RE: transferring ms outllok mail to apple mail

[Simon Fogarty]

Dave,

 

Is there not an export option within outlook 2k7  that lets you create an
archive file in a mail format?

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Taylor
Sent: Friday, 24 September 2010 7:05 a.m.
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: transferring ms outllok mail to apple mail

 

Thanks. I'm surprised nobody apart from seemingly TB can import Outlook
mail. You'd think Apple would have an Outlook importer that could just look
at a .pst and import the lot! Oh well!

 

At least I know I can do it.

 

Thanks

 

Dave

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 6:26 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: transferring ms outllok mail to apple mail

 

You can have thunderburd export as mbox format and mail will import those
very nicely. I've had to do it before through tb. I googled an article on
how to do it and that was the best free way to do it.

 

S

 

On Sep 23, 2010, at 2:56 AM, Dave Taylor wrote:





Hi,

 

This explanation doesn't make sense to me. What do you mean by transferring
mail into appropriate formats? What will Apple Mail import from? I must
admit I'm wondering if a MobileMe trial is the best way to do this now?

 

Any help appreciated as Mac expected any day!

 

Cheers

Dave

 

 

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 1:32 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: transferring ms outllok mail to apple mail

 

don't laugh but what I did was the following

 

1. downloaded thunderbird and transfered all of my mail in there and then
exported it in to the approprate formats. 2. uploaded these using dropbox or
coppying them to another drive.

 

3. went to apple mail and imported and then transfered all of my imported
messages in to mail and created the folders. that matched the import.

 

S

On Sep 22, 2010, at 5:05 PM, denise avant wrote:






Hello all,

I want to move my e-mail from my windows machine to the mac. Has anyone done
this with outlook, specifically 2007. If so, can you explain what you did?
Thanks.

 

 

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Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver

[Greg Kearney]

It is my sad duty to report that after getting a chance to test Microsoft 
Office 2011 for Mac that it is no more accessible in this version than in any 
of the previous versions. As in the past it is impossible to interact with any 
of the content areas of the program. You are not able to review, read or edit 
the text area in Word or Excel.

It should not be clear to all that Microsoft has no intention of ever fixing 
these issues. I communicated directly with Microsoft over the same failing in 
Office 2008. The fact that after a complete rewire of the programs they remain 
inaccessible to the built in screen reader of the OS to me speak volumes about 
Microsoft's total lack of commitment to accessibility on the Macintosh platform 
and may well speak to Microsoft's general commitment to the platform as well.

Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media
Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA
PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA 6100
Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 | www.guidedogswa.com.au
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Re: transferring ms outllok mail to apple mail

[Dave Taylor]

 Hi,

The key is to know what Apple Mail will import from since Outlook just 
lists programs it can export to. However, I found a great utility at 
www.techit.com called Save 4 Mac which does exactly what I want, for 
mail, calendars and contacts. Pity my Outlook went on strike though!


Cheers
Dave


On 26/09/2010 09:00, Simon Fogarty wrote:


Dave,

Is there not an export option within outlook 2k7  that lets you create 
an archive file in a mail format?


*From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave Taylor

*Sent:* Friday, 24 September 2010 7:05 a.m.
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: transferring ms outllok mail to apple mail

Thanks. I'm surprised nobody apart from seemingly TB can import 
Outlook mail. You'd think Apple would have an Outlook importer that 
could just look at a .pst and import the lot! Oh well!


At least I know I can do it.

Thanks

Dave

*From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Sarah Alawami

*Sent:* Thursday, September 23, 2010 6:26 PM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: transferring ms outllok mail to apple mail

You can have thunderburd export as mbox format and mail will import 
those very nicely. I've had to do it before through tb. I googled an 
article on how to do it and that was the best free way to do it.


S

On Sep 23, 2010, at 2:56 AM, Dave Taylor wrote:



Hi,

This explanation doesn't make sense to me. What do you mean by 
transferring mail into appropriate formats? What will Apple Mail 
import from? I must admit I'm wondering if a MobileMe trial is the 
best way to do this now?


Any help appreciated as Mac expected any day!

Cheers

Dave

*From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Sarah Alawami

*Sent:* Thursday, September 23, 2010 1:32 AM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 


*Subject:* Re: transferring ms outllok mail to apple mail

don't laugh but what I did was the following

1. downloaded thunderbird and transfered all of my mail in there and 
then exported it in to the approprate formats. 2. uploaded these using 
dropbox or coppying them to another drive.


3. went to apple mail and imported and then transfered all of my 
imported messages in to mail and created the folders. that matched the 
import.


S

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Hello all,

I want to move my e-mail from my windows machine to the mac. Has 
anyone done this with outlook, specifically 2007. If so, can you 
explain what you did? Thanks.


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I wanted to asked you folks who are Mac users if you have found a means to edit 
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you. I am not referring to taking a PDF file and converting it to another 
format first, I am instead referring to editing the PDF itself. I gather that 
Adobe has no plans to make their products accessible to blind/visually impaired 
Mac users. I am exploring another avenue, but wanted to provide the developers 
with some level of interest. To avoid cluttering the list, please send me a 
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but the more interest just means more effort would likely be invested. 

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Re: VO crashing in iChat message area

[Brandon Misch]

not yet. i did originally but haven't since the double interacting issue but 
may do it today if anyone hasn't done it by now.

On Sep 25, 2010, at 3:06 PM, Nik Petersson wrote:

> Hello, has anyone reported this to Apple?
> 
> 
> Nik
> On 2010-09-25, at 11:13 AM, Chris Westbrook wrote:
> 
>> This is one of the reasons I switched to adium, no crashes like that with 
>> adium.
>> On Sep 24, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Nik Petersson wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
 From: Niklas Petersson 
 Date: September 24, 2010 8:19:09 PM PDT
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: VO crashing in iChat message area
 
 Hello, has anyone else encountered issues where VO starts crashing when 
 trying to interact with the HTML area of a text chat.  This usually 
 happens after a couple of messages have been sent.  I find that if I close 
 the window and the person I am chatting with sends me a chat to trigger a 
 new window it will resume working.  Window size?  Amount of text or number 
 of entries?  Anyone else seeing this.  
 
 THX
 
 
 Nik
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Re: Authenicating in Apple Mail

[Marketoe Day]

Tim and Jeffrey,

I believe I have resolved the password authentication issue in Apple Mail with 
the guidance you each provided.  I am using an imap account associated with my 
former university, which does indeed require SSL .  Per your suggestions, I 
explored the account preferences and made a simple change under SSL 
authentication from Kerberos to simply password.  This small change seems to 
have resolved the issue.  Again, thank you for helping to point me in the right 
direction.




  - Original Message - 
  From: Tim Kilburn 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 9:39 PM
  Subject: Re: Authenticating in Apple Mail


  Hi,


  Is your iMap account through your ISP or through your employer?  I've not 
seen iMap like GMail have Kerberos issues.  That's not normal behavior.  I 
agree with Jeffrey's suggestion to take a look in your Account settings within 
Mail preferences.  Some iMap accounts require SSL which, when configured 
appropriately, will fix that sort of issue.


  HTH.


  Later...


  Tim Kilburn
  Fort McMurray, AB Canada


  On 2010-09-25, at 7:53 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote:


Hi,
Hmm, you may also try going into Accounts under Preferences and checking 
there. I know that every time Mail asks me for a password or something, when I 
enter it, it is remembered and I don't have to enter it again.
HTH,
Jeffrey

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  Jeffrey,

  Thanks for the direction.  However, there does not appear to be an option 
to discontinue my Kerberos authentication password request by 
checking/unchecking an option to do so.  This may be a safeguard I will simply 
have to come to appreciate/tolerate.

  Thanks!

- Original Message -
From: Jeffrey Shockley
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: Authenticating in Apple Mail


Hi,
Just check the box for Mail to remember your password and it won't ask 
for user ID/Password anymore.
HTH,
Jeffrey

On Sep 25, 2010, at 8:19 PM, Marketoe Day wrote:



  Each time I connect to Apple Mail I am prompted to enter the password 
associated with my imap account/user ID.  Normal computing behavior, right?  
However, if I wish to enter Apple Mail without having to always enter this 
information, is there a way to do so?

  Additionally, while on the topic of Apple Mail, is there a way to 
identify the sender of a message when reviewing messages in thread mode with 
headers turned off?

  Thanks!




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pogoplug anyone?

[Yuma Decaux]

Hi list,

Just wanted to ask if anyone has the pogoplug and if its a good investment for 
accessing one's media anywhere?

I am constantly travelling and having to take my hard disks around just 
increases the loads and i'd rather keep them safe at hom from where i can get 
required files via the cloud.

If anyone has had a good experience, please do share.

Oh, any negative experiences also appreciated :)


Best 


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Re: New ITunes, what do you all think?

[Ricardo Walker]

Ah!

Thanks for this.
On Sep 26, 2010, at 1:37 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> OhI show discovered that you can use cmd shift r to show an item in  the 
> finder.
> 
> Good luck.
> On Sep 25, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> I have noticed a few differences.  First, you can no longer press command R 
>> to show the iTem your on in the Finder.  Now you have to interact with the 
>> media table, bring up the context menu with VO shift M and arrow down to 
>> show in finder.  Pressing Command R now refreshes iTunes.  Girr!  I liked it 
>> the way it was before.  lol.  They have also brought back the LCD section.  
>> This is a plus in my opinion.  Those are the things I've noticed so far.
>> 
>> hth
>> 
>> On Sep 25, 2010, at 8:16 PM, Lynn Schneider wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, I downloaded the new ITunes today.  There is a Ping sidebar that I 
>>> had to hide.  I still can't use my VO-J to jump to the table.  Other than 
>>> that, it seems like it is the same.  I would use Ping, but honestly, I'm up 
>>> to my ears in social media these days and really don't want anymore. LOL.
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Re: VO crashing in iChat message area

[Chantel Cuddemi]

The more people that report it to Apple, the better. 
On Sep 26, 2010, at 8:55 AM, Brandon Misch wrote:

> not yet. i did originally but haven't since the double interacting issue but 
> may do it today if anyone hasn't done it by now.
> 
> On Sep 25, 2010, at 3:06 PM, Nik Petersson wrote:
> 
>> Hello, has anyone reported this to Apple?
>> 
>> 
>> Nik
>> On 2010-09-25, at 11:13 AM, Chris Westbrook wrote:
>> 
>>> This is one of the reasons I switched to adium, no crashes like that with 
>>> adium.
>>> On Sep 24, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Nik Petersson wrote:
>>> 
 
 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
> From: Niklas Petersson 
> Date: September 24, 2010 8:19:09 PM PDT
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: VO crashing in iChat message area
> 
> Hello, has anyone else encountered issues where VO starts crashing when 
> trying to interact with the HTML area of a text chat.  This usually 
> happens after a couple of messages have been sent.  I find that if I 
> close the window and the person I am chatting with sends me a chat to 
> trigger a new window it will resume working.  Window size?  Amount of 
> text or number of entries?  Anyone else seeing this.  
> 
> THX
> 
> 
> Nik
 
 
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Re: pogoplug anyone?

[Buddy Brannan]

Yes! I have one. Bought it last year. It recently died, just a month out of 
warranty, and Cloud Engines gave me a good discount on a new one. Can't be 
easier to set up. Its only drawback is accessing it from your same LAN that 
it's on, you do the transfer over the Internet, not oer your LAN. Unless, of 
course, you install an after-market version of samba or other networking 
thingy. I enjoy mine and would buy it again. Uh, wait. I did. And, the web 
portal is very accessible, as is the Pogoplug app for the iPhone and Mac. And 
Windows, too. 
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On Sep 26, 2010, at 9:37 AM, Yuma Decaux wrote:

> Hi list,
> 
> Just wanted to ask if anyone has the pogoplug and if its a good investment 
> for accessing one's media anywhere?
> 
> I am constantly travelling and having to take my hard disks around just 
> increases the loads and i'd rather keep them safe at hom from where i can get 
> required files via the cloud.
> 
> If anyone has had a good experience, please do share.
> 
> Oh, any negative experiences also appreciated :)
> 
> 
> Best 
> 
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Re: VO crashing in iChat message area

[Brandon Misch]

i know we all should report this well, the people who use i chat anyway

On Sep 26, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:

> The more people that report it to Apple, the better. 
> On Sep 26, 2010, at 8:55 AM, Brandon Misch wrote:
> 
>> not yet. i did originally but haven't since the double interacting issue but 
>> may do it today if anyone hasn't done it by now.
>> 
>> On Sep 25, 2010, at 3:06 PM, Nik Petersson wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello, has anyone reported this to Apple?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Nik
>>> On 2010-09-25, at 11:13 AM, Chris Westbrook wrote:
>>> 
 This is one of the reasons I switched to adium, no crashes like that with 
 adium.
 On Sep 24, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Nik Petersson wrote:
 
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Niklas Petersson 
>> Date: September 24, 2010 8:19:09 PM PDT
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: VO crashing in iChat message area
>> 
>> Hello, has anyone else encountered issues where VO starts crashing when 
>> trying to interact with the HTML area of a text chat.  This usually 
>> happens after a couple of messages have been sent.  I find that if I 
>> close the window and the person I am chatting with sends me a chat to 
>> trigger a new window it will resume working.  Window size?  Amount of 
>> text or number of entries?  Anyone else seeing this.  
>> 
>> THX
>> 
>> 
>> Nik
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Re: VO crashing in iChat message area

[Chantel Cuddemi]

I might if I had the address. 
On Sep 26, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Brandon Misch wrote:

> i know we all should report this well, the people who use i chat anyway
> 
> On Sep 26, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
> 
>> The more people that report it to Apple, the better. 
>> On Sep 26, 2010, at 8:55 AM, Brandon Misch wrote:
>> 
>>> not yet. i did originally but haven't since the double interacting issue 
>>> but may do it today if anyone hasn't done it by now.
>>> 
>>> On Sep 25, 2010, at 3:06 PM, Nik Petersson wrote:
>>> 
 Hello, has anyone reported this to Apple?
 
 
 Nik
 On 2010-09-25, at 11:13 AM, Chris Westbrook wrote:
 
> This is one of the reasons I switched to adium, no crashes like that with 
> adium.
> On Sep 24, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Nik Petersson wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: Niklas Petersson 
>>> Date: September 24, 2010 8:19:09 PM PDT
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: VO crashing in iChat message area
>>> 
>>> Hello, has anyone else encountered issues where VO starts crashing when 
>>> trying to interact with the HTML area of a text chat.  This usually 
>>> happens after a couple of messages have been sent.  I find that if I 
>>> close the window and the person I am chatting with sends me a chat to 
>>> trigger a new window it will resume working.  Window size?  Amount of 
>>> text or number of entries?  Anyone else seeing this.  
>>> 
>>> THX
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Nik
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pairing a braillenote with the mac?

[Isaac Obie]

Hi guys:
How does one pair a braillenote with the Mac? We almost got it but we're 
missing something. It says paired, then it drops the ball for some reason. We 
got it to find three macs! thanks.
Isaac

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Re: VO crashing in iChat message area

[Brandon Misch]

accessibil...@apple.com 

On Sep 26, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:

> I might if I had the address. 
> On Sep 26, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Brandon Misch wrote:
> 
>> i know we all should report this well, the people who use i chat anyway
>> 
>> On Sep 26, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
>> 
>>> The more people that report it to Apple, the better. 
>>> On Sep 26, 2010, at 8:55 AM, Brandon Misch wrote:
>>> 
 not yet. i did originally but haven't since the double interacting issue 
 but may do it today if anyone hasn't done it by now.
 
 On Sep 25, 2010, at 3:06 PM, Nik Petersson wrote:
 
> Hello, has anyone reported this to Apple?
> 
> 
> Nik
> On 2010-09-25, at 11:13 AM, Chris Westbrook wrote:
> 
>> This is one of the reasons I switched to adium, no crashes like that 
>> with adium.
>> On Sep 24, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Nik Petersson wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
 From: Niklas Petersson 
 Date: September 24, 2010 8:19:09 PM PDT
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: VO crashing in iChat message area
 
 Hello, has anyone else encountered issues where VO starts crashing 
 when trying to interact with the HTML area of a text chat.  This 
 usually happens after a couple of messages have been sent.  I find 
 that if I close the window and the person I am chatting with sends me 
 a chat to trigger a new window it will resume working.  Window size?  
 Amount of text or number of entries?  Anyone else seeing this.  
 
 THX
 
 
 Nik
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Re: pairing a braillenote with the mac?

