> may be popular but the protocol is proprietary and SIP is more
>> universal.  SIP is probably one of the best VOIP protocols out there.
>> 
>> On 4/30/12, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> Ok.
>>> 
>>> I have found that I can dial numbers again using the keyboard on my Mac but
>>> there is no edit field as there use to be when I first acquired the mac.
>>> Can this be brought back?
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
>>> On 30 Apr 2012, at 10:16 PM, Missy Hoppe  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi there! Thank you so much for starting this topic thread. Hopefully,
 this is the appropriate place to bring up my number 1
 complaint with skype on the mac.
 When I first got my mac and installed Skype; I believe this was version
 5.1 or so, the program always started in the contacts
 list. Ever sinve 5.3 or so, when I run the program, it starts me on
 something that Voiceover tells me is called Skype Home.
 It basicly looks like a facebook clone. Granted, it's not prohibatively
 difficult to navigate to a table, interract and find
 my contacts list and stop interracting, but I personally feel that this is
 something I shouldn't have to do, and it's just
 aggravating enough that I avoid using skype as often as possible, and only
 run it periodically to check for updates in hopes
 that this issue will some day be fixed. I've checked preferences time and
 again, and there simply isn't a way to configure
 how the program starts.
 To make this even more frustrating, when I ask people about id, they claim
 that they don't have this problem. I'd be more
 than happy to disconnect skype from facebook if it would fix the problem,
 but would rather not if I don't have to. I don't
 really understand the point of the favorites thing either, and miss the
 simplicity of the first mac version of skype I ever
 used. Sorry for the aimless rambling, but I hope it makes sense to
 someone.
 Missy
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
 Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 5:07 PM
 To: macvisionaries
 Subject: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
 
 This message is for Kevin Chow if he is working with Skype on the Mac with
 Skype Team.
 
 Hi Kevin.
 
 I have been using Skype on the Mac for a long time and when Google had the
 program, it worked beautifully with the Mac.
 However since Microsoft have bought it, it has not been very good on the
 Mac.
 
 The dial pad is inaccessible.  Is there any way of getting Skype for Mac
 fixed?
 
 If there are other issues, feel free any one to say if Kevin is going to
 get this sorted.
 
 Kawal.
 
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RE: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

[Missy Hoppe]

I agree. Over all, using a real phone is much, much easier. I guess that's why 
I have skype, but don't use it regularly. The
only thing I can figure is that maybe using skype as a replacement for a 
regular phone is cheaper, especially for long
distance. I honestly don't know, but am tempted to experement with it a bit at 
some point.
Also, I just saw the comment about the skype has new windo thing, and have to 
agree. That is very frustrating, especially if
there's no easy way to see said new window. I do love, however, that I am able 
to set up growl notifications for nearly all
skype events; that's a huge plus.

  _  

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 2:41 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?


Gee, why not just use the telephone for goodness sake?  I mean, why use other 
apps to make phone calls when a the Iphone does
just fine of it's own accord?  Sorry if I'm missing something here; but, think 
about it.  Why use Skype to make phone calls
when your own phone is just as good? 


Sincerely, 
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

Facebook:
facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1  



On May 2, 2012, at 1:34 PM, Austin Seraphin wrote:


e SIP phone clients, both Telephone available from the Mac app store and Blink 
available from http://icanblink.com both work
well. They sound better too.

I just noticed this long thread so someone else has probably brought this up, 
but it drives me mad how the new Skype keeps
saying "Skype has new window." every single time some kind of change happens, 
like someone going online. Maddening! I don't
keep Skype open for that reason.

- Austin

On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:03 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:



In addition to Skype, are there any good SIP phone clients for the Mac


which are accessible? I've used Linphone on Linux from the command


line but would be interested in a Mac solution if there is one.  Skype


may be popular but the protocol is proprietary and SIP is more


universal.  SIP is probably one of the best VOIP protocols out there.



On 4/30/12, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:


Ok.



I have found that I can dial numbers again using the keyboard on my Mac but


there is no edit field as there use to be when I first acquired the mac.


Can this be brought back?



Kawal.



On 30 Apr 2012, at 10:16 PM, Missy Hoppe  wrote:



Hi there! Thank you so much for starting this topic thread. Hopefully,


this is the appropriate place to bring up my number 1


complaint with skype on the mac.


When I first got my mac and installed Skype; I believe this was version


5.1 or so, the program always started in the contacts


list. Ever sinve 5.3 or so, when I run the program, it starts me on


something that Voiceover tells me is called Skype Home.


It basicly looks like a facebook clone. Granted, it's not prohibatively


difficult to navigate to a table, interract and find


my contacts list and stop interracting, but I personally feel that this is


something I shouldn't have to do, and it's just


aggravating enough that I avoid using skype as often as possible, and only


run it periodically to check for updates in hopes


that this issue will some day be fixed. I've checked preferences time and


again, and there simply isn't a way to configure


how the program starts.


To make this even more frustrating, when I ask people about id, they claim


that they don't have this problem. I'd be more


than happy to disconnect skype from facebook if it would fix the problem,


but would rather not if I don't have to. I don't


really understand the point of the favorites thing either, and miss the


simplicity of the first mac version of skype I ever


used. Sorry for the aimless rambling, but I hope it makes sense to


someone.


Missy



-Original Message-


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com


[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu


Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 5:07 PM


To: macvisionaries


Subject: Skype on the Mac made accessible?



This message is for Kevin Chow if he is working with Skype on the Mac with


Skype Team.



Hi Kevin.



I have been using Skype on the Mac for a long time and when Google had the


program, it worked beautifully with the Mac.


However since Microsoft have bought it, it has not been very good on the


Mac.



The dial pad is inaccessible.  Is there any way of getting Skype for Mac


fixed?



If there are other issues, feel free any one to say if Kevin is going to


get this sorted.



Kawal.



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Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

For me, I can hear better because I can use my hearing aids' Icom streamer 
device to hear the Skype call better than I can a phone call.  And, it's 
cheaper than a phone, even a cell phone, which I have and also can't hear well 
on. :)


 • Mark BurningHawk Baxter
 • AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
 • MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
 • My home page:
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Amazon Cloud Drive

[Austin Seraphin]

Sorry to report that this new app seems inaccessible. I opened it and just got 
a blank window over top of finder. Have I missed something? I'd love to find a 
better syncing service than Dropbox, which to me seems like one of those things 
that works until you really need it. Too bad Sparkleshare doesn't work either, 
which uses a GIT repository.

 - Austin

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Re: Amazon Cloud Drive

[Teresa Cochran]

Yes, it just goes to the website anyway, which is pretty accessible. You have 
to sign in with the app, but even when you do, it lives in the status menu by 
the clock, and doesn't seem to announce itself easily. It doesn't seem to have 
an interface for accessing files, which is still handled by the site.

Teresa

I'm a pantheist; I worship Pan.

On May 2, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Austin Seraphin wrote:

> Sorry to report that this new app seems inaccessible. I opened it and just 
> got a blank window over top of finder. Have I missed something? I'd love to 
> find a better syncing service than Dropbox, which to me seems like one of 
> those things that works until you really need it. Too bad Sparkleshare 
> doesn't work either, which uses a GIT repository.
> 
> - Austin
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Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

[Doug Lee]

Economy: Skype is often cheaper than a phone.

Flexibility: You can change how you listen to and/or talk into a call
more easily with a computer program than with a phone, e.g., switching
between headphones, a wireless headset, a stereo system, etc.

Unification: If you already use Skype to talk to people, it can be
nice to use the same interface to handle phone calls. You can also
conference Skype calls and telephone connections together.

