Re: introduction and a question
Hi Anna, On Jul 20, 2009, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: > > Thanks so much for your post. I tried installing Window-Eyes, and it > almost works. When I start Windows, Window-Eyes functions. I can open > the Start menu and browse the Web with Internet Explorer. I can switch > to Finder, change VoiceOver preferences, and then switch back to > Windows. All is fine until I press the VO keys while on the Windows > side. Even if I press VO-Tab and then press those keys, the Windows > side becomes inoperable. I can occasionally hear window-Eyes if I > switch to the right place, but otherwise all I get is the Parallels > toolbar for shutting down or starting Windows. I'd guess these problems are solvable, by analogous behavior in Fusion. And, incidentally, there are a number of list users who run Window-Eyes in a virtual environment on the Mac, and even more JAWS users. At least some users prefer to turn off VoiceOver (Command-F5) while they're running in the virtual environment and using another screen reader. Under the Fusion preferences menu I know that you can disable Mac keys, Fusion-specific keys, assign profiles that use different setups from the default settings, etc. in the keyboard and mouse menu. There are also prefix key sequences that allow the Mac OS X to grab or un-grab key presses once you've set the Mac keys to be disabled in the VM. There may be a similar configuration menu for Parallels, but I don't think you can re-assign or ignore the VO keys, which may be why the VO-Tab pass through is not working. In general, you can access the preferences menu of an application with Command- comma. A few applications will not use a preferences menu. Also, I know that one of the touted features of Parallels is its "Coherence Mode" to enable you to view and switch to active Windows applications from the Mac side. I'm not sure how that works with VoiceOver. You should make sure that you don't use a visually based window switching system, like the Mac's Exposé keys (F9, F10, and F11). Be careful of pressing these three keys. They are a visual analogue to running a window chooser menu, and if you press one of these keys with VoiceOver activated your display will appear to freeze as the system displays icons of various window combinations on your screen and waits for you to select one of these windows by clicking your mouse into your selection. Pressing the same key F9 F10 or F11 key again should restore the response, but it may be easier to disable this key. I recall a question on another list from someone trying to use Shift-F10 on his Mac on the Windows side in a VM and wondering what had happened to his session. The Shift key here makes the icon view display of Windows display in slow motion, so this is even more confusing! Be aware that those Exposé key combinations can appear to make your Windows session unresponsive. > Another irritating thing, even when Windows is running okay, is that > VoiceOver says, "New window" every time a new window opens. I don't > see anything in VoiceOver's verbosity settings that would make it stop > doing this. > Toggling VoiceOver off with Command-F5 would solve this in the VM. > So my question at this point is whether these problems are Parallels > issues or general problems you encounter when running Windows on a > Mac. If the latter, is there a work-around? Perhaps someone using Window-Eyes or JAWS in a VM can make some suggestions. In addition, if you want to read up more about the Exposé keys and how to disable them, you can Google on: Exposé macvisionaries rewinding and read the earlier list post on "Rewinding and Fast forwarding in iTunes". This was posted after this list moved to Google Groups, but before archiving at the Mail Archive site was activated, so I can't give you a simple link to use, and only members who are logged into Google Groups can read the posts. Some of the Exposé keys overlie the media functions keys on the Mac keyboard, which is why the topic was discussed in that post. The Mail Archive site is great, and supports access key navigation, as well as searching by keywords, Boolean arguments, author, date range, etc. For example, on the subject of using the VO keys in a Windows virtual environment, you can read this thread from the archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss%40macvisionaries.com/msg42013.html (Voice-over commands active in a windows VM session with Fusion.) and follow the discussion down through the thread by press Control-N to read the next message in the thread with Safari. I think that Internet Explorer under Windows may use the Alt key as an access key in place of Control, and Firefox may use Alt-Shift, but there are combinations for each browser. To read up the thread use Control-P for the previous post. For instructions on how to search the archives see: http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss%40macvisionarie
RE: IPhone accessibility
Using it on the go I mean, while I'm walking around. With the n82 and other nokia phones I can do this, either on a call or typing / reading email or text messages, I can do this with one hand, which I don't think I could dowith the IPhone. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of patrickneazer Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2009 6:34 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon and all: I want to ask you what you mean by using it on the go. I am asking because unless there is something I am missing ... and there may be ... the iphone is quite usable. That does not mean you have to use it ... it just means that your usability concerns may be misplaced. On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:13 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Thanks yes I understand all your pro's and cons. Yeah I've got msp from a windows mobile device that I gave up around a year ago. And now use talks on my n82. It's a number of different things that I'm hesitating over, such as size and useability while on the go that are some of the things that are important. The n82 I can use on the go the IPhone I'm guessing I wont be able to. But still a few other thigns to think about before the buy or not! From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of patrickneazer Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 10:34 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon and all: One question you might want to consider is the issue of expandability. I am a user of a nokia 6650 with Mobile Speak and I love it. However, the number of applications that will work with it is not as robust as the Iphone. Second, while both my Mobile Speak and voiceover upgrades are free, the method of upgrading is quite different. I do not know about talks because I have never used it. However, if it is anything like Mobile Speak I cannot upgrade it independently. The only reason I make a point of this is the ability of being able to keep up with the latest updates to a system rather than being one step behind. Furthermore, does it make sense to have to pay a transfer cost if you either lose your phone or decide you want or need a new one. In the case of Mobile Speak, if you change phones for whatever reason there is a transfer cost. I do not know how it works with Talks. If I want another Iphone I just get another Iphone without incurring any additional costs for things beyond my control which may have resulted in the phone's loss or just for the freedom of wanting something different. There are a few more reasons I can mention though I will point out only one more ... with this arrangement of the Iphone and AT&T, the entire customer service flow is for the first time under one roof. If I have a problem with the Iphone I am able to take it to AT&T and they can be of assistance without necessarily farming it out to someone else and if they do farm it out to someone else ... that would be Apple and they would know that I am on the way (smile). With Mobile Speak it could be a mobile speak issue which I would have to go to Code Factory, it could be a phone problem where Nokia would have to be called in, it could be a billing problem where the Phone company would have to be tapped and, if I had a problem with the actual purchase of Mobile Speak and I did not purchase it from Code Factory I then would have to deal with AT&T's office of national disability concerns which is a completely separate operation from AT&T. I like the one umbrella that the Iphone has the potential to provide. I have both and love both and see the advantages to each. Just my two cents contributed to the discussion. No matter what your final conclusion, it will be a good one. Take good care. On Jul 19, 2009, at 4:35 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Yeah, I had a sit down and play with the I phone for about an hour today and I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity. I'm so use to the Nokia and talks interface that the IPhones system is not as efficient yet as I would have hoped. However I gotta admit that I am thinking of reasons why I shouldn't change to one at this point, and the only reason so far is that my n82 does everything that the iphone does and that I need it to. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare dehard Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:29 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Honestly given what I have heard/read, because this interface is so very different from what we have grown accustomed to, it's probably tough to get fixed on it right away. it's probably a let's forget about the old wisdom or at least set it aside while looking in to this and start from the ground. So, in a nutshell this is more like a slow growth to understanding product rather than som
Re: Optimizing terminal accessibility
Hi Alex and all, Aren't VIM and Nano Linux command line tools? I'm sure I've seen them when I've played with Linux? You can port these to the Mac I take it how cool. Take care James - Original Message - From: "Alex Jurgensen" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 5:39 AM Subject: Re: Optimizing terminal accessibility > > Hi, > Gary, > > I use it all day with varied success. Nano is a new eddition to my > toolbox and it seems to have a few qwerks, but nothing major. I also > used to use VIM, but found it crashed a lot with VO. > > You are correct that interacting and moving the VO cursor is the only > way to read prior text. > > As far as interuptions, you should pipe the contents to a file and > read it from teh file instead. > > What knd of development are you doing? > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 20-Jul-09, at 8:09 PM, Garry Turkington wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> I played with the Mac terminal last year and got some help from people >> here re its accessibility. I'm now using my Mac a lot more and want >> to >> get the most out of the terminal so am requesting wisdom from others >> out >> there. >> >> From the command line I really need the ability to do development >> locally >> and connect to remote machines via ssh. I've found a few issues: >> >> 1. Any command that generates multi-line output seems to be >> truncated by >> the prompt or new line announcement. Good example is "java - >> version". I >> can improve this by setting a much shorter prompt in my shell but it's >> still very hit and miss. Is there any way to configure things to more >> reliably read new information? I've tried messing around with >> cursor and >> terminal types with no success that I can really point to. >> >> 2. Is there any way to review prior text on the screen or is >> interacting >> with the scroll area and moving the VO cursor up the way to do that? >> >> 3. When connecting to remote machines -- and to a lesser degree >> locally -- >> I need access to some ncurses applications but the cursor tracking >> with VO >> seems very unpredictable. An example would be to open "lynx - >> show_cursor" >> on the remote box and try and say navigate around the CNN homepage. >> Or >> use something like pine where cursoring around changes text >> highlights. >> >> Anyone got advice as to how I can make all this work better for me? >> >> Many thanks, >> Garry >> >> >> -- >> Garry Turkington >> garry.turking...@gmail.com >> >> > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Optimizing terminal accessibility
hi; jumping in here, but i use terminal all the time for sshing into the 3 servers i administer, if someone has a better way to do this, that would be wonderful, but i just use it now and love it:) On Jul 21, 2009, at 1:10 AM, James & Nash wrote: > > Hi Alex and all, > > Aren't VIM and Nano Linux command line tools? I'm sure I've seen > them when > I've played with Linux? You can port these to the Mac I take it how > cool. > > Take care > > James > - Original Message - > From: "Alex Jurgensen" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 5:39 AM > Subject: Re: Optimizing terminal accessibility > > >> >> Hi, >> Gary, >> >> I use it all day with varied success. Nano is a new eddition to my >> toolbox and it seems to have a few qwerks, but nothing major. I also >> used to use VIM, but found it crashed a lot with VO. >> >> You are correct that interacting and moving the VO cursor is the only >> way to read prior text. >> >> As far as interuptions, you should pipe the contents to a file and >> read it from teh file instead. >> >> What knd of development are you doing? >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 20-Jul-09, at 8:09 PM, Garry Turkington wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I played with the Mac terminal last year and got some help from >>> people >>> here re its accessibility. I'm now using my Mac a lot more and want >>> to >>> get the most out of the terminal so am requesting wisdom from others >>> out >>> there. >>> >>> From the command line I really need the ability to do development >>> locally >>> and connect to remote machines via ssh. I've found a few issues: >>> >>> 1. Any command that generates multi-line output seems to be >>> truncated by >>> the prompt or new line announcement. Good example is "java - >>> version". I >>> can improve this by setting a much shorter prompt in my shell but >>> it's >>> still very hit and miss. Is there any way to configure things to >>> more >>> reliably read new information? I've tried messing around with >>> cursor and >>> terminal types with no success that I can really point to. >>> >>> 2. Is there any way to review prior text on the screen or is >>> interacting >>> with the scroll area and moving the VO cursor up the way to do that? >>> >>> 3. When connecting to remote machines -- and to a lesser degree >>> locally -- >>> I need access to some ncurses applications but the cursor tracking >>> with VO >>> seems very unpredictable. An example would be to open "lynx - >>> show_cursor" >>> on the remote box and try and say navigate around the CNN homepage. >>> Or >>> use something like pine where cursoring around changes text >>> highlights. >>> >>> Anyone got advice as to how I can make all this work better for me? >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> Garry >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Garry Turkington >>> garry.turking...@gmail.com >>> >> >> >>> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
