Re: helper function that should take a list argument doesn't do anything

[Marc Hohl]

Am 10.11.2012 14:49, schrieb David Kastrup:

[...]
-i isn't an option of touch. It is an option of rm. The touch places 
a file -i in the directory. At least with POSIX sort order, this is 
bound to come rather early in a directory listing, so if you have 
files a, b, c in the directory, rm * .o expands into rm -i a b c .o 
It does not help much if you have a sort order where - gets ignored, 
obviously. 

Hey, that's clever!

Marc


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Re: quoteDuring for lyrics?

[Jan-Peter Voigt]

Hello Mogens,

AFAIK quoted lyrics has to be done "manually" right now.
In those cases, I usually create a CueVoice="mycue" and quote the needed 
music in there. Then I can create Lyrics (with a smaller font) that is 
assigned to that voice with \lyricsto "mycue".
Those cases are not too often, so I can live with "rewriting" the needed 
quoted lyrics.
The problem is, that you can get the corresponding notes from the lyrics 
quite easy, but I don't know of a way in the other direction: getting 
corresponding syllables from a voice-context.
Well, one could probably search a Lyrics context for syllables assigned 
to notes to be quoted ...


I am sorry to say, that I think, you have to copyandpaste the needed 
lyrics right now.

Cheers, Jan-Peter

On 09.11.2012 21:03, Mogens Lemvig Hansen wrote:

Hi,

Is there a mechanism for lyrics similar to \quoteDuring?  I naively tried

\version "2.16.0"
soprano = \relative c'' { a2 b4 c d e f g  }
alto= \relative c'  { e4 f2 g4 a b c d  }
sopranoText = \lyricmode { one two three four five six seven eight }
altoText= \lyricmode { en to tre fire fem seks syv otte }
\addQuote "qsoprano" { \soprano }
\addQuote "qalto" { \alto }
mixture = {
 \quoteDuring "qsoprano" { s1 }
 \quoteDuring "qalto"{ s1 }
}
\addQuote "tsoprano" { \sopranoText }
\addQuote "talto" { \altoText }
mixText = {
 \quoteDuring "tsoprano" { s1 }
 \quoteDuring "talto"{ s1 }
}
\score { <<
 \new Staff {
   \new Voice = "soprano" { \soprano }
 }
 \new Lyrics \lyricsto "soprano" { \sopranoText }
 \new Staff {
   \new Voice = "alto" { \alto }
 }
 \new Lyrics \lyricsto "alto" { \altoText }
 \new Staff {
   \new Voice = "mix" { \mixture }
 }
 \new Lyrics \lyricsto "mix" { \mixText }

}



If the magic had gone my way, the bottom lyrics had read
one two three fire fem seks syv

I attach a scan of what I got instead.

My motivation is that I have a piece for six (human) voices all typed 
and ready but now need to rearrange it for five voices.  I have 
successfully made extensive use of \quoteDuring for the notes.  The 
lyrics consist of fa -- la -- lah's and ting -- e -- lings rather than 
real words, so they need to follow the part they came from, so a 
\quoteDuring mechanism would save me a lot of error prone copy-and-paste.


Regards,
Mogens



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Re: Custom key signature stencils, differentiating major and minor keys

[MING TSANG]

Hi, Paul:

Thank you for the custom key signature.  I have been dreaming this for 
sometime, but hesitate to ask lilypond user community.  I have been using 
circle of fifths to identify the key signature.

You mention this custom key signature can be adapted to print above the clef 
sign.  I am not a programmer, so not able to change (adapt).

Questions:  
1. Print the custom key signature above the clef sign
2. Is it possible to retain the traditional key signature then print the custom 
key signature above

3. Can this custom key signature use with \include "english.ly" or \language 
english?
4. Can ais (as in english) print as A# Major & f# Minor; same for flat as well?


Thank you such useful custom key signature.  I definitely will use it.

 
Blessing in+,
Ming.
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Re: unwanted barnumber

[shutterfreak]

While incorporating this code in another score I came across a layouting
problem: if the tempo name is sufficiently long, then the first measure
number will be rendered _above_ the tempo indicator.

This problem only occurs when \omitParenthesizedBarNumbers is invoked in the
layout block.

Probably it's a problem of prioritizing markup scripts, but I have no clue
yet on how to fix this.

Here's a snippet illustrating this issue:

%%% BEGIN snippet
\version "2.16.0"

omitParenthesizedBarNumbers =
\override Score.BarNumber #'after-line-breaking =
#(lambda (grob)
   (let* ((text (ly:grob-property grob 'text))
  (text-arg (caadr text))
  (nmbr? (string->number text-arg)))
 (if (not nmbr?)
 (ly:grob-suicide! grob)
 #f)))

\score {
  \new Staff {
\relative c' {
  \key g \major
  \time 3/4
  \tempo "Allegretto"
  \clef "bass"

  \compressFullBarRests
  \override MultiMeasureRest #'expand-limit = #3
  \override Score.BarNumber #'break-visibility = #end-of-line-invisible
  \set Score.barNumberVisibility = #(every-nth-bar-number-visible 1)
  \set Score.alternativeNumberingStyle = #'numbers-with-letters

  \partial 4
  g8.-\upbow-\pp-1 (a16_\markup{\italic con grazia})
  b8.->-3 ( ais16 ) b8.-> ( ais16 ) b8.-> ( ais16 )
  \break
}
  }

  \layout {
\context {
  \Score
  \omitParenthesizedBarNumbers
}
  }
}
%%% END snippet



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Re: lilyglyphs 0.2 - First 'official' release

[Janek Warchoł]

On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Urs Liska  wrote:
> I'm happy (and also proud) to be able to announce a new release of my
> lilyglyphs LaTeX package.
> While I label it version 0.2 I am convinced that it is the first release
> that is really useable, so I consider this the initial 'public' release.

Congratulations - this is really great work!  I wish i had some LaTeX
documents with musical symbols to typeset so that i could play with it
:)

thanks,
Janek

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aftergrace with pitchedtrill

[Stefan Thomas]

Dear community,
I have the same problem like Trevor Bača, years ago.
See at http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2006-11/msg00265.html
Is there a solution available?
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Re: lilyglyphs 0.2 - First 'official' release

[Urs Liska]

Well, nobody stops you from beautifying the revision report as well ;-)

But seriously, if you are looking for something to play with, you can take that 
document too - with credits to Git ...

Best
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"Janek Warchoł"  schrieb:

On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Urs Liska  wrote:
> I'm happy (and also proud) to be able to announce a new release of my
> lilyglyphs LaTeX package.
> While I label it version 0.2 I am convinced that it is the first release
> that is really useable, so I consider this the initial 'public' release.

Congratulations - this is really great work! I wish i had some LaTeX
documents with musical symbols to typeset so that i could play with it
:)

thanks,
Janek

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Re: aftergrace with pitchedtrill

[Eluze]

Stefan Thomas-5 wrote
> Dear community,
> I have the same problem like Trevor Bača, years ago.
> See at
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2006-11/msg00265.html
> Is there a solution available?

sure - what version are you using?

Eluze



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TupletNumber direction

[Daniel Rosen]

\version "2.16.0" \times 2/3 { c'8 c' c' }

Is there a way to get the TupletNumber to show up on the note head side instead 
of the beam side? Seems to me that this would be a pretty common tweak, and I 
can't find it in the manuals or the LSR or anywhere in the list archives.

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Re: Version Control and Public Repository

[Stjepan Horvat]

hi..i have the same question..?!
I reed somewhere that git isn't intended for binary packages..
and i transcribed (by ear) many scores i don't have rights for..

how do you handle this kind of staff..
What are the laws related to such situations?!

this is what my brother and i are working on
https://github.com/schef/duhovni-projekt/


On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Mike Blackstock  wrote:

>
> Thanks Francisco. It's fixed.
>
> -M.
>
> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 5:16 AM, Francisco Vila wrote:
>
>> 2012/11/10 Mike Blackstock :
>> > You can generate your own lilypond scores page at www.omet.ca. Just
>> upload
>> > your sources, compile them, and you'll get a page like this:
>> >
>> > http://www.omet.ca/scores/Mike_Blackstock_2/
>>
>> I hadn't noticed before: source view in omet.ca does not escape < and
>> > for chords, see image at
>> http://paconet.org/lilypond/problem-omet-ca.png
>> --
>> Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain)
>> www.paconet.org , www.csmbadajoz.com
>>
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Re: TupletNumber direction

[David Kastrup]

Daniel Rosen  writes:

> \version "2.16.0" \times 2/3 { c'8 c' c' }
>
> Is there a way to get the TupletNumber to show up on the note head
> side instead of the beam side? Seems to me that this would be a pretty
> common tweak, and I can't find it in the manuals or the LSR or
> anywhere in the list archives.