Tracking: When I use Skype for business calls, it's nice that I can
see call length accessibly without special telephone hardware or
software.

On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 01:40:41PM -0500, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
   Gee, why not just use the telephone for goodness sake?  I mean, why use
   other apps to make phone calls when a the Iphone does just fine of it's
   own accord?  Sorry if I'm missing something here; but, think about it.
Why use Skype to make phone calls when your own phone is just as good?

   Sincerely,
   The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
   Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
   Skype name:
   barefootedray
   Facebook:
   [1]facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
   On May 2, 2012, at 1:34 PM, Austin Seraphin wrote:

   e SIP phone clients, both Telephone available from the Mac app store
   and Blink available from [2]http://icanblink.com both work well. They
   sound better too.
   I just noticed this long thread so someone else has probably brought
   this up, but it drives me mad how the new Skype keeps saying "Skype has
   new window." every single time some kind of change happens, like
   someone going online. Maddening! I don't keep Skype open for that
   reason.
   - Austin
   On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:03 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:

 In addition to Skype, are there any good SIP phone clients for the
 Mac

 which are accessible? I've used Linphone on Linux from the command

 line but would be interested in a Mac solution if there is one.
 Skype

 may be popular but the protocol is proprietary and SIP is more

 universal.  SIP is probably one of the best VOIP protocols out
 there.

 On 4/30/12, Kawal Gucukoglu <[3]kawa...@me.com> wrote:

 Ok.

 I have found that I can dial numbers again using the keyboard on my
 Mac but

 there is no edit field as there use to be when I first acquired the
 mac.

 Can this be brought back?

 Kawal.

 On 30 Apr 2012, at 10:16 PM, Missy Hoppe <[4]mitmee@gmail.com>
 wrote:

 Hi there! Thank you so much for starting this topic thread.
 Hopefully,

 this is the appropriate place to bring up my number 1

 complaint with skype on the mac.

 When I first got my mac and installed Skype; I believe this was
 version

 5.1 or so, the program always started in the contacts

 list. Ever sinve 5.3 or so, when I run the program, it starts me on

 something that Voiceover tells me is called Skype Home.

 It basicly looks like a facebook clone. Granted, it's not
 prohibatively

 difficult to navigate to a table, interract and find

 my contacts list and stop interracting, but I personally feel that
 this is

 something I shouldn't have to do, and it's just

 aggravating enough that I avoid using skype as often as possible,
 and only

 run it periodically to check for updates in hopes

 that this issue will some day be fixed. I've checked preferences
 time and

 again, and there simply isn't a way to configure

 how the program starts.

 To make this even more frustrating, when I ask people about id, they
 claim

 that they don't have this problem. I'd be more

 than happy to disconnect skype from facebook if it would fix the
 problem,

 but would rather not if I don't have to. I don't

 really understand the point of the favorites thing either, and miss
 the

 simplicity of the first mac version of skype I ever

 used. Sorry for the aimless rambling, but I hope it makes sense to

 someone.

 Missy

 -Original Message-

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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal
 Gucukoglu

 Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 5:07 PM

 To: macvisionaries

 Subject: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

 This message is for Kevin Chow if he is working with Skype on the
 Mac with

 Skype Team.

 Hi Kevin.

 I have been using Skype on the Mac for a long time and when Google
 had the

 program, it worked beautifully with the Mac.

 However since Microsoft have bought it, it has not been very good on
 the

 Mac.

 The dial pad is inaccessible.  Is there any way of getting Skype for
 Mac

 fixed?

 If there are other issues, feel free any one to say if Kevin is
 going to

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Re: Advice on switching from PC

[Will Cummings]

Thanks for the feedback so quickly!

@ Eugenia - thanks for the tips!  I actually hadn't thought about porting
.pdf's onto my iphone for reading, but that could be very useful for
catching up on reading when on the bus or travelling.  I will have to
experiment some.

@ Chris - I had heard about BootCamp and Parallels, but not VMWare Fusion.
I was planning on setting up one of these options, if only to have a
fallback as I learned the Mac environment.  My hope in switching was to
avoid some of the hassles of the Windows environment (viruses and security
issues mostly), which I'm assuming would be equally applicable in BootCamp,
etc no?  And yes, I wouldn't want to fall into the trap of booting into
Windows and not really learning the Mac OS.

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Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hey guys, gotta get my 2 cents in on this topic. I don't really care about 
where I land when Skype starts. My concern is conferences. When I posted a 
thread a few months ago about making a conference, I got an answer that I had 
to do all this turning cursor tracking off and routing the VO cursor and some 
other crap that I can't remember. Bottom line is, that is too time consuming 
and complicated. There's this program in Windows called GW Connect that allows 
you to make a conference just by pressing enter or whatever key you have to 
press for that. It would be nice if Skype for the Mac were that easy to make 
conference calls. BTW, the reason why I don't care where I land in Skype is 
because I downloaded a plugin for Adium that allows me to see my Skype contacts 
via Adium. So for those of you that are complaining about not seeing your 
contact list when you start Skype, perhaps you can try downloading that plugin. 
The only catch is you have to have Skype open to use it. You don't have to have 
the window open, the program just have to be running.

Shawn

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Clicking Column Headers?

[Steve Holmes]

How do you click column headers with VO on a Mac? An example of where
I need to do this is with the list view in iTunes where I want to sort
the tracks differently than Artist.  In my immediate situation, I have
some "various artist" type collections where I don't want tracks
sorted by track artist.

Thanks for any solutions.

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Re: accessing Facebook info from command line

[Jared]

Such a thing already exists, and it's called FBCMD. See
http://fbcmd.dtompkins.com/

- wrote:
> Someone wondered:
>
> "I want to build a text-only Facebook client that can be used either
> through an HTML interface or a command line interface that can be used
> from the terminal. I wish to know if it is possible to access a user's
> notifications, messages, request, etc and do small things like post
> status updates using c, python, bash scripts, or html. It would be
> great if you could point me to an appropriate resource to get started."
>
> Why not use lynx the text based unix/linx browser.
>
> XB

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Re: Amazon Cloud Drive

[Steve Holmes]

It doesn't surprise me much that it isn't accessible; I mean, look at
their kindle crap product and their sweetheart relationship with the
authors' guild.  I wouldn't use or buy anything from Amazon until they
take a better approach to accessibility.

On 5/2/12, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> Yes, it just goes to the website anyway, which is pretty accessible. You
> have to sign in with the app, but even when you do, it lives in the status
> menu by the clock, and doesn't seem to announce itself easily. It doesn't
> seem to have an interface for accessing files, which is still handled by the
> site.
>
> Teresa
>
> I'm a pantheist; I worship Pan.
>
> On May 2, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Austin Seraphin wrote:
>
>> Sorry to report that this new app seems inaccessible. I opened it and just
>> got a blank window over top of finder. Have I missed something? I'd love
>> to find a better syncing service than Dropbox, which to me seems like one
>> of those things that works until you really need it. Too bad Sparkleshare
>> doesn't work either, which uses a GIT repository.
>>
>> - Austin
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Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

[Steve Holmes]

Yes, the economic benefits of using skype or other SIP based phone
services make it worth while.  I also like the idea of flexibility;
especially now that the iPod app for skype is quite accessible now, I
can use skype on my iPod over WIFI now.  Where I live right now, all I
have phone wise is a cheapie cel phone which is accessible in its own
right but I don't wanna burn through minutes unnecessarially when I
could use a flat rate over skype or SIP.  Plus the audio quality is
better over a VOIP deal than a cell phone.