keyboard layout
Hi, Can someone tell me how I change the keyboard layout from US to UK please?> Thank you. >From Wendy. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: macbook pro observations
First no the glass is no more an issue because a plastic covering or not, you break the screen your screwed. As far as usb ports, just get a hub. I have a seven port hub here and I have a few devices, but since I dont' generally take them with me on the road, don't see the need for more than two ports. If you have a network printer, then that is another way to deal with one less usb device. My goal is to have as few things connected as possible. On Jul 21, 2009, at 1:02 AM, a radix wrote: > Hello, I must say 2 usb ports is a bit meager. My current 2-year-old > toshiba laptop has 3 and I found that a bit little, i wa shoping to > go up to at least 4 in my next laptop. I mean, I have an usb > printer, scanner, headset, external hd external soundcard etc etc > etc. I guess I will have to shift to wireless and I really hope > bluetooth braille will be supported in the new mac os x release. > Also I wonder if the glass display isnt a lot more vulnerable then a > normal plastic usb one? > Greetings, Anouk, > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: introduction and a question
I'd try to return Parallels if possible and get VmWare Fusion, which you will be much happier with. You can sometimes get it for $49 even when not a student or look around at places like MacMall and you could possibly find it for $69. Good luck, On Jul 21, 2009, at 12:37 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: > > Hi Esther and all, > > Thanks so much for your post. I tried installing Window-Eyes, and it > almost works. When I start Windows, Window-Eyes functions. I can open > the Start menu and browse the Web with Internet Explorer. I can switch > to Finder, change VoiceOver preferences, and then switch back to > Windows. All is fine until I press the VO keys while on the Windows > side. Even if I press VO-Tab and then press those keys, the Windows > side becomes inoperable. I can occasionally hear window-Eyes if I > switch to the right place, but otherwise all I get is the Parallels > toolbar for shutting down or starting Windows. > > Another irritating thing, even when Windows is running okay, is that > VoiceOver says, "New window" every time a new window opens. I don't > see anything in VoiceOver's verbosity settings that would make it stop > doing this. > > So my question at this point is whether these problems are Parallels > issues or general problems you encounter when running Windows on a > Mac. If the latter, is there a work-around? > > Thanks so much, > Anna > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: keyboard layout
Hi Wendy, Do you just want to change your keyboard layout from US to UK or your complete language localization? Also, do you want to be able to switch to a UK keyboard or make that your sole (default) keyboard? The difference between just using a UK keyboard (and not a UK localization) is that your spell checker and grammar checker (if you use them) will still use US English conventions. To add a UK input keyboard, go to the International Menu under System Preferences, navigate to the Input Menu tab, and check the box for your input language in the table. I'll use VO as a shortcut meaning press the VoiceOver Control and Option keys. VO-M means press Control, Option, and M keys, etc.: 1. VO-M to the menu bar Apple Menu 2. Arrow down and press "s y" to go to "System Preferences" and press enter 3. In the System Preferences window tab (or VO-Right Arrow) to the International menu and select it with VO-Space 4. VO-Right Arrow to the "Input Menu" tab and press it (VO-Space) 5. VO-Right Arrow to the table of keyboard inputs and interact (VO- Shift-Down arrow) 6. VO-Right Arrow to the second column, which lists the name of the selected keyboard; then VO-Down Arrow to "British". (The entries are alphabetic after Character entries for palette and Chinese/Japanese/ Korean inputs, and "British is a little more than 40 key presses down.) 7. VO-Left Arrow to the first check box column and us VO-Space to check the entry for "British" 8. Stop interacting with the table (VO-Shift Up Arrow) 9. VO-Right Arrow to the check box for "Show input menu in menu bar" and check it with VO-Space 10. Close the International preferences menu with Command-W 11. To select the British keyboard, press VO-M twice to navigate to the status menu bar. VO-Right Arrow to the Text Input menu, then arrow down to select "British" and press enter. HTH Cheers, Esther On Jul 20, 2009, at 23:29, Wendy wrote: > > Hi, > > Can someone tell me how I change the keyboard layout from US to UK > please?> > Thank you. > > From Wendy. > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: keyboard layout
Hi Wendy, •Open System Preferences •Go to International •Go to the Language to set your overall system language, and to Input Menu to select what will show in your Status menu as optional keyboard sets. Hope this helps... John André in Norway On 21. juli. 2009, at 11.29, Wendy wrote: > > Hi, > > Can someone tell me how I change the keyboard layout from US to UK > please?> > Thank you. > > From Wendy. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Hi Anouk, When you buy your macbook it won't have a numpad. That means you won't be able to use the fn key and a key on your keyboard to turn hal's v-focus on and off if you decide to co-operate windows and mac OS in some way You could presumably buy an external number pad, but I don't really want to cary around the extra componant and have to set it up and use it on busses and trains and such. It would just make my life hellishly easy if there were a number pad built onto my standard macbook keybord, but they ditched it and didn't replace it with anything useful. So, in that sense I'm very disgusted with apple. All my old network servers and file boxes are in storage at my parents' place and haven't been updated in ages. My parents still use the linux box but the only thing it runs any more is a ventrilo server. All my windows boxes are so ancient that they might as well go to the great electronics resycler in the sky, but I've been thinking lately that I'd like to build a new file/network server and make it some form of gnoame or some other grafical interface for linux. The trick is finding a nice stripped down and stable one so the box will stay up for a reasonable ammount of time before it needs to be rebooted. I don't really have anything against windows. I've got to teach it after all, and so it wouldn't do to hate. But I have to admit, windows boars and frustrates me, where-as the few things I like to do on my own computers here I can do on my mac without any fus about drivers registries, compadibility or any of that fiddly garbage you get with windows, especially vista. I'll have to force myself to be interested when windows seven comes out because I'll have to teach it, but the computer itself doesn't really facinate me the way it did back in the library days, so for me it's nice to be able to come home and press a button and then walk away from computer and listen to my current book or my huge playlist of music albumns, and not have to worry. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 18-Jul-09, at 8:34 AM, a radix wrote: > > Hey Erik, So there are no macbooks with numpad? Cant you buy an > external > one? I myself have never used a numpad and only need to use the fn > key on my > laptop if I want to turn on/off virtual focus (hal). > btw, do you still use linux/windows or just os x now? > Thanks, > Greetings, Anouk, > - Original Message - > From: "erik burggraaf" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 2:19 PM > Subject: Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac > take two > hands? > > >> >> Hi Anouk, The numpad is in deed optional, and there really isn't >> that >> much difference between using vo on a laptop or desktop >> configuration. Although having said that, my disgust at not having a >> numpad on my laptop keybord any more and my desire for a right hand >> control key really no know bounds. >> >> Best, >> >> erik burggraaf >> A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. >> Phone: 888-255-5194 >> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com >> >> On 18-Jul-09, at 8:02 AM, a radix wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, Do you actually need the numeric keypad to use voicover? I >>> thought it >>> was optional. If it is optional then there is not much difference >>> imo >>> between using it on a laptop or a pc... >>> Greetings, Anouk, >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Victor Tsaran" >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:42 AM >>> Subject: Re: does reading on the mac take two hands? >>> >>> Beware, however, that even though you can lock control and option keys, you will find yourself in frequent situations where you need to unlock them, e.g. when browsing the web or trying to interact with various objects (tables, HTML CONTENT areas etc). It does get a little annoying to use voiceover for long periods of time, especially if you are a heavy laptop user. Good luck, Vic On 7/17/2009 7:03 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: > You can also lock the voiceover keys on with VO and semicolon. > Then you > don't have to hold down control and option while doing voiceover > commands. > > CB > > william lomas wrote: >> you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around >> >> On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I >>> read >>> that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, >>> or a >>> document for example you need to use the voice key (which is >>> either >>> command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but >>> would >>> tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single >>> handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a >>> lot >
Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Not until snowleppard gets here. erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 18-Jul-09, at 8:05 PM, peter Apgar wrote: > > Does the I phone's two finger flick read all command work on the > new mbps? > > Thanks in advance. > > Pete > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Jurgensen > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 6:45 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac > take two > hands? > > > Hi, > > It is optional with a numpad, but it enhances it. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 18-Jul-09, at 5:02 AM, a radix wrote: > >> >> Hi, Do you actually need the numeric keypad to use voicover? I >> thought >> it was optional. If it is optional then there is not much difference >> imo between using it on a laptop or a pc... >> Greetings, Anouk, >> - Original Message - >> From: "Victor Tsaran" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:42 AM >> Subject: Re: does reading on the mac take two hands? >> >> >>> >>> Beware, however, that even though you can lock control and option >>> keys, >>> you will find yourself in frequent situations where you need to >>> unlock >>> them, e.g. when browsing the web or trying to interact with various >>> objects (tables, HTML CONTENT areas etc). >>> It does get a little annoying to use voiceover for long periods of >>> time, >>> especially if you are a heavy laptop user. >>> Good luck, >>> Vic >>> >>> On 7/17/2009 7:03 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: You can also lock the voiceover keys on with VO and semicolon. Then you don't have to hold down control and option while doing voiceover commands. CB william lomas wrote: > you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around > > On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: > >> Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I >> read >> that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a >> document for example you need to use the voice key (which is >> either >> command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but >> would >> tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single >> handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot >> slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my >> braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. >> Greetings, Anouk, >> >> >> > > > > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/ >>> vick08 >>> or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com >>> --- >>> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. >> Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com >> Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.19/2244 - datum van uitgifte: >> 07/17/09 18:00:00 >> >> >>> > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: newsreader
If you don't have a credit card, I'm sure you could just send them an old fationed check. erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 19-Jul-09, at 2:21 AM, william lomas wrote: > > they don't I don't think, accept paypal to purchase it though > > On 19 Jul 2009, at 00:41, Scott Howell wrote: > >> >> Eric I agree, but I sure wish they'd get html support in there. I've >> bugged them about this, but guess I need to get back to bugging >> again. I'm forced to use outlook express for one specific situation >> that html support in Unison would take care of. >> On Jul 18, 2009, at 4:52 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, I can't imagine wanting anything but unison for binaries. For >>> text groups it's a different matter but I tried several solutions on >>> windows, and none of them gave me the insane rush that unison on the >>> mac did. It's a file junkie's best friend. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> erik burggraaf >>> A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. >>> Phone: 888-255-5194 >>> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com >>> >>> On 18-Jul-09, at 2:43 PM, william lomas wrote: >>> hi is unison the only accessible newsreader available for the mac? or is there one i can buy with paypal? > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands?
