Re: Go to hell
On Monday 23 September 2002 16:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Quoting Tal Achituv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > WOW! > > > > That seems intentional. > > Well, I'm not sure about that. You know Google rates sites by the way other > sites refer to them, though I don't know the exact heuristic. > > If enough sites refer to microsoft.com, and use the expression "go to > hell", it could be that this is just an innocent result. and as we all know, using "microsoft" and "hell" in the same sentence is a very common thing, so... ;) tal. > > Herouth > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: insta party - some updates
On Monday 23 September 2002 17:40, Sagi Bashari wrote: > On 9/23/2002 3:34 PM, Amir Tal wrote: > >3) as it looks now, we will not have internet connectivity at the party > > due to the lack of an ADSL line. tal achituv is trying to work something > > out with the administration of the renanim mall. if you have a connection > > at bezaq, or any other connection that can help us out, please use it. > > internet connectivity is not a "must" for the event, but can contribute a > > lot (online demonstrations, updates etc..) > > Is there atleast a normal phone line that we can connect to - normal 56k > connection? It's better than nothing and can be very useful if we'll > need to do some googling.. > > If not we must bring anything that we'll possibly need mirrored. > > Sagi count on no one. mirror as much as you can. most chances are that we will end up with nothing. i can bring my laptop, with a cellular modem for emergency cases (googling for drivers etc..) tal. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: InstParty, [Tal is alive]
On Monday 23 September 2002 17:48, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: > On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 01:12, Tal Achituv wrote: > > What we need to worry about is Internet connection... I`n on the line > > with NetVision & Bezeq... > > What about Actcom? if they're sponsers they can help with the > connection! they cant. it seems like there's some kind of a problem with adsl there (the lack of it). its not about who will order or pay for it... well, not anymore ;) > > > If you have *connections* somewhere - let me know, if you don't - pray > > to your god(s). > > > > We need to spread the word some more - Walla are not paying attention > > and so does Zombit... [anything new with nana?] > > Ido Kennan is trying to contact you in these very moments ;-) note that there is a chance that YNET will write something to. i spoke to gal mor today. > > > What people will bring (to my knowledge): > > [people listed here please confirm, people who should be and aren't - > > let me know] > > Gilad. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Insta-Party] Winmodems Drivers
On Monday 23 September 2002 19:25, Eliran wrote: > Hello ! > > Sorry if you have already discussed it but does any of you bring > winmodem drivers (most fit on a floppy or two)... dont ask - bring ;) > > And, how will the users choose which distro to choose while they > don't know much about linux at all ? this is why we are all going to be there for. install and recommand \ explain. tal. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Weman and Linux
On Monday 23 September 2002 20:41, Ma'ayan Eshed wrote: > Like some others, I didn't read all the HOWTO, but, being one of those > "rare items" (aka a linuxchick) , I felt the urge share my opinion on the > subject. > > > On Monday 23 September 2002 00:59, Oded Arbel wrote: > > > Amir Tal wrote: > > > >come to think of it, why dont we see more weman involved with linux ? > > from Orna's email: > > This essay is not just about women in Linux. Many of the points > > are relevant to newbies in general, and to women in a mainly-male > > environment in general. > > First, it's true that the issue of newbies is related to women newbies, but > the subject of women linux users is different. I personally don't think > women and men are the same in every way, mentally or other, and I don't > think that's a bad thing. > Second, there are, as we all know, less women using linux than men, in > israel. I hang the colar for that on the way children are being raised. > To demonstrate, here is an example from my own childhood: > > When I had my Bat-Mitzva, the presents ranged gross pink wearing-items to > impracticle-though-expenssive jewlery. when My little bro had HIS > Bar-Mitzva, he got stuff like proffessional toolkits. Not needless to > mention - I never used any of MY presents, and he never used his. I used > his. When he was gracious enough to let me. did he use yours to ? ;) > Another example - my parents never allowed me even to change a light-bolb > (guess I can't blame em, with > all the blonde-and-a-lightbolbs jokes around). I DID change those > lightbolbs, as a very young kid, and I even electrecuted myself because my > dad wasn't kind enough to take me under his wing and explain to me one > shouldn't touche both those curious metal pieces at the same time, with > bare hands. oops. its almost a "must" to comment on the "blonde-and-a-lightbolbs" thingie, but forget it ;) > > Maybe because I have had that excitting encounter with that electric shock, > or maybe it's because my parents HAVE taught me to be curious > and investigative (and not to give attention to male chauvinists), I now > use linux (for 2-3 years allready, I think). I've started with practically > zero experience and learning linux wasn't hard, the other linux users I > know were allmost allways supportive (and pretty rarely oversupportive, > which I find just as discouraging) . > > Bottom line: > Chauvinism is a problem, but not the biggest. You want women to use linux, > take your girls to the instaparty, show 'em your computer, tell 'em > interesting thisngs about linux and about how stable and fun the system is. > Make 'em stick around when you and the boys are disscussing iptables etc.. > And DON'T lie and say linux is easy to master! for some people it's not > trivial and easy, even if they are proggramers.. by saying it's an easy > system you'll only drive them away; when failing - by making them feel they > are incompetent, when doing well - by taking away the rewarding feeling of > success (this is true for male newbies as well). > > Ho, and another thing, make woman RTFM. Won't do if you install linux on > her machine, configure and maintain it. They won't learn to use the system, > and you'll get a headache. This is true also for replacing lightbolbs btw. > > On Sunday 22 September 2002 22:13, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: > > we actually have few weman who use Linux - Orna here and I forgot the > > other > > > girl's name - and you can see Nana's forum - there are few more girls who > > use Linux. > > 1.I'm very glad you've forgot my name, thats one step towards equality (; > 2.FYI - I pesronally know atleast 2 more women who use linux and don't take > part in this mailing list (; > may i ask why ? because i would love to see more of you participate here. tal. > maayan To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: InstParty, [Tal is alive] important
On Monday 23 September 2002 21:19, Ma'ayan Eshed wrote: > I didn'd look at that line. Is there still a need for username/password for > an ADSL account? I can supply one for the party!! A dedicated account for > it on Israsrv, 1.5M > Please let me know! > And do it fast. i believe there's also someone who's giving his modem and account, but it wont hurt to have another one. after all, an adsl modem is not something large, bring it on, just in case. fast enough ? ;) tal. > > maayan > > On Monday 23 September 2002 17:48, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: > > > On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 01:12, Tal Achituv wrote: > > > > What we need to worry about is Internet connection... I`n on the line > > > > with NetVision & Bezeq... > > > > > > What about Actcom? if they're sponsers they can help with the > > > connection! > > > > they cant. > > it seems like there's some kind of a problem with adsl there (the lack of > > it). > > > its not about who will order or pay for it... > > well, not anymore ;) > > > > > > If you have *connections* somewhere - let me know, if you don't - > > > > pray to your god(s). To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: InstParty, [Tal is alive] important
On Monday 23 September 2002 21:27, Ma'ayan Eshed wrote: > I can probbably mannage more than one 1.5M accounts. All legal and > straight. as for now, it apears that there are going to be some problems with having adsl installed in the mall. tal achituv is working on it with the renanim mall, and if you ask me, we wont know until the day of the event. bring what you've got. worse case is that we end up not using it. tal. > > > I didn'd look at that line. Is there still a need for username/password > > for > > > an ADSL account? I can supply one for the party!! A dedicated account for > > it > > > on Israsrv, 1.5M > > Please let me know! > > And do it fast. > > > > maayan > > > > > > > If you have *connections* somewhere - let me know, if you don't - > > pray > > > > > > to your god(s). To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: InstParty, [Tal is alive]
On Tuesday 24 September 2002 15:55, Sagi Bashari wrote: > On 9/23/2002 12:12 AM, Tal Achituv wrote: > > Tal Achituv: 2 monitors, 1x4 cpu-switch, ~10 net-cables, 1x6 > > electricity splitter, tables & chairs. > > Roy Arad: ADSL modem+account (will be handy if there will be a line). > > Marc: Debian Mirror, 8 port hub, 4 port switch > > Yotam Rubin: 3 monitors CD-R*2 & media > > Omer Zak: CDs, 8-port hub, 3 net-cables > > Boaz Rymland: 8 port hub > > Sagi Bashari: RedHat ISOs & a server > > 5 monitors.. is that enough? what about keyboards/mices? a simple > speakers set will also be useful to test sound. > > I'll try to bring my workstation&the mirrors server with a KVM and one > set of monitor/keyboard/mouse. I also have my 19" but it's too heavy so > I generally don't like the idea of carrying it with me. tal (achituv) : i think there is to much mess and confusion regarding who's bringing what. can you somehow publish the inventory list (both equipment and man power) of what we have so far ? tal. > > Sagi > > > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Women and Linux
On Tuesday 24 September 2002 14:37, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Guy > > My thoughts exactly. > > Thank you very much ! > > Dorit when replying to the entire list, it can help if you say what you are talking about ! tal. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
phat linux
a thought regarding tommorow's event : i was thinking that maybe we should also try an additional installation method for new users. i am guessing that there will be people that will be afraid of data losses etc, and after reading an artice about phat-linux, i thought that maybe this can be optional. the article can be found at : http://newsforge.com/newsforge/02/09/23/1917204.shtml?tid=23 basicly, its a distro that runs on top of windows. did anyone ever try it? several "issues" here : 1) runs on windows 9.x , not 2k, not XP. 2) hebrew - supported ? couldnt tell... how hard will it be to implement hebrew support there ? 3) it includes some of the most basic and common applications a newcomer will look for... a quote from the article : "Phat comes with the usual programs, including Mozilla, Gnome, a CD player, office software, GNU C Compiler, an address book, IRC client and much more. It kept me busy for hours just pointing and clicking." should we suggest it to users as an option ? -- ====== Amir Tal Founder, Owner Whatsup, Hebrew Linux Portal Voice:+972-8-9363164 Fax: +972-8-9363164 Cell: +972-58-978979 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: www.whatsup.org.il == To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
the insta party on nana
dont know if you saw it yet, but its nice to see that we've got some publicity ;) http://net.nana.co.il/Article/?ArticleID=40738 -- == Amir Tal Founder, Owner Whatsup, Hebrew Linux Portal Voice:+972-8-9363164 Fax: +972-8-9363164 Cell: +972-58-978979 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: www.whatsup.org.il == To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ccache
hi, i am not a developer. actualy, i cant code at all. the only thing i am doing as far as compilation, is to compile some of my own applications, and rebuild kde from cvs every few days. i am building kde on a P4, 1.5Ghz, 780MB of ram, and since i am updating most of the modules, it takes a lot of time. recently, i saw something about ccache. i've read the documentation, and downloaded the latest ccache (1.9). its installed, but before i'll try using it, i was wondering if anyone has any expirience with it, compiling large ammounts of code, and if there's anything i should know (other then what the howto states) all comments are welcomed. thanks, tal. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ccache