On 5/2/12, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> Hey guys, gotta get my 2 cents in on this topic. I don't really care about
> where I land when Skype starts. My concern is conferences. When I posted a
> thread a few months ago about making a conference, I got an answer that I
> had to do all this turning cursor tracking off and routing the VO cursor and
> some other crap that I can't remember. Bottom line is, that is too time
> consuming and complicated. There's this program in Windows called GW Connect
> that allows you to make a conference just by pressing enter or whatever key
> you have to press for that. It would be nice if Skype for the Mac were that
> easy to make conference calls. BTW, the reason why I don't care where I land
> in Skype is because I downloaded a plugin for Adium that allows me to see my
> Skype contacts via Adium. So for those of you that are complaining about not
> seeing your contact list when you start Skype, perhaps you can try
> downloading that plugin. The only catch is you have to have Skype open to
> use it. You don't have to have the window open, the program just have to be
> running.
>
> Shawn
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Re: For the attention of All braille Users.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I mean that when I got to the pop up boxes and checked boxes, my routing cells 
would not activate anything. 

Next time I will try the other methods that teresa and david refer to.

Kawal.

On 2 May 2012, at 03:21 PM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:

> Cheree Heppe here:
> Do you meam that you must tap the corresponding checkbox on the screen or 
> that once positioned in a checkbox, tapping the screen is required to 
> activate the checkbox?
> 
> Regards,
> Cheree Heppe
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 02/05/2012, at 6:46, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
>> Hello.
>> 
>> I am cross posting just in case I miss some people who have braille displays.
>> 
>> I was completing a survey which Mike sent using my I phone 4S using my 
>> braille display and each time got to a pop up button or a button that needed 
>> checking, it would not happen until I tapped my I Phone screen.
>> 
>> Would all braille users do the same and tell me if they have this problem 
>> please?
>> 
>> Kawal.
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Re: Clicking Column Headers?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Steve,

To sort a column, just interact sufficiently to be able to place the VO cursor 
on your chosen column and use the VO sort command (VO-vertical line) On my 
British keyboard, this is shift on the rightmost key on the home row, the key 
in the angle of the Return key. The first time you issue this command it will 
sort up the way, and the second time, it sorts down the way.

Cheers,

Anne


On 2 May 2012, at 21:35, Steve Holmes wrote:

> How do you click column headers with VO on a Mac? An example of where
> I need to do this is with the list view in iTunes where I want to sort
> the tracks differently than Artist.  In my immediate situation, I have
> some "various artist" type collections where I don't want tracks
> sorted by track artist.
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Re: Advice on switching from PC

[Gigi]

Hi again well
If you email a PDF file to yourself, when you call up the attachment, one of 
the choices is to send the file iBooks. I did that and it works good.
Regards
Gigi 

Sent from my iPhone

On May 2, 2012, at 2:23 PM, Will Cummings  wrote:

> Thanks for the feedback so quickly!  
> 
> @ Eugenia - thanks for the tips!  I actually hadn't thought about porting 
> .pdf's onto my iphone for reading, but that could be very useful for catching 
> up on reading when on the bus or travelling.  I will have to experiment some.
> 
> @ Chris - I had heard about BootCamp and Parallels, but not VMWare Fusion.  I 
> was planning on setting up one of these options, if only to have a fallback 
> as I learned the Mac environment.  My hope in switching was to avoid some of 
> the hassles of the Windows environment (viruses and security issues mostly), 
> which I'm assuming would be equally applicable in BootCamp, etc no?  And yes, 
> I wouldn't want to fall into the trap of booting into Windows and not really 
> learning the Mac OS.
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Re: web navigation?

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Hello Steve,

On 2 May 2012, at 18:45, Steve Holmes wrote:

> I thought I had read that
> the modes (DOM or Groups) could be selected for each site you go to
Maybe if you create an ativity it could be done. I've never bothered because I 
have a keyboard commander shortcut and a Quick Nav shortcut to switch modes. I 
usually use groups, but for reading a big chunk of a page, I use DOM.

I also use the Safari Reader for reading articles.

Cheers,

Anne

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Re: Question about Prizmo

[Gigi]

Thanks Anne

I must've missed something earlier because I had no idea Esther had posted 
something about Prismo. Thanks for the information, and I a.m. going to archive 
it here. We'll have town this weekend I'll do some more messing around with 
this program.
Regards
Gigi

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On May 2, 2012, at 1:34 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Hi Anne.
> Seems to me like I remember you being the one that had Prizmo for the iPhone. 
> I just got it from the app store. I can a picture taken with the voice 
> option. However, whenever I get to o c r, I get nothing. Can you tell me what 
> I'm doing wrong? 
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Re: Skype on the Mac made accessible?

[Earle]

It is very easy to stop Skype from saying Skype has new window.  Just go into 
preferences, then go to notifications and disable all visual alerts.  You can 
also have Skype tell you when contacts are available by choosing the contacts 
available event under notifications.  Then just check the box that says speak 
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On 2012-05-02, at 2:34 PM, Austin Seraphin wrote:

> e SIP phone clients, both Telephone available from the Mac app store and 
> Blink available from http://icanblink.com both work well. They sound better 
> too.
> 
> I just noticed this long thread so someone else has probably brought this up, 
> but it drives me mad how the new Skype keeps saying "Skype has new window." 
> every single time some kind of change happens, like someone going online. 
> Maddening! I don't keep Skype open for that reason.
> 
> - Austin
> 
> On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:03 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:
> 
>> In addition to Skype, are there any good SIP phone clients for the Mac
>> which are accessible? I've used Linphone on Linux from the command
>> line but would be interested in a Mac solution if there is one.  Skype
>> may be popular but the protocol is proprietary and SIP is more
>> universal.  SIP is probably one of the best VOIP protocols out there.
>> 
>> On 4/30/12, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> Ok.
>>> 
>>> I have found that I can dial numbers again using the keyboard on my Mac but
>>> there is no edit field as there use to be when I first acquired the mac.
>>> Can this be brought back?
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
>>> On 30 Apr 2012, at 10:16 PM, Missy Hoppe  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi there! Thank you so much for starting this topic thread. Hopefully,
 this is the appropriate place to bring up my number 1
 complaint with skype on the mac.
 When I first got my mac and installed Skype; I believe this was version
 5.1 or so, the program always started in the contacts
 list. Ever sinve 5.3 or so, when I run the program, it starts me on
 something that Voiceover tells me is called Skype Home.
 It basicly looks like a facebook clone. Granted, it's not prohibatively
 difficult to navigate to a table, interract and find
 my contacts list and stop interracting, but I personally feel that this is
 something I shouldn't have to do, and it's just
 aggravating enough that I avoid using skype as often as possible, and only
 run it periodically to check for updates in hopes
 that this issue will some day be fixed. I've checked preferences time and
 again, and there simply isn't a way to configure
 how the program starts.
 To make this even more frustrating, when I ask people about id, they claim
 that they don't have this problem. I'd be more
 than happy to disconnect skype from facebook if it would fix the problem,
 but would rather not if I don't have to. I don't
 really understand the point of the favorites thing either, and miss the
 simplicity of the first mac version of skype I ever
 used. Sorry for the aimless rambling, but I hope it makes sense to
 someone.
 Missy
 
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 Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 5:07 PM
 To: macvisionaries
 Subject: Skype on the Mac made accessible?
 
 This message is for Kevin Chow if he is working with Skype on the Mac with
 Skype Team.
 
 Hi Kevin.
 
 I have been using Skype on the Mac for a long time and when Google had the
 program, it worked beautifully with the Mac.
 However since Microsoft have bought it, it has not been very good on the
 Mac.
 
