[LincolnTalk] Trails decision tonight?

[Deborah Howe via Lincoln]


Just a reminder that the Lincoln Conservation Commission will be discussing 
proposed revisions to the trails policy tonight at 8 pm. Their meeting agenda 
and Zoom link are available here:
 https://www.lincolntown.org/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Agenda/_06012022-4544

The Conservation Department has held two Zoom calls — one in November 2021 and 
the second on May 18 — first to discuss the idea of revamping Lincoln’s trail 
policies and then to reveal the draft proposed policy. Attendees were asked for 
their comments, both in the Zoom calls and in writing, and at the May 18 call 
(the one I was able to attend) there was lively and respectful discussion.

The proposed policy changes will affect trail use, and the experience of 
walking on the trails. A significant expansion of recreational bicycle access 
is proposed: currently, bikes are allowed on 8 miles of trails, mostly to 
connect points in town by trail); the draft policy would expand that 8 miles to 
19 miles of bike use of point-to-point trail connections and several complexes 
of recreational trail loops, including at Mt. Misery, Pine Hill, and in Adams 
Woods. You can see the current and proposed bike access maps and the entire 
draft policy here: 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Po2vEOwZdYDkTkOiv-fP6i515q5fFmnT

Dog-walking leash requirement changes are also proposed; anyone who walks the 
trails with a dog will want to know what new leashing requirements are on the 
horizon.

The Conservation Department proposes to improve trail signage to clarify for 
trail users trail guidelines and etiquette.

The trail system was developed for the passive enjoyment of Lincoln’s 
conservation land, and to date has been mainly used by walkers of all stripes, 
with some use by cyclists. This year’s proposed changes will affect everyone 
who uses the trails, especially the walkers.

The ConComm is poised — after its discussion — to vote on the proposed trail 
policy changes tonight. If you walk on the trails and have an opinion on trail 
safety, dog-leashing, the use of e-bikes, the enforcement of new regulations, 
the preservation of soils, flora, and fauna, or any other of the concerns that 
have been raised in the Zoom calls and comments, tonight’s 8 pm Zoom is where 
to make your voice heard.

Deb Howe




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[LincolnTalk] School Priorities for 2022-23

[Susan Taylor]

School Committee Meeting

Thursday, June 2, 2022 6:00 pm

The proposed 2022-2023 District Strategic Plan, setting priorities for the 
coming school year, headlines this week’s meeting. In addition, Middle School 
principals will report on the outcomes of past year's priorities from the 
Hanscom Middle School and Lincoln 5-8 School. The committee will hear the 
Superintendent Report Annual Plan and review Superintendent Performance 
Standards and the Superintendent Summative Evaluation Process. Also on the 
agenda: 
Appointing a voting member for the CASE Collaborative Board of Directors, 
Installation of Surveillance Cameras at Hanscom schools, and 
Updates to the District's Code of Conduct policy. 

Members of the public can watch live streaming via Zoom Webinar 

 or on local access TV channels 8 and 33. 
Anyone interested in participating in the Public Comment portion of this 
meeting please email john.a.maclach...@gmail.com 
 anytime prior to 3pm the day of the 
meeting and you will be sent log-in instructions. 

To see the full Agenda click here 
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[LincolnTalk] Sign Up for the Lincoln Fire Cracker Run

[Adam M Hogue]

Hi Lincoln,

Once again the town will be hosting the annual Firecracker Run on the
morning of the 4th of July.  We ask if you plan to run or walk the event
that you sign up online.  Below is the link please share it with family and
friends.

lincolnfirecrackerrun.racewire.com


*Adam M Hogue*
*Cell: **(978) 828-6184*
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[LincolnTalk] Lincoln Public Library Weekly Update - June 1, 2022

[Robin Rapoport]

As of Saturday, January 22, 2022, the library building has reopened to the
public and we are following our regular schedule.



*Library **Hours April 25, 2022 – June 26, 2022*

Day

Hours open

Monday

1:00 pm - 8:30 pm

Tuesday

9:00 am - 6:00 pm

Wednesday

9:00 am - 8:30 pm

Thursday

9:00 am- 8:30 pm

Friday

9:00 am - 6:00 pm

Saturday

10:00 am – 5:00 pm

Sunday

Closed























Contactless pickup has ended. All reserved materials can be picked up in
our open stack reserved materials area and checked out. Patrons who have
concerns about entering the building can call the library at 781-259-8465
ext. 204 – we will be happy to check out your reserves and bring them to
the vestibule for you.



*Masks now optional in the Lincoln Public Library*

The Lincoln Board of Health (BOH) voted to rescind the town-wide indoor
mask mandate effective Monday, March 14, 2022, in response to substantially
improved and positively trending public health data, including Lincoln’s
high vaccination rate.

Residents with weakened immune systems or at increased risk of severe
Covid-19 disease because of age or medical conditions, or who have a
household member at such increased risk, are advised by the Lincoln BOH and
the Commonwealth’s Department of Public Health (DPH) to continue to wear a
mask when indoors other than in their home, even if they are vaccinated.

We encourage the public to continue to wear masks in accordance with their
own comfort level and in compliance with the DPH guidelines cited above.
Private establishments may continue to *require masks upon entry.*

*Updated indoor mask use recommendation as of April 14, 2022*: “Due to
recent data showing an increase in positive COVID-19 cases, the Board of
Health members voted last night to strongly recommend that people wear
masks in public indoor spaces until early May as we see how the infection
rate from the new BA-2 variant evolves over the next few weeks after spring
vacation.”

More information is available on the town website here.


Please visit our FAQ page

for
more information about our changes in service!





*Holiday Hours*



The Lincoln Library will be closed all day on Monday, June 20 in observance
of Juneteenth.



*Saturday Hours*

Saturday hours will run through June 26, 2022.



*Sunday Hours*

*The Lincoln Library is currently closed on Sundays. **Please note that
Sunday, April 24 was the last open Sunday until we reopen on Sundays in the
fall. Our first open Sunday will be October 16, 2022*



*Other Upcoming Events: *

Our programming will continue as scheduled. Please see our calendar
for more
information about our programs.

  

Reading Challenges


Through the generosity of the Friends of the Lincoln Library, the library
is now able to offer online reading challenges via Beanstack, a free online
service which offers book and activity logging, recommendations, reviews,
and more! As of June 1, two reading challenges are available.



*The Lincoln Library Read Local Challenge, running March 1 – November 30
(join any time!*

Learn more about our community by reading books from our Read Local reading
list about the history of Lincoln and Massachusetts, as well as fiction and
nonfiction by local authors!



*The Lincoln Library Pride Month Challenge, running June 1 – June 30*

Celebrate Pride Month by reading books that reflect and celebrate the
lives, history, and experiences of the LGBTQ+ community and completing
related activities. Choose from our list of selected titles or pick your
own!



Any participant who earns at least one badge in addition to the
registration badge will be entered to win a prize at the end of each
challenge!





 LGBTQ+ Author Panel with Emery Lee, Timothy Janovsky, Katee Robert, and
Olivia Waite


*Wednesday, June 1, 7:00pm – 8:00pm*

*Zoom*



About our authors:



Emery Lee is an author and artist whose love for chaotic and morally gray
characters started at a young age. After graduating with a degree in
creative writing, e’s gone on to author novels, short stories, and
webcomics across a variety of genres and demographics, though YA fiction
has always held a special place in eir heart. Drawing inspiration from
Eastern media, pop punk music, and personal life experience, eir work seeks
to explore the intersections of life and identity in fun, heartfelt, and
inventive ways. In eir downtime, you’ll most likely find em marathoning
anime or snuggling cute dogs.



Timothy Janovsky is a queer, multidisciplinary storyteller

[LincolnTalk] LCOA&HS- Grab and Go Lunch for Senior Dining Friday, June 3

[Gagne, Amy]

Hello to Everyone:

Please make sure to register for the Senior Dining Lunch, which is only offered 
via Grab and Go this week!
Call 781-259-8811 to rsvp
Lunch Menu: Chicken Meatballs with cacciatore Sauce and Penne

Thank you,

Amy Gagne
Assistant Director
Council On Aging & Human Services
Bemis Hall
15 Bedford Road (mailing address 16 Lincoln Road)
Lincoln, MA 01773
781-259-8811  x102
Email: gag...@lincolntown.org
Weekly Office Hours:  Tuesday through Friday
Web page: Lincolntown.org

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[LincolnTalk] Safari wagon taken!

[Katrin Roush]

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[LincolnTalk] Trail Use Proposed Changes

[Barbara Peskin]

Hi Lincoln Talk,
I haven't had a chance to read all the comments but I know people have
mentioned that the Conservation Commission is meeting tonight to vote on
whether to enact proposed changes to trail use that include going from 8 to
19 miles of trails for recreational bike use and giving permits to large
bike groups to use the trails and parking areas.

As a 25+ year walker on Lincoln Trails and cherisher of nature on those
walks, my main concern with proposed changes is that it will invite metro
west bike groups to our trails and parking areas. I sent in a detailed
letter and attended both forums. I can't attend tonight but my hope is they
will postpone enacting changes and hear from more walkers and nature
cherishers.

If you would like to get a copy of my letter which is in the public record
I'm happy to share it - it will give you more info.

I've seen other wonderful arguments and letters asking to keep bike groups
off the trails for a variety of reasons as well.

I'll close here with the thought that at the last forum one LIncoln biker
said he appreciates nature when biking on the trails alone - unfortunately
the proposed sweeping changes to the trail use all over town is going to
bring in bike groups - it's not about one or two Lincoln bike riders.

Thanks for listening. Please contact me if you would like more thoughts on
this.

Thanks,
Barbara

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[LincolnTalk] Corrected - Trail Use Proposal - not too late to postpone and impact on walkers and nature

[Barbara Peskin]

*Correction - 8 miles to 19...*

Hi Lincoln Talk,
I haven't had a chance to read all the comments but I know people have
mentioned that the Conservation Commission is meeting tonight and vote on
whether to enact proposed changes to trail use that include going from 8 to
19 miles of trails for recreational bike use and giving permits to large
bike groups to use the trails and parking areas.

As a 25+ year walker on Lincoln Trails and cherisher of nature on those
walks, my main concern with proposed changes is that it will invite metro
west bike groups to our trails and parking areas. I sent in a detailed
letter and attended both forums. I can't attend tonight but my hope is they
will postpone enacting changes and hear from more walkers and nature
cherishers.

If you would like to get a copy of my letter which is in the public record
I'm happy to share it - it will give you more info.

I've seen other wonderful arguments and letters asking to keep bike groups
off the trails for a variety of reasons as well.

I'll close here with the thought that at the last forum one LIncoln biker
said he appreciates nature when biking on the trails alone - unfortunately
the proposed sweeping changes to the trail use all over town is going to
bring in bike groups - it's not about one or two Lincoln bike riders.

Thanks for listening. Please contact me if you would like more thoughts on
this.

Thanks,
Barbara

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Corrected - Trail Use Proposal - not too late to postpone and impact on walkers and nature

[Margaret Olson]

I'd like to remind everyone that bikes are permitted on the Weston and
Concord town trails with no adverse effects that this regular walker (24
years) can detect. Nor have I heard that there are problems on those
trails. I am often on the Weston trails as I live near them.

Twenty five years ago the Lincoln Guide Service did create a problem on the
trails - but it is long gone.

On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:07 PM Barbara Peskin  wrote:

> *Correction - 8 miles to 19...*
>
> Hi Lincoln Talk,
> I haven't had a chance to read all the comments but I know people have
> mentioned that the Conservation Commission is meeting tonight and vote on
> whether to enact proposed changes to trail use that include going from 8 to
> 19 miles of trails for recreational bike use and giving permits to large
> bike groups to use the trails and parking areas.
>
> As a 25+ year walker on Lincoln Trails and cherisher of nature on those
> walks, my main concern with proposed changes is that it will invite metro
> west bike groups to our trails and parking areas. I sent in a detailed
> letter and attended both forums. I can't attend tonight but my hope is they
> will postpone enacting changes and hear from more walkers and nature
> cherishers.
>
> If you would like to get a copy of my letter which is in the public record
> I'm happy to share it - it will give you more info.
>
> I've seen other wonderful arguments and letters asking to keep bike groups
> off the trails for a variety of reasons as well.
>
> I'll close here with the thought that at the last forum one LIncoln biker
> said he appreciates nature when biking on the trails alone - unfortunately
> the proposed sweeping changes to the trail use all over town is going to
> bring in bike groups - it's not about one or two Lincoln bike riders.
>
> Thanks for listening. Please contact me if you would like more thoughts on
> this.
>
> Thanks,
> Barbara
>
> --
> ~
> Barbara Peskin
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Trail Use Proposed Changes

[Gordon Woodington]

I agree with Barbara.

Particularly in the Mt. Misery area, the change is massive, essentially all
trails are open to bikes.   I highly disapprove of this drastic excessive
radical extension over current bike routes.  More practical would be less
expansion, so less contact between between bikers and walkers, so less
dependent on assuming contact will be civil in what has become an
increasingly less civil, less polite country, if not just merely lacking
situational awareness and/or forethought.  Otherwise it will no longer be a
place for peaceful walks.

A simple example:   The other day I was weeding on my front yard next to
the public sidewalk.  A person on a bike approached me silently, so quietly
that I could not hear him.  HE ONLY ANNOUNCE HIS PRESENT AS HE WAS ON TOP
OF ME, phasically right next to me, close enough for a huge.  I was most
startled and upset.  I wondered why he did not forewarn me. Warning should
come some many seconds beforehand, but there was none from this person.  I
did not want to imagine he was intentional, just lack of forethought, so
probably true of many bikers.   I can only imagine there will be many many
much similar incidents like this one if the trail expansion happens as
proposed.  Some will crash.  He and I were just really lucky.  "Giving way"
to walkers is not an admonishment that will work in practice in my opinion.
Even a "moderate jog" could be too fast too.   It takes time for both
parties to react, decide on proper movement to avoid and then to execute.
Hopely in directions not towards each other.  Does happen though.

Separation is good.  Like in the Netherlands; places for pedestrians,
places for bike and places for vehicles.  No "overmixing".

Gordon Woodington

On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:01 PM Barbara Peskin  wrote:

> Hi Lincoln Talk,
> I haven't had a chance to read all the comments but I know people have
> mentioned that the Conservation Commission is meeting tonight to vote on
> whether to enact proposed changes to trail use that include going from 8 to
> 19 miles of trails for recreational bike use and giving permits to large
> bike groups to use the trails and parking areas.
>
> As a 25+ year walker on Lincoln Trails and cherisher of nature on those
> walks, my main concern with proposed changes is that it will invite metro
> west bike groups to our trails and parking areas. I sent in a detailed
> letter and attended both forums. I can't attend tonight but my hope is they
> will postpone enacting changes and hear from more walkers and nature
> cherishers.
>
> If you would like to get a copy of my letter which is in the public record
> I'm happy to share it - it will give you more info.
>
> I've seen other wonderful arguments and letters asking to keep bike groups
> off the trails for a variety of reasons as well.
>
> I'll close here with the thought that at the last forum one LIncoln biker
> said he appreciates nature when biking on the trails alone - unfortunately
> the proposed sweeping changes to the trail use all over town is going to
> bring in bike groups - it's not about one or two Lincoln bike riders.
>
> Thanks for listening. Please contact me if you would like more thoughts on
> this.
>
> Thanks,
> Barbara
>
> --
> ~
> Barbara Peskin
>
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[LincolnTalk] Deadline to buy tickets for June 17th Roaring 2022 Prohibition Party is June 7th at midnight! Don’t miss out!!

[Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln]

Hi Folks! 



The Roaring 2022 Prohibition Party, Friday, June 17, 6-9pm at the Pierce House. 


The deadline for buying tickets is June 7th at midnight!!

click the following link to buy tickets (tickets are $55 each):  
https://www.lincolngardenclub.org/pay-for-roaring-2022-tickets/ 
To pay by check, please mail to: Lincoln Garden Club, P.O. Box 385, Lincoln, MA 
 01773

** The event will be in the Pierce House tent with 3 sides open to the outside 
(in addition to vaccine proof required for entry).



Get ready for the Lincoln Garden Club’s Roaring 2022 Prohibition Party 
fundraiser extravaganza Friday, June 17th 6-9 pm at the Pierce House!




All proceeds will go towards maintaining our beautiful, public, Station Park 
here in Lincoln as well as towards many other community service projects 
stewarded by the LGC:




https://www.lincolngardenclub.org/about/ 

Fine hors d’ oeuvres and wine, along with two signature cocktails will be 
served! “Hooker’s Lips” High Balls and Chocolate Mint Mojitos!






Nicholas Ribush is booked and will be performing with his live brass 1920’s 
band and he has commissioned Amy Kucharik, an accomplished 1920’s vocalist, who 
will sing naughty flapper songs throughout the event!




Amy Kucharik – If I Could Shimmy Like My Sister Kate – The Sounding Board , 
10/6/18 


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This is NOT a costume party but the dress code is “cocktail glam”, so bring out 
the shimmer, sparkle and shine!




Sultry decor will abound! 




No password required at the door at this speakeasy, but you must show your 
vaccine card with 3 or 4 shots. 

 

The best part? The Minuteman Model A Club of Sudbury will be arriving with 8 of 
their 1920’s cars to provide ambience and beautiful photo backdrops as guests 
arrive!!







The tickets for this event are $55 per person. We are not planning to sell 
tickets at the door so please buy yours now. 
 Click on the paypal link below to pay.  Please do the math for the number of 
tickets you are buying to enter the amount.  Click below to buy tickets:
Lincoln Garden Club » Pay for Roaring 2022 Tickets 
  
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Joanna Schmergel Ways & Means Director Lincoln Garden Club 
https://www.lincolngardenclub.org/about/ 

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[LincolnTalk] Lincoln Arts and Farmers Market -- Opens for the season this Saturday

[Jocelyn Finlay]

The Lincoln Arts and Farmers Market will open for the season this Saturday,
9am-1pm, 145 Lincoln Rd, Lincoln MA (on the green outside the post
office/Tack Room). The market will retain its charm along with a little
more buzz this year with The Tack Room brunch options.

The line up of stalls and activities this week include,

Yoga in the Park, Free thanks to the Lincoln Garden Club, 9-10am. Contact:
Melinda Bruno melindabr...@hotmail.com

Live music thanks to Lincoln Traditional Jazz Band, 10-12pm. Contact: Nick
Ribush (617) 877-1610.

