Re: Great new features in Lion
Hello David, Have you looked in the Edit menu under Spelling and Grammar? There are several options you can choose from. Also, in Verbosity, you can choose to have VO say nothing or make a sound. For most purposes, I have VO set to make a sound, but in Mail, I have Verbosity set to Low, and spelling turned off. I've also got rid of most other extraneous information and created a Mail activity. Cheers, Anne On 24 Jul 2011, at 02:38, David Tanner wrote: > Ok folks let me perhaps show my ignorance since I have never used Apple email > much, but I have never seen what I am seeing now. > > Everything seems to be working fine for me in email since I sat my preferred > options, but I really would prefer not to hear VoiceOver announce "misspelled > every time it comes across some sort of abbreviation. > > How do I turn of auto spellchecking in email. I don't admit to being a > perfect speller, but to hear about supposed spelling errors when I am just > reading mail is just a little too much. > > Any help here would be greatly appreciated. > > On Jul 23, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote: > >> Hey David. Yeah I'm getting those weird pitch changes too with the Nuance >> voices. That's why in Mail until they fix this bug I'm using Alex until they >> fix this because reading messages with Samantha sounding like a chipmunk >> scares me. >> >> Shawn >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Dual boot between Snow Leopard and Lion?
Assuming I can get the dual boot thing together, would I then use migration assistant to port my apps and data into Lion including network PW etc? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
battery life in my MacBook Pro
OK, before any of you are a bit trigger happy with the reply button, let me preface this message by saying that I understand battery life is not something that is easy to calculate. Each minute your MacBook can be doing different things and the power draw from the battery is not consistent. Having said that, I am somewhat convinced the battery life for my MacBook using Lion is now somewhat less than when I had Snow Leopard. I cannot prove it of course with easily reproduced steps. But at the moment, as I am writing this email, my battery status says 20-percent, an hour and 18 minutes remaining. If we calculate this up to 100-percent, we know this battery will last 390 minutes. I of course don't know what the battery life would calculate to be if everything is the same, and I am writing this email under SL instead of Lion. But what I do know is that under SL, my battery can give me 10 plus hours of nonstop usage. This is doing anything but running Safari. I have mid-2010 MacBook Pro. Again, I am not saying the battery life is definitely less, but it certainly feels that way. Especially when my laptop seems to run a little more warm than it has been in the past. I am not seeking any answers. I just want to bring this to your attention so you can be aware of your MacBook's battery life under Lion. I imagine this has a lot to do with what some people are saying about the Spotlight. Lion probably has a new way of indexing the files in your system and is caching it more actively than SL. I am not in panic mode yet. I am quite sure Apple will come out with an update to improve the battery life. For the meantime, I cannot expect the 10-hours of battery life I had before running SL. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: battery life in my MacBook Pro
heh is there a way to disable spotlight *entirely*? I hope there is, because I never liked that feature. On 7/24/11, Shen wrote: > OK, before any of you are a bit trigger happy with the reply button, let me > preface this message by saying that I understand battery life is not > something that is easy to calculate. Each minute your MacBook can be doing > different things and the power draw from the battery is not consistent. > > Having said that, I am somewhat convinced the battery life for my MacBook > using Lion is now somewhat less than when I had Snow Leopard. I cannot prove > it of course with easily reproduced steps. But at the moment, as I am > writing this email, my battery status says 20-percent, an hour and 18 > minutes remaining. > If we calculate this up to 100-percent, we know this battery will last 390 > minutes. > I of course don't know what the battery life would calculate to be if > everything is the same, and I am writing this email under SL instead of > Lion. > But what I do know is that under SL, my battery can give me 10 plus hours of > nonstop usage. > This is doing anything but running Safari. I have mid-2010 MacBook Pro. > Again, I am not saying the battery life is definitely less, but it certainly > feels that way. Especially when my laptop seems to run a little more warm > than it has been in the past. > > I am not seeking any answers. I just want to bring this to your attention so > you can be aware of your MacBook's battery life under Lion. > I imagine this has a lot to do with what some people are saying about the > Spotlight. Lion probably has a new way of indexing the files in your system > and is caching it more actively than SL. I am not in panic mode yet. I am > quite sure Apple will come out with an update to improve the battery life. > For the meantime, I cannot expect the 10-hours of battery life I had before > running SL. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Totally bizarre finding with Safari 5.1 in Lion
I've never gotten command+option+Q to work in any application, try as I may. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" To: Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 6:23 PM Subject: Re: Totally bizarre finding with Safari 5.1 in Lion Hi, John is correct. As mentioned in a separate thread, you can use the cmd-option-q which will Quit and Discard Windows, thus allowing you to startup Safari from your Homepage. Alternatively, you can go into your system Preferences, select the General pane and uncheck the box for Recovering Windows. It sometimes doesn't take effect right away, but it will. If you have problems with this, please repost and someone will assist. Later… On 2011-07-23, at 2:11 PM, John Panarese wrote: Have you tried quitting Safari with, option-command-q instead of just command-q? I believe this will close all of the active Safari Windows and will not have them open next time you start Safari. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Shen wrote: Teresa, I saw that too, but it's not a checkbox. It's an option that lets Safari open all the windows from the last session. So that doesn't work. Looks like 1 way of doing this is when I am done and about to quit Safari, close all tabs and windows, then open my home page, then quit. I can't imagine there is no way to just open the home page instead of all windows from last session. Otherwise, what's the point of a home page? On Jul 23, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: In the history menu in Safari, uncheck "Reopen all windows from last session". HTH, Teresa On Jul 23, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Shen wrote: Hello, Yes, you and I are having the same issue. Whenever I open Safari, I prefer to have only my hope page open. But for some reason, it is now opening all the pages I had open the last time I quite Safari. As far as I can find, there is no setting to change that. The other little quirk I have is whenever a page is done loading, VoiceOver doesn't always put me in the html content and start interacting with it. I have to press VO-Shift-Down Arrow to start interacting with it. The second issue is not that bad, but just a little annoying. I sure would like to know if I can get Safari to open only my home page and not all the tabs and windows I had open the last time before quitting Safari. On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:52 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: I wholeheartedly agree with Chris here. Calm down, folks. If there's an issue, first check if there's a solution or workaround for the thing, if not, ask a question here, after the frustration has settled, and if that doesn't help, write a polite letter to Apples Accessibility team. I've got a couple issues i'm investigating now, one of them are on-topic here, and it's about how i go about having Safari not to open all the pages i had up last every time i open a new page. It makes sense when first starting Safari directly, but if there's a page i want to read, i don't want to have to close all the other pages that pop up and taking focus away from the page i want to read. Surely there must be a setting somewhere, only i can't find it. /Krister 23 jul 2011 kl. 03:39 skrev Chris Westbrook: And in case anyone actually cares, this has nothing to do with vo or lion. The reason Jaws won't download on safari is that by default, freedom scientific offers direct ftp links to their downloads and safari apparently can't handle direct ftp links. If you REALLY want to download Jaws from a mac, FS offers a page for http downloads. Frankly, the whole item chooser thing really doesn't bother me much as the web roder has always worked for me and that is for the web. I am glad I upgraded, and I'm even getting used to the new mail. I think we all just need to calm down a bit. As far as apple not caring, just because they don't talk to us doesn't mean they don't care. They don't talk to anyone, it's as simple as that. Missy, I really hope you get your power situation straightened out, but I don't think that is a lion issue either. Calm down everyone. :) Chris Westbrook On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:29 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote: Hi guys. Just to add a little to what Carolyn said, it's been two days since Lion came out so don't expect these problems to just magically go away. If they are making some of you guys that angry, switch back to SL. It can be done easily enough if you have a recent backup. Email off list please if you need help doing this seeing as this is starting to become not VO related anymore. Thanks and for those that need too, chill! On 2011-07-22, at 9:16 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: Hi Chris: Do yourself and all of us a favor: Step away from the computer and chill for a while before writing a pointless rave like this. No one really needs to hear it. On Jul 22, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Not exactly that anyone would really want! to download this, but, why in the h
Re: Totally bizarre finding with Safari 5.1 in Lion
Totally agree about the item chooser. It's almost a dealbreaker for me to go back to SL. I'm being patient, though I don't know why. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Dan Roy" To: Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 10:17 PM Subject: Re: Totally bizarre finding with Safari 5.1 in Lion THERE WAS AN ANSWER POSTED EARLIER, YOU HAVE 2 CHOICES. 1. WHEN QUITTING THE APPLICATION HIT OPTION ALONG WITH COMMAND-Q AND IT WILL GO BACK TO THE DEFAULT STATE. 2. UNDER THE GENERAL TAB OF SYSTEM PREFERENCES, THERE IS A CHECKBOX TO TOGGLE THE BEHAVIOR OF PREVIOUS WINDOWS OPENING WHEN YOU RESTART AN APP. MY BIGGEST ISSUE NOW IS WITH THE ITEM CHOOSER WHICH I HAVE GROWN TO LOVE AND IS COMPLETELY UNRELIABLE UNDER LION. On Jul 23, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Shen wrote: Hello, Yes, you and I are having the same issue. Whenever I open Safari, I prefer to have only my hope page open. But for some reason, it is now opening all the pages I had open the last time I quite Safari. As far as I can find, there is no setting to change that. The other little quirk I have is whenever a page is done loading, VoiceOver doesn't always put me in the html content and start interacting with it. I have to press VO-Shift-Down Arrow to start interacting with it. The second issue is not that bad, but just a little annoying. I sure would like to know if I can get Safari to open only my home page and not all the tabs and windows I had open the last time before quitting Safari. On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:52 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: I wholeheartedly agree with Chris here. Calm down, folks. If there's an issue, first check if there's a solution or workaround for the thing, if not, ask a question here, after the frustration has settled, and if that doesn't help, write a polite letter to Apples Accessibility team. I've got a couple issues i'm investigating now, one of them are on-topic here, and it's about how i go about having Safari not to open all the pages i had up last every time i open a new page. It makes sense when first starting Safari directly, but if there's a page i want to read, i don't want to have to close all the other pages that pop up and taking focus away from the page i want to read. Surely there must be a setting somewhere, only i can't find it. /Krister 23 jul 2011 kl. 03:39 skrev Chris Westbrook: And in case anyone actually cares, this has nothing to do with vo or lion. The reason Jaws won't download on safari is that by default, freedom scientific offers direct ftp links to their downloads and safari apparently can't handle direct ftp links. If you REALLY want to download Jaws from a mac, FS offers a page for http downloads. Frankly, the whole item chooser thing really doesn't bother me much as the web roder has always worked for me and that is for the web. I am glad I upgraded, and I'm even getting used to the new mail. I think we all just need to calm down a bit. As far as apple not caring, just because they don't talk to us doesn't mean they don't care. They don't talk to anyone, it's as simple as that. Missy, I really hope you get your power situation straightened out, but I don't think that is a lion issue either. Calm down everyone. :) Chris Westbrook On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:29 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote: Hi guys. Just to add a little to what Carolyn said, it's been two days since Lion came out so don't expect these problems to just magically go away. If they are making some of you guys that angry, switch back to SL. It can be done easily enough if you have a recent backup. Email off list please if you need help doing this seeing as this is starting to become not VO related anymore. Thanks and for those that need too, chill! On 2011-07-22, at 9:16 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: Hi Chris: Do yourself and all of us a favor: Step away from the computer and chill for a while before writing a pointless rave like this. No one really needs to hear it. On Jul 22, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Not exactly that anyone would really want! to download this, but, why in the heck is it, that if I go to either http://www.freedomscientific.com Or: http://www.hj.com Take your pick, for one, I am finding the item chooser stuff happening here as well, if you do vo+I then type d o w... stick with me, it gets even weirder than item choser stuff... I'm just setting some ground... anyway, if you hit vo+i, then do d o w, you won't get the downloads link, yet if you use vo+U and go to links in the roter, then! do it, it works, then go to jaws for windows screen reading software, then try to find the jaws 12 download link, if you hit vo+space on that link, Safari says the page cannot be found. Now, here's the weird part. If I try this from my xp pro sp3 machine with either I E, or Firefox, then hit enter on the link, same network l A n, same public I P address, same internet connection, etc. same d h c p, same d n s, same router, nothing c
Re: Getting an app out of full screen mode in Lion?
Hit escape, and that should do it. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Doug Lawlor" To: Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 12:06 AM Subject: Getting an app out of full screen mode in Lion? Hello list: Has anyone found a way to get an app out of full screen mode? I was taking a look at Mail and pressed the button to make the app full screen. I just don't know how to get it out of this mode again. Thanks, Doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Totally bizarre finding with Safari 5.1 in Lion
Hi Chris, Very odd. cmd-option-q works consistently for me in Safari. As a test, I did a GOogle search and then used the combination. My homepage came back when I reopened the program, not the search results. Best, Zack. On Jul 24, 2011, at 1:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > Totally agree about the item chooser. > > It's almost a dealbreaker for me to go back to SL. I'm being patient, though > I don't know why. > > Chris. > > - Original Message - From: "Dan Roy" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 10:17 PM > Subject: Re: Totally bizarre finding with Safari 5.1 in Lion > > > THERE WAS AN ANSWER POSTED EARLIER, YOU HAVE 2 CHOICES. > > 1. WHEN QUITTING THE APPLICATION HIT OPTION ALONG WITH COMMAND-Q AND IT WILL > GO BACK TO THE DEFAULT STATE. > > 2. UNDER THE GENERAL TAB OF SYSTEM PREFERENCES, THERE IS A CHECKBOX TO > TOGGLE THE BEHAVIOR OF PREVIOUS WINDOWS OPENING WHEN YOU RESTART AN APP. > > MY BIGGEST ISSUE NOW IS WITH THE ITEM CHOOSER WHICH I HAVE GROWN TO LOVE AND > IS COMPLETELY UNRELIABLE UNDER LION. > > > On Jul 23, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Shen wrote: > >> Hello, >> Yes, you and I are having the same issue. Whenever I open Safari, I prefer >> to have only my hope page open. But for some reason, it is now opening all >> the pages I had open the last time I quite Safari. As far as I can find, >> there is no setting to change that. The other little quirk I have is >> whenever a page is done loading, VoiceOver doesn't always put me in the html >> content and start interacting with it. I have to press VO-Shift-Down Arrow >> to start interacting with it. The second issue is not that bad, but just a >> little annoying. >> I sure would like to know if I can get Safari to open only my home page and >> not all the tabs and windows I had open the last time before quitting Safari. >> >> On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:52 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >> >>> I wholeheartedly agree with Chris here. Calm down, folks. If there's an >>> issue, first check if there's a solution or workaround for the thing, if >>> not, ask a question here, after the frustration has settled, and if that >>> doesn't help, write a polite letter to Apples Accessibility team. I've got >>> a couple issues i'm investigating now, one of them are on-topic here, and >>> it's about how i go about having Safari not to open all the pages i had up >>> last every time i open a new page. It makes sense when first starting >>> Safari directly, but if there's a page i want to read, i don't want to have >>> to close all the other pages that pop up and taking focus away from the >>> page i want to read. Surely there must be a setting somewhere, only i can't >>> find it. >>> /Krister >>> >>> 23 jul 2011 kl. 03:39 skrev Chris Westbrook: >>> And in case anyone actually cares, this has nothing to do with vo or lion. The reason Jaws won't download on safari is that by default, freedom scientific offers direct ftp links to their downloads and safari apparently can't handle direct ftp links. If you REALLY want to download Jaws from a mac, FS offers a page for http downloads. Frankly, the whole item chooser thing really doesn't bother me much as the web roder has always worked for me and that is for the web. I am glad I upgraded, and I'm even getting used to the new mail. I think we all just need to calm down a bit. As far as apple not caring, just because they don't talk to us doesn't mean they don't care. They don't talk to anyone, it's as simple as that. Missy, I really hope you get your power situation straightened out, but I don't think that is a lion issue either. Calm down everyone. :) Chris Westbrook On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:29 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote: > Hi guys. > Just to add a little to what Carolyn said, it's been two days since Lion > came out so don't expect these problems to just magically go away. > If they are making some of you guys that angry, switch back to SL. It can > be done easily enough if you have a recent backup. > Email off list please if you need help doing this seeing as this is > starting to become not VO related anymore. > Thanks and for those that need too, chill! > > On 2011-07-22, at 9:16 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: > >> Hi Chris: >> Do yourself and all of us a favor: >> Step away from the computer and chill for a while before writing a >> pointless rave like this. No one really needs to hear it. >> >> >> On Jul 22, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >> >>> Not exactly that anyone would really want! to download this, but, why >>> in the heck is it, that if I go to either >>> >>> http://www.freedomscientific.com >>> >>> Or: >>> >>> http://www.hj.com >>> >>> Take your pick, for one, I am finding the item chooser stuff hap
Re: Mail Impressions in Lion
Hi, I just want to say, thanks to the person who mentioned using the favorites bar. Its freaking amazing. lol. here's what you do, if the favorites bar is not already shown press command option shift H to show it. Now go to your mailbox table and interact. Navigate to the mailbox you want in favorites and press VO comma to mark the mailbox for drag and drop. Now stop interacting with the mailbox table and navigate to the favorites bar. It is near the toolbar btw, and press VO period to drop the mailbox into to the favorites bar. Now, you can press command plus the corresponding number to jump directly into the messages table for that mailbox no matter where you are in mail. You can double check what number your mailbox is by going to mailbox in the menu bar and opening the go to favorite mailbox sub menu. Even better, you can move messages from one mailbox to the next with a keystroke. When on the message you want to move all one needs to do is add control to the favorite mailbox command. for example, lets say my Macvisionaries mailbox is the first item in my favorites. It would be assigned the number 1 to to jump to it I would press command 1. Now lets say my gmail inbox was the 2nd item in favorites so it would be jumped to by pressing command 2. Now lets pretend I wanted to move a message from the macvisionaries mailbox to my gmail inbox. I would just have to be on said message and press command control 2. This is a really, really, cool feature. To remove a mailbox from the favorites bar you can't use the new drag and drop method. Here's how you do it though. Interact with the favorites bar and navigate to the mailbox you wish to remove. Now if your mouse cursor is not following your VO cursor you will need to press VO command F5 to move the mouse cursor to the VO cursor manually. After that, press VO command shift spacebar to do a mouse down. Now, stop interacting with the favorites bar and VO right arrow once to the mailbox table. Finally just press VO command shift spacebar to do a mouse up and you will hear Mail make a sound to indicate the mailbox was removed from favorites. Keep in mind, if you don't have your mouse cursor set to follow your VO cursor, when you move to the mailbox you will have to move the cursor manually again with VO command spacebar. Btw, the keystrokes can be found in the menu bar under mailbox then explore the go to favorite mailbox sub menu and the Move To Favorite Mailbox submenu. hth Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 23, 2011, at 5:48 PM, Keith Watson wrote: Hi guys, Funny enough I have switched from using quick nab in mail to not using it. I now switch between my mailboxes and message area using the tab key and only use quick nab to have the messages in a thread read automatically when they don't. >> I find this to use much fewer key strokes and am glad Scott finally >> convinced me to do it this way. Keith On Jul 21, 2011, at 8:11 AM, David Taylor wrote: > Hi, > > I'm playing with the new layout too. I just use Quick Nav a lot more than I > used to in mail. I wonder if quite a few of the changes will make me default > to having quick nav switched on most of the time now. I certainly like the > way the preview is working for me as there are quite a few messages I would > probably have opened before that I am not doing now. > > Cheers > Dave > > On 21 Jul 2011, at 11:56, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi All, >> I wanted to give my impressions of the new OS X Mail, which I'm slowly >> coming to grips with. I've decided to force myself to use it in the new >> layout, and have actually had some success with it. >> To begin with, the VoiceOver Getting started guide suggests using it with >> the VO cursor, and I have to agree. Doing it this way seems to be quite >> fast, and is working quite well for me. You can jump quickly between the >> table of messages and the message proper with vo-j. >> Conversations can either be expanded or not, depending on whether you need >> to work with the individual messages in them. By default it seems the focus >> is on the first unread message of every conversation, and they are displayed >> in reverse-chronological order, which makes sense to me as you're likely to >> be concerned with the recent messages over the older ones. >> Attachments work pretty much as they always have. You'll find a popup >> button in the message headers allowing you to save them, and a Quick-look >> button allowing you to preview them. This all requires the VO cursor for >> navigation, of course, but thus far I've had no real problems with it and in >> fact it is quite similar to how I used mail in SL. >> I hope you all give the new Mail a chance to work as intended before >> immediately jumping into the classic layout, as effective as that still is. >> Best, >> Zack. >> >> -- >> You received this message because y
Re: The Mac Version Of Sendspace and a question
Actually, I use it all the time. There's a little trick. Go in your menu bar then go to options. What we need isn't under the preferences, so hold on. Now under the options menu, go to voiceover compatibility mode. You'll be asked to restart the wizard. Go head and do so. Now, the buttons will still be unlabeled, so vo navigation won't really be practical, but, here me out on this. Command+D=download file address bar. Command+U I think it is, look up in your menu bar, is to upload a file Command+L=local file browser Command+R=Remote file browser Command+T=Transfers list There's a few more in your menu bar. You'll just have to explore. The other thing is, when uploading a file, when you're placed on the text boxes for description recippient's e-mail address, password, etc. be aware, your cursor won't really be there, even if cursor tracking is on. To fix this, you have to route your mose with command+Vo+F5, then click with vo+shift+space. The other thing is, when you hit command l, or r for local or remote, you['ll land on a table, but then you have to interact, then start vo+up or down arrowing to see the content. Finally, if on a file/folder in remote, or local, to get to the context menu for it, you've literally got to route the mouse with vo+command+F5, then control+literally click the mouse. I'd say Sendspace wizard has a lot of accessibility work to do, but, believe me, it's doable. I use it quite regularly, so write me off list at: clgillan...@gmail.com if you need help. I promise you once voiceover compatibility mode is turned on, it does indeed work. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Paul Henrichsen" To: Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 2:19 AM Subject: The Mac Version Of Sendspace and a question Hi. Can the Mac Version Of sendspace be made to work? It looks like one would have to label the buttons. Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Making an Install Flash Drive for Lion: Tutorial Link
Hi Teresa and list, Am 24.07.2011 um 08:03 schrieb Teresa Cochran: > I saw a few questions on this list about this, so I looked it up. Here's a > link. Note that it's geared more toward sighted users, but basically it > involves taking the .dmg file and working with it in Disc Utility. > http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-make-your-own-os-x-lion-bootable-usb-flash-drive-tutorial/ Quite interesting. The only issue: There is no Lion file in my application folder. Do you have an idea what to do then? Thanks and all the best Jürgen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: getting additional voices in different languages
Hey Priscilla. If you have Lion, you can download several voices that speak other languages. These voices are free. If you're still running Snow Leopard, you can find voices from Acapela that speak in different languages on assistiveware's website. The voices are free for 30 days, and then they cost around $100 after the 30 days. HTH. Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: battery life in my MacBook Pro
Yes, this is precisely what I reported to the group on Friday. My battery life has been cut in half, and I know of at least two other people who are experiencing this. My macbook pro is the 2011 model, and where I used to get at least 8 hours battery life under SL, I'm now lucky to get four with lion. If you have an opportunity, please report this problem to Apple. When I called it in on Friday, the rep I talked to was willing to help, but acted as though nobody had ever reported such an issue before. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shen Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 3:07 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: battery life in my MacBook Pro OK, before any of you are a bit trigger happy with the reply button, let me preface this message by saying that I understand battery life is not something that is easy to calculate. Each minute your MacBook can be doing different things and the power draw from the battery is not consistent. Having said that, I am somewhat convinced the battery life for my MacBook using Lion is now somewhat less than when I had Snow Leopard. I cannot prove it of course with easily reproduced steps. But at the moment, as I am writing this email, my battery status says 20-percent, an hour and 18 minutes remaining. If we calculate this up to 100-percent, we know this battery will last 390 minutes. I of course don't know what the battery life would calculate to be if everything is the same, and I am writing this email under SL instead of Lion. But what I do know is that under SL, my battery can give me 10 plus hours of nonstop usage. This is doing anything but running Safari. I have mid-2010 MacBook Pro. Again, I am not saying the battery life is definitely less, but it certainly feels that way. Especially when my laptop seems to run a little more warm than it has been in the past. I am not seeking any answers. I just want to bring this to your attention so you can be aware of your MacBook's battery life under Lion. I imagine this has a lot to do with what some people are saying about the Spotlight. Lion probably has a new way of indexing the files in your system and is caching it more actively than SL. I am not in panic mode yet. I am quite sure Apple will come out with an update to improve the battery life. For the meantime, I cannot expect the 10-hours of battery life I had before running SL. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: battery life in my MacBook Pro
