Appeal for help with Springer book template in LyX

[george]

Hi Every one,



I am a happy user of LyX on windows 10 and have enjoyed the ease of use
developing a 308 page book manuscript.



However as I am naïve about things LaTeX I need advice on the following.



I used a book template that I found on my LyX installation, but the
publisher (Springer Nature) wants their own format.

I found the relevant LaTex download svmono at:




<https://www.springer.com/gp/authors-editors/book-authors-editors/your-publi
cation-journey/manuscript-preparation#toc-49272>
https://www.springer.com/gp/authors-editors/book-authors-editors/your-public
ation-journey/manuscript-preparation#toc-49272



But I have two Questions:



Q1: where do I place the components of svmono inside the LyX package so that
I can open the Springer *.tex book template in LyX?

Q2: When I do open the Springer template in LyX how do I move the contents
of my *.lyx book manuscript into the Springer template?



I can see a Springer journal template in the LyX download but it is the book
template I need.

I see that textlive has an svmono – but it does not have a book template.



Help from the LyX community would be much appreciated.



Best,



George





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RE: Appeal for help with Springer book template in LyX

[george]

Hi Rikki



I very much appreciate you help and prompt response.

I will follow your directions and report back on how it goes and with any 
issues if they arise.



FYI: I am with LiveTex



Kudos to lyx.org – they make life so much easier for non-LaTex experts like me 😊



Best regards,



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Subject: Re: Appeal for help with Springer book template in LyX



On 1/8/25 9:09 PM, geo...@hiperism.com <mailto:geo...@hiperism.com>  wrote:

Hi Every one,



I am a happy user of LyX on windows 10 and have enjoyed the ease of use 
developing a 308 page book manuscript.



However as I am naïve about things LaTeX I need advice on the following.



I used a book template that I found on my LyX installation, but the publisher 
(Springer Nature) wants their own format.

I found the relevant LaTex download svmono at:



 
<https://www.springer.com/gp/authors-editors/book-authors-editors/your-publication-journey/manuscript-preparation#toc-49272>
 
https://www.springer.com/gp/authors-editors/book-authors-editors/your-publication-journey/manuscript-preparation#toc-49272



But I have two Questions:



Q1: where do I place the components of svmono inside the LyX package so that I 
can open the Springer *.tex book template in LyX?

Exactly how you will do this depends upon what TeX installation you are using: 
MikTeX or TeXLive. Depending which it is, pages like this one:

https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/336024/add-a-specific-document-class-created-by-a-journal-to-the-directory

will provide instructions on how to do it. Basically, you just need to copy the 
svmono files into your TeX tree, and then update the TeX database. If you see 
svmono in TeXLive, and that's what you are using, then you can just install it 
that way.

Then you will need to reconfigure LyX, so it knows about the new files.

Q2: When I do open the Springer template in LyX how do I move the contents of 
my *.lyx book manuscript into the Springer template?

You may not need to do that: Just change the document class under Document> 
Settings to svmono. You'll likely need to adapt your existing book in various 
ways, but that should not be too bad. If you want, you can File> Import the 
svmono template. It's just a LaTeX file. Then you can use that as a guide for 
the changes you need to make.

Riki





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Wiki upload password request

[George Fairbanks]

I've created a page for the ACM Sigplan style and would like to upload a 
layout.  I'd appreciate any comments / edits to that page and would like 
the upload password so I can attach the .layout file.


http://wiki.lyx.org/Examples/AcmSigplan

Regards,

-George

Re: Running LyX on Slackware

[George Fairbanks]

Hi Francois,

"sh" is the unix shell, "python" is a scripting language used by Lyx. 
It sounds like the unix shell is complaining that it cannot find the 
python interpreter to run the scripts (they end with .py).  It sounds 
like you need to install python but I don't have a suggestion on how to 
to that under slackware.  If python is already installed then it may be 
a path problem and the shell just can't find the python executable.


Regards,

-George

Francois wrote:


Hope someone can help me with this:
I have been running LyX for a few years on RedHat7 to 9. I have now to 
change distro and went for Vector-Linux5.1, which is a Slackware-build. 
I got all the packages I needed and installed. When I start LyX I get 
the following message:


 LyX: reconfiguring user directory
sh: python: command not found
LyX: Done!
LyXTextClassList::Read: unable to find textclass file  `'. Exiting.

Is there something missing? And where can I get it?

Regards, François

Justifying figures to outer margin

[george legge]

In LyX memoir class, 2-sided, single column, how can I place figures so that
their outer edges line up with the outer edge of a wide (outer margin)? With
figures 1.2cm from the edge of the page, they then visually define the wide
outer margin. I want the captions (without caption numbers printed) placed
on the inside of the figures or, for wide figures, in the wide margin under
the figure.

I tried inserting the figure in a float, which then floats to the top of a
page, as desired. However the figure caption appears always on the left and
is justified to the left margin of the text, irrespective of whether the
page is recto or verso. The figure just gets pushed right in response to the
length of the caption. I need the caption on the “inside”, whether that is
left or right. If the caption is below the figure, the figure can be left or
right justified, but only to the text – not to the outer margin. How do I
get justification of the figure to the outer margin – not to the text?

Whether I set this up in LyX, in the LaTeX preamble or in TeX code, I feel
that it should be straightforward and probably a common layout; but I cannot
find the right documentation.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers, George (Legge)

Re: Justifying figures to outer margin

[george legge]

On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Julien Rioux wrote:
Hi,
I am not completely clear on what you want to accomplish, but you might want
to have a look at the sidecap package [1]. I wrote a minimalistic module to
use the package in LyX [2]. Maybe that would help. Otherwise, sorry for the
noise.

Thank you Julien for the prompt reply.
I have read your documentation.
Your package does allow figures to move into the margin and captions to be
placed on either side.
But it does not appear to tackle the major problem, which is:
How to get figures (of all widths) to justify to a boundary several cm
outside the text edge.

George

Re: Justifying figures to outer margin

[george legge]

On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Uwe Stöhr  wrote:

> Am 29.05.2010 01:04, schrieb george legge:
>
>
>  But it does not appear to tackle the major problem, which is:
>> How to get figures (of all widths) to justify to a boundary several cm
>> outside the text edge.
>>
>
> Use a wrapped float. Its option "Overhang" is exactly what you need.
> Attached is a LyX example file.
> For more infos about wrapped floats have a look at sec. 3.2.2 "Wrap Floats"
> of the EmbeddedObjects manual that you find in LyX#s Help menu.
>
> regards Uwe
>

Thank you Uwe. "Overhang" is exactly what I need.
However, I do not want wrapping, and "overhang" seems to be offered only by
Wrap Float.
I don't think a plain Figure Float recognizes "overhang".
Is there an easy way to insert an "overhang" command into a Figure Float?

Alternatively can I turn off wrapping in a Wrap Float?

I still wish to insert a caption into the space created by the overhang.
I could force the overhang just by letting the caption push the figure
across, thereby creating an overhang,
though I need to do that with the caption always on the inner side.
However getting exactly the same overhang every time would be messy that
way.

Basically, I wish to get all my figures to float to the tops of pages, flush
to the outside and overhang text by a set distance,
thus visually defining a marginal column. Your "overhang" almost does it.

Cheers, George

Re: Justifying figures to outer margin

[george legge]

>
>   Is there an easy way to insert an "overhang" command into a Figure Float?
>>
>
> You only need to specify a width for your image that is wider than the page
> or column width. Use for example a width of 110 column%. Attached is an
> example where I have done this for a box.
>
> regards Uwe
>

Thank you Uwe, but that merely enlarges the image and extends it into the
margin.
It does not MOVE the image.  An overhang moves the image across into the
margin which is what I need.
Think of it this way:
 I wish to have an image (of any desired size) placed in the top
outer corner of the page.
Images will vary in width; but their outer edge will always hang outside the
text edge by the same distance.
It seems to me that this is exactly what "overhang" achieves.
If only I can get it to work with a regular image float, not just with a
wrap float.

Cheers, George

Re: Justifying figures to outer margin

[george legge]

>
> This is against usual typesetting rules and therefore not supported by
> LaTeX. I showed you 2 tricks to overcome this and I don't see other ways.
> But you should have a very, very important reason to print something in the
> page margin. Because in case that you print your document by a printing
> press you will get big problems.
>
> regards Uwe
>

I still have a real margin of about 1.5cm outside the images. But there is a
much larger margin outside the text.
It is quite common to use what is treated as a margin by the text, but is
available for placement of figures.
Possibly a layout program does it by setting up two columns and restricting
the text to just the inner column.
I don't think that is easy to do with LaTeX.
However your suggestion of using "overhang" was wonderful.I don't know how
"overhang" is achieved.
I just need the macro that produces "overhang" without the macro that
produces "wrap".
That sounds simple, but maybe it isn't.
Thank you for trying to help.

Cheers, George

Re: Justifying figures to outer margin

[george legge]

Sorry Uwe, I forgot to add that the geometry package allows me to set up
exactly what I need in the way of margins.
It can set:
paperwidth = inner + width + outer   [I am calling them inner and outer
rather than left and right, because it is double sided]
where inner and outer are true margins, not used for printing.
and  width = textwidth + (marginparsep + marginparwidth)

It is the outer edge of this (marginparsep + marginparwidth) region which I
attempted to justify my figures to.
My requirement was that the outer edge of a figure line up with the outer
edge of the marginpara,
and the figure could extend back as far as needed into the text area, with
any space left available for caption.
I was having difficulty with this and I noticed that memoir by itself could
perform many (though not all) of geometry actions.
Then I was overjoyed to get your suggestion of using "overhang" but
subsequently "underjoyed" to find I could not free it from wrap.
If I cannot free "overhang" from wrap, I shall go back to wrestling with
geometry.
Thank you again for your help.

Cheers, George

Re: Justifying figures to outer margin

[george legge]

On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Julien Rioux
wrote:

> On 28/05/2010 7:04 PM, george legge wrote:
>
>> On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Julien Rioux> >wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I am not completely clear on what you want to accomplish, but you might
>> want
>> to have a look at the sidecap package [1]. I wrote a minimalistic module
>> to
>> use the package in LyX [2]. Maybe that would help. Otherwise, sorry for
>> the
>> noise.
>>
>> Thank you Julien for the prompt reply.
>> I have read your documentation.
>> Your package does allow figures to move into the margin and captions to be
>> placed on either side.
>> But it does not appear to tackle the major problem, which is:
>> How to get figures (of all widths) to justify to a boundary several cm
>> outside the text edge.
>>
>> George
>>
>>
> Hi George,
>
> First, I did not write the sidecap package; I only wrote a LyX module to
> better integrate the functionality of the LaTeX package within LyX.
>
> Second, there is a sidecap package option, "wide", which let the figure
> extend into the margin. Unfortunately, there is hardly any documentation
> about the sidecap package. I do not know how to customize this very well.
> But the attached LyX file use this option and the "innercaption" option to
> achieve something close to what you want, I think.
>
> Make sure you have sidecap.module somewhere where LyX can find it.
>
> Best of luck,
> Julien
>

Thank you Julien. Yes, I found the sidecap package a short while ago and
then found "wide".
"wide" certainly works on text and I am right now trying it on a figure.
It looks as though it should solve most of my problems; but I agree the
documentation is very sparse.
It is time I knocked off for the night. I shall let you know how successful
I am.

Cheers, George

Re: Windows 7 compatibility

[George Christodoulatos]

Hi all,

I've been using the 1.5.2 version, but now I've upgraded to 64-bit 
architecture and using Windows 7 Pro (64-bit). I've had to uninstall all 
of my programs on XP. Can anyone tell me if the 1.6.6.1 works ok with 
64-bit Windows 7?

Thank you.

Best to all
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Re: Justifying figures to outer margin

[george legge]

On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Helge Hafting wrote:

> A figure, (including the caption) can be shifted left or right if you want
> to. Here is one way:
> 1.Insert the figure float.
> 2.The first thing inside this float should be horizontal space.
>  Use a negative length to move into the left margin, or use a
>  positive length to move into the right margin.
>  (Insert->Formatting->Horizontal Space). Set the type
>  to "custom". That lets you type in a custom length.
> 3. After the horizontal space, insert a minipage. (Insert->Box)
>   In the settings, make sure it is a minipage, set the width to
>   100% of line length, and use "no frame". (Frames makes it easier
>   to see what happens, but they have width of their own, so they
>   interfere with precise positioning.)
> 4. Put all your figure content inside this minipage. Both the
>   image and the caption. (The caption can be moved inside
>   the minipage by copy-paste.)
>
>
Thank you Helge,

The "sidecap" package with the "wide" option appears to have answered most
of my needs;
but I shall bear in mind your suggestions for moving figures precisely.

George Legge

figure*

[george legge]

A simple question, I believe: How do I get captions printed without Figure
numbers?
Both with the figures and in the list of figures, I wish to have only the
captions printed.

I am using Book (Memoir).
The help file on Additional LyX Features (or Extended) mentions the float
environment figure*.
But nothing further is said, except to refer the reader to the User's Guide.