On Friday 27 September 2002 19:42, Nadav Har'El wrote: > On Fri, Sep 27, 2002, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote about "Re: ccache": > > On Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 03:52:31PM +0300, Amir Tal wrote: > > > recently, i saw something about ccache. i've read the documentation, > > > and downloaded the latest ccache (1.9). its installed, but before i'll > > > try using it, i was wondering if anyone has any expirience with it, > > > compiling large ammounts of code, and if there's anything i should know > > > (other then what the howto states) > > > > I have been using it to compile everything I compile (mostly > > kernels). I never saw it miscompile anything, which would've been a > > showstopper for this kind of tool. Ocasionally it seems to stop > > working (compilation times rise) when the cache gets to half a > > You guys got me curious. What is that ccache? What does it cache? Is it > free software? " ccache is a compiler cache. It acts as a caching pre-processor to C/C++ compilers, using the -E compiler switch and a hash to detect when a compilation can be satisfied from cache. This often results in a 5 to 10 times speedup in common compilations." read the howto at : http://ccache.samba.org/ccache/ccache-man.html more info at : http://ccache.samba.org/ccache/ tal. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
konqueror does not support html anymore ;)
take a look at the pic. it reminded me of that message win95 used to give : "windows cannot locate your keybord, please press F1 to continue" :) tal. snapshot1.png Description: PNG image
Microsot - go to hell
looks like the "go to hell" google search resault pissed off someone at MS ;) http://news.walla.co.il/ts.cgi?tsscript=item&path=4&id=288334 tal. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
vmware boot from ISO
its no news that since vmware 3.0 there's an option availabe to boot a VM from an ISO image . the question is : what if you've booted from an ISO image, and you need to switch "cd's" during an install process ? if anyone has a solution for that, please share. tal. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: vmware boot from ISO
On Wednesday 02 October 2002 01:38, Meir Kriheli wrote: > On Tuesday 01 October 2002 18:30, Amir Tal wrote: > > its no news that since vmware 3.0 there's an option availabe to boot a VM > > from an ISO image . > > the question is : what if you've booted from an ISO image, and you need > > to switch "cd's" during an install process ? > > > > if anyone has a solution for that, please share. > > tal. > > Select disconnect and edit for the cd device, point it to the other iso, > and connect it again. vmware 3.0 used to crush when i chose that option. works in 3.2 tal. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
open office (finally)
i was wondering when (and if) the israeli goverment will follow others in supporting open source. looks like we are on the right track ;) http://www.whatsup.org.il/article.php?sid=458 -- == Amir Tal Founder, Owner Whatsup, Hebrew Linux Portal Voice:+972-8-9363164 Fax: +972-8-9363164 Cell: +972-58-978979 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: www.whatsup.org.il == To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Quake III
hi, i was wondering if anyone here can tell me what do i need to do in order to make quake3 run normally here. it loads, but with freezes (like the 3d accelerator is not working) i have an NVidia GEforce 2 card (64MB). the NVidia kernel and GLX rpms are installed. xfree 4.2.0, 2.4.18, RH 8 (installed for playing with it a little..so far i am NOT having very much fun..) if you know your way around quake3, and can help, please email me offlist. tal. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: vmware boot from ISO
On Thursday 03 October 2002 06:49 pm, Robert Wallner wrote: > > its no news that since vmware 3.0 there's an option availabe to boot a VM > > from an ISO image . > > the question is : what if you've booted from an ISO image, and you need > > to switch "cd's" during an install process ? > > for changing iso/raw images while the vm is running, choose > Device -> (your device) -> Disconect and Edit -> Choose > > now select another file, but before you do anything in the vm, connect it > back, with Device -> (your device) -> Connect, > cause some oses go beserk when fiddling with the hardware drivers. it used to crush VMware 3.0. in 3.2 it works well. thanks, tal. > > I hope it helped. > Robert Wallner To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xmms rh8
On Friday 04 October 2002 11:28 am, voguemaster wrote: > Honestly I don't quite get it. > How can they break such a behaviour or supported feature of the system ?? > > RH at previous versions could play mp3 easily, now you can't use XMMS > ?? This makes me think twice about this release.. they did it because of piracy issues. you can always get the plugin's and add them manually. tal. > > Eli > > 04/10/02 04:40:42, Amir Sela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On Thursday 03 October 2002 23:56, Meir Michanie wrote: > >> Hi list: > >> I installed rh8 and xmms was unable to play mp3, > >> > >> running rpm -ql xmms I saw that libmpeg123.so and libmpeg123.la was > >> missing from the packet. So I copied from another machine running rh7.3 > >> > >> Isn't it weird? > > From http://www.xmms.org/ : > >Redhat 8 + Can't play mp3's? > >Oct 02, 2002 > > > > > >If you are using Redhat 8 and the supplied RPMS of XMMS you will find that > > it is not possible to load any mp3 files. Redhat was supposed to have a > > placeholder plugin informing you of the change, but that seems to have > > gone missing. > > Available >> here << is some additional information and a mpg123 RPM for > >Redhat 8 installation of XMMS. > > > > Hopefully, I've made myself clear on this subject, since Redhat > > apparently failed to get their message through. > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe, send mail to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message > > body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "There's so many different worlds > So many different suns > And we have just one world > But we live in different ones.." > > - Dire Straits > > > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xmms rh8
On Friday 04 October 2002 02:15 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > AT>> they did it because of piracy issues. you can always get the > AT>> plugin's and add them manually. > > Just a second. Is it real RH statement that mp3 format equals piracy > (which means, unofrtunately, that RH management has completely lost his > mind) or it is what you personally think? maybe i used the wrong fraze here. patent issues. tal. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xmms rh8
On Friday 04 October 2002 02:57 pm, Tzahi Fadida wrote: > I haven't installed rh8 yet, but did they at least, rig the various > multimedia/web programs to offer/automaticaly to convert mp3 to ogg? > Because it would be very annoying for newbies/people who don't have time > to play with the os to start converting manually or to even think about > the concept of converting it. i didnt see any convertion programs in rh8, during the 15 minuets i had it installed. > did they at least explain what to do when u want to run an mp3 in xmms? > i.e: a popup that direct u to a good conversion program? > nothing. just an error msg that says "this type of file is not supported" or something... imagine that. tal. > > * - * - * > Tzahi Fadida > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Technion Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > My Cool Site: HTTP://WWW.My2Nis.Com > * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * > > WARNING TO SPAMMERS: see at > http://members.lycos.co.uk/my2nis/spamwarning.html > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ilya Konstantinov > > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 2:20 PM > > Cc: Linux-IL > > Subject: Re: xmms rh8 > > > > voguemaster wrote: > > >Honestly I don't quite get it. > > >How can they break such a behaviour or supported feature of > > > > the system ?? > > > > >RH at previous versions could play mp3 easily, now you can't > > > > use XMMS ?? > > > > >This makes me think twice about this release.. > > > > RedHat already had to pull off all releases of RedHat Linux up to and > > including 6.1 from the mirrors because of a copyright suit from Agfa > > Monotype over providing an "Arial" font (it was not > > Monotype's original > > Arial, so I guess the suit was about confusing users, making > > them think > > they're using the genuine Arial font while they were using a > > knockoff, > > damaging Monotype's sales and reputation). > > > > They won't risk having to pull 8.0 off the shelves over some > > copyright / > > patent issue. > > > > P.S. I can think of another patent violation in a common free > > software > > app. When I asked the coders about it, they said their policy was to > > keep silent and act surprised when/if they'd get a legal > > suit. I guess > > I'll keep silent as well :) > > > > > > = > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mandrake 9 update source
so I've decided to give MDK 9 a try. ;) can anyone recommend a good and fast one ? everything in the default list is either very slow or dead. tal. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!
are we living in the same country as the reporter who wrote this ?? http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-2160334,00.html and i thought things were bad... ;) (i know they are for me) tal. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux + Internet by Kvalim
On Monday 07 October 2002 08:53 am, Boulgakov Andrei wrote: > Hi! > What is the way to connect Linux to Inet by Kvalim? Is it the same as ADSL? http://whatsup.org.il/modules.php?name=Reviews&rop=showcontent&id=17 > What should be installed/configured? > Can small home network be connected? easily. read about iptables. here's the howto : http://www.telematik.informatik.uni-karlsruhe.de/lehre/seminare/LinuxSem/downloads/netfilter/iptables-HOWTO.html > Will my Web server be visible to the World? sure. you are provided with an external IP (as well as internal to the cables network). check out www.dyndns.org for dynamic dns services for your machine (you are not getting a fixed ip with the cables with most ISP's, i think some do provide it thoughactcom IIRC) tal. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux + Internet by Kvalim
On Monday 07 October 2002 09:44 am, Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader wrote: > Quoth Boulgakov Andrei: > > What is the way to connect Linux to Inet by Kvalim? Is it the same as > > ADSL? > > It is possible. Not like ADSL, but possible. > > > What should be installed/configured? > > The proper stuff should be configured - routing and DHCP client. > > > Can small home network be connected? > > Will my Web server be visible to the World? > > No. Or, rather yes. But not normally. Or, depending. Basicly, my child, > read the FM. And - if I may quibble - it is AGAINST the agreement you > have with the ISP to run a network via the connection. even though most of them dont really give a damm what you do with your given bandwidth. tal. > > M To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
XF86Config problem
this is mandrake 9, fresh install . my card is NVidia GEforce MX. everything worked very nicly after installation. i rebooted the machine today, and X will not load. it complains that "no screens found", which is kinda redicules since i didnt change anything in the config file, and didnt change anything in my hardware since the last time it worked. the only modifications i did was to add the "load glx" option for 3d support, and changed the driver name from "nv" to "nvidia" (had to do that for playing quake ;) the only way to load X now, is to change it back to "nv" and to disable glx support. NVidia drivers are installed (from the nvidia website) and the NVdriver module is loaded. XFree version is 4.2.1 my XF86Config-4 is attached. help...? tal. # File generated by XFdrake. # ** # Refer to the XF86Config man page for details about the format of # this file. # ** Section "Files" # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (they are concatenated together) # By default, Mandrake 6.0 and later now use a font server independent of # the X server to render fonts. FontPath "unix/:-1" EndSection Section "ServerFlags" #DontZap # disable (server abort) #DontZoom # disable / (resolution switching) AllowMouseOpenFail # allows the server to start up even if the mouse doesn't work EndSection Section "Module" Load "dbe" # Double-Buffering Extension Load "v4l" # Video for Linux Load "extmod" Load "type1" Load "freetype" #Load "glx" # 3D layer EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Keyboard1" Driver "Keyboard" Option "XkbModel" "pc105" Option "XkbLayout" "us_intl" Option "XkbOptions" "" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse1" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "monitor1" VendorName "Plug'n Play" HorizSync 30-96 VertRefresh 50-160 # Sony Vaio C1(X,XS,VE,VN)? # 1024x480 @ 85.6 Hz, 48 kHz hsync ModeLine "1024x480"65.00 1024 1032 1176 1344 480 488 494 563 -hsync -vsync # TV fullscreen mode or DVD fullscreen output. # 768x576 @ 79 Hz, 50 kHz hsync ModeLine "768x576" 50.00 768 832 846 1000 576 590 595 630 # 768x576 @ 100 Hz, 61.6 kHz hsync ModeLine "768x576" 63.07 768 800 960 1024 576 578 590 616 EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "device1" VendorName "nVidia Corporation" BoardName "NVIDIA GeForce2 DDR (generic)" Driver "nv" Option "DPMS" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "screen1" Device "device1" Monitor "monitor1" DefaultColorDepth 24 Subsection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 15 Modes "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubsection EndSection Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "layout1" InputDevice "Keyboard1" "CoreKeyboard" InputDevice "Mouse1" "CorePointer" Screen "screen1" EndSection
OpenOffice.org Hebrew
