Re: Safari won't let me go to Ebay?
go to http://shop.ebay.com or http://shop.ebay.co.uk to give 2 examples. On 12 Apr 2010, at 07:36, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > Once again, a fix for you guys! > > I'm not going to explain what the fix really is because I'm too tired. Sorry. > You can look here. > http://webkit.org > > Regards, > Nic > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On Apr 12, 2010, at 3:09 AM, Kimberly thurman wrote: > >> VO says problem reporter and then Safari closes before I can see what the >> error is. Crazy! >> On Apr 11, 2010, at 6:22 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> what error are you getting? >>> >>> Take care. >>> >>> On 4/11/2010 3:03 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote: I'm having a puzzling problem folks. I get an error when I try to go to Ebay. This happens whether I type in the URL myself or I use the choice in the bookmarks menu. I'm scratching my head on this one. (Smilie!) >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > william lomas follow me on twitter: billbow_baggins -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iPad help.
What country are you in? Sent from my iPad On Apr 11, 2010, at 8:26 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > Oh my god, you have iPads. Send me one, please? I can't get it before May or > even later than that. BLAH. > > I know that isn't useful, but I just had to. > > Regards, > Nic > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On Apr 12, 2010, at 3:55 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote: > >> Call me stupid, but I am not really sure what your question is and I am at a >> disadvantage as I don't use vo on a regular basis. In iBook if you tap at >> the top of a page I'm told that the entire will be read. The vo will read >> paragraphs one at a time. The iPad is neat but it will take you a little >> time to get acclimated. Will assist in whatever fashion I can. Good luck >> with your new device. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Apr 11, 2010, at 3:08 PM, Jesse Bollinger wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I just got my iPad today. I have been able to move through a row of apps >>> but how do I move to different parts of the screen? I was in iBooks and it >>> kept reading the same section. I couldn't figure out how to interact with >>> another part of the screen. This is long-winded but I'm not sure how else >>> to describe it. So in short, how do I move around the different screen >>> sections? >>> >>> Thanks and I hope I explained well enough, >>> >>> Jesse >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iPad help.
Hi, Well, I was just kidding, but if you're going to send me one, that's fine. :) I live in Denmark. According to Danish Mac forums, we won't have them until at least May, possibly even June. I have a feeling that is why some language keyboards are not supported yet. It's kind of crappy. I've heard so many good things about it, and I wanna see it. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Apr 12, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote: > What country are you in? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 11, 2010, at 8:26 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Oh my god, you have iPads. Send me one, please? I can't get it before May or >> even later than that. BLAH. >> >> I know that isn't useful, but I just had to. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >> AIM: cincinster >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> Facebook Profile >> My Twitter >> >> On Apr 12, 2010, at 3:55 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote: >> >>> Call me stupid, but I am not really sure what your question is and I am at >>> a disadvantage as I don't use vo on a regular basis. In iBook if you tap at >>> the top of a page I'm told that the entire will be read. The vo will read >>> paragraphs one at a time. The iPad is neat but it will take you a little >>> time to get acclimated. Will assist in whatever fashion I can. Good luck >>> with your new device. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Apr 11, 2010, at 3:08 PM, Jesse Bollinger wrote: >>> Hi all, I just got my iPad today. I have been able to move through a row of apps but how do I move to different parts of the screen? I was in iBooks and it kept reading the same section. I couldn't figure out how to interact with another part of the screen. This is long-winded but I'm not sure how else to describe it. So in short, how do I move around the different screen sections? Thanks and I hope I explained well enough, Jesse -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iPad help.
I wish, but if you can pay Sent from my iPad On Apr 11, 2010, at 9:42 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > Well, I was just kidding, but if you're going to send me one, that's fine. :) > > I live in Denmark. According to Danish Mac forums, we won't have them until > at least May, possibly even June. I have a feeling that is why some language > keyboards are not supported yet. It's kind of crappy. I've heard so many good > things about it, and I wanna see it. > > Regards, > Nic > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On Apr 12, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote: > >> What country are you in? >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Apr 11, 2010, at 8:26 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Oh my god, you have iPads. Send me one, please? I can't get it before May >>> or even later than that. BLAH. >>> >>> I know that isn't useful, but I just had to. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> Skype: Kvalme >>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>> AIM: cincinster >>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>> Facebook Profile >>> My Twitter >>> >>> On Apr 12, 2010, at 3:55 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote: >>> Call me stupid, but I am not really sure what your question is and I am at a disadvantage as I don't use vo on a regular basis. In iBook if you tap at the top of a page I'm told that the entire will be read. The vo will read paragraphs one at a time. The iPad is neat but it will take you a little time to get acclimated. Will assist in whatever fashion I can. Good luck with your new device. Sent from my iPad On Apr 11, 2010, at 3:08 PM, Jesse Bollinger wrote: > Hi all, > > I just got my iPad today. I have been able to move through a row of apps > but how do I move to different parts of the screen? I was in iBooks and > it kept reading the same section. I couldn't figure out how to interact > with another part of the screen. This is long-winded but I'm not sure how > else to describe it. So in short, how do I move around the different > screen sections? > > Thanks and I hope I explained well enough, > > Jesse > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iPad help.
Hi, I can, actually. You cannot believe the wave of sadness that hit me when I found we weren't getting it yet. I even checked off the date in iCal. Celebrating with style became more of a desperate cry for help. And I'm overdramatizing. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Apr 12, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote: > I wish, but if you can pay > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 11, 2010, at 9:42 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Well, I was just kidding, but if you're going to send me one, that's fine. :) >> >> I live in Denmark. According to Danish Mac forums, we won't have them until >> at least May, possibly even June. I have a feeling that is why some language >> keyboards are not supported yet. It's kind of crappy. I've heard so many >> good things about it, and I wanna see it. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >> AIM: cincinster >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> Facebook Profile >> My Twitter >> >> On Apr 12, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote: >> >>> What country are you in? >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Apr 11, 2010, at 8:26 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>> Hi, Oh my god, you have iPads. Send me one, please? I can't get it before May or even later than that. BLAH. I know that isn't useful, but I just had to. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Apr 12, 2010, at 3:55 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote: > Call me stupid, but I am not really sure what your question is and I am > at a disadvantage as I don't use vo on a regular basis. In iBook if you > tap at the top of a page I'm told that the entire will be read. The vo > will read paragraphs one at a time. The iPad is neat but it will take you > a little time to get acclimated. Will assist in whatever fashion I can. > Good luck with your new device. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 11, 2010, at 3:08 PM, Jesse Bollinger wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I just got my iPad today. I have been able to move through a row of apps >> but how do I move to different parts of the screen? I was in iBooks and >> it kept reading the same section. I couldn't figure out how to interact >> with another part of the screen. This is long-winded but I'm not sure >> how else to describe it. So in short, how do I move around the different >> screen sections? >> >> Thanks and I hope I explained well enough, >> >> Jesse >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.
