Re: musescore

[Phil Burfitt]

From: "Marc Mouries" 

I like however the page that allows to sync scores with youtube videos.
Check it out it's really nice. http://musescore.com/node/855


-- Marc



Any idea how they do that ?

Phil.







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Re: Odd output

[Phil Holmes]

- Original Message - 
From: "Marco Correia" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:35 AM
Subject: Odd output



Hi,

I just started using lilypond, so it is very possible that I'm making some
mistake.

When compiling this example:

\include "english.ly"
{
\clef treble
\time 4/4
<<
{ fs'4 }
\\
{ f'4 }



}

I see two notes on fs (occupying the same position but with stems up and
down). There is no indication that f is there.

Is this supposed to/ how do I fix it?

Thanks!
Marco

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This was one of the first issues I raised, in June this year.  I think it 
was my first bug report:


http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1134


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Re: Tremolo beams between more than two notes

[Phil Holmes]

- Original Message - 
From: "Reinhold Kainhofer" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 1:26 AM
Subject: Re: Tremolo beams between more than two notes



Am Mittwoch, 8. Dezember 2010, um 15:22:57 schrieb Phil Holmes:

Yes - the code gets confused as the breves get higher:

\version "2.13.41"

\relative c' {
  \repeat "tremolo" 4 { f16 a d a }
  \repeat "tremolo" 4 { a16 b e b }
  \repeat "tremolo" 4 { b d f d }
}

You want a bug report, Reinhold?


Yes. Note, however, that this also happens with two-note tremolos:

\version "2.13.41"

\relative c' {
 \repeat "tremolo" 8 { f16 b }
 \repeat "tremolo" 8 { b16 e }
 \repeat "tremolo" 8 { d16 g }
 \repeat "tremolo" 8 { f16 b }
}

Console output is:
Processing `trem.ly'
Parsing...
Interpreting music...
Preprocessing graphical objects...
programming error: Grob direction requested while calculation in progress.
continuing, cross fingers
programming error: Grob direction requested while calculation in progress.
continuing, cross fingers
Finding the ideal number of pages...
Fitting music on 1 page...
Drawing systems...
trem.ly:6:24: warning: weird stem size, check for narrow beams
 \repeat "tremolo" 8 {
   d16 g }
Layout output to `trem.ps'...
Converting to `./trem.pdf'...


That problem also appears in 2.12.x, so it hasn't crept in recently...

Cheers,
Reinhold


http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1444


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Re: problem with compillation of a large file

[Jonathan Kulp]

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Stefan Thomas
 wrote:
> Dear community,
> I have a proplem with a large score.
> When I run lilypond, I get at the end the error message
> Preprocessing graphical objects...:9:110: In procedure
> procedure-name in expression (procedure-name stil-proc):
>>
>> :9:110: Wrong type argument in position 1: #f
>
> I can compile without problems all the parts of the score, but not the score
> itself.
> I also tried it with
> export LILYPOND_GC_YIELD=10
> but without any success.
> The strange thing is:
> with the same machine I could compile the same file without problems, just a
> few months ago.
> I don't understand this ...
>

If you'd like to post an archive of the source files somewhere (or
email it privately) I'd be happy to test it on my machine.

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Re: musescore

[Marc Mouries]

it's explained here: http://screenr.com/3L0

On Dec 10, 2010, at 3:32 AM, Phil Burfitt wrote:

>> From: "Marc Mouries" 
>> 
>> I like however the page that allows to sync scores with youtube videos.
>> Check it out it's really nice. http://musescore.com/node/855
>> 
>> 
>> -- Marc
>> 
> 
> Any idea how they do that ?
> 
> Phil.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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music fit on page, new item found in 2.13.42

[胡海鹏 - Hu Haipeng]

Hello,
  I just downloaded 2.13.42. When making parts, I see the log file has a new 
thing. There are still many "couldn't fit music on page" if I use normal staff 
size, but after that, a "compressing music to fit" message is added. Does it 
mean I will be no longer worried about music fitting problem?
Regards
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Re: musescore

[Jan Nieuwenhuizen]

Christopher Meredith schreef op do 09-12-2010 om 14:36 [-0600]:

Hi Christopher,

> I'm not sure that's the link you intended to include. It just goes to
> the MuseScore website. 

Yes, I was a bit quick with this message.  What I meant was the
"share yours" aspect of it -- although I imagined that it was
more wiki-like than it actually is.

Greetings, Jan

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Re: musescore

[Mike Blackstock]

I have around 2800 FB friends, nearly all of them musicians, and I plan to
do some Lilypond advocacy - hence my friend request. I'll need some 'backup'
debaters/advisors etc. and  so if anybody would like to send me a friend
request, well the more the merrier. I think we can get quite a few converts
if we plan it right. Some kind of facebook lilypond app would help - I'm
thinking of a stripped down version of omet.ca (For those interested, it's
easy to just put a pre--existing webpage/webapp into a facebook iframe -
it's that simple). Just a thought.

M.

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:49 AM, Jan Nieuwenhuizen  wrote:

> This is smart pr
>
>
> http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmusescore.org%2Fen%2Fabout%2Ftestimonials&h=cd3b2
>
> also note they have 1500 fans on #fb today!
>
> Greetings, Jan
>
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Re: Odd output

[Tim McNamara]

Isn't there a >> missing to pair with the << ?

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Re: Odd output

[Marc Mouries]

You get 2 stems because you created 2 voices with the signs "<<" and \\
see 
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond/Multiple-voices.html

What are you trying to compose?

 
On Dec 9, 2010, at 7:35 PM, Marco Correia wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I just started using lilypond, so it is very possible that I'm making some 
> mistake.
> 
> When compiling this example:
> 
> \include "english.ly"
> {
> \clef treble
> \time 4/4
> <<
> { fs'4 } 
> \\ 
> { f'4 } 
>>> 
> }
> 
> I see two notes on fs (occupying the same position but with stems up and 
> down). There is no indication that f is there.
> 
> Is this supposed to/ how do I fix it? 
> 
> Thanks!
> Marco
> 
> -- 
> Marco Correia 
> 
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Re: musescore

[Christopher Meredith]

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 4:49 AM, Jan Nieuwenhuizen  wrote:

> This is smart pr
>
>
> http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmusescore.org%2Fen%2Fabout%2Ftestimonials&h=cd3b2
>
> also note they have 1500 fans on #fb today!
>
> Greetings, Jan
>

I'm not sure that's the link you intended to include. It just goes to the
MuseScore website.
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Re: How to parenthesize a time signature

[Jonathan Wilkes]

Thanks Carl, that's exactly what I was looking for.

Something I tried naively at first:
\parenthesize
\time 4/4

But \parenthesize seems only to work for notes, rests, and chords.

