Re: [GNC] How to manage earmarked funds

[Mike or Penny Novack]

On 9/12/2019 1:49 PM, Fred Frazelle wrote:

Dear sirs:

We are a non-profit and receive contributions.  Every once in a 
while the Assembly sets up a fund for something special, like a Center 
and the believers contribute.  The money in this fund cannot be used 
for anything else.  Since we are just setting this up, we already have 
some money in one of these Funds.  We set the account Center up as a 
liability, since it hasn't been built yet but then the program says 
Imbalance (i really like this feature - you can see immediately that 
something is amiss - lol).  i already have the monetary amount listed 
in one of the Equity/Opening Balances. Obviously i'm not an accountant 
and am trying to wrap my head around this... 


But that you got an "Imbalance" simply means that you did not enter the 
transaction correctly >


Michael D Novack
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[GNC] Convert credit cards as expenses to credit cards as liabilities?

[ornd25]

Can I convert credit cards as expenses to credit cards as liabilities 
reasonably easily, or is my best choice to start doing it properly now and 
leave the old transactions alone?

I have just started with GnuCash and have imported and hand-massaged 10 years 
worth of records from two other financial managers. In them I was tracking only 
Income and Expenses and therefore treated credit cards as expenses in a 
simplified manner, that is, one credit card entry per month per credit card in 
Expenses:Credit Card and one entry per month paying that bill from 
Bank:Checking. Each Bank:checking was reconciled, and Expenses:credit card was 
not reconciled. 

There are two credit cards so Expenses:credit card has approximately 240 
entries for 10 years.

I intend to continue with the simplified approach per the documentation, so I 
won't be entering individual credit card charges, just the monthly amount.

MY first thought was to change Expenses:Credit Card to Liabilities:Credit Card, 
but then I'd be left without an Expense:Credit Card.

I actually don't mind manipulating 240 transactions, but entering 240 of them 
invites errors.

Do I have a way to do this? If so, please explain simply, remembering my newbie 
status.

Thanks.




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Re: [GNC] Convert credit cards as expenses to credit cards as liabilities?

[Adrien Monteleone]

If you’re going to keep using the simplified method, there’s no point to 
changing the account type.

#1 you’d lose expense tracking entirely for anything spent via the card.
#2 credit card liability would forever be ’negative’ (meaning they owe you)

The simplified method works as you have been doing it.

The more real-world method is as follows:

-
When making a purchase on credit:

Dr. Expenses:(whatever)
Cr. Liabilities:Credit Card

When making a payment on the card:

Dr. Liabilities:Credit Card
Cr. Checking

Now you can track what you spent the money on, as well as how much you owe on 
the card.

--

With the current method, all you are doing is recording the card payment from 
checking and no specific expense tracking at all. (even though it is listed as 
an expense account, you keep increasing it forever as a generic) But an Income 
Statement will make sense, as will your Balance Sheet

With the switch you are considering, you’d just be doing the second of the 
above two transactions instead of:

Dr. Expenses:Credit Card
Cr. Checking

Which would remove expenses entirely and make your liabilities look like assets 
since they are negative. (because you keep paying more down, without the charge 
part of the transaction) So both your Income Statement and Balance Sheet would 
be wrong.

It wouldn’t be hard to switch the historical data, especially since it is just 
240 transactions. (which you’ve already noted you don’t mind altering)

That would *maybe* involve changing the account type. You shouldn’t need to 
alter those 240 transactions, because those splits assigned to the card are 
still going to be debits. (they were payments, now on a liability which is 
correct)

If you can’t just change the type, then create the new liability account and 
then delete the old expense account. When GnuCash asks, choose the liability 
version to assign the transactions to. In a very worst case, you’d have to do 
that manually 240 times, but I think it is going to be more automatic than that.

What you would need to do for the card account balance to make sense (and not 
understate your liabilities) is to also enter 240 expense transactions between 
the card and ’something’. (you might also do this as annual transactions, or 
even a single transaction as the sum of everything up to this point)

If you don’t know or don’t care what those historical transactions were for, 
you could either leave the expenses:card in place and assign them there, or 
create a ‘miscellaneous’ account or something similar and then proceed in the 
future with recording actual expenses paid with the card.

You might also be able to download some of that actual history from your card 
company if you think you want it. (I doubt all 10 years though)

Regards,
Adrien


> On Sep 13, 2019 w37d256, at 10:51 AM,  
>  wrote:
> 
> Can I convert credit cards as expenses to credit cards as liabilities 
> reasonably easily, or is my best choice to start doing it properly now and 
> leave the old transactions alone?
> 
> I have just started with GnuCash and have imported and hand-massaged 10 years 
> worth of records from two other financial managers. In them I was tracking 
> only Income and Expenses and therefore treated credit cards as expenses in a 
> simplified manner, that is, one credit card entry per month per credit card 
> in Expenses:Credit Card and one entry per month paying that bill from 
> Bank:Checking. Each Bank:checking was reconciled, and Expenses:credit card 
> was not reconciled. 
> 
> There are two credit cards so Expenses:credit card has approximately 240 
> entries for 10 years.
> 
> I intend to continue with the simplified approach per the documentation, so I 
> won't be entering individual credit card charges, just the monthly amount.
> 
> MY first thought was to change Expenses:Credit Card to Liabilities:Credit 
> Card, but then I'd be left without an Expense:Credit Card.
> 
> I actually don't mind manipulating 240 transactions, but entering 240 of them 
> invites errors.
> 
> Do I have a way to do this? If so, please explain simply, remembering my 
> newbie status.
> 
> Thanks.


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Re: [GNC] Convert credit cards as expenses to credit cards as liabilities?

