Re: [gentoo-user] OT - Finding the port NFS runs on

[Alan McKinnon]

On Friday 14 March 2008, Michael Sullivan wrote:
> How can I find out what port NFS is running on so I can let it
> through my subrouter?

It tends to vary somewhat. portmapper is quite loose and fancy free with 
port numbers, you will often find 2049 in use and others around 900 or 
so. nmap is your friend here, as well as netstat and tcpdump in extreme 
cases

If this becomes a problem, most nfs tools support a -p option where you 
define which one you want.

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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge wine

[Alan McKinnon]

On Friday 14 March 2008, Robert Stockdale IV wrote:
>   I noticed he was putting a USE and FEATURES variable on the command
> line instead of make.conf and
>
>  friends.
>
> This is what a link from a previous post told me to do. The link was
> in the first reply and is:
>
> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-2111407.html

Haven't read the link (still way too early in the morning) but I often 
still find howtos that say to put USE on the command line. This old 
syntax is very much deprecated, mostly because you will forget that you 
did it, the current supported method is to put the same 
flag/feature/whatever in make.conf or per-package in package.use, where 
portage will remember it for you

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Re: [gentoo-user] Accept all versions but 9999

[Alan McKinnon]

On Friday 14 March 2008, Gustavo Campos wrote:
> Hi there.
>
> I have a "stable" system (I don't have ~x86 set), but I like to have
> the latest versions of some specific software (kde, gnome, amarok,
> alsa, pulseaudio, wine and so on). To achieve that, I've been using
> autounmask with the parameter -n. When I have a package I want to
> keep in the latest version, I just autounmask -n package, so all the
> dependencies are unmasked and no version number is appended.
>
> That works fine, but I like to have the latest released versions,
> which means I usually want to get away from the * ebuilds. The
> trouble is, when I use autounmask without version numbers, those 
> packages usually are choosen by portage, for being the effective
> latest ones.
>
> I would like to know if there is a way for me to unmask
> (automatically if possible) all versions BUT the  ones, so I have
> the latest releases but the less CVS/Beta packages as possible.

I find autounmask does way too much for me, and does it blindly just 
like a dumb computer should. so I do it manually. However, you are 
using -n and at the same time trying to use it without -n...

Trying deleting the autounmask files in /etc/portage/package.unmask/, 
that should go a long way to removing the CVS stuff (which is usually 
hard masked) leaving just package.keywords. You might have to manually 
resolve some conflicts now and then though - small price



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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Nvidia GeForce Go 6800 and nvidia-drivers ==> Cannot switch to ttys or close X

[andrea]

On gio, 2008-03-13 at 21:38 +0100, Matthias Bethke wrote:
> As far as I've heard, all proprietary graphics drivers on Linux suck but
> NVidia's suck a little less. 
> I've had big stability problems as well
> with 169.09-r1 on an el-cheapo GeForce 7300 but 169.12 has been rock
> solid for about a week now. At the speed any modern chip runs at, I
> don't feel the need for any framebuffer tricksi any more

Well, I don't use any login manager, so when I close my X session I'd
like to be back in a working console.

This behavior also gives me problems in the hibernate/resume process,
because I cannot see what's really happening during that time.

> ---the console
> runs in regular 1980s VGA 80x25 text mode which is fine for the boot
> process, after that I use gnome-terminal in fullscreen mode which looks
> just like a framebuffer console but with full unicode support and
> everything.

I'm guessing if there is alternative driver that gives Nvidia 3D accel,
(like for ATI I can use radeon instead of fglrx).

I don't care too much about performance (no desktop 3D effects or
composite are needed) and I'm not a game player. BTW I'd like to have
applications requiring 3D (such as googleearth) just working.


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[gentoo-user] Unofficial Gentoo Minimal livecd release soon

[Pongracz Istvan]

Hi,

I will finish my new minimal livecd and I will upload it to my site.
It will support i686 and up.
Optimized to i686.
Portage snapshot and stage3 is 13/03/2008.

I would like to ask your help to determine, what do you need on the
livecd:
with or without stage3 + portage snapshot?