 The dial pad is inaccessible.  Is there any way of getting Skype for Mac
 fixed?
 
 If there are other issues, feel free any one to say if Kevin is going to
 get this sorted.
 
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Re: Clicking Column Headers?

[Steve Holmes]

Thanks Anne,

I had no idea VO had its own sourt command.  I thought I might have to
figure a way to find the actua column header and click with trackpad
or something.  this should be easy enough.  Look forward to trying it
out when I get home and play with itunes some more.  I'm actually
beginning to dig itunes a bit.  that book, "Take Control of iTunes" is
a wonderful resource.  I've learned quite a bit on how to pair down
the user interface to be managable and accessible and pleasant to use.

On 5/2/12, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> Hello Steve,
>
> To sort a column, just interact sufficiently to be able to place the VO
> cursor on your chosen column and use the VO sort command (VO-vertical line)
> On my British keyboard, this is shift on the rightmost key on the home row,
> the key in the angle of the Return key. The first time you issue this
> command it will sort up the way, and the second time, it sorts down the way.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
>
> On 2 May 2012, at 21:35, Steve Holmes wrote:
>
>> How do you click column headers with VO on a Mac? An example of where
>> I need to do this is with the list view in iTunes where I want to sort
>> the tracks differently than Artist.  In my immediate situation, I have
>> some "various artist" type collections where I don't want tracks
>> sorted by track artist.
>>
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Re: Advice on switching from PC

[Steve Holmes]

Another neat way to get PDFs or EPUB books onto an iPhone is to use
Dropbox and then use the dropbox app to download and export the file
into iBooks.

On 5/2/12, Gigi  wrote:
> Hi again well
> If you email a PDF file to yourself, when you call up the attachment, one of
> the choices is to send the file iBooks. I did that and it works good.
> Regards
> Gigi
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 2, 2012, at 2:23 PM, Will Cummings  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the feedback so quickly!
>>
>> @ Eugenia - thanks for the tips!  I actually hadn't thought about porting
>> .pdf's onto my iphone for reading, but that could be very useful for
>> catching up on reading when on the bus or travelling.  I will have to
>> experiment some.
>>
>> @ Chris - I had heard about BootCamp and Parallels, but not VMWare Fusion.
>>  I was planning on setting up one of these options, if only to have a
>> fallback as I learned the Mac environment.  My hope in switching was to
>> avoid some of the hassles of the Windows environment (viruses and security
>> issues mostly), which I'm assuming would be equally applicable in
>> BootCamp, etc no?  And yes, I wouldn't want to fall into the trap of
>> booting into Windows and not really learning the Mac OS.
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Re: voiceover won't cooperate

[Jenny Keller]

Well, I think I did all that.

I just started a new ward and don't have any home teachers yet.

I've decided to move to Chicago ASAP, so hopefully, I'll get there before June.

Jenny
On May 1, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:

> You can do it either way.  Look around the User options under System
> preferences. I forget what the option is called exactly but there is
> something to specify to Automatically login.  But in case this keeps
> acting up on you, you may want to check the VoiceOver at login option
> also.  I mentioned this in my last message but you may not have seen
> that one yet.
> 
> Oh, if I had that much transportation trouble, I'd give my home
> teachers a call (LDS right?) If they have the time and are any good at
> all, they should be able to help you out or refer someone to help you
> out.  that's one beauty of our church.
> 
> On 5/1/12, Jenny Keller  wrote:
>> What if you don't want to log in, you just want it to go to the desk top?
>> 
>> Jenny
>> On May 1, 2012, at 3:31 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
>> 
>>> You don't by any chance have file vault turned on do you?
>>> 
>>> Go to system preferences:
>>> Find the Security and Privacy panel.
>>> In this panel is a tab called "File Vault" It should list your disk and
>>> tell you that file vault is turned off/ or  on.
>>> 
>>> You are aware that for non-file vault systems, you can configure the login
>>> screen to use voice over and that you can even toggle voice over on/off
>>> with command-F5 in the standard login screen?
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> JOnathan
>>> 
>>> Jonathan C. Cohn
>>> jonc...@cox.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 1, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Jenny Keller wrote:
>>> 
 I know it would be a good thing to have an apple store look at it, but
 the store is an hour away so I don't see that as an option.
 
 I have had someone look at it and it's just the log in screen.
 
 I log in and it still won't talk.
 
 I'll see what I can do, but if I can't get someone to take me to have
 surgery in another town, I doubt very seriously I can get someone to take
 me to fix my computer.
 
 Thanks for the info though.
 
 Jenny
 On May 1, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
 
> If you think it is a problem that could be fixed at the Apple Store,
> then I suggest you beg one of your friends to take you there.  You have
> a one year warranty on the computer and if you didn't drop it or spill
> water on it, then 99/100 times it will be fixed for free at the Apple
> store in the first year of service.
> 
> So you might be saving several hundred dollars if you get there before
> June.
> 
> On the other hand, just getting somebody around who can see what is
> going on with your system at start-up might be all you need.  Though in
> some cases, hitting control-tab after a couple minutes gets things  in a
> normal state.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> Jonathan C. Cohn
> jonc...@cox.net
> 
> 
> 
> On May 1, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Jenny Keller wrote:
> 
>> Oh boy, that's not in my budget.
>> 
>> I guess I'll just have to deal with it.
>> 
>> I have a monitor and mouse connected to it so that isn't the problem.
>> 
>> I just got it last June, so I don't know what the deal is.
>> 
>> I'll just have to deal with it as I've said cause I can't afford to go
>> to the town where the apple store is, and sure can't afford to pay for
>> them to look at it, uch less fix it.
>> 
>> Crap.
>> 
>> Jenny
>> On May 1, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:
>> 
>>> You will probably not like my answer; I never get that problem on my
>>> Mac Mini.  Even back when I first got my Mini and did not have a
>>> monitor connected, VO wouldn't start automatically after I logged in
>>> but I got the same behavior every time I started my machine.  One
>>> thing different with my setup from yours is I intentionally have my
>>> machine set to require a login each time.  I also have VO enabled for
>>> the login screen.  After I hooked up a cheap monitor,VO starts up
>>> properly every time and since I have Terminal set as one of the apps
>>> to be started at login time, I have consistent focus to the desktop.
>>> All that is fine here.
>>> 
>>> If your machine keeps doing this on a repeated basis, you ot to take
>>> it into the Apple store (if possible) and have a genius take a look at
>>> it; wonder if there is a hardware issue or something.
>>> 
>>> I remember you asking this question some time ago but I didn't recall
>>> anyone answering it either.
>>> 
>>> On 5/1/12, Jenny Keller  wrote:
 Every other time I turn on my computer I get the log in screen, and
 the only
 reason I know that is because I have just barely enough vision to see
 it.

Re: web navigation?

[Steve Holmes]

On 5/2/12, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>
> I also use the Safari Reader for reading articles.

What is Safari Reader? is that just part of the normal web browser or
is that something else.  Sorry for silly question.

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Re: voiceover won't cooperate

[Jenny Keller]

did that, it still comes up randomly.

