ugly .ps output

[François Labadens]

I tried to use the .ps output, but it's not so good as the .pdf one. It's the
same thing under Windows XP or Ubuntu 7.10.
Do you have any solutions ?

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Installing 2.12

[Ralph Palmer]

Hi -

I'm now a re-newbie, sort of. I just took the plunge into Linux, from WinXP,
and I've run into a difficulty.

I'm running Ubuntu 8.10 (Intrepid Ibex) on a laptop. Using Synaptic, I was
able to install LilyPond 2.10 (I don't remember the release number). I
downloaded 2.12.2-1 from the LilyPond website, and it's sitting on my
desktop. I uninstalled 2.10, but I can't figure out how to install 2.12 from
the desktop file (*lilypond-2.12.2-1,linux-x86.sh*). I've tried using apt
from a terminal window (using sudo), and I've tried Synaptic from the System
menu, and I've tried Add/Remove programs.

I've tried searching the mailing list archives, but I'm not finding anything
that helps. As far as I can tell, Synaptic is looking for a .deb file, not a
.sh file. I tried running "sh lillypond-2.12.2-1,linux-x86.sh" as sudo from
the command line, but the shell doesn't like it. I tried bash, as well. The
file is a shell script, right? I can't figure out how to run it.

I would appreciate any help or direction-pointing anyone can give.

(As soon as I can get this resolved, I promise to continue with indexing.
This has been a trying season.)

Peace to all,

Ralph

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USA
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Re: Installing 2.12

[Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool)]

I've tried searching the mailing list archives, but I'm not finding 
anything that helps. As far as I can tell, Synaptic is looking for a 
.deb file, not a .sh file. I tried running "sh 
lillypond-2.12.2-1,linux-x86.sh" as sudo from the command line, but 
the shell doesn't like it.

I like these kinds of reports "the shell doesn't like it". What does it say?

Why does your filename contains a comma? Comma means a special thing in 
linux.


Bert
I tried bash, as well. The file is a shell script, right? I can't 
figure out how to run it.


I would appreciate any help or direction-pointing anyone can give.

(As soon as I can get this resolved, I promise to continue with 
indexing. This has been a trying season.)


Peace to all,

Ralph

--
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USA
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Re: Problem with fingering

[Trevor Daniels]

It would be nice if LilyPond were able to resolve every possible
fingering configuration optimally, but it is a complex problem.

Generally, the options available work pretty well, and when they
don't there is the possibility to tweak the positions of individual
fingerings to your liking. Like this:

\relative c' {
  \set fingeringOrientations = #'(left)
  4
  \set fingeringOrientations = #'(down)
  4
  \set fingeringOrientations = #'(down right up)
  4
  \set fingeringOrientations = #'(up)
  4
}

Trevor

- Original Message - 
From: "David Stocker" 

To: "Tomas Valusek" 
Cc: "lilypond-user Mailinglist" 
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: Problem with fingering


This is a problem for me as well. I prefer my fingerings to the left of 
notes and chords in the score (for guitar music) and when notating 
chords that contain seconds, I'm forced to choose which notes to 
indicate fingerings for in order to avoid collisions. Another related 
problem: In chords involving notes with accidentals, some fingerings are 
displayed to the left of the accidental (good) while fingerings on notes 
without accidentals are not shifted left (ugly-and sometimes results in 
collisions between accidentals and fingering indications). It would be 
great to be able to tell LilyPond to display all fingerings for a chord 
in one vertical column, and to automatically resolve fingering 
collisions when there are fingerings for intervals smaller than a third.


Tomas Valusek wrote:

Hello,

let's modify slightly a snippet from NR 1.7.1, section Fingering 
Instructions:


\relative c' {
  \set fingeringOrientations = #'(left)
  4
  \set fingeringOrientations = #'(down)
  4
  \set fingeringOrientations = #'(down right up)
  4
  \set fingeringOrientations = #'(up)
  4
}

What we get? See attachement.

AFAIK, numbers in chord fingering should be one directly above the 
other, not shifted sideways. Si this a bug?


Tomas Valusek





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Re: Installing 2.12

[Mats Bengtsson]

See 
http://lilypondwiki.tuxfamily.org/index.php?title=Upgrade_howto&printable=yes


  /Mats

Ralph Palmer wrote:

Hi -

I'm now a re-newbie, sort of. I just took the plunge into Linux, from 
WinXP, and I've run into a difficulty.


I'm running Ubuntu 8.10 (Intrepid Ibex) on a laptop. Using Synaptic, I 
was able to install LilyPond 2.10 (I don't remember the release 
number). I downloaded 2.12.2-1 from the LilyPond website, and it's 
sitting on my desktop. I uninstalled 2.10, but I can't figure out how 
to install 2.12 from the desktop file 
(/lilypond-2.12.2-1,linux-x86.sh/). I've tried using apt from a 
terminal window (using sudo), and I've tried Synaptic from the System 
menu, and I've tried Add/Remove programs.


I've tried searching the mailing list archives, but I'm not finding 
anything that helps. As far as I can tell, Synaptic is looking for a 
.deb file, not a .sh file. I tried running "sh 
lillypond-2.12.2-1,linux-x86.sh" as sudo from the command line, but 
the shell doesn't like it. I tried bash, as well. The file is a shell 
script, right? I can't figure out how to run it.


I would appreciate any help or direction-pointing anyone can give.

(As soon as I can get this resolved, I promise to continue with 
indexing. This has been a trying season.)


Peace to all,

Ralph

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USA
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Re: How can I let the ambitus engraver ignore the key signature?