No, but depending on how you use windows a numpad may greatly ficilitate things. If you use window-eyes for example, the mouse functions are extremely conveniently laid out on the numpad, which of course, you no longer have. I've gotten around this by switching to laptop layout, but i used to use the insert on the built in numpad instead of remaping a key to do the insert function which doesn't work using the laptop layout. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 18-Jul-09, at 11:57 PM, May and Wynter wrote: > > If I put windows on my mac machine when I get it, do I have to have > the > keypad tha you are talking about to use windows? > > May, I'm ready for the stress to end. Off to Edmonton on the 25th. > - Original Message - > From: "Esther" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 8:29 PM > Subject: Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac > take two > hands? > > >> >> Hi Anouk, >> >> You don't need to use a numeric keypad with VoiceOver, but with >> Leopard you have another option of customizing your frequently used >> VoiceOver commands with the NumPad Commander. I did get a USB >> keypad, >> the Lenovo 33L3225 Numeric Keypad, so I could learn the NumPad >> Commander sequences with my laptop. (This also works with Windows >> and >> with Linux, incidentally). Most of the time I use VoiceOver from my >> laptop without any attachments. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:45, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> It is optional with a numpad, but it enhances it. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> On 18-Jul-09, at 5:02 AM, a radix wrote: >>> Hi, Do you actually need the numeric keypad to use voicover? I thought it was optional. If it is optional then there is not much difference imo between using it on a laptop or a pc... Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: "Victor Tsaran" To: Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:42 AM Subject: Re: does reading on the mac take two hands? > > Beware, however, that even though you can lock control and option > keys, > you will find yourself in frequent situations where you need to > unlock > them, e.g. when browsing the web or trying to interact with > various > objects (tables, HTML CONTENT areas etc). > It does get a little annoying to use voiceover for long periods of > time, > especially if you are a heavy laptop user. > Good luck, > Vic > > On 7/17/2009 7:03 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: >> You can also lock the voiceover keys on with VO and semicolon. >> Then you >> don't have to hold down control and option while doing voiceover >> commands. >> >> CB >> >> william lomas wrote: >>> you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate >>> around >>> >>> On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: >>> Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I read that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a document for example you need to use the voice key (which is either command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but would tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. Greetings, Anouk, >>> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > -- > > --- > I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/ > vick08 > or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com > --- > >> Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.19/2244 - datum van uitgifte: 07/17/09 18:00:00 > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: keyboard layout
Hi Ester, I've followed your instrucitons and all seems well. Let me explain though, on my windows keyboard when i do a capital 2 it vies me a double quites sign and a capital apostrophe for the at sign, on the apple its the opposite way round and someone told me that the first way i described is the american keyboard way although the apple seems to be right and the right boxes are checked from what i've done. So ithe the Capital 2 as the at sign and capital apostrophe as the double quote just a standard apple way for apple computer on whichever way you have the keyboard set up. >From Wendy. - Original Message - From: "Esther" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:08 AM Subject: Re: keyboard layout > > Hi Wendy, > > Do you just want to change your keyboard layout from US to UK or your > complete language localization? Also, do you want to be able to > switch to a UK keyboard or make that your sole (default) keyboard? > The difference between just using a UK keyboard (and not a UK > localization) is that your spell checker and grammar checker (if you > use them) will still use US English conventions. > > To add a UK input keyboard, go to the International Menu under System > Preferences, navigate to the Input Menu tab, and check the box for > your input language in the table. I'll use VO as a shortcut meaning > press the VoiceOver Control and Option keys. VO-M means press > Control, Option, and M keys, etc.: > > 1. VO-M to the menu bar Apple Menu > 2. Arrow down and press "s y" to go to "System Preferences" and press > enter > 3. In the System Preferences window tab (or VO-Right Arrow) to the > International menu and select it with VO-Space > 4. VO-Right Arrow to the "Input Menu" tab and press it (VO-Space) > 5. VO-Right Arrow to the table of keyboard inputs and interact (VO- > Shift-Down arrow) > 6. VO-Right Arrow to the second column, which lists the name of the > selected keyboard; then VO-Down Arrow to "British". (The entries are > alphabetic after Character entries for palette and Chinese/Japanese/ > Korean inputs, and "British is a little more than 40 key presses down.) > 7. VO-Left Arrow to the first check box column and us VO-Space to > check the entry for "British" > 8. Stop interacting with the table (VO-Shift Up Arrow) > 9. VO-Right Arrow to the check box for "Show input menu in menu bar" > and check it with VO-Space > 10. Close the International preferences menu with Command-W > 11. To select the British keyboard, press VO-M twice to navigate to > the status menu bar. VO-Right Arrow to the Text Input menu, then arrow > down to select "British" and press enter. > > HTH > > Cheers, > > Esther > On Jul 20, 2009, at 23:29, Wendy wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> Can someone tell me how I change the keyboard layout from US to UK >> please?> >> Thank you. >> >> From Wendy. >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Optimizing terminal accessibility
Hi James/Alex, Thanks for your input here. James, I'd be interested to hear if you've done any configuring to make access to apps on the remote machines you ssh to better? Coming back to my 3 questions thanks for the clarification re interaction with the scroll area for screen review, that's fine. But I'm still frustrated that multi-line output from commands isn't automatically read and would either require me to interact with the scroll area to review the output or as Alex suggests pipe output to a file for review. I'll be doing primarily Java development (with some C++/Python/Ruby thrown in) so an efficient edit/compile/debug cycle is really important. Getting the output of the Java compiler to read as it appears instead of having to review it or even worse pipe out and review would probably improve my productivity by an order of magnitude. On the remaining point does anyone use any ncurses based apps such as Pine or Lynx on remote machines and discovered a way for better cursor tracking? Anyone raised terminal accessibility issues with Apple? Many thanks, Garry -- Garry Turkington garry.turking...@gmail.com On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Michael Babcock wrote: > > hi; > jumping in here, but i use terminal all the time for sshing into the 3 > servers i administer, if someone has a better way to do this, that > would be wonderful, but i just use it now and love it:) > On Jul 21, 2009, at 1:10 AM, James & Nash wrote: > >> >> Hi Alex and all, >> >> Aren't VIM and Nano Linux command line tools? I'm sure I've seen >> them when >> I've played with Linux? You can port these to the Mac I take it how >> cool. >> >> Take care >> >> James >> - Original Message - >> From: "Alex Jurgensen" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 5:39 AM >> Subject: Re: Optimizing terminal accessibility >> >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> Gary, >>> >>> I use it all day with varied success. Nano is a new eddition to my >>> toolbox and it seems to have a few qwerks, but nothing major. I also >>> used to use VIM, but found it crashed a lot with VO. >>> >>> You are correct that interacting and moving the VO cursor is the only >>> way to read prior text. >>> >>> As far as interuptions, you should pipe the contents to a file and >>> read it from teh file instead. >>> >>> What knd of development are you doing? >>> >>> Regards, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> On 20-Jul-09, at 8:09 PM, Garry Turkington wrote: >>> Hi, I played with the Mac terminal last year and got some help from people here re its accessibility. I'm now using my Mac a lot more and want to get the most out of the terminal so am requesting wisdom from others out there. From the command line I really need the ability to do development locally and connect to remote machines via ssh. I've found a few issues: 1. Any command that generates multi-line output seems to be truncated by the prompt or new line announcement. Good example is "java - version". I can improve this by setting a much shorter prompt in my shell but it's still very hit and miss. Is there any way to configure things to more reliably read new information? I've tried messing around with cursor and terminal types with no success that I can really point to. 2. Is there any way to review prior text on the screen or is interacting with the scroll area and moving the VO cursor up the way to do that? 3. When connecting to remote machines -- and to a lesser degree locally -- I need access to some ncurses applications but the cursor tracking with VO seems very unpredictable. An example would be to open "lynx - show_cursor" on the remote box and try and say navigate around the CNN homepage. Or use something like pine where cursoring around changes text highlights. Anyone got advice as to how I can make all this work better for me? Many thanks, Garry -- Garry Turkington garry.turking...@gmail.com > >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: macbook pro observations
I've found for my extra usb needs, I just got a little passive hub with 4 on it and hooked it up. On 21-Jul-09, at 1:02 AM, a radix wrote: > Hello, I must say 2 usb ports is a bit meager. My current 2-year-old > toshiba laptop has 3 and I found that a bit little, i wa shoping to > go up to at least 4 in my next laptop. I mean, I have an usb > printer, scanner, headset, external hd external soundcard etc etc > etc. I guess I will have to shift to wireless and I really hope > bluetooth braille will be supported in the new mac os x release. > Also I wonder if the glass display isnt a lot more vulnerable then a > normal plastic usb one? > Greetings, Anouk, > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Optimizing terminal accessibility