Jenny
On May 1, 2012, at 4:01 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

> Hello Jenny,
> 
> Admittedly, I have not been paying close attention to this thread so forgive
> me for suggesting something that has already been posted but, have you
> considered turning off the login screen?  
> 
> All things being equal and security concerns aside, if you are the only
> user, there really is no reason to have it activated at startup.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jenny Keller
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 1:23 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: voiceover won't cooperate
> 
> I know it would be a good thing to have an apple store look at it, but the
> store is an hour away so I don't see that as an option.
> 
> I have had someone look at it and it's just the log in screen.
> 
> I log in and it still won't talk.
> 
> I'll see what I can do, but if I can't get someone to take me to have
> surgery in another town, I doubt very seriously I can get someone to take me
> to fix my computer.
> 
> Thanks for the info though.
> 
> Jenny
> On May 1, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
> 
>> If you think it is a problem that could be fixed at the Apple Store, then
> I suggest you beg one of your friends to take you there.  You have a one
> year warranty on the computer and if you didn't drop it or spill water on
> it, then 99/100 times it will be fixed for free at the Apple store in the
> first year of service.
>> 
>> So you might be saving several hundred dollars if you get there before
> June. 
>> 
>> On the other hand, just getting somebody around who can see what is going
> on with your system at start-up might be all you need.  Though in some
> cases, hitting control-tab after a couple minutes gets things  in a normal
> state.  
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> Jonathan C. Cohn
>> jonc...@cox.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 1, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Jenny Keller wrote:
>> 
>>> Oh boy, that's not in my budget.
>>> 
>>> I guess I'll just have to deal with it.
>>> 
>>> I have a monitor and mouse connected to it so that isn't the problem.
>>> 
>>> I just got it last June, so I don't know what the deal is.
>>> 
>>> I'll just have to deal with it as I've said cause I can't afford to go to
> the town where the apple store is, and sure can't afford to pay for them to
> look at it, uch less fix it.
>>> 
>>> Crap.
>>> 
>>> Jenny
>>> On May 1, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:
>>> 
 You will probably not like my answer; I never get that problem on my 
 Mac Mini.  Even back when I first got my Mini and did not have a 
 monitor connected, VO wouldn't start automatically after I logged in 
 but I got the same behavior every time I started my machine.  One 
 thing different with my setup from yours is I intentionally have my 
 machine set to require a login each time.  I also have VO enabled 
 for the login screen.  After I hooked up a cheap monitor,VO starts 
 up properly every time and since I have Terminal set as one of the 
 apps to be started at login time, I have consistent focus to the
> desktop.
 All that is fine here.
 
 If your machine keeps doing this on a repeated basis, you ot to take 
 it into the Apple store (if possible) and have a genius take a look 
 at it; wonder if there is a hardware issue or something.
 
 I remember you asking this question some time ago but I didn't 
 recall anyone answering it either.
 
 On 5/1/12, Jenny Keller  wrote:
> Every other time I turn on my computer I get the log in screen, and 
> the only reason I know that is because I have just barely enough vision
> to see it.
> 
> Voice over is set to start during that screen but it doesn't.  I 
> log into the system, which it's not supposed to ask me to do anyway 
> because it's set to go directly to the desk top, and when I goes to 
> the desk top, there is a box that since voice over won't come on 
> either automatically or with command
> F5 I don't know what is going on.
> 
> It will allow me to use VO M to access the apple menu to shut down 
> properly, and then when I restart the computer the desktop pops up and
> all is well.
> 
> What on earth is going on?
> 
> Jenny
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Re: Clicking Column Headers?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Steve,

Have you looked at the full list of VO commands? You can find them by doing 
VO-h-h. You'd be amazed!

Cheers,

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Re: web navigation?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Steve,

Safari Reader is a normal part of Safari. You press Cmd-Shift-r, wait a second 
or two, and VoiceOver starts reading the article. The beauty of it is that it 
brings together all the pages without you having to click on "Next page".

Cheers,

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Re: Clicking Column Headers?

[Steve Holmes]

On 5/2/12, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> Hello Steve,
>
> Have you looked at the full list of VO commands? You can find them by doing
> VO-h-h. You'd be amazed!

Oh I know.  I've been in there from time to time and mainly used it to
look up something specific.  I would have never expected VO to provide
a list sort function.  Probably find some other goodies in there when
I go back.  I usually go in there for web quick navigation commands
since they vary slightly from those used in Orca or Window-Eyes.  I'm
glad that's there for easy reference because there's a lot there to
flat out memorize without actually using all of them.

Thanks again for the tip though.

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No longer able to copy

[Richard Ring]

I have always been able to download books from Bard and copy them to an SD 
card.I can no longer do this. I press the past command and my mac bonks. I am 
not an expert Mac user, but this seems like a rather simple thing. I have no 
clue what I'm doing wrong. 

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Re: Question about Bootcamp

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

As I said, I don't wanna do that as I'm an audio engineer, and my mac OSX 
system is strictly being used for my audio workflow.  I don't want to bog it 
down with anything else.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Blouch" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: Question about Bootcamp


Just curious whether you could simply use the unix underneath OSX to do 
your bidding. I know there are currently 11721 packages ported to osx 
under macports.org so maybe you can just run them in the Mac environment. 
Just not sure what the key package is in linux that you are trying to gain 
access to.


CB

On 5/2/12 12:37 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

The boot loader may not be necessary, but it makes life easy: I hit m
to boot mac os or w to boot windows when the machine starts, and it
does its thing. I forgot it used non-standard BIOS. Still, if you use
a live cd of linux to format a partition correctly, I'm not sure why
it wouldn't work. Again, google can answer this one way or the other,
and I recommend doing thorough research before doing anything else.

On 5/1/12, Brent Harding  wrote:

Boot Camp will go with Windows Natively, no need for the Refit loader, I
don't think, but for whatever reason, I don't think the system will like
that partition being turned into a linux one. I mean, I'm not sure how 
the
Mac will take to making a Windows partition, booting a Ubuntu Live CD, 
and
then turning the partition into the linux type. I thought I read that 
the
problem has to do with the EFI firmware on mac's instead of the normal 
PC

Bios that it may not boot the linux partition.

- Original Message -
From: "Alex Hall"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: Question about Bootcamp



I think so. I use the Refit boot loader (I may have that name wrong)
to boot Mac OS and Windows. I don't see why I couldn't set up another
partition, though. I'm sure google will have plenty of in-depth
articles and tutorials about this. Note that you will need sighted
help to set up some of this, at least I did.

On 5/1/12, Christopher-Mark Gilland  wrote:
I'm pretty sure the short answer to this question will be 
technically?...

yes... The long answer will probably be, yes, and no.

Technically speaking, Bootcamp is made for either Windows Vista, or
Windows
7.  Is there a way however that I could set up a bootcamp partition, 
then
install UBuntu, Vinux, or F123 Linux?  preferably either the last two 
of

the
three.

I know I could do this in VMWare Fusion, ok, fine, that's fair, but
that's
not exactly what I'm wanting to do for various reasons.  For another
thing,
being I'm an audio engineer, I want to keep my mac partition free of
pretty
much anything non audio related for my studio workflow.

Thanks.

Chris.

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Re: accessing Facebook info from command line

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

This is the exact same thing I po8nted out.  The only thing is, even after 
granting permissions to all the things by typing


fbcmd addperms

It still wouldn't work when I then did

fbcmd status "Testing."

Frankly, I didn't find this utility was all that great, but that's just me. 
Well, and plus, I was doing it under my Linux dedicated server box, not 
through the mac.


I don't even know if this thing using mac ports could be ported to the mac. 
Interesting thing to ponder though.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Jared" 

To: "MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: accessing Facebook info from command line



Such a thing already exists, and it's called FBCMD. See
http://fbcmd.dtompkins.com/

- wrote:

Someone wondered:

"I want to build a text-only Facebook client that can be used either
through an HTML interface or a command line interface that can be used
from the terminal. I wish to know if it is possible to access a user's
notifications, messages, request, etc and do small things like post
status updates using c, python, bash scripts, or html. It would be
great if you could point me to an appropriate resource to get started."

