date:20100406

Hi Mani, ssounds like you need to google rar expander.  It does a very good job 
of handling multipart archives.

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On 2010-04-05, at 11:15 PM, mani wrote:

> I downloaded a movie which had five .rar  files. I ran the UnRarX app
> to extract the .rar files.  This process created a directory with 28
> files of the kind *.rnn where nn goes from 00 to 27.  Now I have no
> idea what to do with the 28 files to get my movie.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> mani
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Re: getting out of find mode; how

2010-04-06 Thread olivia norman

It makes trouble shooting fun, though and apple products are certainly easier 
to work with than windows machines IMO.
On Apr 6, 2010, at 3:42 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Well, Apple products in general have been known to work differently for a lot 
> of people. I still believe this is due to the magic upon which Apple stores 
> are built.
> 
> I say that because most bugs other people have, whether it is iPhone or Mac, 
> seem to elude me completely. Either that, or some things just work 
> differently, which makes it very hard to troubleshoot.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
> Skype: Kvalme
> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
> AIM: cincinster
> yahoo Messenger: cin368
> Facebook Profile
> My Twitter
> 
> On Apr 6, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Olivia Norman wrote:
> 
>> Interesting!
>> I have found interacting with the text to be the way to get find to work 
>> correctly! Not sure why this is.
>> Olivia
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Apr 6, 2010, at 2:40 AM, Nicolai Svendsen  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Interacting with the text before using VO-F is not necessary, actually. 
>>> What is important to note, though, is after finding the text you want you 
>>> may have to stop interacting, as Vo seems to automatically interact with 
>>> the result you are on. It's kind of strange.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
>>> Skype: Kvalme
>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>>> AIM: cincinster
>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368
>>> Facebook Profile
>>> My Twitter
>>> 
>>> On Apr 6, 2010, at 8:26 AM, olivia norman wrote:
>>> 
 Hit escape.  Also, don't forget to interact with the text before hitting 
 VO F
 HTH
 Olivia
 On Apr 5, 2010, at 2:16 PM, Ray Foret jr wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> When I"m browsing and I use VO+f to find something on the screen, then I 
> want to exit find mode without clicking on anything, how do I do that?  
> If I press tab or shift+tab I'm pulled way away from the spot on the page 
> where I last found the item I was looking for.
> 
> For example, if I'm searching the want adds paper for a washer, and I use 
>  VO+f to find the word "washer" (without the quotes) I can easily find 
> occurrences of the word washer.  What I need to do then is exit finder 
> without clicking on any links.  The escape key doesn't do it for me.  
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!
> 
> Now a Proud Mac user!
> 
> E-Mail:
> rforetjr at comcast dot net
> Skype:
> barefootedray
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Re: Hi have a networking question

2010-04-06 Thread Jonathan Cohn

Also, if your only interest is in iTunes, then you can turn on the
iTunes home sharing featues.  With this feature, you have the iTunes
software syncronize between the computers if you want, or just see
your remote somngs list.  No need for mounts for this.

On 06/04/2010, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> If your going from the mac machine to the windows machine then try using the
> terminal. I think from memory its command K,
>  Then use
> SMB at the start of your command
>  So it would be something like
>
> Smb:\\ip-address, or domain name.com.
>
>   If this is on your personal network then use the IP address and if you
> have a shared drive or folder on your windows machine, you should either get
> it or get a username / password if you have one on  the file / folder share.
>
>  Macs can read the windows folder structure and write to it if it's a fat32
> file structure.
> If the windows machine uses an ntfs file structure then the mac will read
> but not write to it.
>
> A windows machine will have a very very difficult job of reading the  mac
> folder structure.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of matthew dyer
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 April 2010 1:44 p.m.
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Hi have a networking question
>
> How would I go about mounting  my pc drive to do this?  Thanks.
>
> Matthew
>
>
>
> At 04:40 PM 4/5/2010, Chris Blouch wrote:
>>It should all work the same as a wired network. You might have an
>>easier time sharing your Mac drive and mounting it on the PC rather
>>than the other way around, but it doesn't matter. The Mac can also
>>mount SMB (Windows File Sharing protocol) network drives just fine.
>>Between macs iTunes can actually share your iTunes library and
>>listen to it on another machine on the same network. I believe at
>>least Windows iTunes can listen to Mac iTunes shares but I haven't
>>tried it the other way around.
>>
>>CB
>>
>>matthew dyer wrote:
>>>Hello to everyone on the list.
>>>
>>>
>>>I am  curius about something.  I am getting a wirless router in a
>>>few days and will be going wirless.  I have a windows pc and a
>>>mac.  If I setup file sharing on the pc side,  Is there a way I can
>>>have my mac see the pc:?  I want to be able to have my mac be able
>>>to have itunes point to my pcs music folder so that the contentenc
>>>can be plaied on the mac.  How does the air tunes work?
>>>
>>>Matthew
>>>
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RE: originator of the my mac mini thread

2010-04-06 Thread Bryan Smart

Nothing.

I've accidentally blown away OSX while installing Windows before on my Macbook, 
and it was just a Windows machine until I re-installed OSX.

If you want a small media box, though. The Mini is probably too expensive. If 
you're going to run Windows anyway, you might as well get one of the little 
Mini ITX-based PCs. Google around for them. There are lots, and they're cheap.

Bryan

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On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 11:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: originator of the my mac mini thread

So what is to stop someone taking a mac mini and put  windows on it as a small 
windows box?

 I've thought that the mini would make a great media machine for my media 
system.
 I would only need a tv tuner card to connect to my TV / screen and it would be 
great, although my 5.1  sound system would probably lack a bit if I can't 
connect it on a mini.

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Sent: Monday, 5 April 2010 4:35 a.m.
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: originator of the my mac mini thread

Hi,

> I would think that the wiz kids at Apple could incorporate a setting
within Voiceover to enable or disable the need to attach a monitor. Just my 
thoughts, as most blind people have little or no need for it in the first place.
That's a fab idea. Have you written to Apple with this suggestion?

TC
James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny
On 4 Apr 2010, at 17:30, M BROWN wrote:

> Well, my email about the Mac mini would seem to have stirred up a lot 
> of
passions. The Mac mini I purchased was far from the basic model. And, I did buy 
in the belief that it would run without a monitor. I don't profess to know a 
great deal about software engineering. However, I would think that the wiz kids 
at Apple could incorporate a setting within Voiceover to enable or disable the 
need to attach a monitor. Just my thoughts, as most blind people have little or 
no need for it in the first place.
> Martin
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Re: Don't know what to do with extracted RAR files

Simon,
I tried clicking on each one of them and they are demanding an
application to open with.  QuickTime isn't one of them.
Thanks,
mani

On Apr 6, 2:47 am, "Simon Fogarty"  wrote:
> Mani,
>
>  Try clicking on the 00 file or if one has a .rar extension,  then click on
> that. And it should unzip the files into one main file that you should be
> able to paly
>
>
>
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>
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of mani
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 April 2010 3:16 p.m.
> To: MacVisionaries
> Subject: Don't know what to do with extracted RAR files
>
> I downloaded a movie which had five .rar  files. I ran the UnRarX app
> to extract the .rar files.  This process created a directory with 28
> files of the kind *.rnn where nn goes from 00 to 27.  Now I have no
> idea what to do with the 28 files to get my movie.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> mani
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Re: Don't know what to do with extracted RAR files

Ben,
This is not a movie per se, but a technical movie where I wanted to
listen to the technical stuff and leave the visual part.
The first four 'parts' are approximately 100 MB and the last part is
approximately 32 MB.  UnRarX expands them fine without errors but then
I do not know what to do with the 28 files.
Thanks,
mani

On Apr 6, 5:10 am, Ben Mustill-Rose  wrote:
> Perhaps you could try deleeting all the files and buy the movie
> instead of pirating it?
>
> The files you speak of are parts of a multi part archive that will
> contain your treasure, are they 14.3mb by any chance?
>
> On 06/04/2010, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Mani,
>
> >  Try clicking on the 00 file or if one has a .rar extension,  then click on
> > that. And it should unzip the files into one main file that you should be
> > able to paly
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of mani
> > Sent: Tuesday, 6 April 2010 3:16 p.m.
> > To: MacVisionaries
> > Subject: Don't know what to do with extracted RAR files
>
> > I downloaded a movie which had five .rar  files. I ran the UnRarX app
> > to extract the .rar files.  This process created a directory with 28
> > files of the kind *.rnn where nn goes from 00 to 27.  Now I have no
> > idea what to do with the 28 files to get my movie.
>
> > Any ideas?
>
> > Thanks,
> > mani
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Re: Don't know what to do with extracted RAR files

Erik,
That is how I found UnRarX. Maybe I should try another RAR expander.
The instructions tell me to a) UnRAR the file b) Burn/Mount the files
and c) Enjoy!.
It is the second step that I am having a problem with.
Thanks,
mani

On Apr 6, 8:27 am, erik burggraaf  wrote:
> Hi Mani, ssounds like you need to google rar expander.  It does a very good 
> job of handling multipart archives.
>
> Best,
>
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>
> On 2010-04-05, at 11:15 PM, mani wrote:
>
>
>
> > I downloaded a movie which had five .rar  files. I ran the UnRarX app
> > to extract the .rar files.  This process created a directory with 28
> > files of the kind *.rnn where nn goes from 00 to 27.  Now I have no
> > idea what to do with the 28 files to get my movie.
>
> > Any ideas?
>
> > Thanks,
> > mani
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Re: Don't know what to do with extracted RAR files

Oh yuk.  So what you have is not a multi part archive.  It's a multi-part disc 
image.  What a horrible way to go about things.