mac is based on bsd which is unix... Most flavors have these utilities standard and the mac is no exception. On 21-Jul-09, at 5:10 AM, James & Nash wrote: > > Hi Alex and all, > > Aren't VIM and Nano Linux command line tools? I'm sure I've seen > them when > I've played with Linux? You can port these to the Mac I take it how > cool. > > Take care > > James > - Original Message - > From: "Alex Jurgensen" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 5:39 AM > Subject: Re: Optimizing terminal accessibility > > >> >> Hi, >> Gary, >> >> I use it all day with varied success. Nano is a new eddition to my >> toolbox and it seems to have a few qwerks, but nothing major. I also >> used to use VIM, but found it crashed a lot with VO. >> >> You are correct that interacting and moving the VO cursor is the only >> way to read prior text. >> >> As far as interuptions, you should pipe the contents to a file and >> read it from teh file instead. >> >> What knd of development are you doing? >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 20-Jul-09, at 8:09 PM, Garry Turkington wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I played with the Mac terminal last year and got some help from >>> people >>> here re its accessibility. I'm now using my Mac a lot more and want >>> to >>> get the most out of the terminal so am requesting wisdom from others >>> out >>> there. >>> >>> From the command line I really need the ability to do development >>> locally >>> and connect to remote machines via ssh. I've found a few issues: >>> >>> 1. Any command that generates multi-line output seems to be >>> truncated by >>> the prompt or new line announcement. Good example is "java - >>> version". I >>> can improve this by setting a much shorter prompt in my shell but >>> it's >>> still very hit and miss. Is there any way to configure things to >>> more >>> reliably read new information? I've tried messing around with >>> cursor and >>> terminal types with no success that I can really point to. >>> >>> 2. Is there any way to review prior text on the screen or is >>> interacting >>> with the scroll area and moving the VO cursor up the way to do that? >>> >>> 3. When connecting to remote machines -- and to a lesser degree >>> locally -- >>> I need access to some ncurses applications but the cursor tracking >>> with VO >>> seems very unpredictable. An example would be to open "lynx - >>> show_cursor" >>> on the remote box and try and say navigate around the CNN homepage. >>> Or >>> use something like pine where cursoring around changes text >>> highlights. >>> >>> Anyone got advice as to how I can make all this work better for me? >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> Garry >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Garry Turkington >>> garry.turking...@gmail.com >>> >> >> >>> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: introduction and a question
Hi, Thanks so much, Esther and Scott, for your help. I appreciate it very much. Looks like switching to Fusion makes the most sense. Do I have to uninstall and reinstall Windows, or is uninstalling Parallels and installing Fusion enough? Thanks, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: keyboard layout
Hello Wendy, The Apple keyboard layout is different from Windows. The "@" sign is over the 2, and double-quotes is above the apostrophe. You can tell for sure whether your keyboard is British or not by doing Shift-3. If you get the pound sign, it's British. Cheers, Anne On Jul 21, 2009, at 1:52 PM, Wendy wrote: > > Hi Ester, I've followed your instrucitons and all seems well. Let me > explain though, on my windows keyboard when i do a capital 2 it vies > me a > double quites sign and a capital apostrophe for the at sign, on the > apple > its the opposite way round and someone told me that the first way i > described is the american keyboard way although the apple seems to > be right > and the right boxes are checked from what i've done. So ithe the > Capital 2 > as the at sign and capital apostrophe as the double quote just a > standard > apple way for apple computer on whichever way you have the keyboard > set up. > > From Wendy. > - Original Message - > From: "Esther" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:08 AM > Subject: Re: keyboard layout > > >> >> Hi Wendy, >> >> Do you just want to change your keyboard layout from US to UK or your >> complete language localization? Also, do you want to be able to >> switch to a UK keyboard or make that your sole (default) keyboard? >> The difference between just using a UK keyboard (and not a UK >> localization) is that your spell checker and grammar checker (if you >> use them) will still use US English conventions. >> >> To add a UK input keyboard, go to the International Menu under System >> Preferences, navigate to the Input Menu tab, and check the box for >> your input language in the table. I'll use VO as a shortcut meaning >> press the VoiceOver Control and Option keys. VO-M means press >> Control, Option, and M keys, etc.: >> >> 1. VO-M to the menu bar Apple Menu >> 2. Arrow down and press "s y" to go to "System Preferences" and press >> enter >> 3. In the System Preferences window tab (or VO-Right Arrow) to the >> International menu and select it with VO-Space >> 4. VO-Right Arrow to the "Input Menu" tab and press it (VO-Space) >> 5. VO-Right Arrow to the table of keyboard inputs and interact (VO- >> Shift-Down arrow) >> 6. VO-Right Arrow to the second column, which lists the name of the >> selected keyboard; then VO-Down Arrow to "British". (The entries are >> alphabetic after Character entries for palette and Chinese/Japanese/ >> Korean inputs, and "British is a little more than 40 key presses >> down.) >> 7. VO-Left Arrow to the first check box column and us VO-Space to >> check the entry for "British" >> 8. Stop interacting with the table (VO-Shift Up Arrow) >> 9. VO-Right Arrow to the check box for "Show input menu in menu bar" >> and check it with VO-Space >> 10. Close the International preferences menu with Command-W >> 11. To select the British keyboard, press VO-M twice to navigate to >> the status menu bar. VO-Right Arrow to the Text Input menu, then >> arrow >> down to select "British" and press enter. >> >> HTH >> >> Cheers, >> >> Esther >> On Jul 20, 2009, at 23:29, Wendy wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Can someone tell me how I change the keyboard layout from US to UK >>> please?> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> From Wendy. >>> >>> >> >>> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: introduction and a question
I'm not entirely sure, but I do not believe one VM image is compatible with the other, but someone more knowledgible will have an answer. On Jul 21, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: > > Hi, > > Thanks so much, Esther and Scott, for your help. I appreciate it very > much. Looks like switching to Fusion makes the most sense. Do I have > to uninstall and reinstall Windows, or is uninstalling Parallels and > installing Fusion enough? > > Thanks, > Anna > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: introduction and a question
Hi Anna. Fusion is definitely way better than parallels. I did manage to get parallels to work with jaws some time ago, but the virtual machine ran very slowly. If I remember this correctly, I first installed windows through bootcamp and installed jaws also through bootcamp. Then once parallels was running, I told it to use the bootcamp installation as its virtual machine. I think that doing things in that order meant that jaws could run properly. I'm afraid my memory on all this is a bit hazy as I quickly gave up on parallels and opted for fusion which seems to work a lot quicker and is more accessible. Also worth noting that because of the jaws activation method, you may need to reactivate every time you change major parameters such as ram memory allocation, because jaws thinks it's a completely different computer and deactivates itself! Very annoying! That's why a lot of people recommend wineyes, because it doesn't have the activation issues. Hope this helps. Cheers Thuy On 21/07/2009, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: > > Hi, > > Thanks so much, Esther and Scott, for your help. I appreciate it very > much. Looks like switching to Fusion makes the most sense. Do I have > to uninstall and reinstall Windows, or is uninstalling Parallels and > installing Fusion enough? > > Thanks, > Anna > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: introduction and a question
Hi, I am yet another very happy fusion user. I mostly use it with System Access but Window-Eyes works just fine as well. Anna, feel free to contact me off list if you want help. Robert Carter - Original Message - From: Thuy To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 8:08:46 Subject: Re: introduction and a question > > > > Hi Anna. Fusion is definitely way better than parallels. I did manage > to get parallels to work with jaws some time ago, but the virtual > machine ran very slowly. If I remember this correctly, I first > installed windows through bootcamp and installed jaws also through > bootcamp. Then once parallels was running, I told it to use the > bootcamp installation as its virtual machine. I think that doing > things in that order meant that jaws could run properly. I'm afraid my > memory on all this is a bit hazy as I quickly gave up on parallels and > opted for fusion which seems to work a lot quicker and is more > accessible. Also worth noting that because of the jaws activation > method, you may need to reactivate every time you change major > parameters such as ram memory allocation, because jaws thinks it's a > completely different computer and deactivates itself! Very annoying! > That's why a lot of people recommend wineyes, because it doesn't have > the activation issues. Hope this helps. > > Cheers > > Thuy > > > On 21/07/2009, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Thanks so much, Esther and Scott, for your help. I appreciate it very > > much. Looks like switching to Fusion makes the most sense. Do I have > > to uninstall and reinstall Windows, or is uninstalling Parallels and > > installing Fusion enough? > > > > Thanks, > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en > com~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Apple plans to blick rival smart phones
Hi James, I found the article referenced and the discussion on "This Week in Tech" (TWIT), podcasted on the 12th of this month, rather interesting. Objectively, it can be said that by blocking the Pre, Apple is practicing the same anti-competitive monopolistic behavior characteristic of Microsoft throughout the mid to late 90s. And that would be a valid argument. However, as with most things, the devil is in the details. Apple is vertically consolidated, to the degree that it is able to control the quality of its products and the environment in which it is used by its customers. It is a level of quality assurance that Microsoft, Palm, Dell, LeNovo and other major competitors are unable to match. The article points out that Apple had warned they would no longer support media sync for non-ipod digital audio devices. And why should they? As such, Apple would be expected to support devices that would not be under their sphere of control. I think it is Apple's sense (on which I would completely agree) that it is better to produce and maintain a seemless but highly functional echo system of products and services that consistently work, and where thusly the issue of choice in third party products in line with that echo system is rendered moot. Palm argues that Apple is cutting its nose to spite its face. I doubt it. I think a large part of why people would choose a Palm over an iPhone is because they would be working from the notion that the iPhone would be insufficient in meeting business needs, i.e., iPhones are for any old consumers, Palms and Blackberries are for serious people. I think that perception will soon change; and Palm will once again be in a difficult position after having resigned themselves to the reality of things. The iTunes/iPod/iPhone is one of the most popular consumer platforms of electronic products and services, and whining about it ain't gonna get you anywhere. Abdul On 17 Jul 2009, at 23:03, James & Nash wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > From the BBC website: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8155795.stm > > Take care > > james > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Optimizing terminal accessibility