Brunch at the Tack Room, from 11am. Contact: (781) 257-5099

Stalls will have fresh baked muffins, fresh eggs, cut flowers, hand crafts,
gift cards, and I will be there for headshot photos in the park
https://jocelynfinlay.com/packages/

If you are on Facebook, like/follow our page to see photos and updates.
https://www.facebook.com/LincolnAFM

See you Saturday!

Best wishes

Jocelyn

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Lincoln Arts and Farmers Market -- Opens for the season this Saturday

[Jocelyn Finlay]

Correction: note that yoga will be happening in July only.

Live music, brunch and stalls are all on this Saturday!

See you Saturday.

Jocelyn

On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 2:08 PM Jocelyn Finlay  wrote:

> The Lincoln Arts and Farmers Market will open for the season this
> Saturday, 9am-1pm, 145 Lincoln Rd, Lincoln MA (on the green outside the
> post office/Tack Room). The market will retain its charm along with a
> little more buzz this year with The Tack Room brunch options.
>
> The line up of stalls and activities this week include,
>
> Yoga in the Park, Free thanks to the Lincoln Garden Club, 9-10am. Contact:
> Melinda Bruno melindabr...@hotmail.com
>
> Live music thanks to Lincoln Traditional Jazz Band, 10-12pm. Contact: Nick
> Ribush (617) 877-1610.
>
> Brunch at the Tack Room, from 11am. Contact: (781) 257-5099
>
> Stalls will have fresh baked muffins, fresh eggs, cut flowers, hand
> crafts, gift cards, and I will be there for headshot photos in the park
> https://jocelynfinlay.com/packages/
>
> If you are on Facebook, like/follow our page to see photos and updates.
> https://www.facebook.com/LincolnAFM
>
> See you Saturday!
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jocelyn
>
> Jocelyn Finlay Photo
> https://jocelynfinlay.com/
>
>
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Lincoln Arts and Farmers Market -- Opens for the season this Saturday

[Michelle Barnes via Lincoln]

What a wonderful and incredible community effort! Thank you all for making it 
happen.

With much gratitude and appreciation,
Michelle Barnes
South Great Road

> On Jun 1, 2022, at 2:31 PM, Jocelyn Finlay  wrote:
> 
> 
> Correction: note that yoga will be happening in July only.
> 
> Live music, brunch and stalls are all on this Saturday!
> 
> See you Saturday.
> 
> Jocelyn
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 2:08 PM Jocelyn Finlay  wrote:
>> The Lincoln Arts and Farmers Market will open for the season this Saturday, 
>> 9am-1pm, 145 Lincoln Rd, Lincoln MA (on the green outside the post 
>> office/Tack Room). The market will retain its charm along with a little more 
>> buzz this year with The Tack Room brunch options. 
>> 
>> The line up of stalls and activities this week include,
>> 
>> Yoga in the Park, Free thanks to the Lincoln Garden Club, 9-10am. Contact: 
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>> Ribush (617) 877-1610. 
>> 
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>> 
>> Stalls will have fresh baked muffins, fresh eggs, cut flowers, hand crafts, 
>> gift cards, and I will be there for headshot photos in the park 
>> https://jocelynfinlay.com/packages/
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Corrected - Trail Use Proposal - not too late to postpone and impact on walkers and nature

[Margaret Olson]

Bikes are permitted on all trails in Weston and Concord. There are no
special rules, at least not that are readily apparent by reading the trail
guides and town websites.

The International Mountain Bikers Association has a trail etiquette guide (
https://www.imba.com/ride/ride-vibes) that most riders know and follow. A
lot of it is common sense.

On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 2:21 PM llas902...@aol.com 
wrote:

> Mayb the trails committee  can find out from surrounding  towns  how they
> handle bikes/walkers.
> Lynne  LaSpina
>
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>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:34 PM, Margaret Olson
>  wrote:
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Corrected - Trail Use Proposal - not too late to postpone and impact on walkers and nature

[Doug Carson via Lincoln]

 I think Margaret makes some great points here...
Not only was Lincoln Guide Service attracting cyclists to Lincoln, but mountain 
biking was a relatively new sport in the 90s.  Boston folks were coming to the 
Lincoln trails to *try* mountain biking.  Those days are long gone...not 
because bikes are banned from most of our trails (as Margaret points out, 
Weston & Concord permit bikes on trails, yet they're not overrun with 
riders)...but because the sport has grown up.  And as lovely as our trails are, 
they are not much of a mountain biking destination anymore.  There are far too 
many better destinations that attract Boston mountain bikers.As our town thinks 
about this issue, let's keep in mind that with increasing traffic and gas 
prices, and of course the environmental issues, the more cars off the road, the 
better.  Now imagine you can avoid one more drive to the post office, school, 
the library, Donelans, etc. because you could now use a mix of roads AND trails 
to get around town...I believe that would be a more desirable place to 
live.There are growing pains with any change (and rude people wherever you go). 
 I recall visiting Amsterdam a few years ago with all the people biking 
everywhere there; I almost got run over on several occasions!  But as a 
pedestrian there, I quickly figured out how to navigate.  Point being that even 
good change takes some time to get used to it!
Doug Carson 
On Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 01:34:17 PM EDT, Margaret Olson 
 wrote:  
 
 I'd like to remind everyone that bikes are permitted on the Weston and Concord 
town trails with no adverse effects that this regular walker (24 years) can 
detect. Nor have I heard that there are problems on those trails. I am often on 
the Weston trails as I live near them.

Twenty five years ago the Lincoln Guide Service did create a problem on the 
trails - but it is long gone.

On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:07 PM Barbara Peskin  wrote:

Correction - 8 miles to 19...
Hi Lincoln Talk, I haven't had a chance to read all the comments but I know 
people have mentioned that the Conservation Commission is meeting tonight and 
vote on whether to enact proposed changes to trail use that include going from 
8 to 19 miles of trails for recreational bike use and giving permits to large 
bike groups to use the trails and parking areas.
As a 25+ year walker on Lincoln Trails and cherisher of nature on those walks, 
my main concern with proposed changes is that it will invite metro west bike 
groups to our trails and parking areas. I sent in a detailed letter and 
attended both forums. I can't attend tonight but my hope is they will postpone 
enacting changes and hear from more walkers and nature cherishers.
If you would like to get a copy of my letter which is in the public record I'm 
happy to share it - it will give you more info. 
I've seen other wonderful arguments and letters asking to keep bike groups off 
the trails for a variety of reasons as well. 
I'll close here with the thought that at the last forum one LIncoln biker said 
he appreciates nature when biking on the trails alone - unfortunately the 
proposed sweeping changes to the trail use all over town is going to bring in 
bike groups - it's not about one or two Lincoln bike riders.
Thanks for listening. Please contact me if you would like more thoughts on 
this. 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Corrected - Trail Use Proposal - not too late to postpone and impact on walkers and nature

[Barbara Peskin]

I’ll just speak to one of the points here for now.. we are not helping the
environment by inviting metro west groups to drive cars to Lincoln and park
in our trail parking spaces to recreationally ride bikes.

This point was made at the May forum and I concur.

In terms of recreational bikers on 19 instead of 8 miles of trails.. bikers
require walkers off paths into the woods.

History of Lincoln had been to protect nature.. the proposed changes are
not protecting nature.

Bikes are good alternatives to cars yes, and we have good bikeways and
roads for bikes use as transportation in addition to some existing
connector trails.

Proposing 19 miles of recreational bike trails is not about helping the
environment.

On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 4:00 PM Doug Carson  wrote:

> I think Margaret makes some great points here...
>
> Not only was Lincoln Guide Service attracting cyclists to Lincoln, but
> mountain biking was a relatively new sport in the 90s.  Boston folks were
> coming to the Lincoln trails to *try* mountain biking.  Those days are long
> gone...not because bikes are banned from most of our trails (as Margaret
> points out, Weston & Concord permit bikes on trails, yet they're not
> overrun with riders)...but because the sport has grown up.  And as lovely
> as our trails are, they are not much of a mountain biking destination
> anymore.  There are far too many better destinations that attract Boston
> mountain bikers.
> As our town thinks about this issue, let's keep in mind that with
> increasing traffic and gas prices, and of course the environmental issues,
> the more cars off the road, the better.  Now imagine you can avoid one more
> drive to the post office, school, the library, Donelans, etc. because you
> could now use a mix of roads AND trails to get around town...I believe that
> would be a more desirable place to live.
> There are growing pains with any change (and rude people wherever you
> go).  I recall visiting Amsterdam a few years ago with all the people
> biking everywhere there; I almost got run over on several occasions!  But
> as a pedestrian there, I quickly figured out how to navigate.  Point being
> that even good change takes some time to get used to it!
>
> Doug Carson
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 01:34:17 PM EDT, Margaret Olson <
> marga...@margaretolson.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'd like to remind everyone that bikes are permitted on the Weston and
> Concord town trails with no adverse effects that this regular walker (24
> years) can detect. Nor have I heard that there are problems on those
> trails. I am often on the Weston trails as I live near them.
>
> Twenty five years ago the Lincoln Guide Service did create a problem on
> the trails - but it is long gone.
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:07 PM Barbara Peskin  wrote:
>
> *Correction - 8 miles to 19...*
>
> Hi Lincoln Talk,
> I haven't had a chance to read all the comments but I know people have
> mentioned that the Conservation Commission is meeting tonight and vote on
> whether to enact proposed changes to trail use that include going from 8 to
> 19 miles of trails for recreational bike use and giving permits to large
> bike groups to use the trails and parking areas.
>
> As a 25+ year walker on Lincoln Trails and cherisher of nature on those
> walks, my main concern with proposed changes is that it will invite metro
> west bike groups to our trails and parking areas. I sent in a detailed
> letter and attended both forums. I can't attend tonight but my hope is they
> will postpone enacting changes and hear from more walkers and nature
> cherishers.
>
> If you would like to get a copy of my letter which is in the public record
> I'm happy to share it - it will give you more info.
>
> I've seen other wonderful arguments and letters asking to keep bike groups
> off the trails for a variety of reasons as well.
>
> I'll close here with the thought that at the last forum one LIncoln biker
> said he appreciates nature when biking on the trails alone - unfortunately
> the proposed sweeping changes to the trail use all over town is going to
> bring in bike groups - it's not about one or two Lincoln bike riders.
>
> Thanks for listening. Please contact me if you would like more thoughts on
> this.
>
> Thanks,
> Barbara
>
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>
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[LincolnTalk] Fwd: Elizabeth & Ben Anderson : Scottish Fiddle and Cello Duo

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Lincoln Public Library Presents

Elizabeth & Ben Anderson

Scottish Fiddle & Cello Music in concert

Wednesday, June 15th 7:00 pm

Pierce House Tent

17 Weston Road Lincoln

Elizabeth and Ben Anderson, a Boston-based Scottish fiddle and cello duo,
has an enthusiastic following in the U.S. and internationally. Blending
Scottish tunes with lively rhythms and innovative harmonies, the pair
create a sound rooted in tradition, inspired by the contemporary, and
completely original. On stage, they captivate audiences with their ability
to effortlessly communicate musical nuances as only siblings can.

Elizabeth is the 2020 US National Scottish Fiddle Champion and the 2016
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she teaches string instruments as a middle school and private instructor.
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Corrected - Trail Use Proposal - not too late to postpone and impact on walkers and nature

[Margaret Olson]

Thanks Doug - that's a great reminder that what we're talking about when it
comes to bikes on trails in Lincoln in 2022 is mostly kids with some adults
on errands and short casual trips. The serious mountain bikers aren't
interested. I'm guessing, but this is probably why our neighboring towns
have no problems; their trails aren't any more compelling to an adult than
ours are.


On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 4:00 PM Doug Carson  wrote:

> I think Margaret makes some great points here...
>
> Not only was Lincoln Guide Service attracting cyclists to Lincoln, but
> mountain biking was a relatively new sport in the 90s.  Boston folks were
> coming to the Lincoln trails to *try* mountain biking.  Those days are long
> gone...not because bikes are banned from most of our trails (as Margaret
> points out, Weston & Concord permit bikes on trails, yet they're not
> overrun with riders)...but because the sport has grown up.  And as lovely
> as our trails are, they are not much of a mountain biking destination
> anymore.  There are far too many better destinations that attract Boston
> mountain bikers.
> As our town thinks about this issue, let's keep in mind that with
> increasing traffic and gas prices, and of course the environmental issues,
> the more cars off the road, the better.  Now imagine you can avoid one more
> drive to the post office, school, the library, Donelans, etc. because you
> could now use a mix of roads AND trails to get around town...I believe that
> would be a more desirable place to live.
> There are growing pains with any change (and rude people wherever you
> go).  I recall visiting Amsterdam a few years ago with all the people
> biking everywhere there; I almost got run over on several occasions!  But
> as a pedestrian there, I quickly figured out how to navigate.  Point being
> that even good change takes some time to get used to it!
>
> Doug Carson
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 01:34:17 PM EDT, Margaret Olson <
> marga...@margaretolson.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'd like to remind everyone that bikes are permitted on the Weston and
> Concord town trails with no adverse effects that this regular walker (24
> years) can detect. Nor have I heard that there are problems on those
> trails. I am often on the Weston trails as I live near them.
>
> Twenty five years ago the Lincoln Guide Service did create a problem on
> the trails - but it is long gone.
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:07 PM Barbara Peskin  wrote:
>
> *Correction - 8 miles to 19...*
>
> Hi Lincoln Talk,
> I haven't had a chance to read all the comments but I know people have
> mentioned that the Conservation Commission is meeting tonight and vote on
> whether to enact proposed changes to trail use that include going from 8 to
> 19 miles of trails for recreational bike use and giving permits to large
> bike groups to use the trails and parking areas.
>
> As a 25+ year walker on Lincoln Trails and cherisher of nature on those
> walks, my main concern with proposed changes is that it will invite metro
> west bike groups to our trails and parking areas. I sent in a detailed
> letter and attended both forums. I can't attend tonight but my hope is they
> will postpone enacting changes and hear from more walkers and nature
> cherishers.
>
> If you would like to get a copy of my letter which is in the public record
> I'm happy to share it - it will give you more info.
>
> I've seen other wonderful arguments and letters asking to keep bike groups
> off the trails for a variety of reasons as well.
>
> I'll close here with the thought that at the last forum one LIncoln biker
> said he appreciates nature when biking on the trails alone - unfortunately
> the proposed sweeping changes to the trail use all over town is going to
> bring in bike groups - it's not about one or two Lincoln bike riders.
>
> Thanks for listening. Please contact me if you would like more thoughts on
> this.
>
> Thanks,
> Barbara
>
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>
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[LincolnTalk] BollyX the Bollywood dance workout with Lana update!!! LOCATION CHANGED for tomorrow 7:30 am

[Svetlana Israel via Lincoln]

UPDATE! Thursday 7:30 am BollyX location is changed for tomorrow. One of our 
beautiful Bollywood dancers Jennifer has generously offered to host. 
11 Stonehedge Rd, Lincoln. 
I hope you can join us !!!🤩
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Corrected - Trail Use Proposal - not too late to postpone and impact on walkers and nature

[Jennifer Goodman]

No one’s arguing whether bikes should exist in our town. But Amsterdam is a 
city. Mt Misery is the woods. Let’s keep bikes on sidewalks and roads, as they 
are in Boston. It does feel dangerous to me to have them on the trails. When 
I’m walking with bikes around, I hear the ‘on your left’ about a nanosecond 
before they are on top of me, and it's impossible to react in time. In what way 
is this an improvement? And will all the dogs at Mt Misery react fast enough, 
or in the right direction to get out of the way? Sounds like a mess waiting to 
happen. Especially if it’s “mostly kids." And I thought the ticks were the 
biggest challenge about a walk at Mt Misery. Well, maybe it’s aptly named after 
all?

> On Jun 1, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Margaret Olson  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Doug - that's a great reminder that what we're talking about when it 
> comes to bikes on trails in Lincoln in 2022 is mostly kids with some adults 
> on errands and short casual trips. The serious mountain bikers aren't 
> interested. I'm guessing, but this is probably why our neighboring towns have 
> no problems; their trails aren't any more compelling to an adult than ours 
> are.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 4:00 PM Doug Carson  > wrote:
> I think Margaret makes some great points here...
> 
> Not only was Lincoln Guide Service attracting cyclists to Lincoln, but 
> mountain biking was a relatively new sport in the 90s.  Boston folks were 
> coming to the Lincoln trails to *try* mountain biking.  Those days are long 
> gone...not because bikes are banned from most of our trails (as Margaret 
> points out, Weston & Concord permit bikes on trails, yet they're not overrun 
> with riders)...but because the sport has grown up.  And as lovely as our 
> trails are, they are not much of a mountain biking destination anymore.  
> There are far too many better destinations that attract Boston mountain 
> bikers.
> As our town thinks about this issue, let's keep in mind that with increasing 
> traffic and gas prices, and of course the environmental issues, the more cars 
> off the road, the better.  Now imagine you can avoid one more drive to the 
> post office, school, the library, Donelans, etc. because you could now use a 
> mix of roads AND trails to get around town...I believe that would be a more 
> desirable place to live.
> There are growing pains with any change (and rude people wherever you go).  I 
> recall visiting Amsterdam a few years ago with all the people biking 
> everywhere there; I almost got run over on several occasions!  But as a 
> pedestrian there, I quickly figured out how to navigate.  Point being that 
> even good change takes some time to get used to it!
> 
> Doug Carson
>  
> 
> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 01:34:17 PM EDT, Margaret Olson 
> mailto:marga...@margaretolson.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> I'd like to remind everyone that bikes are permitted on the Weston and 
> Concord town trails with no adverse effects that this regular walker (24 
> years) can detect. Nor have I heard that there are problems on those trails. 
> I am often on the Weston trails as I live near them.
> 
> Twenty five years ago the Lincoln Guide Service did create a problem on the 
> trails - but it is long gone.
> 
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:07 PM Barbara Peskin  > wrote:
> Correction - 8 miles to 19...
> 
> Hi Lincoln Talk, 
> I haven't had a chance to read all the comments but I know people have 
> mentioned that the Conservation Commission is meeting tonight and vote on 
> whether to enact proposed changes to trail use that include going from 8 to 
> 19 miles of trails for recreational bike use and giving permits to large bike 
> groups to use the trails and parking areas.
> 
> As a 25+ year walker on Lincoln Trails and cherisher of nature on those 
> walks, my main concern with proposed changes is that it will invite metro 
> west bike groups to our trails and parking areas. I sent in a detailed letter 
> and attended both forums. I can't attend tonight but my hope is they will 
> postpone enacting changes and hear from more walkers and nature cherishers.
> 
> If you would like to get a copy of my letter which is in the public record 
> I'm happy to share it - it will give you more info. 
> 
> I've seen other wonderful arguments and letters asking to keep bike groups 
> off the trails for a variety of reasons as well. 
> 
> I'll close here with the thought that at the last forum one LIncoln biker 
> said he appreciates nature when biking on the trails alone - unfortunately 
> the proposed sweeping changes to the trail use all over town is going to 
> bring in bike groups - it's not about one or two Lincoln bike riders.
> 
> Thanks for listening. Please contact me if you would like more thoughts on 
> this. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Barbara
> 
> -- 
> ~
> Barbara Peskin
> 
> My Moments in Nature Photo Gallery: barbarapeskin.com 
> 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Corrected - Trail Use Proposal - not too late to postpone and impact on walkers and nature

[Margaret Olson]

To put paths along all our major roads with no paths currently would
require a serious commitment by the town. It could be done, but we would
need to either spend very large amounts of money or make the roads with
problems (limited right of way, ledge, wetlands) one way in order to devote
a lane to a path. We would also need to remove most of the slip lanes. The
majority of major roads with no path currently have a problem. Short of
that level of commitment the trails are part of the network to get around
town on foot or on bike.

