Re: [Gimp-user] reloading of python-fu scripts
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Stefaan Lippens wrote: > Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:48:15 + > From: Stefaan Lippens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Gimp-user] reloading of python-fu scripts > > Is it possible to reload python-fu scripts without restarting the > Gimp, like "Xtns"/"Script-fu"/"Refresh Scripts" for script-fu? They should reload automatically. I had problems with temp-files.py~ being picked up instead of the real file so you should set your editor to store temp files elsewhere if you are editing them directly. - Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Plugin Registry and dog plugin
I was trying to find out more about the new "Dog" plugin but the Plugin Registry doesn't seem to be working. Anyone know what the problem is or if it is just a problem on my end? http://registry.gimp.org/ (I have since learned that the dog plugin is an Edge Detection plugin, and DOG stands for Difference of Guassians) Sincerely Alan Horkan Free SVG Clip Art http://OpenClipArt.org Inkscape, Draw Freely http://inkscape.org Abiword is Awesome http://abisource.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Plugin Registry and dog plugin
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, Sven Neumann wrote: > Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 19:31:48 +0100 > From: Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Plugin Registry and dog plugin > > Hi, > > Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Free SVG Clip Art http://OpenClipArt.org > > For a long time I've been willing to point people to OpenClipArt.org, > in particular to the gradients that GIMP 2.2 is now able to read. But > even though I've reported this problem a long ago, the gradients are > still completely unusable due to lack of preview. Even worse, lately I was reluctant to add what would be needed for a preview because it would have broken compatibility with some of the software I was using. They went and broke compatibility anyway for other reasons. I am reasonably sure they have a Perl script to add the necessary information to allow a preview but they do not seem to have gotten around to it last time I checked (I do not do perl. I've moved on from OpenClipart.org and didn't plan on making any further changes to the files I had submitted, the other files I submitted are probably still in the queue awaiting processing). > one can't even browse the repository any longer. So I cannot even > verify that the gradients are still broken. Can you please fix this > for us? (Freedestkop.org has been having problems and they host the OpenClipart website.) I cannot fix the openclipart.org website, as I do not have CVS access. I'll try and bring it to the attention of the admins but I'm not very closely involved in the project. I just happened to join up early on and contribute some a few hundred gradients and patterns when the library was only small, and I haven't looked at the project it in months even though I do still think it is a very worthwhile project. I could to see about getting the gradients updated to include the information needed for previews, but I'm not making any promises (I might get it done over christmas). > As soon as this is fixed, someone might look into fixing our > registry for you. Do not fix the registry on my account. The registry is nice to have but I dont need it very often. I had not seen the breakage mentioned and thought you might not already be aware of it or that I might be doing something wrong. I decided to ask about it first rather than filing a bug report, I can still file a bug report if you want - Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Plugin Registry and dog plugin
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, Sven Neumann wrote: > Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:47:26 +0100 > From: Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Plugin Registry and dog plugin > > Hi, > > Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I am reasonably sure they have a Perl script to add the necessary > > information to allow a preview but they do not seem to have gotten > > around to it last time I checked (I do not do perl. I've moved on > > from OpenClipart.org and didn't plan on making any further changes > > to the files I had submitted, the other files I submitted are > > probably still in the queue awaiting processing). > > I offered to write the few lines of XSLT that should be sufficient to > fix the gradients. Perhaps we should host them at gimp.org then? If you resubmitted the updated versions I expect they would be accepted by OpenClipart.org and they would probably be interested to make use of any XSLT or any other useful script or tool you might produce. > The registry isn't really run by the GIMP people and has been > unmaintained for a while. If it is broken now, I am afraid that it > won't be resurrected anytime soon. Filing a bug report won't change > that. As it was on gimp.org I thought the gimp developers had some influence or control over it, thanks for clarifying. - Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Judging the splash contest
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Mukund wrote: > Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 17:18:49 + > From: Mukund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Michael Schumacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Gimp Users <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Judging the splash contest > > On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 18:08 +0100, Michael Schumacher wrote: > > > I'd like to add: > > > > 4) A small group preselects a few (3, 5, 10, ?) images from the > > submissions, and a larger group votes for them like in option 3). > > I'd like to add the following: > > 5) The splash contributors so far get to vote on the rest of the splash > images (which they did not create) and the one with the maximum votes > wins. I'd like to be able to vote on the entries too but still leave it to the gimp developers (ie Sven) to decide from the Top 5 or Top 3. - Alan H. ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Photoshop's "accented edge" effect?
On Mon, 6 Dec 2004, bear wrote:
> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 10:17:14 +0800
> From: bear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Photoshop's "accented edge" effect?
>
>
> The "accent edge" effect is at
> http://learn.tsinghua.edu.cn/homepage/2003216147/edge.jpg
> The original image is at
> http://learn.tsinghua.edu.cn/homepage/2003216147/orig.jpg
I'm not sure how to recreate exactly that effect you describe but there
are similar ones available under
Filters,
Edge-Detect,
Edge
Laplace
Sobel
Hope that helps
> > Sincerely
> >
> > Alan Horkan
> >
> > Free SVG Clip Art http://OpenClipArt.org
> > Dia is for Diagrams http://gnome.org/projects/dia/
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[Gimp-user] Re: [Gimp-developer] Why not allow the name to be configurable?
> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 18:05:46 +0100 > From: Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] Why not allow the name to be configurable? > > Hi, > > Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I have to ask why reject such patches? > > Because IMO the name is important. If we allow the name to be changed > easily, our users will not any longer know what software they are > using. > Contributors will be lost because they will look for the "Foo" > project instead of the GIMP project. (Sven I know you understand what I'm saying but other do not seem to get exactly what I'm asking) To make myself as clear as I possibly can I'm not asking for the project to change its name but to accept patches that allow others to rebrand the gimp if they want. > It would also make it way too easy for anyone who wants to make some > quick money out of The GIMP. This has happened already, people already package and sell the gimp and their failure to provide adequate support has hurt the gimp brand. If it was easier for them to rebrand it would be reasonable to expect them to do so and make it clear that their product is not officially endorsed by the gimp project. (I'm referring to this widely reported incident of a Mac user who paid for the gimp and got no service from the vendors and as a result was excessively critical. http://www.wpdfd.com/editorial/wpd0504review.htm ) > We must not allow people to change the name by means of a simple > configure option and let them benefit from our hard work. First of all thank you for providing a clear explanation. If the issue comes up again users wont be left in any doubt of how things stand and I can direct them to your comments. I will add this to the wiki, as I think it has been asked enough to be considered a Frequently Asked Question. Free Software already allows them to do exactly the kinds of changes you would rather not allow people to make. Despite the fact that it it might happen anyway I can understand that you dont want to make it easy. > > You are in the lead developer in charge and can do anything you want > > and I certainly wouldn't expect you to make the changes but I'd feel > > a lot better if you gave a good reason to reject patches that would > > make it easier to get more people to use Free Software? > > I seriously doubt that the name is effectively keeping GIMP from being > used. I am all happy to ignore the very few people who are so > narrow-minded as to having a problem with the name. I'd rather see more people use Free Software. I'm disappointed that people here do not seem to understand or accept that some people (and it seems only to be a small minority of native English speakers in particular) have issue with the name and that their concersns are being dismissed as as some sort of narrow minded political correctness. I dont believe the complaints will go away but as you are happy to ignore the complaints I'll accept that and when I've responded to the messages in this thread I will try not to bring the issue up again. > If a project as big as Mozilla Firefox allows it name to be changed, > > why would it be an issue for the gimp? > > For Firefox having the name configurable is part of the business plan. > I can't find any such note in the GIMP's business plan. Heck, I can't > even find the plan. I think it is a shame there is not a clear plan for the gimp and I think it would be a very good thing if there was a plan and efforts made to commericalise the gimp to allow developers like yourself (or others) to get better rewarded for the work you do improving the gimp. > > Why require people to fork or maintain their own patchsets for the > > sake of a little extra configurability. > > So that it becomes harder for them to do this. And if they really > think it's worth all the hassle, well, then they can do it. I suppose it is reasonable to draw the line somewhere. Thanks again for making a clear decision and explaining it. Sincerely Alan Horkan. http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Black and White
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Justin Gombos wrote: > Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:09:38 -0700 > From: Justin Gombos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: List - Gimp User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Gimp-user] Re: Black and White > > * Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-10-29 00:14]: > > I was wondering, is there some more plug-ins or scripts, > > for working with Black and White images? > > > > if so, where can I download them? > > Did you ever get an answer to that Richard? I'm looking for the same > thing. Specifically, I need to convert a newspaper that was scanned > as a grayscale image to a black and white monochrome 1 bit image. I > need a tool that's as intelligent as a scanner in making the > background white. Try Image, Mode, Indexed then choose: Use Black and White (1-bit) Palette There are other way too, try them as they are all useful depending on what you really want. Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] guide coordinating script
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004, Gert Cuykens wrote: > Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 22:44:15 +0100 > From: Gert Cuykens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: GIMPUser > Subject: [Gimp-user] guide coordinating script > > can some one make me a guide coordinating script please so i can do > for example horizontal guide at 100 px or vertical guide at 50 px. Alans Scripts: http://matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie/~horkana/dev/gnome/gimp/script-fu/script-fu.html New Guide script http://matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie/~horkana/dev/gnome/gimp/script-fu/scripts/guide-new.scm Adds a single Horizontal or Vertical Line Guide to the specified position (in pixels). >From your description I cannot tell if you are looking for something more complicated, if you want something more complicated you will need to try again to explain in greater detail what it is exactly that you want. Sincerely Alan Horkan Free SVG Clip Art http://OpenClipArt.org Dia is for Diagrams http://gnome.org/projects/dia/ Inkscape, Draw Freely http://inkscape.org Abiword is Awesome http://abisource.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Layers merging on exit
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005, Ryan Coyner wrote: > Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:45:13 -0500 > From: Ryan Coyner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: [Gimp-user] Layers merging on exit > > > Hey guys. I'm having some problems with layers, and if any of you can > help me find a solution, I'd appreciate it. Something similar happened to me while using Indexed mode. Only the XCF files allow multilayer Indexed colour files, PSD does not. Generally speaking most file formats do not allow multiple layers at all. Those that do include XCF and PSD (and possibly MNG if you have it installed) but XCF is the only format you can be sure will save the maximum amount of information possible. - Alan H. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Layers merging on exit
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005, Sven Neumann wrote: > Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 15:32:43 +0100 > From: Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Layers merging on exit > > Hi, > > Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Generally speaking most file formats do not allow multiple layers at > > all. Those that do include XCF and PSD (and possibly MNG if you > > have it installed) but XCF is the only format you can be sure will > > save the maximum amount of information possible. > > MNG supports layers but GIMP can't read MNG files, so that's not a > good advice. I knew it wasn't included by default (which is why I said if you have it) but I thought there was a plug-in available but if you say there isn't ... - Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] monitors & good linux photo_viewer_manager
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, michael crane wrote: > Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:00:35 + > From: michael crane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Gracia M. Littauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] monitors & good linux photo_viewer_manager > > Gracia M. Littauer wrote: > > Will need a new 17"/19" monitor soon, I'm afraid. Any recommended? New > > slimmer CRT?? Don't want an LCD. > > > > Also a good linux photo manager?...Pixie seems to have bit the dust. > > > I'm using nautilus "view as image collection" but it seems to refuse to > "show as image collection" quite often. so I'd like an alternative > suggestion too. I use Gthumb or Gqview because usually they are shipped with my distribution and I've already installed them. Gthumb http://gthumb.sourceforge.net Gqview http://gqview.sourceforge.net/ If you like Mono you might want to try out F-Spot http://www.gnome.org/projects/f-spot/ I haven't used any of the KDE image software long enough to give a fair opinion of them. If all else fails send a mail to google and ask them to for a Linux version of Picasa. - Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] 3D Images
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, Mathias Gibbens wrote: > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:06:38 -0800 > From: Mathias Gibbens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: [Gimp-user] 3D Images > > Hello, > > Is there a way to make 3D images (like the ones you need the > special glasses for) with GIMP? http://www.hazyhills.com/mars3d/howto/ - Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Announce: Graphics Muse Tools V3.0.0B1 - ported to GIMP 2.2.3
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris wrote: > Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:17:37 -0200 > From: Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Announce: Graphics Muse Tools V3.0.0B1 - ported > to GIMP 2.2.3 > > Hi! > > I will take a look later at them. > > I went to the site, and did not find easily a description of what the > plug-ins do (althoug I am in a hurry). Can you give us a url? Short descriptions here http://www.ximba.org/gfxmuse/gfxmuse.html I kept looking and eventually figured out the site layout and noticed the links on the top right which take you to more detailed descriptions and screenshots of GraphicsMuse http://www.ximba.org/gfxmuse/screenshots.html Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: [Gimp-web] Perlotine for Windows?