[Scott Howell]

Isaac,

You can perform the pairing via SYstem Preferences as you discovered and then 
use the Braille tab in the VOiceOver Utility (vo-f8) to add the device via 
bluetooth. If you have performed these steps, please advise. In fact if you 
would tell me which display you have, its age, and any other details about it, 
I would really appreciate this information. I have had a problem paring a new 
Brailliant 40 and I have an open report with APple. I would like to know all 
the steps including the info about the display, so that I may include it if 
appropriate.
Please contact me off list if you prefer.

Thanks,
On Sep 26, 2010, at 1:10 PM, Isaac Obie wrote:

>  
> Hi guys:
> How does one pair a braillenote with the Mac? We almost got it but we're 
> missing something. It says paired, then it drops the ball for some reason. We 
> got it to find three macs! thanks.
> Isaac
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Re: an Apple related article

[Kimberly thurman]

My sighted husband bought one for me  this weekend, but once he got his hands 
on it, he has not put it down.  I have an iPod Touch anyhow, and after minimal 
time spent with the iPad, I like my Touch just about as well.  Of course, I may 
change my mind as I spend more time with it.  That is, if I can ever get it 
back from my husband lol!!!
On Sep 24, 2010, at 2:32 AM, Dave Taylor wrote:

> They are impressive figures indeed. For the sake of productivity, 
> accessibility, and for many other reasons, I hope companies look at Mac to go 
> with their iPads more seriously. They generally go for expensive laptops 
> anyway, so I suspect costs would be lower after the transition!
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheree Heppe
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 4:58 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: an Apple related article
>  
> 
>Apple Could Sell 21M iPads in 2011 on Sales to Fortune 100 Companies
>  
>  By MATTHEW LYNLEY of [3]VentureBeat
>  
> Apple could sell 21 million units of its iPad tablet next year as half
> of the largest and most prominent companies in the world begin testing
> or deploying the iPad for corporate use, [4]according to an analyst
> with Wall Street firm [5]Piper Jaffray.
>  
> About 50 percent of Fortune 100 companies have begun either testing or
> full-out using the iPad for their corporate needs, though Piper Jaffray
> senior research analyst [6]Gene Munster wouldn't specify which
> companies, AppleInsider reported.
>  
> Apple's enterprise presence has continued to grow, as its enterprise
> sales [7]grew 50 percent in the second quarter this year when compared
> to the same time period last year. The iPad has a number of tools for
> enterprise users, including access to corporate email accounts,
> applications for creating and editing presentations and a huge
> application development ecosystem for custom enterprise applications.
>  
> iPad sales will also continue to grow as the supply of Apple's tablets
> has grown enough to sate heavy demand for the device, Munster said.
> Apple sold [8]3 million units after the device's launch through the end
> of the second quarter in July.
>  
> Sales in emerging markets could also drive the Apple's performance in
> 2011, as the iPad was finally [9]launched in China earlier this month
> with some success. Best Buy will also [10]begin selling the iPad in all
> 1,093 of its stores later this week in advance of the holiday season.
>  
> Apple's iPad serves as a media consumption device that falls somewhere
> between the smaller iPod Touch and iPhone and the more expensive
> Macbook and Macbook Pro laptop computers that Apple offers. Apple
> targets casual computer users -- with full access to the App Store --
> with the iPad at a price point between $500 and $829.
>  
> This isn't the first time cheerleaders have come out in favor of the
> iPad: [11]Maynard Um of UBS Investment Research said earlier this month
> that Apple [12]could sell up to 28 million iPads in 2011, beating out
> the Samsung Galaxy Tab android tablet.
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Women In Technology New Tech Doctor podcast

[Robert Carter]

Hi,

There is a brand new Tech Doctor podcast called "Women In Technology" at
http://www.dr-carter.com

In this episode, Robert and three female guests explore some of the most 
important issues concerning what it is like for women who work in technology. 
Blindness may be more of an obstacle than gender.

I am confident that this podcast will be of interest to all women and men who 
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Re: Help with Fission.

[Kevin Reeves]

Does ringer or amadeus give you more soundforge like usability? I have amadeus 
pro, but seemed to be having the same problem. What is ringer by the way? 
Another audio editor? Thanks so much for the info.

Kevin
On Sep 25, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Allison Manzino wrote:

> Hi Kevin,
> 
> WHaat are you using Fission for? If it's to  create a ringtone, I had the 
> same problem you described. If you are using Fission to create ringtones, I 
> use either RInger or Amadeus Pro. I hope that helps.
> 
> Musically,
> Allison
> 
> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
> 
> 
> On Sep 26, 2010, at 12:07 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kevin,
>> 
>> You asked:
>> 
>>> 1. How do you crop silence from start and end from a file? I couldn't seem 
>>> to find an easy solution for that.
>> 
>> Answer:  There is no automated way as far as I can tell.  The method I use 
>> is to listen and determine where the sound begins, split the clip at that 
>> location (cmd-t), select the previous or next clip (cmd-[ or cmd-]) 
>> depending on what needs cropped then once the selection is made, pressing 
>> cmd-k to Crop it.  A little cumbersome but workable.
>>> 
>>> 2. How do you make the play head jump back to the selection every time stop 
>>> is pressed? As one who edits in soundforge, pro tools, etc, I want to hit 
>>> play, hear my selection, and be able to re listen to that spot as I make 
>>> changes. What happens now is that play acts as pause and keeps the play 
>>> head in the same spot. THis makes it really hard to edit clips out of songs 
>>> for making ring tones and such. Anyone have any easy solutions on how to 
>>> best efficiently perform these tasks? Any other tips on how to more 
>>> efficiently use Fission, or should I look at another editing solution?
>> 
>> Answer:  You need to first be interacting with the playhead area which is 
>> just one VO-right arrow past the Toolbar.  When in this area you can press 
>> cmd-left arrow to take you to the beginning or cmd-right arrow to take you 
>> to the end of the selection.  Holding down the option key instead of the 
>> command key moves in very small increments. Press cmd-[ or cmd-] to play a 
>> little snippet of the beginning or end respectively.
>> 
>> There is a menu-item for selecting a certain area but it doesn't seem to be 
>> accessible.  I'll write to the developers about that as they are quite good 
>> at making things work in an accessible way.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>>> tim Kilburn
>> fort McMurray, AB Canada
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RE: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver

[M. Taylor]

Hello Greg,

Thank you so much for providing this info.

I cannot begin to relay how sad and disappointed I am at the news of
Microsoft's Office 2011 VoiceOver inaccessibility.  

Wow!

You know, when I installed the very first beta of Windows 7, it was
completely accessible.  That is to say, as soon as one launched the
installation program for Windows 7, a very clear voice prompt asked if audio
assistance was required.  This came as a total surprise to me, to say the
least.  I answered in the affirmative and was able to install Windows 7
without any sighted assistance, whatsoever.  I installed that first beta on
three of my computers.  By the way, the voice that was used to guide me
through the setup was not that of Narrator--it was much clearer.

Astonishingly, with the release of the next beta of Windows 7, this feature
was removed.  I was shocked, disappointed, and angry, to say the least.  

It was then that I began considering purchasing a Macintosh.  

It's been much too long to recall how I came to learn Microsoft's reason for
removing this feature but they said they removed it for security concerns;
to which I exclaim, "TommyRot!"  Or, to put it in the vernacular,
"That's a load of crap"

Greg, is it possible that the final release of Office 2011 will be VoiceOver
accessible?  I mean, you reviewed a beta, did you not?  Perhaps I'm just
grasping at straws, eh?  (Smile) 

Thanks again for giving us a proverbial "heads-up" on this one.

Most Sincerely,

mark
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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Kearney
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 1:22 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; macvoiceo...@freelists.org; Mary Beth
Janes; Mike Shebanek
Subject: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver

It is my sad duty to report that after getting a chance to test Microsoft
Office 2011 for Mac that it is no more accessible in this version than in
any of the previous versions. As in the past it is impossible to interact
with any of the content areas of the program. You are not able to review,
read or edit the text area in Word or Excel.

It should not be clear to all that Microsoft has no intention of ever fixing
these issues. I communicated directly with Microsoft over the same failing
in Office 2008. The fact that after a complete rewire of the programs they
remain inaccessible to the built in screen reader of the OS to me speak
volumes about Microsoft's total lack of commitment to accessibility on the
Macintosh platform and may well speak to Microsoft's general commitment to
the platform as well.

Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media
Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA
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Re: Help with Fission.

[Kevin Reeves]

Figured out Amadeus. 2 minutes of looking at that program yielded the results I 
needed. If I set spacebar to rewind, then use left and right brackets in 
conjunction with shift, it looks like I can make my selections. Awesome. Looks 
like I can use this just like I did with soundforge on windwos. Fantastic.

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Mac mini I would be interested in selling 2008 model very little use

[James Mannion]

I hope it is ok to post a message on this list to get a message out to
people and I will handel further correspondence offline. Please send
me email at mannion...@gmail.com if interested or with further
questions. I have a mac mini purchased in June of 2009 that was the
2008 model. At that time it was the one just prior to the one that
came out right in that timeframe of June of 2009. It has had very
little use as I learned it and tried it out and decided it wasn't
productive enough for me to do what I do on the PC. Mainly web
accessibility is just not up to my preferred standards in my opinion.
I have all the original accessories and books that came with it,
including the monitor adapter, the front row remote, of course the
power cord, Snow Lepard with original media and book as well as the
original Tiger media and book. I also have a low profile Apple
keyboard purchased at the same time. I am interested in selling it for
$200 plus shipping. It is also in its original box.  I am selling it
because it is sitting here and I could use the money.

Thanks for your consideration and plese contact me if interested at
mannion...@gmail.com

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Re: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver

[Scott Howell]

Mark,

I suspect Microsoft is simply not interested in accessibility for the Mac. I 
have never heard anything that would indicate a reason for Microsoft to take 
the time to make the Office suite accessible. If accessibility is not in the 
beta now, I would wager it will not be in the final version. In fact it seems 
that it would take more effort to add the accessibility in now instead of doing 
it at the beginning if you will. So, forget it, our hope is that iWorks 10 is 
even more accessible then 09.
On Sep 26, 2010, at 4:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

> Hello Greg,
> 
> Thank you so much for providing this info.
> 
> I cannot begin to relay how sad and disappointed I am at the news of
> Microsoft's Office 2011 VoiceOver inaccessibility.  
> 
> Wow!
> 
> You know, when I installed the very first beta of Windows 7, it was
> completely accessible.  That is to say, as soon as one launched the
> installation program for Windows 7, a very clear voice prompt asked if audio
> assistance was required.  This came as a total surprise to me, to say the
> least.  I answered in the affirmative and was able to install Windows 7
> without any sighted assistance, whatsoever.  I installed that first beta on
> three of my computers.  By the way, the voice that was used to guide me
> through the setup was not that of Narrator--it was much clearer.
> 
> Astonishingly, with the release of the next beta of Windows 7, this feature
> was removed.  I was shocked, disappointed, and angry, to say the least.  
> 
> It was then that I began considering purchasing a Macintosh.  
> 
> It's been much too long to recall how I came to learn Microsoft's reason for
> removing this feature but they said they removed it for security concerns;
> to which I exclaim, "TommyRot!"  Or, to put it in the vernacular,
> "That's a load of crap"
> 
> Greg, is it possible that the final release of Office 2011 will be VoiceOver
> accessible?  I mean, you reviewed a beta, did you not?  Perhaps I'm just
> grasping at straws, eh?  (Smile) 
> 
> Thanks again for giving us a proverbial "heads-up" on this one.
> 
> Most Sincerely,
> 
> mark
> -
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Kearney
> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 1:22 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; macvoiceo...@freelists.org; Mary Beth
> Janes; Mike Shebanek
> Subject: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver
> 
> It is my sad duty to report that after getting a chance to test Microsoft
> Office 2011 for Mac that it is no more accessible in this version than in
> any of the previous versions. As in the past it is impossible to interact
> with any of the content areas of the program. You are not able to review,
> read or edit the text area in Word or Excel.
> 
> It should not be clear to all that Microsoft has no intention of ever fixing
> these issues. I communicated directly with Microsoft over the same failing
> in Office 2008. The fact that after a complete rewire of the programs they
> remain inaccessible to the built in screen reader of the OS to me speak
> volumes about Microsoft's total lack of commitment to accessibility on the
> Macintosh platform and may well speak to Microsoft's general commitment to
> the platform as well.
> 
> Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media
> Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA
> PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA 6100
> Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 | www.guidedogswa.com.au
> Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America)
> Email: greg.kear...@guidedogswa.com.au
> Email: gkear...@gmail.com
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RE: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver

[M. Taylor]

I fear that you are correct, Scott; that is, if the Beta of Office 2011 is
not VoiceOver accessible it probably won't be in the final release.  What a
shame.  

With regard to iWorks, you bring up an interesting point.  

Said point being, when is the next version of iWorks slated to be released?
As yet, I have not purchase any word processing package for my Mac in
anticipation of the release of Office 2011.  Since that's a no go, iWorks it
will have to be.  I hope iWorks is going to be released sometime soon.

Mark   

 


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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 1:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver

Mark,

I suspect Microsoft is simply not interested in accessibility for the Mac. I
have never heard anything that would indicate a reason for Microsoft to take
the time to make the Office suite accessible. If accessibility is not in the
beta now, I would wager it will not be in the final version. In fact it
seems that it would take more effort to add the accessibility in now instead
of doing it at the beginning if you will. So, forget it, our hope is that
iWorks 10 is even more accessible then 09.
On Sep 26, 2010, at 4:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

> Hello Greg,
> 
> Thank you so much for providing this info.
> 
> I cannot begin to relay how sad and disappointed I am at the news of
> Microsoft's Office 2011 VoiceOver inaccessibility.  
> 
> Wow!
> 
> You know, when I installed the very first beta of Windows 7, it was
> completely accessible.  That is to say, as soon as one launched the
> installation program for Windows 7, a very clear voice prompt asked if
audio
> assistance was required.  This came as a total surprise to me, to say the
> least.  I answered in the affirmative and was able to install Windows 7
> without any sighted assistance, whatsoever.  I installed that first beta
on
> three of my computers.  By the way, the voice that was used to guide me
> through the setup was not that of Narrator--it was much clearer.
> 
> Astonishingly, with the release of the next beta of Windows 7, this
feature
> was removed.  I was shocked, disappointed, and angry, to say the least.  
> 
> It was then that I began considering purchasing a Macintosh.  
> 
> It's been much too long to recall how I came to learn Microsoft's reason
for
> removing this feature but they said they removed it for security concerns;
> to which I exclaim, "TommyRot!"  Or, to put it in the vernacular,
> "That's a load of crap"
> 
> Greg, is it possible that the final release of Office 2011 will be
VoiceOver
> accessible?  I mean, you reviewed a beta, did you not?  Perhaps I'm just
> grasping at straws, eh?  (Smile) 
> 
> Thanks again for giving us a proverbial "heads-up" on this one.
> 
> Most Sincerely,
> 
> mark
> -
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Kearney
> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 1:22 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; macvoiceo...@freelists.org; Mary Beth
> Janes; Mike Shebanek
> Subject: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver
> 
> It is my sad duty to report that after getting a chance to test Microsoft
> Office 2011 for Mac that it is no more accessible in this version than in
> any of the previous versions. As in the past it is impossible to interact
> with any of the content areas of the program. You are not able to review,
> read or edit the text area in Word or Excel.
> 
> It should not be clear to all that Microsoft has no intention of ever
fixing
> these issues. I communicated directly with Microsoft over the same failing
> in Office 2008. The fact that after a complete rewire of the programs they
> remain inaccessible to the built in screen reader of the OS to me speak
> volumes about Microsoft's total lack of commitment to accessibility on the
> Macintosh platform and may well speak to Microsoft's general commitment to
> the platform as well.
> 
> Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media
> Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA
> PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA
6100
> Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 | www.guidedogswa.com.au
> Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America)
> Email: greg.kear...@guidedogswa.com.au
> Email: gkear...@gmail.com
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Re: Mac mini I would be interested in selling 2008 model very little use

[Kevin Reeves]

Oh man. Tiger? No wonder it wasn't up to your standards. I encourage you to get 
a copy of Snow leopard and give that a shot. Comparatively, Tiger is slow and 
clunky. Apple really figured web accessibility out in Snow leopard with the 
introduction of the web rotor. Not trying to discourage you, but just wanted to 
invite you to give it another shot with newer software that would benefit you 
greatly. Or, if it doesn't work, just run bootcamp and slap windows on it. Just 
some thoughts.
On Sep 26, 2010, at 3:39 PM, James Mannion wrote:

> I hope it is ok to post a message on this list to get a message out to
> people and I will handel further correspondence offline. Please send
> me email at mannion...@gmail.com if interested or with further
> questions. I have a mac mini purchased in June of 2009 that was the
> 2008 model. At that time it was the one just prior to the one that
> came out right in that timeframe of June of 2009. It has had very
> little use as I learned it and tried it out and decided it wasn't
> productive enough for me to do what I do on the PC. Mainly web
> accessibility is just not up to my preferred standards in my opinion.
> I have all the original accessories and books that came with it,
> including the monitor adapter, the front row remote, of course the
> power cord, Snow Lepard with original media and book as well as the
> original Tiger media and book. I also have a low profile Apple
> keyboard purchased at the same time. I am interested in selling it for
> $200 plus shipping. It is also in its original box.  I am selling it
> because it is sitting here and I could use the money.
> 
> Thanks for your consideration and plese contact me if interested at
> mannion...@gmail.com
> 
> Jim
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MacSpeech\Dragon Dictate

[Colin M]

Hi All!
I've got Mac speech but as yet not got it up and running!
I've been sent an opportunity to upgrade to the new Dragon dictate for Mac!
I'm writing to the list to see if any of you use either software and ask if it 
is as good as they claim!
I have not heard any one on the list talk about it so I was wondering if anyone 
actually use it!
Any advice welcome!
Yours sincerely
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Re: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver

[Erik Heil]

Well, it may be issues with support as well as development. Remember we also 
have access to OOo, which is accessible. Barring that, you could always install 
Debian within a BM and use the GO.OO.org version which is nincluded in the 
distribution.