Hi, are all your energy and display settings the same? IDK, maybe the rep really hadn't encountered such a call. Having ones battery life cut clean in half is probably something only experienced by a very small number of people who upgraded to Lion. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 24, 2011, at 6:13 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: Yes, this is precisely what I reported to the group on Friday. My battery life has been cut in half, and I know of at least two other people who are experiencing this. My macbook pro is the 2011 model, and where I used to get at least 8 hours battery life under SL, I'm now lucky to get four with lion. If you have an opportunity, please report this problem to Apple. When I called it in on Friday, the rep I talked to was willing to help, but acted as though nobody had ever reported such an issue before. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shen Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 3:07 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: battery life in my MacBook Pro OK, before any of you are a bit trigger happy with the reply button, let me preface this message by saying that I understand battery life is not something that is easy to calculate. Each minute your MacBook can be doing different things and the power draw from the battery is not consistent. Having said that, I am somewhat convinced the battery life for my MacBook using Lion is now somewhat less than when I had Snow Leopard. I cannot prove it of course with easily reproduced steps. But at the moment, as I am writing this email, my battery status says 20-percent, an hour and 18 minutes remaining. If we calculate this up to 100-percent, we know this battery will last 390 minutes. I of course don't know what the battery life would calculate to be if everything is the same, and I am writing this email under SL instead of Lion. But what I do know is that under SL, my battery can give me 10 plus hours of nonstop usage. This is doing anything but running Safari. I have mid-2010 MacBook Pro. Again, I am not saying the battery life is definitely less, but it certainly feels that way. Especially when my laptop seems to run a little more warm than it has been in the past. I am not seeking any answers. I just want to bring this to your attention so you can be aware of your MacBook's battery life under Lion. I imagine this has a lot to do with what some people are saying about the Spotlight. Lion probably has a new way of indexing the files in your system and is caching it more actively than SL. I am not in panic mode yet. I am quite sure Apple will come out with an update to improve the battery life. For the meantime, I cannot expect the 10-hours of battery life I had before running SL. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Totally bizarre finding with Safari 5.1 in Lion
23 jul 2011 kl. 20:28 skrev Teresa Cochran: > In the history menu in Safari, uncheck "Reopen all windows from last session". > It's unchecked, same problem anyways. /Krister -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: battery life in my MacBook Pro
Yes, everything is absolutely identical to the way it was set in SL. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 6:35 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: battery life in my MacBook Pro Hi, are all your energy and display settings the same? IDK, maybe the rep really hadn't encountered such a call. Having ones battery life cut clean in half is probably something only experienced by a very small number of people who upgraded to Lion. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 24, 2011, at 6:13 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: Yes, this is precisely what I reported to the group on Friday. My battery life has been cut in half, and I know of at least two other people who are experiencing this. My macbook pro is the 2011 model, and where I used to get at least 8 hours battery life under SL, I'm now lucky to get four with lion. If you have an opportunity, please report this problem to Apple. When I called it in on Friday, the rep I talked to was willing to help, but acted as though nobody had ever reported such an issue before. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shen Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 3:07 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: battery life in my MacBook Pro OK, before any of you are a bit trigger happy with the reply button, let me preface this message by saying that I understand battery life is not something that is easy to calculate. Each minute your MacBook can be doing different things and the power draw from the battery is not consistent. Having said that, I am somewhat convinced the battery life for my MacBook using Lion is now somewhat less than when I had Snow Leopard. I cannot prove it of course with easily reproduced steps. But at the moment, as I am writing this email, my battery status says 20-percent, an hour and 18 minutes remaining. If we calculate this up to 100-percent, we know this battery will last 390 minutes. I of course don't know what the battery life would calculate to be if everything is the same, and I am writing this email under SL instead of Lion. But what I do know is that under SL, my battery can give me 10 plus hours of nonstop usage. This is doing anything but running Safari. I have mid-2010 MacBook Pro. Again, I am not saying the battery life is definitely less, but it certainly feels that way. Especially when my laptop seems to run a little more warm than it has been in the past. I am not seeking any answers. I just want to bring this to your attention so you can be aware of your MacBook's battery life under Lion. I imagine this has a lot to do with what some people are saying about the Spotlight. Lion probably has a new way of indexing the files in your system and is caching it more actively than SL. I am not in panic mode yet. I am quite sure Apple will come out with an update to improve the battery life. For the meantime, I cannot expect the 10-hours of battery life I had before running SL. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: battery life in my MacBook Pro
Ah! Ok. Next you will want to go to your utilities folder found in your applications folder and open up activity monitor. Check the table to see if there is a process that is eating a large percentage of your computer resources. If you find such a process, you can go to the toolbar and quit it. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 24, 2011, at 6:41 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: Yes, everything is absolutely identical to the way it was set in SL. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 6:35 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: battery life in my MacBook Pro Hi, are all your energy and display settings the same? IDK, maybe the rep really hadn't encountered such a call. Having ones battery life cut clean in half is probably something only experienced by a very small number of people who upgraded to Lion. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 24, 2011, at 6:13 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: Yes, this is precisely what I reported to the group on Friday. My battery life has been cut in half, and I know of at least two other people who are experiencing this. My macbook pro is the 2011 model, and where I used to get at least 8 hours battery life under SL, I'm now lucky to get four with lion. If you have an opportunity, please report this problem to Apple. When I called it in on Friday, the rep I talked to was willing to help, but acted as though nobody had ever reported such an issue before. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shen Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 3:07 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: battery life in my MacBook Pro OK, before any of you are a bit trigger happy with the reply button, let me preface this message by saying that I understand battery life is not something that is easy to calculate. Each minute your MacBook can be doing different things and the power draw from the battery is not consistent. Having said that, I am somewhat convinced the battery life for my MacBook using Lion is now somewhat less than when I had Snow Leopard. I cannot prove it of course with easily reproduced steps. But at the moment, as I am writing this email, my battery status says 20-percent, an hour and 18 minutes remaining. If we calculate this up to 100-percent, we know this battery will last 390 minutes. I of course don't know what the battery life would calculate to be if everything is the same, and I am writing this email under SL instead of Lion. But what I do know is that under SL, my battery can give me 10 plus hours of nonstop usage. This is doing anything but running Safari. I have mid-2010 MacBook Pro. Again, I am not saying the battery life is definitely less, but it certainly feels that way. Especially when my laptop seems to run a little more warm than it has been in the past. I am not seeking any answers. I just want to bring this to your attention so you can be aware of your MacBook's battery life under Lion. I imagine this has a lot to do with what some people are saying about the Spotlight. Lion probably has a new way of indexing the files in your system and is caching it more actively than SL. I am not in panic mode yet. I am quite sure Apple will come out with an update to improve the battery life. For the meantime, I cannot expect the 10-hours of battery life I had before running SL. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this
Re: Totally bizarre finding with Safari 5.1 in Lion
Hi, There has to be a good way of doing this, otherwise, it feels like a real deal breaker and one i don't understand the point with. Why would i want to look at pages i've looked at before, unless ofcorse it's something very important i forgot to do on the page or something. If the latest page got focus, it may not be so bad, but it's always the earlier pages that has focus. /Krister 23 jul 2011 kl. 21:57 skrev Shen: > Teresa, > I saw that too, but it's not a checkbox. It's an option that lets Safari open > all the windows from the last session. > So that doesn't work. > Looks like 1 way of doing this is when I am done and about to quit Safari, > close all tabs and windows, then open my home page, then quit. > I can't imagine there is no way to just open the home page instead of all > windows from last session. Otherwise, what's the point of a home page? > > On Jul 23, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > >> In the history menu in Safari, uncheck "Reopen all windows from last >> session". >> >> HTH, >> Teresa >> On Jul 23, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Shen wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> Yes, you and I are having the same issue. Whenever I open Safari, I prefer >>> to have only my hope page open. But for some reason, it is now opening all >>> the pages I had open the last time I quite Safari. As far as I can find, >>> there is no setting to change that. The other little quirk I have is >>> whenever a page is done loading, VoiceOver doesn't always put me in the >>> html content and start interacting with it. I have to press VO-Shift-Down >>> Arrow to start interacting with it. The second issue is not that bad, but >>> just a little annoying. >>> I sure would like to know if I can get Safari to open only my home page and >>> not all the tabs and windows I had open the last time before quitting >>> Safari. >>> >>> On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:52 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >>> I wholeheartedly agree with Chris here. Calm down, folks. If there's an issue, first check if there's a solution or workaround for the thing, if not, ask a question here, after the frustration has settled, and if that doesn't help, write a polite letter to Apples Accessibility team. I've got a couple issues i'm investigating now, one of them are on-topic here, and it's about how i go about having Safari not to open all the pages i had up last every time i open a new page. It makes sense when first starting Safari directly, but if there's a page i want to read, i don't want to have to close all the other pages that pop up and taking focus away from the page i want to read. Surely there must be a setting somewhere, only i can't find it. /Krister 23 jul 2011 kl. 03:39 skrev Chris Westbrook: > And in case anyone actually cares, this has nothing to do with vo or > lion. The reason Jaws won't download on safari is that by default, > freedom scientific offers direct ftp links to their downloads and safari > apparently can't handle direct ftp links. If you REALLY want to download > Jaws from a mac, FS offers a page for http downloads. Frankly, the whole > item chooser thing really doesn't bother me much as the web roder has > always worked for me and that is for the web. I am glad I upgraded, and > I'm even getting used to the new mail. I think we all just need to calm > down a bit. As far as apple not caring, just because they don't talk to > us doesn't mean they don't care. They don't talk to anyone, it's as > simple as that. Missy, I really hope you get your power situation > straightened out, but I don't think that is a lion issue either. Calm > down everyone. :) > Chris Westbrook > > > > > On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:29 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote: > >> Hi guys. >> Just to add a little to what Carolyn said, it's been two days since Lion >> came out so don't expect these problems to just magically go away. >> If they are making some of you guys that angry, switch back to SL. It >> can be done easily enough if you have a recent backup. >> Email off list please if you need help doing this seeing as this is >> starting to become not VO related anymore. >> Thanks and for those that need too, chill! >> >> On 2011-07-22, at 9:16 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: >> >>> Hi Chris: >>> Do yourself and all of us a favor: >>> Step away from the computer and chill for a while before writing a >>> pointless rave like this. No one really needs to hear it. >>> >>> >>> On Jul 22, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >>> Not exactly that anyone would really want! to download this, but, why in the heck is it, that if I go to either http://www.freedomscientific.com Or: http://www.hj.com
Re: Totally bizarre finding with Safari 5.1 in Lion
Sorry for my total ignorance here, but i can't understand the point, even for a sighted person to have all windows from last session or even earlier sessions opened. I mean yes, if Safari has crashed, then it might be a good idea to reopen all windows from last session but why always? It would make sence if earlier windows opened in tabs, but like this? I just don't get it. /Krister 24 jul 2011 kl. 00:23 skrev Tim Kilburn: > Hi, > > John is correct. As mentioned in a separate thread, you can use the > cmd-option-q which will Quit and Discard Windows, thus allowing you to > startup Safari from your Homepage. Alternatively, you can go into your > system Preferences, select the General pane and uncheck the box for > Recovering Windows. It sometimes doesn't take effect right away, but it > will. If you have problems with this, please repost and someone will assist. > > Later… > > On 2011-07-23, at 2:11 PM, John Panarese wrote: > >> Have you tried quitting Safari with, option-command-q instead of just >> command-q? I believe this will close all of the active Safari Windows and >> will not have them open next time you start Safari. >> >> Take Care >> >> John Panarese >> jpanar...@gmail.com >> >> >> >> On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Shen wrote: >> >>> Teresa, >>> I saw that too, but it's not a checkbox. It's an option that lets Safari >>> open all the windows from the last session. >>> So that doesn't work. >>> Looks like 1 way of doing this is when I am done and about to quit Safari, >>> close all tabs and windows, then open my home page, then quit. >>> I can't imagine there is no way to just open the home page instead of all >>> windows from last session. Otherwise, what's the point of a home page? >>> >>> On Jul 23, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: >>> In the history menu in Safari, uncheck "Reopen all windows from last session". HTH, Teresa On Jul 23, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Shen wrote: > Hello, > Yes, you and I are having the same issue. Whenever I open Safari, I > prefer to have only my hope page open. But for some reason, it is now > opening all the pages I had open the last time I quite Safari. As far as > I can find, there is no setting to change that. The other little quirk I > have is whenever a page is done loading, VoiceOver doesn't always put me > in the html content and start interacting with it. I have to press > VO-Shift-Down Arrow to start interacting with it. The second issue is not > that bad, but just a little annoying. > I sure would like to know if I can get Safari to open only my home page > and not all the tabs and windows I had open the last time before quitting > Safari. > > On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:52 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > >> I wholeheartedly agree with Chris here. Calm down, folks. If there's an >> issue, first check if there's a solution or workaround for the thing, if >> not, ask a question here, after the frustration has settled, and if that >> doesn't help, write a polite letter to Apples Accessibility team. I've >> got a couple issues i'm investigating now, one of them are on-topic >> here, and it's about how i go about having Safari not to open all the >> pages i had up last every time i open a new page. It makes sense when >> first starting Safari directly, but if there's a page i want to read, i >> don't want to have to close all the other pages that pop up and taking >> focus away from the page i want to read. Surely there must be a setting >> somewhere, only i can't find it. >> /Krister >> >> 23 jul 2011 kl. 03:39 skrev Chris Westbrook: >> >>> And in case anyone actually cares, this has nothing to do with vo or >>> lion. The reason Jaws won't download on safari is that by default, >>> freedom scientific offers direct ftp links to their downloads and >>> safari apparently can't handle direct ftp links. If you REALLY want to >>> download Jaws from a mac, FS offers a page for http downloads. >>> Frankly, the whole item chooser thing really doesn't bother me much as >>> the web roder has always worked for me and that is for the web. I am >>> glad I upgraded, and I'm even getting used to the new mail. I think we >>> all just need to calm down a bit. As far as apple not caring, just >>> because they don't talk to us doesn't mean they don't care. They don't >>> talk to anyone, it's as simple as that. Missy, I really hope you get >>> your power situation straightened out, but I don't think that is a lion >>> issue either. Calm down everyone. :) >>> Chris Westbrook >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:29 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote: >>> Hi guys. Just to add a little to what Carolyn said, it's been two days since Lion came out so d
Re: Totally bizarre finding with Safari 5.1 in Lion
Dear Krister, This change impacts everybody, sighted or not. It's an artifact of Lion's resume feature, as has been previously said. The difference with sighted people is that they can click on windows to move between them quickly. We have a few choices for emulating this, including the window chooser (vo-f2 f2) and the Apple shortcut cmd-`. FInally, we have Mission Control, the same as sighted people, so could use that as well if we wanted to. THis change really shouldn't be a deal breaker for anybody, it takes a few seconds at most to switch pages, and I have trouble imagining a setting where a few seconds is absolutely essential. Best, Zack. On Jul 24, 2011, at 3:45 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > Hi, > There has to be a good way of doing this, otherwise, it feels like a real > deal breaker and one i don't understand the point with. Why would i want to > look at pages i've looked at before, unless ofcorse it's something very > important i forgot to do on the page or something. > If the latest page got focus, it may not be so bad, but it's always the > earlier pages that has focus. > /Krister > > 23 jul 2011 kl. 21:57 skrev Shen: > >> Teresa, >> I saw that too, but it's not a checkbox. It's an option that lets Safari >> open all the windows from the last session. >> So that doesn't work. >> Looks like 1 way of doing this is when I am done and about to quit Safari, >> close all tabs and windows, then open my home page, then quit. >> I can't imagine there is no way to just open the home page instead of all >> windows from last session. Otherwise, what's the point of a home page? >> >> On Jul 23, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: >> >>> In the history menu in Safari, uncheck "Reopen all windows from last >>> session". >>> >>> HTH, >>> Teresa >>> On Jul 23, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Shen wrote: >>> Hello, Yes, you and I are having the same issue. Whenever I open Safari, I prefer to have only my hope page open. But for some reason, it is now opening all the pages I had open the last time I quite Safari. As far as I can find, there is no setting to change that. The other little quirk I have is whenever a page is done loading, VoiceOver doesn't always put me in the html content and start interacting with it. I have to press VO-Shift-Down Arrow to start interacting with it. The second issue is not that bad, but just a little annoying. I sure would like to know if I can get Safari to open only my home page and not all the tabs and windows I had open the last time before quitting Safari. On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:52 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > I wholeheartedly agree with Chris here. Calm down, folks. If there's an > issue, first check if there's a solution or workaround for the thing, if > not, ask a question here, after the frustration has settled, and if that > doesn't help, write a polite letter to Apples Accessibility team. I've > got a couple issues i'm investigating now, one of them are on-topic here, > and it's about how i go about having Safari not to open all the pages i > had up last every time i open a new page. It makes sense when first > starting Safari directly, but if there's a page i want to read, i don't > want to have to close all the other pages that pop up and taking focus > away from the page i want to read. Surely there must be a setting > somewhere, only i can't find it. > /Krister > > 23 jul 2011 kl. 03:39 skrev Chris Westbrook: > >> And in case anyone actually cares, this has nothing to do with vo or >> lion. The reason Jaws won't download on safari is that by default, >> freedom scientific offers direct ftp links to their downloads and safari >> apparently can't handle direct ftp links. If you REALLY want to >> download Jaws from a mac, FS offers a page for http downloads. Frankly, >> the whole item chooser thing really doesn't bother me much as the web >> roder has always worked for me and that is for the web. I am glad I >> upgraded, and I'm even getting used to the new mail. I think we all >> just need to calm down a bit. As far as apple not caring, just because >> they don't talk to us doesn't mean they don't care. They don't talk to >> anyone, it's as simple as that. Missy, I really hope you get your power >> situation straightened out, but I don't think that is a lion issue >> either. Calm down everyone. :) >> Chris Westbrook >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:29 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote: >> >>> Hi guys. >>> Just to add a little to what Carolyn said, it's been two days since >>> Lion came out so don't expect these problems to just magically go away. >>> If they are making some of you guys that angry, switch back to SL. It >>> can be done easily enough if you have a recent ba
Re: Totally bizarre finding with Safari 5.1 in Lion
24 jul 2011 kl. 00:59 skrev Andre Nuno Soares: > In Snow Leopard, Safari 5.1 now has the option in Preferences, General, > "Safari opens with" that you can set to: > "All windows from last session" or > "A new window". This option isn't there under Lion, at least not in my Safari. Now this is really starting to piss me off. /Krister -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Totally bizarre finding with Safari 5.1 in Lion
I don't understand. a few seconds every time you open safari could add up to minutes over weeks, and hours over months. If its a setting you don't like, and don't use, it might not end up being a deal breaker but, it would be annoying as hell. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 24, 2011, at 6:54 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: Dear Krister, This change impacts everybody, sighted or not. It's an artifact of Lion's resume feature, as has been previously said. The difference with sighted people is that they can click on windows to move between them quickly. We have a few choices for emulating this, including the window chooser (vo-f2 f2) and the Apple shortcut cmd-`. FInally, we have Mission Control, the same as sighted people, so could use that as well if we wanted to. THis change really shouldn't be a deal breaker for anybody, it takes a few seconds at most to switch pages, and I have trouble imagining a setting where a few seconds is absolutely essential. Best, Zack. On Jul 24, 2011, at 3:45 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > Hi, > There has to be a good way of doing this, otherwise, it feels like a real > deal breaker and one i don't understand the point with. Why would i want to > look at pages i've looked at before, unless ofcorse it's something very > important i forgot to do on the page or something. > If the latest page got focus, it may not be so bad, but it's always the > earlier pages that has focus. > /Krister > > 23 jul 2011 kl. 21:57 skrev Shen: > >> Teresa, >> I saw that too, but it's not a checkbox. It's an option that lets Safari >> open all the windows from the last session. >> So that doesn't work. >> Looks like 1 way of doing this is when I am done and about to quit Safari, >> close all tabs and windows, then open my home page, then quit. >> I can't imagine there is no way to just open the home page instead of all >> windows from last session. Otherwise, what's the point of a home page? >> >> On Jul 23, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: >> >>> In the history menu in Safari, uncheck "Reopen all windows from last >>> session". >>> >>> HTH, >>> Teresa >>> On Jul 23, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Shen wrote: >>> Hello, Yes, you and I are having the same issue. Whenever I open Safari, I prefer to have only my hope page open. But for some reason, it is now opening all the pages I had open the last time I quite Safari. As far as I can find, there is no setting to change that. The other little quirk I have is whenever a page is done loading, VoiceOver doesn't always put me in the html content and start interacting with it. I have to press VO-Shift-Down Arrow to start interacting with it. The second issue is not that bad, but just a little annoying. I sure would like to know if I can get Safari to open only my home page and not all the tabs and windows I had open the last time before quitting Safari. On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:52 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > I wholeheartedly agree with Chris here. Calm down, folks. If there's an > issue, first check if there's a solution or workaround for the thing, if > not, ask a question here, after the frustration has settled, and if that > doesn't help, write a polite letter to Apples Accessibility team. I've > got a couple issues i'm investigating now, one of them are on-topic here, > and it's about how i go about having Safari not to open all the pages i > had up last every time i open a new page. It makes sense when first > starting Safari directly, but if there's a page i want to read, i don't > want to have to close all the other pages that pop up and taking focus > away from the page i want to read. Surely there must be a setting > somewhere, only i can't find it. > /Krister > > 23 jul 2011 kl. 03:39 skrev Chris Westbrook: > >> And in case anyone actually cares, this has nothing to do with vo or >> lion. The reason Jaws won't download on safari is that by default, >> freedom scientific offers direct ftp links to their downloads and safari >> apparently can't handle direct ftp links. If you REALLY want to >> download Jaws from a mac, FS offers a page for http downloads. Frankly, >> the whole item chooser thing really doesn't bother me much as the web >> roder has always worked for me and that is for the web. I am glad I >> upgraded, and I'm even getting used to the new mail. I think we all >> just need to calm down a bit. As far as apple not caring, just because >> they don't talk to us doesn't mean they don't care. They don't talk to >> anyone, it's as simple as that. Missy, I really hope you get your power >> situation straightened out, but I don't think that is a lion issue >> either. Calm down everyone. :) >> Chris Westbrook >> >> >>
Re: Totally bizarre finding with Safari 5.1 in Lion
Mmm, true, but on the IPhone, there's a button you'll have to press in order to see other pages than the one that has focus, and the focused page is the one that's opened last. Oh well, cmd+opt+q seems to be my best friend at the moment… Btw, the one question we haven't asked in our frustration is how does one jump between pages that are opened? /Krister 24 jul 2011 kl. 02:14 skrev John Panarese: > Keep in mind that Lion resembles iOS. The look and feel of Lion is > intended to be like the iPhone or iPad. For example, the new view in mail is > like what one finds on the iPad. So, the applications are going to start to > be like those we find in the iOS environment. > > Take Care > > John Panarese > jpanar...@gmail.com > > > > On Jul 23, 2011, at 6:53 PM, Shen wrote: > >> Hi, >> Thanks for that tip, I will remember to do that from now on. Although I >> really don't understand why Apple would change this behavior from before. >> And there is no option under Safari menu to close all windows and quit. >> I think this is going to be a problem. Say you go to a website, and for some >> reason, Safari crashes, and it is not responding. This has happened to me >> more often with Safari than any other browser I've used. >> You need to force quit Safari in order to close it. The next time you open >> Safari, guess what, it's going to open the last page it had, which is the >> page that crashed, you are stuck. >> Unless there is a way to open Safari without opening any windows, similar to >> the way if you hold down the Options key while opening iTunes, you will be >> prompted for a library. >> I tried this, no luck. >> >> >> On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:23 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> John is correct. As mentioned in a separate thread, you can use the >>> cmd-option-q which will Quit and Discard Windows, thus allowing you to >>> startup Safari from your Homepage. Alternatively, you can go into your >>> system Preferences, select the General pane and uncheck the box for >>> Recovering Windows. It sometimes doesn't take effect right away, but it >>> will. If you have problems with this, please repost and someone will >>> assist. >>> >>> Later… >>> >>> On 2011-07-23, at 2:11 PM, John Panarese wrote: >>> Have you tried quitting Safari with, option-command-q instead of just command-q? I believe this will close all of the active Safari Windows and will not have them open next time you start Safari. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Shen wrote: > Teresa, > I saw that too, but it's not a checkbox. It's an option that lets Safari > open all the windows from the last session. > So that doesn't work. > Looks like 1 way of doing this is when I am done and about to quit > Safari, close all tabs and windows, then open my home page, then quit. > I can't imagine there is no way to just open the home page instead of all > windows from last session. Otherwise, what's the point of a home page? > > On Jul 23, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > >> In the history menu in Safari, uncheck "Reopen all windows from last >> session". >> >> HTH, >> Teresa >> On Jul 23, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Shen wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> Yes, you and I are having the same issue. Whenever I open Safari, I >>> prefer to have only my hope page open. But for some reason, it is now >>> opening all the pages I had open the last time I quite Safari. As far >>> as I can find, there is no setting to change that. The other little >>> quirk I have is whenever a page is done loading, VoiceOver doesn't >>> always put me in the html content and start interacting with it. I have >>> to press VO-Shift-Down Arrow to start interacting with it. The second >>> issue is not that bad, but just a little annoying. >>> I sure would like to know if I can get Safari to open only my home page >>> and not all the tabs and windows I had open the last time before >>> quitting Safari. >>> >>> On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:52 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >>> I wholeheartedly agree with Chris here. Calm down, folks. If there's an issue, first check if there's a solution or workaround for the thing, if not, ask a question here, after the frustration has settled, and if that doesn't help, write a polite letter to Apples Accessibility team. I've got a couple issues i'm investigating now, one of them are on-topic here, and it's about how i go about having Safari not to open all the pages i had up last every time i open a new page. It makes sense when first starting Safari directly, but if there's a page i want to read, i don't want to have to close all the other pages that pop up and taking focus