-Jonathan


--- On Fri, 12/10/10, Carl Sorensen  wrote:

> From: Carl Sorensen 
> Subject: Re: How to parenthesize a time signature
> To: "Mark Polesky" , "lilypond-user@gnu.org" 
> , "Jonathan Wilkes" 
> Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 1:06 AM
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/9/10 8:28 AM, "Mark Polesky" 
> wrote:
> 
> > Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
> >> Is there a quick way to parenthesize a simple
> time
> >> signature?
> > 
> > There's a quick way to bracketify a time signature:
> > http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=169
> > 
> > To get real parentheses requires a little more
> tweaking.
> > Maybe someone who has already done this will chime
> in.  If
> > not, I don't have time right now, but someone could
> tweak
> > the idea in this post to accomplish it:
> > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2009-05/msg00401.html
> > 
> \version "2.13.42"
> 
> \relative c'' {
>   \override Staff.TimeSignature #'stencil = #(lambda
> (grob)
>     (parenthesize-stencil
> (ly:time-signature::print grob) 0.1 0.4 0.4 0.1 ))
>   \time 2/4
>   a4 b8 c
> }
> 
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Carl
> 
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Re: musescore

[Jan Nieuwenhuizen]

Mike Blackstock schreef op do 09-12-2010 om 17:06 [-0800]:

Hi Mike,

> I have around 2800 FB friends, nearly all of them musicians, and I
> plan to do some Lilypond advocacy - hence my friend request. I'll need
> some 'backup' debaters/advisors etc. and  so if anybody would like to
> send me a friend request, well the more the merrier. I think we can
> get quite a few converts if we plan it right. Some kind of facebook
> lilypond app would help - I'm thinking of a stripped down version of
> omet.ca (For those interested, it's easy to just put a pre--existing
> webpage/webapp into a facebook iframe - it's that simple). Just a
> thought.

Great talking to you. Yes, we can surely do with some free music
software pr.  Great stuff also being done by
http://scorio.org (and even http://etudeapp.com ).  

Also I've taken a small stride into the idea of a gui client for
LilyPond (http://lilypond.org/schikkers-list ); we'll see when I
find the time to develop that further.

Greetings, Jan

> M.
> 
> On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:49 AM, Jan Nieuwenhuizen 
> wrote:
> This is smart pr
> 
>http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmusescore.org%
> 2Fen%2Fabout%2Ftestimonials&h=cd3b2
> 
> also note they have 1500 fans on #fb today!
> 
> Greetings, Jan
> 
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Re: Odd output

[Marco Correia]

Thanks!

I can't believe that this is seen as a low priority enhancement...! This 
completely renders lilypond unusable for the task I need it, which is to serve 
as a printer for computer generated music. The output is not ugly - it is 
plain wrong!

Why doesn't the accidental_engraver looks into other voices as well?

Maybe I can workaround it by doing an extra pass before writing the lilypond 
code to check if this kind of problem may occur... But now I wonder what other 
kind of potential problems may occur with this accidental_engraver 
algorithm...

Anyway, I just wanted to say that I think this problem deserves more 
consideration.

Thank you!
Marco

On Friday 10 December 2010, you wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "Marco Correia" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:35 AM
> Subject: Odd output
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I just started using lilypond, so it is very possible that I'm making
> > some mistake.
> > 
> > When compiling this example:
> > 
> > \include "english.ly"
> > {
> > \clef treble
> > \time 4/4
> > <<
> > { fs'4 }
> > \\
> > { f'4 }
> > 
> > }
> > 
> > I see two notes on fs (occupying the same position but with stems up and
> > down). There is no indication that f is there.
> > 
> > Is this supposed to/ how do I fix it?
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > Marco
> 
> This was one of the first issues I raised, in June this year.  I think it
> was my first bug report:
> 
> http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1134
> 
> 
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Re: musescore

[Paul Thompson]

I prepared a simple lilypond example which shows some simple things.  I can 
send 
that to you or others if you were interested.  It uses lilypond within LaTeX to 
show the simple stuff using a famous tune, plus it gets a little more elaborate.

I only include attachments if people request them, so if you are interested, 
let 
me know.

 Paul Thompson






From: Mike Blackstock 
To: Jan Nieuwenhuizen 
Cc: lilypond-user ; lilypond-devel 

Sent: Thu, December 9, 2010 7:06:33 PM
Subject: Re: musescore

I have around 2800 FB friends, nearly all of them musicians, and I plan to do 
some Lilypond advocacy - hence my friend request. I'll need some 'backup' 
debaters/advisors etc. and  so if anybody would like to send me a friend 
request, well the more the merrier. I think we can get quite a few converts if 
we plan it right. Some kind of facebook lilypond app would help - I'm thinking 
of a stripped down version of omet.ca (For those interested, it's easy to just 
put a pre--existing webpage/webapp into a facebook iframe - it's that simple). 
Just a thought.

M.


On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:49 AM, Jan Nieuwenhuizen  wrote:

This is smart pr
>
>  
> http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmusescore.org%2Fen%2Fabout%2Ftestimonials&h=cd3b2
>
>
>also note they have 1500 fans on #fb today!
>
>Greetings, Jan
>
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Re: Odd output

[Phil Holmes]

Please reply to the user group as well.

As is often pointed out, it's free software and the fixes depend on who is 
working for nothing on the code.


I wouldn't think it would crop up frequently.

I made a workaround with a combination of forcing the accidentals to be 
displayed, and then using force-hshift and extra-offset and a few other 
tweaks to make it work.


My example is pretty complicated, because I also autogenerate the code, but 
you're welcome to a copy if you want.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Marco Correia" 

To: "Phil Holmes" 
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: Odd output



Thanks!

I can't believe that this is seen as a low priority enhancement...! This
completely renders lilypond unusable for the task I need it, which is to 
serve

as a printer for computer generated music. The output is not ugly - it is
plain wrong!

Why doesn't the accidental_engraver looks into other voices as well?

Maybe I can workaround it by doing an extra pass before writing the 
lilypond
code to check if this kind of problem may occur... But now I wonder what 
other

kind of potential problems may occur with this accidental_engraver
algorithm...

Anyway, I just wanted to say that I think this problem deserves more
consideration.

Thank you!
Marco

On Friday 10 December 2010, you wrote:

- Original Message -
From: "Marco Correia" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:35 AM
Subject: Odd output

> Hi,
>
> I just started using lilypond, so it is very possible that I'm making
> some mistake.
>
> When compiling this example:
>
> \include "english.ly"
> {
> \clef treble
> \time 4/4
> <<
> { fs'4 }
> \\
> { f'4 }
>
> }
>
> I see two notes on fs (occupying the same position but with stems up 
> and

> down). There is no indication that f is there.
>
> Is this supposed to/ how do I fix it?
>
> Thanks!
> Marco

This was one of the first issues I raised, in June this year.  I think it
was my first bug report:

http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1134


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Re: lilypond cameo

[James]

Hello

On 10/12/2010 07:43, Jan Warchoł wrote:

Seriously though, have you considered changing the default font for chords?


Oh yes, but only to make it smaller, I prefer mine '12% smaller' than 
default, but the 'sans' font I think, is how chord names should be 
displayed.


I know it's a preference and I don't think the feta font has anything to 
do with it - at least from my perspective - but more than when you have 
a lead sheet or a score with chords on it plus all the other 'gumpf' 
that is usually in a serif font (title, composer, arranger, tempo, dim.. 
cresc.. etc) they blend in when they are anything but sans.