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 26, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Scott Howell  wrote:

> Mark,
> 
> I suspect Microsoft is simply not interested in accessibility for the Mac. I 
> have never heard anything that would indicate a reason for Microsoft to take 
> the time to make the Office suite accessible. If accessibility is not in the 
> beta now, I would wager it will not be in the final version. In fact it seems 
> that it would take more effort to add the accessibility in now instead of 
> doing it at the beginning if you will. So, forget it, our hope is that iWorks 
> 10 is even more accessible then 09.
> On Sep 26, 2010, at 4:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
> 
>> Hello Greg,
>> 
>> Thank you so much for providing this info.
>> 
>> I cannot begin to relay how sad and disappointed I am at the news of
>> Microsoft's Office 2011 VoiceOver inaccessibility.  
>> 
>> Wow!
>> 
>> You know, when I installed the very first beta of Windows 7, it was
>> completely accessible.  That is to say, as soon as one launched the
>> installation program for Windows 7, a very clear voice prompt asked if audio
>> assistance was required.  This came as a total surprise to me, to say the
>> least.  I answered in the affirmative and was able to install Windows 7
>> without any sighted assistance, whatsoever.  I installed that first beta on
>> three of my computers.  By the way, the voice that was used to guide me
>> through the setup was not that of Narrator--it was much clearer.
>> 
>> Astonishingly, with the release of the next beta of Windows 7, this feature
>> was removed.  I was shocked, disappointed, and angry, to say the least.  
>> 
>> It was then that I began considering purchasing a Macintosh.  
>> 
>> It's been much too long to recall how I came to learn Microsoft's reason for
>> removing this feature but they said they removed it for security concerns;
>> to which I exclaim, "TommyRot!"  Or, to put it in the vernacular,
>> "That's a load of crap"
>> 
>> Greg, is it possible that the final release of Office 2011 will be VoiceOver
>> accessible?  I mean, you reviewed a beta, did you not?  Perhaps I'm just
>> grasping at straws, eh?  (Smile) 
>> 
>> Thanks again for giving us a proverbial "heads-up" on this one.
>> 
>> Most Sincerely,
>> 
>> mark
>> -
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Kearney
>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 1:22 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; macvoiceo...@freelists.org; Mary Beth
>> Janes; Mike Shebanek
>> Subject: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver
>> 
>> It is my sad duty to report that after getting a chance to test Microsoft
>> Office 2011 for Mac that it is no more accessible in this version than in
>> any of the previous versions. As in the past it is impossible to interact
>> with any of the content areas of the program. You are not able to review,
>> read or edit the text area in Word or Excel.
>> 
>> It should not be clear to all that Microsoft has no intention of ever fixing
>> these issues. I communicated directly with Microsoft over the same failing
>> in Office 2008. The fact that after a complete rewire of the programs they
>> remain inaccessible to the built in screen reader of the OS to me speak
>> volumes about Microsoft's total lack of commitment to accessibility on the
>> Macintosh platform and may well speak to Microsoft's general commitment to
>> the platform as well.
>> 
>> Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media
>> Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA
>> PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA 6100
>> Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 | www.guidedogswa.com.au
>> Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America)
>> Email: greg.kear...@guidedogswa.com.au
>> Email: gkear...@gmail.com
>> 
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Re: timer app on mac

[Kevin Reeves]

Thanks so much for this. Checking it out now. You rock.

Kevin
On Sep 26, 2010, at 12:19 AM, Justin Ekis wrote:

> Hi Kevin,
> 
> I'm not sure about the original question about a timer or stopwatch, but you 
> also mentioned wanting an alarm clock. I think I recently found a good one.
> The program is aurora, and the web site is  
> http://www.metakine.com/products/aurora/
> There's a 14 day trial, and then the price is $14.95. I'm glad I went to look 
> this up for you, or I would have been very surprised in a couple days when 
> the alarm didn't go off.. I didn't notice that this was shareware. LOL.
> 
> Anyway, as far as I can tell, this program depends on your iTunes library. It 
> plays music from your library as the alarm. The volume can be set at a 
> particular level, or it can gradually raise it until you get up or until it 
> reaches the maximum. That's a very nice motivator for me when I'd rather not 
> get up.
> 
> I hope you find this useful.
> 
> Justin
> 
> 
> On Sep 25, 2010, at 8:19 PM, li...@kevinreeves.net wrote:
> 
> Yes. I've been looking for something like this as well as an alarm clock. I 
> found one, but it was one that sat in the menu bar and was not visible by 
> voiceover. Maybe I'm not doing something right, but I couldn't get any app 
> that installs into the menu bar to be visible. Any thoughts on this?
> 
> Kevin
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Re: pairing a braillenote with the mac?

[Isaac Obie]

Scott,
We did perform these steps.. I have the braillenote mpower bt18 and it's one of 
the last units built. It has the updted braille display with the metal cursor 
routing buttons. It paired, but it didn't hold it.
If you want to discuss off list you need to send me your email.
coac...@verizon.net
thanks
Isaac
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  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 2:20 PM
  Subject: Re: pairing a braillenote with the mac?


  Isaac,


  You can perform the pairing via SYstem Preferences as you discovered and then 
use the Braille tab in the VOiceOver Utility (vo-f8) to add the device via 
bluetooth. If you have performed these steps, please advise. In fact if you 
would tell me which display you have, its age, and any other details about it, 
I would really appreciate this information. I have had a problem paring a new 
Brailliant 40 and I have an open report with APple. I would like to know all 
the steps including the info about the display, so that I may include it if 
appropriate.
  Please contact me off list if you prefer.


  Thanks,
  On Sep 26, 2010, at 1:10 PM, Isaac Obie wrote:



Hi guys:
How does one pair a braillenote with the Mac? We almost got it but we're 
missing something. It says paired, then it drops the ball for some reason. We 
got it to find three macs! thanks.
Isaac


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Re: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver

[Mike Arrigo]

I don't think he said it was a beta. It is very disappointing indeed, really, 
Microsoft has no excuse for this one, it's not like they were not aware of 
accessibility and voice over, they just chose not to do anything with it. Apple 
has created a built in screen reader and provided the APIs to make programs 
accessible, Microsoft has definitely shown their interest in this. At least on 
the mac, there are alternatives that will handle Microsoft Office files, namely 
iwork and open office.
On Sep 26, 2010, at 3:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

> Hello Greg,
> 
> Thank you so much for providing this info.
> 
> I cannot begin to relay how sad and disappointed I am at the news of
> Microsoft's Office 2011 VoiceOver inaccessibility.  
> 
> Wow!
> 
> You know, when I installed the very first beta of Windows 7, it was
> completely accessible.  That is to say, as soon as one launched the
> installation program for Windows 7, a very clear voice prompt asked if audio
> assistance was required.  This came as a total surprise to me, to say the
> least.  I answered in the affirmative and was able to install Windows 7
> without any sighted assistance, whatsoever.  I installed that first beta on
> three of my computers.  By the way, the voice that was used to guide me
> through the setup was not that of Narrator--it was much clearer.
> 
> Astonishingly, with the release of the next beta of Windows 7, this feature
> was removed.  I was shocked, disappointed, and angry, to say the least.  
> 
> It was then that I began considering purchasing a Macintosh.  
> 
> It's been much too long to recall how I came to learn Microsoft's reason for
> removing this feature but they said they removed it for security concerns;
> to which I exclaim, "TommyRot!"  Or, to put it in the vernacular,
> "That's a load of crap"
> 
> Greg, is it possible that the final release of Office 2011 will be VoiceOver
> accessible?  I mean, you reviewed a beta, did you not?  Perhaps I'm just
> grasping at straws, eh?  (Smile) 
> 
> Thanks again for giving us a proverbial "heads-up" on this one.
> 
> Most Sincerely,
> 
> mark
> -
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Kearney
> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 1:22 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; macvoiceo...@freelists.org; Mary Beth
> Janes; Mike Shebanek
> Subject: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver
> 
> It is my sad duty to report that after getting a chance to test Microsoft
> Office 2011 for Mac that it is no more accessible in this version than in
> any of the previous versions. As in the past it is impossible to interact
> with any of the content areas of the program. You are not able to review,
> read or edit the text area in Word or Excel.
> 
> It should not be clear to all that Microsoft has no intention of ever fixing
> these issues. I communicated directly with Microsoft over the same failing
> in Office 2008. The fact that after a complete rewire of the programs they
> remain inaccessible to the built in screen reader of the OS to me speak
> volumes about Microsoft's total lack of commitment to accessibility on the
> Macintosh platform and may well speak to Microsoft's general commitment to
> the platform as well.
> 
> Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media
> Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA
> PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA 6100
> Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 | www.guidedogswa.com.au
> Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America)
> Email: greg.kear...@guidedogswa.com.au
> Email: gkear...@gmail.com
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Re: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver

[Mike Arrigo]

The same thing happened with messenger for the mac, the messages could not be 
read. Fortunately, there is a great alternative, adium, which works great and 
is very accessible.
On Sep 26, 2010, at 3:58 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

> Mark,
> 
> I suspect Microsoft is simply not interested in accessibility for the Mac. I 
> have never heard anything that would indicate a reason for Microsoft to take 
> the time to make the Office suite accessible. If accessibility is not in the 
> beta now, I would wager it will not be in the final version. In fact it seems 
> that it would take more effort to add the accessibility in now instead of 
> doing it at the beginning if you will. So, forget it, our hope is that iWorks 
> 10 is even more accessible then 09.
> On Sep 26, 2010, at 4:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
> 
>> Hello Greg,
>> 
>> Thank you so much for providing this info.
>> 
>> I cannot begin to relay how sad and disappointed I am at the news of
>> Microsoft's Office 2011 VoiceOver inaccessibility.  
>> 
>> Wow!
>> 
>> You know, when I installed the very first beta of Windows 7, it was
>> completely accessible.  That is to say, as soon as one launched the
>> installation program for Windows 7, a very clear voice prompt asked if audio
>> assistance was required.  This came as a total surprise to me, to say the
>> least.  I answered in the affirmative and was able to install Windows 7
>> without any sighted assistance, whatsoever.  I installed that first beta on
>> three of my computers.  By the way, the voice that was used to guide me
>> through the setup was not that of Narrator--it was much clearer.
>> 
>> Astonishingly, with the release of the next beta of Windows 7, this feature
>> was removed.  I was shocked, disappointed, and angry, to say the least.  
>> 
>> It was then that I began considering purchasing a Macintosh.  
>> 
>> It's been much too long to recall how I came to learn Microsoft's reason for
>> removing this feature but they said they removed it for security concerns;
>> to which I exclaim, "TommyRot!"  Or, to put it in the vernacular,
>> "That's a load of crap"
>> 
>> Greg, is it possible that the final release of Office 2011 will be VoiceOver
>> accessible?  I mean, you reviewed a beta, did you not?  Perhaps I'm just
>> grasping at straws, eh?  (Smile) 
>> 
>> Thanks again for giving us a proverbial "heads-up" on this one.
>> 
>> Most Sincerely,
>> 
>> mark
>> -
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Kearney
>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 1:22 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; macvoiceo...@freelists.org; Mary Beth
>> Janes; Mike Shebanek
>> Subject: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver
>> 
>> It is my sad duty to report that after getting a chance to test Microsoft
>> Office 2011 for Mac that it is no more accessible in this version than in
>> any of the previous versions. As in the past it is impossible to interact
>> with any of the content areas of the program. You are not able to review,
>> read or edit the text area in Word or Excel.
>> 
>> It should not be clear to all that Microsoft has no intention of ever fixing
>> these issues. I communicated directly with Microsoft over the same failing
>> in Office 2008. The fact that after a complete rewire of the programs they
>> remain inaccessible to the built in screen reader of the OS to me speak
>> volumes about Microsoft's total lack of commitment to accessibility on the
>> Macintosh platform and may well speak to Microsoft's general commitment to
>> the platform as well.
>> 
>> Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media
>> Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA
>> PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA 6100
>> Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 | www.guidedogswa.com.au
>> Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America)
>> Email: greg.kear...@guidedogswa.com.au
>> Email: gkear...@gmail.com
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Re: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver

[Mike Arrigo]

Hi Mark, have you tried open office for the mac, it's not perfect, but it does 
work reasonably well, also, iwork 09 is quite accessible, though it's probably 
not worth spending any money on that since 10 is probably around the corner.
On Sep 26, 2010, at 4:17 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

> I fear that you are correct, Scott; that is, if the Beta of Office 2011 is
> not VoiceOver accessible it probably won't be in the final release.  What a
> shame.  
> 
> With regard to iWorks, you bring up an interesting point.  
> 
> Said point being, when is the next version of iWorks slated to be released?
> As yet, I have not purchase any word processing package for my Mac in
> anticipation of the release of Office 2011.  Since that's a no go, iWorks it
> will have to be.  I hope iWorks is going to be released sometime soon.
> 
> Mark   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 1:59 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver
> 
> Mark,
> 
> I suspect Microsoft is simply not interested in accessibility for the Mac. I
> have never heard anything that would indicate a reason for Microsoft to take
> the time to make the Office suite accessible. If accessibility is not in the
> beta now, I would wager it will not be in the final version. In fact it
> seems that it would take more effort to add the accessibility in now instead
> of doing it at the beginning if you will. So, forget it, our hope is that
> iWorks 10 is even more accessible then 09.
> On Sep 26, 2010, at 4:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
> 
>> Hello Greg,
>> 
>> Thank you so much for providing this info.
>> 
>> I cannot begin to relay how sad and disappointed I am at the news of
>> Microsoft's Office 2011 VoiceOver inaccessibility.  
>> 
>> Wow!
>> 
>> You know, when I installed the very first beta of Windows 7, it was
>> completely accessible.  That is to say, as soon as one launched the
>> installation program for Windows 7, a very clear voice prompt asked if
> audio
>> assistance was required.  This came as a total surprise to me, to say the
>> least.  I answered in the affirmative and was able to install Windows 7
>> without any sighted assistance, whatsoever.  I installed that first beta
> on
>> three of my computers.  By the way, the voice that was used to guide me
>> through the setup was not that of Narrator--it was much clearer.
>> 
>> Astonishingly, with the release of the next beta of Windows 7, this
> feature
>> was removed.  I was shocked, disappointed, and angry, to say the least.  
>> 
>> It was then that I began considering purchasing a Macintosh.  
>> 
>> It's been much too long to recall how I came to learn Microsoft's reason
> for
>> removing this feature but they said they removed it for security concerns;
>> to which I exclaim, "TommyRot!"  Or, to put it in the vernacular,
>> "That's a load of crap"
>> 
>> Greg, is it possible that the final release of Office 2011 will be
> VoiceOver
>> accessible?  I mean, you reviewed a beta, did you not?  Perhaps I'm just
>> grasping at straws, eh?  (Smile) 
>> 
>> Thanks again for giving us a proverbial "heads-up" on this one.
>> 
>> Most Sincerely,
>> 
>> mark
>> -
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Kearney
>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 1:22 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; macvoiceo...@freelists.org; Mary Beth
>> Janes; Mike Shebanek
>> Subject: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver
>> 
>> It is my sad duty to report that after getting a chance to test Microsoft
>> Office 2011 for Mac that it is no more accessible in this version than in
>> any of the previous versions. As in the past it is impossible to interact
>> with any of the content areas of the program. You are not able to review,
>> read or edit the text area in Word or Excel.
>> 
>> It should not be clear to all that Microsoft has no intention of ever
> fixing
>> these issues. I communicated directly with Microsoft over the same failing
>> in Office 2008. The fact that after a complete rewire of the programs they
>> remain inaccessible to the built in screen reader of the OS to me speak
>> volumes about Microsoft's total lack of commitment to accessibility on the
>> Macintosh platform and may well speak to Microsoft's general commitment to
>> the platform as well.
>> 
>> Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media
>> Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA
>> PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA
> 6100
>> Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 | www.guidedogswa.com.au
>> Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America)
>> Email: greg.kear...@guidedogswa.com.au
>> Email: gkear...@gmail.com
>> 
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RE: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver

[Dave Taylor]

I bet that if they tried, they would soon realise that the ribbons would be
difficult if not impossible to implement with VO anyway. As it is, their
insistence on these awful things is one of my key drivers for making the
switch, though there are many others too. Mike, the podcast where you
install Snow Leopard is as good a demonstration as anything of how far
things have come on the Mac side, I'm afraid it is the opposite story,
almost the reverse story, on the windows side!