Re: Totally bizarre finding with Safari 5.1 in Lion
The same way its always been done. At least since Leopard when I started using a Mac, command accent. hth Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 24, 2011, at 7:02 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Mmm, true, but on the IPhone, there's a button you'll have to press in order to see other pages than the one that has focus, and the focused page is the one that's opened last. Oh well, cmd+opt+q seems to be my best friend at the moment… Btw, the one question we haven't asked in our frustration is how does one jump between pages that are opened? /Krister 24 jul 2011 kl. 02:14 skrev John Panarese: > Keep in mind that Lion resembles iOS. The look and feel of Lion is intended > to be like the iPhone or iPad. For example, the new view in mail is like > what one finds on the iPad. So, the applications are going to start to be > like those we find in the iOS environment. > > Take Care > > John Panarese > jpanar...@gmail.com > > > > On Jul 23, 2011, at 6:53 PM, Shen wrote: > >> Hi, >> Thanks for that tip, I will remember to do that from now on. Although I >> really don't understand why Apple would change this behavior from before. >> And there is no option under Safari menu to close all windows and quit. >> I think this is going to be a problem. Say you go to a website, and for some >> reason, Safari crashes, and it is not responding. This has happened to me >> more often with Safari than any other browser I've used. >> You need to force quit Safari in order to close it. The next time you open >> Safari, guess what, it's going to open the last page it had, which is the >> page that crashed, you are stuck. >> Unless there is a way to open Safari without opening any windows, similar to >> the way if you hold down the Options key while opening iTunes, you will be >> prompted for a library. >> I tried this, no luck. >> >> >> On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:23 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> John is correct. As mentioned in a separate thread, you can use the >>> cmd-option-q which will Quit and Discard Windows, thus allowing you to >>> startup Safari from your Homepage. Alternatively, you can go into your >>> system Preferences, select the General pane and uncheck the box for >>> Recovering Windows. It sometimes doesn't take effect right away, but it >>> will. If you have problems with this, please repost and someone will >>> assist. >>> >>> Later… >>> >>> On 2011-07-23, at 2:11 PM, John Panarese wrote: >>> Have you tried quitting Safari with, option-command-q instead of just command-q? I believe this will close all of the active Safari Windows and will not have them open next time you start Safari. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Shen wrote: > Teresa, > I saw that too, but it's not a checkbox. It's an option that lets Safari > open all the windows from the last session. > So that doesn't work. > Looks like 1 way of doing this is when I am done and about to quit > Safari, close all tabs and windows, then open my home page, then quit. > I can't imagine there is no way to just open the home page instead of all > windows from last session. Otherwise, what's the point of a home page? > > On Jul 23, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > >> In the history menu in Safari, uncheck "Reopen all windows from last >> session". >> >> HTH, >> Teresa >> On Jul 23, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Shen wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> Yes, you and I are having the same issue. Whenever I open Safari, I >>> prefer to have only my hope page open. But for some reason, it is now >>> opening all the pages I had open the last time I quite Safari. As far >>> as I can find, there is no setting to change that. The other little >>> quirk I have is whenever a page is done loading, VoiceOver doesn't >>> always put me in the html content and start interacting with it. I have >>> to press VO-Shift-Down Arrow to start interacting with it. The second >>> issue is not that bad, but just a little annoying. >>> I sure would like to know if I can get Safari to open only my home page >>> and not all the tabs and windows I had open the last time before >>> quitting Safari. >>> >>> On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:52 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >>> I wholeheartedly agree with Chris here. Calm down, folks. If there's an issue, first check if there's a solution or workaround for the thing, if not, ask a question here, after the frustration has settled, and if that doesn't help, write a polite letter to Apples Accessibility team. I've got a couple issues i'm investigating now, one of them are on-topic here, and it's about how i go about having Safari not to open all the
Re: Totally bizarre finding with Safari 5.1 in Lion
Hi, No, you're right, of course. I just got a bit ahem carried away when i saw that the page i opened last didn't get focus. I guess it's just a matter of getting used to and work around if necessary. Btw, anyone messed with the mission control and found out what can be done in it? /Krister 24 jul 2011 kl. 12:54 skrev Zachary Kline: > Dear Krister, > This change impacts everybody, sighted or not. It's an artifact of Lion's > resume feature, as has been previously said. The difference with sighted > people is that they can click on windows to move between them quickly. We > have a few choices for emulating this, including the window chooser (vo-f2 > f2) and the Apple shortcut cmd-`. FInally, we have Mission Control, the same > as sighted people, so could use that as well if we wanted to. THis change > really shouldn't be a deal breaker for anybody, it takes a few seconds at > most to switch pages, and I have trouble imagining a setting where a few > seconds is absolutely essential. > Best, > Zack. > On Jul 24, 2011, at 3:45 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > >> Hi, >> There has to be a good way of doing this, otherwise, it feels like a real >> deal breaker and one i don't understand the point with. Why would i want to >> look at pages i've looked at before, unless ofcorse it's something very >> important i forgot to do on the page or something. >> If the latest page got focus, it may not be so bad, but it's always the >> earlier pages that has focus. >> /Krister >> >> 23 jul 2011 kl. 21:57 skrev Shen: >> >>> Teresa, >>> I saw that too, but it's not a checkbox. It's an option that lets Safari >>> open all the windows from the last session. >>> So that doesn't work. >>> Looks like 1 way of doing this is when I am done and about to quit Safari, >>> close all tabs and windows, then open my home page, then quit. >>> I can't imagine there is no way to just open the home page instead of all >>> windows from last session. Otherwise, what's the point of a home page? >>> >>> On Jul 23, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: >>> In the history menu in Safari, uncheck "Reopen all windows from last session". HTH, Teresa On Jul 23, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Shen wrote: > Hello, > Yes, you and I are having the same issue. Whenever I open Safari, I > prefer to have only my hope page open. But for some reason, it is now > opening all the pages I had open the last time I quite Safari. As far as > I can find, there is no setting to change that. The other little quirk I > have is whenever a page is done loading, VoiceOver doesn't always put me > in the html content and start interacting with it. I have to press > VO-Shift-Down Arrow to start interacting with it. The second issue is not > that bad, but just a little annoying. > I sure would like to know if I can get Safari to open only my home page > and not all the tabs and windows I had open the last time before quitting > Safari. > > On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:52 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > >> I wholeheartedly agree with Chris here. Calm down, folks. If there's an >> issue, first check if there's a solution or workaround for the thing, if >> not, ask a question here, after the frustration has settled, and if that >> doesn't help, write a polite letter to Apples Accessibility team. I've >> got a couple issues i'm investigating now, one of them are on-topic >> here, and it's about how i go about having Safari not to open all the >> pages i had up last every time i open a new page. It makes sense when >> first starting Safari directly, but if there's a page i want to read, i >> don't want to have to close all the other pages that pop up and taking >> focus away from the page i want to read. Surely there must be a setting >> somewhere, only i can't find it. >> /Krister >> >> 23 jul 2011 kl. 03:39 skrev Chris Westbrook: >> >>> And in case anyone actually cares, this has nothing to do with vo or >>> lion. The reason Jaws won't download on safari is that by default, >>> freedom scientific offers direct ftp links to their downloads and >>> safari apparently can't handle direct ftp links. If you REALLY want to >>> download Jaws from a mac, FS offers a page for http downloads. >>> Frankly, the whole item chooser thing really doesn't bother me much as >>> the web roder has always worked for me and that is for the web. I am >>> glad I upgraded, and I'm even getting used to the new mail. I think we >>> all just need to calm down a bit. As far as apple not caring, just >>> because they don't talk to us doesn't mean they don't care. They don't >>> talk to anyone, it's as simple as that. Missy, I really hope you get >>> your power situation straightened out, but I don't think that is a lion >>> issue either. Calm down everyone
Re: Totally bizarre finding with Safari 5.1 in Lion
If nothing else, do ctrl+tab, and that'll move you between the different pages opened in Safari. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Zachary Kline" To: Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 6:54 AM Subject: Re: Totally bizarre finding with Safari 5.1 in Lion Dear Krister, This change impacts everybody, sighted or not. It's an artifact of Lion's resume feature, as has been previously said. The difference with sighted people is that they can click on windows to move between them quickly. We have a few choices for emulating this, including the window chooser (vo-f2 f2) and the Apple shortcut cmd-`. FInally, we have Mission Control, the same as sighted people, so could use that as well if we wanted to. THis change really shouldn't be a deal breaker for anybody, it takes a few seconds at most to switch pages, and I have trouble imagining a setting where a few seconds is absolutely essential. Best, Zack. On Jul 24, 2011, at 3:45 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Hi, There has to be a good way of doing this, otherwise, it feels like a real deal breaker and one i don't understand the point with. Why would i want to look at pages i've looked at before, unless ofcorse it's something very important i forgot to do on the page or something. If the latest page got focus, it may not be so bad, but it's always the earlier pages that has focus. /Krister 23 jul 2011 kl. 21:57 skrev Shen: Teresa, I saw that too, but it's not a checkbox. It's an option that lets Safari open all the windows from the last session. So that doesn't work. Looks like 1 way of doing this is when I am done and about to quit Safari, close all tabs and windows, then open my home page, then quit. I can't imagine there is no way to just open the home page instead of all windows from last session. Otherwise, what's the point of a home page? On Jul 23, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: In the history menu in Safari, uncheck "Reopen all windows from last session". HTH, Teresa On Jul 23, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Shen wrote: Hello, Yes, you and I are having the same issue. Whenever I open Safari, I prefer to have only my hope page open. But for some reason, it is now opening all the pages I had open the last time I quite Safari. As far as I can find, there is no setting to change that. The other little quirk I have is whenever a page is done loading, VoiceOver doesn't always put me in the html content and start interacting with it. I have to press VO-Shift-Down Arrow to start interacting with it. The second issue is not that bad, but just a little annoying. I sure would like to know if I can get Safari to open only my home page and not all the tabs and windows I had open the last time before quitting Safari. On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:52 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: I wholeheartedly agree with Chris here. Calm down, folks. If there's an issue, first check if there's a solution or workaround for the thing, if not, ask a question here, after the frustration has settled, and if that doesn't help, write a polite letter to Apples Accessibility team. I've got a couple issues i'm investigating now, one of them are on-topic here, and it's about how i go about having Safari not to open all the pages i had up last every time i open a new page. It makes sense when first starting Safari directly, but if there's a page i want to read, i don't want to have to close all the other pages that pop up and taking focus away from the page i want to read. Surely there must be a setting somewhere, only i can't find it. /Krister 23 jul 2011 kl. 03:39 skrev Chris Westbrook: And in case anyone actually cares, this has nothing to do with vo or lion. The reason Jaws won't download on safari is that by default, freedom scientific offers direct ftp links to their downloads and safari apparently can't handle direct ftp links. If you REALLY want to download Jaws from a mac, FS offers a page for http downloads. Frankly, the whole item chooser thing really doesn't bother me much as the web roder has always worked for me and that is for the web. I am glad I upgraded, and I'm even getting used to the new mail. I think we all just need to calm down a bit. As far as apple not caring, just because they don't talk to us doesn't mean they don't care. They don't talk to anyone, it's as simple as that. Missy, I really hope you get your power situation straightened out, but I don't think that is a lion issue either. Calm down everyone. :) Chris Westbrook On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:29 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote: Hi guys. Just to add a little to what Carolyn said, it's been two days since Lion came out so don't expect these problems to just magically go away. If they are making some of you guys that angry, switch back to SL. It can be done easily enough if you have a recent backup. Email off list please if you need help doing this seeing as this is starting to become not VO related anymore. Thanks and for those that need t
Re: Totally bizarre finding with Safari 5.1 in Lion
To jump between the pages, hit ctrl+Tab. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Krister Ekstrom" To: Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 7:02 AM Subject: Re: Totally bizarre finding with Safari 5.1 in Lion Mmm, true, but on the IPhone, there's a button you'll have to press in order to see other pages than the one that has focus, and the focused page is the one that's opened last. Oh well, cmd+opt+q seems to be my best friend at the moment… Btw, the one question we haven't asked in our frustration is how does one jump between pages that are opened? /Krister 24 jul 2011 kl. 02:14 skrev John Panarese: Keep in mind that Lion resembles iOS. The look and feel of Lion is intended to be like the iPhone or iPad. For example, the new view in mail is like what one finds on the iPad. So, the applications are going to start to be like those we find in the iOS environment. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com On Jul 23, 2011, at 6:53 PM, Shen wrote: Hi, Thanks for that tip, I will remember to do that from now on. Although I really don't understand why Apple would change this behavior from before. And there is no option under Safari menu to close all windows and quit. I think this is going to be a problem. Say you go to a website, and for some reason, Safari crashes, and it is not responding. This has happened to me more often with Safari than any other browser I've used. You need to force quit Safari in order to close it. The next time you open Safari, guess what, it's going to open the last page it had, which is the page that crashed, you are stuck. Unless there is a way to open Safari without opening any windows, similar to the way if you hold down the Options key while opening iTunes, you will be prompted for a library. I tried this, no luck. On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:23 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, John is correct. As mentioned in a separate thread, you can use the cmd-option-q which will Quit and Discard Windows, thus allowing you to startup Safari from your Homepage. Alternatively, you can go into your system Preferences, select the General pane and uncheck the box for Recovering Windows. It sometimes doesn't take effect right away, but it will. If you have problems with this, please repost and someone will assist. Later… On 2011-07-23, at 2:11 PM, John Panarese wrote: Have you tried quitting Safari with, option-command-q instead of just command-q? I believe this will close all of the active Safari Windows and will not have them open next time you start Safari. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Shen wrote: Teresa, I saw that too, but it's not a checkbox. It's an option that lets Safari open all the windows from the last session. So that doesn't work. Looks like 1 way of doing this is when I am done and about to quit Safari, close all tabs and windows, then open my home page, then quit. I can't imagine there is no way to just open the home page instead of all windows from last session. Otherwise, what's the point of a home page? On Jul 23, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: In the history menu in Safari, uncheck "Reopen all windows from last session". HTH, Teresa On Jul 23, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Shen wrote: Hello, Yes, you and I are having the same issue. Whenever I open Safari, I prefer to have only my hope page open. But for some reason, it is now opening all the pages I had open the last time I quite Safari. As far as I can find, there is no setting to change that. The other little quirk I have is whenever a page is done loading, VoiceOver doesn't always put me in the html content and start interacting with it. I have to press VO-Shift-Down Arrow to start interacting with it. The second issue is not that bad, but just a little annoying. I sure would like to know if I can get Safari to open only my home page and not all the tabs and windows I had open the last time before quitting Safari. On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:52 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: I wholeheartedly agree with Chris here. Calm down, folks. If there's an issue, first check if there's a solution or workaround for the thing, if not, ask a question here, after the frustration has settled, and if that doesn't help, write a polite letter to Apples Accessibility team. I've got a couple issues i'm investigating now, one of them are on-topic here, and it's about how i go about having Safari not to open all the pages i had up last every time i open a new page. It makes sense when first starting Safari directly, but if there's a page i want to read, i don't want to have to close all the other pages that pop up and taking focus away from the page i want to read. Surely there must be a setting somewhere, only i can't find it. /Krister 23 jul 2011 kl. 03:39 skrev Chris Westbrook: And in case anyone actually cares, this has nothing to do with vo or lion. The reason Jaws won't download on safari is that by default, freedom
Re: Totally bizarre finding with Safari 5.1 in Lion
That'll work too. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Ricardo Walker" To: Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 7:06 AM Subject: Re: Totally bizarre finding with Safari 5.1 in Lion The same way its always been done. At least since Leopard when I started using a Mac, command accent. hth Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 24, 2011, at 7:02 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Mmm, true, but on the IPhone, there's a button you'll have to press in order to see other pages than the one that has focus, and the focused page is the one that's opened last. Oh well, cmd+opt+q seems to be my best friend at the moment… Btw, the one question we haven't asked in our frustration is how does one jump between pages that are opened? /Krister 24 jul 2011 kl. 02:14 skrev John Panarese: Keep in mind that Lion resembles iOS. The look and feel of Lion is intended to be like the iPhone or iPad. For example, the new view in mail is like what one finds on the iPad. So, the applications are going to start to be like those we find in the iOS environment. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com On Jul 23, 2011, at 6:53 PM, Shen wrote: Hi, Thanks for that tip, I will remember to do that from now on. Although I really don't understand why Apple would change this behavior from before. And there is no option under Safari menu to close all windows and quit. I think this is going to be a problem. Say you go to a website, and for some reason, Safari crashes, and it is not responding. This has happened to me more often with Safari than any other browser I've used. You need to force quit Safari in order to close it. The next time you open Safari, guess what, it's going to open the last page it had, which is the page that crashed, you are stuck. Unless there is a way to open Safari without opening any windows, similar to the way if you hold down the Options key while opening iTunes, you will be prompted for a library. I tried this, no luck. On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:23 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, John is correct. As mentioned in a separate thread, you can use the cmd-option-q which will Quit and Discard Windows, thus allowing you to startup Safari from your Homepage. Alternatively, you can go into your system Preferences, select the General pane and uncheck the box for Recovering Windows. It sometimes doesn't take effect right away, but it will. If you have problems with this, please repost and someone will assist. Later… On 2011-07-23, at 2:11 PM, John Panarese wrote: Have you tried quitting Safari with, option-command-q instead of just command-q? I believe this will close all of the active Safari Windows and will not have them open next time you start Safari. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Shen wrote: Teresa, I saw that too, but it's not a checkbox. It's an option that lets Safari open all the windows from the last session. So that doesn't work. Looks like 1 way of doing this is when I am done and about to quit Safari, close all tabs and windows, then open my home page, then quit. I can't imagine there is no way to just open the home page instead of all windows from last session. Otherwise, what's the point of a home page? On Jul 23, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: In the history menu in Safari, uncheck "Reopen all windows from last session". HTH, Teresa On Jul 23, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Shen wrote: Hello, Yes, you and I are having the same issue. Whenever I open Safari, I prefer to have only my hope page open. But for some reason, it is now opening all the pages I had open the last time I quite Safari. As far as I can find, there is no setting to change that. The other little quirk I have is whenever a page is done loading, VoiceOver doesn't always put me in the html content and start interacting with it. I have to press VO-Shift-Down Arrow to start interacting with it. The second issue is not that bad, but just a little annoying. I sure would like to know if I can get Safari to open only my home page and not all the tabs and windows I had open the last time before quitting Safari. On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:52 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: I wholeheartedly agree with Chris here. Calm down, folks. If there's an issue, first check if there's a solution or workaround for the thing, if not, ask a question here, after the frustration has settled, and if that doesn't help, write a polite letter to Apples Accessibility team. I've got a couple issues i'm investigating now, one of them are on-topic here, and it's about how i go about having Safari not to open all the pages i had up last every time i open a new page. It makes sense when first starting Safari directly, but if there's a page i want to read, i don't want to have to close all the other pages that pop up and taking focus away from the page i want to read. Surely there must be a setting somewhere,
Re: Totally bizarre finding with Safari 5.1 in Lion
I should clarify that ctrl-tab will work if your pages are opened in separate tabs in the same window, which might happen more or less frequently depending on your settings. Best, Zack. On Jul 24, 2011, at 4:14 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > That'll work too. > > Chris. > > - Original Message - From: "Ricardo Walker" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 7:06 AM > Subject: Re: Totally bizarre finding with Safari 5.1 in Lion > > > The same way its always been done. At least since Leopard when I started > using a Mac, command accent. > > hth > > Ricardo Walker > rwalker...@gmail.com > Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 > www.mobileaccess.org > > On Jul 24, 2011, at 7:02 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > Mmm, true, but on the IPhone, there's a button you'll have to press in order > to see other pages than the one that has focus, and the focused page is the > one that's opened last. Oh well, cmd+opt+q seems to be my best friend at the > moment… Btw, the one question we haven't asked in our frustration is how does > one jump between pages that are opened? > > /Krister > 24 jul 2011 kl. 02:14 skrev John Panarese: > >> Keep in mind that Lion resembles iOS. The look and feel of Lion is intended >> to be like the iPhone or iPad. For example, the new view in mail is like >> what one finds on the iPad. So, the applications are going to start to be >> like those we find in the iOS environment. >> >> Take Care >> >> John Panarese >> jpanar...@gmail.com >> >> >> >> On Jul 23, 2011, at 6:53 PM, Shen wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> Thanks for that tip, I will remember to do that from now on. Although I >>> really don't understand why Apple would change this behavior from before. >>> And there is no option under Safari menu to close all windows and quit. >>> I think this is going to be a problem. Say you go to a website, and for >>> some reason, Safari crashes, and it is not responding. This has happened to >>> me more often with Safari than any other browser I've used. >>> You need to force quit Safari in order to close it. The next time you open >>> Safari, guess what, it's going to open the last page it had, which is the >>> page that crashed, you are stuck. >>> Unless there is a way to open Safari without opening any windows, similar >>> to the way if you hold down the Options key while opening iTunes, you will >>> be prompted for a library. >>> I tried this, no luck. >>> >>> >>> On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:23 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: >>> Hi, John is correct. As mentioned in a separate thread, you can use the cmd-option-q which will Quit and Discard Windows, thus allowing you to startup Safari from your Homepage. Alternatively, you can go into your system Preferences, select the General pane and uncheck the box for Recovering Windows. It sometimes doesn't take effect right away, but it will. If you have problems with this, please repost and someone will assist. Later… On 2011-07-23, at 2:11 PM, John Panarese wrote: > Have you tried quitting Safari with, option-command-q instead of just > command-q? I believe this will close all of the active Safari Windows > and will not have them open next time you start Safari. > > Take Care > > John Panarese > jpanar...@gmail.com > > > > On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Shen wrote: > >> Teresa, >> I saw that too, but it's not a checkbox. It's an option that lets Safari >> open all the windows from the last session. >> So that doesn't work. >> Looks like 1 way of doing this is when I am done and about to quit >> Safari, close all tabs and windows, then open my home page, then quit. >> I can't imagine there is no way to just open the home page instead of >> all windows from last session. Otherwise, what's the point of a home >> page? >> >> On Jul 23, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: >> >>> In the history menu in Safari, uncheck "Reopen all windows from last >>> session". >>> >>> HTH, >>> Teresa >>> On Jul 23, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Shen wrote: >>> Hello, Yes, you and I are having the same issue. Whenever I open Safari, I prefer to have only my hope page open. But for some reason, it is now opening all the pages I had open the last time I quite Safari. As far as I can find, there is no setting to change that. The other little quirk I have is whenever a page is done loading, VoiceOver doesn't always put me in the html content and start interacting with it. I have to press VO-Shift-Down Arrow to start interacting with it. The second issue is not that bad, but just a little annoying. I sure would like to know if I can get Safari to open only my home page and not all the tabs and windows I had open the last time before q
Adium! Will, you? shut? up?!