using automater to export message to rtfd
Hello all. 'm tring to use automater to export messages to rtfd but the automater is so slow that voice over says busy every tiem I try and do something. is ther an easier way I can do this. I have to eport bout 400 messages this way. Thanks. Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com msn: chell...@hotmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org twitter: http://twitter.com/marrie1 podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com/feeds -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
scan using image capture
hi all for those using OCR like finereader, you don't need vuscan. Just use image capture in applications and send the resulting file to the OCR program then after a scan it will autoopen the file and you can convert to text from there. It works great with my canon so install scangear if you have this type of scanner for example but the rest is seamless. william lomas follow me on twitter: billbow_baggins -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Safari won't let me go to Ebay?
to get around this please try going to signin.ebay.com there you can click on the link that says sight map and you will be on the normal search ebay page thanks hope this helps all On Apr 11, 2010, at 6:03 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote: > I'm having a puzzling problem folks. I get an error when I try to go to > Ebay. This happens whether I type in the URL myself or I use the choice in > the bookmarks menu. I'm scratching my head on this one. (Smilie!) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Safari won't let me go to Ebay?
Hi, Instead of remembering tons of URLs, why not just use Webkit? Webkit has fixed this issue a long time ago, including a lot of other ones that crashes the regular SAfari. Webkit is essentially the same, except the framework Safari uses is more up-to-date than the one Apple currently has in the present Safari version. In fact, you won't even notice it is Webkit, except it will occasionally run smoother. It looks just like Safari, because it is. The only thing you will notice is an update reminder when a new nightly build for Webkit is available, fixing more bugs. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Apr 12, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Justin Thornton wrote: > to get around this please try going to signin.ebay.com > there you can click on the link that says sight map and you will be on the > normal search ebay page > thanks hope this helps all > On Apr 11, 2010, at 6:03 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote: > >> I'm having a puzzling problem folks. I get an error when I try to go to >> Ebay. This happens whether I type in the URL myself or I use the choice in >> the bookmarks menu. I'm scratching my head on this one. (Smilie!) >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: scan using image capture
Hi Will, Glad your scanner is now working. Image Capture will not work with all scanners though. TC James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny On 12 Apr 2010, at 09:23, william lomas wrote: > hi all for those using OCR like finereader, you don't need > vuscan. Just use image capture in applications and send the resulting file to > the OCR program then after a scan it will autoopen the file and you can > convert to text from there. > It works great with my canon so install scangear if you have this type of > scanner for example but the rest is seamless. > > william lomas > follow me on twitter: > billbow_baggins > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Colored labels for folders?
Hello, I was just looking at some of my folders on my mac with Get Info (command I_, and there is something about selecting labels for the folder. There are 7 labels or so that are designated by color. Could someone please explain to me what these colored labels mean? Or, what do they do? tia -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: multi select list boxes in safari
Hi Nick, I actually came across it when I was using the back-end to a drupal site I'm setting up. Basically I'd set up a taxonomy to categorise content, and rather than use free-tagging I used a list of 4 elements from which the user could select any/all. I've also seen something like this on a site .myhome.ie but it was a while ago so I'm not sure if they're using it at the moment. Dónal -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen Sent: 12 April 2010 07:30 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: multi select list boxes in safari Hi, I'd like to see one of these with VoiceOver. If you have a site containing such, please point out where it is so I can take a look. I never encounter them. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Apr 12, 2010, at 5:07 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > I've never come across them. how would one interact with them to select non contiguous items. > > Take care. > On Apr 11, 2010, at 2:32 PM, Donal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I've come across a webpage which has raised an interesting issue for me. Is there a way to use multi-select list boxes using VO and Safari? >> >> For those who haven't come across these, they are a form of UI element in which the user can select either a contiguous group of elements or indeed a non-continuous series. An example might be in a web site in which you wished to look at apartments to rent, using one of these UI elements you could select the areas you wished to look in. >> >> I haven't encountered one of these form controls very much but seeing it used has made me wonder how VO users have found them. >> >> Cheers >> >> Dónal >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: multi select list boxes in safari
Hi Sarah, Exactly the question I am trying to figure out. I know how to do this on Windows, but alas not using VO. Dónal -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami Sent: 12 April 2010 04:07 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: multi select list boxes in safari I've never come across them. how would one interact with them to select non contiguous items. Take care. On Apr 11, 2010, at 2:32 PM, Donal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Hi all, > > I've come across a webpage which has raised an interesting issue for me. Is there a way to use multi-select list boxes using VO and Safari? > > For those who haven't come across these, they are a form of UI element in which the user can select either a contiguous group of elements or indeed a non-continuous series. An example might be in a web site in which you wished to look at apartments to rent, using one of these UI elements you could select the areas you wished to look in. > > I haven't encountered one of these form controls very much but seeing it used has made me wonder how VO users have found them. > > Cheers > > Dónal > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Colored labels for folders?