Cheers
Dave


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 11:03 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver

I don't think he said it was a beta. It is very disappointing indeed,
really, Microsoft has no excuse for this one, it's not like they were not
aware of accessibility and voice over, they just chose not to do anything
with it. Apple has created a built in screen reader and provided the APIs to
make programs accessible, Microsoft has definitely shown their interest in
this. At least on the mac, there are alternatives that will handle Microsoft
Office files, namely iwork and open office.
On Sep 26, 2010, at 3:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

> Hello Greg,
> 
> Thank you so much for providing this info.
> 
> I cannot begin to relay how sad and disappointed I am at the news of
> Microsoft's Office 2011 VoiceOver inaccessibility.  
> 
> Wow!
> 
> You know, when I installed the very first beta of Windows 7, it was
> completely accessible.  That is to say, as soon as one launched the
> installation program for Windows 7, a very clear voice prompt asked if
audio
> assistance was required.  This came as a total surprise to me, to say the
> least.  I answered in the affirmative and was able to install Windows 7
> without any sighted assistance, whatsoever.  I installed that first beta
on
> three of my computers.  By the way, the voice that was used to guide me
> through the setup was not that of Narrator--it was much clearer.
> 
> Astonishingly, with the release of the next beta of Windows 7, this
feature
> was removed.  I was shocked, disappointed, and angry, to say the least.  
> 
> It was then that I began considering purchasing a Macintosh.  
> 
> It's been much too long to recall how I came to learn Microsoft's reason
for
> removing this feature but they said they removed it for security concerns;
> to which I exclaim, "TommyRot!"  Or, to put it in the vernacular,
> "That's a load of crap"
> 
> Greg, is it possible that the final release of Office 2011 will be
VoiceOver
> accessible?  I mean, you reviewed a beta, did you not?  Perhaps I'm just
> grasping at straws, eh?  (Smile) 
> 
> Thanks again for giving us a proverbial "heads-up" on this one.
> 
> Most Sincerely,
> 
> mark
> -
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Kearney
> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 1:22 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; macvoiceo...@freelists.org; Mary Beth
> Janes; Mike Shebanek
> Subject: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver
> 
> It is my sad duty to report that after getting a chance to test Microsoft
> Office 2011 for Mac that it is no more accessible in this version than in
> any of the previous versions. As in the past it is impossible to interact
> with any of the content areas of the program. You are not able to review,
> read or edit the text area in Word or Excel.
> 
> It should not be clear to all that Microsoft has no intention of ever
fixing
> these issues. I communicated directly with Microsoft over the same failing
> in Office 2008. The fact that after a complete rewire of the programs they
> remain inaccessible to the built in screen reader of the OS to me speak
> volumes about Microsoft's total lack of commitment to accessibility on the
> Macintosh platform and may well speak to Microsoft's general commitment to
> the platform as well.
> 
> Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media
> Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA
> PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA
6100
> Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 | www.guidedogswa.com.au
> Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America)
> Email: greg.kear...@guidedogswa.com.au
> Email: gkear...@gmail.com
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Some stuff I did with pro tools.

[Kevin Reeves]

Hey folks. Just wanted to throw out a quick link to a file containing 2 jingles 
I just completed with Pro Tools 8, now accessible with Voiceover. I invite you 
to take a listen. All the sequencing, tracking, editing, mixing, and mastering 
was done in Pro Tools. A great deal of the sounds used were instruments that 
shipped with Pro Tools, except for the guitars and drums found in the MyMac 
Theme. Hope you guys enjoy these.

http://www.kevinreeves.net/Themes.zip

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Re: pairing a braillenote with the mac?

[Allison Manzino]

Hi Isaac,

I'm glad I'm not the only one who is having this problem. I thought I was doing 
something wrong. I can't wait for my Braillino. I will post if it pairs easily 
and holds the pairing after I get it. Thank you again.

Musically,
Allison

My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!


On Sep 26, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Isaac Obie wrote:

> Scott,
> We did perform these steps.. I have the braillenote mpower bt18 and it's one 
> of the last units built. It has the updted braille display with the metal 
> cursor routing buttons. It paired, but it didn't hold it.
> If you want to discuss off list you need to send me your email.
> coac...@verizon.net
> thanks
> Isaac
> - Original Message -
> From: Scott Howell
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 2:20 PM
> Subject: Re: pairing a braillenote with the mac?
> 
> Isaac,
> 
> You can perform the pairing via SYstem Preferences as you discovered and then 
> use the Braille tab in the VOiceOver Utility (vo-f8) to add the device via 
> bluetooth. If you have performed these steps, please advise. In fact if you 
> would tell me which display you have, its age, and any other details about 
> it, I would really appreciate this information. I have had a problem paring a 
> new Brailliant 40 and I have an open report with APple. I would like to know 
> all the steps including the info about the display, so that I may include it 
> if appropriate.
> Please contact me off list if you prefer.
> 
> Thanks,
> On Sep 26, 2010, at 1:10 PM, Isaac Obie wrote:
> 
>>  
>> Hi guys:
>> How does one pair a braillenote with the Mac? We almost got it but we're 
>> missing something. It says paired, then it drops the ball for some reason. 
>> We got it to find three macs! thanks.
>> Isaac
>> 
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Re: pairing a braillenote with the mac?

[Isaac Obie]

Alllison,
My braillino pairs easily and it holds the pairing nicely! We have no trouble 
with that one. It's the braillenote that we have trouble with. But you know the 
braillino has these tripple action keys? those drive me nuts at times. I don't 
like them. I wanted to pair the braillenote to see how it works. I may have to 
call HumanWare on this one.
You will need to use your computer to load files on the braillino. so if you 
want to take it with you to the doc's office, you will have to load the files 
beforehand. So good luck with it!
Isaac
  - Original Message - 
  From: Allison Manzino 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 6:53 PM
  Subject: Re: pairing a braillenote with the mac?


  Hi Isaac,


  I'm glad I'm not the only one who is having this problem. I thought I was 
doing something wrong. I can't wait for my Braillino. I will post if it pairs 
easily and holds the pairing after I get it. Thank you again.


  Musically,
  Allison


  My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!




  On Sep 26, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Isaac Obie wrote:


Scott,
We did perform these steps.. I have the braillenote mpower bt18 and it's 
one of the last units built. It has the updted braille display with the metal 
cursor routing buttons. It paired, but it didn't hold it.
If you want to discuss off list you need to send me your email.
coac...@verizon.net
thanks
Isaac
  - Original Message -
  From: Scott Howell
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 2:20 PM
  Subject: Re: pairing a braillenote with the mac?


  Isaac,


  You can perform the pairing via SYstem Preferences as you discovered and 
then use the Braille tab in the VOiceOver Utility (vo-f8) to add the device via 
bluetooth. If you have performed these steps, please advise. In fact if you 
would tell me which display you have, its age, and any other details about it, 
I would really appreciate this information. I have had a problem paring a new 
Brailliant 40 and I have an open report with APple. I would like to know all 
the steps including the info about the display, so that I may include it if 
appropriate.
  Please contact me off list if you prefer.


  Thanks,
  On Sep 26, 2010, at 1:10 PM, Isaac Obie wrote:



Hi guys:
How does one pair a braillenote with the Mac? We almost got it but 
we're missing something. It says paired, then it drops the ball for some 
reason. We got it to find three macs! thanks.
Isaac


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Re: Some stuff I did with pro tools.

[Colin M]

Hi Kevin!
I like the jingles!
The Mac theme I like a lot!
On 26 Sep 2010, at 23:54, Kevin Reeves wrote:

> Hey folks. Just wanted to throw out a quick link to a file containing 2 
> jingles I just completed with Pro Tools 8, now accessible with Voiceover. I 
> invite you to take a listen. All the sequencing, tracking, editing, mixing, 
> and mastering was done in Pro Tools. A great deal of the sounds used were 
> instruments that shipped with Pro Tools, except for the guitars and drums 
> found in the MyMac Theme. Hope you guys enjoy these.
> 
> http://www.kevinreeves.net/Themes.zip
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Re: pairing a braillenote with the mac?

[Allison Manzino]

Hi Isaac,

THank you so much for your reply. I found that with the BrailleNote, you need 
to turn bluetooth on first, and then put it in to terminal mode. After that is 
completed, try pairing it again. THis is the only way I found that works. 
Unfortunately, the display on mine is going, and the battery is too.  It 
requires a reset, now it won't pair at all. Some of the HumanWare  staff have 
Macs. THey were very helpful when I called. Would you mind letting me know what 
happens? I'd be interested to see if you get the BrailleNote to work. THank you 
again for all the great information about the Braillino. I will hopefully have 
mine tomorrow. Have a great evening.

Musically,
Allison

My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!


On Sep 26, 2010, at 7:01 PM, Isaac Obie wrote:

> Alllison,
> My braillino pairs easily and it holds the pairing nicely! We have no trouble 
> with that one. It's the braillenote that we have trouble with. But you know 
> the braillino has these tripple action keys? those drive me nuts at times. I 
> don't like them. I wanted to pair the braillenote to see how it works. I may 
> have to call HumanWare on this one.
> You will need to use your computer to load files on the braillino. so if you 
> want to take it with you to the doc's office, you will have to load the files 
> beforehand. So good luck with it!
> Isaac
> - Original Message -
> From: Allison Manzino
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 6:53 PM
> Subject: Re: pairing a braillenote with the mac?
> 
> Hi Isaac,
> 
> I'm glad I'm not the only one who is having this problem. I thought I was 
> doing something wrong. I can't wait for my Braillino. I will post if it pairs 
> easily and holds the pairing after I get it. Thank you again.
> 
> Musically,
> Allison
> 
> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
> 
> 
> On Sep 26, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Isaac Obie wrote:
> 
>> Scott,
>> We did perform these steps.. I have the braillenote mpower bt18 and it's one 
>> of the last units built. It has the updted braille display with the metal 
>> cursor routing buttons. It paired, but it didn't hold it.
>> If you want to discuss off list you need to send me your email.
>> coac...@verizon.net
>> thanks
>> Isaac
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Scott Howell
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 2:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: pairing a braillenote with the mac?
>> 
>> Isaac,
>> 
>> You can perform the pairing via SYstem Preferences as you discovered and 
>> then use the Braille tab in the VOiceOver Utility (vo-f8) to add the device 
>> via bluetooth. If you have performed these steps, please advise. In fact if 
>> you would tell me which display you have, its age, and any other details 
>> about it, I would really appreciate this information. I have had a problem 
>> paring a new Brailliant 40 and I have an open report with APple. I would 
>> like to know all the steps including the info about the display, so that I 
>> may include it if appropriate.
>> Please contact me off list if you prefer.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> On Sep 26, 2010, at 1:10 PM, Isaac Obie wrote:
>> 
>>>  
>>> Hi guys:
>>> How does one pair a braillenote with the Mac? We almost got it but we're 
>>> missing something. It says paired, then it drops the ball for some reason. 
>>> We got it to find three macs! thanks.
>>> Isaac
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Re: pairing a braillenote with the mac?

[Isaac Obie]

Hi allison,
I was wondering if because my braillenote is part of the dbc(deaf-blind 
communicator) had anything to do with the lack of pairing. I didn't know you 
had to put it in terminal mode. I'll try that next when the teacher and I have 
time. He's trying to get me setup to do email now. Hopefully, we'll be able to 
do this real soon.
Your braillino has four nicad batteries. You can change your own batteries and 
your own software. but you have no speech! It has an olboard manual just like 
the braillenote, but not quite as intrusive. But you'lll enjoy it probably. All 
the best and I'll let you know if I can pair that braillenote dbc.
Thanks.
Isaac
  - Original Message - 
  From: Allison Manzino 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 7:24 PM
  Subject: Re: pairing a braillenote with the mac?


  Hi Isaac,


  THank you so much for your reply. I found that with the BrailleNote, you need 
to turn bluetooth on first, and then put it in to terminal mode. After that is 
completed, try pairing it again. THis is the only way I found that works. 
Unfortunately, the display on mine is going, and the battery is too.  It 
requires a reset, now it won't pair at all. Some of the HumanWare  staff have 
Macs. THey were very helpful when I called. Would you mind letting me know what 
happens? I'd be interested to see if you get the BrailleNote to work. THank you 
again for all the great information about the Braillino. I will hopefully have 
mine tomorrow. Have a great evening.


  Musically,
  Allison


  My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!




  On Sep 26, 2010, at 7:01 PM, Isaac Obie wrote:


Alllison,
My braillino pairs easily and it holds the pairing nicely! We have no 
trouble with that one. It's the braillenote that we have trouble with. But you 
know the braillino has these tripple action keys? those drive me nuts at times. 
I don't like them. I wanted to pair the braillenote to see how it works. I may 
have to call HumanWare on this one.
You will need to use your computer to load files on the braillino. so if 
you want to take it with you to the doc's office, you will have to load the 
files beforehand. So good luck with it!
Isaac
  - Original Message -
  From: Allison Manzino
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 6:53 PM
  Subject: Re: pairing a braillenote with the mac?


  Hi Isaac,


  I'm glad I'm not the only one who is having this problem. I thought I was 
doing something wrong. I can't wait for my Braillino. I will post if it pairs 
easily and holds the pairing after I get it. Thank you again.


  Musically,
  Allison


  My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!




  On Sep 26, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Isaac Obie wrote:


Scott,
We did perform these steps.. I have the braillenote mpower bt18 and 
it's one of the last units built. It has the updted braille display with the 
metal cursor routing buttons. It paired, but it didn't hold it.
If you want to discuss off list you need to send me your email.
coac...@verizon.net
thanks
Isaac
  - Original Message -
  From: Scott Howell
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 2:20 PM
  Subject: Re: pairing a braillenote with the mac?


  Isaac,


  You can perform the pairing via SYstem Preferences as you discovered 
and then use the Braille tab in the VOiceOver Utility (vo-f8) to add the device 
via bluetooth. If you have performed these steps, please advise. In fact if you 
would tell me which display you have, its age, and any other details about it, 
I would really appreciate this information. I have had a problem paring a new 
Brailliant 40 and I have an open report with APple. I would like to know all 
the steps including the info about the display, so that I may include it if 
appropriate.
  Please contact me off list if you prefer.


