RE: How to set up Microsoft Exchange email in IPhone?
Jes, What is it you neeed to know. The exchange setup / ms mail account setup is very easy on an iphone. So long of course if you have the details for your exchange server. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jess Sent: Sunday, 14 February 2010 10:08 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: How to set up Microsoft Exchange email in IPhone? Can someone guide me on how to set up an email account that uses Exchange on the IPhone? My college email uses this, and their website is just not efficient. I'd rather be able to send email straight from the IPhone's mail program, or better yet, the mail app from the Mac instead of having to go through the website. Thanks Jes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is there enough VO support in I Work to justify the cost
Hi Pete, On 14 Feb 2010, at 05:20, Pete Nalda wrote: > ...it's the developers duty to program within the Cocoa framework so that > everything becomes accessible by VO *and* Zoom... I thought that all the developers had to program in CoCo now as Mac OS X is 100% CoCo. Thanks TC James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny > I don't think it's going too far off topic, maybe a little since I'm speaking > of Zoom, but we're still talking about word processors. While I agree that > Apple should take steps to make zoom work properly with pages, I think other > with other programs, it's the developers duty to program within the Cocoa > framework so that everything becomes accessible by VO *and* Zoom Users. I > also agree that having both Zoom and VO working together is *Very* > competitive to a Zootext/screenreader package on windows. Apple has done a > great deal to make Zoom one of the best full screen magnifiers available, and > as I sit here typing this email effortlessly with zoom, I think about all the > other productivity I get done on my machine and am grateful for that. We get > access, and the luxury of using probably the Best UI in the world (ok I know > I sound like a fanboy here, but I just never had much *fun* with windows or > linux). That said, here's to hoping for further advances, and yes I'll > surely do my part whenever possible. > > > On Feb 13, 2010, at 6:21 PM, Mueller, Matt wrote: > >> I've experienced the same issue in Pages and in Bean as well, though I have >> used both with VO successfully. Sadly, many such issues exist in zoom, most >> of them very basic to its use. Although I've reported these, I've seen no >> change in its performance since Tiger. To my thinking, the Zoom/VoiceOver >> combination has great potential for the ZoomText and MAGic audiences, but >> the commitment isn't there. I would urge you and any others who have an >> interest in seeing that potential realized to report issues and make sure >> Apple gets the message. I'll get off of this soapbox now and refrain from >> pulling this thread way OT. >> >> On Feb 13, 2010, at 2:31 PM, Pete Nalda wrote: >> >>> Will do! I'll be curious to see how that works with VO as well, as I use a >>> combination of both at a lot of times. Thanks for the tip! >>> >>> On Feb 13, 2010, at 2:13 PM, VaShaun Jones wrote: >>> You can also check out a free word processor called Bean. Its allot more than simple. On Feb 13, 2010, at 2:33 PM, Pete Nalda wrote: > This isn't really VO related, but, is accessibility related, but not too > long ago, I was in the Apple store and was trying out Pages on a machine > there, using Zoom, and much to my disappointment, didn't allow for cursor > tracking with Zoom. I thought, well, so much for advanced word > processing or desktop publishing, If I wanted that I'd have to migrate > back to Windows, Word, and ZoomText, or just do simple word processing > with Textedit. > > On Feb 13, 2010, at 10:17 AM, VaShaun Jones wrote: > >> I feel this is a great idea. It is time for us to speak out as a whole >> on the I Work accessibility issues especially with the I Pad having I >> Work support. >> On Feb 12, 2010, at 7:26 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> And I would point out that any concerns should be directed to Apple. >>> THe more folks have to say about these issues, the more likely they get >>> addressed sooner than later. I have been sending feedback to >>> accessibil...@apple.com and via support as well. >>> On Feb 12, 2010, at 4:43 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: >>> Hi, Both comments and styles work fine with vo and pages. There are a few hang-ups however. 1. Vo can't see bullets or numbers in auto bulleted or numbered lists. 2. You can't use vo to read or do any operations on in-line objects: objects embedded in the document. That being said however, you can read and use objects to a large degree if the are floating. In the later case, they are in the lay-out area. There ways to make an in-line object floating and there are indications that an object is present in a document because vo will say "hi-lited" hen you move the insertion point of it. 3. Templates seem totally unusable to me. Someone else might have a better handle on that but there seems to be things like text boxes with in-line text boxes. So it's not a nice situation for vo. As it stands, I think that document creation using vo is very doable. Due to the problems I mentioned however, I think that collaborative writing projects, or any situation where you will have to read a document that someone else did using Word, will be problematic. On Feb 12, 2010, at 1:21
question about mail and IMAP
Hi list, I hope this question is not off topic. I am having a bit of an issue with the mail application and IMAP settings. Maybe I am doing something wrong here but if anyone could help with this, that would be greatly appreciated. I have set up my gmail account in mail using IMAP. However, I am not sure of my settings because whenever I delete messages in the "all mail folder", they keep coming back, even after I have deleted the trash. Either there's something wrong with my settings or could this mean I have to go into my gmail account on the website and delete the messages in the "all mail folder" there? If anyone could help me solve this mystery, I'd be very grateful. Thanks and have a good one. Lyn & Twinny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: question about mail and IMAP
Yes, you will need to go to Google email site to do this. You really don't need to delete the trash in Google because it does it auto every 30 days that each message is 30 days old. The way I understand it is your spam, trash folder and your sent mail and all mail folder under your Google name account in the what ever mail client you are using these are just showing up on your computer they are not really on it. I think you can find more out in the help session of your Google email account. I use IMAP in outlook 2003 and outlook 2007 for my Google accounts at home and work and this seems to be what it is for me. So I don't never worry about the other folders just my inbox. Unless I need to look up something I deleted or sent. Hope this helps some. Sign, JP ( Joe Plummer) joeplum...@tds.net -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lyn & Twinny Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:11 AM To: Mac Visionaries Subject: question about mail and IMAP Hi list, I hope this question is not off topic. I am having a bit of an issue with the mail application and IMAP settings. Maybe I am doing something wrong here but if anyone could help with this, that would be greatly appreciated. I have set up my gmail account in mail using IMAP. However, I am not sure of my settings because whenever I delete messages in the "all mail folder", they keep coming back, even after I have deleted the trash. Either there's something wrong with my settings or could this mean I have to go into my gmail account on the website and delete the messages in the "all mail folder" there? If anyone could help me solve this mystery, I'd be very grateful. Thanks and have a good one. Lyn & Twinny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: question about mail and IMAP