Hi Ricardo, This is a way to mark your folders with a color. Currently, this is only something sighted people can benefit from. When I was sighted myself, I color labeled folders in genres, just like you define your music in iTunes in genres. Some people classifies their folders by priority, by putting a red label to the most important ones, yellow to middle important and green to normal folders. Other people use other colors for other categories. VoiceOver users could use this info if there was an option to have the color of a folder included in the description heard when it is selected, for example "Country lyrics, selected red folder", instead of "Country lyrics, selected folder". HOpe this clarifies, John André On 12. apr. 2010, at 14.25, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Hello, > > I was just looking at some of my folders on my mac with Get Info (command I_, > and there is something about selecting labels for the folder. There are 7 > labels or so that are designated by color. Could someone please explain to > me what these colored labels mean? Or, what do they do? > > tia > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: multi select list boxes in safari
Hi, This is very interesting. I created my own multi-select listbox, and got some funny results. I opened it in Safari, and located it on my page. VoiceOver proceeded to read all the options in the box without pausing, and did not seem to register it as a listbox at all, but rather as a text element. I then hit down arrow, and it would say the item name, then "clickable selected". They seem to work, but you don't know when they are listboxes or not. Also, yes, you can select more than one by using regular selection keys. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Apr 12, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Hi Nick, > > I actually came across it when I was using the back-end to a drupal site I'm > setting up. Basically I'd set up a taxonomy to categorise content, and > rather than use free-tagging I used a list of 4 elements from which the user > could select any/all. > > I've also seen something like this on a site .myhome.ie but it was a > while ago so I'm not sure if they're using it at the moment. > > Dónal > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen > Sent: 12 April 2010 07:30 > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: multi select list boxes in safari > > Hi, > > I'd like to see one of these with VoiceOver. If you have a site containing > such, please point out where it is so I can take a look. I never encounter > them. > > Regards, > Nic > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On Apr 12, 2010, at 5:07 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> I've never come across them. how would one interact with them to select > non contiguous items. >> >> Take care. >> On Apr 11, 2010, at 2:32 PM, Donal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I've come across a webpage which has raised an interesting issue for me. > Is there a way to use multi-select list boxes using VO and Safari? >>> >>> For those who haven't come across these, they are a form of UI element in > which the user can select either a contiguous group of elements or indeed a > non-continuous series. An example might be in a web site in which you > wished to look at apartments to rent, using one of these UI elements you > could select the areas you wished to look in. >>> >>> I haven't encountered one of these form controls very much but seeing it > used has made me wonder how VO users have found them. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Dónal >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: multi select list boxes in safari
Exactly the behaviour I encountered. Thanks for testing it Nick I thought I was doing something daft. It's a very useful UI element to have on a page (sometimes and carefully used ) -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen Sent: 12 April 2010 14:02 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: multi select list boxes in safari Hi, This is very interesting. I created my own multi-select listbox, and got some funny results. I opened it in Safari, and located it on my page. VoiceOver proceeded to read all the options in the box without pausing, and did not seem to register it as a listbox at all, but rather as a text element. I then hit down arrow, and it would say the item name, then "clickable selected". They seem to work, but you don't know when they are listboxes or not. Also, yes, you can select more than one by using regular selection keys. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Apr 12, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Hi Nick, > > I actually came across it when I was using the back-end to a drupal > site I'm setting up. Basically I'd set up a taxonomy to categorise > content, and rather than use free-tagging I used a list of 4 elements > from which the user could select any/all. > > I've also seen something like this on a site .myhome.ie but it > was a while ago so I'm not sure if they're using it at the moment. > > Dónal > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen > Sent: 12 April 2010 07:30 > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: multi select list boxes in safari > > Hi, > > I'd like to see one of these with VoiceOver. If you have a site > containing such, please point out where it is so I can take a look. I > never encounter them. > > Regards, > Nic > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On Apr 12, 2010, at 5:07 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> I've never come across them. how would one interact with them to >> select > non contiguous items. >> >> Take care. >> On Apr 11, 2010, at 2:32 PM, Donal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I've come across a webpage which has raised an interesting issue for me. > Is there a way to use multi-select list boxes using VO and Safari? >>> >>> For those who haven't come across these, they are a form of UI >>> element in > which the user can select either a contiguous group of elements or > indeed a non-continuous series. An example might be in a web site in > which you wished to look at apartments to rent, using one of these UI > elements you could select the areas you wished to look in. >>> >>> I haven't encountered one of these form controls very much but >>> seeing it > used has made me wonder how VO users have found them. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Dónal >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. --
Re: Colored labels for folders?
Ah, Thank you for this On Apr 12, 2010, at 8:50 AM, John André Netland wrote: > Hi Ricardo, > > This is a way to mark your folders with a color. Currently, this is only > something sighted people can benefit from. When I was sighted myself, I color > labeled folders in genres, just like you define your music in iTunes in > genres. Some people classifies their folders by priority, by putting a red > label to the most important ones, yellow to middle important and green to > normal folders. Other people use other colors for other categories. > > VoiceOver users could use this info if there was an option to have the color > of a folder included in the description heard when it is selected, for > example "Country lyrics, selected red folder", instead of "Country lyrics, > selected folder". > > HOpe this clarifies, > John André > > > On 12. apr. 2010, at 14.25, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I was just looking at some of my folders on my mac with Get Info (command >> I_, and there is something about selecting labels for the folder. There are >> 7 labels or so that are designated by color. Could someone please explain >> to me what these colored labels mean? Or, what do they do? >> >> tia >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: multi select list boxes in safari
I haven't encountered one of these lately, and can't think where I might have before at this point. However, could the selection toggle in VO (command-option-control-space) be helpful at all? Teresa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
iPad Games question.
Hi everyone, This is a much simpler question than the last one I promise Lol. I was looking at the accessible apps on the Maccessibility site and found a few that puzzle me. The games Kingdoms Live, Racing Live, and Zombie Live sound like they'd be extremely visual to me but are listed on the site. Just wondering if it is because the screen can be enlarged for low vision or do these games indeed work with VO? Thanks, Jesse -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iPad Games question.
Hi, Yes, these games work fine. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Apr 12, 2010, at 5:00 PM, Jesse Bollinger wrote: > Hi everyone, > > This is a much simpler question than the last one I promise Lol. I was > looking at the accessible apps on the Maccessibility site and found a few > that puzzle me. The games Kingdoms Live, Racing Live, and Zombie Live sound > like they'd be extremely visual to me but are listed on the site. Just > wondering if it is because the screen can be enlarged for low vision or do > these games indeed work with VO? > > Thanks, > > Jesse > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: multi select list boxes in safari
Hi, Well, given the way they actually work, I'd imagine it can be. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Apr 12, 2010, at 3:41 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > I haven't encountered one of these lately, and can't think where I > might have before at this point. > > However, could the selection toggle in VO (command-option-control-space) be > helpful at all? > > Teresa > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: NLS DTB players, usb flash drives, formating on a mac, cartrage errors Help?