As already mentioned, you interact with the scroll area to review the screen. Some times however, VO seems to get stuck and I've found I have to read by sentence when starting from the current prompt and reading upward through the output. How well it echos back when output is written to the screen varies. I wouldn't mind seeing it work a little better, but I think it's very usable. I haven't found an app yet that I couldn't use. In regards to Lynx, I find it helpful to have the links numbered. Also, for some reason the "-show_cursor" option never worked for me and I allways had to set it in the options. I've never liked using pine with any screen reading system. I would recommend Mutt. It's a little more trouble to set up but well worth it. On Jul 20, 2009, at 10:09 PM, Garry Turkington wrote: > > Hi, > > I played with the Mac terminal last year and got some help from people > here re its accessibility. I'm now using my Mac a lot more and want > to > get the most out of the terminal so am requesting wisdom from others > out > there. > > From the command line I really need the ability to do development > locally > and connect to remote machines via ssh. I've found a few issues: > > 1. Any command that generates multi-line output seems to be > truncated by > the prompt or new line announcement. Good example is "java - > version". I > can improve this by setting a much shorter prompt in my shell but it's > still very hit and miss. Is there any way to configure things to more > reliably read new information? I've tried messing around with > cursor and > terminal types with no success that I can really point to. > > 2. Is there any way to review prior text on the screen or is > interacting > with the scroll area and moving the VO cursor up the way to do that? > > 3. When connecting to remote machines -- and to a lesser degree > locally -- > I need access to some ncurses applications but the cursor tracking > with VO > seems very unpredictable. An example would be to open "lynx - > show_cursor" > on the remote box and try and say navigate around the CNN homepage. > Or > use something like pine where cursoring around changes text > highlights. > > Anyone got advice as to how I can make all this work better for me? > > Many thanks, > Garry > > > -- > Garry Turkington > garry.turking...@gmail.com > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Optimizing terminal accessibility
Is there a way to clear the scroll area? On Jul 21, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Barry Hadder wrote: > > As already mentioned, you interact with the scroll area to review the > screen. Some times however, VO seems to get stuck and I've found I > have to read by sentence when starting from the current prompt and > reading upward through the output. > > How well it echos back when output is written to the screen varies. I > wouldn't mind seeing it work a little better, but I think it's very > usable. I haven't found an app yet that I couldn't use. > > In regards to Lynx, I find it helpful to have the links numbered. > > Also, for some reason the "-show_cursor" option never worked for me > and I allways had to set it in the options. > I've never liked using pine with any screen reading system. I would > recommend Mutt. It's a little more trouble to set up but well worth > it. > > > On Jul 20, 2009, at 10:09 PM, Garry Turkington wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> I played with the Mac terminal last year and got some help from >> people >> here re its accessibility. I'm now using my Mac a lot more and want >> to >> get the most out of the terminal so am requesting wisdom from others >> out >> there. >> >> From the command line I really need the ability to do development >> locally >> and connect to remote machines via ssh. I've found a few issues: >> >> 1. Any command that generates multi-line output seems to be >> truncated by >> the prompt or new line announcement. Good example is "java - >> version". I >> can improve this by setting a much shorter prompt in my shell but >> it's >> still very hit and miss. Is there any way to configure things to >> more >> reliably read new information? I've tried messing around with >> cursor and >> terminal types with no success that I can really point to. >> >> 2. Is there any way to review prior text on the screen or is >> interacting >> with the scroll area and moving the VO cursor up the way to do that? >> >> 3. When connecting to remote machines -- and to a lesser degree >> locally -- >> I need access to some ncurses applications but the cursor tracking >> with VO >> seems very unpredictable. An example would be to open "lynx - >> show_cursor" >> on the remote box and try and say navigate around the CNN homepage. >> Or >> use something like pine where cursoring around changes text >> highlights. >> >> Anyone got advice as to how I can make all this work better for me? >> >> Many thanks, >> Garry >> >> >> -- >> Garry Turkington >> garry.turking...@gmail.com >> >>> > > > > louie louiem...@wavecable.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Optimizing terminal accessibility
Another note about using ncurses aps that I didn't mention or didn't articulate very well: Use the arrow keys are what ever key combos the app uses rather than the VO keys. I've found that in most cases VO will track and read the hi-light quite well. Hope that helps. On Jul 20, 2009, at 10:09 PM, Garry Turkington wrote: > > Hi, > > I played with the Mac terminal last year and got some help from people > here re its accessibility. I'm now using my Mac a lot more and want > to > get the most out of the terminal so am requesting wisdom from others > out > there. > > From the command line I really need the ability to do development > locally > and connect to remote machines via ssh. I've found a few issues: > > 1. Any command that generates multi-line output seems to be > truncated by > the prompt or new line announcement. Good example is "java - > version". I > can improve this by setting a much shorter prompt in my shell but it's > still very hit and miss. Is there any way to configure things to more > reliably read new information? I've tried messing around with > cursor and > terminal types with no success that I can really point to. > > 2. Is there any way to review prior text on the screen or is > interacting > with the scroll area and moving the VO cursor up the way to do that? > > 3. When connecting to remote machines -- and to a lesser degree > locally -- > I need access to some ncurses applications but the cursor tracking > with VO > seems very unpredictable. An example would be to open "lynx - > show_cursor" > on the remote box and try and say navigate around the CNN homepage. > Or > use something like pine where cursoring around changes text > highlights. > > Anyone got advice as to how I can make all this work better for me? > > Many thanks, > Garry > > > -- > Garry Turkington > garry.turking...@gmail.com > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Optimizing terminal accessibility
Usually the screen can be cleared with control-l. I thought I read somewhere that there was a way to have the terminal speak text written to stdout/stderr using the system voice. I looked in preferences and couldn't find it. Anyone else have any luck? I use terminal for macports apps/ssh/nano on occasion and though nano's cursor tracking is a little jumpy it works well enough for me. James On 7/21/09, louie wrote: > > Is there a way to clear the scroll area? > > On Jul 21, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Barry Hadder wrote: > >> >> As already mentioned, you interact with the scroll area to review the >> screen. Some times however, VO seems to get stuck and I've found I >> have to read by sentence when starting from the current prompt and >> reading upward through the output. >> >> How well it echos back when output is written to the screen varies. I >> wouldn't mind seeing it work a little better, but I think it's very >> usable. I haven't found an app yet that I couldn't use. >> >> In regards to Lynx, I find it helpful to have the links numbered. >> >> Also, for some reason the "-show_cursor" option never worked for me >> and I allways had to set it in the options. >> I've never liked using pine with any screen reading system. I would >> recommend Mutt. It's a little more trouble to set up but well worth >> it. >> >> >> On Jul 20, 2009, at 10:09 PM, Garry Turkington wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I played with the Mac terminal last year and got some help from >>> people >>> here re its accessibility. I'm now using my Mac a lot more and want >>> to >>> get the most out of the terminal so am requesting wisdom from others >>> out >>> there. >>> >>> From the command line I really need the ability to do development >>> locally >>> and connect to remote machines via ssh. I've found a few issues: >>> >>> 1. Any command that generates multi-line output seems to be >>> truncated by >>> the prompt or new line announcement. Good example is "java - >>> version". I >>> can improve this by setting a much shorter prompt in my shell but >>> it's >>> still very hit and miss. Is there any way to configure things to >>> more >>> reliably read new information? I've tried messing around with >>> cursor and >>> terminal types with no success that I can really point to. >>> >>> 2. Is there any way to review prior text on the screen or is >>> interacting >>> with the scroll area and moving the VO cursor up the way to do that? >>> >>> 3. When connecting to remote machines -- and to a lesser degree >>> locally -- >>> I need access to some ncurses applications but the cursor tracking >>> with VO >>> seems very unpredictable. An example would be to open "lynx - >>> show_cursor" >>> on the remote box and try and say navigate around the CNN homepage. >>> Or >>> use something like pine where cursoring around changes text >>> highlights. >>> >>> Anyone got advice as to how I can make all this work better for me? >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> Garry >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Garry Turkington >>> garry.turking...@gmail.com >>> >> >> >> > > > louie > louiem...@wavecable.com > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Optimizing terminal accessibility
