Re: iPad, iPhone, Mac for the blind
one thing that I can note that is not seeming to be mentioned is the fact that there ar certain Apps which are not available on iPhone / iPod Touch, yet, that are found on the iPad. The iPad from my prespective is purely for consumption, and I use it for news papers, which 4 of which are not found on the iPhone, and 5 are on the iPhone, but, only as reduced versions. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 24 Mar 2012, at 08:43, David Hole wrote: > hi folks. > I just wonder, and many here have asked, so I thought I'd ask you in > this group. > What's the benefit for blind people to have an iPad instead of an > iPhone? > I mean, as far as I can see, the difference is only the screen size... > Am I right? > Actually I'd like to have one myself, but I can't find any good > reasons to have it, since I have both an iPhone and a Mac. > Hope someone here can give me reasons to get one :p > Best regards David > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iPad, iPhone, Mac for the blind
I really wish there was a financing program for the blind when it comes to mac hardware (laptops, desktops, iPad, iPhone). given that I (and a great many others) am living on a disability income (more than 85% of the blind in the US are), I find it nearly impossible to save up for any equipment. Hell, I had to make my own Hackintosh and load it with a store purchased copy of snow leopard. It cost me $30 for the OS and about $400 to assemble the machine. at minimum, I would have to spend nearly twice that much for a comparably equipped mac mini and almost $1500 or more for a reasonably powerful macbook pro/air. given that I have to spend my money on medications, rent and food, there is no way I can even save up for one at all. there used to be a "free macs for the blind" charity in Great Britain, but the person running that organization was forced to give it up as there were too many problems involved. We need something like that here in North America, but I just don't see that happening. I tried to query Apple about doing something like this and was given the polite brush off (thats nice kid, here is a soda. now go over in the corner.). hell, they have $115 Billion in CASH laying around they are not using. they could earn themselves a lot of good publicity if they offered some macs to the blind at a vastly discounted rate. it would also give them an in to a market they don't currently have. anyway, time for me to climb down off the soapbox. -eric On Mar 26, 2012, at 1:38 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > one thing that I can note that is not seeming to be mentioned is the fact > that there ar certain Apps which are not available on iPhone / iPod Touch, > yet, that are found on the iPad. > > The iPad from my prespective is purely for consumption, and I use it for news > papers, which 4 of which are not found on the iPhone, and 5 are on the > iPhone, but, only as reduced versions. > > > > > Regards, > > Neil Barnfather > > Talks List Administrator > Twitter @neilbarnfather > > TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple > iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your > accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com > > URL: - www.talknav.com > e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com > Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 > > On 24 Mar 2012, at 08:43, David Hole wrote: > >> hi folks. >> I just wonder, and many here have asked, so I thought I'd ask you in >> this group. >> What's the benefit for blind people to have an iPad instead of an >> iPhone? >> I mean, as far as I can see, the difference is only the screen size... >> Am I right? >> Actually I'd like to have one myself, but I can't find any good >> reasons to have it, since I have both an iPhone and a Mac. >> Hope someone here can give me reasons to get one :p >> Best regards David >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iPad, iPhone, Mac for the blind
Eric, I don't know you or your financial situation beyond what you have said. However, I do understand how it can be difficult to "make ends" meet and how hard it is to save up and purchase something you want, but it is possible. There is no reason for APple to offer any product at a reduced price because of your disability. APple is a great company that has done amazing things, but APple is not a charity. Yes APple has lots of cash and the reason why APple has been successful is by using their money wisely and other companies should maybe take a page from APple's playbook and they could be in a good financial place. I mean no offense Eric, but I get a little worked up when I read messages making statements such as those you made. Blind people like any other group of individuals with a disability need opportunity not charity, A hand up not a hand out, and no matter if you have a "disability" or not it is up to you to determine your financial priorities so that you can purchase the things you want. Note that you does not refer to you as Eric. :) On Mar 26, 2012, at 5:22 AM, Eric Oyen wrote: > I really wish there was a financing program for the blind when it comes to > mac hardware (laptops, desktops, iPad, iPhone). given that I (and a great > many others) am living on a disability income (more than 85% of the blind in > the US are), I find it nearly impossible to save up for any equipment. Hell, > I had to make my own Hackintosh and load it with a store purchased copy of > snow leopard. It cost me $30 for the OS and about $400 to assemble the > machine. at minimum, I would have to spend nearly twice that much for a > comparably equipped mac mini and almost $1500 or more for a reasonably > powerful macbook pro/air. given that I have to spend my money on medications, > rent and food, there is no way I can even save up for one at all. > > there used to be a "free macs for the blind" charity in Great Britain, but > the person running that organization was forced to give it up as there were > too many problems involved. We need something like that here in North > America, but I just don't see that happening. I tried to query Apple about > doing something like this and was given the polite brush off (thats nice kid, > here is a soda. now go over in the corner.). hell, they have $115 Billion in > CASH laying around they are not using. they could earn themselves a lot of > good publicity if they offered some macs to the blind at a vastly discounted > rate. it would also give them an in to a market they don't currently have. > > anyway, time for me to climb down off the soapbox. > > -eric > > On Mar 26, 2012, at 1:38 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > >> one thing that I can note that is not seeming to be mentioned is the fact >> that there ar certain Apps which are not available on iPhone / iPod Touch, >> yet, that are found on the iPad. >> >> The iPad from my prespective is purely for consumption, and I use it for >> news papers, which 4 of which are not found on the iPhone, and 5 are on the >> iPhone, but, only as reduced versions. >> >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Neil Barnfather >> >> Talks List Administrator >> Twitter @neilbarnfather >> >> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple >> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your >> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >> >> URL: - www.talknav.com >> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com >> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >> >> On 24 Mar 2012, at 08:43, David Hole wrote: >> >>> hi folks. >>> I just wonder, and many here have asked, so I thought I'd ask you in >>> this group. >>> What's the benefit for blind people to have an iPad instead of an >>> iPhone? >>> I mean, as far as I can see, the difference is only the screen size... >>> Am I right? >>> Actually I'd like to have one myself, but I can't find any good >>> reasons to have it, since I have both an iPhone and a Mac. >>> Hope someone here can give me reasons to get one :p >>> Best regards David >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. >
Re: iPad, iPhone, Mac for the blind
Hi Eric, yep I completely agree with you and understand your plite. I was forced to close down the project due to two major factors. Lack of support regarding supply of equipment and a poorly run charities commission stating different rulings and then telling me that my project does not warrant Commission status, thus failing to grant registered numbers, etc. This project has helped a very small number of users (8 in all) and it's left me in a very serious situation which I've now resolved. The problem also exists wherever you are in the world. Funding for accessible equipment for the blind is non existant. Why? well from my years of experience in this matter, various charities set up conflicting guidelines and rulings which do not help the individual in need of the support. For over 12 years since I lost my sight completely, I had to apply for various grants. within 10 years, every grant (500+ in total) were rejected, all because of different factors by their own rulings, offerings of £100 to £250 towards a product and then not being able to apply to X amount of other charities (connected to the associated charity in question) due to ridiculous clauses. I use my iphone 3GS and macbook pro. the only reason I have these is through having to sell everything I owned including my old music gear from years ago to raise the funds for the kit needed, from there it's been a thing of taking on a few projects to raise cash for equipment I still have to rely on. internationally, we need to change the system and yes APPLE needs to help us out on this. They have developed products which openly and directly support blind and disabled users and yet we have to pay an absolute premium, as rightly said here, over 85% of blind people in the USA are out of work and cannot afford the equipment and services needed, the same here in the UK even though disability living allowance and other components aren't enough to cover costs of equipment. You're lucky if you get into a university to receive grants for equipment you need. In my case, through my education, the equipment I had to use failed me all the time, the wrong software, wrong hardware and operating systems which by their own admission were poorly managed and had huge issues. hence me taking on the matters in person and resolving them. a battle I don't want to entertain ever again. It's at this point where we as a nation of blind and visually impaired people make a stand and a change for the better. lew On 26 Mar 2012, at 10:22, Eric Oyen wrote: > I really wish there was a financing program for the blind when it comes to > mac hardware (laptops, desktops, iPad, iPhone). given that I (and a great > many others) am living on a disability income (more than 85% of the blind in > the US are), I find it nearly impossible to save up for any equipment. Hell, > I had to make my own Hackintosh and load it with a store purchased copy of > snow leopard. It cost me $30 for the OS and about $400 to assemble the > machine. at minimum, I would have to spend nearly twice that much for a > comparably equipped mac mini and almost $1500 or more for a reasonably > powerful macbook pro/air. given that I have to spend my money on medications, > rent and food, there is no way I can even save up for one at all. > > there used to be a "free macs for the blind" charity in Great Britain, but > the person running that organization was forced to give it up as there were > too many problems involved. We need something like that here in North > America, but I just don't see that happening. I tried to query Apple about > doing something like this and was given the polite brush off (thats nice kid, > here is a soda. now go over in the corner.). hell, they have $115 Billion in > CASH laying around they are not using. they could earn themselves a lot of > good publicity if they offered some macs to the blind at a vastly discounted > rate. it would also give them an in to a market they don't currently have. > > anyway, time for me to climb down off the soapbox. > > -eric > > On Mar 26, 2012, at 1:38 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > >> one thing that I can note that is not seeming to be mentioned is the fact >> that there ar certain Apps which are not available on iPhone / iPod Touch, >> yet, that are found on the iPad. >> >> The iPad from my prespective is purely for consumption, and I use it for >> news papers, which 4 of which are not found on the iPhone, and 5 are on the >> iPhone, but, only as reduced versions. >> >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Neil Barnfather >> >> Talks List Administrator >> Twitter @neilbarnfather >> >> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple >> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your >> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >> >> URL: - www.talknav.com >> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com >> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >>
a guide on pages
Hey how is it all going? I have been useing VO, with a mac for about 4 months now and really need to learn pages in a more effective way, I was wondering if anyone knew of a overall guide on the bestway VO can use pages Any help at all would be great ThanksLuke -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iPad, iPhone, Mac for the blind
I realize this. the problem is that there is absolutely no possibility that I will ever be able to save up for one. I get $718 a month and between the rent, food and cell phone, I have nothing left. I actually have to borrow money each month just to pay the medications co-pay (that leaves me about $30 in the hole each month). this computer and 1 handheld radio are about the only things I own outright (and the computer is about 4 years old). now, if I were employed, I wouldn't even have these problems. I would be living in a slightly nicer place (outside of gang territory), paying my taxes, having real health insurance, and buying real food (not the cheap crap chock full of chemistry and virtually no food value). you are right, too, that apple doesn't HAVE TO reduce their prices. they could garner an even bigger share of the laptop and desktop markets if they did. they don't HAVE TO offer some discounts to those who are disabled, but they could and it wouldn't hurt their bottom line at all. Yes, I could save up only IF I were able to. hell, the internet I had to beg from a neighbor on a wireless node. so yeah, I have a lot on my plate that wouldn't be there otherwise. call me frustrated. I am stuck on a waiting list to get a hearing aid for my left ear. that has delayed my training program and continues to delay any possibility of becoming employed. so, unless something moves here, I take whatever I can get, where ever I can get it. here is a number crunching exercise for you. there are an estimated 25 million blind or visually impaired people in the US. if Apple where to *GIVE* each of us 1 fully equipped mac mini, it would cost less than $2.5 Billion and they would still make a profit on the deal in good publicity alone. that would still leave them with $113 Billion IN CASH laying around doing nothing. with that cash, Apple could buy ALL of hollywood (warner brothers, disney, universal studios, ILM and others) plus purchase 2 of the big cable companies plus purchase blockbuster and netflix and still have enough left over to buy all of AT&T. After all of that, they would still have enough cash laying around to make the profits of BP Oil look like loose change. They could buy all of wal*mart and only start to break a sweat. at the end of all this, Apple would be the worlds largest corporation with revenues exceeding the GNP of nearly 40 countries combined and rebuild all that spent cash in less than 5 years. Now, considering I am a trained accountant with a business administration background (courtesy of Glendale Community college) and I requested the balance sheets on a number of corporations to see what was really happening to our economy. the scenario above would be entirely possible if the US Government had no RICO Laws. Just the assets that such a monster I have described above would exceed the net worth of nearly all of Europe and some of south America. I know that sounds highly ludicrous but that is what $113 Billion IN CASH could do properly invested. at that level, the interest being earned would start to earn its own interest in very short order. so yeah, it looks ridiculous, but that is the scale I am talking about here. giving away 25 million mac minis wouldn't even put a dent in that and I am not asking them to give them away, just give us a little hand up to owning some real tools. -eric On Mar 26, 2012, at 2:38 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > Eric, > > I don't know you or your financial situation beyond what you have said. > However, I do understand how it can be difficult to "make ends" meet and how > hard it is to save up and purchase something you want, but it is possible. > There is no reason for APple to offer any product at a reduced price because > of your disability. APple is a great company that has done amazing things, > but APple is not a charity. Yes APple has lots of cash and the reason why > APple has been successful is by using their money wisely and other companies > should maybe take a page from APple's playbook and they could be in a good > financial place. > I mean no offense Eric, but I get a little worked up when I read messages > making statements such as those you made. Blind people like any other group > of individuals with a disability need opportunity not charity, A hand up not > a hand out, and no matter if you have a "disability" or not it is up to you > to determine your financial priorities so that you can purchase the things > you want. Note that you does not refer to you as Eric. :) > > > On Mar 26, 2012, at 5:22 AM, Eric Oyen wrote: > >> I really wish there was a financing program for the blind when it comes to >> mac hardware (laptops, desktops, iPad, iPhone). given that I (and a great >> many others) am living on a disability income (more than 85% of the blind in >> the US are), I find it nearly impossible to save up for any equipment. Hell, >> I had to make my own Hackintosh and load
