RE: [gmx-users] g_polystat

2010-09-06 Thread Berk Hess



> Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 17:50:46 -0400
> From: jalem...@vt.edu
> To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
> Subject: Re: [gmx-users] g_polystat
> 
> 
> 
> Moeed wrote:
> > Hello Justin,
> > 
> > I have read help of the command I am using several times. My 
> > understanding is that g_polystat calculates Rg of 8 chains and takes the 
> > average if no specific index groups are selected. Below are the groups I 
> > have created for 8 chains.
> > g_polystat -f *.trr -s *.tpr -o polystat-mw-xvgr-8group -n *.ndx -mw 
> > -xvgr -w -p persist.xvg
> > then chose 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 as se;ected groups. The point is Rg for this 
> > 8 molecules is similar to that When I select group 0 only. If Rg is the 
> > average of all chians over time  why is it giving Rg of first chain?
> > 
> 
> g_polystat does not accept multiple input groups, so if you're entering "0 1 
> 2 
> 3..." at the index prompt, then only group 0 is selected.  The tool will 
> print 
> which group it is analyzing.  I think this is generally true for all Gromacs 
> tools.  Try analyzing a group that contains all your polymers.
> 
> > Also as for persistence lenght -h option says:
> > The chosen index group
> > should consist of atoms that are consecutively bonded in the polymer
> > mainchains. My groups start from atom 1 to 8*362 consecutively... Do you 
> > any clue why I am mot getting output file?
> > 
> 
> Not really.  But if you're including all atoms in the analysis, then you're 
> not 
> analyzing main chain atoms, as the tool expects.  Try creating an index group 
> of 
> only one molecule, and only its main chain (presumably non-H) atoms.  From 
> the 
> description, it also sounds like the group selected should contain "atoms 
> that 
> are consecutively bonded."  Whether or not that excludes the possibility of 
> analyzing multiple molecules at once, I don't know, but atoms that are not 
> consecutively bonded should not be included in the analysis.

For the radius of gyration you can choose any group you like.
For the persistence length the programs compares directions of vectors between
consecutive atoms in the index group, so you usually want only atoms in the 
main chain
for that (no hydrogens etc).

As the manual says, the selected group is split into molecules, it will always 
analyze
every molecule separately and average the results.

Berk 

> 
> -Justin
> 
> > 
> > Group 0 (  PE60-1) has   362 elements
> > Group 1 (  PE60-2) has   362 elements
> > Group 2 (  PE60-3) has   362 elements
> > Group 3 (  PE60-4) has   362 elements
> > Group 4 (  PE60-5) has   362 elements
> > Group 5 (  PE60-6) has   362 elements
> > Group 6 (  PE60-7) has   362 elements
> > Group 7 (  PE60-8) has   362 elements
> > 
> > Thank you
> > 
> 
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Re: [gmx-users] Protein stability using MARTINI

2010-09-06 Thread Mark Abraham


- Original Message -
From: Itamar Kass 
Date: Monday, September 6, 2010 14:06
Subject: [gmx-users] Protein stability using MARTINI
To: Discussion list for GROMACS users 

>  HI all,
> 
> I am simulating a protein in water using the MARTINI (CG) force 
> field. My protein composed of few alpha-helices and a big tail 
> (~50AA) which is random coiled. I have built the simulation 
> system according to the procedure at 
> http://md.chem.rug.nl/cgmartini/index.php/tutorial/ubiquitin-in-
> water .
> 
> After a 10ns simulation, I have visualised the system using VMD. 
> It seems like the protein had dismantled to amino acids. I see 
> groups of bids moving freely in the system.

I'm not sure what you mean here, but it seems likely that VMD's heuristics for 
guessing where bonds between atoms might exist aren't going to work well for a 
coarse-grained protein. There's probably a standard solution, for which you 
should Google :-)

Mark

> 
> Any idea of the problem? Any idea how to fix it?
> 
> PS I don't want to use elastic network for the random coil tail, 
> as I wish to capture as much conformation as possible.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Itamar.
> 
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[gmx-users] the broken of the molecules

2010-09-06 Thread kecy_wu
 Hello, I do the energy minimization of the butylene box , but some 
butylene molecules are broken after that. The butylene itp file is 
produced by PRODRG, as follows:
 
[ moleculetype ]
; Name nrexcl
BUT  3
[ atoms ]
;   nr  type  resnr resid  
atom  cgnr   charge mass
 1   
CH3 1  BUT  
C9 1    0.0049   
15.0350   
 2   
CH2 1  BUT  
C6 1   -0.02442  14.0270   
 3 
C 1  BUT  
C3 1    0.07957  
13.0190   
 4 
C 1  BUT  
C2 1   -0.06005  14.0270   
[ bonds ]
; ai  aj  fu    c0, c1, ...
   2   1   2    0.155   
715.0    0.155   715.0 ;    
C6   C9   
   2   3   2    0.153   
715.0    0.153   715.0 ;    
C6   C3   
   3   4   2    0.135   
715.0    0.135   715.0 ;    
C3   C2   
[ pairs ]
; ai  aj  fu    c0, c1, ...
   1   4   
1  
 ;    C9   C2   
[ angles ]
; ai  aj  ak  fu    c0, c1, ...
   1   2   3   2    
112.5   520.0    
112.5   520.0 ;    
C9   C6   C3   
   2   3   4   2    
125.0   610.0    
125.0   610.0 ;    
C6   C3   C2   
[ dihedrals ]
; ai  aj  ak  al  fu    c0, c1, m, ...
   1   2   3   4   
1  0.0    1.0 
6  0.0    1.0 6 ; 
dih    C9   C6   C3   C2 
 