You can vote here until this night:
http://www.osbusiness.hu/?page_name=gentoolinux

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Re: [gentoo-user] OT - Finding the port NFS runs on

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

On Friday 14 March 2008, Michael Sullivan wrote:

> How can I find out what port NFS is running on so I can let it through
> my subrouter?

rpcinfo -p  should tell you. Note that you might need to open 
other ports in addition to those used by nfs itself. In particular, the 
statd, lockd and mountd daemons usually use random ports, and I don't 
know whether and how they can be instructed to use fixed port numbers in 
Gentoo. Refer to this document for more information:

http://www.lowth.com/LinWiz/nfs_help.html
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Re: [gentoo-user] OT - Finding the port NFS runs on

[Dave Jones]

Etaoin Shrdlu wrote on 14/03/08 09:38:

On Friday 14 March 2008, Michael Sullivan wrote:

How can I find out what port NFS is running on so I can let it through
my subrouter?


rpcinfo -p  should tell you. Note that you might need to open 
other ports in addition to those used by nfs itself. In particular, the 
statd, lockd and mountd daemons usually use random ports, and I don't 
know whether and how they can be instructed to use fixed port numbers in 
Gentoo. Refer to this document for more information:



http://www.lowth.com/LinWiz/nfs_help.html


Modify /etc/conf.d/nfs to setup the ports you want to use:

OPTS_RPC_MOUNTD="-p n"
OPTS_RPC_STATD="-p m -o pp"

Modify /etc/sysctl.conf to set up the lockd port:

fs.nfs.nlm_udpport = xx
fs.nfs.nlm_tcpport = xx

NFS uses port 2049 as standard, portmap uses port 111

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Re[6]: [gentoo-user] OT - Exim question

[Sergey Kobzar]

Hi Michael,

See comments below.


> Here's the config.  I think I have my sed command correct to remove the
> commented lines from the listing:

> baby ~ # cat /etc/exim/exim.conf | sed /#/d
> domainlist local_domains = @ : espersunited.com :
^^^ - Did you really spit domainlist on few
lines w/o backslashes at the end of each line or it's your MUA?


> baby.espersunited.com : localhost : localdomain :
> camille.espersunited.com : catherine.espersunited.com : camille :
> catherine

Did you really spit domainlist on few lines w/o backslashes at the
end of each line or it's your MUA?


> domainlist relay_to_domains =
> hostlist   relay_from_hosts = 127.0.0.1 : 192.168.1.2 : 192.168.1.3 :
^^ - Same as domainlist local_domains above

> 192.168.1.4 : 192.168.0.2 192.168.1.100
> acl_smtp_rcpt = acl_check_rcpt
> acl_smtp_data = acl_check_data
> acl_smtp_mime = acl_check_mime
> av_scanner = clamd:/tmp/clamd
> spamd_address = 127.0.0.1 783
> qualify_domain = espersunited.com
> never_users = root
> host_lookup = *
^^ - try change it to something like:
host_lookup = !192.168.0.0/24: !192.168.1.0/24


> rfc1413_hosts = *
> rfc1413_query_timeout = 5s
 you can freely set it to 0s


> sender_unqualified_hosts = baby.espersunited.com :
^^ - usually you don't need this in case of
correct MUA settings.


> camille.espersunited.com : catherine.espersunited.com :
> localhost.localdomain
> recipient_unqualified_hosts = baby.espersunited.com :
^ - same as for sender_unqualified_hosts

> camille.espersunited.com : catherine.espersunited.com :
> localhost.localdomain
> ignore_bounce_errors_after = 2d
> timeout_frozen_after = 7d
> begin acl
> acl_check_rcpt:
>   accept  hosts = :
>   denymessage   = Restricted characters in address
>  domains   = +local_domains
>   local_parts   = ^[.] : [EMAIL PROTECTED]/|]


>   denymessage   = Restricted characters in address
>   domains   = !+local_domains
>   local_parts   = ^[./|] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : ^.*/\\.\\./


>   accept  local_parts   = postmaster
>   domains   = +local_domains


>   require verify= sender
^^ - are you sure you really need this in your case?
:)


>   accept  hosts = +relay_from_hosts
>   control   = submission


>   accept  authenticated = *
>   control   = submission


>   require message = relay not permitted
>   domains = +local_domains : +relay_to_domains


>   require verify = recipient
^^ - this does not work as expected. Use
something like 'require verify = recipient/callout=60s,defer_ok'.