[Adrien Monteleone]

To be clear, what I meant by ‘download from your card company’ is you might be 
able to directly import that into GnuCash so you don’t have to type it. The 
same goes for future transactions. That would get you both proper expense and 
liability tracking.

Most card companies should offer CSV as a download format, but not all. GnuCash 
has several formats it can import. Check to see what your issuing bank offers 
and then check in the Help Manual & Guide to see what GnuCash can import.

People here on the list can assist with the import and some may even use the 
same card/bank and be familiar with the kinks of their format.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Sep 13, 2019 w37d256, at 11:23 AM, Adrien Monteleone 
>  wrote:
> 
> If you’re going to keep using the simplified method, there’s no point to 
> changing the account type.
> 
> #1 you’d lose expense tracking entirely for anything spent via the card.
> #2 credit card liability would forever be ’negative’ (meaning they owe you)
> 
> The simplified method works as you have been doing it.
> 
> The more real-world method is as follows:
> 
> -
> When making a purchase on credit:
> 
> Dr. Expenses:(whatever)
> Cr. Liabilities:Credit Card
> 
> When making a payment on the card:
> 
> Dr. Liabilities:Credit Card
> Cr. Checking
> 
> Now you can track what you spent the money on, as well as how much you owe on 
> the card.
> 
> --
> 
> With the current method, all you are doing is recording the card payment from 
> checking and no specific expense tracking at all. (even though it is listed 
> as an expense account, you keep increasing it forever as a generic) But an 
> Income Statement will make sense, as will your Balance Sheet
> 
> With the switch you are considering, you’d just be doing the second of the 
> above two transactions instead of:
> 
> Dr. Expenses:Credit Card
> Cr. Checking
> 
> Which would remove expenses entirely and make your liabilities look like 
> assets since they are negative. (because you keep paying more down, without 
> the charge part of the transaction) So both your Income Statement and Balance 
> Sheet would be wrong.
> 
> It wouldn’t be hard to switch the historical data, especially since it is 
> just 240 transactions. (which you’ve already noted you don’t mind altering)
> 
> That would *maybe* involve changing the account type. You shouldn’t need to 
> alter those 240 transactions, because those splits assigned to the card are 
> still going to be debits. (they were payments, now on a liability which is 
> correct)
> 
> If you can’t just change the type, then create the new liability account and 
> then delete the old expense account. When GnuCash asks, choose the liability 
> version to assign the transactions to. In a very worst case, you’d have to do 
> that manually 240 times, but I think it is going to be more automatic than 
> that.
> 
> What you would need to do for the card account balance to make sense (and not 
> understate your liabilities) is to also enter 240 expense transactions 
> between the card and ’something’. (you might also do this as annual 
> transactions, or even a single transaction as the sum of everything up to 
> this point)
> 
> If you don’t know or don’t care what those historical transactions were for, 
> you could either leave the expenses:card in place and assign them there, or 
> create a ‘miscellaneous’ account or something similar and then proceed in the 
> future with recording actual expenses paid with the card.
> 
> You might also be able to download some of that actual history from your card 
> company if you think you want it. (I doubt all 10 years though)
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> 
>> On Sep 13, 2019 w37d256, at 10:51 AM,  
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Can I convert credit cards as expenses to credit cards as liabilities 
>> reasonably easily, or is my best choice to start doing it properly now and 
>> leave the old transactions alone?
>> 
>> I have just started with GnuCash and have imported and hand-massaged 10 
>> years worth of records from two other financial managers. In them I was 
>> tracking only Income and Expenses and therefore treated credit cards as 
>> expenses in a simplified manner, that is, one credit card entry per month 
>> per credit card in Expenses:Credit Card and one entry per month paying that 
>> bill from Bank:Checking. Each Bank:checking was reconciled, and 
>> Expenses:credit card was not reconciled. 
>> 
>> There are two credit cards so Expenses:credit card has approximately 240 
>> entries for 10 years.
>> 
>> I intend to continue with the simplified approach per the documentation, so 
>> I won't be entering individual credit card charges, just the monthly amount.
>> 
>> MY first thought was to change Expenses:Credit Card to Liabilities:Credit 
>> Card, but then I'd be left without an Expense:Credit Card.
>> 
>> I actually don't mind manipulating 240 transactions, but entering 240 of 
>> them invites errors.
>> 
>> Do I have a way to do this? If so, please explain simply, r

[GNC] Net Worth Charts

[Tim Kallmer]

Why would today's net worth shown on the net worth chart not equal the
total equity shown on the balance sheet? The selected accounts are
identical. The difference does not equal any item on the balance sheet,
such as unrealized gains or retained earnings. So it's not making sense to
me. I'm trying to figure out how the net worth chart values are calculated.
What am I missing?
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Re: [GNC] Net Worth Charts

[Adrien Monteleone]

Make sure to use the same price source for securities and currencies. (trading 
accounts)

Mine was off as well, till I checked that and realized the Balance Sheet 
defaults to ’nearest in time’ but the Net Worth Line & Bar Charts default to 
‘weighted average’.

Personally, I prefer ’nearest in time’ because it is just an estimation anyway 
and at least that would reflect the most real price when acquired.

Once I sync’d those settings on the report and charts, everything lined up. Of 
course, any source should work I would think as long as they are all the same.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Sep 13, 2019 w37d256, at 11:37 AM, Tim Kallmer  wrote:
> 
> Why would today's net worth shown on the net worth chart not equal the
> total equity shown on the balance sheet? The selected accounts are
> identical. The difference does not equal any item on the balance sheet,
> such as unrealized gains or retained earnings. So it's not making sense to
> me. I'm trying to figure out how the net worth chart values are calculated.
> What am I missing?