I have the User's Guide and the Embedded Objects manuals for LyX 1.6.x
and neither makes any mention of figure* or the answer to my problem.

Also I see no sign of figure* in the toolbar under Insert.

I shall be very grateful for assistance.

Regards, George Legge

Re: figure*

[george legge]

Thank you for replying Paul.
Figures to be labeled in both the List of Figures and in the caption beneath
the figures:
My smiling face

George

On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:08 AM, Paul A. Rubin  wrote:

> On 11/4/2010 3:30 AM, george legge wrote:
>
>> A simple question, I believe: How do I get captions printed without
>> Figure numbers?
>> Both with the figures and in the list of figures, I wish to have only
>> the captions printed.
>>
>> I am using Book (Memoir).
>> The help file on Additional LyX Features (or Extended) mentions the
>> float environment figure*.
>> But nothing further is said, except to refer the reader to the User's
>> Guide.
>> I have the User's Guide and the Embedded Objects manuals for LyX 1.6.x
>> and neither makes any mention of figure* or the answer to my problem.
>>
>> Also I see no sign of figure* in the toolbar under Insert.
>>
>> I shall be very grateful for assistance.
>>
>> Regards, George Legge
>>
>
> How do you want figures labeled?  Possibilities include (but are not
> limited to):
>
> Figure. My Smiling Face
> Figure: My Smiling Face
> Figure  My Smiling Face
> My Smiling Face
>
> /Paul
>
>
>

LyX Memoir endnotes have form of footnotes

[george legge]

I am using Book-memoir and all the endnotes appear in the form of footnotes;

that is, each starts with a superscript number which is indented and
followed immediately by the endnote text.
If there are subsequent lines for that footnote, they are not indented.

This happens whether I employ "insert footnote" and the module "foot to end"
or I employ the more recent Insert>Custom:Insets>Custom Endnote.
I am listing endnotes at the end of each chapter. They look very odd and
difficult to read in the form of footnotes.

What is the simplest way to get the endnotes listed in the common way,
namely:
a normal Arabic number followed by the indented text (indented for all
lines)?

Cheers, George

Re: LyX Memoir endnotes have form of footnotes

[george legge]

Thank you Darren. The first version works perfectly to give what I expect to
see for endnotes.
The only addition I made was to add "\wide" before and "\endwide" after
"\printpagenotes*".
That allowed the endnotes to use the full width of text+notemargin.

Incidentally, why the asterisk?
With or without the asterisk, the notes get printed with their numbers. (and
they won't appear in a T.O.C.).

Thanks again -- you have been a great help.

Cheers, George



On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Daron Wilson  wrote:

> George,
>
> The LyX endnote module uses the LaTeX endnote package, and so it would
> require some LaTeX hacking to change things much I think.  Memoir has its
> own commands to put notes at the end(it calls them pagenotes so as not to
> conflict with the endnotes package).  The memoir commands are not the same,
> but the class does provide all the same functionality, and a little more I
> believe.  I've been using memoir for  a short while, and so I have a little
> familiarity there, and I tried to hack something up from things I found
> before in the memoir manual.
>
> Caveats:
> *I'm new to the whole LaTeX thing, so it's probably pretty ugly, and the
> long way around, but it is working fine for me here (LyX 2.0 beta).
> *this will only work with the memoir class because it is built on
> class-specific commands.
>
> I wasn't sure exactly what result you wanted, but basically, what I've done
> is made memoir convert footnotes to endnotes, and hang the paragraphs off of
> the note numbers (I assume that is what you meant by "indented for all
> lines").  There are two possible options (available by
> commenting/uncommenting a few appropriate lines): either to hang the
> paragraphs of of a superscript without a space, or to hang the paragraphs
> off of normal text size numbers with a period and a space.
>
> You should be able to copy the code below straight into the preamble
> section of your document settings, and then the only thing you have to do is
> put the following into ERT in LyX at the end of each chapter:
>
> \clearpage
> \printpagenotes*
>
>
> The memoir package manual has a lot more detail on endnotes in section
> 17.4, and some helpful background in chapter 12.
>
> Regards,
>
> Daron
>
>
>
>
> =
>
> %% Depends on memoir
> %   tell memoir to use endnotes
> \makepagenote
>
> %   use Lyx footnote apparatus, but have memoir convert to endnotes
> \foottopagenote
>
> %   setup memoir for notes at the end of chapters
> \renewcommand*{\notedivision}{\section*{\notesname}}
> \renewcommand*{\pagenotesubhead}[3]{}
>
> %   prepare a new length for the width of the note numbers;  to be used
> later
> \newlength{\notenumberlength}
>
> %   tell memoir to hang the paragraphs from the width of the note
> numbers
> \renewcommand{\prenoteinnotes}{\par\noindent\hangindent\notenumberlength}
>
> %   add some space between notes
> \renewcommand{\postnoteinnotes}{\par\smallskip}
>
> %:> use for hanging notes from normal text size numbers
>
> %   tell LaTeX to reserve note number space wide enough for the number
> 99. and a space, in normal font
> \settowidth{\notenumberlength}{\normalfont 99.\space}
>
> %   tell memoir to typeset the note numbers as flushright in their own
> box
>
> \renewcommand*{\notenuminnotes}[1]{\makebox[\notenumberlength][r]{#1.\space}}
>
>
>
> %:> use for hanging the notes from superscript numbers.
> %   tell LaTeX to reserve enough space for 99 notes, superscript size
> %\settowidth{\notenumberlength}{\textsuperscript{99}}
>
> %   tell memoir to typeset the note numbers as flushright
> (rightjustified).
>
> %\renewcommand*{\notenuminnotes}[1]{\makebox[\notenumberlength][r]{\textsuperscript{#1}}}
>
> =
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 7 Dec 2010, at 07:43, george legge wrote:
>
> > I am using Book-memoir and all the endnotes appear in the form of
> footnotes;
> > that is, each starts with a superscript number which is indented and
> followed immediately by the endnote text.
> > If there are subsequent lines for that footnote, they are not indented.
> >
> > This happens whether I employ "insert footnote" and the module "foot to
> end" or I employ the more recent Insert>Custom:Insets>Custom Endnote.
> > I am listing endnotes at the end of each chapter. They look very odd and
> difficult to read in the form of footnotes.
> >
> > What is the simplest way to get the endnotes listed in the common way,
> namely:
> > a normal Arabic number followed by the indented text (indented for all
> lines)?
> >
> > Cheers, George
>
>

Re: LyX Memoir endnotes have form of footnotes

[george legge]

Thank you Stefano for that useful information.
Cheers, George

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:45 AM, stefano franchi
wrote:

> George, Daron,
>
> please note that memoir's \pagenote and \foottopagenote use in Lyx
> currently suffers from two   problems:
>
> 1. a 2-paragraphs (or more) pagenote produced with Lyx 's footnote command
> and \foottopagenote will fail and produce a Latex error. One paragraph notes
> are okay.
>
> 2. similarly, a pagenote produced with Lyx's footnote command and
> \foottopagenote cannot contain \index commands unless they are "protected"
> (you need to insert a \protect command as ERT **immediately before** the
> \index command).
>

Re: LyX Memoir endnotes have form of footnotes

[george legge]

Hi Daron and Stefano,

Your shortened code for the pagenotes, Daron, works OK but I still need
\wide and \endwide to utilize the full width of text + notemargin.

Stefano, I tested your comments on "only a single paragraph allowed within a
pagenote".
True, "return" or "shift return" are not accepted within a pagenote;
however "cntrl return" [a ragged linebreak] works fine.
This should suffice for most cases where one needs a second reference in a
pagenote, though it may not satisfy those who want paragraphs of text.

Incidentally, "cntrl shift return" [a justified linebreak] is not accepted.

Cheers, George




On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:45 AM, stefano franchi
wrote:

> George, Daron,
>
> please note that memoir's \pagenote and \foottopagenote use in Lyx
> currently suffers from two   problems:
>
> 1. a 2-paragraphs (or more) pagenote produced with Lyx 's footnote command
> and \foottopagenote will fail and produce a Latex error. One paragraph notes
> are okay.
>

Re: How to obtain a chapter-independent table reference?

[george legge]

Stefano does not appear to have had his question answered. I have a similar
problem, in that I have a few ancestral trees scattered through a book
(Memoir) with many figures. I do not want these trees to be listed with the
figures; so I denoted them as tables. (Ideally, I would change "Table" to
"Tree"). The main problem is that I want to have a List of Tables (or better
Trees) just giving their page numbers but not numbering them by chapter.
It seems my problems are similar to those of Stefano. What is the easiest
way to handle these problems?

Grateful for any help, thank you George Legge


On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 9:17 AM, stefano franchi
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I have a document typeset with memoir that contains only one  table.
> It occurs within chapter 3. Labeling and cross-referencing the table
> produces a ¨Table 3.1¨ label, which looks strange because it is the
> only table in the whole document. Is there a way to force a simpler
> ¨Table 1¨ label?   I could not find answers in the usual places.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stefano
>

Re: How to obtain a chapter-independent table reference?

[george legge]

Thank you Stefano.
That should answer all - a great help.

Cheers, George


On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 1:07 AM, stefano franchi
wrote:

> Hi George,
>
> I solved the problem,  with a bit of Latex code.
>
> The excellent Latex faq on the issue:
>
> http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=running-nos
>
> lists several solutions. The simplest one works for me. Put the
> following in the preamble:
>
> \usepackage{chngcntr}
> \counterwithout{table}{chapter}
>
> (change {table} to {figure} if needed).
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Stefano
>

Re: LyX Promotion

[george legge]

Steve, I like your list of good things about LyX;
but you have omitted what to me is the most significant:

Try using Word to compile a  long book with many illustrations, often with 3
graphics to a page.
Word has a shocking reputation for using a master document with many child
documents,
particularly one with many graphics. There are many warnings that Word will
crash and corrupt files.

So be it - I used OpenOffice. Result: as the book got longer, the OpenOffice
master crashed frequently.
Every time a child document was added or modified, the master document took
up to half an hour to update and was likely to crash in the process.
At least OpenOffice never corrupted the files; but it became impractical to
complete assembly of the book.

I carried the same files over to LyX, converting each child document.
Result: LyX has not crashed once and it assembles or updates the master
document into a pdf, with all the graphics inserted in less than 30 seconds.

I may have to negotiate with LyX on where I wish to place an image or what
ERT is needed.
But the worse that might happen is I get an error message.
All through the operations, LyX remains rock steady.

For long complex documents, LyX is the practical solution.

Cheers, George Legge



On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

> If I were going to enumerate the good things about
> LyX, it would be something like this:
>
> * It typesets better and more consistently than its non-TeX based
> competitors.
> * It deletes unintentional double spaces and double newlines.
> * It always calculates references, TOC and indices correctly, unlike
> others.
> * The black on tan is readable and soothing to the eyes for long workdays.
> * Its simple native format invites programmatic document creation and
> editing.
> * It's free software, which protects your documents from vendor lock-in.
> * It's an incredibly fast authoring environment.
>

dontprintsection heading

[george legge]

Dear LyX Listers,
Is there a simple way to prevent a section heading from printing out in the
text?
I am using memoir and companion.

I wish to place my section headings in the margin and also have them appear
in the TOC and in the appropriate headers.
LyX was not happy when I inserted one as a margin note and called it a
section. I have since read that this is not allowed.

So, I inserted it as normal in the text, called it a section and then
inserted the same words as a margin note.
That is fine: it appears in the TOC, in the appropriate headers, in the
margin and in the text (as a section heading).
Now all I need to do is stop it printing out in the text. I tried ERT but
don't know enough.
I wish it to be recognized as a section heading but just not print out in
the text.

Can anyone help please?

George Legge

Re: dontprintsection heading

[george legge]

Thank you RIchard for your reply. I took your advice and found the memoir
command:
\section{<*toc-title*>][<*head-title>*]{<*title*>} allows me to set all
three titles independently,
So, I just left the last one blank and separately inserted a margin note
with the <*title>.*
Cheers, George

On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Richard Heck  wrote:

> On 04/08/2011 03:45 AM, george legge wrote:
>
>> Dear LyX Listers,
>> Is there a simple way to prevent a section heading from printing out in
>> the text?
>> I am using memoir and companion.
>>
>> I wish to place my section headings in the margin and also have them
>> appear in the TOC and in the appropriate headers.
>>
>
> (i) Dig into the internals of whatever document class you are using, and
> redefine the command that prints the section heading.

Change margins to handle recto and verso pages in Memoir

[george legge]

Hi to the most helpful users-list I know,

I am using memoir to print a book, with a wide margin for graphics.

As I don't need this wide empty margin when printing pagenotes,

I need to change margins for the page notes at the end of each chapter.

I can do this with the preamble code:


 \newenvironment{changemargin}[2]{%

\begin{list}{}{%

\setlength{\leftmargin}{#1}%

\setlength{\rightmargin}{#2}}%

\item[]}{\end{list}}


 Then in ERT in the text:

\clearpage

\begin{changemargin}{0cm}{-2.8cm}

\printpagenotes*

\end{changemargin}


 Since some page notes run for two pages, I need to cope with recto and
verso pages, whereas the above values need to be set up for one or the
other.