Has anyone noticed, that in the most recent build of Adium, I think I am on the latest beta build, don't quote me, that in Lion, if you have events set to speak, as I do, and you have it set to speak your contacts connecting and disconnecting, if you're away from the system for a period of time, when you come back, Adium will spit out all the events that occured while you were gone, including people connecting/disconnecting all in one go? It won't run them all together, thank god, but look, if you had 30 or 40 things happen while you were gone, you're gonna then have to wait for those 30/40 things to get done speaking, and forget trying to shut it up with the control key. I thought perhaps this was just a glitch, and so didn't write in earlier about it, but it's seeming to persist. Has anyone else seen this, and found a work around, aside the obvious of quit Adium when I go away, which I really! don't wanna do? Chris. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Question that hasn't been addressed
Someone asked a bit back how to remove voices you've added. I wonder the same thing, but never have gotten a response. You can go back into custom, and uncheck the box for the voice, but that doesn't literally remove it from the system. All that does is disables it. Chris. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Totally bizarre finding with Safari 5.1 in Lion
This has to be tested. It's always interesting to learn new things. /Krister 24 jul 2011 kl. 13:14 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland: > To jump between the pages, hit ctrl+Tab. > > Chris. > > - Original Message - From: "Krister Ekstrom" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 7:02 AM > Subject: Re: Totally bizarre finding with Safari 5.1 in Lion > > > Mmm, true, but on the IPhone, there's a button you'll have to press in order > to see other pages than the one that has focus, and the focused page is the > one that's opened last. Oh well, cmd+opt+q seems to be my best friend at the > moment… Btw, the one question we haven't asked in our frustration is how does > one jump between pages that are opened? > > /Krister > 24 jul 2011 kl. 02:14 skrev John Panarese: > >> Keep in mind that Lion resembles iOS. The look and feel of Lion is >> intended to be like the iPhone or iPad. For example, the new view in mail >> is like what one finds on the iPad. So, the applications are going to start >> to be like those we find in the iOS environment. >> >> Take Care >> >> John Panarese >> jpanar...@gmail.com >> >> >> >> On Jul 23, 2011, at 6:53 PM, Shen wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> Thanks for that tip, I will remember to do that from now on. Although I >>> really don't understand why Apple would change this behavior from before. >>> And there is no option under Safari menu to close all windows and quit. >>> I think this is going to be a problem. Say you go to a website, and for >>> some reason, Safari crashes, and it is not responding. This has happened to >>> me more often with Safari than any other browser I've used. >>> You need to force quit Safari in order to close it. The next time you open >>> Safari, guess what, it's going to open the last page it had, which is the >>> page that crashed, you are stuck. >>> Unless there is a way to open Safari without opening any windows, similar >>> to the way if you hold down the Options key while opening iTunes, you will >>> be prompted for a library. >>> I tried this, no luck. >>> >>> >>> On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:23 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: >>> Hi, John is correct. As mentioned in a separate thread, you can use the cmd-option-q which will Quit and Discard Windows, thus allowing you to startup Safari from your Homepage. Alternatively, you can go into your system Preferences, select the General pane and uncheck the box for Recovering Windows. It sometimes doesn't take effect right away, but it will. If you have problems with this, please repost and someone will assist. Later… On 2011-07-23, at 2:11 PM, John Panarese wrote: > Have you tried quitting Safari with, option-command-q instead of just > command-q? I believe this will close all of the active Safari Windows > and will not have them open next time you start Safari. > > Take Care > > John Panarese > jpanar...@gmail.com > > > > On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Shen wrote: > >> Teresa, >> I saw that too, but it's not a checkbox. It's an option that lets Safari >> open all the windows from the last session. >> So that doesn't work. >> Looks like 1 way of doing this is when I am done and about to quit >> Safari, close all tabs and windows, then open my home page, then quit. >> I can't imagine there is no way to just open the home page instead of >> all windows from last session. Otherwise, what's the point of a home >> page? >> >> On Jul 23, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: >> >>> In the history menu in Safari, uncheck "Reopen all windows from last >>> session". >>> >>> HTH, >>> Teresa >>> On Jul 23, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Shen wrote: >>> Hello, Yes, you and I are having the same issue. Whenever I open Safari, I prefer to have only my hope page open. But for some reason, it is now opening all the pages I had open the last time I quite Safari. As far as I can find, there is no setting to change that. The other little quirk I have is whenever a page is done loading, VoiceOver doesn't always put me in the html content and start interacting with it. I have to press VO-Shift-Down Arrow to start interacting with it. The second issue is not that bad, but just a little annoying. I sure would like to know if I can get Safari to open only my home page and not all the tabs and windows I had open the last time before quitting Safari. On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:52 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > I wholeheartedly agree with Chris here. Calm down, folks. If there's > an issue, first check if there's a solution or workaround for the > thing, if not, ask a question here, after the frustration has > settled, and if that doesn
RE: Adium! Will, you? shut? up?!
I don't know of a work around, but have experienced this. If you discover a workaround, please let me know. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 7:22 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Adium! Will, you? shut? up?! Has anyone noticed, that in the most recent build of Adium, I think I am on the latest beta build, don't quote me, that in Lion, if you have events set to speak, as I do, and you have it set to speak your contacts connecting and disconnecting, if you're away from the system for a period of time, when you come back, Adium will spit out all the events that occured while you were gone, including people connecting/disconnecting all in one go? It won't run them all together, thank god, but look, if you had 30 or 40 things happen while you were gone, you're gonna then have to wait for those 30/40 things to get done speaking, and forget trying to shut it up with the control key. I thought perhaps this was just a glitch, and so didn't write in earlier about it, but it's seeming to persist. Has anyone else seen this, and found a work around, aside the obvious of quit Adium when I go away, which I really! don't wanna do? Chris. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Adium! Will, you? shut? up?!
I have seen this but haven't found a workaround. I'm thinking to myself i wonder what would happen if i switched the adium voice for the events to one of the nuance voices, would that help things? Does the problem lye within Adium or Lion? Is it the same issue with say Skype, that also can announce messages, events and the like? /Krister 24 jul 2011 kl. 13:21 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland: > Has anyone noticed, that in the most recent build of Adium, I think I am on > the latest beta build, don't quote me, that in Lion, if you have events set > to speak, as I do, and you have it set to speak your contacts connecting and > disconnecting, if you're away from the system for a period of time, when you > come back, Adium will spit out all the events that occured while you were > gone, including people connecting/disconnecting all in one go? It won't run > them all together, thank god, but look, if you had 30 or 40 things happen > while you were gone, you're gonna then have to wait for those 30/40 things to > get done speaking, and forget trying to shut it up with the control key. > > I thought perhaps this was just a glitch, and so didn't write in earlier > about it, but it's seeming to persist. > > Has anyone else seen this, and found a work around, aside the obvious of quit > Adium when I go away, which I really! don't wanna do? > > Chris. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Adium! Will, you? shut? up?!
Well, ok, so it's good then to know my macbook's not just drunk. LOL! Chris. - Original Message - From: "Missy Hoppe" To: Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 7:24 AM Subject: RE: Adium! Will, you? shut? up?! I don't know of a work around, but have experienced this. If you discover a workaround, please let me know. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 7:22 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Adium! Will, you? shut? up?! Has anyone noticed, that in the most recent build of Adium, I think I am on the latest beta build, don't quote me, that in Lion, if you have events set to speak, as I do, and you have it set to speak your contacts connecting and disconnecting, if you're away from the system for a period of time, when you come back, Adium will spit out all the events that occured while you were gone, including people connecting/disconnecting all in one go? It won't run them all together, thank god, but look, if you had 30 or 40 things happen while you were gone, you're gonna then have to wait for those 30/40 things to get done speaking, and forget trying to shut it up with the control key. I thought perhaps this was just a glitch, and so didn't write in earlier about it, but it's seeming to persist. Has anyone else seen this, and found a work around, aside the obvious of quit Adium when I go away, which I really! don't wanna do? Chris. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Adium! Will, you? shut? up?!
You know, it's strange, because in Skype, I have it set to tell me when people sign in and out, and it never spits things out all at once. Now, YoruFukurou on the other hand? It always speaks tweets even when hidden down in my dock, and yes, under the prefs notifications, I have it said to not use growl, so I'm totally perplexed on that, but that I can definitely! tell you isn't a Lion issue, as it did the same thing in SL. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Krister Ekstrom" To: Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 7:29 AM Subject: Re: Adium! Will, you? shut? up?! I have seen this but haven't found a workaround. I'm thinking to myself i wonder what would happen if i switched the adium voice for the events to one of the nuance voices, would that help things? Does the problem lye within Adium or Lion? Is it the same issue with say Skype, that also can announce messages, events and the like? /Krister 24 jul 2011 kl. 13:21 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland: Has anyone noticed, that in the most recent build of Adium, I think I am on the latest beta build, don't quote me, that in Lion, if you have events set to speak, as I do, and you have it set to speak your contacts connecting and disconnecting, if you're away from the system for a period of time, when you come back, Adium will spit out all the events that occured while you were gone, including people connecting/disconnecting all in one go? It won't run them all together, thank god, but look, if you had 30 or 40 things happen while you were gone, you're gonna then have to wait for those 30/40 things to get done speaking, and forget trying to shut it up with the control key. I thought perhaps this was just a glitch, and so didn't write in earlier about it, but it's seeming to persist. Has anyone else seen this, and found a work around, aside the obvious of quit Adium when I go away, which I really! don't wanna do? Chris. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Voice over lag and other lion issues
As i understand it, and i can be wrong, you'll have to tell Mail if you want to see related mails from other mailboxes or not. This could be done from the "view" menu or from preferences if you always wanted to have mails from other mailboxes included. /Krister 23 jul 2011 kl. 22:06 skrev Mary Otten: > David, > I am curious. I've been using the mail in SL and am reasonably happy with its > efficiency. I gather that you can keep the classic view if you want it, but > I'd like to know what you changed and what you like about the new way with > your changes as opposed to the Snow Leopard implementation. I am a fan of the > preview pane, and I like hearing just the column I'm in when in the messages > table. I have not used the thread view in SL. I guess my current way of doing > things is as close to the mail app I've used for a decade or so on my pc. > The idea of viewing mail by conversation seems like a good thing, but I read > somewhere in a review of Lion that the new mail view includes not just email > in the inbox, but also messages from other boxes as well. Since I'm using > IMap, that would mean, I think, that you'd see messages from the gmail trash, > which would make that conversation view kind of a pain. anyway, my basic > question is, what changes did you make and what do you like better about it? > > Mary > > Mary Otten > motte...@gmail.com > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: best way to handle mail in the new layout?
Ahem, this left and right arrow thingy doesn't seem to work properly for me in conversations. I'm using the preview pane, should i do that? Are your conversations always expanded? /Krister 24 jul 2011 kl. 02:20 skrev Tim Kilburn: >> Hi all, > > In playing with various things in Mail's new view, you may be interested in > these ideas that I have found. They work for me and have sped up navigation > in Mail considerably. You are welcome to use whatever works for you and > ignore anything that doesn't fit your frame of mind. The two things I'll > touch on here are use of the Favourites bar and Conversations. > > Favourites: > > • You can put your favourite Mailboxes into the Favourites bar by dragging > and dropping them there. > • The order they appear in the Favourites bar allows you to use the cmd key > to quickly get to specific boxes. That is, the first item in the Favourite > bar would be cmd-1, the second would be cmd-2 and so on. > • When you drop something into the Favourites bar, it will land just after or > to the right of the item you are focused on. > • You can use this method to re-order items in the Favourites bar. > • To remove an unwanted item from the Favourites bar, simply drag it off. > That is, grab it and release it outside of the Favourites bar. I just drop > it on the divider and its gone. > • Now with minimal keystrokes, I can get between Mailboxes and right after I > press cmd-1 for example, VO automatically brings focus to the Messages area > where I can just use up and down arrows to navigate. > • I also do not need the Mailboxes list shown either unless I wish to get to > a less used Mailbox. It is easy to Show/Hide by pressing cmd-shift-m. > > Conversations: > > Not perfect yet but much easier for me using the following: > > • Arrow up or down and let VO announce the message and how many messages in > the Conversation. > • I just press return when I wish to read stuff in that Conversation. The > problem is that it always reads the newest one first and suggestions to fix > that haven't worked for me as I prefer my Messages Table to have the newest > at the top and my Conversations to have the oldest at the top. > • anyway, to get around this, I Stop Interacting with the Message content, > then if I VO-left arrow through the messages in the Conversation, it does the > trick. > • If I press cmd-w, it closes the entire conversation. > > Hope this helps some of you. Any other ideas are welcome. > > Later… > > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Anyone figured out Air Drop?
Hi, I have actually sent a whole folder using airdrop, it's mighty cool. Firstly, both macs must run Lion. Open your finder on your Macintosh hd for example and go to the side bar. Now, quite high up in the table there's something called "airdrop", choose that and stop interacting with the side bar. Now vo arrow right until you come to a grid. (i think that's the correct english word for it.) Interact with the grid, and you should see your nearby computer. To transfer a file, open a new finder window. It defaults to "all my files", so go to the side bar and choose the folder you want or if it's not available in the side bar, choose the one above it. Now, from the file browser, choose the file or folder you want to transmit and mark it for dragging, (vo+,) Now use whatever method you prefer to go to the window with the airdrop. Interact with the airdrop grid and choose the computer you want to send the file to. Now press vo+period to drop the item. If all goes well, you'll get a dialog that wants you to confirm that you want to send a file and on the other end, you'll get a similar dialog that asks you to accept or decline the file transfer. One little thing to beware of is that you can't seem to see the transfer status, so you don't know how the transfer is going, unless there's a workaround for this somewhere. I also wish there was some kind of notification to tell me when the transfer is finished, but maybe that'll come. HTH /Krister 24 jul 2011 kl. 03:06 skrev Brett C.: > Has anyone figured out how to see near by Macs and send files using Air Drop? > I'd like to know how to do it. > > Thanks, > > Brett C. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: setting boot options before restart?
1. This is not really new to Lion. 2. There is the unix "reboot" command and there is also another command line commmand that supports configuring next boot options. But I believe that the command-R boot is almost like the C boot, except it will boot off the restore partition in your hard disk The Restore partition has a directory with boot options and a compressed filesystem containing a minimal set of Lion applications including VoiceOver. Best regards, Jonathan On Jul 23, 2011, at 8:27 AM, William Windels wrote: > Hello, > > Since Apple has introduced install apps and os-updates from the internet, we > don't need a dvd. > This is good but , gives sometimes problems about accessibility. > I mean: we can't decide before restart, with vo-support, what to do after > reboot. > We also can't hear when it's time to press the letter since there is no dvd > turning around. > > If I understand well, in some situations , we have to chose after booting up > what we want to do: booting the normal system, booting the install packages > and perhaps more options. > Of course , voiceover can't work on that moment. > So, it should be nice that we can decide what to do before rebooting. > > A possible way of working: > In stead off choosing reboot, we chose a new vo-command e.g. > command+option+escape and there we have the choices what to do after reboot. > > What do you think about this? > > Best regards, > William Windels > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: signatures?
Hi, Not sure how to handle this in mail. But the way I do it is with text expander. I have a snippet for each signature that I want and then depending on the one I want I just type sig-1 or sig-2. Without the dashes of course, because if I type it correctly it would expand. HTH Regards, Keith Watson On Jul 23, 2011, at 10:10 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > Okay, I’m loving the new mail so much I’m ready to ditch outlook 2010. Only > thing I can’t figure out to do is how to choose what signature I want to use. > What I mean is, in outlook even if I have a default signature for each > account I can change it whenever I want too. Have tried that in mail on the > mac, but the only options are the default that has been create for that > account, or none. It won’t bring up the other signatures that I have > created. Is this possible, did I miss a step? Thanks. > > Kliphton SR > (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 > (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com > (Marriage group) http://groups.google.com/group/committed-married-christians > Sent From my Imac > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: should I or what?
As someone who just upgraded to Lion, I would recommend waiting for a while until some of the bugs are worked out, especially since you are a new user and are just learning. While I personally have not found the bugs to be show-stoppers for me, I just think that things will be worked out more as time goes on. Having said that, however, if you read the new features in Lion and you are feeling particularly itchy to upgrade, go for it. I haven't seen on this list, nor have I experienced myself, any horrific problems with the upgrade like losing everything on your drive or having other terrible things happen. Most of the bugs that do exist appear to be nuisances of various degrees of severity. So, I would say, if you want stability and predictability, you might want to wait a bit, but if there are compelling features or if you are just really wanting the latest thing, I think you would be safe to go ahead and take the plunge. I think it depends a lot on what kind of person you are. In any case, backups are you best friend, so make them regularly. Good luck. Lynn On Jul 24, 2011, at 12:30 AM, craig J Dunlop wrote: > I just got my macbook in April. what do all of you think. > I am wanting to upgrade to lion. I am still learning snow leopard and think > the lion should come fairly quickly. > but my question is is there anything I will not be able to do with lion that > I can do now? > I am using the macbook for everything except ocr now because I just haven't > found a program I like. > thanks for any guidance and information. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Keyboard shortcuts and activities
Hi everyone, Well, I have come pretty far in terms of trying to set up an activity under VoiceOver. I created the activity and specified which voice I want to use. I'm now trying to set up a keyboard command that would allow me to switch it on and off. I only want to use Monica the Spanish voice from Spain for some things not configure her to automatically open up when I open my mail. How do I do this? I have enabled Keyboard Commander, and attempted to set up a hotkey. BUt every time I try to use it to does not work. I hit use keyboard and then set keyboard command or whatever that little dialog says. Then I type the key combination, hit add and nothing happens. What am I doing wrong? This is proving very frustrating. Any assistance would be much appreciated. It seems that I never got how to assign a keyboard command to any function in Snow Leopard. I'm having less success with Lion. Can anyone help me please? Thank you again for any assistance you can provide. Have a great day. Musically, Allison My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Dashcode Crashes on Startup
Hi, I do all of my programming in Dashcode, and I've really come to like it. However, now that I've upgraded to Lion, I cannot start Dashcode. Anytime I try, or try to open a file in it, it crashes and gives me a "problem reporter" dialog. Anyone else having this problem? Thanks, Brandon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: best way to handle mail in the new layout?