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[GNC] cryptocurrency with many decimals

[Christian Pinedo Zamalloa]

Hello,

I am taking part in the airdrop of Stellar Lumens (XLM) in the keybase
application so I received some free XLM cryptocoins that I would like
to account with gnucash.

The problem I have is the number of decimals. Cryptocurrency uses up
to 7 decimals (11,1234567) and the price of the currency is often
available with 6 decimals, for example, yesterday's XLM/EUR price was
0.052929 
(https://www.investing.com/crypto/stellar/xlm-eur-historical-data?cid=1129224)

I configured an stock account in gnucash to track XLM coins: I set the
numbers I received with 7 decimals, I enter the price (this is round
to 4 decimals) and finally I get the value rounded to only 2 decimals
(this is the main problem).

The problem I have is that I need to enter very low fees of 0,2
XML @ 0,052929  = 0,01059 € (from Asset:XML to Expense:XML). So
these commissions are rounded to 0 € of value by gnucash and my
balance fails because I reduce the number of XML coins for 0 euros.

What could I do to face it? Thanks!

-- 
Christian Pinedo Zamalloa (zako)
PGP keyID: 0xdb577d4ee6ffbd55
PGP Fgprt: A895 7C11 84F6 30B4 4938  32A4 9306 DFD0 CDE4 B542
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Re: [GNC] cryptocurrency with many decimals

[Michael Hendry]

> On 13 Sep 2019, at 18:40, Christian Pinedo Zamalloa  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I am taking part in the airdrop of Stellar Lumens (XLM) in the keybase
> application so I received some free XLM cryptocoins that I would like
> to account with gnucash.
> 
> The problem I have is the number of decimals. Cryptocurrency uses up
> to 7 decimals (11,1234567) and the price of the currency is often
> available with 6 decimals, for example, yesterday's XLM/EUR price was
> 0.052929 
> (https://www.investing.com/crypto/stellar/xlm-eur-historical-data?cid=1129224)
> 
> I configured an stock account in gnucash to track XLM coins: I set the
> numbers I received with 7 decimals, I enter the price (this is round
> to 4 decimals) and finally I get the value rounded to only 2 decimals
> (this is the main problem).
> 
> The problem I have is that I need to enter very low fees of 0,2
> XML @ 0,052929  = 0,01059 € (from Asset:XML to Expense:XML). So
> these commissions are rounded to 0 € of value by gnucash and my
> balance fails because I reduce the number of XML coins for 0 euros.
> 
> What could I do to face it? Thanks!


If you were to record your transactions in nanoXLM (i.e. multiply the GnuCash 
entries in XLM by 10^9), would that work?

Michael
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[GNC] Gnucash not obtaining lock Solved

[Bob Hammons]

The trouble was Windows Defender in a recent update blocked Gnucash,  Quicken 
and Open Office data directories.
This was in the Ransom ware section
Here is a website that explains how to fix this
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/113430-add-remove-allowed-apps-controlled-folder-access-windows-10-a.html
[https://www.bing.com/th?id=OVP.EhXW6Ro3CeaK_I93mIrZSQCACA&pid=Api]
Add or Remove Allowed Apps for Controlled Folder Access in Windows 
10
How to Add or Remove Allowed Apps through Controlled Folder Access in Windows 10
www.tenforums.com
Use option 1
Wasn't very nice of MS to do this without any notice that these programs would 
be blocked
Thanks again for you help I did learn a little more about Windows but something 
new will pop up I am sure.

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re:  Gnucash cannot obtain the lock (Adrien Monteleone)
   2. Re:  Assign one payment to multiple invoices (from several
  customers) (Derek Atkins)
   3. Re:  Assign one payment to multiple invoices (from several
  customers) (Fred Smith)
   4. Re:  Assign one payment to multiple invoices (from several
  customers) (Adrien Monteleone)
   5. Re:  Assign one payment to multiple invoices (from several
  customers) (Geert Janssens)
   6. Re:  Assign one payment to multiple invoices (from several
  customers) (Adrien Monteleone)
   7. Re:  gnucash-user Digest, Vol 198, Issue 21 (Bob Hammons)
   8.  small annoyance with 3.7 (Bert Riding)
   9. Re:  Gnucash cannot obtain the lock (Adrien Monteleone)
  10. Re:  small annoyance with 3.7 (Adrien Monteleone)
  11.  QIF File Format (CharlieRyde)
  12. Re:  QIF File Format (Peter West)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:31:09 -0500
From: Adrien Monteleone 
To: gnucash-user 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnucash cannot obtain the lock
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset=utf-8

Nothing like an OS getting in the way of what you want to do with your own 
machine, redefining the meaning of common words, and changing long held 
paradigms and workflows...

Thanks for the education.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Sep 11, 2019 w37d254, at 10:04 AM, A Harvey  wrote:
>
> Here's an article that confirms what Liz said. It also shows how to change
> Windows 10 behavior in this regard.
>
> https://www.howtogeek.com/349114/shutting-down-doesnt-fully-shut-down-windows-10-but-restarting-it-does/
>
> -Arthur
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 4:55 AM Liz  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 13:49:12 -0500
>> Adrien Monteleone  wrote:
>>
>>> It should, but some computers don?t ?cold? reboot, this might be the
>>> case if you are using the ?restart? option in Windows rather than
>>> ?Shutdown? and then pressing the power button to turn it back on.
>>> (and even with pressing the power button to turn off, sometimes, the
>>> darn things just ?hibernate? as a convenience.)
>>
>> I think that Windows 10 only does a full reboot if you choose "restart".
>> I decline to be a Windows expert, and am happy if someone else can
>> comment.
>>
>> Liz



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Re: [GNC] cryptocurrency with many decimals

[Christian Pinedo Zamalloa]

If I understand well, i would have the same behaviour. If i use nXLM, I
reduce the number of decimals of the quantity (which now it is not a
problem, i can set 7 decimals for xml currency) but i increase the decimals
of the price (perhaps a problem) and i get the same value in euros which is
the actual problem.