  Thanks,
  On Sep 26, 2010, at 1:10 PM, Isaac Obie wrote:



Hi guys:
How does one pair a braillenote with the Mac? We almost got it but 
we're missing something. It says paired, then it drops the ball for some 
reason. We got it to find three macs! thanks.
Isaac


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Re: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver

[gkearney]

No I tested the release version of Microsoft Office for Mac 2011

Greg

On Sep 27, 4:18 am, "M. Taylor"  wrote:
> Hello Greg,
>
> Thank you so much for providing this info.
>
> I cannot begin to relay how sad and disappointed I am at the news of
> Microsoft's Office 2011 VoiceOver inaccessibility.  
>
> Wow!
>
> You know, when I installed the very first beta of Windows 7, it was
> completely accessible.  That is to say, as soon as one launched the
> installation program for Windows 7, a very clear voice prompt asked if audio
> assistance was required.  This came as a total surprise to me, to say the
> least.  I answered in the affirmative and was able to install Windows 7
> without any sighted assistance, whatsoever.  I installed that first beta on
> three of my computers.  By the way, the voice that was used to guide me
> through the setup was not that of Narrator--it was much clearer.
>
> Astonishingly, with the release of the next beta of Windows 7, this feature
> was removed.  I was shocked, disappointed, and angry, to say the least.  
>
> It was then that I began considering purchasing a Macintosh.  
>
> It's been much too long to recall how I came to learn Microsoft's reason for
> removing this feature but they said they removed it for security concerns;
> to which I exclaim, "TommyRot!"  Or, to put it in the vernacular,
> "That's a load of crap"
>
> Greg, is it possible that the final release of Office 2011 will be VoiceOver
> accessible?  I mean, you reviewed a beta, did you not?  Perhaps I'm just
> grasping at straws, eh?  (Smile)
>
> Thanks again for giving us a proverbial "heads-up" on this one.
>
> Most Sincerely,
>
> mark
> -
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Kearney
> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 1:22 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; macvoiceo...@freelists.org; Mary Beth
> Janes; Mike Shebanek
> Subject: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver
>
> It is my sad duty to report that after getting a chance to test Microsoft
> Office 2011 for Mac that it is no more accessible in this version than in
> any of the previous versions. As in the past it is impossible to interact
> with any of the content areas of the program. You are not able to review,
> read or edit the text area in Word or Excel.
>
> It should not be clear to all that Microsoft has no intention of ever fixing
> these issues. I communicated directly with Microsoft over the same failing
> in Office 2008. The fact that after a complete rewire of the programs they
> remain inaccessible to the built in screen reader of the OS to me speak
> volumes about Microsoft's total lack of commitment to accessibility on the
> Macintosh platform and may well speak to Microsoft's general commitment to
> the platform as well.
>
> Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media
> Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA
> PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA 6100
> Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 |www.guidedogswa.com.au
> Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America)
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Re: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver

[Scott Howell]

Erik,

Yes you could always install Debian etc. However, that should not be necessary. 
OO does work reasonably well, but iWorks suite is also quite accessible and I 
am hoping the next version will be even more accessible. I am not sure Mark 
when it will be out, but I gather sometime in the next couple of months.

On Sep 26, 2010, at 5:33 PM, Erik Heil wrote:

> Well, it may be issues with support as well as development. Remember we also 
> have access to OOo, which is accessible. Barring that, you could always 
> install Debian within a BM and use the GO.OO.org version which is nincluded 
> in the distribution.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Sep 26, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Scott Howell  wrote:
> 
>> Mark,
>> 
>> I suspect Microsoft is simply not interested in accessibility for the Mac. I 
>> have never heard anything that would indicate a reason for Microsoft to take 
>> the time to make the Office suite accessible. If accessibility is not in the 
>> beta now, I would wager it will not be in the final version. In fact it 
>> seems that it would take more effort to add the accessibility in now instead 
>> of doing it at the beginning if you will. So, forget it, our hope is that 
>> iWorks 10 is even more accessible then 09.
>> On Sep 26, 2010, at 4:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Greg,
>>> 
>>> Thank you so much for providing this info.
>>> 
>>> I cannot begin to relay how sad and disappointed I am at the news of
>>> Microsoft's Office 2011 VoiceOver inaccessibility.  
>>> 
>>> Wow!
>>> 
>>> You know, when I installed the very first beta of Windows 7, it was
>>> completely accessible.  That is to say, as soon as one launched the
>>> installation program for Windows 7, a very clear voice prompt asked if audio
>>> assistance was required.  This came as a total surprise to me, to say the
>>> least.  I answered in the affirmative and was able to install Windows 7
>>> without any sighted assistance, whatsoever.  I installed that first beta on
>>> three of my computers.  By the way, the voice that was used to guide me
>>> through the setup was not that of Narrator--it was much clearer.
>>> 
>>> Astonishingly, with the release of the next beta of Windows 7, this feature
>>> was removed.  I was shocked, disappointed, and angry, to say the least.  
>>> 
>>> It was then that I began considering purchasing a Macintosh.  
>>> 
>>> It's been much too long to recall how I came to learn Microsoft's reason for
>>> removing this feature but they said they removed it for security concerns;
>>> to which I exclaim, "TommyRot!"  Or, to put it in the vernacular,
>>> "That's a load of crap"
>>> 
>>> Greg, is it possible that the final release of Office 2011 will be VoiceOver
>>> accessible?  I mean, you reviewed a beta, did you not?  Perhaps I'm just
>>> grasping at straws, eh?  (Smile) 
>>> 
>>> Thanks again for giving us a proverbial "heads-up" on this one.
>>> 
>>> Most Sincerely,
>>> 
>>> mark
>>> -
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Kearney
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 1:22 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; macvoiceo...@freelists.org; Mary Beth
>>> Janes; Mike Shebanek
>>> Subject: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver
>>> 
>>> It is my sad duty to report that after getting a chance to test Microsoft
>>> Office 2011 for Mac that it is no more accessible in this version than in
>>> any of the previous versions. As in the past it is impossible to interact
>>> with any of the content areas of the program. You are not able to review,
>>> read or edit the text area in Word or Excel.
>>> 
>>> It should not be clear to all that Microsoft has no intention of ever fixing
>>> these issues. I communicated directly with Microsoft over the same failing
>>> in Office 2008. The fact that after a complete rewire of the programs they
>>> remain inaccessible to the built in screen reader of the OS to me speak
>>> volumes about Microsoft's total lack of commitment to accessibility on the
>>> Macintosh platform and may well speak to Microsoft's general commitment to
>>> the platform as well.
>>> 
>>> Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media
>>> Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA
>>> PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA 6100
>>> Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 | www.guidedogswa.com.au
>>> Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America)
>>> Email: greg.kear...@guidedogswa.com.au
>>> Email: gkear...@gmail.com
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Re: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver

[gkearney]

It is interesting to note that the ribbons were accessible, much of
the user interface is as well. It is the main content areas that are
not accessible.

Greg

On Sep 27, 6:16 am, "Dave Taylor"  wrote:
> I bet that if they tried, they would soon realise that the ribbons would be
> difficult if not impossible to implement with VO anyway. As it is, their
> insistence on these awful things is one of my key drivers for making the
> switch, though there are many others too. Mike, the podcast where you
> install Snow Leopard is as good a demonstration as anything of how far
> things have come on the Mac side, I'm afraid it is the opposite story,
> almost the reverse story, on the windows side!
>
> Cheers
> Dave
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 11:03 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver
>
> I don't think he said it was a beta. It is very disappointing indeed,
> really, Microsoft has no excuse for this one, it's not like they were not
> aware of accessibility and voice over, they just chose not to do anything
> with it. Apple has created a built in screen reader and provided the APIs to
> make programs accessible, Microsoft has definitely shown their interest in
> this. At least on the mac, there are alternatives that will handle Microsoft
> Office files, namely iwork and open office.
> On Sep 26, 2010, at 3:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>
> > Hello Greg,
>
> > Thank you so much for providing this info.
>
> > I cannot begin to relay how sad and disappointed I am at the news of
> > Microsoft's Office 2011 VoiceOver inaccessibility.  
>
> > Wow!
>
> > You know, when I installed the very first beta of Windows 7, it was
> > completely accessible.  That is to say, as soon as one launched the
> > installation program for Windows 7, a very clear voice prompt asked if
> audio
> > assistance was required.  This came as a total surprise to me, to say the
> > least.  I answered in the affirmative and was able to install Windows 7
> > without any sighted assistance, whatsoever.  I installed that first beta
> on
> > three of my computers.  By the way, the voice that was used to guide me
> > through the setup was not that of Narrator--it was much clearer.
>
> > Astonishingly, with the release of the next beta of Windows 7, this
> feature
> > was removed.  I was shocked, disappointed, and angry, to say the least.  
>
> > It was then that I began considering purchasing a Macintosh.  
>
> > It's been much too long to recall how I came to learn Microsoft's reason
> for
> > removing this feature but they said they removed it for security concerns;
> > to which I exclaim, "TommyRot!"  Or, to put it in the vernacular,
> > "That's a load of crap"
>
> > Greg, is it possible that the final release of Office 2011 will be
> VoiceOver
> > accessible?  I mean, you reviewed a beta, did you not?  Perhaps I'm just
> > grasping at straws, eh?  (Smile)
>
> > Thanks again for giving us a proverbial "heads-up" on this one.
>
> > Most Sincerely,
>
> > mark
> > -
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Kearney
> > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 1:22 AM
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; macvoiceo...@freelists.org; Mary Beth
> > Janes; Mike Shebanek
> > Subject: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver
>
> > It is my sad duty to report that after getting a chance to test Microsoft
> > Office 2011 for Mac that it is no more accessible in this version than in
> > any of the previous versions. As in the past it is impossible to interact
> > with any of the content areas of the program. You are not able to review,
> > read or edit the text area in Word or Excel.
>
> > It should not be clear to all that Microsoft has no intention of ever
> fixing
> > these issues. I communicated directly with Microsoft over the same failing
> > in Office 2008. The fact that after a complete rewire of the programs they
> > remain inaccessible to the built in screen reader of the OS to me speak
> > volumes about Microsoft's total lack of commitment to accessibility on the
> > Macintosh platform and may well speak to Microsoft's general commitment to
> > the platform as well.
>
> > Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media
> > Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA
> > PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA
> 6100
> > Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 |www.guidedogswa.com.au
> > Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America)
> > Email: greg.kear...@guidedogswa.com.au
> > Email: gkear...@gmail.com
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Re: Help with Fission.

[Allison Manzino]

Hi Kevin,

Yes AMadues is similar in a lot of ways to Sound Forge. I have Sound Forge on 
my HP Desktop and love it. RInger is an program used to create ringtones. You 
can download a demo version. I did a podcast on Ringer. You can check it out at:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2810328/ringerpodcast.mp3
You are in the right place if you decide to get Amadues, or if you have it 
already. THere are so many people who know much more about this great program. 
A lot more than I do, smile. Well, have a great day.

Musically,
Allison

My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!


On Sep 26, 2010, at 4:16 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote:

> Does ringer or amadeus give you more soundforge like usability? I have 
> amadeus pro, but seemed to be having the same problem. What is ringer by the 
> way? Another audio editor? Thanks so much for the info.
> 
> Kevin
> On Sep 25, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Allison Manzino wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kevin,
>> 
>> WHaat are you using Fission for? If it's to  create a ringtone, I had the 
>> same problem you described. If you are using Fission to create ringtones, I 
>> use either RInger or Amadeus Pro. I hope that helps.
>> 
>> Musically,
>> Allison
>> 
>> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 26, 2010, at 12:07 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Kevin,
>>> 
>>> You asked:
>>> 
 1. How do you crop silence from start and end from a file? I couldn't seem 
 to find an easy solution for that.
>>> 
>>> Answer:  There is no automated way as far as I can tell.  The method I use 
>>> is to listen and determine where the sound begins, split the clip at that 
>>> location (cmd-t), select the previous or next clip (cmd-[ or cmd-]) 
>>> depending on what needs cropped then once the selection is made, pressing 
>>> cmd-k to Crop it.  A little cumbersome but workable.
 
 2. How do you make the play head jump back to the selection every time 
 stop is pressed? As one who edits in soundforge, pro tools, etc, I want to 
 hit play, hear my selection, and be able to re listen to that spot as I 
 make changes. What happens now is that play acts as pause and keeps the 
 play head in the same spot. THis makes it really hard to edit clips out of 
 songs for making ring tones and such. Anyone have any easy solutions on 
 how to best efficiently perform these tasks? Any other tips on how to more 
 efficiently use Fission, or should I look at another editing solution?
>>> 
>>> Answer:  You need to first be interacting with the playhead area which is 
>>> just one VO-right arrow past the Toolbar.  When in this area you can press 
>>> cmd-left arrow to take you to the beginning or cmd-right arrow to take you 
>>> to the end of the selection.  Holding down the option key instead of the 
>>> command key moves in very small increments. Press cmd-[ or cmd-] to play a 
>>> little snippet of the beginning or end respectively.
>>> 
>>> There is a menu-item for selecting a certain area but it doesn't seem to be 
>>> accessible.  I'll write to the developers about that as they are quite good 
>>> at making things work in an accessible way.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
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>>> fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
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Re: pairing a braillenote with the mac?

[Allison Manzino]

Hi Isaac,

Thank you for the great info about the Braillino I may have more questions for 
you I hope you wouldn't mind One of the reasons I chose the Braillino is that 
it runs on triple A batteries. I think that is amazing! I  think the 
BrailleNote is a great piece of gear. It will be interesting to transition  
from the BrailleNote to the Braillino. Oh wow, I had never thought about the 
fact that the Braillino didn't have speech until you mentioned it. It almost 
seems to me as if the BrailleNote sees the Mac, pairs and then as soon as it is 
switched out of terminal mode it forgets the pairing. It worked well for a few 
days for me. I used it to read banjo tab. I hope you can set up your E-mail. It 
is wonderful to be able to proofread your mail in Braille. I just love it. I 
hope you are having a great evening.

Musically,
Allison

My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!


On Sep 26, 2010, at 7:38 PM, Isaac Obie wrote:

> Hi allison,
> I was wondering if because my braillenote is part of the dbc(deaf-blind 
> communicator) had anything to do with the lack of pairing. I didn't know you 
> had to put it in terminal mode. I'll try that next when the teacher and I 
> have time. He's trying to get me setup to do email now. Hopefully, we'll be 
> able to do this real soon.
> Your braillino has four nicad batteries. You can change your own batteries 
> and your own software. but you have no speech! It has an olboard manual just 
> like the braillenote, but not quite as intrusive. But you'lll enjoy it 
> probably. All the best and I'll let you know if I can pair that braillenote 
> dbc.
> Thanks.
> Isaac
> - Original Message -
> From: Allison Manzino
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 7:24 PM
> Subject: Re: pairing a braillenote with the mac?
> 
> Hi Isaac,
> 
> THank you so much for your reply. I found that with the BrailleNote, you need 
> to turn bluetooth on first, and then put it in to terminal mode. After that 
> is completed, try pairing it again. THis is the only way I found that works. 
> Unfortunately, the display on mine is going, and the battery is too.  It 
> requires a reset, now it won't pair at all. Some of the HumanWare  staff have 
> Macs. THey were very helpful when I called. Would you mind letting me know 
> what happens? I'd be interested to see if you get the BrailleNote to work. 
> THank you again for all the great information about the Braillino. I will 
> hopefully have mine tomorrow. Have a great evening.
> 
> Musically,
> Allison
> 
> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
> 
> 
> On Sep 26, 2010, at 7:01 PM, Isaac Obie wrote:
> 
>> Alllison,
>> My braillino pairs easily and it holds the pairing nicely! We have no 
>> trouble with that one. It's the braillenote that we have trouble with. But 
>> you know the braillino has these tripple action keys? those drive me nuts at 
>> times. I don't like them. I wanted to pair the braillenote to see how it 
>> works. I may have to call HumanWare on this one.
>> You will need to use your computer to load files on the braillino. so if you 
>> want to take it with you to the doc's office, you will have to load the 
>> files beforehand. So good luck with it!
>> Isaac
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Allison Manzino
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 6:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: pairing a braillenote with the mac?
>> 
>> Hi Isaac,
>> 
>> I'm glad I'm not the only one who is having this problem. I thought I was 
>> doing something wrong. I can't wait for my Braillino. I will post if it 
>> pairs easily and holds the pairing after I get it. Thank you again.
>> 
>> Musically,
>> Allison
>> 
>> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 26, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Isaac Obie wrote:
>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> We did perform these steps.. I have the braillenote mpower bt18 and it's 
>>> one of the last units built. It has the updted braille display with the 
>>> metal cursor routing buttons. It paired, but it didn't hold it.
>>> If you want to discuss off list you need to send me your email.
>>> coac...@verizon.net
>>> thanks
>>> Isaac
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Scott Howell
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 2:20 PM
>>> Subject: Re: pairing a braillenote with the mac?
>>> 
>>> Isaac,
>>> 
>>> You can perform the pairing via SYstem Preferences as you discovered and 
>>> then use the Braille tab in the VOiceOver Utility (vo-f8) to add the device 
>>> via bluetooth. If you have performed these steps, please advise. In fact if 
>>> you would tell me which display you have, its age, and any other details 
>>> about it, I would really appreciate this information. I have had a problem 
>>> paring a new Brailliant 40 and I have an open report with APple. I would 
>>> like to know all the steps including the info about the display, so that I 
>>> may include it if appropriate.
>>> Pl

Re: Get The Awareness App for Free!