Jessica, What physical size flash card can go into the player. I mean does it accept an SD card, a Micro SD card, or a Compact Flash card? Mark Get to know yourself as you get to know me on The Secret Life of Mark Marcus Live Talk Show http://candleshore.com/secrets -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jessica and Trish the Golden Dog Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 4:04 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: NLS DTB players, usb flash drives, formating on a mac, cartrage errors Help? Well as some people said the library people said no more than 4 gigs. I think you can do more than that. But I would not go up to 8 gigs of content. Besides who wants to arrow left and right through a hundred plus books? To bring up the book list you press and hold down the play key till it says bookshelf. then depending on the player I don't know what you do with the standard. with the advanced you hit the previous or next buttons till you get the book you want and then hit play. I usually have to hit play twice for some reason. Maybe because I don't wait till it has finished reading the title. Hope this helps answer the questions some of you were asking. Jessica -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: IPhone 4, and IAds
Jess, I think that the ads API will actually be a good thing. Charlie has a point, even if he delivers it tactlessly. The time that is needed to make anything but the most basic apps requires money. The people that make the app either get the money back through selling you the app, giving you the app for free while charging you a small monthly service fee, or else get that money from advertisers. Particularly when making an app is complicated, but not many people will be expected to buy it because it is something that they only casually use, the only real way to support the programming labor is with ads. So, I think that lots of developers want to use ads in their apps. You know that that could get messy. Ads could become to intrusive, and they would certainly look different in every app. The ways that developers try to display them might conflict with VoiceOver. Until now, though, Apple hasn't really had any strong guidelines about what is acceptable for ads. I believe that, with this new ads mechanism, since Apple now is offering a standard way for an app to display ads, the ads portion of an application will be expected to use the standard adds mechanism. A developer's app will usually be rejected by the App Store if their app tries to re-implement some existing feature of the iPhone/iPad. This is so developers won't go changing the way that the interface looks, or trying to substitute areas of the OS that people already expect to work a certain way. So, they'll probably make all ads go through the new mechanism. Since there will only be one official way of displaying ads, I expect that this will cut down on many of the normal performance and security problems that people run in to with ads. It also would mean that they'd almost always be displayed in the same way, and they'll probably be accessible/readable with VO/not conflict with VO. I think that location services are part of this, also, so the ads can suggest services that are actually local to you. I actually don't mind ads, if they're useful. If they're advertising something nearby, or that is relevant to me and my likes, then they might tell me about something that I would actually use. Without the targeting information, they're just as likely to try to sell me home refinancing and Viagra. Now, that's annoying. lol. I think that, by forcing everyone to go through a standard service, Apple can make the ads better. They wouldn't need to mess up your device, they wouldn't need to frustrate you, and they could actually be useful information for you. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jess Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 5:31 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone 4, and IAds Neil, thanks for coming to my defense. Appreciate it, buddy. I did not appreciate being told to grow up on list, just for voicing my opinion, and it's rather nice to know that my opinion has somevalidity and that I'm not totally off the wall for not wanting ads. On Apr 11, 2010, at 4:17 AM, Neil James wrote: > Why all the hostility on your part? Telling some one else on list that they > have to grow up just because they expressed their opinion shows a lack of > maturity on your behalf as well. > > Neil > > > - Original Message - From: "Charlie Doremus" > > To: > Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 4:50 PM > Subject: Re: IPhone 4, and IAds > > > I guess you can't handle the truth. If you don' want ads I suggest you just > disconnect your computer and donate it. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 9, 2010, at 1:21 PM, Jess wrote: > >> Charlie wrote: >> "The next thing I expect to hear from you is "there's a communist under your >> bed" grow up! Facebook and twitter are littered with ads now." >> Apparently you haven't used apps like Syrinx or Twittero, they don't give >> you any ads from Twitter or facebook. I realize that ads aren't going away, >> but if I don't want to see an ad, I shouldn't have to be forced to look at >> it. And by the way, leave the communist crap out of it. >> Jes >> On Apr 9, 2010, at 4:29 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote: >> >>> The next thing I expect to hear from you is "there's a communist under your >>> bed" grow up! Facebook and twitter are littered with ads now. Developer >>> need an income stream do you want free apps to vanish. Get real. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Apr 9, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Jess wrote: >>> Hi folks, I am disappointed with the introduction of IAds in IPhone 4.0. If I'm browsing the web or looking at facebook and v o starts reading an ad, I would be annoyed. Also, can we just say, ad ware for the IPhone? As in spyware? Jes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. T
Infovox voices licensing/copy protection?
Hi. I've thought about purchasing these voices, but I haven't been able to discover any details about how their licensing/protection works. I looked around the site, at their FAQ, and tried e-mailing their support a while back, but nothing. There are so many forms of copy protection, and I can deal with some, but extremely dislike others. I know that there are people on this list that use them, so would someone mind replying and briefly telling me what to expect? Do they give you a code that matches up with a single computer, so you can re-install on that machine as many times as needed? Do you need to check out and check in machine keys/authorizations/activations on their web site somehow? Do you need to activate online, and call/write/beg for additional activations if you re-install (AKA Windows, Jaws, etc)? Do they give you a code that allows multiple installs on any Macs that you have? Do they mail you a dongle? Any info would be appreciated. If I purchase them, and then discover that the protection doesn't suit, I'll probably not be able to get a refund, so I'd rather know in advance. Thanks Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: multi select list boxes in safari
Hi all. The multiselectboxes works in the following way: Turn off the cursor tracking by pressing VO shift f3, and then you can read the choices without selecting them. If you don't stop cursor tracking, you'll select each item as you read it. To select an item in the listbox, you simply press VO command spacebar, and VO will say "selected." You can then read what items you have selected by moving the Vo cursor up and down. Don't turn the cursor tracking on until you've pressed the "continue" or what ever button which will accept your choice in the listbox. I only have access to a multiselectlistbox in a mailinglist management system where you need to log in, so I can't give you a link so you can check it out. I really love the way VOiceover work which is the reason for multiselectlistboxes works out of the box. I've seen many Windows screenreaders having issues with these... Best regards Søren Jensen Mail & MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ Den Apr 11, 2010 kl. 11:32 PM skrev Donal Fitzpatrick: > Hi all, > > I've come across a webpage which has raised an interesting issue for me. Is > there a way to use multi-select list boxes using VO and Safari? > > For those who haven't come across these, they are a form of UI element in > which the user can select either a contiguous group of elements or indeed a > non-continuous series. An example might be in a web site in which you wished > to look at apartments to rent, using one of these UI elements you could > select the areas you wished to look in. > > I haven't encountered one of these form controls very much but seeing it used > has made me wonder how VO users have found them. > > Cheers > > Dónal > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: To all software developers, anyone know of a good development software for the Mac?
