Re: Boxee?

[hank smith]

what does this thing do?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Larry Wanger 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:53 PM
  Subject: Boxee?


  Is anyone successfully able to use VO with Boxee? I'm considering downloading 
and investigating it but thought I'd ask.

   


  


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Re: has anyone tried neooffice with vo?

[hank smith]

hanksmi...@gmail.com
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ben King 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:23 PM
  Subject: Re: has anyone tried neooffice with vo?


  Dear Hank,


  Your name is ringing a bell as well.

  Please give me your email and I will contact you.  Have a wonderful day.
  Blessings,
  Ben King


  On Aug 27, 2009, at 4:21 PM, hank smith wrote:


attn ben can you contact me off list?
your name is ringing a bell
Hank
  - Original Message -
  From: Ben King
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:32 AM
  Subject: Re: has anyone tried neooffice with vo?


  Dear Anouk,


  Welcome to Apple Land.  On the previous podcast of the Mac Review Cast, 
they spoke about Neooffice.  It sounds interesting.  I do not know if it is 
accessible with Voiceover.  Good Luck.  Have a wonderful day.
  Blessings,
  Ben King

  On Aug 26, 2009, at 3:17 AM, a radix wrote:


Hello, I am reading through a swithc-to-the-mac kind of site and they 
recommend neooffice for office applications. I had never heard of this package 
before and I wondered if anyone has used it and if it is accessible?
Greetings, Anouk,














  

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Re: Fw: The Orbitcast Daily Update

[hank smith]

it was the sky doc that peaked my interest
will go read the dish colom
will try to call this weekened
damn I need to get my atnt back online
this sucks royal dick
or as les would say
sucks puss filled donkey dick.
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From: "Matthew Elliff" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: The Orbitcast Daily Update


>
> i get this in email and twitter. don't recall anything inteeresting
> besides new radios that i'm not buying? what peaked your intrest? lol
> hasn't been any new programming announcements? oh the new sky doc?
> before you get too excited read the satellite dish column at
> http://www.multichannel.com
> read that and i wasn't so excited anymore lol.
>
> On 8/27/09, hank smith  wrote:
>> Orbitcast
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Orbitcast
>> To: hanksmi...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 12:04 PM
>> Subject: The Orbitcast Daily Update
>>
>>
>>   The Orbitcast Daily Update
>>
>>
>> 
>>   Pics: New XM SkyDock satellite radio controller for iPhone
>>
>>   Posted: 26 Aug 2009 11:07 AM PDT
>>
>>
>>   If you are following me on Twitter you've seen these photos 
>> already,
>> but for everyone else - here's upclose and personal pics of the upcoming 
>> XM
>> SkyDock satellite radio controller for your iPhone/iPod Touch.
>>
>>
>>
>>   I'll have a more detailed description shortly, but the quick take 
>> is
>> this:
>>
>> a.. The SkyDock is actually a satellite radio with all the guts 
>> of
>> an XM unit built in - but the interface will be controlled by the iPhone
>> b.. A new XM SkyDock iPhone App will be released with the doc - 
>> this
>> is NOT the same as the existing Sirius XM iPhone App
>> c.. It's an XM, so you can listen to Howard Stern through the 
>> "Best
>> of Sirius" add on package
>> d.. Price will MSRP at $119.99, and it'll be available this fall
>>
>>
>>   I really think Sirius XM Radio Inc. hit the ball right out of the 
>> park
>> with this one. It's been a long time since we've seen a device worth 
>> getting
>> excited about, and the XM SkyDock looks like a winner.
>>
>>   Some pics...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: clean install or upgrade?

[Dan Eickmeier]

Cool, I'm planning to do a clean install as well.  Looking forward to  
that podcast Mike.
On Aug 28, 2009, at 12:55 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

>
> I would reccomend that you do a clean install, it may take a bit more
> time to reinstall everything, but it's usually more reliable,
> certainly that's what I'm going to do, and I plan on recording mac pod
> cast number 10, dedicated to the install of snow leopard, so stay
> tuned for that.
> On Aug 27, 2009, at 9:17 AM, a radix wrote:
>
>> Hello, i am ordering sl via the phone now. I wonder, is an upgrade
>> (so not a totally clean install) recommended? I know it is a VERY
>> BAD IDEA on a iwndows machine but i wonder if it is ok on a mac? I
>> would actually like it if my current settings could be used.
>> Greetings, Anouk
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: clean install or upgrade?

[william lomas]

you go to the utilities menu in the installer i think chose disc  
utility then erase and install.
I will watch feedback over next couple months then upgrade but at  
present what I have is working

On 28 Aug 2009, at 06:54, Jessi and Goldina wrote:

>
> I plan to do a clean install also and plan to record it too. I'm not
> sure if I'll spread it around, I guess it depends on how well I feel
> it goes, lol. this is my first time ever installing an OS on any
> platform though, so I thought it should be recorded haha. can someone
> explain the steps for doing a "clean install?" I'm sure it's been
> discussed to death but I've been away at my cabin and had about 2000
> messages in my inbox so didn't pay much attention as I rapidly
> deleted, lol. I assume a clean install means deleting leopard and all
> other data? which would of course mean backing up first...I can't use
> time machine cuz it won't work with my external drive without me
> deleting everything off it and I'm so not doing that, so I plan to
> just copy and paste all my data and stuff over. I guess I'll lose my
> emails, but maybe there's some way other than time machine of
> archiving them before I do this?
>
> and now I'll stop rambling, I'm sure I'm not making much sense. it's
> time for bed and book for me. but I just wanna make sure I have all
> the steps in place for when the big moment comes!!! I'm pretty excited
> about it!!
> Jessi and Goldina
> On 27-Aug-09, at 9:55 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>
>>
>> I would reccomend that you do a clean install, it may take a bit more
>> time to reinstall everything, but it's usually more reliable,
>> certainly that's what I'm going to do, and I plan on recording mac  
>> pod
>> cast number 10, dedicated to the install of snow leopard, so stay
>> tuned for that.
>> On Aug 27, 2009, at 9:17 AM, a radix wrote:
>>
>>> Hello, i am ordering sl via the phone now. I wonder, is an upgrade
>>> (so not a totally clean install) recommended? I know it is a VERY
>>> BAD IDEA on a iwndows machine but i wonder if it is ok on a mac? I
>>> would actually like it if my current settings could be used.
>>> Greetings, Anouk
>>>

>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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just ordered sl over the phone

[a radix]

Hello, I had actually called apple yesterday but it took a lng time so i 
gave up. I tried it again this morning and it took very long too but i 
persisted and got through eventually. I have a bit of trouble with the apple 
store website and since it is possible to order stuff over the phone i prefer 
to do that. According to the woman on the phone however, they cant sell you the 
upgrade for 10 dollar (euro in my case) over the phone and you have to order it 
online. I told her that i was blind and having trouble with the website and 
that no one was nearby to help me (after waiting 30 minutes on the phone i 
wanted to get it over and done with) she let me order the 29 dollar version and 
says the rest of the money will be returned to me. How cool is that!
She also asked me how i used the computer and i told her all about voiceover.
Greetings, Anouk
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Re: Selecting between multiple cities on the IPhone?

[Thuy]

Hi Vic. you have to use the top of your finger pads like a pianist.
Bunch your index, middle and ring fingers on the right hand together
and swipe at a medium speed, exerting fairly little pressure (just
enough to depress strings on a guitar when placing them on the frets).
Swipe to the right to go down to page 1. It's not always instantly
responsive, so you might have to give it a few tries?

Cheers

Thuy


On 28/08/2009, Victor Tsaran  wrote:
>
> Hi Thuy,
> Perhaps there is something wrong with my gestures but i would always end
> up with "showing city 2 of 2", in other words, it would only let me
> display the last city.
>
> On 8/26/2009 6:10 AM, Thuy wrote:
>>
>> Hey Vic. You need to do a three finger swipe left or right to go
>> through the pages that display each city.
>> Hope this helps?
>>
>> Thuy
>>
>>
>> On 26/08/2009, Victor Tsaran  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>> I am sorry for asking this silly question, but I can't figure out how to
>>> switch between multiple cities in the "weather" widget on the IPhone.
>>> I've added several of them but can only access the last one. I've tried
>>> all the gestures I could think of, but nothing works.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any advice.
>>> Vic
>>>
>>> ---
>>> I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/vick08
>>> or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com
>>> ---
>>>

>>>
>>
>> >
>>
>
>
> --
>
> ---
> I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/vick08
> or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com
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>
> >
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Re: my macbook pro is here, problems with internet

[a radix]

Hello, wireless internet now works, i have the linksys wrt160 which comes with 
setup software that works on the mac. You can also of course use the 
webinterface.
Setting up wpa2 protection was a breeze.
Greetings, Anouk,
  - Original Message - 
  From: Chris Blouch 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:59 PM
  Subject: Re: my macbook pro is here, problems with internet


  I got it a few years ago so I don't recall off the top of my head. It was 
just whatever BestBuy had for a reasonable price at the time. Previously I had 
another router and while I was away on vacation a nest of ants decided to make 
their home in it, eggs and all. I just put the whole thing in the trash and 
bought the Linksys. 

  CB

  Chris G wrote: 
Hi, what Linksys do you have, considering the 610.  Its the N router.



On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:44:50 -0400
Chris Blouch  wrote:

  I've been pretty happy with my linksys router. Pretty much works like an 
outlet strip for internet connections plus adds wireless. It (or my 
cable modem) was a bit sensitive to power burps so about once a month 
I'd have to trek down to the basement and power cycle it, but then I 
installed a UPS and can't recall the last time I had to restart it.

CB

Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
Chris is right here. In the US, these boxes have a battery, so pulling 
the plug and replugging it will not work. You need to find the reset 
button, on the Motorola boxes I have used you need a unfolded paper 
clip to reset the box. Your cable vendor should also be able to do 
this remotely. Your best bet is really to get a firewall router that 
supports NAT. Otherwise you are subjecting your PC software to too 
much open visability. Apple airport will work, but so will Linksys and 
other inexpensive home routers.