this is the download page at openoffice.org : http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/1.0.1/index.html#localizations i am looking for the hebrew localized version, and cant find it on the list. does the english version have hebrew support in it ? is there a hebrew localized release that is not on this list ? tal. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XF86Config problem
On Tuesday 08 October 2002 06:25 pm, Daniel Pearson wrote: > On Tue, Oct 08, 2002, Amir Tal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote the following: > > this is mandrake 9, fresh install . > > my card is NVidia GEforce MX. everything worked very nicly after > > installation. i rebooted the machine today, and X will not load. it > > complains that "no screens found", which is kinda redicules since i didnt > > change anything in the config file, and didnt change anything in my > > hardware since the last time it worked. > > Look for clues in /var/log/XFree86.0.log. If it doesn't make any sense > to you, try posting it to the list and let others take a look at it. log attached. anyone ? tal. XFree86 Version 4.2.1 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6600) Release Date: 3 September 2002 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (See http://www.XFree86.Org/) Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.18-23mdkenterprise i686 [ELF] Module Loader present Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: "/var/log/XFree86.0.log", Time: Tue Oct 8 03:28:47 2002 (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4" (==) ServerLayout "layout1" (**) |-->Screen "screen1" (0) (**) | |-->Monitor "monitor1" (**) | |-->Device "device1" (**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard1" (**) Option "XkbModel" "pc105" (**) XKB: model: "pc105" (**) Option "XkbLayout" "us_intl" (**) XKB: layout: "us_intl" (WW) Option "XkbOptions" requires an string value (==) Keyboard: CustomKeycode disabled (**) |-->Input Device "Mouse1" (**) FontPath set to "unix/:-1" (==) RgbPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules" (**) Option "AllowMouseOpenFail" Using vt 7 (--) using VT number 7 (II) Open APM successful (II) Module ABI versions: XFree86 ANSI C Emulation: 0.1 XFree86 Video Driver: 0.5 XFree86 XInput driver : 0.3 XFree86 Server Extension : 0.1 XFree86 Font Renderer : 0.3 (II) Loader running on linux (II) LoadModule: "bitmap" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libbitmap.a (II) Module bitmap: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.1, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 Font Renderer ABI class: XFree86 Font Renderer, version 0.3 (II) Loading font Bitmap (II) LoadModule: "pcidata" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libpcidata.a (II) Module pcidata: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.1, module version = 0.1.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5 (II) PCI: Probing config type using method 1 (II) PCI: Config type is 1 (II) PCI: stages = 0x03, oldVal1 = 0x8090, mode1Res1 = 0x8000 (II) PCI: PCI scan (all values are in hex) (II) PCI: 00:00:0: chip 8086,1a30 card 8086,1a30 rev 03 class 06,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:01:0: chip 8086,1a31 card , rev 03 class 06,04,00 hdr 01 (II) PCI: 00:1e:0: chip 8086,244e card , rev 12 class 06,04,00 hdr 01 (II) PCI: 00:1f:0: chip 8086,2440 card , rev 12 class 06,01,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:1f:1: chip 8086,244b card 8086,2442 rev 12 class 01,01,80 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:1f:2: chip 8086,2442 card 8086,2442 rev 12 class 0c,03,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:1f:3: chip 8086,2443 card 8086,2442 rev 12 class 0c,05,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:1f:4: chip 8086,2444 card 8086,2442 rev 12 class 0c,03,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 01:00:0: chip 10de,0110 card , rev b2 class 03,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 02:04:0: chip 1274,5880 card 1274,2000 rev 02 class 04,01,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 02:09:0: chip 8086,1229 card 8086,0009 rev 05 class 02,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 02:0a:0: chip 109e,0350 card , rev 12 class 04,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: End of PCI scan (II) LoadModule: "scanpci" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libscanpci.a (II) Module scanpci: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.1, module version = 0.1.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5 (II) UnloadModule: "scanpci" (II) Unloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libscanpci.a (II) Host-to-PCI bridge: (II) PCI-to-ISA bridge: (II) PCI-to-PCI bridge: (II) PCI-to-PCI bridge: (II) Bus 0: bridge is at (0:0:0), (-1,0,0), BCTRL: 0x08 (VGA_EN is set) (II) Bus 0 I/O range: [0] -1 0x - 0x (0x1) IX[B] (II) Bus 0 non-prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0x - 0x (0x0) MX[B] (II) Bus 0 prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0x - 0x (0x0) MX[B] (II) Bus 1: bridge is at (0:1:0), (0,1,1), BCTRL: 0x0e (VGA_EN is set) (II) Bus 1 I/O range
india is joining the world
and announced its decision to move to open source. http://www.whatsup.org.il/article.php?sid=477 good news ! seems like a LOT of governments are making that switch lately (china, germany..) and i wonder if the Israeli government will continue its steps with openoffice and follow them...? we'll have to wait and see..i guess. anyway, its nice to see that there is finally a real effort out there, and it seems like linux is on the right truck ;) tal. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
nvidia problems
gang, you are my LAST hope. i know I'm a lazy ass (most of the times) but this time i really did some heavy reading and googling. came up empty. XFree 4.2.1, GEforce II MX. i installed (for some weird reason) mandrake 9 on my test machine to play around with, and the nvidia card is giving me a hard time. GLX and the nvidia kernel are compiled and installed, NVdriver is loaded. if i change in XF86Config from "nv" to "nvidia" and uncheck "load glx" i get : (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4" Using vt 8 (EE) NVIDIA(0): no HorizSync values remaining (EE) NVIDIA(0): No modes remaining for Display Device 0 (EE) NVIDIA(0): *** Aborting *** (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. Fatal server error: no screens found if i change it back to "nv" and disable glx, everything works normally (x loads, no 3d support) tried to check it out at #nvidia, but all i got there is a bunch of smart asses who told me to look at the logs and RTFM. do you know why this is happening ? is this a mandrake 9 issue, or am i missing something basic here ? tal. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XF86Config problem
On Thursday 10 October 2002 10:55 pm, Noam Meltzer wrote: > You might want to add such a line: > BusID "PCI:1:0:0" > into your 'Section "Device"' in the XF86Config file. > it helped for me. not for me. > also you might want to upgrade the version of the nvidia driver. > its already the latest from NVidia. tal. > Noam > > On Tue, 2002-10-08 at 01:53, Amir Tal wrote: > > this is mandrake 9, fresh install . > > my card is NVidia GEforce MX. everything worked very nicly after > > installation. i rebooted the machine today, and X will not load. it > > complains that "no screens found", which is kinda redicules since i didnt > > change anything in the config file, and didnt change anything in my > > hardware since the last time it worked. > > > > the only modifications i did was to add the "load glx" option for 3d > > support, and changed the driver name from "nv" to "nvidia" (had to do > > that for playing quake ;) > > > > the only way to load X now, is to change it back to "nv" and to disable > > glx support. > > NVidia drivers are installed (from the nvidia website) and the NVdriver > > module is loaded. > > > > XFree version is 4.2.1 > > > > my XF86Config-4 is attached. > > > > help...? > > tal. > > > > > > > > # File generated by XFdrake. > > > > # ** > > # Refer to the XF86Config man page for details about the format of > > # this file. > > # ** > > > > Section "Files" > > # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (they are concatenated > > together) # By default, Mandrake 6.0 and later now use a font server > > independent of # the X server to render fonts. > > FontPath "unix/:-1" > > EndSection > > > > Section "ServerFlags" > > #DontZap # disable (server abort) > > #DontZoom # disable / (resolution switching) > > AllowMouseOpenFail # allows the server to start up even if the mouse > > doesn't work EndSection > > > > Section "Module" > > Load "dbe" # Double-Buffering Extension > > Load "v4l" # Video for Linux > > Load "extmod" > > Load "type1" > > Load "freetype" > > #Load "glx" # 3D layer > > EndSection > > > > Section "InputDevice" > > Identifier "Keyboard1" > > Driver "Keyboard" > > Option "XkbModel" "pc105" > > Option "XkbLayout" "us_intl" > > Option "XkbOptions" "" > > EndSection > > > > Section "InputDevice" > > Identifier "Mouse1" > > Driver "mouse" > > Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" > > Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" > > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > > EndSection > > > > Section "Monitor" > > Identifier "monitor1" > > VendorName "Plug'n Play" > > HorizSync 30-96 > > VertRefresh 50-160 > > > > # Sony Vaio C1(X,XS,VE,VN)? > > # 1024x480 @ 85.6 Hz, 48 kHz hsync > > ModeLine "1024x480"65.00 1024 1032 1176 1344 480 488 494 563 > > -hsync -vsync > > > > # TV fullscreen mode or DVD fullscreen output. > > # 768x576 @ 79 Hz, 50 kHz hsync > > ModeLine "768x576" 50.00 768 832 846 1000 576 590 595 630 > > > > # 768x576 @ 100 Hz, 61.6 kHz hsync > > ModeLine "768x576" 63.07 768 800 960 1024 576 578 590 616 > > EndSection > > > > Section "Device" > > Identifier "device1" > > VendorName "nVidia Corporation" > > BoardName "NVIDIA GeForce2 DDR (generic)" > > Driver "nv" > > Option "DPMS" > > EndSection > > > > Section "Screen" > > Identifier "screen1" > > Device "device1" > > Monitor "monitor1" > > DefaultColorDepth 24 > > > > Subsection "Display" > > Depth 8 > > Modes "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" > > "640x480" EndSubsection > > > > Subsection "Display" > > Depth 15 > > Modes "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" > > "640x480" EndSubsection > > > > Subsection "Display" > > Depth 16 > > Modes "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" > > "640x480" EndSubsection > > > > Subsection "Display" > > Depth 24 > > Modes "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" > > "640x480" EndSubsection > > EndSection > > > > Section "ServerLayout" > > Identifier "layout1" > > InputDevice "Keyboard1" "CoreKeyboard" > > InputDevice "Mouse1" "CorePointer" > > Screen "screen1" > > EndSection To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
bttv and emu10k1
hi, i am using bttv with my FlyVideo II TV card, under mandrake9 (decided to play with it for a while, i used debian until not to long ago..). its mandrake's default kernel (2.4.19-16mdk). i had a SB128 sound card until 2 days ago (es1371) and it worked fine. yesterday I've purchased SB Live! (emu10k1) and the problems started : the default bttv driver (in mandrake's kernel) is loading, but i cant get any reception (no channels are displayed, even when scanning). i tried to compile and install the latest bttv driver, and after it loads, all it displays is a blank screen (both in XawTV and Zapping). are there any known issues with bttv and emu10k1 ? here are some of the settings : # lsmod |grep bttv bttv 66880 0 (unused) i2c-algo-bit7432 1 [bttv] videodev5792 2 [bttv] i2c-core 15332 0 [bttv i2c-algo-bit tuner] soundcore 3780 0 [bttv emu10k1] # cat /etc/modules.conf |grep bttv options bttv radio=1 gbuffers=4 card=19 tuner=5 pll=1 card model : 02:09.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt848 Video Capture (rev 12) when modprobing for bttv, it loads with no errors. thanks, -- ====== Amir Tal Founder, Owner Whatsup, Hebrew Linux Portal Voice:+972-8-9363164 Fax: +972-8-9363164 Cell: +972-58-978979 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: www.whatsup.org.il == To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: online gamers
On Sunday 13 October 2002 06:09 pm, Eliran wrote: can this "magnificent" win32 app output what it finds, or its just connects you to the nearest one ? if it can, how about posting a list here ? tal. > Amir Tal wrote: > >yes, i know, i am 30 years old - so what ? > > > > >2) are there any severs in Israel for quake\unreal\ anything else similar. > > Hmm, yes there are... I know a win32 [bah...] 'application' that shows > such servers... > Some servers run linux ! Well, the program is called "The all seeing > eyes". If there's any > linux version I'll appreciate if you let me know ;-> > > Regards, To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: System Backups
On Monday 14 October 2002 12:37 pm, Erez Boym wrote: > Hi, > > What would be the way to backup an entire system ? > > I have a server which I need too backup, a complete > backup setups, *-conf, data, everything and then to > easily rebuild the entire server back from scratch. > > Would it be enough to copy the entire file system on > to DVDs, Tape etc. and then reinstall Linux and copy > the entire file system back in or do I need a tool > like "Ghost" ? depends on the restore level you are looking for. you can simply image the entire disk. check out http://www.partimage.org/ . tal. > > Erez > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > http://faith.yahoo.com > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bttv and emu10k1