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On 2010-04-06, at 10:05 AM, mani wrote:

> Erik,
> That is how I found UnRarX. Maybe I should try another RAR expander.
> The instructions tell me to a) UnRAR the file b) Burn/Mount the files
> and c) Enjoy!.
> It is the second step that I am having a problem with.
> Thanks,
> mani
> 
> On Apr 6, 8:27 am, erik burggraaf  wrote:
>> Hi Mani, ssounds like you need to google rar expander.  It does a very good 
>> job of handling multipart archives.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
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>> 
>> On 2010-04-05, at 11:15 PM, mani wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> I downloaded a movie which had five .rar  files. I ran the UnRarX app
>>> to extract the .rar files.  This process created a directory with 28
>>> files of the kind *.rnn where nn goes from 00 to 27.  Now I have no
>>> idea what to do with the 28 files to get my movie.
>> 
>>> Any ideas?
>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> mani
>> 
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Re: vlingo demo

2010-04-06 Thread william lomas

danish does not work at the moment i don't think

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Issue after uploading with SS Wizard

2010-04-06 Thread James & Nash

Hi list, 

I have just spent the past four days uploading some things to SS. However, 
although all the files appear in the Wizard, they do not appear on the website? 
Has anyone experienced this on the Mac before please?

Thanks 

TC
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Re: Don't know what to do with extracted RAR files

2010-04-06 Thread Ben Mustill-Rose

I've scene things split into multi part archives twice.
eg. it gets rar'd into the usual 15mb parts by someone in the scene
and then when someone uploads it to a file hosting site, they split
the directory of parts into a few more larger parts.

In answer to your question, try running UnRarX on the files that were
generated the first time you ran UnRarX.

On 06/04/2010, erik burggraaf  wrote:
> Oh yuk.  So what you have is not a multi part archive.  It's a multi-part
> disc image.  What a horrible way to go about things.
>
> Best,
>
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>
> On 2010-04-06, at 10:05 AM, mani wrote:
>
>> Erik,
>> That is how I found UnRarX. Maybe I should try another RAR expander.
>> The instructions tell me to a) UnRAR the file b) Burn/Mount the files
>> and c) Enjoy!.
>> It is the second step that I am having a problem with.
>> Thanks,
>> mani
>>
>> On Apr 6, 8:27 am, erik burggraaf  wrote:
>>> Hi Mani, ssounds like you need to google rar expander.  It does a very
>>> good job of handling multipart archives.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Erik Burggraaf
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>>>
>>> On 2010-04-05, at 11:15 PM, mani wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
 I downloaded a movie which had five .rar  files. I ran the UnRarX app
 to extract the .rar files.  This process created a directory with 28
 files of the kind *.rnn where nn goes from 00 to 27.  Now I have no
 idea what to do with the 28 files to get my movie.
>>>
 Any ideas?
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Working with Apple Threaded Mail

2010-04-06 Thread Robert Carter

Hi All,

I would like to start working with having my email messages sorted by threads. 
I see the option in the view menu to check or uncheck threading. How does one 
work with threads with VoiceOver?

Thanks,

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Re: Working with Apple Threaded Mail

What I do and if there is a better way let me know, is collapse all threads and 
if the thread is too long or if I want to read the newest ones I open the 
thread with right arrow and go until I say x rows selected. Than I arrow down 
to the first thread thing I see and select with shift down arrow the few I want 
to read.

Good luck.

S
On Apr 6, 2010, at 8:55 AM, Robert Carter wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> I would like to start working with having my email messages sorted by 
> threads. I see the option in the view menu to check or uncheck threading. How 
> does one work with threads with VoiceOver?
> 
> Thanks,
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Re: Issue after uploading with SS Wizard

Hve not rtried uploading but have you made sure that the upload is complete 
before removing them from the queue?

Take care.
On Apr 6, 2010, at 8:38 AM, James & Nash wrote:

> Hi list, 
> 
> I have just spent the past four days uploading some things to SS. However, 
> although all the files appear in the Wizard, they do not appear on the 
> website? Has anyone experienced this on the Mac before please?
> 
> Thanks 
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Re: Issue after uploading with SS Wizard

2010-04-06 Thread James & Nash

Hi Sarah,

I have set the SS Wizard to remove them when they are complete. This is very 
off. They seem to be there in the Wizard itself. 

Thanks for your suggestion.
TC
James Lyn, Nash & Twinny

On 6 Apr 2010, at 17:22, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> Hve not rtried uploading but have you made sure that the upload is complete 
> before removing them from the queue?
> 
> Take care.
> On Apr 6, 2010, at 8:38 AM, James & Nash wrote:
> 
>> Hi list, 
>> 
>> I have just spent the past four days uploading some things to SS. However, 
>> although all the files appear in the Wizard, they do not appear on the 
>> website? Has anyone experienced this on the Mac before please?
>> 
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Re: Working with Apple Threaded Mail

Hi Robert,

I use threaded mail all the time and it saves me a lot of work.

As you read through your mail vo will tell you if a message has a thread and 
whether it is expanded or collapsed.
Acting on an entry in the messages table acts on the whole thread.  IE, 
Deleting the entry deletes the whole thread.  Pressing enter opens each message 
in the thread in it's own window.
To see the next message in a thread you are reading, press command w as you 
finish to close the window for each message you are finished reading.
If you try to open a thread with more than 10 messages, mail will warn you and 
give you the chance to abort.

Threading in mail is really very artfully done and I wouldn't be without it.

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On 2010-04-06, at 12:20 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> What I do and if there is a better way let me know, is collapse all threads 
> and if the thread is too long or if I want to read the newest ones I open the 
> thread with right arrow and go until I say x rows selected. Than I arrow down 
> to the first thread thing I see and select with shift down arrow the few I 
> want to read.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> S
> On Apr 6, 2010, at 8:55 AM, Robert Carter wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I would like to start working with having my email messages sorted by 
>> threads. I see the option in the view menu to check or uncheck threading. 
>> How does one work with threads with VoiceOver?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Robert Carter
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Re: Working with Apple Threaded Mail

2010-04-06 Thread Krister Ekstrom


6 apr 2010 kl. 18.42 skrev erik burggraaf:

> As you read through your mail vo will tell you if a message has a thread and 
> whether it is expanded or collapsed.

How on Gods green earth do you do to get it to tell you that? I have worked 
with threaded mail ever since Leopard and it has never told me the message had 
threads, or am i misunderstanding things?
/Krister

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Re: Don't know what to do with extracted RAR files

Ben:
Thanks a lot.  Your suggestion worked.  I had tried to extract the r00
file earlier but I was using the traditional way of browsing he file
and extracting it in UnRarX,  This wasn't working because UnRarX was
looking specifically for a .rar file.
I googled around and found out that you can drag and drop the .r00
file into the UnRarX window and voila, that worked!