Re: iPad, iPhone, Mac for the blind
at least you had stuff to sell. I don't even have that. I would get about $100 for this machine on the used market. the linux laptop even less. I own very little, so having capital to work with just isn't happening. I, too, have run into the bureaucratic quagmire of dealing with various charities just to get assistance on some critical needs (medications, etc). I would like very much to meet the lawyers that made this situation and have them wear a blindfold for 1 year (you cannot take it off for anything). have all the members of congress setup this way, all the upper management of the US Government and all the lawyers for all the charities. 1 year of blindness and there would certainly be a boatload of changes for the better (such as public education, better accessibility, better job training and a vastly more streamlined system of getting things done. I would congress read the 70,000 pages of regulations currently on the books... IN BRAILLE. I think even reading the entire text of the affordable care act in braille would scare the whole lot of them off the hill. hehe nice pipedream but it gives you an idea of just how much frustration I go through EVERY DAY. -eric On Mar 26, 2012, at 2:39 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote: > Hi Eric, > > yep I completely agree with you and understand your plite. > > I was forced to close down the project due to two major factors. Lack of > support regarding supply of equipment and a poorly run charities commission > stating different rulings and then telling me that my project does not > warrant Commission status, thus failing to grant registered numbers, etc. > > This project has helped a very small number of users (8 in all) and it's left > me in a very serious situation which I've now resolved. > > The problem also exists wherever you are in the world. Funding for accessible > equipment for the blind is non existant. Why? well from my years of > experience in this matter, various charities set up conflicting guidelines > and rulings which do not help the individual in need of the support. For over > 12 years since I lost my sight completely, I had to apply for various grants. > within 10 years, every grant (500+ in total) were rejected, all because of > different factors by their own rulings, offerings of £100 to £250 towards a > product and then not being able to apply to X amount of other charities > (connected to the associated charity in question) due to ridiculous clauses. > > I use my iphone 3GS and macbook pro. the only reason I have these is through > having to sell everything I owned including my old music gear from years ago > to raise the funds for the kit needed, from there it's been a thing of taking > on a few projects to raise cash for equipment I still have to rely on. > > internationally, we need to change the system and yes APPLE needs to help us > out on this. They have developed products which openly and directly support > blind and disabled users and yet we have to pay an absolute premium, as > rightly said here, over 85% of blind people in the USA are out of work and > cannot afford the equipment and services needed, the same here in the UK even > though disability living allowance and other components aren't enough to > cover costs of equipment. You're lucky if you get into a university to > receive grants for equipment you need. In my case, through my education, the > equipment I had to use failed me all the time, the wrong software, wrong > hardware and operating systems which by their own admission were poorly > managed and had huge issues. hence me taking on the matters in person and > resolving them. a battle I don't want to entertain ever again. > > It's at this point where we as a nation of blind and visually impaired people > make a stand and a change for the better. > > lew > > On 26 Mar 2012, at 10:22, Eric Oyen wrote: > >> I really wish there was a financing program for the blind when it comes to >> mac hardware (laptops, desktops, iPad, iPhone). given that I (and a great >> many others) am living on a disability income (more than 85% of the blind in >> the US are), I find it nearly impossible to save up for any equipment. Hell, >> I had to make my own Hackintosh and load it with a store purchased copy of >> snow leopard. It cost me $30 for the OS and about $400 to assemble the >> machine. at minimum, I would have to spend nearly twice that much for a >> comparably equipped mac mini and almost $1500 or more for a reasonably >> powerful macbook pro/air. given that I have to spend my money on >> medications, rent and food, there is no way I can even save up for one at >> all. >> >> there used to be a "free macs for the blind" charity in Great Britain, but >> the person running that organization was forced to give it up as there were >> too many problems involved. We need something like that here in North >> America, but I just don't see that happening. I tried to query App
Re: iPad, iPhone, Mac for the blind
Hi, The problem with what you say is, its not just blind people fighting for that assistance. You have those with develop mental disabilities, emotional disorders, motor disabilities, and the list goes on. And they all want there share of the pie. So the same congressman you have wear a blind fold for a year, will also be asked to sit in a wheel chair for a year. Wear ear pluges for a year, etc. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Mar 26, 2012, at 6:53 AM, Eric Oyen wrote: > at least you had stuff to sell. I don't even have that. I would get about > $100 for this machine on the used market. the linux laptop even less. I own > very little, so having capital to work with just isn't happening. > > I, too, have run into the bureaucratic quagmire of dealing with various > charities just to get assistance on some critical needs (medications, etc). I > would like very much to meet the lawyers that made this situation and have > them wear a blindfold for 1 year (you cannot take it off for anything). have > all the members of congress setup this way, all the upper management of the > US Government and all the lawyers for all the charities. 1 year of blindness > and there would certainly be a boatload of changes for the better (such as > public education, better accessibility, better job training and a vastly more > streamlined system of getting things done. > > I would congress read the 70,000 pages of regulations currently on the > books... IN BRAILLE. I think even reading the entire text of the affordable > care act in braille would scare the whole lot of them off the hill. > > hehe nice pipedream but it gives you an idea of just how much frustration I > go through EVERY DAY. > > -eric > > On Mar 26, 2012, at 2:39 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote: > >> Hi Eric, >> >> yep I completely agree with you and understand your plite. >> >> I was forced to close down the project due to two major factors. Lack of >> support regarding supply of equipment and a poorly run charities commission >> stating different rulings and then telling me that my project does not >> warrant Commission status, thus failing to grant registered numbers, etc. >> >> This project has helped a very small number of users (8 in all) and it's >> left me in a very serious situation which I've now resolved. >> >> The problem also exists wherever you are in the world. Funding for >> accessible equipment for the blind is non existant. Why? well from my years >> of experience in this matter, various charities set up conflicting >> guidelines and rulings which do not help the individual in need of the >> support. For over 12 years since I lost my sight completely, I had to apply >> for various grants. within 10 years, every grant (500+ in total) were >> rejected, all because of different factors by their own rulings, offerings >> of £100 to £250 towards a product and then not being able to apply to X >> amount of other charities (connected to the associated charity in question) >> due to ridiculous clauses. >> >> I use my iphone 3GS and macbook pro. the only reason I have these is through >> having to sell everything I owned including my old music gear from years ago >> to raise the funds for the kit needed, from there it's been a thing of >> taking on a few projects to raise cash for equipment I still have to rely on. >> >> internationally, we need to change the system and yes APPLE needs to help us >> out on this. They have developed products which openly and directly support >> blind and disabled users and yet we have to pay an absolute premium, as >> rightly said here, over 85% of blind people in the USA are out of work and >> cannot afford the equipment and services needed, the same here in the UK >> even though disability living allowance and other components aren't enough >> to cover costs of equipment. You're lucky if you get into a university to >> receive grants for equipment you need. In my case, through my education, the >> equipment I had to use failed me all the time, the wrong software, wrong >> hardware and operating systems which by their own admission were poorly >> managed and had huge issues. hence me taking on the matters in person and >> resolving them. a battle I don't want to entertain ever again. >> >> It's at this point where we as a nation of blind and visually impaired >> people make a stand and a change for the better. >> >> lew >> >> On 26 Mar 2012, at 10:22, Eric Oyen wrote: >> >>> I really wish there was a financing program for the blind when it comes to >>> mac hardware (laptops, desktops, iPad, iPhone). given that I (and a great >>> many others) am living on a disability income (more than 85% of the blind >>> in the US are), I find it nearly impossible to save up for any equipment. >>> Hell, I had to make my own Hackintosh and load it with a store purchased >>> copy of snow leopard. It cost me $30
Re: iPad, iPhone, Mac for the blind
I understand this. the question I have to ask here is: has there been even a single blind person serving in congress? I know of several who were partially deaf, at least one who had to use canes/crutches or a wheel chair. so far, my attempt has yielded a lot of irrelevant results and 2 browser crashes do to sites that run flash ads. as far as I can tell, I don't think we have had 1 single blind person ever serve in congress. not a single one. that needs to change. -eric On Mar 26, 2012, at 4:00 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Hi, > > The problem with what you say is, its not just blind people fighting for that > assistance. You have those with develop mental disabilities, emotional > disorders, motor disabilities, and the list goes on. And they all want there > share of the pie. So the same congressman you have wear a blind fold for a > year, will also be asked to sit in a wheel chair for a year. Wear ear pluges > for a year, etc. > > Ricardo Walker > rica...@appletothecore.info > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > > On Mar 26, 2012, at 6:53 AM, Eric Oyen wrote: > >> at least you had stuff to sell. I don't even have that. I would get about >> $100 for this machine on the used market. the linux laptop even less. I own >> very little, so having capital to work with just isn't happening. >> >> I, too, have run into the bureaucratic quagmire of dealing with various >> charities just to get assistance on some critical needs (medications, etc). >> I would like very much to meet the lawyers that made this situation and have >> them wear a blindfold for 1 year (you cannot take it off for anything). have >> all the members of congress setup this way, all the upper management of the >> US Government and all the lawyers for all the charities. 1 year of blindness >> and there would certainly be a boatload of changes for the better (such as >> public education, better accessibility, better job training and a vastly >> more streamlined system of getting things done. >> >> I would congress read the 70,000 pages of regulations currently on the >> books... IN BRAILLE. I think even reading the entire text of the affordable >> care act in braille would scare the whole lot of them off the hill. >> >> hehe nice pipedream but it gives you an idea of just how much frustration I >> go through EVERY DAY. >> >> -eric >> >> On Mar 26, 2012, at 2:39 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote: >> >>> Hi Eric, >>> >>> yep I completely agree with you and understand your plite. >>> >>> I was forced to close down the project due to two major factors. Lack of >>> support regarding supply of equipment and a poorly run charities commission >>> stating different rulings and then telling me that my project does not >>> warrant Commission status, thus failing to grant registered numbers, etc. >>> >>> This project has helped a very small number of users (8 in all) and it's >>> left me in a very serious situation which I've now resolved. >>> >>> The problem also exists wherever you are in the world. Funding for >>> accessible equipment for the blind is non existant. Why? well from my years >>> of experience in this matter, various charities set up conflicting >>> guidelines and rulings which do not help the individual in need of the >>> support. For over 12 years since I lost my sight completely, I had to apply >>> for various grants. within 10 years, every grant (500+ in total) were >>> rejected, all because of different factors by their own rulings, offerings >>> of £100 to £250 towards a product and then not being able to apply to X >>> amount of other charities (connected to the associated charity in question) >>> due to ridiculous clauses. >>> >>> I use my iphone 3GS and macbook pro. the only reason I have these is >>> through having to sell everything I owned including my old music gear from >>> years ago to raise the funds for the kit needed, from there it's been a >>> thing of taking on a few projects to raise cash for equipment I still have >>> to rely on. >>> >>> internationally, we need to change the system and yes APPLE needs to help >>> us out on this. They have developed products which openly and directly >>> support blind and disabled users and yet we have to pay an absolute >>> premium, as rightly said here, over 85% of blind people in the USA are out >>> of work and cannot afford the equipment and services needed, the same here >>> in the UK even though disability living allowance and other components >>> aren't enough to cover costs of equipment. You're lucky if you get into a >>> university to receive grants for equipment you need. In my case, through my >>> education, the equipment I had to use failed me all the time, the wrong >>> software, wrong hardware and operating systems which by their own admission >>> were poorly managed and had huge issues. hence me taking on the matters in >>> person and resolving them. a battle I don't want to entertain ever ag
Re: iPad, iPhone, Mac for the blind
