2013/6/24 Karl Hammar <k...@aspodata.se> > > Janek: > > 2013/6/24 Karl Hammar <k...@aspodata.se> > > > > > > Janek: > > > > 2013/6/24 Karl Hammar <k...@aspodata.se>: > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > are there any lilypond presentations available I could use this week > > > > > when presenting lilypond for a few musicians here at Uppsala > > > > > Cathedral. > > > > > > > > What kind of presentation are you looking for? I mean, in-depth stuff > > > > showing how lilypond works inside or something like "look, Finale > > > > produces ugly notation and LilyPond is better!"? > > > > > > Something so that people sees its value and and starts asking > > > questions. > > > > Excellent! Here are some resources: > > > - slideshow i used for a 5-min "flash talk" about music engraving. > > It's in Polish, but i think images will give you some inspiration: > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/dpz7ius7pk1nqx5/2013.04%20-%20sk%C5%82ad%20nut%20%28flaszki%208.1%29.pdf > > Page 5-19 of the above looks bad, are you using bitmaps or what?
yeah, i was doing this fast and used wrong rasterization settings. > > - some "lilypond vs something else" comparisons, intended to show that > > typesetting really matters, and that LilyPond fares well here: > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/mgzcnr7bhmnl72x/engraving%20comparisons.zip > > (in polish again, but if you like them, i'll do a quick-and-dirty > > translation) > > Eja Finale - wyci?ta 3cia strona.pdf > > shows a lot of flaws with finale, but there are nothing to compare > with. indeed. Here's Lilypond version made by me: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xjrin3j51cvffbo/Eja%2C%20Mater%20%28LilyPond%29.pdf > Eja Mater porównanie.pdf > > looks useful but a little short. Man, you have high requirements ;-) This is just the "introduction" to the colored one. > I will probably not have time to show comparisions. Just print a few (dozens :P) and give them away. From my experience people are usually impressed after they read them. > > - tell them about crowd-engraving > > (https://lilypondblog.wordpress.com/2013/06/04/crowd-engraving-whats-that-part-1/), > > and show them the score displayed there. It was created by people > > with almost 0 experience in music engraving! (of course, i had to > > write a skeleton structure first, but that was a one-time job - If > > you're interested, i can send you that skeleton). > > - show them the attached score. It contains very few overrides, and > > they are very subtle anyway - even the 100% default output looks > > excellent. > > Hmm, very good point, you don't need x number of finale/sibelius/... > to make a bigger project feasable. exactly. 2013/6/25 Karl Hammar <k...@aspodata.se>: > Janek: >> 2013/6/24 Janek Warchoł <janek.lilyp...@gmail.com>: >> > - show them the attached score. It contains very few overrides, and >> > they are very subtle anyway - even the 100% default output looks >> > excellent. >> >> And another example: a fragment of an excellent engraving of Mozart's >> Requiem published by Breitkopf in 1952 (peak of traditional engraving) >> and LilyPond version, which is again virtually untweaked, and looks >> really similar to Breitkopf: >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/bhycv66tbofcymn/Requiem%20%28Mozart%29.zip > > Hmm, you seem to write "Tuis" instead of "tuis" as in the Breitkopf > edition. Indeed. Using capital letter is because of respect (especially since the words are directed toward God), but apparently this is just a convention used in Polish language. > The Breitkops looks like it is easier to read, little bigger text, > a little more space between coir and klaver staffs. I think I like > that. Sure, but the point is that LilyPond's output is nearly 100% default, and it's already _very similar_. With nearly 100% default settings, Finale output would probably be horrible. > I don't think it helps people to show them the golden standard since > they don't know what to look for. That's *precisely* why i give the comparisons mentioned before to anyone who has at least remote connection with music: show them what to look for. Once they read a few such comparisons, they'll start noticing engraving errors in Finale-made scores and then they'll look at LilyPond and say "hey, that's *really* interesting!". > I think I'll stick to plan a, > showcase + easy examples they can manage themselves. do as you wish :) just keep in mind that oversimplifying the examples /may/ give them the idea that Lilypond is only suitable to easy tasks, which is totally false. best, JAnek _______________________________________________ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