Am i wrong?

--
Christian Pinedo Zamalloa (zako)
Sent from my mobile device, please excuse brevity or typos

El vie., 13 sept. 2019 19:48, Michael Hendry 
escribió:

> > On 13 Sep 2019, at 18:40, Christian Pinedo Zamalloa <
> chr.pin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am taking part in the airdrop of Stellar Lumens (XLM) in the keybase
> > application so I received some free XLM cryptocoins that I would like
> > to account with gnucash.
> >
> > The problem I have is the number of decimals. Cryptocurrency uses up
> > to 7 decimals (11,1234567) and the price of the currency is often
> > available with 6 decimals, for example, yesterday's XLM/EUR price was
> > 0.052929 (
> https://www.investing.com/crypto/stellar/xlm-eur-historical-data?cid=1129224
> )
> >
> > I configured an stock account in gnucash to track XLM coins: I set the
> > numbers I received with 7 decimals, I enter the price (this is round
> > to 4 decimals) and finally I get the value rounded to only 2 decimals
> > (this is the main problem).
> >
> > The problem I have is that I need to enter very low fees of 0,2
> > XML @ 0,052929  = 0,01059 € (from Asset:XML to Expense:XML). So
> > these commissions are rounded to 0 € of value by gnucash and my
> > balance fails because I reduce the number of XML coins for 0 euros.
> >
> > What could I do to face it? Thanks!
>
>
> If you were to record your transactions in nanoXLM (i.e. multiply the
> GnuCash entries in XLM by 10^9), would that work?
>
> Michael
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Re: [GNC] cryptocurrency with many decimals

[John Ralls]

> On Sep 13, 2019, at 10:40 AM, Christian Pinedo Zamalloa 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I am taking part in the airdrop of Stellar Lumens (XLM) in the keybase
> application so I received some free XLM cryptocoins that I would like
> to account with gnucash.
> 
> The problem I have is the number of decimals. Cryptocurrency uses up
> to 7 decimals (11,1234567) and the price of the currency is often
> available with 6 decimals, for example, yesterday's XLM/EUR price was
> 0.052929 
> (https://www.investing.com/crypto/stellar/xlm-eur-historical-data?cid=1129224)
> 
> I configured an stock account in gnucash to track XLM coins: I set the
> numbers I received with 7 decimals, I enter the price (this is round
> to 4 decimals) and finally I get the value rounded to only 2 decimals
> (this is the main problem).
> 
> The problem I have is that I need to enter very low fees of 0,2
> XML @ 0,052929  = 0,01059 € (from Asset:XML to Expense:XML). So
> these commissions are rounded to 0 € of value by gnucash and my
> balance fails because I reduce the number of XML coins for 0 euros.
> 
> What could I do to face it? Thanks!

You need to change the commodity in your Expense:XML account to XML. Fractions 
of Euros (and any other real-world currency) smaller than 1/100 simply don't 
exist.

Regards,
John Ralls

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Re: [GNC] Gnucash not obtaining lock Solved

[Adrien Monteleone]

Bob,

Thanks for reporting back not only that you solved it but documenting the steps.

I hope no one else has the same issue, but if so, there is now a reference for 
them.

I’ll have to keep this in mind when I migrate some computers to Win10 for some 
family members.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Sep 13, 2019 w37d256, at 12:50 PM, Bob Hammons  wrote:
> 
> The trouble was Windows Defender in a recent update blocked Gnucash,  Quicken 
> and Open Office data directories.
> This was in the Ransom ware section
> Here is a website that explains how to fix this
> https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/113430-add-remove-allowed-apps-controlled-folder-access-windows-10-a.html
> [https://www.bing.com/th?id=OVP.EhXW6Ro3CeaK_I93mIrZSQCACA&pid=Api]
> Add or Remove Allowed Apps for Controlled Folder Access in Windows 
> 10
> How to Add or Remove Allowed Apps through Controlled Folder Access in Windows 
> 10
> www.tenforums.com
> Use option 1
> Wasn't very nice of MS to do this without any notice that these programs 
> would be blocked
> Thanks again for you help I did learn a little more about Windows but 
> something new will pop up I am sure.


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[GNC] GnuCash 2.6.12 aborts (core dump) on Ubuntu 16 "hash table assertion failed"

[GWB]

Hello, GnuCash Users,

Gnucash will begin to start, then abort (crash) when launched, using
normal startup or gnucash --nofile --debug.  Output from terminal is:

$ gnucash --nofile --debug
Found Finance::Quote version 1.38
**
GLib:ERROR:/build/glib2.0-pjKWYQ/glib2.0-2.48.2/./glib/ghash.c:373:g_hash_table_lookup_node:
assertion failed: (hash_table->ref_count > 0)
Aborted (core dumped)

So this is some kind of hash table assertion failure?  I have the
gnucash.trace and apport bug reports as well, but before I send them I
thought I would ask if someone else has seen this.  I can rollback to
an earlier version of the file, but I would like to get this
particular version working now.

I might also copy the file to a Windows machine, and install GnuCash
there.  Or, possible, copy and upgrade to GnuCash 3, and then try to
figure out how to move my reports.

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Thanks,

Gordon Bynum
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[GNC] Badly formed URL unknown-type

[Uttam Chakravorty]

Firstly I apologise if I should be trying something other than posting
here.  If so, any guidance would be appreciated. 