On Sat, 5 Feb 2005, Carol Spears wrote: > Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 22:32:06 -0800 > From: Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Micky Fokken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > GIMPUser > Subject: [Gimp-user] Re: [Gimp-web] Perlotine for Windows? > > hello, > On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 07:56:35PM -0600, Micky Fokken wrote: > > > > I read the perlotine tutorial and it's great. > > > > Problem.I'm using GIMP 2.2 on Windows and the plugin isn't loaded by > > default. > > > > I found the perlotine plugin (http://registry.gimp.org/list?name=perlotine > > ), but I don't know if this is a windows file. It ends in .pl. You could keep trying getting Perl (or even Python) to work or you could instead use Webotine (possibly spelt web-o-tine), which is a Script-Fu version of the same script and will work. I have my own custom version of it lying around somewhere (possibly renamed to "slice image" and other minor changes) if you want it but I'm pretty sure the original versin of Webotine is available in the Plugin registry. (sorry, would write more but I'm in a hurry) Sincerely Alan Horkan Inkscape, Draw Freely http://inkscape.org Abiword is Awesome http://abisource.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Trouble with layers from psd
On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Jakub Steiner wrote: > Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:26:49 +0100 > From: Jakub Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: GIMPUser , > Enesha Fairluck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Trouble with layers from psd > > On Mon, 2005-02-07 at 19:41 -0800, Carol Spears wrote: > > > there are differences between the native photoshop files and the native > > gimp files. gimp can handle different sized layers and other things. > > I'm not too certain Photoshop doesn't. In fact, I believe Photoshop > simply doesn't expose the fact to the interface and resizes layers "on > demand". >From my observation that is what it does alright. > > gimp cannot read psd text information as editable, it reads it only as a > > painted layer; at least to the best of my knowledge. Importing PSD Text layers as text isn't supported yet. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151686 > > it would be nice if everyone would stop making psd files since not > > everyone can use psd. PSD may not be a properly open standard but if you want to swap files with other graphics applications and still keep your layers it is the best option at the moment because lots of applications do understand PSD. Hopefully MNG or something like it will become more popular for sharing layered graphics in future but for now PSD is firmly entrenched. > In many cases people just want to convert their old work. or they downloaded tutorials and samples from the web that were in PSD format > They don't use proprietary formats by ignorance, but simply because of a > lack of option and lock-in of their software. Very True. - Alan H ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Trouble with layers from psd
On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Carol Spears wrote: > Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:03:30 -0800 > From: Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Jakub Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > GIMPUser > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Trouble with layers from psd > > On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 02:40:13AM +0100, Jakub Steiner wrote: > > On Tue, 2005-02-08 at 11:13 -0800, Carol Spears wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 01:26:49PM +0100, Jakub Steiner wrote: > > > > > > > > In many cases people just want to convert their old work. They don't use > > > > proprietary formats by ignorance, but simply because of a lack of option > > > > and lock-in of their software. > > > define "lock-in" please. > > > > Lock-in as in "f*ck I'm screwed now i have to use Adobe products to have > > access to all my work". > everyone has their own things that lock them into something and out of > other things. > while i have no idea what the developers are doing, either as a group or > individually (it is always just a guess about everything and anything, > not just gimp stuff), i always thought that they kept the ability to > read psd to a minimum to force people away from stealing and using > photoshop. it would make sense if you look at it like a war. If anything being able read PSD files makes it easier to move files away from Adobe Photoshop and into the GIMP. I think the ability to write good PSD files would do more to keep users from working with both the GIMP and Adobe Photoshop but I never believe the developers would deliberately keep functionality to a minimum. I would have thought that developers rather choose to work on the many other challenges that interested them more instead and because the lack of specifications from Adobe made the job a lot more difficult. > people who save their work in psd must be 1) secure that their place of > employment will always use photoshop and computers that run it or PSD files are understood by Paint Shop Pro and most most other graphics software because Adobe did provide some specifications for a while and even if they do not provide the same kind of information for the latest versions of PSD they are dominant enough that others have made an effort to provide some compatibility. If you want to share files with users of other graphics software (besides the gimp) without flattening the image then PSD is the most obvious choice for sharing Layered images (MNG isn't widely supported yet and if there are other good choices they are not as obvious as PSD). > 2) fairly certain they will always be able to afford it or steal it. > photoshop has done its part in the world to continually demand that > everyone purchase bigger and better computers with each new release; > everyone counts on things that i have found to be not dependable. Adobe Photoshop Elements is not as extortionately priced as the full commercial version of Adobe Photoshop, apparantly the older verison is even bundled with some digital cameras. Cheap versions of Photoshop can be legally obtained, I expect I could pick up a second hand copy of Photoshop 6 quite cheaply (the university I attend has some copies of PS6 on special machines). For the ordinary users that doesn't understand or care about Free Software that isn't such a bad deal. But my point is that with PS Elements and cheap older versions there are probably more legitamate Photoshop users than ever. > i get upset with the independent groups. i cannot remember the graphic > but someone appeared on #gimp with a psd for an event that was sponsored > by a group that was supposed to be all for freedom (it was anti-music or > anti-copyright, iirc). I'm surprised they didn't flatten the image to a PNG file but there really isn't that much choice if you want to preserve layers in a format that a wide range of applications will be able to understand. > THEN i spent a week following things on #gimp some. there was lots of > talk and exchange of facts about the gimp raw plug-in. i haven't seen > anything here about the raw plug-in, but i did see that Adobe has > released an updated raw thing themselves. > > all this stuff, and i just got to sit back and ask myself, whatsup? - Alan H. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
RE: [Gimp-user] Gimp contextual F1 help & Crimson Editor in Windows
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, [iso-8859-1] Rubén de Diego Martínez wrote: > Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:36:57 +0100 > From: "[iso-8859-1] Rubén de Diego Martínez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: 'Matthew H. Plough' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: RE: [Gimp-user] Gimp contextual F1 help & Crimson Editor in > Windows > > I can't remember if "html" files has been associated to crimson. May be, but > now aren't associated. I haved tried tipical solution: unistall crimson, > gimp, look for crimson association in the windows register. At this stage all I can think of is that windows might have different associations for .htm (firefox) and .html (crimson) (or vice versa) I know on occasion I've had completely different programs for .jpeg and .jpg > I have not found a solution. Hope we can figure this out. Sincerely Alan Horkan ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Color Reduction with GIMP
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Kalle Ounapuu wrote: > Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:53:58 -0500 > From: Kalle Ounapuu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: [Gimp-user] Color Reduction with GIMP > > In GIMP, is there an area where I can lock/remove individual colours in > an Indexed colour palette of an image? You could try using the Select by Colour tool, it might help give you what you are looking for. > I was able to see a colour table Dialog in GIMP, where I could edit RGB > values and add an additional colour. But I couldn't see anyway to remove > colours or lock them from being removed. I think you need the palette editor in this case. http://docs.gimp.org/en/ch04s13s03.html > Is there not something like Photoshop's "Save For Web" in GIMP? There is nothing comparable to Save for Web at least not at the moment: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98017 Hope that helps Sincerely Alan Horkan Inkscape, Draw Freely http://inkscape.org ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Script-Fu: documentation of SF-ADJUSTMENT and others?
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005, Andreas Waechter wrote: > Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:58:37 +0100 > From: Andreas Waechter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: [Gimp-user] Script-Fu: documentation of SF-ADJUSTMENT and others? > > Hi, > > I am trying to write a script-fu script. > No, I am (nearly) done with the script itself - if I > hardcode the parameters ... > > Now it needs some parameters given by the user (hardcoding > them is not good once the script is out of testing phase). If your copy of the gimp includes the sphere test (test-sphere.scm) You should read through it first. To the user the script may be ugly but to the programmer it provides invaluable comments and clear examples that help you get started with Script-Fu. > SF-ADJUSTMENT _"Value" '(10 1 100 1 10 0 1) > > By trial and error I found out: > 1st value (10) is the value displayed at startup. > 2nd value (1) is the lowest possible value. > 3rd value (100) is the highest possible value. > 4th value (1) is the increment/decrement when the little > arrows are used > > But what is the meaning of the other 3 (10, 0, 1)? ; Usage: ; SF-ADJUSTMENT "label" '(value, lower, upper, step_inc, page_inc, digits, type) page inc is a larger step value (best to go with 10 usualy) when page up or page down are used rather than the arrows. digits ... I dont think I need to explain type allows you to show a slider in addition to the adjustement box (aka Spinner) > Also I look for a way to initialize such an > SF-ADJUSTMENT with the image-width or image height, i.e. set > the first value not to a fixed number but to the image > dimension (either width or height). I'm fairly sure it is possible but difficult. Some of scripts included with the gimp will give you ideas on how to do this but I decided not to spend too much time trying to figure it out. (When you have all the rest of your script figured out I try and point you in the right direction on this if you are still interested.) It is far easier to structure your script in a different way, I would use perecentages of Image size or something else. Describe what the script is supposed to be doing and I might be able to make a more helpful suggestion or even help you with your script (or recommened a similar script someone else has written already). > Once I got that into operation, I'd like to "couple" the > boxes for width and height together, in the same way the > width/height boxes are coupled together in > "/Image/Scale Image" Short answer: Script Fu does not offer this functionality. > In scripts on my machine I found these: > SF-STRING > SF-FILENAME > SF-DIRNAME > SF-FONT > SF-PATTERN > SF-BRUSH > SF-GRADIENT > SF-LAYER > SF-CHANNEL Read test-sphere.scm and try out a few things and then read it again but after you have read it feel free to ask more questions. > Ok, these are pretty obvious, also the > SF-OPTION (taking a list of Strings giving the selected > string) > > Are there more? It is easier for me to just point out some of the limitations of Script-Fu There is currently no way to have a Radio list in Script-Fu. Script-Fu does not support UTF but it planned that Tiny-Fu (also scheme) will and then it will replace Script-Fu. I cannot stress enough how much it helps to know what it is exactly you are trying to do and it is especially helpful if you show us the code so that we can help. Hope that helps Please do take a look at my GNU Image Manipulation Program Scripts http://matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie/~horkana/dev/gnome/gimp/script-fu/script-fu.html and if you think they could be improved or have any suggestions of new scripts that might be interesting to write please let me know. Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ Inkscape, Draw Freely http://inkscape.org Abiword is Awesome http://abisource.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Positioning elements
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005, Michael Satterwhite wrote: > Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:36:10 -0600 > From: Michael Satterwhite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: [Gimp-user] Positioning elements > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > (In Linux) I'm having a problem positioning elements. When I select the > move tool and try using the keyboard, it's not moving the element ... > instead, it's zooming in and out. The mouse isn't precise enough to set > element, and I don't see a way to specify the absolute position of an > element. > > Also, is there a tool / addin / ??? that will allow centering a layer > (horizontally, vertically, or both) within an image? You might try Layer, Align Visible Layers. I also wrote a script to do this task in a way I liked better and found more user friendly which you might find useful but it doesn't really do anything new. Align Layer Script http://matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie/~horkana/dev/gnome/gimp/script-fu/scripts/layer-align.scm (free for personal non-commercial use mostly because it is sort of incomplete and not well tested. if you want to do anything else with it just ask and I'm sure we can sort something out). Sincerely Alan Horkan http://matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie/~horkana/dev/gnome/gimp/script-fu/script-fu.html ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp very slow loading extension_script_fu!
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Neo Anderson wrote: > Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:09:48 -0500 > From: Neo Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: [Gimp-user] Gimp very slow loading extension_script_fu! > > Hi! I am new. > > I have Fedora Core 3 and Gimp 2.24. > I have a small problem here. Every time I start Gimp, the splash screen > would freeze a minute or more showing 'loading extension_script_fu'. It can sometimes take a while to load, there are a lot of plugins and extensions to be loaded. > Do others have same experience or do I need to do someting on my > computer? I usually run the gimp with options not to load all the extensions (although this can sometimes have annoying side effects when extensions expect everything to be preloaded). You can do this too by using the following command line arguements: gimp --no-data --no-splash --no-fonts Give it a try and decide if it works well enough for you. I find the improvement in startup speed very helpful and worth any minor inconveniences but your mileage may vary. Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Drag and Drop Saving [was Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Default mode for file dialog]
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Pasi Savolainen wrote: > Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 23:22:00 + (UTC) > From: Pasi Savolainen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: [Gimp-user] Re: Default mode for file dialog > Slightly OT: > I'd very much like some kind of drag'n'drop saving that could work by > dragging image to folder on desktop. (Dragging 'Active image' preview > from toolbox could do the trick?). The suggestion going round has been that the icon included in the window decoration would become a drag target and dragging it to the desktop would save it. This was just one idea put forward, I dont know if there is even a bug report for it yet and (although I'm only guessing) I wouldn't expect it to be available all that soon. Sincerely Alan Horkan Inkscape http://inkscape.org Abiword http://www.abisource.com Dia http://gnome.org/projects/dia/ Open Clip Art http://OpenClipArt.org Alan's Diary http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] "action" and "batch"
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Ary Kaplan Nakamura wrote: > Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 02:35:40 -0300 > From: Ary Kaplan Nakamura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: [Gimp-user] "action" and "batch" > > I`m moving from Photoshop to Gimp and what I can`t find is the "action" > option. > What I mean is that I want to program some actions (like re size, save, etc) > and then automatically run them. > In photoshop that is call "action" and the automatising to a whole directory > is call "automate --> batch". > What about Gimp ? No not yet sorry. If you are a programmer or know someone who is it is possible to write scripts that help automate tasks but there is no way to record them automatically like with Adobe Photoshop Actions. Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advaogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GimpShop
On Sat, 2 Apr 2005, Pierre-Alexis wrote: > Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 19:28:23 +0200 (CEST) > From: Pierre-Alexis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Tom Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] GimpShop > > Maybe GimpShop should become an option in the Gimp > preferences ? > > You choose the interface you want when you install The > Gimp, and you can change it in the Preferences... The last thing the GIMP needs is another option at startup. Pick good defaults, and offer preferences. -- Alan Horkan. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: GimpShop
> Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 22:46:47 -0500 (EST)
> From: Jonathan D Gibbons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu
> Subject: [Gimp-user] Re: GimpShop
>
> Now, what I think would be really wonderful along these lines would be a
> setup whereby The Gimp can be easily "skinned" to a rearranged UI like
> this.
That is a whole lot of maintainance work, way more than you might think.
I would hope optimistically that things could be adjusted to work well for
all kinds of users and I think it would be better to make efforts to
improve the defaults first (but developers will spend time on whatever
they are most interested in).
If it is possible to make these kinds of changes and enough people are
interested it will probably happen (like it just did) so it makes sense to
try and allow it (and do so in a way that can be maintained) rather than
telling people to fork if they do not like the user interface.
I think the point about finding menu items is worth considering but we
already deal with users in various langauges (and therefore different
lables for the same things) and I think this problem could be reduced if
the PDB Browser could be improved to allow users to search for things more
easily.
I have a custom version of PDB Browser that allows me to search by Name,
Summary ('cause "blurb" is too much common slang), Description and a bunch
of other fields too. (I'm not sure if I ever asked for the built in
version to be improved, for some reason I have a feeling I might have.)
> That way, we can have a Gimp skin that is familiar to Photoshop users, a
Although it is not exactly the kind of skin you are talking about I would
like a GTK theme that had a nice triangular slider widget like in
Photoshop. (I suggested such a change to the ClearLooks theme for Gnome
but I haven't checked it recently to see if the idea was accepted.)
Sincerely
Alan Horkan
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Re: [Gimp-user] Re: GimpShop
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005, Sven Neumann wrote:
> Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 10:27:38 +0200
> From: Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: Jonathan D Gibbons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Re: GimpShop
>
> Hi,
>
> Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > That is a whole lot of maintainance work, way more than you might
> > think. I would hope optimistically that things could be adjusted to
> > work well for all kinds of users and I think it would be better to
> > make efforts to improve the defaults first (but developers will
> > spend time on whatever they are most interested in).
>
> AFAIK, a bunch of people are already working on improving the menu
> hierarchy. Anyone who feels that he/she can contribute, should join
> this effort. This is definitely not something that should be done by
> developers, at least not by developers only. The developers have done
I use the term developer in a much broader sense than perhaps you do (I
would include all kinds of contributors). I'm aware of the menu
reoganisation plan but I lost interest due to the wiki downtime and I dont
expect to have time to contribute to it again anytime soon.
> their job already, the menu structure is easily editable since GIMP
> 2.2. Now it's up to the users to discuss menu structure and to come up
> with a reasonable proposal for changes. Implementing these changes is
> the trivial part.
Sure, I dont disagree with that.
> Of course it should be kept in mind that the user manual as well as
> the translations need updating as well.
Very true, this is part of what I was getting at with point about the
amount of maintaince work that would be needed.
> For this reason I don't think that the menu labels and/or their order
> should be themeable. That would break translation and the documentation.
> Good defaults is what we should try to achieve.
> > I think the point about finding menu items is worth considering but
> > we already deal with users in various langauges (and therefore
> > different lables for the same things) and I think this problem could
> > be reduced if the PDB Browser could be improved to allow users to
> > search for things more easily.