Jonathan

On Aug 26, 2009, at 3:39 PM, a radix wrote:

  I have only a cable modem, it is not even a real router (it has no 
internal firewall for example) although i use it for phone and internet.
Greetings, Anouk,

- Original Message -
*From:* Chris Blouch 
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

*Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:42 PM
*Subject:* Re: my macbook pro is here, problems with internet

Strange. The Macs and PCs use the same DHCP protocols to get an
address. Is this going right from the router to the Mac or do you
have a firewall/NAT/wireless thing inbetween. If it is direct
then sometime the cable modem reads the hardware address of your
computer and needs a full power cycle to let go and read a new one.

CB

a radix wrote:
Hello, my macbook pro arrived this morning via ups I must say
its quick, i ordered 8 days ago via bank transfer and a custom
configuration.
Everything works fine although i get lost in a few dialogs.
I cant connect to the internet htough. I use a cable modem and
udner windows i can just push in the network cable and I am
ready to go. Not so now htough.
Any idea of what routers work best with the mac? I was thinking
of getting a linksis pre-n router, will that work?
If i just configure the touter right and it works on the pc
should i also just be able to plug it into the mac for it to work?
Greetings, Anouk,


  

  

  
  

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Re: clean install or upgrade?

[Chris G]

Hi,
I'm planning on doing an upgrade.  So we will see how that goes.
Chris



On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 07:06:45 +0100
william lomas  wrote:

> 
> you go to the utilities menu in the installer i think chose disc  
> utility then erase and install.
> I will watch feedback over next couple months then upgrade but at  
> present what I have is working
> 
> On 28 Aug 2009, at 06:54, Jessi and Goldina wrote:
> 
> >
> > I plan to do a clean install also and plan to record it too. I'm not
> > sure if I'll spread it around, I guess it depends on how well I feel
> > it goes, lol. this is my first time ever installing an OS on any
> > platform though, so I thought it should be recorded haha. can someone
> > explain the steps for doing a "clean install?" I'm sure it's been
> > discussed to death but I've been away at my cabin and had about 2000
> > messages in my inbox so didn't pay much attention as I rapidly
> > deleted, lol. I assume a clean install means deleting leopard and all
> > other data? which would of course mean backing up first...I can't use
> > time machine cuz it won't work with my external drive without me
> > deleting everything off it and I'm so not doing that, so I plan to
> > just copy and paste all my data and stuff over. I guess I'll lose my
> > emails, but maybe there's some way other than time machine of
> > archiving them before I do this?
> >
> > and now I'll stop rambling, I'm sure I'm not making much sense. it's
> > time for bed and book for me. but I just wanna make sure I have all
> > the steps in place for when the big moment comes!!! I'm pretty excited
> > about it!!
> > Jessi and Goldina
> > On 27-Aug-09, at 9:55 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I would reccomend that you do a clean install, it may take a bit more
> >> time to reinstall everything, but it's usually more reliable,
> >> certainly that's what I'm going to do, and I plan on recording mac  
> >> pod
> >> cast number 10, dedicated to the install of snow leopard, so stay
> >> tuned for that.
> >> On Aug 27, 2009, at 9:17 AM, a radix wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello, i am ordering sl via the phone now. I wonder, is an upgrade
> >>> (so not a totally clean install) recommended? I know it is a VERY
> >>> BAD IDEA on a iwndows machine but i wonder if it is ok on a mac? I
> >>> would actually like it if my current settings could be used.
> >>> Greetings, Anouk
> >>>
> 
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >
> >
> > >
> 
> 
> 

-- 
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Re: status menu?

[a radix]

Yes, I want to thank you as well, it really helps.
Greetings, Anouk,
  - Original Message - 
  From: Rich Ring 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 12:45 AM
  Subject: Re: status menu?


  I just want to thank you for your messages.  I am a very new Mac user, and I 
am feeling a bit overwhelmed.  Thanks for your clear and helpful messages.
- Original Message - 
From: Esther 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: status menu?


Hello, 


There are shortcuts both in VoiceOver and for the Mac in general to move to 
the status menu bar.  In VoiceOver, pressing VO-M (Control-Option-M) once takes 
you to the application menu bar, pressing VO-M twice takes you to the status 
menu bar, and pressing VO-M three times takes you to a Spotlight search.


So, to check your battery, you could press VO-M twice, then left arrow to 
the battery menu and arrow down to the menu options for display preferences, 
energy saver preferences, etc. To check the date and time, arrow left again, 
then arrow down into that menu's settings.


You can also use the shortcuts Control-F2 to navigate to the application 
menu bar, Control-F8 to move to the status menu bar, and Command-Space to bring 
up Spotlight search.  These work independently of VoiceOver.  VO-M always 
starts you at the Apple Menu.  Then you can either use your arrow keys or type 
the first few letters of a menu name to navigate to application menu items or 
the Help menu for that app.


There are also shortcuts both in VoiceOver and the Mac in general to move 
to the Dock, which you can use to launch applications, check on downloads, and 
check the trash.  VoiceOver used VO-D, but Control-F3 also works.  Again, you 
can navigate with arrow keys or by typing the first few letters of an item in 
the dock.  If you want to customize the order of items in the dock, select an 
item, press the option key and use your arrow keys to move it to a new 
location/order.


Cheers,


Esther


a radix wrote:


  Hello, my brother tried my mac today and apparently, to the right of the 
apple menu there is a status menu where you can see your airport status, the 
time and the battery status. Can anyone tell me where i can find it because i 
would like to check how long my battery can hold out.
  Thanks,
  Greetings, Anouk,








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Re: Fw: The Orbitcast Daily Update

[Scott Chesworth]

Hank, Matthew,

Just in case you didn't realise, this thread is currently going out to
the whole macvisionaries list!
As wonderfully descriptive as those metaphors were, they're probably
not too appropriate here.

Please, if you're going to continue the thread, be careful which
messages you quote!

Scott

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Re: Boxee?

[Jesse Bollinger]

hank smith wrote:
> what does this thing do?
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Larry Wanger 
> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> 
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:53 PM
> *Subject:* Boxee?
>
> Is anyone successfully able to use VO with Boxee? I’m considering
> downloading and investigating it but thought I’d ask.
>
>  
>
>
>
> > I believe it's a program to watch tv shows and videos from the web.
>


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Re: Transferring files from Icon to Mac--SSH a possibility?

[Scott Howell]

Anna, you actually got your Icon to connect to the Mac?  Last I heard,  
this was still not possible.
On Aug 27, 2009, at 8:24 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote:

>
> Hi Terrence,
>
> The easiest thing is probably to connect the Icon to your Mac and put
> it in disk mode. Then use Finder to copy everything over. I did
> something similar recently and it worked great. You could also share
> the folders on your Icon and do it wirelessly but my guess is that
> would be slower than a USB connection.
>
> Best,
> Anna
>
>
> >


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Re: Statistics packages

[Chris Hofstader]

I would guess that you could get them from the author (try googling on  
SPSS JAWS, etc.) and you'll probably find them.  If not write an email  
to Eric Damery (er...@freedomscientific.com) and he will point you in  
the right direction.

cdh
On Aug 27, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

>
> Any idea where we can get these scripts for spss?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hofstader
> Sent: Friday, 28 August 2009 1:34 a.m.
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Statistics packages
>
>
> Hi,
>
> The "industry standard" for statics packages is SSPS and I do not know
> if there is a Macintosh version.  Peter Orem (probably misspelled) in
> the UK wrote a set of JAWS scripts and tends to keep them up to date
> so he and other blinks can use the program.
>
> Math in general is a very touchy subject around people with vision
> impairment.  LaTeX is an excellent notation system but was designed to
> generate nicely formatted print output.  Knuth (now a professor at
> Stanford who hates being bothered), authored of TeX and LaTex and, in
> one of his fairly rare public statements expressed near shock that
> people were using the tools to actually manipulate equations.
>
> I would recommend the Nimith (also likely misspelled) or DotsPlus
> (John Gardner of ViewPlus) Braille systems for math.  Both were
> designed from the ground up to be used by blind people (Nimith and
> Gardner are both blind)  and both take up less very expensive real
> estate on a refreshable display.  You can contact Gardner personally
> at ViewPlus, I think Abe Nimith is long retired and probably hard to
> find.
>
> The basic differences in the systems is that Gardner uses an 8 dot
> output and Nimith, being much older, uses only the original 6 dots.
> While Gardner can fit more information in a single, thus furthering
> the efficiency of those expensive cells, it is far less widely known
> so, if you encounter other blinks, they will be more likely to know
> Nimith than any of the eight or nine other systems, including Gardner,
> out there for math.  If you live in Australia, though, you will find a
> whole lot of DotsPlus users doing math with Braille - I've no clue why
> people down under embraced that system over the others except that, to
> many people, it is thought to be superior and because fewer cells so a
> smaller Braille display  will work decently.
>
> Once again, I don't know if SSPS has a version for Macintosh nor do I
> know if the Macintosh Braille output can jump in and out of different
> translation tables (does anyone here switch from English to another
> human language and back using Braille?).  There are other math
> packages: Mathematica, MathCAD for instance,   that may have Macintosh
> versions  but I know not if they support jumping in and out of the
> tactile systems like Nimith and DotsPlus.
>
> Ted Henter is actively working on his HenterMath program again but it
> will definitely not be done in time for your coursework this fall.
>
> I think that both Freedom Scientific and Humanware have low cost
> Nimith tutorials for PAC Mate and BrailleNote respectively.  I've
> never used either  so I can't not give a first hand endorsement but
> the one from FS grew out of the very popular Nimith tutorial sold (or
> was it given away)  by Blazie back in the old days.
>
> I know of lots of people working on various aspects of handling math
> without vision.  You might look up Art Carshmer, a professor at UC San
> Francisco, for whom math for blinks has been nearly his entire
> research career.  There are others out there and, if you are
> interested, write to me off list and I can help you with introductions
> and such as the information above is nearly 100% of what I can recall
> about this subject on my first cup of coffee.
>
> Happy Hacking,
> cdh
>
>
>
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Re: why is openoffice accessible and neoofficeenot

[Chris Hofstader]

I've heard from friends at Sun, the people who brought you the Java  
Access Bridge for Windows and GNU/Linux platforms that there has been  
a Macintosh version in the works.