\tweak #'direction #DOWN \times 2/3 { c'8 c' c' }



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Re: aftergrace with pitchedtrill

[Stefan Thomas]

Dear community,
I'm using version 2.16.0
Subject: Re: aftergrace with pitchedtrill
Message-ID: <1352647402382-136192.p...@n5.nabble.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Stefan Thomas-5 wrote
> Dear community,
> I have the same problem like Trevor Ba?a, years ago.
> See at
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2006-11/msg00265.html
> Is there a solution available?

sure - what version are you using?

Eluze
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Re: Version Control and Public Repository

[Francisco Vila]

2012/11/11 Stjepan Horvat :
> I reed somewhere that git isn't intended for binary packages..

Humans are not intended for tracking per-line changes on binary files,
either. Git can do it, for example people adds videos to git repos,
but it is not of great help except that you can mix binaries with all
else and git is agnostic to the difference.

> and i transcribed (by ear) many scores i don't have rights for..
>
> how do you handle this kind of staff..
> What are the laws related to such situations?!

I think copyright laws are clear, regardless of whether you
transcribed it by ear or photocopied it, you can not publish material
you don't own the rights of.


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Re: Version Control and Public Repository

[Stjepan Horvat]

And is puting it on the web for example github ("public") illegal..?!


On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Francisco Vila wrote:

> 2012/11/11 Stjepan Horvat :
> > I reed somewhere that git isn't intended for binary packages..
>
> Humans are not intended for tracking per-line changes on binary files,
> either. Git can do it, for example people adds videos to git repos,
> but it is not of great help except that you can mix binaries with all
> else and git is agnostic to the difference.
>
> > and i transcribed (by ear) many scores i don't have rights for..
> >
> > how do you handle this kind of staff..
> > What are the laws related to such situations?!
>
> I think copyright laws are clear, regardless of whether you
> transcribed it by ear or photocopied it, you can not publish material
> you don't own the rights of.
>
>
> --
> Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain)
> www.paconet.org , www.csmbadajoz.com
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Re: Version Control and Public Repository

[Federico Bruni]

Il 11/11/2012 18:54, Stjepan Horvat ha scritto:

And is puting it on the web for example github ("public") illegal..?!


Sure it's illegal, if material is copyrighted and you don't have the rights.
If you use a private repository I think it's ok.


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Re: Version Control and Public Repository

[Urs Liska]

Am 11.11.2012 19:02, schrieb Federico Bruni:

Il 11/11/2012 18:54, Stjepan Horvat ha scritto:

And is puting it on the web for example github ("public") illegal..?!


Sure it's illegal, if material is copyrighted and you don't have the 
rights.

If you use a private repository I think it's ok.
Of course you can typeset anything you want and put it in a private 
repository on Github.

But you can't if it's a public repository.



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Re: Version Control and Public Repository

[Stjepan Horvat]

Thanks guys..this was unclear to me..
..so Copyright is the key word..


On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Urs Liska  wrote:

> Am 11.11.2012 19:02, schrieb Federico Bruni:
>
>  Il 11/11/2012 18:54, Stjepan Horvat ha scritto:
>>
>>> And is puting it on the web for example github ("public") illegal..?!
>>>
>>
>> Sure it's illegal, if material is copyrighted and you don't have the
>> rights.
>> If you use a private repository I think it's ok.
>>
> Of course you can typeset anything you want and put it in a private
> repository on Github.
> But you can't if it's a public repository.
>
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Re: Version Control and Public Repository

[Urs Liska]

Am 11.11.2012 17:43, schrieb Stjepan Horvat:

hi..i have the same question..?!
I reed somewhere that git isn'tintended for binary packages..
What Git does is comparing files line by line, which essentially works 
only for text files.
It stores the differences between the files which can be a single line 
between two versions of a file.
If it has to compare two versions of a binary file (e.g. a PDF) it has 
to store the complete files of each version.

This isn't efficient, but it works.
I think the general approach is to ignore (i.e. exclude them from the 
git repository) files that are

a) unnecessary (like backup or intermediate files) or
b) can easily be recreated from the textual source files.

 * So I would generally put *.pdf in the .gitignore file because they
   can be easily recreated with LilyPond.
 * If you want to have them as public downloads for people who don't
   have LilyPond, you can include them in the repository, but I would
   suggest to exclude them by default and only add them (with 'git add
   -f filename.pdf) when you consider them finished, so they probably
   won't change anymore)
 * Or even better, if you want to provide them as downloads, don't
   include them in the git repository but present them explicitely on
   the download page of your Github repository

I hope this makes it somewhat clearer.


and i transcribed (by ear) many scores i don't have rights for..

how do you handle this kind of staff..
What are the laws related to such situations?!

Or course that depends on who actually has rights for the music.
I have opened a few randomly selectdes scores of your github-project. 
Some of them seem to be 'pop?'-songs with an author, but some might 
equally be 'traditionals'?

Of course that makes a big difference.
It does _not_ make a difference how you got the music (by ear or score).

HTH

Urs


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On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Mike Blackstock 
mailto:blackstock.m...@gmail.com>> wrote:



Thanks Francisco. It's fixed.

-M.

On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 5:16 AM, Francisco Vila
mailto:paconet@gmail.com>> wrote:

2012/11/10 Mike Blackstock mailto:blackstock.m...@gmail.com>>:
> You can generate your own lilypond scores page at
www.omet.ca . Just upload
> your sources, compile them, and you'll get a page like this:
>
> http://www.omet.ca/scores/Mike_Blackstock_2/

I hadn't noticed before: source view in omet.ca
 does not escape < and
> for chords, see image at
http://paconet.org/lilypond/problem-omet-ca.png
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Re: Version Control and Public Repository

[martinwguy]

On 11 November 2012 18:39, Francisco Vila  wrote:
>> and i transcribed (by ear) many scores i don't have rights for..
>>
>> how do you handle this kind of staff..
>> What are the laws related to such situations?!
>
> I think copyright laws are clear, regardless of whether you
> transcribed it by ear or photocopied it, you can not publish material
> you don't own the rights of.

That's a simplistic play-it-safe position, but in reality copyright
laws are different in every country and cover different situations in
different ways.

The term for derivative works of music that do not directly reuse
another person's performance, which includes cover versions and new
typesettings of sheet music, is "Mechanical license" and in the US you
have the right to do this, whether or not the owner of the copyright
of the original score or of a particular performance want you to or
not, on payment of a small fee that is calculateda according to some
tables ($15 per song + a cut of the profits, if any), managed through
a central agency.

In other legal giurisdictions, different laws apply.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_license for further details.

M

No, I'm not a lawyer either.

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Re: Custom key signature stencils, differentiating major and minor keys

[Paul Morris]

On Nov 11, 2012, at 7:38 AM, MING TSANG  wrote:

> Hi, Paul:  Thank you for the custom key signature.  I have been dreaming this 
> for sometime, but hesitate to ask lilypond user community.  I have been using 
> circle of fifths to identify the key signature.

Hi Ming,  I'm glad you find it useful.


> You mention this custom key signature can be adapted to print above the clef 
> sign.  I am not a programmer, so not able to change (adapt).
> 
> Questions:  
> 1. Print the custom key signature above the clef sign
> 2. Is it possible to retain the traditional key signature then print the 
> custom key signature above
> 3. Can this custom key signature use with \include "english.ly" or \language 
> english?
> 4. Can ais (as in english) print as A# Major & f# Minor; same for flat as 
> well?

The new code below will print the name of the key above the standard key 
signature.  It now uses actual sharp and flat signs in the key names ("Fb" 
rather than "Fes"), and the text is smaller.  

It should work fine with \include "english.ly" or \language english, but I have 
not tried it.  You can edit the names of the keys by changing the relevant text 
in the following parts of the code.  For example change:

  #{ \markup \magnify #0.7 {B Major} #

  #{ \markup \magnify #0.7 {G\raise #.6 {\sharp} Minor} #

to
 
  #{ \markup \magnify #0.7 {B M} #

  #{ \markup \magnify #0.7 {G\raise #.6 {\sharp} m} #

for an abbreviated text ("B M"  and "G# m" instead of "B Major" and "G Minor").


I think this has reached the "potentially useful" stage, for anyone who is 
still learning the key signatures or wants to know explicitly whether keys are 
major or minor.

(Ideally it would be better if it did not print the name of the key signature 
above a key cancellation, as with the transition from A# Minor to F Major in 
the code below.  I would have to figure out how to somehow access whether it 
was engraving a key-cancellation or a key-signature.)

Any suggestions for improvement are welcome.  I am an amateur hack at this and 
stand on the shoulders of giant snippets.  :-)

(Like this one http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=233 for this most recent 
version).

