Re: [libreoffice-l10n] How does one find specific strings in the po files?

2011-12-17 Thread Rimas Kudelis

2011.12.16 22:00, Donald Rogers rašė:

Thanks, Andras

You said in the bug page (below): It happens when you use LibreOffice in other 
language than
your system locale.
I always have that situation, and probably most Esperanto speakers would have 
another language that they use.

I don't understand what you mean by "select the KeyID language...". I don't know what 
po-file the strings mentioned are in, so I don't know the KeyID. In the drop down list of the 
search field in Pootle there is an option "Locations". Is that where to put (a) known 
KeyID(s)?


The "KeyID language" is a pseudo-locale that is available in 
LibreOffice. AFAIK, it shows all KeyID's in the UI itself. You can 
choose it in the LibO preferences.


HTH
Rimas



On the matter of searching for a particular string, I found that searching for 
"Open..." is problematic because the search program trims the dots off and one 
cannot specify entire words only, so I got openoffice, OpenGL etc - too many hits. Where 
is the place to propose an enhancement of this type? Do you think that it would be useful?


If it would be useful for you, then the answer is definitely yes. The 
proper place to propose such enhancement would be on Pootle's bugzilla 
(bugs.locamotion.org), but if you don't want to create a yet another 
account, Pootle's developers are watching this list, so they often 
notice those suggestions even without reporting them (although I would 
consider filing an enhancement request preferred). Well, I just filed 
the request for you: http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2079 .


Regards,
Rimas


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Inter language teamwork (pootle enhancement request)

2011-12-17 Thread Rimas Kudelis

Hi Olivier,

2011.12.16 12:05, Olivier Hallot rašė:

Perhaps one of the pootle devs can read this... I have a very specific
enhencement request...

I translate to pt-BR. And one of the nicest fetures of pootle is the
ability to look at other languages to assist in the translation. I am
lucky, because I can use pt-PT, es and fr to help me.

But once in a while I clearly see that my colleages are mistaken in
their translation. I want to help them to correct their error, but to do
that I must quit my translation job and either go to theirs or send a mail.

So it will be nice to have a simple button to help me to suggest my
colleagues a better translation without quitting my screen...

That will increase the revision power.


I filed this on your behalf as 
http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2080 .


Regards,
Rimas


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Inter language teamwork (pootle enhancement request)

2011-12-17 Thread Olivier Hallot
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Hi

Em 17-12-2011 06:19, Rimas Kudelis escreveu:
> Hi Olivier,
> 
> 2011.12.16 12:05, Olivier Hallot raš?:

(snip)

> 
> I filed this on your behalf as
> http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2080 .
> 
> Regards,
> Rimas
> 
> 

Thank you Rimas!

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] How does one find specific strings in the po files?

2011-12-17 Thread Sérgio Marques
2011/12/17 Rimas Kudelis 

> 2011.12.16 22:00, Donald Rogers rašė:
>
>> Thanks, Andras
>>
>> You said in the bug page (below): It happens when you use LibreOffice in
>> other language than
>> your system locale.
>> I always have that situation, and probably most Esperanto speakers would
>> have another language that they use.
>>
>> I don't understand what you mean by "select the KeyID language...". I
>> don't know what po-file the strings mentioned are in, so I don't know the
>> KeyID. In the drop down list of the search field in Pootle there is an
>> option "Locations". Is that where to put (a) known KeyID(s)?
>>
>
> The "KeyID language" is a pseudo-locale that is available in LibreOffice.
> AFAIK, it shows all KeyID's in the UI itself. You can choose it in the LibO
> preferences.
>
> HTH
> Rimas
>
>
>  On the matter of searching for a particular string, I found that
>> searching for "Open..." is problematic because the search program trims the
>> dots off and one cannot specify entire words only, so I got openoffice,
>> OpenGL etc - too many hits. Where is the place to propose an enhancement of
>> this type? Do you think that it would be useful?
>>
>
> If it would be useful for you, then the answer is definitely yes. The
> proper place to propose such enhancement would be on Pootle's bugzilla (
> bugs.locamotion.org), but if you don't want to create a yet another
> account, Pootle's developers are watching this list, so they often notice
> those suggestions even without reporting them (although I would consider
> filing an enhancement request preferred). Well, I just filed the request
> for you: http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2079 .
>
> Regards,
> Rimas
>

One thing that would also be useful is the ability of ignore accelerators.
 If one wants to find Open and the word is O~pen, the second won´t appear
on the search.