Since then, though, two major events have changed the landscape:

1.  Sun has been acquired by Oracle, a company who, at best, has been  
lukewarm to accessibility and the Sun powerhouse accessibility team  
may be starved of funds as Oracle doesn't seem to see it as terribly  
important.

2.  The fellow who, as a volunteer, wrote the newish Window-Eyes Java  
support code using the very cool GW scripting facility, did so by  
ignoring the Access Bridge and communicating with the Java VM  
directly.  the GW scripts are profoundly faster than those in JAWS and  
they include more information in a much more well organized manner.   
Also, the GW Java is much more stable as the bridge introduced an  
entire layer of flaky code.

I don't know anything about how Macintosh programs communicate with  
each other but, following the GW lead, I would assume one could build  
a solution based on the WE scripts as the part that talks to the VM is  
going to be very similar if not identical.

Happy Hacking,
cdh

On Aug 27, 2009, at 3:27 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:

> Hmm, in the windows world, there was a java access bridge that  
> interfaced between Windows accessibility and Java Swing. Is there  
> anything like that for the Mac? I wonder how hard it would be to  
> port. (I am not a good enough programmer to do this right now.)
>
> Jon
>
> On Aug 27, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>
>> From poking around it would appear that NeoOffice uses Java swing  
>> for the user interface and I suspect the Java swing to apple  
>> accessibility API connections are either not wired up or non- 
>> existant. I just downloaded NeoOffice and isntalled patch 7 and it  
>> was still inaccessible. It defaulted to opening up a text processor  
>> document and nothing I typed was read back to me.
>>
>> CB
>>
>> a radix wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello, I wonder, why is neooffice not accessible? I thought it was  
>>> a fork of openoffice and even a fork made more for the mac then  
>>> openoffice. Should it not then be more accesible?
>>> Greetings, Anouk,
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> >


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faulty SL discs

[william lomas]

Hi beware. Macworld UK are saying that some users can't install  
snowleopard. The discs are faulty so not sure if that applies to all  
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Re: just ordered sl over the phone

[Michael Babcock]

hi;
i did order it over the phone likewise, however, won't get mine tell  
september 2nd threw the 8th
mike
On Aug 28, 2009, at 12:55 AM, a radix wrote:

> Hello, I had actually called apple yesterday but it took a lng  
> time so i gave up. I tried it again this morning and it took very  
> long too but i persisted and got through eventually. I have a bit of  
> trouble with the apple store website and since it is possible to  
> order stuff over the phone i prefer to do that. According to the  
> woman on the phone however, they cant sell you the upgrade for 10  
> dollar (euro in my case) over the phone and you have to order it  
> online. I told her that i was blind and having trouble with the  
> website and that no one was nearby to help me (after waiting 30  
> minutes on the phone i wanted to get it over and done with) she let  
> me order the 29 dollar version and says the rest of the money will  
> be returned to me. How cool is that!
> She also asked me how i used the computer and i told her all about  
> voiceover.
> Greetings, Anouk
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Re: clean install or upgrade?

[John JD Denning]

I've done only upgrades since Panther on my 4 year old iMac G5.  
Upgrades work fine in most cases. Just as any time you do brain  
surgery on your OS, have a backup. Also disconnect any external  
drives. You don't have to, but it's a best practice.

I'll do an update on my Macbook, but a clean install on one of our  
Mini's, it had a dead HD, so this was a perfect time to fix that.

On Aug 28, 2009, at 5:28 AM, Chris G wrote:

>
> Hi,
> I'm planning on doing an upgrade.  So we will see how that goes.
> Chris
>
>
>
> On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 07:06:45 +0100
> william lomas  wrote:
>
>>
>> you go to the utilities menu in the installer i think chose disc
>> utility then erase and install.
>> I will watch feedback over next couple months then upgrade but at
>> present what I have is working
>>
>> On 28 Aug 2009, at 06:54, Jessi and Goldina wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I plan to do a clean install also and plan to record it too. I'm not
>>> sure if I'll spread it around, I guess it depends on how well I feel
>>> it goes, lol. this is my first time ever installing an OS on any
>>> platform though, so I thought it should be recorded haha. can  
>>> someone
>>> explain the steps for doing a "clean install?" I'm sure it's been
>>> discussed to death but I've been away at my cabin and had about 2000
>>> messages in my inbox so didn't pay much attention as I rapidly
>>> deleted, lol. I assume a clean install means deleting leopard and  
>>> all
>>> other data? which would of course mean backing up first...I can't  
>>> use
>>> time machine cuz it won't work with my external drive without me
>>> deleting everything off it and I'm so not doing that, so I plan to
>>> just copy and paste all my data and stuff over. I guess I'll lose my
>>> emails, but maybe there's some way other than time machine of
>>> archiving them before I do this?
>>>
>>> and now I'll stop rambling, I'm sure I'm not making much sense. it's
>>> time for bed and book for me. but I just wanna make sure I have all
>>> the steps in place for when the big moment comes!!! I'm pretty  
>>> excited
>>> about it!!
>>> Jessi and Goldina
>>> On 27-Aug-09, at 9:55 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>>>

 I would reccomend that you do a clean install, it may take a bit  
 more
 time to reinstall everything, but it's usually more reliable,
 certainly that's what I'm going to do, and I plan on recording mac
 pod
 cast number 10, dedicated to the install of snow leopard, so stay
 tuned for that.
 On Aug 27, 2009, at 9:17 AM, a radix wrote:

> Hello, i am ordering sl via the phone now. I wonder, is an upgrade
> (so not a totally clean install) recommended? I know it is a VERY
> BAD IDEA on a iwndows machine but i wonder if it is ok on a mac? I
> would actually like it if my current settings could be used.
> Greetings, Anouk
>
>>


>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>
>
> -- 
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>
>
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Fwd: Snow Leopard changes how file and drive sizes are calculated

[Scott Howell]

Here's an article that will screw with your mind a bit. :)

Begin forwarded message:

> Date: August 28, 2009 3:28:47 AM EDT
> Subject: Snow Leopard changes how file and drive sizes are calculated
> Source: MacFixIt
>
> When you ask most non-geeks how many "bytes" are in a "kilobyte",  
> after thinking about the root of the prefix "kilo" they might tell  
> you "one thousand", and be both right and wrong at the same time.
> Read more…
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searching for text on a webpage problems

[a radix]

Hello, when using windows i mostly navigated websites by either arrowing down 
or searching for text, i used a small program called webformator that 
translated the webpage in a sort of text file, you could for example search for 
edit and it would bring you to the first edit fieold because it treated its own 
labels as text too, so you could also navigate to combo boxed checkboxes etc 
etc.
I am now on a site where i read messages and i would like to go to a new 
message, the page contains multiple messages, the way i normally do is search 
for the words join date, i do control option f and type the text but my cursor 
does not jump to that contents.
what can i do, am i pressing the right keys or do i need to use a built-in 
safari function for this to work?
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RE: why is openoffice accessible and neoofficeenot

[Donal Fitzpatrick]

Hi there,
 
at the risk of taking this off topic (and I'm not sure I'm doing so) is the
GWJava stuff open-source?  It would be very interesting indeed to see how
they're doing the communication with the virtual machine.  I'm just thinking
that it might make a nice final year undergraduate project to port across to
OSX.  If you'd like to contact me off-list on this one that would be
perfectly fine.
 
Dónal

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hofstader
Sent: 28 August 2009 12:15
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: why is openoffice accessible and neoofficeenot


I've heard from friends at Sun, the people who brought you the Java Access
Bridge for Windows and GNU/Linux platforms that there has been a Macintosh
version in the works.   

Since then, though, two major events have changed the landscape:

1.  Sun has been acquired by Oracle, a company who, at best, has been
lukewarm to accessibility and the Sun powerhouse accessibility team may be
starved of funds as Oracle doesn't seem to see it as terribly important.

2.  The fellow who, as a volunteer, wrote the newish Window-Eyes Java
support code using the very cool GW scripting facility, did so by ignoring
the Access Bridge and communicating with the Java VM directly.  the GW
scripts are profoundly faster than those in JAWS and they include more
information in a much more well organized manner.  Also, the GW Java is much
more stable as the bridge introduced an entire layer of flaky code.

I don't know anything about how Macintosh programs communicate with each
other but, following the GW lead, I would assume one could build a solution
based on the WE scripts as the part that talks to the VM is going to be very
similar if not identical.

Happy Hacking,
cdh
  

On Aug 27, 2009, at 3:27 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:


Hmm, in the windows world, there was a java access bridge that interfaced
between Windows accessibility and Java Swing. Is there anything like that
for the Mac? I wonder how hard it would be to port. (I am not a good enough
programmer to do this right now.) 

Jon

On Aug 27, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:



>From poking around it would appear that NeoOffice uses Java swing for the
user interface and I suspect the Java swing to apple accessibility API
connections are either not wired up or non-existant. I just downloaded
NeoOffice and isntalled patch 7 and it was still inaccessible. It defaulted
to opening up a text processor document and nothing I typed was read back to
me.