>
> I don't see how the Procedure Browser is relevent here since it is a
You probably know the GNU Image manipulation program like the back of your
hand but I think using the Procedure Browser/Plugin Database it to search
for things is a massively useful and underrated feature. It encourages
users to more easily find things for themselves rather than needing to ask
questions or trawl through the documentation.
> tool for script and plug-in authors and doesn't deal at all with menus
> or the user interface in general.
Even though it doesn't cover the whole user interface it is still useful
and if it did cover the whole user interface and even allow me to Apply a
filter once I've found it it would make a very useful tool (maybe
something like the effects browser found in Jasc Paint Shop Pro).
> > I have a custom version of PDB Browser that allows me to search by
> > Name, Summary ('cause "blurb" is too much common slang), Description
> > and a bunch of other fields too. (I'm not sure if I ever asked for
> > the built in version to be improved, for some reason I have a
> > feeling I might have.)
> I don't think you did and you know very well how to do this
> properly. Please open a bug report and attach a diff to it.
It was just a comment. If I had time I was going to check it later and
perhaps file a request, no need to jump down my throat. I did mention the
ideas before and suggest improvements before but they were superceded by
changes Yosh made. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156340
The custom code I had was in Python (very easy for me to prototype and
test) and making a new patch against the PDB browser/Plugin database and
properly testing it is quite a different matter. Providing a properly
tested diff against the current codebase is another question entirely.
Also the tradeoff of simply adding all the extra search buttons to the
user interface is that it makes it look really ugly and cluttered
(although buttons for just Summary and Description could be added
relatively easily) and I never had time to think up a good way to present
the other functionality.
I'll try and find time to file a new request but I have other work to do
for now. Gotta go.
Sincerely
Alan Horkan
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Re: [Gimp-user] Newbie - looking for info on 'stencils'
On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, Sara Schein wrote: > Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 13:56:14 -0400 > From: Sara Schein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: [Gimp-user] Newbie - looking for info on 'stencils' > > Hi there - I'm a newb to the linux/gimp world, and previously only > dwelt on Photoshop elements in WinXP. > I've been lurking the typical web pages and reading up on the > tutorials, and was wondering if someone somewhere has a simple way to > make a 'stencil' image. (Think stencils like spray painting type, > though I use it for stamp carving.) In photoshop, all one really does > is make a greyscale (for which there is a good tute) and fiddle with > the contrast a bit. (Here's a sample tute for PS: > http://home.agalis.net/bcostley/Letterbox/PSinst.htm, though the ones > for stencils are generally better made) It should be possible to recreate that process and maybe use a Script-Fu to automate it a little. (Thanks for providing a relevant link to explain what you meant, it really helped.) Hopefully this sketch tutorial will be relevant. http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Sketch_Effect/ > If someone could point me in the right direction, I'd surely appreciate it. > > Also - Again I'm new, but aside from the archives, is there an easy > way to read back on the list? I feel terrible, because I'm sure > something like this has been beaten to death already. I usually just use google and then restrict the search to just one site using the keyword site:mail.archive.website.com which works reasonably well and add a few well chosen simple keywords like "gimp" and whatever else I might be looking for. -- ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Feature Request: Open toolbox on right click.
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, David Marrs wrote: > Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:09:28 +0100 > From: David Marrs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: [Gimp-user] Feature Request: Open toolbox on right click. > > I posted this to the c.g.a.gimp group initially but was told that this the wha'? not familiar with the term c.g.a.gimp > might be a better place for it. I wanted to discuss it before submitting > it as a feature requeset to bugzilla. That way other users of the GIMP > can bring their ideas to it (like, whether or not they like it!) and I > can make it a bit more focused where it's uncertain (see *highlighted* > sentance): > > - - - - > > It once again occured to me after recently discovering the stroke/fill > option that there are many commonly used operations associated with > tools that are difficult for users to find. Drawing shapes is a good > example of this. GIMP - it has to be said - is not the most intuitive > application in the world. Rather than creating complex selectoins and then stroking them, Gfig can be used to create some intersting results too. request for a shape tool http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65197 > In fact, to utilise tools, one must either open a menu or go to one of > the dialogues docked in another window to get at the options one needs, > which can be frustrating if it's obscured by the window you're working > in. I'm often making 3 or 4 clicks to make a simple change. > > So, why not associate a toolbox with each tool that can be opened by > right clicking in the image window. Currently, right clicking simply If anything the GNU Image Manipulation Program should be moving away from requiring right click for anything as it makes work more cumbersome for anyone using a pen interface or accessibility tools. > opens the menubar, which can be accessed twice already from the image > window: If look back into the history of the gimp and see the stuggle it was to get the menubar added at all you will realise that there are many users who do actually like having to make that extra click anytime they want to do anything and you would have to pry the right click menu out of their cold dead hands. > it seems like a waste of a mouse button to me. Much better to be > able to perform common tasks, such as "path to selection" or "stroke > path" instead. Most other applications use the right click menu as _context menu_ providing a short list of the most used or most relevant functions for a particular situation. I am afraid this is not a change the developers would be able to make without pissing off a lot of existing users and more importantly I do not think it is even a change they would particularly want to make. > You could also make it flexible and do what you do already with > dialogues, providing a number of presets while allowing users the option > to customise the toolkit themselves (a system that works excellently imo). I think there is some sort of plan to make it easier to have presets for the various Filters, not sure though, might just be wishful thinking on my part. > Btw, this is (more or less) my first post to the mailing list. So I'd > just like to say hello to all other gimpers out there and, of course, > thank you to any developers watching. The developers do read this too. Later Alan Horkan Inkscape http://inkscape.org Open Clip Art http://OpenClipArt.org ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Feature Request: Open toolbox on right click.
> >>> You can specify inthe preferences that the toolbox must be "on top". > >>> This way, you always have it available... > >> Try as I might, I cannot find this option! > > > > Preferences->Window Management->Hint for the toolbox->keep above > > I'm not entirely sure what this achieves but I didn't notice any > difference in window behaviour. Maybe it's because I'm running the > windows port? In a nutshell, yes. That feature is not yet available in the windows port (or at least it wasn't last time I checked). There are some utilities availalbe for windows which allow you to forcibly add support for always on top to all your applications but that is a bit messy. If you search the gimpwin-users list at Yahoo groups you will probably find past suggestions about how to compensate for the crappy Window Management on Windows. - Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop
On Wed, 4 May 2005, Kent Tong wrote: > Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 03:10:33 + (UTC) > From: Kent Tong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: [Gimp-user] Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop > > Hi, > > We're an organization promoting open source in Macau. We're considering > whether to organize some training courses on GIMP or not. Before that, > we'd like to evaluate how powerful GIMP is when compared to Photoshop. > We're not insisting that it must be as powerful as Photoshop. We just > need a clear idea on its power. I'll try and keep this factual and give you information to work with. The scripting infrastructure and availabity of source code is a big factor in making the GNU Image Manipulation Program powerful. It is possible to do batch processing of images but usually people recommend using a tool like ImageMagick instead. Adobe Photoshop also has scripting in the form of Actions. Actions can be recorded and played back which is quite powerful for users but developers will probably find that Script-Fu gives them more control as they can directly edit the files. (I believe they also have a Python SDK but I'm having difficulty finding it.) One of the things I've noticed is that Adobe Photoshop (and the PSD file format) does not allow Indexed images with multiple layers. If you save to any format other than XCF you cannot be sure all features will be supported. There is no version of Adobe Photoshop for Linux (or any Unix with the possible exception of Mac OS X depending on how you look at it) and although Adobe Photoshop version 7 has been made to work with Wine http://winehq.com there were problems getting more recent versions to work. Many users with dual-head setups say they much prefer having seperate windows and use one screen for the image and put the palettes on a seperate window. Some of the people who do not like how the GIMP manages windows make use of the Deweirdifyer to give them a back window (and others use Xnest, or multiple workspaces) http://registry.gimp.org/plugin?id=3892 If you are using the GIMP on windows (and this only works on the windows version) you can get PSPI which is a plugin which allows some types of third party Adobe Photoshop plugins to work with the GIMP. > As I'm not a graphics guy, I've got a colleague to do some initial > evaluation. As my colleague has a strong photoshop background but is > just getting started with GIMP, I'd like to have the confirmation from > someone like you with strong GIMP experience. So, would you please > comment on my colleague's finding below? Thanks in advance! Your colleague might have a more comfortable experience if he used the Photoshop style keybindings for the GIMP (replace the menurc file with the psmenurc) but in the long run that might be counterproductive if you really want to learn how to use the program. The GimpShop project may also be of interest to your colleague but hopefully in the long run the best ideas from GimpShop will be incorporated back in to the GNU Image manipulation program. http://plasticbugs.com/index.php?p=241 > -- Compare to PhotoShop, creating text effect is difficult. Photoshop built in > text effects. GIMP can only use the filter or script-fu to create effect. > -- Compare to PhotoShop, text effect will still be apply even the Text is > changed. But you need to do everything again if you text need to be changed. > -- Can't display Chinese font in the font selection list. > > - Layers control > -- Can't display Chinese in the Layer. > -- Compare to PhotoShop, managing the layers is not that easy. You can define > layers to groups in Photoshop. You can even target an action to a group. No > group idea in GIMP. Some bug reports and requests relevant to Layer management Add support for Photoshop Styles and adjustment layers http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79025 Add a 'lock' flag per layer to protect it http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61019 Add support for layer trees or layer groups http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86337 There are many suggestions in Bugzilla and if you can get your colleague to take a look at the list of open requests you should be able to a reasonably good idea of some of the features users are already asking for and perhaps recognise some of them from Adobe Photoshop. The GIMP changes all the time. You should make sure to get the latest version (compile from CVS if possible) and install extra functionality like gimp-python or gimp-perl or the gimp animation package and extra files like gimp-help gimp-data-extra to make sure you are doing a full and fair evaluation (it could take a while). Sincerely Alan Horkan Inkscape http://inkscape.org Open Clip Art http://OpenClipArt.org ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Nobody does it better [was Re: [Gimp-user] when even free advertising fails]
[please trim the subject line in your responses] On Sun, 8 May 2005, Tom Williams wrote: > Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 08:12:15 -0700 > From: Tom Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: gimp user > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] when even free advertising fails > > Kalle Ounapuu wrote: > > The bug-tracker serves it's purpose, but you can't expect everyone to be > > reading it over before making any comment about GIMP. > > I agree. People use Gimp (or try to) and have a problem or criticism and post > their feedback here instead of filing bug/enhancement reports or looking to > see > what is already documented in Bugzilla, etc. > > > Maybe there are GIMP users who would love everyone to drop Photoshop (or > > whatever) and use GIMP. > > You know, I'm not sure this is really the case. At least not based on > discussion I've seen on this mailing list. I think a lot of frustration stems > from people slamming Gimp for simply not looking, feeling, behaving, or > tasting > exactly like PhotoShop. It's almost like if it's not PhotoShop, it's crap. I think most users are frustrated by the gimp and less frustrated by photoshop and the easiest way for them to express that is to make simple comparisons rather than being able to suggest better ways to do things. > The focus tends to be on what PhotoShop does that Gimp doesn't do and > almost no mention is made of the things Gimp can do that PhotoShop > can't. What can the GNU Image Manipulation Program do that Adobe Photoshop cannot do? Please do tell. I have recently pointed out that the gimp allows you to have files with multiple layers in Indexed Mode and photoshop does not. I would like to be able to expand on this list of things I know the gimp can do better. I would very sincerely be interested to know other things you can do with the GNU Image manipulation program that cannot be done with other software, particuarly things that cannot be done in Adobe Photoshop. No need to go into the obvious well known issues of price, and Free Software which although important have been discussed to death many times before and are usually given as the best reasons for using the gimp (they are very good reasons). - Alan H. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Nobody does it better [was Re: when even free advertising fails]
On Wed, 11 May 2005, Olivier Ripoll wrote: > Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:50:34 +0200 > From: Olivier Ripoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: [Gimp-user] Re: Nobody does it better [was Re: when even free > advertising fails] > > Alan Horkan wrote: > > [please trim the subject line in your responses] > > What can the GNU Image Manipulation Program do that Adobe Photoshop cannot > > do? Please do tell. I have recently pointed out that the gimp allows you > > to have files with multiple layers in Indexed Mode and photoshop does not. > > I would like to be able to expand on this list of things I know the gimp > > can do better. > > Hi Alan, > > * There is the possibility to use Gimp as a server like for > http://www.flamingtext.com/ > http://cooltext.com/ > I guess this will not be considered a big plus untill google introduces > some similar tool. Running the gimp headless is definately a big deal, thanks for reminding me of this functionality. > * The availability of three scripting languages, one of them being > actually easy to understand (guess which ;) ) I recognise how usefult this functionality is and I make use of it myself but sorry to be pessimistic, compared to using command line tool or the automation tools in Photoshop and the ability to record Actions/Macros/Scripts in Photoshop I cannot consider this an outstanding feature of the gimp. I had to learn the various scripting languages but even to people who already know the languages I cannot imagine that is easier than saving a list of actions from the Undo history or any similar Macro Recorder. > * I seem to remember that it was mentionned that Gimp can load some > pictures with large dimensions (like 1*N N being very large) while PS > fails (I am not talking about N*M, where N and M are big here). I think > a scientific person add raised this point last year. Good point. With the right configuration the tile based architecture allows user to manipulate some very large files. > * The recent possibility to use gimp without interface. This seems almost the same as running it as server. > * The possibility to use it on *nix systems. This is useful for > companies using linux farms. This is already well known and I was hoping people would concentrate on user level features and maybe try and make direct comparisons and give reasons to use the gimp on platforms that also have Photoshop available. > * 64 bits ready ! Based on comments Sven has made I am not sure how much difference it would really make, but again with the source code freely available there is a lot more potential. > Sure, some of the points apply to niche markets. But CYMK is mostly > useless for most personal use (web, home printing) and so also relates > to some small market share (same for 16bits per channels and floating > points). With the recent take-over of Macromedia by Adobe I took a closer look at Macromedia Fireworks. The gimp makes many things possible but fireworks deliberately focusses on particularly tasks and streamlines the process of creating certain types of graphics. There is not much a talented artists cannot do with mspaint, what is important is how convenient and easy a program makes it achieve common tasks, at least in my not so humble opinion. > Best regards, > > Olivier. Thanks for the information, sometimes it is all too easy to forget exactly what the strengths of the gimp are. Sincerely Alan Horkan ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: Nobody does it better [was Re: [Gimp-user] when even free advertising fails]
On Wed, 11 May 2005, David Marrs wrote: > Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 19:52:46 +0100 > From: David Marrs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: Re: Nobody does it better [was Re: [Gimp-user] when even free > advertising fails] > > Alan Horkan wrote: > > >...GNU Image Manipulation Program... > > > Ah, so I'm not the only one who writes "Cinepaint" on his CV. :) Forget > that group layer effect nonsense, the biggest advantage Photoshop has > over GIMP is that its name doesn't conjure images of a leather man kept > on a leesh with his mouth zippered shut! Please let's not get into that discussion again. As you can already tell I try and make an effort to use the full name of the GNU Image Manipulation Program and get on with it. Sven has made it clear that the name will not be changed http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/diary.html?start=144 Even if people did want to change the name the practical difficulties are quite significant. I do not think there is anything new we can say on the subject. I was deliberately trying to change the subject and talk about the things we do like and take a more optimistic look. Sincerely Alan Horkan Inkscape http://inkscape.org Abiword http://www.abisource.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
RE: [Gimp-user] Re: Nobody does it better
On Thu, 12 May 2005, Kalle Ounapuu wrote: > Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:30:00 -0400 > From: Kalle Ounapuu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Tom Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: RE: [Gimp-user] Re: Nobody does it better > > > > Here are some things I found I couldn't do with PhotoShop > > Elements and I'm sure > > someone will correct me if they are possible with the > > full-blown PhotoShop: > > *) Take screenshots. I often take screenshots of Gimp or > > other apps, if not > > the desktop. The cool thing about doing it *within* the > > graphics app is I can > > immediately scale, resize, or otherwise manipulate the image > > without having to > > use one app to take the screenshot and another to do the manipulation. > > On my PC with Photoshop I simply press Print Screen on my keyboard, go > into Photoshop, make a new image and ctrl+v to paste the screenshot. > When making a new image (e.g. File/New), the screenshot dimensions are > automatically detected. If I didn't have this basic "PRNT SCREEN" > capability working, or I wanted a more automation with multiple > screenshots, I would probably use HyperSnap DX or some other screenshot > program. I'd be surprised if Adobe Photoshop Elements didn't work the same as its big brother, in most cases is does. I'd be inclinded to say it is six of one half dozen of the other and in my opinion it is difficult to say which approach is better. I plan on keeping an old version of the GIMP around for a very long time, and the extra feature that allowed you to take screenshots excluding window decorations is one of the reasons for that (sure I could read the XWD man page but why would I want to?). (I'm also hoping Glade will add functionality to batch convert Glade files to PNG screenshots which would significantly change the way I do things and save me a whole lot of effort when it comes to taking screenshots.) Screenshots is one of those features where Adobe have passed off the job to the Operating System which keeps things relatively simple. The GIMP offers a few extra features but I think it is difficult to say that one approach is inherently better. (The developers of the gnome screenshot applet has command line options to take only the current window and add a delay but they are still considering how best to present that information to users in a simple straightforward way.) > Seems like a lot of GIMP users are interested in taking screenshots and > sharpening them... what gives? =) I try and use a flat low colour theme sharp looking theme for screenshots and save as PNG. Jpeg is almost always the wrong file format for screenshots particularly ones with any text in them. If you are taking a screenshot that contains a photograph and your theme uses a lot of colours gradients and no text you might just be able to get a reasonable result but you have already made it very difficult to get compact screenshots with that of setup. I expect that users are trying to sharpen screenshots to compensate for the inappropriate condiditions when taking the screenshot. Sven pointed out that the GIMP has support for MIDI devices which as far as I can tell is not something Adobe Photoshop supports, however I wouldn't like to assume that the MIDI support provided by the Operating system doesn't take care of this somehow. Given their supposedly "Neutral Point of view" the Wikipedia article on the GIMP is terribly unbalanced, and I hope someone will take the positives brought up in this conversation and maybe add them to the article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_GIMP (Later I will try and respond to the points Carol made but it was not clear what she meant and I am particularly short of time today.) Sincerely Alan Horkan Inkscape http://inkscape.org Abiword http://www.abisource.com Dia http://gnome.org/projects/dia/ Open Clip Art http://OpenClipArt.org Alan's Diary http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] wrapping a map
On Sat, 14 May 2005, wayne wrote: > Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 16:34:49 -1000 > From: wayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: [Gimp-user] wrapping a map > > What's the tool that wraps a flat image around a hemispherical shaped object? > I'm trying to make a flat map (geographical) look slightly curved. Filter, Glass, Apply Lens might be enough for what you need. Map to Sphere is probably overkill but also an option. Sincerely Alan Horkan Inkscape http://inkscape.org Abiword http://www.abisource.com Alan's Diary http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Fast way to view all patterns?