Cheers,
-Paul


%%  Begin snippet

\version "2.16.0"

#(define Custom_key_sig_engraver
   (make-engraver
(acknowledgers
 ((key-signature-interface engraver grob source-engraver)
  (let* (
  (context (ly:translator-context engraver))
  (tonic-pitch (ly:context-property context 'tonic))
  (tonic-semi (modulo (ly:pitch-semitones tonic-pitch) 
12))
  (acclist  (ly:grob-property grob 'alteration-alist))
  (accsign  (if (null? acclist) 0 (cdr (list-ref 
acclist 0
  (psn  (if (null? acclist) 0 (car (list-ref 
acclist 0
  (sig-stencil  (ly:key-signature-interface::print 
grob))
)
(cond 
((= accsign 0) 
(if (= tonic-semi 0) 
(ly:grob-set-property! grob 
'stencil 

(ly:stencil-combine-at-edge sig-stencil  1 1 

(grob-interpret-markup grob #{ \markup \raise #2.3 \magnify #0.7 {C Major} #}) 
.5 ))
(ly:grob-set-property! grob 
'stencil 

(ly:stencil-combine-at-edge sig-stencil 1 1 

(grob-interpret-markup grob #{ \markup \raise #2.3 \magnify #0.7 {A Minor} #}) 
.5 ))
))
((= accsign 1/2);; SHARP KEYS
  (cond 
((= psn 3) 
(if (= tonic-semi 7) 
(ly:grob-set-property! grob 
'stencil 

(ly:stencil-combine-at-edge sig-stencil 1 1 

(grob-interpret-markup grob #{ \markup \magnify #0.7 {G Major} #}) .5 ))
(ly:grob-set-property! grob 
'stencil 

(ly:stencil-combine-at-edge sig-stencil 1 1 

(grob-interpret-markup grob #{ \markup \magnify #0.7 {E Minor} #}) .5 ))
))
((= psn 0) 
(if (= tonic-semi 2) 
(ly:grob-set-property! grob 
'stencil 

(ly:stencil-combine-at-edge sig-stencil 1 1

Re:Re: helper function that should take a list argument doesn't do anything

[Patrick or Cynthia Karl]

On Nov 11, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Marc Hohl wrote:

> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 09:10:44 +0100
> From: Marc Hohl 
> To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: helper function that should take a list argument doesn't
>   do  anything
> Message-ID: <509f5d84.7050...@hohlart.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> 
> Am 10.11.2012 14:49, schrieb David Kastrup:
>> [...]
>>> -i isn't an option of touch. It is an option of rm. The touch places 
>>> a file -i in the directory. At least with POSIX sort order, this is 
>>> bound to come rather early in a directory listing, so if you have 
>>> files a, b, c in the directory, rm * .o expands into rm -i a b c .o 
>>> It does not help much if you have a sort order where - gets ignored, 
>>> obviously. 
> Hey, that's clever!
> 
> Marc

Indeed, it is clever.  However, it doesn't seem to work on a mac running OSX 
10.7.5.  I find that the command "touch .\-i" creates a file called ".-i", 
which doesn't look like the "-i" option to the rm command.

I can get it to work with any of these commands:

touch "-i"

touch -- -i

echo > -i

Pat

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Re: helper function that should take a list argument doesn't do anything

[David Kastrup]

Patrick or Cynthia Karl  writes:

> On Nov 11, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Marc Hohl wrote:
>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 09:10:44 +0100
>> From: Marc Hohl 
>> To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
>> Subject: Re: helper function that should take a list argument doesn't
>>  do  anything
>> Message-ID: <509f5d84.7050...@hohlart.de>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>> 
>> Am 10.11.2012 14:49, schrieb David Kastrup:
>>> [...]
 -i isn't an option of touch. It is an option of rm. The touch places 
 a file -i in the directory. At least with POSIX sort order, this is 
 bound to come rather early in a directory listing, so if you have 
 files a, b, c in the directory, rm * .o expands into rm -i a b c .o 
 It does not help much if you have a sort order where - gets ignored, 
 obviously. 
>> Hey, that's clever!
>> 
>> Marc
>
> Indeed, it is clever.  However, it doesn't seem to work on a mac
> running OSX 10.7.5.  I find that the command "touch .\-i" creates a
> file called ".-i", which doesn't look like the "-i" option to the rm
> command.

Sure it would.  But I wrote

touch ./-i

which is quite different.

> I can get it to work with any of these commands:
>
>   touch "-i"

No idea about OSX, but on GNU/Linux this will give you

dak@lola:/usr/local/tmp/lilypond$ touch "-i"
touch: invalid option -- 'i'
Try `touch --help' for more information.

You could try

touch -- -i

instead, but ./-i is simpler.

-- 
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RE: TupletNumber direction

[Daniel Rosen]

I guess I should have been more clear, but I was in a rush. What I'm actually 
looking for is a function to have tuplet numbers ALWAYS appear on the note head 
side, regardless of stem direction.

DR


-Original Message-
From: David Kastrup [mailto:d...@gnu.org] 
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 11:52 AM
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: TupletNumber direction

Daniel Rosen  writes:

> \version "2.16.0" \times 2/3 { c'8 c' c' }
>
> Is there a way to get the TupletNumber to show up on the note head 
> side instead of the beam side? Seems to me that this would be a pretty 
> common tweak, and I can't find it in the manuals or the LSR or 
> anywhere in the list archives.

\tweak #'direction #DOWN \times 2/3 { c'8 c' c' }



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RE: TupletNumber direction

[Daniel Rosen]

Also, I'm a little confused as to why \override TupletNumber #'direction = #-1 
isn't working just as well in the meantime.

DR


-Original Message-
From: David Kastrup [mailto:d...@gnu.org] 
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 11:52 AM
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: TupletNumber direction

Daniel Rosen  writes:

> \version "2.16.0" \times 2/3 { c'8 c' c' }
>
> Is there a way to get the TupletNumber to show up on the note head 
> side instead of the beam side? Seems to me that this would be a pretty 
> common tweak, and I can't find it in the manuals or the LSR or 
> anywhere in the list archives.

\tweak #'direction #DOWN \times 2/3 { c'8 c' c' }



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Re: TupletNumber direction

[David Kastrup]

Daniel Rosen  writes:

> Also, I'm a little confused as to why \override TupletNumber
> #'direction = #-1 isn't working just as well in the meantime.

Because it is not consulted?

\version "2.16.0"
\new Voice {
  \times 2/3 { c'8 c' c' }
  \override TupletBracket #'direction = #DOWN
  \times 2/3 { c'8 c' c' }
}

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Creating charts, not scores: horizontally lining up

[ivan . k . kuznetsov]

I need to make a number of charts that demonstrate various kinds of
non-traditional scales.  Appended is a lilypond example towards
something I would like to do.   The first issue I would
like to deal with is as follows:


I need the rests and notes to line up precisely.  D natural on
the lower stave needs to fall exactly below D natural on the upper
stave.

Likewise, an eighth rest in front of a Csharp on the lower
stave needs to fall exactly below a a C natural on the upper stave.

---

Once this is solved, I would like to replace the
eighth rests with eight "spaces" (I know, use s8 instead of r8)
and then make the stems disappear.


Any pointers would be appreciated.  Thank you.






\version "2.16.0"
\include "english.ly"


#(set-default-paper-size "letter" 'landscape)
#(set-global-staff-size 18)


\bookpart { % BOOKPART BEGIN

\score {

  \new Staff
  {
\clef "bass"
\time 3/4
e,8 r8 r8 g,8 gs,8 r8 as,8 b,8 r8 cs8 r8 ds8 r8 r8 fs8 g8 r8 a8 as8 r8
\clef "treble"
c'8 r8 d'8 r8 r8 f'8 fs'8 r8 gs'8 a'8 r8 b'8 r8 cs''8 r8 r8 e''8 f''8 r8 
g''8 gs''8 r8 as''8 r8 c'''8 r8 r8 ds'''8 e'''8 r8 fs'''8 g'''8 r8 a'''8 r8 
b'''8

  }
  \layout {

\context {
   \Score
   \override SpacingSpanner
   #'base-shortest-duration = #(ly:make-moment 1 8)
   \override TimeSignature #'transparent = ##t 
}
  }
}


\score {

  \new Staff
  {
  
 \clef "bass"
 \time 3/4
 e,8 r8 r8 g,8 r8 a,8 r8 b,8 c8 r8 d8 ds8 r8 r8 fs8 r8 gs8 r8 as8 b8
 \clef "treble"
 r8 cs'8 d'8 r8 r8 f'8 r8 g'8 r8 a'8 as'8 r8 c''8 cs''8 r8 r8 e''8 r8 fs''8 
r8 gs''8 a''8 r8 b''8 c'''8 r8 r8 ds'''8 r8 f'''8 r8 g'''8 gs'''8 r8 as'''8 
b'''8
 