No, the preview pane just shows one individual message. I think he might have meant to say tab from the message list instead of enter. If I tab from the message list I get all the messages in a conversation and I just have to either hit vo+up and down arrow if quick nab is off or just up and down arrow if it is on. Left and right will work too. Hope this helps. On Jul 24, 2011, at 8:38 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > Ahem, this left and right arrow thingy doesn't seem to work properly for me > in conversations. I'm using the preview pane, should i do that? Are your > conversations always expanded? > /Krister > > 24 jul 2011 kl. 02:20 skrev Tim Kilburn: > >>> Hi all, >> >> In playing with various things in Mail's new view, you may be interested in >> these ideas that I have found. They work for me and have sped up navigation >> in Mail considerably. You are welcome to use whatever works for you and >> ignore anything that doesn't fit your frame of mind. The two things I'll >> touch on here are use of the Favourites bar and Conversations. >> >> Favourites: >> >> • You can put your favourite Mailboxes into the Favourites bar by dragging >> and dropping them there. >> • The order they appear in the Favourites bar allows you to use the cmd key >> to quickly get to specific boxes. That is, the first item in the Favourite >> bar would be cmd-1, the second would be cmd-2 and so on. >> • When you drop something into the Favourites bar, it will land just after >> or to the right of the item you are focused on. >> • You can use this method to re-order items in the Favourites bar. >> • To remove an unwanted item from the Favourites bar, simply drag it off. >> That is, grab it and release it outside of the Favourites bar. I just drop >> it on the divider and its gone. >> • Now with minimal keystrokes, I can get between Mailboxes and right after I >> press cmd-1 for example, VO automatically brings focus to the Messages area >> where I can just use up and down arrows to navigate. >> • I also do not need the Mailboxes list shown either unless I wish to get to >> a less used Mailbox. It is easy to Show/Hide by pressing cmd-shift-m. >> >> Conversations: >> >> Not perfect yet but much easier for me using the following: >> >> • Arrow up or down and let VO announce the message and how many messages in >> the Conversation. >> • I just press return when I wish to read stuff in that Conversation. The >> problem is that it always reads the newest one first and suggestions to fix >> that haven't worked for me as I prefer my Messages Table to have the newest >> at the top and my Conversations to have the oldest at the top. >> • anyway, to get around this, I Stop Interacting with the Message content, >> then if I VO-left arrow through the messages in the Conversation, it does >> the trick. >> • If I press cmd-w, it closes the entire conversation. >> >> Hope this helps some of you. Any other ideas are welcome. >> >> Later… >> >> >> Tim Kilburn >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Dashcode Crashes on Startup
hi, Same here. However, I am able to open the older version in developer-old with no problem. I'm assuming you have installed xcode4. On Jul 24, 2011, at 8:40 AM, Brandon Olivares wrote: > Hi, > > I do all of my programming in Dashcode, and I've really come to like it. > However, now that I've upgraded to Lion, I cannot start Dashcode. Anytime I > try, or try to open a file in it, it crashes and gives me a "problem > reporter" dialog. > > Anyone else having this problem? > > Thanks, > Brandon > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: How do I select a link in a message?
Hi, Try using VO-shift-m to bring up the Contextual menu on the link. This should allow you to copy and do a number of other things. Later… On 2011-07-24, at 12:25 AM, Paul Henrichsen wrote: > Hi. How can I select a link in an email message and copy it to the clipboard? > Is there a way to select the entire link at once; or do I have to select it > one letter at a time? > Thanks. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Dual boot between Snow Leopard and Lion?
Hi, You could either use Migration Assistant after install or, even better, use the migration options during install. Later… On 2011-07-24, at 1:05 AM, Kevin Gibbs wrote: > Assuming I can get the dual boot thing together, would I then use > migration assistant to port my apps and data into Lion including > network PW etc? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: best way to handle mail in the new layout?
Hi, No, my Conversations are not always open, I prefer them closed as it makes it quicker to go through the messages table. With respect to the left/right navigation thing, as I'm arrowing up/down through the conversations and I find a conversation I wish to read, I simply press return to open it. Now, this is where the newest message comes up at the top, so I just Stop Interacting with the message, VO-left and it reads the message under the VO cursor, which is usually the oldest one and I just keep going left reading the rest. HTH. Later… On 2011-07-24, at 6:38 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > Ahem, this left and right arrow thingy doesn't seem to work properly for me > in conversations. I'm using the preview pane, should i do that? Are your > conversations always expanded? > /Krister > > 24 jul 2011 kl. 02:20 skrev Tim Kilburn: > >>> Hi all, >> >> In playing with various things in Mail's new view, you may be interested in >> these ideas that I have found. They work for me and have sped up navigation >> in Mail considerably. You are welcome to use whatever works for you and >> ignore anything that doesn't fit your frame of mind. The two things I'll >> touch on here are use of the Favourites bar and Conversations. >> >> Favourites: >> >> • You can put your favourite Mailboxes into the Favourites bar by dragging >> and dropping them there. >> • The order they appear in the Favourites bar allows you to use the cmd key >> to quickly get to specific boxes. That is, the first item in the Favourite >> bar would be cmd-1, the second would be cmd-2 and so on. >> • When you drop something into the Favourites bar, it will land just after >> or to the right of the item you are focused on. >> • You can use this method to re-order items in the Favourites bar. >> • To remove an unwanted item from the Favourites bar, simply drag it off. >> That is, grab it and release it outside of the Favourites bar. I just drop >> it on the divider and its gone. >> • Now with minimal keystrokes, I can get between Mailboxes and right after I >> press cmd-1 for example, VO automatically brings focus to the Messages area >> where I can just use up and down arrows to navigate. >> • I also do not need the Mailboxes list shown either unless I wish to get to >> a less used Mailbox. It is easy to Show/Hide by pressing cmd-shift-m. >> >> Conversations: >> >> Not perfect yet but much easier for me using the following: >> >> • Arrow up or down and let VO announce the message and how many messages in >> the Conversation. >> • I just press return when I wish to read stuff in that Conversation. The >> problem is that it always reads the newest one first and suggestions to fix >> that haven't worked for me as I prefer my Messages Table to have the newest >> at the top and my Conversations to have the oldest at the top. >> • anyway, to get around this, I Stop Interacting with the Message content, >> then if I VO-left arrow through the messages in the Conversation, it does >> the trick. >> • If I press cmd-w, it closes the entire conversation. >> >> Hope this helps some of you. Any other ideas are welcome. >> >> Later… >> >> >> Tim Kilburn >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Dashcode Crashes on Startup
Hi Brandon and all, You need to install the newest version of Xcode, which is available either from the mac app store or as a download from the Apple Developer site. I did and my copy of Dashcode works just fine. Best, Zack. On Jul 24, 2011, at 7:47 AM, Barry Hadder wrote: > hi, > > Same here. However, I am able to open the older version in developer-old > with no problem. I'm assuming you have installed xcode4. > > On Jul 24, 2011, at 8:40 AM, Brandon Olivares wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I do all of my programming in Dashcode, and I've really come to like it. >> However, now that I've upgraded to Lion, I cannot start Dashcode. Anytime I >> try, or try to open a file in it, it crashes and gives me a "problem >> reporter" dialog. >> >> Anyone else having this problem? >> >> Thanks, >> Brandon >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Voice Over Manual for Lion?
Hello everyone, I went to the Apple accessibility page and looked for the VO manual for Lion, but I came up empty. I won't be able to install Lion for another week or so, but I had hoped to be able to read the manual in advance. Would someone be willing to send it to me off-list if it comes unbundled from Lion? If I am unknowingly asking you to do something illegal, then by no means should you accommodate me. :) Best regards, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Making an Install Flash Drive for Lion: Tutorial Link
Hi Jürgen, When you install Lion, that file is automatically removed from your Applications folder. You'll need to download it again from the App Store. Do this by opening the App Store, selecting the Purchases tab then interacting with the Purchases table. If you navigate down the first column, you'll see the purchases you've made in the store, once you land on the Lion purchase, navigate right to the Install button. You will not be asked for Credit Card info again nor will you be charged a second time. It will just download and be placed into your Applications folder. For those who have restrictions on monthly downloads, you can eliminate the need for the second download by Quitting the Installer when it first starts after your initial purchase. Once you've Quit, go into the Applications folder and copy the Install MacOS Lion file onto another volume so you have a copy of the Install forever. HTH. Later… On 2011-07-24, at 3:53 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote: > Jürgen Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: best way to handle mail in the new layout?
Ahem, please pardon my ignorance here, i feel totally confused at the moment. I have the list with the various mailboxes, and then if i tab i get the table with the messages in them. They are arranged in conversations, but it looks like the old threads except that i've got numbers that indicates how many mails there are in a convo. If i right arrow on a conversation, i get to see the messages in the conversation, and if i either tab or vo+j i get to where the messages are shown. Vo up and down arrow here just reads the message. I'm a bit confused, i have to admit. Do i have the new layout? /Krister 24 jul 2011 kl. 16:07 skrev Chris Westbrook: > No, the preview pane just shows one individual message. I think he might > have meant to say tab from the message list instead of enter. If I tab from > the message list I get all the messages in a conversation and I just have to > either hit vo+up and down arrow if quick nab is off or just up and down arrow > if it is on. Left and right will work too. Hope this helps. > On Jul 24, 2011, at 8:38 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > >> Ahem, this left and right arrow thingy doesn't seem to work properly for >> me in conversations. I'm using the preview pane, should i do that? Are your >> conversations always expanded? >> /Krister >> >> 24 jul 2011 kl. 02:20 skrev Tim Kilburn: >> Hi all, >>> >>> In playing with various things in Mail's new view, you may be interested in >>> these ideas that I have found. They work for me and have sped up >>> navigation in Mail considerably. You are welcome to use whatever works for >>> you and ignore anything that doesn't fit your frame of mind. The two >>> things I'll touch on here are use of the Favourites bar and Conversations. >>> >>> Favourites: >>> >>> • You can put your favourite Mailboxes into the Favourites bar by dragging >>> and dropping them there. >>> • The order they appear in the Favourites bar allows you to use the cmd key >>> to quickly get to specific boxes. That is, the first item in the Favourite >>> bar would be cmd-1, the second would be cmd-2 and so on. >>> • When you drop something into the Favourites bar, it will land just after >>> or to the right of the item you are focused on. >>> • You can use this method to re-order items in the Favourites bar. >>> • To remove an unwanted item from the Favourites bar, simply drag it off. >>> That is, grab it and release it outside of the Favourites bar. I just drop >>> it on the divider and its gone. >>> • Now with minimal keystrokes, I can get between Mailboxes and right after >>> I press cmd-1 for example, VO automatically brings focus to the Messages >>> area where I can just use up and down arrows to navigate. >>> • I also do not need the Mailboxes list shown either unless I wish to get >>> to a less used Mailbox. It is easy to Show/Hide by pressing cmd-shift-m. >>> >>> Conversations: >>> >>> Not perfect yet but much easier for me using the following: >>> >>> • Arrow up or down and let VO announce the message and how many messages in >>> the Conversation. >>> • I just press return when I wish to read stuff in that Conversation. The >>> problem is that it always reads the newest one first and suggestions to fix >>> that haven't worked for me as I prefer my Messages Table to have the newest >>> at the top and my Conversations to have the oldest at the top. >>> • anyway, to get around this, I Stop Interacting with the Message content, >>> then if I VO-left arrow through the messages in the Conversation, it does >>> the trick. >>> • If I press cmd-w, it closes the entire conversation. >>> >>> Hope this helps some of you. Any other ideas are welcome. >>> >>> Later… >>> >>> >>> Tim Kilburn >>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscrib
RE: Voice Over Manual for Lion?
Link to the online VoiceOver Getting Started Guide with Lion: http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.7/English.lproj/index.html -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Busboom Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 8:35 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Voice Over Manual for Lion? Hello everyone, I went to the Apple accessibility page and looked for the VO manual for Lion, but I came up empty. I won't be able to install Lion for another week or so, but I had hoped to be able to read the manual in advance. Would someone be willing to send it to me off-list if it comes unbundled from Lion? If I am unknowingly asking you to do something illegal, then by no means should you accommodate me. :) Best regards, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Totally bizarre finding with Safari 5.1 in Lion
It's one of those things that's completely dependent on how you work. I absolutely love the new way--I've almost always got pages open with the intention of looking at them when I get around to it, and I only really quit Safari unless it crashes or I have to restart the computer. I was really happy when I had to quit the other day and got all my pages back without having to go into the history menu to do it. I do think it would be better, though, if you had a choice to decide for each application whether you wanted it to resume or not. I mean, you might not want it in Safari, but you might want it in TextEdit, in which case turning it off in system prefs isn't necessarily the best solution. On Jul 24, 11:50 am, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > Sorry for my total ignorance here, but i can't understand the point, even for > a sighted person to have all windows from last session or even earlier > sessions opened. I mean yes, if Safari has crashed, then it might be a good > idea to reopen all windows from last session but why always? It would make > sence if earlier windows opened in tabs, but like this? I just don't get it. > /Krister > > 24 jul 2011 kl. 00:23 skrev Tim Kilburn: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > John is correct. As mentioned in a separate thread, you can use the > > cmd-option-q which will Quit and Discard Windows, thus allowing you to > > startup Safari from your Homepage. Alternatively, you can go into your > > system Preferences, select the General pane and uncheck the box for > > Recovering Windows. It sometimes doesn't take effect right away, but it > > will. If you have problems with this, please repost and someone will > > assist. > > > Later… > > > On 2011-07-23, at 2:11 PM, John Panarese wrote: > > >> Have you tried quitting Safari with, option-command-q instead of just > >> command-q? I believe this will close all of the active Safari Windows and > >> will not have them open next time you start Safari. > > >> Take Care > > >> John Panarese > >> jpanar...@gmail.com > > >> On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Shen wrote: > > >>> Teresa, > >>> I saw that too, but it's not a checkbox. It's an option that lets Safari > >>> open all the windows from the last session. > >>> So that doesn't work. > >>> Looks like 1 way of doing this is when I am done and about to quit > >>> Safari, close all tabs and windows, then open my home page, then quit. > >>> I can't imagine there is no way to just open the home page instead of all > >>> windows from last session. Otherwise, what's the point of a home page? > > >>> On Jul 23, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > > In the history menu in Safari, uncheck "Reopen all windows from last > session". > > HTH, > Teresa > On Jul 23, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Shen wrote: > > > Hello, > > Yes, you and I are having the same issue. Whenever I open Safari, I > > prefer to have only my hope page open. But for some reason, it is now > > opening all the pages I had open the last time I quite Safari. As far > > as I can find, there is no setting to change that. The other little > > quirk I have is whenever a page is done loading, VoiceOver doesn't > > always put me in the html content and start interacting with it. I have > > to press VO-Shift-Down Arrow to start interacting with it. The second > > issue is not that bad, but just a little annoying. > > I sure would like to know if I can get Safari to open only my home page > > and not all the tabs and windows I had open the last time before > > quitting Safari. > > > On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:52 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > >> I wholeheartedly agree with Chris here. Calm down, folks. If there's > >> an issue, first check if there's a solution or workaround for the > >> thing, if not, ask a question here, after the frustration has settled, > >> and if that doesn't help, write a polite letter to Apples > >> Accessibility team. I've got a couple issues i'm investigating now, > >> one of them are on-topic here, and it's about how i go about having > >> Safari not to open all the pages i had up last every time i open a new > >> page. It makes sense when first starting Safari directly, but if > >> there's a page i want to read, i don't want to have to close all the > >> other pages that pop up and taking focus away from the page i want to > >> read. Surely there must be a setting somewhere, only i can't find it. > >> /Krister > > >> 23 jul 2011 kl. 03:39 skrev Chris Westbrook: > > >>> And in case anyone actually cares, this has nothing to do with vo or > >>> lion. The reason Jaws won't download on safari is that by default, > >>> freedom scientific offers direct ftp links to their downloads and > >>> safari apparently can't handle direct ftp links. If you REALLY want > >>> to download Jaws from a mac, FS offers a page for http downloads. > >>> Fra
Lion, Suppressing the Date field.
Hello. Using the new mail layout in Lion, I'm wondering if there is a way to suppress the date field, while still being informed of the sender, subject, and the preview of the first two lines of the message? Thanks for any tips on this. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: best way to handle mail in the new layout?
Hi, 1. I no longer have the Mailboxes table visible as outlined in the Favourites section of the original message. I have moved my important mailboxes into the Favourites bar and thus just need to press cmd-1, 2 or 3 depending on which one I wish to access. By pressing cmd-1, for example, this automatically accesses my desired mailbox and brings focus to the Messages Column. I then can use the up and down arrows to preview each message/conversation. Quick Nav is off for this process. 2. When I find a message/conversation that I'm interested in reading, I just press the return key. After some more playing around, I guess that the tab key will more or less do the same thing. I'm so used to holding down the VO keys that I may have errored in my explanation. When using the lef/right arrows in this case, you either need to hold down the VO keys or turn Quick Nav on for single key navigation. In either case, it's quite easy and quick to move through the conversations. I can press the Backspace key to delete the message I'm on and continue in the conversation or press cmd-w to close the entire conversation. I'm a throwback to the old MacOS's in the 80s and 90s and am somewhat stuck in my old ways so tend to use the return and cmd-w mode more often. In further testing, I noted the following: • if you press the return key to open the conversation, then you can use cmd-w to close it and take you back to the Messages Column. • if you use the tab key then you'll need to use shift-tab to take you back to the Messages Column. Using the cmd-w in this case will close the mail window totally. Pressing cmd with any of my numbers will bring it back though. Just a different way of doing things. Hope this clears up your confusion. Sorry to have caused you any. Later… On 2011-07-24, at 9:51 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > Ahem, please pardon my ignorance here, i feel totally confused at the moment. > I have the list with the various mailboxes, and then if i tab i get the table > with the messages in them. They are arranged in conversations, but it looks > like the old threads except that i've got numbers that indicates how many > mails there are in a convo. If i right arrow on a conversation, i get to see > the messages in the conversation, and if i either tab or vo+j i get to where > the messages are shown. Vo up and down arrow here just reads the message. I'm > a bit confused, i have to admit. Do i have the new layout? > /Krister > 24 jul 2011 kl. 16:07 skrev Chris Westbrook: > >> No, the preview pane just shows one individual message. I think he might >> have meant to say tab from the message list instead of enter. If I tab from >> the message list I get all the messages in a conversation and I just have to >> either hit vo+up and down arrow if quick nab is off or just up and down >> arrow if it is on. Left and right will work too. Hope this helps. >> On Jul 24, 2011, at 8:38 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >> >>> Ahem, this left and right arrow thingy doesn't seem to work properly for >>> me in conversations. I'm using the preview pane, should i do that? Are your >>> conversations always expanded? >>> /Krister >>> >>> 24 jul 2011 kl. 02:20 skrev Tim Kilburn: >>> > Hi all, In playing with various things in Mail's new view, you may be interested in these ideas that I have found. They work for me and have sped up navigation in Mail considerably. You are welcome to use whatever works for you and ignore anything that doesn't fit your frame of mind. The two things I'll touch on here are use of the Favourites bar and Conversations. Favourites: • You can put your favourite Mailboxes into the Favourites bar by dragging and dropping them there. • The order they appear in the Favourites bar allows you to use the cmd key to quickly get to specific boxes. That is, the first item in the Favourite bar would be cmd-1, the second would be cmd-2 and so on. • When you drop something into the Favourites bar, it will land just after or to the right of the item you are focused on. • You can use this method to re-order items in the Favourites bar. • To remove an unwanted item from the Favourites bar, simply drag it off. That is, grab it and release it outside of the Favourites bar. I just drop it on the divider and its gone. • Now with minimal keystrokes, I can get between Mailboxes and right after I press cmd-1 for example, VO automatically brings focus to the Messages area where I can just use up and down arrows to navigate. • I also do not need the Mailboxes list shown either unless I wish to get to a less used Mailbox. It is easy to Show/Hide by pressing cmd-shift-m. Conversations: Not perfect yet but much easier for me using the following: • Arrow up or down and let VO announce the message and how ma
Re: Lion, Suppressing the Date field.
Hi Jim, An interesting question. I'm trying to figure out why the obvious answer, check the view menu's message attributes submenu, doesn't seem to work. The choice is dimmed, but it apparently exists. I'll get back to the list if I find out an answer to this one. Best, Zack. On Jul 24, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Jim Fettgather wrote: > Hello. > > Using the new mail layout in Lion, I'm wondering if there is a way to > suppress the date field, while still being informed of the sender, subject, > and the preview of the first two lines of the message? > > Thanks for any tips on this. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Lion, Suppressing the Date field.
