Re: Cut and paste from manual returns errors

[David Kastrup]

ed shaw  writes:

> Produce Inkscape svg.
> Open in Gimp. Increase default resolution as needed. Default is 72. (Below
> Print Standard)
> I used 200. Save as .png.

Why would you do that if you had working SVG already?

> Import into Inkscape and resize or create oversize document.

That makes no sense.

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Re: Editors

[Urs Liska]

Am 25.06.2013 08:29, schrieb Philippe de Rochambeau:

In the Mac version of Lilypond, is there a way to:

- prevent the application from creating a new file each time it is run

Sorry, I don't really understand what you mean.


- use an editor (eg, BBEdit) other than the default one
You can use _any_ text editor to prepare LilyPond input files. But you 
may want to use an editor with better editing support.

See http://www.lilypond.org/easier-editing.html
I highly recommend Frescobaldi ( http://www.frescobaldi.org/), although 
it seems somewhat complicated to install on Mac (see 
https://github.com/wbsoft/frescobaldi/wiki/Frescobaldi-Mac-OS-X-install-guide 
as a community effort).


HTH
Urs


Many thanks

pr



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Re: Editors

[flup2]

Hello,

Any editor that can run command line programs can be used for lilypond:
BBEdit (and his little brother TexrWrangler), TeXShop etc.

Nicola Vitacolonna made some scripts to run lilypond with these: 
http://users.dimi.uniud.it/~nicola.vitacolonna/home/software
  

Philippe



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Re: Editors

[phiroc]

Hi,

every time you double-click Lilypond for Mac, it create a new .ly file.

I would just like to disable that.

Philippe



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Am 25.06.2013 08:29, schrieb Philippe de Rochambeau: 


In the Mac version of Lilypond, is there a way to:

- prevent the application from creating a new file each time it is run Sorry, I 
don't really understand what you mean. 


- use an editor (eg, BBEdit) other than the default one You can use _any_ text 
editor to prepare LilyPond input files. But you may want to use an editor with 
better editing support. 
See http://www.lilypond.org/easier-editing.html 
I highly recommend Frescobaldi ( http://www.frescobaldi.org/ ), although it 
seems somewhat complicated to install on Mac (see 
https://github.com/wbsoft/frescobaldi/wiki/Frescobaldi-Mac-OS-X-install-guide 
as a community effort). 

HTH 
Urs 


Many thanks

pr



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Re: Editors

[Urs Liska]

Am 25.06.2013 09:29, schrieb phi...@free.fr:

Hi,

every time you double-click Lilypond for Mac, it create a new .ly file.

Ah, OK.

I would just like to disable that.

I don't know, but if you use another editor you won't have that anymore?

Urs


Philippe



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Objet: Re: Editors



Am 25.06.2013 08:29, schrieb Philippe de Rochambeau:


In the Mac version of Lilypond, is there a way to:

- prevent the application from creating a new file each time it is run Sorry, I 
don't really understand what you mean.


- use an editor (eg, BBEdit) other than the default one You can use _any_ text 
editor to prepare LilyPond input files. But you may want to use an editor with 
better editing support.
See http://www.lilypond.org/easier-editing.html
I highly recommend Frescobaldi ( http://www.frescobaldi.org/ ), although it 
seems somewhat complicated to install on Mac (see 
https://github.com/wbsoft/frescobaldi/wiki/Frescobaldi-Mac-OS-X-install-guide 
as a community effort).

HTH
Urs


Many thanks

pr



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Re: lilypond presentation

[Janek Warchoł]

2013/6/24 Karl Hammar 
>
> Janek:
> > 2013/6/24 Karl Hammar 
> > >
> > > Janek:
> > > > 2013/6/24 Karl Hammar :
> > > > > Hello all,
> > > > > are there any lilypond presentations available I could use this week
> > > > > when presenting lilypond for a few musicians here at Uppsala 
> > > > > Cathedral.
> > > >
> > > > What kind of presentation are you looking for?  I mean, in-depth stuff
> > > > showing how lilypond works inside or something like "look, Finale
> > > > produces ugly notation and LilyPond is better!"?
> > >
> > > Something so that people sees its value and and starts asking
> > > questions.
> >
> > Excellent!  Here are some resources:
>
> > - slideshow i used for a 5-min "flash talk" about music engraving.
> > It's in Polish, but i think images will give you some inspiration:
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/dpz7ius7pk1nqx5/2013.04%20-%20sk%C5%82ad%20nut%20%28flaszki%208.1%29.pdf
>
> Page 5-19 of the above looks bad, are you using bitmaps or what?

yeah, i was doing this fast and used wrong rasterization settings.