  }
  \layout {

\context {
   \Score
   \override SpacingSpanner
   #'base-shortest-duration = #(ly:make-moment 1 8)
   \override TimeSignature #'transparent = ##t 
}
  }
}

} % BOOKPART END





<>\version "2.16.0"
\include "english.ly"


#(set-default-paper-size "letter" 'landscape)
#(set-global-staff-size 18)


\bookpart { % BOOKPART BEGIN

\score {

  \new Staff
  {
\clef "bass"
\time 3/4
e,8 r8 r8 g,8 gs,8 r8 as,8 b,8 r8 cs8 r8 ds8 r8 r8 fs8 g8 r8 a8 as8 r8
\clef "treble"
c'8 r8 d'8 r8 r8 f'8 fs'8 r8 gs'8 a'8 r8 b'8 r8 cs''8 r8 r8 e''8 f''8 r8 
g''8 gs''8 r8 as''8 r8 c'''8 r8 r8 ds'''8 e'''8 r8 fs'''8 g'''8 r8 a'''8 r8 
b'''8

  }
  \layout {

\context {
   \Score
   \override SpacingSpanner
   #'base-shortest-duration = #(ly:make-moment 1 8)
   \override TimeSignature #'transparent = ##t 
}
  }
}


\score {

  \new Staff
  {
  
 \clef "bass"
 \time 3/4
 e,8 r8 r8 g,8 r8 a,8 r8 b,8 c8 r8 d8 ds8 r8 r8 fs8 r8 gs8 r8 as8 b8
 \clef "treble"
 r8 cs'8 d'8 r8 r8 f'8 r8 g'8 r8 a'8 as'8 r8 c''8 cs''8 r8 r8 e''8 r8 fs''8 
r8 gs''8 a''8 r8 b''8 c'''8 r8 r8 ds'''8 r8 f'''8 r8 g'''8 gs'''8 r8 as'''8 
b'''8
 

  }
  \layout {

\context {
   \Score
   \override SpacingSpanner
   #'base-shortest-duration = #(ly:make-moment 1 8)
   \override TimeSignature #'transparent = ##t 
}
  }
}

} % BOOKPART END







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Re: TupletNumber direction

[David Nalesnik]

On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Daniel Rosen  wrote:
> I guess I should have been more clear, but I was in a rush. What I'm actually 
> looking for is a function to have tuplet numbers ALWAYS appear on the note 
> head side, regardless of stem direction.

You could do something like this, which looks at the direction of the
first stem in the tuplet to determine where the note head is:

\relative c'' {
  \override TupletBracket #'direction =
  #(lambda (grob)
(let* ((note-column (ly:grob-parent grob X))
   (stem (ly:grob-object note-column 'stem))
   (stem-direction (ly:grob-property stem 'direction)))
  (if (= UP stem-direction)
  DOWN
  UP)))

  \times 2/3 { c8 c c }
  \times 2/3 { c,8 c c }
  \times 2/3 { c'8 c c }
  \times 2/3 { c,8 c c }
}

This doesn't address the issue of the stem direction changing during
the course of the tuplet (i.e., for a "kneed beam").

On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 2:44 PM, David Kastrup  wrote:
> Daniel Rosen  writes:
>
>> Also, I'm a little confused as to why \override TupletNumber
>> #'direction = #-1 isn't working just as well in the meantime.
>
> Because it is not consulted?
>
> \version "2.16.0"
> \new Voice {
>   \times 2/3 { c'8 c' c' }
>   \override TupletBracket #'direction = #DOWN
>   \times 2/3 { c'8 c' c' }
> }
>

Yes--the tuplet number is pulled along by the bracket, even though
there is none visible here.

HTH,
David

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RE: lilypond-user Digest, Vol 120, Issue 54

[Daniel Rosen]

Aha! That would explain it.

DR


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Re: helper function that should take a list argument doesn't do anything

[Janek Warchoł]

On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 2:56 PM, David Kastrup  wrote:
> Janek Warchoł  writes:
>
>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:31 PM, David Kastrup  wrote:
>>
>>> You did not copy and paste valid LilyPond code into #{ #}.  You replaced
>>> a constant in a constant list by a symbol.  That was not valid outside
>>> of #{ #}, and it did not became valid inside of it.
>>
>> Hmm.  Indeed.  Too bad that to make the code valid one has to make it
>> significantly different.
>
> That's what backquoting is for: that way you don't have to make it
> significantly different, you just swap the ' for ` and put a , before
> the expression parts which you _do_ want to have evaluated after all.

ok, you are right.  My complaint was unjustified.
Nevertheless, the solution available with 2.17.6 is million times
better than using ` and , (from a user's point of view).

>> So, maybe it's a defect in convert-ly?
>
> Uh, no?  That conversion is perfectly correct.  In fact, the last
> argument, which is the _value_ argument for \overrideProperty, has not
> been changed at all.  It is just the same as before.

ok

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Re: helper function that should take a list argument doesn't do anything

[Janek Warchoł]

On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 2:49 PM, David Kastrup  wrote:
> Janek Warchoł  writes:
>> What really annoys me is the fact that rm has no reasonable safeguard.
>> [...] i'd like to see a safeguard against deleting too many files
>
> rm is not a file manager.  I do larger renaming/removal workloads using
> Emacs (hardly surprising), but there are also other file managers.

indeed, rm is not a file manager.  However, rm has this:

-I prompt once before removing  more  than  three  files,

so it makes sense to me to have an option for prompting before
removing more than n files, too.

As for Emacs, i think it wouldn't make sense to write shell scripts
depending on Emacs.

>> I was thinking about having all my files in a git repository, but
>> that's ~10 GB of data, and lots of it is in a binary (i mean,
>> non-diffable) form.  Do you think it would make sense to use git for
>> that?
>
> It's pretty efficient for storing even binary blobs.

i'll try then.

> -i isn't an option of touch.  It is an option of rm.  The touch places a
> file -i in the directory.  At least with POSIX sort order, this is bound
> to come rather early in a directory listing, so if you have files a, b,
> c in the directory,
>
> rm * .o
>
> expands into
>
> rm -i a b c .o
>
> It does not help much if you have a sort order where - gets ignored,
> obviously.

ah, that's really nice!  thanks for explanation.


On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Werner LEMBERG  wrote:
> On my GNU/Linux box, I'm using the libtrash library which intercepts
> `rm' and friends to store data to be deleted in a trash directory.  A
> cron script then really deletes the collected data once a day.
>
>   http://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~marriaga/software/libtrash/
>
> I'm very satisfied with it.

looks interesting.  I'll give it a try - thanks for suggestion!

Janek

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Re: Aleatoric / modern notation

[David Nalesnik]

Ben,

On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 9:53 PM, SoundsFromSound
 wrote:
> David:
>
> I see, thanks for clarifying that for me.  So, in your opinion, if I wanted
> to use these aleatoric boxes on a few scores here and there, that would be
> doable - though not ideal, it would /work/- correct? I wouldn't ever need
> this type of notation on anything of a larger scale.

I think that if you're using it on single files (and not, say, with
lilypond-book), there shouldn't be a problem.  At least I haven't
noticed anything untoward.  But understand that the way the new grob
is built up with its new properties and event-class and such is not
done in a sound way.  There is currently no proper user interface for
doing this sort of thing in an .ly file.  When there is one, parts of
this file will need to be rewritten (as happened in the situation that
brought you to the list, which came about because of a step in the
direction of this new-grob-with-all-the-fixings interface made by
David Kastrup).

>
> I ask because in future scores I'll have to do something similar to this and
> want to make sure I don't corrupt my dear LilyPond install :)

No, the files are safe!

-David

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Re: Lilypond cheat sheat

[Noeck]

Am 07.11.2012 01:25, schrieb Reinhold Kainhofer:
> On 2012-11-06 23:14, Noeck wrote:
>> many years ago I made a cheat sheet for Lilypond, because I couldn't
>> remember all the syntax by heart. Now, after having used Lilypond for
>> some years and after reading the notation reference again, I've made an
>> updated version, which might be helpful for other users, too. It
>> requires a basic knowledge of Lilypond and aims at putting as much
>> information as possible on one page.
> 
> Wow, amazing. And incredible how much information you can cram onto one
> single page!
> 
> And thanks for sharing it with us.
> 
> 
> BTW, I wrote a similar cheat sheet a while ago, but aiming at new users,
> so I didn't try to get everything on the page. The code (latex and
> lilypond) is under a CC license, too:
> 
> http://www.edition-kainhofer.com/en/lilypond/details/2111/
> https://gitorious.org/lilypond-cheatsheet
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnu.lilypond.devel/44506/
> 
> 
> I think both cheat sheets nicely complement each other. Mine tries to be
> easy to understand to new users and show them the most important things,
> while yours is for advanced users and tries to give as much information
> as possible.
> 
> Cheers,
> Reinhold

I have seen your cheat sheet before and it is a very good help and
introduction to LilyPond. (I haven't found the pdf before, and with your
first link I get a 404 error.)