[David Kastrup]

M Watts  writes:

> David Kastrup wrote:
>> Hi, the following is an excerpt from a systematic listing of accordion
>> chords with different ambitus.  The ambitus engraver should not heed the
>> first (arbitrary) key signature but rather engrave as though we were in
>> c major.
>>
>> How do I do that?
>>
>>   
>
> I guess you discovered that if you try setting a key signature just
> for the ambitus, then changing it for the music, results in the
> amusing "warning: Two simultaneous key-change events, junking this
> one", which doesn't work.
>
> One solution is to add this line to each \new Voice:
>
> \override AmbitusAccidental #'(glyph-name-alist) = #'((0 . null) (-1/2
> . null) (1/2 . null) (1 . null) (-1 . null))
>
> The console spits out "warning: Could not find glyph-name for
> alteration -1/2" etc. etc., but it seems to do the job.

Wouldn't that just leave off the accidentals from the ambitus?  That
would not be the desired effect.  The desired effect is to have
accidentals relative to C major.

I have not checked yet, but nulling the glyph-names would appear to have
this effect, or do I just not understand what is done here?  If the
latter, could you explain?

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Re: How can I let the ambitus engraver ignore the key signature?

[David Kastrup]

David Kastrup  writes:

> M Watts  writes:
>
>> David Kastrup wrote:
>>> Hi, the following is an excerpt from a systematic listing of accordion
>>> chords with different ambitus.  The ambitus engraver should not heed the
>>> first (arbitrary) key signature but rather engrave as though we were in
>>> c major.
>>>
>>> How do I do that?
>>>
>>>   
>>
>> I guess you discovered that if you try setting a key signature just
>> for the ambitus, then changing it for the music, results in the
>> amusing "warning: Two simultaneous key-change events, junking this
>> one", which doesn't work.
>>
>> One solution is to add this line to each \new Voice:
>>
>> \override AmbitusAccidental #'(glyph-name-alist) = #'((0 . null) (-1/2
>> . null) (1/2 . null) (1 . null) (-1 . null))
>>
>> The console spits out "warning: Could not find glyph-name for
>> alteration -1/2" etc. etc., but it seems to do the job.
>
> Wouldn't that just leave off the accidentals from the ambitus?  That
> would not be the desired effect.  The desired effect is to have
> accidentals relative to C major.
>
> I have not checked yet, but nulling the glyph-names would appear to have
> this effect, or do I just not understand what is done here?  If the
> latter, could you explain?

Actually, I have not been able to find a place in my posted example code
where the above incantation would cause either a change or a warning.

Hm.

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Re: TAB question

[Grammostola Rosea]

David Stocker wrote:
I think I just need to take initiative with this. I've been thinking 
about it for a while and what I'll do is in my spare time (what's 
that?) I'll catalog some 'missing features' that would lead to better 
tablature support and include visual examples from published music. We 
can circulate it around on the list and everyone can add to it. Then, 
the 'fretted strings' crowd can build a consensus on prioritization. 
That way, there's a list of proposed features that contributers can 
consult if they wish.


Can you prod me every so often so I don't get absorbed in work/life 
and leave this on the shelf for too long? Just a simple 'how's the 
list coming?' if I don't post anything for a few weeks.



Any progress here? David?

When I use a template in Frescobaldi for electric bass it doesn't seems 
to work, I get a error message, see below. Besides that, the tablature 
is placed above the notation by default which is not how it should be 
imho. Also  the  tablature has beams, which is odd for tablature...


Regards,

\r





global = {
 \key c \major
 \time 4/4
}

electricBass = \relative c {
 \global
 % Muziek volgt hier.
  e,4\4 g\4 a\3 d8\3 c\3 e2\4
}

\score {
 \new StaffGroup \with {
   \consists "Instrument_name_engraver"
   instrumentName = "Electrische bas"
 } <<
   \new TabStaff \electricBass
   \new Staff \with {
 midiInstrument = "electric bass (finger)"
   } { \clef bass \electricBass }
 >>
 \layout { }
 \midi {
   \context {
 \Score
 tempoWholesPerMinute = #(ly:make-moment 100 4)
   }
 }
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RE: Problem with fingering

[Nick Payne]

Thanks, that gives me some extra ammunition to solve some fingering
problems.

Nick

> -Original Message-
> From: lilypond-user-bounces+nick.payne=internode.on@gnu.org
> [mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+nick.payne=internode.on@gnu.org] On
> Behalf Of Trevor Daniels
> Sent: Friday, 13 February 2009 20:05
> To: David Stocker; Tomas Valusek
> Cc: lilypond-user Mailinglist
> Subject: Re: Problem with fingering
> 
> It would be nice if LilyPond were able to resolve every possible
> fingering configuration optimally, but it is a complex problem.
> 
> Generally, the options available work pretty well, and when they
> don't there is the possibility to tweak the positions of individual
> fingerings to your liking. Like this:
> 
> \relative c' {
>\set fingeringOrientations = #'(left)
>4
>\set fingeringOrientations = #'(down)
>4
>\set fingeringOrientations = #'(down right up)
>4
>\set fingeringOrientations = #'(up)
>4
> }
> 
> Trevor
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "David Stocker" 
> To: "Tomas Valusek" 
> Cc: "lilypond-user Mailinglist" 
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 5:45 PM
> Subject: Re: Problem with fingering
> 
> 
> > This is a problem for me as well. I prefer my fingerings to the left
> of
> > notes and chords in the score (for guitar music) and when notating
> > chords that contain seconds, I'm forced to choose which notes to
> > indicate fingerings for in order to avoid collisions. Another related
> > problem: In chords involving notes with accidentals, some fingerings
> are
> > displayed to the left of the accidental (good) while fingerings on
> notes
> > without accidentals are not shifted left (ugly-and sometimes results
> in
> > collisions between accidentals and fingering indications). It would
> be
> > great to be able to tell LilyPond to display all fingerings for a
> chord
> > in one vertical column, and to automatically resolve fingering
> > collisions when there are fingerings for intervals smaller than a
> third.
> >
> > Tomas Valusek wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> let's modify slightly a snippet from NR 1.7.1, section Fingering
> >> Instructions:
> >>
> >> \relative c' {
> >>   \set fingeringOrientations = #'(left)
> >>   4
> >>   \set fingeringOrientations = #'(down)
> >>   4
> >>   \set fingeringOrientations = #'(down right up)
> >>   4
> >>   \set fingeringOrientations = #'(up)
> >>   4
> >> }
> >>
> >> What we get? See attachement.
> >>
> >> AFAIK, numbers in chord fingering should be one directly above the
> >> other, not shifted sideways. Si this a bug?
> >>
> >> Tomas Valusek
> >>
> >> 
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Re: Problem with fingering

[David Stocker]

extra-offset rocks!