Thanks a lot Joe. I understand the concept better now. Take care, Lyn & Twinny On Feb 14, 2010, at 2:58 PM, Joe Plummer wrote: > Yes, you will need to go to Google email site to do this. You really don't > need to delete the trash in Google because it does it auto every 30 days > that each message is 30 days old. The way I understand it is your spam, > trash folder and your sent mail and all mail folder under your Google name > account in the what ever mail client you are using these are just showing up > on your computer they are not really on it. I think you can find more out in > the help session of your Google email account. I use IMAP in outlook 2003 > and outlook 2007 for my Google accounts at home and work and this seems to > be what it is for me. So I don't never worry about the other folders just my > inbox. Unless I need to look up something I deleted or sent. Hope this helps > some. > > > > > Sign, > JP ( Joe Plummer) > joeplum...@tds.net > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lyn & Twinny > Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:11 AM > To: Mac Visionaries > Subject: question about mail and IMAP > > Hi list, > > I hope this question is not off topic. I am having a bit of an issue with > the mail application and IMAP settings. Maybe I am doing something wrong > here but if anyone could help with this, that would be greatly appreciated. > I have set up my gmail account in mail using IMAP. However, I am not sure > of my settings because whenever I delete messages in the "all mail folder", > they keep coming back, even after I have deleted the trash. Either there's > something wrong with my settings or could this mean I have to go into my > gmail account on the website and delete the messages in the "all mail > folder" there? If anyone could help me solve this mystery, I'd be very > grateful. > > Thanks and have a good one. > > Lyn & Twinny > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is there enough VO support in I Work to justify the cost
Its OK to be a fan boy I sure am one. They will make it happen if we push for it. We are almost there and from Tiger to SL we have made great strides. Lets go!!! On Feb 14, 2010, at 12:20 AM, Pete Nalda wrote: > I don't think it's going too far off topic, maybe a little since I'm speaking > of Zoom, but we're still talking about word processors. While I agree that > Apple should take steps to make zoom work properly with pages, I think other > with other programs, it's the developers duty to program within the Cocoa > framework so that everything becomes accessible by VO *and* Zoom Users. I > also agree that having both Zoom and VO working together is *Very* > competitive to a Zootext/screenreader package on windows. Apple has done a > great deal to make Zoom one of the best full screen magnifiers available, and > as I sit here typing this email effortlessly with zoom, I think about all the > other productivity I get done on my machine and am grateful for that. We get > access, and the luxury of using probably the Best UI in the world (ok I know > I sound like a fanboy here, but I just never had much *fun* with windows or > linux). That said, here's to hoping for further advances, and yes I'll > surely do my part whenever possible. > > > On Feb 13, 2010, at 6:21 PM, Mueller, Matt wrote: > >> I've experienced the same issue in Pages and in Bean as well, though I have >> used both with VO successfully. Sadly, many such issues exist in zoom, most >> of them very basic to its use. Although I've reported these, I've seen no >> change in its performance since Tiger. To my thinking, the Zoom/VoiceOver >> combination has great potential for the ZoomText and MAGic audiences, but >> the commitment isn't there. I would urge you and any others who have an >> interest in seeing that potential realized to report issues and make sure >> Apple gets the message. I'll get off of this soapbox now and refrain from >> pulling this thread way OT. >> >> On Feb 13, 2010, at 2:31 PM, Pete Nalda wrote: >> >>> Will do! I'll be curious to see how that works with VO as well, as I use a >>> combination of both at a lot of times. Thanks for the tip! >>> >>> On Feb 13, 2010, at 2:13 PM, VaShaun Jones wrote: >>> You can also check out a free word processor called Bean. Its allot more than simple. On Feb 13, 2010, at 2:33 PM, Pete Nalda wrote: > This isn't really VO related, but, is accessibility related, but not too > long ago, I was in the Apple store and was trying out Pages on a machine > there, using Zoom, and much to my disappointment, didn't allow for cursor > tracking with Zoom. I thought, well, so much for advanced word > processing or desktop publishing, If I wanted that I'd have to migrate > back to Windows, Word, and ZoomText, or just do simple word processing > with Textedit. > > On Feb 13, 2010, at 10:17 AM, VaShaun Jones wrote: > >> I feel this is a great idea. It is time for us to speak out as a whole >> on the I Work accessibility issues especially with the I Pad having I >> Work support. >> On Feb 12, 2010, at 7:26 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> And I would point out that any concerns should be directed to Apple. >>> THe more folks have to say about these issues, the more likely they get >>> addressed sooner than later. I have been sending feedback to >>> accessibil...@apple.com and via support as well. >>> On Feb 12, 2010, at 4:43 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: >>> Hi, Both comments and styles work fine with vo and pages. There are a few hang-ups however. 1. Vo can't see bullets or numbers in auto bulleted or numbered lists. 2. You can't use vo to read or do any operations on in-line objects: objects embedded in the document. That being said however, you can read and use objects to a large degree if the are floating. In the later case, they are in the lay-out area. There ways to make an in-line object floating and there are indications that an object is present in a document because vo will say "hi-lited" hen you move the insertion point of it. 3. Templates seem totally unusable to me. Someone else might have a better handle on that but there seems to be things like text boxes with in-line text boxes. So it's not a nice situation for vo. As it stands, I think that document creation using vo is very doable. Due to the problems I mentioned however, I think that collaborative writing projects, or any situation where you will have to read a document that someone else did using Word, will be problematic. On Feb 12, 2010, at 1:21 PM, VaShaun Jones wrote: > Listers, > > I am thinking of pur
Re: question about mail and IMAP
