On Monday 23 September 2002 20:41, Ma'ayan Eshed wrote: > Like some others, I didn't read all the HOWTO, but, being one of those > "rare items" (aka a linuxchick) , I felt the urge share my opinion on the > subject. > > > On Monday 23 September 2002 00:59, Oded Arbel wrote: > > > Amir Tal wrote: > > > >come to think of it, why dont we see more weman involved with linux ? > > from Orna's email: > > This essay is not just about women in Linux. Many of the points > > are relevant to newbies in general, and to women in a mainly-male > > environment in general. > > First, it's true that the issue of newbies is related to women newbies, but > the subject of women linux users is different. I personally don't think > women and men are the same in every way, mentally or other, and I don't > think that's a bad thing. > Second, there are, as we all know, less women using linux than men, in > israel. I hang the colar for that on the way children are being raised. > To demonstrate, here is an example from my own childhood: > > When I had my Bat-Mitzva, the presents ranged gross pink wearing-items to > impracticle-though-expenssive jewlery. when My little bro had HIS > Bar-Mitzva, he got stuff like proffessional toolkits. Not needless to > mention - I never used any of MY presents, and he never used his. I used > his. When he was gracious enough to let me.
did he use yours to ? ;) > Another example - my parents never allowed me even to change a light-bolb > (guess I can't blame em, with > all the blonde-and-a-lightbolbs jokes around). I DID change those > lightbolbs, as a very young kid, and I even electrecuted myself because my > dad wasn't kind enough to take me under his wing and explain to me one > shouldn't touche both those curious metal pieces at the same time, with > bare hands. oops. its almost a "must" to comment on the "blonde-and-a-lightbolbs" thingie, but forget it ;) > > Maybe because I have had that excitting encounter with that electric shock, > or maybe it's because my parents HAVE taught me to be curious > and investigative (and not to give attention to male chauvinists), I now > use linux (for 2-3 years allready, I think). I've started with practically > zero experience and learning linux wasn't hard, the other linux users I > know were allmost allways supportive (and pretty rarely oversupportive, > which I find just as discouraging) . > > Bottom line: > Chauvinism is a problem, but not the biggest. You want women to use linux, > take your girls to the instaparty, show 'em your computer, tell 'em > interesting thisngs about linux and about how stable and fun the system is. > Make 'em stick around when you and the boys are disscussing iptables etc.. > And DON'T lie and say linux is easy to master! for some people it's not > trivial and easy, even if they are proggramers.. by saying it's an easy > system you'll only drive them away; when failing - by making them feel they > are incompetent, when doing well - by taking away the rewarding feeling of > success (this is true for male newbies as well). > > Ho, and another thing, make woman RTFM. Won't do if you install linux on > her machine, configure and maintain it. They won't learn to use the system, > and you'll get a headache. This is true also for replacing lightbolbs btw. > > On Sunday 22 September 2002 22:13, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: > > we actually have few weman who use Linux - Orna here and I forgot the > > other > > > girl's name - and you can see Nana's forum - there are few more girls who > > use Linux. > > 1.I'm very glad you've forgot my name, thats one step towards equality (; > 2.FYI - I pesronally know atleast 2 more women who use linux and don't take > part in this mailing list (; > may i ask why ? because i would love to see more of you participate here. tal. > maayan ================================================================To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