This is definitely annoying and contra producing. This feature is a must
have for search function. What do You guys think about it?



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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Inter language teamwork (pootle enhancement request)

2011-12-17 Thread Sérgio Marques
2011/12/17 Olivier Hallot 

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> Em 17-12-2011 06:19, Rimas Kudelis escreveu:
> > Hi Olivier,
> >
> > 2011.12.16 12:05, Olivier Hallot raš?:
>
> (snip)
>
> >
> > I filed this on your behalf as
> > http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2080 .
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rimas
> >
> >
>
> Thank you Rimas!
>
> Regards
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Hi Olivier. What´s You username in pootle so I can add You to portuguesa
team?

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Inter language teamwork (pootle enhancement request)

2011-12-17 Thread Olivier Hallot
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Hi Sérgio

"olivier"

Thanks

Olivier

Em 17-12-2011 08:53, Sérgio Marques escreveu:
> 2011/12/17 Olivier Hallot 
> 
> Hi
> 
> Em 17-12-2011 06:19, Rimas Kudelis escreveu:
 Hi Olivier,

 2011.12.16 12:05, Olivier Hallot raš?:
> 
> (snip)
> 

 I filed this on your behalf as
 http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2080 .

 Regards,
 Rimas


> 
> Thank you Rimas!
> 
> Regards
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Inter language teamwork (pootle enhancement request)

2011-12-17 Thread Sérgio Marques
2011/12/17 Olivier Hallot 

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Done.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] How does one find specific strings in the po files?

2011-12-17 Thread Rimas Kudelis

2011.12.17 12:52, Sérgio Marques rašė:

2011/12/17 Rimas Kudelis


2011.12.16 22:00, Donald Rogers rašė:


Thanks, Andras

You said in the bug page (below): It happens when you use LibreOffice in
other language than
your system locale.
I always have that situation, and probably most Esperanto speakers would
have another language that they use.

I don't understand what you mean by "select the KeyID language...". I
don't know what po-file the strings mentioned are in, so I don't know the
KeyID. In the drop down list of the search field in Pootle there is an
option "Locations". Is that where to put (a) known KeyID(s)?


The "KeyID language" is a pseudo-locale that is available in LibreOffice.
AFAIK, it shows all KeyID's in the UI itself. You can choose it in the LibO
preferences.

HTH
Rimas


  On the matter of searching for a particular string, I found that

searching for "Open..." is problematic because the search program trims the
dots off and one cannot specify entire words only, so I got openoffice,
OpenGL etc - too many hits. Where is the place to propose an enhancement of
this type? Do you think that it would be useful?


If it would be useful for you, then the answer is definitely yes. The
proper place to propose such enhancement would be on Pootle's bugzilla (
bugs.locamotion.org), but if you don't want to create a yet another
account, Pootle's developers are watching this list, so they often notice
those suggestions even without reporting them (although I would consider
filing an enhancement request preferred). Well, I just filed the request
for you: http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2079 .

Regards,
Rimas


One thing that would also be useful is the ability of ignore accelerators.
  If one wants to find Open and the word is O~pen, the second won´t appear
on the search.

This is definitely annoying and contra producing. This feature is a must
have for search function. What do You guys think about it?



I think this is already filed as 
http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=327 ?


Rimas


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] How does one find specific strings in the po files?

2011-12-17 Thread Sérgio Marques
One thing that would also be useful is the ability of ignore accelerators.
 If one wants to find Open and the word is O~pen, the second won´t appear
on the search.

This is definitely annoying and contra producing. This feature is a must
have for search function. What do You guys think about it?


> I think this is already filed as
> http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=327 ?
>
>
>
>
Hi Rimas

Yes, I´ve already saw this entry but I think that it´s the opposite. The
title says " Ensure that searching in Pootle *takes accelerators into
account" *(my bold)

With this title I guess (don´t know for sure) that the accelerator must be
taken in order to achieve results. What I meant was  " Ensure that
searching in Pootle *don´t* take accelerators into account"

So when I write Open, O~pen; Op~en and Ope~n appear in search. Or am I
getting this the wrong way?
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] How does one find specific strings in the po files?