Can  you show me why the butylene molecules would  be broken?
Thank you very much !
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Re: [gmx-users] the broken of the molecules

2010-09-06 Thread Itamar Kass

 Hi,

If I guess you correctly, you probably mean that when you look on your 
results (using VMD) it seems like it broken. If this is the case, you 
are OK, it might seems so but it is not, if you indeed used PBC.


Best,
Itamar

On 6/09/2010 6:25 PM, kecy...@sina.com wrote:


Hello, I do the energy minimization of the butylene box , but some 
butylene molecules are broken after that. The butylene itp file is 
produced by PRODRG, as follows:


/[ moleculetype ]
; Name nrexcl
BUT 3/

/[ atoms ]
; nr type resnr resid atom cgnr charge mass
1 CH3 1 BUT C9 1 0.0049 15.0350
2 CH2 1 BUT C6 1 -0.02442 14.0270
3 C 1 BUT C3 1 0.07957 13.0190
4 C 1 BUT C2 1 -0.06005 14.0270 /

/[ bonds ]
; ai aj fu c0, c1, ...
2 1 2 0.155 715.0 0.155 715.0 ; C6 C9
2 3 2 0.153 715.0 0.153 715.0 ; C6 C3
3 4 2 0.135 715.0 0.135 715.0 ; C3 C2 /

/[ pairs ]
; ai aj fu c0, c1, ...
1 4 1 ; C9 C2 /

/[ angles ]
; ai aj ak fu c0, c1, ...
1 2 3 2 112.5 520.0 112.5 520.0 ; C9 C6 C3
2 3 4 2 125.0 610.0 125.0 610.0 ; C6 C3 C2 /

/[ dihedrals ]
; ai aj ak al fu c0, c1, m, ...
1 2 3 4 1 0.0 1.0 6 0.0 1.0 6 ; dih C9 C6 C3 C2 /

//

Can you show me why the butylene molecules would be broken?

Thank you very much !

//



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| Postdoctoral Research Fellow
|
| Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
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[gmx-users] grompp_d and mdrun_d issues with GBSA and normal mode analysis

2010-09-06 Thread Ehud Schreiber
Dear GROMACS users,

 

I am encountering a couple of issues when trying to perform normal mode
analysis in an implicit solvent (GBSA) setting.

I am using version 4.5.1 with double precision; unfortunately I do not
have the single precision version installed for comparison.

 

The starting point is a small protein which was energy minimized in two
stages, also in double precision and with GBSA, producing "em2" files.
The mdp file used for the normal mode analysis is the following:

 

- nm.mdp -

integrator   = nm

nsteps   = 1

implicit_solvent = GBSA

gb_algorithm = Still ; the default

rgbradii = 1.0 ; must be equal to rlist 

rlist= 1.0

coulombtype  = cut-off 

rcoulomb = 1.0

vdwtype  = cut-off

rvdw = 1.0

---  

 

The command used is 

 

grompp_d -f nm.mdp -p topol.top -c em2.gro -t em2.trr -o nm.tpr

 

which ran fine except for the following note:

 

NOTE 1 [file nm.mdp]:

  You are using a plain Coulomb cut-off, which might produce artifacts.

  You might want to consider using PME electrostatics.

 

Then, I tried to run

 

mdrun_d -v -nice 0 -deffnm nm

 

However, the command seems to be stuck, and the following serious
warning is produced:

 

Warning: 1-4 interaction between 64 and 71 at distance 3.114 which is
larger than the 1-4 table size 2.000 nm

These are ignored for the rest of the simulation

This usually means your system is exploding,

if not, you should increase table-extension in your mdp file

or with user tables increase the table size

Maximum force: 3.48709e+06

Maximum force probably not small enough to ensure that you are in an 

energy well. Be aware that negative eigenvalues may occur when the

resulting matrix is diagonalized.

 

The em2.gro is definitely not having such a large distance between atoms
64 and 71:

 

6GLN CB   64   1.879   1.895   2.423

.

.

6GLNOE1   71   2.047   1.715   2.642

 

which are only about 0.346 nm apart. Also, the energy minimization,
which used the same options, mutatis mutandis,

 

-- em2.mdp --

integrator   = cg

nsteps   = 1000

nstcgsteep   = 40 

implicit_solvent = GBSA

gb_algorithm = Still ; the default

rgbradii = 1.0 ; must be equal to rlist 

nstlist  = 10

rlist= 1.0

coulombtype  = cut-off

rcoulomb = 1.0

vdwtype  = cut-off

rvdw = 1.0

nstenergy= 10

-

 

converged to machine precision having a much smaller maximum force:

 

Stepsize too small, or no change in energy.