On Tue, 17 May 2005, Rikard Johnels wrote: > Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 03:18:11 +0200 > From: Rikard Johnels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: [Gimp-user] Fast way to view all patterns? > > Hello all! > Is there a fast way to view all patterns a bit bigger then the iconic view in > the selection tools? > I would like to have a palette to view ca. 200x200 pixels big. > It would make it easier for me to choose the right one faster. Open the Patterns Palette (aka Dialog) Click on the trianglular icon to the right of the X shaped icon, from the context menu choose Preview Size, Gigantic Which looks like approxiamately 200x200, although patterns smaller than that are not forcibly resized. Sincerely Alan Horkan http://matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie/~horkana/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Sorry for some bothering stuff, and some issues with GIMP
If you are on windows and you want to open the gimp from another program you need to make sure to use gimp-remote.exe rather than gimp.exe Hope that help -- ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Updates
> Have someone make a depositry of plugins http://registry.gimp.org It isn't as easy to use as the Mozilla plugin system but I wanted to make sure you were aware of it. Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Comic Book retro style dots [Re: [Gimp-user] Camera to Comic Book]
The more detail you provide in your question the better chance you have of getting exactly the answer you want. If you want an effect like that seen in the Rhino picture you need to learn about Halftones, which is very much retro comic book style as opposed to some of the other simplrer more straighforward Cartoon effects like: Filters, Artistic, Cartoon... The wikipedia page isn't a bad place to start if you want to learn more about Halftones: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halftone There is also a plugin for the gimp that can achieve this effect but it was confusingly called "Newsprint". The Newsprint plugin failed to mention the term Halftone in the short description so even when I knew what I was looking for it still took me ages to actually find the gimp version. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301201 Thanks to Michael Natter the next version of the gimp Plugin Browser has a more flexible search tool which will hopefully make things easier to find in future but I still think the Newsprint plugin could benefit from an overhaul/rename/improved documentation. Here's an example from the RedHat Getting started guide which uses the Newsprint plugin http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-3-Manual/step-guide/s1-images-gimp.html Gimp User Manual, examples of Plugins including an example of Newsprint http://www.mhatt.aps.anl.gov/dohn/software/gimp/GUMC/#918427 A GUG tutorial that makes various text effects using the Newsprint plugin http://gug.sunsite.dk/tutorials/tomcat2/ Sincerely Alan Horkan Inkscape http://inkscape.org Open Clip Art http://OpenClipArt.org Dia http://gnome.org/projects/dia/ On Sun, 29 May 2005, Donncha O Caoimh wrote: > Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 00:04:34 +0100 > From: Donncha O Caoimh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Jad Madi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Camera to Comic Book > > Here's a method I came across. Works quite well for certain photos... > http://blogs.linux.ie/xeer/2004/10/01/cartoonizing-photos-with-the-gimp/ > > Donncha. > > Jad Madi wrote: > > http://www.flickr.com/groups_topic.gne?id=30241 > >> > >>On 5/28/05, Jad Madi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>>any idea how to apply camera to comic book technique with gimp? ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Anyone good at converting/porting scripts from perl to python?
On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Rikard Johnels wrote: > Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 03:39:30 +0200 > From: Rikard Johnels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: [Gimp-user] Anyone good at converting/porting scripts from perl > to python? > > I have been trying to get Gimp Perl to run without success for a while now. > I have decided to try another way.. > The script i want to run is as follows; > register"center_guide", > "Creates h- & v-guides at the center of the image.", > "Physical center = width/2 and height/2; Optical center = the > Golden Mean.", > How do i convert it to python? > Python i DO have working... > > (I did try to mail the author, but i got a bounced mail...) I wrote a few scripts for manipulating guides using scheme (one to add a guide at specified pixel position and another to add guides based on a percentage of the image size, some of them are included in Gimp 2.2 see Image, Guides, ...). Maybe if you are repeating the same task a lot these are to generalised? I suppose could rewrite the Centre Guides script in Python (nevermind, Jaoa has done it already). Thing is I would have rewritten it i Scheme already except that I was not convinced anyone would actually want to use this script. I would be very interested to know why exactly is the centre guides script useful? More importantly, what bigger problem are you trying to solve? You mention you are also interested in extending the script to divide the image into thirds, which makes me seriously think there is something bigger going on you aren't telling us about. With more information we might be able to offer an even better answer, and solve the bigger problem rather than only treating the symptoms. Sincerely Alan Horkan Inkscape http://inkscape.org Abiword http://www.abisource.com Dia http://gnome.org/projects/dia/ Open Clip Art http://OpenClipArt.org Alan's Diary http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Making GIMP a little more tablet friendly, maybe?
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005, Esrix wrote: > Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:35:31 -0700 (PDT) > From: Esrix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: [Gimp-user] Making GIMP a little more tablet friendly, maybe? > > I can only speculate at how many times this has > probably been brought up in the past... but I'll talk > about it anyway. > > I have a tablet that I like to use when I create > digital images. And, these days, I am starting to > work almost exclusively in GIMP. I think that it > would be very handy if there was a key you could hold > down that would allow the user to scroll the picture > in any direction while moving the mouse. I realize > that this is totally capable with the middle mouse > button, but not every tablet allows you to configure > settings like that. Currently, if I'm using my tablet > in GIMP and I want to scroll to another area of the > picture, I have to put down the tablet and use the > mouse button, or use the scrollbars, which isn't very > efficient. In Photoshop (I know I probably shouldn't > compare the two) this is accomplished by holding down > the spacebar. I'm not saying GIMP should ditch the > current use of the spacebar, but I, personally, would > like to put forward my interest in having a key on the > keyboard that does the exact same function. This change was suggested a while back, on the developer list I think. If I recall correctly it was implemented and is included in the latest CVS version of the GNU Image Manipulation program but now that I look at the mailing list archives I may be mistaken: http://www.mail-archive.com/gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/msg08055.html http://www.mail-archive.com/gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/msg08081.html It was good of you to make the effort to explain the problem you were really trying to solve and then suggesting a possible solution (it doesn't hurt that Photoshop does it that way either). - Alan H. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Making GIMP a little more tablet friendly, maybe?
In case others do not read Svens journal this might be of interest http://svenfoo.geekheim.de/index.php/2005-06-17/maemo-applications/#comments Sven was lucky enough to win a Nokia handheld device and has expressed interest in creating a custom version of the GIMP to work on the smaller display. I imagine any such version of the GIMP would by necessity be much slimmer (hopefully some of which could be incorporated in the standard version) and would also be designed to work well with Pen input devices. Essentially it would very likely be the the Tablet friendly version of the GIMP you are interested in seeing. If you want to see this happen perhaps you could asks Sven for ways to him help out? Sincerely Alan Horkan Inkscape http://inkscape.org Abiword http://www.abisource.com Dia http://gnome.org/projects/dia/ Open Clip Art http://OpenClipArt.org Alan's Diary http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ [1] GIMP on Steroids? Suggests power but not slimness. Bruce Lee is compact and powerful but his was a different kind of Arts. On Thu, 23 Jun 2005, Tim E. Jedlicka - wrk wrote: > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:57:45 -0500 > From: Tim E. Jedlicka - wrk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Making GIMP a little more tablet friendly, maybe? > > > Sven> One is the user point of view: a cluttered preferences > Sven> dialog makes it very hard to locate the option you are > Sven> looking for. > > Is a compromise possible? Looking at how firefox handles this, > there are menu based preferences, and then there are "customizations" via > about:config. about:config is even somewhat searchable/filter-able. If > something like this was implemented then gimp could "vouch"/test the menu > options, but if you invoke a "customization" then Your Kilometage May Vary. > > Then we could argue whether an option should be a "preference" or a > "customization". > - > Timothy Jedlicka, [EMAIL PROTECTED], 1-630-713-4436, AOL-IM=tjbonzo > Network Entomologist, Lucent Technologies, LWS NOVE Lab Operations > > > ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Reply to Considered Harmful [was Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Multiple file scaling]
Please do not reply to this message. Please let this discussion end as quickly as possible. On Fri, 24 Jun 2005, Andreas Waechter wrote: > Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 16:45:50 +0200 > From: Andreas Waechter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Multiple file scaling > > nuno alexandre wrote: > > Oh and BTW, > > Can you _please_ reply only to the list and not to me personally, > > unless requested ? > > Unfortunately (IMO) this list is set up so that a "Reply" > goes NOT to the list but to the original sender of the message. > I don't know why this list is set up in this way - replying > to the list (for public discussion) is IMO the standard > case, replying to someone personnally the exception - thus > the standard setup should be that a reply goes to the list. This question come up on a regular basis. Here is a link to one of the more recent discusssion on: "Reply To considered Harmful" http://www.mail-archive.com/gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/msg09567.html There are different opinions on this issue. I strongly encourage people to read the previous dicussion we had on this recently and to read the many other discussions on the internet on this topic before replying to this message. It is very easy to hit Reply to All and not bother to trim unneeded email addressess, I do this sometimes myself so I will not grumble when others do it but if asked I try and be more careful not to do it. Good email programs include the option to "reply to list" and have a single button or keystroke to respond only to the list. I do not think anyone has ever disagreed with the idea that more Mail programs should include this feature. Please try not to repond to this message unless you have read the previous discussion I liked to above and you are sure you comment is absolutely necessary. Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] One-window user interface
On Sat, 25 Jun 2005, Sebastien Arbogast wrote: > Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 10:08:56 -0500 > From: Sebastien Arbogast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: [Gimp-user] One-window user interface > > Hi, > > I've been using Photoshop until now but I'd like to discover the > possibilities of the Gimp. > So is there a way to gather all of that in one single main frame or not? If you are using Microsoft Windows you may find the DeWeirdifyer useful. http://registry.gimp.org/plugin?id=3892 If you are using a Unix like operating system then you might consider using a seperate Workspace, or using an Xnest windows or something else entirely. Hmm I suppose I should probably add this to the FAQ: http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/UserFaq Later Alan H. Inkscape http://inkscape.org ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] drawing a simple rectangle
On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 15:36:18 +0930 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: [Gimp-user] drawing a simple rectangle > > Hi, > > I'm new to this list. > I'll start off by saying that I've used adobe and macromedia products > extensively. Ah, exploring alternatives before Adobe kills them off entirely. > I'm trying to draw a flowchart in Gimp. There are other more appropriate tools for this but if you are determined to use the GIMP I'll try and suggest some ways you might do it. If you want to draw Flowcharts Dia is probably the best choice. http://gnome.org/projects/dia/ You might also be interested to try Inkscape which is a mulitpurpose vector graphics editor. http://inkscape.org You could say Inkscape is closer to Macromedia Freehand and the GNU Image Manipulation program is closer to Macromedia Fireworks although that is a terrible generalisation and although they are intended for similar purposes both do things quite differently from what you might be used to with Macromedia products. (If you like KDE then Kivio might be worth looking at. Kivio is the KDE answer to Microsoft Visio and part of their koffice suite. OpenOffice.org Draw might also be worth trying.) For drawing a Flowchart I would certainly recommend you try using a different application but I hope you will find other reasons to use the GNU Image Manipulation Program. > The first problem I have is that there is no rectangle 'draw' tool. Me too when I first started. The standard workaround is to create a selection and then choose "Edit, Stroke" to colour it in. There is some interest in adding standard drawing tools but it is not a top priority. (There should be a bug report tracking this issue but I spent a few minutes and didn't manage to find the appropriate report.) > So I used the selection tool, then set the line to solid, however in order to > move the rectangle I have to select the area around it and move that. That > can't > be the way :-( Also Gfig is another vector graphics tool built into the gimp and can be found under "Filters, Render, Gfig" It might be worth your while to explore the Path Tools (it looks like a Pen nib pointing upwards). > Secondly I'd like to create a rectangle and put text in there and group the > two > objects or layers. > Is there a way to do this? Grouping of objects and Layers is more something you should expect in a vector graphics application. I expect you will find either Dia or Inkscape more suitable choices. > I'm pretty sure these are basic questions and I tried searching the archives, > however the search tool didn't work, Rather than using the onsite tools I will often use a search engine. > your help would be welcome :-) Hoped that helps. Thanks for giving something else a try instead of Macromedia. Sincerely Alan Horkan Inkscape http://inkscape.org Abiword http://www.abisource.com Dia http://gnome.org/projects/dia/ Open Clip Art http://OpenClipArt.org Alan's Diary http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimpshop
On Thu, 2 Mar 2006, Ross Brown wrote: > Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 02:45:28 + > From: Ross Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: GIMPUser > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Gimpshop > > Sorry for jumping in half-way through a conversation that I haven't > been entirely privy to - but I just wanted to make a suggestion/point > that is (I hope) relevant. relevancy never stopped anyone on the internet > > Perhaps all that's really needed is the PS menu->GIMP menu mapping > > document in a proposal as a cheat sheet. > > When Adobe launched InDesign, it was taking on a dominant market > leader in Quark XPress. People like me who had used XPress for years > were used to a certain way of working and innately knew a load of > keyboard shortcuts etc for doing our jobs. What Adobe did was > inspired: yes, you could, out of the box, use InDesign as Adobe > intended or, with the flick of a preference button, InDesign was set- > up to recognise and use the XPress shortcuts that people were used to. psmenurc is a file which contains Photoshop style keyboards shortcuts, and if you use it to replace the standard menurc you get something similar to what you suggest, although but not the easy at the ~flick of switch part~. - Alan H. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] ECW file support.