Again, thank you all for your suggestions.

man i

On Apr 6, 11:51 am, Ben Mustill-Rose  wrote:
> I've scene things split into multi part archives twice.
> eg. it gets rar'd into the usual 15mb parts by someone in the scene
> and then when someone uploads it to a file hosting site, they split
> the directory of parts into a few more larger parts.
>
> In answer to your question, try running UnRarX on the files that were
> generated the first time you ran UnRarX.
>
> On 06/04/2010, erik burggraaf  wrote:
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>
>
> > Oh yuk.  So what you have is not a multi part archive.  It's a multi-part
> > disc image.  What a horrible way to go about things.
>
> > Best,
>
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> > On 2010-04-06, at 10:05 AM, mani wrote:
>
> >> Erik,
> >> That is how I found UnRarX. Maybe I should try another RAR expander.
> >> The instructions tell me to a) UnRAR the file b) Burn/Mount the files
> >> and c) Enjoy!.
> >> It is the second step that I am having a problem with.
> >> Thanks,
> >> mani
>
> >> On Apr 6, 8:27 am, erik burggraaf  wrote:
> >>> Hi Mani, ssounds like you need to google rar expander.  It does a very
> >>> good job of handling multipart archives.
>
> >>> Best,
>
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> >>> On 2010-04-05, at 11:15 PM, mani wrote:
>
>  I downloaded a movie which had five .rar  files. I ran the UnRarX app
>  to extract the .rar files.  This process created a directory with 28
>  files of the kind *.rnn where nn goes from 00 to 27.  Now I have no
>  idea what to do with the 28 files to get my movie.
>
>  Any ideas?
>
>  Thanks,
>  mani
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Re: -- snow leopard server

2010-04-06 Thread Chris Blouch

From what I've read in the past the main differences with server are 
some nice GUI configuration tools and more services turned on by 
default. That means that with regular OSX you can do pretty much the 
same thing if you don't mind playing around in terminal a bit and are 
good with search engines. For web servers there is a common appliance 
viewpoint called LAMP or Linux, Apache, MySQL and PHP. The standard Mac 
already has all these things, just not all turned on, so there is very 
little in the web dev world you couldn't do on a stock Mac or MAMP 
setup. Macs also include an SSH server so you can ssh into another Mac 
and execute commands remotely. While all the users/groups/rights stuff 
would probably be easier with a GUI on OSX server, there is nothing 
preventing anyone from doing the same thing the old fashion way on plain 
old OSX.


CB

David McLean wrote:

According to Gordon Smith on the Mac access list it is not very accessible and 
you'd be better off sticking with Snow Leopard.
On Apr 6, 2010, at 4:26 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

  

Hi Listers,

I've just been looking at the mac mini server machine that is being
advertised on the apple website.

A mac mini 2.53 processor with 4gig ram and runningt the snow leopard
server os.

Has anyone used this OS and how usable is it with voice over?

Simon  


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Re: Working with Apple Threaded Mail

Hi,  It's always done this on my mac, and it does on my roommate's as well.  I 
don't know any one else who uses threading.  Most of my mac wielding clients 
don't get enough email to need to worry about it.  You should get an indicater 
from mail to show that a message has a thread. Unless for some reason the 
column that shows the status isn't checked in mail.

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On 2010-04-06, at 1:59 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

> 
> 6 apr 2010 kl. 18.42 skrev erik burggraaf:
> 
>> As you read through your mail vo will tell you if a message has a thread and 
>> whether it is expanded or collapsed.
> 
> How on Gods green earth do you do to get it to tell you that? I have worked 
> with threaded mail ever since Leopard and it has never told me the message 
> had threads, or am i misunderstanding things?
> /Krister
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Re: originator of the my mac mini thread

2010-04-06 Thread Chris Blouch

Nice thing with the Minis as a media center is they supposedly 
self-identify lots of displays correctly without a lot of fiddling. In 
the past I've read about folks on the Windows side have had to do all 
kinds of crazy config tweaks to get HD DVI or HDMI to recognize their 
big screens and work right while the mini just did the right thing. 
Mini's also have a nice optical output in the headphone jack so you can 
hook that up to your 5.1 surround setup. Not all apps use it but DVD 
Player does as well as they eyeTV software. The recent olympics off air 
broadcast was in 5.1. My wife is a sports nut and this has worked well 
for her and it's not so complicated that she can't get a DVD playing for 
the kids. Another thing that is kind of nice is using iTunes remote on 
the iphone over the wifi to change tracks on the mini playing through 
the stereo. A little lag but works well. The simple Apple remote also 
works well for FrontRow, will change channels on eyeTV and operates 
iTunes. Using a bluetooth keyboard also makes operation from the couch 
work well. How many of these attributes are retained by the hardware 
operating under Windows drivers is unknown, at least to me. I just 
wanted an appliance, not another problem to solve, so maybe I paid extra 
for that.


CB

Bryan Smart wrote:

Nothing.

I've accidentally blown away OSX while installing Windows before on my Macbook, 
and it was just a Windows machine until I re-installed OSX.

If you want a small media box, though. The Mini is probably too expensive. If 
you're going to run Windows anyway, you might as well get one of the little 
Mini ITX-based PCs. Google around for them. There are lots, and they're cheap.

Bryan

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 11:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: originator of the my mac mini thread

So what is to stop someone taking a mac mini and put  windows on it as a small 
windows box?

 I've thought that the mini would make a great media machine for my media 
system.
 I would only need a tv tuner card to connect to my TV / screen and it would be 
great, although my 5.1  sound system would probably lack a bit if I can't 
connect it on a mini.

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James & Nash
Sent: Monday, 5 April 2010 4:35 a.m.
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: originator of the my mac mini thread

Hi,

  

I would think that the wiz kids at Apple could incorporate a setting


within Voiceover to enable or disable the need to attach a monitor. Just my 
thoughts, as most blind people have little or no need for it in the first place.
That's a fab idea. Have you written to Apple with this suggestion?

TC
James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny
On 4 Apr 2010, at 17:30, M BROWN wrote:

  
Well, my email about the Mac mini would seem to have stirred up a lot 
of


passions. The Mac mini I purchased was far from the basic model. And, I did buy 
in the belief that it would run without a monitor. I don't profess to know a 
great deal about software engineering. However, I would think that the wiz kids 
at Apple could incorporate a setting within Voiceover to enable or disable the 
need to attach a monitor. Just my thoughts, as most blind people have little or 
no need for it in the first place.
  

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Used an iPad today

2010-04-06 Thread Bryan Smart

I'd ordered the 3G model, so will be waiting a few more weeks yet, but I had 
some time to play with a WiFi model today.

Generally, it's an iPhone. However, besides the screen size being increased, 
the interface has increased in complexity, also. Apple is certainly using the 
extra space to expand on what is possible with an iPhone type touch interface.

It took me only very little time to discover that portrait mode (which lots of 
sighted users select), is probably not the best for a blind person. When you're 
working with two hands, having more horizontal room seems to make more of a 
difference when navigating. Fortunately, it is a snap to try either way to see 
what works for you.

I absolutely agree with the posters that were talking about the horrible 
oversight about the back plate of the iPad. It is almost nothing but shiny 
aluminum. You're supposed to be able to set the iPad on a table to use it, but 
I promise, the first time that you place it on any table that isn't absolutely 
clear of small dirt particles, you'll pic it up to discover that the slight 
motion of you pushing and sliding the iPad has ground the dirt particles in to 
the back, and scratched the hell out of your shiny aluminum back plate. Of 
course, you can buy the case to fix that. the case is a type of thin and stiff 
coated particle board that feels a lot like a traditional print notebook. One 
side snugly holds the iPad, and the other side is a flap that covers the iPad 
screen when closed. I suppose that most people will want the case to protect 
the screen when traveling, anyway. If you go without the case, though, you are 
absolutely asking for it. Apple could have put something on the back to make 
the iPad more stable. Maybe not rubber feet, but they could have gone with a 
felt square in the center, a stylized strip of some high friction material, 
etc. The curved back will insure that the iPad wobbles on the table, and the 
glossy case will absolutely scratch.

VoiceOver sounded about the same, and responded with the same speed, pretty 
much. The speaker was very clear. Didn't get to play music with it, but I hear 
the bass is poor. Still, speech is pretty good through the built-in speakers.

However, it seemed to me that iPad programs opened more slowly than on the 
iPhone. Maybe there is more information to load? However, with more memory and 
a faster processor, I wasn't expecting that.

I wasn't dramatically blown away by the applications that were available on it, 
but working with a big talking touch screen interface started me dreaming about 
things that *could* be accomplished with a device like that. Many people might 
not need the iPad for web surfing or checking e-mail, but I think that, 
eventually, there will be some very unique uses for the iPad.

Bryan

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Re: Help with audacity

2010-04-06 Thread Paul Erkens

Hi list,

As far as one track editing goes, what would you say is a better choice as an 
audio editor: is that amadeus pro, or the accessible version of audacity?