Thanks for the suggestions.

Dave

Trevor Daniels wrote:

It would be nice if LilyPond were able to resolve every possible
fingering configuration optimally, but it is a complex problem.

Generally, the options available work pretty well, and when they
don't there is the possibility to tweak the positions of individual
fingerings to your liking. Like this:

\relative c' {
  \set fingeringOrientations = #'(left)
  4
  \set fingeringOrientations = #'(down)
  4
  \set fingeringOrientations = #'(down right up)
  4
  \set fingeringOrientations = #'(up)
  4
}

Trevor

- Original Message - From: "David Stocker" 


To: "Tomas Valusek" 
Cc: "lilypond-user Mailinglist" 
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: Problem with fingering


This is a problem for me as well. I prefer my fingerings to the left 
of notes and chords in the score (for guitar music) and when notating 
chords that contain seconds, I'm forced to choose which notes to 
indicate fingerings for in order to avoid collisions. Another related 
problem: In chords involving notes with accidentals, some fingerings 
are displayed to the left of the accidental (good) while fingerings 
on notes without accidentals are not shifted left (ugly-and sometimes 
results in collisions between accidentals and fingering indications). 
It would be great to be able to tell LilyPond to display all 
fingerings for a chord in one vertical column, and to automatically 
resolve fingering collisions when there are fingerings for intervals 
smaller than a third.


Tomas Valusek wrote:

Hello,

let's modify slightly a snippet from NR 1.7.1, section Fingering 
Instructions:


\relative c' {
  \set fingeringOrientations = #'(left)
  4
  \set fingeringOrientations = #'(down)
  4
  \set fingeringOrientations = #'(down right up)
  4
  \set fingeringOrientations = #'(up)
  4
}

What we get? See attachement.

AFAIK, numbers in chord fingering should be one directly above the 
other, not shifted sideways. Si this a bug?


Tomas Valusek

 



 



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Re: Frescobaldi 0.7.5 released

[Jonathan Kulp]

Wilbert Berendsen wrote:

Hi all,

with great pleasure I announce the release of Frescobaldi 0.7.5.
http://lilykde.googlecode.com/files/frescobaldi-0.7.5.tar.gz

Changes:

* New command to change the pitch names in a LilyPond document to another
  language
* In Edit-menu:
   * New command to cut a piece of text and assign it to a variable
   * New shortcut (Ctrl+;) to repeat the last entered music expression
   * New shortcut (Ctrl+.) to expand a short string to user-definable pieces
 of LilyPond input. When no shortcut is typed a dialog is opened where
 shortcuts can be chosen and edited.
   * New shortcuts (Alt+Up and Alt+Down) to jump between blank lines, c.q.
 insertion points

The on-line user guide has been improved: 
http://www.frescobaldi.org/uguide.html


Frescobaldi is a LilyPond sheet music editor for KDE4. It aims to be powerful, 
yet lightweight and easy to use.  More info: http://www.frescobaldi.org/


enjoy!
Wilbert Berendsen



I'd really like to try this tool but am having some trouble installing 
it.  KDE is not my natural habitat so I apologize if I'm missing 
something obvious.


First I can't get lilypond-kde4 installed.  After installing the 
kde4-devel packages I got the configuration to run successfully, but 
when I run "make" I get the following output:


j...@bashtop:~/Desktop/lilypond-kde4-0.2$ make
[ 33%] Building CXX object 
CMakeFiles/ktexteditservice.dir/ktexteditservice.o
/home/jon/Desktop/lilypond-kde4-0.2/ktexteditservice.cpp: In function 
‘int main(int, char**)’:
/home/jon/Desktop/lilypond-kde4-0.2/ktexteditservice.cpp:63: error: 
‘fromPercentEncoding’ is not a member of ‘QByteArray’

make[2]: *** [CMakeFiles/ktexteditservice.dir/ktexteditservice.o] Error 1
make[1]: *** [CMakeFiles/ktexteditservice.dir/all] Error 2
make: *** [all] Error 2
j...@bashtop:~/Desktop/lilypond-kde4-0.2$

Can you see what I need to fix?  I suspect that if I can fix this, then 
I can probably get Frescobaldi running as well.


Thanks,

Jon

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Re: TAB question

[David Stocker]

Thanks for the poke. I'll try to get nominal list together this weekend 
of about a half-dozen or so things tabbers are missing. Right now, I'm 
open to suggestions on where to start. Bends? Ligado techniques?


Also, since this will inevitably involve email attachments of image 
files, I'm proposing that we circulate this off list. I'll send a 
follow-up email and anyone on the list who wants to receive and 
contribute to the "guitar tab feature request" can email me and I'll 
make a distribution list of the respondents. At a later time, we can 
submit "guitar tab feature request v.1.0" to the developers and maybe 
start talking sponsorships.


Best,

Dave

Grammostola Rosea wrote:

David Stocker wrote:
I think I just need to take initiative with this. I've been thinking 
about it for a while and what I'll do is in my spare time (what's 
that?) I'll catalog some 'missing features' that would lead to better 
tablature support and include visual examples from published music. 
We can circulate it around on the list and everyone can add to it. 
Then, the 'fretted strings' crowd can build a consensus on 
prioritization. That way, there's a list of proposed features that 
contributers can consult if they wish.