For a data point, a roadside path on Weston road had a rough estimate of
7-8 million assuming we could acquire the easements.



On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 4:56 PM Jennifer Goodman 
wrote:

> No one’s arguing whether bikes should exist in our town. But Amsterdam is
> a city. Mt Misery is the woods. Let’s keep bikes on sidewalks and roads, as
> they are in Boston. It does feel dangerous to me to have them on the
> trails. When I’m walking with bikes around, I hear the ‘on your left’ about
> a nanosecond before they are on top of me, and it's impossible to react in
> time. In what way is this an improvement? And will all the dogs at Mt
> Misery react fast enough, or in the right direction to get out of the way?
> Sounds like a mess waiting to happen. Especially if it’s “mostly kids." And
> I thought the ticks were the biggest challenge about a walk at Mt Misery.
> Well, maybe it’s aptly named after all?
>
> On Jun 1, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Margaret Olson 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Doug - that's a great reminder that what we're talking about when
> it comes to bikes on trails in Lincoln in 2022 is mostly kids with some
> adults on errands and short casual trips. The serious mountain bikers
> aren't interested. I'm guessing, but this is probably why our neighboring
> towns have no problems; their trails aren't any more compelling to an adult
> than ours are.
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 4:00 PM Doug Carson  wrote:
>
>> I think Margaret makes some great points here...
>>
>> Not only was Lincoln Guide Service attracting cyclists to Lincoln, but
>> mountain biking was a relatively new sport in the 90s.  Boston folks were
>> coming to the Lincoln trails to *try* mountain biking.  Those days are long
>> gone...not because bikes are banned from most of our trails (as Margaret
>> points out, Weston & Concord permit bikes on trails, yet they're not
>> overrun with riders)...but because the sport has grown up.  And as lovely
>> as our trails are, they are not much of a mountain biking destination
>> anymore.  There are far too many better destinations that attract Boston
>> mountain bikers.
>> As our town thinks about this issue, let's keep in mind that with
>> increasing traffic and gas prices, and of course the environmental issues,
>> the more cars off the road, the better.  Now imagine you can avoid one more
>> drive to the post office, school, the library, Donelans, etc. because you
>> could now use a mix of roads AND trails to get around town...I believe that
>> would be a more desirable place to live.
>> There are growing pains with any change (and rude people wherever you
>> go).  I recall visiting Amsterdam a few years ago with all the people
>> biking everywhere there; I almost got run over on several occasions!  But
>> as a pedestrian there, I quickly figured out how to navigate.  Point being
>> that even good change takes some time to get used to it!
>>
>> Doug Carson
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 01:34:17 PM EDT, Margaret Olson <
>> marga...@margaretolson.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'd like to remind everyone that bikes are permitted on the Weston and
>> Concord town trails with no adverse effects that this regular walker (24
>> years) can detect. Nor have I heard that there are problems on those
>> trails. I am often on the Weston trails as I live near them.
>>
>> Twenty five years ago the Lincoln Guide Service did create a problem on
>> the trails - but it is long gone.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:07 PM Barbara Peskin 
>> wrote:
>>
>> *Correction - 8 miles to 19...*
>>
>> Hi Lincoln Talk,
>> I haven't had a chance to read all the comments but I know people have
>> mentioned that the Conservation Commission is meeting tonight and vote on
>> whether to enact proposed changes to trail use that include going from 8 to
>> 19 miles of trails for recreational bike use and giving permits to large
>> bike groups to use the trails and parking areas.
>>
>> As a 25+ year walker on Lincoln Trails and cherisher of nature on those
>> walks, my main concern with proposed changes is that it will invite metro
>> west bike groups to our trails and parking areas. I sent in a detailed
>> letter and attended both forums. I can't attend tonight but my hope is they
>> will postpone enacting changes and hear from more walkers and nature
>> cherishers.
>>
>> If you would like to get a copy of my letter which is in the public
>> record I'm happy to share it - it will give you more info.
>>
>> I've seen other wonder

Re: [LincolnTalk] Corrected - Trail Use Proposal - not too late to postpone and impact on walkers and nature

[Leslie Turek]

Someone at the open meeting made a good point. The local bike riders want
to have expanded bike trails in order to have a network that would assist
them to commute around town without having to ride on the dangerous narrow
roads. A perfectly reasonable request. But the trails that were designated
in the proposed plan were small dense networks, such as at Mt. Misery, that
really didn't help much to help with that goal. I would like to see a plan
that was specifically focussed on allowing people to travel around town, so
that there would be only one bike-allowed trail through a specific area,
with the rest of the trails reserved for walkers only.

Leslie Turek

On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 5:18 PM Margaret Olson 
wrote:

> To put paths along all our major roads with no paths currently would
> require a serious commitment by the town. It could be done, but we would
> need to either spend very large amounts of money or make the roads with
> problems (limited right of way, ledge, wetlands) one way in order to devote
> a lane to a path. We would also need to remove most of the slip lanes. The
> majority of major roads with no path currently have a problem. Short of
> that level of commitment the trails are part of the network to get around
> town on foot or on bike.
>
> For a data point, a roadside path on Weston road had a rough estimate of
> 7-8 million assuming we could acquire the easements.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 4:56 PM Jennifer Goodman 
> wrote:
>
>> No one’s arguing whether bikes should exist in our town. But Amsterdam is
>> a city. Mt Misery is the woods. Let’s keep bikes on sidewalks and roads, as
>> they are in Boston. It does feel dangerous to me to have them on the
>> trails. When I’m walking with bikes around, I hear the ‘on your left’ about
>> a nanosecond before they are on top of me, and it's impossible to react in
>> time. In what way is this an improvement? And will all the dogs at Mt
>> Misery react fast enough, or in the right direction to get out of the way?
>> Sounds like a mess waiting to happen. Especially if it’s “mostly kids." And
>> I thought the ticks were the biggest challenge about a walk at Mt Misery.
>> Well, maybe it’s aptly named after all?
>>
>> On Jun 1, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Margaret Olson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Doug - that's a great reminder that what we're talking about when
>> it comes to bikes on trails in Lincoln in 2022 is mostly kids with some
>> adults on errands and short casual trips. The serious mountain bikers
>> aren't interested. I'm guessing, but this is probably why our neighboring
>> towns have no problems; their trails aren't any more compelling to an adult
>> than ours are.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 4:00 PM Doug Carson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think Margaret makes some great points here...
>>>
>>> Not only was Lincoln Guide Service attracting cyclists to Lincoln, but
>>> mountain biking was a relatively new sport in the 90s.  Boston folks were
>>> coming to the Lincoln trails to *try* mountain biking.  Those days are long
>>> gone...not because bikes are banned from most of our trails (as Margaret
>>> points out, Weston & Concord permit bikes on trails, yet they're not
>>> overrun with riders)...but because the sport has grown up.  And as lovely
>>> as our trails are, they are not much of a mountain biking destination
>>> anymore.  There are far too many better destinations that attract Boston
>>> mountain bikers.
>>> As our town thinks about this issue, let's keep in mind that with
>>> increasing traffic and gas prices, and of course the environmental issues,
>>> the more cars off the road, the better.  Now imagine you can avoid one more
>>> drive to the post office, school, the library, Donelans, etc. because you
>>> could now use a mix of roads AND trails to get around town...I believe that
>>> would be a more desirable place to live.
>>> There are growing pains with any change (and rude people wherever you
>>> go).  I recall visiting Amsterdam a few years ago with all the people
>>> biking everywhere there; I almost got run over on several occasions!  But
>>> as a pedestrian there, I quickly figured out how to navigate.  Point being
>>> that even good change takes some time to get used to it!
>>>
>>> Doug Carson
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 01:34:17 PM EDT, Margaret Olson <
>>> marga...@margaretolson.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd like to remind everyone that bikes are permitted on the Weston and
>>> Concord town trails with no adverse effects that this regular walker (24
>>> years) can detect. Nor have I heard that there are problems on those
>>> trails. I am often on the Weston trails as I live near them.
>>>
>>> Twenty five years ago the Lincoln Guide Service did create a problem on
>>> the trails - but it is long gone.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:07 PM Barbara Peskin 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> *Correction - 8 miles to 19...*
>>>
>>> Hi Lincoln Talk,
>>> I haven't had a chance to read all the comments but I know people have
>>> mentioned that 

Re: [LincolnTalk] Corrected - Trail Use Proposal - not too late to postpone and impact on walkers and nature

[Sabra Alden]

Coming from a very active family, I don’t really think that just 19 miles of 
trails will attract more experienced (and perhaps more aggressive) riders, in 
any great number. However, I absolutely see the benefit for those of us who 
like to ride to and fro around town as a choice to avoiding the roads. 

My two cents
Sabra


Sent from my iPhone 

> On Jun 1, 2022, at 4:25 PM, Barbara Peskin  wrote:
> 
> 
> I’ll just speak to one of the points here for now.. we are not helping the 
> environment by inviting metro west groups to drive cars to Lincoln and park 
> in our trail parking spaces to recreationally ride bikes. 
> 
> This point was made at the May forum and I concur.
> 
> In terms of recreational bikers on 19 instead of 8 miles of trails.. bikers 
> require walkers off paths into the woods. 
> 
> History of Lincoln had been to protect nature.. the proposed changes are not 
> protecting nature. 
> 
> Bikes are good alternatives to cars yes, and we have good bikeways and roads 
> for bikes use as transportation in addition to some existing connector trails.
> 
> Proposing 19 miles of recreational bike trails is not about helping the 
> environment. 
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 4:00 PM Doug Carson  wrote:
>> I think Margaret makes some great points here...
>> 
>> Not only was Lincoln Guide Service attracting cyclists to Lincoln, but 
>> mountain biking was a relatively new sport in the 90s.  Boston folks were 
>> coming to the Lincoln trails to *try* mountain biking.  Those days are long 
>> gone...not because bikes are banned from most of our trails (as Margaret 
>> points out, Weston & Concord permit bikes on trails, yet they're not overrun 
>> with riders)...but because the sport has grown up.  And as lovely as our 
>> trails are, they are not much of a mountain biking destination anymore.  
>> There are far too many better destinations that attract Boston mountain 
>> bikers.
>> As our town thinks about this issue, let's keep in mind that with increasing 
>> traffic and gas prices, and of course the environmental issues, the more 
>> cars off the road, the better.  Now imagine you can avoid one more drive to 
>> the post office, school, the library, Donelans, etc. because you could now 
>> use a mix of roads AND trails to get around town...I believe that would be a 
>> more desirable place to live.
>> There are growing pains with any change (and rude people wherever you go).  
>> I recall visiting Amsterdam a few years ago with all the people biking 
>> everywhere there; I almost got run over on several occasions!  But as a 
>> pedestrian there, I quickly figured out how to navigate.  Point being that 
>> even good change takes some time to get used to it!
>> 
>> Doug Carson
>>  
>> 
>> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 01:34:17 PM EDT, Margaret Olson 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I'd like to remind everyone that bikes are permitted on the Weston and 
>> Concord town trails with no adverse effects that this regular walker (24 
>> years) can detect. Nor have I heard that there are problems on those trails. 
>> I am often on the Weston trails as I live near them.
>> 
>> Twenty five years ago the Lincoln Guide Service did create a problem on the 
>> trails - but it is long gone.
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:07 PM Barbara Peskin  wrote:
>> Correction - 8 miles to 19...
>> 
>> Hi Lincoln Talk, 
>> I haven't had a chance to read all the comments but I know people have 
>> mentioned that the Conservation Commission is meeting tonight and vote on 
>> whether to enact proposed changes to trail use that include going from 8 to 
>> 19 miles of trails for recreational bike use and giving permits to large 
>> bike groups to use the trails and parking areas.
>> 
>> As a 25+ year walker on Lincoln Trails and cherisher of nature on those 
>> walks, my main concern with proposed changes is that it will invite metro 
>> west bike groups to our trails and parking areas. I sent in a detailed 
>> letter and attended both forums. I can't attend tonight but my hope is they 
>> will postpone enacting changes and hear from more walkers and nature 
>> cherishers.
>> 
>> If you would like to get a copy of my letter which is in the public record 
>> I'm happy to share it - it will give you more info. 
>> 
>> I've seen other wonderful arguments and letters asking to keep bike groups 
>> off the trails for a variety of reasons as well. 
>> 
>> I'll close here with the thought that at the last forum one LIncoln biker 
>> said he appreciates nature when biking on the trails alone - unfortunately 
>> the proposed sweeping changes to the trail use all over town is going to 
>> bring in bike groups - it's not about one or two Lincoln bike riders.
>> 
>> Thanks for listening. Please contact me if you would like more thoughts on 
>> this. 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Barbara
>> 
>> -- 
>> ~
>> Barbara Peskin
>> 
>> My Moments in Nature Photo Gallery: barbarapeskin.com
>> -- 
>> The LincolnTalk mailing list.
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Corrected - Trail Use Proposal - not too late to postpone and impact on walkers and nature

[Margaret Olson]

Yes, that's an excellent compromise

On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 5:24 PM Leslie Turek  wrote:

> Someone at the open meeting made a good point. The local bike riders want
> to have expanded bike trails in order to have a network that would assist
> them to commute around town without having to ride on the dangerous narrow
> roads. A perfectly reasonable request. But the trails that were designated
> in the proposed plan were small dense networks, such as at Mt. Misery, that
> really didn't help much to help with that goal. I would like to see a plan
> that was specifically focussed on allowing people to travel around town, so
> that there would be only one bike-allowed trail through a specific area,
> with the rest of the trails reserved for walkers only.
>
> Leslie Turek
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 5:18 PM Margaret Olson 
> wrote:
>
>> To put paths along all our major roads with no paths currently would
>> require a serious commitment by the town. It could be done, but we would
>> need to either spend very large amounts of money or make the roads with
>> problems (limited right of way, ledge, wetlands) one way in order to devote
>> a lane to a path. We would also need to remove most of the slip lanes. The
>> majority of major roads with no path currently have a problem. Short of
>> that level of commitment the trails are part of the network to get around
>> town on foot or on bike.
>>
>> For a data point, a roadside path on Weston road had a rough estimate of
>> 7-8 million assuming we could acquire the easements.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 4:56 PM Jennifer Goodman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> No one’s arguing whether bikes should exist in our town. But Amsterdam
>>> is a city. Mt Misery is the woods. Let’s keep bikes on sidewalks and roads,
>>> as they are in Boston. It does feel dangerous to me to have them on the
>>> trails. When I’m walking with bikes around, I hear the ‘on your left’ about
>>> a nanosecond before they are on top of me, and it's impossible to react in
>>> time. In what way is this an improvement? And will all the dogs at Mt
>>> Misery react fast enough, or in the right direction to get out of the way?
>>> Sounds like a mess waiting to happen. Especially if it’s “mostly kids." And
>>> I thought the ticks were the biggest challenge about a walk at Mt Misery.
>>> Well, maybe it’s aptly named after all?
>>>
>>> On Jun 1, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Margaret Olson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Doug - that's a great reminder that what we're talking about when
>>> it comes to bikes on trails in Lincoln in 2022 is mostly kids with some
>>> adults on errands and short casual trips. The serious mountain bikers
>>> aren't interested. I'm guessing, but this is probably why our neighboring
>>> towns have no problems; their trails aren't any more compelling to an adult
>>> than ours are.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 4:00 PM Doug Carson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I think Margaret makes some great points here...

 Not only was Lincoln Guide Service attracting cyclists to Lincoln, but
 mountain biking was a relatively new sport in the 90s.  Boston folks were
 coming to the Lincoln trails to *try* mountain biking.  Those days are long
 gone...not because bikes are banned from most of our trails (as Margaret
 points out, Weston & Concord permit bikes on trails, yet they're not
 overrun with riders)...but because the sport has grown up.  And as lovely
 as our trails are, they are not much of a mountain biking destination
 anymore.  There are far too many better destinations that attract Boston
 mountain bikers.
 As our town thinks about this issue, let's keep in mind that with
 increasing traffic and gas prices, and of course the environmental issues,
 the more cars off the road, the better.  Now imagine you can avoid one more
 drive to the post office, school, the library, Donelans, etc. because you
 could now use a mix of roads AND trails to get around town...I believe that
 would be a more desirable place to live.
 There are growing pains with any change (and rude people wherever you
 go).  I recall visiting Amsterdam a few years ago with all the people
 biking everywhere there; I almost got run over on several occasions!  But
 as a pedestrian there, I quickly figured out how to navigate.  Point being
 that even good change takes some time to get used to it!

 Doug Carson


 On Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 01:34:17 PM EDT, Margaret Olson <
 marga...@margaretolson.com> wrote:


 I'd like to remind everyone that bikes are permitted on the Weston and
 Concord town trails with no adverse effects that this regular walker (24
 years) can detect. Nor have I heard that there are problems on those
 trails. I am often on the Weston trails as I live near them.

 Twenty five years ago the Lincoln Guide Service did create a problem on
 the trails - but it is long gone.