>   accept




> acl_check_data:


>   



> warnmessage= X-SpamScore: $spam_score ($spam_bar)
> spam   = nobody:true
> warnmessage= X-SpamReport: $spam_report
> spam   = nobody:true
> warnmessage= X-Spam-Flag: ${if \
>  >{$spam_score_int}{58}{Almost Certainly}\
>  {${if >{$spam_score_int}{55}{Probably}\
>  {${if >{$spam_score_int}{50}{Possibly}{Doubtful}\
>  }
> spam   = nobody
> warn message = Subject: [*SPAM*] $h_Subject ${if \
>  >{$spam_score_int}{58}{Almost Certainly}\
>  {${if >{$spam_score_int}{55}{Probably}\
>  {${if >{$spam_score_int}{50}{Possibly}{Doubtful}\
>  }
> spam   = nobody

> denymessage= Rejected: spam score $spam_score
> spam   = nobody:true
> condition  = ${if >{$spam_score_int}{60}{1}{0}}

Worth to set message size limit here for spam checking.


> accept

> acl_check_mime:
>warn decode = default

>deny message = Blacklisted file extension detected
>condition = ${if match \
>{${lc:$mime_filename}} \
>{\N(\.exe|\.pif|\.bat|\.scr|\.lnk|\.com|.vbs)$\N} \
>{1}{0}}

>accept
> acl_check_content:
>deny  message = Serious MIME defect detected ($demime_reason)
>demime = *
>condition = ${if >{$demime_errorlevel}{2}{1}{0}}

>deny  message = This message contains malware ($malware_name)
>malware = *

>warn  message = X-Spam-Score: $spam_score ($spam_bar)
>spam = nobody:true
>warn  message = X-Spam-Report: $spam_report
>spam = nobody:true

>warn message = Subject: [*SPAM*] $h_Subject
>spam = nobody

>deny  message = This message scored $spam_score points.
> Congratulations!
>spam = nobody:true
>condition = ${if >{$spam_score_int}{50}{1}{0}}

Why do you check message for spam twice? %)


>accept



> begin routers





> dnslookup:
>   driver = dnslookup
>   domains = ! +local_domains
>   transport = remote_smtp
>   ignore_target_hosts = 0.0.0.0 : 127.0.0.0/8
>   no_more





> system_aliases:
>   dri

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Nvidia GeForce Go 6800 and nvidia-drivers ==> Cannot switch to ttys or close X

[Enrico Weigelt]

* 7v5w7go9ub0o <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Help, please! I'm thinking of building a new box: asus p5e/intel core2 
> quad. I had thought of getting an NV. Would ATI be the better choice?

My personal advise:

#1: do NOT buy NV cards. you'won't get ANY free and stable 
3D support for them in reasonable future (maybe they learn
in several years, but this would probably too late for you)

#2: look very carefully for which cards ATI has published their
specs (not sure if they did it for all). for those you've got
very great chances to get an good driver in very near future
(even it might not be perfect right now, but the community
can and will improve it fast).

I did the mistake just looking for 2D before buying my current
notebook (if I had known the lack of 3D support, I had never
bought it) :(


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Nvidia GeForce Go 6800 and nvidia-drivers ==> Cannot switch to ttys or close X

[Enrico Weigelt]

* andrea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well, I don't use any login manager, so when I close my X session I'd
> like to be back in a working console.
> 
> This behavior also gives me problems in the hibernate/resume process,
> because I cannot see what's really happening during that time.

One of the many situations where the proprietary drivers make
trouble. And I wouldn't assume NV will be investing reasonable
development resources, since the armany guys cannot "measure"
the benefits in their excel spreadsheets.

> I'm guessing if there is alternative driver that gives Nvidia 3D accel,
> (like for ATI I can use radeon instead of fglrx).

AFAIK, the free driver has no real 3D support yet.
But there's the Noveau project, which examines the proprietary
driver's behaviour and collects information for driver development.

> I don't care too much about performance (no desktop 3D effects or
> composite are needed) and I'm not a game player. BTW I'd like to have
> applications requiring 3D (such as googleearth) just working.

Me too. 
Maybe a software renderer would work fine, but I didn't really
tried to set it up yet.