CB

a radix wrote: 

Hello, I wonder, why is neooffice not accessible? I thought it was a fork of
openoffice and even a fork made more for the mac then openoffice. Should it
not then be more accesible?
Greetings, Anouk,















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cant display certain pages in safari

[a radix]

Hello, I just wanted to listen to some radio stations but i got an error that 
safari could not find the required plugin. These pages do require windows media 
player and they play inside the webbrowser. Will flip4mac solve this? Also i 
found it strange that safari totally quit when this happened and i had to use 
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Re: why is openoffice accessible and neoofficeenot

[Chris Hofstader]

I'm pretty sure the source code for the GW Java stuff is available for  
download either at their scripts central page or somewhere nearby.
On Aug 28, 2009, at 7:21 AM, Donal Fitzpatrick wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> at the risk of taking this off topic (and I'm not sure I'm doing so)  
> is the GWJava stuff open-source?  It would be very interesting  
> indeed to see how they're doing the communication with the virtual  
> machine.  I'm just thinking that it might make a nice final year  
> undergraduate project to port across to OSX.  If you'd like to  
> contact me off-list on this one that would be perfectly fine.
>
> Dónal
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Chris Hofstader
> Sent: 28 August 2009 12:15
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: why is openoffice accessible and neoofficeenot
>
> I've heard from friends at Sun, the people who brought you the Java  
> Access Bridge for Windows and GNU/Linux platforms that there has  
> been a Macintosh version in the works.
>
> Since then, though, two major events have changed the landscape:
>
> 1.  Sun has been acquired by Oracle, a company who, at best, has  
> been lukewarm to accessibility and the Sun powerhouse accessibility  
> team may be starved of funds as Oracle doesn't seem to see it as  
> terribly important.
>
> 2.  The fellow who, as a volunteer, wrote the newish Window-Eyes  
> Java support code using the very cool GW scripting facility, did so  
> by ignoring the Access Bridge and communicating with the Java VM  
> directly.  the GW scripts are profoundly faster than those in JAWS  
> and they include more information in a much more well organized  
> manner.  Also, the GW Java is much more stable as the bridge  
> introduced an entire layer of flaky code.
>
> I don't know anything about how Macintosh programs communicate with  
> each other but, following the GW lead, I would assume one could  
> build a solution based on the WE scripts as the part that talks to  
> the VM is going to be very similar if not identical.
>
> Happy Hacking,
> cdh
>
> On Aug 27, 2009, at 3:27 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
>
>> Hmm, in the windows world, there was a java access bridge that  
>> interfaced between Windows accessibility and Java Swing. Is there  
>> anything like that for the Mac? I wonder how hard it would be to  
>> port. (I am not a good enough programmer to do this right now.)
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> On Aug 27, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>>
>>> From poking around it would appear that NeoOffice uses Java swing  
>>> for the user interface and I suspect the Java swing to apple  
>>> accessibility API connections are either not wired up or non- 
>>> existant. I just downloaded NeoOffice and isntalled patch 7 and it  
>>> was still inaccessible. It defaulted to opening up a text  
>>> processor document and nothing I typed was read back to me.
>>>
>>> CB
>>>
>>> a radix wrote:

 Hello, I wonder, why is neooffice not accessible? I thought it  
 was a fork of openoffice and even a fork made more for the mac  
 then openoffice. Should it not then be more accesible?
 Greetings, Anouk,


>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> >


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shortcut to download folder

[a radix]

Hello, I notice safari does not automatically start playing mp3-streams into an 
external player, i like that, but is there a shortcut to the download folder 
like there is for the home folder?
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System Profiler, something I wasn't aware of

[Dane Trethowan]

Hi!

I'm sure most of you are aware of the System Profiler in your "Apple"  
Menu? This utility displays a profile of your Mac

I've just had to use it to check on something and I thought I'd do  
some further exploration and I was well rewarded.  For example, did  
you know that you can save your System profile to a file? Very handy  
to email the tech should you have to or send to someone, you can save  
in multiple formats including XML, RTF and TXT.



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Google down?

[Mike]

Hi all:

is the Google search engine off line?
Not able to access the .ca or .com domain.
Haven't been able to access for a few days now.

mike
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Re: Google down?

[Jesse Bollinger]

I just accessed it fine. Must be one of those wierd things. If your able 
to access other pages fine I'd say maybe it's on your isp's end or 
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Re: cant display certain pages in safari

[James & Nash]

What version of Safari are you using? Are you using SL? Fip4Mac should solve 
your problems.


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  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 12:28 PM
  Subject: cant display certain pages in safari


  Hello, I just wanted to listen to some radio stations but i got an error that 
safari could not find the required plugin. These pages do require windows media 
player and they play inside the webbrowser. Will flip4mac solve this? Also i 
found it strange that safari totally quit when this happened and i had to use 
the force quit option.
  Greetings, Anouk,

  

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RE: why is openoffice accessible and neoofficeenot

[Donal Fitzpatrick]

thanks very much CDH that looks excellent and really interesting.
 
Best,
 
Dónal

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hofstader
Sent: 28 August 2009 13:14
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: why is openoffice accessible and neoofficeenot


I'm pretty sure the source code for the GW Java stuff is available for
download either at their scripts central page or somewhere nearby.

On Aug 28, 2009, at 7:21 AM, Donal Fitzpatrick wrote:


Hi there,
 
at the risk of taking this off topic (and I'm not sure I'm doing so) is the
GWJava stuff open-source?  It would be very interesting indeed to see how
they're doing the communication with the virtual machine.  I'm just thinking
that it might make a nice final year undergraduate project to port across to
OSX.  If you'd like to contact me off-list on this one that would be
perfectly fine.
 
Dónal

  _  

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hofstader
Sent: 28 August 2009 12:15
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: why is openoffice accessible and neoofficeenot


I've heard from friends at Sun, the people who brought you the Java Access
Bridge for Windows and GNU/Linux platforms that there has been a Macintosh
version in the works.   

Since then, though, two major events have changed the landscape:

1.  Sun has been acquired by Oracle, a company who, at best, has been
lukewarm to accessibility and the Sun powerhouse accessibility team may be
starved of funds as Oracle doesn't seem to see it as terribly important.

2.  The fellow who, as a volunteer, wrote the newish Window-Eyes Java
support code using the very cool GW scripting facility, did so by ignoring
the Access Bridge and communicating with the Java VM directly.  the GW
scripts are profoundly faster than those in JAWS and they include more
information in a much more well organized manner.  Also, the GW Java is much
more stable as the bridge introduced an entire layer of flaky code.

I don't know anything about how Macintosh programs communicate with each
other but, following the GW lead, I would assume one could build a solution
based on the WE scripts as the part that talks to the VM is going to be very
similar if not identical.

Happy Hacking,
cdh
  

On Aug 27, 2009, at 3:27 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:


Hmm, in the windows world, there was a java access bridge that interfaced
between Windows accessibility and Java Swing. Is there anything like that
for the Mac? I wonder how hard it would be to port. (I am not a good enough
programmer to do this right now.) 

Jon

On Aug 27, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:



>From poking around it would appear that NeoOffice uses Java swing for the
user interface and I suspect the Java swing to apple accessibility API
connections are either not wired up or non-existant. I just downloaded
NeoOffice and isntalled patch 7 and it was still inaccessible. It defaulted
to opening up a text processor document and nothing I typed was read back to
me.

CB

a radix wrote: 

Hello, I wonder, why is neooffice not accessible? I thought it was a fork of
openoffice and even a fork made more for the mac then openoffice. Should it
not then be more accesible?
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[Mac-cessibility News] Review - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard With VoiceOver

[Maccessibility]

Review - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard With VoiceOver

We're pleased to bring you our review of Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard with
VoiceOver, where Josh de Lioncourt takes a look at the latest iteration of
Apple's Macintosh operating system from a VoiceOver users perspective.
As always, enjoy, and feel free to comment with your own thoughts on Snow
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Re: Boxee?

[Larry Wanger]

Its an entertainment oriented app. Ultimately, you'd hook your  
computer to your TV. You can access Netflix, Hulu, and all sorts of  
other online video and audio services in addition to media on your own  
network. It has bit torrent built in and all sorts of other features.  
It also allows you to share what you're watching or listening to and  
you can see what others are checking out as well. A great social  
networking aspect. It looks very cool.


On Aug 28, 2009, at 12:09 AM, hank smith wrote:

> what does this thing do?
> - Original Message -
> From: Larry Wanger
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:53 PM
> Subject: Boxee?
>
> Is anyone successfully able to use VO with Boxee? I’m considering  
> downloading and investigating it but thought I’d ask.
>
>
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beep sound when pressing space?

[a radix]

Hello, for some reason i get a beep sound when i press the spacebar and i is 
kind of irritating, is there a way to turn this off (i already have sounds in 
voicover turned off).
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Re: Supported apps on Snow Leopard

[matthew dyer]

I see that aydim  works fine, but grol some times it does and other times not.

Matthew



On 8/27/09, David Hole  wrote:
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> Hello folks
> Check out this one to see if your apps works under Snow Leopard:
> http://snowleopard.wikidot.com/
> David
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Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Review - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard With VoiceOver

[Chris Hofstader]

Nice article.
On Aug 28, 2009, at 10:19 AM, Maccessibility wrote:

>
> Review - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard With VoiceOver
>
> We're pleased to bring you our review of Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard  
> with
> VoiceOver, where Josh de Lioncourt takes a look at the latest  
> iteration of
> Apple's Macintosh operating system from a VoiceOver users perspective.
> As always, enjoy, and feel free to comment with your own thoughts on  
> Snow
> Leopard.
>
> You can read the rest of this news item at:
> http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/08/28/review-mac-os-x-10-6-snow-leopard-with-voiceover/
>
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anyone tried quicknav?

[william lomas]

hi all has anyone yet tried quicknav in snowleopard?
If so how does one interact etc, if not using the voiceover keys?
WIll


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Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Review - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard With VoiceOver

[Larry Wanger]

Great review. I was going to wait and get SL later as I didn't seee it  
as a must have but after reading this I can't wait to get my hands on  
it. My Macbook Pro is from May of 2007 and I suspect it does not allow  
for the track pad navigation but the other improvements sound  
terrific. My poor iMac G5 is a power PC model that is 4 years old now.  
Its being left in the dust, can't even upgrade it.  Too bad.


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>
> Review - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard With VoiceOver
>
> We're pleased to bring you our review of Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard  
> with
> VoiceOver, where Josh de Lioncourt takes a look at the latest  
> iteration of
> Apple's Macintosh operating system from a VoiceOver users perspective.
> As always, enjoy, and feel free to comment with your own thoughts on  
> Snow
> Leopard.
>
> You can read the rest of this news item at:
> http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/08/28/review-mac-os-x-10-6-snow-leopard-with-voiceover/
>
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Re: Transferring files from Icon to Mac--SSH a possibility?