 On Wed, Jun 1, 2022

Re: [LincolnTalk] Corrected - Trail Use Proposal - not too late to postpone and impact on walkers and nature

[Sabra Alden]

Here is the link to the map of proposed changes. Personally I believe the 
restrictions around Flints pond and the Harrington property are too generous. I 
understand the need to keep our water clean, but as two of the largest, 
uninterrupted spaces in town, it will severely restrict options for well 
behaved off leash walkers. 

Here is the link to the map

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SuEIf3nHWHgkmaVzmSvQpzZ43_MhEFTV/view?usp=drivesdk

Sabra
Sent from my iPhone 

> On Jun 1, 2022, at 5:24 PM, Leslie Turek  wrote:
> 
> 
> Someone at the open meeting made a good point. The local bike riders want to 
> have expanded bike trails in order to have a network that would assist them 
> to commute around town without having to ride on the dangerous narrow roads. 
> A perfectly reasonable request. But the trails that were designated in the 
> proposed plan were small dense networks, such as at Mt. Misery, that really 
> didn't help much to help with that goal. I would like to see a plan that was 
> specifically focussed on allowing people to travel around town, so that there 
> would be only one bike-allowed trail through a specific area, with the rest 
> of the trails reserved for walkers only. 
> 
> Leslie Turek
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 5:18 PM Margaret Olson  
>> wrote:
>> To put paths along all our major roads with no paths currently would require 
>> a serious commitment by the town. It could be done, but we would need to 
>> either spend very large amounts of money or make the roads with problems 
>> (limited right of way, ledge, wetlands) one way in order to devote a lane to 
>> a path. We would also need to remove most of the slip lanes. The majority of 
>> major roads with no path currently have a problem. Short of that level of 
>> commitment the trails are part of the network to get around town on foot or 
>> on bike. 
>> 
>> For a data point, a roadside path on Weston road had a rough estimate of 7-8 
>> million assuming we could acquire the easements.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 4:56 PM Jennifer Goodman  
>>> wrote:
>>> No one’s arguing whether bikes should exist in our town. But Amsterdam is a 
>>> city. Mt Misery is the woods. Let’s keep bikes on sidewalks and roads, as 
>>> they are in Boston. It does feel dangerous to me to have them on the 
>>> trails. When I’m walking with bikes around, I hear the ‘on your left’ about 
>>> a nanosecond before they are on top of me, and it's impossible to react in 
>>> time. In what way is this an improvement? And will all the dogs at Mt 
>>> Misery react fast enough, or in the right direction to get out of the way? 
>>> Sounds like a mess waiting to happen. Especially if it’s “mostly kids." And 
>>> I thought the ticks were the biggest challenge about a walk at Mt Misery. 
>>> Well, maybe it’s aptly named after all?
>>> 
 On Jun 1, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Margaret Olson  
 wrote:
 
 Thanks Doug - that's a great reminder that what we're talking about when 
 it comes to bikes on trails in Lincoln in 2022 is mostly kids with some 
 adults on errands and short casual trips. The serious mountain bikers 
 aren't interested. I'm guessing, but this is probably why our neighboring 
 towns have no problems; their trails aren't any more compelling to an 
 adult than ours are.
 
 
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 4:00 PM Doug Carson  wrote:
> I think Margaret makes some great points here...
> 
> Not only was Lincoln Guide Service attracting cyclists to Lincoln, but 
> mountain biking was a relatively new sport in the 90s.  Boston folks were 
> coming to the Lincoln trails to *try* mountain biking.  Those days are 
> long gone...not because bikes are banned from most of our trails (as 
> Margaret points out, Weston & Concord permit bikes on trails, yet they're 
> not overrun with riders)...but because the sport has grown up.  And as 
> lovely as our trails are, they are not much of a mountain biking 
> destination anymore.  There are far too many better destinations that 
> attract Boston mountain bikers.
> As our town thinks about this issue, let's keep in mind that with 
> increasing traffic and gas prices, and of course the environmental 
> issues, the more cars off the road, the better.  Now imagine you can 
> avoid one more drive to the post office, school, the library, Donelans, 
> etc. because you could now use a mix of roads AND trails to get around 
> town...I believe that would be a more desirable place to live.
> There are growing pains with any change (and rude people wherever you 
> go).  I recall visiting Amsterdam a few years ago with all the people 
> biking everywhere there; I almost got run over on several occasions!  But 
> as a pedestrian there, I quickly figured out how to navigate.  Point 
> being that even good change takes some time to get used to it!
> 
> Doug Carson
>  
> 
> On Wednesday, Ju

Re: [LincolnTalk] Corrected - Trail Use Proposal - not too late to postpone and impact on walkers and nature

[Ted Chan]

I think it'd be great if we could make the Bergen-Culver trails open to
bikes after school as they head to Lincoln Station..

Both the route to the Iron Horse trail route going out to the MBTA parking
and the one that comes out to a trailhead across my house at the Pond
Sculpture.  It's a little bumpy back there but it keeps more kids off the
main road.  I'll defer to LLCT on the environmental impact of that.

On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 5:41 PM Sabra Alden  wrote:

> Here is the link to the map of proposed changes. Personally I believe the
> restrictions around Flints pond and the Harrington property are too
> generous. I understand the need to keep our water clean, but as two of the
> largest, uninterrupted spaces in town, it will severely restrict options
> for well behaved off leash walkers.
>
> Here is the link to the map
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SuEIf3nHWHgkmaVzmSvQpzZ43_MhEFTV/view?usp=drivesdk
>
> Sabra
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 1, 2022, at 5:24 PM, Leslie Turek  wrote:
>
> 
> Someone at the open meeting made a good point. The local bike riders want
> to have expanded bike trails in order to have a network that would assist
> them to commute around town without having to ride on the dangerous narrow
> roads. A perfectly reasonable request. But the trails that were designated
> in the proposed plan were small dense networks, such as at Mt. Misery, that
> really didn't help much to help with that goal. I would like to see a plan
> that was specifically focussed on allowing people to travel around town, so
> that there would be only one bike-allowed trail through a specific area,
> with the rest of the trails reserved for walkers only.
>
> Leslie Turek
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 5:18 PM Margaret Olson 
> wrote:
>
>> To put paths along all our major roads with no paths currently would
>> require a serious commitment by the town. It could be done, but we would
>> need to either spend very large amounts of money or make the roads with
>> problems (limited right of way, ledge, wetlands) one way in order to devote
>> a lane to a path. We would also need to remove most of the slip lanes. The
>> majority of major roads with no path currently have a problem. Short of
>> that level of commitment the trails are part of the network to get around
>> town on foot or on bike.
>>
>> For a data point, a roadside path on Weston road had a rough estimate of
>> 7-8 million assuming we could acquire the easements.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 4:56 PM Jennifer Goodman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> No one’s arguing whether bikes should exist in our town. But Amsterdam
>>> is a city. Mt Misery is the woods. Let’s keep bikes on sidewalks and roads,
>>> as they are in Boston. It does feel dangerous to me to have them on the
>>> trails. When I’m walking with bikes around, I hear the ‘on your left’ about
>>> a nanosecond before they are on top of me, and it's impossible to react in
>>> time. In what way is this an improvement? And will all the dogs at Mt
>>> Misery react fast enough, or in the right direction to get out of the way?
>>> Sounds like a mess waiting to happen. Especially if it’s “mostly kids." And
>>> I thought the ticks were the biggest challenge about a walk at Mt Misery.
>>> Well, maybe it’s aptly named after all?
>>>
>>> On Jun 1, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Margaret Olson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Doug - that's a great reminder that what we're talking about when
>>> it comes to bikes on trails in Lincoln in 2022 is mostly kids with some
>>> adults on errands and short casual trips. The serious mountain bikers
>>> aren't interested. I'm guessing, but this is probably why our neighboring
>>> towns have no problems; their trails aren't any more compelling to an adult
>>> than ours are.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 4:00 PM Doug Carson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I think Margaret makes some great points here...

 Not only was Lincoln Guide Service attracting cyclists to Lincoln, but
 mountain biking was a relatively new sport in the 90s.  Boston folks were
 coming to the Lincoln trails to *try* mountain biking.  Those days are long
 gone...not because bikes are banned from most of our trails (as Margaret
 points out, Weston & Concord permit bikes on trails, yet they're not
 overrun with riders)...but because the sport has grown up.  And as lovely
 as our trails are, they are not much of a mountain biking destination
 anymore.  There are far too many better destinations that attract Boston
 mountain bikers.
 As our town thinks about this issue, let's keep in mind that with
 increasing traffic and gas prices, and of course the environmental issues,
 the more cars off the road, the better.  Now imagine you can avoid one more
 drive to the post office, school, the library, Donelans, etc. because you
 could now use a mix of roads AND trails to get around town...I believe that
 would be a more desirable place to live.
 There are growing pains with any c

Re: [LincolnTalk] Trail Use Proposed Changes

[Mary Crowe]

I would like to put in a word for horseback riders  on the trails where we
are allowed Bikes often run up behind my horse silently and as walkers have
said there is no time to react. I have seen horses bolt from unannounced
bikes or sudden shouts from bikers  . We all need to share the trails but
opening up to groups of bikers will only make trails less safe  I have
found  that many of  bikers are uninformed about trail etiquette or just
too busy getting where they want to go to be courteous  . That’s a problem
for all of us  who love Lincoln trails

On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:01 PM Barbara Peskin  wrote:

> Hi Lincoln Talk,
> I haven't had a chance to read all the comments but I know people have
> mentioned that the Conservation Commission is meeting tonight to vote on
> whether to enact proposed changes to trail use that include going from 8 to
> 19 miles of trails for recreational bike use and giving permits to large
> bike groups to use the trails and parking areas.
>
> As a 25+ year walker on Lincoln Trails and cherisher of nature on those
> walks, my main concern with proposed changes is that it will invite metro
> west bike groups to our trails and parking areas. I sent in a detailed
> letter and attended both forums. I can't attend tonight but my hope is they
> will postpone enacting changes and hear from more walkers and nature
> cherishers.
>
> If you would like to get a copy of my letter which is in the public record
> I'm happy to share it - it will give you more info.
>
> I've seen other wonderful arguments and letters asking to keep bike groups
> off the trails for a variety of reasons as well.
>
> I'll close here with the thought that at the last forum one LIncoln biker
> said he appreciates nature when biking on the trails alone - unfortunately
> the proposed sweeping changes to the trail use all over town is going to
> bring in bike groups - it's not about one or two Lincoln bike riders.
>
> Thanks for listening. Please contact me if you would like more thoughts on
> this.
>
> Thanks,
> Barbara
>
> --
> ~
> Barbara Peskin
>
> *My Moments in Nature Photo Gallery: barbarapeskin.com
> *
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Corrected - Trail Use Proposal - not too late to postpone and impact on walkers and nature

[Stephanie Smoot]

Was there any discussion on improving some of the paths, ie upgrading  a
couple of miles to make them a useful cross town off  road system or just
keeping them the same dirt paths for  for surefooted local dog walkers and
occasional cyclist.  If so, you likely wont get the cyclists who want to go
from say home to the supermarket or library without making an unnecssary
car trip.
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On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 4:00 PM Doug Carson via Lincoln <
lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:

> I think Margaret makes some great points here...
>
> Not only was Lincoln Guide Service attracting cyclists to Lincoln, but
> mountain biking was a relatively new sport in the 90s.  Boston folks were
> coming to the Lincoln trails to *try* mountain biking.  Those days are long
> gone...not because bikes are banned from most of our trails (as Margaret
> points out, Weston & Concord permit bikes on trails, yet they're not
> overrun with riders)...but because the sport has grown up.  And as lovely
> as our trails are, they are not much of a mountain biking destination
> anymore.  There are far too many better destinations that attract Boston
> mountain bikers.
> As our town thinks about this issue, let's keep in mind that with
> increasing traffic and gas prices, and of course the environmental issues,
> the more cars off the road, the better.  Now imagine you can avoid one more
> drive to the post office, school, the library, Donelans, etc. because you
> could now use a mix of roads AND trails to get around town...I believe that
> would be a more desirable place to live.
> There are growing pains with any change (and rude people wherever you
> go).  I recall visiting Amsterdam a few years ago with all the people
> biking everywhere there; I almost got run over on several occasions!  But
> as a pedestrian there, I quickly figured out how to navigate.  Point being
> that even good change takes some time to get used to it!
>
> Doug Carson
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 01:34:17 PM EDT, Margaret Olson <
> marga...@margaretolson.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'd like to remind everyone that bikes are permitted on the Weston and
> Concord town trails with no adverse effects that this regular walker (24
> years) can detect. Nor have I heard that there are problems on those
> trails. I am often on the Weston trails as I live near them.
>
> Twenty five years ago the Lincoln Guide Service did create a problem on
> the trails - but it is long gone.
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:07 PM Barbara Peskin  wrote:
>
> *Correction - 8 miles to 19...*
>
> Hi Lincoln Talk,
> I haven't had a chance to read all the comments but I know people have
> mentioned that the Conservation Commission is meeting tonight and vote on
> whether to enact proposed changes to trail use that include going from 8 to
> 19 miles of trails for recreational bike use and giving permits to large
> bike groups to use the trails and parking areas.
>
> As a 25+ year walker on Lincoln Trails and cherisher of nature on those
> walks, my main concern with proposed changes is that it will invite metro
> west bike groups to our trails and parking areas. I sent in a detailed
> letter and attended both forums. I can't attend tonight but my hope is they
> will postpone enacting changes and hear from more walkers and nature
> cherishers.
>
> If you would like to get a copy of my letter which is in the public record
> I'm happy to share it - it will give you more info.
>
> I've seen other wonderful arguments and letters asking to keep bike groups
> off the trails for a variety of reasons as well.
>
> I'll close here with the thought that at the last forum one LIncoln biker
> said he appreciates nature when biking on the trails alone - unfortunately
> the proposed sweeping changes to the trail use all over town is going to
> bring in bike groups - it's not about one or two Lincoln bike riders.
>
> Thanks for listening. Please contact me if you would like more thoughts on
> this.
>
> Thanks,
> Barbara
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Trail Use Proposed Changes

[John Mendelson]

I cant stay silent any longer.  Our roads are unsafe and getting worse for
cycling and walking, particularly for children who are harder to see from
the SUV's that dominate our roadways.  Our trails are plentiful and
relatively underused.   To give 10% more access to give kids and other
cyclists seems like an incremental change, especially compared to what our
peer towns are doing.  The sense of entitlement and "othering" of cyclists
on this forum is absolutely galling.  Listen to yourselves.

On Wed, Jun 1, 2022, 6:06 PM Mary Crowe  wrote:

> I would like to put in a word for horseback riders  on the trails where we
> are allowed Bikes often run up behind my horse silently and as walkers have
> said there is no time to react. I have seen horses bolt from unannounced
> bikes or sudden shouts from bikers  . We all need to share the trails but
> opening up to groups of bikers will only make trails less safe  I have
> found  that many of  bikers are uninformed about trail etiquette or just
> too busy getting where they want to go to be courteous  . That’s a problem
> for all of us  who love Lincoln trails
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:01 PM Barbara Peskin  wrote:
>
>> Hi Lincoln Talk,
>> I haven't had a chance to read all the comments but I know people have
>> mentioned that the Conservation Commission is meeting tonight to vote on
>> whether to enact proposed changes to trail use that include going from 8 to
>> 19 miles of trails for recreational bike use and giving permits to large
>> bike groups to use the trails and parking areas.
>>
>> As a 25+ year walker on Lincoln Trails and cherisher of nature on those
>> walks, my main concern with proposed changes is that it will invite metro
>> west bike groups to our trails and parking areas. I sent in a detailed
>> letter and attended both forums. I can't attend tonight but my hope is they
>> will postpone enacting changes and hear from more walkers and nature
>> cherishers.
>>
>> If you would like to get a copy of my letter which is in the public
>> record I'm happy to share it - it will give you more info.
>>
>> I've seen other wonderful arguments and letters asking to keep bike
>> groups off the trails for a variety of reasons as well.
>>
>> I'll close here with the thought that at the last forum one LIncoln biker
>> said he appreciates nature when biking on the trails alone - unfortunately
>> the proposed sweeping changes to the trail use all over town is going to
>> bring in bike groups - it's not about one or two Lincoln bike riders.
>>
>> Thanks for listening. Please contact me if you would like more thoughts
>> on this.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Barbara
>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Trail Use Proposed Changes

[Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln]

One thing on my “wish list” is better signage as to where the trail(s) pick up 
again when they are broken up by a road. When a trail spits you onto a road, I 
often do not know where the trail picks up again on the other side - or in 
which direction to walk along the road to find the link up on the other side.
If you are a jogger or Nordic skier it is a bit frustrating to stop the flow of 
a workout to figure it out.


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On Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 6:12 PM, John Mendelson  
wrote:

I cant stay silent any longer.  Our roads are unsafe and getting worse for 
cycling and walking, particularly for children who are harder to see from the 
SUV's that dominate our roadways.  Our trails are plentiful and relatively 
underused.   To give 10% more access to give kids and other cyclists seems like 
an incremental change, especially compared to what our peer towns are doing.  
The sense of entitlement and "othering" of cyclists on this forum is absolutely 
galling.  Listen to yourselves.
On Wed, Jun 1, 2022, 6:06 PM Mary Crowe  wrote:

I would like to put in a word for horseback riders  on the trails where we are 
allowed Bikes often run up behind my horse silently and as walkers have said 
there is no time to react. I have seen horses bolt from unannounced bikes or 
sudden shouts from bikers  . We all need to share the trails but opening up to 
groups of bikers will only make trails less safe  I have found  that many of  
bikers are uninformed about trail etiquette or just too busy getting where they 
want to go to be courteous  . That’s a problem for all of us  who love Lincoln 
trails 
On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:01 PM Barbara Peskin  wrote:

Hi Lincoln Talk, I haven't had a chance to read all the comments but I know 
people have mentioned that the Conservation Commission is meeting tonight to 
vote on whether to enact proposed changes to trail use that include going from 
8 to 19 miles of trails for recreational bike use and giving permits to large 
bike groups to use the trails and parking areas.
As a 25+ year walker on Lincoln Trails and cherisher of nature on those walks, 
my main concern with proposed changes is that it will invite metro west bike 
groups to our trails and parking areas. I sent in a detailed letter and 
attended both forums. I can't attend tonight but my hope is they will postpone 
enacting changes and hear from more walkers and nature cherishers.
If you would like to get a copy of my letter which is in the public record I'm 
happy to share it - it will give you more info. 
I've seen other wonderful arguments and letters asking to keep bike groups off 
the trails for a variety of reasons as well. 
I'll close here with the thought that at the last forum one LIncoln biker said 
he appreciates nature when biking on the trails alone - unfortunately the 
proposed sweeping changes to the trail use all over town is going to bring in 
bike groups - it's not about one or two Lincoln bike riders.
Thanks for listening. Please contact me if you would like more thoughts on 
this. 
Thanks,Barbara
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[LincolnTalk] The Ideology of the Bicycle - The Atlantic

[Lynne Smith]

Too add to the debate some historical perspective. I hope this will open.

https://www.theatlantic.com/books/archive/2022/05/jody-rosen-two-wheels-good-bicycle-history/661144/


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Re: [LincolnTalk] Trail Use Proposed Changes

[V Saleme]

100% John.