2011-12-17 Thread Rimas Kudelis

2011.12.17 13:55, Sérgio Marques rašė:

One thing that would also be useful is the ability of ignore accelerators.
  If one wants to find Open and the word is O~pen, the second won´t appear
on the search.

This is definitely annoying and contra producing. This feature is a must
have for search function. What do You guys think about it?



I think this is already filed as
http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=327 ?





Hi Rimas

Yes, I´ve already saw this entry but I think that it´s the opposite. The
title says " Ensure that searching in Pootle *takes accelerators into
account" *(my bold)

With this title I guess (don´t know for sure) that the accelerator must be
taken in order to achieve results. What I meant was  " Ensure that
searching in Pootle *don´t* take accelerators into account"

So when I write Open, O~pen; Op~en and Ope~n appear in search. Or am I
getting this the wrong way?


I think that bug is about both: searching with an accelerator ("O~pen") 
and finding strings with accelerators when searching without them (your 
case). That bug needs some noise though, I guess... :)


Rimas


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] How does one find specific strings in the po files?

2011-12-17 Thread Sérgio Marques
2011/12/17 Rimas Kudelis 

> 2011.12.17 13:55, Sérgio Marques rašė:
>
>> One thing that would also be useful is the ability of ignore accelerators.
>>  If one wants to find Open and the word is O~pen, the second won´t appear
>> on the search.
>>
>> This is definitely annoying and contra producing. This feature is a must
>> have for search function. What do You guys think about it?
>>
>>
>>  I think this is already filed as
>>> http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=327 ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Hi Rimas
>>
>> Yes, I´ve already saw this entry but I think that it´s the opposite. The
>> title says " Ensure that searching in Pootle *takes accelerators into
>> account" *(my bold)
>>
>>
>> With this title I guess (don´t know for sure) that the accelerator must be
>> taken in order to achieve results. What I meant was  " Ensure that
>> searching in Pootle *don´t* take accelerators into account"
>>
>>
>> So when I write Open, O~pen; Op~en and Ope~n appear in search. Or am I
>> getting this the wrong way?
>>
>
> I think that bug is about both: searching with an accelerator ("O~pen")
> and finding strings with accelerators when searching without them (your
> case). That bug needs some noise though, I guess... :)
>
>
> Rimas
>

You´re probably right. But can You make that noise ;-) ?

I don´t have a locamotion account, so if You could do it I´ll appreciate it.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] How does one find specific strings in the po files?

2011-12-17 Thread Christian Lohmaier
On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Sérgio Marques  wrote:
> One thing that would also be useful is the ability of ignore accelerators.
>  If one wants to find Open and the word is O~pen, the second won´t appear
> on the search.
>
> This is definitely annoying and contra producing. This feature is a must
> have for search function. What do You guys think about it?
>
>
>> I think this is already filed as
>> http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=327 ?
>
> Yes, I´ve already saw this entry but I think that it´s the opposite. The
> title says " Ensure that searching in Pootle *takes accelerators into
> account" *(my bold)

Note that this won't be 100% accurate, as LibreOffice assigns
mnemonics automatically when they are not set - and there is no way
for pootle to know what mnemonic LO did choose...
(i.e when searching for ~Open, only return results with ~Open (& no
accelerator at all because of the above stated reason), but no results
with O~pen or Op~en or Ope~n.

However, (and that is stated in the bugreport already): when just
searching for "Open"
it should return all variants: no accelerator, ~Open, O~pen, Op~en and Ope~n.

Whether this is possible depends on the indexer that is being used (or
when no indexer is used) - pootle can use lucene and xapian as
indexer. Our pootle is using xapian.

So the requirements are:
* There must be a tokenizer that preserves the mnemonics and doesn't
flatten them out (i.e. make Open out of O~pen - O~pen must be stored
in the index)
* The search must be able to return all matches when no mnemonic is
given. This probably is harder, and probably the only way to do is is
to search for all possible variants. And this implies that a new
option "ignore mnemonics" is needed.