On Fri, 17 Mar 2006, Sven Neumann wrote: > Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:19:29 +0100 > From: Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Luca Casagrande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] ECW file support. > > Hi, > > Luca Casagrande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Is there a way to enable ECW support in The Gimp? > > May I ask you to explain what ECW support is? >From what I can tell ECW (Enhanced Compression Wavelet) is a lossey wavelet compression scheme (either that or Extreme Championship Wrestling, I hate acronyms). Due to the high compression rates it seems to have gained some suppport in fields such as GIS (mapping) where images can be extremely large. I managed to find a similar questions in the list archives: http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/lists/gimp-developer/2001-May/014762.html There does seem to be a library for ECW support but a bit of searching suggests it may not be GPL compatible, but maybe proprietary plugins are possible with the GNU Image Manipulation Program? (Since photoshop filters are supported using PSPI I guess they must be possible but I imagine the gimp developers would not want to encourage more proprietary software.) Sincerely Alan Horkan Inkscape http://inkscape.org Abiword http://www.abisource.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] gui
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006, John R. Culleton wrote: > Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 08:57:21 -0500 > From: John R. Culleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] gui > > On Thursday 23 March 2006 13:50, Michael Schumacher wrote: > > Rhys Sage wrote: > > > Ok. So Ubuntu is recommended. How about a GUI? I can't > > > say I really care for either KDE or Gnome. I did see > > > one called Athene that looked pretty nice but I don't > > > know what it'd run on. > > > > Could it be that the person who's answering you is sending mails in > > private? From the point of view of the list, only the half of the > > conversation seems to be getting here. > > > > > > Michael > > GUIs are tools just like any other software. What they look like > should be subordinate to what they do. I find that sticking with > KDE is a safe bet. I use Slack and Patrick Volkerding has already > kicked Gnome off the island. > > If "look pretty nice" is a biggie with the other person I suggest > that here are plenty of themes for him to play with on either > KDE or Gnome. To be clear, he has chosen not to include Gnome because it is a lot of maintaince work, I believe it wasn't a case of kicking Gnome or anything like that. KDE is already the default in slackware and the Dropline team provide Gnome for Slackware so it wasn't unreasonable for him to simply let them be the ones who do Gnome for Slackware and save himself some work. -- Alan H. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Help with batch printing please?
On Sun, 16 Apr 2006, Simon Roberts wrote: > Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 11:22:44 -0700 (PDT) > From: Simon Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: [Gimp-user] Help with batch printing please? > > Hi All, > > I'd like to be able to have gimp print something from a command line, > so I can use it in a batch job. > > Well, to back up a little, I guess what I want is to be able to print > high quality graphics from a command-line but so far, the only thing I > have that I'm aware of that does this on my Epson R200 printer is the > GIMP. > > What I'm trying to do is create a script to do it, but the docs seem a > little thin (maybe I'm missing something). Anyway, I found something > about script-fu, and tried to work from that. What I have doesn't work, > and I don't seem to be able to find useful error messages (the console, > after it fails, doesn't say anything helpful). would still be worth including in your message ... > So, if anyone can suggest any or all of: 1) how do I debug this? 2) > where can I find more information on scripting and 3) maybe tell me > what is wrong with this, or what other command line utility I should > use, I'd be very grateful. possibly use ImageMagick instead, it is designed for batch processing but I'd expect this to be possible > Here's the non-working script: > (define (gimp-batch-print filename) >(let* ((image (car (gimp-file-load RUN-NONINTERACTIVE filename > filename))) For starters you would need to define a value for RUN-NONINTERACTIVE somewhere, set it as 0 1 depending on what you want. I found that really confusing and quite unclear when writeing my first scripts. I'd recommend hard coding everything and then cleanup the script once you have something which actually works (you probably do not really need to fill in any of those text strings for example). > (drawable (car (gimp-image-get-active-layer image > > > (file_print_gimp RUN-NONINTERACTIVE >image drawable "EpsonR200" "EpsonR200" raw 1 >"1440 x 720 DPI Highest Quality" >"Photo Quality Inkjet Paper"8 at the end of the line you have an extra 8, that doens't look right, I'd at least expect a space after the quoted string >"Standard" >100.0 100.0 -1 -1 -1 1.0 1.0 1.0 1.0 1.0 0 2 100.0 100.0 >"Six Color Photo" >"Adaptive Hybrid" >0) > > (gimp-image-delete image))) > > Which I put in my scripts directory and tried to run with: > gimp -b gimp-batch-print ~/color.gif I assume you have stepped through the process manulaly and have the necessary gif and printer support setup. Hope that helps -- Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] where is gimpguru.org?
On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Donncha O Caoimh wrote: > Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:31:15 +0100 > From: Donncha O Caoimh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: GIMPUser > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] where is gimpguru.org? > > You can try the Google cached versions of those pages. > Here's the tutorial page I found. The link may expire but search for > "gimpguru" to find the cached version again! > http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:oDpfBPThvJoJ:www.gimpguru.org/Tutorials/+gimpguru&hl=en&gl=ie&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a The google cache expires, I recommend the Wayback machine provided by the Web Archive http://web.archive.org/*/gimpguru.org -- Alan Horkan ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] centering layers(newbie)
On Fri, 19 May 2006, Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris wrote: > Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 01:24:30 -0300 > From: Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] centering layers(newbie) > > On Friday 19 May 2006 12:42 am, Akkana Peck wrote: > > John Minson writes: > > > Is there a bult in function to center layes ? > > > > There isn't exactly, but you can cheat: Cut, then Paste. When > > pasted, the layer shows up centered instead of where it was before. > > > > ...Akkana http://gimpbook.com > > ___ > > Gimp-user mailing list > > Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU > > https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user > > > Maybe one of the simplest possible scripts. I hope you have python-fu > enabled. Just move it to your plug-ins directory, and set it > executable then (no need to do that in windows).It shows up in the > python-fu dir. I wrote a Script-fu to do similar Align tasks http://www.netsoc.tcd.ie/~horkana/dev/gnome/gimp/script-fu/scripts/layer-align.scm Also Gimp 2.3 includes an align tool in the toolbox. -- Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] help for scripts
On Fri, 19 May 2006, Alex Feldman wrote: > Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 17:23:33 -0600 > From: Alex Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU > Subject: [Gimp-user] help for scripts > > This is probably a stupid question, but here goes... > > Is there some sort of organized to way to find out how a script works, > what it does, and how to use it? Mostly I just use a combination of Try the PDB Browser. You can find it in the toolbox menus. I'd love to see it moved into the same menus as the scripts though. -- Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp bundled with Computer Arts
On Tue, 23 May 2006, Paul Bloch wrote: > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 23:55:17 -0400 > From: Paul Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: GIMPUser > Subject: [Gimp-user] Gimp bundled with Computer Arts > > Hello, > So I don't know if everyone already knows this but I've seen Gimp bundled > with Computer Arts magazine's (computerarts.co.uk) CD a few times now. For > those of you who don't know Computer Arts is a very popular design magazine > with awesome tutorials. Has anybody heard back from them or designers that > have used the software? I'm willing to follow up and ask them about it. It > would be great to hear from a large base of pro designers about Gimp. "Pro designers" you mispelled "pro developers with patches or lots of sponsorship money" :P I'd be very surprised if readers of Computer Arts magazine had any new comments that haven't already been discussed on the mailing list or discussed. Did they include any kind of a review? Based on their past comments I'd expect lots of criticism for not being more like photoshop. Generally they do complain about programs for not copying or doing better than the market leaders. They probably also neglected to mention features like PSPI which allows Photoshop plugins to be used, and didn't mention the photoshop style keybindings which can be found in psmenurc. -- Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp bundled with Computer Arts
On Sun, 28 May 2006, Julian Oliver wrote: > ..on Wed, May 24, 2006 at 09:34:25PM +0100, Alan Horkan wrote: > > > > On Tue, 23 May 2006, Paul Bloch wrote: > > > > > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 23:55:17 -0400 > > > From: Paul Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: GIMPUser > > > Subject: [Gimp-user] Gimp bundled with Computer Arts > > > > > > Hello, > > > So I don't know if everyone already knows this but I've seen Gimp bundled > > > with Computer Arts magazine's (computerarts.co.uk) CD a few times now. > > > For > > > those of you who don't know Computer Arts is a very popular design > > > magazine > > > with awesome tutorials. Has anybody heard back from them or designers that > > > have used the software? I'm willing to follow up and ask them about it. > > > It > > > would be great to hear from a large base of pro designers about Gimp. > > > > "Pro designers" you mispelled "pro developers with patches or lots of > > sponsorship money" :P > > > > I'd be very surprised if readers of Computer Arts magazine had any new > > comments that haven't already been discussed on the mailing list or > > discussed. > > > > Did they include any kind of a review? Based on their past comments I'd > > expect lots of criticism for not being more like photoshop. Generally > > they do complain about programs for not copying or doing better than the > > market leaders. > > > > They probably also neglected to mention features like PSPI which allows > > Photoshop plugins to be used, and didn't mention the photoshop style > > keybindings which can be found in psmenurc. > > Along with valid criticisms, like that of Gimp's focus model under, > which (by default) continues to frustrate those that both have and > haven't had experience with Photoshop. You know, where clicking on your > maximised image instantly 'hides' the most critical component of > application functionality, the Tools panel itself. > I wouldn't be so hasty as to arrogantly flip-off criticisms from > Computer Arts magazine. If you are accusing me of being hasty or arrogant then you would be totally wrong. Read my comments more closely. Then read my comments over the past few years including regular suggestions things should more closely follow photoshop. Point is most things that can be said have been said already, and I doubt Computer Arts have anything much to add since they last reviewed Gimp 2.x between 12-18 months ago. It would be great if the original comment had included some detail of whatever review/criticsm the magazine provided. > If they are including the Gimp on their Magazine CD, then all the better > for us. Well yes and no. More developers is what is really needed. More users are unlikely to say much that hasn't been said already (although some of is worth repeating) and if they have comments and criticisms it would be helpful if they would comment on the mailing list and file bug reports or feature requests. > Furthermore their criticisms are important whether you like them or not. I largely agree with a lot of their criticisms and have been trying to pass on the sentiment on various occasions. Their failure to publicise features their readers would appreciate is only partly their fault, and for example I would very much like for it to be possible to select the psmenurc from within the preferences dialog and it would be great if PSPI could be included by default (but licensing issues might prevent that). > They have influence on the propogation of the Gimp amongst users > otherwise unaware of it's presence altogether, free software hundreds of > people have worked on. The importance of open standards was discussed in another thread, in in that case more users helps reinforce a standard. The other perceived benefit of more users is more contributors but that doesn't seem to have work out with the development team staying about the same size for many years (hopefully the summer of code students will stick around after they are finished their projects). -- Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Animation question
On Fri, 9 Jun 2006, Ivan Sanchez wrote: > Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:35:44 -0700 (PDT) > From: Ivan Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Gimp Questions > Subject: [Gimp-user] Animation question > > It's me. I was wondering is there a way to make the animation keep going > and going no matter what you click on your tool bar. Which toolbar? I am assuming you mean the toolbar in your Web Browser (Internet Explorer, Netscape, Mozilla, Opera, etc) > When I was watching an animation I did for my friend on a forum, I > clicked Stop on the tool bar and it stoped. Users need to be able to stop the animation if they want to. Some animations can be extremely annoying (advertising), difficult to read or even worse cause epileptic seizures. You can choose to have an animation run once, more than once or continuously but users can still choose to stop the animation (or close the page and look at something else instead). > animation, it stoped. Is there a way that you can make it go and go no > matter what? At most you can choose continuous loop but users can stop the animation, anything else could all too easily be abused. Any good web browser puts the users in control allowing them to view pages as they see fit. -- Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] save image to jpeg format in batch mode
On Sun, 18 Jun 2006, B.W.H. van Beest wrote: > Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 08:18:25 +0200 > From: B.W.H. van Beest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU > Subject: [Gimp-user] save image to jpeg format in batch mode > > Hi, > > I would like to create a jpg image from a gimp xsf-file, but in batch (I assume you meant to type XCF) > mode. (for instance, to have it as a rule in a Makefile) > I have been struggling with this for quite some time, but all attempt > have failed. Browsing the web did not yield workabale references or > examples. It seems that info on script-fu all is outdated? You might want to consider Davids batch processor http://members.ozemail.com.au/~hodsond/dbp.html Using ImageMagick might also be worth considering. -- Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] crop menu
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006, Sven Neumann wrote: > Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:15:32 +0200 > From: Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Adrian Speich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] crop menu > > Hi, > > On Sun, 2006-06-18 at 18:34 +0100, Adrian Speich wrote: > > > My crop button in in the image menu is disabled (greyed out), I have > > tried to crop loads of different files (jpg, bmp, gif), made sure I have > > write permissions on them all, and same thing. Were you expecting the menu item to show a Crop dialog? (The presence of three dots, also known as ellipses usually indicate if a dialog requiring further input will appear.) > Crop in the menus is a shortcut for cropping to the bounding box of the > current selection. So it is grayed out if there is no selection. Either > use the selection tools to select an area to crop, or use the Crop tool > for cropping. Bruce Tognazzi calls this "Grey Doubt". It is very hard to figure out how to reenable menu items which are disabled like this. I'm not sure if GTK has yet made it possible to provide tooltips or status bar messages for disabled menu items but other toolkits do which help alleviate the problem. The alternative is to present things in another way and avoid disabling menu items but there isn't any obviously better alternative in this situation. Sincerely Alan Horkan Inkscape http://inkscape.org Abiword http://www.abisource.com Open Clip Art http://OpenClipArt.org Alan's Diary http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] save image to jpeg format in batch mode
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006, B.W.H. van Beest wrote: > Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:06:08 +0200 > From: B.W.H. van Beest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] save image to jpeg format in batch mode > > Hi, > > The link you sent seems to be non-existent anymore. However, your The link works for me. You can always try the Google Cache or the web archive if a link doesn't work for you: http://web.archive.org/*/members.ozemail.com.au/~hodsond/dbp.html > suggestion of ImageMagick was perfect. I never realised that ImageMagick > supportted .xcf files. Other programs are discouraged from supporting XCF and it isn't a fully documented standard or anything so they do well considerin but you should check your files and make sure they results are correct. Sincerely Alan Horkan Inkscape http://inkscape.org Abiword http://www.abisource.com Open Clip Art http://OpenClipArt.org Alan's Diary http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] crop menu
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006, Sven Neumann wrote: > Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:56:25 +0200 > From: Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] crop menu > > Hi, > > On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 00:26 +0100, Alan Horkan wrote: > > > I'm not sure if GTK has yet made it possible to provide tooltips or status > > bar messages for disabled menu items but other toolkits do which help > > alleviate the problem. The alternative is to present things in another > > way and avoid disabling menu items but there isn't any obviously better > > alternative in this situation. > > GTK+ doesn't allow to set tooltips or statusbar messages for insensitive > menu items. That is what I thought. I had a fair idea but wasnt totally sure was GTK was the problem but I was hoping it might have been improved by now so I didn't want to say for sure it wasn't possible. -- Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Website idea and comments on Gimp vrs photoshop
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006, Joey Marshall wrote: > Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:39:57 -0400 > From: Joey Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: [Gimp-user] Website idea and comments on Gimp vrs photoshop > > I don't know if this would be better going to a different list... so > sorry if this is going to the wrong place! > And the "Gimp vrs photoshop" means that I will be comparing two of the > features of the two... not to argue one better than the other. It doesn't have to be *versus*, both can be useful for different things. > I was reading on a forum where this guy was posting that his son is an > all out photoshop user, and would often challenge him to do something > in gimp that he did in photoshop. Depends on what you ask and how well you know your software. It all comes down to changing the colour of pixels and I've seen some amazing work created using only mspaint. Different software might allow you to get more work done faster > There are two main differences that stood out to me. > > The first is the amount of affects and tools available. Adobe have provided limited support to third party developers over the years allowing them to create PSD files and third party plugins. Using the PSPI plugin* by Tor Lillqvist you will be able to use some of these plugins with the GNU Image Manipulation program if you want. > The second is the way the filters are applied. I like how photoshop > does it better. Instead of applying to the image itself... it acts > more like a filter. You apply it to the layer. There is a request for these kinds of live layer filters in bugzilla. (Photoshop has normal filters too.) > Now for my suggestion on the website. I think it would be very helpful > for have a section that would be like a cross between an FAQ and a > help desk. It might be appropriate to use the Wiki for that kind of information but it depends what you have in mind and the developers want. > Basically, people could post their questions on how to get a desired > effect on an image. People use the lists for this kind of thing, also places like Deviant Art and the GUG http://gug.sunsite.dk/ -- Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Lines and arrowheads in GIMP?