Yes, Matthew A. Dunn Congressman from PA 1933-41 On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 1:32 AM, Eric Oyen wrote: > I understand this. > > the question I have to ask here is: > has there been even a single blind person serving in congress? > I know of several who were partially deaf, at least one who had to use > canes/crutches or a wheel chair. > > so far, my attempt has yielded a lot of irrelevant results and 2 browser > crashes do to sites that run flash ads. as far as I can tell, I don't think > we have had 1 single blind person ever serve in congress. not a single one. > that needs to change. > > -eric > > On Mar 26, 2012, at 4:00 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > The problem with what you say is, its not just blind people fighting for > that assistance. You have those with develop mental disabilities, > emotional disorders, motor disabilities, and the list goes on. And they > all want there share of the pie. So the same congressman you have wear a > blind fold for a year, will also be asked to sit in a wheel chair for a > year. Wear ear pluges for a year, etc. > > > > Ricardo Walker > > rica...@appletothecore.info > > Twitter:@apple2thecore > > www.appletothecore.info > > > > On Mar 26, 2012, at 6:53 AM, Eric Oyen wrote: > > > >> at least you had stuff to sell. I don't even have that. I would get > about $100 for this machine on the used market. the linux laptop even less. > I own very little, so having capital to work with just isn't happening. > >> > >> I, too, have run into the bureaucratic quagmire of dealing with various > charities just to get assistance on some critical needs (medications, etc). > I would like very much to meet the lawyers that made this situation and > have them wear a blindfold for 1 year (you cannot take it off for > anything). have all the members of congress setup this way, all the upper > management of the US Government and all the lawyers for all the charities. > 1 year of blindness and there would certainly be a boatload of changes for > the better (such as public education, better accessibility, better job > training and a vastly more streamlined system of getting things done. > >> > >> I would congress read the 70,000 pages of regulations currently on the > books... IN BRAILLE. I think even reading the entire text of the affordable > care act in braille would scare the whole lot of them off the hill. > >> > >> hehe nice pipedream but it gives you an idea of just how much > frustration I go through EVERY DAY. > >> > >> -eric > >> > >> On Mar 26, 2012, at 2:39 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Eric, > >>> > >>> yep I completely agree with you and understand your plite. > >>> > >>> I was forced to close down the project due to two major factors. Lack > of support regarding supply of equipment and a poorly run charities > commission stating different rulings and then telling me that my project > does not warrant Commission status, thus failing to grant registered > numbers, etc. > >>> > >>> This project has helped a very small number of users (8 in all) and > it's left me in a very serious situation which I've now resolved. > >>> > >>> The problem also exists wherever you are in the world. Funding for > accessible equipment for the blind is non existant. Why? well from my years > of experience in this matter, various charities set up conflicting > guidelines and rulings which do not help the individual in need of the > support. For over 12 years since I lost my sight completely, I had to apply > for various grants. within 10 years, every grant (500+ in total) were > rejected, all because of different factors by their own rulings, offerings > of £100 to £250 towards a product and then not being able to apply to X > amount of other charities (connected to the associated charity in question) > due to ridiculous clauses. > >>> > >>> I use my iphone 3GS and macbook pro. the only reason I have these is > through having to sell everything I owned including my old music gear from > years ago to raise the funds for the kit needed, from there it's been a > thing of taking on a few projects to raise cash for equipment I still have > to rely on. > >>> > >>> internationally, we need to change the system and yes APPLE needs to > help us out on this. They have developed products which openly and directly > support blind and disabled users and yet we have to pay an absolute > premium, as rightly said here, over 85% of blind people in the USA are out > of work and cannot afford the equipment and services needed, the same here > in the UK even though disability living allowance and other components > aren't enough to cover costs of equipment. You're lucky if you get into a > university to receive grants for equipment you need. In my case, through my > education, the equipment I had to use failed me all the time, the wrong > software, wrong hardware and operating systems which by their own admission > were poorly managed and had huge issues. hence me taking on the matters in > p
Re: iPad, iPhone, Mac for the blind
second reply. understand that all the other groups want in on this. some of them actually have more resources they can draw on that we do not have. I tried to petition the state here to allow me to continue my computer skills training with a mac and was told they won't support that, even though a number of fortune 500 companies use macs in house as their platform of choice (EbAY, Yelp, and a few others). I have also been told that the contracts the state has with freedom scientific precludes them from getting hardware/software from any other vendor. so? this means I am being forced to start training on a system that has some huge issues, doesn't work well and generally gets crappier with each release. anyone try calling FS lately? half their calls are routed to Mumbai, India. Don't even have me go into all the problems that windows has (I am well experienced with windows and its design flaws). I want a system that is stable and "just works" and macs are as close to that as anyone can ever get. all the downtime paid for by the state for windows issues represents a non-trivial expenditure every year. last I checked with a IT friend of mine in eBAY, their downtime with the mac hardware was only about 2 days out of the entire year. hell, the windows VM's failed far more often. so here we are. I want something that will pay for itself in taxpayer savings and less downtime and they want to justify their useless jobs. guess I am getting punchy. haven't slept in 3 days. -eric On Mar 26, 2012, at 4:00 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Hi, > > The problem with what you say is, its not just blind people fighting for that > assistance. You have those with develop mental disabilities, emotional > disorders, motor disabilities, and the list goes on. And they all want there > share of the pie. So the same congressman you have wear a blind fold for a > year, will also be asked to sit in a wheel chair for a year. Wear ear pluges > for a year, etc. > > Ricardo Walker > rica...@appletothecore.info > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > > On Mar 26, 2012, at 6:53 AM, Eric Oyen wrote: > >> at least you had stuff to sell. I don't even have that. I would get about >> $100 for this machine on the used market. the linux laptop even less. I own >> very little, so having capital to work with just isn't happening. >> >> I, too, have run into the bureaucratic quagmire of dealing with various >> charities just to get assistance on some critical needs (medications, etc). >> I would like very much to meet the lawyers that made this situation and have >> them wear a blindfold for 1 year (you cannot take it off for anything). have >> all the members of congress setup this way, all the upper management of the >> US Government and all the lawyers for all the charities. 1 year of blindness >> and there would certainly be a boatload of changes for the better (such as >> public education, better accessibility, better job training and a vastly >> more streamlined system of getting things done. >> >> I would congress read the 70,000 pages of regulations currently on the >> books... IN BRAILLE. I think even reading the entire text of the affordable >> care act in braille would scare the whole lot of them off the hill. >> >> hehe nice pipedream but it gives you an idea of just how much frustration I >> go through EVERY DAY. >> >> -eric >> >> On Mar 26, 2012, at 2:39 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote: >> >>> Hi Eric, >>> >>> yep I completely agree with you and understand your plite. >>> >>> I was forced to close down the project due to two major factors. Lack of >>> support regarding supply of equipment and a poorly run charities commission >>> stating different rulings and then telling me that my project does not >>> warrant Commission status, thus failing to grant registered numbers, etc. >>> >>> This project has helped a very small number of users (8 in all) and it's >>> left me in a very serious situation which I've now resolved. >>> >>> The problem also exists wherever you are in the world. Funding for >>> accessible equipment for the blind is non existant. Why? well from my years >>> of experience in this matter, various charities set up conflicting >>> guidelines and rulings which do not help the individual in need of the >>> support. For over 12 years since I lost my sight completely, I had to apply >>> for various grants. within 10 years, every grant (500+ in total) were >>> rejected, all because of different factors by their own rulings, offerings >>> of £100 to £250 towards a product and then not being able to apply to X >>> amount of other charities (connected to the associated charity in question) >>> due to ridiculous clauses. >>> >>> I use my iphone 3GS and macbook pro. the only reason I have these is >>> through having to sell everything I owned including my old music gear from >>> years ago to raise the funds for the kit needed, from there it's been a >>
Navigon not giving turn by turn directions
This is getting frustrating. I don't know what I did but navigon won't give turn by turn directions. I checked the default voice and it is on TTS. Also I am getting tired of selecting 1message at a time to delete from my all mail folder where by deleted messages go. I tried to change that setting too but the only box it will let me delete to is that one Any help would be very much appreciated. Jenny and my goofy guide Brooks On Mar 26, 2012, at 1:18 AM, Eric Oyen wrote: > I would have asked a bit more abruptly than he did. the problem I have is > that I do not know if the NFB, ACB or any of the other blindness ors even > support or oppose litigation against the AAG (American Author's Guild). I am > an NFB member and if litigation is the tool to use, then I would use it. > > one of the things we need to establish is: > 1. who owns the AAG > 2. who funds it > 3. who manages it. > > question #2 is the important one as the money they get is the key to > answering 1 & 3. follow the money and you find out who is behind the > organization. Now I realize that the NFB does market their own gadgets, but, > they also need to allow other technologies to compete. this is the way of the > market. competition fosters innovation. an accessible kindle device/app and > books would force them to innovate to make something better. right now, the > market is being artificially limited by a confluence of ignorance, financial > barriers to entry and simple fear. > > they say knowledge is power, and so is information. since we are being > restricted from gaining information, we need to forcefully acquire it. one > way is to vote with our wallets. failing that, litigation is the second > route. protests and the court of public opinion can also work but have been > increasingly ineffective given the dirty of news on everything else of late. > > I know! lets pull a page right out of the progressive playbook. start an > occupy movement in front of the American Author's Guild and any of the > publishing houses in NYC. I know the last protest lasted a single day. what > we need is a multiday event. at the end of business each day, we go to our > hotels, homes or other living quarters and then show up bright and early the > next day. if we are persistent enough, they will get the message and back > off. things like this do take time though. > > just some thoughts on how to get what we legally paid for (and cannot use). > > -eric > > On Mar 25, 2012, at 7:36 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> lol, >> >> Isn't this getting a bit out of hand? Your asking this 1 person to defend >> himself? IDK, either he's telling the truth, or he's not, either way, what >> does it change? Sounds like your trying to put the guy up on perjury >> charges. lol. Documentary evidence? come on. >> >> JMO. >> >> Ricardo Walker >> rica...@appletothecore.info >> Twitter:@apple2thecore >> www.appletothecore.info >> >> On Mar 25, 2012, at 6:30 PM, Sean Murphy wrote: >> >>> Hi Ray, >>> >>> If the NFB is a a posed to this. Then what supporting documentation do you >>> have to support this and what actually are they doing to try and resolve >>> the issue. The issue also effects Braille readers from my understanding. >>> >>> since this issue is not new and has been around for years. I would have >>> expected a more proactive approach to the whole issue. But nothing has >>> changed. Can this be done via the ADA? >>> >>> Another question, can this be enforced in other countries? >>> >>> Sean >>> >>> On 25/03/2012, at 10:11 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >>> In defense of the NFB, we do in fact oppose the Author's guild in this matter. any implication otherwise is simply in error. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Mar 24, 2012, at 5:33 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: > not sure what they are, or are not, doing. I am thinking that they may > think the case may be hard to win. personally, it may be about the cost > the lawyers are going to extract before any monies get paid to the > recipients of the class. > > anyway, I really hate to have to use the hammer of the law, but what else > can one do against a privately held LLC like the American Author's Guild. > > -eric > > On Mar 24, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Sean Murphy wrote: > >> Hi all. >> >> What is the NFB, ACB, and other organisations who support print disable >> people doing about this? >> >> They have the funds and expertise to challenge it in a class action. I >> >> In relation to the number of people who have been restricted from >> reading Ebooks via this method is larger then America. This effects any >> country that you can buy Amazon books. The DMR also effe
Re: Kindle App on iPhone
Hi guys Well, as for me, I think I'll do business with one company that I don't have to argue with. You know guys, the one that has iTunes. I can get all the books I'll ever want to read from iTunes, and I don't have to argue with them. Regards Gigi Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2012, at 7:49 PM, Adie wrote: > Hi all > > Well I am not in the US either and I can tell you that the BBC has > featured a piece on the American Authors' Guild and their dog in the > manger attitude to this. > > Some authors have been mentioned in the course of this discussion. Can > any of them be persuaded to speak out against this publicly? Can we > start a Twitter campaign? Unless we all suddenly win the Lottery, a > court case would be difficult and adverse publicity for these people > may be another way of approaching it. You have elections coming up in > the US, could any candidates be persuaded to speak out against this? > How about letters to the NYT and so forth? Does anyone know any > journalists who might take this up? > > I'm sure many of us outside the US would be happy to follow up in our > respective countries in any way we can. > > Do you know, I remember hearing of the Kindle and how many books would > be available through it and that it would make such a huge difference > to most of our lives overnight, I was literally, bouncing up and down > with excitement. Believe me, that doesn't happen very often. Seems to > me that the dashing of hopes is one of the cruellest things you can do > to people. Hope they sleep nights. > > Best > > Adrienne > > > > Karen Lewellen wrote: >> Esther, >> Two questions. >> Does the author's guild have statistical evidence that the average mac >> product user even knows that voiceover is there let alone that they would >> opt for this behavior? >> I might point out that audiobooks, commercial ones were not created for the >> vision challenged population, but for the general public, so the argument -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iPad, iPhone, Mac for the blind