Hi, If you change back to Classic mode, you are able to manipulate the columns displayed. But, when you put things back to the new view, you don't have that functionality. It appears that Apple has disabled that in the new view. Later… On 2011-07-24, at 10:41 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi Jim, > An interesting question. I'm trying to figure out why the obvious answer, > check the view menu's message attributes submenu, doesn't seem to work. The > choice is dimmed, but it apparently exists. I'll get back to the list if I > find out an answer to this one. > Best, > Zack. > On Jul 24, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Jim Fettgather wrote: > >> Hello. >> >> Using the new mail layout in Lion, I'm wondering if there is a way to >> suppress the date field, while still being informed of the sender, subject, >> and the preview of the first two lines of the message? >> >> Thanks for any tips on this. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Voice over lag and other lion issues
I enjoy reading email on the mac, mainly because I can interact with the messages table, and read just the subject of each message, I get through my email much faster than I can in windows, once I upgrade to lion, I will probably switch to the classic view. I can't think of any advantage to doing email in windows. On Jul 23, 2011, at 2:40 PM, David Tanner wrote: > I am glad that you found what you needed on the iPad. > > Meantime, I decided I would jump into mail and just see what everybody was > complaining about. Well, the first thing I did was to make a few changes > that I personally prefer and I have to say that thus far, after reading about > 25 messages I think I am happier with mail now than I was before when I quit > using the email on the Mac back around February. I may actually consider > changing and reading my email on the Mac. > > On Jul 22, 2011, at 11:56 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: > >> Hi David: >> Very well said. It's so easy to gripe and start blaming someone when what >> we did before doesn't work the same anymore. >> I like the way you've pointed this out. It sounds much better than I could >> have done. >> >> Take care >> Oh, and BTW: found that iPad setting. Thanks again. >> >> Carolyn >> >> On Jul 22, 2011, at 10:13 PM, David Tanner wrote: >> >>> How much of the problems that people are having is caused because the OS is >>> new, and things are done a bit different and it is too soon to have learned >>> the new ways of doing things in the new OS. There a large majority of >>> those who are complaining of problems who are new or relatively new to >>> Apple in the first place, and now they are trying to deal with a new >>> operating system which was announced to have way over 200 changes and new >>> features. >>> >>> People need to realize that it is going to take more than 24 hours to learn >>> a new operating system that has over 250 changes and new features. And, >>> how many of these folks have sat down with the list of new features and >>> even read through them to learn how to use those new features? >>> >>> Let's see where things are a month from now. I bet by then there are going >>> to be a lot of changed attitudes about the whole Lion experience. >>> >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 9:50 PM >>> Subject: Re: Voice over lag and other lion issues >>> >>> I wouldn't so much say that they are losing commitment, as much as I'd say, they seem to be getting very sloppy. I mean, ok, here's my thing. I totally am with all you all in saying everyone just chill. the only reason I'm keeping my stance so strong on this is the fact that look at this. I mean, this looks like we should still be running a beta with all these bugs. come on, lookit! We have some beta testers on here, do we not? Admit it, did you all see any of these bugs? If not, then wow. I apologize. Really I do. I'm then out of lign severely, and for that, I'm ashamed of myself, but, really, think about this for justa minute. OK, you all can shoot me, I know you may want me to shut up, as does a few people who we won't mention, but, if they and all you others will please I beg you, just! for once, hear me out for a second. If you will, and will at least acknowledge me, then I'll perhaps shut up. Just let me have this for a sec. Look, let's addres this from a fact stand point rather than a Chris's opinion standpoint, ok? this way it's more fair. 1. We all agree this is a new O S, right? 2. We all agree that things are very buggy in many areas, right? Uh dab dab dap? Holdit! I'm not done, listen to me! I'm still talking. You'll get your chance. I didn't ask you all if th3e problems can be addressed in a software update. I'll address that in a second. right now, we're just looking at the facts. OK? So I repeat: 2. Is it not true, that we all agree that lots of things are buggy? Yes, or no. 3. Do we all agree that these are problems that should have probably been addressed at least to some extent during the beta cycle before the official release? Yes or no>? 4. Do we all agree that most of these bugs can be delt with and tollerated to some degree? OK then. I think we all agree on all the above, so why such hostility toward me and everyone else on list by some members. Look, I feel you all's frustration, we just want things to work, but we also are getting frustrated at the nonconstructive messages cluttering the inbox of many. But, there is a delete key, and I assure you, things will die down once Lion is more progressed. Right now, everyone is just kind of in that what the bird state right now.
Re: SuperDuper Versus Carbon Copy Cloner
Both programs have this feature, but you need to purchase super duper to get it, carbon copy cloner is totally free, though you can make a donation, which is worth it, it's a great program. I use carbon copy cloner myself, but super duper is a great program as well. On Jul 23, 2011, at 1:08 PM, Paul Henrichsen wrote: > Hi, Guys. I am wondering if there is any significance between Carbon Copy > Cloner and SuperDuper. Obviously, one is free and one costs $26. But do both > have the smart backup feature? > I'm trying to figure which to get, but I really want the smart backup feature > so my backups to a USB drive won't take so long. > Thanks for any help. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
a question about installing lion.
Hi, If I do a clean install of lion, will I loose all of my internet passwords, and my license keys for all of my apps such as my infovox voices, audio hijack pro, etc? Thanks, Courtney -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: a question about installing lion.
Of course. You would be erasing your hard drive before the new OS is installed. hth Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 24, 2011, at 1:27 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: Hi, If I do a clean install of lion, will I loose all of my internet passwords, and my license keys for all of my apps such as my infovox voices, audio hijack pro, etc? Thanks, Courtney -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Activity Examples?
Make sure you have Hot Spots checked in the activities preference. - Austin On Jul 24, 2011, at 2:51 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > I've found the same behavior. > > Ricardo Walker > rwalker...@gmail.com > Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 > www.mobileaccess.org > > On Jul 23, 2011, at 5:16 PM, Brett C. wrote: > > I must be doing something wrong here. I created an activity for Mail, > checking the hotspots box,and affiliated it with the Mail app. While in > Mail, I set hotspots for the tool bar, inbox and message area. They work > great until I leave the Mail app. When I return the hotspots don't work. The > hotspot chooser menu shows the hotspots as each being inactive. I'd > appreciate any suggestions and direction. > > Brett C. > > On Jul 23, 2011, at 11:33 AM, Austin Seraphin wrote: > >> Hey. Check out my post a day and a half ago about using mail with >> activities, I provide a good example there. Basically, you can set up hot >> spots to take you to the different parts of the mail view, and thanks to >> activities those hot spots only work within mail, making hot spots much more >> useful. I've also got one set up for terminal. I have quick nav disabled to >> gain full use of the arrows, and reading most punctuation which works better >> at the console. Activities allow you to change any VoiceOver settings based >> on application, and you can switch between activities too. I think they have >> great potential. It wouldn't surprise me if we started seeing some default >> activities shipping with VoiceOver in the future. >> >> - Austin >> >> On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:56 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> I'm wondering if anybody here can give some examples of ways they find the >>> new activities feature useful? Coming from SL I'm used to not having them, >>> and so would love to hear from others cases where they're of practical >>> benefit. I'm mostly just curious, though that won't stop me from >>> shamelessly stealing your ideas if I like them well enough. :) >>> Thanks for any info, >>> Zack. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: a question about installing lion.
Hi, I have just one more question. I'm going through the instructions on how to install lion on a flawh drive. I have a 32 gb flash drive, but when I go into disc utility, I don't see a partition tab. Thanks, Courtney On Jul 24, 2011, at 1:32 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Of course. > > You would be erasing your hard drive before the new OS is installed. > > hth > > Ricardo Walker > rwalker...@gmail.com > Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 > www.mobileaccess.org > > On Jul 24, 2011, at 1:27 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: > > Hi, > If I do a clean install of lion, will I loose all of my internet passwords, > and my license keys for all of my apps such as my infovox voices, audio > hijack pro, etc? > Thanks, > Courtney > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Adium! Will, you? shut? up?!
Hey Chris. I've noticed this glitch when I have Samantha as my default voice for Voice Over. If you don't want to switch to Alex, I find that when you press control twice as Voice Over is speaking, Adium behaves as it should. But if you don't want this problem, I'd suggest you use Alex until this glitch is cleared up. HTH. Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Totally bizarre finding with Safari 5.1 in Lion
Hi, That makes sense, although i really wish that the very latest page got the focus. That way i wouldn't be so confused when i open an url from twitter or from a mail, and suddenly find myself someplace else entirely. hehehe. /Krister 24 jul 2011 kl. 18:21 skrev Laura M: > It's one of those things that's completely dependent on how you work. > I absolutely love the new way--I've almost always got pages open with > the intention of looking at them when I get around to it, and I only > really quit Safari unless it crashes or I have to restart the > computer. I was really happy when I had to quit the other day and got > all my pages back without having to go into the history menu to do > it. > > I do think it would be better, though, if you had a choice to decide > for each application whether you wanted it to resume or not. I mean, > you might not want it in Safari, but you might want it in TextEdit, in > which case turning it off in system prefs isn't necessarily the best > solution. > > On Jul 24, 11:50 am, Krister Ekstrom > wrote: >> Sorry for my total ignorance here, but i can't understand the point, even >> for a sighted person to have all windows from last session or even earlier >> sessions opened. I mean yes, if Safari has crashed, then it might be a good >> idea to reopen all windows from last session but why always? It would make >> sence if earlier windows opened in tabs, but like this? I just don't get it. >> /Krister >> >> 24 jul 2011 kl. 00:23 skrev Tim Kilburn: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Hi, >> >>> John is correct. As mentioned in a separate thread, you can use the >>> cmd-option-q which will Quit and Discard Windows, thus allowing you to >>> startup Safari from your Homepage. Alternatively, you can go into your >>> system Preferences, select the General pane and uncheck the box for >>> Recovering Windows. It sometimes doesn't take effect right away, but it >>> will. If you have problems with this, please repost and someone will >>> assist. >> >>> Later… >> >>> On 2011-07-23, at 2:11 PM, John Panarese wrote: >> Have you tried quitting Safari with, option-command-q instead of just command-q? I believe this will close all of the active Safari Windows and will not have them open next time you start Safari. >> Take Care >> John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com >> On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Shen wrote: >> > Teresa, > I saw that too, but it's not a checkbox. It's an option that lets Safari > open all the windows from the last session. > So that doesn't work. > Looks like 1 way of doing this is when I am done and about to quit > Safari, close all tabs and windows, then open my home page, then quit. > I can't imagine there is no way to just open the home page instead of all > windows from last session. Otherwise, what's the point of a home page? >> > On Jul 23, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: >> >> In the history menu in Safari, uncheck "Reopen all windows from last >> session". >> >> HTH, >> Teresa >> On Jul 23, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Shen wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> Yes, you and I are having the same issue. Whenever I open Safari, I >>> prefer to have only my hope page open. But for some reason, it is now >>> opening all the pages I had open the last time I quite Safari. As far >>> as I can find, there is no setting to change that. The other little >>> quirk I have is whenever a page is done loading, VoiceOver doesn't >>> always put me in the html content and start interacting with it. I have >>> to press VO-Shift-Down Arrow to start interacting with it. The second >>> issue is not that bad, but just a little annoying. >>> I sure would like to know if I can get Safari to open only my home page >>> and not all the tabs and windows I had open the last time before >>> quitting Safari. >> >>> On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:52 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >> I wholeheartedly agree with Chris here. Calm down, folks. If there's an issue, first check if there's a solution or workaround for the thing, if not, ask a question here, after the frustration has settled, and if that doesn't help, write a polite letter to Apples Accessibility team. I've got a couple issues i'm investigating now, one of them are on-topic here, and it's about how i go about having Safari not to open all the pages i had up last every time i open a new page. It makes sense when first starting Safari directly, but if there's a page i want to read, i don't want to have to close all the other pages that pop up and taking focus away from the page i want to read. Surely there must be a setting somewhere, only i can't find it. /Krister >> 23 jul 2011 kl. 03:39 skrev Chris Westbrook: >> > And in case anyone actually cares,
Re: Adium! Will, you? shut? up?!
I wasn't using Symantha. I was using Alex all along. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" To: Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 1:43 PM Subject: Re: Adium! Will, you? shut? up?! Hey Chris. I've noticed this glitch when I have Samantha as my default voice for Voice Over. If you don't want to switch to Alex, I find that when you press control twice as Voice Over is speaking, Adium behaves as it should. But if you don't want this problem, I'd suggest you use Alex until this glitch is cleared up. HTH. Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Voice over lag and other lion issues
Well said. Apple will sort it out. Until then, I've reverted to Snow Leopard, and I'll keep it until some updates to Lion have come out. Using a March 2011 Macbook Pro 13 inch with the I5 processor, and I went from 37 seconds to boot up in Snow Leopard, to 1 minute and 25 to boot up in Lion. Friendly, Chris On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:05 PM, Missy Hope wrote: > Amen! Very well said! I agree 100 percent with everything in this message. > Bottom line, we're paying the price for pouncing > on a new OS the day it came out. I'm sure that sooner or later, (hopefully > sooner), Apple will fix all of these issues. > Good night, all! > > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 10:50 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Voice over lag and other lion issues > Importance: High > > I wouldn't so much say that they are losing commitment, as much as I'd say, > they seem to be getting very sloppy. I mean, ok, here's my thing. I > totally am with all you all in saying everyone just chill. the only reason > I'm keeping my stance so strong on this is the fact that look at this. I > mean, this looks like we should still be running a beta with all these bugs. > come on, lookit! We have some beta testers on here, do we not? Admit it, > did you all see any of these bugs? If not, then wow. I apologize. Really > I do. I'm then out of lign severely, and for that, I'm ashamed of myself, > but, really, think about this for justa minute. OK, you all can shoot me, I > know you may want me to shut up, as does a few people who we won't mention, > but, if they and all you others will please I beg you, just! for once, hear > me out for a second. > > If you will, and will at least acknowledge me, then I'll perhaps shut up. > > Just let me have this for a sec. > > Look, let's addres this from a fact stand point rather than a Chris's > opinion standpoint, ok? > > this way it's more fair. > > 1. We all agree this is a new O S, right? > > 2. We all agree that things are very buggy in many areas, right? Uh dab > dab dap? Holdit! I'm not done, listen to me! I'm still talking. You'll > get your chance. I didn't ask you all if th3e problems can be addressed in > a software update. I'll address that in a second. right now, we're just > looking at the facts. OK? So I repeat: > > 2. Is it not true, that we all agree that lots of things are buggy? Yes, > or no. > > 3. Do we all agree that these are problems that should have probably been > addressed at least to some extent during the beta cycle before the official > release? Yes or no>? > > 4. Do we all agree that most of these bugs can be delt with and tollerated > to some degree? > > OK then. > > I think we all agree on all the above, so why such hostility toward me and > everyone else on list by some members. Look, I feel you all's frustration, > we just want things to work, but we also are getting frustrated at the > nonconstructive messages cluttering the inbox of many. But, there is a > delete key, and I assure you, things will die down once Lion is more > progressed. Right now, everyone is just kind of in that what the bird state > right now. > > do we need to chill? OK, maybe so, but, really people, do you really think > that an O S should be this buggy before official release? I know you all > don't like hearing what I'm saying, and it's pissing you all off hearing it, > but that's because I am not afraid to speak my mind nor the truth. The > blunt truth is, at least in my view of things, Apple is beginning to fail > miserably at there line of duty with accessibilty. Now, does this mean I'm > saying that they are purposefully? doing this? No! Mark it in red what I > say here: Ab, suh, lootly? not! I think they're just becoming more and > more lazy, maybe not wanting to be so involved. Maybe they're trying to > take on too much at once. I, don't, know! I don't know what goes on behind > the scenes there? I probably don't, wanna? know! The point is, we really > can't make accusations, can we! We don't know if they're really working > behind the scene or not. So, on the one hand, should we probably just > chill? Yes, but, having said that, is it mortally wrong for me to > constructively complain about observations I've found? Yes. Is it > justifiable to say negative things about bugs I find which we all knkow > exist? Yes! It's just an observation/opinion people? It's not your spouce > who won't... umm... I'm not finishing that... LOL! ROFL! > > You get the point. > > So in my defense, I ask jpeole, please be more gentle with me. I'm only > trying to help you all, and make suggestions. I may come on harsh at times, > I know I do, but for god sake, cut me some slack! I'm frustrated! Can you > blame me? Are we not all at one point or another in life? Bluntly? Deal >
using Boot Camp
Hello, I am thinking of running my mac book pro with a windows partition with Boot Camp. Is there any suggestions on the best way to do this. And then my other question is how do you get it to boot in the windows os? Thanks for the help ED -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: creating different voiceOver activities
I don't know if you can get it to switch languages on the fly, but you could at least create an appropriate activity. 1. Go into VoiceOver utility with Vo-f8. 2. Go down to activities, then go over to the add button and hit it. Type in a name, Spanish for example. 3. Now you'll see your new activity in the table. Go over to the checkboxes. These control which controls you can configure. 4. Check the Voices box and hit the button. Now you'll see a mostly familiar screen to configure your voice. Choose your spanish voice, make any other changes and hit close. Repeat this for any other groups of settings you wish to configure. 5. Exit the VoiceOver utility. Now to use the activity, hit Vo-x. You can switch between the last two activities with Vo-x-x, so you could easily switch between English and Spanish. That should do it. - AUstin On Jul 23, 2011, at 11:26 PM, Allison Manzino wrote: > Hi all, > > How do you create a VoiceOver actvity? I want to set up Monica the Spanish > voice I believe from Spain to read my E-mails from my finacé. How do I do > this? I have no idea how to go about this, but I have heard people talk about > how it can be done. Can anyone give me a step by step guide? Thank you so > much for any assistance you can provide. Have a great evening. > > Allison > > My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar! > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Finder Questions
Try going to it and hitting Command-E to eject it. On Jul 23, 2011, at 11:35 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote: > I hoooked up my VR Stream to my Mac to transfer some files. I tried to eject > the unit after the copy was done but for some reason the VR Stream continued > to show up on the Drives list. I decided to reboot to see if the VR Stream > stoppped being listed but it is still there in the list even though it is not > connected any longer. Does anyone have any ideas as to why? > > Thanks, > Kev > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Voice over lag and other lion issues
After seeing your message, I'm ready to cave and ask my question. What is the best way to revert to Snow Leopard. I used CCC to backup my drive right before I bought Lion, and I know that drive works perfectly. My main concern is getting rid of Lion's recovery partician if I revert. Would I boot from my external drive, format the mac's internal drive and then clone the external drive back onto it? I don't want to try reverting without clear instructions, but ever since I got lion, as much as I like the new voices, I just don't like anything else about it, so would like to give it another chance once some of the bugs have been sorted. I have another external drive handy, so might back lion up onto that so that I'll have all the voices ready to go whenever I'm ready to give it another chance, but for the time being, I honestly think I'd be happier reverting; I just need to know the best, safest way to do it that will insure getting rid of lion's recovery partician. Thanks! Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Snyder Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 2:50 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Voice over lag and other lion issues Well said. Apple will sort it out. Until then, I've reverted to Snow Leopard, and I'll keep it until some updates to Lion have come out. Using a March 2011 Macbook Pro 13 inch with the I5 processor, and I went from 37 seconds to boot up in Snow Leopard, to 1 minute and 25 to boot up in Lion. Friendly, Chris On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:05 PM, Missy Hope wrote: > Amen! Very well said! I agree 100 percent with everything in this message. > Bottom line, we're paying the price for pouncing > on a new OS the day it came out. I'm sure that sooner or later, (hopefully > sooner), Apple will fix all of these issues. > Good night, all! > > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 10:50 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Voice over lag and other lion issues > Importance: High > > I wouldn't so much say that they are losing commitment, as much as I'd say, > they seem to be getting very sloppy. I mean, ok, here's my thing. I > totally am with all you all in saying everyone just chill. the only reason > I'm keeping my stance so strong on this is the fact that look at this. I > mean, this looks like we should still be running a beta with all these bugs. > come on, lookit! We have some beta testers on here, do we not? Admit it, > did you all see any of these bugs? If not, then wow. I apologize. Really > I do. I'm then out of lign severely, and for that, I'm ashamed of myself, > but, really, think about this for justa minute. OK, you all can shoot me, I > know you may want me to shut up, as does a few people who we won't mention, > but, if they and all you others will please I beg you, just! for once, hear > me out for a second. > > If you will, and will at least acknowledge me, then I'll perhaps shut up. > > Just let me have this for a sec. > > Look, let's addres this from a fact stand point rather than a Chris's > opinion standpoint, ok? > > this way it's more fair. > > 1. We all agree this is a new O S, right? > > 2. We all agree that things are very buggy in many areas, right? Uh dab > dab dap? Holdit! I'm not done, listen to me! I'm still talking. You'll > get your chance. I didn't ask you all if th3e problems can be addressed in > a software update. I'll address that in a second. right now, we're just > looking at the facts. OK? So I repeat: > > 2. Is it not true, that we all agree that lots of things are buggy? Yes, > or no. > > 3. Do we all agree that these are problems that should have probably been > addressed at least to some extent during the beta cycle before the official > release? Yes or no>? > > 4. Do we all agree that most of these bugs can be delt with and tollerated > to some degree? > > OK then. > > I think we all agree on all the above, so why such hostility toward me and > everyone else on list by some members. Look, I feel you all's frustration, > we just want things to work, but we also are getting frustrated at the > nonconstructive messages cluttering the inbox of many. But, there is a > delete key, and I assure you, things will die down once Lion is more > progressed. Right now, everyone is just kind of in that what the bird state > right now. > > do we need to chill? OK, maybe so, but, really people, do you really think > that an O S should be this buggy before official release? I know you all > don't like hearing what I'm saying, and it's pissing you all off hearing it, > but that's because I am not afraid to speak my mind nor the truth. The > blunt truth is, at least in my view of things, Apple is beginning to fail > miserably at there line of duty with accessibilty.
