Graphical markup between objects?
I would like to draw lines between fingerings to indicate shifts, pivots, etc.
on an unfretted string instrument.
Say I have something like the following:
\version "2.24.3"
\relative c' {
c4-1 d-2
}
I would like to produce something similar to the following:
[image.png]
I know that this is achievable using markup and \draw-line as specified
[here](https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.23/Documentation/notation/graphic), but as
changes are made to my project and the spacing between notes changes, I’d have
to go back and manually tweak all of the coordinates for all of the lines in
the project, and there will be quite a few. I also need notation like this:
[image.png]
indicating a “fork”, or the use of two different fingers across strings at the
same “fret”. Is attaching lines like this a supported feature at the moment,
and if not, does anyone have any ideas on what writing scripts to support this
behavior would look like?
-fennel
Re: Graphical markup between objects?
Hi Kieren,
Yes, this is a good start! I’d like the fingerings to be engraved as they would
if they were actual fingering objects. For example, the desired result for the
following snippet would ideally look like below:
\version "2.24.3"
\relative c' {
c-1 d''-2
}
[image.png]
instead of being displayed purely horizontally as a TextSpanner would.
-fennel
On Tuesday, May 28th, 2024 at 2:35 PM, Kieren MacMillan
kie...@kierenmacmillan.info wrote:
> Hi Fennel,
>
>> I would like to draw lines between fingerings to indicate shifts, pivots,
>> etc. on an unfretted string instrument.
>> Say I have something like the following:
>> \version "2.24.3"
>> \relative c' {
>> c4-1 d-2
>> }
>>
>> I would like to produce something similar to the following:
>>
>> I know that this is achievable using markup and \draw-line as specified
>> here, but as changes are made to my project and the spacing between notes
>> changes, I’d have to go back and manually tweak all of the coordinates for
>> all of the lines in the project, and there will be quite a few.
>
> Maybe this will point you in the right direction?
>
> %%% SNIPPET BEGINS
> \version "2.25.11"
>
> oneTotwo = \relative c' {
> \once \override TextSpanner.style = #'line
> \once \override TextSpanner.thickness = #2
> \once \override TextSpanner.bound-details.left.stencil-align-dir-y = #CENTER
> \once \override TextSpanner.bound-details.right.stencil-align-dir-y = #CENTER
> \once \override TextSpanner.bound-details.left.text = \markup \fontsize #-3
> \concat { \number "1" \hspace #0.2 }
> \once \override TextSpanner.bound-details.right.text = \markup \fontsize #-3
> \concat { \hspace #0.2 \number "2" }
> c4\startTextSpan d\stopTextSpan
> }
>
> \score { \oneTotwo }
>
> \score {
> \oneTotwo
> \layout { ragged-right = ##f }
> }
> %%% SNIPPET ENDS
>
> You’d probably want to build a music function to wrap all that stuff so you’d
> just have to write
>
> \fingspan #'(1 2)
>
> or some such thing.
>
> Hope that helps!
> Kieren.
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>
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Re: Graphical markup between objects?
Ooh ooh ooh! This is exactly what I was looking for! I was unaware that this existed; I would have never thought to look for glide. Thank you -fennel
Re: Graphical markup between objects?
I was looking for something like "shift line" or "line between fingerings", the latter of which seems to point to the correct page. -fennel
Re: autocompletion with vim
The plugin that Kenneth mentions (which I am also using at the moment) is rather quite broken as far as Emacs or Frescobaldi-style autocompletion is concerned. [nvim-lilypond-suite](https://github.com/martineausimon/nvim-lilypond-suite) strongly recommends the use of `coc.nvim`, which is not as performant as non JS-based completion engines like cmp-nvim. The plugin author makes available a path to working autocomplete via the provided dictionary files that come bundled with Lilypond, but in order to make that work with `nvim-cmp`, an additional plugin must be used to integrate dictionary files as a completion source. AFAIK, [cmp-dictionary](https://github.com/uga-rosa/cmp-dictionary) is the only plugin that provides this functionality, and it is archived/not being developed, and it is broken. I cannot get it to load without throwing an error. I really don't feel like asking us to use TabNine as a suitable autocomplete engine is really the solution, especially because it's not very great at handling specialized languages like LilyPond. I also don't feel like moving all of my completion configuration over to `coc.nvim` is really something that makes sense for one language out of many that I write in my vim config. I'm kind of at a loss for what I can use in vim to get proper autocomplete working other than fix the broken archived plugin myself, which I'm not exactly trying to do at the moment. - Fennel publickey - fennel@everwild.dev - 0x1FA97B0B.asc Description: application/pgp-keys
Adjust analysis bracket continuations?