Hi. Jess is probably looking for something simple to use for learning programming concepts. For that, even Python would do. Python is built-in on the Mac. You can write Python scripts in TextEdit, and run them in the terminal. I wanted to let you, and others, know, though, that developing full desktop applications with XCode is accessible. The XCode development environment works extremely well with VoiceOver, even the parts that are usually a pain in other environments (like the debugger). Interface Builder, the tool that helps you to create the user interfaces of your program through a easy to use visual designer, isn't accessible. However, you can use my RenaissanceX system/dev kit to create user interfaces by describing what you want in a simple markup file that looks a lot like HTML. RenaissanceX will examine your descriptions of the types of controls that you need, and how they are related, and will automatically create a window with those controls arranged per Apple's User Interface Guidelines. More info is available at: http://www.bryansmart.com/renaissancex This is a work in progress, but it works, right now. It supports nearly all Cocoa user interface objects, and it works great with VoiceOver. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Philippe Brun Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 4:18 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: To all software developers, anyone know of a good development software for the Mac? Hello Jess, I think xCode with InterfaceBuilder is not accessible with VO. If you want to learn programming without graphical interface, you can use a lot of langages. The applications will run in the terminal. If you want to learn simple langage with graphical interface, you can learn AppleScript. You will find a lot of doc on the web. Good luck Philippe Le 11 avr. 2010 à 10:00, Jess a écrit : > I'm going to take an introduction to computer programming and logic this > summer, and the instructor knows I am blind and that I use voice over on the > Mac. HE also is a MAc user, and he will be teaching the class this summer. He > told me that the class would be using Alice, but I've looked at that program > and it doesn't appear to be all that useful. So, does anyone know of any > intro level software development programs that can help me get started to > learn to program that works with v o? > Thanks. > Jes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: multi select list boxes in safari
Hi, Good workaround. I still think they should be identified correctly, however, and not to be picky, but it shouldn't be necessary to have to do workarounds. Once they are properly identified, I'm sure it won't be necessary either. Thanks, though. :) Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Apr 12, 2010, at 6:32 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: > Hi all. > > The multiselectboxes works in the following way: > Turn off the cursor tracking by pressing VO shift f3, and then you can read > the choices without selecting them. If you don't stop cursor tracking, you'll > select each item as you read it. To select an item in the listbox, you simply > press VO command spacebar, and VO will say "selected." You can then read what > items you have selected by moving the Vo cursor up and down. Don't turn the > cursor tracking on until you've pressed the "continue" or what ever button > which will accept your choice in the listbox. > I only have access to a multiselectlistbox in a mailinglist management system > where you need to log in, so I can't give you a link so you can check it out. > I really love the way VOiceover work which is the reason for > multiselectlistboxes works out of the box. I've seen many Windows > screenreaders having issues with these... > Best regards > Søren Jensen > Mail & MSN: > s...@coolfortheblind.dk > Website: > http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ > > Den Apr 11, 2010 kl. 11:32 PM skrev Donal Fitzpatrick: > >> Hi all, >> >> I've come across a webpage which has raised an interesting issue for me. Is >> there a way to use multi-select list boxes using VO and Safari? >> >> For those who haven't come across these, they are a form of UI element in >> which the user can select either a contiguous group of elements or indeed a >> non-continuous series. An example might be in a web site in which you >> wished to look at apartments to rent, using one of these UI elements you >> could select the areas you wished to look in. >> >> I haven't encountered one of these form controls very much but seeing it >> used has made me wonder how VO users have found them. >> >> Cheers >> >> Dónal >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: To all software developers, anyone know of a good development software for the Mac?
Hi, This is very, very nice. Yes, I like X-code myself, but found Interface Builder on the inaccessible side. THanks for pointing me to that other developer kit. :) Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Apr 12, 2010, at 6:33 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: > Hi. > > Jess is probably looking for something simple to use for learning programming > concepts. For that, even Python would do. Python is built-in on the Mac. You > can write Python scripts in TextEdit, and run them in the terminal. > > I wanted to let you, and others, know, though, that developing full desktop > applications with XCode is accessible. The XCode development environment > works extremely well with VoiceOver, even the parts that are usually a pain > in other environments (like the debugger). > > Interface Builder, the tool that helps you to create the user interfaces of > your program through a easy to use visual designer, isn't accessible. > However, you can use my RenaissanceX system/dev kit to create user interfaces > by describing what you want in a simple markup file that looks a lot like > HTML. RenaissanceX will examine your descriptions of the types of controls > that you need, and how they are related, and will automatically create a > window with those controls arranged per Apple's User Interface Guidelines. > > More info is available at: > > http://www.bryansmart.com/renaissancex > > This is a work in progress, but it works, right now. It supports nearly all > Cocoa user interface objects, and it works great with VoiceOver. > > Bryan > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Philippe Brun > Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 4:18 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: To all software developers, anyone know of a good development > software for the Mac? > > Hello Jess, > I think xCode with InterfaceBuilder is not accessible with VO. If you want to > learn programming without graphical interface, you can use a lot of langages. > The applications will run in the terminal. If you want to learn simple > langage with graphical interface, you can learn AppleScript. You will find a > lot of doc on the web. > Good luck > Philippe > > Le 11 avr. 2010 à 10:00, Jess a écrit : > >> I'm going to take an introduction to computer programming and logic this >> summer, and the instructor knows I am blind and that I use voice over on the >> Mac. HE also is a MAc user, and he will be teaching the class this summer. >> He told me that the class would be using Alice, but I've looked at that >> program and it doesn't appear to be all that useful. So, does anyone know of >> any intro level software development programs that can help me get started >> to learn to program that works with v o? >> Thanks. >> Jes >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Infovox voices licensing/copy protection?