On Tuesday 15 October 2002 02:49 am, voguemaster wrote: > Mind my ignorance for a second, but I wasn't even aware linux supports > bttv based video capture cards, i'm dying to use mine on it as well!! > Any pointers ? http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/mini/other-formats/html_single/BTTV.html downloading the latest bttv modules is recommanded. http://bytesex.org/bttv/ tal. > > Eli > > 11/10/02 22:09:48, Amir Tal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >hi, > > > >i am using bttv with my FlyVideo II TV card, under mandrake9 (decided to > > play with it for a while, i used debian until not to long ago..). > >its mandrake's default kernel (2.4.19-16mdk). > >i had a SB128 sound card until 2 days ago (es1371) and it worked fine. > >yesterday I've purchased SB Live! (emu10k1) and the problems started : > >the default bttv driver (in mandrake's kernel) is loading, but i cant get > > any reception (no channels are displayed, even when scanning). i tried to > > compile and install the latest bttv driver, and after it loads, all it > > displays is a blank screen (both in XawTV and Zapping). > >are there any known issues with bttv and emu10k1 ? > > > >here are some of the settings : > > > ># lsmod |grep bttv > >bttv 66880 0 (unused) > >i2c-algo-bit7432 1 [bttv] > >videodev5792 2 [bttv] > >i2c-core 15332 0 [bttv i2c-algo-bit tuner] > >soundcore 3780 0 [bttv emu10k1] > > > > > ># cat /etc/modules.conf |grep bttv > >options bttv radio=1 gbuffers=4 card=19 tuner=5 pll=1 > > > > > >card model : > >02:09.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt848 Video > > Capture (rev 12) > > > >when modprobing for bttv, it loads with no errors. > > > >thanks, > > > >-- > >== > >Amir Tal > >Founder, Owner > >Whatsup, Hebrew Linux Portal > >Voice:+972-8-9363164 > >Fax: +972-8-9363164 > >Cell: +972-58-978979 > >Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >URL: www.whatsup.org.il > >== > > > > > >To unsubscribe, send mail to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message > > body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "There's so many different worlds > So many different suns > And we have just one world > But we live in different ones.." > > - Dire Straits - "Brothers in Arms" > > > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: root password lost
On Wednesday 16 October 2002 02:17 pm, Toros Yosi wrote: > Hi, > I have computer that has RH7.3 on it and I don't know the root and any > other users password ,can someone please tell me waht is the best way to > login > > :) boot from the RH install cd, login as single user, and use the "passwd" commnad to change the passwords you need. tal. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bttv and emu10k1
On Tuesday 15 October 2002 09:59 pm, Diego Iastrubni wrote: > áéåí ùìéùé 15 àå÷èåáø 2002, 03:08, Amir Tal ëúá: > > On Tuesday 15 October 2002 02:49 am, voguemaster wrote: > > > Mind my ignorance for a second, but I wasn't even aware linux supports > > > bttv based video capture cards, i'm dying to use mine on it as well!! > > > Any pointers ? > > > > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/mini/other-formats/html_singl > >e/ BTTV.html > > > > downloading the latest bttv modules is recommanded. > > http://bytesex.org/bttv/ > > they are on the kernel already. Those are experimental drivers. whats included in 2.4.x kernel is NOT the latest. its ALWAYS recommanded to get the latest software and compile yourself, specialy with "problematic" hardware. > > voguemaster: > which card? I have writen a nice howto in > http://dgi_il.tripod.com/linux/flyvideo.html it explains also about lirc. > If you wait a few weeks I will upload a kernel that will support lirc. as > precompiled generic rpms. (any requests should be made in private to me). > > Tal: > played with all pll settings? yes tried all flyvideo cards (autodetect should > work quite well on those cards btw). > what applies for those card's are card=19 and 25. (19 for flyvideo98, 25 for 2000). none of those worked for me. it has something to do with the emu10k1 module, because it worked fine with a soundblaster 128 (es1371). i still didnt figure out what it is though... tal. > - diego To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [long] asking for help properly [Was: pptp kernel freeze]
On Saturday 19 October 2002 11:52, Guy Cohen wrote: > On Sat, Oct 19, 2002 at 09:21:31AM +0200, Ira Abramov wrote: > > and I can't figure out why would anyone try to be so unhelpful on > > purpose) > > I'm not. I'm simply resent him being so arrogant. > > Anyhow to the matter if you really want to know. after the way you were talking to people here, no one *really* wants to know anything about your problem anymore. either start behaving, or shut the hell up ! no one here works for you. tal. It's an old p-133 > running with kernel 2.4.19. pppd version 2.4.1, pptp version 1.1.0-1. > The only reason i suspect that is a bug with pppd is because 2 times > I was lucky enough to be on the logging terminal when it happened > and the last thing showed before the freeze was pppd: terminated by peer. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [long] asking for help properly [Was: pptp kernel freeze]
On Saturday 30 March 2002 23:13, you wrote: > What the heck are you blubing about again? You want to be part of > the "team", the flaming team? well, you are. Good for you. > What a dream team. > > now jump out the window please. after you. > > And btw, I wasn't talking to "poeple". I was talking to one person. > you did it in public, you did it on this list, so anyone subscribed to it has a right to say something about it. you wanna get pisseed at someone ?? do it offlist. > On Sat, Oct 19, 2002 at 05:22:51PM +0200, Amir Tal wrote: > > On Saturday 19 October 2002 11:52, Guy Cohen wrote: > > > On Sat, Oct 19, 2002 at 09:21:31AM +0200, Ira Abramov wrote: > > > > and I can't figure out why would anyone try to be so unhelpful on > > > > purpose) > > > > > > I'm not. I'm simply resent him being so arrogant. > > > > > > Anyhow to the matter if you really want to know. > > > > after the way you were talking to people here, no one *really* wants to > > know anything about your problem anymore. > > either start behaving, or shut the hell up ! > > no one here works for you. > > > > tal. > > > > > > It's an old p-133 > > > > > running with kernel 2.4.19. pppd version 2.4.1, pptp version 1.1.0-1. > > > The only reason i suspect that is a bug with pppd is because 2 times > > > I was lucky enough to be on the logging terminal when it happened > > > and the last thing showed before the freeze was pppd: terminated by > > > peer. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XF86Config problem
On Friday 11 October 2002 01:33 am, Daniel Pearson wrote: > On Thu, Oct 10, 2002, Amir Tal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote the following: > > On Thursday 10 October 2002 10:55 pm, Noam Meltzer wrote: > > > also you might want to upgrade the version of the nvidia driver. > > > > its already the latest from NVidia. > > Then try an older version. Sometimes a new release introduces new > bugs, despite the fact that it fixes the older ones. been there to. the problem also happend with older drivers, and then I've decided to upgrade to the latest. this is obviously a missconfiguration problem, which i just cannot put my finger on. tal. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
online gamers
hi, I've became a games addict. yes, i know, i am 30 years old - so what ? i must admit that Quake III Arena and Unreal 2003 really grubbed me, and as a person that didn't spend to much time with computer games, i am finding myself in front of those games for hours...and hoursand hours. anyway, the question's are : 1) are there any people on this list that play online a LOT in the mentioned games ? 2) are there any severs in Israel for quake\unreal\ anything else similar. 3) if the answer is "no, but we wish there were", i am interested in setting up a public game server...anyone else interested in helping ? (hardware, hosting, maintenance etc...) -- ====== Amir Tal Founder, Owner Whatsup, Hebrew Linux Portal Voice:+972-8-9363164 Fax: +972-8-9363164 Cell: +972-58-978979 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: www.whatsup.org.il == To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XF86Config problem
On Sunday 13 October 2002 03:16 am, Stiven Andre wrote: adding Option "IgnoreEDID" "1" to my "Device" section in my XF86Config-4 solved it. my card does have tv-out, but i dont think that was the problem (nothing was connected) tal. > From: Amir Tal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Daniel Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: XF86Config problem > >Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:34:29 +0200 > > > >On Tuesday 08 October 2002 06:25 pm, Daniel Pearson wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 08, 2002, Amir Tal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote the following: > > > > this is mandrake 9, fresh install . > > > > my card is NVidia GEforce MX. everything worked very nicly after > > > > installation. i rebooted the machine today, and X will not load. it > > > > complains that "no screens found", which is kinda redicules since i > > > >didnt > > > > > > change anything in the config file, and didnt change anything in my > > > > hardware since the last time it worked. > > > > > > Look for clues in /var/log/XFree86.0.log. If it doesn't make any sense > > > to you, try posting it to the list and let others take a look at it. > > > >log attached. > >anyone ? > >tal. > ><< XFree86.0.log >> > > May be it will not help but. I had the same problem with my Radeon VE card. > It worked fine and then just stoped working with the same message. The > problem was in the TV out. If your card has a TV out and you have connected > something to it, just unplug the cable and then reboot your machine twice > and try to start the X server. > > Regards. > S.A. > > _ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XF86Config problem
On Sunday 13 October 2002 11:03 am, Oleg Kobets wrote: > What tha hell is IgnoreEDID ?!?!?!? > > Could you elaborate on where you obtained it and how it works ? http://www.evil3d.net/articles/linux/howto/nvidia/redhat71/?page=5.php3 http://www.mandrakeuser.org/docs/hardware/hgforce.html basicly, it will not relay on the monitor to supply the refresh rates information. this is happening when using a "plug and play" monitor type in XF86Config-4, and not specifying a monitor type. XFree cannot actually tell which monitor you are using, and will relay on getting the refresh rate information from your "Device" section - your graphic card. tal. > > --- > Oleg Kobets > Network Administrator > Breakthrough LTD. > 054-747132 > 03-6349922 Ext 26 > > "Black hole is God divided by zero" > - Original Message - > From: "Amir Tal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Stiven Andre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 10:48 AM > Subject: Re: XF86Config problem > > > On Sunday 13 October 2002 03:16 am, Stiven Andre wrote: > > adding Option "IgnoreEDID" "1" to my "Device" section in my XF86Config-4 > solved it. > my card does have tv-out, but i dont think that was the problem (nothing > was connected) > > tal. > > > From: Amir Tal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: Daniel Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: Re: XF86Config problem > > >Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:34:29 +0200 > > > > > >On Tuesday 08 October 2002 06:25 pm, Daniel Pearson wrote: > > > > On Tue, Oct 08, 2002, Amir Tal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote the > > following: > > > > > this is mandrake 9, fresh install . > > > > > my card is NVidia GEforce MX. everything worked very nicly after > > > > > installation. i rebooted the machine today, and X will not load. it > > > > > complains that "no screens found", which is kinda redicules since i > > > > > >didnt > > > > > > > > change anything in the config file, and didnt change anything in my > > > > > hardware since the last time it worked. > > > > > > > > Look for clues in /var/log/XFree86.0.log. If it doesn't make any > > sense > > > > > to you, try posting it to the list and let others take a look at it. > > > > > >log attached. > > >anyone ? > > >tal. > > ><< XFree86.0.log >> > > > > May be it will not help but. I had the same problem with my Radeon VE > > card. > > > It worked fine and then just stoped working with the same message. The > > problem was in the TV out. If your card has a TV out and you have > > connected > > > something to it, just unplug the cable and then reboot your machine twice > > and try to start the X server. > > > > Regards. > > S.A. > > > > _ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > > = > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > == > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Who's the Open Source Guru in ....
On Monday 28 October 2002 18:27, Omer Zak wrote: > > General question: Do we keep this discussion going on the list, or go > > private? I'll accept a majority vote on the first 10 responses! > > My vote: keep this discussion going on this list. Getting the government > to use software with Open Interfaces(TM) will allow Linux users to > communicate with government Web sites and other computerized services. > --- Omer same here. tal. > Make love not war. > WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian-il list?