Converged to machine precision,

but not to the requested precision Fmax < 10

 

Polak-Ribiere Conjugate Gradients converged to machine precision in 0
steps,

but did not reach the requested Fmax < 10.

Potential Energy  = -2.71868395521758e+04

Maximum force =  4.63436548427712e+02 on atom 584

Norm of force =  1.25296847735530e+02

 

The other problem arises when I try to follow the grompp_d note above
and change in nm.mdp to

 

coulombtype  = pme

 

I then have a fatal error:

 

ERROR 1 [file nm.mdp]:

  With GBSA, coulombtype must be equal to Cut-off

 

Am I doing something wrong or are there still some problems in the new
GBSA option of version 4.5.1?

 

Thanks,

Ehud Schreiber.

  

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Re: [gmx-users] Protein stability using MARTINI

2010-09-06 Thread Itamar Kass


Thanks Mark for the replay,

I used VDW presentation to over come it.

Best,
Itamar


On 6/09/2010 6:33 PM, Mark Abraham wrote:



- Original Message -
From: Itamar Kass 
Date: Monday, September 6, 2010 14:06
Subject: [gmx-users] Protein stability using MARTINI
To: Discussion list for GROMACS users 

>  HI all,
>
> I am simulating a protein in water using the MARTINI (CG) force
> field. My protein composed of few alpha-helices and a big tail
> (~50AA) which is random coiled. I have built the simulation
> system according to the procedure at
> http://md.chem.rug.nl/cgmartini/index.php/tutorial/ubiquitin-in-
> water .
>
> After a 10ns simulation, I have visualised the system using VMD.
> It seems like the protein had dismantled to amino acids. I see
> groups of bids moving freely in the system.

I'm not sure what you mean here, but it seems likely that VMD's 
heuristics for guessing where bonds between atoms might exist aren't 
going to work well for a coarse-grained protein. There's probably a 
standard solution, for which you should Google :-)


Mark

>
> Any idea of the problem? Any idea how to fix it?
>
> PS I don't want to use elastic network for the random coil tail,
> as I wish to capture as much conformation as possible.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Itamar.
>
> --
>
>
> "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
> But, in practice, there is." - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut
>
> ===
> | Itamar Kass, Ph.D.
> | Postdoctoral Research Fellow
> |
> | Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
> | Building 77 Clayton Campus
> | Wellington Road
> | Monash University,
> | Victoria 3800
> | Australia
> |
> | Tel: +61 3 9902 9376
> | Fax: +61 3 9902 9500
> | E-mail: itamar.k...@monash.edu
> 
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===
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| Postdoctoral Research Fellow
|
| Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
| Building 77 Clayton Campus
| Wellington Road
| Monash University,
| Victoria 3800
| Australia
|
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| Fax: +61 3 9902 9500
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Re: [gmx-users] Protein stability using MARTINI

2010-09-06 Thread XAvier Periole


Dear Itamar,

If your problem is not a bond length definition in VMD (which
you can overcome by using "dynamic bonds", although it is not
perfect) you may have a problem in your topology.

The way you describe your problem (groups of bids moving freely)
suggests that you do have a topology problem.

XAvier.

On Sep 6, 2010, at 11:52 AM, Itamar Kass wrote:


Thanks Mark for the replay,

I used VDW presentation to over come it.

Best,
Itamar


On 6/09/2010 6:33 PM, Mark Abraham wrote:




- Original Message -
From: Itamar Kass 
Date: Monday, September 6, 2010 14:06
Subject: [gmx-users] Protein stability using MARTINI
To: Discussion list for GROMACS users 

>  HI all,
>
> I am simulating a protein in water using the MARTINI (CG) force
> field. My protein composed of few alpha-helices and a big tail
> (~50AA) which is random coiled. I have built the simulation
> system according to the procedure at
> http://md.chem.rug.nl/cgmartini/index.php/tutorial/ubiquitin-in-
> water .
>
> After a 10ns simulation, I have visualised the system using VMD.
> It seems like the protein had dismantled to amino acids. I see
> groups of bids moving freely in the system.

I'm not sure what you mean here, but it seems likely that VMD's  
heuristics for guessing where bonds between atoms might exist  
aren't going to work well for a coarse-grained protein. There's  
probably a standard solution, for which you should Google :-)


Mark

>
> Any idea of the problem? Any idea how to fix it?
>
> PS I don't want to use elastic network for the random coil tail,
> as I wish to capture as much conformation as possible.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Itamar.
>
> --
>
>
> "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
> But, in practice, there is." - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut
>
> ===
> | Itamar Kass, Ph.D.
> | Postdoctoral Research Fellow
> |
> | Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
> | Building 77 Clayton Campus
> | Wellington Road
> | Monash University,
> | Victoria 3800
> | Australia
> |
> | Tel: +61 3 9902 9376
> | Fax: +61 3 9902 9500
> | E-mail: itamar.k...@monash.edu
> 
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| Postdoctoral Research Fellow
|
| Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
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| Wellington Road
| Monash University,
| Victoria 3800
| Australia
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| Fax: +61 3 9902 9500
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Re: [gmx-users] the broken of the molecules

2010-09-06 Thread Mark Abraham
Hi,

If you are using PBC, mdrun will sometimes write sets of coordinates such that 
molecules appear "broken" across periodic boundaries. See 
http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Terminology/Periodic_Boundary_Conditions 
for solution approaches.