You have to map the mailbox for deleted items to the trash folder so their is only one folder for deleting messages. You do this by going to the G-Mail trash folder and click on use this mailbox for sub menu under mailboxes on the mail menu and select trash. There are some other settings and when I locate the article I'll forward it to you. HTH On Feb 14, 2010, at 8:11 AM, Lyn & Twinny wrote: > Hi list, > > I hope this question is not off topic. I am having a bit of an issue with > the mail application and IMAP settings. Maybe I am doing something wrong > here but if anyone could help with this, that would be greatly appreciated. > I have set up my gmail account in mail using IMAP. However, I am not sure of > my settings because whenever I delete messages in the "all mail folder", they > keep coming back, even after I have deleted the trash. Either there's > something wrong with my settings or could this mean I have to go into my > gmail account on the website and delete the messages in the "all mail folder" > there? If anyone could help me solve this mystery, I'd be very grateful. > > Thanks and have a good one. > > Lyn & Twinny > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
certain submit buttons and Voiceover
Hello. I have been lurking for a while. I am interested in how well Voiceover is faring in comparison to JAWS and stuff. I did have a question. I have a friend who uses Voiceover and is trying to sign the petition located at http://www.talknav.com/protest She says the submit button does not show up, or it's there but it doesn't work. I was going to let the folks know who are running the petition, but I wondered if I could get any more details as to why the submit button does not show up. Thanks. Carin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: certain submit buttons and Voiceover
Carin, It worked for me no problem here using sl and the latest safari. The button is called sign, not submit. I was able to press VO Space on it and it submitted the form properly and redirected me to the success page informing me that an email would be sent for confirmation. Best, erik burggraaf A+ certified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 2010-02-14, at 10:21 AM, Carin Headrick wrote: > Hello. I have been lurking for a while. I am interested in how well Voiceover > is faring in comparison to JAWS and stuff. > > I did have a question. I have a friend who uses Voiceover and is trying to > sign the petition located athttp://www.talknav.com/protest > > She says the submit button does not show up, or it's there but it doesn't > work. I was going to let the folks know who are running the petition, but I > wondered if I could get any more details as to why the submit button does not > show up. > > Thanks. > > Carin > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email > tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
software update issue
Hey all, Brandon and I are having a strange issue trying to check for software updates. Software update thinks we are not connected to the internet even though we are connected fully with our browsers and email and messengers. What could be the problem here? Thanks, Chantel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: certain submit buttons and Voiceover
Hmmm. This person has the OS before Snow. Would that make a difference? Thanks. Carin - Original Message - From: erik burggraaf To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:31 AM Subject: Re: certain submit buttons and Voiceover Carin, It worked for me no problem here using sl and the latest safari. The button is called sign, not submit. I was able to press VO Space on it and it submitted the form properly and redirected me to the success page informing me that an email would be sent for confirmation. Best, erik burggraaf A+ certified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 2010-02-14, at 10:21 AM, Carin Headrick wrote: Hello. I have been lurking for a while. I am interested in how well Voiceover is faring in comparison to JAWS and stuff. I did have a question. I have a friend who uses Voiceover and is trying to sign the petition located athttp://www.talknav.com/protest She says the submit button does not show up, or it's there but it doesn't work. I was going to let the folks know who are running the petition, but I wondered if I could get any more details as to why the submit button does not show up. Thanks. Carin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: certain submit buttons and Voiceover
I clicked the link you provided & you correct there is no "submit" button instead there is a "sign" button. I discovered all using my iPhone. HTH Good luck Aloha, Charlie On Feb 14, 2010, at 5:21 AM, "Carin Headrick" wrote: Hello. I have been lurking for a while. I am interested in how well Voiceover is faring in comparison to JAWS and stuff. I did have a question. I have a friend who uses Voiceover and is trying to sign the petition located at http://www.talknav.com/protest She says the submit button does not show up, or it's there but it doesn't work. I was going to let the folks know who are running the petition, but I wondered if I could get any more details as to why the submit button does not show up. Thanks. Carin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: certain submit buttons and Voiceover
It;s a problem with form code. Others have ben having problems with it also. On Feb 14, 2010, at 10:21 AM, Carin Headrick wrote: > Hello. I have been lurking for a while. I am interested in how well Voiceover > is faring in comparison to JAWS and stuff. > > I did have a question. I have a friend who uses Voiceover and is trying to > sign the petition located at http://www.talknav.com/protest > > She says the submit button does not show up, or it's there but it doesn't > work. I was going to let the folks know who are running the petition, but I > wondered if I could get any more details as to why the submit button does not > show up. > > Thanks. > > Carin > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: certain submit buttons and Voiceover
Sorry, I don't have a leopard machine to test it on. It might make a difference, because accessibility made tremendous strides in SL, but I seriously doubt it. I never had problems with submit buttons not showing up and I don't recall seeing mention of it. That by no means proves the problem didn't exist, but I see a fare number of macs in the coarse of my training gig and none of them reported such a thing. In the event, why would your friend the mack user be running leopard at this stage? Is there some compadibility issue preventing them from upgrading? Best, erik burggraaf A+ certified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 2010-02-14, at 10:44 AM, Carin Headrick wrote: > Hmmm. This person has the OS before Snow. Would that make a difference? > > Thanks. > > Carin > - Original Message - > From: erik burggraaf > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:31 AM > Subject: Re: certain submit buttons and Voiceover > > Carin, > > It worked for me no problem here using sl and the latest safari. The button > is called sign, not submit. I was able to press VO Space on it and it > submitted the form properly and redirected me to the success page informing > me that an email would be sent for confirmation. > > Best, > > erik burggraaf > A+ certified technician and user support consultant. > Phone: 888-255-5194 > Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com > > On 2010-02-14, at 10:21 AM, Carin Headrick wrote: > >> Hello. I have been lurking for a while. I am interested in how well >> Voiceover is faring in comparison to JAWS and stuff. >> >> I did have a question. I have a friend who uses Voiceover and is trying to >> sign the petition located athttp://www.talknav.com/protest >> >> She says the submit button does not show up, or it's there but it doesn't >> work. I was going to let the folks know who are running the petition, but I >> wondered if I could get any more details as to why the submit button does >> not show up. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Carin >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email >> tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: certain submit buttons and Voiceover