I'm running Gnucash on Ubuntu 18.04 desktop to look after a small UK VAT
registered company (two people: my wife and our son). 

When I run 'Reports' -> 'Payable Ageing' (Trade Creditors). In the first
entry the Company is blank, the days are zero and there is -£2.54 in the
total column.

Clicking on -£2.54 calls up a box displaying 'Badly formed URL
unknown-type=&acct=48dfa64b05d642c5f5c4cc0513dba700'


I have run 'Actions' -> 'Check & Repair' globally and on each individual
account to no avail.  I'm stumbling around in the dark. 

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Re: [GNC] Badly formed URL unknown-type

[Geert Janssens]

Op vrijdag 13 september 2019 20:50:35 CEST schreef Uttam Chakravorty:
> Firstly I apologise if I should be trying something other than posting
> here.  If so, any guidance would be appreciated.
> 
> I'm running Gnucash on Ubuntu 18.04 desktop to look after a small UK VAT
> registered company (two people: my wife and our son).
> 
> When I run 'Reports' -> 'Payable Ageing' (Trade Creditors). In the first
> entry the Company is blank, the days are zero and there is -£2.54 in the
> total column.
> 
> Clicking on -£2.54 calls up a box displaying 'Badly formed URL
> unknown-type=&acct=48dfa64b05d642c5f5c4cc051
> 3dba700'
> 
> 
> I have run 'Actions' -> 'Check & Repair' globally and on each individual
> account to no avail.  I'm stumbling around in the dark.

Hi,

Which version of GnuCash are you using ? I seem to remember fixing this in one 
of the more recent releases.

Regards,

Geert



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Re: [GNC] Net Worth Charts

[Tim Kallmer]

>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 11:49:33 -0500
> From: Adrien Monteleone 
> To: Gnucash Users 
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Net Worth Charts
> Message-ID: <64870445-aba1-4c2a-bb56-9fd1b6411...@lusfiber.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;   charset=utf-8
>
> Make sure to use the same price source for securities and currencies.
> (trading accounts)
>
> Mine was off as well, till I checked that and realized the Balance Sheet
> defaults to ?nearest in time? but the Net Worth Line & Bar Charts default
> to ?weighted average?.
>
> Personally, I prefer ?nearest in time? because it is just an estimation
> anyway and at least that would reflect the most real price when acquired.
>
> Once I sync?d those settings on the report and charts, everything lined
> up. Of course, any source should work I would think as long as they are all
> the same.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
>
Thank you, Adrien. That was it. When I change both reports to Most Recent,
the values are exactly the same and up-to-date like I was expecting.
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Re: [GNC] cryptocurrency with many decimals

[Christian Pinedo Zamalloa]

Yes, perhaps using XLM as the security/currency of Expenses:XLM is the
best approach. I tried it. However I can't set XLM as currency of the
Expenses:XLM account. I defined the XLM under "CCC" (cryptocurrency)
namespace and it seems that in a Expense account I can only select a
national currency under "Currencies" namespace.

Do yo know, what I should have to do? to define XLM under "Currencies"
namespace, or a configuration change.

Thanks!

El vie., 13 sept. 2019 a las 20:02, John Ralls () escribió:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 13, 2019, at 10:40 AM, Christian Pinedo Zamalloa 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am taking part in the airdrop of Stellar Lumens (XLM) in the keybase
> > application so I received some free XLM cryptocoins that I would like
> > to account with gnucash.
> >
> > The problem I have is the number of decimals. Cryptocurrency uses up
> > to 7 decimals (11,1234567) and the price of the currency is often
> > available with 6 decimals, for example, yesterday's XLM/EUR price was
> > 0.052929 
> > (https://www.investing.com/crypto/stellar/xlm-eur-historical-data?cid=1129224)
> >
> > I configured an stock account in gnucash to track XLM coins: I set the
> > numbers I received with 7 decimals, I enter the price (this is round
> > to 4 decimals) and finally I get the value rounded to only 2 decimals
> > (this is the main problem).
> >
> > The problem I have is that I need to enter very low fees of 0,2
> > XML @ 0,052929  = 0,01059 € (from Asset:XML to Expense:XML). So
> > these commissions are rounded to 0 € of value by gnucash and my
> > balance fails because I reduce the number of XML coins for 0 euros.
> >
> > What could I do to face it? Thanks!
>
> You need to change the commodity in your Expense:XML account to XML. 
> Fractions of Euros (and any other real-world currency) smaller than 1/100 
> simply don't exist.
>
> Regards,
> John Ralls
>


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Re: [GNC] Convert credit cards as expenses to credit cards as liabilities?

[ornd25]

If you?re going to keep using the simplified method, there?s no point to 
changing the account type.

>
> #1 you?d lose expense tracking entirely for anything spent via the card.
> #2 credit card liability would forever be ?negative? (meaning they owe you)
>
> ...
> With the switch you are considering, you?d just be doing the second of the 
> above two transactions instead of:
>
> Dr. Expenses:Credit Card
> Cr. Checking
>
> Which would remove expenses entirely and make your liabilities look like 
> assets since they are negative. (because you keep paying more down, without 
> the charge part of the transaction) So both your Income Statement and Balance 
> Sheet would be wrong.
>
> ... 
>
> You might also be able to download some of that actual history from your card 
> company if you think you want it. (I doubt all 10 years though)
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
I think I follow some of your reasoning, but I believe I allowed a 
misconception.

I'm trying to set up something similar to that proposed by the "GnuCash 
Tutorial and Concepts Guide" (page 100):


"If you do not want to track each expense made on the credit card, you can set 
up a simple account hierarchylike this:


-Assets-Bank


-Liabilities-Credit Card


-Expenses-Credit Card"

(Sorry about the indent errors.)