I am impressed, that it is done with LaTeX! That makes it easier to
update, but definitely needs some extra layout skills, that I
don't have in LaTeX.

You're right that the two are complementing each other. I hope that
LilyPond will attract many new users and hopefully our cheat sheets will
be helpful to them (as they are for me).

Cheers,
Joram

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RE: TupletNumber direction

[Daniel Rosen]

Fantastic. I had a feeling that it would be a relatively simple function (it 
certainly appears to be), but I know absolutely nothing about Scheme. I'll have 
to read the Extending manual one of these days. 

DR


-Original Message-
From: David Nalesnik [mailto:david.nales...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 3:53 PM
To: Daniel Rosen; David Kastrup
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: TupletNumber direction

On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Daniel Rosen  wrote:
> I guess I should have been more clear, but I was in a rush. What I'm actually 
> looking for is a function to have tuplet numbers ALWAYS appear on the note 
> head side, regardless of stem direction.

You could do something like this, which looks at the direction of the first 
stem in the tuplet to determine where the note head is:

\relative c'' {
  \override TupletBracket #'direction =
  #(lambda (grob)
(let* ((note-column (ly:grob-parent grob X))
   (stem (ly:grob-object note-column 'stem))
   (stem-direction (ly:grob-property stem 'direction)))
  (if (= UP stem-direction)
  DOWN
  UP)))

  \times 2/3 { c8 c c }
  \times 2/3 { c,8 c c }
  \times 2/3 { c'8 c c }
  \times 2/3 { c,8 c c }
}

This doesn't address the issue of the stem direction changing during the course 
of the tuplet (i.e., for a "kneed beam").

On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 2:44 PM, David Kastrup  wrote:
> Daniel Rosen  writes:
>
>> Also, I'm a little confused as to why \override TupletNumber 
>> #'direction = #-1 isn't working just as well in the meantime.
>
> Because it is not consulted?
>
> \version "2.16.0"
> \new Voice {
>   \times 2/3 { c'8 c' c' }
>   \override TupletBracket #'direction = #DOWN
>   \times 2/3 { c'8 c' c' }
> }
>

Yes--the tuplet number is pulled along by the bracket, even though there is 
none visible here.

HTH,
David
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Re: TupletNumber direction

[David Nalesnik]

On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Daniel Rosen  wrote:
> Fantastic. I had a feeling that it would be a relatively simple function (it 
> certainly appears to be), but I know absolutely nothing about Scheme. I'll 
> have to read the Extending manual one of these days.
>

Yes--Scheme certainly opens up a lot of possibilities, and it's great
fun if you like solving puzzles.

-David

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Re: Lilypond cheat sheet

[Noeck]

Thank you for all your comments on my cheat sheet[1]!

I included them and spotted some more. Here are the updated versions of
the English and the German cheat sheet (in svg and pdf format)[2]:

http://joramberger.de/files/lilypond_sheet_en.svg
http://joramberger.de/files/lilypond_sheet_en.pdf
http://joramberger.de/files/lilypond_sheet_de.svg
http://joramberger.de/files/lilypond_sheet_de.pdf

Because there is no script to produce it, but only an svg file, I cannot
recommend including it in the documentation of LilyPond (just as a
matter of file size and the reduced diff-ability).

But, not just because I've made it, but especially from a user's point
of view, I would suggest to make a link from the documentation to the
cheat sheets of Reinhold Kainhofer (if he agrees) and me. (Perhaps from
the bottom of this page:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/notation/cheat-sheet).

For me personally it is a great help to have a cheat sheet while writing
scores with LilyPond and I think many users would welcome it, but they
would never find my website or Reinhold's. Both for beginners and more
advanced users these could be useful in addition to the above mentioned
existing cheat sheet of the documentation.

Concerning the question how to update it for new versions:
The documentation is for 2.16 anyway and a link could be removed in case
it gets outdated. However, I intend to update it to the next stable
version as soon as that comes out. But I cannot guarantee that for all
eternity, though.

Cheers,
Joram



[1] I have corrected "Lilypond" to "LilyPond" even though I dislike this
capital P ;)

[2] The website itself is not there yet, but the files are accessible.

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Re: Custom key signature stencils, differentiating major and minor keys

[Paul Morris]

Here is an improved version.  It works the same as the last, 
but with much more streamlined and concise code.
-Paul


\version "2.16.0"

#(define Custom_key_sig_engraver
   (make-engraver
(acknowledgers
 ((key-signature-interface engraver grob source-engraver)
  (let* (
(context  (ly:translator-context engraver))
(tonic-pitch  (ly:context-property context 'tonic))
(tonic-semi  (modulo (ly:pitch-semitones tonic-pitch) 12)) ;; 
semitone of tonic note, 0-11 
(acclist  (ly:grob-property grob 'alteration-alist))
(accsign   (if (null? acclist) 0 (cdr (list-ref acclist 0 
;; accidental sign type, 1/2=sharp, -1/2=flat
(psn  (if (null? acclist) 0 (car (list-ref acclist 
0 ;; vertical position of last accidental sign
(key-name  #{ \markup {} #})
  )
  (cond 
  ((= accsign 0) 
(if (= tonic-semi 0) 
(set! key-name #{ \markup \raise #3.4 {C Major} #})
(set! key-name #{ \markup \raise #3.4 {A Minor} #})
))
  ((= accsign 1/2)  ;; SHARP KEYS
(cond 
((= psn 3) 
(if (= tonic-semi 7) 
(set! key-name #{ \markup {G Major} #})
(set! key-name #{ \markup {E Minor} #})
))
((= psn 0) 
(if (= tonic-semi 2) 
(set! key-name #{ \markup {D Major} #})
(set! key-name #{ \markup {B Minor} #})
))
((= psn 4) 
(if (= tonic-semi 9) 
(set! key-name #{ \markup {A Major} #})
(set! key-name #{ \markup {F\raise #.6 {\sharp} 
Minor} #})
))
((= psn 1) 
(if (= tonic-semi 4) 
(set! key-name #{ \markup {E Major} #})
(set! key-name #{ \markup {C\raise #.6 {\sharp} 
Minor} #})
))
((= psn 5) 
(if (= tonic-semi 11)
(set! key-name #{ \markup {B Major} #})
(set! key-name #{ \markup {G\raise #.6 {\sharp} 
Minor} #})
))
((= psn 2) 
(if (= tonic-semi 6) 
(set! key-name #{ \markup {F\raise #.6 {\sharp} 
Major} #})  
(set! key-name #{ \markup {D\raise #.6 {\sharp} 
Minor} #})
))
((= psn 6) 
(if (= tonic-semi 1) 
(set! key-name #{ \markup {C\raise #.6 {\sharp} 
Major} #})
(set! key-name #{ \markup {A\raise #.6 {\sharp} 
Minor} #})
))
)
  )
  ((= accsign -1/2) ;; FLAT KEYS
(cond
((= psn 6) 
(if (= tonic-semi 5) 
(set! key-name #{ \markup {F Major} #})
(set! key-name #{ \markup {D Minor} #})
))
((= psn 2) 
(if (= tonic-semi 10) 
(set! key-name #{ \markup {B\raise #.4 {\flat} 
Major} #})
(set! key-name #{ \markup {G Minor} #})
))
((= psn 5) 
(if (= tonic-semi 3) 
(set! key-name #{ \markup {E\raise #.4 {\flat} 
Major} #})
(set! key-name #{ \markup {C Minor} #})
))
((= psn 1) 
(if (= tonic-semi 8) 
(set! key-name #{ \markup {A\raise #.4 {\flat} 
Major} #})
(set! key-name #{ \markup {F Minor} #})
))
((= psn 4) 
(if (= tonic-semi 1) 
(set! key-name #{ \markup {D\raise #.4 {\flat} 
Major} #})
(set! key-name #{ \markup {B\raise #.4 {\flat} 
Minor} #})
))
((= psn 0) 
(if (= tonic-semi 6) 
(set! key-name #{ \markup {G\raise #.4 {\flat} 
Major} #})
(set! key-name #{ \markup {E\raise #.4 {\flat} 
Minor} #})
))
((= psn 3) 
(if (= tonic-semi 11) 
(set! key-name #{ \markup {C\raise #.4 {\flat} 
Major} #})
(set! key-name #{ \markup {A\raise #.4 {\flat} 
Minor} #})
))
 

gregorian.ly and line breaking

[Matthew Vernon]

Hi,

Is it possible to get lilypond to break lines for me when using
gregorian.ly? having to add something like \bar "" \break by hand is a
bit frustrating, given lilypond normally does quite a good job of line
breaks.