Can you prod me every so often so I don't get absorbed in work/life 
and leave this on the shelf for too long? Just a simple 'how's the 
list coming?' if I don't post anything for a few weeks.



Any progress here? David?

When I use a template in Frescobaldi for electric bass it doesn't 
seems to work, I get a error message, see below. Besides that, the 
tablature is placed above the notation by default which is not how it 
should be imho. Also  the  tablature has beams, which is odd for 
tablature...


Regards,

\r





global = {
 \key c \major
 \time 4/4
}

electricBass = \relative c {
 \global
 % Muziek volgt hier.
  e,4\4 g\4 a\3 d8\3 c\3 e2\4
}

\score {
 \new StaffGroup \with {
   \consists "Instrument_name_engraver"
   instrumentName = "Electrische bas"
 } <<
   \new TabStaff \electricBass
   \new Staff \with {
 midiInstrument = "electric bass (finger)"
   } { \clef bass \electricBass }
 >>
 \layout { }
 \midi {
   \context {
 \Score
 tempoWholesPerMinute = #(ly:make-moment 100 4)
   }
 }
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guitar tab feature request

[David Stocker]

Anyone who would like to be involved in documenting/discussing features 
missing from LilyPond's guitar tab support, please send me an off-list 
email at the following address:


dstoc...@thenotesetter.com

When we have a list of around 10-15 specific items, we can then 
prioritize and start to talk about sponsorship of features and then send 
a proposal to -devel.


Thanks,

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Re: Frescobaldi 0.7.5 released -- commenting out code

[Wilbert Berendsen]

Op vrijdag 13 februari 2009, schreef Herbert Liechti:
> >> Hello I tried Frescobaldi a few days ago. Very good work, thank you.
> >> What I'm really missing is the ability to easy comment out/in
> >> parts of the code. My favorite editor is the vi(m) where
> >> commenting out/in code is a very easy job.

In Frescobaldi try Ctrl+D to comment out and Ctrl-Shift+D.
It works both for the current line, selected lines, or random selected blocks 
of input (in that case it uses the %{ ... %} style comments. That works even 
in plain Kate and KWrite if they are in LilyPond mode. (Frescobaldi uses the 
same editor part as Kate and KWrite).

best regards,
Wilbert Berendsen

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Re: Installing 2.12

[Ralph Palmer]

Thanks, Bert -

I don't have my laptop handy, so I can't tell you the what the responses
were to my attempts, beyond remembering that some said they couldn't open
the file (lillypond-2.12.2-1,linux-x86.sh), couldn't find the command
(lillypond-2.12.2-1,linux-x86.sh), or there was an unexpected "do" in one
case. I was just researching logfiles to see if that would help me answer
your question about what the response was. Regarding the comma in the
filename, it was there when I downloaded the file.

Ralph

On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 3:44 AM, Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) <
lilypondt...@organum.hu> wrote:

> I like these kinds of reports "the shell doesn't like it". What does it
> say?
>
> Why does your filename contains a comma? Comma means a special thing in
> linux.
>
> Bert
>
>


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Re: Installing 2.12

[Ralph Palmer]

Thank you, Mats. I'll try it as soon as I get a chance.

Ralph

On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:15 AM, Mats Bengtsson wrote:

> See
> http://lilypondwiki.tuxfamily.org/index.php?title=Upgrade_howto&printable=yes
>
>


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Re: How can I let the ambitus engraver ignore the key signature?

[M Watts]

David Kastrup wrote:

David Kastrup  writes:

  

M Watts  writes:



David Kastrup wrote:
  

Hi, the following is an excerpt from a systematic listing of accordion
chords with different ambitus.  The ambitus engraver should not heed the
first (arbitrary) key signature but rather engrave as though we were in
c major.

How do I do that?

  


I guess you discovered that if you try setting a key signature just
for the ambitus, then changing it for the music, results in the
amusing "warning: Two simultaneous key-change events, junking this
one", which doesn't work.

One solution is to add this line to each \new Voice:

\override AmbitusAccidental #'(glyph-name-alist) = #'((0 . null) (-1/2
. null) (1/2 . null) (1 . null) (-1 . null))

The console spits out "warning: Could not find glyph-name for
alteration -1/2" etc. etc., but it seems to do the job.
  

Wouldn't that just leave off the accidentals from the ambitus?  That
would not be the desired effect.  The desired effect is to have
accidentals relative to C major.
I have not checked yet, but nulling the glyph-names would appear to have
this effect, or do I just not understand what is done here?  If the
latter, could you explain?



Actually, I have not been able to find a place in my posted example code
where the above incantation would cause either a change or a warning.

Hm.

  


I placed "the above incantation" immediately after the \clef bass lines, 
and ran your example code with 2.12.2.


It removes all accidentals from the ambitus -- I misunderstood :eek:

But to get the ambitus relative to C major, you'd need to have the first 
bar in C major, even if it's just invisible spacer notes,



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Re: TAB question -- frescobaldi tab support

[Wilbert Berendsen]

Op vrijdag 13 februari 2009, schreef Grammostola Rosea:
> When I use a template in Frescobaldi for electric bass it doesn't seems
> to work, I get a error message, see below. 

Which error message do you get?

> Besides that, the tablature is placed above the notation by default which is
> not how it should be imho.

I'm not experienced with TabStaves, please provide information about how you 
would like to generate tabstaffs in Frescobaldi (or submit a feature request 
on http://lilykde.googlecode.com, the SVN repo for Frescobaldi).

Should the tab staff be below the notes by default? Then I will change that in 
Frescobaldi. (Note that it is easy to just swap the staves in the Frescobaldi-
generated template.)