Just type clear at the prompt. On Jul 21, 2009, at 11:08 AM, louie wrote: > > Is there a way to clear the scroll area? > > On Jul 21, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Barry Hadder wrote: > >> >> As already mentioned, you interact with the scroll area to review the >> screen. Some times however, VO seems to get stuck and I've found I >> have to read by sentence when starting from the current prompt and >> reading upward through the output. >> >> How well it echos back when output is written to the screen >> varies. I >> wouldn't mind seeing it work a little better, but I think it's very >> usable. I haven't found an app yet that I couldn't use. >> >> In regards to Lynx, I find it helpful to have the links numbered. >> >> Also, for some reason the "-show_cursor" option never worked for me >> and I allways had to set it in the options. >> I've never liked using pine with any screen reading system. I would >> recommend Mutt. It's a little more trouble to set up but well worth >> it. >> >> >> On Jul 20, 2009, at 10:09 PM, Garry Turkington wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I played with the Mac terminal last year and got some help from >>> people >>> here re its accessibility. I'm now using my Mac a lot more and want >>> to >>> get the most out of the terminal so am requesting wisdom from others >>> out >>> there. >>> >>> From the command line I really need the ability to do development >>> locally >>> and connect to remote machines via ssh. I've found a few issues: >>> >>> 1. Any command that generates multi-line output seems to be >>> truncated by >>> the prompt or new line announcement. Good example is "java - >>> version". I >>> can improve this by setting a much shorter prompt in my shell but >>> it's >>> still very hit and miss. Is there any way to configure things to >>> more >>> reliably read new information? I've tried messing around with >>> cursor and >>> terminal types with no success that I can really point to. >>> >>> 2. Is there any way to review prior text on the screen or is >>> interacting >>> with the scroll area and moving the VO cursor up the way to do that? >>> >>> 3. When connecting to remote machines -- and to a lesser degree >>> locally -- >>> I need access to some ncurses applications but the cursor tracking >>> with VO >>> seems very unpredictable. An example would be to open "lynx - >>> show_cursor" >>> on the remote box and try and say navigate around the CNN homepage. >>> Or >>> use something like pine where cursoring around changes text >>> highlights. >>> >>> Anyone got advice as to how I can make all this work better for me? >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> Garry >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Garry Turkington >>> garry.turking...@gmail.com >>> >> >> >>> > > louie > louiem...@wavecable.com > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Optimizing terminal accessibility
Hi, I think to clear the screen it is "Ctrl" + "Shift" + "k", or at worst, without the "Shft". I don't remember. Regards, Alex, On 21-Jul-09, at 9:11 AM, James Dietz wrote: > > Usually the screen can be cleared with control-l. > > I thought I read somewhere that there was a way to have the terminal > speak text written to stdout/stderr using the system voice. I looked > in preferences and couldn't find it. Anyone else have any luck? I use > terminal for macports apps/ssh/nano on occasion and though nano's > cursor tracking is a little jumpy it works well enough for me. > > James > > On 7/21/09, louie wrote: >> >> Is there a way to clear the scroll area? >> >> On Jul 21, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Barry Hadder wrote: >> >>> >>> As already mentioned, you interact with the scroll area to review >>> the >>> screen. Some times however, VO seems to get stuck and I've found I >>> have to read by sentence when starting from the current prompt and >>> reading upward through the output. >>> >>> How well it echos back when output is written to the screen >>> varies. I >>> wouldn't mind seeing it work a little better, but I think it's very >>> usable. I haven't found an app yet that I couldn't use. >>> >>> In regards to Lynx, I find it helpful to have the links numbered. >>> >>> Also, for some reason the "-show_cursor" option never worked for me >>> and I allways had to set it in the options. >>> I've never liked using pine with any screen reading system. I would >>> recommend Mutt. It's a little more trouble to set up but well worth >>> it. >>> >>> >>> On Jul 20, 2009, at 10:09 PM, Garry Turkington wrote: >>> Hi, I played with the Mac terminal last year and got some help from people here re its accessibility. I'm now using my Mac a lot more and want to get the most out of the terminal so am requesting wisdom from others out there. From the command line I really need the ability to do development locally and connect to remote machines via ssh. I've found a few issues: 1. Any command that generates multi-line output seems to be truncated by the prompt or new line announcement. Good example is "java - version". I can improve this by setting a much shorter prompt in my shell but it's still very hit and miss. Is there any way to configure things to more reliably read new information? I've tried messing around with cursor and terminal types with no success that I can really point to. 2. Is there any way to review prior text on the screen or is interacting with the scroll area and moving the VO cursor up the way to do that? 3. When connecting to remote machines -- and to a lesser degree locally -- I need access to some ncurses applications but the cursor tracking with VO seems very unpredictable. An example would be to open "lynx - show_cursor" on the remote box and try and say navigate around the CNN homepage. Or use something like pine where cursoring around changes text highlights. Anyone got advice as to how I can make all this work better for me? Many thanks, Garry -- Garry Turkington garry.turking...@gmail.com > >>> >>> >> >> louie >> louiem...@wavecable.com >> >> >> >> >>> >> > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Optimizing terminal accessibility
Hi, Cocoaclipse, the Cocoa port of the Eclipse Javae IDE is apparently good with VO. Regards, Alex, On 21-Jul-09, at 4:54 AM, Garry Turkington wrote: > > Hi James/Alex, > > Thanks for your input here. James, I'd be interested to hear if > you've > done any configuring to make access to apps on the remote machines > you ssh > to better? > > Coming back to my 3 questions thanks for the clarification re > interaction > with the scroll area for screen review, that's fine. > > But I'm still frustrated that multi-line output from commands isn't > automatically read and would either require me to interact with the > scroll > area to review the output or as Alex suggests pipe output to a file > for > review. I'll be doing primarily Java development (with some > C++/Python/Ruby thrown in) so an efficient edit/compile/debug cycle is > really important. Getting the output of the Java compiler to read > as it > appears instead of having to review it or even worse pipe out and > review > would probably improve my productivity by an order of magnitude. > > On the remaining point does anyone use any ncurses based apps such > as Pine > or Lynx on remote machines and discovered a way for better cursor > tracking? Anyone raised terminal accessibility issues with Apple? > > Many thanks, > Garry > > -- > Garry Turkington > garry.turking...@gmail.com > > On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Michael Babcock wrote: > >> >> hi; >> jumping in here, but i use terminal all the time for sshing into >> the 3 >> servers i administer, if someone has a better way to do this, that >> would be wonderful, but i just use it now and love it:) >> On Jul 21, 2009, at 1:10 AM, James & Nash wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi Alex and all, >>> >>> Aren't VIM and Nano Linux command line tools? I'm sure I've seen >>> them when >>> I've played with Linux? You can port these to the Mac I take it how >>> cool. >>> >>> Take care >>> >>> James >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Alex Jurgensen" >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 5:39 AM >>> Subject: Re: Optimizing terminal accessibility >>> >>> Hi, Gary, I use it all day with varied success. Nano is a new eddition to my toolbox and it seems to have a few qwerks, but nothing major. I also used to use VIM, but found it crashed a lot with VO. You are correct that interacting and moving the VO cursor is the only way to read prior text. As far as interuptions, you should pipe the contents to a file and read it from teh file instead. What knd of development are you doing? Regards, Alex, On 20-Jul-09, at 8:09 PM, Garry Turkington wrote: > > Hi, > > I played with the Mac terminal last year and got some help from > people > here re its accessibility. I'm now using my Mac a lot more and > want > to > get the most out of the terminal so am requesting wisdom from > others > out > there. > > From the command line I really need the ability to do development > locally > and connect to remote machines via ssh. I've found a few issues: > > 1. Any command that generates multi-line output seems to be > truncated by > the prompt or new line announcement. Good example is "java - > version". I > can improve this by setting a much shorter prompt in my shell but > it's > still very hit and miss. Is there any way to configure things to > more > reliably read new information? I've tried messing around with > cursor and > terminal types with no success that I can really point to. > > 2. Is there any way to review prior text on the screen or is > interacting > with the scroll area and moving the VO cursor up the way to do > that? > > 3. When connecting to remote machines -- and to a lesser degree > locally -- > I need access to some ncurses applications but the cursor tracking > with VO > seems very unpredictable. An example would be to open "lynx - > show_cursor" > on the remote box and try and say navigate around the CNN > homepage. > Or > use something like pine where cursoring around changes text > highlights. > > Anyone got advice as to how I can make all this work better for > me? > > Many thanks, > Garry > > > -- > Garry Turkington > garry.turking...@gmail.com > >> > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~-
Re: IPhone accessibility
It's quite possible to use the iPHone one handed. I do this frequently while walking around. It's, of course, easier to use two hands when you can, but that's true with any mobile phone. Anyway, there's no problem using the iPhone one handed, and it isn't all that much different from using any other phone that way. :) Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 21, 2009, at 2:03 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > Using it on the go I mean, while I’m walking around. > > With the n82 and other nokia phones I can do this, either on a call > or typing / reading email or text messages, I can do this with one > hand, which I don’t think I could dowith the IPhone. > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > ] On Behalf Of patrickneazer > Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2009 6:34 a.m. > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility > > Hello Simon and all: > > I want to ask you what you mean by using it on the go. I am asking > because unless there is something I am missing ... and there may > be ... the iphone is quite usable. That does not mean you have to > use it ... it just means that your usability concerns may be > misplaced. > On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:13 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > > Thanks yes I understand all your pro’s and cons. > > Yeah I’ve got msp from a windows mobile device that I gave up > around a year ago. And now use talks on my n82. > It’s a number of different things that I’m hesitating over, such > as size and useability while on the go that are some of the things > that are important. > The n82 I can use on the go the IPhone I’m guessing I wont be > able to. > > But still a few other thigns to think about before the buy or not! > > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > ] On Behalf Of patrickneazer > Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 10:34 p.m. > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility > > Hello Simon and all: > > One question you might want to consider is the issue of > expandability. I am a user of a nokia 6650 with Mobile Speak and I > love it. However, the number of applications that will work with it > is not as robust as the Iphone. Second, while both my Mobile Speak > and voiceover upgrades are free, the method of upgrading is quite > different. I do not know about talks because I have never used it. > However, if it is anything like Mobile Speak I cannot upgrade it > independently. The only reason I make a point of this is the ability > of being able to keep up with the latest updates to a system rather > than being one step behind. Furthermore, does it make sense to have > to pay a transfer cost if you either lose your phone or decide