Thanks,

Matthew

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Re: Aleatoric / modern notation

[SoundsFromSound]

David,

Thanks for the feedback! It's sad to hear that boxed notation is a bit
challenging in LilyPond (i.e. not possible without "breaking" parts of it) -
do you think there will ever be a native, more acceptable way to do boxed
notation in the future?  I'm not much a programmer so I apologize if that is
a silly question, but it'd be awesome if it could be implemented.  I'm not
sure if you mean it's not possible yet, or not possible from a programming
standpoint.

Thanks,
Ben


David Nalesnik-2 wrote
> Ben,
> 
> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 9:53 PM, SoundsFromSound
> <

> soundsfromsound@

> > wrote:
>> David:
>>
>> I see, thanks for clarifying that for me.  So, in your opinion, if I
>> wanted
>> to use these aleatoric boxes on a few scores here and there, that would
>> be
>> doable - though not ideal, it would /work/- correct? I wouldn't ever need
>> this type of notation on anything of a larger scale.
> 
> I think that if you're using it on single files (and not, say, with
> lilypond-book), there shouldn't be a problem.  At least I haven't
> noticed anything untoward.  But understand that the way the new grob
> is built up with its new properties and event-class and such is not
> done in a sound way.  
*
> There is currently no proper user interface for
> doing this sort of thing in an .ly file. 
*
>  When there is one, parts of
> this file will need to be rewritten (as happened in the situation that
> brought you to the list, which came about because of a step in the
> direction of this new-grob-with-all-the-fixings interface made by
> David Kastrup).
> 
>>
>> I ask because in future scores I'll have to do something similar to this
>> and
>> want to make sure I don't corrupt my dear LilyPond install :)
> 
> No, the files are safe!
> 
> -David
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Re: TupletNumber direction

[Thomas Morley]

2012/11/11 David Nalesnik :
> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Daniel Rosen  wrote:
>> Fantastic. I had a feeling that it would be a relatively simple function (it 
>> certainly appears to be), but I know absolutely nothing about Scheme. I'll 
>> have to read the Extending manual one of these days.
>>
>
> Yes--Scheme certainly opens up a lot of possibilities, and it's great
> fun if you like solving puzzles.

Hi David,

Big surprise: I _do_ like solving puzzles. :D

On topic:
Your function doesn't cover the case, where a rest is first in a tuplet.

Try it with:

\relative c'' {
  \times 2/3 { r8 c, c }
}

Here my approach, covering the rest-case and emitting a warning if
kneed beam is occurring:

\version "2.16.0"

\relative c' {
\override TupletBracket #'after-line-breaking =
  #(lambda (grob)
(let* ((tuplet-dir (ly:grob-property grob 'direction))
   (note-columns (ly:grob-array->list (ly:grob-object
grob 'note-columns)))
   (note-heads-array-list
(flatten-list
  (map
(lambda (x)
  (ly:grob-object x 'note-heads))
note-columns)))
   (note-heads
(flatten-list
  (map
(lambda (x)
  (ly:grob-array->list x))
note-heads-array-list)))
  (stems (map (lambda (x) (ly:grob-object x 'stem)) note-heads))
  (stem-dirs (map (lambda (x) (ly:grob-property x
'direction)) stems))
  (sorted-stems-dirs-list (sort-list stem-dirs (lambda
(a b) (< a b
  (equal-stems-dir? (= (car sorted-stems-dirs-list)
(car (reverse sorted-stems-dirs-list)
(if (and equal-stems-dir? (= (car sorted-stems-dirs-list) tuplet-dir))
  (ly:grob-set-property! grob 'direction (* -1 (car
sorted-stems-dirs-list)))
  (ly:warning "Kneed beam detected - if desired, adjust
TupletBracket manually."

\times 2/3 { c'8 c c }
\times 2/3 { r8 c c }
\times 2/3 { r8 r c }
\times 2/3 { c c'' r }
\break
\times 2/3 { c,,,8 c c }
\times 2/3 { r8 c c }
\times 2/3 { r8 r c }
\times 2/3 { c c'' r }
}

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RE: TupletNumber direction

[Daniel Rosen]

I can't speak to whether the code is sound, but if it is, this should be added 
to the LSR. Quite frankly, I'm surprised something similar isn't there already. 

DR


-Original Message-
From: Thomas Morley [mailto:thomasmorle...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 5:32 PM
To: David Nalesnik
Cc: Daniel Rosen; David Kastrup; lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: TupletNumber direction

2012/11/11 David Nalesnik :
> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Daniel Rosen  wrote:
>> Fantastic. I had a feeling that it would be a relatively simple function (it 
>> certainly appears to be), but I know absolutely nothing about Scheme. I'll 
>> have to read the Extending manual one of these days.
>>
>
> Yes--Scheme certainly opens up a lot of possibilities, and it's great 
> fun if you like solving puzzles.

Hi David,

Big surprise: I _do_ like solving puzzles. :D

On topic:
Your function doesn't cover the case, where a rest is first in a tuplet.

Try it with:

\relative c'' {
  \times 2/3 { r8 c, c }
}

Here my approach, covering the rest-case and emitting a warning if kneed beam 
is occurring:

\version "2.16.0"

\relative c' {
\override TupletBracket #'after-line-breaking =
  #(lambda (grob)
(let* ((tuplet-dir (ly:grob-property grob 'direction))
   (note-columns (ly:grob-array->list (ly:grob-object grob 
'note-columns)))
   (note-heads-array-list
(flatten-list
  (map
(lambda (x)
  (ly:grob-object x 'note-heads))
note-columns)))
   (note-heads
(flatten-list
  (map
(lambda (x)
  (ly:grob-array->list x))
note-heads-array-list)))
  (stems (map (lambda (x) (ly:grob-object x 'stem)) note-heads))
  (stem-dirs (map (lambda (x) (ly:grob-property x
'direction)) stems))
  (sorted-stems-dirs-list (sort-list stem-dirs (lambda (a b) (< 
a b
  (equal-stems-dir? (= (car sorted-stems-dirs-list) (car 
(reverse sorted-stems-dirs-list)
(if (and equal-stems-dir? (= (car sorted-stems-dirs-list) tuplet-dir))
  (ly:grob-set-property! grob 'direction (* -1 (car
sorted-stems-dirs-list)))
  (ly:warning "Kneed beam detected - if desired, adjust TupletBracket 
manually."

\times 2/3 { c'8 c c }
\times 2/3 { r8 c c }
\times 2/3 { r8 r c }
\times 2/3 { c c'' r }
\break
\times 2/3 { c,,,8 c c }
\times 2/3 { r8 c c }
\times 2/3 { r8 r c }
\times 2/3 { c c'' r }
}

Best,
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Re: unwanted barnumber

[Thomas Morley]

2012/11/11 shutterfreak :
> While incorporating this code in another score I came across a layouting
> problem: if the tempo name is sufficiently long, then the first measure
> number will be rendered _above_ the tempo indicator.
>
> This problem only occurs when \omitParenthesizedBarNumbers is invoked in the
> layout block.

Hi Olivier,

try it with:

omitParenthesizedBarNumbers =
\override Score.BarNumber #'before-line-breaking =
#(lambda (grob)
   (let* ((text (ly:grob-property grob 'text))
  (text-arg (caadr text))
  (nmbr? (string->number text-arg)))
 (if (not nmbr?)
 (ly:grob-suicide! grob)
 #f)))


HTH,
  Harm

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Re: aftergrace with pitchedtrill

[Eluze]

Stefan Thomas-5 wrote
> Dear community,
> I'm using version 2.16.0

Trevor complained about:

/But combining pitchedTrill with afterGrace gives a wide and varied
array of warnings and errors, …/

is that still the case with 2.16.0?

Eluze



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Re: unwanted barnumber

[Olivier Biot]

On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:41 PM, Thomas Morley <
thomasmorle...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> 2012/11/11 shutterfreak :
> > While incorporating this code in another score I came across a layouting
> > problem: if the tempo name is sufficiently long, then the first measure
> > number will be rendered _above_ the tempo indicator.
> >
> > This problem only occurs when \omitParenthesizedBarNumbers is invoked in
> the
> > layout block.
>
> Hi Olivier,
>
> try it with:
>
> omitParenthesizedBarNumbers =
> \override Score.BarNumber #'before-line-breaking =
> #(lambda (grob)
>(let* ((text (ly:grob-property grob 'text))
>   (text-arg (caadr text))
>   (nmbr? (string->number text-arg)))
>  (if (not nmbr?)
>  (ly:grob-suicide! grob)
>  #f)))
>
>
> HTH,
>   Harm
>

Hi Thomas,

Thanks again for your help!

Replacing #'after-line-breaking with #'before-line-breaking in
omitParenthesizedBarNumbers did the trick.

