archive and install
hi when snowleopard is released, if I archive and install will that migrate my current home folder across? Will --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: archive and install
Hi, No one knows for sure, but as long as you select "Keep user data" and "Keep Network settings" everything should be as you left it before doing the archive and insall. Regards, Alex, On 20-Jul-09, at 12:08 AM, william lomas wrote: > > hi when snowleopard is released, if I archive and install will > that > migrate my current home folder across? > Will > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: IPhone accessibility
Scott, glad I could help. I hate linux, but gotta admit, if you need to do data recovery from a so called screwed hard drive, You can't go past a linux interface. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 9:57 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Simon, I think the following statement really sums up the whole windows verses Mac or Talks/Mobile Speak vs iPhone discussion. > "I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity." > Yes, that is correct, it's all about familiarity and now that you > have stepped outside the comfort zone or familiar way of doing > things, you find you are not as efficient. Gee, is this a surprise? > Did you honestly think you would sit down and master an entirely new > interface in a few minutes? No different than moving from a windows > environment to a Mac environment. You will only become efficient > with practice and daily use. I distinctly recall when I made the > move from the shell environment of Linux to the Mac, I tinkered a > little with the Mac, but still relied on my Linux box. I decided > quickly that I had to turn off the Linux box and dive in. Once i > did, I started picking things up and making real progress. That is > how it will be with the iPhone. You will become efficient as you use > it regularly. Your statement was just right on the money and I > couldn't pass up the opportunity to make use of it. On Jul 19, 2009, at 4:35 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > Yeah, I had a sit down and play with the I phone for about an hour > today and > I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity. > I'm so use to the Nokia and talks interface that the IPhones system > is not > as efficient yet as I would have hoped. > > However I gotta admit that I am thinking of reasons why I shouldn't > change > to one at this point, and the only reason so far is that my n82 does > everything that the iphone does and that I need it to. > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: IPhone accessibility
Thanks yes I understand all your pro's and cons. Yeah I've got msp from a windows mobile device that I gave up around a year ago. And now use talks on my n82. It's a number of different things that I'm hesitating over, such as size and useability while on the go that are some of the things that are important. The n82 I can use on the go the IPhone I'm guessing I wont be able to. But still a few other thigns to think about before the buy or not! From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of patrickneazer Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 10:34 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon and all: One question you might want to consider is the issue of expandability. I am a user of a nokia 6650 with Mobile Speak and I love it. However, the number of applications that will work with it is not as robust as the Iphone. Second, while both my Mobile Speak and voiceover upgrades are free, the method of upgrading is quite different. I do not know about talks because I have never used it. However, if it is anything like Mobile Speak I cannot upgrade it independently. The only reason I make a point of this is the ability of being able to keep up with the latest updates to a system rather than being one step behind. Furthermore, does it make sense to have to pay a transfer cost if you either lose your phone or decide you want or need a new one. In the case of Mobile Speak, if you change phones for whatever reason there is a transfer cost. I do not know how it works with Talks. If I want another Iphone I just get another Iphone without incurring any additional costs for things beyond my control which may have resulted in the phone's loss or just for the freedom of wanting something different. There are a few more reasons I can mention though I will point out only one more ... with this arrangement of the Iphone and AT&T, the entire customer service flow is for the first time under one roof. If I have a problem with the Iphone I am able to take it to AT&T and they can be of assistance without necessarily farming it out to someone else and if they do farm it out to someone else ... that would be Apple and they would know that I am on the way (smile). With Mobile Speak it could be a mobile speak issue which I would have to go to Code Factory, it could be a phone problem where Nokia would have to be called in, it could be a billing problem where the Phone company would have to be tapped and, if I had a problem with the actual purchase of Mobile Speak and I did not purchase it from Code Factory I then would have to deal with AT&T's office of national disability concerns which is a completely separate operation from AT&T. I like the one umbrella that the Iphone has the potential to provide. I have both and love both and see the advantages to each. Just my two cents contributed to the discussion. No matter what your final conclusion, it will be a good one. Take good care. On Jul 19, 2009, at 4:35 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Yeah, I had a sit down and play with the I phone for about an hour today and I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity. I'm so use to the Nokia and talks interface that the IPhones system is not as efficient yet as I would have hoped. However I gotta admit that I am thinking of reasons why I shouldn't change to one at this point, and the only reason so far is that my n82 does everything that the iphone does and that I need it to. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare dehard Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:29 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Honestly given what I have heard/read, because this interface is so very different from what we have grown accustomed to, it's probably tough to get fixed on it right away. it's probably a let's forget about the old wisdom or at least set it aside while looking in to this and start from the ground. So, in a nutshell this is more like a slow growth to understanding product rather than something that can be quickly affixed. On 18-Jul-09, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are
RE: IPhone accessibility
So does a new message come first or do you have to scroll down to find it. I don't mind the nokia texting method but I'm always open to change. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of patrickneazer Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 10:39 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hello Simon and all: I will refrain from answering the question pertaining to battery life because that is a variable thing depending upon usage. I will leave that to others (smile). However, in regard to messaging one of the things I like about the iphone as opposed to my Nokia is that I can follow the thread of a message all at once rather than open multiple messages to keep track of a message. That in my opinion is a nice feature. So, If I wanted milk, bread, and gatorade I can track the whole back and forth texting about the shopping trip to narrow down why mash potatoes came threw the door when I did not know they were coming ... LOL. I know that has never happened to anyone ... LOL On Jul 19, 2009, at 4:41 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Thanks peggy, I'm now wondering what sort of battery life people get from the IPhone when using Voice over!? How much more of a strain on the devices battery does vo put? also, no one has said anything about using text / sms messaging on the device either. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peggy Fleischer Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 8:37 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility Hi: I'm totally blind and use the Iphone 3gs. I use the mail, the phone, the notes and the voice recorder. I love the Ipod and reading books from audible and playing games when sitting around for a few minutes. I find it easier to use twitter and facebook with my phone than with my computer. I even store my favorite recipes on my phone. Today I went into a store to shop for a purse. I found one I liked but didn't like the price so I typed the name of the purse in the notes on my phone and came home to find it at a better price on line. I also accessed my grocery list I had stored on the phone. My newspaper is also accessed from my phone. wonderful device and not just for the partially sighted. Peggy Fleischer peggyfleisc...@bellsouth.net Jude 1:24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to present you faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy, 1:25 To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, Dominion and power, Both now and forever. Amen. On Jul 18, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Hi folks, Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a totally blind person. I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility against my Nokia s60 device. And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't say I'm fixed on it yet. And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with it. Cheers Simonf. Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
simon i'd just go and try one if i were you as reading about it mate isn't going to let you see it, smile On 20 Jul 2009, at 10:15, Simon Fogarty wrote: > So does a new message come first or do you have to scroll down to > find it. > I don’t mind the nokia texting method but I’m always open to > change. > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > ] On Behalf Of patrickneazer > Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 10:39 p.m. > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility > > Hello Simon and all: > > I will refrain from answering the question pertaining to battery > life because that is a variable thing depending upon usage. I will > leave that to others (smile). > > However, in regard to messaging one of the things I like about the > iphone as opposed to my Nokia is that I can follow the thread of a > message all at once rather than open multiple messages to keep track > of a message. That in my opinion is a nice feature. So, If I wanted > milk, bread, and gatorade I can track the whole back and forth > texting about the shopping trip to narrow down why mash potatoes > came threw the door when I did not know they were coming ... LOL. I > know that has never happened to anyone ... LOL > On Jul 19, 2009, at 4:41 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > > > Thanks peggy, > > I'm now wondering what sort of battery life people get from the > IPhone when > using Voice over!? > How much more of a strain on the devices battery does vo put? > > also, no one has said anything about using text / sms messaging on the > device either. > > > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peggy Fleischer > Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 8:37 a.m. > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility > > > Hi: > > I'm totally blind and use the Iphone 3gs. I use the mail, the phone, > the notes and the voice recorder. I love the Ipod and reading books > from audible and playing games when sitting around for a few minutes. > I find it easier to use twitter and facebook with my phone than with > my computer. I even store my favorite recipes on my phone. > > Today I went into a store to shop for a purse. I found one I liked but > didn't like the price so I typed the name of the purse in the notes > on my phone and came home to find it at a better price on line. I also > accessed my grocery list I had stored on the phone. > > My newspaper is also accessed from my phone. wonderful device and not > just for the partially sighted. > > Peggy Fleischer > peggyfleisc...@bellsouth.net > > Jude 1:24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to > present you > faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy, > 1:25 To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, > Dominion > and power, Both now and forever. Amen. > > > On Jul 18, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are > totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. > > The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a > totally blind > person. > > I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility > against > my Nokia s60 device. > And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't > say I'm > fixed on it yet. > And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with > it. > > Cheers > > Simonf. > > > > > > > > > > > Take good care and I wish you enough. > > Love > > Me > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: archive and install