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Scott,

I'm running the public beta - don't know if that makes any difference  
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some adium questions

[a radix]

Hellol i have installed adium and that was very easy, is it possible to get 
some kind of popup window when a new message is received? I tried navigating 
the chat window (in which you type messages) and found it a bit daunting, 
apparently it does not only show your current chat session but also messages 
that you received while you were not online. Is it possible to limit it to the 
current chat session?
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Re: System Profiler, something I wasn't aware of

[Søren Jensen]

Yeah. System Profiler is awesome. It contains a lot of great  
information about your Mac. I got pretty surprised then I found out  
how much information it gives. I can give you an example. Here is what  
it says about my power:

Battery Information:

   Model Information:
   Serial Number:   DP-ASMB016-38cd-23e3
   Manufacturer:DP
   Device name: ASMB016
   Pack Lot Code:   0002
   PCB Lot Code:
   Firmware Version:0110
   Hardware Revision:   0500
   Cell Revision:   0102
   Charge Information:
   Charge remaining (mAh):  4724
   Fully charged:   Yes
   Charging:No
   Full charge capacity (mAh):  4848
   Health Information:
   Cycle count: 17
   Condition:   Good
   Battery Installed:   Yes
   Amperage (mA):   0
   Voltage (mV):12468

System Power Settings:

   AC Power:
   System Sleep Timer (Minutes):0
   Disk Sleep Timer (Minutes):  0
   Display Sleep Timer (Minutes):   10
   Automatic Restart On Power Loss: No
   Wake On AC Change:   No
   Wake On Clamshell Open:  Yes
   Wake On LAN: Yes
   Display Sleep Uses Dim:  Yes
   Battery Power:
   System Sleep Timer (Minutes):0
   Disk Sleep Timer (Minutes):  0
   Display Sleep Timer (Minutes):   2
   Wake On AC Change:   No
   Wake On Clamshell Open:  Yes
   Display Sleep Uses Dim:  Yes
   Reduce Brightness:   Yes

Hardware Configuration:

   UPS Installed:   No

AC Charger Information:

   Connected:   Yes
   Charging:No


Best regards:
Søren Jensen
Mail & MSN:
s...@coolfortheblind.dk
Website:
http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/

On 28/08/2009, at 14.36, Dane Trethowan wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I'm sure most of you are aware of the System Profiler in your  
> "Apple" Menu? This utility displays a profile of your Mac
>
> I've just had to use it to check on something and I thought I'd do  
> some further exploration and I was well rewarded.  For example, did  
> you know that you can save your System profile to a file? Very handy  
> to email the tech should you have to or send to someone, you can  
> save in multiple formats including XML, RTF and TXT.
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Re: anyone tried quicknav?

[Scott Howell]

Will, you interact by pressing down and right arrow together.
On Aug 28, 2009, at 10:04 AM, william lomas wrote:

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> If so how does one interact etc, if not using the voiceover keys?
> WIll
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voiceover in snowleopard thanks to josh!

[william lomas]

hi all thanks to lioncourt.com here is a review of all the 
voice  
over features, in snow leopard.
Josh, can I please assume that quick nav is only used for navigating  
web etc. as you will still need the modifier keys though to go to doc,  
bring up link chooser etc?
I, to, like the trackpad so may inthe future (although have only had  
this mac a year) upgrade the macbook. Incidentally though in the  
quickstart tutorial what happens when you get to the gesture elements  
does it skip?
Again thanks
WIll


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Re: shortcut to download folder

[Chris Blouch]

Hmm. Not that I know of. Best I could come up with was VO-D to bring up 
the dock and then d o w to move to downloads. You could also do 
command-shift-g to bring up the Go to Folder dialogue and then put in 
~/Downloads, but that's even more typing.

CB

a radix wrote:
> Hello, I notice safari does not automatically start playing 
> mp3-streams into an external player, i like that, but is there a 
> shortcut to the download folder like there is for the home folder?
> Greetings, Anouk,
>
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Re: anyone tried quicknav?

[Josh de Lioncourt]

Will,

QuickNav is one of my favorite features of Snow Leopard. I discuss  
this in my review on Lioncourt.com, but essentially, Left/Right arrows  
toggle QuickNav on and off. Down-Right interacts. Down-Left stops  
interacting. Up-Down clicks an item, same as VO-Space.

HTH.

On Aug 28, 2009, at 7:04 AM, william lomas wrote:

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>   hi all has anyone yet tried quicknav in snowleopard?
> If so how does one interact etc, if not using the voiceover keys?
> WIll
>
>
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Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Review - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard With VoiceOver

[James & Nash]

Very nice article. Did I hear correctly? It is now possible to script Voice 
Over and share scripts? If so, where can i find out more about this and how 
to get started? Are there any limitations to the scripting functionality?

Thanks

James
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VoiceOver


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> Nice article.
> On Aug 28, 2009, at 10:19 AM, Maccessibility wrote:
>
>>
>> Review - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard With VoiceOver
>>
>> We're pleased to bring you our review of Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
>> with
>> VoiceOver, where Josh de Lioncourt takes a look at the latest
>> iteration of
>> Apple's Macintosh operating system from a VoiceOver users perspective.
>> As always, enjoy, and feel free to comment with your own thoughts on
>> Snow
>> Leopard.
>>
>> You can read the rest of this news item at:
>> http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/08/28/review-mac-os-x-10-6-snow-leopard-with-voiceover/
>>
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slick!

[william lomas]

Hi I am helping a friend install mac os x snowleopard and we could  
isntal it direct from within mac os x leopard itself! click ont he  
icon, click next, agree to license, customize anthing and boom, done!
and, as voices are only available in english this is the quickest way  
to install so no booting up from the DVD!


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Re: anyone tried quicknav?

[william lomas]

hi josh but as stated in article, its limitations are present so you  
can't go to the doc with this feature etc etc? so you would still need  
to use the VO keys to accomplish tasks like links lists, etc

On 28 Aug 2009, at 16:27, Josh de Lioncourt wrote:

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> Will,
>
> QuickNav is one of my favorite features of Snow Leopard. I discuss
> this in my review on Lioncourt.com, but essentially, Left/Right arrows
> toggle QuickNav on and off. Down-Right interacts. Down-Left stops
> interacting. Up-Down clicks an item, same as VO-Space.
>
> HTH.
>
> On Aug 28, 2009, at 7:04 AM, william lomas wrote:
>
>>
>>  hi all has anyone yet tried quicknav in snowleopard?
>> If so how does one interact etc, if not using the voiceover keys?
>> WIll
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
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Re: shortcut to download folder

[Jonathan Cohn]

You could add it to your sidebar...
  1. Go to finder.
2. Open a new window command-n
3. Switch to home command-shift-h
4. Select downloads by typing the word until downloads is selected.
5. make it  favorite command-t.
On
  Aug 28, 2009, at 10:07 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:

> Hmm. Not that I know of. Best I could come up with was VO-D to bring  
> up the dock and then d o w to move to downloads. You could also do  
> command-shift-g to bring up the Go to Folder dialogue and then put  
> in ~/Downloads, but that's even more typing.
>
> CB
>
> a radix wrote:
>>
>> Hello, I notice safari does not automatically start playing mp3- 
>> streams into an external player, i like that, but is there a  
>> shortcut to the download folder like there is for the home folder?
>> Greetings, Anouk,
>>
>>
>
> >


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Re: Transferring files from Icon to Mac--SSH a possibility?

[Scott Howell]

That is very good news.  I was one of the original testers of the unit  
and at that time it would not work.  So, it is good to know they have  
finally been able to address this issue in the more recent software.

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> Hi Scott,
>
> I'm running the public beta - don't know if that makes any difference
> - but yes, I connected my Braille Plus to a USB port,turned on disk
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Re: clean install or upgrade?

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi,

Years ago, I upgraded from Windows 95 to 98 with no problems. I figure  
if that worked, upgrading from Leopard to Snow Leopard should be fine,  
so I'm not doing a clean install.

Best,
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Snow Leopard compatible Infovox iVox voices now in public beta

[David Niemeijer]

Hi Everyone,

Acapela Group and AssistiveWare today announced a public beta of  
Infovox iVox 2.0. Infovox iVox 2.0 brings Snow Leopard compatibility,  
significantly improves performance and responsiveness and adds a  
number of new voices for the following languages: Arabic, French,  
German, Flemish, Spanish, Brazilian Portuguese and Turkish. These  
voices work with virtually any Speech Manager compliant Mac OS X  
application, including VoiceOver, Preview, TextEdit, AssistiveWare  
VisioVoice, ConvenienceWare GhostReader, and Adobe Acrobat.

Today's press release:
http://www.assistiveware.com/pr.php#PR280809

Infovox iVox 1.3, the currently shipping version, is not compatible  
with Mac OS X 10.6 "Snow Leopard". A complete rewrite of the core iVox  
speech engine was necessary to make Infovox iVox 64-bit compatible and  
ready for Snow Leopard. Despite the major engineering efforts, Infovox  
iVox 2.0 is offered as a free update in order to facilitate the  
migration to Snow Leopard for those people who rely on these natural  
sounding voices to use their computer.

Because of the large number of languages available in Infovox iVox,  
not all languages will be available immediately as part of the public  
beta. The first languages to be released will be American English,  
British English, French, German, Italian, Canadian French, Spanish,  
American Spanish, Swedish and Norwegian. This was done about an hour  
ago. More languages will follow in the coming weeks. Languages are  
made available in public beta step by step to allow for basic internal  
tests before a language is made available as part of the public beta.

We want to take this occasion to thank the beta testers for their  
excellent feedback. We are currently seeking testers (max 2 per  
language) for the following languages that are not yet in public beta:  
Portuguese, Brazilian Portuguese, Dutch, Flemish, Danish, Russian,  
Finnish, Czech, Polish, Turkish, Arabic. In order to be accepted as a  
tester (first come first serve basis) you need to be an experienced  
VoiceOver users and native speaker of the language and also be able to  
read and write in English. You also need to be familiar with Infovox  
iVox (have at least used the demo in the past) but do not necessarily  
need to own a license. There is no remuneration for testing, but if  
you  provide good feedback we may provide you with a free license for  
a language of choice.

Cheers,

david.

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IMPORTANT - Re-post of petition link for Adobe Flash access

[Cara Quinn]

   I just wanted to take this opportunity to post this link again for  
those whom may not have seen this. Also, below is an important note on  
successfully adding your signature to the petition.

   Please do go and give this a look if you haven't already?…

Thanks so very much!…

Smiles,

Cara :)

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  This is very important to remember. So once more, clicking 'sign the  
petition' will cause an email to be sent to you. Click on the link in  
that email and then, and only then, will your signature be added to  
the petition.