On Sunday 03 November 2002 20:19, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] all original members were automaticly subscribed there. shachar, can you update the "list of lists" page please? tal. > What exactly is the debian mailing list? > > I don't mind going through the archives of linux-il, but aparantly > http://debian.org.il/ doesn't mention it, and > http://linux.org.il/mailing-lists/ is not yet up-to-date = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian-il list?
On Sunday 03 November 2002 21:02, Amir Tal wrote: forgot to add a link to the new mailing list page. its kinda short, but it will have to do for now : http://www.debian.org.il/mailing-list.php tal. > On Sunday 03 November 2002 20:19, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > all original members were automaticly subscribed there. > > shachar, can you update the "list of lists" page please? > > tal. > > > What exactly is the debian mailing list? > > > > I don't mind going through the archives of linux-il, but aparantly > > http://debian.org.il/ doesn't mention it, and > > http://linux.org.il/mailing-lists/ is not yet up-to-date = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PLEASE IGNORE MY PREVIOUS MESSAGE - ITS A VIRUS
> And yes, I'm using Sylpheed when I mailing to this list - because from some > misterious reason Outlook refuses to send mails in plain text and HTML > mails pisses off most members of this list. its been a while since i touched MS$ products, but if i am not mistaking, in your options dialog, there's a tab called "mail format", and there you are able to choose HTML or text mail. but if i am wrong, i just gave you another reason to dump outlook (other then the obvious one with that virus) as for exchange support for linux, there are several projects in development at the moment : http://whatsup.org.il/search.php?query=exchange&topic=&category=0&author=&days=0&type=stories tal. > > Sorry for disturbance once again. > > Michael. > > > Gilad. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
the translated debian installation manual - help needed !
hi all, a few weeks back we started to translate the full installation manual of woody. its a long piece of documentation, and we stopped working on it after about 20% was completed because of a lack of time. please take a look at http://www.debian.org.il/help.php and see what was translated so far. we need your help ! if you are willing to contribute to the translation process, please email me offlist, and I'll assign you to one of the chapters that still needs some work. this process is being done as a part of the debian.org.il facelift. visit the new site at www.debian.org.il. there's also a new phpBB based web-forum there. thanks, tal. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Any interest in XFree RPMS?
On Friday 08 November 2002 02:24, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: sounds interesting. how compatible will they be for debian ? will alien know how to deal with them, and create deb's from them ? i don't remember the paths used for XFree in RH. similar ? tal. > Hi, > > Well, since my current job (as phone supporter) in Rotal is so > "complicated" - I decided I could do some help and started to rebuild the > XFree (CVS) RPMS for Red Hat 7.3. > > Question is - are there any people interested in those? it got: > > * Radeon 8500 3D acceleration > * NeoMagic XV support (Tal, Yuval - that for your machines and anyone else > who got those old Toshiba machines with NeoMagic chipset - so you can > finally watch those films with much better playback) > * XCursor extension added - so you can now add those little colourful mouse > cursors - a.l.a Windows 95 Plus pack style... > * RandR - Resize and Rotate support > And lots of other nifty stuff which only true geeks will love ;) > > Thanks, > Hetz > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: Arie and the penguins...
dear Mr. scoop had some things to say, and for some reason they decided to quote that trash on YNET. why trash you say ? because i saw some lines there that almost caused me to throw my laptop out the window...and i am on the 5th floor, so imagine how that almost ended. anyway : http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-2247933,00.html "enjoy" tal. PS - specially liked the part about 2.9 developers. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
More about linux
more good news about linux. see ? linux news - arie skoop = good news :) http://net.nana.co.il/Article/?ArticleID=46134 -- == Amir Tal Founder, Owner Whatsup, Hebrew Linux Portal Voice:+972-8-9363164 Fax: +972-8-9363164 Cell: +972-58-978979 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: www.whatsup.org.il ICQ : 15748705 == = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
qtopiadesktop and winCE (IPAQ)
does anyone have any experience with synchronizing the two ? failed attempts will also be nice (with your few words of wisdom attached...) -- == Amir Tal Founder, Owner Whatsup, Hebrew Linux Portal Voice:+972-8-9363164 Fax: +972-8-9363164 Cell: +972-58-978979 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: www.whatsup.org.il ICQ : 15748705 == = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
a new linux based supercomputer project by IBM.
for those of you who didn't follow the news cycle today : http://news.walla.co.il/ts.cgi?tsscript=item&path=4&id=311755 -- ====== Amir Tal Founder, Owner Whatsup, Hebrew Linux Portal Voice:+972-8-9363164 Fax: +972-8-9363164 Cell: +972-58-978979 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: www.whatsup.org.il ICQ : 15748705 == = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
longhorn's winFS, what about linux ?
i've seen a lot of feedback on the net lately on winFS (the new filesystem MS are going to use in their next version of windows, codenamed longhorn.) Longhorn will include a database-like file system called Windows Future Storage (WinFS), which is based on technology from SQL Server 2003 (code-named Yukon). This file system will abstract physical file locations from the user and allow for the sorts of complex data searching that are impossible today. For example, today, your email messages, contacts, Word documents, and music files are all completely separate. That won't be the case in Longhorn. i was wondering if there's any intention to try and implement something similar in linux, and if there are any advantages to this technology that justifies the effort. I'd like to review this issue in whatsup.org.il, and your thoughts\comments\opinions are highly welcomed here. good thing ? bad thing ? fire away -- ========== Amir Tal Founder, Owner Whatsup, Hebrew Linux Portal Voice:+972-8-9363164 Fax: +972-8-9363164 Cell: +972-58-978979 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: www.whatsup.org.il ICQ : 15748705 == = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Updates for CABLES-DHCP-PPTP-HOWTO
On Tuesday 26 November 2002 15:46, Skliarouk Arie wrote: > Hello Tal, > > Today I connected an Linux firewall to Kavey Zahav (www.012.net) > and wanted to share information I gathered: > > The VPN is established against Kavey Zahav's vpn servers. > > The hostname is aztv.012.net.il and is resolved to SEVERAL ip numbers. can you post your configuration here ? users on linux-il and learn from it, and i will also update the cables-howto with it. please post your ifconfig, resolv.conf and your kernel's routing table (netstat -r -n) . > > Thus you need manually to pick up one of the IP numbers and use that > number in the cablestart script and /etc/ppp/pap-secrets file. > > I used pptp-linux package supplied with unstable debian branch (instead of > recommended pptp-linux downloadable from netvision) and it worked well. actualy, i think its the same binary ;) tal. > > PS. The computer is connected to ADSL router (not modem) as well and > connection equalization (using policy routing) works very nice. > > --- > Bye, | Fax: (972)-2-6796453 > Arieh | Phone: (972)-6795364 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mozilla's mouse pointers
hi, i've became i big fan of tab browsing ever since i started to use kde from cvs. since i am leaving the country in a few weeks, i had to sell all of my computers, and i am now using an old Toshiba laptop (300 Mhz) which makes compiling kde a living hell. so for now, i am using the latest stable release of kde , which does not support this feature. as an alternative, i've started to look into mozilla lately, which has tab browsing support. i've never been a huge mozilla fan (i'm a konqi kinda guy) but i have to admit that its a nice browser. the only thing i hate about it is the mouse pointers (specially that ugly hand pointer when pointing over links) and i was wondering if there is a way to replace those pointers with the default kde pointers. browsing through the menu's in mozilla and googling for an answer didn't tell me much... using mozilla 1.1. help...? tal. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [** SPAM? **] RE: mozilla's mouse pointers
On Thursday 28 November 2002 11:24, you wrote: how about galeon ? is it as fast ? no Hebrew compatibilities issues ? i am getting low on disk space here, so i don't want to just install and check it out... did you ever try it ? if its based on mozilla's engine, it's suppose to act almost 100% the same as far as rendering, right ? tal. > I don't know about the pointers, but if I was you, I would try Phoenix > instead of Moz. On a 300MHz machine, Moz probably runs pretty slowly. > Phoenix is quite a bit lighter. > > HTH, > > Martin Polley > Technical Communicator > http://www.surf-com.com/ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Tel: (+972) (4) 9095-732 > Mobile: (053) 864-280 > ICQ 15617901 > > Hlade's Law: If you have a difficult task, give it to a lazy person. > They will find an easier way to do it. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Amir Tal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 11:08 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: mozilla's mouse pointers > > > hi, > > i've became i big fan of tab browsing ever since i started to use kde > from > cvs. since i am leaving the country in a few weeks, i had to sell all of > my > computers, and i am now using an old Toshiba laptop (300 Mhz) which > makes > compiling kde a living hell. so for now, i am using the latest stable > release > of kde , which does not support this feature. > as an alternative, i've started to look into mozilla lately, which has > tab > browsing support. i've never been a huge mozilla fan (i'm a konqi kinda > guy) > but i have to admit that its a nice browser. the only thing i hate about > it > is the mouse pointers (specially that ugly hand pointer when pointing > over > links) and i was wondering if there is a way to replace those pointers > with > the default kde pointers. browsing through the menu's in mozilla and > googling > for an answer didn't tell me much... > using mozilla 1.1. > > help...? > tal. > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word > "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo > unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mozilla's mouse pointers
On Thursday 28 November 2002 11:45, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: konqi is also doing very well as far as tab browsing, i liked it a lot. very easy to browse, switch, arrange etc... i think I'll go ahead and give galeon a try, since i hear its much lighter the mozilla, which is getting kinda heavy on my (temporary) slow machine. tal. > On Thu, 28 Nov 2002, Amir Tal wrote: > > hi, > > > > i've became i big fan of tab browsing ever since i started to use kde > > from cvs. since i am leaving the country in a few weeks, i had to sell > > all of my computers, and i am now using an old Toshiba laptop (300 Mhz) > > which makes compiling kde a living hell. so for now, i am using the > > latest stable release of kde , which does not support this feature. > > A side note: mozilla still doesn't implement tabs as well as galeon: > easily rearanging tabs and moving tabs between windows. > > How is konqi at this point? > > Before you reply, read the bottom of this post ... > > 1 > > 2 > > 3 > > 4 > > 5 > > 6 > > 7 > > 8 > > 9 > > 10 > > No flames, please ;-) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IP and computer name
On Wednesday 11 December 2002 15:35, mail Admin wrote: 1) what do you mean "that take your ip address"?? use "hostname" to see your machine's name, and "ifconfig" to see the ip addresses associated with your machine. 2) i have to ask : what mail server are you "administrating" ? :) tal. > Hi > how can i konw the computer name that take my IP ADDRESS > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KMail questions
On Friday 13 December 2002 13:09, shlomo solomon wrote: > As part of my move fro MDK 8.1 to MDK 9.0, I also decided to try KMail > (instead of XFMail that I've used for years. So far, I'm quite > satisfied. But I have one question and one problem and I haven't > found any information on either of them. > > QUESTION: Is there a way to prevent the message to be immediately > marked as read when you highlight it in the Message LIst? I'd like > the change from unread to read to be only after a few seconds - not > immediately. what version are you using ? i am using 3.0.4 and i dont think there is an option (like in knode, for example...) but i do believe that it was added to CVS and will be included in 3.1 final (check the kde archives, i saw something about it last week..) > > PROBLEM: I attached a snapshot of a message from the list. Can anyone > tell me why the left side of the message looks like this? It happens > to ALL messages from the list but (so far) hasn't happened to > messages from other sources. > encoding issue. go to the "message" menu,and change the encoding. in most cases, selecting "auto" will work. tal. > I hope someone can help. > > TIA = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KMail questions