Yes ALex there is no reason why an archive and install would behave any differently. Of course always having a backup is a must because anything can go wrong. On Jul 20, 2009, at 3:37 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > No one knows for sure, but as long as you select "Keep user data" and > "Keep Network settings" everything should be as you left it before > doing the archive and insall. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 20-Jul-09, at 12:08 AM, william lomas wrote: > >> >> hi when snowleopard is released, if I archive and install will >> that >> migrate my current home folder across? >> Will >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
NFB Newsline files and the mac
Hi, I am curious if anybody can explain this. I have been going to the Nfb Newsline Online site and having my Newspaper emailed to me. The Newspaper consists of 4 DAISY files. If I copy and paste these files onto an SAID card using my iMac, I end up with 8 files in the folder which seem to be two duplicates of each of the original 4 files. Does anybody understand why this happens? I am just curious about it. Thanks, Robert Carter --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: archive and install
That was the case for both Tiger and Leopard installs. The take control books will have a Take Control of Upgrading to Snow Leopard which if experience is any clue will come out on the release date of Snow Leopard will describe the advantages and disadvantages of any install options. Jon On Jul 20, 2009, at 3:08 AM, william lomas wrote: > > hi when snowleopard is released, if I archive and install will > that > migrate my current home folder across? > Will > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: archive and install
Hi, What I mean is no one knows if Apple will even provide such an option in SL. Regards, Alex, On 20-Jul-09, at 3:42 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > > Yes ALex there is no reason why an archive and install would behave > any differently. Of course always having a backup is a must because > anything can go wrong. > On Jul 20, 2009, at 3:37 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> No one knows for sure, but as long as you select "Keep user data" and >> "Keep Network settings" everything should be as you left it before >> doing the archive and insall. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 20-Jul-09, at 12:08 AM, william lomas wrote: >> >>> >>> hi when snowleopard is released, if I archive and install will >>> that >>> migrate my current home folder across? >>> Will >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: NFB Newsline files and the mac
Hi, It may sound silly, but ruling out all possibilities, is there a chance you are pasting twice. Regards, Alex, On 20-Jul-09, at 5:57 AM, Robert Carter wrote: > > Hi, > > I am curious if anybody can explain this. I have been going to the > Nfb Newsline Online site and having my Newspaper emailed to me. The > Newspaper consists of 4 DAISY files. If I copy and paste these files > onto an SAID card using my iMac, I end up with 8 files in the folder > which seem to be two duplicates of each of the original 4 files. > Does anybody understand why this happens? I am just curious about it. > > Thanks, > > Robert Carter > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: NFB Newsline files and the mac
Hi, Are you sure one is a duplicate. One may have a . before it and be a file used by the Mac OS. Regards, Alex, On 20-Jul-09, at 5:57 AM, Robert Carter wrote: > > Hi, > > I am curious if anybody can explain this. I have been going to the > Nfb Newsline Online site and having my Newspaper emailed to me. The > Newspaper consists of 4 DAISY files. If I copy and paste these files > onto an SAID card using my iMac, I end up with 8 files in the folder > which seem to be two duplicates of each of the original 4 files. > Does anybody understand why this happens? I am just curious about it. > > Thanks, > > Robert Carter > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: archive and install
True, but archive and install has been typical of past installers so I would think they would continue that. Since Apple went with a Users folder for all user documents and preferences it makes it much easier to swap out the OS without effecting the users data. CB Alex Jurgensen wrote: > Hi, > > What I mean is no one knows if Apple will even provide such an option > in SL. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 20-Jul-09, at 3:42 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > > >> Yes ALex there is no reason why an archive and install would behave >> any differently. Of course always having a backup is a must because >> anything can go wrong. >> On Jul 20, 2009, at 3:37 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> No one knows for sure, but as long as you select "Keep user data" and >>> "Keep Network settings" everything should be as you left it before >>> doing the archive and insall. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> On 20-Jul-09, at 12:08 AM, william lomas wrote: >>> >>> hi when snowleopard is released, if I archive and install will that migrate my current home folder across? Will >>> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: NFB Newsline files and the mac
Hi Robert, Not got a sollution, more of a question. I think I've seen the same behaviour you described. Next time it happens, can you check the file sizes of both copies you get? For me, it was always that one was the full size of the file, the other would be tiny like 32kb or something. Far from resolving it, but at least if we're seeing the same behaviour it might give the cleverer folks on here a clue as to why it's happening. Scott On 7/20/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > It may sound silly, but ruling out all possibilities, is there a > chance you are pasting twice. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 20-Jul-09, at 5:57 AM, Robert Carter wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> I am curious if anybody can explain this. I have been going to the >> Nfb Newsline Online site and having my Newspaper emailed to me. The >> Newspaper consists of 4 DAISY files. If I copy and paste these files >> onto an SAID card using my iMac, I end up with 8 files in the folder >> which seem to be two duplicates of each of the original 4 files. >> Does anybody understand why this happens? I am just curious about it. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Robert Carter >> >> > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: safari 4.0.2 seems to get stuck
Sometimes I find that I'm interacting with the tool bar, even though I didn't tell VO to; simply stopping interaction with the toolbar allows me to navigate more freely. Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: system has new dialog
The window chooser is also the only way I found to back to the force quit window in the finder. If I pop up Force Quit (apple option escape) and then move focus somewhere else, I would have through Apple Tilde would have eventually brought focus back to the force quit window, but it doesn't. So I have to do VO-F2 twice and then pick Force Quit Applications. Not sure why that window in the finder is treated as special and left out of the apple-tilde window cycle. CB Alex Jurgensen wrote: > Hi, > > It is just a quick alert that flashes up on screen. If not use "VO" + > "f1" twice and go to "System Dialogs". > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 19-Jul-09, at 8:15 AM, matthew T dyer wrote: > > >> Hi all, >> >> I have a question about the message system has new dialog. When I >> boot uop my pc and when I get the sync blox it pops up for a second >> the disapears then I get the message saying that system has new >> dialog. How do I access the dialog with voice over. I tried running >> through my listeds of open programs, but no luck. Is there anything I >> need to do to get to it or what do I do. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Matthew >> >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: system has new dialog
Hi, Because it is not tied to any other application, but a system dialog. You can also do "Command" + "Option" + "Escape" to get back to the Force Quit window. Regards, Alex, On 20-Jul-09, at 8:46 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: > The window chooser is also the only way I found to back to the force > quit window in the finder. If I pop up Force Quit (apple option > escape) and then move focus somewhere else, I would have through > Apple Tilde would have eventually brought focus back to the force > quit window, but it doesn't. So I have to do VO-F2 twice and then > pick Force Quit Applications. Not sure why that window in the finder > is treated as special and left out of the apple-tilde window cycle. > > CB > > Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> It is just a quick alert that flashes up on screen. If not use "VO" + >> "f1" twice and go to "System Dialogs". >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 19-Jul-09, at 8:15 AM, matthew T dyer wrote: >> >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I have a question about the message system has new dialog. When I >>> boot uop my pc and when I get the sync blox it pops up for a second >>> the disapears then I get the message saying that system has new >>> dialog. How do I access the dialog with voice over. I tried >>> running >>> through my listeds of open programs, but no luck. Is there >>> anything I >>> need to do to get to it or what do I do. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Matthew >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Is it possible to do Audio Editing on Mac OS X with VO?
Hi folks, Is it possible to do audio editing on the Mac using Voice Over? Is it as good as the results you'd get on the Windows side with say Sound Forge? Thanks Take good care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: NFB Newsline files and the mac
I have another possibility to look at. When I copy files from my iMac to a compact flash card which I use in a Braille Lite Millennium 20, and then use the m20 to access the card, there are files which have a "period" (spelled out for clarity) before the file name. This might be what you're finding. Bob Hill On Jul 20, 2009, at 11:35 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > It may sound silly, but ruling out all possibilities, is there a > chance you are pasting twice. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 20-Jul-09, at 5:57 AM, Robert Carter wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> I am curious if anybody can explain this. I have been going to the >> Nfb Newsline Online site and having my Newspaper emailed to me. The >> Newspaper consists of 4 DAISY files. If I copy and paste these files >> onto an SAID card using my iMac, I end up with 8 files in the folder >> which seem to be two duplicates of each of the original 4 files. >> Does anybody understand why this happens? I am just curious about it. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Robert Carter >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: safari 4.0.2 seems to get stuck
Hi Alex and Mark, I can confirm this bug. I find myself interacting with the toolbar, and must stop doing so to navigate newly loaded web pages. Strange, as I've never had issues where my focus was automatically taken to a specific item in other programs. On 7/20/09, Mark Baxter wrote: > > Sometimes I find that I'm interacting with the tool bar, even though I > didn't tell VO to; simply stopping interaction with the toolbar allows > me to navigate more freely. > > > Mark BurningHawk > > Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com > My home page: > http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Is it possible to do Audio Editing on Mac OS X with VO?
Hi, It is possible. I've not done it, so I'd wait for others to chime in, but the quick anser is that it is possible. Regards, Alex, On 20-Jul-09, at 9:11 AM, James & Nash wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Is it possible to do audio editing on the Mac using Voice Over? Is > it as > good as the results you'd get on the Windows side with say Sound > Forge? > > Thanks > > Take good care > > James > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: NFB Newsline files and the mac
I do not believe that I am pasting the articles twice. I tried the process a couple of different times being very careful about pasting and I ended up with eight files both times. I still haven't figured it out. Robert Carter - Original Message - From: Alex Jurgensen To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, Jul 20, 2009 9:36:13 Subject: Re: NFB Newsline files and the mac > > > > Hi, > > It may sound silly, but ruling out all possibilities, is there a > chance you are pasting twice. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 20-Jul-09, at 5:57 AM, Robert Carter wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > I am curious if anybody can explain this. I have been going to the > > Nfb Newsline Online site and having my Newspaper emailed to me. The > > Newspaper consists of 4 DAISY files. If I copy and paste these files > > onto an SAID card using my iMac, I end up with 8 files in the folder > > which seem to be two duplicates of each of the original 4 files. > > Does anybody understand why this happens? I am just curious about it. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Robert Carter > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en > com~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Is it possible to do Audio Editing on Mac OS X with VO?