[Allison Manzino]

Hi Ellie,

We live in Westchester, I have never been to Brooklyn. I used to work in the 
Bronx though for a nursing home. It was great.  Did you find the Awareness app? 
I hope so it is great. I hope you are having a great day. Aloha.

Musically,
Allison

My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!


On Sep 25, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote:

> To say hello in Hawaiian you say aloha. I'm born in Brooklyn, raised in 
> Queens and educated in the Bronx. You from the island or Westchester?
> 
> Aloha,
> 
> Ellie
> 
> On Sep 25, 2010, at 1:13 PM, Allison Manzino  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Charlie,
>> 
>> I forgot how to say hello in Hawaiian. When you are in the App store, you 
>> just search for Awareness. and VO  right arrow to search. YOu can double tap 
>> if you are on the Ipod or Iphone. It will say Headphone ap and have a little 
>> description. I hope that helps. I love downloading things from the Ap store. 
>> It will probably ask you for your password. You enter it, double tap to okay 
>> and and it will ask you to agree with the Itunes terms and conditions. I 
>> know most of you are probably wondering why I'm mentioning this. For one 
>> reason, this is because when it came up on the Iphone, I realized I had to 
>> swipe up twice till I came to the third page of the agreement. Then there is 
>> an agree button. I say this because I wouldn't wish you the same trouble I 
>> had. I hope this helps. Have a great day.
>> 
>> Oh, I am not in New York City, but half an hour away from it. It's nice to 
>> have the City so close.
>> 
>> Cheerily,
>> Allison
>>   
>> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 25, 2010, at 6:00 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
>> 
>>> Aloha Allison,
>>> I went looking for the app maybe I'm a little lolo (stupid) what do I look 
>>> for in the app store?
>>> Do you live in the city?
>>> 
>>> Aloha,
>>> 
>>> Ellie
>>> 
>>> On Sep 25, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Allison Manzino  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Charlie,
 
 I hope you like it, it's a cool little ap. I hope everything is wonderful 
 in Hawaii. It's red hot here in New York.
 
 Musically,
 Allison
 
 My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
 
 
 On Sep 25, 2010, at 11:43 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
 
> Mahalo Allison, I'll have to check it out
> 
> Aloha, 
> 
> Charlie
> 
> Check out our website www.giantdolphin.com 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 25, 2010, at 3:44 AM, Allison Manzino  wrote:
> 
>> Aloha Charlie,
>> 
>> THis ap lets you listen to the outside world around you while you are 
>> playing music through headphones. I didn't see mark's message about the 
>> codes, and just purchased this ap. It works well once you configure the 
>> settings. What a great little ap this is. Mark has a podcast on it as 
>> well. You can check it out at:
>> http://www.candleshoreblog.com
>> 
>> I am a new fan  of  Mark's podcasts and I am really enjoying them. He is 
>> a great podcaster. I hope I have helped you. Have a great day.
>> 
>> Cheerily,
>> Allison
>> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 25, 2010, at 12:26 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
>> 
>>> Excuse my ignorance, but what does this app do?
>>> 
>>> Aloha, 
>>> 
>>> Charlie
>>> 
>>> Check out our website www.giantdolphin.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2010, at 5:30 PM, "M. Taylor"  wrote:
>>> 
 Hello All,
 
 I have received some promotional codes from the developer of 
 Awareness, The
 Headphones App, to give out to any blind or low vision person.  This 
 means
 that the App will be free for the recipients of the codes.
 
 All that is requested by Essency, the makers of Awareness, is that you
 provide feedback to them regarding the accessibility of the App when 
 used
 with VoiceOver.  
 
 So, if you'd like a free copy of Awareness, please send me an email,
 off-list requesting a code; please also include in the body of the 
 email,
 your full name.  As soon as I receive your request, I'll reply with 
 the code
 you need in order to download a free copy of Awareness.  Please be 
 aware
 that these codes are intended for use by blind or low vision people so 
 don't
 request one just to give it to your sighted cousin, OK?  (Smile)  
 
 My direct email address is mk...@ucla.edu
 
 Mark
 
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Re: Get The Awareness App for Free!

[Charlie Doremus]

Aloha Allison,
Yes we fount the app. Mahalo.  

Aloha, 

Charlie

Check out our website www.giantdolphin.com 



On Sep 26, 2010, at 2:29 PM, Allison Manzino  wrote:

> Hi Ellie,
> 
> We live in Westchester, I have never been to Brooklyn. I used to work in the 
> Bronx though for a nursing home. It was great.  Did you find the Awareness 
> app? I hope so it is great. I hope you are having a great day. Aloha.
> 
> Musically,
> Allison
> 
> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
> 
> 
> On Sep 25, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
> 
>> To say hello in Hawaiian you say aloha. I'm born in Brooklyn, raised in 
>> Queens and educated in the Bronx. You from the island or Westchester?
>> 
>> Aloha,
>> 
>> Ellie
>> 
>> On Sep 25, 2010, at 1:13 PM, Allison Manzino  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Charlie,
>>> 
>>> I forgot how to say hello in Hawaiian. When you are in the App store, you 
>>> just search for Awareness. and VO  right arrow to search. YOu can double 
>>> tap if you are on the Ipod or Iphone. It will say Headphone ap and have a 
>>> little description. I hope that helps. I love downloading things from the 
>>> Ap store. It will probably ask you for your password. You enter it, double 
>>> tap to okay and and it will ask you to agree with the Itunes terms and 
>>> conditions. I know most of you are probably wondering why I'm mentioning 
>>> this. For one reason, this is because when it came up on the Iphone, I 
>>> realized I had to swipe up twice till I came to the third page of the 
>>> agreement. Then there is an agree button. I say this because I wouldn't 
>>> wish you the same trouble I had. I hope this helps. Have a great day.
>>> 
>>> Oh, I am not in New York City, but half an hour away from it. It's nice to 
>>> have the City so close.
>>> 
>>> Cheerily,
>>> Allison
>>>   
>>> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 25, 2010, at 6:00 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
>>> 
 Aloha Allison,
 I went looking for the app maybe I'm a little lolo (stupid) what do I look 
 for in the app store?
 Do you live in the city?
 
 Aloha,
 
 Ellie
 
 On Sep 25, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Allison Manzino  wrote:
 
> Hi Charlie,
> 
> I hope you like it, it's a cool little ap. I hope everything is wonderful 
> in Hawaii. It's red hot here in New York.
> 
> Musically,
> Allison
> 
> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
> 
> 
> On Sep 25, 2010, at 11:43 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
> 
>> Mahalo Allison, I'll have to check it out
>> 
>> Aloha, 
>> 
>> Charlie
>> 
>> Check out our website www.giantdolphin.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 25, 2010, at 3:44 AM, Allison Manzino  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Aloha Charlie,
>>> 
>>> THis ap lets you listen to the outside world around you while you are 
>>> playing music through headphones. I didn't see mark's message about the 
>>> codes, and just purchased this ap. It works well once you configure the 
>>> settings. What a great little ap this is. Mark has a podcast on it as 
>>> well. You can check it out at:
>>> http://www.candleshoreblog.com
>>> 
>>> I am a new fan  of  Mark's podcasts and I am really enjoying them. He 
>>> is a great podcaster. I hope I have helped you. Have a great day.
>>> 
>>> Cheerily,
>>> Allison
>>> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 25, 2010, at 12:26 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
>>> 
 Excuse my ignorance, but what does this app do?
 
 Aloha, 
 
 Charlie
 
 Check out our website www.giantdolphin.com 
 
 
 
 On Sep 24, 2010, at 5:30 PM, "M. Taylor"  wrote:
 
> Hello All,
> 
> I have received some promotional codes from the developer of 
> Awareness, The
> Headphones App, to give out to any blind or low vision person.  This 
> means
> that the App will be free for the recipients of the codes.
> 
> All that is requested by Essency, the makers of Awareness, is that you
> provide feedback to them regarding the accessibility of the App when 
> used
> with VoiceOver.  
> 
> So, if you'd like a free copy of Awareness, please send me an email,
> off-list requesting a code; please also include in the body of the 
> email,
> your full name.  As soon as I receive your request, I'll reply with 
> the code
> you need in order to download a free copy of Awareness.  Please be 
> aware
> that these codes are intended for use by blind or low vision people 
> so don't
> request one just to give it to your sighted cousin, OK?  (Smile)  
> 
> My direct email address is mk...@ucla.edu
> 
> Mark

Re: Get The Awareness App for Free!

[Allison Manzino]

Aloha CHarlie and Ellie,

Nice to hear from you. I hope you are having a wonderful day.  I'd love to know 
what you think of the Ap. I can't seem t get the mic as sensitive as I want.

Musically,
Allison


My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!


On Sep 26, 2010, at 8:42 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote:

> Aloha Allison,
> Yes we fount the app. Mahalo.  
> 
> Aloha, 
> 
> Charlie
> 
> Check out our website www.giantdolphin.com 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 26, 2010, at 2:29 PM, Allison Manzino  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ellie,
>> 
>> We live in Westchester, I have never been to Brooklyn. I used to work in the 
>> Bronx though for a nursing home. It was great.  Did you find the Awareness 
>> app? I hope so it is great. I hope you are having a great day. Aloha.
>> 
>> Musically,
>> Allison
>> 
>> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 25, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
>> 
>>> To say hello in Hawaiian you say aloha. I'm born in Brooklyn, raised in 
>>> Queens and educated in the Bronx. You from the island or Westchester?
>>> 
>>> Aloha,
>>> 
>>> Ellie
>>> 
>>> On Sep 25, 2010, at 1:13 PM, Allison Manzino  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Charlie,
 
 I forgot how to say hello in Hawaiian. When you are in the App store, you 
 just search for Awareness. and VO  right arrow to search. YOu can double 
 tap if you are on the Ipod or Iphone. It will say Headphone ap and have a 
 little description. I hope that helps. I love downloading things from the 
 Ap store. It will probably ask you for your password. You enter it, double 
 tap to okay and and it will ask you to agree with the Itunes terms and 
 conditions. I know most of you are probably wondering why I'm mentioning 
 this. For one reason, this is because when it came up on the Iphone, I 
 realized I had to swipe up twice till I came to the third page of the 
 agreement. Then there is an agree button. I say this because I wouldn't 
 wish you the same trouble I had. I hope this helps. Have a great day.
 
 Oh, I am not in New York City, but half an hour away from it. It's nice to 
 have the City so close.
 
 Cheerily,
 Allison
   
 My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
 
 
 On Sep 25, 2010, at 6:00 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
 
> Aloha Allison,
> I went looking for the app maybe I'm a little lolo (stupid) what do I 
> look for in the app store?
> Do you live in the city?
> 
> Aloha,
> 
> Ellie
> 
> On Sep 25, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Allison Manzino  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Charlie,
>> 
>> I hope you like it, it's a cool little ap. I hope everything is 
>> wonderful in Hawaii. It's red hot here in New York.
>> 
>> Musically,
>> Allison
>> 
>> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 25, 2010, at 11:43 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
>> 
>>> Mahalo Allison, I'll have to check it out
>>> 
>>> Aloha, 
>>> 
>>> Charlie
>>> 
>>> Check out our website www.giantdolphin.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 25, 2010, at 3:44 AM, Allison Manzino  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Aloha Charlie,
 
 THis ap lets you listen to the outside world around you while you are 
 playing music through headphones. I didn't see mark's message about 
 the codes, and just purchased this ap. It works well once you 
 configure the settings. What a great little ap this is. Mark has a 
 podcast on it as well. You can check it out at:
 http://www.candleshoreblog.com
 
 I am a new fan  of  Mark's podcasts and I am really enjoying them. He 
 is a great podcaster. I hope I have helped you. Have a great day.
 
 Cheerily,
 Allison
 My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
 
 
 On Sep 25, 2010, at 12:26 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
 
> Excuse my ignorance, but what does this app do?
> 
> Aloha, 
> 
> Charlie
> 
> Check out our website www.giantdolphin.com 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 24, 2010, at 5:30 PM, "M. Taylor"  wrote:
> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I have received some promotional codes from the developer of 
>> Awareness, The
>> Headphones App, to give out to any blind or low vision person.  This 
>> means
>> that the App will be free for the recipients of the codes.
>> 
>> All that is requested by Essency, the makers of Awareness, is that 
>> you
>> provide feedback to them regarding the accessibility of the App when 
>> used
>> with VoiceOver.  
>> 
>> So, if you'd like a free copy of Awareness, please send me an email,
>> off-list requesting a code; please also include in th

Renaming Mac Desktop Volumes

[Marketoe Day]

The folder or volume on my desktop, which once read "Mac HD", no longer has any 
title/label.  I am not certain what caused this to happen, which makes it more 
complex to correct.  Does anyone have any ideas what I may have done and/or 
what steps should be taken to correct the problem?

Thanks!

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Re: Renaming Mac Desktop Volumes

[Sarah Alawami]

Try hitting enter on the folder and typing in the new name. I dunno if that 
will work but god luck.
On Sep 26, 2010, at 6:21 PM, Marketoe Day wrote:

>  
> The folder or volume on my desktop, which once read "Mac HD", no longer has 
> any title/label.  I am not certain what caused this to happen, which makes it 
> more complex to correct.  Does anyone have any ideas what I may have done 
> and/or what steps should be taken to correct the problem?
>  
> Thanks!
> 
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Re: Get The Awareness App for Free!

[Sarah Alawami]

I still don't see how it works. do you put on headphones to use it?

S
On Sep 26, 2010, at 5:29 PM, Allison Manzino wrote:

> Hi Ellie,
> 
> We live in Westchester, I have never been to Brooklyn. I used to work in the 
> Bronx though for a nursing home. It was great.  Did you find the Awareness 
> app? I hope so it is great. I hope you are having a great day. Aloha.
> 
> Musically,
> Allison
> 
> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
> 
> 
> On Sep 25, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
> 
>> To say hello in Hawaiian you say aloha. I'm born in Brooklyn, raised in 
>> Queens and educated in the Bronx. You from the island or Westchester?
>> 
>> Aloha,
>> 
>> Ellie
>> 
>> On Sep 25, 2010, at 1:13 PM, Allison Manzino  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Charlie,
>>> 
>>> I forgot how to say hello in Hawaiian. When you are in the App store, you 
>>> just search for Awareness. and VO  right arrow to search. YOu can double 
>>> tap if you are on the Ipod or Iphone. It will say Headphone ap and have a 
>>> little description. I hope that helps. I love downloading things from the 
>>> Ap store. It will probably ask you for your password. You enter it, double 
>>> tap to okay and and it will ask you to agree with the Itunes terms and 
>>> conditions. I know most of you are probably wondering why I'm mentioning 
>>> this. For one reason, this is because when it came up on the Iphone, I 
>>> realized I had to swipe up twice till I came to the third page of the 
>>> agreement. Then there is an agree button. I say this because I wouldn't 
>>> wish you the same trouble I had. I hope this helps. Have a great day.
>>> 
>>> Oh, I am not in New York City, but half an hour away from it. It's nice to 
>>> have the City so close.
>>> 
>>> Cheerily,
>>> Allison
>>>   
>>> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 25, 2010, at 6:00 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
>>> 
 Aloha Allison,
 I went looking for the app maybe I'm a little lolo (stupid) what do I look 
 for in the app store?
 Do you live in the city?
 
 Aloha,
 
 Ellie
 
 On Sep 25, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Allison Manzino  wrote:
 
> Hi Charlie,
> 
> I hope you like it, it's a cool little ap. I hope everything is wonderful 
> in Hawaii. It's red hot here in New York.
> 
> Musically,
> Allison
> 
> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
> 
> 
> On Sep 25, 2010, at 11:43 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
> 
>> Mahalo Allison, I'll have to check it out
>> 
>> Aloha, 
>> 
>> Charlie
>> 
>> Check out our website www.giantdolphin.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 25, 2010, at 3:44 AM, Allison Manzino  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Aloha Charlie,
>>> 
>>> THis ap lets you listen to the outside world around you while you are 
>>> playing music through headphones. I didn't see mark's message about the 
>>> codes, and just purchased this ap. It works well once you configure the 
>>> settings. What a great little ap this is. Mark has a podcast on it as 
>>> well. You can check it out at:
>>> http://www.candleshoreblog.com
>>> 
>>> I am a new fan  of  Mark's podcasts and I am really enjoying them. He 
>>> is a great podcaster. I hope I have helped you. Have a great day.
>>> 
>>> Cheerily,
>>> Allison
>>> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 25, 2010, at 12:26 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
>>> 
 Excuse my ignorance, but what does this app do?
 