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[gentoo-user] dev-java/asm versions nightmare

[Enrico Weigelt]

Hi folks,


while trying to set up hibernate (the java persistency tk), I ran 
into lots of trouble with the asm package. Deep within the dependency 
tree, there are several totally incompatible versions of asm pulled 
in. While build runs cleany, everything crashes on runtime.

Further investigation showed that totally incompatible branches 
(at least 2.0 totally breaks the interface introduced by 1.5 !)
are living in the same namespace. Several packages depend on 
different branches (via different slots), so it's obvious that
this ends in fire.

Seems the certain people at INRIA+FR are just a bunch of mindless
jerks who'll be the first against the wall when the great
revolution comes ;-P

This is yet a nother good (bad) example that slot'ing has the
strong tendency to make things even worse than they already are
(if not used with *extreme* caution).

I'm currently in the process of resolving this issue by completely
forking off the these branches into their own packages, with their
own namespace, and porting client to the forked packages. As long
as the specific asm interfaces aren't used within client's exports,
this should be quite easy.

Please drop a note if you want to be kept up to date on the issue.


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Re[2]: [gentoo-user] intelfb and 945GM

[Sergey Kobzar]

Hi Wael,

Thanks for help.

According to http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_fbsplash:

uvesafb - a newer (>=2.6.23) generic, _non-accelerated_ driver that
supports additional features such as custom resolutions. Unlike other
drivers, it requires a userspace daemon called v86d to run (provided
in the sys-apps/v86d package)

intelfb - an _accelerated_ driver for Intel chipsets


That's why I selected intelfb. Any chance to get it working or it's
more easy to forget about it?



Friday, March 14, 2008, 2:49:12 AM, you wrote:

> This One Time, at Band Camp, Sergey Kobzar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> said, On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 11:34:10PM +0200:
>> Hi


>> Linux 2.6.24-gentoo-r3 i686

>> I have Asus U5F laptop:

>> # lspci
>> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS, 943/940GML and 
>> 945GT Express Memory Controller Hub (rev 03)
>> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 
>> 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
>> 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML 
>> Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
>> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition 
>> Audio Controller (rev 02)
>> 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 
>> 1 (rev 02)
>> 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 
>> 2 (rev 02)
>> 00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 
>> 3 (rev 02)
>> 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI 
>> Controller #1 (rev 02)
>> 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI 
>> Controller #2 (rev 02)
>> 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI 
>> Controller #3 (rev 02)
>> 00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI 
>> Controller #4 (rev 02)
>> 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB2 EHCI 
>> Controller (rev 02)
>> 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev e2)
>> 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801GBM (ICH7-M) LPC Interface Bridge 
>> (rev 02)
>> 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801GBM/GHM (ICH7 Family) SATA IDE 
>> Controller (rev 02)
>> 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B 
>> PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 01)
>> 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network 
>> Connection (rev 02)
>> 08:03.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller
>> 08:03.1 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host 
>> Adapter (rev 19)
>> 08:03.2 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C592 Memory Stick Bus Host Adapter 
>> (rev 0a)
>> 08:03.3 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd xD-Picture Card Controller (rev 05)


>> and can't get working intelfb module on it. Kernel config:

>> # cat /usr/src/linux/.config | grep FB | grep -v '#'
>> CONFIG_FB=y
>> CONFIG_FB_DDC=y
>> CONFIG_FB_CFB_FILLRECT=y
>> CONFIG_FB_CFB_COPYAREA=y
>> CONFIG_FB_CFB_IMAGEBLIT=y
>> CONFIG_FB_DEFERRED_IO=y
>> CONFIG_FB_MODE_HELPERS=y
>> CONFIG_FB_INTEL=y
>> CONFIG_FB_INTEL_I2C=y

>> # dmesg | grep intel
>> intelfb: Framebuffer driver for Intel(R) 
>> 830M/845G/852GM/855GM/865G/915G/915GM/945G/945GM chipsets
>> intelfb: Version 0.9.4
>> intelfb: 00:02.0: Intel(R) 945GM, aperture size 256MB, stolen memory 7932kB
>> intelfb: Non-CRT device is enabled ( LVDS port ).  Disabling mode switching.
>> intelfb: Video mode must be programmed at boot time.