ok. I couldn't get that far. something on the site that lists such things kept causing my browser to fail. please don't ask me to use another browser as none of the others work here reliably (if at all). so? was he the only one? it does seem rather odd that only one has served. again, I think it is time to change that (and not the kind of change that was promised to us in 2008). -eric On Mar 26, 2012, at 4:40 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote: > Yes, Matthew A. Dunn Congressman from PA 1933-41 > > > On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 1:32 AM, Eric Oyen wrote: > I understand this. > > the question I have to ask here is: > has there been even a single blind person serving in congress? > I know of several who were partially deaf, at least one who had to use > canes/crutches or a wheel chair. > > so far, my attempt has yielded a lot of irrelevant results and 2 browser > crashes do to sites that run flash ads. as far as I can tell, I don't think > we have had 1 single blind person ever serve in congress. not a single one. > that needs to change. > > -eric > > On Mar 26, 2012, at 4:00 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > The problem with what you say is, its not just blind people fighting for > > that assistance. You have those with develop mental disabilities, > > emotional disorders, motor disabilities, and the list goes on. And they > > all want there share of the pie. So the same congressman you have wear a > > blind fold for a year, will also be asked to sit in a wheel chair for a > > year. Wear ear pluges for a year, etc. > > > > Ricardo Walker > > rica...@appletothecore.info > > Twitter:@apple2thecore > > www.appletothecore.info > > > > On Mar 26, 2012, at 6:53 AM, Eric Oyen wrote: > > > >> at least you had stuff to sell. I don't even have that. I would get about > >> $100 for this machine on the used market. the linux laptop even less. I > >> own very little, so having capital to work with just isn't happening. > >> > >> I, too, have run into the bureaucratic quagmire of dealing with various > >> charities just to get assistance on some critical needs (medications, > >> etc). I would like very much to meet the lawyers that made this situation > >> and have them wear a blindfold for 1 year (you cannot take it off for > >> anything). have all the members of congress setup this way, all the upper > >> management of the US Government and all the lawyers for all the charities. > >> 1 year of blindness and there would certainly be a boatload of changes for > >> the better (such as public education, better accessibility, better job > >> training and a vastly more streamlined system of getting things done. > >> > >> I would congress read the 70,000 pages of regulations currently on the > >> books... IN BRAILLE. I think even reading the entire text of the > >> affordable care act in braille would scare the whole lot of them off the > >> hill. > >> > >> hehe nice pipedream but it gives you an idea of just how much frustration > >> I go through EVERY DAY. > >> > >> -eric > >> > >> On Mar 26, 2012, at 2:39 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Eric, > >>> > >>> yep I completely agree with you and understand your plite. > >>> > >>> I was forced to close down the project due to two major factors. Lack of > >>> support regarding supply of equipment and a poorly run charities > >>> commission stating different rulings and then telling me that my project > >>> does not warrant Commission status, thus failing to grant registered > >>> numbers, etc. > >>> > >>> This project has helped a very small number of users (8 in all) and it's > >>> left me in a very serious situation which I've now resolved. > >>> > >>> The problem also exists wherever you are in the world. Funding for > >>> accessible equipment for the blind is non existant. Why? well from my > >>> years of experience in this matter, various charities set up conflicting > >>> guidelines and rulings which do not help the individual in need of the > >>> support. For over 12 years since I lost my sight completely, I had to > >>> apply for various grants. within 10 years, every grant (500+ in total) > >>> were rejected, all because of different factors by their own rulings, > >>> offerings of £100 to £250 towards a product and then not being able to > >>> apply to X amount of other charities (connected to the associated charity > >>> in question) due to ridiculous clauses. > >>> > >>> I use my iphone 3GS and macbook pro. the only reason I have these is > >>> through having to sell everything I owned including my old music gear > >>> from years ago to raise the funds for the kit needed, from there it's > >>> been a thing of taking on a few projects to raise cash for equipment I > >>> still have to rely on. > >>> > >>> internationally, we need to change the system and yes APPLE needs to help > >>> us out on this. They have developed products which openly and directly > >>> support blind and disabled users and yet we
Re: a guide on pages
Hello Luke, There is no guide on how to use Pages from a VO perspective. My husband and I have put together a course on Pages which we offer via Skype so that we can use screen sharing. The course costs €25 per unit and there are 5 units. Not everyone wants all the units, it all depends on what people need to do with Pages. In any case, you need a thorough knowledge of VO to cope with Pages as it is somewhat idiocyncratic. Cheers, Anne On 26 Mar 2012, at 12:40, Luke Henson wrote: > Hey how is it all going? > > I have been useing VO, with a mac for about 4 months now and really need to > learn pages in a more effective way, I was wondering if anyone knew of a > overall guide on the bestway VO can use pages > Any help at all would be great > > > ThanksLuke > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Apple TV questions
Hello listers, I am here waiting for my Apple Tv to get here this mourning. Is there any things that I should know before I crack open the box and start setting it up? I can't remember what button to press, but wasn't there a way to turn on voiceover at start up? And how is Airplay used from iPad to Apple Tv? Thanks, Ed -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Apple TV questions
Hi Ed, Unfortunately, the way they claim to turn on VoiceOver never worked for me. I had to have someone help me turn it on, even though it specifically said I could do it by pressing the play/Pause button 3 times quickly. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ed Worrell Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 8:45 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Apple TV questions Hello listers, I am here waiting for my Apple Tv to get here this mourning. Is there any things that I should know before I crack open the box and start setting it up? I can't remember what button to press, but wasn't there a way to turn on voiceover at start up? And how is Airplay used from iPad to Apple Tv? Thanks, Ed -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iPad, iPhone, Mac for the blind
Eric, Honestly I hear you, but I just do not agree. There are people out there who have other disabilities or have no disabilities at all and have the same issues as you. My point is Apple nor any company should be expected to subsidize anything for anyone and I am including myself. There are companies like Gizelle that takes older equipment and resells it. A lot of times you can get a very good deal on a machine. There are also other companies that do something similar. So, there are sources available, but I just see no reason for APple regardless of how much money they have to get into the business of providing machines at a reduced price for someone with a disability. I think your number exercise is leaving out the larger community of people with disabilities. YOu start adding in all the different types of disabilities you will see the cost would go up substantially. You know nothing is easy and we all have to work with what we have available to us. I never said it would be easy or seem fair, but if you have food to eat and a place to live I think you have the basic needs met. This whole idea of redistributing the wealth of companies and individuals is unreasonable and counterproductive, and that is what you are advocating. I think the fact that APple does not charge for VoiceOver is a considerable advantage because hey you aren't buying a $500 computer and tacking another chunk of change on top just to get a usable screen reader. I think that counts for something. :) On Mar 26, 2012, at 6:41 AM, Eric Oyen wrote: > I realize this. the problem is that there is absolutely no possibility that I > will ever be able to save up for one. I get $718 a month and between the > rent, food and cell phone, I have nothing left. I actually have to borrow > money each month just to pay the medications co-pay (that leaves me about $30 > in the hole each month). > > this computer and 1 handheld radio are about the only things I own outright > (and the computer is about 4 years old). > > now, if I were employed, I wouldn't even have these problems. I would be > living in a slightly nicer place (outside of gang territory), paying my > taxes, having real health insurance, and buying real food (not the cheap crap > chock full of chemistry and virtually no food value). > > you are right, too, that apple doesn't HAVE TO reduce their prices. they > could garner an even bigger share of the laptop and desktop markets if they > did. they don't HAVE TO offer some discounts to those who are disabled, but > they could and it wouldn't hurt their bottom line at all. > Yes, I could save up only IF I were able to. hell, the internet I had to beg > from a neighbor on a wireless node. > > so yeah, I have a lot on my plate that wouldn't be there otherwise. call me > frustrated. I am stuck on a waiting list to get a hearing aid for my left > ear. that has delayed my training program and continues to delay any > possibility of becoming employed. so, unless something moves here, I take > whatever I can get, where ever I can get it. > > > > here is a number crunching exercise for you. > > there are an estimated 25 million blind or visually impaired people in the > US. if Apple where to *GIVE* each of us 1 fully equipped mac mini, it would > cost less than $2.5 Billion and they would still make a profit on the deal in > good publicity alone. that would still leave them with $113 Billion IN CASH > laying around doing nothing. > > with that cash, Apple could buy ALL of hollywood (warner brothers, disney, > universal studios, ILM and others) plus purchase 2 of the big cable companies > plus purchase blockbuster and netflix and still have enough left over to buy > all of AT&T. After all of that, they would still have enough cash laying > around to make the profits of BP Oil look like loose change. They could buy > all of wal*mart and only start to break a sweat. > > at the end of all this, Apple would be the worlds largest corporation with > revenues exceeding the GNP of nearly 40 countries combined and rebuild all > that spent cash in less than 5 years. > > Now, considering I am a trained accountant with a business administration > background (courtesy of Glendale Community college) and I requested the > balance sheets on a number of corporations to see what was really happening > to our economy. the scenario above would be entirely possible if the US > Government had no RICO Laws. Just the assets that such a monster I have > described above would exceed the net worth of nearly all of Europe and some > of south America. I know that sounds highly ludicrous but that is what $113 > Billion IN CASH could do properly invested. at that level, the interest being > earned would start to earn its own interest in very short order. > > so yeah, it looks ridiculous, but that is the scale I am talking about here. > giving away 25 million mac minis wouldn't even put a dent in that and I
Re: Apple TV questions
Hi Ed, I can help you some. First off make sure you have a HDMI cable already because it doesn't come with one, and this is the only way to hook it to your tv or reciever. As far as starting VO from start up I am not sure I used my wife to turn it on for me, but i recall someone saying to tripple click the play/pause button which is the button all the way on the bottom right on your remote. If that doesn;t work and you don't have sighted assistance I can walk you threw it on the phone or something. using airplay is very simple to do, I haven't used it on the Ipad but I have on my Iphone and I think its the same. First you need to get your apple TV all set up and running on the same network as your Ipad etc. once that is all set up there are 2 ways to turn on airplay . Frist is to double click your home button on the Ipad to bring up app switcher and do a 3 finger swipe to the right to get to the first page of the ap switcher then scroll down the page untill it says airplay and select it. It then will bring up a list of airplay devices on your network, since you only have the apple tv that will be the only option besides the ipad itself . scroll to the apple tv and select it and your connected to your apple tv, once you select the apple tv you will then be given the option to turn on airplay mirroring , you dont have to do this to play music and other content on your apple tv. you only want to do this if you want to view your whole Ipad display on your tv . So once you turn airplay on on your Ipad whenever you play any music or media on your Ipad it will play threw your apple tv and not threw your Ipad untill you switch it back to Ipad . The second way to do airplay which is a little better if your doing something and want to quickly play something on your apple tv. all you have to do is start playing the music or movies etc on your Ipad and where the controls are for play/pause, forward and rewind are there will be a airplay button, just select it and it will bring up the devices list and select your apple tv and it will start playing threw your tv. This works on some 3rd party apps like pandora and utube as well. I also forgot to mention that there is nothing to be done to the apple tv to do airplay it just has to be turned on as well as the acctual tv and running the apple tv , thats it. So play around with it when you get it and let me know if you need any help . Jason On Mar 26, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Ed Worrell wrote: > Hello listers, I am here waiting for my Apple Tv to get here this mourning. > Is there any things that I should know before I crack open the box and start > setting it up? > I can't remember what button to press, but wasn't there a way to turn on > voiceover at start up? > > And how is Airplay used from iPad to Apple Tv? > Thanks, Ed > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: OT wiping a shuffle
Hello. Go to Itunes, and restore the player to its default settings. Then, do not enable the accessibility options. Nektarios. On Mar 24, 2012, at 6:20 PM, Kirsten Edmondson wrote: > Hi all, slightly off topic. I need to reset my iPod shuffle and switch off vo > so I can pass it onto someone else. How do I go about it? > Thanks > Kirsten > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: copying a wedding dvd
Is this a video DVD or is it just files on a data DVD? If it's just files then you can copy them like any other files. If it's video then it's a little more work as the copy has to be formatted as a DVD with everything just so. CB On 3/24/12 8:30 AM, wayne coles wrote: Hello all because this is my first time at trying this can somebody please give me step by step instructions on how to copy the dvd wich is only pictures of the wedding but as a newbe I am not sure on how to do it so thanks in advance for any help -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Apple TV questions
Hi, It only works at the setup time or if you were to restore it. As long as the ATV is connected to your TV or Stereo with the volume turned up to an appropriate level, the ATV will say "English" when it is ready for you to move forward with VO on. At this point, simply press the Play button, lower right, three times. Don't press it too fast or too slow, then VO will come on just fine. If you press the Select button, center of the circle, the setup will move on without VO and you'll have to either unplug the ATV and start over or get sighted assistance as the triple-click will no longer work after this point. HTH. Later... On 2012-03-26, at 8:02 AM, Daniel Miller wrote: > Hi Ed, > > Unfortunately, the way they claim to turn on VoiceOver never worked for me. > I had to have someone help me turn it on, even though it specifically said I > could do it by pressing the play/Pause button 3 times quickly. > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ed Worrell > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 8:45 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Apple TV questions > > Hello listers, I am here waiting for my Apple Tv to get here this mourning. > Is there any things that I should know before I crack open the box and start > setting it up? > I can't remember what button to press, but wasn't there a way to turn on > voiceover at start up? > > And how is Airplay used from iPad to Apple Tv? > Thanks, Ed > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
iMac Questions
I'm in the process of setting up our iMac. I still run our PC and it is connected to our router. With the Mac, I often need to re-start our system in order to get on the Internet. It works for a while, and then I cannot connect to a page when launching Safari. An Apple rep told me to go into Java Preferences and check the applets and update my Java software which I did, but the problem persists. Also, when I start the Mac, VO doesn't start talking until I Command Tab to the Finder. Any suggestions on how to resolve these two issues? I'm running the latest version of Lion, and all system software was updated when I initially started our iMac. Thanks for any assistance. Les -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Apple TV questions