 Aloha, 
 
 Charlie
 
 Check out our website www.giantdolphin.com 
 
 
 
 On Sep 24, 2010, at 5:30 PM, "M. Taylor"  wrote:
 
> Hello All,
> 
> I have received some promotional codes from the developer of 
> Awareness, The
> Headphones App, to give out to any blind or low vision person.  This 
> means
> that the App will be free for the recipients of the codes.
> 
> All that is requested by Essency, the makers of Awareness, is that you
> provide feedback to them regarding the accessibility of the App when 
> used
> with VoiceOver.  
> 
> So, if you'd like a free copy of Awareness, please send me an email,
> off-list requesting a code; please also include in the body of the 
> email,
> your full name.  As soon as I receive your request, I'll reply with 
> the code
> you need in order to download a free copy of Awareness.  Please be 
> aware
> that these codes are intended for use by blind or low vision people 
> so don't
> request one just to give it to your sighted cousin, OK?  (Smile)  
> 
> My direct email address is mk...@ucla.edu
> 
> Mark
> 
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ABISee and Macs

[Frank Ventura]

Does anyone know if ABIsee is still interested in bringing any of its
OCR products to the Mac platform?

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Re: ABISee and Macs

[Rob]

Last I heard, the answer was yes.

Sent from my iPod

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> products to the Mac platform?
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Re: VO crashing in iChat message area

[Chantel Cuddemi]

Thx. 
On Sep 26, 2010, at 1:21 PM, Brandon Misch wrote:

> accessibil...@apple.com 
> 
> On Sep 26, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
> 
>> I might if I had the address. 
>> On Sep 26, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Brandon Misch wrote:
>> 
>>> i know we all should report this well, the people who use i chat anyway
>>> 
>>> On Sep 26, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
>>> 
 The more people that report it to Apple, the better. 
 On Sep 26, 2010, at 8:55 AM, Brandon Misch wrote:
 
> not yet. i did originally but haven't since the double interacting issue 
> but may do it today if anyone hasn't done it by now.
> 
> On Sep 25, 2010, at 3:06 PM, Nik Petersson wrote:
> 
>> Hello, has anyone reported this to Apple?
>> 
>> 
>> Nik
>> On 2010-09-25, at 11:13 AM, Chris Westbrook wrote:
>> 
>>> This is one of the reasons I switched to adium, no crashes like that 
>>> with adium.
>>> On Sep 24, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Nik Petersson wrote:
>>> 
 
 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
> From: Niklas Petersson 
> Date: September 24, 2010 8:19:09 PM PDT
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: VO crashing in iChat message area
> 
> Hello, has anyone else encountered issues where VO starts crashing 
> when trying to interact with the HTML area of a text chat.  This 
> usually happens after a couple of messages have been sent.  I find 
> that if I close the window and the person I am chatting with sends me 
> a chat to trigger a new window it will resume working.  Window size?  
> Amount of text or number of entries?  Anyone else seeing this.  
> 
> THX
> 
> 
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Re: VO crashing in iChat message area

[Brandon Misch]

you're welcome

On Sep 26, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:

> Thx. 
> On Sep 26, 2010, at 1:21 PM, Brandon Misch wrote:
> 
>> accessibil...@apple.com 
>> 
>> On Sep 26, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
>> 
>>> I might if I had the address. 
>>> On Sep 26, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Brandon Misch wrote:
>>> 
 i know we all should report this well, the people who use i chat anyway
 
 On Sep 26, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:
 
> The more people that report it to Apple, the better. 
> On Sep 26, 2010, at 8:55 AM, Brandon Misch wrote:
> 
>> not yet. i did originally but haven't since the double interacting issue 
>> but may do it today if anyone hasn't done it by now.
>> 
>> On Sep 25, 2010, at 3:06 PM, Nik Petersson wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello, has anyone reported this to Apple?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Nik
>>> On 2010-09-25, at 11:13 AM, Chris Westbrook wrote:
>>> 
 This is one of the reasons I switched to adium, no crashes like that 
 with adium.
 On Sep 24, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Nik Petersson wrote:
 
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Niklas Petersson 
>> Date: September 24, 2010 8:19:09 PM PDT
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: VO crashing in iChat message area
>> 
>> Hello, has anyone else encountered issues where VO starts crashing 
>> when trying to interact with the HTML area of a text chat.  This 
>> usually happens after a couple of messages have been sent.  I find 
>> that if I close the window and the person I am chatting with sends 
>> me a chat to trigger a new window it will resume working.  Window 
>> size?  Amount of text or number of entries?  Anyone else seeing 
>> this.  
>> 
>> THX
>> 
>> 
>> Nik
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Re: Renaming Mac Desktop Volumes

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Marketoe,

The HD is just like any other item on the Desktop and can be renamed by 
navigating to it, pressing return which will make it editable, then retyping 
Macintosh HD as the name for the volume.  This could be accidentally done as 
well if you have the HD selected then press the return key on it.  Another 
method to rename an item is to select it, press cmd-i to Get Info on it, then 
navigating to the Name and Extension field and renaming it from there.

HTH

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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>  
> The folder or volume on my desktop, which once read "Mac HD", no longer has 
> any title/label.  I am not certain what caused this to happen, which makes it 
> more complex to correct.  Does anyone have any ideas what I may have done 
> and/or what steps should be taken to correct the problem?
>  
> Thanks!
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Re: Some stuff I did with pro tools.

[Chris Moore]

Fantastic Kev, here's hoping more high end professional apps become accessible 
on the Mac.

Chris 
On 26 Sep 2010, at 23:54, Kevin Reeves wrote:

> Hey folks. Just wanted to throw out a quick link to a file containing 2 
> jingles I just completed with Pro Tools 8, now accessible with Voiceover. I 
> invite you to take a listen. All the sequencing, tracking, editing, mixing, 
> and mastering was done in Pro Tools. A great deal of the sounds used were 
> instruments that shipped with Pro Tools, except for the guitars and drums 
> found in the MyMac Theme. Hope you guys enjoy these.
> 
> http://www.kevinreeves.net/Themes.zip
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getting mail to stop saying "Thread."

[Kevin Reeves]

Hey folks. In mail, I have all my messages grouped by thread. On one of these 
machines, I was able to get vo to stop saying "Thread" every time it encounter 
one in mail. I somehow got it to just say "Collapsed" and "Expanded." However, 
I can't remember how I did it so I can duplicate that on the laptop. I already 
know it's a thread if it says collapsed. Just that word alone slows me down 
when scanning through huge lists of messages. If anyone remembers how to do 
this, I'd really appreciate it. I've looked in the custom verbosity dialog, but 
nothing there regarding threads. Thanks so much for any help you could provide.

Kevin

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Re: How To Get VoiceOver To Automatically Read Messages in Apple Mail

[Jonathan Cohn]

Mark,

I had listened to your pod cast sufficiently well.  There was a
missing item in things that need to happen, and even after that not
all items in mail will read immediately after they are opened in a
separate window.

The item that you were missing is in the Voice Over Utility.

If you uncheck (as is the default)
"Automatically select items in lists and tables." then the automatic
reading never works in addition, any "RSS" items in mail appear to
never read automatically using your method.

Just as an FYI since I believe MIke mentioned it, having the preview
pane on / off does not make a difference in automatic reading
according to my tests.

Best wishes,

Jon
 new e-mail mail messages.

The case where
On 25/09/2010, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello Jonathan,
>
> First, I changed the subject line to better reflect the discussion in which
> we are now engaging.
>
> 2.
> In my podcast on this subject, I demonstrate how to change the default email
> header preferences in Apple Mail so that messages will once again, just as
> in previous versions of the Mac OS, begin reading automatically.
>
>
>  sh-mail-application-for-use-with-voiceover/> Please Click Here to take
> another listen to the episode.
>
> Mark
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [
> 
> mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 12:17 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A Quick Question About The Multi-Touch Trackpad
>
> Mark,
>
> I probably shouldn't bring in a seperate issue here..., but hI
> listened to your p'cast on reading mail on the Macintosh, and I don't
> get my mail messages to auto-read when they open.  I first have to
> interact with the text block.  Have you ever experienced this?  In
> Leopard, the message block would read without issue, but since
> upgrading, this has not worked for me.
> Thanks,
>
> Jon
>
>
> On 23/09/2010, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> I've disabled the preview pane, and I think Mark has too.
>> On Sep 23, 2010, at 7:52 AM, Carolyn Haas wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mike and Mark:
>>> Perhaps it's because I haven't disabled preview pane.  I am able  to open
>>> and close messages with ctl-mouse-click, much as one would with VO-j.
>>> It's the only reason I can think of, as I didn't even realize I've been
>>> viewing preview pane.  HMMM, always learning.
>>>
>>> Carolyn
>>> On Sep 22, 2010, at 11:57 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>>
 Hi Mike.

 Yes, I have come to that same conclusion.  I don't know, it seemed that
 since one can do so many things from the TrackPad actually opening an
 email message should be one of them.

 Mark
 On Sep 22, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

> I don't think double tapping the track pad will open the message, to do
> that, just press enter and then use command w to close the window and
> return to the in box.
> On Sep 22, 2010, at 2:57 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
>
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> This may be obvious to some but...
>>
>> I find that I'm using my TrackPad more and more to interact with Apple
>> Mail.
>>
>>
>> All works wonderfully well except I cannot seem to open emails with
> the
>> TrackPad.  Can this be done?
>>
>> Please keep in mind that I do not use the Preview Pane, thus,
>> VoiceOver+J is
>> not an option.
>>
>> Presently, I press the [ENTER] key on my keyboard to open threaded
>> messaging.
>>
>> I've tried pressing down on the TrackPad when the Message is selected
>> but
>> this does not cause the thread to open.
>>
>> Thank you in advance,
>>
>> Mark
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vo randemly reading stuff in mail.

[Kevin Reeves]

Hey folks. One more mail question. I've had this issue where sometimes vo will 
randomly read when rows are added to a message list. Problem is, I'm not even 
in that window, or that app for that matter. It's very annoying and 
distracting. Anyone have this happen to them? Thanks so much

Kevin

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Re: Renaming Mac Desktop Volumes

[Sarah Alawami]

Ah didn't know about the info dialogue. Will have to try that if I have to 
change them.
On Sep 26, 2010, at 8:52 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

> Hi Marketoe,
> 
> The HD is just like any other item on the Desktop and can be renamed by 
> navigating to it, pressing return which will make it editable, then retyping 
> Macintosh HD as the name for the volume.  This could be accidentally done as 
> well if you have the HD selected then press the return key on it.  Another 
> method to rename an item is to select it, press cmd-i to Get Info on it, then 
> navigating to the Name and Extension field and renaming it from there.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2010-09-26, at 7:21 PM, Marketoe Day wrote:
> 
>>  
>> The folder or volume on my desktop, which once read "Mac HD", no longer has 
>> any title/label.  I am not certain what caused this to happen, which makes 
>> it more complex to correct.  Does anyone have any ideas what I may have done 
>> and/or what steps should be taken to correct the problem?
>>  
>> Thanks!
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Re: getting mail to stop saying "Thread."

[Sarah Alawami]

Try looking int he custom verbosity for discloser triangle. I'm guessing at the 
moment.

Take care.

S
On Sep 26, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote:

> Hey folks. In mail, I have all my messages grouped by thread. On one of these 
> machines, I was able to get vo to stop saying "Thread" every time it 
> encounter one in mail. I somehow got it to just say "Collapsed" and 
> "Expanded." However, I can't remember how I did it so I can duplicate that on 
> the laptop. I already know it's a thread if it says collapsed. Just that word 
> alone slows me down when scanning through huge lists of messages. If anyone 
> remembers how to do this, I'd really appreciate it. I've looked in the custom 
> verbosity dialog, but nothing there regarding threads. Thanks so much for any 
> help you could provide.
> 
> Kevin
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Re: getting mail to stop saying "Thread."

[Jonathan Cohn]

Did you put something in the dictionary?

On 27/09/2010, Kevin Reeves  wrote:
> Hey folks. In mail, I have all my messages grouped by thread. On one of
> these machines, I was able to get vo to stop saying "Thread" every time it
> encounter one in mail. I somehow got it to just say "Collapsed" and
> "Expanded." However, I can't remember how I did it so I can duplicate that
> on the laptop. I already know it's a thread if it says collapsed. Just that
> word alone slows me down when scanning through huge lists of messages. If
> anyone remembers how to do this, I'd really appreciate it. I've looked in
> the custom verbosity dialog, but nothing there regarding threads. Thanks so
> much for any help you could provide.
>
> Kevin
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Re: getting mail to stop saying "Thread."

[Sarah Alawami]

I got it to work. go to the custom verbosity and find the disclosure triangle 
and set it to status only.

Good luck.
On Sep 26, 2010, at 9:54 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

> Did you put something in the dictionary?
> 
> On 27/09/2010, Kevin Reeves  wrote:
>> Hey folks. In mail, I have all my messages grouped by thread. On one of
>> these machines, I was able to get vo to stop saying "Thread" every time it
>> encounter one in mail. I somehow got it to just say "Collapsed" and
>> "Expanded." However, I can't remember how I did it so I can duplicate that
>> on the laptop. I already know it's a thread if it says collapsed. Just that
>> word alone slows me down when scanning through huge lists of messages. If
>> anyone remembers how to do this, I'd really appreciate it. I've looked in
>> the custom verbosity dialog, but nothing there regarding threads. Thanks so
>> much for any help you could provide.
>> 
>> Kevin
>> 
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Re: Get The Awareness App for Free!

[Ricardo Walker]

Wow!

I din't know one could live in New York and never step foot in Brooklyn.  lol.  
I live in Queens by the way. :)
On Sep 26, 2010, at 8:29 PM, Allison Manzino wrote:

> Hi Ellie,
> 
> We live in Westchester, I have never been to Brooklyn. I used to work in the 
> Bronx though for a nursing home. It was great.  Did you find the Awareness 
> app? I hope so it is great. I hope you are having a great day. Aloha.
> 
> Musically,
> Allison
> 
> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
> 
> 
> On Sep 25, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
> 
>> To say hello in Hawaiian you say aloha. I'm born in Brooklyn, raised in 
>> Queens and educated in the Bronx. You from the island or Westchester?
>> 
>> Aloha,
>> 
>> Ellie
>> 
>> On Sep 25, 2010, at 1:13 PM, Allison Manzino  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Charlie,
>>> 
>>> I forgot how to say hello in Hawaiian. When you are in the App store, you 
>>> just search for Awareness. and VO  right arrow to search. YOu can double 
>>> tap if you are on the Ipod or Iphone. It will say Headphone ap and have a 
>>> little description. I hope that helps. I love downloading things from the 
>>> Ap store. It will probably ask you for your password. You enter it, double 
>>> tap to okay and and it will ask you to agree with the Itunes terms and 
>>> conditions. I know most of you are probably wondering why I'm mentioning 
>>> this. For one reason, this is because when it came up on the Iphone, I 
>>> realized I had to swipe up twice till I came to the third page of the 
>>> agreement. Then there is an agree button. I say this because I wouldn't 
>>> wish you the same trouble I had. I hope this helps. Have a great day.
>>> 
>>> Oh, I am not in New York City, but half an hour away from it. It's nice to 
>>> have the City so close.
>>> 
>>> Cheerily,
>>> Allison
>>>   
>>> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 25, 2010, at 6:00 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
>>> 
 Aloha Allison,
 I went looking for the app maybe I'm a little lolo (stupid) what do I look 
 for in the app store?
 Do you live in the city?
 