yes, it's possible. The program of choice seems to be Amadeus Pro, though there are other options, depending on your needs. I'm only just starting out with Amadeus, so can't offer too much there, but having used Sound Forge for years, Amadeus is very different and takes some getting used to. That being said, there are some concepts in Amadeus that I like better, and also some from Sound Forge that I miss. My opinion may change as I become more familiar with Amadeus, however. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 20, 2009, at 9:11 AM, James & Nash wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Is it possible to do audio editing on the Mac using Voice Over? Is > it as > good as the results you'd get on the Windows side with say Sound > Forge? > > Thanks > > Take good care > > James > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: NFB Newsline files and the mac
I will check the file sizes but I believe you are correct that one of the duplicate files was very small in size. I just don't understand why the mac is creating these small files with the same names as the original files. Robert Carter - Original Message - From: Scott Chesworth To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, Jul 20, 2009 9:39:36 Subject: Re: NFB Newsline files and the mac > > > > Hi Robert, > > Not got a sollution, more of a question. I think I've seen the same > behaviour you described. Next time it happens, can you check the file > sizes of both copies you get? For me, it was always that one was the > full size of the file, the other would be tiny like 32kb or something. > > Far from resolving it, but at least if we're seeing the same behaviour > it might give the cleverer folks on here a clue as to why it's > happening. > > Scott > > On 7/20/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > It may sound silly, but ruling out all possibilities, is there a > > chance you are pasting twice. > > > > Regards, > > Alex, > > > > > > On 20-Jul-09, at 5:57 AM, Robert Carter wrote: > > > >ar > >ar Hi, > >ar > >ar I am curious if anybody can explain this. I have been going to the > >ar Nfb Newsline Online site and having my Newspaper emailed to me. The > >ar Newspaper consists of 4 DAISY files. If I copy and paste these files > >ar onto an SAID card using my iMac, I end up with 8 files in the folder > >ar which seem to be two duplicates of each of the original 4 files. > >ar Does anybody understand why this happens? I am just curious about it. > >ar > >ar Thanks, > >ar > >ar Robert Carter > >ar > >ar > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en > com~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: NFB Newsline files and the mac
Hi, If indeed they are smaller, they have a "." before them. Tis is a hidden file in OS X and contains file information for the file if I understand the concept correctly Regards, Alex, On 20-Jul-09, at 10:24 AM, Robert Carter wrote: > > I will check the file sizes but I believe you are correct that one > of the duplicate files was very small in size. I just don't > understand why the mac is creating these small files with the same > names as the original files. > > Robert Carter > > - Original Message - > From: Scott Chesworth > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Date: Monday, Jul 20, 2009 9:39:36 > Subject: Re: NFB Newsline files and the mac > >> >> >> >> Hi Robert, >> >> Not got a sollution, more of a question. I think I've seen the same >> behaviour you described. Next time it happens, can you check the >> file >> sizes of both copies you get? For me, it was always that one was the >> full size of the file, the other would be tiny like 32kb or >> something. >> >> Far from resolving it, but at least if we're seeing the same >> behaviour >> it might give the cleverer folks on here a clue as to why it's >> happening. >> >> Scott >> >> On 7/20/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> It may sound silly, but ruling out all possibilities, is there a >>> chance you are pasting twice. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> On 20-Jul-09, at 5:57 AM, Robert Carter wrote: >>> >>> ar >>> ar Hi, >>> ar >>> ar I am curious if anybody can explain this. I have been going to >>> the >>> ar Nfb Newsline Online site and having my Newspaper emailed to me. >>> The >>> ar Newspaper consists of 4 DAISY files. If I copy and paste these >>> files >>> ar onto an SAID card using my iMac, I end up with 8 files in the >>> folder >>> ar which seem to be two duplicates of each of the original 4 files. >>> ar Does anybody understand why this happens? I am just curious >>> about it. >>> ar >>> ar Thanks, >>> ar >>> ar Robert Carter >>> ar >>> ar > >>> >>> >>> >> >> > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: NFB Newsline files and the mac
Hi, I bet they are files starting with the period character and I didn't realize that the period was there because I did not have punctuation set to speak the period character. Thanks, Robert Carter - Original Message - From: Bob Hill To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, Jul 20, 2009 10:13:24 Subject: Re: NFB Newsline files and the mac > > > > I have another possibility to look at. > > When I copy files from my iMac to a compact flash card which I use in > a Braille Lite Millennium 20, and then use the m20 to access the card, > there are files which have a "period" (spelled out for clarity) before > the file name. > > This might be what you're finding. > > Bob Hill > > On Jul 20, 2009, at 11:35 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > It may sound silly, but ruling out all possibilities, is there a > > chance you are pasting twice. > > > > Regards, > > Alex, > > > > > > On 20-Jul-09, at 5:57 AM, Robert Carter wrote: > > > >ar > >ar Hi, > >ar > >ar I am curious if anybody can explain this. I have been going to the > >ar Nfb Newsline Online site and having my Newspaper emailed to me. The > >ar Newspaper consists of 4 DAISY files. If I copy and paste these files > >ar onto an SAID card using my iMac, I end up with 8 files in the folder > >ar which seem to be two duplicates of each of the original 4 files. > >ar Does anybody understand why this happens? I am just curious about it. > >ar > >ar Thanks, > >ar > >ar Robert Carter > >ar > >>> > > > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en > com~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: pages 9, tables and Voiceover
I'm not totally sure about this, but it seems to me that if you first insert something in the document body and then cut it to the clip- board, you can then paste it to the layout area and it will be located in relation to where you intend it to be. You could also just do a cut and paste to the layout just to operate on the item, then cut and paste it back into the document where you want it. As I said in a prior post, I've noticed in their templates they have some things in the layout and others are embedded in the document body. So I'm confused as to when one should do what. On Jul 19, 2009, at 2:01 AM, Simon Cavendish wrote: > > Alex, so a table is in the layout area but how does one integrate it > with the text, i.e. you want your table to appear at a certain point > in the text so you may wish to write text above the table and below it > and maybe also insert another table further down? That's how tables in > wordprocessing usually appear: as part of the document. Any clues, > Alex, or Barry? > > BW, Simon > On 18 Jul 2009, at 23:42, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> The talbes in the layout area is where they belong. The layout area >> is >> the whole document, the Body is just ment for text. Thanks for giving >> me this lead. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 18-Jul-09, at 1:18 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: >> >>> >>> I've had very little look working with tables in pages. If i >>> insert a >>> table into the layout area, I can see and edit it. If i insert it >>> into the body, I have had no luck in working with it in any way. >>> >>> On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:56 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote: >>> Dear Listers, Has anyone successfully been using Pages 9 and Voiceover while working with tables within a document? Can it be done reliably? BW, Simon > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Is it possible to do Audio Editing on Mac OS X with VO?
Hey Josh, is this a true multitrack editer, or just 2 tracks? Can you voerlap stuff? _ From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Josh de Lioncourt Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 12:23 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Is it possible to do Audio Editing on Mac OS X with VO? yes, it's possible. The program of choice seems to be Amadeus Pro, though there are other options, depending on your needs. I'm only just starting out with Amadeus, so can't offer too much there, but having used Sound Forge for years, Amadeus is very different and takes some getting used to. That being said, there are some concepts in Amadeus that I like better, and also some from Sound Forge that I miss. My opinion may change as I become more familiar with Amadeus, however. Josh de Lioncourt .my other mail provider is an owl. Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 20, 2009, at 9:11 AM, James & Nash wrote: Hi folks, Is it possible to do audio editing on the Mac using Voice Over? Is it as good as the results you'd get on the Windows side with say Sound Forge? Thanks Take good care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Is it possible to do Audio Editing on Mac OS X with VO?
I've been mucking around with Audacity on the mac myself. Editing commands work fine, though voiceover doesn't announce all that JFW under Windows is rumored to. Apparently track names are spoken and such. This would be very useful on the mac, but as of right now I uave to guess which ones are highilighted and which are not. The one access aid is a "bing" at the top and bottom of the track table. If Amadeus Pro is a multitrack editor I might consider it. I'm a big sound forge fan, and though it's singal-track and I can do multitrack-like work with it it takes a lot longer and I figure it's time for me to learn how to work with multiple tracks. It does make things easier when you can hear what and where you are mixing. I've listened to a Screenless Switchers with the segment on creating their logo with SoundStudio, and that app seemed to do all I've done with Sound Forge. I've heard there are tons of free AU effects (Mac's VST) so I don't think I will have a problem there. Is there any one podcast which compares those editors I've read about (fission, audacity, soundstudio)? One of the roundtables suggested that a future podcast might focus on it but I'd imagine that there have been one or two segments which have already been done (as I've already heard the afformentioned soundstudio segment). On 7/20/09, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > > yes, it's possible. The program of choice seems to be Amadeus Pro, > though there are other options, depending on your needs. I'm only just > starting out with Amadeus, so can't offer too much there, but having > used Sound Forge for years, Amadeus is very different and takes some > getting used to. That being said, there are some concepts in Amadeus > that I like better, and also some from Sound Forge that I miss. My > opinion may change as I become more familiar with Amadeus, however. > > > Josh de Lioncourt > …my other mail provider is an owl… > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > Music: http://stage19music.com > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > On Jul 20, 2009, at 9:11 AM, James & Nash wrote: > >> >> Hi folks, >> >> Is it possible to do audio editing on the Mac using Voice Over? Is >> it as >> good as the results you'd get on the Windows side with say Sound >> Forge? >> >> Thanks >> >> Take good care >> >> James >> >> >> > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Is it possible to do Audio Editing on Mac OS X with VO?