Is there any way to mute the Apple TV while playing music? It is very annoying to have it announced every song. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 26, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: > Hi, > > It only works at the setup time or if you were to restore it. As long as the > ATV is connected to your TV or Stereo with the volume turned up to an > appropriate level, the ATV will say "English" when it is ready for you to > move forward with VO on. At this point, simply press the Play button, lower > right, three times. Don't press it too fast or too slow, then VO will come > on just fine. If you press the Select button, center of the circle, the > setup will move on without VO and you'll have to either unplug the ATV and > start over or get sighted assistance as the triple-click will no longer work > after this point. > > HTH. > > Later... > > On 2012-03-26, at 8:02 AM, Daniel Miller wrote: > >> Hi Ed, >> >> Unfortunately, the way they claim to turn on VoiceOver never worked for me. >> I had to have someone help me turn it on, even though it specifically said I >> could do it by pressing the play/Pause button 3 times quickly. >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ed Worrell >> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 8:45 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Apple TV questions >> >> Hello listers, I am here waiting for my Apple Tv to get here this mourning. >> Is there any things that I should know before I crack open the box and start >> setting it up? >> I can't remember what button to press, but wasn't there a way to turn on >> voiceover at start up? >> >> And how is Airplay used from iPad to Apple Tv? >> Thanks, Ed >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: copying a wedding dvd
Hello chris it is just pictures on a disc but I have know idea On what to do so any help would be great so step by step instructions would help so much as I am a newbe to the mac and wish to learn so is it just selecting all the pictures and then pasting them where I don't know so thanks in advance wayne -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch Sent: 26 March 2012 11:38 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: copying a wedding dvd Is this a video DVD or is it just files on a data DVD? If it's just files then you can copy them like any other files. If it's video then it's a little more work as the copy has to be formatted as a DVD with everything just so. CB On 3/24/12 8:30 AM, wayne coles wrote: > Hello all because this is my first time at trying this can somebody please > give me step by step instructions on how to copy the dvd wich is only > pictures of the wedding but as a newbe I am not sure on how to do it so > thanks in advance for any help > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iMac Questions
What type of router are you using? I used to have this kind of issue when I was using a D Link router with my Mac. As for the second issue, I have seen this behavior on my Mac Book Pro during some boot ups. I'm wondering if there is a preference file that needs to be replaced or something of that nature. I haven't had the time to really dig and experiment though. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com On Mar 26, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: > I'm in the process of setting up our iMac. I still run our PC and it is > connected to our router. With the Mac, I often need to re-start our system > in order to get on the Internet. It works for a while, and then I cannot > connect to a page when launching Safari. An Apple rep told me to go into > Java Preferences and check the applets and update my Java software which I > did, but the problem persists. Also, when I start the Mac, VO doesn't start > talking until I Command Tab to the Finder. Any suggestions on how to resolve > these two issues? I'm running the latest version of Lion, and all system > software was updated when I initially started our iMac. Thanks for any > assistance. > > Les > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Wifi sync issues
Hi Rick, If I restart my wifi network then as a rule I can see at least two of my Idevices in the source list of Itunes. Otherwise to transfer podcasts or music I have to hard wire the Idevice to my Macbook Pro. This has only just started to happen since upgrading to the latest v of Itunes. Kind regards Graham -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Apple TV questions
Hi, Unfortunately, there's no way to mute VO. And as for the issue of starting VO during setup, I could never get that to work for me. Perhaps I was pressing the wrong button? Maybe I'll restore mine just for grins to test that. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marlaina Lieberg Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 12:22 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Cc: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple TV questions Is there any way to mute the Apple TV while playing music? It is very annoying to have it announced every song. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 26, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: > Hi, > > It only works at the setup time or if you were to restore it. As long as the ATV is connected to your TV or Stereo with the volume turned up to an appropriate level, the ATV will say "English" when it is ready for you to move forward with VO on. At this point, simply press the Play button, lower right, three times. Don't press it too fast or too slow, then VO will come on just fine. If you press the Select button, center of the circle, the setup will move on without VO and you'll have to either unplug the ATV and start over or get sighted assistance as the triple-click will no longer work after this point. > > HTH. > > Later... > > On 2012-03-26, at 8:02 AM, Daniel Miller wrote: > >> Hi Ed, >> >> Unfortunately, the way they claim to turn on VoiceOver never worked for me. >> I had to have someone help me turn it on, even though it specifically >> said I could do it by pressing the play/Pause button 3 times quickly. >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ed Worrell >> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 8:45 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Apple TV questions >> >> Hello listers, I am here waiting for my Apple Tv to get here this mourning. >> Is there any things that I should know before I crack open the box >> and start setting it up? >> I can't remember what button to press, but wasn't there a way to turn >> on voiceover at start up? >> >> And how is Airplay used from iPad to Apple Tv? >> Thanks, Ed >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Terminal Commands For Hiding and Showing Files?
Hi, all, I don't remember how I enabled this, but all my hidden files are showing in Finder. I'd like to hide them again, with the exception of the root and user libraries. How can I do this, either with Finder or in Terminal? I'm only a beginning Terminal user, so be gentle, please. :) Thanks, Teresa "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. Feynman -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iMac Questions
Hi John, I have a Netgear Router. I'll contact Apple again and see what they say. I can reproduce VO not talking every time I start up the Mac until I bring focus to the Finder. Thanks for the assist. Les On Mar 26, 2012, at 1:47 PM, John Panarese wrote: > What type of router are you using? I used to have this kind of issue > when I was using a D Link router with my Mac. > > As for the second issue, I have seen this behavior on my Mac Book Pro > during some boot ups. I'm wondering if there is a preference file that needs > to be replaced or something of that nature. I haven't had the time to really > dig and experiment though. > > Take Care > > John Panarese > jpanar...@gmail.com > > > > On Mar 26, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: > >> I'm in the process of setting up our iMac. I still run our PC and it is >> connected to our router. With the Mac, I often need to re-start our system >> in order to get on the Internet. It works for a while, and then I cannot >> connect to a page when launching Safari. An Apple rep told me to go into >> Java Preferences and check the applets and update my Java software which I >> did, but the problem persists. Also, when I start the Mac, VO doesn't start >> talking until I Command Tab to the Finder. Any suggestions on how to >> resolve these two issues? I'm running the latest version of Lion, and all >> system software was updated when I initially started our iMac. Thanks for >> any assistance. >> >> Les >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iMac Questions
This issue sounds all too familiar. the best resolution is this. you need to do a clean reinstall of OS X and it's applications. I came across this when I first took on my current macbook pro where a software glitch had occured. so, from my experience with system resets, I completely formatted and reinstalled from scratch, resolving the bug in question which doesn't exactly tie in with your fault but has similar issues. problem resolved and I managed to tailor the OS install how I wanted it (10.6) I always encourage anyone who has an issue like this out of the box to perform a system rebuild as every now and again at the factory, an installation may generate a flaw and expose itself or something else. so a good bit of advice if you're competent is to re-install the OS and apps. lew On 26 Mar 2012, at 20:36, Les Kriegler wrote: > Hi John, > > I have a Netgear Router. I'll contact Apple again and see what they say. I > can reproduce VO not talking every time I start up the Mac until I bring > focus to the Finder. Thanks for the assist. > > Les > On Mar 26, 2012, at 1:47 PM, John Panarese wrote: > >> What type of router are you using? I used to have this kind of issue >> when I was using a D Link router with my Mac. >> >>As for the second issue, I have seen this behavior on my Mac Book Pro >> during some boot ups. I'm wondering if there is a preference file that >> needs to be replaced or something of that nature. I haven't had the time to >> really dig and experiment though. >> >> Take Care >> >> John Panarese >> jpanar...@gmail.com >> >> >> >> On Mar 26, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: >> >>> I'm in the process of setting up our iMac. I still run our PC and it is >>> connected to our router. With the Mac, I often need to re-start our system >>> in order to get on the Internet. It works for a while, and then I cannot >>> connect to a page when launching Safari. An Apple rep told me to go into >>> Java Preferences and check the applets and update my Java software which I >>> did, but the problem persists. Also, when I start the Mac, VO doesn't >>> start talking until I Command Tab to the Finder. Any suggestions on how to >>> resolve these two issues? I'm running the latest version of Lion, and all >>> system software was updated when I initially started our iMac. Thanks for >>> any assistance. >>> >>> Les >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iMac Questions
I know I had a DLink DIR-628 router that would drop the connection about every 10 minutes for no apparent reason. Then about a minute later it would come back. I eventually gave up on it and bought an Apple Airport Extreme. Haven't had issues since. CB On 3/26/12 3:36 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: Hi John, I have a Netgear Router. I'll contact Apple again and see what they say. I can reproduce VO not talking every time I start up the Mac until I bring focus to the Finder. Thanks for the assist. Les On Mar 26, 2012, at 1:47 PM, John Panarese wrote: What type of router are you using? I used to have this kind of issue when I was using a D Link router with my Mac. As for the second issue, I have seen this behavior on my Mac Book Pro during some boot ups. I'm wondering if there is a preference file that needs to be replaced or something of that nature. I haven't had the time to really dig and experiment though. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com On Mar 26, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: I'm in the process of setting up our iMac. I still run our PC and it is connected to our router. With the Mac, I often need to re-start our system in order to get on the Internet. It works for a while, and then I cannot connect to a page when launching Safari. An Apple rep told me to go into Java Preferences and check the applets and update my Java software which I did, but the problem persists. Also, when I start the Mac, VO doesn't start talking until I Command Tab to the Finder. Any suggestions on how to resolve these two issues? I'm running the latest version of Lion, and all system software was updated when I initially started our iMac. Thanks for any assistance. Les -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Pausing a YouTube video
If you're watching youTube with html5, you need to navigate to the video element controller. Interact with it, and you'll see all the buttons you need, VO-spacebar on the pause button. Alternatively, I go to the top of the page then search for what I want. For me, it is usually full, because I want the full screen button. HTH, Traci Sent by Macbook Air Mail On Mar 25, 2012, at 2:56 PM, Rahul Bajaj wrote: > Oh, I forgot to mention that. > I'm using a MacBook. > > On 26/03/2012, Jasonlefevers.massage wrote: >> What device r u watching them on? >> >> Jason LeFevers >> State of Maryland Registered massage practitioner >> Call 443-570-8660 or email jasonlefevers.mass...@gmail.com to schedule a >> massage today! >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Mar 25, 2012, at 5:33 PM, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Is there any way of pausing a YouTube video? >>> The video takes a long time to get loaded and there are many >>> interruptions, so I thought that it would be a good option to pause the >>> video until it gets fully loaded. >>> So, please help me if you can. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Rahul >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: copying a wedding dvd
Well, if it's just pictures and not video you can create a new folder on your hard drive, open up the DVD, do a select-all (Command-A), copy (command-c), navigate to your new folder, then paste (command-v). That should copy everything from the DVD to your hard drive. Then you can reverse the process for the new DVD. CB On 3/26/12 1:21 PM, wayne coles wrote: Hello chris it is just pictures on a disc but I have know idea On what to do so any help would be great so step by step instructions would help so much as I am a newbe to the mac and wish to learn so is it just selecting all the pictures and then pasting them where I don't know so thanks in advance wayne -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch Sent: 26 March 2012 11:38 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: copying a wedding dvd Is this a video DVD or is it just files on a data DVD? If it's just files then you can copy them like any other files. If it's video then it's a little more work as the copy has to be formatted as a DVD with everything just so. CB On 3/24/12 8:30 AM, wayne coles wrote: Hello all because this is my first time at trying this can somebody please give me step by step instructions on how to copy the dvd wich is only pictures of the wedding but as a newbe I am not sure on how to do it so thanks in advance for any help -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: copying a wedding dvd
why don't you just create an ISO file of the DVD? a very simple process using an app called Burn. search for Burn for mac and it's a freeware opensource app which voiceover seems fine with. when you run it, have the DVD mounted and then create an ISO file or DMG file. after it's done, stick in a blank DVD and burn the ISO or DMG from within the app. simple as that. no need to copy directory structures, event functions, etc. just a simple app to do a simple job. lew On 26 Mar 2012, at 21:04, Chris Blouch wrote: > Well, if it's just pictures and not video you can create a new folder on your > hard drive, open up the DVD, do a select-all (Command-A), copy (command-c), > navigate to your new folder, then paste (command-v). That should copy > everything from the DVD to your hard drive. Then you can reverse the process > for the new DVD. > > CB > > On 3/26/12 1:21 PM, wayne coles wrote: >> Hello chris it is just pictures on a disc but I have know >> idea >> On what to do so any help would be great so step by step instructions would >> help so much as I am a newbe to the mac and wish to learn so is it just >> selecting all the pictures and then pasting them where I don't know so >> thanks in advance wayne >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch >> Sent: 26 March 2012 11:38 >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: copying a wedding dvd >> >> Is this a video DVD or is it just files on a data DVD? If it's just >> files then you can copy them like any other files. If it's video then >> it's a little more work as the copy has to be formatted as a DVD with >> everything just so. >> >> CB >> >> On 3/24/12 8:30 AM, wayne coles wrote: >>> Hello all because this is my first time at trying this can somebody please >>> give me step by step instructions on how to copy the dvd wich is only >>> pictures of the wedding but as a newbe I am not sure on how to do it so >>> thanks in advance for any help >>> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Apple TV questions