 Aloha,
 
 Ellie
 
 On Sep 25, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Allison Manzino  wrote:
 
> Hi Charlie,
> 
> I hope you like it, it's a cool little ap. I hope everything is wonderful 
> in Hawaii. It's red hot here in New York.
> 
> Musically,
> Allison
> 
> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
> 
> 
> On Sep 25, 2010, at 11:43 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
> 
>> Mahalo Allison, I'll have to check it out
>> 
>> Aloha, 
>> 
>> Charlie
>> 
>> Check out our website www.giantdolphin.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 25, 2010, at 3:44 AM, Allison Manzino  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Aloha Charlie,
>>> 
>>> THis ap lets you listen to the outside world around you while you are 
>>> playing music through headphones. I didn't see mark's message about the 
>>> codes, and just purchased this ap. It works well once you configure the 
>>> settings. What a great little ap this is. Mark has a podcast on it as 
>>> well. You can check it out at:
>>> http://www.candleshoreblog.com
>>> 
>>> I am a new fan  of  Mark's podcasts and I am really enjoying them. He 
>>> is a great podcaster. I hope I have helped you. Have a great day.
>>> 
>>> Cheerily,
>>> Allison
>>> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 25, 2010, at 12:26 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
>>> 
 Excuse my ignorance, but what does this app do?
 
 Aloha, 
 
 Charlie
 
 Check out our website www.giantdolphin.com 
 
 
 
 On Sep 24, 2010, at 5:30 PM, "M. Taylor"  wrote:
 
> Hello All,
> 
> I have received some promotional codes from the developer of 
> Awareness, The
> Headphones App, to give out to any blind or low vision person.  This 
> means
> that the App will be free for the recipients of the codes.
> 
> All that is requested by Essency, the makers of Awareness, is that you
> provide feedback to them regarding the accessibility of the App when 
> used
> with VoiceOver.  
> 
> So, if you'd like a free copy of Awareness, please send me an email,
> off-list requesting a code; please also include in the body of the 
> email,
> your full name.  As soon as I receive your request, I'll reply with 
> the code
> you need in order to download a free copy of Awareness.  Please be 
> aware
> that these codes are intended for use by blind or low vision people 
> so don't
> request one just to give it to your sighted cousin, OK?  (Smile)  
> 
> My direct email address is mk...@ucla.edu
> 
>

Re: getting mail to stop saying "Thread."

[Kevin Reeves]

I set it to status only, and now it says COllapsed disclosure triangle in the 
mail window. I even tried eliminating all 3 check boxes, but no go.
On Sep 26, 2010, at 11:53 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> Try looking int he custom verbosity for discloser triangle. I'm guessing at 
> the moment.
> 
> Take care.
> 
> S
> On Sep 26, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote:
> 
>> Hey folks. In mail, I have all my messages grouped by thread. On one of 
>> these machines, I was able to get vo to stop saying "Thread" every time it 
>> encounter one in mail. I somehow got it to just say "Collapsed" and 
>> "Expanded." However, I can't remember how I did it so I can duplicate that 
>> on the laptop. I already know it's a thread if it says collapsed. Just that 
>> word alone slows me down when scanning through huge lists of messages. If 
>> anyone remembers how to do this, I'd really appreciate it. I've looked in 
>> the custom verbosity dialog, but nothing there regarding threads. Thanks so 
>> much for any help you could provide.
>> 
>> Kevin
>> 
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Re: Get The Awareness App for Free!

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi Sarah,

Yes you need headphones.  That's kinda the point of the app. :).  It uses the 
microphone to pick up the noise around you and play it in the headphones while 
your listening to music or whatever.  Basically, it's like when your recording 
and you turn monitor on.

hth
On Sep 26, 2010, at 10:01 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
> I still don't see how it works. do you put on headphones to use it?
> 
> S
> On Sep 26, 2010, at 5:29 PM, Allison Manzino wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ellie,
>> 
>> We live in Westchester, I have never been to Brooklyn. I used to work in the 
>> Bronx though for a nursing home. It was great.  Did you find the Awareness 
>> app? I hope so it is great. I hope you are having a great day. Aloha.
>> 
>> Musically,
>> Allison
>> 
>> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 25, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
>> 
>>> To say hello in Hawaiian you say aloha. I'm born in Brooklyn, raised in 
>>> Queens and educated in the Bronx. You from the island or Westchester?
>>> 
>>> Aloha,
>>> 
>>> Ellie
>>> 
>>> On Sep 25, 2010, at 1:13 PM, Allison Manzino  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Charlie,
 
 I forgot how to say hello in Hawaiian. When you are in the App store, you 
 just search for Awareness. and VO  right arrow to search. YOu can double 
 tap if you are on the Ipod or Iphone. It will say Headphone ap and have a 
 little description. I hope that helps. I love downloading things from the 
 Ap store. It will probably ask you for your password. You enter it, double 
 tap to okay and and it will ask you to agree with the Itunes terms and 
 conditions. I know most of you are probably wondering why I'm mentioning 
 this. For one reason, this is because when it came up on the Iphone, I 
 realized I had to swipe up twice till I came to the third page of the 
 agreement. Then there is an agree button. I say this because I wouldn't 
 wish you the same trouble I had. I hope this helps. Have a great day.
 
 Oh, I am not in New York City, but half an hour away from it. It's nice to 
 have the City so close.
 
 Cheerily,
 Allison
   
 My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
 
 
 On Sep 25, 2010, at 6:00 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
 
> Aloha Allison,
> I went looking for the app maybe I'm a little lolo (stupid) what do I 
> look for in the app store?
> Do you live in the city?
> 
> Aloha,
> 
> Ellie
> 
> On Sep 25, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Allison Manzino  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Charlie,
>> 
>> I hope you like it, it's a cool little ap. I hope everything is 
>> wonderful in Hawaii. It's red hot here in New York.
>> 
>> Musically,
>> Allison
>> 
>> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 25, 2010, at 11:43 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
>> 
>>> Mahalo Allison, I'll have to check it out
>>> 
>>> Aloha, 
>>> 
>>> Charlie
>>> 
>>> Check out our website www.giantdolphin.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 25, 2010, at 3:44 AM, Allison Manzino  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Aloha Charlie,
 
 THis ap lets you listen to the outside world around you while you are 
 playing music through headphones. I didn't see mark's message about 
 the codes, and just purchased this ap. It works well once you 
 configure the settings. What a great little ap this is. Mark has a 
 podcast on it as well. You can check it out at:
 http://www.candleshoreblog.com
 
 I am a new fan  of  Mark's podcasts and I am really enjoying them. He 
 is a great podcaster. I hope I have helped you. Have a great day.
 
 Cheerily,
 Allison
 My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
 
 
 On Sep 25, 2010, at 12:26 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
 
> Excuse my ignorance, but what does this app do?
> 
> Aloha, 
> 
> Charlie
> 
> Check out our website www.giantdolphin.com 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 24, 2010, at 5:30 PM, "M. Taylor"  wrote:
> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I have received some promotional codes from the developer of 
>> Awareness, The
>> Headphones App, to give out to any blind or low vision person.  This 
>> means
>> that the App will be free for the recipients of the codes.
>> 
>> All that is requested by Essency, the makers of Awareness, is that 
>> you
>> provide feedback to them regarding the accessibility of the App when 
>> used
>> with VoiceOver.  
>> 
>> So, if you'd like a free copy of Awareness, please send me an email,
>> off-list requesting a code; please also include in the body of the 
>> email,

Re: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver

[Jonathan Cohn]

It would be interesting to test the new version of Office with Dragon
Dictate, David Pogue in his review last week of the new Dragon said
that Dragon was unable to track the insertion point within Microsoft
Word.  I assumed this was because of MS using the Darwin  framework
instead of the Cocoa framework.  So give that MS 2010 text can not be
accessed by Voice OVer, what is the chance that Dictate could get its
dragon paws into the text?

Good night,

Jon


On 26/09/2010, gkearney  wrote:
> It is interesting to note that the ribbons were accessible, much of
> the user interface is as well. It is the main content areas that are
> not accessible.
>
> Greg
>
> On Sep 27, 6:16 am, "Dave Taylor"  wrote:
>> I bet that if they tried, they would soon realise that the ribbons would
>> be
>> difficult if not impossible to implement with VO anyway. As it is, their
>> insistence on these awful things is one of my key drivers for making the
>> switch, though there are many others too. Mike, the podcast where you
>> install Snow Leopard is as good a demonstration as anything of how far
>> things have come on the Mac side, I'm afraid it is the opposite story,
>> almost the reverse story, on the windows side!
>>
>> Cheers
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 11:03 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver
>>
>> I don't think he said it was a beta. It is very disappointing indeed,
>> really, Microsoft has no excuse for this one, it's not like they were not
>> aware of accessibility and voice over, they just chose not to do anything
>> with it. Apple has created a built in screen reader and provided the APIs
>> to
>> make programs accessible, Microsoft has definitely shown their interest in
>> this. At least on the mac, there are alternatives that will handle
>> Microsoft
>> Office files, namely iwork and open office.
>> On Sep 26, 2010, at 3:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>
>> > Hello Greg,
>>
>> > Thank you so much for providing this info.
>>
>> > I cannot begin to relay how sad and disappointed I am at the news of
>> > Microsoft's Office 2011 VoiceOver inaccessibility.
>>
>> > Wow!
>>
>> > You know, when I installed the very first beta of Windows 7, it was
>> > completely accessible.  That is to say, as soon as one launched the
>> > installation program for Windows 7, a very clear voice prompt asked if
>> audio
>> > assistance was required.  This came as a total surprise to me, to say
>> > the
>> > least.  I answered in the affirmative and was able to install Windows 7
>> > without any sighted assistance, whatsoever.  I installed that first beta
>> on
>> > three of my computers.  By the way, the voice that was used to guide me
>> > through the setup was not that of Narrator--it was much clearer.
>>
>> > Astonishingly, with the release of the next beta of Windows 7, this
>> feature
>> > was removed.  I was shocked, disappointed, and angry, to say the least.
>> >
>>
>> > It was then that I began considering purchasing a Macintosh.
>>
>> > It's been much too long to recall how I came to learn Microsoft's reason
>> for
>> > removing this feature but they said they removed it for security
>> > concerns;
>> > to which I exclaim, "TommyRot!"  Or, to put it in the vernacular,
>> > "That's a load of crap"
>>
>> > Greg, is it possible that the final release of Office 2011 will be
>> VoiceOver
>> > accessible?  I mean, you reviewed a beta, did you not?  Perhaps I'm just
>> > grasping at straws, eh?  (Smile)
>>
>> > Thanks again for giving us a proverbial "heads-up" on this one.
>>
>> > Most Sincerely,
>>
>> > mark
>> > -
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Kearney
>> > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 1:22 AM
>> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; macvoiceo...@freelists.org; Mary
>> > Beth
>> > Janes; Mike Shebanek
>> > Subject: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver
>>
>> > It is my sad duty to report that after getting a chance to test
>> > Microsoft
>> > Office 2011 for Mac that it is no more accessible in this version than
>> > in
>> > any of the previous versions. As in the past it is impossible to
>> > interact
>> > with any of the content areas of the program. You are not able to
>> > review,
>> > read or edit the text area in Word or Excel.
>>
>> > It should not be clear to all that Microsoft has no intention of ever
>> fixing
>> > these issues. I communicated directly with Microsoft over the same
>> > failing
>> > in Office 2008. The fact that after a complete rewire of the programs
>> > they
>> > remain inaccessible to the built in screen reader of the OS to me speak
>> > volumes about Microsoft's total lack of commitment to accessibility on
>> > the
>> > Macintosh platform and may well speak to Microsoft's g

Re: Get The Awareness App for Free!

[Sarah Alawami]

Ah might be useful for recording voice memmos or for exactly that, monitering.

good luck.
On Sep 26, 2010, at 10:12 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi Sarah,
> 
> Yes you need headphones.  That's kinda the point of the app. :).  It uses the 
> microphone to pick up the noise around you and play it in the headphones 
> while your listening to music or whatever.  Basically, it's like when your 
> recording and you turn monitor on.
> 
> hth
> On Sep 26, 2010, at 10:01 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>  
>> I still don't see how it works. do you put on headphones to use it?
>> 
>> S
>> On Sep 26, 2010, at 5:29 PM, Allison Manzino wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Ellie,
>>> 
>>> We live in Westchester, I have never been to Brooklyn. I used to work in 
>>> the Bronx though for a nursing home. It was great.  Did you find the 
>>> Awareness app? I hope so it is great. I hope you are having a great day. 
>>> Aloha.
>>> 
>>> Musically,
>>> Allison
>>> 
>>> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 25, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
>>> 
 To say hello in Hawaiian you say aloha. I'm born in Brooklyn, raised in 
 Queens and educated in the Bronx. You from the island or Westchester?
 
 Aloha,
 
 Ellie
 
 On Sep 25, 2010, at 1:13 PM, Allison Manzino  wrote:
 
> Hi Charlie,
> 
> I forgot how to say hello in Hawaiian. When you are in the App store, you 
> just search for Awareness. and VO  right arrow to search. YOu can double 
> tap if you are on the Ipod or Iphone. It will say Headphone ap and have a 
> little description. I hope that helps. I love downloading things from the 
> Ap store. It will probably ask you for your password. You enter it, 
> double tap to okay and and it will ask you to agree with the Itunes terms 
> and conditions. I know most of you are probably wondering why I'm 
> mentioning this. For one reason, this is because when it came up on the 
> Iphone, I realized I had to swipe up twice till I came to the third page 
> of the agreement. Then there is an agree button. I say this because I 
> wouldn't wish you the same trouble I had. I hope this helps. Have a great 
> day.
> 
> Oh, I am not in New York City, but half an hour away from it. It's nice 
> to have the City so close.
> 
> Cheerily,
> Allison
>   
> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
> 
> 
> On Sep 25, 2010, at 6:00 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
> 
>> Aloha Allison,
>> I went looking for the app maybe I'm a little lolo (stupid) what do I 
>> look for in the app store?
>> Do you live in the city?
>> 
>> Aloha,
>> 
>> Ellie
>> 
>> On Sep 25, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Allison Manzino  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Charlie,
>>> 
>>> I hope you like it, it's a cool little ap. I hope everything is 
>>> wonderful in Hawaii. It's red hot here in New York.
>>> 
>>> Musically,
>>> Allison
>>> 
>>> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 25, 2010, at 11:43 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
>>> 
 Mahalo Allison, I'll have to check it out
 
 Aloha, 
 
 Charlie
 
 Check out our website www.giantdolphin.com 
 
 
 
 On Sep 25, 2010, at 3:44 AM, Allison Manzino  
 wrote:
 
> Aloha Charlie,
> 
> THis ap lets you listen to the outside world around you while you are 
> playing music through headphones. I didn't see mark's message about 
> the codes, and just purchased this ap. It works well once you 
> configure the settings. What a great little ap this is. Mark has a 
> podcast on it as well. You can check it out at:
> http://www.candleshoreblog.com
> 
> I am a new fan  of  Mark's podcasts and I am really enjoying them. He 
> is a great podcaster. I hope I have helped you. Have a great day.
> 
> Cheerily,
> Allison
> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
> 
> 
> On Sep 25, 2010, at 12:26 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
> 
>> Excuse my ignorance, but what does this app do?
>> 
>> Aloha, 
>> 
>> Charlie
>> 
>> Check out our website www.giantdolphin.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 24, 2010, at 5:30 PM, "M. Taylor"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> I have received some promotional codes from the developer of 
>>> Awareness, The
>>> Headphones App, to give out to any blind or low vision person.  
>>> This means
>>> that the App will be free for the recipients of the codes.
>>> 
>>> All that is requested by Essency, the makers of Awareness, is that 
>>> you
>>>

Re: getting mail to stop saying "Thread."

[Sarah Alawami]

Really? mine just says collapsed. Oddness. I got it to work fine.

S
On Sep 26, 2010, at 10:13 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote:

> I set it to status only, and now it says COllapsed disclosure triangle in the 
> mail window. I even tried eliminating all 3 check boxes, but no go.
> On Sep 26, 2010, at 11:53 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> Try looking int he custom verbosity for discloser triangle. I'm guessing at 
>> the moment.
>> 
>> Take care.
>> 
>> S
>> On Sep 26, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey folks. In mail, I have all my messages grouped by thread. On one of 
>>> these machines, I was able to get vo to stop saying "Thread" every time it 
>>> encounter one in mail. I somehow got it to just say "Collapsed" and 
>>> "Expanded." However, I can't remember how I did it so I can duplicate that 
>>> on the laptop. I already know it's a thread if it says collapsed. Just that 
>>> word alone slows me down when scanning through huge lists of messages. If 
>>> anyone remembers how to do this, I'd really appreciate it. I've looked in 
>>> the custom verbosity dialog, but nothing there regarding threads. Thanks so 
>>> much for any help you could provide.
>>> 
>>> Kevin
>>> 
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