> > - some "lilypond vs something else" comparisons, intended to show that
> > typesetting really matters, and that LilyPond fares well here:
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/mgzcnr7bhmnl72x/engraving%20comparisons.zip
> > (in polish again, but if you like them, i'll do a quick-and-dirty
> > translation)
>
>  Eja Finale - wyci?ta 3cia strona.pdf
>
> shows a lot of flaws with finale, but there are nothing to compare
> with.

indeed.  Here's Lilypond version made by me:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xjrin3j51cvffbo/Eja%2C%20Mater%20%28LilyPond%29.pdf

>  Eja Mater porównanie.pdf
>
> looks useful but a little short.

Man, you have high requirements ;-)  This is just the "introduction"
to the colored one.

> I will probably not have time to show comparisions.

Just print a few (dozens :P) and give them away.  From my experience
people are usually impressed after they read them.

> > - tell them about crowd-engraving
> > (https://lilypondblog.wordpress.com/2013/06/04/crowd-engraving-whats-that-part-1/),
> > and show them the score displayed there.  It was created by people
> > with almost 0 experience in music engraving!  (of course, i had to
> > write a skeleton structure first, but that was a one-time job - If
> > you're interested, i can send you that skeleton).
> > - show them the attached score.  It contains very few overrides, and
> > they are very subtle anyway - even the 100% default output looks
> > excellent.
>
> Hmm, very good point, you don't need x number of finale/sibelius/...
> to make a bigger project feasable.

exactly.


2013/6/25 Karl Hammar :
> Janek:
>> 2013/6/24 Janek Warchoł :
>> > - show them the attached score.  It contains very few overrides, and
>> > they are very subtle anyway - even the 100% default output looks
>> > excellent.
>>
>> And another example: a fragment of an excellent engraving of Mozart's
>> Requiem published by Breitkopf in 1952 (peak of traditional engraving)
>> and LilyPond version, which is again virtually untweaked, and looks
>> really similar to Breitkopf:
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/bhycv66tbofcymn/Requiem%20%28Mozart%29.zip
>
> Hmm, you seem to write "Tuis" instead of "tuis" as in the Breitkopf
> edition.

Indeed.  Using capital letter is because of respect (especially since
the words are directed toward God), but apparently this is just a
convention used in Polish language.

> The Breitkops looks like it is easier to read, little bigger text,
> a little more space between coir and klaver staffs. I think I like
> that.

Sure, but the point is that LilyPond's output is nearly 100% default,
and it's already _very similar_.  With nearly 100% default settings,
Finale output would probably be horrible.

> I don't think it helps people to show them the golden standard since
> they don't know what to look for.

That's *precisely* why i give the comparisons mentioned before to
anyone who has at least remote connection with music: show them what
to look for.  Once they read a few such comparisons, they'll start
noticing engraving errors in Finale-made scores and then they'll look
at LilyPond and say "hey, that's *really* interesting!".

> I think I'll stick to plan a,
> showcase + easy examples they can manage themselves.

do as you wish :) just keep in mind that oversimplifying the examples
/may/ give them the idea that Lilypond is only suitable to easy tasks,
which is totally false.

best,
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Re: Editors

[Tim McNamara]

Aarrgh, I forgot to send this to the list.  I will never get used to the goofy 
way in which the LilyPond mailing list operates, not having the Reply-To header 
set to the list.  It is the only mailing list I have ever been part of that 
doesn't have this as the default.