>> I tried these kernel kernel options:
>> kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.24-gentoo-r3-b2 root=/dev/sda5 video=intelfb 
>> vga=0x318
>> kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.24-gentoo-r3-b2 root=/dev/sda5 video=intelfb:[EMAIL 
>> PROTECTED]
>> kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.24-gentoo-r3-b2 root=/dev/sda5 vga=792

>> and in all cases I see blank screen or screen with many scrolling
>> white lines.


>> Any chance to get framebuffer working on my laptop?

> Don't use intelfb, just use the standard uvesafb.

> $ zgrep FB /proc/config.gz
> CONFIG_FB=y
> # CONFIG_FB_DDC is not set
> CONFIG_FB_CFB_FILLRECT=y
> CONFIG_FB_CFB_COPYAREA=y
> CONFIG_FB_CFB_IMAGEBLIT=y
> # CONFIG_FB_CFB_REV_PIXELS_IN_BYTE is not set
> # CONFIG_FB_SYS_FILLRECT is not set
> # CONFIG_FB_SYS_COPYAREA is not set
> # CONFIG_FB_SYS_IMAGEBLIT is not set
> # CONFIG_FB_SYS_FOPS is not set
> CONFIG_FB_DEFERRED_IO=y
> # CONFIG_FB_SVGALIB is not set
> # CONFIG_FB_MACMODES is not set
> # CONFIG_FB_BACKLIGHT is not set
> CONFIG_FB_MODE_HELPERS=y
> # CONFIG_FB_TILEBLITTING is not set
> # CONFIG_FB_CIRRUS is not set
> # CONFIG_FB_PM2 is not set
> # CONFIG_FB_CYBER2000 is not set
> # CONFIG_FB_ARC is not set
> # CONFIG_FB_ASILIANT is not set
> # CONFIG_FB_IMSTT is not set
> # CONFIG_FB_VGA16 is not set
> CONFIG_FB_UVESA=y
> # CONFIG_FB_VESA is not set
> # CONFIG_FB_EFI is not set
> # CONFIG_FB_HECUBA is not set
> # CONFIG_FB_HGA is not set
> # CONFIG_FB_S1D13XXX is not set
> #

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Nvidia GeForce Go 6800 and nvidia-drivers ==> Cannot switch to ttys or close X

[Matthias Bethke]

Hi andrea,
on Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 08:53:53AM +0100, you wrote:
> > I've had big stability problems as well
> > with 169.09-r1 on an el-cheapo GeForce 7300 but 169.12 has been rock
> > solid for about a week now. At the speed any modern chip runs at, I
> > don't feel the need for any framebuffer tricksi any more
> 
> Well, I don't use any login manager, so when I close my X session I'd
> like to be back in a working console.

Do you actually do work there that you can't do while X is running?
Because ye olde VGA should work in any case and it's good enough for
entering "startx" or watching the machine resume from disk ;) 

> I'm guessing if there is alternative driver that gives Nvidia 3D accel,
> (like for ATI I can use radeon instead of fglrx).
> 
> I don't care too much about performance (no desktop 3D effects or
> composite are needed) and I'm not a game player. BTW I'd like to have
> applications requiring 3D (such as googleearth) just working.

AFAIK the open source "nv" driver has only 2D accel, and I haven't been
able to get GLX working with it. I guess it's possible using MESA's
software rendering somehow but as the latest nvidia driver works fine
for me I haven't investigated any further there.

cheers,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Accept all versions but 9999

[Gustavo Campos]

That's the way I did it before, you know... but it really comes to be
a pain in the ass when you want to test some new supercool releases
with tons of dependencies, such as kde-4 and so on.

However that's some neat tip, I haven't though on the possibility of
leaving just package.keywords, I'm giving it a try just right now!
Thanks a lot!

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 4:14 AM, Alan McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Friday 14 March 2008, Gustavo Campos wrote:
>  > Hi there.
>  >
>  > I have a "stable" system (I don't have ~x86 set), but I like to have
>  > the latest versions of some specific software (kde, gnome, amarok,
>  > alsa, pulseaudio, wine and so on). To achieve that, I've been using
>  > autounmask with the parameter -n. When I have a package I want to
>  > keep in the latest version, I just autounmask -n package, so all the
>  > dependencies are unmasked and no version number is appended.
>  >
>  > That works fine, but I like to have the latest released versions,
>  > which means I usually want to get away from the * ebuilds. The
>  > trouble is, when I use autounmask without version numbers, those 
>  > packages usually are choosen by portage, for being the effective
>  > latest ones.
>  >
>  > I would like to know if there is a way for me to unmask
>  > (automatically if possible) all versions BUT the  ones, so I have
>  > the latest releases but the less CVS/Beta packages as possible.
>
>  I find autounmask does way too much for me, and does it blindly just
>  like a dumb computer should. so I do it manually. However, you are
>  using -n and at the same time trying to use it without -n...
>
>  Trying deleting the autounmask files in /etc/portage/package.unmask/,
>  that should go a long way to removing the CVS stuff (which is usually
>  hard masked) leaving just package.keywords. You might have to manually
>  resolve some conflicts now and then though - small price
>
>
>
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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge wine