My problem with amadeus pro that I installed last week is still, that the 
spacebar just won't even start or pause playback. Command y and command shift y 
do both work, but I can't play / pause, nor can I command left or right through 
the file. Is it a good idea to switch to audacity and give that a try, or am I 
just overlooking a basic thing in amadeus?

Paul.
On Apr 3, 2010, at 5:42 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

Hi Frank,

check out www.icanworkthisthing.com  There is a good manual there.  And did you 
download the accessible version from 
http://audacity.homerow.net/index.php?dir=accessible ?

hth
On Apr 3, 2010, at 8:30 PM, Frank Ventura wrote:

> Hi can anyone point me in the direction of some help or tutorials on
> using Audacity. Specifically I would like to know the keyboard shortcuts
> for starting, pausing and stopping recording and maybe the basics on how
> to edit tracks.
> Tia
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Re: Used an iPad today

2010-04-06 Thread Olivia Norman

Interesting. I find portrait mode works better I considered the 3g  
version, but thought I didn't need both that and an iPhone.

Olivia

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 6, 2010, at 2:59 PM, Bryan Smart   
wrote:


I'd ordered the 3G model, so will be waiting a few more weeks yet,  
but I had some time to play with a WiFi model today.


Generally, it's an iPhone. However, besides the screen size being  
increased, the interface has increased in complexity, also. Apple is  
certainly using the extra space to expand on what is possible with  
an iPhone type touch interface.


It took me only very little time to discover that portrait mode  
(which lots of sighted users select), is probably not the best for a  
blind person. When you're working with two hands, having more  
horizontal room seems to make more of a difference when navigating.  
Fortunately, it is a snap to try either way to see what works for you.


I absolutely agree with the posters that were talking about the  
horrible oversight about the back plate of the iPad. It is almost  
nothing but shiny aluminum. You're supposed to be able to set the  
iPad on a table to use it, but I promise, the first time that you  
place it on any table that isn't absolutely clear of small dirt  
particles, you'll pic it up to discover that the slight motion of  
you pushing and sliding the iPad has ground the dirt particles in to  
the back, and scratched the hell out of your shiny aluminum back  
plate. Of course, you can buy the case to fix that. the case is a  
type of thin and stiff coated particle board that feels a lot like a  
traditional print notebook. One side snugly holds the iPad, and the  
other side is a flap that covers the iPad screen when closed. I  
suppose that most people will want the case to protect the screen  
when traveling, anyway. If you go without the case, though, you are  
absolutely asking for it. Apple could have put something on the back  
to make the iPad more stable. Maybe not rubber feet, but they could  
have gone with a felt square in the center, a stylized strip of some  
high friction material, etc. The curved back will insure that the  
iPad wobbles on the table, and the glossy case will absolutely  
scratch.


VoiceOver sounded about the same, and responded with the same speed,  
pretty much. The speaker was very clear. Didn't get to play music  
with it, but I hear the bass is poor. Still, speech is pretty good  
through the built-in speakers.


However, it seemed to me that iPad programs opened more slowly than  
on the iPhone. Maybe there is more information to load? However,  
with more memory and a faster processor, I wasn't expecting that.


I wasn't dramatically blown away by the applications that were  
available on it, but working with a big talking touch screen  
interface started me dreaming about things that *could* be  
accomplished with a device like that. Many people might not need the  
iPad for web surfing or checking e-mail, but I think that,  
eventually, there will be some very unique uses for the iPad.


Bryan

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Re: Hi have a networking question

2010-04-06 Thread Chris Blouch

The exact steps vary depending on which OSX you're running. On 10.5 you 
need to go into the sharing Preferences, turn on File Sharing, go into 
Options and turn on Share files and folders using SMB (that's the 
Windows file sharing). Below that will be all the accounts on your 
computer with checkboxes and you'll need to enable which accounts you 
want to allow windows filesharing on.


Once that is done you can go to your PC and do the usual Map Network 
Drive. The connect string will be


\\your_mac's_address\your_mac_login_shortname

so for my machine it's IP address is 10.66.187.15 (which is an internal 
IP address by the way) and my shortname is cblouch so I just map a 
network drive to


\\10.66.187.15\cblouch

I then choose 'Connect using a different user name' and use cblouch and 
my Mac's password and then hit the Finish button.


After that your Mac user folder should be accessible as a drive letter 
on your Windows box. It's a handy way to share files back and forth.


CB

matthew dyer wrote:

How would I go about mounting  my pc drive to do this?  Thanks.

Matthew



At 04:40 PM 4/5/2010, Chris Blouch wrote:
It should all work the same as a wired network. You might have an 
easier time sharing your Mac drive and mounting it on the PC rather 
than the other way around, but it doesn't matter. The Mac can also 
mount SMB (Windows File Sharing protocol) network drives just fine. 
Between macs iTunes can actually share your iTunes library and listen 
to it on another machine on the same network. I believe at least 
Windows iTunes can listen to Mac iTunes shares but I haven't tried it 
the other way around.


CB

matthew dyer wrote:

Hello to everyone on the list.


I am  curius about something.  I am getting a wirless router in a 
few days and will be going wirless.  I have a windows pc and a mac.  
If I setup file sharing on the pc side,  Is there a way I can have 
my mac see the pc:?  I want to be able to have my mac be able to 
have itunes point to my pcs music folder so that the contentenc can 
be plaied on the mac.  How does the air tunes work?


Matthew



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Re: Used an iPad today

I think the idea is awesome in terms of accessibility and apple will 
certainly get praises for that which they deserve, however I think the 
product itself is a rip off. sure, it's $499, but then they plan to rape you 
at the app counter, so yeah it's accessible alright, but is it worth a place 
in your walet? We sometimes let accessibility over power our budgets because 
we see something and think, wow, gotta have that one.


Cody
- Original Message - 
From: "Bryan Smart" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:59 PM
Subject: Used an iPad today


I'd ordered the 3G model, so will be waiting a few more weeks yet, but I had 
some time to play with a WiFi model today.


Generally, it's an iPhone. However, besides the screen size being increased, 
the interface has increased in complexity, also. Apple is certainly using 
the extra space to expand on what is possible with an iPhone type touch 
interface.


It took me only very little time to discover that portrait mode (which lots 
of sighted users select), is probably not the best for a blind person. When 
you're working with two hands, having more horizontal room seems to make 
more of a difference when navigating. Fortunately, it is a snap to try 
either way to see what works for you.


I absolutely agree with the posters that were talking about the horrible 
oversight about the back plate of the iPad. It is almost nothing but shiny 
aluminum. You're supposed to be able to set the iPad on a table to use it, 
but I promise, the first time that you place it on any table that isn't 
absolutely clear of small dirt particles, you'll pic it up to discover that 
the slight motion of you pushing and sliding the iPad has ground the dirt 
particles in to the back, and scratched the hell out of your shiny aluminum 
back plate. Of course, you can buy the case to fix that. the case is a type 
of thin and stiff coated particle board that feels a lot like a traditional 
print notebook. One side snugly holds the iPad, and the other side is a flap 
that covers the iPad screen when closed. I suppose that most people will 
want the case to protect the screen when traveling, anyway. If you go 
without the case, though, you are absolutely asking for it. Apple could have 
put something on the back to make the iPad more stable. Maybe not rubber 
feet, but they could have gone with a felt square in the center, a stylized 
strip of some high friction material, etc. The curved back will insure that 
the iPad wobbles on the table, and the glossy case will absolutely scratch.


VoiceOver sounded about the same, and responded with the same speed, pretty 
much. The speaker was very clear. Didn't get to play music with it, but I 
hear the bass is poor. Still, speech is pretty good through the built-in 
speakers.


However, it seemed to me that iPad programs opened more slowly than on the 
iPhone. Maybe there is more information to load? However, with more memory 
and a faster processor, I wasn't expecting that.


I wasn't dramatically blown away by the applications that were available on 
it, but working with a big talking touch screen interface started me 
dreaming about things that *could* be accomplished with a device like that. 
Many people might not need the iPad for web surfing or checking e-mail, but 
I think that, eventually, there will be some very unique uses for the iPad.


Bryan

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Re: Used an iPad today

Also consider how often wifi will be available. networks might be all over 
the place, but most of them nowadays are secured, sow aht si the use? 3G is 
ok, but you've got an iPhone for that, so again, it's a mistake for the 
consumer side.
- Original Message - 
From: "Olivia Norman" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: Used an iPad today

Interesting. I find portrait mode works better I considered the 3g 
version, but thought I didn't need both that and an iPhone.