Re: Voice over lag and other lion issues
Hi, I would disagree with the premise that Apple is getting sloppy as well as the comment of Lion being riddled with bugs to the point of a Beta release. Apple's commitment to accessibility is evident through the improvements and modifications to VO and the group of Beta testers involved in its Beta phase. As mentioned in previous posts, most of the issues called bugs over the last few days of posting are simply a different way of doing things. Humans, for the most part, resist change. There are some exceptions but most of us get used to doing things in a certain way and are set back when things are changed/modified. That's partially why we here so much noise about VO not being as good as JAWS by many PC users and many early switchers. I, myself, have been a VO user since its introduction in 2005 and each time the new OS is released, I struggle with some of the new ways of doing things. This isn't to say that each of my struggles are bugs in the OS implementation, they are just hurdles for me because I'm used to doing things in a different way. So, in a nutshell, I take exception to comments on Apple's sloppiness. I agree that Lion is slower in booting, but if I don't turn my Mac off that often, then what's the big deal. I agree that there is quite a number of things done differently, but, you still can teach an old dog new tricks, and I'm game for it. Just my opinion. Later… On 2011-07-24, at 12:49 PM, Chris Snyder wrote: > Well said. Apple will sort it out. Until then, I've reverted to Snow Leopard, > and I'll keep it until some updates to Lion have come out. Using a March 2011 > Macbook Pro 13 inch with the I5 processor, and I went from 37 seconds to boot > up in Snow Leopard, to 1 minute and 25 to boot up in Lion. > Friendly, > Chris > > On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:05 PM, Missy Hope wrote: > >> Amen! Very well said! I agree 100 percent with everything in this message. >> Bottom line, we're paying the price for pouncing >> on a new OS the day it came out. I'm sure that sooner or later, (hopefully >> sooner), Apple will fix all of these issues. >> Good night, all! >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark >> Gilland >> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 10:50 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Voice over lag and other lion issues >> Importance: High >> >> I wouldn't so much say that they are losing commitment, as much as I'd say, >> they seem to be getting very sloppy. I mean, ok, here's my thing. I >> totally am with all you all in saying everyone just chill. the only reason >> I'm keeping my stance so strong on this is the fact that look at this. I >> mean, this looks like we should still be running a beta with all these bugs. >> come on, lookit! We have some beta testers on here, do we not? Admit it, >> did you all see any of these bugs? If not, then wow. I apologize. Really >> I do. I'm then out of lign severely, and for that, I'm ashamed of myself, >> but, really, think about this for justa minute. OK, you all can shoot me, I >> know you may want me to shut up, as does a few people who we won't mention, >> but, if they and all you others will please I beg you, just! for once, hear >> me out for a second. >> >> If you will, and will at least acknowledge me, then I'll perhaps shut up. >> >> Just let me have this for a sec. >> >> Look, let's addres this from a fact stand point rather than a Chris's >> opinion standpoint, ok? >> >> this way it's more fair. >> >> 1. We all agree this is a new O S, right? >> >> 2. We all agree that things are very buggy in many areas, right? Uh dab >> dab dap? Holdit! I'm not done, listen to me! I'm still talking. You'll >> get your chance. I didn't ask you all if th3e problems can be addressed in >> a software update. I'll address that in a second. right now, we're just >> looking at the facts. OK? So I repeat: >> >> 2. Is it not true, that we all agree that lots of things are buggy? Yes, >> or no. >> >> 3. Do we all agree that these are problems that should have probably been >> addressed at least to some extent during the beta cycle before the official >> release? Yes or no>? >> >> 4. Do we all agree that most of these bugs can be delt with and tollerated >> to some degree? >> >> OK then. >> >> I think we all agree on all the above, so why such hostility toward me and >> everyone else on list by some members. Look, I feel you all's frustration, >> we just want things to work, but we also are getting frustrated at the >> nonconstructive messages cluttering the inbox of many. But, there is a >> delete key, and I assure you, things will die down once Lion is more >> progressed. Right now, everyone is just kind of in that what the bird state >> right now. >> >> do we need to chill? OK, maybe so, but, really people, do you really think >> that an O S should be this bug
Re: Voice over lag and other lion issues
I think definitely part of the problem is that, with a new OS, we do have to learn to do things in a different way, but I also wonder if we can isolate these problems to specific system configurations. I have an iMac with 4 GB RAM, 2.66 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo and I am not having the lag issues people are experiencing. I do get the strange com.apple.extras message on boot up, but it doesn't really bother me. I'm more intrigued about it than anything else. I don't notice much of a difference at all in boot up times, although I rarely reboot my iMac anyway. I don't doubt at all that people are having problems, but since some of us are having problems and others not, I wonder if we can try to isolate the issues instead of just saying how terrible things are? On Jul 24, 2011, at 3:07 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: > Hi, > > I would disagree with the premise that Apple is getting sloppy as well as the > comment of Lion being riddled with bugs to the point of a Beta release. > Apple's commitment to accessibility is evident through the improvements and > modifications to VO and the group of Beta testers involved in its Beta phase. > > As mentioned in previous posts, most of the issues called bugs over the last > few days of posting are simply a different way of doing things. Humans, for > the most part, resist change. There are some exceptions but most of us get > used to doing things in a certain way and are set back when things are > changed/modified. That's partially why we here so much noise about VO not > being as good as JAWS by many PC users and many early switchers. > > I, myself, have been a VO user since its introduction in 2005 and each time > the new OS is released, I struggle with some of the new ways of doing things. > This isn't to say that each of my struggles are bugs in the OS > implementation, they are just hurdles for me because I'm used to doing things > in a different way. > > So, in a nutshell, I take exception to comments on Apple's sloppiness. I > agree that Lion is slower in booting, but if I don't turn my Mac off that > often, then what's the big deal. I agree that there is quite a number of > things done differently, but, you still can teach an old dog new tricks, and > I'm game for it. > > Just my opinion. > > Later… > > On 2011-07-24, at 12:49 PM, Chris Snyder wrote: > >> Well said. Apple will sort it out. Until then, I've reverted to Snow >> Leopard, and I'll keep it until some updates to Lion have come out. Using a >> March 2011 Macbook Pro 13 inch with the I5 processor, and I went from 37 >> seconds to boot up in Snow Leopard, to 1 minute and 25 to boot up in Lion. >> Friendly, >> Chris >> >> On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:05 PM, Missy Hope wrote: >> >>> Amen! Very well said! I agree 100 percent with everything in this message. >>> Bottom line, we're paying the price for pouncing >>> on a new OS the day it came out. I'm sure that sooner or later, (hopefully >>> sooner), Apple will fix all of these issues. >>> Good night, all! >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark >>> Gilland >>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 10:50 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Voice over lag and other lion issues >>> Importance: High >>> >>> I wouldn't so much say that they are losing commitment, as much as I'd say, >>> they seem to be getting very sloppy. I mean, ok, here's my thing. I >>> totally am with all you all in saying everyone just chill. the only reason >>> I'm keeping my stance so strong on this is the fact that look at this. I >>> mean, this looks like we should still be running a beta with all these bugs. >>> come on, lookit! We have some beta testers on here, do we not? Admit it, >>> did you all see any of these bugs? If not, then wow. I apologize. Really >>> I do. I'm then out of lign severely, and for that, I'm ashamed of myself, >>> but, really, think about this for justa minute. OK, you all can shoot me, I >>> know you may want me to shut up, as does a few people who we won't mention, >>> but, if they and all you others will please I beg you, just! for once, hear >>> me out for a second. >>> >>> If you will, and will at least acknowledge me, then I'll perhaps shut up. >>> >>> Just let me have this for a sec. >>> >>> Look, let's addres this from a fact stand point rather than a Chris's >>> opinion standpoint, ok? >>> >>> this way it's more fair. >>> >>> 1. We all agree this is a new O S, right? >>> >>> 2. We all agree that things are very buggy in many areas, right? Uh dab >>> dab dap? Holdit! I'm not done, listen to me! I'm still talking. You'll >>> get your chance. I didn't ask you all if th3e problems can be addressed in >>> a software update. I'll address that in a second. right now, we're just >>> looking at the facts. OK? So I repeat: >>> >>> 2. Is it not true, that we all a
Re: Voice over lag and other lion issues
I have to fully agree with Tim. A great deal of what I have read has been simply a result of changes to how people are used to doing things and not being familiar with those changes. Yes, some things work differently than they did in SL, but this does not equate to a "bug" in the least. I think a lot of people are just reacting to those changes and others who are trying to decide whether or not to install Lion are being effected by the fact that a lot of the list traffic is being derived from the simple reality that Lion is just 4 days old and folks have not completely gotten their heads around what Apple has changed. In all honesty, just install Lion, work with it and like Snow Leopard, or any other operating system you have used, you will adapt and get used to it. Whatever actual "bugs" currently exist will be fixed as time goes on. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com On Jul 24, 2011, at 3:07 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: > Hi, > > I would disagree with the premise that Apple is getting sloppy as well as the > comment of Lion being riddled with bugs to the point of a Beta release. > Apple's commitment to accessibility is evident through the improvements and > modifications to VO and the group of Beta testers involved in its Beta phase. > > As mentioned in previous posts, most of the issues called bugs over the last > few days of posting are simply a different way of doing things. Humans, for > the most part, resist change. There are some exceptions but most of us get > used to doing things in a certain way and are set back when things are > changed/modified. That's partially why we here so much noise about VO not > being as good as JAWS by many PC users and many early switchers. > > I, myself, have been a VO user since its introduction in 2005 and each time > the new OS is released, I struggle with some of the new ways of doing things. > This isn't to say that each of my struggles are bugs in the OS > implementation, they are just hurdles for me because I'm used to doing things > in a different way. > > So, in a nutshell, I take exception to comments on Apple's sloppiness. I > agree that Lion is slower in booting, but if I don't turn my Mac off that > often, then what's the big deal. I agree that there is quite a number of > things done differently, but, you still can teach an old dog new tricks, and > I'm game for it. > > Just my opinion. > > Later… > > On 2011-07-24, at 12:49 PM, Chris Snyder wrote: > >> Well said. Apple will sort it out. Until then, I've reverted to Snow >> Leopard, and I'll keep it until some updates to Lion have come out. Using a >> March 2011 Macbook Pro 13 inch with the I5 processor, and I went from 37 >> seconds to boot up in Snow Leopard, to 1 minute and 25 to boot up in Lion. >> Friendly, >> Chris >> >> On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:05 PM, Missy Hope wrote: >> >>> Amen! Very well said! I agree 100 percent with everything in this message. >>> Bottom line, we're paying the price for pouncing >>> on a new OS the day it came out. I'm sure that sooner or later, (hopefully >>> sooner), Apple will fix all of these issues. >>> Good night, all! >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark >>> Gilland >>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 10:50 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Voice over lag and other lion issues >>> Importance: High >>> >>> I wouldn't so much say that they are losing commitment, as much as I'd say, >>> they seem to be getting very sloppy. I mean, ok, here's my thing. I >>> totally am with all you all in saying everyone just chill. the only reason >>> I'm keeping my stance so strong on this is the fact that look at this. I >>> mean, this looks like we should still be running a beta with all these bugs. >>> come on, lookit! We have some beta testers on here, do we not? Admit it, >>> did you all see any of these bugs? If not, then wow. I apologize. Really >>> I do. I'm then out of lign severely, and for that, I'm ashamed of myself, >>> but, really, think about this for justa minute. OK, you all can shoot me, I >>> know you may want me to shut up, as does a few people who we won't mention, >>> but, if they and all you others will please I beg you, just! for once, hear >>> me out for a second. >>> >>> If you will, and will at least acknowledge me, then I'll perhaps shut up. >>> >>> Just let me have this for a sec. >>> >>> Look, let's addres this from a fact stand point rather than a Chris's >>> opinion standpoint, ok? >>> >>> this way it's more fair. >>> >>> 1. We all agree this is a new O S, right? >>> >>> 2. We all agree that things are very buggy in many areas, right? Uh dab >>> dab dap? Holdit! I'm not done, listen to me! I'm still talking. You'll >>> get your chance. I didn't ask you all if th3e problems can be addressed in >>> a software update. I
Re: Voice over lag and other lion issues
Hey Chris. The only thing that concerns me, is how can I get back up to ITunes 10.3, without going all the way to 10.4 in software update should I choose to downgrade back to SL. I don't think I will, but, just in case. I do have a dmg of 10.3, but when I tried installing it over top of 10.4, it obviously didn't work. Chris. On Jul 24, 2011, at 2:49 PM, Chris Snyder wrote: > Well said. Apple will sort it out. Until then, I've reverted to Snow Leopard, > and I'll keep it until some updates to Lion have come out. Using a March 2011 > Macbook Pro 13 inch with the I5 processor, and I went from 37 seconds to boot > up in Snow Leopard, to 1 minute and 25 to boot up in Lion. > Friendly, > Chris > > On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:05 PM, Missy Hope wrote: > >> Amen! Very well said! I agree 100 percent with everything in this message. >> Bottom line, we're paying the price for pouncing >> on a new OS the day it came out. I'm sure that sooner or later, (hopefully >> sooner), Apple will fix all of these issues. >> Good night, all! >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark >> Gilland >> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 10:50 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Voice over lag and other lion issues >> Importance: High >> >> I wouldn't so much say that they are losing commitment, as much as I'd say, >> they seem to be getting very sloppy. I mean, ok, here's my thing. I >> totally am with all you all in saying everyone just chill. the only reason >> I'm keeping my stance so strong on this is the fact that look at this. I >> mean, this looks like we should still be running a beta with all these bugs. >> come on, lookit! We have some beta testers on here, do we not? Admit it, >> did you all see any of these bugs? If not, then wow. I apologize. Really >> I do. I'm then out of lign severely, and for that, I'm ashamed of myself, >> but, really, think about this for justa minute. OK, you all can shoot me, I >> know you may want me to shut up, as does a few people who we won't mention, >> but, if they and all you others will please I beg you, just! for once, hear >> me out for a second. >> >> If you will, and will at least acknowledge me, then I'll perhaps shut up. >> >> Just let me have this for a sec. >> >> Look, let's addres this from a fact stand point rather than a Chris's >> opinion standpoint, ok? >> >> this way it's more fair. >> >> 1. We all agree this is a new O S, right? >> >> 2. We all agree that things are very buggy in many areas, right? Uh dab >> dab dap? Holdit! I'm not done, listen to me! I'm still talking. You'll >> get your chance. I didn't ask you all if th3e problems can be addressed in >> a software update. I'll address that in a second. right now, we're just >> looking at the facts. OK? So I repeat: >> >> 2. Is it not true, that we all agree that lots of things are buggy? Yes, >> or no. >> >> 3. Do we all agree that these are problems that should have probably been >> addressed at least to some extent during the beta cycle before the official >> release? Yes or no>? >> >> 4. Do we all agree that most of these bugs can be delt with and tollerated >> to some degree? >> >> OK then. >> >> I think we all agree on all the above, so why such hostility toward me and >> everyone else on list by some members. Look, I feel you all's frustration, >> we just want things to work, but we also are getting frustrated at the >> nonconstructive messages cluttering the inbox of many. But, there is a >> delete key, and I assure you, things will die down once Lion is more >> progressed. Right now, everyone is just kind of in that what the bird state >> right now. >> >> do we need to chill? OK, maybe so, but, really people, do you really think >> that an O S should be this buggy before official release? I know you all >> don't like hearing what I'm saying, and it's pissing you all off hearing it, >> but that's because I am not afraid to speak my mind nor the truth. The >> blunt truth is, at least in my view of things, Apple is beginning to fail >> miserably at there line of duty with accessibilty. Now, does this mean I'm >> saying that they are purposefully? doing this? No! Mark it in red what I >> say here: Ab, suh, lootly? not! I think they're just becoming more and >> more lazy, maybe not wanting to be so involved. Maybe they're trying to >> take on too much at once. I, don't, know! I don't know what goes on behind >> the scenes there? I probably don't, wanna? know! The point is, we really >> can't make accusations, can we! We don't know if they're really working >> behind the scene or not. So, on the one hand, should we probably just >> chill? Yes, but, having said that, is it mortally wrong for me to >> constructively complain about observations I've found? Yes. Is it >> justifiable to say negative things about bugs I find wh
Move Addict in Lion
Hey all. I've noticed that in Lion, Move Addict won't stay open. What I was trying to do was cut and paste a few songs I downloaded from Youtube onto my music folder on my USB drive. But for some reason Finder won't let me select multiple files so I've been having to reopen Move Addict everytime I want to cut and paste something. Has anybody else noticed this and is there a work around? Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
File Sharing, Windows and Mac, oh my
Hello Everyone, Is anyone on list able to share folders across both their Windows and Mac machines? I would like to be able to copy files to and from each machine if at all possible. I am running Windows 7 and Lion. I am wondering if Lion Server may help out here? Anyone got any good pointers on this topic? I know I could use Dropbox but boy is that slow. Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Move Addict in Lion
Hi Shawn, Do you really need Move Addict? Lion now natively supports moving files with cmd-option-v, which has always worked for me even with multiple selections. I don't consider Move Addict necessary any more and have removed it. Best, Zack. On Jul 24, 2011, at 12:38 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote: > Hey all. I've noticed that in Lion, Move Addict won't stay open. What I was > trying to do was cut and paste a few songs I downloaded from Youtube onto my > music folder on my USB drive. But for some reason Finder won't let me select > multiple files so I've been having to reopen Move Addict everytime I want to > cut and paste something. Has anybody else noticed this and is there a work > around? > > Shawn > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: File Sharing, Windows and Mac, oh my
Hi I have mine working, however I had to turn off the anti-virus third party stuff. My knowledge is limited, but I did add an account password… I turned on filesharing in windows and on the mac side in nethe system preferences. It is a bit spotty and had to re-boot windows a couple of times. I hope to learn more about networks and be able to provide a better answer in the future. On 2011-07-24, at 3:42 PM, Jeff Bishop wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > Is anyone on list able to share folders across both their Windows and Mac > machines? I would like to be able to copy files to and from each machine if > at all possible. I am running Windows 7 and Lion. I am wondering if Lion > Server may help out here? Anyone got any good pointers on this topic? > > I know I could use Dropbox but boy is that slow. > > Jeff > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
confused about drag and drop in lion
Hi, I'm trying to use drag and drop. Once I press vo-comma, and Voiceover says the selected files are marked for drag and drop. Then when I go over to my destination folder I press vo-period, and it says drag and drop started. Then, here's where I encounter a problem, if I hit any other key, it says "drag and drop cancelled". So my question is, how do I complete the drag and drop process. Thanks, Courtney -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
2 Problems
I am not sure whether these issues are related to Lion or the upgrades of Safari and iTunes. First, before upgrading to Lion, I wanted to make sure that I had the latest updates. So, when I checked, I went ahead and installed both Safari 5.1 and iTunes 10.4. After completing the Lion update, I-Tunes had been rolled back to 10.3. I assume this is because of the update for I-Tunes being released after Lion. Anyway, because of this, I had a problem with my iTunes library, it was created for 10.4 and not compatible with 10.3. The update to 10.4 wouldn't work for me. So, I deleted the existing library and recreated it by importing all my music and other stuff back in to iTunes. Since then, I have read about the problems with iTunes 10.4 so have avoided the upgrade. Now, finally, to my problems. I-tunes is extremely sluggish when moving through my list of songs. Periodically it will say busy busy and I will have to wait some seconds before continuing to move through the list. This is a complaint I read about on this list, but, that was with 10.4, or, at least, I thought it was. The other problem is that on some sites, I am getting safari busy messages all the time while trying to scroll through an article. This is totally inconsistent and I can't figure it out. yes, I have already taken the suggestion of turning off the monitoring of live areas, this appears to have made absolutely no difference whatsoever. I have also tried webkit with the latest nightly build and it has made no difference at all. I am wondering now if, because of the upgrade first and then downgrade to iTunes, if something is corrupt. I have, as I said before, already completely removed and imported all my music and other stuff in iTunes. So, I am thinking now that I will have to do an install from scratch. However, I am trying to avoid this if possible. Everything else, as far as I know, is working just fine. If anyone has any ideas at all, I would definitely appreciate them. Thanks so much. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: battery life in my MacBook Pro
Hello All, I can definitely confirm that my 2010 MacBook Pro is running much hotter with Lion and the batter life is not as good. As others have reported, I am experiencing some definite sluggishness when typing with Alex as the Default Voice. Mark On Jul 24, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: > Yes, everything is absolutely identical to the way it was set in SL. > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 6:35 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: battery life in my MacBook Pro > > Hi, > > are all your energy and display settings the same? IDK, maybe the rep really > hadn't encountered such a call. Having ones > battery life cut clean in half is probably something only experienced by a > very small number of people who upgraded to Lion. > > Ricardo Walker > rwalker...@gmail.com > Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 > www.mobileaccess.org > > On Jul 24, 2011, at 6:13 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: > > Yes, this is precisely what I reported to the group on Friday. My battery > life has been cut in half, and I know of at least > two other people who are experiencing this. My macbook pro is the 2011 model, > and where I used to get at least 8 hours > battery life under SL, I'm now lucky to get four with lion. If you have an > opportunity, please report this problem to Apple. > When I called it in on Friday, the rep I talked to was willing to help, but > acted as though nobody had ever reported such an > issue before. > Missy > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shen > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 3:07 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: battery life in my MacBook Pro > > OK, before any of you are a bit trigger happy with the reply button, let me > preface this message by saying that I understand > battery life is not something that is easy to calculate. Each minute your > MacBook can be doing different things and the power > draw from the battery is not consistent. > > Having said that, I am somewhat convinced the battery life for my MacBook > using Lion is now somewhat less than when I had > Snow Leopard. I cannot prove it of course with easily reproduced steps. But > at the moment, as I am writing this email, my > battery status says 20-percent, an hour and 18 minutes remaining. > If we calculate this up to 100-percent, we know this battery will last 390 > minutes. > I of course don't know what the battery life would calculate to be if > everything is the same, and I am writing this email > under SL instead of Lion. > But what I do know is that under SL, my battery can give me 10 plus hours of > nonstop usage. > This is doing anything but running Safari. I have mid-2010 MacBook Pro. > Again, I am not saying the battery life is definitely less, but it certainly > feels that way. Especially when my laptop seems > to run a little more warm than it has been in the past. > > I am not seeking any answers. I just want to bring this to your attention so > you can be aware of your MacBook's battery life > under Lion. > I imagine this has a lot to do with what some people are saying about the > Spotlight. Lion probably has a new way of indexing > the files in your system and is caching it more actively than SL. I am not in > panic mode yet. I am quite sure Apple will come > out with an update to improve the battery life. > For the meantime, I cannot expect the 10-hours of battery life I had before > running SL. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, sen
Absolutely incredibly awesome finding in Safari, Item chooser issue resolved!