I have tried innermargin & outermargin or spinemargin & edgemargin with no
recognition.

Do I need to use Boolean programing (ifrecto or ifverso) to handle this
switching of margins, or does memoir have a simpler way?


I would greatly appreciate advice on this one.

Cheers, George Legge

Change margins to handle recto and verso pages in Memoir

[george legge]

I posted this message two days ago; but it has not appeared on the list,
though it is in the archive (with no responses);

So here it is again:


Hi to the most helpful users-list I know,

I am using memoir to print a book, with a wide margin for graphics.

As I don't need this wide empty margin when printing pagenotes,

I need to change margins for the page notes at the end of each chapter.

I can do this with the preamble code:


 \newenvironment{changemargin}[2]{%

\begin{list}{}{%

\setlength{\leftmargin}{#1}%

\setlength{\rightmargin}{#2}}%

\item[]}{\end{list}}


 Then in ERT in the text:

\clearpage

\begin{changemargin}{0cm}{-2.8cm}

\printpagenotes*

\end{changemargin}


 Since some page notes run for two pages, I need to cope with recto and
verso pages, whereas the above values need to be set up for one or the
other.

I have tried innermargin & outermargin or spinemargin & edgemargin with no
recognition.

Do I need to use Boolean programing (ifrecto or ifverso) to handle this
switching of margins, or does memoir have a simpler way?


I would greatly appreciate advice on this one.
Cheers, George Legge

Re: Lyx file format ?

[Stephen George]

On 13/07/2011 12:31 PM, steve_...@optusnet.com.au wrote:


Hi,

I am wondering if it is conceivable to generate (with a script) Lyx files, that 
can be later opened in Lyx to perform final editing/touch-ups before generating 
my final book?

Is their some documentation on the Lyx file format somewhere?
Will the Lyx format be easier or harder to manage than dealing directly with 
Latex format?

Thanks
Steve


Thanks everyone for the great hints.

A couple of you asked what I intend to do (how complicated).

I'll be dragging data from a data base populated with genealogy data. 
It's not fully formulated in my mind yet, but I see:

-  for each person a new section
- sub sections for various details of the person (marriages, children, 
notes etc)

- maybe a table to summarize  various details of a person (life events)
- possibly the inclusion of a picture if the records contains a picture.

I was considering targeting Lyx as the generated files rather than 
Latex, as I will need to tweak the data, and potentially add more 
details, introductions, explanations etc. that are not included in the 
data base. I was wanting to use the pull from the data base as a 
starting base to which I need to do more work.
As pointed out by Trevor I could import Latex files to lyx, this is 
under consideration but I would still need to generate the Latex files. 
In the mean time I've been playing around with the lyx2lyx python code 
and created a simple class that can write basic lyx files, I might try 
and push this a bit more and see if I can get the elements of lyx that 
I'll need to use to work.


Thanks again to everyone for the suggestions
Steve

Re: 1.1999

[george legge]

Why would you not want it to read 1.200 ?

George

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Charles Reichert  wrote:
> Hello All.
> If I have a number: 1.19... How can I get the bar (I forget the name)
> over the 9 so it just reads 1.199
> Thanks
> Charles

Re: Landscape document..........

[Stephen GEORGE]

Hi All,


On 17/07/16 08:41, Charlie wrote:

On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 19:48:28 + (UTC) "Paul A.Rubin ru...@msu.edu"
informed me of this:

> Charlie  ipstarmail.com.au> writes:

With a full page picture, landscape the picture goes out past the
right page, with the text landscape it actually pulls it
into the portrait boundary?
I may be of only limited help here. I couldn't open the PDF file
(Evince doesn't believe it's a PDF, and unfortunately I don't
have Acrobat Reader on the machine I'm using). I could open
the LyX file, but had to comment out the line loading the
tgbonoum package (which I don't have). Hopefully that doesn't
affect anything.

With that done, I could compile the test document (I used a couple of
different formats). It came out the way it was supposed to, but that
may not be the way you intended. You specified a custom size
of 17.78 cm height and 22.86 cm width. That defines a page
that is wider than it is tall. You also picked landscape
mode, which means the output should be 22.86 cm high and
17.78 cm wide (taller than wide), which the output was.

If you're trying to get output that's wider than tall, then either
specify a wide page size in portrait mode OR a narrow page
size in landscape mode, but not both.

The text did not run off the page for me, but it ran right up to the
edge of the page, consistent with your specifying zero
margins on all sides.

Paul

Wow!

I just checked the document and it was 17.78 cm height and 22.86 cm
wide. Not the other way round.

But you reckon it was 22.86 cm hight and 17.78 wide which would be
portrait? That's weird.

Maybe others might quickly look at that document and inform me that
they see what you see as well. That would mean my system LyX is really
wrong and it may have to be purged and reinstalled?

I did specify landscape, but I suppose you saw that when you looked in
the Document->settings->Page format->orientation

Well there you go. I wouldn't use adobe acrobat reader fortunately. But
I might test it with that on a friends machine.

Thanks for your input.

Stay well,
Charlie

I was able to open the pdf file using evince 3.18.2, to me it was 
portrait orientation text wrapping at page boundaries.
My version of lyx is too old to open the .lyx file, .. so opened it with 
a text editor and found.


\paperorientation landscape

\paperwidth 22.86cm
\paperheight 17.78cm

So Paul if I read your reply correctly  you are suggesting in landscape 
mode the \paperwidth attribute defines how tall the page is and the 
\paperheight attribute indicates how wide the page is and the source of 
the problem?.


So if I may ask
   1)  \paperwidth & \paperheight define the page as the printer sees it?
   2)  and landscape and portrait defines to latex how to print the 
text on that page?


... curious

Steve

Roman numerals in mathbox

[George Whelton]

Hi there,

I am trying to draw a commutative diagram, using tikzcd, for my mathematics
thesis on category theory and I am unsure how to fix Roman numerals as
indices. Also, how could I code them into a mathbox?

Thanks

-- 
George

Saving viewer preferences

[George Papen]

It appears that I cannot save "Acrobat" as the pdf viewer option. When 
go to Preferences/Conversion and
use open -a "Acrobat" for the Viewer preference for pdf, it works fine 
for that session, but when I quit Lyx and
start it back up, I get the following message

Unknown tag "Acrobat""' [around line 81 of file ~/.lyx/preferences

Is there any way I can save this preference permanently?

Re: Problems with Windows installation [solved]

[Stephen George]

Hi Les,


On 7/02/2013 2:49 AM, Les Denham wrote:

Yesterday I had a friend call me for advice on a Windows XP
installation of Lyx. He had been using LyX for several years without
any problems, and had just updated to 2.0.5.1. Now he could work in
LyX, but could not generate a PDF output. He is running Windows XP on a
netbook.

Had a similar problem myself just recently.
Had an installation of MikTex/Lyx on my Win7 computer at work.
Had
Lyx 2.0.3-1
MikTex 2.9.4407 (from March last year)

Worked fine in converting my Lyx documents into pdf's

Upgraded both MikTex and Lyx
Lyx 2.0.5.1
MikTex -  updated packages only (something I hadn't done in a while)

Now I could not create pdf's
Seemed to be getting errors that some packages where not installed - but 
everything was working before?

I re-checked that the packages were up to date in MikTex.
Then I checked the settings on MikTex, and I had the setting
Install-Missing-packages-on-fly set for YES

But still I could not generate pdf's, .. recheck Lyx function 
Tools->Reconfigure

   restart Lyx app - no pdf's
   restart PC - no pdf's


So I tried another file (the User's Guide, doc/UserGuide.lyx). This
also worked without any errors, but I observed that before generating
the PDF MikTeX downloaded some additional packages.


Dont know why but I changed MikTex setting
Install-Missing-packages-on-fly set to ASK-ME-FIRST

Next time I tried to generate a pdf, dialogs boxes started popping up 
asking if to install package, . of course I answered yes.

I guess there was about 5~10 packages installed, then my pdf came out.

Can generate all my lyx files on that PC now.

I am left to speculate what happened, and why automatic and prompted 
updates on fly behaved differently. My only thought was being a work PC 
they have security policies that may have somehow interfered.
Also why did I all of a sudden I need new packages without changing 
anything in my Lyx files, was that because of new dependencies during 
the MikTex update or did the new version of Lyx require the new packages?


Since you found a different work around for what seemed like a similar 
problem (not downloading missing packages properly), I thought I share 
my experience.


Steve

Multiple files for book

[Stephen George]

Hi,

I'm a new comer to Lyx, and reading some of the tute and skim reading 
topics of interest the rest.


I'm still left with a question. (hope I didn't miss it)

If creating a book with a couple hundred pages, do I put it all in one 
big lyx file, or do I split it across multiple files (say one file per 
chapter), and somehow pull each chapter into book with some sort of 
include command?


I know other programs would suggest the multiple document way so you 
don't have to scroll around a single massive file looking for the area 
you want to work on, however the navigator in Lyx would seem to mitigate 
that effect.


I just want to understand the Lyx way of structuring a large book.

I'm guessing if Lyx does support  files for each chapter, then the 
navigator would not 'span' the multiple files allowing jumping from 
chapter to chapter?


Also the book will have a large number of images, do you usually put 
them all in one directory or put them in some sort of hierarchical 
directory structure.


Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks
Steve

Tufte book layout - title ?

[Stephen George]

Hi,

I'm a newbie to Lyx, and was playing with the Tufte book class.

I'm a little confused,
I downloaded Lyx Example File from 
http://wiki.lyx.org/Layouts/Tufte-book#toc1


When I try to create a pdf of the example file, I got an error about the 
title (using windows and Lyx 1..6.5)

(LaTeX Error: Can be used only in preamble.)
\title{Tufte Examples}

Your command was ignored.

Type I   to replace it with another command,

or  to continue without it.


When I download and try to build the pdf using Debian, the build works 
fine, and has the title in the resultant pdf.



I am guessing my miktex install is missing some package.


So my question, is how do I work out what package is missing for a lyx 
file, so I can install it.

note: my miktex _IS_ setup to install missing packages on the fly.


Any idea why my lyx (on windows) doesn't accept the title as valid ?

Thanks

- Steve

Re: Tufte book layout - title ?

[Stephen George]

Thankyou Uwe and Rob for your replies.

I feel a bit more at ease to know it is a known problem.

I did the MikTex update as Uwe suggested. Unfortunatly it didn't help. 
(I didn't see any Tufte in the download list)
I then download the zip file from code.google tufte-latex-3.5.0.zip - 
the files in the zip were the same as the MikTek installation - still no 
good.


I then got the latest from the SVN repro (revision 144) copied into the 
MikTex directory, and finally success - my windows could compile the 
example file to a .pdf  Title and all.



My last question, .. Is it OK to copy files into the MikTeK directory 
like that, and they wont interfere with subsequent updates I might run 
on MikTek in the future, what risks do I run by leaving it this way?.


Thanks for the help
- Steve


Rob Oakes wrote:

Hi Stephen,

You may need to get the most recent version from the tufte-latex source code
repository.  I'm not sure that the MikTeX version has been updated
(http://code.google.com/p/tufte-latex/).  Also, the issue still persists
when compiling documents with xelatex.

For xelatex users, the problem can be circumvented by using the "nols"
option.  But this requires that you manually set up letterspacing and fonts
using \fontspec.  It also messes up the all-caps styling of headers and
footers.

The best bet might be to downgrade to the 3.0 version.  It also has a couple
of bugs (most obnoxious being screwed up figure numbering), but it is much
less temperamental.  


Just my two cents, though.

Rob

-Original Message-
From: Stephen George [mailto:steve_...@optusnet.com.au] 
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 2:37 AM

To: lyx
Subject: Tufte book layout - title ?


Hi,

I'm a newbie to Lyx, and was playing with the Tufte book class.

I'm a little confused,
I downloaded Lyx Example File from
http://wiki.lyx.org/Layouts/Tufte-book#toc1

When I try to create a pdf of the example file, I got an error about the
title (using windows and Lyx 1..6.5) (LaTeX Error: Can be used only in
preamble.) \title{Tufte Examples}

Your command was ignored.

Type I   to replace it with another command,

or  to continue without it.


When I download and try to build the pdf using Debian, the build works fine,
and has the title in the resultant pdf.


I am guessing my miktex install is missing some package.


So my question, is how do I work out what package is missing for a lyx 
file, so I can install it.

 note: my miktex _IS_ setup to install missing packages on the fly.


Any idea why my lyx (on windows) doesn't accept the title as valid ?

Thanks

- Steve

  




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Sideways table using Memoir

[George Fairbanks]

I'm writing a book with LyX using the Memoir class and I'd like to 
rotate a table.  I can select the table float properties and set it to 
be a sideways table, but then I get the following errors.  I've tried to 
shorten the LaTeX output to just the relevant parts, but let me know if 
I've left out something important.  To get the output below, I created a 
blank document, set its class to Memoir, and inserted a table float with 
table and rotated it (sidewaystable).