On Friday 13 December 2002 13:54, shlomo solomon wrote: > On Friday 13 December 2002 13:38, Amir Tal wrote: > > what version are you using ? > > i am using 3.0.4 and i dont think there is an option (like in knode, for > > example...) but i do believe that it was added to CVS and will be > > included in 3.1 final (check the kde archives, i saw something about it > > last week..) > > Sorry - should have written that I'm using 3.0.3 - from the MDK 9.0 CD. I > hope you're right about this being added soon :-) IIRC it will. > > > > PROBLEM: I attached a snapshot of a message from the list. Can anyone > > > tell me why the left side of the message looks like this? It happens > > > to ALL messages from the list but (so far) hasn't happened to > > > messages from other sources. > > > > encoding issue. > > go to the "message" menu,and change the encoding. > > in most cases, selecting "auto" will work. > > I checked and it already was **auto**, so I decided to try Hebrew > iso-8859-8-i and that solved the problem. I just hope it doesn't scew up > mail from other sources. > you can always change the encoding back. tal. > thanks = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KMail questions
On Friday 13 December 2002 13:48, Alex Chudnovsky wrote: > On Friday 13 December 2002 13:09, shlomo solomon wrote: > > As part of my move fro MDK 8.1 to MDK 9.0, I also decided to try KMail > > (instead of XFMail that I've used for years. So far, I'm quite > > satisfied. But I have one question and one problem and I haven't > > found any information on either of them. > > > > QUESTION: Is there a way to prevent the message to be immediately > > marked as read when you highlight it in the Message LIst? I'd like > > the change from unread to read to be only after a few seconds - not > > immediately. > > Yes, Settings->Configure KMail->Folders->Mark selected message as read > after n seconds. i guess you are using CVS cause its not available in 3.0.x tal. > > > PROBLEM: I attached a snapshot of a message from the list. Can anyone > > tell me why the left side of the message looks like this? It happens > > to ALL messages from the list but (so far) hasn't happened to > > messages from other sources. > > It has a lot to do with the message encoding. Change the encoding of this > particular message from "Auto" to "ISO8859-1". It is somehow perceived as > Hebrew. > > > I hope someone can help. > > I hope it helped. > > > TIA = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FreeBSD vs Linux vs Windows 2000
thought you might find this interesting : http://people.freebsd.org/~murray/bsd_flier.html -- == Amir Tal Founder, Owner Whatsup, Hebrew Linux Portal Voice:+972-8-9363164 Fax: +972-8-9363164 Cell: +972-58-978979 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: www.whatsup.org.il ICQ : 15748705 == = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RMS in israel
for those who are (still) not updated : http://net.nana.co.il/Article/?ArticleID=49331 -- == Amir Tal Founder, Owner Whatsup, Hebrew Linux Portal Voice:+972-8-9363164 Fax: +972-8-9363164 Cell: +972-58-978979 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: www.whatsup.org.il ICQ : 15748705 == = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
openoffice
installed OO from binary (ver. 1.0.1), and launching the application loads it with no fonts in the UI (empty menu's, empty splash etc...) looking at /etc/openoffice and ~/.openoffice did not tell me much (couldn't find any localization settings there. tried to change the environment variables, no luck either. installed using apt-get. debian sid, kde 3.0.5. help...? tal. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Novel RMS Questions, anyone? (was: Re: RMS, T'so and the LUG)
On Wednesday 18 December 2002 19:43, Omer Zak wrote: if there will be enough people who want to participate in such an interview (send questions that they want to ask, that is) I'll be more then happy to do the job, translate everything and post the answers to the site for everyone's use. tal. > On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Ely Levy wrote: > > oh and one last idea, > > How about asking him for an interview for whatsup? > > something in slashdot style where people send questions and he get > > to answer the few more asked ones. I think that would make a lot of > > people happy. > > Beside the political questions, are there any interesting questions, which > Hebrew-speaking Mideast people may ask, and which were not already asked > by countless Slashdot readers and contributors? > --- Omer > WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RMS, T'so and the LUG
On Wednesday 18 December 2002 20:40, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > Ely Levy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > btw oleg the part about we going to contact RMS so don't overflow him > > and then saying that if only 10 people can you meet him then all the rest > > should wait for whatever, it sounds kind of bad. > > it's like saying his mine his mine anyone who want to talk to him should > > go through me. > > well just noting I guess if anyone has the right to do that it's you and > > mulix being the celebraty of our LUG;) > > No, no, sorry for misunderstanding. I certainly hope that he won't say > anything of the kind, and I don't know what we should do in that > case. I just didn't think there should be a barrage from emails to him > from different people saying "Would you accept a free pint from some > people from the local LUG / free s/w community / whatever." Obviously, > I am not going to even raise the question about the number of people > who will attend. > > I do think that if he say, the evening of the 9th in Haifa is OK, but > I am busy on the 8th, then it will be in Haifa on the 9th because it > is convenient to him, even if it is inconvenient for some of the IGLU > members. I thought it was reasonable. > > If he says no, I'll post it to the list, and anyone who wants can try > again. As things stand now, anyone can send him an email. I just > thought it would be a good idea to do something co-ordinated. I > promise to post whatever he says, if anything. > > Someone had to start... > > I remeber drinking beer with Maddog - I don't think there were 10 > people there, by the way, and that's after a meeting which dozens > of people attended... > > > oh and one last idea, > > How about asking him for an interview for whatsup? > > something in slashdot style where people send questions and he get > > to answer the few more asked ones. I think that would make a lot of > > people happy. > > Amir? as i said before, let's gather the questions, set the date and manner for the interview (in person, online etc...) and i'll be happy to do it. tal. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
XFree issues
--Boundary_(ID_cXO4Po6uRhx8xjFxviW3ow) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT OK, now I'm really pissed ! its been like 3 hours now, that i am trying to get over this problem, and its like obvious that one of you geniuses will see the config file and the answer will just pop in front of you...right ? ;) while trying to get a better driver for my Neomagic VGA card, i've installed the svga server, and debconf screwed up my XF86Config-4, which i was stupid enough NOT to backup first.. (what an ass hole...) anyway, my mouse stopped responding properly. its moving like crazy inside X, and not responding in console (gpm installed) removed the svga server, went back to the original configuration, changed manually EVERYTHING i know how (protocols, devices etc) and the damm thing just wont work ! debian sid, 2.4.18, xfree 4.2.1-4, logitech cordless optical mouse. now, before I'll proceed to shooting myself : HELP ! tal. --Boundary_(ID_cXO4Po6uRhx8xjFxviW3ow) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name=XF86Config-4 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: attachment; filename=XF86Config-4 ### BEGIN DEBCONF SECTION # XF86Config-4 (XFree86 server configuration file) generated by dexconf, the # Debian X Configuration tool, using values from the debconf database. # # Edit this file with caution, and see the XF86Config-4 manual page. # (Type "man XF86Config-4" at the shell prompt.) # # If you want your changes to this file preserved by dexconf, only make changes # before the "### BEGIN DEBCONF SECTION" line above, and/or after the # "### END DEBCONF SECTION" line below. # # To change things within the debconf section, run the command: # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # as root. Also see "How do I add custom sections to a dexconf-generated # XF86Config or XF86Config-4 file?" in /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz. Section "Files" FontPath"unix/:7100"# local font server # if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi" EndSection Section "Module" Load"GLcore" Load"bitmap" Load"dbe" Load"ddc" Load"dri" Load"extmod" Load"freetype" Load"glx" Load"int10" Load"record" Load"speedo" Load"type1" Load"vbe" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Generic Keyboard" Driver "keyboard" Option "CoreKeyboard" Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" Option "XkbModel" "pc105" Option "XkbLayout" "us" EndSection #Section "InputDevice" # Identifier "Configured Mouse" # Driver "mouse" # Option "CorePointer" # Option "Device""/dev/psaux" # Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2" # Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" #EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Generic Mouse" Driver "mouse" Option "SendCoreEvents""true" Option "Device""/dev/psaux" Option "CorePointer" Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Generic Video Card" Driver "neomagic" VideoRam4000 EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Generic Monitor" HorizSync 28-50 VertRefresh 43-75 Option "DPMS" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" Device "Generic Video Card" Monitor "Generic Monitor" DefaultDepth24 SubSection "Display" Depth 1 Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 4 Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 15 Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection SubSection "Display"
Re: XFree issues - Solved
On Wednesday 18 December 2002 21:10, Omer Zak wrote: until now, i still don't know what was the problem, but adding Option "SWCursor" "True" to the "Device" section, solved the problem. i still wish to know what the hell went wrong though... tal. > If you can spare a partition in your hard disk (or, better, if your hard > disk/s are in removable drawers), then you can make a fresh > minimal Debian installation in the spare partition. Once the fresh > installation is working, copy the XF86Config-4 created there to your > regular installation. > > If you followed the safe practice of giving a separate partition to /var > and/or /tmp, then you can temporarily move them to the root partition, > modify your fstab, and then install. > After rebuilding the XF86Config-4, go back to the original configuration. > > I believe that all this can be done in less than an hour (including few > reboots). > --- Omer > WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html > > On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Amir Tal wrote: > > OK, now I'm really pissed ! > > its been like 3 hours now, that i am trying to get over this problem, and > > its like obvious that one ofyou geniuses will see the config file and the > > answer will just pop in front of you...right ? ;) > > > > while trying to get a better driver for my Neomagic VGA card, i've > > installed the svga server, and debconf screwed up my XF86Config-4, which > > i was stupid enough NOT to backup first.. (what an ass hole...) > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XFree issues
On Wednesday 18 December 2002 21:15, Alex Chudnovsky wrote: > On Wednesday 18 December 2002 20:50, Amir Tal wrote: > > Section "InputDevice" > > Identifier "Generic Mouse" > > Driver "mouse" > > Option "SendCoreEvents""true" > > This option is redundant, to say the least - "CorePointer" will suffice. > "SendCoreEvents" is used if you want to configure two or more mice - for > the second mouse and further. removed. > > > Option "Device""/dev/psaux" > > Option "CorePointer" > > Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" > > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > > EndSection > > Seems all right to me. Now, I recall that X may somehow interfere with gpm > - at least it used to be like this in the past. Did you try to disable gpm > before starting X? yes, it didnt matter much. like i said, i added Option "SWCursor" "True" to the device section, and that seems, for some reason, to solve the problem. tal. > > > ### END DEBCONF SECTION > > > > --Boundary_(ID_cXO4Po6uRhx8xjFxviW3ow)-- > > > > = > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Questions to RMS (was: Re: RMS, T'so and the LUG)
On Wednesday 18 December 2002 21:06, Omer Zak wrote: OK, so far i have questions from omer and eli. keep sending them in, and I'll create a final list of questions, and post it here for your approval. tal. > Meanwhile I thought about questions to RMS. > > 1. What is RMS' exact position about software which is burned into ROM and >put into an instrument/device/appliance? Should the customer have >access to the source code and to a means for replacing the software? > > 2. What if the "ROM" mentioned in (1) is really a PROM or flash ROM, which >is modifiable in field? > > 3. Sometimes, in order to be able to finish modifying software for which >you have the source code, you need to be able to prove that your >modification has no unintended consequences. Therefore you need access >to a regression test suite. >In view of the above, should such a regression test suite be >considered as "source code" (meaning form in which is the easiest to >modify the software) as far as GPL is concerned? If not, why not? > > On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Ely Levy wrote: > > ok I have 2 to offer, > > [... snipped ...] > > --- Omer > WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: site revised