hi, I tend to leave VO off the majority of the time and use the Remote app on my iPhone/iPad to control things. My family tends to get a little annoyed with the ATV talking all the time so I've just found it easier that way. When VO is off and I do wish to use the ATV itself, I've memorized the path to turn it on. It's fairly easy, in my opinion, just to the following: • Press and hold the menu button for six seconds or so to bring the ATV to the Main menu. (or press the menu button lots of times until it seems like it's at the Main menu). It should bonk at you if sounds are set up properly. • Press the right arrow until it bonks, which will put you on the Settings item. If yours doesn't bonk for some reason, just press it 7 or 8 times, that should get you there. • Press the Select button twice, not a double press, just two times separated by a teeny bit so it will react properly. This will put you in the General settings area. • Press your down arrow until it bonks, then press the up arrow four times. This will place you on the Accessibility item. • Press the Select button twice. Same idea as earlier, don't press them so fast that it is like a double-press, just press it two times. VO will now be on. HTH. Later... On 2012-03-26, at 1:05 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: > Hi, > > Unfortunately, there's no way to mute VO. And as for the issue of starting > VO during setup, I could never get that to work for me. Perhaps I was > pressing the wrong button? Maybe I'll restore mine just for grins to test > that. > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marlaina Lieberg > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 12:22 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Cc: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Apple TV questions > > Is there any way to mute the Apple TV while playing music? It is very > annoying to have it announced every song. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 26, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> It only works at the setup time or if you were to restore it. As long as > the ATV is connected to your TV or Stereo with the volume turned up to an > appropriate level, the ATV will say "English" when it is ready for you to > move forward with VO on. At this point, simply press the Play button, lower > right, three times. Don't press it too fast or too slow, then VO will come > on just fine. If you press the Select button, center of the circle, the > setup will move on without VO and you'll have to either unplug the ATV and > start over or get sighted assistance as the triple-click will no longer work > after this point. >> >> HTH. >> >> Later... >> >> On 2012-03-26, at 8:02 AM, Daniel Miller wrote: >> >>> Hi Ed, >>> >>> Unfortunately, the way they claim to turn on VoiceOver never worked for > me. >>> I had to have someone help me turn it on, even though it specifically >>> said I could do it by pressing the play/Pause button 3 times quickly. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ed Worrell >>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 8:45 AM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Apple TV questions >>> >>> Hello listers, I am here waiting for my Apple Tv to get here this > mourning. >>> Is there any things that I should know before I crack open the box >>> and start setting it up? >>> I can't remember what button to press, but wasn't there a way to turn >>> on voiceover at start up? >>> >>> And how is Airplay used from iPad to Apple Tv? >>> Thanks, Ed >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macv
Re: copying a wedding dvd
Yup, or you could do the same with the Apple Disk Utility which probably isn't as streamlined as Burn but comes with the computer. Generate an ISO and then use it to generate copies. Either way you need enough disk space to at least temporarily store the DVD's contents. CB On 3/26/12 4:09 PM, Lewis Alexander wrote: why don't you just create an ISO file of the DVD? a very simple process using an app called Burn. search for Burn for mac and it's a freeware opensource app which voiceover seems fine with. when you run it, have the DVD mounted and then create an ISO file or DMG file. after it's done, stick in a blank DVD and burn the ISO or DMG from within the app. simple as that. no need to copy directory structures, event functions, etc. just a simple app to do a simple job. lew On 26 Mar 2012, at 21:04, Chris Blouch wrote: Well, if it's just pictures and not video you can create a new folder on your hard drive, open up the DVD, do a select-all (Command-A), copy (command-c), navigate to your new folder, then paste (command-v). That should copy everything from the DVD to your hard drive. Then you can reverse the process for the new DVD. CB On 3/26/12 1:21 PM, wayne coles wrote: Hello chris it is just pictures on a disc but I have know idea On what to do so any help would be great so step by step instructions would help so much as I am a newbe to the mac and wish to learn so is it just selecting all the pictures and then pasting them where I don't know so thanks in advance wayne -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch Sent: 26 March 2012 11:38 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: copying a wedding dvd Is this a video DVD or is it just files on a data DVD? If it's just files then you can copy them like any other files. If it's video then it's a little more work as the copy has to be formatted as a DVD with everything just so. CB On 3/24/12 8:30 AM, wayne coles wrote: Hello all because this is my first time at trying this can somebody please give me step by step instructions on how to copy the dvd wich is only pictures of the wedding but as a newbe I am not sure on how to do it so thanks in advance for any help -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: copying a wedding dvd
Thanks that is what I hoped -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch Sent: 26 March 2012 16:05 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: copying a wedding dvd Well, if it's just pictures and not video you can create a new folder on your hard drive, open up the DVD, do a select-all (Command-A), copy (command-c), navigate to your new folder, then paste (command-v). That should copy everything from the DVD to your hard drive. Then you can reverse the process for the new DVD. CB On 3/26/12 1:21 PM, wayne coles wrote: > Hello chris it is just pictures on a disc but I have know > idea > On what to do so any help would be great so step by step instructions would > help so much as I am a newbe to the mac and wish to learn so is it just > selecting all the pictures and then pasting them where I don't know so > thanks in advance wayne > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch > Sent: 26 March 2012 11:38 > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: copying a wedding dvd > > Is this a video DVD or is it just files on a data DVD? If it's just > files then you can copy them like any other files. If it's video then > it's a little more work as the copy has to be formatted as a DVD with > everything just so. > > CB > > On 3/24/12 8:30 AM, wayne coles wrote: >> Hello all because this is my first time at trying this can somebody please >> give me step by step instructions on how to copy the dvd wich is only >> pictures of the wedding but as a newbe I am not sure on how to do it so >> thanks in advance for any help >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Terminal Commands For Hiding and Showing Files?
Hi Teresa, I'll paste in what I sent to John a yesterday. It should work the same for you. Remember that these items should remain visible: Applications, Library, System, and Users. There may be other items such as User Guides and Information and/or any files you may have purposely or accidentally saved there. Try this in Terminal, the stuff in brackets is just for your info, it doesn't need typed: cd / (should put you to the root level) ls (Will list your files at that level. Just to ensure ther isn't a double of the offending file) chflags hidden /filename (where "filename" is the exact filename of the offending file) You should be able to Quit Terminal and the file should now be hidden. HTH. Later... On 2012-03-26, at 1:05 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > Hi, all, > > I don't remember how I enabled this, but all my hidden files are showing in > Finder. I'd like to hide them again, with the exception of the root and user > libraries. How can I do this, either with Finder or in Terminal? I'm only a > beginning Terminal user, so be gentle, please. :) > > Thanks, > Teresa > > "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. > Feynman > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Apple TV questions
Hello Jason, I have sucsessfully hooked up and got the apple tv going. I just can't seem to get the airplay feature to work with Hulu, can this only be done with the iPad app or can it be done with the iPhone app as well? I can try it on the ipad, maybe I am just missing where to go to get it to work. Ed -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Apple TV questions
Ed hulu will work with the Iphone app however the only way it would work for me is using airplay mirroring . So turn on airplay mirroring on on your iphone and then launch the hulu app and pick your movie to watch and it should start playing on the apple tv. This should work with both devices but I have not tryed it with a Ipad so I am not possitive . Jason On Mar 26, 2012, at 5:23 PM, Ed Worrell wrote: > Hello Jason, I have sucsessfully hooked up and got the apple tv going. I just > can't seem to get the airplay feature to work with Hulu, can this only be > done with the iPad app or can it be done with the iPhone app as well? I can > try it on the ipad, maybe I am just missing where to go to get it to work. > > Ed > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Apple TV questions
Hello, where vis the airplay mirroring option found? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Apple TV questions
Ed, on your iphone double click the home button to bring up the app switcher, then 3 finger swipe to the right untill you are on the first page, then scroll down untill it says airplay , select it, scroll down to where it says apple tv and select it , once selected below where it says apple tv there will be a button called airplay mirroring , select it and your good to go. let me know if this doesn't make sence. On Mar 26, 2012, at 6:02 PM, Ed Worrell wrote: > Hello, where vis the airplay mirroring option found? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Apple TV questions
For some reason I am not getting the mirroring option, this should be after the airplay button? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Apple TV questions
Do you have an iPhone 4S, or just a 4. Mirroring is only available on the 4S, or the iPad 2. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ed Worrell Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 5:24 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple TV questions For some reason I am not getting the mirroring option, this should be after the airplay button? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: DAISY Player for the Mac/iPhone
I would also be interested in knowing this. The only thing I've seen so far is the Read to Go app for bookshare books but it isn't really all that good and I don't think you can use it on other daisy books anyway. It seems to crash quite often and you can't used it directly with VO from what I've experienced so far. Any other good ones for IOS devices? I think someone mentioned something for the mac but I forget its name right now. On 3/25/12, Jeff Berwick wrote: > Any recommendations for a good DAISY player for the Mac and/or the iPhone? > > Thx, > Jeff > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iMac Questions
Hi John, Well, it turned out that I was missing a Domain address in my network setup. I needed 2 domains, I only had one. The rep helped me add it in manually, and I think I'm now set. Another question. How does one enable speech in the Calculator? I didn't see any options in Calculator Preferences, so not certain how to accomplish this. Thanks. Les On Mar 26, 2012, at 1:47 PM, John Panarese wrote: > What type of router are you using? I used to have this kind of issue > when I was using a D Link router with my Mac. > > As for the second issue, I have seen this behavior on my Mac Book Pro > during some boot ups. I'm wondering if there is a preference file that needs > to be replaced or something of that nature. I haven't had the time to really > dig and experiment though. > > Take Care > > John Panarese > jpanar...@gmail.com > > > > On Mar 26, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: > >> I'm in the process of setting up our iMac. I still run our PC and it is >> connected to our router. With the Mac, I often need to re-start our system >> in order to get on the Internet. It works for a while, and then I cannot >> connect to a page when launching Safari. An Apple rep told me to go into >> Java Preferences and check the applets and update my Java software which I >> did, but the problem persists. Also, when I start the Mac, VO doesn't start >> talking until I Command Tab to the Finder. Any suggestions on how to >> resolve these two issues? I'm running the latest version of Lion, and all >> system software was updated when I initially started our iMac. Thanks for >> any assistance. >> >> Les >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iMac Questions
Hi Lou, Well, I will consider doing this. I think I received a Lion CD, but I need to check on this. For now, the matter appears resolved, so I'll hold off for a while until I see if it's permanent. Thanks. Les On Mar 26, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Lewis Alexander wrote: > This issue sounds all too familiar. the best resolution is this. > > you need to do a clean reinstall of OS X and it's applications. I came across > this when I first took on my current macbook pro where a software glitch had > occured. so, from my experience with system resets, I completely formatted > and reinstalled from scratch, resolving the bug in question which doesn't > exactly tie in with your fault but has similar issues. problem resolved and I > managed to tailor the OS install how I wanted it (10.6) > > I always encourage anyone who has an issue like this out of the box to > perform a system rebuild as every now and again at the factory, an > installation may generate a flaw and expose itself or something else. so a > good bit of advice if you're competent is to re-install the OS and apps. > > lew > > On 26 Mar 2012, at 20:36, Les Kriegler wrote: > >> Hi John, >> >> I have a Netgear Router. I'll contact Apple again and see what they say. I >> can reproduce VO not talking every time I start up the Mac until I bring >> focus to the Finder. Thanks for the assist. >> >> Les >> On Mar 26, 2012, at 1:47 PM, John Panarese wrote: >> >>>What type of router are you using? I used to have this kind of issue >>> when I was using a D Link router with my Mac. >>> >>> As for the second issue, I have seen this behavior on my Mac Book Pro >>> during some boot ups. I'm wondering if there is a preference file that >>> needs to be replaced or something of that nature. I haven't had the time >>> to really dig and experiment though. >>> >>> Take Care >>> >>> John Panarese >>> jpanar...@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 26, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: >>> I'm in the process of setting up our iMac. I still run our PC and it is connected to our router. With the Mac, I often need to re-start our system in order to get on the Internet. It works for a while, and then I cannot connect to a page when launching Safari. An Apple rep told me to go into Java Preferences and check the applets and update my Java software which I did, but the problem persists. Also, when I start the Mac, VO doesn't start talking until I Command Tab to the Finder. Any suggestions on how to resolve these two issues? I'm running the latest version of Lion, and all system software was updated when I initially started our iMac. Thanks for any assistance. Les -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Apple TV questions