...
(/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/memoir/memoir.cls
Document Class: memoir 2005/09/25 v1.618 configurable document class
...
)) (/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/rotfloat/rotfloat.sty
Package: rotfloat 2004/01/04 v1.2 Combining float+rotating package (AS)
(/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/float/float.sty
Package: float 2001/11/08 v1.3d Float enhancements (AL)
\...@float@type=\count132
\fl...@exts=\toks24

! LaTeX Error: Command \newfloat already defined.
   Or name \end... illegal, see p.192 of the manual.

See the LaTeX manual or LaTeX Companion for explanation.
Type  H   for immediate help.
 ...

l.68   {}}}

Your command was ignored.
Type  Ito replace it with another command,
orto continue without it.

\fl...@box=\box28
\...@float@everytoks=\toks25
\...@floatcapt=\box29
) (/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/rotating/rotating.sty
Package: rotating 1997/09/26, v2.13 Rotation package
...
Adding sideways figure on  right hand page 
[1{/var/lib/texmf/fonts/map/pdftex/u

pdmap/pdftex.map}] (./newfile1.aux)

...

I did also find this page: 
http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=alreadydef about commands 
that have duplicate definitions, but I'm afraid I'm not enough of a 
latex master to figure out what to do with that information.


I'm not allergic to Evil Red Text, but I've been googling and trying 
things out for a few hours and now I find myself stuck.  Any help with 
this is greatly appreciated!


Regards,

-George

Re: Sideways table using Memoir

[George Fairbanks]

Thanks Uwe.  I'm using Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic and thanks to your tip I've 
learned that their TeXLive packages are rather old (TeXLive 2007, no 
package manager yet).  I was able to manually download and install these 
newer packages from CTAN in my local texmf directory, and my problem is 
solved, thanks!  For the benefit of anyone else reading this later, I 
used this guide:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LaTeX.


Regards,

-George


...
(/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/memoir/memoir.cls
Document Class: memoir 2005/09/25 v1.618 configurable document class

That might be your problem. The versions of memoir your are using is outdated 
and you probably suffer from a bug in memoir. I'm using memoir 2009/11/17 
v1.61803398c which works fine.

I therefore recommend to update memoir. (The easiest way to do this is by using 
the TeXLive package manager that is available since TeXLive 2008.)

(/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/rotating/rotating.sty
Package: rotating 1997/09/26, v2.13 Rotation package

Same problem; I'm using rotating 2009/03/28 v2.16a and strongly recommend to update to this version since it fixes many bugs. 

64bit Lyx 1.6.4 cannot view postscript

[george legge]

Hello to you all  --  This is my first message to the list.

I have the 64bit version of Lyx 1.6.4 running on 64bit SUSE 11.1 together
with Texlive.

Lyx would not convert to pdf until I installed kdegraphics3-pdf and
kdegraphics3-postscript.

Without those packages, it seems the 64bit installation does not have a
version of kpdf (information off the web).



 Fine, I can now view as pdf and print that. I can also view as dvi; but
that's as far as it goes.

I cannot view as postscript. I get a window with an error message:

An error occurred whilst running dvips -t a4 -o 'newfile1.ps'
'newfile1.dvi'.



 In the terminal window, I get the same error message followed by:

This is dvips(k) 5.98 Copyright 2009 Radical Eye Software (
www.radicaleye.com)

dvips: ! Couldn't find header file tex.pro

Note that an absolute path or a relative path with .. are denied in -R2
mode.

Error: Cannot convert file.



 I searched for tex.pro and found it (and also texps.pro) in

/usr/share/texmf/dvips/base/ and also in /usr/lib/texmf/divips/base/

These files belong to root and I wondered if permissions were a problem, but
I get the same response if I run Lyx as root.



 I don't know whether there is something missing in the 64bit version of Lyx
1.6.4 or what.

I am not familiar with Lyx.

Can anyone help please?

George L

Re: 64bit Lyx 1.6.4 cannot view postscript

[george legge]

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:19 AM, rgheck  wrote:

>
>>
>>
> The first step towards debugging this is to see if dvips will run from
> outside LyX. So (i) export your LyX file to LaTeX; (ii) run the following,
> from within the directory where that file now is:
>latex newfile1.tex
>
>dvips -t a4 -o newfile1.ps newfile1.dvi
> Do you get the same error?
>


Thank you for that quick response to my problem.
Yes, I started  a new file (newfile5) in LyX and followed your instructions.
I got essentially the same error, running outside LyX:


This is dvips(k) 5.98 Copyright 2009 Radical Eye Software (
www.radicaleye.com)
dvips: ! Couldn't find header file tex.pro.
Note that an absolute path or a relative path with .. are denied in -R2
mode.

What is the next step in debugging?

Regards, GeorgeL

Re: 64bit Lyx 1.6.4 cannot view postscript

[george legge]

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 4:25 AM, Kornel Benko  wrote:

> Am Mittwoch 31 März 2010 schrieb rgheck:
> > > This is dvips(k) 5.98 Copyright 2009 Radical Eye Software (
> > > www.radicaleye.com)
> > > dvips: ! Couldn't find header file tex.pro.
> > > Note that an absolute path or a relative path with .. are denied in -R2
> > > mode.
> >
> tex.pro is part of texlive-base-bin package here (ubuntu).
> (/usr/share/texmf-texlive/dvips/base/tex.pro)
>
>Kornel
>

Thank you for the comment Kornel.
In SUSE, I have tex.pro in the same path, except that your texmf-texlive is
replaced by texmf.
I have no directory texmf-texlive, though texlive has set up many other
directories and files.
I don't know whether this is significant or just a Ubunto naming feature.

GeorgeL

Re: 64bit Lyx 1.6.4 cannot view postscript

[george legge]

Progress report on Lyx with 64bit Suse 11:
There have been no further comments on this problem of not being able to
view a postscript file, because Lyx "could not find header file tex.pro".
This inability to find the file is despite the file being present and able
to be read with cat.
I thought the problem might be that the file was not in a local directory;
so I copied it across, with no effect.
I applied, saved, reconfigured and texhashed to no effect.
Finally I inserted the correct paths in Path prefix and success: I can now
view in postscript as well as the previously available dvi and pdf and can
print from all.
Thank for suggestions. I shall press on with my trial of Memoir.

Cheers, GeorgeL

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:35 AM, rgheck  wrote:

> On 03/31/2010 04:18 PM, george legge wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:19 AM, rgheck  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> I don't know myself. Let me try to bring Uwe in here. He knows more about
> this kind of thing. Or JMarc?
>
> rh
>
>

Lyx on Mac OS X for DocBook

[George Brackett]

I've been trying for quite a number of hours to get Lyx configured on my OS
X 10.3 Mac so that I can use it to write DocBook documents.  I've installed
sgmltools-2.02 using configure/make/make install.  I've installed all the
software recommended on Lyx/Mac
(http://members.cox.net/18james/lyx_on_aqua.html).  I've restarted Lyx and
Reconfigured a number of times. Still no dice.  If I request a new
template-based article using the docbook article template, I'm informed that
the docbook class is missing.

Help!  How can I solve this problem?  Any responses much appreciated...

George

One-column page in two-column book?

[George Ellenburg]

Hello,
I have a book that I'm writing using the standard Book document layout, 
with each chapter as separate include files.

In the defaults for the layout, the book is set for two columns.  
However, there is one chapter at the very beginning (a prologue) that 
I'd prefer to be typeset as one column.

Is there any way to override the default layout for a single file/ 
chapter only?

Regards,
--
George Ellenburg


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[George Ellenburg]

Hello,
While using the default book document class, I've been experimenting 
with trying to insert a small graphic on the title-page, and on the 
separate pages for Parts, etc.  preferably centered; but have had 
little luck.

LyX 1.3.4 wants to insert the graphic onto its own page.
Has anyone been able to accomplish this?  Or, is anyone aware of a 
document layout which supports this type of thing?

Document layout is set for two-column, two-sided, and as Ingar 
Pareliussen suggested, some of the pages are prefixed with \onecolumn 
and \twocolumn to override the two-column global layout.

Any thoughts and insight would be greatly appreciated.
Best regards,
--
George Ellenburg


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Inserting 1/2, 3/4, etc. characters

[George Ellenburg]

Hello.
Can someone tell me how I can insert "1/2" as in "8 1/2" or "3/4" as in 
"7 3/4" into a LyX document?

They're supposed to be actual characters to represent one-half and 
three-quarters, such as Â, â, â, Â, Â, etc.

Regards,
---
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Re: Inserting 1/2, 3/4, etc. characters

[George Ellenburg]

Thanks for the quick response.  As per my earlier message I found what  
I needed, but these two documents may prove useful none the less in the  
future.  Thanks again!

On Sep 20, 2004, at 2:08 PM, Roland Schmitz wrote:
Hi,
Am Montag, 20. September 2004 19:55 schrieb George Ellenburg:
Can someone tell me how I can insert "1/2" as in "8 1/2" or "3/4" as  
in
"7 3/4" into a LyX document?

They're supposed to be actual characters to represent one-half and
three-quarters, such as Â, â, â, Â, Â, etc.
if you're looking for special characters, take a look at
http://ftp.uni-koeln.de/tex/info/symbols/comprehensive/symbols-a4.pdf
or
http://ftp.uni-koeln.de/tex/info/symbols/comprehensive/symbols- 
letter.pdf

--
Thanx
Roland

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[never mind...] Re: Inserting 1/2, 3/4, etc. characters

[George Ellenburg]

Never mind.  The problem I was experiencing was when I was using the 
keyboard combinations to enter the fractional numbers, they were 
showing up as rectangle boxes in LyX, but it I used the Character 
Palette and pasted the fractions in that way that seemed to solve the 
problem.

Sorry for the trouble.
On Sep 20, 2004, at 1:55 PM, George Ellenburg wrote:
Hello.
Can someone tell me how I can insert "1/2" as in "8 1/2" or "3/4" as 
in "7 3/4" into a LyX document?

They're supposed to be actual characters to represent one-half and 
three-quarters, such as Â, â, â, Â, Â, etc.

Regards,
---
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Issues with Table of Contents

[George Leach]

Hello fellow LyX users,
I'm currently heading for a last minute deadline and have found a couple of 
small hitches with my document in LyX. I was hoping I might get some help 
(one can but try). If people would like to see the document before 
commenting please just ask and I'll be willing to send it asap.

Firstly and foremost. I'm having difficulties with ToC. I have my document 
in "book" environment and have set out 4 or 5 chapters using solely 
description, enumerate, itemize, section, subsection, subsection*, chapter, 
and chapter*. I included the TOC button just below my title and when I hit 
view DVIblank..CONTENTS and then an empty page...Any ideas (I have 
checked the document settings>numbering>ToC = 5)?

Secondly. I guess I'm trying to have my cake and eat it. (I expect the 
'proof' environment doesn't work within 'Book' ) I would like to add some 
nice proof symbols at the end of my proofs...I have found a likely contender 
for the box but cannot get the \hspace command working.

I'm a complete LaTeX newbie so could any responses be as comprehensive in 
LaTeX (and LyX) input as possible.
Thanks in advance
Regards
George Leach 

Re: Issues with Table of Contents

[George Leach]

Hi there,
Thanks for the replies people. The deadline has now passed and I did get the 
TOC working finally. Sadly no end of proof symbols but you can't have 
everything. I think the issue with the TOC (after a friend mentioned it 
might be the problem) was something to do with it being compiled TWICE...Not 
sure why but when I deleted all old versions of the DVI in the temp 
directory while leaving the TOC file alone the next DVI compiling had the 
TOC working. It's a strange system but it worked for me in the end.
Thanks again
George
- Original Message - 
From: "samar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "George Leach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: Issues with Table of Contents


Subject: Re: Issues with Table of Contents

I'm currently heading for a last minute deadline and have found a couple 
of
small hitches with my document in LyX. I was hoping I might get some help
(one can but try). If people would like to see the document before
commenting please just ask and I'll be willing to send it asap.

Hope the deadline hasn't passed and so this is still useful!

Firstly and foremost. I'm having difficulties with ToC. I have my 
document
in "book" environment and have set out 4 or 5 chapters using solely
description, enumerate, itemize, section, subsection, subsection*, 
chapter,
and chapter*. I included the TOC button just below my title and when I 
hit
view DVIblank..CONTENTS and then an empty page...Any ideas (I have
checked the document settings>numbering>ToC = 5)?
I dont know if you have the choice of book (koma script) In that case 
instead of using
chapter* you should use addchap. This will permit the entry to be seen in 
the TOC. There
are other ways of showing entriesin the TOC but this is one of  the 
simpler ones.