Best regards,

Olivier
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Re: Aleatoric / modern notation

[David Nalesnik]

Ben,

On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 4:27 PM, SoundsFromSound
 wrote:
> David,
>
> Thanks for the feedback! It's sad to hear that boxed notation is a bit
> challenging in LilyPond (i.e. not possible without "breaking" parts of it) -
> do you think there will ever be a native, more acceptable way to do boxed
> notation in the future?  I'm not much a programmer so I apologize if that is
> a silly question, but it'd be awesome if it could be implemented.  I'm not
> sure if you mean it's not possible yet, or not possible from a programming
> standpoint.
>

At some point in time, I do hope that there is an interface which will
allow users to define fully functioning grobs within .ly files.  I
think that will be a giant step forward for the program, as it will
lead to all sorts of new capabilities. I can't speak to the details of
how this will be done as this is beyond my skill level.

The current way to create new grobs is to make the necessary additions
to the various files in the code base.  (This is what was done
recently to create the MeasureCounter grob.)

It should be possible to add frame notation this way, but I think it
will be a long road!  (If you do use this engraver, please let me know
if you run into problems or wish it could do something it can't; I'll
be happy to try to improve it, and possibly do this the "right way" if
it's promising...)

Best,
David

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Re: TupletNumber direction

[Thomas Morley]

2012/11/11 Daniel Rosen :
> I can't speak to whether the code is sound, but if it is, this should be 
> added to the LSR. Quite frankly, I'm surprised something similar isn't there 
> already.
>
> DR

Do you really think it's usefull?
As soon as polyphonic occurs, it will produce weird output (I think,
not tested).

-Harm

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RE: TupletNumber direction

[Daniel Rosen]

Well, that's what I meant when I said that I can't speak to whether the code 
was good--I don't know what kind of stuff to check for. But I do personally 
think the functionality is useful.

DR


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From: Thomas Morley [mailto:thomasmorle...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 5:57 PM
To: Daniel Rosen
Cc: David Nalesnik; David Kastrup; lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: TupletNumber direction

2012/11/11 Daniel Rosen :
> I can't speak to whether the code is sound, but if it is, this should be 
> added to the LSR. Quite frankly, I'm surprised something similar isn't there 
> already.
>
> DR

Do you really think it's usefull?
As soon as polyphonic occurs, it will produce weird output (I think, not 
tested).

-Harm

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Re: Lilypond cheat sheet

[Olivier Biot]

Hi Joram,

Thank you for the updates cheat sheet.

As a matter of fact I just printed both cheat sheets on one sheet of paper
and laminated it. Two sides of invaluable LilyPond information :-)

Hint 1: use heavier stock paper when printing double sided.
Hint 2: print borderless for printing the other sheet (pale green
background).

Best regards,

Olivier


On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Noeck  wrote:

> Thank you for all your comments on my cheat sheet[1]!
>
> I included them and spotted some more. Here are the updated versions of
> the English and the German cheat sheet (in svg and pdf format)[2]:
>
> http://joramberger.de/files/lilypond_sheet_en.svg
> http://joramberger.de/files/lilypond_sheet_en.pdf
> http://joramberger.de/files/lilypond_sheet_de.svg
> http://joramberger.de/files/lilypond_sheet_de.pdf
>
> Because there is no script to produce it, but only an svg file, I cannot
> recommend including it in the documentation of LilyPond (just as a
> matter of file size and the reduced diff-ability).
>
> But, not just because I've made it, but especially from a user's point
> of view, I would suggest to make a link from the documentation to the
> cheat sheets of Reinhold Kainhofer (if he agrees) and me. (Perhaps from
> the bottom of this page:
> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/notation/cheat-sheet).
>
> For me personally it is a great help to have a cheat sheet while writing
> scores with LilyPond and I think many users would welcome it, but they
> would never find my website or Reinhold's. Both for beginners and more
> advanced users these could be useful in addition to the above mentioned
> existing cheat sheet of the documentation.
>
> Concerning the question how to update it for new versions:
> The documentation is for 2.16 anyway and a link could be removed in case
> it gets outdated. However, I intend to update it to the next stable
> version as soon as that comes out. But I cannot guarantee that for all
> eternity, though.
>
> Cheers,
> Joram
>
>
>
> [1] I have corrected "Lilypond" to "LilyPond" even though I dislike this
> capital P ;)
>
> [2] The website itself is not there yet, but the files are accessible.
>
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Re: aftergrace with pitchedtrill

[Thomas Morley]

2012/11/11 Eluze :
> Stefan Thomas-5 wrote
>> Dear community,
>> I'm using version 2.16.0
>
> Trevor complained about:
>
> /But combining pitchedTrill with afterGrace gives a wide and varied
> array of warnings and errors, …/
>
> is that still the case with 2.16.0?
>
> Eluze

I tested:

\new Staff {
 \afterGrace
 \pitchedTrill
 fis''2
 \startTrillSpan gis''
  { e''16[ fis''] }
 g''2
 \stopTrillSpan
}

with 2.14.2, 2.16.0 and 2.17.6

No warnings.
Output is always quite equal (some differents in spacing, etc)
->png

@Stefan:
Example?

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Re: Bass and chords

[Thomas Morley]

2012/11/7 David Kastrup :
> Thomas Morley  writes:
>
>> Will do, if noone comes up with a better solution or finds a drawback.
>
> We have markup commands \note and \note-by-number.  It seems to me that
> it would likely be most straightforward to provide the same for \rest
> and possibly \rest-by-number and use that as part of the solution.

Seems you don't like the context-modifications. :)

What should \rest-by-number do, what \musicglyph can't?
Proper output of R1*x?
More?

And how to use it?
Perhaps:
\once \set ChordNames.noChordSymbol = \markup \rest-by-number

?

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Re: aftergrace with pitchedtrill

[Thomas Morley]

2012/11/12 Eric :
> I've had this problem for awhile but in 2.16.0 hit on something that worked
> once. Whether it can be generalized to a _solution_ I don't know. Here's a
> snippet, I hope it helps (it's from a cadenza-like passage in a violin part
> of a quartet (composed ca.1899, published posthumously 1904), f.w.i.w. ...)
>
> \stemNeutral g8[( \times 4/6 {\stemUp a!32 b c d e f)]} \stemNeutral
> \afterGrace \pitchedTrill g2(\fermata\startTrillSpan as { fis16[ g])
> bes4^\markup{\italic"rit."}^^ as^^ g(^^ e!\stopTrillSpan)^^}
>
> Eric Schissel

Adding
\override TrillPitchAccidental #'avoid-slur = #'inside
kills all warnings.

Am I missing sth?

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Re: lilyglyphs 0.2 - First 'official' release

[Thomas Morley]

2012/11/11 Urs Liska :
> Well, nobody stops you from beautifying the revision report as well ;-)
>
> But seriously, if you are looking for something to play with, you can take
> that document too - with credits to Git ...
>
> Best
> Urs
> --
> Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail gesendet.
>
>
>
> "Janek Warchoł"  schrieb:
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Urs Liska  wrote:
>> > I'm happy (and also proud) to be able to announce a new release of my
>> > lilyglyphs LaTeX package.
>> > While I label it version 0.2 I am convinced that it is the first release
>> > that is really useable, so I consider this the initial 'public' release.
>>
>> Congratulations - this is really great work!  I wish i had some LaTeX
>> documents with musical symbols to typeset so that i could play with it
>> :)
>>
>> thanks,
>> Janek
>
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Hi Urs,

btw, I recently wished to link to your LilyPond tutorial, announced here:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2011-08/msg00450.html

Couldn't find it anymore.
Cancelled? Link changed?

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Re: Aleatoric / modern notation

[SoundsFromSound]

David:

I'll keep you posted for sure.  Say, do you suppose that this boxed notation
utility could be implemented sooner (and perhaps with more powerful
features) in LilyPond if funding/support increased?  If so, this is one
feature where I'd absolutely give all that I could to make possible. :) $

Ben



David Nalesnik-2 wrote
> Ben,
> 
> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 4:27 PM, SoundsFromSound
> <

> soundsfromsound@

> > wrote:
>> David,
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback! It's sad to hear that boxed notation is a bit
>> challenging in LilyPond (i.e. not possible without "breaking" parts of
>> it) -
>> do you think there will ever be a native, more acceptable way to do boxed
>> notation in the future?  I'm not much a programmer so I apologize if that
>> is
>> a silly question, but it'd be awesome if it could be implemented.  I'm
>> not
>> sure if you mean it's not possible yet, or not possible from a
>> programming
>> standpoint.
>>
> 
> At some point in time, I do hope that there is an interface which will
> allow users to define fully functioning grobs within .ly files.  I
> think that will be a giant step forward for the program, as it will
> lead to all sorts of new capabilities. I can't speak to the details of
> how this will be done as this is beyond my skill level.
> 
> The current way to create new grobs is to make the necessary additions
> to the various files in the code base.  (This is what was done
> recently to create the MeasureCounter grob.)
> 
> It should be possible to add frame notation this way, but I think it
> will be a long road!  (If you do use this engraver, please let me know
> if you run into problems or wish it could do something it can't; I'll
> be happy to try to improve it, and possibly do this the "right way" if
> it's promising...)
> 
> Best,
> David
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Re: lilyglyphs 0.2 - First 'official' release

[Urs Liska]

Am 12.11.2012 01:15, schrieb Thomas Morley:


Hi Urs,

btw, I recently wished to link to your LilyPond tutorial, announced here:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2011-08/msg00450.html

Couldn't find it anymore.
Cancelled? Link changed?
Ah, it is now at 
http://lilypond.ursliska.de/notensatz/lilypond-tutorials/tackle-complex-tasks.html

I had to clean up my home page in order to offer a more concise profile.