James, There are a miriad of options for audio editing on mac, with many of them being superior to Sound Forge. Finding a stable powerful and accessible one seems to be the catch. Since you mentioned Sound Forge my guess is you're after 2 track editing over the ability to multitrack. Fission from Rogue Amoeba is good for your basic stuff although not free if memory serves, Amadeus Pro gets a bit more in depth but also a bit more expensive, and Audacity is probably the most developed free app offering some accessibility that I know of. hth Scott On 7/20/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > It is possible. I've not done it, so I'd wait for others to chime in, > but the quick anser is that it is possible. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 20-Jul-09, at 9:11 AM, James & Nash wrote: > >> >> Hi folks, >> >> Is it possible to do audio editing on the Mac using Voice Over? Is >> it as >> good as the results you'd get on the Windows side with say Sound >> Forge? >> >> Thanks >> >> Take good care >> >> James >> >> >> > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: NFB Newsline files and the mac
Yup, having checked, mine are prefixed with a period here. I seem to recall an explanation of this way back, though couldn't easily find it in the archives. The general jist was that these smaller files are something that mac os uses to keep track of something or other (s technical haha), and while mac os itself knows we won't want to see them by default, other os's don't realise. If we're lucky, one of the unix/linux guru's will chime in and explain more. There is also I believe a terminal command to change this behaviour if it drives you nuts, although I'd wait for a more in depth explanation before executing it. On 7/20/09, Robert Carter wrote: > > Hi, > > I bet they are files starting with the period character and I didn't realize > that the period was there because I did not have punctuation set to speak > the period character. > > Thanks, > > Robert Carter > > - Original Message - > From: Bob Hill > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Date: Monday, Jul 20, 2009 10:13:24 > Subject: Re: NFB Newsline files and the mac > >> >> >> >> I have another possibility to look at. >> >> When I copy files from my iMac to a compact flash card which I use in >> a Braille Lite Millennium 20, and then use the m20 to access the card, >> there are files which have a "period" (spelled out for clarity) before >> the file name. >> >> This might be what you're finding. >> >> Bob Hill >> >> On Jul 20, 2009, at 11:35 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >> > >> > Hi, >> > >> > It may sound silly, but ruling out all possibilities, is there a >> > chance you are pasting twice. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Alex, >> > >> > >> > On 20-Jul-09, at 5:57 AM, Robert Carter wrote: >> > >> >ar >> >ar Hi, >> >ar >> >ar I am curious if anybody can explain this. I have been going to the >> >ar Nfb Newsline Online site and having my Newspaper emailed to me. The >> >ar Newspaper consists of 4 DAISY files. If I copy and paste these files >> >ar onto an SAID card using my iMac, I end up with 8 files in the folder >> >ar which seem to be two duplicates of each of the original 4 files. >> >ar Does anybody understand why this happens? I am just curious about it. >> >ar >> >ar Thanks, >> >ar >> >ar Robert Carter >> >ar >> >>> >> > >> > >> > > >> >> >> > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Is it possible to do Audio Editing on Mac OS X with VO?
It does Scott thanks - Original Message - From: "Scott Chesworth" To: Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 5:53 PM Subject: Re: Is it possible to do Audio Editing on Mac OS X with VO? > > James, > > There are a miriad of options for audio editing on mac, with many of > them being superior to Sound Forge. Finding a stable powerful and > accessible one seems to be the catch. > > Since you mentioned Sound Forge my guess is you're after 2 track > editing over the ability to multitrack. > > Fission from Rogue Amoeba is good for your basic stuff although not > free if memory serves, Amadeus Pro gets a bit more in depth but also a > bit more expensive, and Audacity is probably the most developed free > app offering some accessibility that I know of. > > hth > Scott > > On 7/20/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> It is possible. I've not done it, so I'd wait for others to chime in, >> but the quick anser is that it is possible. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 20-Jul-09, at 9:11 AM, James & Nash wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> Is it possible to do audio editing on the Mac using Voice Over? Is >>> it as >>> good as the results you'd get on the Windows side with say Sound >>> Forge? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Take good care >>> >>> James >>> >>> >>> > >> >> >> > >> > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Is it possible to do Audio Editing on Mac OS X with VO?
Yes, Amadeus Pro is a multi-track editor. :) As I said, I'm still learning how to use it. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 20, 2009, at 9:36 AM, Jed Barton wrote: > Hey Josh, is this a true multitrack editer, or just 2 tracks? > Can you voerlap stuff? > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > ] On Behalf Of Josh de Lioncourt > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 12:23 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Is it possible to do Audio Editing on Mac OS X with VO? > > > yes, it's possible. The program of choice seems to be Amadeus Pro, > though there are other options, depending on your needs. I'm only > just starting out with Amadeus, so can't offer too much there, but > having used Sound Forge for years, Amadeus is very different and > takes some getting used to. That being said, there are some concepts > in Amadeus that I like better, and also some from Sound Forge that I > miss. My opinion may change as I become more familiar with Amadeus, > however. > > > Josh de Lioncourt > …my other mail provider is an owl… > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > Music: http://stage19music.com > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > On Jul 20, 2009, at 9:11 AM, James & Nash wrote: > >> >> Hi folks, >> >> Is it possible to do audio editing on the Mac using Voice Over? Is >> it as >> good as the results you'd get on the Windows side with say Sound >> Forge? >> >> Thanks >> >> Take good care >> >> James >> >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Is it possible to do Audio Editing on Mac OS X with VO?
wow, that's awesome. Keep me posted on how it works. I'd be curious to hear more about it. How much is the program? _ From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Josh de Lioncourt Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 1:23 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Is it possible to do Audio Editing on Mac OS X with VO? Yes, Amadeus Pro is a multi-track editor. :) As I said, I'm still learning how to use it. Josh de Lioncourt .my other mail provider is an owl. Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 20, 2009, at 9:36 AM, Jed Barton wrote: Hey Josh, is this a true multitrack editer, or just 2 tracks? Can you voerlap stuff? _ From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Josh de Lioncourt Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 12:23 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Is it possible to do Audio Editing on Mac OS X with VO? yes, it's possible. The program of choice seems to be Amadeus Pro, though there are other options, depending on your needs. I'm only just starting out with Amadeus, so can't offer too much there, but having used Sound Forge for years, Amadeus is very different and takes some getting used to. That being said, there are some concepts in Amadeus that I like better, and also some from Sound Forge that I miss. My opinion may change as I become more familiar with Amadeus, however. Josh de Lioncourt .my other mail provider is an owl. Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 20, 2009, at 9:11 AM, James & Nash wrote: Hi folks, Is it possible to do audio editing on the Mac using Voice Over? Is it as good as the results you'd get on the Windows side with say Sound Forge? Thanks Take good care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Apple Double Format "Dot Underscore" files [was Re: NFB Newsline files and the mac]
HI Robert, Scott, and Others, >> Robert Carter wrote: >>> >>> I am curious if anybody can explain this. I have been going to the >>> Nfb Newsline Online site and having my Newspaper emailed to me. The >>> Newspaper consists of 4 DAISY files. If I copy and paste these files >>> onto an SAID card using my iMac, I end up with 8 files in the folder >>> which seem to be two duplicates of each of the original 4 files. >>> Does anybody understand why this happens? I am just curious about >>> it. >> and Scott asked: > > Not got a sollution, more of a question. I think I've seen the same > behaviour you described. Next time it happens, can you check the file > sizes of both copies you get? For me, it was always that one was the > full size of the file, the other would be tiny like 32kb or something. I think what you're seeing is something called "Apple Double format", and it occurs when you do a copy and paste to a FAT32 formatted device like your SAID card or a USB memory stick (among other circumstances). The set of files which Scott mentions as being 32kb in size will have names that are preceded by a period and then an underline character followed by the regular file name, and are referred to as "dot underscore" files. (You'll have to read the filenames by character to hear the prefix characters with VoiceOver.) Basically, Apple's file system keeps track of two kinds of information -- a data fork and a resource fork. You know that when you open files on the Mac you can specify which application is used on a per file basis. Mp3 files can be played with VLC, QuickTime, iTunes, Amadeus Pro, etc. That kind of data (and other information about the file) is stored in the resource fork. It doesn't get used when you transfer files from a Mac to Windows, but it does have information if you were to transfer the files (say, on a USB memory key) to another Mac. This is described in Apple's Knowledge Base: http://support.apple.com/kb/TA20578 (Apple Double Format Creates File Name With the Prefix '._') You can safely delete the small dot underscore files. Under Leopard, there's a "dot_clean" command available from terminal that will do this. Here's the description of the dot_clean man page: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man1/dot_clean.1.html With your SAID card mounted, launch a Terminal session (e.g. from Finder use Command-Shift-U then press "t e" to go to "Terminal" and Command-Down Arrow to open). Type a command like: dot_clean /Volumes/SAID/ where you substitute the actual path to your mounted SAID card as the argument for dot_clean (and press enter after you type the command). You can find the device in your Finder sidebar and use the Get Info window (Command-I) to find the path to mounted device. Remember to close the Get Info window with Command-W when you're done. There are commercial solutions GUI-based solutions like BlueHarvest, too. http://zeroonetwenty.com/blueharvest/ Incidentally, this is also an issue for people trying to move files between the Mac and linux via tar savesets. You can disable the extended attributes from the bash shell in terminal with: export COPY_EXTENDED_ATTRIBUTES_DISABLE=true to avoid including created dot underscore files, or you can just transfer the files via FTP or SFTP. HTH Cheers, Esther --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Apple Double Format "Dot Underscore" files [was Re: NFB Newsline files and the mac]