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006, Brad Simmons wrote: > Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:14:45 -0500 > From: Brad Simmons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Gimp-user] Lines and arrowheads in GIMP? > > Hello fellow GIMP users, [...] > Draw a thin, straight line with an arrow on the end. You may want to try Inkscape http://inkscape.org which does have support for vector lines (not pixelated) with arrowheads on the end (also know as markers). Within the GNU Image Manipulation Program you can also try Filters, Render, Gfig which might be of use. There may also be other ways I haven't thought of (path tools?). -- Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] png and layers
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:33:23 +0200 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU > Subject: [Gimp-user] png and layers > > Hello all, > > I like to save layer information of a manually created logo. Unfortunately > GIMP tells me that it can not save the layers as png file. > Is png not capable to save this infromation or do I some thing wrong? > Anyway which format can I use to save the layer information? PNG does not support layers. MNG is intended for multilayer or animated PNG files. (Just in case you thought otherwise Macromedia Fireworks did create their own private version of PNG which included layers but it is secret and not actually a part of standard PNG files.) Layered file formats you could use include XCF and PSD (and in theory you could even use TIFF, GIF, and MNG but better not to use those unless you have a specific reason to). -- Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-user Digest, Vol 46, Issue 20
On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:28:05 EDT > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU > Subject: [Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-user Digest, Vol 46, Issue 20 > > STOP SENDING ME CRAP AND STUPIED LETTERS > > Sincerely > Katherine Heedbombcis You may be receiving virus or junk email claiming to be from this mailing list (the GNU Image Manipluation user mailing list) when in fact it was not sent from this list. Perhaps you somehow accidentally subscribed to this mailing list and no longer want to receive messages. You have the power to remove yourself form the list by sending a message including the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (please note carefully that is a different address from the list address as it includes -request) -- Alan H. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] I wish this was a better ad
On Thu, 3 Aug 2006, Selso DaSilva wrote: > Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:29:42 -0400 > From: Selso DaSilva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: [Gimp-user] I wish this was a better ad > > This is what I find frustrating the most about people trying to > sell free software without giving it is proper due. So long as they provide the source code and follow the conditions of the GPL they have "given it its proper due". > http://www.thinkall.com/product_image_over8.htm > Well at least this site calls it the GIMP Since the name is unchanged and their version of gimp is apparently unmodified they are in fact providing free advertising and helping promote Free Software. They should be encouraged for their efforts. -- Alan H. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] I wish this was a better ad
On Thu, 3 Aug 2006, Michael Schumacher wrote: > Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:02:30 +0200 > From: Michael Schumacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: GIMP User > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] I wish this was a better ad > > Alan Horkan wrote: > > > They should be encouraged for their efforts. > > Google for "Manay Software", have a closer look at the first few > results, then check this company's Terms Uf Use. It does seem to just barely fall within the bounds of charging a "modest" fee for shipping and handling, but looking at the details that does seem rather sleazy. The true answer may be to help promote projects like theOpenCd or Ubuntu which come much closer to providing a genuinely free CD. -- Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] how to preserve semi-transparency when converting to indexed
On Fri, 4 Aug 2006, Matthias Julius wrote: > Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:51:31 -0400 > From: Matthias Julius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: j_mach_wust j_mach_wust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] how to preserve semi-transparency when > converting to indexed > > j_mach_wust j_mach_wust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > When I created png images of black text on transparent background, I > > used to convert them to indexed so their size would be reduced. > > How much does this reduce the file size? I cannot say specifically how much converting to indexed will save you but when using PNG files it means you will end up with an 8bit PNG instead of a 24bit PNG which is where most of the savings seem to come from. -- Alan H ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] rounded corners on jpg image.
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:42:23 -0700 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] rounded corners on jpg image. > > Quoting "John R. Culleton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > have a jpg image that is in rectangular form. I would like to > > round the corners off symmetrically to soften the shape a bit. > > Which is the quickest way to to this? > > The quickest way is to: > > * Select all By the way, a "Select All" is not required. When I rewrote the script it was a reasonably safe assumption that if a user tried to run the script without having first selected something the script should run on the whole image so I added it. There may be other scripts or plugins which could take the "do something" approach, feel free to suggest. -- Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] rounded corners on jpg image.
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, John R. Culleton wrote: > Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:41:25 -0400 > From: John R. Culleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Cc: Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] rounded corners on jpg image. > > On Tuesday 15 August 2006 16:18, Alan Horkan wrote: > > On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:42:23 -0700 > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > To: gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU > > > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] rounded corners on jpg image. > > > > > > Quoting "John R. Culleton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > have a jpg image that is in rectangular form. I would like to > > > > round the corners off symmetrically to soften the shape a bit. > > > > Which is the quickest way to to this? > > > > > > The quickest way is to: > > > > > > * Select all > > > > By the way, a "Select All" is not required. When I rewrote the script it > > was a reasonably safe assumption that if a user tried to run the script > > without having first selected something the script should run on the whole > > image so I added it. There may be other scripts or plugins which could > > take the "do something" approach, feel free to suggest. > > I must have missed a post somehow. what is the message you are > quoting from? I'm quoting from the response to your question which suggested "Select All" then use the "Rounded rectangle" script etc. http://www.mail-archive.com/gimp-user%40lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/msg10865.html Dont know how you missed it. Overzealous spam filters? -- Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Picture File Association
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006, Brendan wrote: > Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:59:55 -0400 > From: Brendan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Picture File Association > > On Thursday 17 August 2006 08:58, Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris wrote: > > On Thursday 17 August 2006 08:15 am, vt wrote: > > > 2006 m. rugpj??tis 17 d., ketvirtadienis 10:12, Famous Actor ra: > > > > I'm a first time Gimp user. During installation, I accidentally > > > > associated all possible picture files as Gimp files. Now on my > > > > hard drive, the picture files are no longer "gifs" or "jpegs" or > > > > "bitmaps", they are all "gimps". Does anyone know how to reverse > > > > the association? I want to use The Gimp, but I also want to know > > > > what files are gifs and jpegs. > > > > > > For answer we should at least know what is your operating system. more than 90 % of the time if they do not know then they are using Windows, most likely windows XP. depending on your mail program and their mail program you can often rummage through the headers and find out but I've deleted the original message so i cannot be sure it would have worked in this case. > > His "operating system" if it may be called so, is clearly enough > > windows. It is the only "thing" that first says it is not important > > to know the files extensions, then hide the proper parts of the > > filenames, and later wants people to know an image file type from > > another just by the icons. > > > > Famous Actor: > > You can associate the files back each to its own app, though I would > > not remember the way to do it under windos. But you can also set > > Ugh, this will take forever. If he can stand using something else, just go > into Microsoft Picture viewer or install irfanview and let it take over all > the picture assocs. Most programs are very aggressive about taking file associations, Microsoft programs are the worst of all screaming out to be set as the default. No matter what you do or how clearly you ask users will complain if the installer changes any file associations, just like how users will complain and ask to be unsubscribed from a list when it is what they deliberately signed up for. For peace and quiet it would be safest to only associate with .xcf files and leave the rest alone but it does feel like a bit of a cop out not to grab all the formats like everyone else. The fact is the gimp starts comparitivly slowly and is definately not an image viewer or browser so it doesn't make the best default for many file types such as Jpeg which users are more likely to want to view than edit. The installer has been improved for 2.3.x, no more popups for file associations, instead there is a checklist so I would expect after 2.4 we would be asked this kind of question even less often. Things are not so bad anymore when it comes to changing file assocations. In Windows XP you can right click a file to get the "Open With" option and in the submenu there is another option "Choose Program..." where you can choose the program you want and set it as the new default. If you are not using Windows XP I would simply advise you to lookup a reference on how to change file associations for whatever version you do have. -- Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] rawphoto plugin not listed
On Fri, 18 Aug 2006, Gracia M. Littauer wrote: > Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 19:37:40 -0400 > From: Gracia M. Littauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] rawphoto plugin not listed > > > Anyone else had this problem? > > I'm answering myself since I seem to be talking to myself. ;^).. Be patient. If people have no answers they may not say anything at all. > doesn't anyone use suse linux gimp to read & correct raw photo files?? I am not familiar with SuSe, you might be better to contact them directly. > I finally got the rawphoto plugin to open, BUT it isn't the same as > before my SuSE upgrade to 10.1...it now has almost no controls & looks > like a child's version of what used to be a fairly decent raw > converter...not Bibble, Most people will not have any idea what you are talking about when you say Bibble. You should explain what you mean and preferably provide reference links. Be specific. if there is a feature you feel you need then say so. Comments you made might not be taken as encouragement by those you would need to convince to get things changed. Keep in mind that not everyone here has English as their first language so perhaps your comments seem harsher than actually intended. > but faster to use & decent controls. What controls there are now don't > do much. I can't believe this is what is surposed to be there -- Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Layers tree-view (or grouping layers)
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006, mfi3 wrote: [... Layer Groups ...] > Is there such possibility in gimp ? It would be very useful. Not at the moment. There is a request in Bugzilla for Layer Groups http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86337 -- Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Build Gimp 3.x
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006, Ben Conley wrote: > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:04:53 -0500 > From: Ben Conley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU > Subject: [Gimp-user] Build Gimp 3.x > > I am trying to build the latest development version of Gimp, but can't > figure out how to build it. I am using WinXP, I have Visual Studio 2005, > and know absolutely nothing about C (I'm a python guy). Please help! Obligatory question, you've seen the precompiled binaries right? The are somewhat hidden to make sure beginners do not accidentally shoot themselves in the foot with unstable builds but if you are interested in heping out with testing or just using the latest unstable version it has been generously provided thanks to Jernej Simoncic (and before him Tor Lillqvist). http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gimp-win/gimp-2.3.9-setup.zip?download -- Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] FYI Users problem with Gimp on XWindows.