Why not use lynx the text based unix/linx browser.

XB


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trying to find facetime...

[Eric Oyen]

hello everyone.

I am having trouble trying to find/install facetime for the iPhone 3GS. the app 
store has listings that contain facetime, but not the actual app. I would also 
like to find this app for my OS X Snow Leopard system. anyone have a clue 
exactly where this app is?

-eric

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Re: trying to find facetime...

[Alex Hall]

It's already there, but not an app. Open the phone app, find your desired 
contact, and hit the Facetime button. I could be wrong and it isn't on the 3GS, 
but I'm not sure.

Have a great day,
Alex (msg sent from my iPod)
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On May 2, 2012, at 18:30, Eric Oyen  wrote:

> hello everyone.
> 
> I am having trouble trying to find/install facetime for the iPhone 3GS. the 
> app store has listings that contain facetime, but not the actual app. I would 
> also like to find this app for my OS X Snow Leopard system. anyone have a 
> clue exactly where this app is?
> 
> -eric
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Re: trying to find facetime...

[Eric Oyen]

so far, I haven't found it on the 3GS. I have iOS 5.0 on here. that may mean I 
need a better phone to support. I seriously wish I had the funds to get a 
proper iPad 4th generation device. have both Wi-Fi and 4G on it. 

anyway, it looks like I may have to bow out of a paid survey designed to help 
improve accessibility for the blind on all computing devices. :(

-eric

On May 2, 2012, at 3:33 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

> It's already there, but not an app. Open the phone app, find your desired 
> contact, and hit the Facetime button. I could be wrong and it isn't on the 
> 3GS, but I'm not sure.
> 
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from my iPod)
> mehg...@gmail.com
> 
> On May 2, 2012, at 18:30, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
>> hello everyone.
>> 
>> I am having trouble trying to find/install facetime for the iPhone 3GS. the 
>> app store has listings that contain facetime, but not the actual app. I 
>> would also like to find this app for my OS X Snow Leopard system. anyone 
>> have a clue exactly where this app is?
>> 
>> -eric
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Re: No longer able to copy

[Ray Foret Jr]

Neither do I.  Perhaps we can help if maybe you describe what you did before 
and what you're doing now?

1.  Download the book.

2.  Go to the downloads folder off your home folder.

3.  Find the book.

4.  When focused on the book, press command+c to copy.

5.  Now, navigate to the new location you want to move the book to and use 
command+v to paste or shift+command+v to move.

Of course, it goes without saying that you should make sure you are moving the 
unzipped version of the book.


Sincerely,
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> I have always been able to download books from Bard and copy them to an SD 
> card.I can no longer do this. I press the past command and my mac bonks. I am 
> not an expert Mac user, but this seems like a rather simple thing. I have no 
> clue what I'm doing wrong. 
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Re: trying to find facetime...

[Alex Hall]

Google it before you bow out; Google knows all!

Have a great day,
Alex (msg sent from my iPod)
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On May 2, 2012, at 18:39, Eric Oyen  wrote:

> so far, I haven't found it on the 3GS. I have iOS 5.0 on here. that may mean 
> I need a better phone to support. I seriously wish I had the funds to get a 
> proper iPad 4th generation device. have both Wi-Fi and 4G on it. 
> 
> anyway, it looks like I may have to bow out of a paid survey designed to help 
> improve accessibility for the blind on all computing devices. :(
> 
> -eric
> 
> On May 2, 2012, at 3:33 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
>> It's already there, but not an app. Open the phone app, find your desired 
>> contact, and hit the Facetime button. I could be wrong and it isn't on the 
>> 3GS, but I'm not sure.
>> 
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex (msg sent from my iPod)
>> mehg...@gmail.com
>> 
>> On May 2, 2012, at 18:30, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>>> hello everyone.
>>> 
>>> I am having trouble trying to find/install facetime for the iPhone 3GS. the 
>>> app store has listings that contain facetime, but not the actual app. I 
>>> would also like to find this app for my OS X Snow Leopard system. anyone 
>>> have a clue exactly where this app is?
>>> 
>>> -eric
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Re: trying to find facetime...

[Charlie Doremus]

FYI there is not a 4th generation iPad on the market at the present time. 

As far as FaceTime on a 3GS iPhone goes look in the app store for an app called 
"fring" it might be just what you are looking for. BTW it's free. 

Aloha, 

Charlie

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On May 2, 2012, at 12:39 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:

> so far, I haven't found it on the 3GS. I have iOS 5.0 on here. that may mean 
> I need a better phone to support. I seriously wish I had the funds to get a 
> proper iPad 4th generation device. have both Wi-Fi and 4G on it. 
> 
> anyway, it looks like I may have to bow out of a paid survey designed to help 
> improve accessibility for the blind on all computing devices. :(
> 
> -eric
> 
> On May 2, 2012, at 3:33 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
>> It's already there, but not an app. Open the phone app, find your desired 
>> contact, and hit the Facetime button. I could be wrong and it isn't on the 
>> 3GS, but I'm not sure.
>> 
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex (msg sent from my iPod)
>> mehg...@gmail.com
>> 
>> On May 2, 2012, at 18:30, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>>> hello everyone.
>>> 
>>> I am having trouble trying to find/install facetime for the iPhone 3GS. the 
>>> app store has listings that contain facetime, but not the actual app. I 
>>> would also like to find this app for my OS X Snow Leopard system. anyone 
>>> have a clue exactly where this app is?
>>> 
>>> -eric
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Re: trying to find facetime...

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

There is no FaceTime on the 3GS.  Its only on the iPhone 4 and higher, iPad 2 
and higher, or the 4th gen iPod touch.  Keep in mind, the 3GS doesn't have a 
front facing camera so, having video chat would be a little ridiculous. :)

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
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On May 2, 2012, at 6:39 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:

> so far, I haven't found it on the 3GS. I have iOS 5.0 on here. that may mean 
> I need a better phone to support. I seriously wish I had the funds to get a 
> proper iPad 4th generation device. have both Wi-Fi and 4G on it. 
> 
> anyway, it looks like I may have to bow out of a paid survey designed to help 
> improve accessibility for the blind on all computing devices. :(
> 
> -eric
> 
> On May 2, 2012, at 3:33 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
>> It's already there, but not an app. Open the phone app, find your desired 
>> contact, and hit the Facetime button. I could be wrong and it isn't on the 
>> 3GS, but I'm not sure.
>> 
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex (msg sent from my iPod)
>> mehg...@gmail.com
>> 
>> On May 2, 2012, at 18:30, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>>> hello everyone.
>>> 
>>> I am having trouble trying to find/install facetime for the iPhone 3GS. the 
>>> app store has listings that contain facetime, but not the actual app. I 
>>> would also like to find this app for my OS X Snow Leopard system. anyone 
>>> have a clue exactly where this app is?
>>> 
>>> -eric
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RE: trying to find facetime...