I had road biked for decades-Primarily Lincoln and Concord but the roads
are just too unsafe- the neglect is appalling!

For the last decade and with the purchase of a mountain bike, I have
enjoyed better workouts, less bent rims and zero flat tires.

Let’s also hope that common sense ‘rules’ will prevail and dogs will be
leashed on these trails- speaking of appalling.

Vic

On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 6:12 PM John Mendelson 
wrote:

> I cant stay silent any longer.  Our roads are unsafe and getting worse for
> cycling and walking, particularly for children who are harder to see from
> the SUV's that dominate our roadways.  Our trails are plentiful and
> relatively underused.   To give 10% more access to give kids and other
> cyclists seems like an incremental change, especially compared to what our
> peer towns are doing.  The sense of entitlement and "othering" of cyclists
> on this forum is absolutely galling.  Listen to yourselves.
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022, 6:06 PM Mary Crowe  wrote:
>
>> I would like to put in a word for horseback riders  on the trails where
>> we are allowed Bikes often run up behind my horse silently and as walkers
>> have said there is no time to react. I have seen horses bolt from
>> unannounced bikes or sudden shouts from bikers  . We all need to share the
>> trails but opening up to groups of bikers will only make trails less safe
>>  I have found  that many of  bikers are uninformed about trail etiquette or
>> just too busy getting where they want to go to be courteous  . That’s a
>> problem for all of us  who love Lincoln trails
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:01 PM Barbara Peskin 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Lincoln Talk,
>>> I haven't had a chance to read all the comments but I know people have
>>> mentioned that the Conservation Commission is meeting tonight to vote on
>>> whether to enact proposed changes to trail use that include going from 8 to
>>> 19 miles of trails for recreational bike use and giving permits to large
>>> bike groups to use the trails and parking areas.
>>>
>>> As a 25+ year walker on Lincoln Trails and cherisher of nature on those
>>> walks, my main concern with proposed changes is that it will invite metro
>>> west bike groups to our trails and parking areas. I sent in a detailed
>>> letter and attended both forums. I can't attend tonight but my hope is they
>>> will postpone enacting changes and hear from more walkers and nature
>>> cherishers.
>>>
>>> If you would like to get a copy of my letter which is in the public
>>> record I'm happy to share it - it will give you more info.
>>>
>>> I've seen other wonderful arguments and letters asking to keep bike
>>> groups off the trails for a variety of reasons as well.
>>>
>>> I'll close here with the thought that at the last forum one LIncoln
>>> biker said he appreciates nature when biking on the trails alone -
>>> unfortunately the proposed sweeping changes to the trail use all over town
>>> is going to bring in bike groups - it's not about one or two Lincoln bike
>>> riders.
>>>
>>> Thanks for listening. Please contact me if you would like more thoughts
>>> on this.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Barbara
>>>
>>> --
>>> ~
>>> Barbara Peskin
>>>
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>>> *
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Trail Use Proposed Changes

[Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln]

To add to my “Fantasy Wish List” would be to have color-coded loops with names, 
like “Orange Loop 1 mile” , “Red Loop 3 miles”, “Blue Loop 5 miles”, “Yellow 
Loop 10 miles”. 
The loops would have corresponding color dots on the existing signs or some 
such system.
There would also be loop corresponding color markings to help you find where 
the various loops pick up on the other side of any roads that break up the 
trail. 
This would be delightful for joggers, serious runners, walkers, bikers, Nordic 
skiers and snow-shoe folks.



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On Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 6:17 PM, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
 wrote:

One thing on my “wish list” is better signage as to where the trail(s) pick up 
again when they are broken up by a road. When a trail spits you onto a road, I 
often do not know where the trail picks up again on the other side - or in 
which direction to walk along the road to find the link up on the other side.
If you are a jogger or Nordic skier it is a bit frustrating to stop the flow of 
a workout to figure it out.


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On Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 6:12 PM, John Mendelson  
wrote:

I cant stay silent any longer.  Our roads are unsafe and getting worse for 
cycling and walking, particularly for children who are harder to see from the 
SUV's that dominate our roadways.  Our trails are plentiful and relatively 
underused.   To give 10% more access to give kids and other cyclists seems like 
an incremental change, especially compared to what our peer towns are doing.  
The sense of entitlement and "othering" of cyclists on this forum is absolutely 
galling.  Listen to yourselves.
On Wed, Jun 1, 2022, 6:06 PM Mary Crowe  wrote:

I would like to put in a word for horseback riders  on the trails where we are 
allowed Bikes often run up behind my horse silently and as walkers have said 
there is no time to react. I have seen horses bolt from unannounced bikes or 
sudden shouts from bikers  . We all need to share the trails but opening up to 
groups of bikers will only make trails less safe  I have found  that many of  
bikers are uninformed about trail etiquette or just too busy getting where they 
want to go to be courteous  . That’s a problem for all of us  who love Lincoln 
trails 
On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:01 PM Barbara Peskin  wrote:

Hi Lincoln Talk, I haven't had a chance to read all the comments but I know 
people have mentioned that the Conservation Commission is meeting tonight to 
vote on whether to enact proposed changes to trail use that include going from 
8 to 19 miles of trails for recreational bike use and giving permits to large 
bike groups to use the trails and parking areas.
As a 25+ year walker on Lincoln Trails and cherisher of nature on those walks, 
my main concern with proposed changes is that it will invite metro west bike 
groups to our trails and parking areas. I sent in a detailed letter and 
attended both forums. I can't attend tonight but my hope is they will postpone 
enacting changes and hear from more walkers and nature cherishers.
If you would like to get a copy of my letter which is in the public record I'm 
happy to share it - it will give you more info. 
I've seen other wonderful arguments and letters asking to keep bike groups off 
the trails for a variety of reasons as well. 
I'll close here with the thought that at the last forum one LIncoln biker said 
he appreciates nature when biking on the trails alone - unfortunately the 
proposed sweeping changes to the trail use all over town is going to bring in 
bike groups - it's not about one or two Lincoln bike riders.
Thanks for listening. Please contact me if you would like more thoughts on 
this. 
Thanks,Barbara
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Trail Use Proposed Changes

[sally kindleberger]

I am concerned for several reasons about opening up many trails to bikes.
 1. Bikes can be harmful to plants along the trails. In addition they can
be a danger to riders and their horses, as well as walkers who want to
enjoy the quiet of Lincoln’s natural beauty.

On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 6:22 PM V Saleme  wrote:

> 100% John.
>
> I had road biked for decades-Primarily Lincoln and Concord but the roads
> are just too unsafe- the neglect is appalling!
>
> For the last decade and with the purchase of a mountain bike, I have
> enjoyed better workouts, less bent rims and zero flat tires.
>
> Let’s also hope that common sense ‘rules’ will prevail and dogs will be
> leashed on these trails- speaking of appalling.
>
> Vic
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 6:12 PM John Mendelson 
> wrote:
>
>> I cant stay silent any longer.  Our roads are unsafe and getting worse
>> for cycling and walking, particularly for children who are harder to see
>> from the SUV's that dominate our roadways.  Our trails are plentiful and
>> relatively underused.   To give 10% more access to give kids and other
>> cyclists seems like an incremental change, especially compared to what our
>> peer towns are doing.  The sense of entitlement and "othering" of cyclists
>> on this forum is absolutely galling.  Listen to yourselves.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022, 6:06 PM Mary Crowe  wrote:
>>
>>> I would like to put in a word for horseback riders  on the trails where
>>> we are allowed Bikes often run up behind my horse silently and as walkers
>>> have said there is no time to react. I have seen horses bolt from
>>> unannounced bikes or sudden shouts from bikers  . We all need to share the
>>> trails but opening up to groups of bikers will only make trails less safe
>>>  I have found  that many of  bikers are uninformed about trail etiquette or
>>> just too busy getting where they want to go to be courteous  . That’s a
>>> problem for all of us  who love Lincoln trails
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:01 PM Barbara Peskin 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Lincoln Talk,
 I haven't had a chance to read all the comments but I know people have
 mentioned that the Conservation Commission is meeting tonight to vote on
 whether to enact proposed changes to trail use that include going from 8 to
 19 miles of trails for recreational bike use and giving permits to large
 bike groups to use the trails and parking areas.

 As a 25+ year walker on Lincoln Trails and cherisher of nature on those
 walks, my main concern with proposed changes is that it will invite metro
 west bike groups to our trails and parking areas. I sent in a detailed
 letter and attended both forums. I can't attend tonight but my hope is they
 will postpone enacting changes and hear from more walkers and nature
 cherishers.

 If you would like to get a copy of my letter which is in the public
 record I'm happy to share it - it will give you more info.

 I've seen other wonderful arguments and letters asking to keep bike
 groups off the trails for a variety of reasons as well.

 I'll close here with the thought that at the last forum one LIncoln
 biker said he appreciates nature when biking on the trails alone -
 unfortunately the proposed sweeping changes to the trail use all over town
 is going to bring in bike groups - it's not about one or two Lincoln bike
 riders.

 Thanks for listening. Please contact me if you would like more thoughts
 on this.

 Thanks,
 Barbara

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Trail Use Proposed Changes

[Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln]

That is a very good point.
The bike meets horse scenario could easily be fatal.
How to mark the trails to greatly reduce bike/horse interactions?? 


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On Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 6:34 PM, sally kindleberger 
 wrote:

I am concerned for several reasons about opening up many trails to bikes.  1. 
Bikes can be harmful to plants along the trails. In addition they can be a 
danger to riders and their horses, as well as walkers who want to enjoy the 
quiet of Lincoln’s natural beauty.
On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 6:22 PM V Saleme  wrote:

100% John.
I had road biked for decades-Primarily Lincoln and Concord but the roads are 
just too unsafe- the neglect is appalling! 
For the last decade and with the purchase of a mountain bike, I have enjoyed 
better workouts, less bent rims and zero flat tires.
Let’s also hope that common sense ‘rules’ will prevail and dogs will be leashed 
on these trails- speaking of appalling.
Vic
On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 6:12 PM John Mendelson  wrote:

I cant stay silent any longer.  Our roads are unsafe and getting worse for 
cycling and walking, particularly for children who are harder to see from the 
SUV's that dominate our roadways.  Our trails are plentiful and relatively 
underused.   To give 10% more access to give kids and other cyclists seems like 
an incremental change, especially compared to what our peer towns are doing.  
The sense of entitlement and "othering" of cyclists on this forum is absolutely 
galling.  Listen to yourselves.
On Wed, Jun 1, 2022, 6:06 PM Mary Crowe  wrote:

I would like to put in a word for horseback riders  on the trails where we are 
allowed Bikes often run up behind my horse silently and as walkers have said 
there is no time to react. I have seen horses bolt from unannounced bikes or 
sudden shouts from bikers  . We all need to share the trails but opening up to 
groups of bikers will only make trails less safe  I have found  that many of  
bikers are uninformed about trail etiquette or just too busy getting where they 
want to go to be courteous  . That’s a problem for all of us  who love Lincoln 
trails 
On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:01 PM Barbara Peskin  wrote:

Hi Lincoln Talk, I haven't had a chance to read all the comments but I know 
people have mentioned that the Conservation Commission is meeting tonight to 
vote on whether to enact proposed changes to trail use that include going from 
8 to 19 miles of trails for recreational bike use and giving permits to large 
bike groups to use the trails and parking areas.
As a 25+ year walker on Lincoln Trails and cherisher of nature on those walks, 
my main concern with proposed changes is that it will invite metro west bike 
groups to our trails and parking areas. I sent in a detailed letter and 
attended both forums. I can't attend tonight but my hope is they will postpone 
enacting changes and hear from more walkers and nature cherishers.
If you would like to get a copy of my letter which is in the public record I'm 
happy to share it - it will give you more info. 
I've seen other wonderful arguments and letters asking to keep bike groups off 
the trails for a variety of reasons as well. 
I'll close here with the thought that at the last forum one LIncoln biker said 
he appreciates nature when biking on the trails alone - unfortunately the 
proposed sweeping changes to the trail use all over town is going to bring in 
bike groups - it's not about one or two Lincoln bike riders.
Thanks for listening. Please contact me if you would like more thoughts on 
this. 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Corrected - Trail Use Proposal - not too late to postpone and impact on walkers and nature

[llas902551--- via Lincoln]

Mayb the trails committee  can find out from surrounding  towns  how they 
handle bikes/walkers.Lynne  LaSpina 

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Re: [LincolnTalk] The Ideology of the Bicycle - The Atlantic

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Also see Jill Lepore’s fun bicycle piece in the May 30 New Yorker!Craig Donaldson Sent from Mail for Windows From: Lynne SmithSent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 6:21 PMTo: LincolnSubject: [LincolnTalk] The Ideology of the Bicycle - The Atlantic Too add to the debate some historical perspective. I hope this will open. https://www.theatlantic.com/books/archive/2022/05/jody-rosen-two-wheels-good-bicycle-history/661144/  Lynne Smith5 Tabor Hill RoadLincoln, MA 01773781-258-1175Sent from my iPhone-- The LincolnTalk mailing list.To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org.Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/.Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/.Change your subscription settings at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.  
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Corrected - Trail Use Proposal - not too late to postpone and impact on walkers and nature

[Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln]

Bedford has a nice system.



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Mayb the trails committee  can find out from surrounding  towns  how they 
handle bikes/walkers.Lynne  LaSpina 

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Corrected - Trail Use Proposal - not too late to postpone and impact on walkers and nature

[Andy Wang]

Also, for context:  Lincoln has 80+ miles of trails (
https://www.lincolntown.org/245/Conservation).  So the increase of trails
that are accessible to bikes from 8-19 miles still restricts mountain
biking to only ~24% of the trails that exist in the town (up from 10%).  So
there are still 61+ miles of trails in the town to explore if you REALLY
want to avoid mountain bikes.

- Andy

On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 6:51 PM Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln <
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> handle bikes/walkers.
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Trail Use Proposed Changes

[Nancy Bergen via Lincoln]

I also like to ride my horse on the trails and bikes and horses just don’t mix. 

Mixing bikes and horses is an accident waiting to happen.

Unfortunately the bikers I’ve met on the trails seem to care less

about giving way to anyone that is on foot or on horseback.

I am reluctant now to ride my horse on the trails because of the bikers.

I grew up riding my horse on the trail in Lincoln and no one rode their bikes 
on the trails back then.

 

I hope the Bergen Culver trails are not opened up to bikes.

My parents along with the Culvers donated their land to con com. and would be 
very

unhappy if they knew it was opened up to bikers.

 

Nancy Bergen

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Lincoln  On Behalf Of Mary Crowe
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 6:06 PM
To: Barbara Peskin 
Cc:  
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Trail Use Proposed Changes

 

I would like to put in a word for horseback riders  on the trails where we are 
allowed Bikes often run up behind my horse silently and as walkers have said 
there is no time to react. I have seen horses bolt from unannounced bikes or 
sudden shouts from bikers  . We all need to share the trails but opening up to 
groups of bikers will only make trails less safe  I have found  that many of  
bikers are uninformed about trail etiquette or just too busy getting where they 
want to go to be courteous  . That’s a problem for all of us  who love Lincoln 
trails 

 

On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:01 PM Barbara Peskin mailto:bpeski...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Lincoln Talk, 

I haven't had a chance to read all the comments but I know people have 
mentioned that the Conservation Commission is meeting tonight to vote on 
whether to enact proposed changes to trail use that include going from 8 to 19 
miles of trails for recreational bike use and giving permits to large bike 
groups to use the trails and parking areas.

 

As a 25+ year walker on Lincoln Trails and cherisher of nature on those walks, 
my main concern with proposed changes is that it will invite metro west bike 
groups to our trails and parking areas. I sent in a detailed letter and 
attended both forums. I can't attend tonight but my hope is they will postpone 
enacting changes and hear from more walkers and nature cherishers.

 

If you would like to get a copy of my letter which is in the public record I'm 
happy to share it - it will give you more info. 

 

I've seen other wonderful arguments and letters asking to keep bike groups off 
the trails for a variety of reasons as well. 

 

I'll close here with the thought that at the last forum one LIncoln biker said 
he appreciates nature when biking on the trails alone - unfortunately the 
proposed sweeping changes to the trail use all over town is going to bring in 
bike groups - it's not about one or two Lincoln bike riders.

 

Thanks for listening. Please contact me if you would like more thoughts on 
this. 

 

Thanks,

Barbara

 

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Proposed new trail policies

[Gordon Woodington]

This has 8 o'clock start.  The website has 7:00.   Bummer.