Hi Tim, You know, I intensely dislike the latest update to the Apple TV software that I think I'm going to try the Apple TV App. With MLB TV, I hear so much garbage when I load the day's games that I cannot even listen for the scores or schedules any more. Also, VO isn't talking when the Main Menu comes up. I've re-installed the update and it's still as bad or worse than it was when I first updated. Les On Mar 26, 2012, at 4:11 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: > hi, > > I tend to leave VO off the majority of the time and use the Remote app on my > iPhone/iPad to control things. My family tends to get a little annoyed with > the ATV talking all the time so I've just found it easier that way. When VO > is off and I do wish to use the ATV itself, I've memorized the path to turn > it on. It's fairly easy, in my opinion, just to the following: > > • Press and hold the menu button for six seconds or so to bring the ATV to > the Main menu. (or press the menu button lots of times until it seems like > it's at the Main menu). It should bonk at you if sounds are set up properly. > • Press the right arrow until it bonks, which will put you on the Settings > item. If yours doesn't bonk for some reason, just press it 7 or 8 times, > that should get you there. > • Press the Select button twice, not a double press, just two times separated > by a teeny bit so it will react properly. This will put you in the General > settings area. > • Press your down arrow until it bonks, then press the up arrow four times. > This will place you on the Accessibility item. > • Press the Select button twice. Same idea as earlier, don't press them so > fast that it is like a double-press, just press it two times. > > VO will now be on. > > HTH. > > Later... > > On 2012-03-26, at 1:05 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Unfortunately, there's no way to mute VO. And as for the issue of starting >> VO during setup, I could never get that to work for me. Perhaps I was >> pressing the wrong button? Maybe I'll restore mine just for grins to test >> that. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marlaina Lieberg >> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 12:22 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Cc: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Apple TV questions >> >> Is there any way to mute the Apple TV while playing music? It is very >> annoying to have it announced every song. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Mar 26, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> It only works at the setup time or if you were to restore it. As long as >> the ATV is connected to your TV or Stereo with the volume turned up to an >> appropriate level, the ATV will say "English" when it is ready for you to >> move forward with VO on. At this point, simply press the Play button, lower >> right, three times. Don't press it too fast or too slow, then VO will come >> on just fine. If you press the Select button, center of the circle, the >> setup will move on without VO and you'll have to either unplug the ATV and >> start over or get sighted assistance as the triple-click will no longer work >> after this point. >>> >>> HTH. >>> >>> Later... >>> >>> On 2012-03-26, at 8:02 AM, Daniel Miller wrote: >>> Hi Ed, Unfortunately, the way they claim to turn on VoiceOver never worked for >> me. I had to have someone help me turn it on, even though it specifically said I could do it by pressing the play/Pause button 3 times quickly. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ed Worrell Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 8:45 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Apple TV questions Hello listers, I am here waiting for my Apple Tv to get here this >> mourning. Is there any things that I should know before I crack open the box and start setting it up? I can't remember what button to press, but wasn't there a way to turn on voiceover at start up? And how is Airplay used from iPad to Apple Tv? Thanks, Ed -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit
Re: iMac Questions
There is actually a speech menu from the menu bar. Just check the two options and you will have speech. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com On Mar 26, 2012, at 6:50 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: > Hi John, > > Well, it turned out that I was missing a Domain address in my network setup. > I needed 2 domains, I only had one. The rep helped me add it in manually, > and I think I'm now set. Another question. How does one enable speech in > the Calculator? I didn't see any options in Calculator Preferences, so not > certain how to accomplish this. Thanks. > > Les > On Mar 26, 2012, at 1:47 PM, John Panarese wrote: > >> What type of router are you using? I used to have this kind of issue >> when I was using a D Link router with my Mac. >> >>As for the second issue, I have seen this behavior on my Mac Book Pro >> during some boot ups. I'm wondering if there is a preference file that >> needs to be replaced or something of that nature. I haven't had the time to >> really dig and experiment though. >> >> Take Care >> >> John Panarese >> jpanar...@gmail.com >> >> >> >> On Mar 26, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: >> >>> I'm in the process of setting up our iMac. I still run our PC and it is >>> connected to our router. With the Mac, I often need to re-start our system >>> in order to get on the Internet. It works for a while, and then I cannot >>> connect to a page when launching Safari. An Apple rep told me to go into >>> Java Preferences and check the applets and update my Java software which I >>> did, but the problem persists. Also, when I start the Mac, VO doesn't >>> start talking until I Command Tab to the Finder. Any suggestions on how to >>> resolve these two issues? I'm running the latest version of Lion, and all >>> system software was updated when I initially started our iMac. Thanks for >>> any assistance. >>> >>> Les >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Apple TV questions
Hi Les, There is a known bug in the latest update that affects the listing of items. It is especially annoying when in the list of TV Shows from your given computer. It does not appear to arrange them properly. In fact, if you have a large number of TV shows in your Library, it's almost impossible to locate what you want whether your sighted or a VO user. For this bug, I've used my Remote app on my iPhone/iPad and everything works as it should using this method. I suggested it as a workaround on the Apple Discussions forum as well. It appears that it has something to do with iTunes 10.6 and the latest ATV software. I assume Apple will fix it soon but in the meantime, my Remote app is my best tool. Later... On 2012-03-26, at 5:04 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: > Hi Tim, > > You know, I intensely dislike the latest update to the Apple TV software that > I think I'm going to try the Apple TV App. With MLB TV, I hear so much > garbage when I load the day's games that I cannot even listen for the scores > or schedules any more. Also, VO isn't talking when the Main Menu comes up. > I've re-installed the update and it's still as bad or worse than it was when > I first updated. > > Les > On Mar 26, 2012, at 4:11 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: > >> hi, >> >> I tend to leave VO off the majority of the time and use the Remote app on my >> iPhone/iPad to control things. My family tends to get a little annoyed with >> the ATV talking all the time so I've just found it easier that way. When VO >> is off and I do wish to use the ATV itself, I've memorized the path to turn >> it on. It's fairly easy, in my opinion, just to the following: >> >> • Press and hold the menu button for six seconds or so to bring the ATV to >> the Main menu. (or press the menu button lots of times until it seems like >> it's at the Main menu). It should bonk at you if sounds are set up properly. >> • Press the right arrow until it bonks, which will put you on the Settings >> item. If yours doesn't bonk for some reason, just press it 7 or 8 times, >> that should get you there. >> • Press the Select button twice, not a double press, just two times >> separated by a teeny bit so it will react properly. This will put you in >> the General settings area. >> • Press your down arrow until it bonks, then press the up arrow four times. >> This will place you on the Accessibility item. >> • Press the Select button twice. Same idea as earlier, don't press them so >> fast that it is like a double-press, just press it two times. >> >> VO will now be on. >> >> HTH. >> >> Later... >> >> On 2012-03-26, at 1:05 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Unfortunately, there's no way to mute VO. And as for the issue of starting >>> VO during setup, I could never get that to work for me. Perhaps I was >>> pressing the wrong button? Maybe I'll restore mine just for grins to test >>> that. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marlaina Lieberg >>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 12:22 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Cc: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Apple TV questions >>> >>> Is there any way to mute the Apple TV while playing music? It is very >>> annoying to have it announced every song. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Mar 26, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: >>> Hi, It only works at the setup time or if you were to restore it. As long as >>> the ATV is connected to your TV or Stereo with the volume turned up to an >>> appropriate level, the ATV will say "English" when it is ready for you to >>> move forward with VO on. At this point, simply press the Play button, lower >>> right, three times. Don't press it too fast or too slow, then VO will come >>> on just fine. If you press the Select button, center of the circle, the >>> setup will move on without VO and you'll have to either unplug the ATV and >>> start over or get sighted assistance as the triple-click will no longer work >>> after this point. HTH. Later... On 2012-03-26, at 8:02 AM, Daniel Miller wrote: > Hi Ed, > > Unfortunately, the way they claim to turn on VoiceOver never worked for >>> me. > I had to have someone help me turn it on, even though it specifically > said I could do it by pressing the play/Pause button 3 times quickly. > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ed Worrell > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 8:45 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Apple TV questions > > Hello listers, I am here waiting for my Apple Tv to get here this >>> mourning. > Is there any things that I should know before I crack open the box > and start setting it up? > I can
Re: iMac Questions
Hi Lou, Well, the problem of losing internet connections persists. Now, here's what I'm wondering. Before I format and re-install the OS and the one app I've added, I think I should contact Apple. When I looked at my hard disk specs, I noticed that the drive was created in October of last year. That seems like a long time for a drive to be sitting around, or worse, I[m wondering if this unit was returned? Anyway, I'm wondering if I should request a hard drive replacement, which I assume would mean the iMac unit itself? I think it's either going to be a replacement or the route you recommended. Thanks. Les On Mar 26, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Lewis Alexander wrote: > This issue sounds all too familiar. the best resolution is this. > > you need to do a clean reinstall of OS X and it's applications. I came across > this when I first took on my current macbook pro where a software glitch had > occured. so, from my experience with system resets, I completely formatted > and reinstalled from scratch, resolving the bug in question which doesn't > exactly tie in with your fault but has similar issues. problem resolved and I > managed to tailor the OS install how I wanted it (10.6) > > I always encourage anyone who has an issue like this out of the box to > perform a system rebuild as every now and again at the factory, an > installation may generate a flaw and expose itself or something else. so a > good bit of advice if you're competent is to re-install the OS and apps. > > lew > > On 26 Mar 2012, at 20:36, Les Kriegler wrote: > >> Hi John, >> >> I have a Netgear Router. I'll contact Apple again and see what they say. I >> can reproduce VO not talking every time I start up the Mac until I bring >> focus to the Finder. Thanks for the assist. >> >> Les >> On Mar 26, 2012, at 1:47 PM, John Panarese wrote: >> >>>What type of router are you using? I used to have this kind of issue >>> when I was using a D Link router with my Mac. >>> >>> As for the second issue, I have seen this behavior on my Mac Book Pro >>> during some boot ups. I'm wondering if there is a preference file that >>> needs to be replaced or something of that nature. I haven't had the time >>> to really dig and experiment though. >>> >>> Take Care >>> >>> John Panarese >>> jpanar...@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 26, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: >>> I'm in the process of setting up our iMac. I still run our PC and it is connected to our router. With the Mac, I often need to re-start our system in order to get on the Internet. It works for a while, and then I cannot connect to a page when launching Safari. An Apple rep told me to go into Java Preferences and check the applets and update my Java software which I did, but the problem persists. Also, when I start the Mac, VO doesn't start talking until I Command Tab to the Finder. Any suggestions on how to resolve these two issues? I'm running the latest version of Lion, and all system software was updated when I initially started our iMac. Thanks for any assistance. Les -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegro
Re: copying a wedding dvd
depending on the type is going to dictate the tools you use. for most data dvds, all one needs is a command line app called dd. the command reads like this: dd bs=1048576 if=/dev/ of=/Users//dvd.iso for video DVD's, you may need to use a different tool as you would also have to deal with the CSS encoding on the disk itself. -eric On Mar 26, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: > Is this a video DVD or is it just files on a data DVD? If it's just files > then you can copy them like any other files. If it's video then it's a little > more work as the copy has to be formatted as a DVD with everything just so. > > CB > > On 3/24/12 8:30 AM, wayne coles wrote: >> Hello all because this is my first time at trying this can somebody please >> give me step by step instructions on how to copy the dvd wich is only >> pictures of the wedding but as a newbe I am not sure on how to do it so >> thanks in advance for any help >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Apple TV questions
Hello. I don't have an Apple TV but have a Mac Mini and an IPhone 4s. I don't see any Airplay options on the App switcher. Do I have to do something on the Mini? On Mar 26, 2012, at 5:12 PM, jason lefevers wrote: > Ed, on your iphone double click the home button to bring up the app switcher, > then 3 finger swipe to the right untill you are on the first page, then > scroll down untill it says airplay , select it, scroll down to where it says > apple tv and select it , once selected below where it says apple tv there > will be a button called airplay mirroring , select it and your good to go. > let me know if this doesn't make sence. > On Mar 26, 2012, at 6:02 PM, Ed Worrell wrote: > >> Hello, where vis the airplay mirroring option found? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Apple TV questions
You cant' use airplay with a mac, it's only used for an apple TV, unfortunately. One of the features that's coming in OS X 10.8 is that ability, however. You'll be able to airplay what's on your mac to an apple TV. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hunt Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 8:16 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple TV questions Hello. I don't have an Apple TV but have a Mac Mini and an IPhone 4s. I don't see any Airplay options on the App switcher. Do I have to do something on the Mini? On Mar 26, 2012, at 5:12 PM, jason lefevers wrote: > Ed, on your iphone double click the home button to bring up the app switcher, then 3 finger swipe to the right untill you are on the first page, then scroll down untill it says airplay , select it, scroll down to where it says apple tv and select it , once selected below where it says apple tv there will be a button called airplay mirroring , select it and your good to go. let me know if this doesn't make sence. > On Mar 26, 2012, at 6:02 PM, Ed Worrell wrote: > >> Hello, where vis the airplay mirroring option found? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Apple TV questions
Hi, I think that this may require a bit of clarification. • You cannot AirPlay Mirror from an iPhone 4S/iPad 2 to the Mac. Key word here is "mirror". • Yes, you can Airplay from a Mac or iDevice to an Apple TV or Airport Express for audio through iTunes. • You can purchase something called Reflection.app which does Airplay Mirror from the iPhone 4S/iPad 2 to a Mac. The app is not available through the App Store though. Or, you could simply wait for Mountain Lion as mentioned. Later... On 2012-03-26, at 7:31 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: > You cant' use airplay with a mac, it's only used for an apple TV, > unfortunately. > One of the features that's coming in OS X 10.8 is that ability, however. > You'll be able to airplay what's on your mac to an apple TV. > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hunt > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 8:16 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Apple TV questions > > Hello. I don't have an Apple TV but have a Mac Mini and an IPhone 4s. I > don't see any Airplay options on the App switcher. Do I have to do something > on the Mini? > > On Mar 26, 2012, at 5:12 PM, jason lefevers > wrote: > >> Ed, on your iphone double click the home button to bring up the app > switcher, then 3 finger swipe to the right untill you are on the first page, > then scroll down untill it says airplay , select it, scroll down to where it > says apple tv and select it , once selected below where it says apple tv > there will be a button called airplay mirroring , select it and your good to > go. let me know if this doesn't make sence. >> On Mar 26, 2012, at 6:02 PM, Ed Worrell wrote: >> >>> Hello, where vis the airplay mirroring option found? >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iPad, iPhone, Mac for the blind