you > want or need a new one. In the case of Mobile Speak, if you change > phones for whatever reason there is a transfer cost. I do not know > how it works with Talks. If I want another Iphone I just get another > Iphone without incurring any additional costs for things beyond my > control which may have resulted in the phone's loss or just for the > freedom of wanting something different. > > There are a few more reasons I can mention though I will point out > only one more ... with this arrangement of the Iphone and AT&T, the > entire customer service flow is for the first time under one roof. > If I have a problem with the Iphone I am able to take it to AT&T and > they can be of assistance without necessarily farming it out to > someone else and if they do farm it out to someone else ... that > would be Apple and they would know that I am on the way (smile). > With Mobile Speak it could be a mobile speak issue which I would > have to go to Code Factory, it could be a phone problem where Nokia > would have to be called in, it could be a billing problem where the > Phone company would have to be tapped and, if I had a problem with > the actual purchase of Mobile Speak and I did not purchase it from > Code Factory I then would have to deal with AT&T's office of > national disability concerns which is a completely separate > operation from AT&T. I like the one umbrella that the Iphone has the > potential to provide. I have both and love both and see the > advantages to each. > > Just my two cents contributed to the discussion. No matter what your > final conclusion, it will be a good one. > > Take good care. > On Jul 19, 2009, at 4:35 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > > > > Yeah, I had a sit down and play with the I phone for about an hour > today and > I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity. > I'm so use to the Nokia and talks interface that the IPhones system > is not > as efficient yet as I would ha
Re: made the decision
Hi, I've got a mac mini and must say it's great. It's small, just a little square box really!! Best wishes, Vicki. On 16 Jul 2009, at 02:46, Mike Arrigo wrote: > > You could always get the mac mini, it's the cheapest one, but they > work great. > On Jul 15, 2009, at 2:41 PM, May and Wynter wrote: > >> Ok everyone. I have made my decision. got to play the mac >> computers today and I absolutely fel in love with them. Of course >> when I actually get one it will take more than the 24 hours I needed >> to learn my IPhone but I'm looking forward to the new adventure. I >> saw the macbook white, the macbook pro, macbook aire and the IMac. I >> can definitely say the aire though small was not the one for me. >> Now to convince ATBC to get me the Pro. I'll have to buy the IMac >> unfortunately on my own which will take a while to save for, cry cry. >> >> Thanks to the IPhone, I will be a Mac user soon. >> >> May off to Edmonton Alberta on the 25th. >> Am I ready to see some people there? >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
odd
hi all, When I set voiceover to group navigation it seems to still be acting in dom mode? very strange Will --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Apple plans to blick rival smart phones
Hi Abdul You may very well be right. You have made some very compelling arguments. James - Original Message - From: "Abdul Kamara" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:04 PM Subject: Re: Apple plans to blick rival smart phones > > Hi James, > I found the article referenced and the discussion on "This Week in > Tech" (TWIT), podcasted on the 12th of this month, rather interesting. > > Objectively, it can be said that by blocking the Pre, Apple is > practicing the same anti-competitive monopolistic behavior > characteristic of Microsoft throughout the mid to late 90s. And that > would be a valid argument. > > However, as with most things, the devil is in the details. Apple is > vertically consolidated, to the degree that it is able to control the > quality of its products and the environment in which it is used by its > customers. It is a level of quality assurance that Microsoft, Palm, > Dell, LeNovo and other major competitors are unable to match. > > The article points out that Apple had warned they would no longer > support media sync for non-ipod digital audio devices. And why should > they? As such, Apple would be expected to support devices that would > not be under their sphere of control. I think it is Apple's sense (on > which I would completely agree) that it is better to produce and > maintain a seemless but highly functional echo system of products and > services that consistently work, and where thusly the issue of choice > in third party products in line with that echo system is rendered moot. > > > > Palm argues that Apple is cutting its nose to spite its face. I doubt > it. I think a large part of why people would choose a Palm over an > iPhone is because they would be working from the notion that the > iPhone would be insufficient in meeting business needs, i.e., iPhones > are for any old consumers, Palms and Blackberries are for serious > people. I think that perception will soon change; and Palm will once > again be in a difficult position after having resigned themselves to > the reality of things. The iTunes/iPod/iPhone is one of the most > popular consumer platforms of electronic products and services, and > whining about it ain't gonna get you anywhere. > > Abdul > > > > > On 17 Jul 2009, at 23:03, James & Nash wrote: > >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> From the BBC website: >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8155795.stm >> >> Take care >> >> james >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: keyboard layout
oh Anne, thanks for that and I will check it out. >From Wendy. - Original Message - From: "Anne Robertson" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 3:00 PM Subject: Re: keyboard layout > > Hello Wendy, > > The Apple keyboard layout is different from Windows. The "@" sign is > over the 2, and double-quotes is above the apostrophe. You can tell > for sure whether your keyboard is British or not by doing Shift-3. If > you get the pound sign, it's British. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > On Jul 21, 2009, at 1:52 PM, Wendy wrote: > >> >> Hi Ester, I've followed your instrucitons and all seems well. Let me >> explain though, on my windows keyboard when i do a capital 2 it vies >> me a >> double quites sign and a capital apostrophe for the at sign, on the >> apple >> its the opposite way round and someone told me that the first way i >> described is the american keyboard way although the apple seems to >> be right >> and the right boxes are checked from what i've done. So ithe the >> Capital 2 >> as the at sign and capital apostrophe as the double quote just a >> standard >> apple way for apple computer on whichever way you have the keyboard >> set up. >> >> From Wendy. >> - Original Message - >> From: "Esther" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:08 AM >> Subject: Re: keyboard layout >> >> >>> >>> Hi Wendy, >>> >>> Do you just want to change your keyboard layout from US to UK or your >>> complete language localization? Also, do you want to be able to >>> switch to a UK keyboard or make that your sole (default) keyboard? >>> The difference between just using a UK keyboard (and not a UK >>> localization) is that your spell checker and grammar checker (if you >>> use them) will still use US English conventions. >>> >>> To add a UK input keyboard, go to the International Menu under System >>> Preferences, navigate to the Input Menu tab, and check the box for >>> your input language in the table. I'll use VO as a shortcut meaning >>> press the VoiceOver Control and Option keys. VO-M means press >>> Control, Option, and M keys, etc.: >>> >>> 1. VO-M to the menu bar Apple Menu >>> 2. Arrow down and press "s y" to go to "System Preferences" and press >>> enter >>> 3. In the System Preferences window tab (or VO-Right Arrow) to the >>> International menu and select it with VO-Space >>> 4. VO-Right Arrow to the "Input Menu" tab and press it (VO-Space) >>> 5. VO-Right Arrow to the table of keyboard inputs and interact (VO- >>> Shift-Down arrow) >>> 6. VO-Right Arrow to the second column, which lists the name of the >>> selected keyboard; then VO-Down Arrow to "British". (The entries are >>> alphabetic after Character entries for palette and Chinese/Japanese/ >>> Korean inputs, and "British is a little more than 40 key presses >>> down.) >>> 7. VO-Left Arrow to the first check box column and us VO-Space to >>> check the entry for "British" >>> 8. Stop interacting with the table (VO-Shift Up Arrow) >>> 9. VO-Right Arrow to the check box for "Show input menu in menu bar" >>> and check it with VO-Space >>> 10. Close the International preferences menu with Command-W >>> 11. To select the British keyboard, press VO-M twice to navigate to >>> the status menu bar. VO-Right Arrow to the Text Input menu, then >>> arrow >>> down to select "British" and press enter. >>> >>> HTH >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Esther >>> On Jul 20, 2009, at 23:29, Wendy wrote: >>> Hi, Can someone tell me how I change the keyboard layout from US to UK please?> Thank you. From Wendy. >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
completely uninstalling Parallels
Hi, I want to be sure all traces of Parallels and the virtual Windows XP machine it created are off my system before I try installing Fusion. I ran the uninstall application that came with it, and it said it removed Parallels but would leave Windows XP and activation files. Does anyone know where these files are likely to be? I know Parallels created a disk partition, but I don't see anything new when I move through the sidebar. How can I find and remove it so I can start clean? Thanks very much, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: completely uninstalling Parallels
Hi Anna, how are you doing? I hope everything is going well. Have you checked in the following areas? Within your Macintosh HD folder, head into the following areas. System Folder In this folder, into your Library folder. Check the folders that are labeled Cache, preferences, preferences panes, receipts, and any other folder that might be related to the program you are trying to delete. AFterwards, go back out of the directory your working to, and return to the root folder within your Macintosh HD. To do this, use Command + Up, until you get to where you want. Go into the Users folder, select your user name, and head into Library. Once in that folder, check the folders I listed above, and make sure to check if any folders are related to the program you are installing within the main library folder. As for deleted machines and so fourth, usually, there is a folder within the Documents folder located in your Macintosh HD. I do not know if this is hte case with Parrallels, but you can certainly check and see if there is a default folder with virtual machines go too. I hope this helps. Take care. fonzie On Jul 21, 2009, at 9:01 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: > > Hi, > > I want to be sure all traces of Parallels and the virtual Windows XP > machine it created are off my system before I try installing Fusion. I > ran the uninstall application that came with it, and it said it > removed Parallels but would leave Windows XP and activation files. > Does anyone know where these files are likely to be? I know Parallels > created a disk partition, but I don't see anything new when I move > through the sidebar. How can I find and remove it so I can start > clean? > > Thanks very much, > Anna > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Making several audiofiles into an iPod audiobook?