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Re: guitar tab feature request

[Grammostola Rosea]

David Stocker wrote:
Anyone who would like to be involved in documenting/discussing 
features missing from LilyPond's guitar tab support, please send me an 
off-list email at the following address:


dstoc...@thenotesetter.com

When we have a list of around 10-15 specific items, we can then 
prioritize and start to talk about sponsorship of features and then 
send a proposal to -devel.



Thanks for your initiative!

I forwarded this message to the LAU mailinglist and also posted messages 
here:


http://www.tuxguitar.com.ar/rd.php/message_boards/forum_posts.do?wlang=en&tid=1039&fid=6
http://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=905

Hope you don't mind ;)

Kind regards,

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Re: ugly .ps output

[M Watts]

François Labadens wrote:

I tried to use the .ps output, but it's not so good as the .pdf one. It's the
same thing under Windows XP or Ubuntu 7.10.
Do you have any solutions ?
It does look pretty grainy by itself, but it's used to produce a great 
looking pdf, so it shouldn't be a major worry.
What do you want to use the .ps files for?  LaTeX, or graphics work, or 
print outs...?





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Re: TAB question -- frescobaldi tab support

[Grammostola Rosea]

Wilbert Berendsen wrote:

Op vrijdag 13 februari 2009, schreef Grammostola Rosea:
  

When I use a template in Frescobaldi for electric bass it doesn't seems
to work, I get a error message, see below. 



Which error message do you get?
  


GNU LilyPond 2.12.0
Verwerken van `baztest.ly'
Ontleden...
Vertolken van muziek...
Voorbewerken van grafische objecten...
Vertolken van muziek...Segmentatiefout
(in Frescobaldi) stopte met status 1)
  

Besides that, the tablature is placed above the notation by default which is
not how it should be imho.



I'm not experienced with TabStaves, please provide information about how you 
would like to generate tabstaffs in Frescobaldi (or submit a feature request 
on http://lilykde.googlecode.com, the SVN repo for Frescobaldi).


Should the tab staff be below the notes by default? Then I will change that in 
Frescobaldi. (Note that it is easy to just swap the staves in the Frescobaldi-

generated template.)


  
I think we need more people to decide which is the best. I think David 
and others can help with it, to get nice guitar / bass templates.


I think tablature should be below notation by default.
Tablature shouldn't have beams.

Regards,

\r



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Re: guitar tab feature request

[David Stocker]

The more, the merrier.

Dave

Grammostola Rosea wrote:

David Stocker wrote:
Anyone who would like to be involved in documenting/discussing 
features missing from LilyPond's guitar tab support, please send me 
an off-list email at the following address:


dstoc...@thenotesetter.com

When we have a list of around 10-15 specific items, we can then 
prioritize and start to talk about sponsorship of features and then 
send a proposal to -devel.



Thanks for your initiative!

I forwarded this message to the LAU mailinglist and also posted 
messages here:


http://www.tuxguitar.com.ar/rd.php/message_boards/forum_posts.do?wlang=en&tid=1039&fid=6 


http://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=905

Hope you don't mind ;)

Kind regards,

\r






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Re: TAB question -- frescobaldi tab support

[Wilbert Berendsen]

Op vrijdag 13 februari 2009, schreef Wilbert Berendsen:
> Should the tab staff be below the notes by default? Then I will change that
> in Frescobaldi.

I have already fixed it in SVN: the normal staff is now on top.

thanks, best regards,
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Re: ugly .ps output

[David Stocker]

It's been my understanding that most viewers and applications will 
render a .ps file by way of a low resolution bitmap 'preview', so as not 
to clog RAM while you're working on files. When you go to print or 
export the file, the .ps file is rendered at whatever resolution you 
specify in your document properties (depending on which application 
you're using). At least, this used to be the case. Is this still typical?


M Watts wrote:

François Labadens wrote:
I tried to use the .ps output, but it's not so good as the .pdf one. 
It's the

same thing under Windows XP or Ubuntu 7.10.
Do you have any solutions ?
It does look pretty grainy by itself, but it's used to produce a great 
looking pdf, so it shouldn't be a major worry.
What do you want to use the .ps files for?  LaTeX, or graphics work, 
or print outs...?





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Re: TAB question -- frescobaldi tab support

[Grammostola Rosea]

Wilbert Berendsen wrote:

Op vrijdag 13 februari 2009, schreef Grammostola Rosea:
  

Wilbert Berendsen wrote:


Op vrijdag 13 februari 2009, schreef Grammostola Rosea:
  

When I use a template in Frescobaldi for electric bass it doesn't seems
to work, I get a error message, see below.


Which error message do you get?
  

GNU LilyPond 2.12.0
Verwerken van `baztest.ly'
Ontleden...
Vertolken van muziek...
Voorbewerken van grafische objecten...
Vertolken van muziek...Segmentatiefout
(in Frescobaldi) stopte met status 1)



That's strange, on my system it just runs fine. Maybe some optimisation issue? 
(i.e. not Frescobaldi-related)
  


mmh ok...
  

Besides that, the tablature is placed above the notation by default
which is not how it should be imho.


I'm not experienced with TabStaves, please provide information about how
you would like to generate tabstaffs in Frescobaldi (or submit a feature
request on http://lilykde.googlecode.com, the SVN repo for Frescobaldi).

Should the tab staff be below the notes by default? Then I will change
that in Frescobaldi. (Note that it is easy to just swap the staves in the
Frescobaldi- generated template.)
  

I think we need more people to decide which is the best. I think David
and others can help with it, to get nice guitar / bass templates.

I think tablature should be below notation by default.



Yes, I also saw it in the LIlyPond documentation. I have changed Frescobaldi 
(svn) to put the normal staff on top.
  


Thanks :)
  

Tablature shouldn't have beams.



I could provide a checkbox for that in Frescobaldi, but i'm no tablature 
expert... I'll follow the discussion about this in the LilyPond field.


  

Yeah a special 'quick insert' tool for tablature would be nice imho.
Maybe you could also make such a 'quick insert tool' for percussion and 
drums for instance... So you get different 'quick insert' tools for 
different area's of music notation.