What advice could I give the folks running the site? Carin - Original Message - From: tim To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:59 AM Subject: Re: certain submit buttons and Voiceover It;s a problem with form code. Others have ben having problems with it also. On Feb 14, 2010, at 10:21 AM, Carin Headrick wrote: Hello. I have been lurking for a while. I am interested in how well Voiceover is faring in comparison to JAWS and stuff. I did have a question. I have a friend who uses Voiceover and is trying to sign the petition located at http://www.talknav.com/protest She says the submit button does not show up, or it's there but it doesn't work. I was going to let the folks know who are running the petition, but I wondered if I could get any more details as to why the submit button does not show up. Thanks. Carin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: certain submit buttons and Voiceover
All I know is she was afraid to upgrade because she'd heard the upgrade had a history of messing stuff up. Carin - Original Message - From: erik burggraaf To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 11:16 AM Subject: Re: certain submit buttons and Voiceover Sorry, I don't have a leopard machine to test it on. It might make a difference, because accessibility made tremendous strides in SL, but I seriously doubt it. I never had problems with submit buttons not showing up and I don't recall seeing mention of it. That by no means proves the problem didn't exist, but I see a fare number of macs in the coarse of my training gig and none of them reported such a thing. In the event, why would your friend the mack user be running leopard at this stage? Is there some compadibility issue preventing them from upgrading? Best, erik burggraaf A+ certified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 2010-02-14, at 10:44 AM, Carin Headrick wrote: Hmmm. This person has the OS before Snow. Would that make a difference? Thanks. Carin - Original Message - From: erik burggraaf To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:31 AM Subject: Re: certain submit buttons and Voiceover Carin, It worked for me no problem here using sl and the latest safari. The button is called sign, not submit. I was able to press VO Space on it and it submitted the form properly and redirected me to the success page informing me that an email would be sent for confirmation. Best, erik burggraaf A+ certified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 2010-02-14, at 10:21 AM, Carin Headrick wrote: Hello. I have been lurking for a while. I am interested in how well Voiceover is faring in comparison to JAWS and stuff. I did have a question. I have a friend who uses Voiceover and is trying to sign the petition located athttp://www.talknav.com/protest She says the submit button does not show up, or it's there but it doesn't work. I was going to let the folks know who are running the petition, but I wondered if I could get any more details as to why the submit button does not show up. Thanks. Carin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: certain submit buttons and Voiceover
Hi Carin. If the button to sign the petition is there, but not working when he simply hits VO-space on it, have him try routing his mouse to it, if he doesn't have his mouse and voiceover cursor tracking each other, he can hit VO-command-f5 to route it, and then try hiting VO-shift-space to see if that activates the button. HOpe this is of some help. I've had to do this in some applications, but I've seen this happen at times on the web as well. On Feb 14, 2010, at 10:21 AM, Carin Headrick wrote: > Hello. I have been lurking for a while. I am interested in how well Voiceover > is faring in comparison to JAWS and stuff. > > I did have a question. I have a friend who uses Voiceover and is trying to > sign the petition located athttp://www.talknav.com/protest > > She says the submit button does not show up, or it's there but it doesn't > work. I was going to let the folks know who are running the petition, but I > wondered if I could get any more details as to why the submit button does not > show up. > > Thanks. > > Carin > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email > tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: certain submit buttons and Voiceover
Sounds like a windows switcher. Well, we're on 10.6.3 now I believe and all the major bugs are worked out, except for some possible minor issues with ITunes, which is mostly useless anyway IMHO. I think the time has come. Best, erik burggraaf A+ certified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 2010-02-14, at 11:22 AM, Carin Headrick wrote: > All I know is she was afraid to upgrade because she'd heard the upgrade had a > history of messing stuff up. > > Carin > - Original Message - > From: erik burggraaf > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 11:16 AM > Subject: Re: certain submit buttons and Voiceover > > Sorry, I don't have a leopard machine to test it on. It might make a > difference, because accessibility made tremendous strides in SL, but I > seriously doubt it. I never had problems with submit buttons not showing up > and I don't recall seeing mention of it. That by no means proves the problem > didn't exist, but I see a fare number of macs in the coarse of my training > gig and none of them reported such a thing. > > In the event, why would your friend the mack user be running leopard at this > stage? Is there some compadibility issue preventing them from upgrading? > > Best, > > erik burggraaf > A+ certified technician and user support consultant. > Phone: 888-255-5194 > Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com > > On 2010-02-14, at 10:44 AM, Carin Headrick wrote: > >> Hmmm. This person has the OS before Snow. Would that make a difference? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Carin >> - Original Message - >> From: erik burggraaf >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:31 AM >> Subject: Re: certain submit buttons and Voiceover >> >> Carin, >> >> It worked for me no problem here using sl and the latest safari. The button >> is called sign, not submit. I was able to press VO Space on it and it >> submitted the form properly and redirected me to the success page informing >> me that an email would be sent for confirmation. >> >> Best, >> >> erik burggraaf >> A+ certified technician and user support consultant. >> Phone: 888-255-5194 >> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com >> >> On 2010-02-14, at 10:21 AM, Carin Headrick wrote: >> >>> Hello. I have been lurking for a while. I am interested in how well >>> Voiceover is faring in comparison to JAWS and stuff. >>> >>> I did have a question. I have a friend who uses Voiceover and is trying to >>> sign the petition located athttp://www.talknav.com/protest >>> >>> She says the submit button does not show up, or it's there but it doesn't >>> work. I was going to let the folks know who are running the petition, but I >>> wondered if I could get any more details as to why the submit button does >>> not show up. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Carin >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email >>> tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsu
Re: certain submit buttons and Voiceover
They already know from the wayFinder list. On Feb 14, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Carin Headrick wrote: > What advice could I give the folks running the site? > > Carin > - Original Message - > From: tim > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:59 AM > Subject: Re: certain submit buttons and Voiceover > > It;s a problem with form code. Others have ben having problems with it also. > On Feb 14, 2010, at 10:21 AM, Carin Headrick wrote: > >> Hello. I have been lurking for a while. I am interested in how well >> Voiceover is faring in comparison to JAWS and stuff. >> >> I did have a question. I have a friend who uses Voiceover and is trying to >> sign the petition located at http://www.talknav.comShe says the submit >> button does not show up, or it's there but it doesn't work. I was going to >> let the folks know who are running the petition, but I wondered if I could >> get any more details as to why the submit button does not show up. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Carin >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: certain submit buttons and Voiceover
Oh ok. Saves me bugging them. *grin*. - Original Message - From: tim To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 11:28 AM Subject: Re: certain submit buttons and Voiceover They already know from the wayFinder list. On Feb 14, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Carin Headrick wrote: What advice could I give the folks running the site? Carin - Original Message - From: tim To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:59 AM Subject: Re: certain submit buttons and Voiceover It;s a problem with form code. Others have ben having problems with it also. On Feb 14, 2010, at 10:21 AM, Carin Headrick wrote: Hello. I have been lurking for a while. I am interested in how well Voiceover is faring in comparison to JAWS and stuff. I did have a question. I have a friend who uses Voiceover and is trying to sign the petition located at http://www.talknav.comShe says the submit button does not show up, or it's there but it doesn't work. I was going to let the folks know who are running the petition, but I wondered if I could get any more details as to why the submit button does not show up. Thanks. Carin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is there enough VO support in I Work to justify the cost
Pete, It was my reply which I felt might have generalized a bit too much. Sorry if that wasn't clear. I agree that application developers are rightly responsible for conforming to accessibility guidelines. My issues exist in things like not being able to resize a window or drag a file, and the the (sometimes extreme) focus jumping which occurs. I don't recall those kinds of issues using ZoomText. Having said that, I too feel Apple has brought a good deal of fun back to technology. By and large their solutions are as elegant as the UI that sits on top. On the issue of Cocoa, there is certainly a push to move developers that way. Though the Carbon frameworks still exist, 64-bit, Grand Central, and the like will necessitate a move to Cocoa. On Feb 14, 2010, at 4:12 AM, James & Nash wrote: > Hi Pete, > On 14 Feb 2010, at 05:20, Pete Nalda wrote: >> ...it's the developers duty to program within the Cocoa framework so that >> everything becomes accessible by VO *and* Zoom... > > I thought that all the developers had to program in CoCo now as Mac OS X is > 100% CoCo. > > Thanks > TC > James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny >> I don't think it's going too far off topic, maybe a little since I'm >> speaking of Zoom, but we're still talking about word processors. While I >> agree that Apple should take steps to make zoom work properly with pages, I >> think other with other programs, it's the developers duty to program within >> the Cocoa framework so that everything becomes accessible by VO *and* Zoom >> Users. I also agree that having both Zoom and VO working together is *Very* >> competitive to a Zootext/screenreader package on windows. Apple has done a >> great deal to make Zoom one of the best full screen magnifiers available, >> and as I sit here typing this email effortlessly with zoom, I think about >> all the other productivity I get done on my machine and am grateful for >> that. We get access, and the luxury of using probably the Best UI in the >> world (ok I know I sound like a fanboy here, but I just never had much *fun* >> with windows or linux). That said, here's to hoping for further advances, >> and yes I'll surely do my part whenever possible. >> >> >> On Feb 13, 2010, at 6:21 PM, Mueller, Matt wrote: >> >>> I've experienced the same issue in Pages and in Bean as well, though I have >>> used both with VO successfully. Sadly, many such issues exist in zoom, most >>> of them very basic to its use. Although I've reported these, I've seen no >>> change in its performance since Tiger. To my thinking, the Zoom/VoiceOver >>> combination has great potential for the ZoomText and MAGic audiences, but >>> the commitment isn't there. I would urge you and any others who have an >>> interest in seeing that potential realized to report issues and make sure >>> Apple gets the message. I'll get off of this soapbox now and refrain from >>> pulling this thread way OT. >>> >>> On Feb 13, 2010, at 2:31 PM, Pete Nalda wrote: >>> Will do! I'll be curious to see how that works with VO as well, as I use a combination of both at a lot of times. Thanks for the tip! On Feb 13, 2010, at 2:13 PM, VaShaun Jones wrote: > You can also check out a free word processor called Bean. Its allot more > than simple. > On Feb 13, 2010, at 2:33 PM, Pete Nalda wrote: > >> This isn't really VO related, but, is accessibility related, but not too >> long ago, I was in the Apple store and was trying out Pages on a machine >> there, using Zoom, and much to my disappointment, didn't allow for >> cursor tracking with Zoom. I thought, well, so much for advanced word >> processing or desktop publishing, If I wanted that I'd have to migrate >> back to Windows, Word, and ZoomText, or just do simple word processing >> with Textedit. >> >> On Feb 13, 2010, at 10:17 AM, VaShaun Jones wrote: >> >>> I feel this is a great idea. It is time for us to speak out as a whole >>> on the I Work accessibility issues especially with the I Pad having I >>> Work support. >>> On Feb 12, 2010, at 7:26 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>> And I would point out that any concerns should be directed to Apple. THe more folks have to say about these issues, the more likely they get addressed sooner than later. I have been sending feedback to accessibil...@apple.com and via support as well. On Feb 12, 2010, at 4:43 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: > Hi, > > Both comments and styles work fine with vo and pages. There are a > few hang-ups however. > > 1. Vo can't see bullets or numbers in auto bulleted or numbered > lists. > 2. You can't use vo to read or do any operations on in-line objects: > objects embedded in the document. That being said however, you can > read and use objects to a larg