When I see serif used for chord names it's like someone using 'zapf 
chancery' for body text because it's 'fancy' :)


Although I have to say I have seen chord names in 'comic sans' on 
printed material I have played in my Wind Band and actually while that 
sounds dreadful, when you're playing some old time rag or an old 
traditional song that's about 'jolly' things, comic sans chord names 
seem some how apt!


Have fun

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Re: How to parenthesize a time signature

[James]

Jonathan,

On 10/12/2010 03:41, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:

But \parenthesize seems only to work for notes, rests, and chords.


Yes this feature was introduced in 2.13.x.

You are using 2.12.x I see?

So you have the option of using what is in the LSR or using the 
'unstable' to 2.13.41 or 42 and using that.



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Re: Odd output

[Michael Ellis]

Why not set one of the notes to a different enharmonic pitch?  It's
certainly much kinder to the musician who's trying to play the composition.

 \include "english.ly"
{
\clef treble
\time 4/4
<<
{ fs'4 }
\\
{ es'4 }
>>
}


Cheers,
Mike


On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Phil Holmes  wrote:

> Please reply to the user group as well.
>
> As is often pointed out, it's free software and the fixes depend on who is
> working for nothing on the code.
>
> I wouldn't think it would crop up frequently.
>
> I made a workaround with a combination of forcing the accidentals to be
> displayed, and then using force-hshift and extra-offset and a few other
> tweaks to make it work.
>
> My example is pretty complicated, because I also autogenerate the code, but
> you're welcome to a copy if you want.
>
> --
> Phil Holmes
>
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Marco Correia" <
> marco.v.corr...@gmail.com>
> To: "Phil Holmes" 
> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 10:29 AM
> Subject: Re: Odd output
>
>
>  Thanks!
>>
>> I can't believe that this is seen as a low priority enhancement...! This
>> completely renders lilypond unusable for the task I need it, which is to
>> serve
>> as a printer for computer generated music. The output is not ugly - it is
>> plain wrong!
>>
>> Why doesn't the accidental_engraver looks into other voices as well?
>>
>> Maybe I can workaround it by doing an extra pass before writing the
>> lilypond
>> code to check if this kind of problem may occur... But now I wonder what
>> other
>> kind of potential problems may occur with this accidental_engraver
>> algorithm...
>>
>> Anyway, I just wanted to say that I think this problem deserves more
>> consideration.
>>
>> Thank you!
>> Marco
>>
>> On Friday 10 December 2010, you wrote:
>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Marco Correia" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:35 AM
>>> Subject: Odd output
>>>
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > I just started using lilypond, so it is very possible that I'm making
>>> > some mistake.
>>> >
>>> > When compiling this example:
>>> >
>>> > \include "english.ly"
>>> > {
>>> > \clef treble
>>> > \time 4/4
>>> > <<
>>> > { fs'4 }
>>> > \\
>>> > { f'4 }
>>> >
>>> > }
>>> >
>>> > I see two notes on fs (occupying the same position but with stems up >
>>> and
>>> > down). There is no indication that f is there.
>>> >
>>> > Is this supposed to/ how do I fix it?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks!
>>> > Marco
>>>
>>> This was one of the first issues I raised, in June this year.  I think it
>>> was my first bug report:
>>>
>>> http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1134
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Phil Holmes
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Marco Correia 
>>
>>
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Re: How to parenthesize a time signature

[Éditions IN NOMINE]

Hi !

This coould be seen as a special time signature.
I've been recently told (forgive me, you who told me : I can't  remmeber 
who you were, anyway some great person :-D ) how to mix a glyph and a 
time,signature : you could probably adapt this trick (I couldn't ! :'( ).


\version "2.13"
%% Define a function to display custom time signatures
#(define ((double-time-signature glyph a b) grob)
  (grob-interpret-markup grob
 (markup #:override '(baseline-skip . 2.5) #:number
 (#:line ((markup (#:fontsize 4 
#:musicglyph glyph))
  (#:fontsize -1 #:column (a 
b)))

\score {
\relative c'' {
\override Score.TimeSignature #'stencil =  #(double-time-signature  
"timesig.mensural64" "3" "2")

\time 3/2
c2. c2 d4 e2. d c2 e4 d2 d4 c1. \bar "|."
}
}


Best regards

JMarc


James a écrit :

Jonathan,

On 10/12/2010 03:41, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:

But \parenthesize seems only to work for notes, rests, and chords.


Yes this feature was introduced in 2.13.x.

You are using 2.12.x I see?

So you have the option of using what is in the LSR or using the 
'unstable' to 2.13.41 or 42 and using that.



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Re: Odd output

[Phil Holmes]

If you check, you'll see that there's an F# and an Fnat in different voices, 
but they're not shown as separate notes.  It's a bug I reported earlier this 
year.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Marc Mouries" 

To: "Marco Correia" 
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 3:18 AM
Subject: Re: Odd output


You get 2 stems because you created 2 voices with the signs "<<" and \\
see 
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond/Multiple-voices.html


What are you trying to compose?


On Dec 9, 2010, at 7:35 PM, Marco Correia wrote:


Hi,

I just started using lilypond, so it is very possible that I'm making some
mistake.

When compiling this example:

\include "english.ly"
{
\clef treble
\time 4/4
<<
{ fs'4 }
\\
{ f'4 }



}

I see two notes on fs (occupying the same position but with stems up and
down). There is no indication that f is there.

Is this supposed to/ how do I fix it?

Thanks!
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Re: Odd output

[Phil Holmes]

As I replied in my direct reply - because it's not right.  I asked a friend who 
teaches music about the Mikado problem I had and he said:

"Key- C major

Bass note pedals - C-G C-G etc.

Chord in Bar 1 G7 (G B D Fnat = dominant 7th); Chord in Bar 2 C major (CEG)

Each bar has a melody which uses AGF# G with the F# as a chromatical altered 
note (lower auxiliary between the 2 Gs) and therefore clashes (to create 
interest) with both chords.

Each sounds fine on their own but looks illogical as a whole.

If you can convince LilyPond that the accidentals are in different voices in 
the piano part then I would hope it would work.   You could but shouldn't 
use a Gb not a F# as the first chordsis a G chord."

Note his final comment - could use a Gb but shouldn't.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Michael Ellis 
  To: LilyPond User Group 
  Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 5:18 PM
  Subject: Re: Odd output


  Why not set one of the notes to a different enharmonic pitch?  It's certainly 
much kinder to the musician who's trying to play the composition.


   \include "english.ly"
  {
  \clef treble
  \time 4/4
  <<
  { fs'4 }
  \\
  { es'4 }
  >>
  }



  Cheers,
  Mike



  On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Phil Holmes  wrote:

Please reply to the user group as well.

As is often pointed out, it's free software and the fixes depend on who is 
working for nothing on the code.

I wouldn't think it would crop up frequently.

I made a workaround with a combination of forcing the accidentals to be 
displayed, and then using force-hshift and extra-offset and a few other tweaks 
to make it work.

My example is pretty complicated, because I also autogenerate the code, but 
you're welcome to a copy if you want.

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- Original Message - From: "Marco Correia" 


To: "Phil Holmes" 
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: Odd output



  Thanks!

  I can't believe that this is seen as a low priority enhancement...! This
  completely renders lilypond unusable for the task I need it, which is to 
serve
  as a printer for computer generated music. The output is not ugly - it is
  plain wrong!