  Please, do feel free to circulate this petition to any and all  
mailing lists, forums, chats etc, that you feel might be interested. I  
can't stress to you, enough, the importance of this. Adobe really  
needs to see AS MANY signatures here as possible.

  Pleas do show this to as many folks as you can, K?


  Thanks so much to all of you whom have signed this already! As  
always, ya'll way rock!


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anyone got experience with searching for tet within a webpage

[a radix]

Hello, i now tried the internal safari search and the voicover function but 
both dont seem to work. I rely a lot on searching text within a webpage to 
navigate but i cant seem to get it to work with voiceover/safari.
For example i post and read a lot on a big site called head-fi.org and to jump 
from post to post i always search for the text join date, or if i want to read 
my last post in a thread i search for jul 2008 (my join date).
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Re: anyone got experience with searching for tet within a webpage

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Anouk,

At the moment, your best bet is the Item Chooser, which you reach with  
VO-I. I hope searching web pages works better-with Snow Leopard. Has  
anyone tried it yet? I won't get my copy until sometime next week,  
unfortunately, or I'd try it.

Best,
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backing up/exporting On My Mac folders in Mail

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

 

I would like to do a clean install of Snow Leopard when it comes.  Mostly
this isn't a huge deal, because since I've just moved my stuff over to my
mac recently, I already have backups on my portable drive.  The one
exception to this is the folders I've created in mail.  Is there some way
that I can create a copy of these that I can restore after I've installed
Snow Leopard?

Thanks,

Donna


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Re: anyone got experience with searching for tet within a webpage

[Mark Baxter]

On  related note, is there a way to navigate by "visited links," on a  
webpage?  In a certain other screen reach which shall remain  
shamefully nameless (but not namefully shameless), you just hit V;  
what's the VO equivalent, if any?


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flac to alac converter, max from sbooth

[a radix]

Hello, has anyone tried max from sbooth? I wonder if it can do batsh convertion.
Greetings, Anouk,
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Re: backing up/exporting On My Mac folders in Mail

[James & Nash]

Hi Donna, 

I'm afraid I can't remember specifically as i don't have my new Mac yet, but I 
think you can copy all your contacts and rules by looking for someting to do 
with Mail in the Library folder. Perhaps someone can provide greater detail. 
Also, you can find help on this in the Mail help. Use Command and the question 
mark to bring it up. You'll then need to use the  Window Chooser Menu (VO =F2 
twice quickly) to find it as it is a floating window.

HTH

Take care 

James 
  - Original Message - 
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  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 5:14 PM
  Subject: backing up/exporting On My Mac folders in Mail


  Hi all,

   

  I would like to do a clean install of Snow Leopard when it comes.  Mostly 
this isn't a huge deal, because since I've just moved my stuff over to my mac 
recently, I already have backups on my portable drive.  The one exception to 
this is the folders I've created in mail.  Is there some way that I can create 
a copy of these that I can restore after I've installed Snow Leopard?

  Thanks,

  Donna


  

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using Shazam on the Iphone

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

 

When I use Shazam to tag a song, I always lose speech once the song has been
tagged.  Has anyone else experienced this, and if yes, have you found some
way to get speech back other than doing a reset?
TIA,

Donna

 


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Re: using Shazam on the Iphone

[a radix]

Hi, I will experiment a bit more with item chooser but i dont think that can 
reach the information i normaly use to navigate by.
I will have to experiment and read a bit more of the manual because i have 
never realy used advanced webpage navigating before, just searched for text on 
a page and got by, btw I also got my hands on the book you mentioned and am 
planning to read it this evening, on the mac. Thanks a lot for all your help 
and support, it is greatly appreciated.
Greetings, Anouk,
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  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 6:15 PM
  Subject: using Shazam on the Iphone


  Hi all,

   

  When I use Shazam to tag a song, I always lose speech once the song has been 
tagged.  Has anyone else experienced this, and if yes, have you found some way 
to get speech back other than doing a reset?
  TIA,

  Donna

   


  

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re: searching for text on a webpage

[a radix]

Sorry i replied to the wrong message before, i wanted to actually reply to 
annas message:
Hi, I will experiment a bit more with item chooser but i dont think that can 
reach the information i normaly use to navigate by. 

I will have to experiment and read a bit more of the manual because i have 
never realy used advanced webpage navigating before, just searched for text on 
a page and got by, btw I also got my hands on the book you mentioned and am 
planning to read it this evening, on the mac. Thanks a lot for all your help 
and support, it is greatly appreciated. 

Greetings, Anouk, 

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infovox ivox beta

[Justin Harford]

Hi all

Would any one here happen to have tried the infovox ivox voices with  
snow leopard?  How do they work?

J

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Re: Fwd: Snow Leopard changes how file and drive sizes are calculated

[Chris Blouch]

Makes sense to me. As one commenter mentioned, this just reconciles the 
disk space the OS reports with what the drive manufacturers advertise. 
No longer will you buy a 500GB drive and have it show up as 465GB. 
Another commenter pointed out that this was simply adoption of IEEE 1541.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1541-2002

CB

Scott Howell wrote:
> Here's an article that will screw with your mind a bit. :)
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> *Date: *August 28, 2009 3:28:47 AM EDT
>> *Subject: **Snow Leopard changes how file and drive sizes are calculated*
>> *Source: *MacFixIt
>>
>> When you ask most non-geeks how many "bytes" are in a "kilobyte", 
>> after thinking about the root of the prefix "kilo" they might tell 
>> you "one thousand", and be both right and wrong at the same time.
>>
>> Read more… 
>>
>
>
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Re: using Shazam on the Iphone

[Marie Howarth]

hit home and then relaunch, is the only way so far.

On Aug 28, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> When I use Shazam to tag a song, I always lose speech once the song  
> has been tagged.  Has anyone else experienced this, and if yes, have  
> you found some way to get speech back other than doing a reset?
> TIA,
> Donna
>
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Snow leopard just arrived

[Chris Blouch]

Shipped from Jonestown PA and just arrived here in VA. Starting the 
drive format and install now.

CB

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Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Review - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard With VoiceOver

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
What i can't help wondering about is if drag and drop is better  
supported in SL. For some reason i can't reach the voiceover keyboard  
commands. The page is empty and i can't fathom why. If there's a text  
file of the keyboard reference somewhere, i'd be happy to get it.
One feature that's also worth mentioning is that you can change voices  
on the fly, that's cool
/Krister
28 aug 2009 kl. 17.02 skrev Larry Wanger:

>
> Great review. I was going to wait and get SL later as I didn't seee it
> as a must have but after reading this I can't wait to get my hands on
> it. My Macbook Pro is from May of 2007 and I suspect it does not allow
> for the track pad navigation but the other improvements sound
> terrific. My poor iMac G5 is a power PC model that is 4 years old now.
> Its being left in the dust, can't even upgrade it.  Too bad.
>
>
> On Aug 28, 2009, at 7:19 AM, Maccessibility wrote:
>
>>
>> Review - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard With VoiceOver
>>
>> We're pleased to bring you our review of Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
>> with
>> VoiceOver, where Josh de Lioncourt takes a look at the latest
>> iteration of
>> Apple's Macintosh operating system from a VoiceOver users  
>> perspective.
>> As always, enjoy, and feel free to comment with your own thoughts on
>> Snow
>> Leopard.
>>
>> You can read the rest of this news item at:
>> http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/08/28/review-mac-os-x-10-6-snow-leopard-with-voiceover/
>>
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Re: anyone tried quicknav?

[Steven M. Sawczyn]

I've used it, you use different combinations of the arrow keys to  
interact, ETC...

Steve

On Aug 28, 2009, at 10:04 AM, william lomas wrote:


hi all has anyone yet tried quicknav in snowleopard?
If so how does one interact etc, if not using the voiceover keys?
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Re: anyone got experience with searching for tet within a webpage

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Mark,

In Snow Leopard, you can navigate by visited links.

Cheers,

Anne

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Re: Snow leopard just arrived

[Chris Blouch]

Total install took 19 minutes and filled 6.08GB of disk space. QuickNav 
worked during the install but the voice was not Alex. Probably takes 
less CPU or load time to use a lower quality voice. Even though I have 
VO on during the install, after the reboot I had to turn it on again.

CB

Chris Blouch wrote:
> Shipped from Jonestown PA and just arrived here in VA. Starting the 
> drive format and install now.
>
> CB
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flac-alac

[a radix]

Hello, i forgot that there is another codec for the mac that can handle flac 
files, switch. But can this also convert flac files directly to alac?
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[Mac-cessibility News] MacWorld's Christopher Breen Takes a Look at Snow Leopard's Universal Access Features

[Maccessibility]

MacWorld's Christopher Breen Takes a Look at Snow Leopard's Universal Access
Features

In a recent piece on MacWorld.com, senior editor Christopher Breen takes a look
at Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard's new Universal Access features. He examines
VoiceOver's Trackpad Commander, web browsing options, new QuickStart, and other
improvements. He also points out Snow Leopard's one additional option for the
hearing impaired.
It's fantastic to see Universal Access [...]

You can read the rest of this news item at:
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Re: anyone got experience with searching for tet within a webpage

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Mark,

Press VO-Command-V to go to the next visited link.

Best,
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Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Review - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard With VoiceOver

[John Panarese]

Hi Josh,
  This is a fantastic overview of Snow Leopard.  Great job and  
thanks for the information.


Take Care

John Panarese

On Aug 28, 2009, at 10:19 AM, Maccessibility wrote:

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> Review - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard With VoiceOver
>
> We're pleased to bring you our review of Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard  
> with
> VoiceOver, where Josh de Lioncourt takes a look at the latest  
> iteration of
> Apple's Macintosh operating system from a VoiceOver users perspective.
> As always, enjoy, and feel free to comment with your own thoughts on  
> Snow
> Leopard.
>
> You can read the rest of this news item at:
> http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/08/28/review-mac-os-x-10-6-snow-leopard-with-voiceover/
>
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Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Review - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard With VoiceOver

[Scott Chesworth]

Cheers Josh, really well written review, seems to be pretty thorough.