Re: Structured headings in Pages
Hi, creating structured headings in Pages using Voiceover isn't a problem. You do it from the styles drawer. I explained how to do it in a prior message, and I learned how to do it from the Pages on-line help. On Feb 13, 2010, at 11:34 PM, E.J. Zufelt wrote: > Good evening, > > So I was trying out Pages today. I noticed that a lot of the icons below the > toolbar were dimmed, not available. I also couldn't seem to find any way to > create structured headings in a document. > > Is there a tutorial on how to create accessible documents with Pages, > particularly one that explains how to do this with VoiceOver. > > I'm trying to find an alternative to MS Word on Windows, but seriously > looking like all word processor options for OS X either have no accessibility > (Office and Symphony), have poor accessibility (OpenOffice), or aren't really > good products (Pages). > > Thanks, > Everett Zufelt > http://zufelt.ca > > Follow me on Twitter > http://twitter.com/ezufelt > > View my LinkedIn Profile > http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: certain submit buttons and Voiceover
Hmmm. INteresting. When Snow Leopard was releaseed, had no problem upgrading to it here. The upgrade went absolutely fine here. On Feb 14, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Carin Headrick wrote: > All I know is she was afraid to upgrade because she'd heard the upgrade had a > history of messing stuff up. > > Carin > - Original Message - > From: erik burggraaf > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 11:16 AM > Subject: Re: certain submit buttons and Voiceover > > Sorry, I don't have a leopard machine to test it on. It might make a > difference, because accessibility made tremendous strides in SL, but I > seriously doubt it. I never had problems with submit buttons not showing up > and I don't recall seeing mention of it. That by no means proves the problem > didn't exist, but I see a fare number of macs in the coarse of my training > gig and none of them reported such a thing. > > In the event, why would your friend the mack user be running leopard at this > stage? Is there some compadibility issue preventing them from upgrading? > > Best, > > erik burggraaf > A+ certified technician and user support consultant. > Phone: 888-255-5194 > Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com > > On 2010-02-14, at 10:44 AM, Carin Headrick wrote: > >> Hmmm. This person has the OS before Snow. Would that make a difference? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Carin >> - Original Message - >> From: erik burggraaf >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:31 AM >> Subject: Re: certain submit buttons and Voiceover >> >> Carin, >> >> It worked for me no problem here using sl and the latest safari. The button >> is called sign, not submit. I was able to press VO Space on it and it >> submitted the form properly and redirected me to the success page informing >> me that an email would be sent for confirmation. >> >> Best, >> >> erik burggraaf >> A+ certified technician and user support consultant. >> Phone: 888-255-5194 >> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com >> >> On 2010-02-14, at 10:21 AM, Carin Headrick wrote: >> >>> Hello. I have been lurking for a while. I am interested in how well >>> Voiceover is faring in comparison to JAWS and stuff. >>> >>> I did have a question. I have a friend who uses Voiceover and is trying to >>> sign the petition located athttp://www.talknav.com/protest >>> >>> She says the submit button does not show up, or it's there but it doesn't >>> work. I was going to let the folks know who are running the petition, but I >>> wondered if I could get any more details as to why the submit button does >>> not show up. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Carin >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email >>> tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
issue fixed
Hey all we just had to reste our router and modem. Software works now. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Reading PowerPoint Presentations on the Mac
Hi, I was wondering if there was an accessible program that can be used to read PowerPoint presentations on the Mac? I am asking because one of the college classes that I am taking, one of the instructors uses PowerPoint, and it would be nice to be able to read these presentations on the Mac. I can already on Windows, but it would be cool if I could on my Mac as well. Thanks, Jeffrey -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Reading PowerPoint Presentations on the Mac
Hi Jeffrey, On 14 Feb 2010, at 22:06, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: > I was wondering if there was an accessible program that can be used to read > PowerPoint presentations on the Mac? I am asking because one of the college > classes that I am taking, one of the instructors uses PowerPoint, and it > would be nice to be able to read these presentations on the Mac. I can > already on Windows, but it would be cool if I could on my Mac as well. I think you can read them via Keynote from the IWork suite. TC James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny > Hi, > I was wondering if there was an accessible program that can be used to read > PowerPoint presentations on the Mac? I am asking because one of the college > classes that I am taking, one of the instructors uses PowerPoint, and it > would be nice to be able to read these presentations on the Mac. I can > already on Windows, but it would be cool if I could on my Mac as well. > Thanks, > Jeffrey > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email > tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Reading PowerPoint Presentations on the Mac
Good afternoon Jeffrey, I'm not sure about reading Powerpoint on the Mac. You can however save them as RTF in windows and read that on the Mac, or a better solution, ask the professor to provide you RTF, or some other more universal format, of the content. HTH, Everett Zufelt http://zufelt.ca Follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/ezufelt View my LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt On 2010-02-14, at 5:06 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: Hi, I was wondering if there was an accessible program that can be used to read PowerPoint presentations on the Mac? I am asking because one of the college classes that I am taking, one of the instructors uses PowerPoint, and it would be nice to be able to read these presentations on the Mac. I can already on Windows, but it would be cool if I could on my Mac as well. Thanks, Jeffrey -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Reading PowerPoint Presentations on the Mac
Hello. You can read Power Point presentations with Keynote. I did this during my last semester in college when I really started getting into using the mac. On Feb 14, 2010, at 5:06 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: > Hi, > I was wondering if there was an accessible program that can be used to read > PowerPoint presentations on the Mac? I am asking because one of the college > classes that I am taking, one of the instructors uses PowerPoint, and it > would be nice to be able to read these presentations on the Mac. I can > already on Windows, but it would be cool if I could on my Mac as well. > Thanks, > Jeffrey > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Ryan Mann email: rmann0...@gmail.com phone:386-383-5175 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: TextExpander app on sale for $1.99