Regards,

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Re: TAB question -- frescobaldi tab support

[Grammostola Rosea]

Grammostola Rosea wrote:

Wilbert Berendsen wrote:

Op vrijdag 13 februari 2009, schreef Grammostola Rosea:
 

Wilbert Berendsen wrote:
   

Op vrijdag 13 februari 2009, schreef Grammostola Rosea:
 
When I use a template in Frescobaldi for electric bass it doesn't 
seems

to work, I get a error message, see below.


Which error message do you get?
  

GNU LilyPond 2.12.0
Verwerken van `baztest.ly'
Ontleden...
Vertolken van muziek...
Voorbewerken van grafische objecten...
Vertolken van muziek...Segmentatiefout
(in Frescobaldi) stopte met status 1)



That's strange, on my system it just runs fine. Maybe some 
optimisation issue? (i.e. not Frescobaldi-related)
  


Other lilypond files seems to run fine though :/
It seems I got these problems when I do something with tablature...



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Re: TAB question -- frescobaldi tab support

[Wilbert Berendsen]

Op vrijdag 13 februari 2009, schreef Grammostola Rosea:
> Wilbert Berendsen wrote:
> > Op vrijdag 13 februari 2009, schreef Grammostola Rosea:
> >> When I use a template in Frescobaldi for electric bass it doesn't seems
> >> to work, I get a error message, see below.
> >
> > Which error message do you get?
>
> GNU LilyPond 2.12.0
> Verwerken van `baztest.ly'
> Ontleden...
> Vertolken van muziek...
> Voorbewerken van grafische objecten...
> Vertolken van muziek...Segmentatiefout
> (in Frescobaldi) stopte met status 1)

That's strange, on my system it just runs fine. Maybe some optimisation issue? 
(i.e. not Frescobaldi-related)

> >> Besides that, the tablature is placed above the notation by default
> >> which is not how it should be imho.
> >
> > I'm not experienced with TabStaves, please provide information about how
> > you would like to generate tabstaffs in Frescobaldi (or submit a feature
> > request on http://lilykde.googlecode.com, the SVN repo for Frescobaldi).
> >
> > Should the tab staff be below the notes by default? Then I will change
> > that in Frescobaldi. (Note that it is easy to just swap the staves in the
> > Frescobaldi- generated template.)
>
> I think we need more people to decide which is the best. I think David
> and others can help with it, to get nice guitar / bass templates.
>
> I think tablature should be below notation by default.

Yes, I also saw it in the LIlyPond documentation. I have changed Frescobaldi 
(svn) to put the normal staff on top.

> Tablature shouldn't have beams.

I could provide a checkbox for that in Frescobaldi, but i'm no tablature 
expert... I'll follow the discussion about this in the LilyPond field.

with best regards,
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Re: ugly .ps output

[Mats Bengtsson]

If you clarify what you mean by "ugly", it's easier to comment on your 
problems.
Do you mean fussy-looking or do you mean that certain symbols are 
missing or replaced
by something else? Also, what kind of applications do you use when 
viewing/printing the PS file.


The Postscript output by LilyPond is primarily intended as an 
intermediate format which then
is converted to PDF format (LilyPond does this internally, by calling 
Ghostscript). Certain
constructs in the Postscript output are a bit special and won't work 
with all Postscript

interpreters and printers.

   /Mats

François Labadens wrote:

I tried to use the .ps output, but it's not so good as the .pdf one. It's the
same thing under Windows XP or Ubuntu 7.10.
Do you have any solutions ?

François



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Re: Installing 2.12

[Francisco Vila]

2009/2/13 Ralph Palmer :
> I've tried searching the mailing list archives, but I'm not finding anything
> that helps. As far as I can tell, Synaptic is looking for a .deb file, not a
> .sh file. I tried running "sh lillypond-2.12.2-1,linux-x86.sh" as sudo from
> the command line, but the shell doesn't like it. I tried bash, as well. The
> file is a shell script, right? I can't figure out how to run it.
It's not

lillypond-2.12.2-1,linux-x86.sh

but rather

lilypond-2.12.2-1.linux-x86.sh

note the single L and no comma but a dot.

You'd better use your tab keyo to autocomplete, type sudo sh lil[TAB]

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Re: guitar tab feature request

[David Raleigh Arnold]

On Friday 13 February 2009, you wrote:
> Anyone who would like to be involved in documenting/discussing 
features 
> missing from LilyPond's guitar tab support,

The more features are added, the harder it is to get rid of them.
Perhaps a \plaintab command?

All I ever use with tab is lines and numbers. All of the rest is
on the music staff above. To me, and to many others, tab is merely
an orderly way to present part of the fingering information. Fret
and string and that's it. That is one of the few things that Passport
"Encore" did right. That presentation is more serious, and as a default
it would make LilyPond seem even less of a toy.

When the music is in more than one part another notes block has
to be made reducing all notes on the staff to a single voice. Most
banjo music is published with the notation staff having one voice,
which makes it almost useless. It would be a serious help if lilypond 
made that extra typing unnecessary by lining up all the notes in all 
the voices on the staff with their corresponding fret numbers on the 
tab staff. Maybe it can do that now? How?

When you really only intend to write one voice on a staff, two staves
are not needed.  See "Juba".  Such foolproof pieces are rare, to say the 
least.

http://www.openguitar.com/files/juba-short.pdf

Here is what decently (lilypond) printed music with tab looks like. If 
there were three voices, could I get as good a result?

http://www.openguitar.com/files/tomdooley.pdf

The top staff shows what the music sounds like, including where the
melody is. In tab alone the melody is impossible to find by even
an accomplished banjoist unless he already is familiar with the tune.
Not good.