On Jun 25, 2013, at 8:10 AM, Tim McNamara wrote:
> On Jun 25, 2013, at 1:29 AM, Philippe de Rochambeau wrote:
>> In the Mac version of Lilypond, is there a way to:
>> 
>> - prevent the application from creating a new file each time it is run
> 
> You don't have to double click LilyPond.  In fact it is not really meant to 
> be double clicked and launched.  It is meant to be called by another 
> application (a text editor) and to run silently in the background.  Just put 
> it in your Applications folder and leave it sit there.
> 
>> - use an editor (eg, BBEdit) other than the default one 
> 
> You can use any text editor you want.  Some are easier to use with LilyPond 
> than others.
> 
> Frescobaldi is specifically designed to use with LilyPond but installation on 
> a Mac is kind of a pain.  There is work being done to make this easier (e.g., 
> using MacPorts).  It is probably the most complete editing option available.  
> I haven't been able to get it to work correctly, however, even following all 
> the steps listed in the installation instructions already mentioned.  The 
> Poppler module is stubbornly recalcitrant.  The Poppler module should simply 
> be unnecessary in the Mac ecosystem anyway, but it is what it is.
> 
> TextWrangler may be used with an AppleScript written by Nicola, which someone 
> else has already mentioned.  I have used this one a lot.  If you prefer a 
> different text editor, you could probably use Nicola's scripts as a template 
> and modify them for another text editor.  
> 
> You may use Emacs, which has a LilyPond mode built in.  AquaMacs is a 
> Mac-ified version of Emacs that is easier to use, although I find myself 
> preferring the plain Emacs for some reason.
> 
> Smultron (or Fraise, which is based on Smultron) can be easily used with 
> LilyPond.  You can set up a menu command to send the .ly file to LilyPond for 
> processing.
> 
> I was kindly sent a very compact, very simple editor named LilyEditor 0.6 by 
> a list member which works very well and is my main editor for .ly files.  It 
> has a two pane view with the .ly code in one pane and the rendered music in 
> another pane.  I can't remember who sent it to me, there is no developer 
> information in the About... window.  I didn't save the e-mail apparently and 
> I don't know if I have permission to redistribute it.  It is tiny, 504KB, and 
> IMHO ought to replace the default editor that comes with the Mac version. It 
> is very basic without the bells and whistles of Frescobaldi but it does the 
> important job well.  Perhaps the developer of this app will speak up.
> 
> Tim
> 
> 



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Re: Editors

[Jan Nieuwenhuizen]

Tim McNamara writes:

> Aarrgh, I forgot to send this to the list.  I will never get used to
> the goofy way in which the LilyPond mailing list operates, not having
> the Reply-To header set to the list.  It is the only mailing list I
> have ever been part of that doesn't have this as the default.

http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

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Re: Cut and paste from manual returns errors

[ed shaw]

Sorry, syntax error.
"Produce document in Inkscape is the header. Instructions, followed. 
In other words, construct document in Inkscape from elements produced
in Gimp. 



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Re: Editors

[Tim Slattery]

Jan Nieuwenhuizen  wrote:

>Tim McNamara writes:
>
>> Aarrgh, I forgot to send this to the list.  I will never get used to
>> the goofy way in which the LilyPond mailing list operates, not having
>> the Reply-To header set to the list.  It is the only mailing list I
>> have ever been part of that doesn't have this as the default.
>
>http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

Elm, which this guy loves, is an ancient, text-based email client. 

>Reply-To munging does not benefit the user with a reasonable mailer. 
>People want to munge Reply-To headers to make "reply back to the 
>list" easy. But it already is easy. Reasonable mail programs have 
>two separate "reply" commands: one that replies directly to the author 
>of a message, and another that replies to the author plus all of the 
>list recipients.

I have *never* seen "reply to group" in any client I've worked with.