[Tony Davison]

On Thursday 13 March 2008 23:13:04 Robert Stockdale IV wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 6:17 PM, Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:15:24 -0400, Robert Stockdale IV wrote:
> > > Well I got it compiling. However it seems to die with errors with the
> > > USE flag and FEATURES.
> >
> > And those errors are...?
> >
> > > It also will not take the multilib use flag. I
> > > use the -uDNav option on emerge and multilib is shown as (-multilib).
> > > How can I get it to show multilib* instead of (-multilib).
> >
> > Parentheses around a USE flag mean that it is forced or masked in your
> > profile. Which profile are you using?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Neil Bothwick
> >
> > "Bother," said Pooh, as he connected at 300 bps.
>
> According to eselect it is still :default-linux/amd64/2007.0/desktop
> This is what I set it at when I installed Gentoo.
> Bob

Hmm, I run the same profile and it shows (-multilib) in the output from 
a "emerge gcc -pvt" but profuse denies the existence of a multilib USE flag.

I should add that this box has both lib64 and lib32.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Accept all versions but 9999

[Alan McKinnon]

On Friday 14 March 2008, Gustavo Campos wrote:
> That's the way I did it before, you know... but it really comes to be
> a pain in the ass when you want to test some new supercool releases
> with tons of dependencies, such as kde-4 and so on.

Tell me about it, been there done that, I feel your pain :-)

> However that's some neat tip, I haven't though on the possibility of
> leaving just package.keywords, I'm giving it a try just right now!
> Thanks a lot!

It was just an idea that came to me, completely untested. Let us know if 
it mostly works out.



>
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 4:14 AM, Alan McKinnon 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Friday 14 March 2008, Gustavo Campos wrote:
> >  > Hi there.
> >  >
> >  > I have a "stable" system (I don't have ~x86 set), but I like to
> >  > have the latest versions of some specific software (kde, gnome,
> >  > amarok, alsa, pulseaudio, wine and so on). To achieve that, I've
> >  > been using autounmask with the parameter -n. When I have a
> >  > package I want to keep in the latest version, I just autounmask
> >  > -n package, so all the dependencies are unmasked and no version
> >  > number is appended.
> >  >
> >  > That works fine, but I like to have the latest released
> >  > versions, which means I usually want to get away from the *
> >  > ebuilds. The trouble is, when I use autounmask without version
> >  > numbers, those  packages usually are choosen by portage, for
> >  > being the effective latest ones.
> >  >
> >  > I would like to know if there is a way for me to unmask
> >  > (automatically if possible) all versions BUT the  ones, so I
> >  > have the latest releases but the less CVS/Beta packages as
> >  > possible.
> >
> >  I find autounmask does way too much for me, and does it blindly
> > just like a dumb computer should. so I do it manually. However, you
> > are using -n and at the same time trying to use it without -n...
> >
> >  Trying deleting the autounmask files in
> > /etc/portage/package.unmask/, that should go a long way to removing
> > the CVS stuff (which is usually hard masked) leaving just
> > package.keywords. You might have to manually resolve some conflicts
> > now and then though - small price
> >
> >
> >
> >  --
> >  Alan McKinnon
> >  alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
> >
> >  --
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>
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[gentoo-user] libg2c.so.0

[justin]

Hi everybody!

Can anyone tell which USE flag I need to get gcc installing libg2c.so.0.