On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 12:36 PM Deborah Howe via Lincoln <
lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:

> Hello, all --
>
> I haven't seen mention of Lincoln's  proposed trail policy changes in this
> forum since the May 18 Conservation Zoom call, and thought that perhaps
>  people not on that call might be interested to know about the changes,
> which have implications for people and dogs who walk the trails, as well as
> for the flora and fauna living in Lincoln's woods and fields.
>
> The Conservation Dept. recorded the May 18 Zoom call, on which Michele
> Grzenda, Conservation Director, gave an excellent explanation on what the
> proposed policy includes.  Much of the call was given over to citizen
> comments, as well. I was impressed with how respectful and thoughtful folks
> were even as there were significant differences of opinion.
>
> You can find the recording, as well as maps and other documents presented,
> at
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Po2vEOwZdYDkTkOiv-fP6i515q5fFmnT;
> if you are interested in the nature of Lincoln and if you walk the trails
> the recording and docs are well worth a listen and review.
>
> People sent in additional comments to the Conservation Dept. and
> Conservation Commission after the call (comment period ran from May 18 to
> May 25), and this Wednesday night (June 1) at 8 p.m. the ConComm will
> discuss comments and observations they have received.  This meeting is also
> open to the public; the link to that Zoom is
> https://www.lincolntown.org/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Agenda/4544?html=true
>
> I'm posting this info because the trail system belongs to all Lincoln
> residents, and the proposed changes will affect pretty much everyone who
> walks the trails and the nature of many of the trails themselves.  If you
> weren't able to attend the May 18 Zoom, the June 1 Zoom would be a good one
> to attend, to understand how those changes may affect you.
>
> Deb Howe
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Proposed new trail policies

[brianna doo]

The bike portion is a proposed 8pm start. 7pm starts other conservation issues 
first 

https://www.lincolntown.org/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Agenda/4544?html=true

> On Jun 1, 2022, at 7:24 PM, Gordon Woodington  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> This has 8 o'clock start.  The website has 7:00.   Bummer.
> 
>> On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 12:36 PM Deborah Howe via Lincoln 
>>  wrote:
>> Hello, all -- 
>> 
>> I haven't seen mention of Lincoln's  proposed trail policy changes in this 
>> forum since the May 18 Conservation Zoom call, and thought that perhaps  
>> people not on that call might be interested to know about the changes, which 
>> have implications for people and dogs who walk the trails, as well as for 
>> the flora and fauna living in Lincoln's woods and fields.  
>> 
>> The Conservation Dept. recorded the May 18 Zoom call, on which Michele 
>> Grzenda, Conservation Director, gave an excellent explanation on what the 
>> proposed policy includes.  Much of the call was given over to citizen 
>> comments, as well. I was impressed with how respectful and thoughtful folks 
>> were even as there were significant differences of opinion.
>> 
>> You can find the recording, as well as maps and other documents presented, 
>> at https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Po2vEOwZdYDkTkOiv-fP6i515q5fFmnT; 
>> if you are interested in the nature of Lincoln and if you walk the trails 
>> the recording and docs are well worth a listen and review.
>> 
>> People sent in additional comments to the Conservation Dept. and 
>> Conservation Commission after the call (comment period ran from May 18 to 
>> May 25), and this Wednesday night (June 1) at 8 p.m. the ConComm will 
>> discuss comments and observations they have received.  This meeting is also 
>> open to the public; the link to that Zoom is 
>> https://www.lincolntown.org/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Agenda/4544?html=true
>> 
>> I'm posting this info because the trail system belongs to all Lincoln 
>> residents, and the proposed changes will affect pretty much everyone who 
>> walks the trails and the nature of many of the trails themselves.  If you 
>> weren't able to attend the May 18 Zoom, the June 1 Zoom would be a good one 
>> to attend, to understand how those changes may affect you.
>> 
>> Deb Howe
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Trail Use Proposed Changes

[Sara Mattes]

My experience is now, exclusively on foot.
Unfortunately, my interaction with bikes, both on roads and on trails has not 
been pleasant.
I am more than happy to share resources, but my sense is those on 2 wheels are 
not.
There seems to be an air of entitlement...holier -than-thou.
I have been yelled at on numerous occasions as I have not hopped out out the 
way fast enough.
And, in my car, I have NEVER seen a bike stop at the STOP sign on Silver Hill 
and Weston Road.
Come on guys, we all have to play by the same rules!

Given these experiences, I certainly pray we do not do anything to encourage 
more of the same.

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> On Jun 1, 2022, at 7:14 PM, Nancy Bergen via Lincoln 
>  wrote:
> 
> I also like to ride my horse on the trails and bikes and horses just don’t 
> mix. 
> Mixing bikes and horses is an accident waiting to happen.
> Unfortunately the bikers I’ve met on the trails seem to care less
> about giving way to anyone that is on foot or on horseback.
> I am reluctant now to ride my horse on the trails because of the bikers.
> I grew up riding my horse on the trail in Lincoln and no one rode their bikes 
> on the trails back then.
>  
> I hope the Bergen Culver trails are not opened up to bikes.
> My parents along with the Culvers donated their land to con com. and would be 
> very
> unhappy if they knew it was opened up to bikers.
>  
> Nancy Bergen
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: Lincoln  On Behalf Of Mary Crowe
> Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 6:06 PM
> To: Barbara Peskin 
> Cc:  
> Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Trail Use Proposed Changes
>  
> I would like to put in a word for horseback riders  on the trails where we 
> are allowed Bikes often run up behind my horse silently and as walkers have 
> said there is no time to react. I have seen horses bolt from unannounced 
> bikes or sudden shouts from bikers  . We all need to share the trails but 
> opening up to groups of bikers will only make trails less safe  I have found  
> that many of  bikers are uninformed about trail etiquette or just too busy 
> getting where they want to go to be courteous  . That’s a problem for all of 
> us  who love Lincoln trails 
>  
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:01 PM Barbara Peskin  > wrote:
>> Hi Lincoln Talk, 
>> I haven't had a chance to read all the comments but I know people have 
>> mentioned that the Conservation Commission is meeting tonight to vote on 
>> whether to enact proposed changes to trail use that include going from 8 to 
>> 19 miles of trails for recreational bike use and giving permits to large 
>> bike groups to use the trails and parking areas.
>>  
>> As a 25+ year walker on Lincoln Trails and cherisher of nature on those 
>> walks, my main concern with proposed changes is that it will invite metro 
>> west bike groups to our trails and parking areas. I sent in a detailed 
>> letter and attended both forums. I can't attend tonight but my hope is they 
>> will postpone enacting changes and hear from more walkers and nature 
>> cherishers.
>>  
>> If you would like to get a copy of my letter which is in the public record 
>> I'm happy to share it - it will give you more info. 
>>  
>> I've seen other wonderful arguments and letters asking to keep bike groups 
>> off the trails for a variety of reasons as well. 
>>  
>> I'll close here with the thought that at the last forum one LIncoln biker 
>> said he appreciates nature when biking on the trails alone - unfortunately 
>> the proposed sweeping changes to the trail use all over town is going to 
>> bring in bike groups - it's not about one or two Lincoln bike riders.
>>  
>> Thanks for listening. Please contact me if you would like more thoughts on 
>> this. 
>>  
>> Thanks,
>> Barbara
>>  
>> -- 
>> ~
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>> 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Corrected - Trail Use Proposal - not too late to postpone and impact on walkers and nature

[Sara Mattes]

Bingo!
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> On Jun 1, 2022, at 5:24 PM, Leslie Turek  wrote:
> 
> Someone at the open meeting made a good point. The local bike riders want to 
> have expanded bike trails in order to have a network that would assist them 
> to commute around town without having to ride on the dangerous narrow roads. 
> A perfectly reasonable request. But the trails that were designated in the 
> proposed plan were small dense networks, such as at Mt. Misery, that really 
> didn't help much to help with that goal. I would like to see a plan that was 
> specifically focussed on allowing people to travel around town, so that there 
> would be only one bike-allowed trail through a specific area, with the rest 
> of the trails reserved for walkers only. 
> 
> Leslie Turek
> 
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 5:18 PM Margaret Olson  > wrote:
> To put paths along all our major roads with no paths currently would require 
> a serious commitment by the town. It could be done, but we would need to 
> either spend very large amounts of money or make the roads with problems 
> (limited right of way, ledge, wetlands) one way in order to devote a lane to 
> a path. We would also need to remove most of the slip lanes. The majority of 
> major roads with no path currently have a problem. Short of that level of 
> commitment the trails are part of the network to get around town on foot or 
> on bike. 
> 
> For a data point, a roadside path on Weston road had a rough estimate of 7-8 
> million assuming we could acquire the easements.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 4:56 PM Jennifer Goodman  > wrote:
> No one’s arguing whether bikes should exist in our town. But Amsterdam is a 
> city. Mt Misery is the woods. Let’s keep bikes on sidewalks and roads, as 
> they are in Boston. It does feel dangerous to me to have them on the trails. 
> When I’m walking with bikes around, I hear the ‘on your left’ about a 
> nanosecond before they are on top of me, and it's impossible to react in 
> time. In what way is this an improvement? And will all the dogs at Mt Misery 
> react fast enough, or in the right direction to get out of the way? Sounds 
> like a mess waiting to happen. Especially if it’s “mostly kids." And I 
> thought the ticks were the biggest challenge about a walk at Mt Misery. Well, 
> maybe it’s aptly named after all?
> 
>> On Jun 1, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Margaret Olson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Doug - that's a great reminder that what we're talking about when it 
>> comes to bikes on trails in Lincoln in 2022 is mostly kids with some adults 
>> on errands and short casual trips. The serious mountain bikers aren't 
>> interested. I'm guessing, but this is probably why our neighboring towns 
>> have no problems; their trails aren't any more compelling to an adult than 
>> ours are.
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 4:00 PM Doug Carson > > wrote:
>> I think Margaret makes some great points here...
>> 
>> Not only was Lincoln Guide Service attracting cyclists to Lincoln, but 
>> mountain biking was a relatively new sport in the 90s.  Boston folks were 
>> coming to the Lincoln trails to *try* mountain biking.  Those days are long 
>> gone...not because bikes are banned from most of our trails (as Margaret 
>> points out, Weston & Concord permit bikes on trails, yet they're not overrun 
>> with riders)...but because the sport has grown up.  And as lovely as our 
>> trails are, they are not much of a mountain biking destination anymore.  
>> There are far too many better destinations that attract Boston mountain 
>> bikers.
>> As our town thinks about this issue, let's keep in mind that with increasing 
>> traffic and gas prices, and of course the environmental issues, the more 
>> cars off the road, the better.  Now imagine you can avoid one more drive to 
>> the post office, school, the library, Donelans, etc. because you could now 
>> use a mix of roads AND trails to get around town...I believe that would be a 
>> more desirable place to live.
>> There are growing pains with any change (and rude people wherever you go).  
>> I recall visiting Amsterdam a few years ago with all the people biking 
>> everywhere there; I almost got run over on several occasions!  But as a 
>> pedestrian there, I quickly figured out how to navigate.  Point being that 
>> even good change takes some time to get used to it!
>> 
>> Doug Carson
>>  
>> 
>> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 01:34:17 PM EDT, Margaret Olson 
>> mailto:marga...@margaretolson.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I'd like to remind everyone that bikes are permitted on the Weston and 
>> Concord town trails with no adverse effects that this regular walker (24 
>> years) can detect. Nor have I heard that there are problems on those trails. 
>> I am often on the Weston trails as I live near them.
>> 
>> Twenty five years ago the Lincoln Guide Service did create a problem on

Re: [LincolnTalk] Corrected - Trail Use Proposal - not too late to postpone and impact on walkers and nature

[Sara Mattes]

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> On Jun 1, 2022, at 4:55 PM, Jennifer Goodman  wrote:
> 
> No one’s arguing whether bikes should exist in our town. But Amsterdam is a 
> city. Mt Misery is the woods. Let’s keep bikes on sidewalks and roads, as 
> they are in Boston. It does feel dangerous to me to have them on the trails. 
> When I’m walking with bikes around, I hear the ‘on your left’ about a 
> nanosecond before they are on top of me, and it's impossible to react in 
> time. In what way is this an improvement? And will all the dogs at Mt Misery 
> react fast enough, or in the right direction to get out of the way? Sounds 
> like a mess waiting to happen. Especially if it’s “mostly kids." And I 
> thought the ticks were the biggest challenge about a walk at Mt Misery. Well, 
> maybe it’s aptly named after all?
> 
>> On Jun 1, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Margaret Olson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Doug - that's a great reminder that what we're talking about when it 
>> comes to bikes on trails in Lincoln in 2022 is mostly kids with some adults 
>> on errands and short casual trips. The serious mountain bikers aren't 
>> interested. I'm guessing, but this is probably why our neighboring towns 
>> have no problems; their trails aren't any more compelling to an adult than 
>> ours are.
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 4:00 PM Doug Carson > > wrote:
>> I think Margaret makes some great points here...
>> 
>> Not only was Lincoln Guide Service attracting cyclists to Lincoln, but 
>> mountain biking was a relatively new sport in the 90s.  Boston folks were 
>> coming to the Lincoln trails to *try* mountain biking.  Those days are long 
>> gone...not because bikes are banned from most of our trails (as Margaret 
>> points out, Weston & Concord permit bikes on trails, yet they're not overrun 
>> with riders)...but because the sport has grown up.  And as lovely as our 
>> trails are, they are not much of a mountain biking destination anymore.  
>> There are far too many better destinations that attract Boston mountain 
>> bikers.
>> As our town thinks about this issue, let's keep in mind that with increasing 
>> traffic and gas prices, and of course the environmental issues, the more 
>> cars off the road, the better.  Now imagine you can avoid one more drive to 
>> the post office, school, the library, Donelans, etc. because you could now 
>> use a mix of roads AND trails to get around town...I believe that would be a 
>> more desirable place to live.
>> There are growing pains with any change (and rude people wherever you go).  
>> I recall visiting Amsterdam a few years ago with all the people biking 
>> everywhere there; I almost got run over on several occasions!  But as a 
>> pedestrian there, I quickly figured out how to navigate.  Point being that 
>> even good change takes some time to get used to it!
>> 
>> Doug Carson
>>  
>> 
>> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 01:34:17 PM EDT, Margaret Olson 
>> mailto:marga...@margaretolson.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I'd like to remind everyone that bikes are permitted on the Weston and 
>> Concord town trails with no adverse effects that this regular walker (24 
>> years) can detect. Nor have I heard that there are problems on those trails. 
>> I am often on the Weston trails as I live near them.
>> 
>> Twenty five years ago the Lincoln Guide Service did create a problem on the 
>> trails - but it is long gone.
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:07 PM Barbara Peskin > > wrote:
>> Correction - 8 miles to 19...
>> 
>> Hi Lincoln Talk, 
>> I haven't had a chance to read all the comments but I know people have 
>> mentioned that the Conservation Commission is meeting tonight and vote on 
>> whether to enact proposed changes to trail use that include going from 8 to 
>> 19 miles of trails for recreational bike use and giving permits to large 
>> bike groups to use the trails and parking areas.
>> 
>> As a 25+ year walker on Lincoln Trails and cherisher of nature on those 
>> walks, my main concern with proposed changes is that it will invite metro 
>> west bike groups to our trails and parking areas. I sent in a detailed 
>> letter and attended both forums. I can't attend tonight but my hope is they 
>> will postpone enacting changes and hear from more walkers and nature 
>> cherishers.
>> 
>> If you would like to get a copy of my letter which is in the public record 
>> I'm happy to share it - it will give you more info. 
>> 
>> I've seen other wonderful arguments and letters asking to keep bike groups 
>> off the trails for a variety of reasons as well. 
>> 
>> I'll close here with the thought that at the last forum one LIncoln biker 
>> said he appreciates nature when biking on the trails alone - unfortunately 
>> the proposed sweeping changes to the trail use all over town is going to 
>> bring in bike groups - it's not about one or two Lincoln bike riders.
>> 
>> Thanks for listening. Please contac

Re: [LincolnTalk] Corrected - Trail Use Proposal - not too late to postpone and impact on walkers and nature

[Sara Mattes]

There are no “kids with some adults on errands” on my local trail system 
(Pigeon Hill), but there are enough mountain bikers who persist in ripping down 
signs.

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> On Jun 1, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Margaret Olson  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Doug - that's a great reminder that what we're talking about when it 
> comes to bikes on trails in Lincoln in 2022 is mostly kids with some adults 
> on errands and short casual trips. The serious mountain bikers aren't 
> interested. I'm guessing, but this is probably why our neighboring towns have 
> no problems; their trails aren't any more compelling to an adult than ours 
> are.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 4:00 PM Doug Carson  > wrote:
> I think Margaret makes some great points here...
> 
> Not only was Lincoln Guide Service attracting cyclists to Lincoln, but 
> mountain biking was a relatively new sport in the 90s.  Boston folks were 
> coming to the Lincoln trails to *try* mountain biking.  Those days are long 
> gone...not because bikes are banned from most of our trails (as Margaret 
> points out, Weston & Concord permit bikes on trails, yet they're not overrun 
> with riders)...but because the sport has grown up.  And as lovely as our 
> trails are, they are not much of a mountain biking destination anymore.  
> There are far too many better destinations that attract Boston mountain 
> bikers.
> As our town thinks about this issue, let's keep in mind that with increasing 
> traffic and gas prices, and of course the environmental issues, the more cars 
> off the road, the better.  Now imagine you can avoid one more drive to the 
> post office, school, the library, Donelans, etc. because you could now use a 
> mix of roads AND trails to get around town...I believe that would be a more 
> desirable place to live.
> There are growing pains with any change (and rude people wherever you go).  I 
> recall visiting Amsterdam a few years ago with all the people biking 
> everywhere there; I almost got run over on several occasions!  But as a 
> pedestrian there, I quickly figured out how to navigate.  Point being that 
> even good change takes some time to get used to it!
> 
> Doug Carson
>  
> 
> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 01:34:17 PM EDT, Margaret Olson 
> mailto:marga...@margaretolson.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> I'd like to remind everyone that bikes are permitted on the Weston and 
> Concord town trails with no adverse effects that this regular walker (24 
> years) can detect. Nor have I heard that there are problems on those trails. 
> I am often on the Weston trails as I live near them.
> 
> Twenty five years ago the Lincoln Guide Service did create a problem on the 
> trails - but it is long gone.
> 
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:07 PM Barbara Peskin  > wrote:
> Correction - 8 miles to 19...
> 
> Hi Lincoln Talk, 
> I haven't had a chance to read all the comments but I know people have 
> mentioned that the Conservation Commission is meeting tonight and vote on 
> whether to enact proposed changes to trail use that include going from 8 to 
> 19 miles of trails for recreational bike use and giving permits to large bike 
> groups to use the trails and parking areas.
> 
> As a 25+ year walker on Lincoln Trails and cherisher of nature on those 
> walks, my main concern with proposed changes is that it will invite metro 
> west bike groups to our trails and parking areas. I sent in a detailed letter 
> and attended both forums. I can't attend tonight but my hope is they will 
> postpone enacting changes and hear from more walkers and nature cherishers.
> 
> If you would like to get a copy of my letter which is in the public record 
> I'm happy to share it - it will give you more info. 
> 
> I've seen other wonderful arguments and letters asking to keep bike groups 
> off the trails for a variety of reasons as well. 
> 
> I'll close here with the thought that at the last forum one LIncoln biker 
> said he appreciates nature when biking on the trails alone - unfortunately 
> the proposed sweeping changes to the trail use all over town is going to 
> bring in bike groups - it's not about one or two Lincoln bike riders.
> 
> Thanks for listening. Please contact me if you would like more thoughts on 
> this. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Barbara
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Trail Use Proposed Changes

[Scott Clary]

Hello Lincoln!