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Re: Editors

[David Kastrup]

Tim Slattery  writes:

> Jan Nieuwenhuizen  wrote:
>
>>Tim McNamara writes:
>>
>>> Aarrgh, I forgot to send this to the list.  I will never get used to
>>> the goofy way in which the LilyPond mailing list operates, not having
>>> the Reply-To header set to the list.  It is the only mailing list I
>>> have ever been part of that doesn't have this as the default.
>>
>>http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
>
> Elm, which this guy loves, is an ancient, text-based email client. 
>
>>Reply-To munging does not benefit the user with a reasonable mailer. 
>>People want to munge Reply-To headers to make "reply back to the 
>>list" easy. But it already is easy. Reasonable mail programs have 
>>two separate "reply" commands: one that replies directly to the author 
>>of a message, and another that replies to the author plus all of the 
>>list recipients.
>
> I have *never* seen "reply to group" in any client I've worked with.

It is usually called "Reply All" or "Followup".

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Re: Editors

[Joram Berger]

>> I have *never* seen "reply to group" in any client I've worked with.
> 
> It is usually called "Reply All" or "Followup".
> 


Thunderbird calls it "Reply to mailing list" and it is an alternative
choice to "Reply to sender".

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Re: Editors

[Jan Nieuwenhuizen]

David Kastrup writes:

>> I have *never* seen "reply to group" in any client I've worked with.
>
> It is usually called "Reply All" or "Followup".

And usually invoked by typing F or R :-)

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Re: Editors

[David Kastrup]

Jan Nieuwenhuizen  writes:

> David Kastrup writes:
>
>>> I have *never* seen "reply to group" in any client I've worked with.
>>
>> It is usually called "Reply All" or "Followup".
>
> And usually invoked by typing F or R :-)

You mean F or f (depending on whether you want to quote the original).
R replies to sender if we are talking about Gnus.

But all of those will obey a Reply-To: header if given.  If you want to
bypass the Reply-To: header, you need something like

S B r runs the command gnus-summary-reply-broken-reply-to, which is
an interactive compiled Lisp function in `gnus-msg.el'.

It is bound to S B r.

There is also S W and others...

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Web Server setup

[Carl Peterson]

So I know a hymnal publisher who is wanting to give churches the option of
setting a hymn text to different tunes with the same meter (and of creating
"composite" hymns with verses from different texts set to the same tune).
They used Finale for the actual hymnal (and that isn't likely to change),
but I've suggested using LilyPond to facilitate the preparation of these
composite settings because the text-based nature of LP allows a new source
file to be created programmatically from a repository of texts and tunes
(using variables). The main editor is intrigued by the idea and the
possibilities, so I'd like to be able to show him a mock-up of the system I
have envisioned.

There are a couple of hurdles for me on this. I've suggested a website as
the ideal medium for the system. There are advantages to this, as it allows
for use tracking and easy error correction, if necessary. What I'd like to
do is have the user select some combination of tune and text, hit
"generate," and receive either a PDF or (more likely) a collection of EPS
files to insert into PowerPoint (for which we could write a VBA add-in).
Point of clarification: we would be generating slides for projection, not
loose sheets for adding to hymnals.

I know that there are a number of sites that have some kind of "live" or
"on-the-fly" LP compiling capabilities, and there is a little bit of
information about web server considerations in the Usage manual, but does
anyone have a more step-by-step process anywhere for setting up a web
server to run Lilypond and serve LP output? Is this something that could
potentially done on a hosted server or (as I'm suspecting) is this
something that would pretty much require one's own server? My two main
computers are Mac and Windows machines, but I have an old desktop that (if
I remember correctly) has some kind of Linux (Ubuntu, perhaps) set up on
it, if that's what it's going to take.

Cheers and thanks,
Carl
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How to select condensed style from font family?

[Alexander Kobel]

Dear all,

I often use a condensed font for lyrics, for obvious reasons. It's "ITC 
Garamond by Bitstream" in its condensed variant (for those who have it: 
it's in the CorelDRAW font collection).


The issue of global font change aside, that's how I can use the TrueType 
version of the font:


#(define fonts (make-pango-font-tree
"GarmdITC BkCn BT"
"sans-serif" "monospace" 20)

Now, I (more or less accidentally) installed the Type1 version of the 
same font on another machine, but I'm not able to find out how to select 
the condensed variant.