It used to be standard practice to write lute music in piano
notation when transcribing it. The ability to combine parts
to make a tab staff would be the best way to publish lute music, but I 
think there is no software that can do it yet. (?) Lute
music that is published with tab alone is essentially a puzzle
that only those steeped in arcane 17th C. lore can decipher (or one
who finds the vocals). I don't know how long that state of affairs will 
be tolerated.

I only have two uses for guitar tab:

1. In instruction, to show where the notes are to beginners:

http://www.openguitar.com/pdf/gnotes.pdf

2. Or to deal with the many variant tunings.

Regards, daveA

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Re: Installing 2.12

[David Raleigh Arnold]

On Friday 13 February 2009, Ralph Palmer wrote:
> Hi -
> 
> I'm now a re-newbie, sort of. I just took the plunge into Linux, from 
WinXP,
> and I've run into a difficulty.
> 
> I'm running Ubuntu 8.10 (Intrepid Ibex) on a laptop. Using Synaptic, I 
was
> able to install LilyPond 2.10 (I don't remember the release number). I
> downloaded 2.12.2-1 from the LilyPond website, and it's sitting on my
> desktop. I uninstalled 2.10, but I can't figure out how to install 
2.12 from
> the desktop file (*lilypond-2.12.2-1,linux-x86.sh*).

You need to make lilypond-2.12.2-1,linux-x86.sh
executable:  

$ chmod +x lilysh

And then to execute it.

Unlike windows, your current directory is probably not in the path, so 
to execute you need the path to the current directory, which is ".\"
If it is in the path, no harm done:

$ .\lilysh

Hope this helps.

Installing it in your home directory and Not installing it as root has 
the advantage of not having to mess
with configuration of synaptic or aptitude or whatever, in case you want 
to install a version from your distribution instead of what's on the
lilypond site. That may be a good idea when the release catches
up, after a decent interval. ;-) Regards, daveA

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Re: Installing 2.12

[Francisco Vila]

2009/2/13 David Raleigh Arnold :
> You need to make lilypond-2.12.2-1,linux-x86.sh
> executable:
>
> $ chmod +x lilysh
>
> And then to execute it.

sh lily...

does execute it, no need to make it executable.

>
> Unlike windows, your current directory is probably not in the path, so
> to execute you need the path to the current directory, which is ".\"
> If it is in the path, no harm done:
>
> $ .\lilysh
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Installing it in your home directory and Not installing it as root has
> the advantage of not having to mess
> with configuration of synaptic or aptitude or whatever, in case you want
> to install a version from your distribution instead of what's on the
> lilypond site.

But then you have to mess with the execution path, which does not
include  ~/bin/ by default. Not perfect for a novice.

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Re: RemoveEmptyStaffContext

[Nicolas Sceaux]

Le 10 févr. 09 à 10:40, Johan Vromans a écrit :


Hi,

I have a score with 3 voices, A, B, and C.
Voices B and C have a lot in common. For about half of the score the B
parts is identical to the C part.

By specifying rests in voice B where it is identical to voice C, and
using \RemoveEmptyStaffContext, LilyPond can eliminate printing of
voice B. That's good. And a space saver.

But, not surprisingly, this makes the generated MIDI less useful. I
split the MIDI into separate parts for the individual voices, and now
voice B will have large gaps where it should sound the same as voice
C. I hope it is clear what I mean.



You can make the second staff removable where the two voices are the  
same.

For instance:

\version "2.12.2"

startHaraKiri = \set Staff.keepAliveInterfaces = #'()
stopHaraKiri = \unset Staff.keepAliveInterfaces

voiceA = { c'1 d' e' f' g' }
voiceB = { e'1 d' e' f' e' }
%% voice A and voiceB are the same on bar 2, 3 and 4:
haraKiriVoiceB = { s1 \startHaraKiri s1*3 \stopHaraKiri s1 }

\score {
  <<
\new Staff << \voiceA \repeat unfold 4 { s1 \break } >>
%% make the second staff removable:
\new Staff \with { \override VerticalAxisGroup #'remove-empty = ##t
   \override Beam #'auto-knee-gap = #'()
   \consists "Hara_kiri_engraver"
   \remove "Axis_group_engraver" }
<< \voiceB \haraKiriVoiceB >>
  >>
}

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Re: Problem with fingering

[Tomas Valusek]

Hello,

thanks for solution. It's great to have any solution. Could anyone 
please send it into LSR for future reference?


Nevertheless, I consider it as a temporary solution. I'm a visually 
impaired teacher and I'm about to use LilyPond for providing fingering 
of played pieces for my pupils. So as I'm a piano teacher, I'm about to 
bump into fingering of chords containing seconds quite often. Every GUI 
notator which supports fingerings has a way for easy input of chord 
fingerings stacked vertically. It would be nice to have such behavior in 
LilyPond too, since the suggested hack will greatly reduce readability 
of notation sources, which can be used also as a source of music for 
blind musicians, who are used to read sequential representation of music.


Tomas Valusek

Trevor Daniels napsal(a):

It would be nice if LilyPond were able to resolve every possible
fingering configuration optimally, but it is a complex problem.

Generally, the options available work pretty well, and when they
don't there is the possibility to tweak the positions of individual
fingerings to your liking. Like this:

\relative c' {
  \set fingeringOrientations = #'(left)
  4
  \set fingeringOrientations = #'(down)
  4
  \set fingeringOrientations = #'(down right up)
  4
  \set fingeringOrientations = #'(up)
  4
}

Trevor

- Original Message - From: "David Stocker" 


To: "Tomas Valusek" 
Cc: "lilypond-user Mailinglist" 
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: Problem with fingering


This is a problem for me as well. I prefer my fingerings to the left 
of notes and chords in the score (for guitar music) and when notating 
chords that contain seconds, I'm forced to choose which notes to 
indicate fingerings for in order to avoid collisions. Another related 
problem: In chords involving notes with accidentals, some fingerings 
are displayed to the left of the accidental (good) while fingerings on 
notes without accidentals are not shifted left (ugly-and sometimes 
results in collisions between accidentals and fingering indications). 
It would be great to be able to tell LilyPond to display all 
fingerings for a chord in one vertical column, and to automatically 
resolve fingering collisions when there are fingerings for intervals 
smaller than a third.