Hello Bryan, On Apr 12, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: > I've been using Infovox iVox voices for around 4 years now. > > Do they give you a code that matches up with a single computer, so you can > re-install on that machine as many times as needed? > The code is tied to your name and e-mail address, so you can install them on all your computers. > Do you need to check out and check in machine keys/authorizations/activations > on their web site somehow? > No. You put your license key in on your computer, then do a Restart and everything's fine. However, when you change computers, you have to reinstall the voices, they don't cary across like so many other applications. > Do they give you a code that allows multiple installs on any Macs that you > have? > Yes, see above. > Do they mail you a dongle? > No. > Any info would be appreciated. If I purchase them, and then discover that the > protection doesn't suit, I'll probably not be able to get a refund, so I'd > rather know in advance. > I don't know about that. The quality is excellent, and as someone who needs another language, Infovox iVox is the only show in town. I can't talk about the quality of the American voices, but the British, French and Québecoise voices are very good. For an extra 10 Euros or however many dollars, you can also get GhostReader which is a handy little app. It's basically a reader that can also create audio files. Cheers, Anne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iTunes server and iPod touch
Hi, You can not add content to your iPod from a network based iTunes server such as those used on NAS appliances, iTunes will only support adding content from your local library. The way I have resolved this on my own network is to just store the content on a central server, but have the library location pointing to my local hard drive. If you have multiple computers on your network you can use an app such as TuneRanger to keep your libraries in sync, so when you add new content to your file server and import it in to the local library, the library additions are replicated to other computers on the network. I hope this helps. Cheers, Mitch - Original Message - From: "Chris G" To: Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 9:37 AM Subject: iTunes server and iPod touch Hi, I have a netgear nas with 3TB in it. The nas has the ability to be used as an iTunes server. All of my media is on the nas. When I go into iTunes on the Mac I can see the iTunes server and play the files on the server. Now heres the 64000 dollar question. Can I synk the media from the iTunes server with the iPod touch and if so how? Thanks Chris -- Chris G -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: To all software developers, anyone know of a good development software for the Mac?
Hi Bryan, I'll have to check this out, I was wondering how others had worked around the interface builder issue. Cheers, Mitch - Original Message - From: "Bryan Smart" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 2:33 AM Subject: RE: To all software developers, anyone know of a good development software for the Mac? Hi. Jess is probably looking for something simple to use for learning programming concepts. For that, even Python would do. Python is built-in on the Mac. You can write Python scripts in TextEdit, and run them in the terminal. I wanted to let you, and others, know, though, that developing full desktop applications with XCode is accessible. The XCode development environment works extremely well with VoiceOver, even the parts that are usually a pain in other environments (like the debugger). Interface Builder, the tool that helps you to create the user interfaces of your program through a easy to use visual designer, isn't accessible. However, you can use my RenaissanceX system/dev kit to create user interfaces by describing what you want in a simple markup file that looks a lot like HTML. RenaissanceX will examine your descriptions of the types of controls that you need, and how they are related, and will automatically create a window with those controls arranged per Apple's User Interface Guidelines. More info is available at: http://www.bryansmart.com/renaissancex This is a work in progress, but it works, right now. It supports nearly all Cocoa user interface objects, and it works great with VoiceOver. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Philippe Brun Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 4:18 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: To all software developers, anyone know of a good development software for the Mac? Hello Jess, I think xCode with InterfaceBuilder is not accessible with VO. If you want to learn programming without graphical interface, you can use a lot of langages. The applications will run in the terminal. If you want to learn simple langage with graphical interface, you can learn AppleScript. You will find a lot of doc on the web. Good luck Philippe Le 11 avr. 2010 à 10:00, Jess a écrit : I'm going to take an introduction to computer programming and logic this summer, and the instructor knows I am blind and that I use voice over on the Mac. HE also is a MAc user, and he will be teaching the class this summer. He told me that the class would be using Alice, but I've looked at that program and it doesn't appear to be all that useful. So, does anyone know of any intro level software development programs that can help me get started to learn to program that works with v o? Thanks. Jes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Safari won't let me go to Ebay?
I've never heard of webkit. Does it integrate with safari? On Apr 11, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote: > It works. Thanks! > On Apr 11, 2010, at 9:58 PM, care Dehard wrote: > >> just for giggles try this, someone on the list passed it along to me a while >> back, and I forgot. When going to ebay try going to the following link >> http://hub.ebay.com >> >> Let us know if that works for you as well as it did for me. >> On 2010-04-11, at 9:14 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote: >> >>> Yes, I have done this. I've had this Macbook Pro for a few months now and >>> this is the first time I have tried to go to Ebay. >>> On Apr 11, 2010, at 7:07 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>> That's an odd fix. have you contacted apple through the safary page and submitted a bug through the bug reporter from with in safary? Take care. On 4/11/2010 4:03 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote: > Very strange. I wonder what is up with that? > On Apr 11, 2010, at 6:06 PM, Cody wrote: > > >> Yes, I've had the same issue as well. >> >> the fix is to do a google search for an ebay page and go to it that way >> justnot the home page. >> - Original Message - From: "Kimberly >> thurman" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 6:03 PM >> Subject: Safari won't let me go to Ebay? >> >> >> >>> I'm having a puzzling problem folks. I get an error when I try to go >>> to Ebay. This happens whether I type in the URL myself or I use the >>> choice in the bookmarks menu. I'm scratching my head on this one. >>> (Smilie!) >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
vlc playlist?