I'm a bit late to all of this and caught the correspondence last minute
from our conservation person, Michele regarding this topic a couple weeks
back.

I am in complete agreement with John Mendelson and Doug Carson and other
proponents of less restrictive rules pertaining to bike use on OUR trails.
All of us Lincoln residents pay trail fees. Opening our trails to out of
town bike groups, I can agree could be going too far. But please respect
multiple uses of our trails, especially when it involves trail respectful,
Lincoln taxpayers.

Based on my extensive experience using our trail system and being an avid
mountain biker and Backcountry skier and hiker, those people similar to me
are mostly incredibly environmentally conscious and very respectful of the
trails and others using them and go out of their way to make sure that they
are using proper etiquette and help maintain them for all.

Here is a correspondence I recently sent to Michele following her post
regarding public input:

Hello Michele,

Thank you for this heads up. I guess I've not been paying attention and did
not know this was taking place and you were looking for public input. As an
abbutter and steward of the conservation land and trail system in Lincoln
for the past 24 years, I have always been bewildered by the mountain bike
rules/ culture.

My family hikes, skis and mountain bikes the trails and have done so for
many years. And we do our share to help maintain and improve the land;
picking up dog feces, litter and moving fallen trees off the trails to free
up passage for all.

I have done extensive research into mountain bikes damaging trail systems
and there is really nothing definitive stating that's the case. The
arguments made to keep bikers off trail systems seem to be agenda based for
the most part. If anything, mountain bikers are mostly very environmentally
conscious and careful to stay on trails and help pick up trash and disply
appropriate etiquette. I have carefully mountain biked (accompanied by
multiple past and present - at the time - town selectman - by the way) most
every trail in this town and I never witnessed any of us doing any reckless
or otherwise damage. A footprint and a horse hoof does the same or more
impact from what I can see. Nothing against horses - I come from an
equestrian family and love them.

I will continue to bike, hike and ski Lincoln trails. Jane can only be in
so many places 😉

Kind Regards,

Scott Clary
617-968-5769
Oak Knoll

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On Wed, Jun 1, 2022, 6:12 PM John Mendelson 
wrote:

> I cant stay silent any longer.  Our roads are unsafe and getting worse for
> cycling and walking, particularly for children who are harder to see from
> the SUV's that dominate our roadways.  Our trails are plentiful and
> relatively underused.   To give 10% more access to give kids and other
> cyclists seems like an incremental change, especially compared to what our
> peer towns are doing.  The sense of entitlement and "othering" of cyclists
> on this forum is absolutely galling.  Listen to yourselves.
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022, 6:06 PM Mary Crowe  wrote:
>
>> I would like to put in a word for horseback riders  on the trails where
>> we are allowed Bikes often run up behind my horse silently and as walkers
>> have said there is no time to react. I have seen horses bolt from
>> unannounced bikes or sudden shouts from bikers  . We all need to share the
>> trails but opening up to groups of bikers will only make trails less safe
>>  I have found  that many of  bikers are uninformed about trail etiquette or
>> just too busy getting where they want to go to be courteous  . That’s a
>> problem for all of us  who love Lincoln trails
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:01 PM Barbara Peskin 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Lincoln Talk,
>>> I haven't had a chance to read all the comments but I know people have
>>> mentioned that the Conservation Commission is meeting tonight to vote on
>>> whether to enact proposed changes to trail use that include going from 8 to
>>> 19 miles of trails for recreational bike use and giving permits to large
>>> bike groups to use the trails and parking areas.
>>>
>>> As a 25+ year walker on Lincoln Trails and cherisher of nature on those
>>> walks, my main concern with proposed changes is that it will invite metro
>>> west bike groups to our trails and parking areas. I sent in a detailed
>>> letter and attended both forums. I can't attend tonight but my hope is they
>>> will postpone enacting changes and hear from more walkers and nature
>>> cherishers.
>>>
>>> If you would like to get a copy of my letter which is in the public
>>> record I'm happy to share it - it will give you more info.
>>>
>>> I've seen other wonderful arguments and letters asking to keep bike
>>> groups off the trails for a variety of reasons as well.
>>>
>>> I'll close here with the thought that at the last forum one LIncoln
>>> biker said he appreciates nature when 

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Corrected - Trail Use Proposal - not too late to postpone and impact on walkers and nature

[Scott Clary]

Mountain bikes are designed for trail and off road. I only ride a mountain
bike and love the trails and nature. They are exillerating.

Sidewalks and roads are dangerous as they are full of traffic and
pedestrians. And not to mention pavement really hurts when you go down.

How about everyone gets along and is respectful of one another and their
use of our trail system - use common sense, be courteous - stay on the
trail, yield to hikers and horses.

There should not be all of this animosity and contentiousness.

Just one mountain bikers opinion.

Kind Regards,

Scott Clary
617-968-5769

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On Wed, Jun 1, 2022, 4:56 PM Jennifer Goodman  wrote:

> No one’s arguing whether bikes should exist in our town. But Amsterdam is
> a city. Mt Misery is the woods. Let’s keep bikes on sidewalks and roads, as
> they are in Boston. It does feel dangerous to me to have them on the
> trails. When I’m walking with bikes around, I hear the ‘on your left’ about
> a nanosecond before they are on top of me, and it's impossible to react in
> time. In what way is this an improvement? And will all the dogs at Mt
> Misery react fast enough, or in the right direction to get out of the way?
> Sounds like a mess waiting to happen. Especially if it’s “mostly kids." And
> I thought the ticks were the biggest challenge about a walk at Mt Misery.
> Well, maybe it’s aptly named after all?
>
> On Jun 1, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Margaret Olson 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Doug - that's a great reminder that what we're talking about when
> it comes to bikes on trails in Lincoln in 2022 is mostly kids with some
> adults on errands and short casual trips. The serious mountain bikers
> aren't interested. I'm guessing, but this is probably why our neighboring
> towns have no problems; their trails aren't any more compelling to an adult
> than ours are.
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 4:00 PM Doug Carson  wrote:
>
>> I think Margaret makes some great points here...
>>
>> Not only was Lincoln Guide Service attracting cyclists to Lincoln, but
>> mountain biking was a relatively new sport in the 90s.  Boston folks were
>> coming to the Lincoln trails to *try* mountain biking.  Those days are long
>> gone...not because bikes are banned from most of our trails (as Margaret
>> points out, Weston & Concord permit bikes on trails, yet they're not
>> overrun with riders)...but because the sport has grown up.  And as lovely
>> as our trails are, they are not much of a mountain biking destination
>> anymore.  There are far too many better destinations that attract Boston
>> mountain bikers.
>> As our town thinks about this issue, let's keep in mind that with
>> increasing traffic and gas prices, and of course the environmental issues,
>> the more cars off the road, the better.  Now imagine you can avoid one more
>> drive to the post office, school, the library, Donelans, etc. because you
>> could now use a mix of roads AND trails to get around town...I believe that
>> would be a more desirable place to live.
>> There are growing pains with any change (and rude people wherever you
>> go).  I recall visiting Amsterdam a few years ago with all the people
>> biking everywhere there; I almost got run over on several occasions!  But
>> as a pedestrian there, I quickly figured out how to navigate.  Point being
>> that even good change takes some time to get used to it!
>>
>> Doug Carson
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 01:34:17 PM EDT, Margaret Olson <
>> marga...@margaretolson.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'd like to remind everyone that bikes are permitted on the Weston and
>> Concord town trails with no adverse effects that this regular walker (24
>> years) can detect. Nor have I heard that there are problems on those
>> trails. I am often on the Weston trails as I live near them.
>>
>> Twenty five years ago the Lincoln Guide Service did create a problem on
>> the trails - but it is long gone.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:07 PM Barbara Peskin 
>> wrote:
>>
>> *Correction - 8 miles to 19...*
>>
>> Hi Lincoln Talk,
>> I haven't had a chance to read all the comments but I know people have
>> mentioned that the Conservation Commission is meeting tonight and vote on
>> whether to enact proposed changes to trail use that include going from 8 to
>> 19 miles of trails for recreational bike use and giving permits to large
>> bike groups to use the trails and parking areas.
>>
>> As a 25+ year walker on Lincoln Trails and cherisher of nature on those
>> walks, my main concern with proposed changes is that it will invite metro
>> west bike groups to our trails and parking areas. I sent in a detailed
>> letter and attended both forums. I can't attend tonight but my hope is they
>> will postpone enacting changes and hear from more walkers and nature
>> cherishers.
>>
>> If you would like to get a copy of my letter which is in the public
>> record I'm happy to share it - it will give you more info.
>>
>> I've seen other wonderful arguments

Re: [LincolnTalk] Corrected - Trail Use Proposal - not too late to postpone and impact on walkers and nature

[Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln]

The horses meets cyclist issue is a tad more complicated but there must be a 
solution. 


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On Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 8:45 PM, Scott Clary  wrote:


Mountain bikes are designed for trail and off road. I only ride a mountain bike 
and love the trails and nature. They are exillerating.
Sidewalks and roads are dangerous as they are full of traffic and pedestrians. 
And not to mention pavement really hurts when you go down.
How about everyone gets along and is respectful of one another and their use of 
our trail system - use common sense, be courteous - stay on the trail, yield to 
hikers and horses.
There should not be all of this animosity and contentiousness.
Just one mountain bikers opinion.
Kind Regards,

Scott Clary
617-968-5769

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On Wed, Jun 1, 2022, 4:56 PM Jennifer Goodman  wrote:

No one’s arguing whether bikes should exist in our town. But Amsterdam is a 
city. Mt Misery is the woods. Let’s keep bikes on sidewalks and roads, as they 
are in Boston. It does feel dangerous to me to have them on the trails. When 
I’m walking with bikes around, I hear the ‘on your left’ about a nanosecond 
before they are on top of me, and it's impossible to react in time. In what way 
is this an improvement? And will all the dogs at Mt Misery react fast enough, 
or in the right direction to get out of the way? Sounds like a mess waiting to 
happen. Especially if it’s “mostly kids." And I thought the ticks were the 
biggest challenge about a walk at Mt Misery. Well, maybe it’s aptly named after 
all?


On Jun 1, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Margaret Olson  wrote:
Thanks Doug - that's a great reminder that what we're talking about when it 
comes to bikes on trails in Lincoln in 2022 is mostly kids with some adults on 
errands and short casual trips. The serious mountain bikers aren't interested. 
I'm guessing, but this is probably why our neighboring towns have no problems; 
their trails aren't any more compelling to an adult than ours are.

On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 4:00 PM Doug Carson  wrote:

 I think Margaret makes some great points here...
Not only was Lincoln Guide Service attracting cyclists to Lincoln, but mountain 
biking was a relatively new sport in the 90s.  Boston folks were coming to the 
Lincoln trails to *try* mountain biking.  Those days are long gone...not 
because bikes are banned from most of our trails (as Margaret points out, 
Weston & Concord permit bikes on trails, yet they're not overrun with 
riders)...but because the sport has grown up.  And as lovely as our trails are, 
they are not much of a mountain biking destination anymore.  There are far too 
many better destinations that attract Boston mountain bikers.As our town thinks 
about this issue, let's keep in mind that with increasing traffic and gas 
prices, and of course the environmental issues, the more cars off the road, the 
better.  Now imagine you can avoid one more drive to the post office, school, 
the library, Donelans, etc. because you could now use a mix of roads AND trails 
to get around town...I believe that would be a more desirable place to 
live.There are growing pains with any change (and rude people wherever you go). 
 I recall visiting Amsterdam a few years ago with all the people biking 
everywhere there; I almost got run over on several occasions!  But as a 
pedestrian there, I quickly figured out how to navigate.  Point being that even 
good change takes some time to get used to it!
Doug Carson 
On Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 01:34:17 PM EDT, Margaret Olson 
 wrote:  
 
 I'd like to remind everyone that bikes are permitted on the Weston and Concord 
town trails with no adverse effects that this regular walker (24 years) can 
detect. Nor have I heard that there are problems on those trails. I am often on 
the Weston trails as I live near them.

Twenty five years ago the Lincoln Guide Service did create a problem on the 
trails - but it is long gone.

On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:07 PM Barbara Peskin  wrote:

Correction - 8 miles to 19...
Hi Lincoln Talk, I haven't had a chance to read all the comments but I know 
people have mentioned that the Conservation Commission is meeting tonight and 
vote on whether to enact proposed changes to trail use that include going from 
8 to 19 miles of trails for recreational bike use and giving permits to large 
bike groups to use the trails and parking areas.
As a 25+ year walker on Lincoln Trails and cherisher of nature on those walks, 
my main concern with proposed changes is that it will invite metro west bike 
groups to our trails and parking areas. I sent in a detailed letter and 
attended both forums. I can't attend tonight but my hope is they will postpone 
enacting changes and hear from more walkers and nature cherishers.
If you would like to get a copy of my letter which is in the public record I'm 
happy to share it - it will give you more info. 
I've seen other wonderful arguments and letters as

Re: [LincolnTalk] Trail Use Proposed Changes

[Laura Glynn]

I agree with Barbara.  Bikes are dictating changes to the roads and now the
trails.  Please leave the trails to the two footed walkers and four footed
critters.  I have been on trails in places allowing groups of bikers on
trails and walking on those trails becomes perilous and the opposite of
peacefUl.


On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:01 PM Barbara Peskin  wrote:

> Hi Lincoln Talk,
> I haven't had a chance to read all the comments but I know people have
> mentioned that the Conservation Commission is meeting tonight to vote on
> whether to enact proposed changes to trail use that include going from 8 to
> 19 miles of trails for recreational bike use and giving permits to large
> bike groups to use the trails and parking areas.
>
> As a 25+ year walker on Lincoln Trails and cherisher of nature on those
> walks, my main concern with proposed changes is that it will invite metro
> west bike groups to our trails and parking areas. I sent in a detailed
> letter and attended both forums. I can't attend tonight but my hope is they
> will postpone enacting changes and hear from more walkers and nature
> cherishers.
>
> If you would like to get a copy of my letter which is in the public record
> I'm happy to share it - it will give you more info.
>
> I've seen other wonderful arguments and letters asking to keep bike groups
> off the trails for a variety of reasons as well.
>
> I'll close here with the thought that at the last forum one LIncoln biker
> said he appreciates nature when biking on the trails alone - unfortunately
> the proposed sweeping changes to the trail use all over town is going to
> bring in bike groups - it's not about one or two Lincoln bike riders.
>
> Thanks for listening. Please contact me if you would like more thoughts on
> this.
>
> Thanks,
> Barbara
>
> --
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>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Trail Use Proposed Changes

[David Giber]

Hi 
I don’t appreciate the characterization of people wanting to keep the trails 
more for hiking than biking as “entitled”
It is a reasonable point of view which others can disagree
I like to bike but would rather keep our trails more for walking
David Giber 



Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 1, 2022, at 9:12 PM, Laura Glynn  wrote:
> 
> 
> I agree with Barbara.  Bikes are dictating changes to the roads and now the 
> trails.  Please leave the trails to the two footed walkers and four footed 
> critters.  I have been on trails in places allowing groups of bikers on 
> trails and walking on those trails becomes perilous and the opposite of 
> peacefUl.
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:01 PM Barbara Peskin  wrote:
>> Hi Lincoln Talk, 
>> I haven't had a chance to read all the comments but I know people have 
>> mentioned that the Conservation Commission is meeting tonight to vote on 
>> whether to enact proposed changes to trail use that include going from 8 to 
>> 19 miles of trails for recreational bike use and giving permits to large 
>> bike groups to use the trails and parking areas.
>> 
>> As a 25+ year walker on Lincoln Trails and cherisher of nature on those 
>> walks, my main concern with proposed changes is that it will invite metro 
>> west bike groups to our trails and parking areas. I sent in a detailed 
>> letter and attended both forums. I can't attend tonight but my hope is they 
>> will postpone enacting changes and hear from more walkers and nature 
>> cherishers.
>> 
>> If you would like to get a copy of my letter which is in the public record 
>> I'm happy to share it - it will give you more info. 
>> 
>> I've seen other wonderful arguments and letters asking to keep bike groups 
>> off the trails for a variety of reasons as well. 
>> 
>> I'll close here with the thought that at the last forum one LIncoln biker 
>> said he appreciates nature when biking on the trails alone - unfortunately 
>> the proposed sweeping changes to the trail use all over town is going to 
>> bring in bike groups - it's not about one or two Lincoln bike riders.
>> 
>> Thanks for listening. Please contact me if you would like more thoughts on 
>> this. 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Barbara
>> 
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>> 
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[LincolnTalk] Coughlin, Hammett-Ory, and Lincoln Girl Scouts win awards

[Laura via Lincoln]

 

 

 

 

 

 

lincoln residents awarded at girl scouts of eastern massachusetts' 2022
Volunteer recognition awards

 

The Lincoln Service Unit and Heather Coughlin were recognized at

May 6th award ceremony

 

Boston, Mass. -   Girl Scouts of Eastern Massachusetts
(GSEMA), the largest girl-serving organization in Massachusetts and 10th
largest Girl Scout council in the United States, was proud to recognize
Heather Coughlin and the Lincoln Service Unit as Volunteer Appreciation
Award recipients at their annual Volunteer Recognition Celebration, on
Friday, May 6, 2022. The ceremony was held in the historic Council Bowl at
Camp Cedar Hill where Girl Scout founder Juliette Low was part of the 1925
international meeting of Girl Scouts and Girl Guides.

 

Heather Coughlin was awarded the Girl Scouts of the USA Appreciation Pin
which recognizes volunteers actively giving outstanding service in support
of the Girl Scout Leadership Experience.  Since 2016, Heather has been the
Lincoln Service Unit Coordinator providing direction and connections between
the various town troop leaders.  She has encouraged sharing information and
resources and has offered opportunities to participate in multi-troop
events.  

 

For more than six years, Heather shouldered the majority of the Town-Wide
events from organizing an annual all-troop camping trip, Bridging
Ceremonies, Cookie Sales, and has coordinated with the Town on participating
in Memorial Day and Labor Day celebrations, Fourth of July parades and
supporting other town events like Town Meeting.  

 

One Lincoln Troop leader commented, "Her attention and dedication to
providing role models to young girls is what I think is most impressive
about Heather.  She is always thinking of the girls: how they can be the
center of the decision or process, take on a leadership role, feel
celebrated and have others to look up to, examples of what they could
accomplish in the future." 