After some guessing, I found out the following: The TTF claims to come 
in two font families, "GarmdITC Bk BT" and "GarmdITC BkCn BT", for 
normal and condensed. The Type1 advertises itself (somewhat more 
precisely) as just the "ITC Garamond" family, with the distinction of 
condensed as a style.


So `lilypond -dshow-available-fonts x` (and, for what it's woth, 
`fc-list`) show the TTF as


  family GarmdITC Bk BT
GarmdITC Bk BT:style=Book
  family GarmdITC Bk BT
GarmdITC Bk BT:style=Bold
  ...
  family GarmdITC BkCn BT
GarmdITC BkCn BT:style=Book
  family GarmdITC BkCn BT
GarmdITC BkCn BT:style=Bold
  ...

while the Type1 is announced as

  family ITC Garamond
ITC Garamond:style=Book
  family ITC Garamond
ITC Garamond:style=Bold
  ...
  family ITC Garamond
ITC Garamond:style=Book Condensed
  family ITC Garamond
ITC Garamond:style=Bold Condensed
  ...

`fc-match 'ITC Garamond:Book:Condensed'` or `fc-match 'ITC 
Garamond:style=Book Condensed'` return (as I expected)

  Garamdnc.pfb: "ITC Garamond" "Book Condensed"
However, the same strings as arguments of (make-pango-font-tree) don't 
work. I can select "ITC Garamond", but every "add-on" does not change 
the style.
The obvious workaround is to use the TTFs, but somehow I feel that the 
naming scheme used in the Type1s is more elegant. Maybe the clumsy 
declaration in the TTFs is a technical restriction?


Long story short: Does anybody know a way to convince 
(make-pango-font-tree) to select a certain font variant or style from 
the family, or to find out how the string is interpreted? And, in 
particular: why doesn't it match fc-match's match?



Thanks in advance,
Alexander

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Re: Replacement suggestions for Century Schoolbook?

[Joshua Krämer]

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 00:11:41 +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote:

>> This typeface style is known as "Scotch".  A high-quality, free Scotch
>> type-family is "Old Standard". [...]
> 
> [...] Unfortunately, in my opinion it's too thin, so it would need to
> be modified - this would be a nice project, but i don't think we have
> money to spare...

Another possibility is to adjust Computer Modern.  This is comparatively 
easy because it's a parameterized metafont.  I've modified it before by 
altering its parameters, you can see the result here (17 point version):

Original http://i30.tinypic.com/2u7yg6f.png
Modified http://i28.tinypic.com/vecc4x.png

However, I regret I have no time for such a project at the moment.

Kind regards,
Joshua


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Re: lilypond presentation

[Karl Hammar]

Janek:
> 2013/6/24 Karl Hammar 
> > Janek:
> > > 2013/6/24 Karl Hammar 
> > > > Janek:
> > > > > 2013/6/24 Karl Hammar :
> > > > > > Hello all,
> > > > > > are there any lilypond presentations available I could use this week
> > > > > > when presenting lilypond for a few musicians here at Uppsala 
> > > > > > Cathedral.
> > > > >
> > > > > What kind of presentation are you looking for?  I mean, in-depth stuff
> > > > > showing how lilypond works inside or something like "look, Finale
> > > > > produces ugly notation and LilyPond is better!"?
> > > > Something so that people sees its value and and starts asking
> > > > questions.
> > > Excellent!  Here are some resources:
...
> > > - some "lilypond vs something else" comparisons, intended to show that
> > > typesetting really matters, and that LilyPond fares well here:
> > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/mgzcnr7bhmnl72x/engraving%20comparisons.zip
> > > (in polish again, but if you like them, i'll do a quick-and-dirty
> > > translation)
> >
> >  Eja Finale - wyci?ta 3cia strona.pdf
> >
> > shows a lot of flaws with finale, but there are nothing to compare
> > with.
> 
> indeed.  Here's Lilypond version made by me:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/xjrin3j51cvffbo/Eja%2C%20Mater%20%28LilyPond%29.pdf
...
> > I don't think it helps people to show them the golden standard since
> > they don't know what to look for.
> 
> That's *precisely* why i give the comparisons mentioned before to
> anyone who has at least remote connection with music: show them what
> to look for.  Once they read a few such comparisons, they'll start
> noticing engraving errors in Finale-made scores and then they'll look
> at LilyPond and say "hey, that's *really* interesting!".