Hi, I hope I can ask this clearly... I have several spoken word type audio files. m4a. I use audio recorder to get them. Right now they go on my iPod as a big bunch of audio files. I was playing around with the tag editor in iTunes and got them to go from my music list to my audiobooks list by classing them as audio books. I would like to know how one might smoosh all those audio book files into one big audiobook. For example, let's say the book I'm working with has 32 tracks making up the whole book. Presently the iPod and iTunes sees this as 32 audiobooks or 32 files. I want to make it one single file. Is this possible? Not too interested in setting nav points just yet. I do have "save playback spot" enabled though. I have a feeling this will require a digital talking book making program? If so well regardless of what it takes is it awfully hard and are there howtoos in how to do it? Am I clear as mud? These btw are not computer read audio files it is real live people... ### Best Wishes Jenny Kennedy (Howard) blueskyes9112...@gmail.com Olathe, Kansas USA Join me on FaceBook: Personal Profile - www.facebook.com/blueskyes And feel free to join "The Blind Parents of FaceBook" group. Search for it in groups or contact me for details. Follow me via twitter using the username: ben_folds_fan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Making several audiofiles into an iPod audiobook?
Hi, You can use Audiobook Maker from http://audiobookmaker.sf.net/ or Sox if you like CLI. Note: With AudioBook Mker you have a limit of 13 hours per track because of Quicktime. Regards, Alex, On 21-Jul-09, at 7:36 PM, Jenny Kennedy (Howard) wrote: > > Hi, I hope I can ask this clearly... > I have several spoken word type audio files. m4a. I use audio > recorder to get them. > Right now they go on my iPod as a big bunch of audio files. > I was playing around with the tag editor in iTunes and got them to go > from my music list to my audiobooks list by classing them as audio > books. > I would like to know how one might smoosh all those audio book files > into one big audiobook. > > For example, let's say the book I'm working with has 32 tracks making > up the whole book. Presently the iPod and iTunes sees this as 32 > audiobooks or 32 files. I want to make it one single file. Is this > possible? Not too interested in setting nav points just yet. I do > have "save playback spot" enabled though. > I have a feeling this will require a digital talking book making > program? If so well regardless of what it takes is it awfully hard > and are there howtoos in how to do it? Am I clear as mud? > > These btw are not computer read audio files it is real live people... > > > > > > > ### > > > > Best Wishes > Jenny Kennedy (Howard) > blueskyes9112...@gmail.com > Olathe, Kansas USA > > Join me on FaceBook: > Personal Profile - www.facebook.com/blueskyes > And feel free to join "The Blind Parents of FaceBook" group. Search > for it in groups or contact me for details. > > Follow me via twitter using the username: ben_folds_fan > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Making several audiofiles into an iPod audiobook?
or you can use audiobook builder from http://splasm.com mike On Jul 21, 2009, at 6:44 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > You can use Audiobook Maker from http://audiobookmaker.sf.net/ or Sox > if you like CLI. Note: With AudioBook Mker you have a limit of 13 > hours per track because of Quicktime. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 21-Jul-09, at 7:36 PM, Jenny Kennedy (Howard) wrote: > >> >> Hi, I hope I can ask this clearly... >> I have several spoken word type audio files. m4a. I use audio >> recorder to get them. >> Right now they go on my iPod as a big bunch of audio files. >> I was playing around with the tag editor in iTunes and got them to go >> from my music list to my audiobooks list by classing them as audio >> books. >> I would like to know how one might smoosh all those audio book files >> into one big audiobook. >> >> For example, let's say the book I'm working with has 32 tracks making >> up the whole book. Presently the iPod and iTunes sees this as 32 >> audiobooks or 32 files. I want to make it one single file. Is this >> possible? Not too interested in setting nav points just yet. I do >> have "save playback spot" enabled though. >> I have a feeling this will require a digital talking book making >> program? If so well regardless of what it takes is it awfully hard >> and are there howtoos in how to do it? Am I clear as mud? >> >> These btw are not computer read audio files it is real live people... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ### >> >> >> >> Best Wishes >> Jenny Kennedy (Howard) >> blueskyes9112...@gmail.com >> Olathe, Kansas USA >> >> Join me on FaceBook: >> Personal Profile - www.facebook.com/blueskyes >> And feel free to join "The Blind Parents of FaceBook" group. Search >> for it in groups or contact me for details. >> >> Follow me via twitter using the username: ben_folds_fan >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Making several audiofiles into an iPod audiobook?
Oooo! Hi Alex! Thanks much. This looks just like what I was looking for. Oh and the program workflow thing you directed me to that makes text files into audio files is so awesome! Totally perfect! :-) Thank you very much! This makes me happy. :-) ### Best Wishes Jenny Kennedy (Howard) blueskyes9112...@gmail.com Olathe, Kansas USA Join me on FaceBook: Personal Profile - www.facebook.com/blueskyes And feel free to join "The Blind Parents of FaceBook" group. Search for it in groups or contact me for details. Follow me via twitter using the username: ben_folds_fan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Making several audiofiles into an iPod audiobook?
Hi. Another solution to this is the join together, over on doug's scripts. You can find it at this link. http://dougscripts.com/itunes/itinfo/jointogether.php I can't say how this compares to audiobook maker or audiobook builder, as I've not used those programs. But I have had good luck doing what you want with join together. Darcy On 21-Jul-09, at 10:36 PM, Jenny Kennedy (Howard) wrote: > > Hi, I hope I can ask this clearly... > I have several spoken word type audio files. m4a. I use audio > recorder to get them. > Right now they go on my iPod as a big bunch of audio files. > I was playing around with the tag editor in iTunes and got them to go > from my music list to my audiobooks list by classing them as audio > books. > I would like to know how one might smoosh all those audio book files > into one big audiobook. > > For example, let's say the book I'm working with has 32 tracks making > up the whole book. Presently the iPod and iTunes sees this as 32 > audiobooks or 32 files. I want to make it one single file. Is this > possible? Not too interested in setting nav points just yet. I do > have "save playback spot" enabled though. > I have a feeling this will require a digital talking book making > program? If so well regardless of what it takes is it awfully hard > and are there howtoos in how to do it? Am I clear as mud? > > These btw are not computer read audio files it is real live people... > > > > > > > ### > > > > Best Wishes > Jenny Kennedy (Howard) > blueskyes9112...@gmail.com > Olathe, Kansas USA > > Join me on FaceBook: > Personal Profile - www.facebook.com/blueskyes > And feel free to join "The Blind Parents of FaceBook" group. Search > for it in groups or contact me for details. > > Follow me via twitter using the username: ben_folds_fan > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
What Audio Editors are people using?
Hi guys. This is partly for my own curiosity, and partly for something Holly and I are planning for Screenless Switchers. For those of you who do any sort of audio editor, what is your program of choice? The ones I'm aware of are, garage band, Amadeus Pro, Sound Studio, Fission, and audacity. If there are others, of course let me know that. Also how experienced are you with your chosen audio editor? I think this has the potential to generate discussion, so if you're going to reply, go ahead and do it here on list. That is unless Cara or Josh object. Darcy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: What Audio Editors are people using?
I use sound studo. btw how can a vo user use adsidy here at unc in Colorado thay like this program but Ihaven't figered out how to use vo with it? On Jul 21, 2009, at 9:45 PM, Darcy Burnard wrote: > > Hi guys. This is partly for my own curiosity, and partly for > something Holly and I are planning for Screenless Switchers. > For those of you who do any sort of audio editor, what is your program > of choice? The ones I'm aware of are, garage band, Amadeus Pro, Sound > Studio, Fission, and audacity. If there are others, of course let me > know that. > Also how experienced are you with your chosen audio editor? > I think this has the potential to generate discussion, so if you're > going to reply, go ahead and do it here on list. That is unless Cara > or Josh object. > Darcy > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: What Audio Editors are people using?
Amadeus Pro is my editor of choice. Not very experienced yet, I have done a little recording and a few file conversions. On 21-Jul-09, at 11:45 PM, Darcy Burnard wrote: > > Hi guys. This is partly for my own curiosity, and partly for > something Holly and I are planning for Screenless Switchers. > For those of you who do any sort of audio editor, what is your program > of choice? The ones I'm aware of are, garage band, Amadeus Pro, Sound > Studio, Fission, and audacity. If there are others, of course let me > know that. > Also how experienced are you with your chosen audio editor? > I think this has the potential to generate discussion, so if you're > going to reply, go ahead and do it here on list. That is unless Cara > or Josh object. > Darcy > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: What Audio Editors are people using?
I prefer Amadeus pro as well. Not all that experienced with it yet. There was an editor which is a totally free app I believe, that was mentioned on the latest Mac Review cast, will have to take a look and get the site for it. Haven't tried it to see if it's accessible. On Jul 21, 2009, at 11:45 PM, Darcy Burnard wrote: > > Hi guys. This is partly for my own curiosity, and partly for > something Holly and I are planning for Screenless Switchers. > For those of you who do any sort of audio editor, what is your program > of choice? The ones I'm aware of are, garage band, Amadeus Pro, Sound > Studio, Fission, and audacity. If there are others, of course let me > know that. > Also how experienced are you with your chosen audio editor? > I think this has the potential to generate discussion, so if you're > going to reply, go ahead and do it here on list. That is unless Cara > or Josh object. > Darcy > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: What Audio Editors are people using?
Hi Darcy, I use Fission. I've used it quite a bit although it's off and on so I need to refresh myself most of the time when I start doing audio sorts of things. Later... On 21-Jul-09, at 9:45 PM, Darcy Burnard wrote: > > Hi guys. This is partly for my own curiosity, and partly for > something Holly and I are planning for Screenless Switchers. > For those of you who do any sort of audio editor, what is your program > of choice? The ones I'm aware of are, garage band, Amadeus Pro, Sound > Studio, Fission, and audacity. If there are others, of course let me > know that. > Also how experienced are you with your chosen audio editor? > I think this has the potential to generate discussion, so if you're > going to reply, go ahead and do it here on list. That is unless Cara > or Josh object. > Darcy > > > > Tim Kilburn & Carter the Canine Fort McMurray, AB Canada --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