  Why doesn't the accidental_engraver looks into other voices as well?

  Maybe I can workaround it by doing an extra pass before writing the 
lilypond
  code to check if this kind of problem may occur... But now I wonder what 
other
  kind of potential problems may occur with this accidental_engraver
  algorithm...

  Anyway, I just wanted to say that I think this problem deserves more
  consideration.

  Thank you!
  Marco

  On Friday 10 December 2010, you wrote:

- Original Message -
From: "Marco Correia" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:35 AM
Subject: Odd output

> Hi,
>
> I just started using lilypond, so it is very possible that I'm making
> some mistake.
>
> When compiling this example:
>
> \include "english.ly"
> {
> \clef treble
> \time 4/4
> <<
> { fs'4 }
> \\
> { f'4 }
>
> }
>
> I see two notes on fs (occupying the same position but with stems up 
> and
> down). There is no indication that f is there.
>
> Is this supposed to/ how do I fix it?
>
> Thanks!
> Marco


This was one of the first issues I raised, in June this year.  I think 
it
was my first bug report:

http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1134


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Re: Odd output

[James Bailey]

Because spelling counts! D# and E♭may sound the same (on a tempered instrument) 
but they are two very different notes. And an performer playing an instrument 
that can distinguish between the two, should.


On Dec 10, 2010, at 6:18 PM, Michael Ellis wrote:

> Why not set one of the notes to a different enharmonic pitch?  It's certainly 
> much kinder to the musician who's trying to play the composition.
> 
>  \include "english.ly"
> {
> \clef treble
> \time 4/4
> <<
> { fs'4 }
> \\
> { es'4 }
> >>
> }
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Mike
> 
> 
> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Phil Holmes  wrote:
> Please reply to the user group as well.
> 
> As is often pointed out, it's free software and the fixes depend on who is 
> working for nothing on the code.
> 
> I wouldn't think it would crop up frequently.
> 
> I made a workaround with a combination of forcing the accidentals to be 
> displayed, and then using force-hshift and extra-offset and a few other 
> tweaks to make it work.
> 
> My example is pretty complicated, because I also autogenerate the code, but 
> you're welcome to a copy if you want.
> 
> --
> Phil Holmes
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Marco Correia" 
> To: "Phil Holmes" 
> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 10:29 AM
> Subject: Re: Odd output
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> I can't believe that this is seen as a low priority enhancement...! This
> completely renders lilypond unusable for the task I need it, which is to serve
> as a printer for computer generated music. The output is not ugly - it is
> plain wrong!
> 
> Why doesn't the accidental_engraver looks into other voices as well?
> 
> Maybe I can workaround it by doing an extra pass before writing the lilypond
> code to check if this kind of problem may occur... But now I wonder what other
> kind of potential problems may occur with this accidental_engraver
> algorithm...
> 
> Anyway, I just wanted to say that I think this problem deserves more
> consideration.
> 
> Thank you!
> Marco
> 
> On Friday 10 December 2010, you wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "Marco Correia" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:35 AM
> Subject: Odd output
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I just started using lilypond, so it is very possible that I'm making
> > some mistake.
> >
> > When compiling this example:
> >
> > \include "english.ly"
> > {
> > \clef treble
> > \time 4/4
> > <<
> > { fs'4 }
> > \\
> > { f'4 }
> >
> > }
> >
> > I see two notes on fs (occupying the same position but with stems up > and
> > down). There is no indication that f is there.
> >
> > Is this supposed to/ how do I fix it?
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Marco
> 
> This was one of the first issues I raised, in June this year.  I think it
> was my first bug report:
> 
> http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1134
> 
> 
> --
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Marco Correia 
> 
> 
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Re: Odd output

[Michael Ellis]

Your friend is absolutely correct for that particular case.  Sullivan chose
the lesser of two evils. Misspelling the dominant chord would have been
confusing to the pianist and spelling the vocal line as A G Gb G would have
looked weird to the singer.  My response was directed to the original
example which doesn't give enough context to justify the F#/Fnat relation
musically.

Cheers,
Mike


On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Phil Holmes  wrote:

>  As I replied in my direct reply - because it's not right.  I asked a
> friend who teaches music about the Mikado problem I had and he said:
>
> "Key- C major
>
> Bass note pedals - C-G C-G etc.
>
> Chord in Bar 1 G7 (G B D Fnat = dominant 7th); Chord in Bar 2 C major (CEG)
>
> Each bar has a melody which uses AGF# G with the F# as a chromatical
> altered
> note (lower auxiliary between the 2 Gs) and therefore clashes (to create
> interest) with both chords.
>
> Each sounds fine on their own but looks illogical as a whole.
>
> If you can convince LilyPond that the accidentals are in different voices
> in
> the piano part then I would hope it would work.   You could but shouldn't
> use a Gb not a F# as the first chordsis a G chord."
>
> Note his final comment - could use a Gb but shouldn't.
>
> --
> Phil Holmes
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Michael Ellis 
> *To:* LilyPond User Group 
> *Sent:* Friday, December 10, 2010 5:18 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Odd output
>
> Why not set one of the notes to a different enharmonic pitch?  It's
> certainly much kinder to the musician who's trying to play the composition.
>
>  \include "english.ly"
> {
> \clef treble
> \time 4/4
> <<
> { fs'4 }
> \\
> { es'4 }
> >>
> }
>
>
> Cheers,
> Mike
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Phil Holmes  wrote:
>
>> Please reply to the user group as well.
>>
>> As is often pointed out, it's free software and the fixes depend on who is
>> working for nothing on the code.
>>
>> I wouldn't think it would crop up frequently.
>>
>> I made a workaround with a combination of forcing the accidentals to be
>> displayed, and then using force-hshift and extra-offset and a few other
>> tweaks to make it work.
>>
>> My example is pretty complicated, because I also autogenerate the code,
>> but you're welcome to a copy if you want.
>>
>> --
>> Phil Holmes
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Marco Correia" <
>> marco.v.corr...@gmail.com>
>> To: "Phil Holmes" 
>> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 10:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: Odd output
>>
>>
>>  Thanks!
>>>
>>> I can't believe that this is seen as a low priority enhancement...! This
>>> completely renders lilypond unusable for the task I need it, which is to
>>> serve
>>> as a printer for computer generated music. The output is not ugly - it is
>>> plain wrong!
>>>
>>> Why doesn't the accidental_engraver looks into other voices as well?
>>>
>>> Maybe I can workaround it by doing an extra pass before writing the
>>> lilypond
>>> code to check if this kind of problem may occur... But now I wonder what
>>> other
>>> kind of potential problems may occur with this accidental_engraver
>>> algorithm...
>>>
>>> Anyway, I just wanted to say that I think this problem deserves more
>>> consideration.
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>> Marco
>>>
>>> On Friday 10 December 2010, you wrote:
>>>
 - Original Message -
 From: "Marco Correia" 
 To: 
 Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:35 AM
 Subject: Odd output

 > Hi,
 >
 > I just started using lilypond, so it is very possible that I'm making
 > some mistake.
 >
 > When compiling this example:
 >
 > \include "english.ly"
 > {
 > \clef treble
 > \time 4/4
 > <<
 > { fs'4 }
 > \\
 > { f'4 }
 >
 > }
 >
 > I see two notes on fs (occupying the same position but with stems up >
 and
 > down). There is no indication that f is there.
 >
 > Is this supposed to/ how do I fix it?
 >
 > Thanks!
 > Marco

 This was one of the first issues I raised, in June this year.  I think
 it
 was my first bug report:

 http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1134


 --
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>>
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Re: Odd output

[Michael Ellis]

Yes! Spelling does count because poorly spelled music is much harder to
read. I'm somewhat less convinced regarding sonic differences on untempered
instruments because the matter is more complicated than that, e.g G# as the
leading tone to A is different from G# as the third of E. In practice, it
comes down to the performer's ear to make those distinctions.  So, for me at
least, readability is the primary consideration.   For those who care about
such things, here's a link to the best article I've seen on the subject.
It's by Bert Ligon, head of the Jazz Studies department at the University of
South CarolinaCollege of Music.