I don't wish to remove the Exp: Credit Card in favor of Liab:Credit Card - I 
want both of them. If I understand your reasoning, this would prevent the #2 
error above, "Credit card liability would always be negative." The #1 error 
would still be true, but it's no worse than I've been doing it for 20 years. 

The new simplified structure would allow me to grow into detailed credit card 
tracking. I had never considered downloading detailed transactions - that might 
work for me. (Typically, we'll have 30 - 40 transactions a month, and I do 
recall stopping tracking all of them because I grew tired of typing, and of 
reversing for refunds. With downloads, such things appear easier now.)

Detailed transaction tracking might well be useful for me in a few months, 
after I've grown accustomed to GnuCash. If I may ask, however, I can't 
determine whether there is a method by which I can automatically populate a 
Liabilities:Credit Card account if I leave the Expenses:Credit Card account in 
place. Wold you mind addressing that, please?

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Re: [GNC] Getting slow response and logged faults in 2.6.21 to 3.7-1 conversion

[John Ralls]

Please remember to copy the list on all replies. Reply-all--the 
double-left-arrow icon--works well for this.

I'm glad that you got GnuCash working to your satisfaction.

Regards,
John Ralls

> On Sep 13, 2019, at 2:46 PM, Alton Brantley  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the input, John
> 
> I had moved my 2.6.21 to another folder, named Gnucash 2.6.21 and had run it 
> from there. Then I installed 3.7-1 into a new folder named Gnucash, and ran 
> it from there. That’s when it was sluggish and seemed not to be reading the 
> stored options incorrectly.
> 
> I bit the bullet and deleted the Gnucash 2.6.21 folder and the older working 
> version and its subsidiary files stored in the “.app” bundle, rebooted my 
> machine, and ran the 3.7 version. It ran slow the first time I ran it loading 
> the data file. I then immediately exited the program back to Finder, and then 
> re-ran it. It came up much faster and the beachballs are gone.
> 
> I suspect (but cannot verify or prove) that in some way the execution of the 
> program was being cross-linked with some components of the older version, 
> perhaps even symbolically or by a text parameter, and then having problems 
> running correctly.
> 
> I do know for a fact that a lot of the software status is stored in the 
> “Defaults” space, the preference database. Deleting the older app may well 
> have made those text references fail, and therefore made the Defaults space 
> delete them, so that the second execution used either no info, and so found 
> them in its “.app” tree, and then loaded them into Defaults.
> 
> Thanks again for taking a look at this.
> 
> Alton
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2019, at 2:16 PM, John Ralls  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2019, at 5:42 AM, Alton Brantley  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Mac OS X 10.14.6, I’ve moved from Gnucash 2.6.21 to 3.7. All the data 
>>> look fine, BUT
>>> 
>>> I get lots of beachballs as I move from one screen to the next, or even 
>>> scroll within a register. Looking at the logs,
>>> I get lots of Gnucash process messages along the lines of 
>>> "found no value for key NSPersistentUIShowQuietSafeQuitStatus in 
>>> CFPrefsSearchListSource<0x630bed80> 
>>> (Domain: org.gnucash.Gnucash, Container: (null))”
>>> 
>>> So it seems that the program is not finding something it expects and is 
>>> spending a lot of time in error or fault management. Any suggestions about
>>> how to give the program what it needs for the keys for which it’s finding 
>>> no values?
>> 
>> That's a new one.
>> Google finds only one useful page about that, 
>> https://github.com/docker/for-mac/issues/1835 and after two years the Docker 
>> folks still haven't figured it out.
>> 
>> Neither string is present in MacOS.10.14.sdk nor turns up anything for me 
>> when I search Console.
>> 
>> Try using the spindump tool in /Applications/Utilities/ActivityMonitor (the 
>> gear icon) when GnuCash is beach-balling to get a snapshot of what's going 
>> on.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
>> 
> 

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Re: [GNC] Badly formed URL unknown-type

[Uttam Chakravorty]

Thank you very much.  I will check this out and revert tomorrow.

On 13/09/2019 20:18, Geert Janssens wrote:

Op vrijdag 13 september 2019 20:50:35 CEST schreef Uttam Chakravorty:

Firstly I apologise if I should be trying something other than posting
here.  If so, any guidance would be appreciated.

I'm running Gnucash on Ubuntu 18.04 desktop to look after a small UK 
VAT

registered company (two people: my wife and our son).

When I run 'Reports' -> 'Payable Ageing' (Trade Creditors). In the 
first
entry the Company is blank, the days are zero and there is -£2.54 in 
the

total column.

Clicking on -£2.54 calls up a box displaying 'Badly formed URL
unknown-type=&acct=48dfa64b05d642c5f5c4cc051
3dba700'


I have run 'Actions' -> 'Check & Repair' globally and on each 
individual

account to no avail.  I'm stumbling around in the dark.


Hi,

Which version of GnuCash are you using ? I seem to remember fixing this 
in one

of the more recent releases.

Regards,

Geert

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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 2.6.12 aborts (core dump) on Ubuntu 16 "hash table assertion failed"

[John Ralls]

> On Sep 13, 2019, at 11:53 AM, GWB  wrote:
> 
> Hello, GnuCash Users,
> 
> Gnucash will begin to start, then abort (crash) when launched, using
> normal startup or gnucash --nofile --debug.  Output from terminal is:
> 
> $ gnucash --nofile --debug
> Found Finance::Quote version 1.38
> **
> GLib:ERROR:/build/glib2.0-pjKWYQ/glib2.0-2.48.2/./glib/ghash.c:373:g_hash_table_lookup_node:
> assertion failed: (hash_table->ref_count > 0)
> Aborted (core dumped)
> 
> So this is some kind of hash table assertion failure?  I have the
> gnucash.trace and apport bug reports as well, but before I send them I
> thought I would ask if someone else has seen this.  I can rollback to
> an earlier version of the file, but I would like to get this
> particular version working now.
> 
> I might also copy the file to a Windows machine, and install GnuCash
> there.  Or, possible, copy and upgrade to GnuCash 3, and then try to
> figure out how to move my reports.
> 
> Any help is greatly appreciated!
> 

It's basically a use-after-free situation.

