Hi Pete, On 14 Feb 2010, at 05:20, Pete Nalda wrote: > ...it's the developers duty to program within the Cocoa framework so that > everything becomes accessible by VO *and* Zoom...
I thought that all the developers had to program in CoCo now as Mac OS X is 100% CoCo. Thanks TC James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny > I don't think it's going too far off topic, maybe a little since I'm speaking > of Zoom, but we're still talking about word processors. While I agree that > Apple should take steps to make zoom work properly with pages, I think other > with other programs, it's the developers duty to program within the Cocoa > framework so that everything becomes accessible by VO *and* Zoom Users. I > also agree that having both Zoom and VO working together is *Very* > competitive to a Zootext/screenreader package on windows. Apple has done a > great deal to make Zoom one of the best full screen magnifiers available, and > as I sit here typing this email effortlessly with zoom, I think about all the > other productivity I get done on my machine and am grateful for that. We get > access, and the luxury of using probably the Best UI in the world (ok I know > I sound like a fanboy here, but I just never had much *fun* with windows or > linux). That said, here's to hoping for further advances, and yes I'll > surely do my part whenever possible. > > > On Feb 13, 2010, at 6:21 PM, Mueller, Matt wrote: > >> I've experienced the same issue in Pages and in Bean as well, though I have >> used both with VO successfully. Sadly, many such issues exist in zoom, most >> of them very basic to its use. Although I've reported these, I've seen no >> change in its performance since Tiger. To my thinking, the Zoom/VoiceOver >> combination has great potential for the ZoomText and MAGic audiences, but >> the commitment isn't there. I would urge you and any others who have an >> interest in seeing that potential realized to report issues and make sure >> Apple gets the message. I'll get off of this soapbox now and refrain from >> pulling this thread way OT. >> >> On Feb 13, 2010, at 2:31 PM, Pete Nalda wrote: >> >>> Will do! I'll be curious to see how that works with VO as well, as I use a >>> combination of both at a lot of times. Thanks for the tip! >>> >>> On Feb 13, 2010, at 2:13 PM, VaShaun Jones wrote: >>> >>>> You can also check out a free word processor called Bean. Its allot more >>>> than simple. >>>> On Feb 13, 2010, at 2:33 PM, Pete Nalda wrote: >>>> >>>>> This isn't really VO related, but, is accessibility related, but not too >>>>> long ago, I was in the Apple store and was trying out Pages on a machine >>>>> there, using Zoom, and much to my disappointment, didn't allow for cursor >>>>> tracking with Zoom. I thought, well, so much for advanced word >>>>> processing or desktop publishing, If I wanted that I'd have to migrate >>>>> back to Windows, Word, and ZoomText, or just do simple word processing >>>>> with Textedit. >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 13, 2010, at 10:17 AM, VaShaun Jones wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I feel this is a great idea. It is time for us to speak out as a whole >>>>>> on the I Work accessibility issues especially with the I Pad having I >>>>>> Work support. >>>>>> On Feb 12, 2010, at 7:26 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> And I would point out that any concerns should be directed to Apple. >>>>>>> THe more folks have to say about these issues, the more likely they get >>>>>>> addressed sooner than later. I have been sending feedback to >>>>>>> accessibil...@apple.com and via support as well. >>>>>>> On Feb 12, 2010, at 4:43 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Both comments and styles work fine with vo and pages. There are a few >>>>>>>> hang-ups however. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. Vo can't see bullets or numbers in auto bulleted or numbered lists. >>>>>>>> 2. You can't use vo to read or do any operations on in-line objects: >>>>>>>> objects embedded in the document. That being said however, you can >>>>>>>> read and use objects to a large degree if the are floating. In the >>>>>>>> later case, they are in the lay-out area. There ways to make an >>>>>>>> in-line object floating and there are indications that an object is >>>>>>>> present in a document because vo will say "hi-lited" hen you move the >>>>>>>> insertion point of it. >>>>>>>> 3. Templates seem totally unusable to me. Someone else might have a >>>>>>>> better handle on that but there seems to be things like text boxes >>>>>>>> with in-line text boxes. So it's not a nice situation for vo. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As it stands, I think that document creation using vo is very doable. >>>>>>>> Due to the problems I mentioned however, I think that collaborative >>>>>>>> writing projects, or any situation where you will have to read a >>>>>>>> document that someone else did using Word, will be problematic. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Feb 12, 2010, at 1:21 PM, VaShaun Jones wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Listers, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am thinking of purchasing the latest version of I Work, but before >>>>>>>>> doing so is there enough VO support to justify the purchase? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (Basque for G'day, Mates) >>>>> Pete Nalda >>>>> http://www.myspace.com/musikonalda >>>>> http://www.facebook.com/lpnalda >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> Egun On, Lagunak! 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