Linear species can sometimes have other problems, which have been discussed on 
the mailing list before.

Mark

- Original Message -
From: kecy...@sina.com
Date: Monday, September 6, 2010 18:43
Subject: [gmx-users] the broken of the molecules
To: gmx-users 


>  Hello, I do the energy minimization of the butylene box , but some butylene 
> molecules are broken after that. The butylene itp file is produced by PRODRG, 
> as follows:
 
>  
 
> [ moleculetype ]
> ; Name nrexcl
> BUT  3
 
> [ atoms ]
> ;   nr  type  resnr resid  atom  cgnr   charge mass
>  1   CH3 1  BUT  C9 10.0049   15.0350   
>  2   CH2 1  BUT  C6 1   -0.02442  14.0270   
>  3 C 1  BUT  C3 10.07957  13.0190   
>  4 C 1  BUT  C2 1   -0.06005  14.0270   
 
> [ bonds ]
> ; ai  aj  fuc0, c1, ...
>2   1   20.155   715.00.155   715.0 ;C6   C9   
>2   3   20.153   715.00.153   715.0 ;C6   C3   
>3   4   20.135   715.00.135   715.0 ;C3   C2   
 
> [ pairs ]
> ; ai  aj  fuc0, c1, ...
>1   4   1   ;C9   C2   
 
> [ angles ]
> ; ai  aj  ak  fuc0, c1, ...
>1   2   3   2112.5   520.0112.5   520.0 ;C9   C6   C3  
>  
>2   3   4   2125.0   610.0125.0   610.0 ;C6   C3   C2  
>  
 
> [ dihedrals ]
> ; ai  aj  ak  al  fuc0, c1, m, ...
>1   2   3   4   1  0.01.0 6  0.01.0 6 ; dihC9   C6   
> C3   C2 
 
>  
 
> Can  you show me why the butylene molecules would  be broken?
 
> Thank you very much !
 
>  
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Re: [gmx-users] Protein stability using MARTINI

2010-09-06 Thread Tsjerk Wassenaar
Hey,

It might also be related to the PBC, with gromacs not writing whole
molecules anymore. Maybe a link to a picture would be good, showing
protein beads spheres, together with the (triclinic) unit cell.

Cheers,

Tsjerk

On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 12:05 PM, XAvier Periole  wrote:
>
> Dear Itamar,
> If your problem is not a bond length definition in VMD (which
> you can overcome by using "dynamic bonds", although it is not
> perfect) you may have a problem in your topology.
> The way you describe your problem (groups of bids moving freely)
> suggests that you do have a topology problem.
> XAvier.
> On Sep 6, 2010, at 11:52 AM, Itamar Kass wrote:
>
> Thanks Mark for the replay,
> I used VDW presentation to over come it.
> Best,
> Itamar
>
> On 6/09/2010 6:33 PM, Mark Abraham wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Itamar Kass 
> Date: Monday, September 6, 2010 14:06
> Subject: [gmx-users] Protein stability using MARTINI
> To: Discussion list for GROMACS users 
>
>>  HI all,
>>
>> I am simulating a protein in water using the MARTINI (CG) force
>> field. My protein composed of few alpha-helices and a big tail
>> (~50AA) which is random coiled. I have built the simulation
>> system according to the procedure at
>> http://md.chem.rug.nl/cgmartini/index.php/tutorial/ubiquitin-in-
>> water .
>>
>> After a 10ns simulation, I have visualised the system using VMD.
>> It seems like the protein had dismantled to amino acids. I see
>> groups of bids moving freely in the system.
>
> I'm not sure what you mean here, but it seems likely that VMD's heuristics
> for guessing where bonds between atoms might exist aren't going to work well
> for a coarse-grained protein. There's probably a standard solution, for
> which you should Google :-)
>
> Mark
>
>>
>> Any idea of the problem? Any idea how to fix it?
>>
>> PS I don't want to use elastic network for the random coil tail,
>> as I wish to capture as much conformation as possible.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Itamar.
>>
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[gmx-users] PMF

2010-09-06 Thread Gavin Melaugh
Hi All

I have generated a potential of mean force curve for two cage molecules.
The profile of the curve is very good apart from the fact that the
repulsive part of the curve doesn't go above zero. My attractive tail
therefore appears higher than the repulsive part. The histograms are
very well behaved. I use a force constant of 1000 for all sampling
windows. At closer distances between the centres of mass (the repulsive
part), the mean value is not centred around the ref distance, I assume
due to repulsion. To circumvent this I have increased the force constant
to 1 for the last sample distance. My PMF curve has now a constant
value of zero even though the histograms are fine.
Why is this so ?