You have a point.

Ok, I'll hand out the "Eja" score and lilypond dito.
Do you by chance have a plain finale version (not coloured)?
If so I could play "find five errors" with them.

Thanks for the help.

///

I'll have the presentation on friday. It will basically be

 some scores made by me
http://turkos.aspodata.se/noter/
http://turkos.aspodata.se/git/musik/

http://lilypond.org/examples.html

http://lilypond.org/text-input.html

 (or rather page 1 3-9 12 13 20-31 34 39 41 of
 http://lilypond.org/website/pdf/lilypond_lac2013.pdf)

Janeks comparisions

and hopefully inspiring discussions

Regards,
/Karl Hammar

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Re: lilypond presentation

[Urs Liska]

Am 25.06.2013 23:10, schrieb Karl Hammar:



I don't think it helps people to show them the golden standard since
they don't know what to look for.

That's *precisely* why i give the comparisons mentioned before to
anyone who has at least remote connection with music: show them what
to look for.  Once they read a few such comparisons, they'll start
noticing engraving errors in Finale-made scores and then they'll look
at LilyPond and say "hey, that's *really* interesting!".

You have a point.

Ok, I'll hand out the "Eja" score and lilypond dito.
Do you by chance have a plain finale version (not coloured)?
If so I could play "find five errors" with them.

Thanks for the help.



I think _he_ is the one to thank you for the opportunity ;-)

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Re: Editors

[Wim van Dommelen]

On 25 Jun 2013, at 18:39 , Tim Slattery wrote:


http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

A little late but count +1 for me Jan.




Elm, which this guy loves, is an ancient, text-based email client.
Not relevant, the principle holds with all mailers. I use a graphical  
email program and I have two butteons, with -- guess what? --: Reply- 
To and Reply-All  and I do sometimes use the Reply-To on purpose,  
and yes, sometimes erronously. Bad luck, I just correct that and  
apologiese(?)




Regards,
Wim.


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Re: Replacement suggestions for Century Schoolbook?

[Hilary Snaden]

On 24/06/13 03:20, Nick Payne wrote:

On 24/06/13 09:58, Urs Liska wrote:

Am 24.06.2013 00:32, schrieb Nick Payne:

How about considering Gentium Plus once the bold and bold italic faces
are available (at the moment Gentium Plus contains only regular and
italic faces). It's released under the SIL open font license
(http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&id=OFL) and
contains virtually all the characters defined in Unicode 5.1 for Latin
and Cyrillic. See
http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?item_id=Gentium and
http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?item_id=Gentium_Technical.

I've been using Gentium Book Basic in my scores for a while and like
the look of it. It's essentially Gentium with a more limited character
set (only the Basic Latin and Latin-1 Unicode ranges), but it contains
regular, bold, italic, and bold italic faces.


As a reminder: My initial motivation to look for a replacement of the
default font was its wide spacing. I'm looking for a free font that can
achieve tighter spacing in lyrics while being still heavy enough to
complement LilyPond's music font.
I am very fond of Adobe's Minion Pro, especially for its combination of
medium and semibold weights and semicondensed and condensed widths. So
for my personal use I'm quite happy but I'd be even happier when finding
a free font with similar characteristics.


Gentium Book Basic is pretty much the same weight as Lilypond's default
Century Schoolbook, but considerably tighter. Gentium Plus is tighter
again but slightly lighter in weight.


I tried Gentium Book Basic, but after a while something about it 
increasingly irritated me. I've been using Linux Libertine for a couple 
of years or so now and I still like it. :) I very rarely use sans-serif, 
but when I do I use Linux Biolinum.


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Hilary

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