MUSIC SPELL CHECK? PURPOSEFUL
ACCIDENTALS

Cheers,
Mike


On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 12:55 PM, James Bailey
wrote:

> Because spelling counts! D# and E♭may* sound* the same (on a tempered
> instrument) but they are two very different notes. And an performer playing
> an instrument that can distinguish between the two, should.
>
>
> On Dec 10, 2010, at 6:18 PM, Michael Ellis wrote:
>
> Why not set one of the notes to a different enharmonic pitch?  It's
> certainly much kinder to the musician who's trying to play the composition.
>
>  \include "english.ly"
> {
> \clef treble
> \time 4/4
> <<
> { fs'4 }
> \\
> { es'4 }
> >>
> }
>
>
> Cheers,
> Mike
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Phil Holmes  wrote:
>
>> Please reply to the user group as well.
>>
>> As is often pointed out, it's free software and the fixes depend on who is
>> working for nothing on the code.
>>
>> I wouldn't think it would crop up frequently.
>>
>> I made a workaround with a combination of forcing the accidentals to be
>> displayed, and then using force-hshift and extra-offset and a few other
>> tweaks to make it work.
>>
>> My example is pretty complicated, because I also autogenerate the code,
>> but you're welcome to a copy if you want.
>>
>> --
>> Phil Holmes
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Marco Correia" <
>> marco.v.corr...@gmail.com>
>> To: "Phil Holmes" 
>> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 10:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: Odd output
>>
>>
>>  Thanks!
>>>
>>> I can't believe that this is seen as a low priority enhancement...! This
>>> completely renders lilypond unusable for the task I need it, which is to
>>> serve
>>> as a printer for computer generated music. The output is not ugly - it is
>>> plain wrong!
>>>
>>> Why doesn't the accidental_engraver looks into other voices as well?
>>>
>>> Maybe I can workaround it by doing an extra pass before writing the
>>> lilypond
>>> code to check if this kind of problem may occur... But now I wonder what
>>> other
>>> kind of potential problems may occur with this accidental_engraver
>>> algorithm...
>>>
>>> Anyway, I just wanted to say that I think this problem deserves more
>>> consideration.
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>> Marco
>>>
>>> On Friday 10 December 2010, you wrote:
>>>
 - Original Message -
 From: "Marco Correia" 
 To: 
 Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:35 AM
 Subject: Odd output

 > Hi,
 >
 > I just started using lilypond, so it is very possible that I'm making
 > some mistake.
 >
 > When compiling this example:
 >
 > \include "english.ly"
 > {
 > \clef treble
 > \time 4/4
 > <<
 > { fs'4 }
 > \\
 > { f'4 }
 >
 > }
 >
 > I see two notes on fs (occupying the same position but with stems up >
 and
 > down). There is no indication that f is there.
 >
 > Is this supposed to/ how do I fix it?
 >
 > Thanks!
 > Marco

 This was one of the first issues I raised, in June this year.  I think
 it
 was my first bug report:

 http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1134


 --
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Marco Correia 
>>>
>>>
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Re: Odd output

[James Bailey]

I'd say it's up to more than just the performer's ear to make the distinction. 
If you spend much time listening to music where enharmonic notes are rounded to 
a median, the ability of the listener/performer to distinguish the difference 
diminishes. So the audience is just as at fault at not hearing the difference 
between our enharmonic notes as the performers.

 
On Dec 10, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Michael Ellis wrote:

> Yes! Spelling does count because poorly spelled music is much harder to read. 
> I'm somewhat less convinced regarding sonic differences on untempered 
> instruments because the matter is more complicated than that, e.g G# as the 
> leading tone to A is different from G# as the third of E. In practice, it 
> comes down to the performer's ear to make those distinctions.  So, for me at 
> least, readability is the primary consideration.   For those who care about 
> such things, here's a link to the best article I've seen on the subject. It's 
> by Bert Ligon, head of the Jazz Studies department at the University of South 
> CarolinaCollege of Music.
> 
> MUSIC SPELL CHECK? PURPOSEFUL ACCIDENTALS
> 
> Cheers,
> Mike
> 
> 
> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 12:55 PM, James Bailey  
> wrote:
> Because spelling counts! D# and E♭may sound the same (on a tempered 
> instrument) but they are two very different notes. And an performer playing 
> an instrument that can distinguish between the two, should.
> 
> 
> On Dec 10, 2010, at 6:18 PM, Michael Ellis wrote:
> 
>> Why not set one of the notes to a different enharmonic pitch?  It's 
>> certainly much kinder to the musician who's trying to play the composition.
>> 
>>  \include "english.ly"
>> {
>> \clef treble
>> \time 4/4
>> <<
>> { fs'4 }
>> \\
>> { es'4 }
>> >>
>> }
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Phil Holmes  wrote:
>> Please reply to the user group as well.
>> 
>> As is often pointed out, it's free software and the fixes depend on who is 
>> working for nothing on the code.
>> 
>> I wouldn't think it would crop up frequently.
>> 
>> I made a workaround with a combination of forcing the accidentals to be 
>> displayed, and then using force-hshift and extra-offset and a few other 
>> tweaks to make it work.
>> 
>> My example is pretty complicated, because I also autogenerate the code, but 
>> you're welcome to a copy if you want.
>> 
>> --
>> Phil Holmes
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Marco Correia" 
>> 
>> To: "Phil Holmes" 
>> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 10:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: Odd output
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> I can't believe that this is seen as a low priority enhancement...! This
>> completely renders lilypond unusable for the task I need it, which is to 
>> serve
>> as a printer for computer generated music. The output is not ugly - it is
>> plain wrong!
>> 
>> Why doesn't the accidental_engraver looks into other voices as well?
>> 
>> Maybe I can workaround it by doing an extra pass before writing the lilypond
>> code to check if this kind of problem may occur... But now I wonder what 
>> other
>> kind of potential problems may occur with this accidental_engraver
>> algorithm...
>> 
>> Anyway, I just wanted to say that I think this problem deserves more
>> consideration.
>> 
>> Thank you!
>> Marco
>> 
>> On Friday 10 December 2010, you wrote:
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Marco Correia" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:35 AM
>> Subject: Odd output
>> 
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I just started using lilypond, so it is very possible that I'm making
>> > some mistake.
>> >
>> > When compiling this example:
>> >
>> > \include "english.ly"
>> > {
>> > \clef treble
>> > \time 4/4
>> > <<
>> > { fs'4 }
>> > \\
>> > { f'4 }
>> >
>> > }
>> >
>> > I see two notes on fs (occupying the same position but with stems up > and
>> > down). There is no indication that f is there.
>> >
>> > Is this supposed to/ how do I fix it?
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> > Marco
>> 
>> This was one of the first issues I raised, in June this year.  I think it
>> was my first bug report:
>> 
>> http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1134
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Phil Holmes
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Marco Correia 
>> 
>> 
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Troubles with LilypondTool

[George_]

I'm not sure whether this is the right place to post this.