Thanks Esther, As always you answered all of my questions. Robert Carter - Original Message - From: Esther To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, Jul 20, 2009 11:57:54 Subject: Apple Double Format "Dot Underscore" files [was Re: NFB Newsline files and the mac] > > > > HI Robert, Scott, and Others, > > >ar Robert Carter wrote: > >>> > >>> I am curious if anybody can explain this. I have been going to the > >>> Nfb Newsline Online site and having my Newspaper emailed to me. The > >>> Newspaper consists of 4 DAISY files. If I copy and paste these files > >>> onto an SAID card using my iMac, I end up with 8 files in the folder > >>> which seem to be two duplicates of each of the original 4 files. > >>> Does anybody understand why this happens? I am just curious about > >>> it. > >ar > > > and Scott asked: > > > > Not got a sollution, more of a question. I think I've seen the same > > behaviour you described. Next time it happens, can you check the file > > sizes of both copies you get? For me, it was always that one was the > > full size of the file, the other would be tiny like 32kb or something. > > I think what you're seeing is something called "Apple Double format", > and it occurs when you do a copy and paste to a FAT32 formatted device > like your SAID card or a USB memory stick (among other > circumstances). The set of files which Scott mentions as being 32kb > in size will have names that are preceded by a period and then an > underline character followed by the regular file name, and are > referred to as "dot underscore" files. (You'll have to read the > filenames by character to hear the prefix characters with VoiceOver.) > Basically, Apple's file system keeps track of two kinds of information > -- a data fork and a resource fork. You know that when you open files > on the Mac you can specify which application is used on a per file > basis. Mp3 files can be played with VLC, QuickTime, iTunes, Amadeus > Pro, etc. That kind of data (and other information about the file) is > stored in the resource fork. It doesn't get used when you transfer > files from a Mac to Windows, but it does have information if you were > to transfer the files (say, on a USB memory key) to another Mac. This > is described in Apple's Knowledge Base: > > http://support.apple.com/kb/TA20578 > (Apple Double Format Creates File Name With the Prefix 'dis_') > > You can safely delete the small dot underscore files. Under Leopard, > there's a "dot_clean" command available from terminal that will do > this. Here's the description of the dot_clean man page: > http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man1/dot_clean.1.html > With your SAID card mounted, launch a Terminal session (e.g. from > Finder use Command-Shift-U then press "t e" to go to "Terminal" and > Command-Down Arrow to open). > Type a command like: > dot_clean /Volumes/SD/ > where you substitute the actual path to your mounted SAID card as the > argument for dot_clean (and press enter after you type the command). > You can find the device in your Finder sidebar and use the Get Info > window (Command-I) to find the path to mounted device. Remember to > close the Get Info window with Command-W when you're done. > There are commercial solutions GUI-based solutions like BlueHarvest, > too. > http://zeroonetwenty.com/blueharvest/ > Incidentally, this is also an issue for people trying to move files > between the Mac and linux via tar savesets. You can disable the > extended attributes from the bash shell in terminal with: > export COPY_EXTENDED_ATTRIBUTES_DISABLE=TRUE > to avoid including created dot underscore files, or you can just > transfer the files via FTP or SFTP. > > HTH > Cheers, > Esther > > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en > com~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IPhone accessibility
Hello Simon and all: I want to ask you what you mean by using it on the go. I am asking because unless there is something I am missing ... and there may be ... the iphone is quite usable. That does not mean you have to use it ... it just means that your usability concerns may be misplaced. On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:13 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > Thanks yes I understand all your pro’s and cons. > > Yeah I’ve got msp from a windows mobile device that I gave up > around a year ago. And now use talks on my n82. > It’s a number of different things that I’m hesitating over, such > as size and useability while on the go that are some of the things > that are important. > The n82 I can use on the go the IPhone I’m guessing I wont be > able to. > > But still a few other thigns to think about before the buy or not! > > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > ] On Behalf Of patrickneazer > Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 10:34 p.m. > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility > > Hello Simon and all: > > One question you might want to consider is the issue of > expandability. I am a user of a nokia 6650 with Mobile Speak and I > love it. However, the number of applications that will work with it > is not as robust as the Iphone. Second, while both my Mobile Speak > and voiceover upgrades are free, the method of upgrading is quite > different. I do not know about talks because I have never used it. > However, if it is anything like Mobile Speak I cannot upgrade it > independently. The only reason I make a point of this is the ability > of being able to keep up with the latest updates to a system rather > than being one step behind. Furthermore, does it make sense to have > to pay a transfer cost if you either lose your phone or decide you > want or need a new one. In the case of Mobile Speak, if you change > phones for whatever reason there is a transfer cost. I do not know > how it works with Talks. If I want another Iphone I just get another > Iphone without incurring any additional costs for things beyond my > control which may have resulted in the phone's loss or just for the > freedom of wanting something different. > > There are a few more reasons I can mention though I will point out > only one more ... with this arrangement of the Iphone and AT&T, the > entire customer service flow is for the first time under one roof. > If I have a problem with the Iphone I am able to take it to AT&T and > they can be of assistance without necessarily farming it out to > someone else and if they do farm it out to someone else ... that > would be Apple and they would know that I am on the way (smile). > With Mobile Speak it could be a mobile speak issue which I would > have to go to Code Factory, it could be a phone problem where Nokia > would have to be called in, it could be a billing problem where the > Phone company would have to be tapped and, if I had a problem with > the actual purchase of Mobile Speak and I did not purchase it from > Code Factory I then would have to deal with AT&T's office of > national disability concerns which is a completely separate > operation from AT&T. I like the one umbrella that the Iphone has the > potential to provide. I have both and love both and see the > advantages to each. > > Just my two cents contributed to the discussion. No matter what your > final conclusion, it will be a good one. > > Take good care. > On Jul 19, 2009, at 4:35 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > > > Yeah, I had a sit down and play with the I phone for about an hour > today and > I gotta admit, the biggest problem is familiarity. > I'm so use to the Nokia and talks interface that the IPhones system > is not > as efficient yet as I would have hoped. > > However I gotta admit that I am thinking of reasons why I shouldn't > change > to one at this point, and the only reason so far is that my n82 does > everything that the iphone does and that I need it to. > > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kaare dehard > Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:29 a.m. > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility > > > Honestly given what I have heard/read, because this interface is so > very different from what we have grown accustomed to, it's probably > tough to get fixed on it right away. it's probably a let's forget > about the old wisdom or at least set it aside while looking in to this > and start from the ground. So, in a nutshell this is more like a slow > growth to understanding product rather than something that can be > quickly affixed. > On 18-Jul-09, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are > totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. > > The device to
Re: IPhone accessibility
Hello Simon and all: I am playing catch up in email so if this has already been answered ... forgive me. The newest message appears at the bottom ... and ... quite honestly I have not checked if there is a setting to alter this. however, presuming there is not, it is quite easy to get to the bottom of the thread in order to enter a new reply. On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > So does a new message come first or do you have to scroll down to > find it. > I don’t mind the nokia texting method but I’m always open to > change. > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > ] On Behalf Of patrickneazer > Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 10:39 p.m. > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility > > Hello Simon and all: > > I will refrain from answering the question pertaining to battery > life because that is a variable thing depending upon usage. I will > leave that to others (smile). > > However, in regard to messaging one of the things I like about the > iphone as opposed to my Nokia is that I can follow the thread of a > message all at once rather than open multiple messages to keep track > of a message. That in my opinion is a nice feature. So, If I wanted > milk, bread, and gatorade I can track the whole back and forth > texting about the shopping trip to narrow down why mash potatoes > came threw the door when I did not know they were coming ... LOL. I > know that has never happened to anyone ... LOL > On Jul 19, 2009, at 4:41 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > > > Thanks peggy, > > I'm now wondering what sort of battery life people get from the > IPhone when > using Voice over!? > How much more of a strain on the devices battery does vo put? > > also, no one has said anything about using text / sms messaging on the > device either. > > > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peggy Fleischer > Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 8:37 a.m. > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: IPhone accessibility > > > Hi: > > I'm totally blind and use the Iphone 3gs. I use the mail, the phone, > the notes and the voice recorder. I love the Ipod and reading books > from audible and playing games when sitting around for a few minutes. > I find it easier to use twitter and facebook with my phone than with > my computer. I even store my favorite recipes on my phone. > > Today I went into a store to shop for a purse. I found one I liked but > didn't like the price so I typed the name of the purse in the notes > on my phone and came home to find it at a better price on line. I also > accessed my grocery list I had stored on the phone. > > My newspaper is also accessed from my phone. wonderful device and not > just for the partially sighted. > > Peggy Fleischer > peggyfleisc...@bellsouth.net > > Jude 1:24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to > present you > faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy, > 1:25 To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, > Dominion > and power, Both now and forever. Amen. > > > On Jul 18, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > Just wondering how many of you that are now using the Ipone 3gs, are > totally blind rather than the partially / Visually impaired users. > > The device to me sounds more like it's for a VI person than a > totally blind > person. > > I'm total and I'm trying to compare this for useage / accessibility > against > my Nokia s60 device. > And as I've only had a very quick play with the IPhone 3gs I can't > say I'm > fixed on it yet. > And I'm keen to hear how the totally blind users are getting on with > it. > > Cheers > > Simonf. > > > > > > > > > > > Take good care and I wish you enough. > > Love > > Me > > > > > > Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Is it possible to do Audio Editing on Mac OS X with VO?