XWindows is something entirely different from Windows XP. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System It is an error which makes it much more difficult to take the rest of the message seriously. However it has long been clear that it causes problems for many users to have seperate downloads for GIMP and GTK when nearly all other programs provide one single installer with all the necessary components. It might be a good idea for the downloads page to prominently recommend the all in one bundle provided by PortableApps.com Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Java api
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006, [iso-8859-15] Magnus Hellström wrote: > Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 11:51:47 +0200 (CEST) > From: "[iso-8859-15] Magnus Hellström" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU > Subject: [Gimp-user] Java api > > Hello, > I'm using GIMP in batch mode to run script-fu scripts from java code. What problems are you trying to solve? Putting aside the programming languages we may be able to suggest something very similiar to what you are looking for which would require little or no programming. Other tools like DBP might be of some use to you http://members.ozemail.com.au/~hodsond/dbp.html -- Alan H. Inkscape http://inkscape.org ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Scrip-fu documentation
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, Nicolas wrote: > Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:45:30 +0200 > From: Nicolas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: ML-Gimp-user > Subject: [Gimp-user] Scrip-fu documentation > > Hello, > > Is there somewhere some documentation about script-fu? I mean, for the > moment, all I found was 3 very small tutorials, some scheme > documentation, and the gimp functions in the console window. If you could show which links you have already seen it would help increase the chances of us suggesting something new. > I really find it difficult to learn script-fu because there's not much > documentation. For example, I need to understand what are the parameters > to use with SF-ADJUSTMENT. I also need to understand why I can't use the > variables I fill in when calling my script... :-/ test-sphere.scm is intended as an example script and includes a lot of comments in the source explaining things like the parameters to use with SF-ADJUSTMENT. You might also want to mention what task you are trying to achieve as their may be easier ways to get what you want or the suggestion might be so interesting that someone else might want to implement it for you. Sincerely Alan Horkan http://alanhorkan.livejournal.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Roland Hordos wrote: > Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 06:54:48 -0600 > From: Roland Hordos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU" > Subject: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name > > Hi, > > While all other credible opensource projects are gaining ground in a > professional IT setting, the GIMP is being held back because of the > instant derogatory impact of the name. If someone who can champion this > task reads this, please humble yourself for the sake of this amazing > software that some of us are embarrassed to promote, or simply won't > until the name is changed. I agree (and have always agreed but continued to use the software nonetheless) however the changing of the name presents some difficulties. When this was brought up on previous occasions the developers did agree to try and emphasize the full title of the GNU Image Manipulation Program (GIMP) in future. The GNU General Public License (GPL) makes it entirely possible for distributions to make their own changes and many often do but so far most have resisted changing the name, probably due to the extra effort of maintaining such a change but if you suggest it to your preferred distribution you never know they might go ahead and do it. On the techincal side Sven Neumann has explained he does not wish to see the project renamed and will not accept patches to make it easier for third parties to change the name. http://www.advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/diary.html?start=144#gimp Perhaps his opinion has changed but at the time he wrote: "I seriously doubt that the name is effectively keeping GIMP from being used. And I am all happy to ignore the very few people who are so narrow-minded as to having a problem with the name." http://www.mail-archive.com/gimp-developer%40lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/msg08677.html Sincerely Alan Horkan Inkscape http://inkscape.org Abiword http://www.abisource.com Open Clip Art http://OpenClipArt.org Alan's Diary http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
RE: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, yves wrote: > Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:38:23 -0700 > From: yves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: 'Alan Horkan' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name > > Can somebody explain what is 'wrong' with that name? > Yves "lameness: disability of walking due to crippling of the legs or feet" http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Agimp This is the commonly understood meaning of the word for most English speakers and it is considered derogatory, like calling someone a cripple. Another less commonly used meaning - but well known from the film Pulp Fiction (1994) - can be found here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimp_(sadomasochism) The developers are very familiar with this meaning as it is referenced in the following bug report they insist on leaving open "Fun - GIMP becomes enraged upon donning of leather mask" http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10686 GIMP was started in 1995. There are other meanings such as a type of knot or braid but I was unfamiliar with those meanings until people tried to defend the name. -- Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
RE: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006, Sven Neumann wrote: > Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 00:32:04 +0200 > From: Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Roland Hordos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU" > Subject: RE: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name > > Hi, > > On Fri, 2006-09-29 at 12:38 -0600, Roland Hordos wrote: > > > "While all other credible opensource projects are gaining ground in a > > professional IT setting, the GIMP is being held back in the English > > speaking world because of the instant derogatory impact of the name. > > Gimp is a term in common culture that refers to a disabled person in a > > demeaning way." > > Sigh. All major commercial Linux distributors in the English speaking > world include the GNU Image Manipulation Program. Most of them even > print the acronym on the box or mention it prominently in the product > description. That doesn't necessarily mean they would not prefer another name or find it easier to promote. The most appropriate people to ask would be an accessibility group including native English speakers. > If you have a look at the IT section of any major book store, you will > find books about GIMP. I think you are by far overestimating the > derogatory impact. Maybe but we should all understand there is a derogatory impact and it does offend some amount of people and does make some people uncomfortable promoting the software because this issue comes up every so often. Now maybe it is impractical to do much about it but Sven previously made it very clear he very much wants to keep the name and does not want to encourage anyone to change it either. I don't think anyone would fork a program over just the name but at the moment that seems to be the only option available to people who dislike the name. Sincerely Alan Horkan Inkscape http://inkscape.org Open Clip Art http://OpenClipArt.org ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006, [ISO-8859-1] Raphaël Quinet wrote: > On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:00:25 -0500, Eric P <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Personally, I think the name should change not because I find GIMP > > derogatory but because I think a name that somewhat identified (even > > vaguely) what sphere the software is used it would be a boon.> > > Inkscape is an excellent name in my opinion. It is somewhat > > ambiguous, but you definitely know that software named Inkscape must > > have something to do with the artistic sphere. That's all you really > > need. > > I agree. Among the various arguments about changing GIMP's name, this > is probably the only one that makes a bit of sense. > This is not a problem for those who know that "GIMP" actually stands for > "GNU Image Manipulation Program" but those who do not know GIMP yet will > probably not know the expansion of the acronym either. This is why it is so important for things like the release notes and other promotional material to talk about the GNU Image Manipulation Program (GIMP) making sure to first explain the name before using the acronym. > Besides, the acronym is rarely expanded in casual talks and most users > see only "GIMP" in the splash screen and in the window titles so they > may not even know what this stands for. [...] > If you find a name that meets all these criteria and would probably be > immediately adopted by a marketing team if GIMP were a commercial > product, then keep in mind that you would still have 90% chance to > have the name rejected because some developers simply do not want to > change the name. With that in mind, I wish you good luck... I wanted to side step the issue of picking a better or different name, since it is impossible to please everyone and the original gimp is unlikely to change. Instead I had hoped to tackle the issue of providing infrastructure to make it possible. That would also mean there would be no excuse for further discussion until someone provided the necessary patches and infrastructure to make the name cleanly reconfigurable, something I would think you might want to encourage. Sincerely Alan Horkan Inkscape http://inkscape.org Abiword http://www.abisource.com Open Clip Art http://OpenClipArt.org Alan's Diary http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006, Marc Lehmann wrote: > Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 20:07:13 +0200 > From: Marc Lehmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name > > On Sat, Sep 30, 2006 at 05:06:44PM +0100, Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Maybe but we should all understand there is a derogatory impact > > Is there? Yes. You trimmed the bit of Sven's message where he agreed there was an impact but he disagreed as to the size and importance of that derogatory impact. At the very least you have both me and the recent submitter saying there is a derogatory impact, that is all it takes. If you want more examples look at the mailing list archives you should find a few more occassions when this issue was raised and - unreliable thought it may be - you will also find many complaints about the name in places like slashdot and many others. You cannot deny there is an impact but it is not unreasonable to ask how important that impact may or may not be. As I said before offering to accept patches which made it possible to rebrand the gimp in a clean maintainable way without the need to fork could bring this dicussion to screeching halt until someone shows some code. Isn't that the Free Software way? Look how Ubuntu has different versions which all work together promoting Ubuntu without suggesting those who have different needs should fork the project. -- Alan H. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Chris Mohler wrote: > Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 23:36:37 -0500 > From: Chris Mohler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name [...] > I do not believe that GIMP should be renamed. Anyone who takes > offense should simply grow up a little. In your example the group did rename themselves, but yet you are using it as an example against renaming? > Renaming things in 'decent' or 'sanitary' ways is foolish at best. I have pointed out that the current situation amounts to telling those with different opinions to "Fork off" but this seems suboptimal. Both Gimpshop and Cinepaint two projects with different ideas have been criticised for forking instead of cooperating. I am suggesting that although it is great that forking is possible it is not desirable. Very often forking is a big waste of everyones time and resources when they could instead be helping improve one shared codebase all can benefit from. It might just maybe be better if there was one less reason for people to fork. -- Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name
On Sun, 1 Oct 2006, Marc Lehmann wrote: > On Sun, Oct 01, 2006 at 02:39:46AM +0100, Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Is there? > > > > Yes. > > I didn't see any evidence for that yet. You have not disproved it exists, you just choose not to see it. It is not surprising non-native English speakers have a different understanding of the word gimp. > > At the very least you have both me and the recent submitter saying there > > is a derogatory impact, that is all it takes. > > Certainly not. An "impact" certainly requires more than two people whining > a bit :) Now you are just being rude and dismissive, a smiley face doesn't make it any less so. I provided links to the last time this was discussed and there was a bug report filed then too http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160890 You are arguing that a small impact is no impact at all. > You will find amny complains about many other aspects of gimp. That does not > mean there is an actual problem. No one claimed there are not other bigger problems. It might even be a good sign that name is the biggest complaint some users have. > > As I said before offering to accept patches which made it possible to > > rebrand the gimp in a clean maintainable way without the need to fork > > could bring this dicussion to screeching halt until someone shows some > > code. > > Dropping this topic would also bring this to a screeching halt. Depends on > your... > > > Isn't that the Free Software way? by which I mean to accept patches which allow things to be changed in a maintainable way rather than actively encouraging people to fork your project (maybe that isn't the way, maybe the Free software way is to insist on big wasteful forks like the Emacs XEmacs split or the GGC EGCS!) > The free software idea is not to accept just any patch. Crudely performing a find and replace to change the name to something else would be "just any patch" but abstracting out the name cleanly so GIMP could still be GIMP and also be something else too (perhaps depending on a configure option) would not be "just any patch". it should be possible to change the name in a way that doesn't create as much of a maintaince burden as forking. Abstracting out the APPNAME is a concept built into Docbook. Look at this message where tml bemoans the effort wasted on forks such as Seashore http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.video.gimp.devel/8875 > give users of the software the ability to change it, which is exactly > whats being done here. > > If "free softare" meant to accept any patch regardless of how silly, > broken or useless it is (while increasing the maintainance burden) most the suggestion is to allow patching to avoid the maintaince burden and wasted effort of a fork. > projects would be in rather bad state. No, free software means you can > change it, it doesn't mean that everybody else is your servant and has to > follow your orders. > > Besides, there is no patch, AFAIK. Sven said no patch would be accepted even if it existed so there is no reason for anyone to start one. The only option seems to be to fork. > Red herring. If you want to create another version of gimp under a > different name, you are certainly allowed to do so, as has been said a > number of times. > Wether you call it a fork or Kimp does not make any difference. > Please note you can take the sources and change the name without > creating a fork in the common sense, Whether or not you call a set of unnofficial changes a fork or not there were plenty of complaints when the GIMPshop developer created his experiment. https://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/lists/gimp-user/2006-February/007530.html > just as what you could do with diferent versions of Ubuntu. Canonical dont let just anyone use the Ubuntu name, but they managed to get others with different ideas to help promote Ubuntu rather than push them away. Sincerely Alan Horkan Inkscape http://inkscape.org Open Clip Art http://OpenClipArt.org ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006, Carol Spears wrote: > Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:28:44 -0700 > From: Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > GIMPUser > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name > > On Sun, Oct 01, 2006 at 02:39:46AM +0100, Alan Horkan wrote: > > > > As I said before offering to accept patches which made it possible to > > rebrand the gimp in a clean maintainable way without the need to fork > > could bring this dicussion to screeching halt until someone shows some > > code. Isn't that the Free Software way? Look how Ubuntu has different > > versions which all work together promoting Ubuntu without suggesting those > > who have different needs should fork the project. There were people who wanted to use Ubuntu to target different audiences so without changing what they were the found a way to cooperate and make Kubuntu and Edubuntu happen. Different ideas but still part of Ubuntu. > can you expand on this please? See above, if you need more you will need to explain more clearly. I wasn't sure your question was necessarily directed at me. I am only responding because I do not want to ignore you but your message is very confusing. > three different names for Ubuntu or what? I'm not sure what you mean, could you please rephrase your question. > please also explain the reason that you target GIMP and not some of the > other perhaps better funded names of products that are as or more > offensive than this one here? This question does not make sense to me. I did not target the gimp, I did not even start this discussion. All I am really asking is for developers to consider the possibility of making it easier to rebrand custom versions of the gimp for different audiences. Is there not something a little bit more that can be done for those who have issue with the name? > thanks for your continued effort to do this important thing... ??? -- Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name
On Sun, 1 Oct 2006, Geoffrey wrote: > > Not really a "product" per se, but I'd say you nailed it. > > > > Personally, I would never be caught dead in a Hooters. Your example > > leads me to believe you'd equate the quality of GIMP users with the > > quality of Hooter's clientele. Maybe that wasn't your intention... > > (boy, this thread has gone nutty). > > No, it certainly was not. In my mind the comparison of GIMP to Hooters > is not valid. GIMP is not intended to be derogatory, but we all know > how Hooters gets it's name. > > I'm a GIMP user as well, thus I don't equate myself with the scum you'll > find frequenting Hooters. :) Do you have a problem with owls? The name is perfectly acceptable! -- Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Press pack requests
On Mon, 8 Mar 2004, Dave Neary wrote: > Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 13:31:53 +0100 > From: Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Gimp Developer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > GIMPUser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Gimp-user] Press pack requests > > > Hi all, > > The 2.0 release is getting closer, and there are still some thing missing from > the press pack we want to send out. > > - Could native english speakers who have a few minutes please look at the > "What's new in GIMP 2.0" page (http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/WhatsNew) and correct > any grammar problems? The document starts with a TODO note that hopefully will be removed User Interface section of the document http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/WhatsNew#head-d2a749c5087fa0d474be006f8799a732aae0e9b5 (hrrm relative link doesn't seem to work). "Be careful, though, not to use existing keyboard accelerator sequences. [OR WHAT WILL HAPPEN?]" What will happen is that you will get the new keybinding you have requested and the old one will quietly and without warning be removed and no longer have that keybinding. (the next sentence 'probably' needs to be changed and as it mentions replacing the menurc it would be much more helpful if it clearly stated what exactly you replace it with and how, that is you can replace it by removing menurc and renaming ps-menurc to menurc) The section 'Other Improvements' has an item [WHAT OTHER IMPORTANT THINGS] that should be removed. Perhaps replace it with a link to the full changelog? I cannot see any grammatical errors but that doesn't mean there aren't any all that is really needed is a little editorial cleanup. However as a user I'm fascinated by part of the closing statement "Gimp can already do many things that are difficult or impossible with Photoshop" and I would love if the author or anyone else could elaborate on this. It would make a very good pulicity piece to accompany the release notes. > - high-res screenshots of The GIMP showing new features are welcome. Examples of > the kind of screenshots which are interesting are here: > http://jimmac.musichall.cz/stuff/private/gimp-2/html/index.xhtml > http://developer.gimp.org/screenshots.html weird. mozilla (at the top of the browser tab) says the following screenshot is PNG http://developer.gimp.org/screenshots/gimp-text.jpeg - Alan H ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Press pack requests