 

In addition to Heather's individual recognition, The Lincoln Service Unit
was awarded the President's Award for its exemplary service in support of
delivering the Girl Scout Leadership Experience.  Lincoln is a small town,
but the connections run deep and those connections, paired with commitment,
have allowed Lincoln Girl Scouts to persevere throughout the pandemic.
Through connections in the community, Girl Scouts are asked year-after-year
to participate in several multi-troop service activities and events.  These
multi-troop efforts allow girls to see other Girl Scouts from different
grades, and older girls become role models to the younger girls.

 

For over four years, a partnership with the Lincoln Council on Aging and
Human Services has provided girls the opportunity to see what a positive
impact a small gesture can have on individuals.  The Lincoln Girl Scouts
have run collection drives for seniors gathering household products,
personal care items, and postage stamps.  Added to these necessities has
been a handmade craft/card with winter wishes.  A Girl Scout Bronze Award
project from years ago has continued on with providing sand buckets in
winter so seniors won't slip on their walkways and driveways.  These
deliveries are always met with much gratitude, almost as much as when the
girls deliver Girl Scout Cookies to home-bound seniors as part of a gifting
program sponsored by the Council on Aging! 

As a service unit, Lincoln has supported several Silver Award projects
including one creating connections through the local library to make virtual
reading buddies, one building and installing colorful benches in the
courtyard of Lincoln Mall, and another working with a local synagogue to
develop more gender-inclusive spaces and services. Lincoln's Girl Scouts are
truly endeavoring to make sure all girls, regardless of gender expression,
are welcome.

The May 6th ceremony also recognized those who had received awards during
the prior years via a Zoom presentation. Linda Hammett Ory, a Lincoln Girl
Scout troop leader for 13 years, was awarded the Girl Scouts of Eastern
Massachusetts' Helen Storrow Heritage Award in June 2021. This award
recognizes a registered Girl Scout who recognizes, understands, and
practices the values of the Girl Scout mission, and has contributed to the
growth and strength of Girl Scouts of Eastern Massachusetts through
philanthropy and efforts to preserve its vast Girl Scout history. 

 

If you are interested in the Girl Scouts, contact
 lincolngirlscouts01...@gmail.com
for opportunities to join a troop, become a troop leader or even help with
coordination among troops as Heather Coughlin will be stepping down as the
Service Unit Coordinator this summer. 

 

 

 

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Corrected - Trail Use Proposal - not too late to postpone and impact on walkers and nature

[Ginger Reiner]

>
> The horses meets cyclist issue is a tad more complicated but there must be
> a solution.


This is one model for how horses, bikers and walkers can share the same
trails, focusing on education and encouragement of courteous and safe
behavior:  https://safetrailsmarin.org/

I think the 5-minute video on the front page is worth watching.

On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 9:03 PM Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln <
lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:

> The horses meets cyclist issue is a tad more complicated but there must be
> a solution.
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
>
> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 8:45 PM, Scott Clary 
> wrote:
>
>
> Mountain bikes are designed for trail and off road. I only ride a mountain
> bike and love the trails and nature. They are exillerating.
>
> Sidewalks and roads are dangerous as they are full of traffic and
> pedestrians. And not to mention pavement really hurts when you go down.
>
> How about everyone gets along and is respectful of one another and their
> use of our trail system - use common sense, be courteous - stay on the
> trail, yield to hikers and horses.
>
> There should not be all of this animosity and contentiousness.
>
> Just one mountain bikers opinion.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Scott Clary
> 617-968-5769
>
> Sent from a mobile device - please excuse typos and errors
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022, 4:56 PM Jennifer Goodman 
> wrote:
>
> No one’s arguing whether bikes should exist in our town. But Amsterdam is
> a city. Mt Misery is the woods. Let’s keep bikes on sidewalks and roads, as
> they are in Boston. It does feel dangerous to me to have them on the
> trails. When I’m walking with bikes around, I hear the ‘on your left’ about
> a nanosecond before they are on top of me, and it's impossible to react in
> time. In what way is this an improvement? And will all the dogs at Mt
> Misery react fast enough, or in the right direction to get out of the way?
> Sounds like a mess waiting to happen. Especially if it’s “mostly kids." And
> I thought the ticks were the biggest challenge about a walk at Mt Misery.
> Well, maybe it’s aptly named after all?
>
> On Jun 1, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Margaret Olson 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Doug - that's a great reminder that what we're talking about when
> it comes to bikes on trails in Lincoln in 2022 is mostly kids with some
> adults on errands and short casual trips. The serious mountain bikers
> aren't interested. I'm guessing, but this is probably why our neighboring
> towns have no problems; their trails aren't any more compelling to an adult
> than ours are.
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 4:00 PM Doug Carson  wrote:
>
> I think Margaret makes some great points here...
>
> Not only was Lincoln Guide Service attracting cyclists to Lincoln, but
> mountain biking was a relatively new sport in the 90s.  Boston folks were
> coming to the Lincoln trails to *try* mountain biking.  Those days are long
> gone...not because bikes are banned from most of our trails (as Margaret
> points out, Weston & Concord permit bikes on trails, yet they're not
> overrun with riders)...but because the sport has grown up.  And as lovely
> as our trails are, they are not much of a mountain biking destination
> anymore.  There are far too many better destinations that attract Boston
> mountain bikers.
> As our town thinks about this issue, let's keep in mind that with
> increasing traffic and gas prices, and of course the environmental issues,
> the more cars off the road, the better.  Now imagine you can avoid one more
> drive to the post office, school, the library, Donelans, etc. because you
> could now use a mix of roads AND trails to get around town...I believe that
> would be a more desirable place to live.
> There are growing pains with any change (and rude people wherever you
> go).  I recall visiting Amsterdam a few years ago with all the people
> biking everywhere there; I almost got run over on several occasions!  But
> as a pedestrian there, I quickly figured out how to navigate.  Point being
> that even good change takes some time to get used to it!
>
> Doug Carson
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 01:34:17 PM EDT, Margaret Olson <
> marga...@margaretolson.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'd like to remind everyone that bikes are permitted on the Weston and
> Concord town trails with no adverse effects that this regular walker (24
> years) can detect. Nor have I heard that there are problems on those
> trails. I am often on the Weston trails as I live near them.
>
> Twenty five years ago the Lincoln Guide Service did create a problem on
> the trails - but it is long gone.
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:07 PM Barbara Peskin  wrote:
>
> *Correction - 8 miles to 19...*
>
> Hi Lincoln Talk,
> I haven't had a chance to read all the comments but I know people have
> mentioned that the Conservation Commission is meeting tonight and vote on
> whether to enact proposed changes to trail use that include going from 8 to
> 19 miles of trails for 

Re: [LincolnTalk] Corrected - Trail Use Proposal - not too late to postpone and impact on walkers and nature

[Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln]

Thank you Ginger!
This is a fantastic video as a jumping off  point for establishing a “Gold” 
standard for shared trails use for all!!
Please everyone, watch this!!! 
Joanna 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 10:18 PM, Ginger Reiner  
wrote:


The horses meets cyclist issue is a tad more complicated but there must be a 
solution. 

This is one model for how horses, bikers and walkers can share the same trails, 
focusing on education and encouragement of courteous and safe behavior:  
https://safetrailsmarin.org/
I think the 5-minute video on the front page is worth watching.
On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 9:03 PM Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
 wrote:

The horses meets cyclist issue is a tad more complicated but there must be a 
solution. 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 8:45 PM, Scott Clary  wrote:


Mountain bikes are designed for trail and off road. I only ride a mountain bike 
and love the trails and nature. They are exillerating.
Sidewalks and roads are dangerous as they are full of traffic and pedestrians. 
And not to mention pavement really hurts when you go down.
How about everyone gets along and is respectful of one another and their use of 
our trail system - use common sense, be courteous - stay on the trail, yield to 
hikers and horses.
There should not be all of this animosity and contentiousness.
Just one mountain bikers opinion.
Kind Regards,

Scott Clary
617-968-5769

Sent from a mobile device - please excuse typos and errors    
On Wed, Jun 1, 2022, 4:56 PM Jennifer Goodman  wrote:

No one’s arguing whether bikes should exist in our town. But Amsterdam is a 
city. Mt Misery is the woods. Let’s keep bikes on sidewalks and roads, as they 
are in Boston. It does feel dangerous to me to have them on the trails. When 
I’m walking with bikes around, I hear the ‘on your left’ about a nanosecond 
before they are on top of me, and it's impossible to react in time. In what way 
is this an improvement? And will all the dogs at Mt Misery react fast enough, 
or in the right direction to get out of the way? Sounds like a mess waiting to 
happen. Especially if it’s “mostly kids." And I thought the ticks were the 
biggest challenge about a walk at Mt Misery. Well, maybe it’s aptly named after 
all?


On Jun 1, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Margaret Olson  wrote:
Thanks Doug - that's a great reminder that what we're talking about when it 
comes to bikes on trails in Lincoln in 2022 is mostly kids with some adults on 
errands and short casual trips. The serious mountain bikers aren't interested. 
I'm guessing, but this is probably why our neighboring towns have no problems; 
their trails aren't any more compelling to an adult than ours are.

On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 4:00 PM Doug Carson  wrote:

 I think Margaret makes some great points here...
Not only was Lincoln Guide Service attracting cyclists to Lincoln, but mountain 
biking was a relatively new sport in the 90s.  Boston folks were coming to the 
Lincoln trails to *try* mountain biking.  Those days are long gone...not 
because bikes are banned from most of our trails (as Margaret points out, 
Weston & Concord permit bikes on trails, yet they're not overrun with 
riders)...but because the sport has grown up.  And as lovely as our trails are, 
they are not much of a mountain biking destination anymore.  There are far too 
many better destinations that attract Boston mountain bikers.As our town thinks 
about this issue, let's keep in mind that with increasing traffic and gas 
prices, and of course the environmental issues, the more cars off the road, the 
better.  Now imagine you can avoid one more drive to the post office, school, 
the library, Donelans, etc. because you could now use a mix of roads AND trails 
to get around town...I believe that would be a more desirable place to 
live.There are growing pains with any change (and rude people wherever you go). 
 I recall visiting Amsterdam a few years ago with all the people biking 
everywhere there; I almost got run over on several occasions!  But as a 
pedestrian there, I quickly figured out how to navigate.  Point being that even 
good change takes some time to get used to it!
Doug Carson 
On Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 01:34:17 PM EDT, Margaret Olson 
 wrote:  
 
 I'd like to remind everyone that bikes are permitted on the Weston and Concord 
town trails with no adverse effects that this regular walker (24 years) can 
detect. Nor have I heard that there are problems on those trails. I am often on 
the Weston trails as I live near them.

Twenty five years ago the Lincoln Guide Service did create a problem on the 
trails - but it is long gone.

On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:07 PM Barbara Peskin  wrote:

Correction - 8 miles to 19...
Hi Lincoln Talk, I haven't had a chance to read all the comments but I know 
people have mentioned that the Conservation Commission is meeting tonight and 
vote on whether to enact proposed changes to trail use that include going fro

Re: [LincolnTalk] Trail Use Proposed Changes

[Kathy Madison via Lincoln]

I’ve walked our dogs at Mt Misery for the past 25+ years  
One of my dogs loves chasing bikes; so when we're in the off-leash area, I’m 
super careful.
The other dog just is dark and small, and afraid of bikes, and yes, they 
sometimes seem to come out of nowhere.
Certainly it must be fun to ride bikes on trails, and it makes sense that areas 
should be designated for that purpose.
Better signage would be a huge help!
A bike now and then is no big deal; but I can’t imagine a group of bikes.

Also, for getting around town — what about all the bike paths that the town has 
built over the past years ?
I rarely see them used by bike riders…

As a driver, I recognize also the difficulty bike riders have on the roads 
through town — esp on Baker Bridge Road which can be a nightmare.
Perhaps the town has more to consider than just bike traffic on the wooded 
trails…

Kathy Madison





> On Jun 1, 2022, at 9:28 PM, David Giber  wrote:
> 
> Hi 
> I don’t appreciate the characterization of people wanting to keep the trails 
> more for hiking than biking as “entitled”
> It is a reasonable point of view which others can disagree
> I like to bike but would rather keep our trails more for walking
> David Giber 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 1, 2022, at 9:12 PM, Laura Glynn  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I agree with Barbara.  Bikes are dictating changes to the roads and now the 
>> trails.  Please leave the trails to the two footed walkers and four footed 
>> critters.  I have been on trails in places allowing groups of bikers on 
>> trails and walking on those trails becomes perilous and the opposite of 
>> peacefUl.
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:01 PM Barbara Peskin > > wrote:
>> Hi Lincoln Talk, 
>> I haven't had a chance to read all the comments but I know people have 
>> mentioned that the Conservation Commission is meeting tonight to vote on 
>> whether to enact proposed changes to trail use that include going from 8 to 
>> 19 miles of trails for recreational bike use and giving permits to large 
>> bike groups to use the trails and parking areas.
>> 
>> As a 25+ year walker on Lincoln Trails and cherisher of nature on those 
>> walks, my main concern with proposed changes is that it will invite metro 
>> west bike groups to our trails and parking areas. I sent in a detailed 
>> letter and attended both forums. I can't attend tonight but my hope is they 
>> will postpone enacting changes and hear from more walkers and nature 
>> cherishers.
>> 
>> If you would like to get a copy of my letter which is in the public record 
>> I'm happy to share it - it will give you more info. 
>> 
>> I've seen other wonderful arguments and letters asking to keep bike groups 
>> off the trails for a variety of reasons as well. 
>> 
>> I'll close here with the thought that at the last forum one LIncoln biker 
>> said he appreciates nature when biking on the trails alone - unfortunately 
>> the proposed sweeping changes to the trail use all over town is going to 
>> bring in bike groups - it's not about one or two Lincoln bike riders.
>> 
>> Thanks for listening. Please contact me if you would like more thoughts on 
>> this. 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Barbara
>> 
>> -- 
>> ~
>> Barbara Peskin
>> 
>> My Moments in Nature Photo Gallery: barbarapeskin.com 
>> 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Corrected - Trail Use Proposal - not too late to postpone and impact on walkers and nature

[Ryan F. Hagan]

imho, wheels should *always* yield to feet.  Children, families, elders.

Respect pedestrians and wear a helmet.

How often might one encounter an aggressive rider vs an aggressive
pedestrian?

Let’s be considerate and stay safe.  Nature is in no rush and the fresh air
is for all of us to enjoy at every stage in life.

Not to mention … many folks using the trails are active bird watchers of
all ages.  The Mass Audubon remains a long-standing attraction for many of
us here in town and beyond.

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On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 9:03 PM Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln <
lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:

> The horses meets cyclist issue is a tad more complicated but there must be
> a solution.
>
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
>
> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 8:45 PM, Scott Clary 
> wrote:
>
>
> Mountain bikes are designed for trail and off road. I only ride a mountain
> bike and love the trails and nature. They are exillerating.
>
> Sidewalks and roads are dangerous as they are full of traffic and
> pedestrians. And not to mention pavement really hurts when you go down.
>
> How about everyone gets along and is respectful of one another and their
> use of our trail system - use common sense, be courteous - stay on the
> trail, yield to hikers and horses.
>
> There should not be all of this animosity and contentiousness.
>
> Just one mountain bikers opinion.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Scott Clary
> 617-968-5769
>
> Sent from a mobile device - please excuse typos and errors
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022, 4:56 PM Jennifer Goodman 
> wrote:
>
> No one’s arguing whether bikes should exist in our town. But Amsterdam is
> a city. Mt Misery is the woods. Let’s keep bikes on sidewalks and roads, as
> they are in Boston. It does feel dangerous to me to have them on the
> trails. When I’m walking with bikes around, I hear the ‘on your left’ about
> a nanosecond before they are on top of me, and it's impossible to react in
> time. In what way is this an improvement? And will all the dogs at Mt
> Misery react fast enough, or in the right direction to get out of the way?
> Sounds like a mess waiting to happen. Especially if it’s “mostly kids." And
> I thought the ticks were the biggest challenge about a walk at Mt Misery.
> Well, maybe it’s aptly named after all?
>
> On Jun 1, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Margaret Olson 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Doug - that's a great reminder that what we're talking about when
> it comes to bikes on trails in Lincoln in 2022 is mostly kids with some
> adults on errands and short casual trips. The serious mountain bikers
> aren't interested. I'm guessing, but this is probably why our neighboring
> towns have no problems; their trails aren't any more compelling to an adult
> than ours are.
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 4:00 PM Doug Carson  wrote:
>
> I think Margaret makes some great points here...
>
> Not only was Lincoln Guide Service attracting cyclists to Lincoln, but
> mountain biking was a relatively new sport in the 90s.  Boston folks were
> coming to the Lincoln trails to *try* mountain biking.  Those days are long
> gone...not because bikes are banned from most of our trails (as Margaret
> points out, Weston & Concord permit bikes on trails, yet they're not
> overrun with riders)...but because the sport has grown up.  And as lovely
> as our trails are, they are not much of a mountain biking destination
> anymore.  There are far too many better destinations that attract Boston
> mountain bikers.
> As our town thinks about this issue, let's keep in mind that with
> increasing traffic and gas prices, and of course the environmental issues,
> the more cars off the road, the better.  Now imagine you can avoid one more
> drive to the post office, school, the library, Donelans, etc. because you
> could now use a mix of roads AND trails to get around town...I believe that
> would be a more desirable place to live.
> There are growing pains with any change (and rude people wherever you
> go).  I recall visiting Amsterdam a few years ago with all the people
> biking everywhere there; I almost got run over on several occasions!  But
> as a pedestrian there, I quickly figured out how to navigate.  Point being
> that even good change takes some time to get used to it!
>
> Doug Carson
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 01:34:17 PM EDT, Margaret Olson <
> marga...@margaretolson.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'd like to remind everyone that bikes are permitted on the Weston and
> Concord town trails with no adverse effects that this regular walker (24
> years) can detect. Nor have I heard that there are problems on those
> trails. I am often on the Weston trails as I live near them.
>
> Twenty five years ago the Lincoln Guide Service did create a problem on
> the trails - but it is long gone.
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:07 PM Barbara Peskin  wrote:
>
> *Correction - 8 miles to 19...*
>
> Hi Lincoln Talk,
> I haven't had a chance to read all the comments but I know people have
> mentioned