There's also sound studio. Of all the audio editors on the Mac, its interface is probably most similar to Sound Forge. However, that being said, I'm not sure I'd recommend buying it. It hasn't been updated in at least a year. Plus it is more expensive then amadeus Pro. Darcy That being said, On 20-Jul-09, at 12:53 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: > > James, > > There are a miriad of options for audio editing on mac, with many of > them being superior to Sound Forge. Finding a stable powerful and > accessible one seems to be the catch. > > Since you mentioned Sound Forge my guess is you're after 2 track > editing over the ability to multitrack. > > Fission from Rogue Amoeba is good for your basic stuff although not > free if memory serves, Amadeus Pro gets a bit more in depth but also a > bit more expensive, and Audacity is probably the most developed free > app offering some accessibility that I know of. > > hth > Scott > > On 7/20/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> It is possible. I've not done it, so I'd wait for others to chime in, >> but the quick anser is that it is possible. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 20-Jul-09, at 9:11 AM, James & Nash wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> Is it possible to do audio editing on the Mac using Voice Over? Is >>> it as >>> good as the results you'd get on the Windows side with say Sound >>> Forge? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Take good care >>> >>> James >>> >>> >> >> >>> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: archive and install
ALEX, I CAN'T GUESS WHAT THEY WILL OR WILL NOT DO, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE QUITE A SURPRISE IF THEY DO NOT OFFER THAT AS AN OPTION. It's one of those options I think folk find useful even if it does gobble some drive space. I like the migration option personally, but I have used the archive and reinstall route before. Well until it comes out, not much point worrying I guess. On Jul 20, 2009, at 11:34 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > What I mean is no one knows if Apple will even provide such an option > in SL. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 20-Jul-09, at 3:42 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> >> Yes ALex there is no reason why an archive and install would behave >> any differently. Of course always having a backup is a must because >> anything can go wrong. >> On Jul 20, 2009, at 3:37 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> No one knows for sure, but as long as you select "Keep user data" >>> and >>> "Keep Network settings" everything should be as you left it before >>> doing the archive and insall. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> On 20-Jul-09, at 12:08 AM, william lomas wrote: >>> hi when snowleopard is released, if I archive and install will that migrate my current home folder across? Will > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Still no luck with unziping bookshare files
On Jul 19, 2009, at 8:32 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: > > You need to get a copy of Stuffit Expander it is free and will ask for > the password. > Where do I find this file at? Matthew > > Gregory Kearney > Manager - Accessible Media > Association for the Blind of Western Australia > 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101 > Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia > > Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202 > Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America) > Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696 > Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only) > Email: gkear...@gmail.com > > On Jul 19, 2009, at 1:10 AM, matthew T dyer wrote: > >> >> Hi all. I went into the prefrences and made a changes as whare to >> the >> files and still no luck will keep playing around with it but if there >> are any ideas on how to get around this thanks. I know that in >> windows if unziping something and it is password protected it would >> ask you for the password. >> >> Matthew >> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: safari 4.0.2 seems to get stuck
Hi, I do not have any problem with voiceover getting stuck, but on some sites such as www.livejournal.com fo9r example, safary seems to lovk up sometimes not sure why. Matthew On Jul 19, 2009, at 11:29 PM, John J Herzog wrote: > > Hi listers, > Do any of you have this problem? I recently downloaded safari 4.0.2 on > my mac running Leopard. Since the update, voiceover no longer moves > to the HTML content of many pages even when they're done loading. > Worse yet is that sometimes, I do not see the area that says HTML > content after some sites are done loading. Pages may load, but > voiceover shows me the buttons at the top of the screen, and the > google search box at the bottom. The only way I can get to the content > of pages is to hit tab through all the buttons until I reach the first > link. After this, voiceover seems to allow me to navigate the page as > normal. > Did something go wrong during my update, or are others experiencing > these issues? > > Thanks, > > John > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: NFB Newsline files and the mac
Robert, those are a part of the Mac file system and I think they refer to those as resource forks. I can't recall because it has been a while, but although annoying, they can be deleted and are created only when you copy or delete files from the card. I thought there is a command line that can be done via the Terminal, which would prevent future occurrences of this, but I'd have to really dig around for that info. SOmeone might be able to provide a better answer, but that is what I recall at the minute. On Jul 20, 2009, at 1:24 PM, Robert Carter wrote: > > I will check the file sizes but I believe you are correct that one > of the duplicate files was very small in size. I just don't > understand why the mac is creating these small files with the same > names as the original files. > > Robert Carter > > - Original Message - > From: Scott Chesworth > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Date: Monday, Jul 20, 2009 9:39:36 > Subject: Re: NFB Newsline files and the mac > >> >> >> >> Hi Robert, >> >> Not got a sollution, more of a question. I think I've seen the same >> behaviour you described. Next time it happens, can you check the >> file >> sizes of both copies you get? For me, it was always that one was the >> full size of the file, the other would be tiny like 32kb or >> something. >> >> Far from resolving it, but at least if we're seeing the same >> behaviour >> it might give the cleverer folks on here a clue as to why it's >> happening. >> >> Scott >> >> On 7/20/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> It may sound silly, but ruling out all possibilities, is there a >>> chance you are pasting twice. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> On 20-Jul-09, at 5:57 AM, Robert Carter wrote: >>> >>> ar >>> ar Hi, >>> ar >>> ar I am curious if anybody can explain this. I have been going to >>> the >>> ar Nfb Newsline Online site and having my Newspaper emailed to me. >>> The >>> ar Newspaper consists of 4 DAISY files. If I copy and paste these >>> files >>> ar onto an SAID card using my iMac, I end up with 8 files in the >>> folder >>> ar which seem to be two duplicates of each of the original 4 files. >>> ar Does anybody understand why this happens? I am just curious >>> about it. >>> ar >>> ar Thanks, >>> ar >>> ar Robert Carter >>> ar >>> ar > >>> >>> >>> >> >> > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Apple Double Format "Dot Underscore" files [was Re: NFB Newsline files and the mac]
Esther, as usual, you came through once again. That is what I was trying to remember, but couldn't recall if it was resource fork or if there was also a data fork as well. Thanks for the info again. On Jul 20, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Esther wrote: > > HI Robert, Scott, and Others, > >>> Robert Carter wrote: I am curious if anybody can explain this. I have been going to the Nfb Newsline Online site and having my Newspaper emailed to me. The Newspaper consists of 4 DAISY files. If I copy and paste these files onto an SAID card using my iMac, I end up with 8 files in the folder which seem to be two duplicates of each of the original 4 files. Does anybody understand why this happens? I am just curious about it. >>> > > > and Scott asked: >> >> Not got a sollution, more of a question. I think I've seen the same >> behaviour you described. Next time it happens, can you check the >> file >> sizes of both copies you get? For me, it was always that one was the >> full size of the file, the other would be tiny like 32kb or >> something. > > I think what you're seeing is something called "Apple Double format", > and it occurs when you do a copy and paste to a FAT32 formatted device > like your SAID card or a USB memory stick (among other > circumstances). The set of files which Scott mentions as being 32kb > in size will have names that are preceded by a period and then an > underline character followed by the regular file name, and are > referred to as "dot underscore" files. (You'll have to read the > filenames by character to hear the prefix characters with VoiceOver.) > Basically, Apple's file system keeps track of two kinds of information > -- a data fork and a resource fork. You know that when you open > files > on the Mac you can specify which application is used on a per file > basis. Mp3 files can be played with VLC, QuickTime, iTunes, Amadeus > Pro, etc. That kind of data (and other information about the file) is > stored in the resource fork. It doesn't get used when you transfer > files from a Mac to Windows, but it does have information if you were > to transfer the files (say, on a USB memory key) to another Mac. This > is described in Apple's Knowledge Base: > > http://support.apple.com/kb/TA20578 > (Apple Double Format Creates File Name With the Prefix '._') > > You can safely delete the small dot underscore files. Under Leopard, > there's a "dot_clean" command available from terminal that will do > this. Here's the description of the dot_clean man page: > http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man1/dot_clean.1.html > With your SAID card mounted, launch a Terminal session (e.g. from > Finder use Command-Shift-U then press "t e" to go to "Terminal" and > Command-Down Arrow to open). > Type a command like: > dot_clean /Volumes/SAID/ > where you substitute the actual path to your mounted SAID card as the > argument for dot_clean (and press enter after you type the command). > You can find the device in your Finder sidebar and use the Get Info > window (Command-I) to find the path to mounted device. Remember to > close the Get Info window with Command-W when you're done. > There are commercial solutions GUI-based solutions like BlueHarvest, > too. > http://zeroonetwenty.com/blueharvest/ > Incidentally, this is also an issue for people trying to move files > between the Mac and linux via tar savesets. You can disable the > extended attributes from the bash shell in terminal with: > export COPY_EXTENDED_ATTRIBUTES_DISABLE=true > to avoid including created dot underscore files, or you can just > transfer the files via FTP or SFTP. > > HTH > Cheers, > Esther > > > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Typing on the IPhone and using its GPS
I've heard that once people get good at it you hold a key on the left side of the virtual keyboard and tap with a finger on the right hand or vice versa. For now I end up hunting with one finger and tapping with another for every key. Like VO on the Mac I'm finding many iPhone apps are fairly accessible out of the box but with unlabeled buttons or form fields here and there. Pleasantly surprising since many of the apps predate VO on the iPhone. CB Simon Fogarty wrote: > I haven't tried the gps but the typing feature got me for a start. > You move / put one finger on the character you want and then tap the screen > with another and the character is typed to the screen. > > I found it really easy after got the fingers working together. > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James & Nash > Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:28 a.m. > To: Mac visionaries > Subject: Typing on the IPhone and using its GPS > > > Hi everyone, > > How do the blind users on this list find typing on the IPhone when they > can't see the screen? How is it achieved? > > Also, how are IPhone users finding the GPS? Is it accurate? Is it usable? > > Thank you for any info. > > Take care > > James > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Typing on the IPhone and using its GPS
Is your typing slower on the Iphone than on the mac? It seems like it would be since you're just using two fingers. On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: > > I've heard that once people get good at it you hold a key on the left > side of the virtual keyboard and tap with a finger on the right hand > or > vice versa. For now I end up hunting with one finger and tapping with > another for every key. Like VO on the Mac I'm finding many iPhone apps > are fairly accessible out of the box but with unlabeled buttons or > form > fields here and there. Pleasantly surprising since many of the apps > predate VO on the iPhone. > > CB > > Simon Fogarty wrote: >> I haven't tried the gps but the typing feature got me for a start. >> You move / put one finger on the character you want and then tap >> the screen >> with another and the character is typed to the screen. >> >> I found it really easy after got the fingers working together. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James & Nash >> Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:28 a.m. >> To: Mac visionaries >> Subject: Typing on the IPhone and using its GPS >> >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> How do the blind users on this list find typing on the IPhone when >> they >> can't see the screen? How is it achieved? >> >> Also, how are IPhone users finding the GPS? Is it accurate? Is it >> usable? >> >> Thank you for any info. >> >> Take care >> >> James >> >> >> >> >>> >> > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Mac-cessibility Round Table Podcast #4 - Badum Ching! has been posted
In episode #4 of the Mac-cessibility Round Table Podcast, knights Darcy Burnard, Holly Anderson, Cara Quinn, and Josh de Lioncourt discuss our impressions of the iPhone 3GS after a few weeks, how VoiceOver for the iPhone has been accepted by the visually impaired community, third-party applications for the iPhone, what Apple has revealed about gestures in Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, Safari 4.0.2, the National Federation for the Blind’s reaction to criticism of their VoiceOver review, and more. You can find the podcast in the iTunes Store, or visit http://www.lioncourt.com Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Is it possible to do Audio Editing on Mac OS X with VO?