I’m using analysis brackets as shown in the snippet below:
\version "2.24.3"
\layout {
\context { \Voice \consists Horizontal_bracket_engraver } }
\relative c' {c1 \startGroup | \break
c1 \stopGroup
}
which produces the following output:
[image.png]
I would like for the bracket continuation in bar 2 to begin after the bar
number, clef, key, and time signature information at the start of the staff. I
found break-overshoot on [this reference
page](https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.25/Documentation/internals/horizontalbracket)
which seems to suggest that it’s what I’m looking for:
> A pair of numbers specifying how much a broken spanner sticks out of its
> bounds horizontally on the broken side(s). For broken beams and broken tuplet
> brackets, the bounds are given by the prefatory matter on the left and/or the
> rightmost column on the right. For broken horizontal brackets, the bounds are
> the leftmost and/or rightmost column; for broken measure spanners, the left
> and/or right edge of the staff.
Here is the result when that option is applied:
\version "2.24.3"
\layout {
\context {
\Voice
\consists Horizontal_bracket_engraver
\override HorizontalBracket.break-overshoot = #'(5 . 5)
}
}
\relative c' {c1\startGroup | \break
c1\stopGroup}
[image.png]
largely unchanged. What should I do?
Fennel
Re: autocompletion with vim
It seems like cmp-dictionary doesn’t play nice with oil.nvim, and I am not removing that to make this work unfortunately. Here’s a stack trace if you’re interested: Error executing luv callback: ...vim/lazy/cmp-dictionary/lua/cmp_dictionary/dict/trie.lua:43: bad argument #1 to 'decode' (string expect ed, got nil) stack traceback: [C]: in function 'decode' ...vim/lazy/cmp-dictionary/lua/cmp_dictionary/dict/trie.lua:43: in function <...vim/lazy/cmp-dicti onary/lua/cmp_dictionary/dict/trie.lua:42> [C]: in function 'nvim_buf_delete' .../fennel/.local/share/nvim/lazy/oil.nvim/lua/oil/util.lua:159: in function 'rename_buffer' .../fennel/.local/share/nvim/lazy/oil.nvim/lua/oil/init.lua:746: in function 'maybe_hijack_directo ry_buffer' .../fennel/.local/share/nvim/lazy/oil.nvim/lua/oil/init.lua:1265: in function 'setup' /home/fennel/.config/nvim/init.lua:209: in main chunk if you have any suggestions, I’d love to hear them! This has been very frustrating for me. Fennel
Spanner start and end in different voices or hack
I have this snippet:
\version "2.24.3"
\layout {
\context { \Voice
\consists Horizontal_bracket_engraver
}
}
\relative c'' {
a8 a b\startGroup b\stopGroup << {c4 d} \\ {a2} >>
}
[image.png]
I’d like for the bracket to extend to the end of the bar. Of course the “simple
solution” a8 a b\startGroup b << {c4 d\stopGroup} \\ {a2} >> or in the other
voice compiles but throws a warning and fails to produce the correct output
because the start and stop are scoped differently. I include the beams on the
first 2 beats because the project I’m working on requires that beam remain
intact and have correct stem direction. If at all possible, keeping the first
half of the bar in the single outer voice would be fantastic. Is there a way
around the voice problem or a way to tweak the length of the spanner beyond the
specified endpoint?