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Re: [gmx-users] grompp_d and mdrun_d issues with GBSA and normal mode analysis

2010-09-06 Thread Per Larsson
Hi!

This should work. I checked the code but did not find anything obvious.
Could you please file a bugzilla and I'll have a look as soon as possible.

Thanks!
/Per

6 sep 2010 kl. 11.38 skrev Ehud Schreiber:

> Dear GROMACS users,
>  
> I am encountering a couple of issues when trying to perform normal mode 
> analysis in an implicit solvent (GBSA) setting.
> I am using version 4.5.1 with double precision; unfortunately I do not have 
> the single precision version installed for comparison.
>  
> The starting point is a small protein which was energy minimized in two 
> stages, also in double precision and with GBSA, producing “em2” files. The 
> mdp file used for the normal mode analysis is the following:
>  
> - nm.mdp -
> integrator   = nm
> nsteps   = 1
> implicit_solvent = GBSA
> gb_algorithm = Still ; the default
> rgbradii = 1.0 ; must be equal to rlist
> rlist= 1.0
> coulombtype  = cut-off
> rcoulomb = 1.0
> vdwtype  = cut-off
> rvdw = 1.0
> ---  
>  
> The command used is
>  
> grompp_d -f nm.mdp -p topol.top -c em2.gro -t em2.trr -o nm.tpr
>  
> which ran fine except for the following note:
>  
> NOTE 1 [file nm.mdp]:
>   You are using a plain Coulomb cut-off, which might produce artifacts.
>   You might want to consider using PME electrostatics.
>  
> Then, I tried to run
>  
> mdrun_d -v -nice 0 -deffnm nm
>  
> However, the command seems to be stuck, and the following serious warning is 
> produced:
>  
> Warning: 1-4 interaction between 64 and 71 at distance 3.114 which is larger 
> than the 1-4 table size 2.000 nm
> These are ignored for the rest of the simulation
> This usually means your system is exploding,
> if not, you should increase table-extension in your mdp file
> or with user tables increase the table size
> Maximum force: 3.48709e+06
> Maximum force probably not small enough to ensure that you are in an
> energy well. Be aware that negative eigenvalues may occur when the
> resulting matrix is diagonalized.
>  
> The em2.gro is definitely not having such a large distance between atoms 64 
> and 71:
>  
> 6GLN CB   64   1.879   1.895   2.423
> .
> .
> 6GLNOE1   71   2.047   1.715   2.642
>  
> which are only about 0.346 nm apart. Also, the energy minimization, which 
> used the same options, mutatis mutandis,
>  
> -- em2.mdp --
> integrator   = cg
> nsteps   = 1000
> nstcgsteep   = 40
> implicit_solvent = GBSA
> gb_algorithm = Still ; the default
> rgbradii = 1.0 ; must be equal to rlist
> nstlist  = 10
> rlist= 1.0
> coulombtype  = cut-off
> rcoulomb = 1.0
> vdwtype  = cut-off
> rvdw = 1.0
> nstenergy= 10
> -
>  
> converged to machine precision having a much smaller maximum force:
>  
> Stepsize too small, or no change in energy.
> Converged to machine precision,
> but not to the requested precision Fmax < 10
>  
> Polak-Ribiere Conjugate Gradients converged to machine precision in 0 steps,
> but did not reach the requested Fmax < 10.
> Potential Energy  = -2.71868395521758e+04
> Maximum force =  4.63436548427712e+02 on atom 584
> Norm of force =  1.25296847735530e+02
>  
> The other problem arises when I try to follow the grompp_d note above and 
> change in nm.mdp to
>  
> coulombtype  = pme
>  
> I then have a fatal error:
>  
> ERROR 1 [file nm.mdp]:
>   With GBSA, coulombtype must be equal to Cut-off
>  
> Am I doing something wrong or are there still some problems in the new GBSA 
> option of version 4.5.1?
>  
> Thanks,
> Ehud Schreiber.
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Re: [gmx-users] g_covar & g_anaeig problems

2010-09-06 Thread Sebastian Breuers

Hey everyone,

searching the list for the answer to a g_covar problem I've found this 
post of Arne who describes the very same problem that I encounter.


I'm observing this problem on a linux cluster with 32GB memory on each 
node. The g_covar_d application was compiled in double precision with an 
intel compiler and works fine up to a number of atoms of around 15408. 
In tests I could find out that above this number +/- 48 atoms I receive 
the following error output:



Calculating the average structure ...
Last frame 50 time 5000.000

Constructing covariance matrix (46368x46368) ...
Reading frame   0 time0.000   Segmentation fault

Meaning a matrix over around 46224x46224 elements starts to generate 
this problem.


Did anyone encounter the same problem or does anyone has a hint to solve 
this issue?