[alberto arreola]

Hi, the 3GS doesn't support face time.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Oyen
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: trying to find facetime...

so far, I haven't found it on the 3GS. I have iOS 5.0 on here. that may mean
I need a better phone to support. I seriously wish I had the funds to get a
proper iPad 4th generation device. have both Wi-Fi and 4G on it. 

anyway, it looks like I may have to bow out of a paid survey designed to
help improve accessibility for the blind on all computing devices. :(

-eric

On May 2, 2012, at 3:33 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

> It's already there, but not an app. Open the phone app, find your desired
contact, and hit the Facetime button. I could be wrong and it isn't on the
3GS, but I'm not sure.
> 
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from my iPod)
> mehg...@gmail.com
> 
> On May 2, 2012, at 18:30, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
>> hello everyone.
>> 
>> I am having trouble trying to find/install facetime for the iPhone 3GS.
the app store has listings that contain facetime, but not the actual app. I
would also like to find this app for my OS X Snow Leopard system. anyone
have a clue exactly where this app is?
>> 
>> -eric
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Re: Amazon Cloud Drive

[Kliphton]

What exactly are you looking for in accessibility?  I've used the app with much 
success.  The main thing I like about the app, is you can choose where to 
download your music, either directly to your itunes library, or a folder of 
your choice.  I mean why would you want to access them from the app, if you 
could have them play and saved directly from your mac.  I hear they have a app 
for the iPhone in the works.  Android already has one.  And the other thing is, 
if you have files in the mp3 format, you can store them in your amazon cloud, 
and it doesn't count against your free storage.  If you want a service to back 
up your music, why not use itunes match, or google drive seems to be accessible 
enough.  Me personally, I like sky drive, because I get 25 GB of free storage, 
and it has a ios, and mac app even though it is a microsoft product.  And both 
vo accessible.  JMO

On May 2, 2012, at 2:59 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:

> It doesn't surprise me much that it isn't accessible; I mean, look at
> their kindle crap product and their sweetheart relationship with the
> authors' guild.  I wouldn't use or buy anything from Amazon until they
> take a better approach to accessibility.
> 
> On 5/2/12, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>> Yes, it just goes to the website anyway, which is pretty accessible. You
>> have to sign in with the app, but even when you do, it lives in the status
>> menu by the clock, and doesn't seem to announce itself easily. It doesn't
>> seem to have an interface for accessing files, which is still handled by the
>> site.
>> 
>> Teresa
>> 
>> I'm a pantheist; I worship Pan.
>> 
>> On May 2, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Austin Seraphin wrote:
>> 
>>> Sorry to report that this new app seems inaccessible. I opened it and just
>>> got a blank window over top of finder. Have I missed something? I'd love
>>> to find a better syncing service than Dropbox, which to me seems like one
>>> of those things that works until you really need it. Too bad Sparkleshare
>>> doesn't work either, which uses a GIT repository.
>>> 
>>> - Austin
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Re: Advice on switching from PC

[Kliphton]

I made the switch to the mac almost a year ago.  And don't regret it one bit!  
One tip I will give you is the same one someone gave me and it helped me the 
most.  It's going to sound simple, but is hard to do and in the long run is the 
1 thing that will help you the most.  Forget everything you know about windows 
when dealing with the mac.  Pretend you are knew to a whole new os, as mac and 
PC's as well as jaws and voice over are as different as night and day.  I went 
cold turkey with the mac, sold all my windows pc's, and didn't by a copy for vm 
fusion on per pose.  Once I learned the mac, and how to survive a little with 
voice over.  I picked up a copy of vm fusion, and windows home premium.  I 
still have a few things that windows can do that mac hasn't jumped on the band 
wagon yet, plus, I do a lot of downloading and media editing on the windows 
that I don't care to clutter my mac with.  That's a personal choice.  If you 
want to chat about it more, my contact info is below.  And like I said before, 
I've been using a mac and vm fusion for almost a year.  I'm  not a pro, but 
know more than most.  Good luck!
Kliphton SR
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On May 2, 2012, at 2:23 PM, Will Cummings wrote:

> Thanks for the feedback so quickly!  
> 
> @ Eugenia - thanks for the tips!  I actually hadn't thought about porting 
> .pdf's onto my iphone for reading, but that could be very useful for catching 
> up on reading when on the bus or travelling.  I will have to experiment some.
> 
> @ Chris - I had heard about BootCamp and Parallels, but not VMWare Fusion.  I 
> was planning on setting up one of these options, if only to have a fallback 
> as I learned the Mac environment.  My hope in switching was to avoid some of 
> the hassles of the Windows environment (viruses and security issues mostly), 
> which I'm assuming would be equally applicable in BootCamp, etc no?  And yes, 
> I wouldn't want to fall into the trap of booting into Windows and not really 
> learning the Mac OS.
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RE: Data Detecter

[Marcia Yale]

I wonder why Apple chose to use that phrase instead of just the word "link",
which you hear on a Windows machine when you encounter a link. 

 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Red.Falcon
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 4:50 PM
To: macvisionaries group
Subject: Re: Data Detecter

 

Well as far as I can tell! there is no way to stop it!

I'm not sure if it can be tamed in the custom verbosity settings in VO
utility!

But it would be nice to have the option to turn it on or off!

Maybe a suggestion to them nice people at Accessibility!

 

Colin

 

Unless someone knows different! :]

 

On 27 Apr 2012, at 19:52, Veronica Elsea wrote:





Hi Steve and everyone!

I too am watching to see if anyone chimes in here. It annoys me too. Thanks.

Veronica

 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ
Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at 
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407 

 

On Apr 27, 2012, at 1:46 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:





Anyone have an answer to this question? I got no replies from before
and I still haven't found a way to get Data Detecter to go away.

On 4/23/12, Steve Holmes  wrote:



Hi, Is there any way to get VO on the mac to stop saying "data detecter"

every time you arrow across what text is perceived to be an address or phone

number? I find this to be especially annoying when arrowing through emails

in particular. It also says that every time you left or right arrow through

a link to spell it out letter by letter.

 

Any ideas?

 

 


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Re: No longer able to copy

[Richard Ring]

The way you've described it is exactly the way I used to do it. I am beginning 
to think there is a problem with the card.
On May 2, 2012, at 5:49 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Neither do I.  Perhaps we can help if maybe you describe what you did before 
> and what you're doing now?
> 
> 1.  Download the book.
> 
> 2.  Go to the downloads folder off your home folder.
> 
> 3.  Find the book.
> 
> 4.  When focused on the book, press command+c to copy.
> 
> 5.  Now, navigate to the new location you want to move the book to and use 
> command+v to paste or shift+command+v to move.
> 
> Of course, it goes without saying that you should make sure you are moving 
> the unzipped version of the book.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
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> 
> Facebook:
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> 
> 
> 
> On May 2, 2012, at 5:02 PM, Richard Ring wrote:
> 
>> I have always been able to download books from Bard and copy them to an SD 
>> card.I can no longer do this. I press the past command and my mac bonks. I 
>> am not an expert Mac user, but this seems like a rather simple thing. I have 
>> no clue what I'm doing wrong. 
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Re: Amazon Cloud Drive

[Venkatesh Potluri]

Did anybody succeed in installing the google drive Mac app? I get a warning 
from disk image mounter that the the image is not recognized. I downloaded it 
many times but had no luck. 