I've got an issue with the pdf previewer that comes with LilypondTool. When
I open jEdit and start typing, it looks fine. However, as soon as I use
jEdit to compile the text, the viewer starts doing weird things:

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/967/jediterror2.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6325/jediterror1.jpg

Deleting the Settings directory in jEdit doesn't help, and neither does
uninstalling and reinstalling jEdit. As far as I know there haven't been any
system changes between installing jEdit and the problem occurring - one day
the problem wasn't there, the next day it was.
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problem with complicated tuplets (xenakis)

[Sepand Shahab]

Dear list members,

I'm having a problem with tuplets displaying correctly in certain situations but
not in others.

for example, the following works fine on its own:

\time 4/4

c32 c c16

\times 8/7 {c16 c c c c c32 c c16}

\times 7/6 {c c c c c c }


\times 5/4 { c16 c c c32 c  } 


\times 4/3 {c16 c32 c c c  } 

\times 4/3 {c16 c c }

 \times 5/4 { c c c32 c c16   } 

\times 6/5 {c16 c c32 c c c c16   } 

\times 7/6 { c16 c c32 c c16 c32  c c c } 


But it does not display correctly if there is a part above it with similarly
complicated tuplets.  For example if you take what's above and put it in the
left hand of a piano part, then take the exact same music, shift it over by one
measure and place it in the right hand, something goes wrong.  why?
I'm using lilypond version 2.13.7-1 on osx 10.6.5

  


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Unknown final note shape / object. What it is?

[Nils Gey]

I stumbled upon this picture of notation and I've never seen the final note (in 
each voice, the right page voices have a slightly different version)
http://anaigeon.free.fr/mes_facs/fsjosq.jpg

From the position it must be a longa, the fermata over it indictates the same. 
Best visible on the top left version is that there is indeed the right-handed 
stem from a longa at the end of this symbol.

Has anyone seen this in a different context? I would like to see more pictures 
or versions.

Btw. if you know any other strange or seldom used notation symbols please let 
me know :)

Greetings,

Nils

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Re: Odd output

[David Kastrup]

Michael Ellis  writes:

> Yes! Spelling does count because poorly spelled music is much harder
> to read. I'm somewhat less convinced regarding sonic differences on
> untempered instruments because the matter is more complicated than
> that, e.g G# as the leading tone to A is different from G# as the
> third of E. In practice, it comes down to the performer's ear to make
> those distinctions.

I have asked someone about a "quint register" in a virtual accordion,
and while I have not heard it myself, his opinion is that this register
is a _tempered_ fifth above the normal sound (namely, "in scale").

I tend to believe him, even though it would imply that someone had no
clue about what he is supposed to be doing (or did not have the
material/samples to do this properly).  I've long ago come to the
painful realization that it is a mistake to rule out that possibility.

I am not sure that a performer with a manually-pitchable instrument will
overly obey enharmonic information against his own ear.  Writing
functionally, however, will help with recognizing chord patterns.  There
are curious things like keyboards (cembali, I think) with split black
keys that can be tuned to make use of that distinction, but I would
suppose that the players of such rare beasts are versed enough to apply
the right choice even against notation.

-- 
David Kastrup


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Re: Unknown final note shape / object. What it is?

[Owain Sutton]

On 21:32, Fri, 10 Dec 2010, Nils Gey wrote:
> I stumbled upon this picture of notation and I've never seen the final note 
> (in each voice, the right page voices have a slightly different version)
> http://anaigeon.free.fr/mes_facs/fsjosq.jpg
> 
> From the position it must be a longa, the fermata over it indictates the 
> same. Best visible on the top left version is that there is indeed the 
> right-handed stem from a longa at the end of this symbol.
> 
> Has anyone seen this in a different context? I would like to see more 
> pictures or versions.
> 
> Btw. if you know any other strange or seldom used notation symbols please let 
> me know :)
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Nils


Probably just a scribal quirk - the incomplete illuminations give some idea of 
how prestigious this volume was (or was intended to be).  Which source is it?

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a basic tuplet question

[Sepand Shahab]

dear list,

how would I code a tuplet group whose first notes are a subdivision of the
tuplet note?

for example: 16th note triplets that begin with 2 32nd notes.



thanks!
Sepand
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Re: Unknown final note shape / object. What it is?

[Nils Gey]

On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 21:40:15 +
Owain Sutton  wrote:

> On 21:32, Fri, 10 Dec 2010, Nils Gey wrote:
> > I stumbled upon this picture of notation and I've never seen the final note 
> > (in each voice, the right page voices have a slightly different version)
> > http://anaigeon.free.fr/mes_facs/fsjosq.jpg
> > 
> > From the position it must be a longa, the fermata over it indictates the 
> > same. Best visible on the top left version is that there is indeed the 
> > right-handed stem from a longa at the end of this symbol.
> > 
> > Has anyone seen this in a different context? I would like to see more 
> > pictures or versions.
> > 
> > Btw. if you know any other strange or seldom used notation symbols please 
> > let me know :)
> > 
> > Greetings,
> > 
> > Nils
> 
> 
> Probably just a scribal quirk - the incomplete illuminations give some idea 
> of how prestigious this volume was (or was intended to be).  Which source is 
> it?

If going to the root of this URL does not help I don't know. Google image 
search. I searched through mensural music (and medieval) for exactly these 
things. Strange looking or nice looking things in notation (without the usual 
Ars Subtilior Heart-Shape Notation)

Nils 

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Re: Unknown final note shape / object. What it is?

[Michael Ellis]

It appears to be the opening Kyrie of the Josquin's Missa Beata Virgine, ca
1510.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Josquin_Missa_BV_Kyrie.jpg

I believe music printing was a thriving enterprise by then, so it's unlikely
to be (completely) hand scribed.