What state do you live in? Remember that not all states do things the same. In Minnesota we purchase Apple computers, iPads, iTouch and (occasionally) an iPhone. And, the reason we don't purchase many iPhones has nothing to do with policy of our agency, The purchasing policies of the state in general make purchasing an iPhone very complicated and difficult unless it is being purchased for use by a state employee, and that employee must have a very good justification if they want the state to buy them for use at work. It will usually require fileing a "Reasonable Accomidation Request". - Original Message - From: "Eric Oyen" To: Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 6:45 AM Subject: Re: iPad, iPhone, Mac for the blind second reply. understand that all the other groups want in on this. some of them actually have more resources they can draw on that we do not have. I tried to petition the state here to allow me to continue my computer skills training with a mac and was told they won't support that, even though a number of fortune 500 companies use macs in house as their platform of choice (EbAY, Yelp, and a few others). I have also been told that the contracts the state has with freedom scientific precludes them from getting hardware/software from any other vendor. so? this means I am being forced to start training on a system that has some huge issues, doesn't work well and generally gets crappier with each release. anyone try calling FS lately? half their calls are routed to Mumbai, India. Don't even have me go into all the problems that windows has (I am well experienced with windows and its design flaws). I want a system that is stable and "just works" and macs are as close to that as anyone can ever get. all the downtime paid for by the state for windows issues represents a non-trivial expenditure every year. last I checked with a IT friend of mine in eBAY, their downtime with the mac hardware was only about 2 days out of the entire year. hell, the windows VM's failed far more often. so here we are. I want something that will pay for itself in taxpayer savings and less downtime and they want to justify their useless jobs. guess I am getting punchy. haven't slept in 3 days. -eric On Mar 26, 2012, at 4:00 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, The problem with what you say is, its not just blind people fighting for that assistance. You have those with develop mental disabilities, emotional disorders, motor disabilities, and the list goes on. And they all want there share of the pie. So the same congressman you have wear a blind fold for a year, will also be asked to sit in a wheel chair for a year. Wear ear pluges for a year, etc. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Mar 26, 2012, at 6:53 AM, Eric Oyen wrote: at least you had stuff to sell. I don't even have that. I would get about $100 for this machine on the used market. the linux laptop even less. I own very little, so having capital to work with just isn't happening. I, too, have run into the bureaucratic quagmire of dealing with various charities just to get assistance on some critical needs (medications, etc). I would like very much to meet the lawyers that made this situation and have them wear a blindfold for 1 year (you cannot take it off for anything). have all the members of congress setup this way, all the upper management of the US Government and all the lawyers for all the charities. 1 year of blindness and there would certainly be a boatload of changes for the better (such as public education, better accessibility, better job training and a vastly more streamlined system of getting things done. I would congress read the 70,000 pages of regulations currently on the books... IN BRAILLE. I think even reading the entire text of the affordable care act in braille would scare the whole lot of them off the hill. hehe nice pipedream but it gives you an idea of just how much frustration I go through EVERY DAY. -eric On Mar 26, 2012, at 2:39 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote: Hi Eric, yep I completely agree with you and understand your plite. I was forced to close down the project due to two major factors. Lack of support regarding supply of equipment and a poorly run charities commission stating different rulings and then telling me that my project does not warrant Commission status, thus failing to grant registered numbers, etc. This project has helped a very small number of users (8 in all) and it's left me in a very serious situation which I've now resolved. The problem also exists wherever you are in the world. Funding for accessible equipment for the blind is non existant. Why? well from my years of experience in this matter, various charities set up conflicting guidelines and rulings which do not help the individual in need of the support. For over 12 years since I lost my sight completely, I had to
Re: Kindle App on iPhone
they certainly are better than the other main commercial concern. the only problem I see with apple is that some of their hardware is a bit overpriced for how its made. -eric On Mar 26, 2012, at 5:18 AM, Gigi wrote: > Hi guys > Well, as for me, I think I'll do business with one company that I don't have > to argue with. You know guys, the one that has iTunes. I can get all the > books I'll ever want to read from iTunes, and I don't have to argue with them. > Regards > Gigi > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 25, 2012, at 7:49 PM, Adie wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> Well I am not in the US either and I can tell you that the BBC has >> featured a piece on the American Authors' Guild and their dog in the >> manger attitude to this. >> >> Some authors have been mentioned in the course of this discussion. Can >> any of them be persuaded to speak out against this publicly? Can we >> start a Twitter campaign? Unless we all suddenly win the Lottery, a >> court case would be difficult and adverse publicity for these people >> may be another way of approaching it. You have elections coming up in >> the US, could any candidates be persuaded to speak out against this? >> How about letters to the NYT and so forth? Does anyone know any >> journalists who might take this up? >> >> I'm sure many of us outside the US would be happy to follow up in our >> respective countries in any way we can. >> >> Do you know, I remember hearing of the Kindle and how many books would >> be available through it and that it would make such a huge difference >> to most of our lives overnight, I was literally, bouncing up and down >> with excitement. Believe me, that doesn't happen very often. Seems to >> me that the dashing of hopes is one of the cruellest things you can do >> to people. Hope they sleep nights. >> >> Best >> >> Adrienne >> >> >> >> Karen Lewellen wrote: >>> Esther, >>> Two questions. >>> Does the author's guild have statistical evidence that the average mac >>> product user even knows that voiceover is there let alone that they would >>> opt for this behavior? >>> I might point out that audiobooks, commercial ones were not created for the >>> vision challenged population, but for the general public, so the argument > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iPad, iPhone, Mac for the blind
Hi Eric. I know lot of people who cannot afford Imac but can afford a windows. A lot of blind people I know have window eyes or jaws. Some of them get used ones and others can get them by putting so much money down a month. You might have to go by way of windows for now which I understand is just as good only different. On Mar 26, 2012, at 5:39 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote: > Hi Eric, > > yep I completely agree with you and understand your plite. > > I was forced to close down the project due to two major factors. Lack of > support regarding supply of equipment and a poorly run charities commission > stating different rulings and then telling me that my project does not > warrant Commission status, thus failing to grant registered numbers, etc. > > This project has helped a very small number of users (8 in all) and it's left > me in a very serious situation which I've now resolved. > > The problem also exists wherever you are in the world. Funding for accessible > equipment for the blind is non existant. Why? well from my years of > experience in this matter, various charities set up conflicting guidelines > and rulings which do not help the individual in need of the support. For over > 12 years since I lost my sight completely, I had to apply for various grants. > within 10 years, every grant (500+ in total) were rejected, all because of > different factors by their own rulings, offerings of £100 to £250 towards a > product and then not being able to apply to X amount of other charities > (connected to the associated charity in question) due to ridiculous clauses. > > I use my iphone 3GS and macbook pro. the only reason I have these is through > having to sell everything I owned including my old music gear from years ago > to raise the funds for the kit needed, from there it's been a thing of taking > on a few projects to raise cash for equipment I still have to rely on. > > internationally, we need to change the system and yes APPLE needs to help us > out on this. They have developed products which openly and directly support > blind and disabled users and yet we have to pay an absolute premium, as > rightly said here, over 85% of blind people in the USA are out of work and > cannot afford the equipment and services needed, the same here in the UK even > though disability living allowance and other components aren't enough to > cover costs of equipment. You're lucky if you get into a university to > receive grants for equipment you need. In my case, through my education, the > equipment I had to use failed me all the time, the wrong software, wrong > hardware and operating systems which by their own admission were poorly > managed and had huge issues. hence me taking on the matters in person and > resolving them. a battle I don't want to entertain ever again. > > It's at this point where we as a nation of blind and visually impaired people > make a stand and a change for the better. > > lew > > On 26 Mar 2012, at 10:22, Eric Oyen wrote: > >> I really wish there was a financing program for the blind when it comes to >> mac hardware (laptops, desktops, iPad, iPhone). given that I (and a great >> many others) am living on a disability income (more than 85% of the blind in >> the US are), I find it nearly impossible to save up for any equipment. Hell, >> I had to make my own Hackintosh and load it with a store purchased copy of >> snow leopard. It cost me $30 for the OS and about $400 to assemble the >> machine. at minimum, I would have to spend nearly twice that much for a >> comparably equipped mac mini and almost $1500 or more for a reasonably >> powerful macbook pro/air. given that I have to spend my money on >> medications, rent and food, there is no way I can even save up for one at >> all. >> >> there used to be a "free macs for the blind" charity in Great Britain, but >> the person running that organization was forced to give it up as there were >> too many problems involved. We need something like that here in North >> America, but I just don't see that happening. I tried to query Apple about >> doing something like this and was given the polite brush off (thats nice >> kid, here is a soda. now go over in the corner.). hell, they have $115 >> Billion in CASH laying around they are not using. they could earn themselves >> a lot of good publicity if they offered some macs to the blind at a vastly >> discounted rate. it would also give them an in to a market they don't >> currently have. >> >> anyway, time for me to climb down off the soapbox. >> >> -eric >> >> On Mar 26, 2012, at 1:38 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: >> >>> one thing that I can note that is not seeming to be mentioned is the fact >>> that there ar certain Apps which are not available on iPhone / iPod Touch, >>> yet, that are found on the iPad. >>> >>> The iPad from my prespective is purely for consumption, and I use it for >>> news papers, which 4 of which a
Re: Apple TV questions
Hi Tim, What is the name of the app you use? I see two paid apps from the same author, one is a pro version for $4.99, the other is for $.99. Are these the apps to which you refer? It looks like one can control one's Mac from the Pro version, but other than that, the apps look fairly similar in features, assuming I'm looking at the proper apps. Thanks. I look forward to getting away from the current buggy software on the Apple TV. Les On Mar 26, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: > Hi Les, > > There is a known bug in the latest update that affects the listing of items. > It is especially annoying when in the list of TV Shows from your given > computer. It does not appear to arrange them properly. In fact, if you have > a large number of TV shows in your Library, it's almost impossible to locate > what you want whether your sighted or a VO user. For this bug, I've used my > Remote app on my iPhone/iPad and everything works as it should using this > method. I suggested it as a workaround on the Apple Discussions forum as > well. It appears that it has something to do with iTunes 10.6 and the latest > ATV software. I assume Apple will fix it soon but in the meantime, my Remote > app is my best tool. > > Later... > > On 2012-03-26, at 5:04 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: > >> Hi Tim, >> >> You know, I intensely dislike the latest update to the Apple TV software >> that I think I'm going to try the Apple TV App. With MLB TV, I hear so much >> garbage when I load the day's games that I cannot even listen for the scores >> or schedules any more. Also, VO isn't talking when the Main Menu comes up. >> I've re-installed the update and it's still as bad or worse than it was when >> I first updated. >> >> Les >> On Mar 26, 2012, at 4:11 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: >> >>> hi, >>> >>> I tend to leave VO off the majority of the time and use the Remote app on >>> my iPhone/iPad to control things. My family tends to get a little annoyed >>> with the ATV talking all the time so I've just found it easier that way. >>> When VO is off and I do wish to use the ATV itself, I've memorized the path >>> to turn it on. It's fairly easy, in my opinion, just to the following: >>> >>> • Press and hold the menu button for six seconds or so to bring the ATV to >>> the Main menu. (or press the menu button lots of times until it seems like >>> it's at the Main menu). It should bonk at you if sounds are set up >>> properly. >>> • Press the right arrow until it bonks, which will put you on the Settings >>> item. If yours doesn't bonk for some reason, just press it 7 or 8 times, >>> that should get you there. >>> • Press the Select button twice, not a double press, just two times >>> separated by a teeny bit so it will react properly. This will put you in >>> the General settings area. >>> • Press your down arrow until it bonks, then press the up arrow four times. >>> This will place you on the Accessibility item. >>> • Press the Select button twice. Same idea as earlier, don't press them so >>> fast that it is like a double-press, just press it two times. >>> >>> VO will now be on. >>> >>> HTH. >>> >>> Later... >>> >>> On 2012-03-26, at 1:05 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: >>> Hi, Unfortunately, there's no way to mute VO. And as for the issue of starting VO during setup, I could never get that to work for me. Perhaps I was pressing the wrong button? Maybe I'll restore mine just for grins to test that. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marlaina Lieberg Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 12:22 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Cc: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple TV questions Is there any way to mute the Apple TV while playing music? It is very annoying to have it announced every song. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 26, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: > Hi, > > It only works at the setup time or if you were to restore it. As long as the ATV is connected to your TV or Stereo with the volume turned up to an appropriate level, the ATV will say "English" when it is ready for you to move forward with VO on. At this point, simply press the Play button, lower right, three times. Don't press it too fast or too slow, then VO will come on just fine. If you press the Select button, center of the circle, the setup will move on without VO and you'll have to either unplug the ATV and start over or get sighted assistance as the triple-click will no longer work after this point. > > HTH. > > Later... > > On 2012-03-26, at 8:02 AM, Daniel Miller wrote: > >> Hi Ed, >> >> Unfortunately, the way they claim to turn on VoiceOver never worked for me. >> I had to have someone