Hey guys. You're not gonna believe what Mom and I just discovered! This is totally cool! Remember how vo+F for find used to only search what was visually on the screen, well, I just had her scroll me where my findquery was searching for something not visually on the screen. It? Did it! It found it almost instantly! So, this leads me to think that maybe Apple now wants us using vo+F in Safari. I don't know if that would work everywhere globally, but it sure as hell does in Safari. Even the things like the gmail sign out link, or the hazel nuts etc. all those that you all've reported don't work in the item chooser list, I too confirm they don't with vo+I, but visually on screen or not, they work perfectly here with vo+F. Wait ago! Apple! I can't believe that none of us thought of trying this sooner. I guess I just assumed that vo+F still worked as always and thus didn't bother trying. God do I feel stupid. Frankly all of us should. LOL! Now, if they could fix the ITunes sluggishness, and then the ITunes not speaking while scrolling, then finally can fix the Safari issue where it notifies you when a download begins without having to look at your toobar then we'd have it made. Chris. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: confused about drag and drop in lion
Oh, strange. Well you're doing better than me. I can't even get it to say drag drop completed. On Jul 24, 2011, at 4:13 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: > Hi, > I'm trying to use drag and drop. Once I press vo-comma, and Voiceover says > the selected files are marked for drag and drop. Then when I go over to my > destination folder I press vo-period, and it says drag and drop started. > Then, here's where I encounter a problem, if I hit any other key, it says > "drag and drop cancelled". So my question is, how do I complete the drag and > drop process. > Thanks, > Courtney > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: battery life in my MacBook Pro
Have you reported to apple yet? They really need to know this stuff. Reps I talked to seemed all surprised and clueless, even though all were friendly and willing to help. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 4:33 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: battery life in my MacBook Pro Hello All, I can definitely confirm that my 2010 MacBook Pro is running much hotter with Lion and the batter life is not as good. As others have reported, I am experiencing some definite sluggishness when typing with Alex as the Default Voice. Mark On Jul 24, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: > Yes, everything is absolutely identical to the way it was set in SL. > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 6:35 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: battery life in my MacBook Pro > > Hi, > > are all your energy and display settings the same? IDK, maybe the rep really > hadn't encountered such a call. Having ones > battery life cut clean in half is probably something only experienced by a > very small number of people who upgraded to Lion. > > Ricardo Walker > rwalker...@gmail.com > Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 > www.mobileaccess.org > > On Jul 24, 2011, at 6:13 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: > > Yes, this is precisely what I reported to the group on Friday. My battery > life has been cut in half, and I know of at least > two other people who are experiencing this. My macbook pro is the 2011 model, > and where I used to get at least 8 hours > battery life under SL, I'm now lucky to get four with lion. If you have an > opportunity, please report this problem to Apple. > When I called it in on Friday, the rep I talked to was willing to help, but > acted as though nobody had ever reported such an > issue before. > Missy > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shen > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 3:07 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: battery life in my MacBook Pro > > OK, before any of you are a bit trigger happy with the reply button, let me > preface this message by saying that I understand > battery life is not something that is easy to calculate. Each minute your > MacBook can be doing different things and the power > draw from the battery is not consistent. > > Having said that, I am somewhat convinced the battery life for my MacBook > using Lion is now somewhat less than when I had > Snow Leopard. I cannot prove it of course with easily reproduced steps. But > at the moment, as I am writing this email, my > battery status says 20-percent, an hour and 18 minutes remaining. > If we calculate this up to 100-percent, we know this battery will last 390 > minutes. > I of course don't know what the battery life would calculate to be if > everything is the same, and I am writing this email > under SL instead of Lion. > But what I do know is that under SL, my battery can give me 10 plus hours of > nonstop usage. > This is doing anything but running Safari. I have mid-2010 MacBook Pro. > Again, I am not saying the battery life is definitely less, but it certainly > feels that way. Especially when my laptop seems > to run a little more warm than it has been in the past. > > I am not seeking any answers. I just want to bring this to your attention so > you can be aware of your MacBook's battery life > under Lion. > I imagine this has a lot to do with what some people are saying about the > Spotlight. Lion probably has a new way of indexing > the files in your system and is caching it more actively than SL. I am not in > panic mode yet. I am quite sure Apple will come > out with an update to improve the battery life. > For the meantime, I cannot expect the 10-hours of battery life I had before > running SL. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubsc
Re: Absolutely incredibly awesome finding in Safari, Item chooser issue resolved!
Hi Chris and All, Maybe I'm missing something, but I always used vo-f in Safari, whether in Snow ELeopard or Lion. It always worked for me as far as I could tell, and I have no idea whether things were visually on screen or not, though it didn't seem so. So I'm surprised this is new? Best, Zack. On Jul 24, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > Hey guys. > > You're not gonna believe what Mom and I just discovered! This is totally > cool! Remember how vo+F for find used to only search what was visually on > the screen, well, I just had her scroll me where my findquery was searching > for something not visually on the screen. It? Did it! It found it almost > instantly! So, this leads me to think that maybe Apple now wants us using > vo+F in Safari. I don't know if that would work everywhere globally, but it > sure as hell does in Safari. Even the things like the gmail sign out link, > or the hazel nuts etc. all those that you all've reported don't work in the > item chooser list, I too confirm they don't with vo+I, but visually on screen > or not, they work perfectly here with vo+F. Wait ago! Apple! I can't > believe that none of us thought of trying this sooner. I guess I just > assumed that vo+F still worked as always and thus didn't bother trying. God > do I feel stupid. Frankly all of us should. LOL! > > Now, if they could fix the ITunes sluggishness, and then the ITunes not > speaking while scrolling, then finally can fix the Safari issue where it > notifies you when a download begins without having to look at your toobar > then we'd have it made. > > Chris. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Making an Install Flash Drive for Lion: Tutorial Link
Hi, I partitioned a 32 gb flash drive, then I went to the restore tab in disc utility. I chose the .dmg file as my source, but how can I choose my destination as the flash drive? Thanks, Courtney On Jul 24, 2011, at 5:53 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote: > Hi Teresa and list, > > Am 24.07.2011 um 08:03 schrieb Teresa Cochran: > >> I saw a few questions on this list about this, so I looked it up. Here's a >> link. Note that it's geared more toward sighted users, but basically it >> involves taking the .dmg file and working with it in Disc Utility. >> http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-make-your-own-os-x-lion-bootable-usb-flash-drive-tutorial/ > > Quite interesting. The only issue: There is no Lion file in my application > folder. Do you have an idea what to do then? > > Thanks and > all the best > Jürgen > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Absolutely incredibly awesome finding in Safari, Item chooser issue resolved!
OK, cause I was always under the impression this only worked if it was visually on the screen. Maybe that was only in Tiger. I'll admit I've not used vo+F sense either Tiger or Leopard. I think Leopard actually. I don't think Tiger had it. Anyway, you learn something every day, huh. Chris. On Jul 24, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi Chris and All, > Maybe I'm missing something, but I always used vo-f in Safari, whether in > Snow ELeopard or Lion. It always worked for me as far as I could tell, and I > have no idea whether things were visually on screen or not, though it didn't > seem so. So I'm surprised this is new? > Best, > Zack. > On Jul 24, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > >> Hey guys. >> >> You're not gonna believe what Mom and I just discovered! This is totally >> cool! Remember how vo+F for find used to only search what was visually on >> the screen, well, I just had her scroll me where my findquery was searching >> for something not visually on the screen. It? Did it! It found it almost >> instantly! So, this leads me to think that maybe Apple now wants us using >> vo+F in Safari. I don't know if that would work everywhere globally, but it >> sure as hell does in Safari. Even the things like the gmail sign out link, >> or the hazel nuts etc. all those that you all've reported don't work in the >> item chooser list, I too confirm they don't with vo+I, but visually on >> screen or not, they work perfectly here with vo+F. Wait ago! Apple! I >> can't believe that none of us thought of trying this sooner. I guess I just >> assumed that vo+F still worked as always and thus didn't bother trying. God >> do I feel stupid. Frankly all of us should. LOL! >> >> Now, if they could fix the ITunes sluggishness, and then the ITunes not >> speaking while scrolling, then finally can fix the Safari issue where it >> notifies you when a download begins without having to look at your toobar >> then we'd have it made. >> >> Chris. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Absolutely incredibly awesome finding in Safari, Item chooser issue resolved!
Oh wow! That really is great news! I haven't played much with saphari yet, and hadn't gotten into habbit of using item chooser in any case, but I'm really realieved that you've managed to cross 1 lion bug off your list! Congratulations! -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 4:33 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Absolutely incredibly awesome finding in Safari, Item chooser issue resolved! Importance: High Hey guys. You're not gonna believe what Mom and I just discovered! This is totally cool! Remember how vo+F for find used to only search what was visually on the screen, well, I just had her scroll me where my findquery was searching for something not visually on the screen. It? Did it! It found it almost instantly! So, this leads me to think that maybe Apple now wants us using vo+F in Safari. I don't know if that would work everywhere globally, but it sure as hell does in Safari. Even the things like the gmail sign out link, or the hazel nuts etc. all those that you all've reported don't work in the item chooser list, I too confirm they don't with vo+I, but visually on screen or not, they work perfectly here with vo+F. Wait ago! Apple! I can't believe that none of us thought of trying this sooner. I guess I just assumed that vo+F still worked as always and thus didn't bother trying. God do I feel stupid. Frankly all of us should. LOL! Now, if they could fix the ITunes sluggishness, and then the ITunes not speaking while scrolling, then finally can fix the Safari issue where it notifies you when a download begins without having to look at your toobar then we'd have it made. Chris. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: battery life in my MacBook Pro
Hi. The only thing I noticed is the hot macbook pro but the battery seems alright over here. On 2011-07-24, at 4:33 PM, M. Taylor wrote: > Hello All, > > I can definitely confirm that my 2010 MacBook Pro is running much hotter with > Lion and the batter life is not as good. > > As others have reported, I am experiencing some definite sluggishness when > typing with Alex as the Default Voice. > > Mark > On Jul 24, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: > >> Yes, everything is absolutely identical to the way it was set in SL. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker >> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 6:35 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: battery life in my MacBook Pro >> >> Hi, >> >> are all your energy and display settings the same? IDK, maybe the rep >> really hadn't encountered such a call. Having ones >> battery life cut clean in half is probably something only experienced by a >> very small number of people who upgraded to Lion. >> >> Ricardo Walker >> rwalker...@gmail.com >> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 >> www.mobileaccess.org >> >> On Jul 24, 2011, at 6:13 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: >> >> Yes, this is precisely what I reported to the group on Friday. My battery >> life has been cut in half, and I know of at least >> two other people who are experiencing this. My macbook pro is the 2011 >> model, and where I used to get at least 8 hours >> battery life under SL, I'm now lucky to get four with lion. If you have an >> opportunity, please report this problem to Apple. >> When I called it in on Friday, the rep I talked to was willing to help, but >> acted as though nobody had ever reported such an >> issue before. >> Missy >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shen >> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 3:07 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: battery life in my MacBook Pro >> >> OK, before any of you are a bit trigger happy with the reply button, let me >> preface this message by saying that I understand >> battery life is not something that is easy to calculate. Each minute your >> MacBook can be doing different things and the power >> draw from the battery is not consistent. >> >> Having said that, I am somewhat convinced the battery life for my MacBook >> using Lion is now somewhat less than when I had >> Snow Leopard. I cannot prove it of course with easily reproduced steps. But >> at the moment, as I am writing this email, my >> battery status says 20-percent, an hour and 18 minutes remaining. >> If we calculate this up to 100-percent, we know this battery will last 390 >> minutes. >> I of course don't know what the battery life would calculate to be if >> everything is the same, and I am writing this email >> under SL instead of Lion. >> But what I do know is that under SL, my battery can give me 10 plus hours of >> nonstop usage. >> This is doing anything but running Safari. I have mid-2010 MacBook Pro. >> Again, I am not saying the battery life is definitely less, but it certainly >> feels that way. Especially when my laptop seems >> to run a little more warm than it has been in the past. >> >> I am not seeking any answers. I just want to bring this to your attention so >> you can be aware of your MacBook's battery life >> under Lion. >> I imagine this has a lot to do with what some people are saying about the >> Spotlight. Lion probably has a new way of indexing >> the files in your system and is caching it more actively than SL. I am not >> in panic mode yet. I am quite sure Apple will come >> out with an update to improve the battery life. >> For the meantime, I cannot expect the 10-hours of battery life I had before >> running SL. >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://grou
Browsing for files for upload
OK, this probably isn't a bug. My guess is I don't get what I'm doing. Basically, I am on a web site when a browse/choose file button that when clicked should bring the finder up and let me browse for a file to upload. In SL it did just that. Now, I'm finding that yeah, it is popping up the window, but it's real hard for me to get to it, and when I finally do, I'm not sure how I wind up doing so. It's not as easy as in SL where you'd just vo right and left around to find it. I wonder if vo+J would jump me to it. That's the only thing I've not yet tried. Chris. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: 2 Problems
Dan, Before doing a clean install of the entire OS, I would look at the apps that are causing you problems. I'm running iTunes 10.4 on two different machines with well over 6000 items in the Library and have no issues other than needing to use VO keys or Quick Nav more than I'm used to. So, I not convinced that the issue is 10.4. On a rare occasion, iTunes was being sluggish, I simply Quit it, waited a bit then opened it again and everything was back to normal. I didn't totally figure out the reason why but it seems to be linked to my impatience. That is, if I start pressing VO key combinations to quickly almost confusing iTunes or VO, then it misbehaves. Come to think of it, that is the sort of thing that caused Safari to act stupid as well, I start doing VO things before the page is fully built or doing too many combinations in succession as I rush through things. 1. Questions: • Are you running iTunes 10.3 or 10.4 now? • I'm guessing that you lost all playlists upon re-importing your media or did you do something else to create the new Library? 2. When starting up iTunes, hold down the Option key. This will bring up a dialog asking you to choose an iTunes Library or Create a new one. Create a new one, import your media and see how the new one behaves. This allows you to keep all playlists and such in the older one so that you can export then import them into the new one. the playlists are simply text files, not the actual media therefore there's no duplication. 3. Update it to 10.4, if you haven't already, as it is the version most optimized for Lion. 4. With Safari, are you using Quick Nav or regular VO navigation, Group or DOM navigation? 5. Do you have an example of the site so I can try to see if it reacts the same to me? Later… On 2011-07-24, at 2:32 PM, Dan Roy wrote: > I am not sure whether these issues are related to Lion or the upgrades of > Safari and iTunes. > > First, before upgrading to Lion, I wanted to make sure that I had the latest > updates. So, when I checked, I went ahead and installed both Safari 5.1 and > iTunes 10.4. > > After completing the Lion update, I-Tunes had been rolled back to 10.3. I > assume this is because of the update for I-Tunes being released after Lion. > Anyway, because of this, I had a problem with my iTunes library, it was > created for 10.4 and not compatible with 10.3. The update to 10.4 wouldn't > work for me. So, I deleted the existing library and recreated it by > importing all my music and other stuff back in to iTunes. > > Since then, I have read about the problems with iTunes 10.4 so have avoided > the upgrade. > > Now, finally, to my problems. > > I-tunes is extremely sluggish when moving through my list of songs. > Periodically it will say busy busy and I will have to wait some seconds > before continuing to move through the list. This is a complaint I read about > on this list, but, that was with 10.4, or, at least, I thought it was. > > The other problem is that on some sites, I am getting safari busy messages > all the time while trying to scroll through an article. This is totally > inconsistent and I can't figure it out. > > yes, I have already taken the suggestion of turning off the monitoring of > live areas, this appears to have made absolutely no difference whatsoever. > > I have also tried webkit with the latest nightly build and it has made no > difference at all. > > I am wondering now if, because of the upgrade first and then downgrade to > iTunes, if something is corrupt. I have, as I said before, already > completely removed and imported all my music and other stuff in iTunes. > > So, I am thinking now that I will have to do an install from scratch. > However, I am trying to avoid this if possible. > > Everything else, as far as I know, is working just fine. > > If anyone has any ideas at all, I would definitely appreciate them. > > Thanks so much. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Restoring iTunes library following clean install of Lion?
Greetings y'all, I am reposting since someone who might have a suggestion could have easily been overwhelmed by the blizzard of recent traffic, and I'm really out of ideas. While using SnowLeopard, I backed up my iTunes library to an external drive and installed Lion via a DVD (HD was completely erased). Upon launching iTunes, it did not prompt for a library. I attempted to copy my backed up folder into /users/userName/music/iTunes/"iTunes Media", but receive a message indicating that I do not have access to the hard drive and if I proceed the data won't be visible.(???) I went into disk utility and repaired my permissions but that did not vary the result. I was able to successfully copy my library into .../music. Under iTunes advanced preferences I set the folder to .../music/BackedUpFolder but my content is not visible. I only have the getting started videos and options to search for or purchase music. I could search my external drive, but that would not restore my iPhone content? I seem to recall being able to restore a library from Windows to SnowLeopard this way using an earlier version of iTunes, so perhaps I'm over looking a step? Also strange that I don't have permission to access that folder despite having administrative privileges and the fact that parental controls are disabled? TIA for any suggestions and best regards. Geoff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
IMPORTANT: To MacBook Pro Lion Users
Hello Everyone, After posting my last message to the list regarding the increase in heat generated on my MBP since installing Lion and the definite lessening of battery life, I took a closer look at my MBP and discovered what I hope will prove to be useful to you. F Y I: Until yesterday, I was running Lion on an external FireWire drive and did not notice the increase in heat since the computer is always sitting on my desk when running Lion. Additionally, when I have the FireWire connected, I also have the power cable connected. Anyway, and I have confirmed this twice on my MBP and I called a friend who installed Lion this morning and she confirmed the same, said same being: The backlight on the MBP keyboard is set to on when Lion is first installed. Now I want to be clear, I keep my keyboard backlight off and so it was when I upgraded to Lion. However, when I looked closely at my keyboard, today, I discovered that while it was dimmed, it was not set as it had been before the upgrade. After I turn the backlight off/or to its lowest setting, the increase in heat went away. So, I recommend that those of you noticing a change in heat/battery drain confirm that your MBP keyboard backlights are set as they were before upgrading/installing Lion. F5 and F6 decrease and increase keyboard backlight, respectively. Mark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: signatures?
Okay, I figured it out. If you want multiple signatures you create all of them, and only set the one you want as a default to that account, put the rest of them on none, and when that time come to go to the pop up menu, then all of your signatures will be available. On Jul 24, 2011, at 8:24 AM, Keith Watson wrote: > Hi, > > Not sure how to handle this in mail. But the way I do it is with text > expander. I have a snippet for each signature that I want and then depending > on the one I want I just type sig-1 or sig-2. Without the dashes of course, > because if I type it correctly it would expand. > > HTH > > Regards, > > Keith Watson > > On Jul 23, 2011, at 10:10 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > >> Okay, I’m loving the new mail so much I’m ready to ditch outlook 2010. Only >> thing I can’t figure out to do is how to choose what signature I want to >> use. What I mean is, in outlook even if I have a default signature for each >> account I can change it whenever I want too. Have tried that in mail on the >> mac, but the only options are the default that has been create for that >> account, or none. It won’t bring up the other signatures that I have >> created. Is this possible, did I miss a step? Thanks. >> >> Kliphton SR >> (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 >> (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com >> (Marriage group) http://groups.google.com/group/committed-married-christians >> Sent From my Imac >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Making an Install Flash Drive for Lion: Tutorial Link
Hello, I followed the instructions in Disc utility and as far as the drag and drop, I got as far as setting the drive to be drug, but it never completed the drag. Then once I got it to complete, but then it became the source destination. This whole drag and drop thing is really iffy at best. I have Lion on a DVD, but for what ever reason, I am totally unable to get the dmg file to properly be placed on the flash drive. I have never had any problem with dealing with image files and using disk utility. Does any one have any suggestions for doing the whole process of putting the install dmg file on the flash drive as a bootable drive, I don't mean the part about creating the partition and stuff, I mean the restore part, it just isn't working at all. So again, instructions for VO only would be appreciated. Thanks, Dan On Jul 24, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Courtney Currant wrote: > Hi, > I partitioned a 32 gb flash drive, then I went to the restore tab in disc > utility. I chose the .dmg file as my source, but how can I choose my > destination as the flash drive? > Thanks, > Courtney > On Jul 24, 2011, at 5:53 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote: > >> Hi Teresa and list, >> >> Am 24.07.2011 um 08:03 schrieb Teresa Cochran: >> >>> I saw a few questions on this list about this, so I looked it up. Here's a >>> link. Note that it's geared more toward sighted users, but basically it >>> involves taking the .dmg file and working with it in Disc Utility. >>> http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-make-your-own-os-x-lion-bootable-usb-flash-drive-tutorial/ >> >> Quite interesting. The only issue: There is no Lion file in my application >> folder. Do you have an idea what to do then? >> >> Thanks and >> all the best >> Jürgen >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Voice over lag and other lion issues
Tim, thank you. I've been thinking this for the last couple days. I'm not trying to minimise the difficulties people are experiencing. I'm aware that I've been lucky so far and only encountered bugs that are more of a nuisance than anything else, and if I were having the real issues like Alex lagging during typing, or significantly reduced battery drain, I'd be extremely disappointed. But even so, it seems like every time there's any kind of accessibility hiccup, we start questioning whether Apple's commitment to Voiceover has run its course. I don't think for a second we should sit quietly and not let them know about the issues we come across, but at some point, don't we have to start trusting that they're actually interested in doing this right? They've made almost every major product in their lineup accessible out of the box, at no extra cost to us; they've got a dedicated email just for accessibility concerns; and every OS upgrade on both their platforms has brought significant Voiceover enhancements. I agree that the way Apple runs its betas possibly means more problems slip past to the final release product, but I don't think that's an issue related only to Voiceover, and it doesn't indicate a lot about what their commitment is. For all we got bugs in Lion, we got some pretty good changes too. Activities are already proving really useful, and will only get better as time goes on and people think of different uses for them. Non-English language support out of the box is something people have been asking for for years, and we got that; the VO method of drag and drop in Lion is a huge improvement on the previous method. Even the things that I think could use a little work, like single letter navigation, are still changes for the better, and that's not taking into account features I haven't even really played with, like the quick search function. When the next OS comes out and there are no meaningful changes, then I'll start to worry. Until then, I'm going to assume the genuine bugs will get squashed over time, and they'll keep working to incorporate our feedback. On Jul 24, 8:07 pm, Tim Kilburn wrote: > Hi, > > I would disagree with the premise that Apple is getting sloppy as well as the > comment of Lion being riddled with bugs to the point of a Beta release. > Apple's commitment to accessibility is evident through the improvements and > modifications to VO and the group of Beta testers involved in its Beta phase. > > As mentioned in previous posts, most of the issues called bugs over the last > few days of posting are simply a different way of doing things. Humans, for > the most part, resist change. There are some exceptions but most of us get > used to doing things in a certain way and are set back when things are > changed/modified. That's partially why we here so much noise about VO not > being as good as JAWS by many PC users and many early switchers. > > I, myself, have been a VO user since its introduction in 2005 and each time > the new OS is released, I struggle with some of the new ways of doing things. > This isn't to say that each of my struggles are bugs in the OS > implementation, they are just hurdles for me because I'm used to doing things > in a different way. > > So, in a nutshell, I take exception to comments on Apple's sloppiness. I > agree that Lion is slower in booting, but if I don't turn my Mac off that > often, then what's the big deal. I agree that there is quite a number of > things done differently, but, you still can teach an old dog new tricks, and > I'm game for it. > > Just my opinion. > > Later… > > On 2011-07-24, at 12:49 PM, Chris Snyder wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Well said. Apple will sort it out. Until then, I've reverted to Snow > > Leopard, and I'll keep it until some updates to Lion have come out. Using a > > March 2011 Macbook Pro 13 inch with the I5 processor, and I went from 37 > > seconds to boot up in Snow Leopard, to 1 minute and 25 to boot up in Lion. > > Friendly, > > Chris > > > On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:05 PM, Missy Hope wrote: > > >> Amen! Very well said! I agree 100 percent with everything in this message. > >> Bottom line, we're paying the price for pouncing > >> on a new OS the day it came out. I'm sure that sooner or later, (hopefully > >> sooner), Apple will fix all of these issues. > >> Good night, all! > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark > >> Gilland > >> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 10:50 PM > >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > >> Subject: Re: Voice over lag and other lion issues > >> Importance: High > > >> I wouldn't so much say that they are losing commitment, as much as I'd say, > >> they seem to be getting very sloppy. I mean, ok, here's my thing. I > >> totally am with all you all in saying everyone just chill. the only reason > >> I'm keeping my stance so strong on this is the fact t
What is the reading list?
Hey guys. In the new Safari, what is the reading list, and what can I do with it? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