I must, must, must make it to an Apple store today.  This is the
excuse I've needed to buy a book on Apple Script and actually learn
something.

Scott

On 8/28/09, Maccessibility  wrote:
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> Review - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard With VoiceOver
>
> We're pleased to bring you our review of Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard with
> VoiceOver, where Josh de Lioncourt takes a look at the latest iteration of
> Apple's Macintosh operating system from a VoiceOver users perspective.
> As always, enjoy, and feel free to comment with your own thoughts on Snow
> Leopard.
>
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> http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/08/28/review-mac-os-x-10-6-snow-leopard-with-voiceover/
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Changing voices on the fly

[James & Nash]

One feature that's also worth mentioning is that you can change voices  on 
the fly, that's cool

How does this feature work? Do you have to navigate through all the various 
voices on Mac OS X or can you customize the list? Could you elaborate 
please?

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Re: Snow leopard just arrived

[william lomas]

i will just install from within leopard


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RE: using Shazam on the Iphone

[Donna Goodin]

That's OK, it's better than a reset! :)

Thanks.

Donna

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marie Howarth
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: using Shazam on the Iphone

 

hit home and then relaunch, is the only way so far.

 

On Aug 28, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:





Hi all,

 

When I use Shazam to tag a song, I always lose speech once the song has been
tagged.  Has anyone else experienced this, and if yes, have you found some
way to get speech back other than doing a reset?
TIA,

Donna

 





 



 

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Re: anyone tried quicknav?

[william lomas]

hi steve it is just like having control and option locked now though  
as in leopard so doubt i'd need it

On 28 Aug 2009, at 17:22, Steven M. Sawczyn wrote:

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> I've used it, you use different combinations of the arrow keys to
> interact, ETC...
>
> Steve
>
> On Aug 28, 2009, at 10:04 AM, william lomas wrote:
>
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>   hi all has anyone yet tried quicknav in snowleopard?
> If so how does one interact etc, if not using the voiceover keys?
> WIll
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Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Review - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard With VoiceOver

[william lomas]

are there books on apple script available to us?
if so, where?

On 28 Aug 2009, at 15:48, Scott Chesworth wrote:

>
> Cheers Josh, really well written review, seems to be pretty thorough.
>
> I must, must, must make it to an Apple store today.  This is the
> excuse I've needed to buy a book on Apple Script and actually learn
> something.
>
> Scott
>
> On 8/28/09, Maccessibility  wrote:
>>
>> Review - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard With VoiceOver
>>
>> We're pleased to bring you our review of Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard  
>> with
>> VoiceOver, where Josh de Lioncourt takes a look at the latest  
>> iteration of
>> Apple's Macintosh operating system from a VoiceOver users  
>> perspective.
>> As always, enjoy, and feel free to comment with your own thoughts  
>> on Snow
>> Leopard.
>>
>> You can read the rest of this news item at:
>> http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/08/28/review-mac-os-x-10-6-snow-leopard-with-voiceover/
>>
>> The Mac-cessibility Network
>> "...it's all within our reach..."
>> http://maccessibility.net
>>
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Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Review - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard With VoiceOver

[william lomas]

if you change voices on the fly are the recent voices you used at the  
top of the list?

On 28 Aug 2009, at 19:42, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

>
> Hi,
> What i can't help wondering about is if drag and drop is better
> supported in SL. For some reason i can't reach the voiceover keyboard
> commands. The page is empty and i can't fathom why. If there's a text
> file of the keyboard reference somewhere, i'd be happy to get it.
> One feature that's also worth mentioning is that you can change voices
> on the fly, that's cool
> /Krister
> 28 aug 2009 kl. 17.02 skrev Larry Wanger:
>
>>
>> Great review. I was going to wait and get SL later as I didn't seee  
>> it
>> as a must have but after reading this I can't wait to get my hands on
>> it. My Macbook Pro is from May of 2007 and I suspect it does not  
>> allow
>> for the track pad navigation but the other improvements sound
>> terrific. My poor iMac G5 is a power PC model that is 4 years old  
>> now.
>> Its being left in the dust, can't even upgrade it.  Too bad.
>>
>>
>> On Aug 28, 2009, at 7:19 AM, Maccessibility wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Review - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard With VoiceOver
>>>
>>> We're pleased to bring you our review of Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
>>> with
>>> VoiceOver, where Josh de Lioncourt takes a look at the latest
>>> iteration of
>>> Apple's Macintosh operating system from a VoiceOver users
>>> perspective.
>>> As always, enjoy, and feel free to comment with your own thoughts on
>>> Snow
>>> Leopard.
>>>
>>> You can read the rest of this news item at:
>>> http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/08/28/review-mac-os-x-10-6-snow-leopard-with-voiceover/
>>>
>>> The Mac-cessibility Network
>>> "...it's all within our reach..."
>>> http://maccessibility.net
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>>
>
>
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apple getting started with voicover guide for sl?

[a radix]

Hello, is there any indication when this will be available?
Greetings, Anouk,
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Re: Snow leopard just arrived

[James & Nash]

What voice was used? Just curious. Also what type of Mac do you have?

Thanks

Take care
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To: "Chris Blouch" 
Cc: "MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: Snow leopard just arrived


>
> Total install took 19 minutes and filled 6.08GB of disk space. QuickNav
> worked during the install but the voice was not Alex. Probably takes
> less CPU or load time to use a lower quality voice. Even though I have
> VO on during the install, after the reboot I had to turn it on again.
>
> CB
>
> Chris Blouch wrote:
>> Shipped from Jonestown PA and just arrived here in VA. Starting the
>> drive format and install now.
>>
>> CB
>>
>
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Re: anyone tried quicknav?

[James & Nash]

Apparently from what I've read, when QuickNav is turned on, pressing the 
down arrow to interact with an element or item assumes that you are already 
holding down the VO keys. It's like a hot key for interacting when Quick Nav 
is on. But of course others who are using SL would be better placed to 
extole its virtues. Should be getting my new Mac in a few weeks along with a 
shiny copy of SL but I will wait a while before upgrading until all the apps 
i use are SL compliant .
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To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by 
the blind" 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 3:04 PM
Subject: anyone tried quicknav?


>
> hi all has anyone yet tried quicknav in snowleopard?
> If so how does one interact etc, if not using the voiceover keys?
> WIll
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Re: clean install or upgrade?

[Chantel Cuddemi]

I am doing an upgrade as well.
On Aug 28, 2009, at 5:28 AM, Chris G wrote:

>
> Hi,
> I'm planning on doing an upgrade.  So we will see how that goes.
> Chris
>
>
>
> On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 07:06:45 +0100
> william lomas  wrote:
>
>>
>> you go to the utilities menu in the installer i think chose disc
>> utility then erase and install.
>> I will watch feedback over next couple months then upgrade but at
>> present what I have is working
>>
>> On 28 Aug 2009, at 06:54, Jessi and Goldina wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I plan to do a clean install also and plan to record it too. I'm not
>>> sure if I'll spread it around, I guess it depends on how well I feel
>>> it goes, lol. this is my first time ever installing an OS on any
>>> platform though, so I thought it should be recorded haha. can  
>>> someone
>>> explain the steps for doing a "clean install?" I'm sure it's been
>>> discussed to death but I've been away at my cabin and had about 2000
>>> messages in my inbox so didn't pay much attention as I rapidly
>>> deleted, lol. I assume a clean install means deleting leopard and  
>>> all
>>> other data? which would of course mean backing up first...I can't  
>>> use
>>> time machine cuz it won't work with my external drive without me
>>> deleting everything off it and I'm so not doing that, so I plan to
>>> just copy and paste all my data and stuff over. I guess I'll lose my
>>> emails, but maybe there's some way other than time machine of
>>> archiving them before I do this?
>>>
>>> and now I'll stop rambling, I'm sure I'm not making much sense. it's
>>> time for bed and book for me. but I just wanna make sure I have all
>>> the steps in place for when the big moment comes!!! I'm pretty  
>>> excited
>>> about it!!
>>> Jessi and Goldina
>>> On 27-Aug-09, at 9:55 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>>>

 I would reccomend that you do a clean install, it may take a bit  
 more
 time to reinstall everything, but it's usually more reliable,
 certainly that's what I'm going to do, and I plan on recording mac
 pod
 cast number 10, dedicated to the install of snow leopard, so stay
 tuned for that.
 On Aug 27, 2009, at 9:17 AM, a radix wrote:

> Hello, i am ordering sl via the phone now. I wonder, is an upgrade
> (so not a totally clean install) recommended? I know it is a VERY
> BAD IDEA on a iwndows machine but i wonder if it is ok on a mac? I
> would actually like it if my current settings could be used.
> Greetings, Anouk
>
>>


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>>>

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Web Navigation Commands in VoiceOver [was Re: anyone got experience with searching for tet within a webpage]

[Esther]

Hi Mark,

Under Leopard, VO-Command-V will take you to the next visited  
hyperlink and VO-Command-Shift-V to the previous visited hyperlink.  I  
assume that Snow Leopard supports this and other features.

More generally, to review the different web page navigation features  
in VoiceOver, bring up the VoiceOver menu (VO-F7), navigate to the  
Search menu (with arrow keys or by pressing "S"), and then right arrow  
to read the search menu options.  You can also use the shortcut VO- 
Shift-F to directly bring up this menu.  As a late-comer to the  
Leopard upgrade from Tiger, I spent some time reading through the  
improved navigation features listed here, especially the commands for  
header navigation like VO-Command-H to navigate to the next header and  
VO-Command-M to navigate to the next header at the same level (and the  
counterpart commands with the shift key added to navigate to the  
previous instance).  Spending some time with that search menu list (VO- 
Shift-F) will be very helpful in speeding up your web page navigation.