On Thursday 19 December 2002 13:29, you wrote: are we going back again to this issue ? i thought we have a policy against those kind of things. i can live with a company looking for employees. it's helping people find jobs, and i am all for it. but promoting your personal business here ? enough is enough ! how about I'll start sending links to my personal business homepage to ? how about everyone else will do to ? so what if your business is linux\Unix oriented (so am i). tal. > Just finished final polishing my site. > > http://www.uadm.com > > If you need a unix administrator, this is the site for you. > > If you want your site redesign, post a project and get around 5-10 bids. > > If you're looking for work, small php job, mysql, script installation, > use this site to bid on your projects. > > Regards, > Guy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Questions to RMS (was: Re: RMS, T'so and the LUG)
On Wednesday 18 December 2002 21:06, Omer Zak wrote: the RMS visit is getting closer and closer. if you people are serious about creating a list of questions for a translated interview, please send them to me, and I'll add them to omer's and eli's. tal. > Meanwhile I thought about questions to RMS. > > 1. What is RMS' exact position about software which is burned into ROM and >put into an instrument/device/appliance? Should the customer have >access to the source code and to a means for replacing the software? > > 2. What if the "ROM" mentioned in (1) is really a PROM or flash ROM, which >is modifiable in field? > > 3. Sometimes, in order to be able to finish modifying software for which >you have the source code, you need to be able to prove that your >modification has no unintended consequences. Therefore you need access >to a regression test suite. >In view of the above, should such a regression test suite be >considered as "source code" (meaning form in which is the easiest to >modify the software) as far as GPL is concerned? If not, why not? > > On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Ely Levy wrote: > > ok I have 2 to offer, > > [... snipped ...] > > --- Omer > WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Questions to RMS (was: Re: RMS, T'so and the LUG)
On Monday 23 December 2002 10:49, Dvir Volk wrote: > > the RMS visit is getting closer and closer. RMS does not strike me as the kind of guy that will postpone a visit over something silly like a little war... did you read this guy's political doc's?? :) tal. > > As well, it appears, as the war in Iraq. I just hope the whole event > won't be canceled. > > To unsubscribe, send mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message > body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Questions to RMS (was: Re: RMS, T'so and the LUG)
On Monday 23 December 2002 14:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we are fully intended to do just that ;) tal. > Unless he's willing to swim here, if you believe the newspapers and > remember the previous war, commercial flights will cease in case some > objects start flying in unauthorized vertical paths. > > :-) > > Practical suggestion - let's just plan as if everything is going to be > ok and at worst the plans will get cancelled. > > > On Monday 23 December 2002 10:49, Dvir Volk wrote: > > > > the RMS visit is getting closer and closer. > > > > RMS does not strike me as the kind of guy that will postpone > > a visit over > > something silly like a little war... did you read this guy's > > political > > doc's?? > > > > :) > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uhmm
On Monday 23 December 2002 20:43, Meir Michanie wrote: > ftping from my pc to the uploads ftp of surceforge does not work either. > but I have no problem with other sites. > sugestions? please elaborate on the "either" part. tal. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
alsa configuration
so i've decided not to let my tecra8000 laptop get away with it, and to give one last effort to making the sound work (which did work a few months ago with mandrake 8.2 and 2 years ago with windows.) machine : toshiba tecra8000 running kernel : 2.4.18-bf2.4 precompiled. sound chip :(YMF715E or YMF719E) loaded module : opl3-sa3 here's my lsmod : # lsmod |grep opl opl3sa2 7776 0 (autoclean) ad1848 20640 0 (autoclean) [opl3sa2] mpu401 18720 0 (autoclean) [opl3sa2] sound 52844 0 (autoclean) [opl3sa2 ad1848 mpu401] isa-pnp27400 0 (autoclean) [opl3sa2 ad1848] here's the latest opl3 related dmesg entries : # dmesg |grep opl opl3sa2: No PnP cards found opl3sa2: Search for a card at 0x1336. opl3sa2: chipset version = 0x5 opl3sa2: Found OPL3-SA3 (YMF715E or YMF719E) opl3sa2: Control I/O port 0x538 not free opl3sa2: There was a problem probing one of the ISA PNP cards, continuing opl3sa2: Control I/O port 0x538 not free opl3sa2: There was a problem probing one of the ISA PNP cards, continuing opl3sa2: Control I/O port 0x538 not free opl3sa2: There was a problem probing one of the ISA PNP cards, continuing and here's my modules.conf relevant entries : alias synth0 opl3 options opl3 io=0x388 note - for some reason, there's no sound device displayed in lspci. so the modules are loading with no errors in loading time, and dmesg seems to recognize the device, but i cant get sound to work, not with arts, not with alsa. (alsaconf says that it cant load module snd, and gives a bunch of ugly debug info.) HELP ! my fingers a bleeding from googling for information, and there's aint much info about that damm piece of crup out there ! (that damm old laptop, i need a new one!) :) -- == Tal Amir, Founder, Owner Whatsup, Hebrew Linux Portal. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.whatsup.org.il ICQ : 15748705 == = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
kde 3.1 RC5 menus
i've upgraded to RC5 a few days ago, and i noticed that in some of kde's applications there's a big mess in the menu's. some of the menu's in Kmail are titled "no text!", and in konqueror, some menu's are duplicated. also, there are some duplicated toolbar buttons. does this have anything to do with the fact that the old qt packages were upgraded (current qt is 3.1.0), and if not, what am i missing ? i know for a fact that RC5 doesn't suppose to have those problems. tal. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kde 3.1 RC5 menus
On Tuesday 24 December 2002 22:32, Michael Stolovitzsky wrote: > On Tuesday 24 December 2002 22:15, Amir Tal wrote: > > i've upgraded to RC5 a few days ago, and i noticed that in some of kde's > > applications there's a big mess in the menu's. > > some of the menu's in Kmail are titled "no text!", and in konqueror, some > > menu's are duplicated. also, there are some duplicated toolbar buttons. > > > > does this have anything to do with the fact that the old qt packages were > > upgraded (current qt is 3.1.0), and if not, what am i missing ? > > i know for a fact that RC5 doesn't suppose to have those problems. > > > > tal. > > Nope, my guess would be the packaging system screwed up, specifying a wrong > base name for KDE. this will be weird, since i know of at least 2 people that are using the same system as me (debian sid) and installed from the same source (using apt-get). so unless this is a system-specific bug, i have no idea what can be that cause for that... tal. > > > = > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
a tread worth reading
try not to flame me for doing this. my goal here is NOT to promote the site. i just think that many people here will have something to say about the subject, which was discussed here before, and will probably be discussed again in the future. http://whatsup.org.il/modules.php?mop=modload&name=Forum&file=viewtopic&topic=775&forum=15 -- == Tal Amir, Founder, Owner Whatsup, Hebrew Linux Portal. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.whatsup.org.il ICQ : 15748705 == = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: a tread worth reading
On Wednesday 25 December 2002 15:36, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote: > Hi, > > What happened to the _good_ practice of telling what the thread is > about? sorry about that. > For the impatient, it's about "Linux for newbies, especially > Israelies: fact or myth" (my definition. The formal one is > "Why Linbrew is not needed"). > yes, but the discussion is also about linux vs. windows and the average user in general. > I must say I haven't found there even one argument for or against > that I haven't already heard elsewhere. But it's an interesting > subject nonetheless. i said that it was discussed here in the past, and will probably be discussed again. tal. > > Didi > > On Wed, Dec 25, 2002 at 02:31:56PM +0200, Amir Tal wrote: > > try not to flame me for doing this. my goal here is NOT to promote the > > site. i just think that many people here will have something to say about > > the subject, which was discussed here before, and will probably be > > discussed again in the future. > > > > http://whatsup.org.il/modules.php?mop=modload&name=Forum&file=viewtopic&t > >opic=775&forum=15 > > > > -- > > == > > Tal Amir, > > Founder, Owner > > Whatsup, Hebrew Linux Portal. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.whatsup.org.il > > ICQ : 15748705 > > == > > > > = > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kde 3.1 RC5 menus
On Friday 27 December 2002 01:59, Ilya Konstantinov wrote: > On Wed, Dec 25, 2002 at 01:00:52AM +0200, Amir Tal wrote: > > On Tuesday 24 December 2002 22:32, Michael Stolovitzsky wrote: > > > On Tuesday 24 December 2002 22:15, Amir Tal wrote: > > > > i've upgraded to RC5 a few days ago, and i noticed that in some of > > > > kde's applications there's a big mess in the menu's. > > > > some of the menu's in Kmail are titled "no text!", and in konqueror, > > > > some menu's are duplicated. also, there are some duplicated toolbar > > > > buttons. > > > > > > > > does this have anything to do with the fact that the old qt packages > > > > were upgraded (current qt is 3.1.0), and if not, what am i missing ? > > > > i know for a fact that RC5 doesn't suppose to have those problems. > > > > > > > > tal. > > > > > > Nope, my guess would be the packaging system screwed up, specifying a > > > wrong base name for KDE. > > > > this will be weird, since i know of at least 2 people that are using the > > same system as me (debian sid) and installed from the same source (using > > apt-get). so unless this is a system-specific bug, i have no idea what > > can be that cause for that... > > I had similar problems between various KDE upgrades. I never found out > the reason for this problem and usually the solution was to purge my > KDE installation completely (apt-get --purge remove ...), then > double-check /etc, /usr/share and other dirs to make sure there are no > KDE leftovers, and if there are, delete them. Then, apt-get install kde > again. > > I know what I'm describing is "voodoo" and not a real solution, but > that's the best I can offer :) if this is happening in previous (stable) versions of KDE as well, then we must be doing something wrong here. i thought that this is an RC issue, and the fact that i could not find anything about that in google and kde.org cant be a good sign. did anyone else experience this, and came up with a reasonable solution ? tal. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RMS, IBM and whatsup.org.il
all, we were contacted by IBM with a request to help them promote the RMS visit. several other sites are also running a banner for those events (Ynet, Walla and several others) but we were chosen as the official linux source for the promotion, so we are representing the entire community by doing so. feel free to click on the banner, its for a good cause, and will show a lot of interest in the visit from a linux specific community, which is why they addressed us in the first place. -- == Tal Amir, Founder, Owner Whatsup, Hebrew Linux Portal. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.whatsup.org.il ICQ : 15748705 == = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: YNET Article about "HaMakor"
On Tuesday 31 December 2002 02:23, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > Events have, as usual, run ahead of everyone else. We also now have an > official press release saying we now officially don't have a society > just yet, and we will defenitely officially issue an official statement > as soon as we do. > > Read all about it at the source http://www.hamakor.org.il > > P.S. > The site is, officially, a draft. Am I taking this official stuff too > far :-)? officially ? yes ;) tal. > > Katriel Traum wrote: > >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >Hello list, > >Gal Mor's written and published an article y'all might find interesting > > about the new amuta > >http://www.ynet.co.il/home/0,7340,L-824,00.html > >- -- > >+katrielëúøéàì+ > >pgp key: traum.org.il/gpg.asc > >-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > >Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > > > >iD8DBQE+ENhFDWy+Hv/461sRAhEvAKCXGDtvSIFRqx+Xs/eCfgoTqnIojwCgsi/2 > >KB1nCbgNcJblJyeob+z9nbs= > >=g28V > >-END PGP SIGNATURE- > > > > > >=== > >To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > >the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > >echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
screenshots
all, we want to start a new "screenshots" section at the site, where you will be able to send your desktop screenshots to us, and we will publish them in a dedicated section at whatsup. newbies that are asking "how does linux look like" can be forwarded to that section, plus, its a good way to brag with your latest theme, wallpaper etc etc... :) please send your chosen screenshot(s) to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] on a later stage, those shots will be also used in other newbies-dedicated sections of the site. (don't forget to hide sensitive info like addressbooks, IM information etc) thanks, -- == Tal Amir, Founder, Owner Whatsup, Hebrew Linux Portal. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.whatsup.org.il ICQ : 15748705 == = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
event reschedule