That sounds strange. Have you definitely got your chapters and things
selected as the versions sans asterisk? I think only the numbered
entries will show up in your TOC. Also, have you definitely got a
title page in? I had a problem before where my TOC field had ended up
in the author field, causing all sorts of problems. Might be worthing
deleting it and adding it in again a little later in the document,
just to see if something along those lines is the problem

Secondly. I guess I'm trying to have my cake and eat it. (I expect the
'proof' environment doesn't work within 'Book' ) I would like to add some
nice proof symbols at the end of my proofs...I have found a likely 
contender
for the box but cannot get the \hspace command working.

Sorry, no ideas here

I'm a complete LaTeX newbie so could any responses be as comprehensive in
LaTeX (and LyX) input as possible.
Thanks in advance
Me too, but hopefully that helped anyway!
If you would like to send your document I would be willing to look through 
the problems
you are having.

samar

Re: Anyone know of a best-seller written in LyX

[Stephen George]

On 12/06/2013 1:02 AM, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:

of course he's right, but then he can google what DILLIGAF stands
for :-)-O

No he can't, with comments like
/"open source programs have great appeal for people who want to tinker 
with computers but almost none for those who actually want to do 
something."/


He would not be able to use Google as it is running open source 
programs, and he wouldn't use it as it's against his principles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_platform
/"//Servers are //commodity-class 
x86 
PCs 
//running customized 
versions of //Linux //."/


Further to that, finding a book with good amazon ranking would also be 
useless, as Amazon is also running open source, so he also would NOT use 
that service.

http://news.cnet.com/2100-1001-275155.html

In fact he probably doesn't do much web surfing with the open source 
Apache dominating the HTTP internet server market

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_HTTP_Server
/"Since April 1996 Apache has been the most popular HTTP server software 
in use. As of December 2012 Apache was estimated to serve 63.7% of all 
active //websites //and 58.49% of 
the top servers across all domains"//

/
There is a big chance the writers forum were he made those comments is 
also powered by an open source program.


Sorry for the outburst, I just can't believe how polarised some people 
are against open source programs.
Personally I dont think you should feed him with fuel, just let it drop 
and continue on with your own life using the programs you enjoy, I dont 
think you have anything to prove. (but I do understand the sense of 
outrage after hearing the comments)


Steve

Re: Question #2: Printed results from LyX

[Stephen George]

On 30/08/2013 1:49 PM, Ken Springer wrote:

On 8/29/13 8:08 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

When doing stochastic screening, the ideal is to screen at the same 
dpi as the final printing device.  Next best is an even multiple.  
I.E. screen at 300 dpi for printing on a 600 dpi printer.  You also 
have to decide on the finished physical size of the graphic before you 
start.


I used to use the regular graphic in all the drafts.  When I was 
satisfied with everything, then I applied the stochastic screen.



I just searched Inscape+"stochastic screening" and got a bunch of
useless stuff including an anti-Obama site (what, how'd Google do
that?). Then I did the same thing for LaTeX, nothing ontopic for us.
Same thing with "Computer monitors". One site said most inkjet printers
use stochastic screening.


I suspect all home printers and laser printers now have some kind of 
stochastic screening routines in their printer drivers.  But, I've not 
tested the idea.




An interesting discussion, but a question about Stochastic screening 
from someone who has only just heard of it.


Is this screening  something done at print driver level, and not a 
screen applied to the graphic itself prior to importing? ... therefore 
the same pdf file could be printed both with and without stochastic 
screening if the printer/driver support it?


Steve

Overlining

[George E Sollish]

I have a requirement in transcribing some Tudor text for 'overlining' 
certain strings of letters within the document proper.  I see that I can 
use the \overline command in math mode, but is there some equivalent in 
text mode, or an alternative?


Thanks.

George E SollishChief Engineer  Auto Gear Equipment
Project Manager The Payne Lake Project

Re: Overlining

[George E Sollish]

Hi Jaime,

That looks like what I was looking for!  Thanks.

George E SollishChief Engineer  Auto Gear Equipment
Project Manager The Payne Lake Project

On Mon, 6 Mar 2006, Jaime Díaz-Deus Fernández wrote:


Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 20:33:07 +0100
From: Jaime Díaz-Deus Fernández <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: George E Sollish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Subject: Re: Overlining

El lun, 06-03-2006 a las 11:39 -0500, George E Sollish escribió:

I have a requirement in transcribing some Tudor text for 'overlining'
certain strings of letters within the document proper.  I see that I can
use the \overline command in math mode, but is there some equivalent in
text mode, or an alternative?

Thanks.

George E SollishChief Engineer  Auto Gear Equipment
Project Manager The Payne Lake Project


The umoline package.

Problems with LyX 1.5.1 on Ubuntu 7.10

[George De Bruin]

I'm seeing a couple of issues with LyX 1.5.1 on XUbuntu 7.10 (Gutsy) that I
don't have a solution for...  The package is from the Ubuntu repositories.
The two issues are:

(1) It appears to be really slow when trying to scroll text on the screen.
It's not horrible, but its not as fast as the 1.4.x series.

(2) For some reason, I can go into a dialog once and only once per session.
For example, the preferences dialog, or the document settings dialog.
Basically, I can go in once, make changes, hit apply, make more changes, hit
apply, etc.  But, as soon as I either hit save or close, I can't go back
into the dialog.  Once I restart LyX I can repeat the process.

The strange thing about #2 is that I would have thought it was a qt resource
issue that would affect other parts of the system, but it doesn't appear
to.  I can open the Outline, Output, command line windows with issue.
Detach, re-attach them, close, re-open, etc.

I'm baffled, especially by #2.  I tried starting LyX from a terminal, hoping
to get some error output that might point me in the right direction.  There
wasn't any.

I tried grabbing the .deb for 1.5.2 from the lyx.org site, but couldn't get
it to install.  GDebi told me that it wasn't a valid package.

Any hints or clues?

// George

---
Faster moments spent spread tales of change within the sound...

Re: Problems with LyX 1.5.1 on Ubuntu 7.10

[George De Bruin]

rgheck wrote:

George De Bruin wrote:
I'm seeing a couple of issues with LyX 1.5.1 on XUbuntu 7.10 (Gutsy) 
that I don't have a solution for...  The package is from the Ubuntu 
repositories. The two issues are:


(1) It appears to be really slow when trying to scroll text on the 
screen.

It's not horrible, but its not as fast as the 1.4.x series.

  
Try 1.5.3. Some work has been done on scrolling, and a LOT more is to 
come in 1.6.
I would, but I don't see a .deb out there for it.  (Either in the Ubuntu 
repos, or on ftp.lyx.org)  And I really don't want to compile from the 
source... I've tried to install the 1.5.2 .deb, but keep getting the 
message:


   Failed to open the software package
   The package might be corrupted or you are not allowed to open the 
file. Check the permissions of the file.


I tried uninstalling the 1.5.1 package first, then installing the 1.52, 
but get the same message.  I've double checked the permissions, and they 
are okay.  and, I've downloaded it 3 times, each time the file sizes are 
identical, and the md5sum's are the same.


I just tried two more things: uninstalling 1.5.1 first.  Still no luck.  
Then I tried disabling AppArmor, still no luck. I've gone back to 1.5.1 
for the moment (it actually works...just oddly).
(2) For some reason, I can go into a dialog once and only once per 
session. For example, the preferences dialog, or the document 
settings dialog. Basically, I can go in once, make changes, hit 
apply, make more changes, hit apply, etc.  But, as soon as I either 
hit save or close, I can't go back into the dialog.  Once I restart 
LyX I can repeat the process.


  

Don't know about this one. CC'ing lyx-devel.
Yeah, this is the one that's *really* strange and baffling to me.  I 
should clarify: I don't have to open a document, and I don't have to 
make any changes in the dialog for this to happen.  I also tried 
executing the dialog from the command buffer: dialog-show document / 
preferences.  Neither of those work either.


And, just so the dev guys see this: I've tried running LyX from a 
terminal: there are no error messages.


// George

Re: Problems with LyX 1.5.1 on Ubuntu 7.10

[George De Bruin]

rgheck wrote:
Hmm. That's very strange. The Ubuntu people should really get with it. 
It's one thing being slow to update major versions---Debian etch is 
still at 1.4.3---but it's criminal not to keep up with minor version 
updates.



And I really don't want to compile from the source...
I don't know why it hasn't been updated yet...I'm a bit surprised 
looking at the release dates.


But compiling from source isn't difficult with LyX. You don't need 
that much, and we'll help. ;-)
Not a difficulty issue -- I know how to grab a source tarball, compile 
and install...  Just don't want to have a non-packaged installation.  
I've just gotten to the point where I have too many other things to 
maintain that I don't need to go beyond the multiverse repositories. ;-)


// George

Re: Problems with LyX 1.5.1 on Ubuntu 7.10

[George De Bruin]

Ignacio García wrote:

What deb package are you trying?
I have downloaded and installed on Ubuntu 7.10 the dapper version
with no problems. I'm using it from october.

ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/bin/1.5.2/lyx-1.5.2-1_dapper_i386.deb
  

Okay,

I tried the package you mentioned, and it installed.  The package I had 
tried was the i386 package. Odd this one installs, but the other 
doesn't.  The scrolling is a lot better with this version.


More odd: I still have the same dialog problem.  This time I got the 
following message on the terminal: "PreferencesPolicy: No transition for 
input SMI_RESTORE from state INITIAL"


But, I only got it one time.  However, in looking up the message, I see 
that it has occurred before, about a year ago: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg110524.html


I also tried re-installing the qt4 libraries to see if there was 
something wrong with the installation - but nothing has changed.


// George

Re: Problems with LyX 1.5.1 on Ubuntu 7.10

[George De Bruin]

rgheck wrote:

Probably unrelated.

Can you create a new user and see if LyX works right for her?


Okay,

Interesting - now have it down to the root problem: window manager.  I 
normally use pekwm as my window manager.  However, when I set up the new 
user, it went to the system default: Xfce.  I then went back to my 
normal user, and switched back to Xfce, and it worked.


Sorry I didn't mention this earlier.  I honestly didn't think it was the 
cause of the issue...  Never had it get in the way of LyX before...


// George

Re: Incoming 1.5.3 binaries for debian/ubuntu distributions

[George De Bruin]

Christopher Menzel wrote:

On Jan 17, 2008, at 5:41 AM, Sam Lewis wrote:

ftp Available LyX 1.5.3 checkinstall packages for *etch* and *dapper* on
ftp.devel.lyx.org/pub/incoming/

lyx_1.5.3-1_i386_dapper.deb
lyx_1.5.3-1_i386_etch.deb


Are we to assume negation as failure here or are there already 
packages available for feisty and gutsy somewhere?


So far, the only Ubuntu native package of 1.5.3 I've seen has been in 
the Hardy repositories - which has dependencies that Gutsy doesn't 
satisfy.  (I haven't looked at backports.org yet....)


// George

Re: Incoming 1.5.3 binaries for debian/ubuntu distributions

[George De Bruin]

So, I guess this situation leaves me in kind of a foobar snafu:

(1) The current distribution official release in Ubuntu Gutsy is 1.5.1
(2) 1.5.3 is only available in Ubuntu Hardy, and has dependencies not 
satisfied by Gutsy


So, given this scenario, and the fact that the performance of 1.5.1 is 
unacceptable (it doesn't scroll well, and it can't keep up with my 
typing), I guess I am out of luck.


Maybe this is for the better...  While I've enjoyed using LyX over the 
past eight years, it has become increasingly noticeable that it is a 
less than optimal solution for me.  Why?


(1) When I started most distro's still installed some form of TeX by 
default.  They don't now.  So, when I install LyX, I also need a TeX 
installation (not necessarily a bad thing, given the typsetting 
capabilities of TeX/LaTeX).


(2) When I started with LyX, the primary toolkit in use was still 
xforms.  The idea was to eventually have both a qt and gtk+ versions.  
However, as things have progressed, it seems that gtk+ has fallen off 
the map (understandably, no one wants to work on it).  Unfortunately, as 
I've refined my configurations, all of the applications I really need 
are gtk+ based, so maintaining an installation of qt for a sinlge 
applications seems a bit more than silly.


(3) Duplication of applications: I still have to be able to work with MS 
Word / Excel documents, and I can't afford to do a lot of back-and-forth 
conversion and lose the styles in the Word documents.  So, this has 
meant maintaining either AbiWord & Gnumeric, or OpenOffice.org on my system.


So, the point is, this current packaging issue has just tipped the 
scales past the point of being reasonable.  It's just gotten to the 
point where maintaining LyX on my system has become (a) costly in terms 
of disk space and resources used, (b) now is costing me time, (c) and is 
actually interfering in my work.


So, it's time to set LyX aside.  It's been fun using LyX for these past 
eight years, but now it's time to move on.


Bye!

// George

LyX/KLyX Assistance

[George De Bruin]

I have run into a problem that I am not certain where to turn for help to...
Although so far, I can say that I have not been able to find the information
that I need to solve the problem.  Being only recently acquainted with
LyX/KLyX.

The problems appear to be multi-fold:

- In KLyX the Preview / Print and Fax items on the File menu cannot be
selected.
- In KLyX if I try to export a file as DVI, I recieve a message about there not
being a log file.
- However, I can export to a LaTeX file, then create a DVI from a shell prompt.