Olivia

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 6, 2010, at 2:59 PM, Bryan Smart  
wrote:

I'd ordered the 3G model, so will be waiting a few more weeks yet,  but I 
had some time to play with a WiFi model today.

Generally, it's an iPhone. However, besides the screen size being 
increased, the interface has increased in complexity, also. Apple is 
certainly using the extra space to expand on what is possible with  an 
iPhone type touch interface.

It took me only very little time to discover that portrait mode  (which 
lots of sighted users select), is probably not the best for a  blind 
person. When you're working with two hands, having more  horizontal room 
seems to make more of a difference when navigating.  Fortunately, it is a 
snap to try either way to see what works for you.

I absolutely agree with the posters that were talking about the  horrible 
oversight about the back plate of the iPad. It is almost  nothing but 
shiny aluminum. You're supposed to be able to set the  iPad on a table to 
use it, but I promise, the first time that you  place it on any table 
that isn't absolutely clear of small dirt  particles, you'll pic it up to 
discover that the slight motion of  you pushing and sliding the iPad has 
ground the dirt particles in to  the back, and scratched the hell out of 
your shiny aluminum back  plate. Of course, you can buy the case to fix 
that. the case is a  type of thin and stiff coated particle board that 
feels a lot like a  traditional print notebook. One side snugly holds the 
iPad, and the  other side is a flap that covers the iPad screen when 
closed. I  suppose that most people will want the case to protect the 
screen  when traveling, anyway. If you go without the case, though, you 
are  absolutely asking for it. Apple could have put something on the back 
to make the iPad more stable. Maybe not rubber feet, but they could  have 
gone with a felt square in the center, a stylized strip of some  high 
friction material, etc. The curved back will insure that the  iPad 
wobbles on the table, and the glossy case will absolutely  scratch.

VoiceOver sounded about the same, and responded with the same speed, 
pretty much. The speaker was very clear. Didn't get to play music  with 
it, but I hear the bass is poor. Still, speech is pretty good  through 
the built-in speakers.

However, it seemed to me that iPad programs opened more slowly than  on 
the iPhone. Maybe there is more information to load? However,  with more 
memory and a faster processor, I wasn't expecting that.

I wasn't dramatically blown away by the applications that were  available 
on it, but working with a big talking touch screen  interface started me 
dreaming about things that *could* be  accomplished with a device like 
that. Many people might not need the  iPad for web surfing or checking 
e-mail, but I think that,  eventually, there will be some very unique 
uses for the iPad.

Bryan

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Re: Working with Apple Threaded Mail

2010-04-06 Thread Esther


Hello Robert, Krister, Erik, and Others,

Erik has used the "View" menu option to select "Organize by thread".   
He's talking about information in the Message Viewer table.


I find that the only high volume mail I get is from this list and from  
the viphone list, and if I want to view my mail in unthreaded format,  
I can still move up and down the thread in the message viewer if I use  
Option+Up Arrow or Option+Down Arrow on my MacBook to move to the next  
or previous post in the thread (depends on how you have your messages  
sorted in the viewer table -- this is when I sort on "Date Received"  
so that the latest messages show up at the top of the table.  Another  
tip is that if you continue to hold down Option+Up or Down arrow keys  
for a bit, you'll move to the top or bottom of the list .  That tip  
came from Apple's Accessibility team, but it's a general Mac feature.


The best description of mail features and shortcuts in practical use  
that I've found is in the "Take Control of Apple Mail in Leopard"  
guide.  The updated version of the guide for Snow Leopard is not  
available yet.  Here's the link to the page for the Leopard guide:


http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/leopard-apple-mail

For new users, the "Take Control" series are DRM-free, downloadable  
PDF guides that are very reasonably priced (usually $10 or $15 list,  
and often discounts are available).  On some topics, such as wireless  
networking and mail, they include information that I haven't seen  
elsewhere.  And some guide topics, like how to use the command line in  
terminal, just aren't published elsewhere with the same focus.


I don't remember where I found out about the Option+arrow key  
navigation for threads, though.  Occasionally I come across keystroke  
combinations that I don't recall reading about elsewhere, like using Fn 
+Right arrow to move to the Trash when I'm in the Dock, or Fn+Down  
arrow to cycle through the sections of the Dock to quickly get to  
files and folders in the Dock if I'm at one of the applications, etc.


HTH

Cheers,

Esther
erik burggraaf wrote:

Hi,  It's always done this on my mac, and it does on my roommate's  
as well.  I don't know any one else who uses threading.  Most of my  
mac wielding clients don't get enough email to need to worry about  
it.  You should get an indicater from mail to show that a message  
has a thread. Unless for some reason the column that shows the  
status isn't checked in mail.


Best,

Erik Burggraaf
APlus certified technician and user support consultant
Call toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
Visit my all new website: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com

On 2010-04-06, at 1:59 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:



6 apr 2010 kl. 18.42 skrev erik burggraaf:

As you read through your mail vo will tell you if a message has a  
thread and whether it is expanded or collapsed.


How on Gods green earth do you do to get it to tell you that? I  
have worked with threaded mail ever since Leopard and it has never  
told me the message had threads, or am i misunderstanding things?

/Krister

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Re: -- snow leopard server

The idea does not sit with me that apple would produce an application or set of 
utilities for network management that were not accessible my guess is that they 
are. If this is the case, could you imagine what implications that could have 
on blindness network administration?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Chris Blouch 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:39 PM
  Subject: Re: -- snow leopard server

  From what I've read in the past the main differences with server are some 
nice GUI configuration tools and more services turned on by default. That means 
that with regular OSX you can do pretty much the same thing if you don't mind 
playing around in terminal a bit and are good with search engines. For web 
servers there is a common appliance viewpoint called LAMP or Linux, Apache, 
MySQL and PHP. The standard Mac already has all these things, just not all 
turned on, so there is very little in the web dev world you couldn't do on a 
stock Mac or MAMP setup. Macs also include an SSH server so you can ssh into 
another Mac and execute commands remotely. While all the users/groups/rights 
stuff would probably be easier with a GUI on OSX server, there is nothing 
preventing anyone from doing the same thing the old fashion way on plain old 
OSX.

  CB

  David McLean wrote: 
According to Gordon Smith on the Mac access list it is not very accessible and 
you'd be better off sticking with Snow Leopard.
On Apr 6, 2010, at 4:26 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

  Hi Listers,

I've just been looking at the mac mini server machine that is being
advertised on the apple website.

A mac mini 2.53 processor with 4gig ram and runningt the snow leopard
server os.

Has anyone used this OS and how usable is it with voice over?

Simon  

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Back in the early days it was all command line (terminal) driven anyway
so there really isn't much that can't be done that way. It's just going
to be easier to click the start button next to Websharing in the gui
than to bring up the terminal and type /usr/sbin/apachectl stop. Similar
things for server which makes admin easier with the GUI tools. That
said, I suspect they would make the apps accessible, but I haven't tired
it and I don't know anyone who has actually paid out for the more
expensive OSX Server.

Cody wrote:
The idea does not sit with me that apple would produce an application
or set of utilities for network management that were not accessible my
guess is that they are. If this is the case, could you imagine what
implications that could have on blindness network administration?

- Original Message -
*From:* Chris Blouch
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

*Sent:* Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:39 PM
*Subject:* Re: -- snow leopard server

From what I've read in the past the main differences with server
are some nice GUI configuration tools and more services turned on
by default. That means that with regular OSX you can do pretty
much the same thing if you don't mind playing around in terminal a
bit and are good with search engines. For web servers there is a
common appliance viewpoint called LAMP or Linux, Apache, MySQL and
PHP. The standard Mac already has all these things, just not all
turned on, so there is very little in the web dev world you
couldn't do on a stock Mac or MAMP setup. Macs also include an SSH
server so you can ssh into another Mac and execute commands
remotely. While all the users/groups/rights stuff would probably
be easier with a GUI on OSX server, there is nothing preventing
anyone from doing the same thing the old fashion way on plain old OSX.

David McLean wrote:

According to Gordon Smith on the Mac access list it is not very accessible
and you'd be better off sticking with Snow Leopard.
On Apr 6, 2010, at 4:26 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Hi Listers,

I've just been looking at the mac mini server machine that is being
advertised on the apple website.

A mac mini 2.53 processor with 4gig ram and runningt the snow leopard
server os.

Has anyone used this OS and how usable is it with voice over?