We're not maintaining the 2.6 branch anymore, so your best bet is to upgrade to 
GnuCash 3.7, the latest release. It's certainly buildable on Ubuntu 16.04, our 
3.x CI uses Ubuntu 14.04, but the user-prepared .deb will probably not find the 
right dependencies.

Regards,
John Ralls


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Re: [GNC] cryptocurrency with many decimals

[John Ralls]

Yes, you'll have to move XLM to the CURRENCY namespace. GnuCash *should* allow 
that since the symbol starts with X.

Regards,
John Ralls


> On Sep 13, 2019, at 1:57 PM, Christian Pinedo Zamalloa  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes, perhaps using XLM as the security/currency of Expenses:XLM is the
> best approach. I tried it. However I can't set XLM as currency of the
> Expenses:XLM account. I defined the XLM under "CCC" (cryptocurrency)
> namespace and it seems that in a Expense account I can only select a
> national currency under "Currencies" namespace.
> 
> Do yo know, what I should have to do? to define XLM under "Currencies"
> namespace, or a configuration change.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> El vie., 13 sept. 2019 a las 20:02, John Ralls () 
> escribió:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 13, 2019, at 10:40 AM, Christian Pinedo Zamalloa 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I am taking part in the airdrop of Stellar Lumens (XLM) in the keybase
>>> application so I received some free XLM cryptocoins that I would like
>>> to account with gnucash.
>>> 
>>> The problem I have is the number of decimals. Cryptocurrency uses up
>>> to 7 decimals (11,1234567) and the price of the currency is often
>>> available with 6 decimals, for example, yesterday's XLM/EUR price was
>>> 0.052929 
>>> (https://www.investing.com/crypto/stellar/xlm-eur-historical-data?cid=1129224)
>>> 
>>> I configured an stock account in gnucash to track XLM coins: I set the
>>> numbers I received with 7 decimals, I enter the price (this is round
>>> to 4 decimals) and finally I get the value rounded to only 2 decimals
>>> (this is the main problem).
>>> 
>>> The problem I have is that I need to enter very low fees of 0,2
>>> XML @ 0,052929  = 0,01059 € (from Asset:XML to Expense:XML). So
>>> these commissions are rounded to 0 € of value by gnucash and my
>>> balance fails because I reduce the number of XML coins for 0 euros.
>>> 
>>> What could I do to face it? Thanks!
>> 
>> You need to change the commodity in your Expense:XML account to XML. 
>> Fractions of Euros (and any other real-world currency) smaller than 1/100 
>> simply don't exist.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> PGP keyID: 0xdb577d4ee6ffbd55
> PGP Fgprt: A895 7C11 84F6 30B4 4938  32A4 9306 DFD0 CDE4 B542

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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 2.6.12 aborts (core dump) on Ubuntu 16 "hash table assertion failed"

[GWB]

OK, will do.  This is interesting.  I moved the file to a Windows 7
machine, and opened it with GnuCash 2.6.21.  It did read the sqlite3
file, but it took a long time, probably 20 minutes or so.  After it
opened, I saved it as an xml file.  GnuCash does open the .xml file
more quickly, so perhaps I should stick with that format.  My
assumption is that Windows GnuCash reads and writes to sql formats
without installing those dependencies directly.

So how do I start GnuCash in Windows using the --nofile --debug
options?  It appears to always try to open the last opened file.

I also notice the xml file is much, much smaller than the sqlite3
file.  The xml is 4.6 Megs, and the sqlite3 file is 65 megs.  This is
a file with many years, going back to 2009, but the data all appears
to be there.  That's not a bad feature, if it still has all the data.
And if xml it allows transaction "replays" or rollbacks, then great.
I'll stick with it.  I'm a fan of data in db formats, but not when the
older xml format functions without errors.

GnuCash 3 it is.  I'll install the latest on Ubuntu and Windows and
see how it does with this xml file.

Is there a file parser or checker that can correct errors in an
account file?  I should give that a whirl and see what it finds.

Thanks again, you guys rock,

Gordon

On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 9:59 PM John Ralls  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 13, 2019, at 11:53 AM, GWB  wrote:
> >
> > Hello, GnuCash Users,
> >
> > Gnucash will begin to start, then abort (crash) when launched, using
> > normal startup or gnucash --nofile --debug.  Output from terminal is:
> >
> > $ gnucash --nofile --debug
> > Found Finance::Quote version 1.38
> > **
> > GLib:ERROR:/build/glib2.0-pjKWYQ/glib2.0-2.48.2/./glib/ghash.c:373:g_hash_table_lookup_node:
> > assertion failed: (hash_table->ref_count > 0)
> > Aborted (core dumped)
> >
> > So this is some kind of hash table assertion failure?  I have the
> > gnucash.trace and apport bug reports as well, but before I send them I
> > thought I would ask if someone else has seen this.  I can rollback to
> > an earlier version of the file, but I would like to get this
> > particular version working now.
> >
> > I might also copy the file to a Windows machine, and install GnuCash
> > there.  Or, possible, copy and upgrade to GnuCash 3, and then try to
> > figure out how to move my reports.
> >
> > Any help is greatly appreciated!
> >
>
> It's basically a use-after-free situation.
>
> We're not maintaining the 2.6 branch anymore, so your best bet is to upgrade 
> to GnuCash 3.7, the latest release. It's certainly buildable on Ubuntu 16.04, 
> our 3.x CI uses Ubuntu 14.04, but the user-prepared .deb will probably not 
> find the right dependencies.
>
> Regards,
> John Ralls
>
>
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[GNC] Invoice report error

[michielu]

I just compiled and installed the 3.7 Gnucash version as offered on the
front-page.