Hi Robert, Mike, and Others, Yes, as Mike says, TextExpander for the Mac is VoiceOver friendly. (And oddly enough, although I was away when this post came in, the next post from someone on the mac-access list was a recommendation for the desktop app, along with an account of excellent customer support to a query in the form of an AppleScript that he's started using with TextExpander.) I should correct him that he got a 20% discount in connection with this year's MacWorld event by using the link at his posted site to make his purchase ($23.96 instead of $29.95): http://smileonmymac.com/mw2010/ This offer is good through February 28, 2010. Here's some more background. I'll cc this post to the macvisionaries list, since it concerns the TextExpander desktop software for the Mac, which can work in tandem with the TextExpander Touch app for the iPhone and iPod Touch. Like the TextExpander Touch app, the original (Mac only) TextExpander software lets you define shortcut "snippets" that expand to phrases like Mike's signature line. Since you can access and create snippets by bringing up the TextExpander preferences pane, you get the features that show up when the icon is accessed from the status menu bar (which can be a potential problem for VoiceOver for some apps). Snow Leopard on the Mac allows you to define keyboard shortcuts that expand into larger phrases, but they only work in a subset of applications while TextExpander's snippets are system wide. (To be fair, these are probably the applications you are most likely to use).The TextExpander snippets are more sophisticated: you can use their sample snippets to expand to the current date or time in a format of your choosing. If you are a web page designer you can used the pre-defined samples to expand HTML elements around the word you just typed, and you don't have to worry whether you've correctly typed the various characters, or you could use the snippet classes defined to assist computer coding. If you have to generate reports with similar discussion sections you can custom-define snippets for specific text that you can later modify. I use TextExpander to type accented names or characters. If I want to type a few paragraphs in another language without having to rely on bringing up the spell-checker for a different language for certain phrases, I can use predefined snippets. I can also use this to type in Greek characters and formulae, or text snippets in languages with non-Roman characters (like Russian). The other factor that might make this interesting for Mac users is the interface with the TextExpander Touch app for the iPhone and iPod Touch, because you can share definitions between the desktop software and the iPhone app. (The Desktop app allows more scope for definitions, and use with AppleScripts, so more advanced Desktop snippet definitions may not be sharable with the iPhone app version). Again, the TextExpander Touch app can be used whether or not you get the desktop (Mac only) TextExpander software. It's mostly useful if you use one of the other apps that directly support TextExpander Touch, like Twittelator Pro, Simplenote. There are a few unlabeled buttons on the app: on the screen that lists groups of snippets, including sample snippets, and any new groups of snippets you choose to add, the unlabeled button in the bottom left corner is the "Settings" button. The "add" button in the bottom right corner lets you create new groups, or add predefined groups (e.g., for accented words, symbols, HTML, etc.). On the "Compose" screen there are two unlabeled buttons. The one in the bottom center lets you view and select from a list of your recent note history. The unlabeled button at the bottom right lets you erase the note or cancel your editing changes. In general, you will mainly use the "Actions" button at the bottom left to either send what you've composed to Mail, or to Tweetie (if you have the Tweetie 2 app), or to copy all text so you can paste it into another app. TextExpander Touch is on sale for $1.99 (from $4.99) to celebrate the release of additional apps supporting TextExpander snippets. (I'm not sure for how long). Links to pages mentioned in this post: • TextExpander page at SmileOnMyMac with link to free download trial for Mac desktop software : http://www.smileonmymac.com/TextExpander/ * Link to MacWorld discount page for SmileOnMyMac software (20% off through February 28, 2010): http://smileonmymac.com/mw2010/ • TextExpander Touch ($1.99, regularly $4.99) by SmileOnMyMac at the app store: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/textexpander/id326180690?mt=8 The Mac desktop version of TextExpander comes with a 90-day money-back guarantee, in addition to the availability of the trial download. HTH Cheers, Esther Babcock, Michael A. wrote: hi; text expander on the mac is voiceov
Speech Rate command for Text-to-Speech in iTunes
Hello list, I've forgotten the command to set the speech rate in a text file that will be processed by iTunes. I don't remember what the first line in the document should have placed in it, to set the preferred speech rate. For example "350" words per minute? Thanks in advance. Dan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Speech Rate command for Text-to-Speech in iTunes
[[ra 350] that's: left-bracket left-bracket ra space 350 right-bracket right-bracket On 2/14/2010 6:57 PM, Dan wrote: Hello list, I've forgotten the command to set the speech rate in a text file that will be processed by iTunes. I don't remember what the first line in the document should have placed in it, to set the preferred speech rate. For example "350" words per minute? Thanks in advance. Dan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: certain submit buttons and Voiceover
There was a sign button at the end of the petition, I had no problem finding it whatsoever. I am using Snow leopard ver 10.6.3 and Safari 4.04 with Voiceover. It's possible that your friend is using an earlier version, and, of course, I can't be sure the button would show up in an earlier version, however, it looked pretty standard to me. On Feb 14, 2010, at 9:21 AM, Carin Headrick wrote: > Hello. I have been lurking for a while. I am interested in how well Voiceover > is faring in comparison to JAWS and stuff. > > I did have a question. I have a friend who uses Voiceover and is trying to > sign the petition located at http://www.talknav.com/protest > > She says the submit button does not show up, or it's there but it doesn't > work. I was going to let the folks know who are running the petition, but I > wondered if I could get any more details as to why the submit button does not > show up. > > Thanks. > > Carin > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: certain submit buttons and Voiceover