- Separate (but semi-related issue) once I have created a DVI, I can view it
with XDVI, but cannot view it with KDVI.

It seems kind of obvious here that something isn't set up properly in KLyX, but
I am not certain what it is.  I do know that KLyX is installed in the
/opt/kde/bin directory, and teTeX is installed in /op/teTex.

Can someone tell me what I might be missing here?  (I have the feeling that it
should be something extremely simple.)  If not, could someone possibly direct
me to someplace that I could get detailed information on how to go about
tracking down the problem, and what to do to resolve it.  (I looked at the KLyX
Configuration documentation, but was confused by it at best...again, I guess I
am just a little too knew with this...)

Thanks in advance for any assistance

Re: spellchecker feature suggestion

[George De Bruin]

On Wednesday 14 February 2001 17:28, you wrote:
> robin wrote:
> > Christopher Jones wrote:
> > > When I spell a word wrong, I tend to spell it consistently wrong. A
> > > 'correct all' feature in the spellchecker would be nice.
> >
> > But dangerous ;-)
>
> why?

Well, think about correcting something like the word 'to' when you meant
'too' and accidentally selecting 'correct all'.  Could be rather annoying
having to go through your document and find all of the 'too''s and try to fix
the ones that were wrong.

Personally, I still like the idea, but can see where it could be dangerous.
I just think that it would have to be carefully implemented.  Possibly have
an extra prompt before doing the correction on the whole document...

// George

Newbie Questions

[George De Bruin]

Hello,

I am fairly new to LyX, and am having a bit of a problem figuring out how to 
do something(s).

What I am trying to format is a 'book' of 'poetry'.  Currently I am using the 
book (koma script) document class.  I've marked the title of each poem using 
the \layout Chapter* formatting, as that places each piece on a new page and 
doesn't number them. (I also changed the format to one sidedi nstead of two 
sided to avoid getting a bunch of extra blank pages).

Okay, so far, so good...  Only exception is: using Chapter* no entries are 
created in the TOC.  Even though these entries aren't numbered, I do want 
them in the table of contents.  So, that is the question: how do I get the 
Chapter* formatting to create entries in the table of contents?

Thanks for any help!

// George

Re: spellchecker feature suggestion

[George De Bruin]

On Wednesday 14 February 2001 17:14, Christopher Jones wrote:

> Annother feature would be the option to remove words you added to your
> dictionary. Because I am sloppy at 3.00 in the morning, I sometimes hit
> "add to dictionary" on a word that shouldn't be added. That word then keeps
> coming up in the list of suggestions, and it gets missed on subsequent
> spellchecks.

Yes, I second this suggestion.  It is definitely desirable that we be able to 
maintain our word lists easily to handle situations like this.

> Then again, if I weren't so lazy I would just go to my personal dictionary
> and take it out. Or I could just be more carefull. So maybe this is a
> confession and not a feature suggestoin ;-)

  We all have things like this at times don't we -- especially when 
they've just happened to us.  Of course, that doesn't mean that suggesting 
such a feature is out of line as it could your life, and others lives easier.

// George

Re: Newbie Questions

[George De Bruin]

On Thursday 15 February 2001 18:54, Dekel Tsur wrote:

> Use Chapter instead of Chapter*.
> Then open the document dialog, and set the "section number depth" to -1.

This is really, really close.  I see now that the TOC menu and Edit->Table of 
Contents do show the entries.  However, when I generate a DVI there isn't a 
table of contents.  

I  wonder if I need to include Herbert's suggestion of adding

\addcontentsline{toc}{chapter}{YourChapterTitle}

With this formatting to make it work?

Hmm, doesn't look like it.  I just tried it and it had no effect.

// George

Re: Newbie Questions

[George De Bruin]

On Friday 16 February 2001 18:49, Dekel Tsur wrote:

> Did you put a TOC in the document using the
> insert->list&toc->table_of_contents menu ?
>
> Maybe you did something else wrong.
> See the attached example file.

  That was exactly it.  Just inserted it and it works 
perfectly.  I thought I had looked at the insert menu for that, but just 
must've missed it.  (Yes, I really do need to read the docs...that's next on 
the list...:)

Thanks Dekel!

// George

Re: Yet another lyx guide

[George De Bruin]

On Sunday 18 February 2001 09:40, robin wrote:

> It's aimed at university students and staff, so doesn't have anything
> about letter class etc. - it's just something to get people started in
> the right direction and give a brief taste of some of the things that
> can be done with lyx.  Feedback welcome!

Hi Robin,

Just took a quick look at your LyX guide, and it's very nice.  I do actually 
have a suggestion: Possibly add a quick ref to the templates available and 
how they correspond for different types of documents -- especially research 
papers.  I'm certain that would grab a students attention ("What?  All my 
papers are pre-formatted -- I just do the typing? Cool!").

Also, on another topic well suited / related to student interests (but, 
admittedly on my list as well...) would be setting up BibTeX and a 
Bibliography database.  That would be extra useful, and I could see students 
saying "what, I don't have to format all those references by hand" :)

// George

Re: LyX deletes text

[George De Bruin]

> | > It should certainly be off -- your documents are not supposed to be
> | > executable, are they?
>
> 
> #!/usr/bin/lyx
> #LyX 1.1. create...
> \lyxformat ...
> 
>
> would perhaps work
> (It did work!)

Yup, it did work  I just had to try it. 

(Related but not the same...)

For the fun of it, I also tried adding a KDE association for *.lyx files...  
That works too.  However, for each file I start using Konqueror it starts a 
new instance of LyX.  Is there a way to get it to pass the file(s) to a 
single instance of LyX?

// George

Re: LyX deletes text

[George De Bruin]

On Friday 02 March 2001 11:33, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> > add: "#!
>
> Problem with this approach is of course that one needs to know the full
> path to the LyX binary...

Which can be found by typing 'which lyx' on the command line...:)

// George

Re: Missing \begin{document}

[George De Bruin]

> > I downloaded and installed lyx-1.1.6fix1 and when I try to process
> > (convert to LaTeX od print) the file I get the error message:
> >
> > \missing{begin{document}
> >
> > The problem is that the program sometime before `beginning' the
> > document, calls the file english.cfg.
> > How can tjis be fixed?
>
> This might be the result of an unclosed { in the preamble.

While this may be true, might I suggest then that there is something going 
wrong between LyX 1.1.5 and 1.1.6?  I have a number of files that I was 
working on in 1.1.5 that never exhibited this problem, but the moment I 
opened them in 1.1.6 they started exhibiting this exact same problem.

If my memory serves me correctly, this is not the only time I have heard this 
mentioned on the list. 

// George

Re: Missing \begin{document}

[George De Bruin]

> > > > I downloaded and installed lyx-1.1.6fix1 and when I try to process
> > > > (convert to LaTeX od print) the file I get the error message:
> > > >
> > > > \missing{begin{document}
> > > >
> > > > The problem is that the program sometime before `beginning' the
> > > > document, calls the file english.cfg.
> > > > How can tjis be fixed?
> > >
> > > This might be the result of an unclosed { in the preamble.
> >
> > While this may be true, might I suggest then that there is something
> > going wrong between LyX 1.1.5 and 1.1.6?  I have a number of files that I
> > was working on in 1.1.5 that never exhibited this problem, but the moment
> > I opened them in 1.1.6 they started exhibiting this exact same problem.
>
> Do you have an example document ?
>
> One difference between 1.1.5 and 1.1.6 is that the latter always use babel,
> but I don't know if that is the cause of the problem.

Hi Dekel,

I did some checking, and I found some validity in Nick Burgan's message: the 
documents that are still stored in my ~/gdb/My Documents directory still show 
this problem. (A short example attached at the end of this message.)  This 
same document, when placed in ~/gdb does not show this problem.  However, I 
know that in the past other documents in my ~/gdb directory have shown this 
problem as well.  However, since that time, I have done as others suggested 
and opened the LyX files in emacs to check for any mangled contents.  And, I 
think I even this did not resolve the problem.

If my memory serves me, I went ahead and re-imported the files into a new 
file to correct the problem. (Then I went ahead and removed the old file, and 
renamed the new file to the old name.)  During the import process, I do 
recall seeing babel files in my home directory, but believe that I removed 
them as I did the rest of the cleanup.



Re: Missing \begin{document}
From: Nick Burgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:45:44 +1030

[...]

When I first installed 1.1.6fix1 I was having the same problem. After messing 
around for ages what seemed to be causing the problem was that I had a space 
in the name of the directory in which the file was located. If you remove any 
spaces or other strange characters (dashes "-" etc ) from the everywhere in 
the directory tree of the file the problem goes away. Or if you move the file 
to another appropriately named directory and open it from there, there is no 
problem.

I hope this is of some help

-



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Re: Re(2): Bibliography gone?

[George De Bruin]

On Monday 19 March 2001 h:m:s, you wrote:

> >Where can I find Pybliographic?  I searched around on several of the
> >Linux oriented sites (Freshmeat, linux.com, etc) but was unable to find
> >it...
> >Is this a commercial product?
> >
> >Thanks for any assistance!
> >
> found with "pybliographic rpm" by Google

Hi Niels,

After another quick search over on FreshMeat, I found it.  (Don't remember 
what I changed this time, but it came up...:)  In fact, I actually got to the 
home page for Pybliographer.

And, I found version 1.0.7-1 as an rpm (I think there was a tgz and deb 
package as well...)

Thanks again!

// George

Re: libforms (see also Help! from Wahyu Nugroho)

[George De Bruin]

On Wednesday 21 March 2001 h:m:s, you wrote:

> the problem of  Wahyu Nugroho is even worse with Mandrake. After eventually
> finding a LyX rpm for Mandrake, the installation needed xforms, but
> Mandrake provides no xforms. Therefore I installed one from SuSE. After
> installing LyX, starting LyX complained about not finding libforms.0.89
> although it was on the system. So I tried Murilo Juchem's hint (Re: need
> quick help). But that didn't help either, because libforms.0.89 was not in
> /X11/... but in .../X11R6/... . Eventually I got LyX started. This all
> shows, that LyX itself should find libforms.0.8x.

Ummm, sorry for being a bit behind on this one, but what version of Mandrake 
is being referred to here?  If it is Mandrake 7.2 I managed to get it 
working...without the major procedure listed above.  Here's a message that I 
posted in a newsgroup about getting it working...  The message is a bit long 
winded, but explains the whole process I went through and how I tracked down 
the problem...  If anyone has anything to add, or anything that I did wrong 
in getting it working, please let me know...

---

I think I solved this issue the other night...  At least something that 
worked for me

I needed to install the new version of LyX (1.1.6Fix1), which Mandrake has 
in the cooker.  But, when I went to install it, it said that it needed the 
newer libstdc++, so I downloaded and installed it.  However, that started 
breaking every application left and right.

Finally, I was going to uninstall it, so I went out to a console and wanted 
to run man on rpm...  Well, an error popped up stating that it couldn't 
call libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3.  So, I looked in /usr/lib and found the 
following (note - I chopped off the beginning of the lines to make them 
format nicely): 

24 Mar  4 01:28 libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 -> libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3*
30 Mar  4 01:28 libstdc++-libc6.2-2.a.3 -> libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.a
31 Mar  4 01:28 libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 -> libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.so*

Well, seeing as there was an entry for libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2, and the 
entry for libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 I surmised that a similar link was 
needed for libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3.  So, I created the following link:

31 Mar  4 01:51 libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 -> libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.so*

Now, I probably really should have pointed this to libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 
instead of directly to the libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.so target, however 
it did solve the problem.  All of my applications are still working, and I 
have my updated LyX installation (that was sorely needed...), and I haven't 
seen any problems since creating this link.

Now, in case you're wondering: this happened last Saturday, so my system 
has been up and running for a week with this link installed.  Now maybe I 
can get a little more ambitious and update a few other apps from the Cooker 
code...(assuming I don't run into any other major dependency problems).

---

Now: this has actually been 3 or 4 weeks ago that I went through the original 
situation.  I haven't had any problems since then, so I think I am fairly 
safe to say that things are working just fine...  It sounds like you just 
need to use the copy of LyX that Mandrake has in the Cooker, assuming that 
the distro is 7.2.

// George

Re: Figure list entries

[George De Bruin]

On Thursday 22 March 2001 h:m:s, Herbert Voss wrote:

> have a look at
>
> http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/~lyx/caption.html#short

Is this the right URL, Herb?  I tried to pull it up but get a 'Not Found' 
error message  Ahh, I found it:

http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/caption.html#short

(The extra ~ was throwing things off...)

// George

Re: Where to download teTeX - 1.07

[George De Bruin]

On Saturday 31 March 2001 h:m:s, Stephen Liu wrote:

> Mandrake 7.2
[...]
> it required the installation of the file teTex-1.07.   Kindly advise from
> where I can download it.

Hi Stephen, 

It's definitely on the CD's - just need to look more closely  I'm running 
Mandrake 7.2 here - did a full install and got tetex and lyx...