When I try to run an invoice report on my existing gnucash file, I get:
In ice-9/boot-9.scm:
 157: 17 [catch #t # ...]
In unknown file:
   ?: 16 [apply-smob/1 #]
In {INSTALL}/gnucash-3.7/libgnucash/app-utils/c-interface.scm:
  22: 15 [gnc:call-with-error-handling "(gnc:report-run 0)" ()]
In ice-9/boot-9.scm:
 157: 14 [catch #t ...]
In {INSTALL}/gnucash-3.7/libgnucash/app-utils/c-interface.scm:
  27: 13 [#]
In unknown file:
   ?: 12 [eval-string "(gnc:report-run 0)" #]
In ice-9/boot-9.scm:
2401: 11 [save-module-excursion #]
In ice-9/eval-string.scm:
  44: 10 [read-and-eval # #:lang ...]
  37: 9 [lp (gnc:report-run 0)]
In {INSTALL}/gnucash-3.7/gnucash/report/report-system/report.scm:
 776: 8 [gnc:report-run 0]
In {INSTALL}/gnucash-3.7/libgnucash/app-utils/c-interface.scm:
  64: 7 [gnc:backtrace-if-exception #]
  22: 6 [gnc:call-with-error-handling # ...]
In ice-9/boot-9.scm:
 157: 5 [catch #t ...]
In {INSTALL}/gnucash-3.7/libgnucash/app-utils/c-interface.scm:
  26: 4 [#]
In /home/michiel/dev/gnucash-3.7/gnucash/report/report-system/report.scm:
 780: 3 [#]
 754: 2 [gnc:report-render-html # #t]
In {INSTALL}/gnucash-3.7/gnucash/report/business-reports/owner-report.scm:
 740: 1 [reg-renderer #]
In unknown file:
   ?: 0 [gnc-account-get-book #f]

ERROR: In procedure gnc-account-get-book: Wrong type argument in position 1:
#f




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Re: [GNC] Dimensions in Accounts

[Hans Henrik]

We are a small company using gnucash for our accounting.

We have a similar requirement that we would like to attach reference to
documentation to the transactions (expenses). The possible to indicate annex
number or similar would be fine, so it is easy to find related documentation
the expenses.



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Re: [GNC] Invoice report error

[Christopher Lam]

This is not an invoice-report. This is either customer, vendor or job
report.
There must be something unusual in the AP/AR account selection in the
General tab in options.
Or there may be something from a previous installation which must be
cleared properly.

On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 at 05:32, michielu  wrote:

> I just compiled and installed the 3.7 Gnucash version as offered on the
> front-page.
>
> When I try to run an invoice report on my existing gnucash file, I get:
> In ice-9/boot-9.scm:
>  157: 17 [catch #t # ...]
> In unknown file:
>?: 16 [apply-smob/1 #]
> In {INSTALL}/gnucash-3.7/libgnucash/app-utils/c-interface.scm:
>   22: 15 [gnc:call-with-error-handling "(gnc:report-run 0)" ()]
> In ice-9/boot-9.scm:
>  157: 14 [catch #t ...]
> In {INSTALL}/gnucash-3.7/libgnucash/app-utils/c-interface.scm:
>   27: 13 [# {INSTALL}/gnucash-3.7/libgnucash/app-utils/c-interface.scm:23:6 ()>]
> In unknown file:
>?: 12 [eval-string "(gnc:report-run 0)" #]
> In ice-9/boot-9.scm:
> 2401: 11 [save-module-excursion # ice-9/eval-string.scm:65:9 ()>]
> In ice-9/eval-string.scm:
>   44: 10 [read-and-eval # #:lang ...]
>   37: 9 [lp (gnc:report-run 0)]
> In {INSTALL}/gnucash-3.7/gnucash/report/report-system/report.scm:
>  776: 8 [gnc:report-run 0]
> In {INSTALL}/gnucash-3.7/libgnucash/app-utils/c-interface.scm:
>   64: 7 [gnc:backtrace-if-exception # {INSTALL}/gnucash-3.7/gnucash/report/report-system/report.scm:777:5 ()>]
>   22: 6 [gnc:call-with-error-handling # {INSTALL}/gnucash-3.7/gnucash/report/report-system/report.scm:777:5 ()>
> ...]
> In ice-9/boot-9.scm:
>  157: 5 [catch #t ...]
> In {INSTALL}/gnucash-3.7/libgnucash/app-utils/c-interface.scm:
>   26: 4 [# {INSTALL}/gnucash-3.7/libgnucash/app-utils/c-interface.scm:23:6 ()>]
> In /home/michiel/dev/gnucash-3.7/gnucash/report/report-system/report.scm:
>  780: 3 [# {INSTALL}/gnucash-3.7/gnucash/report/report-system/report.scm:777:5 ()>]
>  754: 2 [gnc:report-render-html # #t]
> In {INSTALL}/gnucash-3.7/gnucash/report/business-reports/owner-report.scm:
>  740: 1 [reg-renderer #]
> In unknown file:
>?: 0 [gnc-account-get-book #f]
>
> ERROR: In procedure gnc-account-get-book: Wrong type argument in position
> 1:
> #f
>
>
>
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