Also, for new list members, there's a configuration option under  
Safari you can check to give you more navigation options.  Bring up  
your preferences menu (Command-comma), Interact with the Toolbar (VO- 
Shift-Down Arrow) and navigate to the Advanced menu button (with VO- 
Right arrow). Press the button (VO-Space) and VO-Right arrow to the  
Advanced menu pane.   There's a Universal access option checkbox for  
"Press tab to highlight each item on a web page".  If it is unchecked,  
pressing tab just takes you to the next text box or button, while  
pressing option-tab highlights each element and takes you to the next  
link, text box, button, etc.  You can switch this behavior by checking  
the box with VO-Space.  Then Option-Tab will only navigate to the next  
text box or button (and skip all links), while tab takes you to the  
next element.  This is especially useful for Tiger users who don't  
have access to the added web navigation features of Leopard and is  
easy to overlook, since its not a VoiceOver utility setting, but one  
found in the Safari preferences.  When you're finished with the  
preferences menu, close the window with Command-W.

Not sure how long these instructions will be valid with Snow Leopard,  
but they help for Leopard.

Cheers,

Esther


Cheers,

Esther
Mark Baxter wrote:

>
> On  related note, is there a way to navigate by "visited links," on a
> webpage?  In a certain other screen reach which shall remain
> shamefully nameless (but not namefully shameless), you just hit V;
> what's the VO equivalent, if any?
>
>
> Mark BurningHawk Baxter
>
> Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
> MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
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quick start?

[william lomas]

Hey all if one quits the quick start which comes up I assume, when  
they have installed leopard, how do they bring it up again or is this  
not possible? I assume voice over command f eight doesn't work since  
on a friends it doesnothing


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Re: infovox ivox beta

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Justin,

On Aug 28, 2009, at 8:30 PM, Justin Harford wrote:
>
> Would any one here happen to have tried the infovox ivox voices with
> snow leopard?  How do they work?
>
They work better than ever. I've tried British English, French and  
French Canadian.

Cheers,

Anne


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Re: anyone tried quicknav?

[John André Netland]

Hi Will,

There is a huge difference between having the VO keys locked, and  
using the QuickNav feature.

When VO keys are locked, you do not have access to the keyboard for  
normal use, and you will need to hold the shift key to interact and  
stop interacting.
With QuickNav on, you can do it all with only the arrow keys by  
pressing different combinations of them, and you still have full  
access to your keyboard for texting and commands. Also, by still only  
using the QuickNav keys, you can switch the rotor status and jump  
between different items in the same category. The rotor status can be  
set to heading, links, frames etc. etc. and can be fully browsed by  
pressing VO-U. In QuickNav, you select rotor status with arrow up plus  
left or right arrow. After this, you jump with the up and down arrow.  
For example: Press left and up arrow at the same time until you hear  
"Heading", then down arrow until you hear the heading you want, right  
arrow to see what the body text sounds like, arrow down to next  
heading if you like etc.
This was all about using it on the web, but if you are in a text  
document, changing the rotor switches you between words, letters and  
plain navigation.


HOpe this helps,
John André



Den 28. aug. 2009 kl. 21.00 skrev william lomas:

>
> hi steve it is just like having control and option locked now though
> as in leopard so doubt i'd need it
>
> On 28 Aug 2009, at 17:22, Steven M. Sawczyn wrote:
>
>>
>> I've used it, you use different combinations of the arrow keys to
>> interact, ETC...
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> On Aug 28, 2009, at 10:04 AM, william lomas wrote:
>>
>>
>>  hi all has anyone yet tried quicknav in snowleopard?
>> If so how does one interact etc, if not using the voiceover keys?
>> WIll
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
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Re: anyone tried quicknav?

[Scott Chesworth]

Haven't tried it myself yet, but according to the review I just read:
hit left and right arrows together to enable or disable quick nav,
once enabled, arrow keys alone act as if VO keys are being held down,
Hit down and right arrows together to interact,
Hit down and left arrows together to end interaction,
Hit up and down arrows together to perform the standard action on any control.

If it's as well implimented as I'm hoping, I have a feeling this is
how I'll be doing 80% of my navigation from now on.  One handed,
simple, hats off to Apple for a good idea.

On 8/28/09, william lomas  wrote:
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>   hi all has anyone yet tried quicknav in snowleopard?
> If so how does one interact etc, if not using the voiceover keys?
> WIll
>
>
> >
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Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Review - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard With VoiceOver

[James & Nash]

Go here for at least some info and a tutorial on AppleScript
http://www.macosxautomation.com/applescript/
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VoiceOver


>
> are there books on apple script available to us?
> if so, where?
>
> On 28 Aug 2009, at 15:48, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>
>>
>> Cheers Josh, really well written review, seems to be pretty thorough.
>>
>> I must, must, must make it to an Apple store today.  This is the
>> excuse I've needed to buy a book on Apple Script and actually learn
>> something.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On 8/28/09, Maccessibility  wrote:
>>>
>>> Review - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard With VoiceOver
>>>
>>> We're pleased to bring you our review of Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
>>> with
>>> VoiceOver, where Josh de Lioncourt takes a look at the latest
>>> iteration of
>>> Apple's Macintosh operating system from a VoiceOver users
>>> perspective.
>>> As always, enjoy, and feel free to comment with your own thoughts
>>> on Snow
>>> Leopard.
>>>
>>> You can read the rest of this news item at:
>>> http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/08/28/review-mac-os-x-10-6-snow-leopard-with-voiceover/
>>>
>>> The Mac-cessibility Network
>>> "...it's all within our reach..."
>>> http://maccessibility.net
>>>
>>>

>>>
>>
>> >
>
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how to play chm files on the machELLO, I HAVE A CHM FILE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PLAY ON THE MAC BUT IT DOESNT SEEM AS IF IT IS STANDARD SUPPORTED, ON WINDOWS I WOULD USE THE HELP VIEWER. iS THERE A PROG

[a radix]

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Correction about Braille tables

[Anne Robertson]

Hello everyone,

I made a mistake about Swedish. This is another language for which we  
still need the Braille codes.

Cheers,

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Re: how to play chm files on the mac

[Moi Lejter]

There is this:

http://chmox.sourceforge.net/

Moises

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itunes

[a radix]

Hello, i am new to itunes, in windows i always used foobar, i had one big 
folder with files and i always pressed the key so that the whole fodler would 
be played ands huffle.d
I gathered that in itunes i needed to add stuff to the library so i added a big 
fodler with lots of files (all the music from the eurovision song contest from 
1956-2009 in mp3-format) to itunes (add to library) am i right in thinking that 
the files in the original fodler were copied (not deleted) tot he itunes folder 
and converted or what did happen?
Greetings, Anouk,
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dummies guide

[Damon Fibraio]

OK. I have two macs, a mac mini and a mac book pro, 2007 version. Sadly, I
haven't gotten up the tie or nerve to fully learn mac osx, so I use them as
windows pc's instead through bootcamp. I am intrigued by what I have read
about snowleopard and am considering dumping the $29 per license to get it.
Since I barely use the mac side of things, a full install would be fine. I
know I can hold down C while booting up and boot drom the CD, I think. Does
voice over come up automatically or do I have to issue the command to start
it once the install starts. Can somebody give me a quick reject guide to
getting this done? Also, will the macbook pro 2007 models work with the
multitouch track pad features of SL? Thanks. 



 

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way files are sorted on os x

[a radix]

Hello I am now copying over some files from my windows machine to the mac (no 
better way to learn the system then just using it) i am noticing though that it 
seems as if folders are not sorted first (in windows i first got a list of all 
the folders and then the files) this seems to be different on the mac, this is 
a bit of a problem for me sinc emy music folder consists of a fes bufrolders 
and about 2000 loose files (messy i know) is there a way to sort stuff so that 
folders are shown first?
Thanks,
Greetings, Anouk,
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Re: Correction about Braille tables

[Chris Hofstader]

Hi,

I think you can probably get a whole bunch of braille tables for  
different languages if you look at the orca project which seems to  
support about a zillion languages and dialects.  It's all free  
software so you needn't worry about copyright in any traditional sense  
of the term.

cdh
On Aug 28, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:

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> Hello everyone,
>
> I made a mistake about Swedish. This is another language for which we
> still need the Braille codes.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
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Re: Selecting between multiple cities on the IPhone?

[Søren Jensen]

Hi.

Thanks very much. That might also work here in Denmark.
Best regards:
Søren Jensen
Mail & MSN:
s...@coolfortheblind.dk
Website:
http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/

On 27/08/2009, at 12.38, Thuy wrote:

>
> Hi I'm in the UK, and it seems to work OK for me. Not sure how
> accurate the yahoo weather is though? It always seems to be a couple
> of degrees lower than the BBC and the actual temperatures. I might try
> and see if you can change the weather centre information that it uses?
> Ideas anyone?
>
> On 26/08/2009, Søren Jensen  wrote:
>>
>> Does this widget only works in the US?
>> Best regards:
>> Søren Jensen
>> Mail & MSN:
>> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
>> Website:
>> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
>>
>> On 26/08/2009, at 15.10, Thuy wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hey Vic. You need to do a three finger swipe left or right to go
>>> through the pages that display each city.
>>> Hope this helps?
>>>
>>> Thuy
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26/08/2009, Victor Tsaran  wrote:

 Hello all,
 I am sorry for asking this silly question, but I can't figure out
 how to
 switch between multiple cities in the "weather" widget on the  
 IPhone.
 I've added several of them but can only access the last one. I've
 tried
 all the gestures I could think of, but nothing works.

 Thanks for any advice.
 Vic

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>

>>>

>>
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>>
>
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Re: anyone got experience with searching for tet within a webpage

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Great; just another thing to drool about until I get the new kitten.   
First, I gotta get a new litterbox. :)


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Re: quick start?

[Esther]

Hi Will,

On Leopard you can also access the VoiceOver Quick Start from the Help  
menu of the VoiceOver menu.  Does that work?  VO-F7 to bring up the  
VoiceOver menu, navigate to Help and right arrow to the submenu. The  
VoiceOver Quick Start is one of those entries, as well as another  
entry to help you learn sounds, etc,

Cheers,

Esther

william lomas wrote:

>
> Hey all if one quits the quick start which comes up I assume, when
> they have installed leopard, how do they bring it up again or is this
> not possible? I assume voice over command f eight doesn't work since
> on a friends it doesnothing
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Re: itunes

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Anouk,

I believe the default behavior is to copy the music to your iTunes  
music folder. You can change it so that shortcuts are made to the  
songs, but new copies aren't made if you want in the Advanced tab in  
the Preferences dialog box.

HTH,
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