Simon

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Re: -- snow leopard server

This is true, but my point stands, if they're going to make these gui tools, 
why not make them accessible, regardless of the fact that it can be done with 
the cli
  - Original Message - 
  From: Chris Blouch 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 3:31 PM
  Subject: Re: -- snow leopard server

  Back in the early days it was all command line (terminal) driven anyway so 
there really isn't much that can't be done that way. It's just going to be 
easier to  click the start button next to Websharing in the gui than to bring 
up the terminal and type /usr/sbin/apachectl stop. Similar things for server 
which makes admin easier with the GUI tools. That said, I suspect they would 
make the apps accessible, but I haven't tired it and I don't know anyone who 
has actually paid out for the more expensive OSX Server.

  CB

  Cody wrote: 
The idea does not sit with me that apple would produce an application or 
set of utilities for network management that were not accessible my guess is 
that they are. If this is the case, could you imagine what implications that 
could have on blindness network administration?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Chris Blouch 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:39 PM
  Subject: Re: -- snow leopard server

  From what I've read in the past the main differences with server are some 
nice GUI configuration tools and more services turned on by default. That means 
that with regular OSX you can do pretty much the same thing if you don't mind 
playing around in terminal a bit and are good with search engines. For web 
servers there is a common appliance viewpoint called LAMP or Linux, Apache, 
MySQL and PHP. The standard Mac already has all these things, just not all 
turned on, so there is very little in the web dev world you couldn't do on a 
stock Mac or MAMP setup. Macs also include an SSH server so you can ssh into 
another Mac and execute commands remotely. While all the users/groups/rights 
stuff would probably be easier with a GUI on OSX server, there is nothing 
preventing anyone from doing the same thing the old fashion way on plain old 
OSX.

  CB

  David McLean wrote: 
According to Gordon Smith on the Mac access list it is not very accessible and 
you'd be better off sticking with Snow Leopard.
On Apr 6, 2010, at 4:26 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

  Hi Listers,

I've just been looking at the mac mini server machine that is being
advertised on the apple website.

A mac mini 2.53 processor with 4gig ram and runningt the snow leopard
server os.

Has anyone used this OS and how usable is it with voice over?

Simon  

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Re: Working with Apple Threaded Mail

2010-04-06 Thread matthew dyer

Hi,  To work with threads, just interact with the table and make sure 
that you are in the first colom in the row and vo space to expand or 
colaps the thread.  HTH.


Matthew



At 11:55 AM 4/6/2010, you wrote:

Hi All,

I would like to start working with having my email messages sorted 
by threads. I see the option in the view menu to check or uncheck 
threading. How does one work with threads with VoiceOver?


Thanks,

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Re: Used an iPad today

2010-04-06 Thread Robert Carter

Hi,

I am surprised that you feel that the iPad is over priced. It seems to me that 
Apple has really made a place for themselves in the lower priced devices with 
the introduction of the iPad. I personally think the price is impressive.

Robert Carter


On Apr 6, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Cody wrote:

> I think the idea is awesome in terms of accessibility and apple will 
> certainly get praises for that which they deserve, however I think the 
> product itself is a rip off. sure, it's $499, but then they plan to rape you 
> at the app counter, so yeah it's accessible alright, but is it worth a place 
> in your walet? We sometimes let accessibility over power our budgets because 
> we see something and think, wow, gotta have that one.
> 
> Cody
> - Original Message - From: "Bryan Smart" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:59 PM
> Subject: Used an iPad today
> 
> 
> I'd ordered the 3G model, so will be waiting a few more weeks yet, but I had 
> some time to play with a WiFi model today.
> 
> Generally, it's an iPhone. However, besides the screen size being increased, 
> the interface has increased in complexity, also. Apple is certainly using the 
> extra space to expand on what is possible with an iPhone type touch interface.
> 
> It took me only very little time to discover that portrait mode (which lots 
> of sighted users select), is probably not the best for a blind person. When 
> you're working with two hands, having more horizontal room seems to make more 
> of a difference when navigating. Fortunately, it is a snap to try either way 
> to see what works for you.
> 
> I absolutely agree with the posters that were talking about the horrible 
> oversight about the back plate of the iPad. It is almost nothing but shiny 
> aluminum. You're supposed to be able to set the iPad on a table to use it, 
> but I promise, the first time that you place it on any table that isn't 
> absolutely clear of small dirt particles, you'll pic it up to discover that 
> the slight motion of you pushing and sliding the iPad has ground the dirt 
> particles in to the back, and scratched the hell out of your shiny aluminum 
> back plate. Of course, you can buy the case to fix that. the case is a type 
> of thin and stiff coated particle board that feels a lot like a traditional 
> print notebook. One side snugly holds the iPad, and the other side is a flap 
> that covers the iPad screen when closed. I suppose that most people will want 
> the case to protect the screen when traveling, anyway. If you go without the 
> case, though, you are absolutely asking for it. Apple could have put 
> something on the back to make the iPad more stable. Maybe not rubber feet, 
> but they could have gone with a felt square in the center, a stylized strip 
> of some high friction material, etc. The curved back will insure that the 
> iPad wobbles on the table, and the glossy case will absolutely scratch.
> 
> VoiceOver sounded about the same, and responded with the same speed, pretty 
> much. The speaker was very clear. Didn't get to play music with it, but I 
> hear the bass is poor. Still, speech is pretty good through the built-in 
> speakers.
> 
> However, it seemed to me that iPad programs opened more slowly than on the 
> iPhone. Maybe there is more information to load? However, with more memory 
> and a faster processor, I wasn't expecting that.
> 
> I wasn't dramatically blown away by the applications that were available on 
> it, but working with a big talking touch screen interface started me dreaming 
> about things that *could* be accomplished with a device like that. Many 
> people might not need the iPad for web surfing or checking e-mail, but I 
> think that, eventually, there will be some very unique uses for the iPad.
> 
> Bryan
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Re: Used an iPad today

I enver said it was over priced. what I did say was even though the iPad is 
inexpensive at $499, they plan to rape you at the app counter, so you'll 
suffer the prices for the apps
- Original Message - 
From: "Robert Carter" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: Used an iPad today

Hi,

I am surprised that you feel that the iPad is over priced. It seems to me 
that Apple has really made a place for themselves in the lower priced 
devices with the introduction of the iPad. I personally think the price is 
impressive.

Robert Carter

On Apr 6, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Cody wrote:

I think the idea is awesome in terms of accessibility and apple will 
certainly get praises for that which they deserve, however I think the 
product itself is a rip off. sure, it's $499, but then they plan to rape 
you at the app counter, so yeah it's accessible alright, but is it worth a 
place in your walet? We sometimes let accessibility over power our budgets 
because we see something and think, wow, gotta have that one.

Cody
- Original Message - From: "Bryan Smart" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:59 PM
Subject: Used an iPad today

I'd ordered the 3G model, so will be waiting a few more weeks yet, but I 
had some time to play with a WiFi model today.

Generally, it's an iPhone. However, besides the screen size being 
increased, the interface has increased in complexity, also. Apple is 
certainly using the extra space to expand on what is possible with an 
iPhone type touch interface.

It took me only very little time to discover that portrait mode (which 
lots of sighted users select), is probably not the best for a blind 
person. When you're working with two hands, having more horizontal room 
seems to make more of a difference when navigating. Fortunately, it is a 
snap to try either way to see what works for you.

I absolutely agree with the posters that were talking about the horrible 
oversight about the back plate of the iPad. It is almost nothing but shiny 
aluminum. You're supposed to be able to set the iPad on a table to use it, 
but I promise, the first time that you place it on any table that isn't 
absolutely clear of small dirt particles, you'll pic it up to discover 
that the slight motion of you pushing and sliding the iPad has ground the 
dirt particles in to the back, and scratched the hell out of your shiny 
aluminum back plate. Of course, you can buy the case to fix that. the case 
is a type of thin and stiff coated particle board that feels a lot like a 
traditional print notebook. One side snugly holds the iPad, and the other 
side is a flap that covers the iPad screen when closed. I suppose that 
most people will want the case to protect the screen when traveling, 
anyway. If you go without the case, though, you are absolutely asking for 
it. Apple could have put something on the back to make the iPad more 
stable. Maybe not rubber feet, but they could have gone with a felt square 
in the center, a stylized strip of some high friction material, etc. The 
curved back will insure that the iPad wobbles on the table, and the glossy 
case will absolutely scratch.

VoiceOver sounded about the same, and responded with the same speed, 
pretty much. The speaker was very clear. Didn't get to play music with it, 
but I hear the bass is poor. Still, speech is pretty good through the 
built-in speakers.

However, it seemed to me that iPad programs opened more slowly than on the 
iPhone. Maybe there is more information to load? However, with more memory 
and a faster processor, I wasn't expecting that.