Tomas Valusek wrote:

Hello,

let's modify slightly a snippet from NR 1.7.1, section Fingering 
Instructions:


\relative c' {
  \set fingeringOrientations = #'(left)
  4
  \set fingeringOrientations = #'(down)
  4
  \set fingeringOrientations = #'(down right up)
  4
  \set fingeringOrientations = #'(up)
  4
}

What we get? See attachement.

AFAIK, numbers in chord fingering should be one directly above the 
other, not shifted sideways. Si this a bug?


Tomas Valusek





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Re: RemoveEmptyStaffContext

[Johan Vromans]

Nicolas Sceaux  writes:

> You can make the second staff removable where the two voices are the
> same.
> For instance:

Nifty.

This should go in LSR.

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Newbie question: Brief alternative lyrics-and-notes during repeat

[aliteralmind]

How do you create lyrics for some brief alternative notes existing in
repeated sections (when there are not enough notes to justify duplicating
the section)? Here is a demonstration picture of what I am trying to do:

http://jeffyepstein.com/tmp/alternative_lyrics.gif

The red is what I can't figure, either with or without a second-verse of
lyrics. I cannot seem to add anything else without causing a problem. The
below lilypond code is a demonstration of my problem.

Thank you for any advice. I am new to LilyPond, but I'm a programmer and
have an excellent first impression of it--and I was going to spend 90 bucks,
when this is free??!!




---
\version "2.12.2"


\relative c'' {
   \time 4/4
\repeat volta 2 {  c4 b a g  }
\repeat volta 2 {  f4 e d c  }
\repeat volta 2 {  c'4 b a <<
\override Stem #'direction = #UP
   {  g4  }
\\
\teeny
   \override NoteColumn #'force-hshift = #1.7
\override Stem #'direction = #DOWN
\override Stem #'length = #4
   {  g16 a g8  }
>>}
\repeat volta 2 {  c,4 e <<
\override Stem #'direction = #UP
   {  g4 c4  }
\\
\teeny
   \override NoteColumn #'force-hshift = #1.7
\override Stem #'direction = #DOWN
\override Stem #'length = #4
   {  g8 g8 c4  }
>>}
}
\addlyrics { do ti la so fa mi ray do do ti la }
---

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Re: Newbie question: Brief alternative lyrics-and-notes during repeat

[Jonathan Kulp]

Welcome to Lilypond, Jeff. :)

What you're trying to do I would approach with more than one set of 
lyrics, coded as verseOne, verseTwo, etc., and with the voices separated 
into variables that can be assembled in a separate \score block.  I've 
taken your code and made an example of how I would approach it, and it 
looks very similar to the top example on your website.  The only thing 
that doesn't look quite right is the lyric extender line, so you might 
check into this in the Notation Reference and/or Learning Manual.


code attached.

HTH,

Jon


aliteralmind wrote:

How do you create lyrics for some brief alternative notes existing in
repeated sections (when there are not enough notes to justify duplicating
the section)? Here is a demonstration picture of what I am trying to do:

http://jeffyepstein.com/tmp/alternative_lyrics.gif

The red is what I can't figure, either with or without a second-verse of
lyrics. I cannot seem to add anything else without causing a problem. The
below lilypond code is a demonstration of my problem.

Thank you for any advice. I am new to LilyPond, but I'm a programmer and
have an excellent first impression of it--and I was going to spend 90 bucks,
when this is free??!!




---
\version "2.12.2"


\relative c'' {
   \time 4/4
\repeat volta 2 {  c4 b a g  }
\repeat volta 2 {  f4 e d c  }
\repeat volta 2 {  c'4 b a <<
\override Stem #'direction = #UP
   {  g4  }
\\
\teeny
   \override NoteColumn #'force-hshift = #1.7
\override Stem #'direction = #DOWN
\override Stem #'length = #4
   {  g16 a g8  }
>>}
\repeat volta 2 {  c,4 e <<
\override Stem #'direction = #UP
   {  g4 c4  }
\\
\teeny
   \override NoteColumn #'force-hshift = #1.7
\override Stem #'direction = #DOWN
\override Stem #'length = #4
   {  g8 g8 c4  }
>>}
}
\addlyrics { do ti la so fa mi ray do do ti la }
---




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http://www.jonathankulp.com
\version "2.12.2"

upper = \relative c'' {
  \time 4/4
  \oneVoice
  \repeat volta 2 {  c4 b a g  }
  \repeat volta 2 {  f4 e d c  }
  \repeat volta 2 {  c'4 b a \voiceOne g4  }
  \repeat volta 2 {  c,4 e g4 c4 }
}

lower = \relative c'' {
  s1 
  s1 
  s2 s4 \teeny
  \override NoteColumn #'force-hshift = #1.7
  \voiceTwo \override Stem #'length = #4 { g16 a g8 }
  s2 g8 g c4 
}

verseOne = \lyricmode { 
  do ti la so fa mi ray do do ti la so __ do mi so __ do
}

verseTwo = \lyricmode {
  so la so so so do 
}

\score {
  \context Staff = "voice" <<
\set Staff.instrumentName = "Voice"
\context Voice = "upper" { \upper }
\context Voice = "lower" { \lower }
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "upper" { \verseOne }
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "lower" { \verseTwo }
  >>  
  \layout { }
  \midi { }
}
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Titles on separate page

[sdfgsdhdshd]

i want the first system to be on the page after the titles.
If you put a huge value to after-title-space: the first system is still at
the same page (=> bug?).
I tried other parameters, but didn't managed to do it.

Any solution?

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