it's $40 us. On 20-Jul-09, at 1:57 PM, Jed Barton wrote: > wow, that's awesome. > Keep me posted on how it works. I'd be curious to hear more about it. > How much is the program? > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > ] On Behalf Of Josh de Lioncourt > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 1:23 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Is it possible to do Audio Editing on Mac OS X with VO? > > > Yes, Amadeus Pro is a multi-track editor. :) As I said, I'm still > learning how to use it. > > > Josh de Lioncourt > …my other mail provider is an owl… > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > Music: http://stage19music.com > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > On Jul 20, 2009, at 9:36 AM, Jed Barton wrote: > >> Hey Josh, is this a true multitrack editer, or just 2 tracks? >> Can you voerlap stuff? >> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> ] On Behalf Of Josh de Lioncourt >> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 12:23 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Is it possible to do Audio Editing on Mac OS X with VO? >> >> >> yes, it's possible. The program of choice seems to be Amadeus Pro, >> though there are other options, depending on your needs. I'm only >> just starting out with Amadeus, so can't offer too much there, but >> having used Sound Forge for years, Amadeus is very different and >> takes some getting used to. That being said, there are some >> concepts in Amadeus that I like better, and also some from Sound >> Forge that I miss. My opinion may change as I become more familiar >> with Amadeus, however. >> >> >> Josh de Lioncourt >> …my other mail provider is an owl… >> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt >> Music: http://stage19music.com >> Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com >> Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com >> GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt >> >> On Jul 20, 2009, at 9:11 AM, James & Nash wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> Is it possible to do audio editing on the Mac using Voice Over? Is >>> it as >>> good as the results you'd get on the Windows side with say Sound >>> Forge? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Take good care >>> >>> James >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Still no luck with unziping bookshare files
Actually, I recommend the UNarchiver. It is listed on BookShare's site in the Tools section, but here's the direct link: http://wakaba.c3.cx/s/apps/unarchiver.html Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 20, 2009, at 12:14 PM, matthew T dyer wrote: > > > On Jul 19, 2009, at 8:32 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: > >> >> You need to get a copy of Stuffit Expander it is free and will ask >> for >> the password. >> Where do I find this file at? > > Matthew > > >> >> Gregory Kearney >> Manager - Accessible Media >> Association for the Blind of Western Australia >> 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101 >> Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia >> >> Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202 >> Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America) >> Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696 >> Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only) >> Email: gkear...@gmail.com >> >> On Jul 19, 2009, at 1:10 AM, matthew T dyer wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi all. I went into the prefrences and made a changes as whare to >>> the >>> files and still no luck will keep playing around with it but if >>> there >>> are any ideas on how to get around this thanks. I know that in >>> windows if unziping something and it is password protected it would >>> ask you for the password. >>> >>> Matthew >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Fwd: Apple looking to improve GPS route-planning estimates
Folks, there has ben a lot of questions and so forth on GPS and the iPhone. I thought you all would find this article of interest perhaps. Begin forwarded message: > Date: July 20, 2009 4:20:00 PM EDT > Subject: Apple looking to improve GPS route-planning estimates > Source: AppleInsider > > A new patent application from Apple suggests the company could be > working on proprietary global positioning system software that would > calculate road trip times and recommend routes, based on real-time > data collected from numerous users, and uploaded to a centralized > server. > Read more… > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
assigning songs to playlists in Itunes
If I assign a bunch of songs to a playlist, and later delete the playlist, do the songs get deleted, or do they go back onto their original playlist? Silly question, but safer to ask first then whine later. Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: assigning songs to playlists in Itunes
Hi, Mark, There is no original playlist. If you mean the Music playlist where all teh songs are, they never leave it. They simply have aliases in the playlists that point to them. The only thing that gets deleted when you delete a playlist is the alias. However, deleting form the Music Playlist will delete them. However, unless you disabled itunes warnings, it will ask you first. Regards, Alex, On 20-Jul-09, at 5:16 PM, Mark Baxter wrote: > > If I assign a bunch of songs to a playlist, and later delete the > playlist, do the songs get deleted, or do they go back onto their > original playlist? Silly question, but safer to ask first then whine > later. > > > Mark BurningHawk > > Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com > My home page: > http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: assigning songs to playlists in Itunes
Exactly; thanks for confirming what I assumed to be the case. :) Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
introduction and a question
Hello, Ive been teaching and writing about computers and related technologies for several years. I've been interested in the Mac since I heard the Main Menu show describing access to Tiger, and I finally bought a Mac about a month ago. I've had the inevitable moments of frustration that go along with learning anything new, but overall, I'm enjoying the Mac so far. I'm particularly grateful for Mike Arrigo's excellent podcast demonstrations and David Pogue's Switching to the Mac: The Missing Manual. I have a few questions, though, and I hope to be able to help others as I learn more. My most pressing question at the moment involves running Windows on my Mac, something necessary for my job. I'm using Parallels because I didn't know it was inaccessible until after I bought it. My husband installed the Windows virtual machine, we got all the high priority updates, and it's basically working. However, when we tried to install JAWS, Windows attempted to restart during the installation and didn't come up again. The only way we could get it to restart was to restore to a point before we started installing JAWS. What do I need to do before installing JAWS? I assume some driver is required, but don't know what it is. Thanks for any help. Best, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: introduction and a question
Hi, Anna, I'm sorry to hear that you have been hit by the same malidy that struck me when I first switched. Parralels is indeed inaccessible. I recommend VMWare Fusion for $89 or if you're a student $49. Virtualbox is free for non-comercial use and is $30/year for comercial use. Virtualbox is not very accessible, but rather the Command-Line is the easier way out on that one. The reason Parallels is not working with JAWS is the Video Intercept Manager does not play nicely. If nothing else, use Window-Eyes or NVDA. If I may ask, what do you need Windows for. I understand you need it for our job, but what exactly are you doing with it. It is possible you can do this on your Mac without the headache of Windows. Regards, Alex, On 20-Jul-09, at 7:24 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: > > Hello, > > Ive been teaching and writing about computers and related technologies > for several years. I've been interested in the Mac since I heard the > Main Menu show describing access to Tiger, and I finally bought a Mac > about a month ago. I've had the inevitable moments of frustration that > go along with learning anything new, but overall, I'm enjoying the Mac > so far. I'm particularly grateful for Mike Arrigo's excellent podcast > demonstrations and David Pogue's Switching to the Mac: The Missing > Manual. I have a few questions, though, and I hope to be able to help > others as I learn more. > > My most pressing question at the moment involves running Windows on my > Mac, something necessary for my job. I'm using Parallels because I > didn't know it was inaccessible until after I bought it. My husband > installed the Windows virtual machine, we got all the high priority > updates, and it's basically working. However, when we tried to install > JAWS, Windows attempted to restart during the installation and didn't > come up again. The only way we could get it to restart was to restore > to a point before we started installing JAWS. What do I need to do > before installing JAWS? I assume some driver is required, but don't > know what it is. Thanks for any help. > > Best, > Anna > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Optimizing terminal accessibility
Hi, I played with the Mac terminal last year and got some help from people here re its accessibility. I'm now using my Mac a lot more and want to get the most out of the terminal so am requesting wisdom from others out there. >From the command line I really need the ability to do development locally and connect to remote machines via ssh. I've found a few issues: 1. Any command that generates multi-line output seems to be truncated by the prompt or new line announcement. Good example is "java -version". I can improve this by setting a much shorter prompt in my shell but it's still very hit and miss. Is there any way to configure things to more reliably read new information? I've tried messing around with cursor and terminal types with no success that I can really point to. 2. Is there any way to review prior text on the screen or is interacting with the scroll area and moving the VO cursor up the way to do that? 3. When connecting to remote machines -- and to a lesser degree locally -- I need access to some ncurses applications but the cursor tracking with VO seems very unpredictable. An example would be to open "lynx -show_cursor" on the remote box and try and say navigate around the CNN homepage. Or use something like pine where cursoring around changes text highlights. Anyone got advice as to how I can make all this work better for me? Many thanks, Garry -- Garry Turkington garry.turking...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: introduction and a question
Hi alex, Thanks for your note. The main reason I need Windows is that I write computer tutorials for National Braille Press. Since a lot of blind people still use Windows, I have to include steps for accomplishing things in Windows, and the only way I can be sure those steps are correct is if I follow them myself. I also use programs like Kurzweil 1000, and I've been testing Brian Hartgen's JAWS scripts for iTunes, called J-Tunes, and I want to be able to continue helping him. So I need to be able to use Windows and JAWS. So there really is no way to run JAWS with Parallels? Thanks, Anna On Jul 20, 2009, at 9:35 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > Anna, > > I'm sorry to hear that you have been hit by the same malidy that > struck me when I first switched. Parralels is indeed inaccessible. I > recommend VMWare Fusion for $89 or if you're a student $49. Virtualbox > is free for non-comercial use and is $30/year for comercial use. > Virtualbox is not very accessible, but rather the Command-Line is the > easier way out on that one. > > The reason Parallels is not working with JAWS is the Video Intercept > Manager does not play nicely. If nothing else, use Window-Eyes or > NVDA. > > If I may ask, what do you need Windows for. I understand you need it > for our job, but what exactly are you doing with it. It is possible > you can do this on your Mac without the headache of Windows. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 20-Jul-09, at 7:24 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: > >> >> Hello, >> >> I've been teaching and writing about computers and related >> technologies >> for several years. I've been interested in the Mac since I heard the >> Main Menu show describing access to Tiger, and I finally bought a Mac >> about a month ago. I've had the inevitable moments of frustration >> that >> go along with learning anything new, but overall, I'm enjoying the >> Mac >> so far. I'm particularly grateful for Mike Arrigo's excellent podcast >> demonstrations and David Pogue's Switching to the Mac: The Missing >> Manual. I have a few questions, though, and I hope to be able to help >> others as I learn more. >> >> My most pressing question at the moment involves running Windows on >> my >> Mac, something necessary for my job. I'm using Parallels because I >> didn't know it was inaccessible until after I bought it. My husband >> installed the Windows virtual machine, we got all the high priority >> updates, and it's basically working. However, when we tried to >> install >> JAWS, Windows attempted to restart during the installation and didn't >> come up again. The only way we could get it to restart was to restore >> to a point before we started installing JAWS. What do I need to do >> before installing JAWS? I assume some driver is required, but don't >> know what it is. Thanks for any help. >> >> Best, >> Anna >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: introduction and a question