Fennel
Re: autocompletion with vim
Okay, managed to get the configuration working (making sure that your paths are specified correctly helps!) but now that I have completion I get the following every time I select a result: Error executing vim.schedule lua callback: ...lar/neovim/0.10.0/share/nvim/runtime/lua/vim/_system.lua:244: ENOENT: no such file or directory stack traceback: [C]: in function 'error' ...lar/neovim/0.10.0/share/nvim/runtime/lua/vim_system.lua:244: in function 'spawn' ...lar/neovim/0.10.0/share/nvim/runtime/lua/vim_system.lua:335: in function 'system' ...are/nvim/lazy/cmp-dictionary/lua/cmp_dictionary/util.lua:7: in function 'system' ...e/nvim/lazy/cmp-dictionary/lua/cmp_dictionary/source.lua:100: in function 'resolve' ...ennel/.local/share/nvim/lazy/nvim-cmp/lua/cmp/source.lua:384: in function 'resolve' ...fennel/.local/share/nvim/lazy/nvim-cmp/lua/cmp/entry.lua:505: in function 'resolve' .../fennel/.local/share/nvim/lazy/nvim-cmp/lua/cmp/view.lua:287: in function 'fn' .../.local/share/nvim/lazy/nvim-cmp/lua/cmp/utils/async.lua:71: in function <.../.local/share/nvim/lazy/nvim-cmp/lua/cmp/utils/async.lua:69 I’ll throw my [current neovim config](https://gist.github.com/fenneltheloon/6703a17e584ec61958b6e0a61920e12a) in here as I’m rather confused as to why this is being such a pain. Fennel
Adjust line spacing in markup column for fingerings
Hi all,
Getting this behavior when trying to put fingerings in column format on chords:
\version "2.24.3"
\relative c'' {
\set fingeringOrientations = #'(left)
}
I’d like the 1 to be much closer to the 2. Does anyone know the correct
property to adjust to make this happen / where in the docs should I be looking
as my current efforts are not going too well.
-Fennel
Re: Graphical markup between objects?
Wondering if it's possible to override the behavior of the glide line such that the glide will draw to the next fingering regardless of what the second number is. - Fennel On Thursday, May 30th, 2024 at 12:28 AM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > > > I was looking for something like "shift line" or "line between > > fingerings", the latter of which seems to point to the correct page. > > > https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/merge_requests/2357 > > > Werner
Vertically align objects of same class?
I have a bunch of objects of the same type that I’d like to all be aligned to
the same Y-level on a per staff basis.
Here’s an example:
\version "2.24.3"
\relative c'' {
c_"I" c'_"II" c,,_"III" c'_"IV"\break
g_"A" g'_"B" g,,_"C" g'_"D"
}
I would like for all of the markup objects on each staff to align with the
lowest default placement, so in this example in the first staff all text would
vertically align with the “III” and in the second staff all test would
vertically align with the “C”. I know that lyricMode would work well in this
example, but I would also like to do the same thing with HorizontalBrackets and
I’m mainly using this for string indications which do not appear on every note,
making lyricmode somewhat of a pain to use in this scenario.
-Fennel
Re: Graphical markup between objects?
Thanks. As far as the "fork" style is concerned, Aaron, your example is great! Learning a lot :) It seems like it would be great if the stencil that you've made could be wrapped into the style property, as that's what Lilypond seems to want the user-settable property. The [documentation page](https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.24/Documentation/internals/fingerglidespanner) suggests that valid styles depend on valid stencils, but I can't seem to find a snippet in LSR showing how to actually make that happen. -Fennel
Re: Vertically align objects of same class?
Knute, to your point I think that the Dynamics context, while slightly better than lyricMode for this use case still has a similar issue given that the project I'm working on is of considerable size and would require a significant refactor. Feasible but I'd like to avoid doing this if at all possible. Werner, it seems like I'd have to do trial and error to figure out what the minimum viable staff-padding is for each line and then set it each time. If I calibrate it once for the most extreme staff (the second in the given example), then there will be quite a bit of excess space between the first staff and the line of markup objects. Any change to other objects on the staff after the initial per-staff calibration would also require another calibration of the staff-specific padding value. Is there a way to query the maximum extent of a staff/calculate what the value of the staff padding should be such that all of the objects are vertically aligned? ~Fennel
RE: Vertically align objects of same class?
I wonder if this is hackable if I just duplicate the current staff context as a
dynamic context and then remove all of the markup objects from the staff
context…
~Fennel
On Tuesday, June 25th, 2024 at 12:52 PM, carsonm...@ca.rr.com
wrote:
> Fennel,
>
> Go to:
> https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.24/Documentation/notation/expressive-marks-attached-to-notes#dynamics
>
> And scroll down to “A dynamics context”.
>
> Mark
>
> From: lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org
> On Behalf Of Fennel
> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 9:06 AM
> To: Lilypond-User Mailing List
> Subject: Vertically align objects of same class?