Cheers,
Mike


On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Nils Gey  wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 21:40:15 +
> Owain Sutton  wrote:
>
> > On 21:32, Fri, 10 Dec 2010, Nils Gey wrote:
> > > I stumbled upon this picture of notation and I've never seen the final
> note (in each voice, the right page voices have a slightly different
> version)
> > > http://anaigeon.free.fr/mes_facs/fsjosq.jpg
> > >
> > > From the position it must be a longa, the fermata over it indictates
> the same. Best visible on the top left version is that there is indeed the
> right-handed stem from a longa at the end of this symbol.
> > >
> > > Has anyone seen this in a different context? I would like to see more
> pictures or versions.
> > >
> > > Btw. if you know any other strange or seldom used notation symbols
> please let me know :)
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > > Nils
> >
> >
> > Probably just a scribal quirk - the incomplete illuminations give some
> idea of how prestigious this volume was (or was intended to be).  Which
> source is it?
>
> If going to the root of this URL does not help I don't know. Google image
> search. I searched through mensural music (and medieval) for exactly these
> things. Strange looking or nice looking things in notation (without the
> usual Ars Subtilior Heart-Shape Notation)
>
> Nils
>
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Re: a basic tuplet question

[Nick Baskin]

Sepand,

Durations in tuplets work just like those outside of tuplets. Sixteenth note
tuplets that begin with 32nd notes would look like this:

\times 2/3 { c32 c c16 c }

Cheers,
Nick

On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Sepand Shahab <
sepandsha...@alum.calarts.edu> wrote:

> dear list,
>
> how would I code a tuplet group whose first notes are a subdivision of the
> tuplet note?
>
> for example: 16th note triplets that begin with 2 32nd notes.
>
>
>
> thanks!
> Sepand
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Re:Re: music fit on page, new item found in 2.13.42

[胡海鹏 - Hu Haipeng]

Thanks. Then, is anyone able to let Lilypond break the non-fittable line into 
the next page? Why it insists in putting such line on the current page? This 
issue of "ten jars with nine lids" (a Chinese idiom) must be solved, otherwise 
1. every part must use different staff size; and 2. I must manually insert 
breaks, which I can't do visually.
Regards
Haipeng
 
 
 
 > -原始邮件-
> 发件人: "Carl Sorensen" 
> 发送时间: 2010年12月10日 星期五
> 收件人: "胡海鹏 - Hu Haipeng" 
> 抄送: 
> 主题: Re: music fit on page, new item found in 2.13.42
> 
> On 12/9/10 4:30 PM, "胡海鹏 - Hu Haipeng"  wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> >   I just downloaded 2.13.42. When making parts, I see the log file has a new
> > thing. There are still many "couldn't fit music on page" if I use normal 
> > staff
> > size, but after that, a "compressing music to fit" message is added. Does it
> > mean I will be no longer worried about music fitting problem?
> 
> It means that the music will always be on the page.  However, when you get
> the "compressing music to fit" message, it is possible that there will be
> collisions.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Carl
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RE: Unknown final note shape / object. What it is?

[James Lowe]

Hello,

I am not sure if you are aware of this website

http://www.diamm.ac.uk/index.html

It contains very high resolution digital images of mensural music. You do need 
to register (free) but some of the images there are beautiful.

James


-Original Message-
From: lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org on behalf of Nils 
Gey
Sent: Fri 12/10/2010 21:46
To: Owain Sutton
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Unknown final note shape / object. What it is?
 
On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 21:40:15 +
Owain Sutton  wrote:

> On 21:32, Fri, 10 Dec 2010, Nils Gey wrote:
> > I stumbled upon this picture of notation and I've never seen the final note 
> > (in each voice, the right page voices have a slightly different version)
> > http://anaigeon.free.fr/mes_facs/fsjosq.jpg
> > 
> > From the position it must be a longa, the fermata over it indictates the 
> > same. Best visible on the top left version is that there is indeed the 
> > right-handed stem from a longa at the end of this symbol.
> > 
> > Has anyone seen this in a different context? I would like to see more 
> > pictures or versions.
> > 
> > Btw. if you know any other strange or seldom used notation symbols please 
> > let me know :)
> > 
> > Greetings,
> > 
> > Nils
> 
> 
> Probably just a scribal quirk - the incomplete illuminations give some idea 
> of how prestigious this volume was (or was intended to be).  Which source is 
> it?

If going to the root of this URL does not help I don't know. Google image 
search. I searched through mensural music (and medieval) for exactly these 
things. Strange looking or nice looking things in notation (without the usual 
Ars Subtilior Heart-Shape Notation)

Nils 

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Re: Request to mailing list lilypond-user rejected

[Francisco Vila]

2010/12/10 Ludo Beckers :

> I never got a reply though. Any idea why my subscription was first accepted 
> and
> then rejected on the same day?

Do you have several From: lines to choose from in Gmail? This could be
the cause, you shoud always write to the list with the same From: you
are subscribed with.

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Re: Troubles with LilypondTool

[Valentin Villenave]

On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 8:49 PM, George_  wrote:
>
> I'm not sure whether this is the right place to post this.

The LilyPondTool mailing may be more appropriate.

> I've got an issue with the pdf previewer that comes with LilypondTool. When
> I open jEdit and start typing, it looks fine. However, as soon as I use
> jEdit to compile the text, the viewer starts doing weird things:
>
> http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/967/jediterror2.jpg
> http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6325/jediterror1.jpg
>
> Deleting the Settings directory in jEdit doesn't help, and neither does
> uninstalling and reinstalling jEdit. As far as I know there haven't been any
> system changes between installing jEdit and the problem occurring - one day
> the problem wasn't there, the next day it was.

I have seen this sort of things in the past,; it's generally a
Windows-specific problem with the Java environment. Most of the time
simply closing and reopening jEdit is enough to fix the problem; if it
isn't, you may have to reboot your computer.

Regards,
Valentin.

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Re: problem with complicated tuplets (xenakis)

[Valentin Villenave]

On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Sepand Shahab
 wrote:
> For example if you take what's above and put it in the
> left hand of a piano part, then take the exact same music, shift it over by 
> one
> measure and place it in the right hand, something goes wrong.  why?

It may be laziness on my part, but I suspect many of us will be more
able to help if you provide us with a complete (however short)
example... See our recommandations on
http://lilypond.org/tiny-examples

Cheers,
Valentin.

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notehead collisions in cluster

[Jon W]

Hi. I wrote a program in C that finds the solutions, if any exist, to a
compositional problem specified in the command line. One of the output
formats is lilypond. Some of the solutions involve clusters that lilypond
does not display very well--noteheads overlap vertically, making them
illegible, and accidentals collide, or are misplaced or missing, when a
chord has two notes on the same line or space of the staff. It would be hard
to make my program intelligent enough to respell these cases, and in any
case there will still be some dense cases that are impossible to spell in
such a way that you can notate the cluster the way lilypond tries to. Here
is an example of the lilypond output of my program when the input is the
chord 012b:

\layout {   
  ragged-right = ##t
  \context {
  \Staff
  \remove "Time_signature_engraver" 
  \remove "Bar_engraver"
  } 
}
\book {
  \score {
<<
\new Staff {
\set Staff.instrument = "(012b)  "
\set Staff.extraNatural = ##f
#(set-accidental-style 'no-reset)
 { 1  1  1  1  1 }
}
>>
  }
}

I uploaded an image as an attachment: 
http://old.nabble.com/file/p30430768/collisions_example.png
collisions_example.png  To be sure this is somewhat of a pathological case
and I do not expect lilypond to be able to handle it gracefully by default.
Ideally the cluster would be rendered with more horizontal spacing so as to
avoid collisions. My question is, what does anyone suggestion as a practical
solution? What could I instruct my program to do, if it is about to output a
chord with two noteheads on the same line or space of the staff?