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Re: Where to download teTeX - 1.07

[George De Bruin]

On Sunday 01 April 2001 05:40, Stephen Liu wrote:

> Thanks for your advice.  I found it on the CD finally.   But I still could
> not start LyX after installation.  I did following steps;

Hi Stephen,

Have you gone into DrakConf and started the Package Manager (rpmdrake)?  Try 
looking in the Office folder in there and see if LyX is installed?  Check 
under both the "Installing" and "Uninstalling" options.  If it shows up under 
"Uninstalling", look for /usr/bin/lyx.

Hope this helps!

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Master Documents?

[George De Bruin]

I'm using LyX version 1.1.6Fix1.

I have a master document that includes three files (I've tried both Article 
and Book class to see if it made a difference: it didn't).  The includes are 
preceeded by a title, author and TOC.  All of the include files are Article 
class LyX files.

In the master document, I execute View->PDF.  The PDF file is compiled and 
displayed.  Everything is fine, the table of contents is generated, etc.

Then I go ahead and load the 2nd include file, edit it, and save the file.  
Do the same with the 3rd include file.

Go back to the master and execute View->PDF again.  The resulting PDF file is 
not updated.  The changes made to the 2nd and 3rd documents aren't included.

This was where I experimented with changing between article and book class on 
the master document to see if it made a difference: it didn't.  The updated 
files weren't compiled into the PDF file.

I should also note here, that all of the files are in the same directory.  
And the directory doesn't have an spaces in the path: ~/gdb/LinuxDesktop

At this point I decided that may I needed to force an update to the PDF file. 
 So, I went ahead and executed View->Update->PDF, then tried View->PDF.  Same 
result, the PDF file wasn't updated with the include file.

Now, on a whim, I switched the includes to inputs, then saved the master and 
did a View->PDF again.  This time the output PDF file *was* updated.  So, I 
switched the inputs back to includes and again executed View->PDF, and again 
the output PDF file was actually updated (and is different from the input 
version because of the page breaks...).

What is going on here?

(I have to mention an irony here...  The third document in this set is an 
article about LyX!)

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Re: Master Documents?

[George De Bruin]

On Wednesday 02 May 2001 11:52, Herbert Voss wrote:


> > Go back to the master and execute View->PDF again.  The resulting PDF
> > file is not updated.  The changes made to the 2nd and 3rd documents
> > aren't included.
>
> also 1.1.6fix1 with 8 include-files, editing the second, saving,
> switching to master and ctrl-shift-D gives correct dvi.

Hi Herb,

Hmmm, it's still not working here.  More details in my message to Dekel.

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Re: Master Documents?

[George De Bruin]

On Thursday 03 May 2001 03:54, Dekel Tsur wrote:


> You have found a bug in LyX.

 I'm a little more convinced of this now.  However:

> It happens since your first (and perhaps second) included files are short
> (less than a page). I'll fix this bug soon, but for the meantime, you can
> add \wlog{} in tex mode after the 1st and 2nd include insets.

This didn't fix the problem.

I'm now up to 9 include files.  So, I added the \wlog{} before and after each 
of the includes.  The first time I did a View->PDF, it worked.  However, then 
editing the last file and Viewing again, didn't work.

So, I tried just changing the last file to an input, and it worked.  Then 
changed it back to an include, changed the last file, did a View->PDF and it 
worked.  (Note the main point is that I only had to change the one file to an 
input, whereas before I thought I had to change them all.)

I then repeated this process, making changes to just the 2nd include file, 
and toggling the last include in the master to an input.  Same result: as 
long as I switched between input and include, the changes would appear.  But 
if I didn't change between input and include, the changes wouldn't appear.

Hmmm.  I would be almost willing to speculate that it has something to do 
with the master document.  But what, exactly, I don't have a clue.

I can add the following: I haven't made any modifications to the preamble (in 
any of the documents).  All documents are article class.  I have made a few 
changes to page geometry (ie, mainly the setting the margins to 1 inch), 
double spaced, fonts set to pslatex, double sided pages, fancy headers turned 
on.  These are global settings in my document template.

Quick description of the files:

Master document is short: Title, Author, Table of Contents and include files.
The 1st-3rd include files are longer: 6pgs, 3pgs, 2pgs.  Start with section 
header.
The 4th-9th include files are short <1 page, start with section header.

If you'd like, I can tar up the files and send them to you.  Shouldn't be all 
that large. (The whole contents of the directory is about 76K right now - but 
it will get a bit larger as I add to it...:), and that includes backup 
files...)
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Re: Importing text tips

[George De Bruin]

On Tuesday 22 May 2001 16:53, Kathryn Andersen wrote:

> Just thought I'd share a few things I've found out in the course of my
> intensive LyX investigations...

Hi Kathryn,

Just wanted to thank you for this information.  I have a lot of documents 
that I need to convert from another word processing package to LyX, and this 
may just be the ticket to get those files converted without losing all of the 
more important formatting (even though it is simple formatting, in the 
documents I have converted, it has taken hours to put it back in place).

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Re: sorting tables?

[George De Bruin]

On Wednesday 23 May 2001 04:54, Robin Turner wrote:

> front-end for 'nix hackers, little features like sortable lists will make a
> lot of difference.  I'm not advocating feature-bloat (if I want that, I can
> download Star Office!) just a few bits and bobs to make life easier.

Of course, this is also something that could be implemented with the 
integration of a good scripting language in LyX. :) That way, it could also 
be customized / tailored to the user's specific needs.

Okay, just had to get a word in for my favorite LyX wishlist item. :))

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Re: sorting tables?

[George De Bruin]

On Wednesday 23 May 2001 06:56, Baruch Even wrote:

> Hopefully in the future we will have an embedded scripting language in LyX
> and features like this one will be implementable with it. This will
> satisfy the feature-bloat proponents and the feature-bloat opponents, you
> will be able to use such features if you want and you will be able to
> disable the scripting language altogether if you dont want any of this.

Even better: you will be able to chose which extension packages you want to 
use with LyX, if any!  I can see a great deal of power in this...  For 
example having a scipt that lets me query a database, build and sort a table 
and insert the results in LyX in a single step.  Certainly this could be done 
with the many tools available under Unix, however it's certainly going to be 
more complicated than desirable in some situations (such as building 
invoices, bills, etc.)

Of course there are many more examples where a scripting language would be 
useful, but I won't get into them. :)

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Re: sorting tables?

[George De Bruin]

On Wednesday 23 May 2001 11:17, Baruch Even wrote:

> To follow up on these comments and enthusiasm (and a developers
> discussion), what is the language of choice for such an embedded
> scripting language is from your perspective?
>
> Several options that were raised (and I rememeber) include Icon,
> Lisp, Scheme and Python.

Personally, I liked the concept of implementing this to support multiple 
languages so you could chose your own.  (Not only do people have personal 
preferences, but they may also have existing code bases that they want or 
need to integrate new code with.)

However, if we have to chose just one, my vote would go to Python.

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Re: sorting tables?

[George De Bruin]

On Thursday 24 May 2001 07:01, Joao B. Oliveira wrote:

> Before choosing a language that will affect our (happy) LyX lives,
> what requirements are really being made on this language? I

The requirements are going to vary on a user by user basis.  For example, I 
see the examples you listed as being important (although, macro expansion is 
not quite as much a requirement for me as the others).

For me personally, the first thing that I can think of right off is the 
ability to manipulate the buffer that contains a document.  And, I would like 
to be able to manipulate it both as displayed (ie, not reading the internal 
code / structure of the document), and as stored internally (ie, with the 
document structure).  The reason for this is some scripts I would like to 
have look at the displayed text (for items like a word count script, or other 
text manipulation like swapping characters, words, lines...)

The reason for looking at the internal structure would be for things like 
looking at the cvs fields which are stored as comments, or possibly hiding my 
own information in comments that I can manipulate from a script.

So, basically, the way I see it is that we should really look more at what 
needs to be exported and provide that.  Each language should have a way to 
import the commands and structures that we export.

There is another reason that I don't want to limit the language choice: 
integration with pre-existing code bases.  For example, I may already have a 
set of scripts in perl or python that use php and mysql to dynamically 
generate web content.  If want to use LyX to author some of the information 
that I am going to put into my online database, I would like to write an 
interface script that reuses my existing perl or python code as much as 
possible. (Perl and python are only examples here, you can plug in language 
'x' for them.)

> Other question: what about enlarging (if necessary) the language
> already used in the minibuffer? It would be nice to have the same
> language being used twice.

Well, personally, I haven't found the language in the mini-buffer to be all 
that useful at this point.  I haven't found a case where I could really use 
it. However, I think what we are looking at is exporting those commands and 
functions to whatever language, as well as structures so you can 
examine/query LyX's current state, etc.

I guess the major point is to allow both: tailoring and customizing of the 
interactive editing environment, as well as providing an interface to the 
rest of the world.

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Re: sorting tables?

[George De Bruin]

On Saturday 26 May 2001 11:11, Baruch Even wrote:


> The need is for an "Official language" not necessarily a single one, but
> one that is expected to be available in most installations, possibly it
> will be available out of the box from packages. This is to make it
> possible to have a library of scripts, and to allow removing things
> currently implemented in LyX into the official scripting language.

And there couldn't be a standard 'library' of scripts in two or three (or 
more) languages?  Then you would just download the one that you want on your 
system.  I guess I just look at this and think anytime you select one 
"official" anything you open up the potential for mis-understanding or 
mis-interpretation.  Most people see things that are "official" as being an 
endorsement for, or a bias towards the "official" item.

> The implementation as I expect it to be, will not force you to use one
> language over the other, only if you want the official scripts you'll
> need the official language. There is a need however to make the

Okay, for arguments sake (from personal experience) here's the reaction this 
will get:

Why is that?  I don't have the "official" language on my system, and you are 
telling me that I have to install that language?  Mess around with my stable 
system configuration to add scripting support and get full functionality for 
an application?  Forget it.

Another reaction:

That language isn't supported at my site.  Guess I can't use it at all.
 
Guess I don't get the full functionality of LyX.

> scripting language easy enough for as many as users as possible so that
> most of the users will not need to have multiple languages in LyX.

Agreed, it needs to be as easy as possible for the "user/administrator*.  
Therefore, we should support the languages the users and administrators are 
comfortable with.  The user/administrator can then download the scripts in 
the language they are comfortable with / want to administer.

Now, I see from a development point where it will be necessary to focus on 
one or two languages for the initial implementation / testing.  But, as soon 
as that is done I think the support should be expanded to at least six or 
more languages to avoid any perception of bias.

This is the same as the concept of GUI independence. 

Just my opinion...with a little experience thrown in

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Re: Languages (was Re: sorting tables?)

[George De Bruin]

On Friday 01 June 2001 05:16, Reuben Thomas wrote:

> There's also Lua (www.lua.org), which is much smaller than python, rather

I just tried to go to this site, but couldn't connect to it...:(

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Re: sorting tables?

[George De Bruin]

Okay, I sat back for a bit on this.  I didn't want to flood you while you 
were studying Baruch...

On Sunday 27 May 2001 01:21, Baruch Even wrote:
> I understand what you say, but you need to understand the side of the
> developers too. 

Baruch, I assure you, I understand the developer's side better than you might 
know: I have been there.

> If we do not decide that a single language is the
> official language than any feature that is moved to the scripting
> languages needs to be maintained in several languages, that's too much
> work for us to do. 

This is precisely where your logic fails, Baruch.  You are assuming limited 
resources of the team.  Why not require someone to specifically maintain each 
language supported by LyX?  Make it a pre-requisite for including a language 
in LyX's scripting support.  That way, the team isn't burdened with 
supporting each of the scripting languages.

> Obviously, it is possible that some X language hacker will step up and
> maintain a second language. We have that with GUII, but we still have
> the XForms GUI as the officially sanctioned GUI. And maintaining several

I think the GUI and the scripting languages are _very_ different situations 
from what I understand of things.  LyX was very much written around it's GUI 
initially, which has made it extremely difficult for implementing different 
GUI interfaces.  Enough so that there was some talk that LyX was going to be 
restructured to be GUI independent...  A project that seems to have been 
stalled.  And, it is *highly* desirable.  Just watch the KLyX mailing list... 
 While not a high volume, it still is getting regular posts.  This indicates 
that there is still interest in have GUI's for each environment.  I think 
this interest could easily be turned to support.

I believe this also holds true of scripting language support.

> This message gets too long and I have a Real Analysis test to learn for.

I held off on responding to this for a while...  But, I hope with your 
studies completed (at least temporarily) that you had the time to re-read 
that message.  If you haven't I would ask you to (assuming that your studies 
are done for a time), the points and problems I point out there are extremely 
significant in this situation.

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Re: sorting tables?

[George De Bruin]

On Monday 28 May 2001 03:34, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> George De Bruin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> | Now, I see from a development point where it will be necessary to focus
> | on one or two languages for the initial implementation / testing.  But,
> | as soon as that is done I think the support should be expanded to at
> | least six or more languages to avoid any perception of bias.
>
> Perfect way to split development effort and get nothing done...