Hello Anna, Welcome to the list. I'm not sure that there are many list member with current experience running Parallels, and I recall from earlier discussions that users found problems with the Video intercept handling, at least in earlier versions of Parallels, that were not present in other virtualizations. A quick search of the archives brought up this comment, for example: http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss%40macvisionaries.com/msg36706.html (Parallels and JAWS Update) I noticed there have been some updates to Parallels and to Jaws recently so I thought I'd give it another whirl. Pretty much the same problem persists where the Jaws video intercept hoses the video driver in Parallels. VMWare and Sun's Virtual Box do not seem to have this issue. That was quite a while ago, but the most recent comments I've heard about Parallels as of a month ago from another list indicate that there are still serious accessibility problems, so most users seem to have opted either for installing Bootcamp or using VMWare's Fusion. The closest discussion suggestion I've heard that might help your case is to try installing Window Eyes in the event that this correctly handles the installation of the Video Intercept driver. See for example: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg02509.html I don't have any experience with this myself, but others may be able to provide suggestions if you specify the machine you're using and the version of JAWS. Hope your questions can be answered. I've enjoyed reading some of your posts on the portable-player list. Cheers, Esther --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: safari 4.0.2 seems to get stuck
Does anyone know if the issue where vo would skip text and other things on pages has been resolved? Last time I used it which was before my mac mini was fried, I noticed that vo would skip sometimes emportant text on pages as if it was not there. For example on my school online class room page, it would not read course names or assignment names, as if there were no links actually there. Testing it on a windows machine, all my readers worked fine on there. Just was wondering if this was fixed so I could more effectively use my macbook pro when I get it in September. Mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: introduction and a question
Hi, No problems. For those little chors as I call them, use Virtualbox and try to get NBP to pay for it if you can't afford it or VMWare Fusion. It would be nice to see NBP do Mac tutorials. Maybe you can suggest this. Regards, Alex, On 20-Jul-09, at 8:17 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: > > Hi alex, > > Thanks for your note. The main reason I > need Windows is that I write computer tutorials for National Braille > Press. Since a lot of blind people still use Windows, I have to > include steps for accomplishing things in Windows, and the only way I > can be sure those steps are correct is if I follow them myself. I also > use programs like Kurzweil 1000, and I've been testing Brian Hartgen's > JAWS scripts for iTunes, called J-Tunes, and I want to be able to > continue helping him. So I need to be able to use Windows and JAWS. > > So there really is no way to run JAWS with Parallels? > > Thanks, > Anna > > > On Jul 20, 2009, at 9:35 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> Anna, >> >> I'm sorry to hear that you have been hit by the same malidy that >> struck me when I first switched. Parralels is indeed inaccessible. I >> recommend VMWare Fusion for $89 or if you're a student $49. >> Virtualbox >> is free for non-comercial use and is $30/year for comercial use. >> Virtualbox is not very accessible, but rather the Command-Line is the >> easier way out on that one. >> >> The reason Parallels is not working with JAWS is the Video Intercept >> Manager does not play nicely. If nothing else, use Window-Eyes or >> NVDA. >> >> If I may ask, what do you need Windows for. I understand you need it >> for our job, but what exactly are you doing with it. It is possible >> you can do this on your Mac without the headache of Windows. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 20-Jul-09, at 7:24 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: >> >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I've been teaching and writing about computers and related >>> technologies >>> for several years. I've been interested in the Mac since I heard the >>> Main Menu show describing access to Tiger, and I finally bought a >>> Mac >>> about a month ago. I've had the inevitable moments of frustration >>> that >>> go along with learning anything new, but overall, I'm enjoying the >>> Mac >>> so far. I'm particularly grateful for Mike Arrigo's excellent >>> podcast >>> demonstrations and David Pogue's Switching to the Mac: The Missing >>> Manual. I have a few questions, though, and I hope to be able to >>> help >>> others as I learn more. >>> >>> My most pressing question at the moment involves running Windows on >>> my >>> Mac, something necessary for my job. I'm using Parallels because I >>> didn't know it was inaccessible until after I bought it. My husband >>> installed the Windows virtual machine, we got all the high priority >>> updates, and it's basically working. However, when we tried to >>> install >>> JAWS, Windows attempted to restart during the installation and >>> didn't >>> come up again. The only way we could get it to restart was to >>> restore >>> to a point before we started installing JAWS. What do I need to do >>> before installing JAWS? I assume some driver is required, but don't >>> know what it is. Thanks for any help. >>> >>> Best, >>> Anna >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: introduction and a question
Hi Esther and all, Thanks so much for your post. I tried installing Window-Eyes, and it almost works. When I start Windows, Window-Eyes functions. I can open the Start menu and browse the Web with Internet Explorer. I can switch to Finder, change VoiceOver preferences, and then switch back to Windows. All is fine until I press the VO keys while on the Windows side. Even if I press VO-Tab and then press those keys, the Windows side becomes inoperable. I can occasionally hear window-Eyes if I switch to the right place, but otherwise all I get is the Parallels toolbar for shutting down or starting Windows. Another irritating thing, even when Windows is running okay, is that VoiceOver says, "New window" every time a new window opens. I don't see anything in VoiceOver's verbosity settings that would make it stop doing this. So my question at this point is whether these problems are Parallels issues or general problems you encounter when running Windows on a Mac. If the latter, is there a work-around? Thanks so much, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Optimizing terminal accessibility
Hi, Gary, I use it all day with varied success. Nano is a new eddition to my toolbox and it seems to have a few qwerks, but nothing major. I also used to use VIM, but found it crashed a lot with VO. You are correct that interacting and moving the VO cursor is the only way to read prior text. As far as interuptions, you should pipe the contents to a file and read it from teh file instead. What knd of development are you doing? Regards, Alex, On 20-Jul-09, at 8:09 PM, Garry Turkington wrote: > > Hi, > > I played with the Mac terminal last year and got some help from people > here re its accessibility. I'm now using my Mac a lot more and want > to > get the most out of the terminal so am requesting wisdom from others > out > there. > > From the command line I really need the ability to do development > locally > and connect to remote machines via ssh. I've found a few issues: > > 1. Any command that generates multi-line output seems to be > truncated by > the prompt or new line announcement. Good example is "java - > version". I > can improve this by setting a much shorter prompt in my shell but it's > still very hit and miss. Is there any way to configure things to more > reliably read new information? I've tried messing around with > cursor and > terminal types with no success that I can really point to. > > 2. Is there any way to review prior text on the screen or is > interacting > with the scroll area and moving the VO cursor up the way to do that? > > 3. When connecting to remote machines -- and to a lesser degree > locally -- > I need access to some ncurses applications but the cursor tracking > with VO > seems very unpredictable. An example would be to open "lynx - > show_cursor" > on the remote box and try and say navigate around the CNN homepage. > Or > use something like pine where cursoring around changes text > highlights. > > Anyone got advice as to how I can make all this work better for me? > > Many thanks, > Garry > > > -- > Garry Turkington > garry.turking...@gmail.com > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
american braille
Hi, I only tried the imac briefly in the apple store last week, but it can it be possible that it runs american braille? I dont mean the braille table, i sometimes use an american brialle table myself but I eman braille in general. I once got a brailleletter from the states and found it difficult to read, so I am guessing european and american braille mightr be different. Greetings, Anouk, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
macbook pro observations
Hello, I must say 2 usb ports is a bit meager. My current 2-year-old toshiba laptop has 3 and I found that a bit little, i wa shoping to go up to at least 4 in my next laptop. I mean, I have an usb printer, scanner, headset, external hd external soundcard etc etc etc. I guess I will have to shift to wireless and I really hope bluetooth braille will be supported in the new mac os x release. Also I wonder if the glass display isnt a lot more vulnerable then a normal plastic usb one? Greetings, Anouk, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: american braille
Hello Anowk, Apple only provides American Braille, both contracted and uncontracted. My husband has provided French and Norwegian uncontracted Braille, but if you want Dutch Braille, please send me the code and my husband will provide it for you. We need the 8-dot patterns with the corresponding unicode symbol list. Cheers, Anne On Jul 21, 2009, at 7:00 AM, a radix wrote: > Hi, I only tried the imac briefly in the apple store last week, but > it can it be possible that it runs american braille? I dont mean the > braille table, i sometimes use an american brialle table myself but > I eman braille in general. I once got a brailleletter from the > states and found it difficult to read, so I am guessing european and > american braille mightr be different. > Greetings, Anouk, > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Typing on the IPhone and using its GPS
a friend of mine said he can find a key and tap it twice once he has found it to insert it On 20 Jul 2009, at 22:44, Ryan Mann wrote: > > Is your typing slower on the Iphone than on the mac? It seems like it > would be since you're just using two fingers. > > On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: > >> >> I've heard that once people get good at it you hold a key on the left >> side of the virtual keyboard and tap with a finger on the right hand >> or >> vice versa. For now I end up hunting with one finger and tapping with >> another for every key. Like VO on the Mac I'm finding many iPhone >> apps >> are fairly accessible out of the box but with unlabeled buttons or >> form >> fields here and there. Pleasantly surprising since many of the apps >> predate VO on the iPhone. >> >> CB >> >> Simon Fogarty wrote: >>> I haven't tried the gps but the typing feature got me for a start. >>> You move / put one finger on the character you want and then tap >>> the screen >>> with another and the character is typed to the screen. >>> >>> I found it really easy after got the fingers working together. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James & Nash >>> Sent: Sunday, 19 July 2009 7:28 a.m. >>> To: Mac visionaries >>> Subject: Typing on the IPhone and using its GPS >>> >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> How do the blind users on this list find typing on the IPhone when >>> they >>> can't see the screen? How is it achieved? >>> >>> Also, how are IPhone users finding the GPS? Is it accurate? Is it >>> usable? >>> >>> Thank you for any info. >>> >>> Take care >>> >>> James >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