Thank you!  --Jon
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Re: My Lilypond Chart Template

[hsweet]

Thanks for the tip.  I was wondering how to do multiple columns of lyrics. 

harry

Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> 
> Am 2010-11-29 um 22:15 schrieb hsweet:
> 
>> This is a template I've been slowly evolving to use for charts for  
>> my band.
>>
>> http://old.nabble.com/file/p30334633/lead_sheet_template.ly
> 
> 
> As a bit of inspiration, these are my templates:
> http://git.fiee.net/?p=lilystuff.git;a=tree
> 
> global_liedvorlage.ly is the one I actually use, most settings are in  
> global.ly
> liedvorlage.ly was the previous version.
> These are commented only in German.
> song_template.ly is nearly the same as liedvorlage.ly, but with  
> comments in English.
> 
> In contrary/addition to yours...
> - separate scores for print and MIDI, to be able to influence them  
> independently (e.g. unfoldRepeats and dynamics)
> - lyrics of all verses in two columns
> - different structure
> 
> 
> Greetlings from Lake Constance
> ---
> fiëé visuëlle
> Henning Hraban Ramm
> http://www.fiee.net
> http://angerweit.tikon.ch/lieder/
> https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer)
> 
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Re: Odd output

[Marco Correia]

Hi,

I didn't want to sound rude or anything. I just want to make a point that I do 
not consider this as a minor improvement since:

1. The output is not aestetically wrong, it is definitely readable differently 
from what is specified in the lilypond source.

2. I think you should not assume the user will write a musically (logicaly) 
consistent piece in order to display the notes correctly.

3. It can happen in a real world exercise, for example when displaying music 
which is obtained by a computer program.

I don't know anything about the lilypond internals. I'm just a 1 week newbie, 
who just stumbled across this problem on one of the first attempts at 
lilypond.

Lilypond is written in Scheme, is that right? For someone who doesn't know 
this language, but has a strong background on computer science in general, 
would you think that he could hack into the lilypond algorithm for displaying 
the accidentals and make something better out of it? Is there any 
documentation on the subject available?

I think the idea behind lilypond is great, and from the examples I've seen it 
looks like it works very well for most cases. I'm willing to try to help to 
correct this issue, with your help, if you think that it is feasible.

Anyway, thanks for making your effort available for free. I am also an open 
souce developer and, believe me, I do value these contributions.

Thanks!
Marco


On Friday 10 December 2010, Phil Holmes wrote:
> Please reply to the user group as well.
> 
> As is often pointed out, it's free software and the fixes depend on who is
> working for nothing on the code.
> 
> I wouldn't think it would crop up frequently.
> 
> I made a workaround with a combination of forcing the accidentals to be
> displayed, and then using force-hshift and extra-offset and a few other
> tweaks to make it work.
> 
> My example is pretty complicated, because I also autogenerate the code, but
> you're welcome to a copy if you want.
> 
> --
> Phil Holmes
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Marco Correia" 
> To: "Phil Holmes" 
> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 10:29 AM
> Subject: Re: Odd output
> 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > I can't believe that this is seen as a low priority enhancement...! This
> > completely renders lilypond unusable for the task I need it, which is to
> > serve
> > as a printer for computer generated music. The output is not ugly - it is
> > plain wrong!
> > 
> > Why doesn't the accidental_engraver looks into other voices as well?
> > 
> > Maybe I can workaround it by doing an extra pass before writing the
> > lilypond
> > code to check if this kind of problem may occur... But now I wonder what
> > other
> > kind of potential problems may occur with this accidental_engraver
> > algorithm...
> > 
> > Anyway, I just wanted to say that I think this problem deserves more
> > consideration.
> > 
> > Thank you!
> > Marco
> > 
> > On Friday 10 December 2010, you wrote:
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Marco Correia" 
> >> To: 
> >> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:35 AM
> >> Subject: Odd output
> >> 
> >> > Hi,
> >> > 
> >> > I just started using lilypond, so it is very possible that I'm making
> >> > some mistake.
> >> > 
> >> > When compiling this example:
> >> > 
> >> > \include "english.ly"
> >> > {
> >> > \clef treble
> >> > \time 4/4
> >> > <<
> >> > { fs'4 }
> >> > \\
> >> > { f'4 }
> >> > 
> >> > }
> >> > 
> >> > I see two notes on fs (occupying the same position but with stems up
> >> > and
> >> > down). There is no indication that f is there.
> >> > 
> >> > Is this supposed to/ how do I fix it?
> >> > 
> >> > Thanks!
> >> > Marco
> >> 
> >> This was one of the first issues I raised, in June this year.  I think
> >> it was my first bug report:
> >> 
> >> http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1134
> >> 
> >> 
> >> --
> >> Phil Holmes


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Re: Odd output

[Carl Sorensen]

On 12/10/10 8:27 PM, "Marco Correia"  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I didn't want to sound rude or anything. I just want to make a point that I do
> not consider this as a minor improvement since:
> 
> 1. The output is not aestetically wrong, it is definitely readable differently
> from what is specified in the lilypond source.
> 
> 2. I think you should not assume the user will write a musically (logicaly)
> consistent piece in order to display the notes correctly.
> 
> 3. It can happen in a real world exercise, for example when displaying music
> which is obtained by a computer program.

It's not rude for you to question our issue classification.  Let me explain
it to you.

We have lots of issues, and few developers.  So the issues that are worked
on come in two kinds: critical issues and developers' favorite issues.

The issue classification scheme is described in the LilyPond Contributor's
Guide.



Critical issues are those that used to work in lilypond but don't now, or
those that cause lilypond to crash.

> 
> I don't know anything about the lilypond internals. I'm just a 1 week newbie,
> who just stumbled across this problem on one of the first attempts at
> lilypond.
> 
> Lilypond is written in Scheme, is that right?

LilyPond is written in a mix of C++ and Scheme.

> For someone who doesn't know
> this language, but has a strong background on computer science in general,
> would you think that he could hack into the lilypond algorithm for displaying
> the accidentals and make something better out of it?

If you have a strong background in computer science, you can definitely
contribute to LilyPond, whether or not you know Scheme.  Scheme is not that
hard to learn, and there are good references for it.

> Is there any
> documentation on the subject available?

The documentation on hacking into LilyPond is available in the Contributor's
Guide.  It's not complete, but it's the best we've got.

> 
> I think the idea behind lilypond is great, and from the examples I've seen it
> looks like it works very well for most cases. I'm willing to try to help to
> correct this issue, with your help, if you think that it is feasible.

We'll be glad to offer help.  Accidentals are created by the
Accidental_engraver, which is written in C++.  You can read a top-level
description of the Accidental_engraver in the Internals Reference.  You can
find the source code in lily/accidental-engraver.cc

> 
> Anyway, thanks for making your effort available for free. I am also an open
> souce developer and, believe me, I do value these contributions.

We'd love to have you solve that problem!  We'll provide whatever help we
can.

Thanks,

Carl Sorensen

P.S. We like to get replies in the body of the email, rather than on the top
of the email.  We have a "no top-posting" policy on the lilypond mailing
lists.


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