hello can some one tell me how to add music to vlc playlist and basicly use the playlist features of vlc? thanks Hank -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: multi select list boxes in safari
How do you select non conditus items though with vo. I only know how to select contigus items. On Apr 12, 2010, at 6:01 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > This is very interesting. > > I created my own multi-select listbox, and got some funny results. > > I opened it in Safari, and located it on my page. VoiceOver proceeded to read > all the options in the box without pausing, and did not seem to register it > as a listbox at all, but rather as a text element. I then hit down arrow, and > it would say the item name, then "clickable selected". > > They seem to work, but you don't know when they are listboxes or not. Also, > yes, you can select more than one by using regular selection keys. > > Regards, > Nic > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On Apr 12, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Hi Nick, >> >> I actually came across it when I was using the back-end to a drupal site I'm >> setting up. Basically I'd set up a taxonomy to categorise content, and >> rather than use free-tagging I used a list of 4 elements from which the user >> could select any/all. >> >> I've also seen something like this on a site .myhome.ie but it was a >> while ago so I'm not sure if they're using it at the moment. >> >> Dónal >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen >> Sent: 12 April 2010 07:30 >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: multi select list boxes in safari >> >> Hi, >> >> I'd like to see one of these with VoiceOver. If you have a site containing >> such, please point out where it is so I can take a look. I never encounter >> them. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >> AIM: cincinster >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> Facebook Profile >> My Twitter >> >> On Apr 12, 2010, at 5:07 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> I've never come across them. how would one interact with them to select >> non contiguous items. >>> >>> Take care. >>> On Apr 11, 2010, at 2:32 PM, Donal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>> Hi all, I've come across a webpage which has raised an interesting issue for me. >> Is there a way to use multi-select list boxes using VO and Safari? For those who haven't come across these, they are a form of UI element in >> which the user can select either a contiguous group of elements or indeed a >> non-continuous series. An example might be in a web site in which you >> wished to look at apartments to rent, using one of these UI elements you >> could select the areas you wished to look in. I haven't encountered one of these form controls very much but seeing it >> used has made me wonder how VO users have found them. Cheers Dónal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send
Re: multi select list boxes in safari
Ah thanks. I'll keep this in mind. On Apr 12, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Søren Jensen wrote: > Hi all. > > The multiselectboxes works in the following way: > Turn off the cursor tracking by pressing VO shift f3, and then you can read > the choices without selecting them. If you don't stop cursor tracking, you'll > select each item as you read it. To select an item in the listbox, you simply > press VO command spacebar, and VO will say "selected." You can then read what > items you have selected by moving the Vo cursor up and down. Don't turn the > cursor tracking on until you've pressed the "continue" or what ever button > which will accept your choice in the listbox. > I only have access to a multiselectlistbox in a mailinglist management system > where you need to log in, so I can't give you a link so you can check it out. > I really love the way VOiceover work which is the reason for > multiselectlistboxes works out of the box. I've seen many Windows > screenreaders having issues with these... > Best regards > Søren Jensen > Mail & MSN: > s...@coolfortheblind.dk > Website: > http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ > > Den Apr 11, 2010 kl. 11:32 PM skrev Donal Fitzpatrick: > >> Hi all, >> >> I've come across a webpage which has raised an interesting issue for me. Is >> there a way to use multi-select list boxes using VO and Safari? >> >> For those who haven't come across these, they are a form of UI element in >> which the user can select either a contiguous group of elements or indeed a >> non-continuous series. An example might be in a web site in which you >> wished to look at apartments to rent, using one of these UI elements you >> could select the areas you wished to look in. >> >> I haven't encountered one of these form controls very much but seeing it >> used has made me wonder how VO users have found them. >> >> Cheers >> >> Dónal >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: multi select list boxes in safari
Has someone emailed apple accessibility about this? I would but I have not come across one fo these in years. Take care. On Apr 12, 2010, at 9:39 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > Good workaround. I still think they should be identified correctly, however, > and not to be picky, but it shouldn't be necessary to have to do workarounds. > Once they are properly identified, I'm sure it won't be necessary either. > Thanks, though. :) > > Regards, > Nic > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On Apr 12, 2010, at 6:32 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: > >> Hi all. >> >> The multiselectboxes works in the following way: >> Turn off the cursor tracking by pressing VO shift f3, and then you can read >> the choices without selecting them. If you don't stop cursor tracking, >> you'll select each item as you read it. To select an item in the listbox, >> you simply press VO command spacebar, and VO will say "selected." You can >> then read what items you have selected by moving the Vo cursor up and down. >> Don't turn the cursor tracking on until you've pressed the "continue" or >> what ever button which will accept your choice in the listbox. >> I only have access to a multiselectlistbox in a mailinglist management >> system where you need to log in, so I can't give you a link so you can check >> it out. >> I really love the way VOiceover work which is the reason for >> multiselectlistboxes works out of the box. I've seen many Windows >> screenreaders having issues with these... >> Best regards >> Søren Jensen >> Mail & MSN: >> s...@coolfortheblind.dk >> Website: >> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ >> >> Den Apr 11, 2010 kl. 11:32 PM skrev Donal Fitzpatrick: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I've come across a webpage which has raised an interesting issue for me. >>> Is there a way to use multi-select list boxes using VO and Safari? >>> >>> For those who haven't come across these, they are a form of UI element in >>> which the user can select either a contiguous group of elements or indeed a >>> non-continuous series. An example might be in a web site in which you >>> wished to look at apartments to rent, using one of these UI elements you >>> could select the areas you wished to look in. >>> >>> I haven't encountered one of these form controls very much but seeing it >>> used has made me wonder how VO users have found them. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Dónal >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Safari won't let me go to Ebay?
I downloaded web kit and now I can go to Ebay. Just like magic! LOL! Is it my imagination or is VO more responsive in Safari now? On Apr 12, 2010, at 3:07 AM, william lomas wrote: > go to > > http://shop.ebay.com > or > http://shop.ebay.co.uk > to give 2 examples. > > On 12 Apr 2010, at 07:36, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Once again, a fix for you guys! >> >> I'm not going to explain what the fix really is because I'm too tired. >> Sorry. You can look here. >> http://webkit.org >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >> AIM: cincinster >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> Facebook Profile >> My Twitter >> >> On Apr 12, 2010, at 3:09 AM, Kimberly thurman wrote: >> >>> VO says problem reporter and then Safari closes before I can see what the >>> error is. Crazy! >>> On Apr 11, 2010, at 6:22 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>> what error are you getting? Take care. On 4/11/2010 3:03 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote: > I'm having a puzzling problem folks. I get an error when I try to go to > Ebay. This happens whether I type in the URL myself or I use the choice > in the bookmarks menu. I'm scratching my head on this one. (Smilie!) > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > william lomas > follow me on twitter: > billbow_baggins > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Safari won't let me go to Ebay?