>
> I have a bunch of objects of the same type that I’d like to all be aligned to
> the same Y-level on a per staff basis.
>
> Here’s an example:
>
> \version "2.24.3"
>
> \relative c'' {
>
> c_"I" c'_"II" c,,_"III" c'_"IV"\break
>
> g_"A" g'_"B" g,,_"C" g'_"D"
>
> }
>
> I would like for all of the markup objects on each staff to align with the
> lowest default placement, so in this example in the first staff all text
> would vertically align with the “III” and in the second staff all test would
> vertically align with the “C”. I know that lyricMode would work well in this
> example, but I would also like to do the same thing with HorizontalBrackets
> and I’m mainly using this for string indications which do not appear on every
> note, making lyricmode somewhat of a pain to use in this scenario.
>
> -Fennel
>
>
Tweak size of Script objects
I’d like to adjust the size of certain script marks like trills and bowings relative to the staff size. The [script](https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.25/Documentation/internals/script) class doesn’t seem to let you change the symbol’s size. ~Fennel
Re: autocompletion with vim
Unfortunately, I haven't managed to get this working on neovim v0.10.0 . My guess is that the breaking changes introduced in this version break the archived cmp-dictionary plugin and unless someone forks the project to fix the issues, proper completion in neovim using cmp will be broken for quite a while. I'll keep an ear open in case anything changes, or if you all hear anything please send of course. -Fennel
Re: Vertically align objects of same class?
The dynamics context seems to work well enough for text markup objects. I’d
also like to throw a lot of analysis brackets into a Dynamics context above the
staff with similar output. Here’s what I would imagine working
\version "2.24.3"
\layout {
\context {
\Voice % Or \Dynamics ? There's no mention of a dynamics context on the
relevant doc page.
\consists Horizontal_bracket_engraver
\override HorizontalBracket.direction = #UP
}
}
music = \context Staff \relative c'' {
\repeat unfold 8 {c4}
}
brackets = \context Dynamics {
\override VerticalAxisGroup.staff-affinity = #DOWN
s4 s\startGroup s s\stopGroup | s\startGroup s s\stopGroup s
}
\score { << \music \brackets >> }
[image.png]
This snippet fails to engrave the analysis brackets, as shown. Is it possible
to do so?
-Fennel
Re: Vertically align objects of same class?
Per-system vertical alignment of all horizontal brackets is the goal. This can almost be achieved by adjusting the staff padding property (to a value large enough that no other objects will interfere with the brackets), but then we have the problem of the brackets being too far off of the staff for almost every system. I’ll take a look at what you suggested, Valentin. Hopefully it works for what I need! -Fennel
Re: Vertically align objects of same class?
> So what you’d
> need to do is to replace the skips by notes:
>
> brackets = \new Dynamics {
> \override VerticalAxisGroup.staff-affinity = #DOWN
> c4 c\startGroup c c\stopGroup | c\startGroup c c\stopGroup c
> }
>
> Then this will still not work, as the Dynamics context does not create any
> NoteColumns by default. So you’ll need to add Rhythmic_column_engraver. But to
> actually have something to encompass you’d need to have a stencils, so you’d
> need to also add the Note_heads_engraver.
>
> Then you’d need to get rid of the note heads, but you still need a stencil, so
> do something like
>
> \layout {
> \context {
> \Dynamics
> \consists Horizontal_bracket_engraver
> \override HorizontalBracket.direction = #UP
> \consists Note_heads_engraver
> \consists Rhythmic_column_engraver
>
> \override NoteHead.stencil = #(ly:make-stencil '() '(0 . 0) '(0 . 0))
> }
>
> }
This snippet gives the following output:
[image.png]It seems that the staff-affinity option is being ignored?
-Fennel
>
Re: Vertically align objects of same class?
Valentino,
Your function seems to not work for polyphonic passages as in the example
below. Is there a fix for the function, would using \voiceOne and \voiceTwo
explicitly for this polyphonic context make a difference?