Kind regards

Sebastian



Am 25.03.2010 10:05, schrieb arne.wag...@student.uib.no:

Hi everyone,
I've got the following two problems - hopefully someone can help me
fixing them.
1.:
I have a larger system ~2 atoms where I performed an MD run and
now I want to analyze the entropy. I tried a combination of g_covar
and g_anaeig to get the values.
Input:
g_covar -f XXX_md_eq.xtc -n XXX.ndx -s XXX_md_eq.tpr -v XXX_eivec.trr
-mwa -l XXX_covar.log

If I choose a larger sub-part of the system (approx. > 4000 elements)
I get the following error message after the average structure is
calculated:

Constructing covariance matrix ...
Reading frame   0 time0.000   Segmentation fault

Is this a result of insufficient memory or is there an error in the
whole procedure?

2.:
In smaller sub-parts I can get the eigenvectors and when I put them
into g_anaeig,

g_anaeig -v XXX.trr -entropy

I get values for the quasi-harmonical-approximation but
an 'inf' oder 'nan' for the Schlitter entropy calculation - even with
additional/maximum input. Why?

Thanks a lot!
Awa




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[gmx-users] Problems with CMake and shared libraries

2010-09-06 Thread Justin A. Lemkul


Hi All,

I've discovered a new problem when using CMake.  To recap, the system in
question is a PowerPC cluster running Yellowdog Linux with OpenMPI-1.4.2 and
gcc-4.2.2, linking against FFTW 3.0.1.

I gave the following commands to build mdrun with CMake:

cmake ../gromacs-4.5.1
-DFFTW3F_LIBRARIES=/home/rdiv1001/fftw-3.0.1-linux/lib/libfftw3f.so
-DFFTW3F_INCLUDE_DIR=/home/rdiv1001/fftw-3.0.1-linux/include/
-DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/home/rdiv1001/gromacs-4.5_cmake-linux
-DGMX_BINARY_SUFFIX=_4.5_cmake_mpi –DGMX_THREADS=OFF –DGMX_X11=OFF -DGMX_MPI=ON
-DMPI_COMPILER=/home/rdiv1001/compilers/openmpi-1.4.2/bin/mpicxx
-DMPI_INCLUDE_PATH=/home/rdiv1001/compilers/openmpi-1.4.2/include

make mdrun

make install-mdrun

When attempting to invoke the resulting "mdrun_4.5.1_cmake_mpi" executable, I
get the following error:

/home/rdiv1001/gromacs-4.5.1_cmake-linux/bin/mdrun_4.5.1_cmake_mpi: error while
loading shared libraries: libgmxpreprocess_mpi.so.6: cannot open shared object
file: No such file or directory

Adding -DBUILD_SHARED_LIBS=OFF solves the problem.  Since (by default) Gromacs
builds shared libraries, I thought this little problem should be reported, even
though I can work around it.  The cmake and subsequent make steps reported no
problems whatsoever beyond a couple of minor compiler warnings, so I assumed
that everything had gone well.

-Justin

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[gmx-users] ffamber03 H0 atomtype in 4.5.1

2010-09-06 Thread William Joseph Allen

Hello Gromacs users,

I have recently set up some simulations of a peptide using the amber03 
force field in 4.5.1 and implicit solvent. When I run it through grompp, 
it gives me the following:


---
Program grompp-4.5.1, VERSION 4.5.1
Source code file: grompp.c, line: 870

Fatal error:
Can't do GB electrostatics; the forcefield is missing 1 values for
atomtype radii, or they might be negative
.
For more information and tips for troubleshooting, please check the GROMACS
website at http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Errors
---

The missing value it is referring to was also mentioned in the grompp 
output:


***
GB parameter(s) missing or negative for atom type 'H0'
***

The 'H0' (read h-zero) atomtype only appears in glycine residues. It is 
equivalent in all ways to the 'H1' (read h-one) atomtype. But for some 
reason, in the gbsa.itp file, the 'H0' atomtype is commented out. When 
it is un-commented, grompp proceeds as normal. My question is why is 
this specific atomtype commented out in the amber03 gbsa.itp file?


Thanks in advance,

Joe
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Re: [gmx-users] ffamber03 H0 atomtype in 4.5.1

2010-09-06 Thread Per Larsson
Hi!

This seems to be an unfortunate mistake. It should not be commented out.
Thank you for reporting this, I will fix it for the next release.

Cheers
/Per

6 sep 2010 kl. 17.08 skrev William Joseph Allen:

> Hello Gromacs users,
> 
> I have recently set up some simulations of a peptide using the amber03 force 
> field in 4.5.1 and implicit solvent. When I run it through grompp, it gives 
> me the following:
> 
> ---
> Program grompp-4.5.1, VERSION 4.5.1
> Source code file: grompp.c, line: 870
> 
> Fatal error:
> Can't do GB electrostatics; the forcefield is missing 1 values for
> atomtype radii, or they might be negative
> .
> For more information and tips for troubleshooting, please check the GROMACS
> website at http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Errors
> ---
> 
> The missing value it is referring to was also mentioned in the grompp output:
> 
> ***
> GB parameter(s) missing or negative for atom type 'H0'
> ***
> 
> The 'H0' (read h-zero) atomtype only appears in glycine residues. It is 
> equivalent in all ways to the 'H1' (read h-one) atomtype. But for some 
> reason, in the gbsa.itp file, the 'H0' atomtype is commented out. When it is 
> un-commented, grompp proceeds as normal. My question is why is this specific 
> atomtype commented out in the amber03 gbsa.itp file?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Joe
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Re: [gmx-users] Problems with CMake and shared libraries

2010-09-06 Thread Szilárd Páll
Hi,

Indeed, the custom cmake target "install-mdrun" was designed to only
install the mdrun binary and it does not install the libraries this is
linked against when BUILD_SHARED_LIBS=ON.