I downloaded and ran the webkit app but when I open it it takes me to a webpage about how I can help. I hear this is how it is suposed to work but I'ma bit confused. Take care. On Apr 12, 2010, at 5:01 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote: > I downloaded web kit and now I can go to Ebay. Just like magic! LOL! Is > it my imagination or is VO more responsive in Safari now? > On Apr 12, 2010, at 3:07 AM, william lomas wrote: > >> go to >> >> http://shop.ebay.com >> or >> http://shop.ebay.co.uk >> to give 2 examples. >> >> On 12 Apr 2010, at 07:36, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Once again, a fix for you guys! >>> >>> I'm not going to explain what the fix really is because I'm too tired. >>> Sorry. You can look here. >>> http://webkit.org >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> Skype: Kvalme >>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>> AIM: cincinster >>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>> Facebook Profile >>> My Twitter >>> >>> On Apr 12, 2010, at 3:09 AM, Kimberly thurman wrote: >>> VO says problem reporter and then Safari closes before I can see what the error is. Crazy! On Apr 11, 2010, at 6:22 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > what error are you getting? > > Take care. > > On 4/11/2010 3:03 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote: >> I'm having a puzzling problem folks. I get an error when I try to go to >> Ebay. This happens whether I type in the URL myself or I use the choice >> in the bookmarks menu. I'm scratching my head on this one. (Smilie!) >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> william lomas >> follow me on twitter: >> billbow_baggins >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
crosspost: gotomeeting?
hello how accessibleis that chat application that also has remote sharing oppsions etc? am wanting to attend a conference that uses this as there platform what clients do I use fore windows, and mac? I am a user of both platforms, this is being cross posted to macvisionaries. Hank -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Safari won't let me go to Ebay?
Hi, If you read further down that page, you will be guided through on how to get your normal homepage back. It is Safari. Webkit is just its underlying framework, and it is being updated regularly which is the benefit to using the actual engine. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Apr 13, 2010, at 4:58 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > I downloaded and ran the webkit app but when I open it it takes me to a > webpage about how I can help. I hear this is how it is suposed to work but > I'ma bit confused. > > Take care. > On Apr 12, 2010, at 5:01 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote: > >> I downloaded web kit and now I can go to Ebay. Just like magic! LOL! Is >> it my imagination or is VO more responsive in Safari now? >> On Apr 12, 2010, at 3:07 AM, william lomas wrote: >> >>> go to >>> >>> http://shop.ebay.com >>> or >>> http://shop.ebay.co.uk >>> to give 2 examples. >>> >>> On 12 Apr 2010, at 07:36, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>> Hi, Once again, a fix for you guys! I'm not going to explain what the fix really is because I'm too tired. Sorry. You can look here. http://webkit.org Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Apr 12, 2010, at 3:09 AM, Kimberly thurman wrote: > VO says problem reporter and then Safari closes before I can see what the > error is. Crazy! > On Apr 11, 2010, at 6:22 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> what error are you getting? >> >> Take care. >> >> On 4/11/2010 3:03 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote: >>> I'm having a puzzling problem folks. I get an error when I try to go >>> to Ebay. This happens whether I type in the URL myself or I use the >>> choice in the bookmarks menu. I'm scratching my head on this one. >>> (Smilie!) >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> william lomas >>> follow me on twitter: >>> billbow_baggins >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: multi select list boxes in safari
> Hi, > > Just to let everyone know, I got a response from Apple this morning. > > They'll pass it on to make them work without workarounds. I don't wanna be > picky, but I prefer to have the control recognized properly and workable > without having to disable some of my beloved VoiceOver settings. > > That's the sixth response this week starting Monday. Apple's on a roll! > > Regards, > Nic > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On Apr 12, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Good workaround. I still think they should be identified correctly, however, >> and not to be picky, but it shouldn't be necessary to have to do >> workarounds. Once they are properly identified, I'm sure it won't be >> necessary either. Thanks, though. :) >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >> AIM: cincinster >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> Facebook Profile >> My Twitter >> >> On Apr 12, 2010, at 6:32 PM, Søren Jensen wrote: >> >>> Hi all. >>> >>> The multiselectboxes works in the following way: >>> Turn off the cursor tracking by pressing VO shift f3, and then you can read >>> the choices without selecting them. If you don't stop cursor tracking, >>> you'll select each item as you read it. To select an item in the listbox, >>> you simply press VO command spacebar, and VO will say "selected." You can >>> then read what items you have selected by moving the Vo cursor up and down. >>> Don't turn the cursor tracking on until you've pressed the "continue" or >>> what ever button which will accept your choice in the listbox. >>> I only have access to a multiselectlistbox in a mailinglist management >>> system where you need to log in, so I can't give you a link so you can >>> check it out. >>> I really love the way VOiceover work which is the reason for >>> multiselectlistboxes works out of the box. I've seen many Windows >>> screenreaders having issues with these... >>> Best regards >>> Søren Jensen >>> Mail & MSN: >>> s...@coolfortheblind.dk >>> Website: >>> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ >>> >>> Den Apr 11, 2010 kl. 11:32 PM skrev Donal Fitzpatrick: >>> Hi all, I've come across a webpage which has raised an interesting issue for me. Is there a way to use multi-select list boxes using VO and Safari? For those who haven't come across these, they are a form of UI element in which the user can select either a contiguous group of elements or indeed a non-continuous series. An example might be in a web site in which you wished to look at apartments to rent, using one of these UI elements you could select the areas you wished to look in. I haven't encountered one of these form controls very much but seeing it used has made me wonder how VO users have found them. Cheers Dónal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