Unfortunately I never had the time to update the tutorial. It is a pity 
that I couldn't incorporate the feedback I got here. And I'm sorry that 
I couldn't re-do it with copyright-free music.


But it's still there, now accessible again, and I'd be thankful about 
any links ;-)


Best
Urs


Thanks,
   Harm

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Re: lilyglyphs 0.2 - First 'official' release

[Thomas Morley]

2012/11/12 Urs Liska :
> Am 12.11.2012 01:15, schrieb Thomas Morley:
>
>>
>> Hi Urs,
>>
>> btw, I recently wished to link to your LilyPond tutorial, announced here:
>> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2011-08/msg00450.html
>>
>> Couldn't find it anymore.
>> Cancelled? Link changed?
>
> Ah, it is now at
> http://lilypond.ursliska.de/notensatz/lilypond-tutorials/tackle-complex-tasks.html
> I had to clean up my home page in order to offer a more concise profile.
>
> Unfortunately I never had the time to update the tutorial. It is a pity that
> I couldn't incorporate the feedback I got here. And I'm sorry that I
> couldn't re-do it with copyright-free music.
>
> But it's still there, now accessible again, and I'd be thankful about any
> links ;-)

See
http://www.lilypondforum.de/index.php?topic=1257.0
together with the cheat sheets.

-Harm

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Re: Optional args in event-function not working with 2.17.6 ?

[Thomas Morley]

2012/11/9 David Kastrup :
> Thomas Morley  writes:
>
>> I was working on
>> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2012-11/msg00185.html
>> and wrote a event-function as a template for custom-script-signs.
>> This function uses some optional arguments and works as expected in 2.16.0
>> But not in 2.17.6
>> What am I missing?
>>
>> newScript =
>> #(define-event-function (parser location lst scaling strg) ((list? '(0
>> 0 0)) (boolean? #f) string?)
>>
>> grave = \newScript #'(-1 0 0) ##t "`"
>> acute = \newScript #'(0 1 0) ##t "´"
>> threePoints = \newScript "…"
>> noName = \newScript "@"
>
> I'd have expected these use cases to work.  However, the interface is a
> bit shaky since a string that can be parsed as a symbol will be
> converted into a list of symbols.  So a string like "a" or "xxx" would
> fit the list? predicate.  How do we get out here?
>
> a) The obvious solution is to use number-list? rather than list? as a
>predicate, and we won't get fed a symbol list.
>
> But the behavior is unexpected, so it might be better to amend it in
> addition.  How to amend it?
>
> b) "…" does not really look like an identifier even though it obeys
> LilyPond's rules for unquoted word syntax.  Only allow ASCII characters
> in things auto-converted into symbol lists.
>
> c) That does not help with "xxx".  Only allow unquoted words to
> autoconvert into symbol lists.  I am actually working on this already
> since I am not satisfied with input/regression/lyric-tweak.ly (writing
> quotes seems like it should be sufficient; having to write \markup seems
> weird).  But I am not finished yet, and it would have warranted getting
> finished before discussion.  I have kept the "changes.tely" entry vague
> enough that it would cover this behavior as well.  Cough cough.
>
> Solution c would make quoted and unquoted strings unequivalent.
> Solution b would stop the equivalence between what can be an unquoted
> word and what can be a symbol.
>
> I am not decided about b.  It would not have helped you much.  You'd
> still have gotten failures, but the problem would likely have been
> easier to recognize.  Possibly with both b and c in place, it would
> become easy to guess what happened in the remaining failure cases.
>
> What do you think?
>
> --
> David Kastrup

Hi David,

sorry replying that late.

a)
My initial function works following your suggestion to use number-list?
or
if changing the string?-predicate to markup? and using \markup "xxx",
with the function-call.
That's nice.
Thanks a lot.

b)
I can't follow all subtleties of your explanations. And also, I can't
imagine all consequences of possible code-changes.
The following is the code I used for testing some alternatives.

\version "2.17.6"

#(define (command l n t)
#{
\once \override NoteHead #'after-line-breaking =
  #(lambda (grob)
(ly:grob-set-property! grob 'stencil
   (grob-interpret-markup grob (markup t)))
(ly:grob-set-property! grob 'font-size n)
(ly:grob-set-property! grob 'color l))
\once \override  Score.TimeSignature #'stencil = ##f
#})

aa =
#(define-music-function (parser location lst size txt)((list? '(1 0
0)) (number? 1) markup?)
(command lst size txt))

bb =
#(define-music-function (parser location lst size txt)((number-list?
'(1 0 0)) (number? 1) string?)
(command lst size txt))

% --- test
\paper { line-width = 30 indent = 0 }

\relative c'' {
\aa #'(0 1 1) #1 \markup "xy"
c1
\aa \markup "xy"
d
% error with (omitting the first argument):
%\aa #3 \markup "xy"
%e
\break
\bb #'(0 1 1) #1 "xy"
c
\bb "xy"
d
% error with (omitting the first argument):
%\bb #4 "xy"
%e
}

Seems to work with both functions.
I'd prefer \bb
i.e using number-list? because in the end it's less typing.
But I'd be happy with both versions.

c)
The functions above are using two optional arguments.
And I'm able to omit both optional arguments or the second.
But I can't omit only the first.
Why?


Regards,
  Harm

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Re: Accidentals with \modalTranspose

[Keith OHara]

Vaughan McAlley  mcalley.net.au> writes:

> I want to notate a modal canon at the fifth. \modalTranspose works
> well until there are accidentals in the original line. Fiddling with
> the scale by adding notes causes problems; what would be nice is to be
> able to specify *two* scales:

\modalTranspose can use modes that contain accidentals, but the underlying
code cannot be easily modified to have two different pitches in the mode 
transpose to the same output pitch.

It looks like the canon uses regular transpositions, but with a few
exceptions (or mistakes? or instances of a former convention for notation?)
where the transposition gives B-flat but B was written.

When there are exceptions to the pattern, I uses LilyPond to generate the
input that obeys the pattern strictly, in the form of text input that I 
can past into the input file
  \displayLilyMusic \transpose g c {\firstCanon }
and then edit the result.



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Re: Square brackets across an entire system?

[Keith OHara]

Aristotle Esguerra  esguerra.info> writes:


> http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Snippet?id=377
> Is there a similar way to create square brackets that span an entire system?
> 

The answer appears to be no, although it would seem to be useful to have.

Drawing one bracket across many staves is more difficult than what the 
existing LSR item does, because the height has to vary depending on the 
space required for the staves.

LilyPond draws span bars across several staves, and has an accessible 
interface to choose what shapes to use for bar lines (in bar-line.scm) 
so a LilyPond user who understands some Scheme could probably make the 
extended brackets, with some effort.



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Re: Version Control and Public Repository

[Stjepan Horvat]

Now thats a useful information..i will ask a lawyer here in croatia and
report what i heard.


On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:33 PM, martinwguy  wrote:

> On 11 November 2012 18:39, Francisco Vila  wrote:
> >> and i transcribed (by ear) many scores i don't have rights for..
> >>
> >> how do you handle this kind of staff..
> >> What are the laws related to such situations?!
> >
> > I think copyright laws are clear, regardless of whether you
> > transcribed it by ear or photocopied it, you can not publish material
> > you don't own the rights of.
>
> That's a simplistic play-it-safe position, but in reality copyright
> laws are different in every country and cover different situations in
> different ways.
>
> The term for derivative works of music that do not directly reuse
> another person's performance, which includes cover versions and new
> typesettings of sheet music, is "Mechanical license" and in the US you
> have the right to do this, whether or not the owner of the copyright
> of the original score or of a particular performance want you to or
> not, on payment of a small fee that is calculateda according to some
> tables ($15 per song + a cut of the profits, if any), managed through
> a central agency.
>
> In other legal giurisdictions, different laws apply.
>
> See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_license for further details.
>
> M
>
> No, I'm not a lawyer either.
>



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