On Mon, 8 Mar 2004, raymond ostertag wrote: > Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 18:49:03 +0100 > From: raymond ostertag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Press pack requests > > Le lun 08/03/2004 à 17:38, Dave Neary a écrit : > > > > However as a user I'm fascinated by part of the closing statement > > > "Gimp can already do many things that are difficult or impossible with > > > Photoshop" and I would love if the author or anyone else could elaborate > > > on this. It would make a very good pulicity piece to accompany the > > > release notes. > > > > I'm not sure what Raymond had in mind. Raymond? Que dis-tu? > > > I did'nt write this. I often avoid to speak or compare Gimp to > Photoshop. The Chapter "11.Coming soon" is a new Chapter added by > someone on the Wiki. > > What I wrote is : > Historiquement Gimp 2.0 devait apporter la touche « professionnelle » > qui lui manque, à savoir le support natif du format CMJN et le 16 > bits/canal pour la vidéo. Il n'en sera rien, il y a déjà quelques années > le choix des développeurs de Gimp s'est porté sur un projet à moyen > terme de librairies graphiques de nouvelle génération, projet nommé > GEGL. Mais comme dans le monde du libre les projets n'avancent pas > forcément à l'allure souhaitée, les librairies GEGL ne seront finalement > intégrées qu'au cours de la vie de Gimp 2, pour la version 2.4. > --- translated by Eric in : > Initially, Gimp 2.0 would include the "professionnal" touch that the > previous releases are missing: native support for CMYK and 16 > bits/channel for video editing. This features will not appear now, as > Gimp developpers choose to work on a medium-term project; this project > is new generation graphical libraries called GEGL. But in free software, > projects have planning of their own, and GEGL will be included during > Gimp 2 stable cycle, maybe release 2.4. > > an it was in the introduction not at the end of the document. > > @+ > Raymond I was asked to edit the document, so I have. Raymond said he didn't write that section and no one else has said anything so I dont think it is appropriate to add things to the English translation that he didn't say. I couldn't quite figure out how to get Wiki to tell me who wrote it so for the time being I have deleted the contentious paragraph. I would be interested to know what features the GIMP has and what the GIMP can do that is _impossible_ to do with Photoshop. Obviously the GIMP if free and has source freely availalbe and I'm sure it isn't difficult to find plently of things the GIMP does differntly and better than Photoshop but I think making over the top claims is bad and disingenous marketing and the GIMP project is better than that. Again I would love to see a table of comparison, I just dislike bold assertions without any facts to back it up. - Alan PS I've included the deleted paragraph here in case anyone really feels the need to start another wiki page and make those comparisons: "What is not in the plans is for Gimp to turn into a clone of Photoshop. For one thing, the resources of a large corporation like Adobe far outmatch what any free software team, working for the joy of programming, can contribute. Furthermore, the GIMP developers would prefer to create a program that works the way they feel is best, and not simply mimic some other, flaws and all. But, on the other hand, Gimp can already do many things that are difficult or impossible with Photoshop, and given the very accessible plug-in architecture of Gimp 2, its capabilities are ultimately limited only by the collective imagination of the community of free software contributors." ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] 3D Images
On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Alf C Stockton wrote: > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 18:08:58 +0200 (SAST) > From: Alf C Stockton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Gimp-user] 3D Images > > > I have a flat image to which I wish to add a border to make it look 3d. > Please tell me how to do this. > I would like the border to be outside the actual image so that all of the > original image is still showing. You might try adding a bevel Script-fu, Decor, Bevel. but you did say you wanted it outside the image, so what you really want is probably Script-fu, Decor, Add Border. - Alan H. ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] RPms of Gimp 2.0
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004, Tom Cole wrote: > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 14:13:16 + > From: Tom Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Gimp-user] RPms of Gimp 2.0 > > Hi there, > > Currently using 1.2.5 but I really want to use the new GIMP. > > The only problem is that I tried compiling the source and got stuck in > dependency hell. Downloaded the installation document and used that to grab > other components but I have still had no joy. > > Does anyone know if any RPMs exist for Gimp 2.0 yet anywhere? I'm using > Mandrake 9.2 and possibly looking to upgrade to Mandrake 10 in the near > future, unless it stops me from having an RPM of Gimp 2.0. I'd be interested in Mandrake RPMs too. It might be of interest to you to know that this morning I tried to compile Gimp 2.0 rc1 on a fairly clean install of Mandrake 10.0 rc1 but it failed at the GTK tests and told me it needed GTK >= 2.2.2 I didn't have time to look into it further. I might be doing something wrong, it might simply mean GTK2 just isn't being detected correctly or it might just mean Mandrake 10 doesn't include a recent enough version of GTK with which to build the GIMP. - Alan H. ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: Reply-to (was: Re: [Gimp-user] Import brushes from photoshop)
On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Dave Neary wrote: > Subject: Reply-to (was: Re: [Gimp-user] Import brushes from photoshop) > >>it would have probably been better to reply to the list... > > Sorry but your reply-to field was wrong ... > > There are very mixed views on the usage of reply-to for mailing list > mail. Many people consider setting a reply-to impolite, since this can Reply to considered harmful: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html > result in personal mail being sent to a public list. On the other hand, > sending list mail to an individual is an easily correctible mistake. - Alan H. ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Environment settings & big images
On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote: > Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:54:59 -0300 > From: Joao S. O. Bueno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Environment settings & big images > > On Thursday 22 April 2004 16:42, David Neary wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Sven Neumann wrote: > > > > On PotatoShop (forced to used at gunpoint), there are no problems > > > > editing this image or other large images. > > > > > > Photoshop handles large images better than GIMP. That's a known fact > > > and it's not trivial to improve. > > > > How, exactly? I've heard this too, but I have no clear idea how > > they do so - do they have a similar caching system, and just make > > better decisions about what to cache and when? Or do they use OS > > specific features to reduce read times for caching operations? > > > > Or perhaps something completely different? > /me thinks that, not worrying about photoshop, one way to optmize is > to paint on the scaled down image in real time, and perform the real operation > on the full size image in the background. I believe this is called 'Image proxies' I did a quick search and found this description http://www.deneba.com/cvhelp/command/image_proxies.html Did lots more searching of the mailing list archives and if I'm reading this correctly proxies are already being used for things like thumbnails and previews. http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/lists/gimp-developer/2002-April/006814.html Dave CC'ed the developer mailing list so anyone who is interested should read the responses there too. http://www.mail-archive.com/gimp-developer%40lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/msg06802.html Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Trouble concatenating images.
On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, mbh wrote: > Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:30:10 +0200 > From: mbh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Gimp-user] Trouble concatenating images. > > I am new to Gimp and I am getting very confused trying to do something I am > sure is very simple. > > I have four seperate images of a map which has been scanned in four sections. > I now want to join the four images together in digital form to reproduce the > original map in its entirity. > > I am getting very lost in layers and not getting far. I have used one > image as the base layer and tried to expand the layer boundaries to > allow for the other 3 images, but somehow I just don;t seem to be able > to work out how I can paste the other 3 images into the resized > boundary. If you are going to be doing this more than once you should probably try this tool for creating Panoramic images in the Gimp: http://www.shallowsky.com/software/pandora/ This section of Grokking the Gimp might help too (but I should warn you I have not read it myself yet though) http://gimp-savvy.com/BOOK/node70.html - Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp on Slashdot
On Sun, 2 May 2004, Sven Neumann wrote: > Date: 02 May 2004 01:04:36 +0200 > From: Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Nonexistent Entity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Gimp Users <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp on Slashdot > > Hi, > > "Nonexistent Entity" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I read about it in "Grokking the GIMP" AFAIR. This works in GIMP > > 1.2.5 and 2.0.1 on Win32, but I think it should work on Linux > > too. It works only when you have an Image Window selected. > > It's also explained in the startup tips: > > If your screen is too cluttered, you can press Tab multiple > times in an image window to hide or show the toolbox and other dialogs. > > I strongly suggest reading the "Tips of the Day". There are a lot of > very important hints in there. Granted this works but lets face it until the Gimp provides the basic drawing tools that most users want people will continue to ask. I dont accept that Select+Stroke is adequate and neither will anyone that has used Microsoft Paint or Adobe Photoshop (which is almost everyone). Also Adobe Photoshop allows one to easily draw shapes (such as polygons) that are very difficult to draw using only select+Stroke. How many more of these articles must be written before the Gimp developers accept that simple drawing tools are a must for a certain type of user? If even you just accept that it is necessary and then blame lack of developer resources that would be a whole lot better than the current user hostile situtation by which users are blamed for not being "smart enough" to use the stroke tool. There is NEVER any excuse to blame the user, if something is difficult then very likely it needs to be made easier and even if the user is completely wrong they should politely be directed to the FAQ or relevant documentation. There is never any excuse to berate users for not knowing something especially if there is not good easy to find documentation. - Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp on Slashdot
On Wed, 5 May 2004, Sven Neumann wrote: > Date: 05 May 2004 02:13:13 +0200 > From: Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Gimp Users <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp on Slashdot > > Hi, > > Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > How many more of these articles must be written before the Gimp > > developers accept that simple drawing tools are a must for a certain > > type of user? > > We accepted this fact a long time ago. Pointing at it again doesn't > hurt but in the end someone needs to sit down and write code. While I cannot provide the code I guess what I can do is draw peoples attention to the bug that address their concerns. [So for user that want basic drawing tools in the Gimp it would be this bug report: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65197 ] Everytime there is a new Gimp release or featured article the same issues come up, it is frustrating for everyone, clearly there is a knowledge gap. While I realise that much of the discussion on Slashdot is unhelpful it would be very good 'PR' if the Gimp developers could publically address a few of the significant issues and actively solicit code in the cases where that is all that is required. Perhaps if voting was allowed on Gimp bugs in bugzilla it would become apparent which features are really most important to users? Would it be acceptable to start a meta bug that that tried to group bugs that users familiar with Adobe Photoshop find particularly annoying? An Official and up to date List of Frequently Asked Questions would probably help too (and I know from recent discussions that is something we would all like to see). I did a quick look for FAQ and found this and the date at the bottom of the page (1996-1998) suggests it is not actively maintained. http://www.rru.com/~meo/gimp/faq-user.html And this FAQ is unofficial but it seems to be more recently maintained http://home.planet.nl/~dark-echo/gimp-faq/ And there is the GUG FAQs http://gug.sunsite.dk/faq.php Are there any other users currently maintaining FAQ that could be "blessed" and turned into an Official FAQ and put on the website into some sort of content management system (like Wiki, preferably one that supports HTML syntax)? I'm throwing out some ideas because I want to try and be constructive but I have exams coming up soon so I can only do a very limited amount at the moment. Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] gimp 2 icon theme that looks like gimp 1.2
I'm wondering if anyone had made an icon theme for gimp 2 that looks like gimp 1.2? - Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] gimp 2 icon theme that looks like gimp 1.2
On Mon, 17 May 2004, Dave Neary wrote: > Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 18:12:22 +0200 > From: Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] gimp 2 icon theme that looks like gimp 1.2 > > > Hi Alan, > > Alan Horkan wrote: > > I'm wondering if anyone had made an icon theme for gimp 2 that looks like > > gimp 1.2? > > I'm not sure why you'd want to do that - I always thought the GIMP 1.2 > was pretty bleak... I'm considering making my own theme. If I do, I would like to use the Gimp 1.2 icons as a starting point because they are simpler and in a way they are clearer. If it doesn't already exist, I will end up making a gimp 1.2 theme along the way. > But you're free to have a go. The icons from 1.2 are in XBM format > embedded in the source in app/pixmaps.h and app/pixmaps2.h - the icon > for the color picker, for example, is in app/pixmaps2.h from lines 162 > to 188 - you can load this with the old ico plug-in too (it's the > old-format GIMP Icon format, which is essentially the same as XBM). I'm familar enough with the format, that part wouldn't be a problem. At the moment it is just an idea though. - Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] ANNOUNCE: GIMP 2.1.0 Development Release
On Thu, 3 Jun 2004, Sven Neumann wrote: > "Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I've anyway a couple of question : > > 1 - localization : I've not found the way the localization is done (if > > done) with the new xml menu structure. > > There are no translatable strings in the XML files. The XML files > specify the location of menu entries, not the strings associated with > them. > > > 2 - gtk-2.4 file chooser : I've not found the way to enter a filename > > from the keyboard but only a graphical, "mouse friendly" menu. Is there > > a way to select a file in a classical way ? With the previous versions, > > it was easy, even the gtk+ completion was fine. > > Type Ctrl-L to get an entry with nice TAB completion. Yes, I'd like to (for auto-complete i thought they were getting rid of TAB completion and using suggest/replace as you type instead, because using TAB messes with navigating through the widgets in the dialog, but they might not have do so yet). > see this entry being part of the file chooser by default but that's > something that you need to tell the GTK+ developers. As well as emailing the developers you should look at this enhancement request. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_.cgi?id=136541 Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Blur plug-in
On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, GSR - FR wrote: > Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:10:30 +0200 > From: GSR - FR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Gimp-user] Re: Blur plug-in > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (2004-06-07 at 1149.52 +0200): > > The plan is to remove the randomize and repeat functionality. That > > would allow us to also remove the (quite confusing) dialog. > > Filters->Blur->Blur would then be a simple blur with a 3x3 convolution > > kernel. It would be fast and easy to use but of course we it would be > > less powerful. So the question is, is anyone actually using this > > functionality? Are there scripts out there that rely on > > plug-in-blur-randomize to be available? > > Why not just ditch it completly then? If it just a 3x3 convolution > that you have to manually repeat, and there are already other filters > and scripts that do the same. The point of repeat is not having to > rerun manually to get a "bigger radius" blur. If there was a more convenient way to save a 3x3 convolution matrix than having to write a script-fu script around the convulotion matrix plugin then there would not be any reason to keep the blur plugin but at the moment manually typing in a convulation matrix gets really annoying really fast. - Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] a gimp file-selector
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, Jakub Steiner wrote: > Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:18:03 +0200 > From: Jakub Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: GIMPUser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] a gimp file-selector > > On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 09:55 -0700, Carol Spears wrote: > > > i have a feeling that someone like jimmac and/or tigert could design a > > file selector that would be more for the gimps needs and not a generic > > answer everyones needs (not gimps) widget and at least one of the gimp > > developers could easily put one together. > > I would rather address some of the issues with the new fileselector and > use the possibility to extend it rather than going for something > completely different. The Ctrl+L entry needs some love indeed, but > especially the save dialog is very dandy. I think this would be very wise. There is an outstanding bug report requesting a way to have the location bar always be shown (i posted a link in an ealier thread on the developer list). There are many applications besides the GIMP that want/need a thumbnail preview in their filechooser, so if the gtk developers knew what was required there could be extended version of the standard file selector that could benifit more than just the GIMP. - Alan. ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] a gimp file-selector
Sorry for the late reply On Tue, 15 Jun 2004, Sven Neumann wrote: > Date: 15 Jun 2004 11:02:39 +0200 > From: Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: GIMPUser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] a gimp file-selector > > Hi, > > Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > completely different. The Ctrl+L entry needs some love indeed, but > > > especially the save dialog is very dandy. > > > > I think this would be very wise. > > Mind if I ask what "this" is which is supposed to be very wise? The > save dialog being very dandy? this refferred to Jimmacs suggestion >> use the possibility to extend it rather than going for something >> completely different. The Ctrl+L entry needs some love indeed, but it makes sense to extend the generic gtk file chooser so that it has a preview pane that other developers can use rather than having it as a GIMP only feature. - Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