This sounds ugly, thus a custom tokenizer that will flattens out the ~
and additionally stores a "MNEMONIC_O~pen" or a similar construct
sound cleaner.
So searching without mnemonic (the default) will just search the
flattened out string (i.e. ~ removed), and when user activates "[x]
search mnemonic" it will only find the MNEMONIC_O~pen one (depending
on whether ~ is a special character in xapian or not, imagine another
character at the corresponding position instead) - it will not return
the instances where LO did define the mnemonic.
This might as well confuse people, as they see the mnemonic in the UI,
and thus expect search for mnemonic to turn it up, but IMHO this is a
nicer solution.

It is very very hard to please everyone though

ciao
Christian

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[libreoffice-l10n] Pootle: api.apertium.org

2011-12-17 Thread Olivier Hallot
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Hello

Each time I click in a "copy into translation" icon, something is fired
towards api.apertium.org, which is slowing the overall copy process
(latency).

I am not sure where apertium.org is helping me. Any clues?

Also, if it doesn't help, is there a way to disable it?

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] How does one find specific strings in the po files?

2011-12-17 Thread Donald Rogers

On 18/12/2011, at 12:55 AM, Sérgio Marques wrote:

> One thing that would also be useful is the ability of ignore accelerators.
> If one wants to find Open and the word is O~pen, the second won´t appear
> on the search.
> 
> This is definitely annoying and contra producing. This feature is a must
> have for search function. What do You guys think about it?
> 
> 
>> I think this is already filed as
>> http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=327 ?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> Hi Rimas
> 
> Yes, I´ve already saw this entry but I think that it´s the opposite. The
> title says " Ensure that searching in Pootle *takes accelerators into
> account" *(my bold)
> 
> With this title I guess (don´t know for sure) that the accelerator must be
> taken in order to achieve results. What I meant was  " Ensure that
> searching in Pootle *don´t* take accelerators into account"
> 
> So when I write Open, O~pen; Op~en and Ope~n appear in search. Or am I
> getting this the wrong way?
> -- 
> Sérgio Marques

Hello

pogrep has an option to cope with accelerators, so it should be possible to use 
that switch in Pootle search too.
"takes accelerators into account" probably means use the pogrep switch for 
accelerators, which does what you want. It does sound ambiguous, I agree.
You could try using pogrep directly, as proposed by Olav Dahlum (2011-12-17) in 
this thread. I tried it and it is useful.

Donald
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] How does one find specific strings in the po files?

2011-12-17 Thread Donald Rogers

On 17/12/2011, at 11:16 AM, Olav Dahlum wrote:

> On 16/12/11 21:00, Donald Rogers wrote:
>> Thanks, Andras
>> 
>> You said in the bug page (below): It happens when you use LibreOffice in 
>> other language than
>> your system locale. 
>> I always have that situation, and probably most Esperanto speakers would 
>> have another language that they use.
>> 
>> I don't understand what you mean by "select the KeyID language...". I don't 
>> know what po-file the strings mentioned are in, so I don't know the KeyID. 
>> In the drop down list of the search field in Pootle there is an option 
>> "Locations". Is that where to put (a) known KeyID(s)?
>> 
>> On the matter of searching for a particular string, I found that searching 
>> for "Open..." is problematic because the search program trims the dots off 
>> and one cannot specify entire words only, so I got openoffice, OpenGL etc - 
>> too many hits. Where is the place to propose an enhancement of this type? Do 
>> you think that it would be useful?
>> 
>> Regards
>> Donald
>> 
> 
> In many cases downloading the tree and parsing it with tools like grep
> or similar might be easier.
> You also benefit from having a offline compendium for later use, built
> from both recent and older
> translations. I previously used KBabel, and now its replacement
> Lokalize, for offline work. Much
> more manageable than translating in Pootle IMHO. I still do the easier
> bits directly in Pootle.
> E.g Andras updates the files in Pootle, so I don't have to work as I did
> in the past, leaving
> me more time to translate.
> 
> – Olav

Hi

I have used KBabel and Lokalize previously too. I currently use gtranslator and 
download files for editing. The big advantage of all these tools is that if the 
string, or a very similar one, has been translated before (which is often the 
case), it pops up in the translation memory field and pressing a Ctrl key 
combination will copy it into the msgstr.

Thanks to all those who have commented.

Donald
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