\version "2.24.3"
#(define (outside-staff-collecting-engraver context)
(let* ((span_up #f) (span_down #f))
(make-engraver
((initialize engraver)
(set! span_up (ly:engraver-make-grob engraver 'TextSpanner '()))
(ly:grob-set-property! span_up 'transparent #t)
(ly:grob-set-property! span_up 'direction UP)
(set! span_down (ly:engraver-make-grob engraver 'TextSpanner '()))
(ly:grob-set-property! span_down 'transparent #t)
(ly:grob-set-property! span_down 'direction DOWN))
(acknowledgers
((outside-staff-interface engraver grob source-engraver)
(if (assoc-get 'align (ly:grob-property grob 'details))
(let* ((d (ly:grob-property grob 'direction))
(span (if (= d UP) span_up span_down)))
(ly:grob-set-parent! grob Y span)
(if (null? (ly:spanner-bound span LEFT))
(ly:spanner-set-bound! span LEFT
(if (ly:spanner? grob)
(ly:spanner-bound grob LEFT)
grob)))
(ly:spanner-set-bound! span RIGHT
(if (ly:spanner? grob)
(ly:spanner-bound grob LEFT)
grob))
(ly:grob-set-property! grob 'outside-staff-priority #f)
(ly:grob-set-property! grob 'Y-offset 0
\layout {
\context {
\Staff
\consists #outside-staff-collecting-engraver
}
\context {
\Voice
\consists Horizontal_bracket_engraver
\override HorizontalBracket.direction = #UP
}
}
\relative c {
\override HorizontalBracket.details.align = ##t
<< {
<< {
c\startTextSpan c c c\stopTextSpan |
} \\ {
g g g g |
}
a a a a
>> } >>
{ s\startGroup s s s\stopGroup | s s s s }
}
-Fennel
Re: Vertically align objects of same class?
Any ideas as to why the staff-affinity option is being ignored here?
\layout {
\context {
\Dynamics
\consists Horizontal_bracket_engraver
\override HorizontalBracket.direction = #UP
\consists Note_heads_engraver
\consists Rhythmic_column_engraver
\override NoteHead.stencil = #(ly:make-stencil '() '(0 . 0) '(0 . 0))
}
}
brackets = \new Dynamics {
\override VerticalAxisGroup.staff-affinity = #DOWN
c4 c\startGroup c c\stopGroup | c\startGroup c c\stopGroup c
}
Produced output:
[image.png]
Setting staff-affinity = #DOWN should mean that the brackets appear above the
staff instead of below, right?
-Fennel
Re: Graphical markup between objects?
Hi all, Fixed the fork objects such that they correctly render the apex of the fork halfway on the part of the two fingerings. Check it out! -Fennel On Tuesday, June 25th, 2024 at 12:34 PM, Fennel wrote: > Thanks. As far as the "fork" style is concerned, Aaron, your example is > great! Learning a lot :) > > It seems like it would be great if the stencil that you've made could be > wrapped into the style property, as that's what Lilypond seems to want the > user-settable property. The [documentation > page](https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.24/Documentation/internals/fingerglidespanner) > suggests that valid styles depend on valid stencils, but I can't seem to > find a snippet in LSR showing how to actually make that happen. > > -Fennel test.ly Description: Binary data test.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document
Multiple fingering and glides
Hi all, I'm working on a project that involves multiple fingerings for each note, and shift lines or glides between some notes. Since lilypond will only engrave glides between notes with the same fingering, I'm using finger 5 to be the placeholder fingering and overriding the Fingering text property to the desired value. Can anyone say why this is producing the attached output? There are two main issues. 1. The glide line is engraving not as expected. I'd like it to run from the first "5" to the next (adjacent) "5", and I don't have a clue as to why it is behaving the way that it does. 1. The \once text override is applying to the entire NoteEvent, not the next Fingering, which is the intended behavior. Is there a workaround for this? -Fennel test_fingering.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document test_fingering.ly Description: Binary data
Re: Multiple fingering and glides
Multiple fingerings are being used because I'm working on a heavily annotated edition of a work that suggests multiple sets of fingerings for a single passage. I'm currently choosing to engrave harmonic symbols (the flageolets) as fingering objects as well because I need them to behave like fingering objects instead of script objects. I will open an issue! Though I fear the solution for me right now will be monkeying around in an SVG editor to make the notation. -Fennel
Change size of note object in markup
I have a note object in markup, like so:
\version "2.24.4"
\markup { "blah blah" \note {2} #1 "blah blah" }
I’d like the note to be a bit smaller relative to the text. How do I do this?
Fennel