Hello. Do you mean 10.6.3 or 10.6.2? As soon as I read your message, I ran software update to see if I could upgrade to 10.6.3 and there was no such update available. The only update listed was some kind of Ilife support update. I'm just asking because I want to make sure Software Update is working properly. Thanks. On Feb 14, 2010, at 9:58 PM, Dan Roy wrote: > There was a sign button at the end of the petition, I had no problem finding > it whatsoever. > > I am using Snow leopard ver 10.6.3 and Safari 4.04 with Voiceover. It's > possible that your friend is using an earlier version, and, of course, I > can't be sure the button would show up in an earlier version, however, it > looked pretty standard to me. > > > On Feb 14, 2010, at 9:21 AM, Carin Headrick wrote: > >> Hello. I have been lurking for a while. I am interested in how well >> Voiceover is faring in comparison to JAWS and stuff. >> >> I did have a question. I have a friend who uses Voiceover and is trying to >> sign the petition located at http://www.talknav.com/protest >> >> She says the submit button does not show up, or it's there but it doesn't >> work. I was going to let the folks know who are running the petition, but I >> wondered if I could get any more details as to why the submit button does >> not show up. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Carin >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Ryan Mann email: rmann0...@gmail.com phone:386-383-5175 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: certain submit buttons and Voiceover
Hi Ryan, Yes, I've done exactly as you did. There were 4 updates, including iLife and a security update, but no OS update. I'm quite certain we're all running 10.6.2 if we have the latest release. Les -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: web/sweet spots (wasBlog post: First Glance at Firefox Accessibility on OS X Snow Leopard)
Hi Donna, It's control option command shift right bracket twice. hth On Feb 13, 2010, at 8:09 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Ah! OK, got it. So how do you set a sweet spot? > Thanks, > Donna > On Feb 12, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> Hi Donna, >> >> A sweet spot is a position on a web page you have designated voiceover to be >> on as soon as you go to the site. web spots are just key positions on a >> page that you have set or Voiceover has set automatically. Btw. VO command >> right bracket takes you forward through your manually set web spots, and VO >> command left bracket will navigate backwards. VO command N will cycle you >> through the auto webspots set by Voiceover. >> >> hth >> On Feb 12, 2010, at 9:03 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> This may be a dumb question, but is there a difference between web spots >>> and sweet spots? >>> TIA, >>> Donna >>> On Feb 12, 2010, at 6:00 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>> I would also point out that if you use the Web Spot feature, it is quite accurate indeed. I have a sweet spot set for a number of locations on the banking website I use and it surely is the greatest thing for making navigation of a site efficient. I have it setup so as soon as the page loads, I'm on the location to enter my login info. Once I'm logged in, I am immediately on the list of accounts and on the balance information. If folks have not really explored the possibilities of Web/sweet spots, do yourself a favor and give them a try, they are very useful. On Feb 11, 2010, at 9:32 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: > Hello, > > If I may, I would like to point out that all navigation through elements > on a web page can be done with one hand and you don't need to remember a > lot of keys. When in dom. mode, press the left and right arrows at the > same time to enter quick nav mode. Now, press the left-up or right-up to > cycle through the navigation items in the roter. Then, navigate through > the chosen element with the up or down keys. > > As far as returning to the prior place in a web page, I have not found it > to be non existent. There are many times that it works, although, I > would like to see it work more consistently. I haven't found any screen > reader do it very well. > > I would also like to say that I never found any of the vo key strokes to > be difficult and I never understood why some people seemed to have such a > hang-up with them. There are some circumstances where one might need to > perform a task with only one hand, and I think that it was some what of a > legitimate concern earlier on. As I pointed out however, that issue has > been addressed with quick nav. > > > On Feb 11, 2010, at 6:23 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > >> Hi Scott, >> I'm not Linda, but I had to respond to your note to her re the >> differences between moving around on a page among elements with Window >> Eyes or Jaws and Voice Over. You said that you didn't see much >> difference between pressing h by itself or pressing 3 additional keys in >> addition to h to move among headers. And you say this is easily done >> with one hand? You must have amazing hands. I can no way do that. I've >> been touch typing for decades. It gets even more interesting when you >> add the shift into the mix to go up the page in reverse order. Doable? >> yes? As easy as pressing one key? Not by a long shot. Are there other >> benefits, such as not having to go in and out of forms mode? for sure. >> The added functionality for VO on the web in Snow Leopard is one of the >> main reasons I decided to try a Mac. I really appreciate the numpad >> commander, although learning it was not as intuitive as learning >> mnemonics on the regular keyboard. In no way is the rotor as efficient >> for me as having that array of single letter keystrokes that let me move >> among various web elements at will. Another thing I hope can be >> implemented in the future is a means of letting focus return to where it >> was when you return back to a previously visited page. That's a big time >> saver with the Windows screen readers, although it doesn't always work. >> Its nonexistent with vo. I like the fact that pages seem to load faster >> with Safari than they do with IE and a screen reader. Over all, for me, >> the Windows experience is still more efficient. But there are pluses >> with the Mac, and I'm hoping it will keep improving. Group mode is >> something I have tried and dropped. I just never found a page where it >> seemed to offer any advantage, since I don't really care how the page is >> laid out. I want info and where it is on the page just doesn't seem very >> important to me, so long as I can get
DPS plugin for itunes
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3678065/BongioviAcousticsDPS.dmg The difference with this Digital ro System plugin is like night and day. All my tunes are now seriously clear and each track is separated perfectly. It works seamlessly with itunes so there's no fuss. All you have to do is add your laptop/desktop/headphone model in the audio preferences and the plugin does the rest. There are unlabelled buttons but here is the list from left to right of labels i got from sighted assistance: -info -built-in -desktop -headphones Then there is a space label which turns on the dps when you VO space on it -preferences -music -movie -show/hide play controls -company then there's an image -previous track -play -next track Then there are two labeled spaces track artist. For those who don't know how to label: go on the unlabelled button and VO backslash, then type the label you want, or in this case, what i listed above Enjoy :) Yuma Decaux Light has no value without darkness Skype: shainobi1 blog: www.theblindsamurai.com twitter: www.twitter.com/triple7 Tel: +85513623378 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