I'm not completely sure that this is actually a bug, but to me it
smells like one. I'll file a bug report and will sort this issue out.

Thanks Justin for reporting!

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On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Justin A. Lemkul  wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've discovered a new problem when using CMake.  To recap, the system in
> question is a PowerPC cluster running Yellowdog Linux with OpenMPI-1.4.2 and
> gcc-4.2.2, linking against FFTW 3.0.1.
>
> I gave the following commands to build mdrun with CMake:
>
> cmake ../gromacs-4.5.1
> -DFFTW3F_LIBRARIES=/home/rdiv1001/fftw-3.0.1-linux/lib/libfftw3f.so
> -DFFTW3F_INCLUDE_DIR=/home/rdiv1001/fftw-3.0.1-linux/include/
> -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/home/rdiv1001/gromacs-4.5_cmake-linux
> -DGMX_BINARY_SUFFIX=_4.5_cmake_mpi –DGMX_THREADS=OFF –DGMX_X11=OFF
> -DGMX_MPI=ON
> -DMPI_COMPILER=/home/rdiv1001/compilers/openmpi-1.4.2/bin/mpicxx
> -DMPI_INCLUDE_PATH=/home/rdiv1001/compilers/openmpi-1.4.2/include
>
> make mdrun
>
> make install-mdrun
>
> When attempting to invoke the resulting "mdrun_4.5.1_cmake_mpi" executable,
> I
> get the following error:
>
> /home/rdiv1001/gromacs-4.5.1_cmake-linux/bin/mdrun_4.5.1_cmake_mpi: error
> while
> loading shared libraries: libgmxpreprocess_mpi.so.6: cannot open shared
> object
> file: No such file or directory
>
> Adding -DBUILD_SHARED_LIBS=OFF solves the problem.  Since (by default)
> Gromacs
> builds shared libraries, I thought this little problem should be reported,
> even
> though I can work around it.  The cmake and subsequent make steps reported
> no
> problems whatsoever beyond a couple of minor compiler warnings, so I assumed
> that everything had gone well.
>
> -Justin
>
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[gmx-users] pdb2gmx -chainsep vs -merge

2010-09-06 Thread nahren manuel
Dear Gromacs Users,
Has anybody merged all chains in a PDB file using -chainsep. because -chainsep 
does not
seem to work.

http://www.mail-archive.com/gmx-users@gromacs.org/msg33192.html

Is there a alternate way of doing it ?, 
One way I could think of is to add the atoms numbers in the  topologies.

would appreciate better ideas..

Best,
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Re: [gmx-users] pdb2gmx -chainsep vs -merge

2010-09-06 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



nahren manuel wrote:

Dear Gromacs Users,
Has anybody merged all chains in a PDB file using -chainsep. because 
-chainsep does not

seem to work.

http://www.mail-archive.com/gmx-users@gromacs.org/msg33192.html

Is there a alternate way of doing it ?,
One way I could think of is to add the atoms numbers in the  topologies.

would appreciate better ideas..



If pdb2gmx -merge suits your needs then just generate the topology with an 
earlier version.


-Justin


Best,
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[gmx-users] about rdf

2010-09-06 Thread Moeed
Hello,

1- In the manual I see rdf plot for Oxygen-Oxygen of SPC-water.  I think
this shows the average O-O density between all water molecules. I read a
post saying that rdf is calculating C_C distances for each C on chain 1 for
instance and all other C on the chain and other chains..
http://lists.gromacs.org/pipermail/gmx-users/2006-November/024831.html

Now I am trying to do the same thing to get rdf for C-C or C-H for polymer
chains. I looked into default index groups and I guess  Protein-H, BAckbone
and Mainchain groups for my system should give only carbon atoms (I have
only polyethylene chains), and Non-Protein should give only H. but I do not
know how I can use them since System is the only default group I see.

2- What doesy axis show? the average number density? ( I am calculating rdf
between chains 1 and 2 for instance. y-axis is in the range of 0-300 ?! and
x-axis varies between 0-15 nm?!. normally g(r) is in the range of 1 to 5
..). and also I noticed it takes much time for the program to read all
frames when I issue the command below even for only 2 chains having 60
ethylene units. Am I doing something wrong?

g_rdf -f *.trr -s *.tpr -o rdf -n *.ndx

Group 0 (  System) has  2896 elements
Group 1 (  PE60-1) has   362 elements
Group 2 (  PE60-2) has   362 elements
Group 3 (  PE60-3) has   362 elements
Group 4 (  PE60-4) has   362 elements
Group 5 (  PE60-5) has   362 elements
Group 6 (  PE60-6) has   362 elements
Group 7 (  PE60-7) has   362 elements
Group 8 (  PE60-8) has   362 elements

groups 1 to 8 each contain all C and H atoms in the molecule.