Lars, I don't see it this way.  Part of the reason is that I don't stay 
within the box of looking at the development, or the development team as 
being static.  If the resources of the team were limited to the current 
group, I would say you were correct.

However, as I mentioned in my message to Baruch (which I've just posted), why 
not make it a prerequisite that for each language implemented there be 
someone (preferably outside the core development team) to implement and 
maintain each language.

> Even:
> | This is the same as the concept of GUI independence.
>
> I do not quite agree, as said the scripting language would be used to
> implement _core_ functionality in LyX. 

Okay, I understand your point here.  However, think of this from the users 
side: what do they see when they start LyX: the GUI.  To the average user, 
the GUI is the program.

> IMO there should be _one_
> official scripting language that would need to have to be able to run
> lyx. The scripting language would preferably we distributed with LyX.
> _If_ someone would then like to use a different language with LyX that
> could easily be done by having a module for the official scripting
> language.

We get to disagree on this one. :)  If we go with one language, then we run 
into the current perception that is true with the GUI.  As it stands now 
(especially when you look at the website) LyX looks as if it is biased 
towards using XForms, and that very little work is being done on the GUI 
independence.  Add to that the responses on the KLyX mailing list to 
inquiries about it's functions (ie, use LyX instead) and you compound this 
impression.  You and I may know that isn't the case, but what else is a user 
going to think?

>  btw If we are not going to use the scripting language for _core_
> functions, then we can just do with the lyx server as it is now.

I'd say as a starting point it would be a good idea to allow the LyX server 
commands to be exported to a library that can be used in scripting languages. 
But eventually, it needs to include some way of querying and setting internal 
states in LyX.

(Just my opinion...:)

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Re: Languages (was Re: sorting tables?)

[George De Bruin]

On Tuesday 29 May 2001 23:46, Allan Rae wrote:

> FWIW, a number of Python folk are interested in LyX -- both for personal
> use (with python.cls etc.) and as a possible unofficial documenting tool.
> Their official documenting tools are a couple of scripts and any text
> editor and they aren't about to change that in a hurry.  I know a couple
> of people in particular who are Python gurus (one's a Python Team member)
> who would love to get their hands dirty in LyX (with Python of course).

This would appear to support the idea I was putting forth: for each language, 
we should have someone (or multiple people) interested in doing the support 
of that langauge within LyX.  That way we (a) gain their expertise, and (b) 
we don't dilute the development efforts of the LyX Team.

> Anyway, past discussions have usually ended up with Python as best because
> it's readable/writable even for newbies.  Scheme/Lisp usually dropped as a
> bad idea because no-one cares to type all the ()'s and Perl as a possible
> second language.

Would it be such a big deal if someone actually wanted to do it (ie, support 
Scheme/Lisp)?  Assuming that we make the space for them to work available, 
then we could share in knowledge, and gain from having more languages 
available.

And, this would probably work well for those interested in having Lua support 
as well

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Enumerated Lists / Comments

[George De Bruin]

Hello,

I have LyX 1.1.6Fix2 installed on my Linux Mandrake 7.2 system (thanks 
toGerman Poo C. for his RPM), and noticed a behavior that is slightly odd, 
IMO.  A similar behavior has been mentioned recently, but this one surprised 
me a little bit...

I was working in an enumerated list, and needed to insert a place mark where 
I stopped editing.  So, below the item that I had just finished, I inserted a 
comment paragraph.  I noticed that the numbering in my enumerated list was 
reset by this addition.  

I am slightly surprised by this...  I didn't think that a comment would reset 
the numbering for the list.  Is this a glitch?  Should it be this way?

It's not really going to affect me in the long run -- the comment will be 
removed when I am done editing.  However, it does make things a little odd if 
I needed to produce a copy while I was in the middle of editing because the 
re-numbering does show up in the output. (Even though the comment does not 
show up.)

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Re: Enumerated Lists / Comments

[George De Bruin]

On Thursday 07 June 2001 10:28, Dekel Tsur wrote:

> You just need to nest the comment into the enumerate by either pressing the
> "Change Env. depth" icon in the toolbar, or by pressing M-p 

 

Thanks Dekel and Jean-Marc...  That fixed it.  I should have thought of 
that

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LyX<->Palm Document Exchange....

[George De Bruin]

I just purchased a Handspring Visor Deluxe & Stowaway keyboard with the 
intention of using the system for writing.

I know the document / database format for the Palm is substantially different 
from those used on any other system, however I recall seeing tools that can 
transfer several different document formats into documents that can be read / 
edited on the Palm.

So, my plan(s) are to do something like this:

- Get a word processor for the Palm (so far, WordSmith looks like the best 
one)
- Get a major RAM upgrade (I going to put 128meg on the Palm - should be more 
than adequate for anything that I need).

Now, given these intentions, the question arises: how am I going to exchange 
documents with LyX?

I know there are tools for generating JDoc files that run under Linux, and 
that will allow me to get the documents into the word processor on the Palm.  
However, getting these tools is only half the battle.  The following 
question(s) remain:

- Has any one found a good way to transfer LyX documents into a format that 
can be compiled into JDoc?
- Has anyone looked at a good way to difference / merge the documents after 
they are transferred back from the Palm machine?
- Has anyone looked at a way to integrate the tools for exchanging the 
documents into LyX? (I assume a set of shell, perl, or Python scripts could 
be used to automate the whole process.)

I would appreciate any feedback anyone may have on this.

Thanks!

// George

Re: LyX<->Palm Document Exchange....

[George De Bruin]

On Sunday 09 September 2001 13:10, Nicholas Piper wrote:

> I got QuickWord free with my HandEra. It isn't as comprehensive as
> WordSmith, but my LyX/Palm system only calls for a very basic editor.

I wanted something more comprehensive as I am going to be doing a lot more 
work with the machine on the road.  Basically, I am treating this as a laptop 
instead of getting a laptop.  I know, may be a bit strange to do something 
like that, but the power and functionality for what I need is there, and the 
expense is significantly less.  So, it seem(s) appropriate to me.

> I use the normal "doc" format. I convert with txt2pdbdoc, but you can
> use anything. There are loads of answers to txt <-> doc.

Yeah, I thought WordSmith was using JDoc, but as it turns out, it is using 
the normal doc format.

> I use CVS. I keep a CVS respository, and checkout once for LyX to
> edit, and once for the palm. I use txt2pdbdoc to convert the .lyx file
> from one checkout, and then the same program to convert it back to
> text (.lyx) and copy it over the existing version when I'm done
> editing on the palm. CVS will merge things by itself.

Yeah, I was thinking about doing something with CVS, but hadn't thought it 
all the way through yet.  Glad to see that I am on the right track there.

> I'm going to write some helper apps when I need them, for now I just
> have Makefile rules to help a little with the conversions.

Makefile's would be a good way to handle the conversion for now.  But, I 
think having a set of tools, or better a "wrapper" application for this might 
be more useful.  Should be something that even I could work on once I have 
the right tools in place.

> Note that this system gives a rather messy "internal" file on the
> palm, with all the LyX commands and stuff in. It's not so bad though,
> it means you can use all the LyX features if you hunt around in the
> file for a place you used it before and copy the syntax :-)

That is the problem that I was trying to get around.  When I am writing, I 
don't really want to have all of the codes being displayed, that's the reason 
that I use LyX for writing, instead of using a TeX or LaTeX front end with 
emacs or vi.

> I don't use it to change major parts of the file, only to add things
> or make adjustments to the content; leaving the formatting pretty much
> alone until I get back home.

This is the other part for me.  I work on _lots_ of documents, and make heavy 
edits to them on a very frequent basis...  That can mean chaning the 
structure, or formatting, etc.  Or, even more so, I end up creating  a lot of 
documents.  So, the more transparent the markup is, the better for me.  

I was thinking that I can keep pretty easily to a standard template, just 
enough to mark headings and outlines, that's the major stuff that I need.  I 
don't need to do diagrams, floats or tables (well, maybe an occasional 
table).  

As I look more at things here, it seems that WordSmith uses RTF for it's 
conversion layer.  That means that with the right interface from LyX to RTF 
it should be possible to have a template that preserves the structural 
formatting.  That would make it much easier to convert back and forth between 
LyX and WordSmith.  

There are quite a few tools that do things like SGML<->RTF conversion, and 
other formats.  Will just have to investigate them some more.

But, I really, really, like the idea of using CVS to manage the files.  The 
major trick then remains to move from CVS->WordSmith and back.

Question: what software are you using to sync your HandEra under Linux?  I've 
been trying to use KPilot, but it's been a pain (doable, but a real pain).  

Thanks for the input!

// George

Re: Blatantly wishful feature request

[George De Bruin]

On Tuesday 16 October 2001 02:59, Robin Turner wrote:

> I liked the outline mode when I used to use KLyX - not an
> essential feature but a nice one.  Should be possible to
> incorporate and mordify the KLyX code, I would have thought.
> Maybe something to think about after the stable 1.2 comes out.

Okay, maybe I've missed something here not having used KLyX for very long 
(there were too many problems getting good output with it by the time I tried 
it...), however what was so special about it's outlining?  That is, how does 
it differ from the nesting feature of LyX?

I've been working on outlines using LyX by using the Section / Subsection / 
Subsubsection items along with enumerated and itemized lists.  Using these 
with the nesting features appears to do most of what I need.

However, the one ability I wouldn't mind having is 'folding' at specified 
nesting levels (ie, only seeing 2 or 3 levels of my outline, instead of 
seeing them all...)

// George

Okay, now this is an addiction....

[George De Bruin]

Okay, 

If some of you hadn't noticed: I've had a fairly lengthy absence from the 
mailing list.  In fact, with only a short reprise at the beginning of 
September, I hadn't been on the list since last June.  (I won't go into 
details, but some very chaotic problems / changes / etc. occured in my life 
that precluded my participation here...)

So, I wonder if the following tidbit sets any kind of a record:

I saved all of the mail from the list since last June.  I have spent the last 
two weeks reading all of it - approximately 3,000 email messages.

I think this counts as an addiction. :)  If not, maybe after I finish reading 
the other lists it will count as an addiction...:)

// George

Re: mlbibtex

[George De Bruin]

On Saturday 27 October 2001 17:15, Matej Cepl wrote:

> Has anybody seen this animal in action? What is experience with it?

Hadn't even heard of it  However a quick Google search turned up a short 
article (but no actual implementation):

http://www.ntg.nl/eurotex/abstracts.html#hufflen


// George

Re: Open Source IT Newsletter

[George De Bruin]

On Tuesday 30 October 2001 13:29, Paul Borgermans wrote:
> Is this the same?
>
> http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/3871/1

Yup, that's it....

// George

OT: Which Distro?

[George De Bruin]

Let me state up front: (a) I'm trying to start a war here, (b) please send 
all responses off-list.  I don't want to flood the list with messages on an 
off-topic subject.

That being said: I have been considering going to a different Linux 
distribution, and would like some input from the LyX list participants.

Currently I am running Mandrake 8.0, with a number of patches and updates 
installed.  I have not gone to 8.1 for reasons that there is an issue with 
devfs, which at this point, Mandrake only has a work-around for, and not a 
fix.  Given that devfs was one of the primary reasons to consider upgrading, 
I decided to hold off.  That has given me the opportunity to consider looking 
at a different distribution.

So far, there are two distributions I have considered: SuSE and Debian.  I 
have used SuSE in the past, and remember to be a very well thought out 
distribution.  I have never used Debian, but am constantly hearing good 
things about it, so I have become curious.

The only distributions I have ruled out (at least for now) are RedHat and 
Caldera.  I have RedHat at work, and don't like working with it.  Not to 
mention the issues with their choice of compiler versions to ship with the 
distro.  As for Caldera - well, do I need to say anything else? :)

So, this is how it stands:

- Madrake 8.1 (Wait for a devfs fix)
- SuSE 7.x 
- Debian

Are there any other distributions I should consider?  Why should I consider 
them in comparison to the three listed above?

More to the point, is there a distribution that stands out as being head and 
shoulders above the rest where LyX and it's associated tools are concerned?  
That is: better distribution of tex, sgml / uml / xml tools, better set of 
external tools (viewers, etc.)?

Do you compile LyX on your distro of choice?  Did you need to update any 
libraries, or pass in special parameters to get it to compile?  Any other 
conisderations in this area?

What are the developers using?  Is there any one distribution that they favor 
overall?

Please understand, LyX is a mission critical tool for me.  It only makes 
sense that any consideration I make towards changing distributions would be 
on the basis of there being a better environment for this tool.

Thanks for your time!

// George

Re: OT: Which Distro?

[George De Bruin]

On Saturday 03 November 2001 16:50, George De Bruin wrote:
> Let me state up front: (a) I'm trying to start a war here, (b) please send

And if I was proofing my own messages better, I would have made certain that 
said "...not trying to start a war..." :)

// George

Re: newbie font problem

[George De Bruin]

Hi will,

Seems like I recall having a similar problem back when I started using LyX.

Have you tried running texhash?

// George