I wasn't dramatically blown away by the applications that were available 
on it, but working with a big talking touch screen interface started me 
dreaming about things that *could* be accomplished with a device like 
that. Many people might not need the iPad for web surfing or checking 
e-mail, but I think that, eventually, there will be some very unique uses 
for the iPad.

Bryan

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RE: Used an iPad today

2010-04-06 Thread Joe Plummer

Why you say ATT is going to rip you at the counter. As I understand it you
can get it with or without a data plan and the data plan does not as of now
have to be a contract. I understand it will be able to have two plans one
for 30 bucks and one for 15 bucks either can be cancelled at any time. I
also think you could just put your sim card out of one of your other devices
in it and trade it back and forth between the devices. The last part is a
thought in this message.


Sign,
JP ( Joe Plummer)
joeplum...@tds.net


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cody
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 3:24 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Used an iPad today

I think the idea is awesome in terms of accessibility and apple will 
certainly get praises for that which they deserve, however I think the 
product itself is a rip off. sure, it's $499, but then they plan to rape you

at the app counter, so yeah it's accessible alright, but is it worth a place

in your walet? We sometimes let accessibility over power our budgets because

we see something and think, wow, gotta have that one.

Cody
- Original Message - 
From: "Bryan Smart" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:59 PM
Subject: Used an iPad today


I'd ordered the 3G model, so will be waiting a few more weeks yet, but I had

some time to play with a WiFi model today.

Generally, it's an iPhone. However, besides the screen size being increased,

the interface has increased in complexity, also. Apple is certainly using 
the extra space to expand on what is possible with an iPhone type touch 
interface.

It took me only very little time to discover that portrait mode (which lots 
of sighted users select), is probably not the best for a blind person. When 
you're working with two hands, having more horizontal room seems to make 
more of a difference when navigating. Fortunately, it is a snap to try 
either way to see what works for you.

I absolutely agree with the posters that were talking about the horrible 
oversight about the back plate of the iPad. It is almost nothing but shiny 
aluminum. You're supposed to be able to set the iPad on a table to use it, 
but I promise, the first time that you place it on any table that isn't 
absolutely clear of small dirt particles, you'll pic it up to discover that 
the slight motion of you pushing and sliding the iPad has ground the dirt 
particles in to the back, and scratched the hell out of your shiny aluminum 
back plate. Of course, you can buy the case to fix that. the case is a type 
of thin and stiff coated particle board that feels a lot like a traditional 
print notebook. One side snugly holds the iPad, and the other side is a flap

that covers the iPad screen when closed. I suppose that most people will 
want the case to protect the screen when traveling, anyway. If you go 
without the case, though, you are absolutely asking for it. Apple could have

put something on the back to make the iPad more stable. Maybe not rubber 
feet, but they could have gone with a felt square in the center, a stylized 
strip of some high friction material, etc. The curved back will insure that 
the iPad wobbles on the table, and the glossy case will absolutely scratch.

VoiceOver sounded about the same, and responded with the same speed, pretty 
much. The speaker was very clear. Didn't get to play music with it, but I 
hear the bass is poor. Still, speech is pretty good through the built-in 
speakers.

However, it seemed to me that iPad programs opened more slowly than on the 
iPhone. Maybe there is more information to load? However, with more memory 
and a faster processor, I wasn't expecting that.

I wasn't dramatically blown away by the applications that were available on 
it, but working with a big talking touch screen interface started me 
dreaming about things that *could* be accomplished with a device like that. 
Many people might not need the iPad for web surfing or checking e-mail, but 
I think that, eventually, there will be some very unique uses for the iPad.

Bryan

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Re: Used an iPad today

Not ATT, I'm talking about Apple. the price is so low that they need to make 
up for it some how. you can't justify the price difference between the 
macbook air and the iPad. They have intentions, just wait and we'll see
- Original Message - 
From: "Joe Plummer" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 4:09 PM
Subject: RE: Used an iPad today

Why you say ATT is going to rip you at the counter. As I understand it you
can get it with or without a data plan and the data plan does not as of 
now

have to be a contract. I understand it will be able to have two plans one
for 30 bucks and one for 15 bucks either can be cancelled at any time. I
also think you could just put your sim card out of one of your other 
devices

in it and trade it back and forth between the devices. The last part is a
thought in this message.

Sign,
JP ( Joe Plummer)
joeplum...@tds.net

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cody
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 3:24 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Used an iPad today

I think the idea is awesome in terms of accessibility and apple will
certainly get praises for that which they deserve, however I think the
product itself is a rip off. sure, it's $499, but then they plan to rape 
you

at the app counter, so yeah it's accessible alright, but is it worth a 
place

in your walet? We sometimes let accessibility over power our budgets 
because

we see something and think, wow, gotta have that one.

Cody
- Original Message - 
From: "Bryan Smart" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:59 PM
Subject: Used an iPad today

I'd ordered the 3G model, so will be waiting a few more weeks yet, but I 
had

some time to play with a WiFi model today.

Generally, it's an iPhone. However, besides the screen size being 
increased,

the interface has increased in complexity, also. Apple is certainly using
the extra space to expand on what is possible with an iPhone type touch
interface.

It took me only very little time to discover that portrait mode (which 
lots
of sighted users select), is probably not the best for a blind person. 
When

you're working with two hands, having more horizontal room seems to make
more of a difference when navigating. Fortunately, it is a snap to try
either way to see what works for you.

I absolutely agree with the posters that were talking about the horrible
oversight about the back plate of the iPad. It is almost nothing but shiny
aluminum. You're supposed to be able to set the iPad on a table to use it,
but I promise, the first time that you place it on any table that isn't
absolutely clear of small dirt particles, you'll pic it up to discover 
that

the slight motion of you pushing and sliding the iPad has ground the dirt
particles in to the back, and scratched the hell out of your shiny 
aluminum
back plate. Of course, you can buy the case to fix that. the case is a 
type
of thin and stiff coated particle board that feels a lot like a 
traditional
print notebook. One side snugly holds the iPad, and the other side is a 
flap

that covers the iPad screen when closed. I suppose that most people will
want the case to protect the screen when traveling, anyway. If you go
without the case, though, you are absolutely asking for it. Apple could 
have

put something on the back to make the iPad more stable. Maybe not rubber
feet, but they could have gone with a felt square in the center, a 
stylized
strip of some high friction material, etc. The curved back will insure 
that
the iPad wobbles on the table, and the glossy case will absolutely 
scratch.

VoiceOver sounded about the same, and responded with the same speed, 
pretty

much. The speaker was very clear. Didn't get to play music with it, but I
hear the bass is poor. Still, speech is pretty good through the built-in
speakers.

However, it seemed to me that iPad programs opened more slowly than on the
iPhone. Maybe there is more information to load? However, with more memory
and a faster processor, I wasn't expecting that.

I wasn't dramatically blown away by the applications that were available 
on

it, but working with a big talking touch screen interface started me
dreaming about things that *could* be accomplished with a device like 
that.
Many people might not need the iPad for web surfing or checking e-mail, 
but
I think that, eventually, there will be some very unique uses for the 
iPad.

Bryan

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Ipad and Bluetooth Keyboard

2010-04-06 Thread David McLean

Hello, I was wondering if anyone else has used a bluetooth keyboard with the 
ipad?
I bought one and paired it today but it only seems to work with edit fields and 
others where the onscreen keyboard would be used.  It doesn't seem to work with 
any of the standard VO commands.
This may well be as designed but I am just curious if I'm missing anything.

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Re: originator of the my mac mini thread

2010-04-06 Thread Scott Howell

Yeah, I am considering a Mini at some point as a media center as well. I first 
have to rip every DVD we own to a central storage location to make this really 
work. Yeah, all the DVDs go into storage and I gain space and instant access to 
all the movies. So, when we're all bored and want to watch something, we could 
without having to sit in front of the shelf trying to find that damn title 
buried back in the M section. Better yet, if we're bored and everyone wants to 
watch something different, they can go to their respective computers and do 
that as well.
Ah, all these grand ideas. :)

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Re: Used an iPad today

2010-04-06 Thread Scott Howell

And do you have evidence that Apple will "rape" you at the App Counter?  I 
think offering the iWork suite for the iPad at $10 per app is a very fair 
price. I am not sure what developers will charge for their apps exactly, but I 
gather the prices will not be substantially different than what is charged for 
iPhone/iPod Touch apps. I think you have to put into perspective the cost of 
the apps for the iPad vs the cost of an app for a typical 
laptop/netbook/desktop machine. If all the apps for example offered on the iPad 
were  of the same type you get on the iPhone now, but instead of $.99 or $1.99 
the same app cost $25 or $30, then you would have made a very valid argument.
Does this make sense?