Thanks,
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Re: [gmx-users] about rdf

2010-09-06 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



Moeed wrote:

Hello,

1- In the manual I see rdf plot for Oxygen-Oxygen of SPC-water.  I think 
this shows the average O-O density between all water molecules. I read a 
post saying that rdf is calculating C_C distances for each C on chain 1 
for instance and all other C on the chain and other chains..

http://lists.gromacs.org/pipermail/gmx-users/2006-November/024831.html



I don't see how you drew that conclusion from that post.  g_rdf calculates 
probabilities based on all atomic pairs in the index group selection, unless 
-com is invoked, in which case the center of mass of the reference group is used.


Now I am trying to do the same thing to get rdf for C-C or C-H for 
polymer chains. I looked into default index groups and I guess  
Protein-H, BAckbone and Mainchain groups for my system should give only 
carbon atoms (I have only polyethylene chains), and Non-Protein should 
give only H. but I do not know how I can use them since System is the 
only default group I see.




Do you have protein molecules?  If not, then you won't have default groups like 
Protein, Protein-H...


2- What doesy axis show? the average number density? ( I am calculating 


Please use Google to answer this question.

rdf between chains 1 and 2 for instance. y-axis is in the range of 0-300 
?! and x-axis varies between 0-15 nm?!. normally g(r) is in the range of 
1 to 5 ..). and also I noticed it takes much time for the program to 


Normally?  Based on what assessment?  Unless you have exceptionally good 
sampling, your RDF plot probably won't converge very well for large molecules, 
especially if you are analyzing all possible atomic pairs.


read all frames when I issue the command below even for only 2 chains 
having 60 ethylene units. Am I doing something wrong?
 


No, but g_rdf is doing something on the order of 362*362 calculations, so you 
can count on that taking a lot of time (and memory).


-Justin


g_rdf -f *.trr -s *.tpr -o rdf -n *.ndx

Group 0 (  System) has  2896 elements
Group 1 (  PE60-1) has   362 elements
Group 2 (  PE60-2) has   362 elements
Group 3 (  PE60-3) has   362 elements
Group 4 (  PE60-4) has   362 elements
Group 5 (  PE60-5) has   362 elements
Group 6 (  PE60-6) has   362 elements
Group 7 (  PE60-7) has   362 elements
Group 8 (  PE60-8) has   362 elements

groups 1 to 8 each contain all C and H atoms in the molecule.

Thanks,



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Re: [gmx-users] pdb2gmx -chainsep vs -merge

2010-09-06 Thread Mark Abraham


- Original Message -
From: nahren manuel 
Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010 7:16
Subject: [gmx-users] pdb2gmx -chainsep vs -merge
To: gromacs gromacs 

---
| > Dear Gromacs Users,
> Has anybody merged all chains in a PDB file using -chainsep. because 
> -chainsep does not
> seem to work.
> 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/gmx-users@gromacs.org/msg33192.html
> 
> Is there a alternate way of doing it ?, 
> One way I could think of is to add the atoms numbers in the  topologies.

One work-around for the -chainsep situation you've observed is to remove or 
rename the terminal oxygen atoms (OXT) that pdb2gmx is complaining about when 
it tries to merge the chains. It should be taking care of that itself, but 
handling it yourself might help. pdb2gmx can probably rebuild the carboxyl 
oxygen. Keeping (one of the) OXT atoms and renaming it to "O" (keeping the 
fixed-column format correct) might be needed.

Mark
 |
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Re: [gmx-users] g_covar & g_anaeig problems

2010-09-06 Thread Mark Abraham


- Original Message -
From: Sebastian Breuers 
Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010 0:42
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] g_covar & g_anaeig problems
To: gmx-users@gromacs.org

> Hey everyone,
> 
> searching the list for the answer to a g_covar problem I've 
> found this post of Arne who describes the very same problem that 
> I encounter.
> 
> I'm observing this problem on a linux cluster with 32GB memory 
> on each node. The g_covar_d application was compiled in double 
> precision with an intel compiler and works fine up to a number 
> of atoms of around 15408. In tests I could find out that above 
> this number +/- 48 atoms I receive the following error output:
> 
> 
> Calculating the average structure ...
> Last frame 50 
> time 5000.000
> 
> Constructing covariance matrix (46368x46368) ...
> Reading frame   0 
> time0.000   Segmentation fault
> 
> Meaning a matrix over around 46224x46224 elements starts to 
> generate this problem.
> 
> Did anyone encounter the same problem or does anyone has a hint 
> to solve this issue?

Get more memory or use fewer atoms :-) The memory needs and run time will scale 
at least as high as the square of the number of atoms. Probably you can ignore 
at least your hydrogen atoms...

Mark

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