Sent from my iPhone

On 03-May-2012, at 6:48 AM, Kliphton  wrote:

> What exactly are you looking for in accessibility?  I've used the app with 
> much success.  The main thing I like about the app, is you can choose where 
> to download your music, either directly to your itunes library, or a folder 
> of your choice.  I mean why would you want to access them from the app, if 
> you could have them play and saved directly from your mac.  I hear they have 
> a app for the iPhone in the works.  Android already has one.  And the other 
> thing is, if you have files in the mp3 format, you can store them in your 
> amazon cloud, and it doesn't count against your free storage.  If you want a 
> service to back up your music, why not use itunes match, or google drive 
> seems to be accessible enough.  Me personally, I like sky drive, because I 
> get 25 GB of free storage, and it has a ios, and mac app even though it is a 
> microsoft product.  And both vo accessible.  JMO
> 
> On May 2, 2012, at 2:59 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:
> 
>> It doesn't surprise me much that it isn't accessible; I mean, look at
>> their kindle crap product and their sweetheart relationship with the
>> authors' guild.  I wouldn't use or buy anything from Amazon until they
>> take a better approach to accessibility.
>> 
>> On 5/2/12, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>>> Yes, it just goes to the website anyway, which is pretty accessible. You
>>> have to sign in with the app, but even when you do, it lives in the status
>>> menu by the clock, and doesn't seem to announce itself easily. It doesn't
>>> seem to have an interface for accessing files, which is still handled by the
>>> site.
>>> 
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> I'm a pantheist; I worship Pan.
>>> 
>>> On May 2, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Austin Seraphin wrote:
>>> 
 Sorry to report that this new app seems inaccessible. I opened it and just
 got a blank window over top of finder. Have I missed something? I'd love
 to find a better syncing service than Dropbox, which to me seems like one
 of those things that works until you really need it. Too bad Sparkleshare
 doesn't work either, which uses a GIT repository.
 
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Just about to give up!

[Veronica Elsea]

Okay, for the past week I've been writing about mail issues from out 
of town. I'm still puzzled about the mailboxes and messages tables 
because they don't behave like some of you describe. But now that I 
came home, the good old Mail problem reappeared again. I can once 
again receive mail, but not send. I know this is a mail bug because 
I've now visited two different genious bars and they said they know 
of many people who have changed their email from whatever it was to a 
G mail account so it won't keep losing track of itself. I'm tired of 
recreating accounts and struggling to read subject lines for mail. 
I'm about ready to put this thing away until an update comes out. I 
so want it to work but I'm really frustrated. I don't think the 
losing track of my account server is related to VoiceOver at all, but 
the other stuff is, for sure.
I feel so stupid when I read this list and see how much some of you 
are doing, yet I can't seem to get the basics out of my way so I can 
enjoy the more complex stuff. Okay, I did get Drop box to work. I 
found out that the Braille Sense OnHand is supposed to work with Macs 
once Mountain Lion comes out. I don't know. Is it not my time? I just 
wanted to write and see if there's anyone out there who understands 
where I'm at right now. I learned Dos. I'm quite good at Windows. I 
didn't have any trouble learning the iPhone. So why is Lion driving 
me absolutely insane? Thanks so much.


Veronica

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Re: undimmed item

[Pam Mathers]

Hi.  Yes I had tried all of those things and they didn't work but the problem 
has been solved.  I think it had something to do with usent E. mails and it was 
affecting safari too.  Thanks.
On May 2, 2012, at 1:59 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

> Hi Pam.
> Have you tried getting rid of all your windows in Safari with command W or 
> killing off the history and then quitting Safari and starting over? You might 
> also try shutting down your computer, and closing all the windows when you 
> shut down. That's the only things I can think of at the moment.
> 
> 
> Eugenia Firth
> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
> 
> 
> 
> On May 2, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Pam Mathers wrote:
> 
>> Hi.  I have a question.  How do you undim an item.  Somehow or other, 
>> whenever I go to safari, it will let me type in the webb address, but when I 
>> press enter, it will not allow me to enterin to anything.  When I press the 
>> foreward button and back button it says that both items are dimmed. I think 
>> that is why I can't get in to any webb pages on safari, no matter which one 
>> I go to.  Does anyone know how to fix the problem.  Thanks.
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Re: help on PDF files

[Tim Kilburn]

You'll also notice that sometimes the pdf doesn't read at all.  This is usually 
due to the pdf being a graphic.  It could be a simple graphical diagram which 
is not going to read by any screenreader or it could be a scanned image of a 
textual item.  In the latter, even though it appears textual to a sighted 
reader, it is still graphic to the computer and thus a graphic image to the 
screenreader.  Therefore, in order to read it at all, you'd need to use an OCR 
app such as ABBYY Fine Reader to translate it into readable format.

Later...

On 2012-05-02, at 12:06 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

> Hi there.
> Some screen readers like VoiceOver and Jaws don't some PDF files well, 
> especially any that have columns. Most screen readers are reading from left 
> to right, and if the author of the Pdf file makes columns, well then they get 
> mixed up quite often. It sometimes helps to OCR them, maybe. I haven't tried 
> that particular thing on the Mac because, right now our OCR programs are 
> designed for the sighted who can unscramble the columns for themselves. In 
> Windows, Kurzweil 1000 and/or OpenBook can sometimes unscramble the columns, 
> and sometimes not. That's been my experience, anyway. I used to have this 
> problem at work with PDF files.
> 
> Regards,
> Gigi
> 
> Eugenia Firth
> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
> 
> 
> 
> On May 2, 2012, at 4:46 AM, Luke Henson wrote:
> 
>> Hey guys 
>> 
>> I was wondering if anyone knew where I could find out more infomation about 
>> reading PDF files with voice over
>> 
>> I want to know for example, why most can be read easily, and then bump into 
>> one that just wont read  at all?
>> 
>> I have also found some PDF files  yes you read straight through,  and  then 
>> it seems like words kinda get mixed up within the text
>> 
>> 
>> any help with any thing  would be awsome 
>> 
>> 
>> thanks,  ?
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Audio redirection

[Sean Murphy]

Hi all.

Is it possible on the Mac to have Voice-over going across the head phone and 
all system sound going across the internal speakers?

Sean 

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Re: Audio redirection

[Alex Hall]

Yes. Open the vo utility, select the sound tab, and select the sound
device vo should use.

On 5/3/12, Sean Murphy  wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> Is it possible on the Mac to have Voice-over going across the head phone and
> all system sound going across the internal speakers?
>
> Sean
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Re: Just about to give up!

[Pam Mathers]

Hey don't give up.  I know how you feel.  I am very new at the Imac and when I 
read what some of these people are doing and the knowlege that everyone has, it 
makes my head spin.  I have a snow leopard so I can't help you with the E. mail 
problem but I can tell you that I have been so frustrated with several other 
things that i have felt like giving up but I'm glad I didn't.  I know there 
will be other frustrations in the future for me, plenty of them but it will be 
worth it if you can just hang in.
On May 3, 2012, at 12:05 AM, Veronica Elsea wrote:

> Okay, for the past week I've been writing about mail issues from out of town. 
> I'm still puzzled about the mailboxes and messages tables because they don't 
> behave like some of you describe. But now that I came home, the good old Mail 
> problem reappeared again. I can once again receive mail, but not send. I know 
> this is a mail bug because I've now visited two different genious bars and 
> they said they know of many people who have changed their email from whatever 
> it was to a G mail account so it won't keep losing track of itself. I'm tired 
> of recreating accounts and struggling to read subject lines for mail. I'm 
> about ready to put this thing away until an update comes out. I so want it to 
> work but I'm really frustrated. I don't think the losing track of my account 
> server is related to VoiceOver at all, but the other stuff is, for sure.
> I feel so stupid when I read this list and see how much some of you are 
> doing, yet I can't seem to get the basics out of my way so I can enjoy the 
> more complex stuff. Okay, I did get Drop box to work. I found out that the 
> Braille Sense OnHand is supposed to work with Macs once Mountain Lion comes 
> out. I don't know. Is it not my time? I just wanted to write and see if 
> there's anyone out there who understands where I'm at right now. I learned 
> Dos. I'm quite good at Windows. I didn't have any trouble learning the 
> iPhone. So why is Lion driving me absolutely insane? Thanks so much.
> 
> Veronica
> 
> Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing The Star-spangled Banner at 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ
> Then learn about Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever!
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>   Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> 831-429-6407
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