On Apr 6, 2010, at 3:58 PM, Cody wrote:

> I enver said it was over priced. what I did say was even though the iPad is 
> inexpensive at $499, they plan to rape you at the app counter, so you'll 
> suffer the prices for the apps

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Re: Working with Apple Threaded Mail

I personally find right arrowing a lot easier then vo space on that triangle. 
eather method works though.
On Apr 6, 2010, at 12:56 PM, matthew dyer wrote:

> Hi,  To work with threads, just interact with the table and make sure that 
> you are in the first colom in the row and vo space to expand or colaps the 
> thread.  HTH.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> At 11:55 AM 4/6/2010, you wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I would like to start working with having my email messages sorted by 
>> threads. I see the option in the view menu to check or uncheck threading. 
>> How does one work with threads with VoiceOver?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Robert Carter
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Re: Ipad and Bluetooth Keyboard

2010-04-06 Thread Ricardo Walker

Hi,

This is the way it was meant to work.
On Apr 6, 2010, at 5:16 PM, David McLean wrote:

> Hello, I was wondering if anyone else has used a bluetooth keyboard with the 
> ipad?
> I bought one and paired it today but it only seems to work with edit fields 
> and others where the onscreen keyboard would be used.  It doesn't seem to 
> work with any of the standard VO commands.
> This may well be as designed but I am just curious if I'm missing anything.
> 
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a safari question

Hey there all. let's say someone gives me a direct link in a skype chat to a 
file. I right click and tell skype to copy the link to my clipboard. Now I go 
in to safari and paste the link in to the command l address bar and the thing 
instead of downloading streams instead. is there a way around this?

Thanks.

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RE: Ipad and Bluetooth Keyboard

2010-04-06 Thread Frank Ventura

Has anyone gotten a Bluetooth Braille keyboard (like the Easylink or
Humanware Braille keyboard) to work on the Ipad or Iphone?

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Subject: Re: Ipad and Bluetooth Keyboard

Hi,

This is the way it was meant to work.
On Apr 6, 2010, at 5:16 PM, David McLean wrote:

> Hello, I was wondering if anyone else has used a bluetooth keyboard
with the ipad?
> I bought one and paired it today but it only seems to work with edit
fields and others where the onscreen keyboard would be used.  It doesn't
seem to work with any of the standard VO commands.
> This may well be as designed but I am just curious if I'm missing
anything.
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RE: Help with audacity

2010-04-06 Thread Frank Ventura

Yes I got the accessible version. Thank you very much for the link to
the manual.
Frank

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Subject: Re: Help with audacity

Hi Frank,

check out www.icanworkthisthing.com  There is a good manual there.  And
did you download the accessible version from
http://audacity.homerow.net/index.php?dir=accessible ?

hth
On Apr 3, 2010, at 8:30 PM, Frank Ventura wrote:

> Hi can anyone point me in the direction of some help or tutorials on
> using Audacity. Specifically I would like to know the keyboard
shortcuts
> for starting, pausing and stopping recording and maybe the basics on
how
> to edit tracks.
> Tia
> Frank
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importing loops in garage band

2010-04-06 Thread chad baker

Hi not sure if its accessible to us is there a way to import loops in garage 
band and what file types are supported?

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Re: importing loops in garage band

2010-04-06 Thread Ricardo Walker

Hi,

Yes it is very accessible once you get the hang of it.  You can use AIFF, WAV, 
MP3, MID, and AAC.  It might support others but I don't know.  You got to use 
iTunes to import your own files into garageband.
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> band and what file types are supported?
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Re: Used an iPad today

2010-04-06 Thread Karen Lewellen


It does seem like a fine deal.
But, what can you now do with an ipad that you could not do with any other 
apple tool you already own?  That is for those who own many.

Not being provocative, just wondering.
When I consider investing in a new technical tool it is because there is 
something  I wish to accomplish that I cannot presently with any tool I 
have.

Hence the question.
Karen

On Tue, 6 Apr 2010, Scott Howell wrote:


And do you have evidence that Apple will "rape" you at the App Counter?  I 
think offering the iWork suite for the iPad at $10 per app is a very fair price. I am not 
sure what developers will charge for their apps exactly, but I gather the prices will not 
be substantially different than what is charged for iPhone/iPod Touch apps. I think you 
have to put into perspective the cost of the apps for the iPad vs the cost of an app for 
a typical laptop/netbook/desktop machine. If all the apps for example offered on the iPad 
were  of the same type you get on the iPhone now, but instead of $.99 or $1.99 the same 
app cost $25 or $30, then you would have made a very valid argument.
Does this make sense?

On Apr 6, 2010, at 3:58 PM, Cody wrote:


I enver said it was over priced. what I did say was even though the iPad is 
inexpensive at $499, they plan to rape you at the app counter, so you'll suffer 
the prices for the apps


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Re: Working with Apple Threaded Mail

Hello all:
How does Mail determine that a message belongs to a specific thread?
I don't get a lot of mail and I don't subscribe to the mail from this
list.  But when I changed to the threaded view it seems to have
threaded the messages on the domain name, which could be behavior
uncalled for.
I wish there was some kind of id, a thread id, by which it could
'thread' incoming and outgoing messages together.  The Gmail client
seems to do a good job of that.
Am I missing something here?  If so, I probably just made a fool of
myself. :)

Thanks,
mani

On Apr 6, 3:26 pm, Esther  wrote:
> Hello Robert, Krister, Erik, and Others,
>
> Erik has used the "View" menu option to select "Organize by thread".  
> He's talking about information in the Message Viewer table.
>
> I find that the only high volume mail I get is from this list and from  
> the viphone list, and if I want to view my mail in unthreaded format,  
> I can still move up and down the thread in the message viewer if I use  
> Option+Up Arrow or Option+Down Arrow on my MacBook to move to the next  
> or previous post in the thread (depends on how you have your messages  
> sorted in the viewer table -- this is when I sort on "Date Received"  
> so that the latest messages show up at the top of the table.  Another  
> tip is that if you continue to hold down Option+Up or Down arrow keys  
> for a bit, you'll move to the top or bottom of the list .  That tip  
> came from Apple's Accessibility team, but it's a general Mac feature.
>
> The best description of mail features and shortcuts in practical use  
> that I've found is in the "Take Control of Apple Mail in Leopard"  
> guide.  The updated version of the guide for Snow Leopard is not  
> available yet.  Here's the link to the page for the Leopard guide:
>
> http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/leopard-apple-mail
>
> For new users, the "Take Control" series are DRM-free, downloadable  
> PDF guides that are very reasonably priced (usually $10 or $15 list,  
> and often discounts are available).  On some topics, such as wireless  
> networking and mail, they include information that I haven't seen  
> elsewhere.  And some guide topics, like how to use the command line in  
> terminal, just aren't published elsewhere with the same focus.
>
> I don't remember where I found out about the Option+arrow key  
> navigation for threads, though.  Occasionally I come across keystroke  
> combinations that I don't recall reading about elsewhere, like using Fn
> +Right arrow to move to the Trash when I'm in the Dock, or Fn+Down  
> arrow to cycle through the sections of the Dock to quickly get to  
> files and folders in the Dock if I'm at one of the applications, etc.
>
> HTH
>
> Cheers,
>
> Esther
>
>
>
> erik burggraaf wrote:
> > Hi,  It's always done this on my mac, and it does on my roommate's  
> > as well.  I don't know any one else who uses threading.  Most of my  
> > mac wielding clients don't get enough email to need to worry about  
> > it.  You should get an indicater from mail to show that a message  
> > has a thread. Unless for some reason the column that shows the  
> > status isn't checked in mail.
>
> > Best,
>
> > Erik Burggraaf
> > APlus certified technician and user support consultant
> > Call toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
> > Visit my all new website:http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
> > Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com
>
> > On 2010-04-06, at 1:59 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>
> >> 6 apr 2010 kl. 18.42 skrev erik burggraaf:
>
> >>> As you read through your mail vo will tell you if a message has a  
> >>> thread and whether it is expanded or collapsed.
>
> >> How on Gods green earth do you do to get it to tell you that? I  
> >> have worked with threaded mail ever since Leopard and it has never  
> >> told me the message had threads, or am i misunderstanding things?
> >> /Krister
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Re: Used an iPad today