all, the people and computers event was moved to march 6. for more details please see : http://www.whatsup.org.il/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=18 -- == Tal Amir, Founder, Owner Whatsup, Hebrew Linux Portal. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.whatsup.org.il ICQ : 15748705 == = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stallman interviewed in Haaretz Friday Magazine
On Thursday 02 January 2003 20:07, Dan Kenigsberg wrote: is it just me, or does this page requires registration to Haaretz ?? tal. > You may find it interesting to follow the following link (reg req unless > jscript disabled [*]): > > http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasite/pages/ShArtPE.jhtml?itemNo=247510&contrassI >D=2&subContrassID=13&sbSubContrassID=0 > > And if you wondered, it does feature the Xerox printer anecdote. > > > -- > [*] archiving this message in the USA may violate the DMCA. > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RMS story in ynet
On Friday 03 January 2003 15:36, Ely Levy wrote: RMS story in walla, maybe ;) > http://news.walla.co.il/ts.cgi?tsscript=item&path=4&id=331040 > > I think it's nothing original but qoutes from old places > > Ely Levy > System group > Hebrew University > Jerusalem Israel > > > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cables configuration
On Sunday 05 January 2003 00:18, Eran Levy wrote: > At 23:53 04/01/2003 +0200, you wrote: > >On Saturday 04 January 2003 21:01, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > > > >walla is blocked for pings. ping iglu.org.il, see if that works. > >also, i didn't see you entering your username in the connection string. > > you should do "./cablestart username". (make sure your password is > > entered at /etc/ppp/pap-secrets, and that you have "noauth" disabled at > >/etc/ppp/options) > > I cant ping nothing. Only the 194.90.1.5 and my IPs only (you know, the > 212.something and 10.something IPs). > Im starting the cablestart with my username. without the username you're > getting an error. my > pap-secrets and options files as they should be. > > any idea? what does your /etc/resolv.conf say ? tal. > > >tal. > > > > > On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, Eran Levy wrote: > > > > >You can or you can'tping the outside world? > > > > > > > > I cant ping the outside world. I can only ping my IP addresses > > > > (212.something...and the 10.something addresses) > > > > > > > > >Can you ping an IP address? > > > > > > > > > >Try pinging your default gateway . Try 194.90.1.5 > > > > > > > > I can ping 194.90.1.5. > > > > but I cant ping www.walla.co.il and their IP address. It doesnt even > > > > give me a "Request timed out" answer. When I ping it gives Nothing. > > > > > > So what IP access exactly do you have? > > > > > > Maybe someone's blocking pings and traceroutes. I can't ping the walla > > > site either. It seems teletel are blocking icmp packets. > > > > > > Can you telnet to their port 80? > > > > > > Can you resolve DNS from their name server? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cables configuration
On Sunday 05 January 2003 03:08, Xavier Gentoo wrote: the address that he can ping is 194.90.1.5, which is netvision's primary DNS server, which is not accessible to him from the internal golden channels network, unless he is connected. so this is obviously a name resolution problem, not routing. my guess is a missing or incorrect "nameserver" entry in his /etc/resolv.conf tal. > Please paste: > > Output of ifconfig > Output of ip route show (or route if you don't have iproute) > Contents of /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/hosts > > On Sunday 05 January 2003 00:14, Eran Levy wrote: > > At 21:01 04/01/2003 +0200, you wrote: > > >On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, Eran Levy wrote: > > > > >You can or you can'tping the outside world? > > > > > > > > I cant ping the outside world. I can only ping my IP addresses > > > > (212.something...and the 10.something addresses) > > > > > > > > >Can you ping an IP address? > > > > > > > > > >Try pinging your default gateway . Try 194.90.1.5 > > > > > > > > I can ping 194.90.1.5. > > > > but I cant ping www.walla.co.il and their IP address. It doesnt even > > > > give me a "Request timed out" answer. When I ping it gives Nothing. > > > > > >So what IP access exactly do you have? > > > > > >Maybe someone's blocking pings and traceroutes. I can't ping the walla > > >site either. It seems teletel are blocking icmp packets. > > > > > >Can you telnet to their port 80? > > > > nope. I cant see the outside. I can ping 194.90.1.5 and my IPs only. I > > cant see the outside. > > > > >Can you resolve DNS from their name server? > > > > No. Thats what I say. Thats the problem I cant resolve names. > > What I have told was that when Im running route Im getting the routing > > table after something like a minute and when Im running the netstat with > > the -n option - means to not resolve names Im getting the routing tables > > in a second. > > I cant nslookup nothing. > > > > >-- > > >Tzafrir Cohen > > >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir > > > > = > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "Whatsup" in "Kalkala" of "Yediot Ahronot"
On Sunday 05 January 2003 11:24, Boulgakov Andrei wrote: > Kalkala 5.1.2003 P.11 "Israeli penguin" > Congratulations, Amir! fifth time on Ynet this year, good for us ! ;) nice to see linux on the news more often then before. tal. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
kazza lite and wine
$ dpkg -l |grep wine ii libwine0.0.20021219-1 Windows Emulator (Library) ii wine 0.0.20021219-1 Windows Emulator (Binary Emulator) ii winesetuptk0.6.0b-1.1 Windows Emulator (Configuration and Setup To $ uname -a Linux tal 2.4.18-bf2.4 #1 Son Apr 14 09:53:28 CEST 2002 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux when trying to install kazza, i get an ugly win98 popup message that says kazza requires windows ver. 4.1 or higher. same thing happends with running wine from terminal or from CrossOver Office. error from terminal : $ wine kazaa_lite_202_english_kpp_v202_edition.exe Invoking /usr/bin/wine.bin kazaa_lite_202_english_kpp_v202_edition.exe ... X Error of failed request: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) Major opcode of failed request: 15 (X_QueryTree) Resource id in failed request: 0x3a00072 Serial number of failed request: 223 Current serial number in output stream: 223 Wine exited with a successful status help...? -- == Tal Amir, Founder, Owner Whatsup, Hebrew Linux Portal. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.whatsup.org.il ICQ : 15748705 MSN : [EMAIL PROTECTED] == = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dealing with low disk space
On Sunday 12 January 2003 13:07, Nadav Har'El wrote:
people, what all the fuss about ?
didn't shoshnnah ONLY want to know how much free space she has on each
partition ? what's wrong with a simple "df -h" ? :)
as for the OO installation, my guess is that its a simple low space in /tmp or
~/tmp issue.
tal.
> On Sun, Jan 12, 2003, Shoshannah Forbes wrote about "Dealing with low disk
space":
> > Is there any utility out there that can help me figure out what is
> > using all my HD space and what can be removed safely, without making a
> > mess?
>
> Several people suggested "du" to you.
> Du would be very useful when used on your own home directory, to find
> files which you created and that you consider are safe to delete.
>
> But it's not very useful outside your own directory; When du tells you
> that "/usr" takes 2 GB, how do you know what in there you can safely
> delete?
>
> Also, when running on an RPM-based system (such as Redhat) you are not
> supposed (usually) to remove individual programs - you are supposed to
> remove a package, which removes the program along with whichever other
> files were installed with it.
> Another benefit of using "rpm -e packagename" to remove a whole package
> instead of trying to remove individual files yourself, is that "rpm -e"
> won't let you remove something that something else depends on.
> For example, it won't let you remove some shared library you think is not
> important, if another program is using that library and you didn't remove
> that other program first.
>
> What you'll probably want to do is to list all the packages on your system
> in size-order (so that you can focus on checking and maybe deleting the
> largest ones). Do this by running
>
> rpm -q --queryformat "%{NAME} %{SIZE}\n" -a | sort +1nr | less
>
> Now, look at the largest RPMs. If you can't what a certain RPM is, run
>
> rpm -qil packagename | less
>
> to show you the package's description ('i') and the files it includes
> ('l').
>
> When a package seems useless to you, say a package of Swedish translations
> of KDE messages, feel free to "rpm -e" it (you'll need to run "rpm -e" as
> root, obviously).
> Rpm -e will, again, refuse to remove packages that something else depends
> on, so you have nothing to fear.
>
> Just try not to remove packages that you use yourself ;)
>
> Another tip: on Redhat, many libraries come in two seperate packages,
> a normal package and a -devel packages (for example "gnome-libs" and
> "gnome-libs-devel"). If you are never planning to compile anything on your
> machine, you can remove most of these -devel packages. I would leave
> glibc-devel behind, though - because without it you'll not be able to
> compile any C program, at all (hmm, some people might not even care about
> that).
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Re: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers
On Tuesday 21 January 2003 11:14, Yotam Medini wrote: 1) sending once is enough. 2) who are you ? 3) if you want that kind of list, create it first ! then ask for help maintaining \ hosting it. tal. > Let's establish a 'black list' of Israeli sites not supporting > Linux browsers. A specific category (dark-black) could be for sites > whose main category is about computers. > > Let me suggest a candidate: > >www.ksp.co.il > > -- yotam > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: U.S visa issues
this is WAY OT, but i thought i should share this with this list, because i know there are people here that travel to the united states from time to time, not always for work purposes. i am STILL in Israel. i was planned to departure more then a month ago, and it seems that leaving the country is NOT as simple as some of you may think. if you plan to go for a little trip, even as a tourist, with the full honest intention to come back after a few weeks, you will actually need to provide solid proofs for your intentions.. that includes : * a letter from your current employer stating that you have a current place of employment in Israel, and that your employer states that you have your job safe and secure until you come back. (letter must state the length of the trip as well.) * pay slips. in many cases, the latest will do. i saw people at the embassy that were asked for 3-6. * a bank statement that proves you can afford your trip and expenses while you are on U.S soil. last week, i've spent almost 4 hours at the embassy waiting for an interview, and almost 30 appliers before me got DECLINED ! most of them, young people that just got out of the army, and wanted to go for a trip, but there were also married couples, a business man (independent) that needed to go on a business trip, and even 2 senior citizens. (what are they gonna do, immigrate??). just though this info might come in handy for some of you, in case you *thought* to take a brake, and go for a trip to the land of (un)limited possibilities. BTW, this is old news, but very much related : http://www.whatsup.org.il/article.php?sid=159 (both applications ended up being approoved.) -- == Tal Amir, Founder, Owner Whatsup, Hebrew Linux Portal. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.whatsup.org.il ICQ : 15748705 MSN : [EMAIL PROTECTED] == = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Microsoft's advantages
how typical for them to take advantage of the ignorance of some unexperienced readers, and come out with something like "we are not talking to our costumers anymore about the disadvantages of linux, we are focusing our arguments about our advantages over it". :) http://www.whatsup.org.il/article.php?sid=882 quoting a line from the comment at the bottom of the interview : "is this another attempt to take advantage of ignorance and lack of experience from innocent readers?" i wonder if this is the new technique from now on... -- == Tal Amir, Founder, Owner Whatsup, Hebrew Linux Portal. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.whatsup.org.il ICQ : 15748705 MSN : [EMAIL PROTECTED] == = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
linux events pictures
hi all, (and sorry for the cross posting) we are developing a new feature for whatsup.org.il that will operate as a screenshot gallery (send'm if you got'm - [EMAIL PROTECTED]) and as a Photo album. the purpose of the album will be to display pictures from events, lectures, insta-parties and all other linux\open source related events in Israel, in a categorized, well organized and very user-friendly manner. if anyone has any pictures from the IBM event (both days, RMS specially), the raanana insta-party or the legendary august-penguins, or you can redirect me to the person who has the pictures, please do so. links to photographs on the web are also more then welcomed. please send links only if YOU are the pictures owner, along with a message permitting me to use\publish them. we'll announce the new gallery in a day or two, when its ready to rock'n roll. thanks, -- == Tal Amir, Founder, Owner Whatsup, Hebrew Linux Portal. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.whatsup.org.il ICQ : 15748705 MSN : [EMAIL PROTECTED] == = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
the internet is attacked...again.
using MS-SQL in your organization ? be aware ! http://www.whatsup.org.il/article.php?sid=906 and expect a call from your boss during the weekend ;) -- == Tal Amir, Founder, Owner Whatsup, Hebrew Linux Portal. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.whatsup.org.il ICQ : 15748705 MSN : [EMAIL PROTECTED] == = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