Thanks  Justin

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Re: [gentoo-user] Accept all versions but 9999

[Gustavo Campos]

Compile time =)

Actually when I ripped off package.unmask, the kde-4 tree just got
crazy, so I moved back only autounmask-kde-meta. After that,
alsa-driver, which was at - wanted to go back to 1.0.15, that
doesn't compile (bug in bugs.gentoo), so I'm now compiling alsa
in-kernel, but ir pretty much seems to be working out (thinking about
an emerge -C `equery list | grep  | xargs` now)...

Anyway, I believe I got planty of time, it's raining a f***ing lot
here and I'm not inclined to be on my way to the University ^^

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Alan McKinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Friday 14 March 2008, Gustavo Campos wrote:
>
> > That's the way I did it before, you know... but it really comes to be
>  > a pain in the ass when you want to test some new supercool releases
>  > with tons of dependencies, such as kde-4 and so on.
>
>  Tell me about it, been there done that, I feel your pain :-)
>
>
>  > However that's some neat tip, I haven't though on the possibility of
>  > leaving just package.keywords, I'm giving it a try just right now!
>  > Thanks a lot!
>
>  It was just an idea that came to me, completely untested. Let us know if
>  it mostly works out.
>
>
>
>
>
>  >
>  > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 4:14 AM, Alan McKinnon
>  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > > On Friday 14 March 2008, Gustavo Campos wrote:
>  > >  > Hi there.
>  > >  >
>  > >  > I have a "stable" system (I don't have ~x86 set), but I like to
>  > >  > have the latest versions of some specific software (kde, gnome,
>  > >  > amarok, alsa, pulseaudio, wine and so on). To achieve that, I've
>  > >  > been using autounmask with the parameter -n. When I have a
>  > >  > package I want to keep in the latest version, I just autounmask
>  > >  > -n package, so all the dependencies are unmasked and no version
>  > >  > number is appended.
>  > >  >
>  > >  > That works fine, but I like to have the latest released
>  > >  > versions, which means I usually want to get away from the *
>  > >  > ebuilds. The trouble is, when I use autounmask without version
>  > >  > numbers, those  packages usually are choosen by portage, for
>  > >  > being the effective latest ones.
>  > >  >
>  > >  > I would like to know if there is a way for me to unmask
>  > >  > (automatically if possible) all versions BUT the  ones, so I
>  > >  > have the latest releases but the less CVS/Beta packages as
>  > >  > possible.
>  > >
>  > >  I find autounmask does way too much for me, and does it blindly
>  > > just like a dumb computer should. so I do it manually. However, you
>  > > are using -n and at the same time trying to use it without -n...
>  > >
>  > >  Trying deleting the autounmask files in
>  > > /etc/portage/package.unmask/, that should go a long way to removing
>  > > the CVS stuff (which is usually hard masked) leaving just
>  > > package.keywords. You might have to manually resolve some conflicts
>  > > now and then though - small price
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >  --
>  > >  Alan McKinnon
>  > >  alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
>  > >
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>  >
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>
>
>
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Re: [gentoo-user] Accept all versions but 9999

[Chris Brennan]

It was just an idea that came to me, completely untested. Let us know if 
it mostly works out.


Does this Go with "Mostly Harmless" too?
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Re: [gentoo-user] libg2c.so.0

[Alan McKinnon]

On Friday 14 March 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi everybody!
>
> Can anyone tell which USE flag I need to get gcc installing
> libg2c.so.0.
>
> Thanks  Justin

I believe it's USE=fortran according to
http://www.techtalkz.com/gentoo-linux/381387-deprecated-libraryname-libg2c-so-0-a.html

Plus, http://www.portagefilelist.de only has entries for gcc-3.3.* and 
gcc-3.4.* - so it might work with gcc-4.* but ymmv

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Re: [gentoo-user] Synaptics touchpad mistaken(?) for Logitech Wheel Mouse

[Johan Blåbäck]

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Liviu Andronic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello Iain and Johan,
>
>
>  On 3/12/08, Iain Buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > ok.  Are you sure it's a synaptics touchpad?  Otherwise I'm out of
>  >  ideas, sorry...
>
>  I didn't want to hijack the thread, so I waited till this moment. I
>  can report a similar problem on my laptop.
>
>  The symptoms are pretty much the same as those described by Johan.
>  However, in my case the Touchpad worked fine (for example, sliding the
>  finger on the far-right side correctly translated into scrolling). It
>  was  (more or less) after I used a couple of times my Logitech USB
>  Mouse that the Touchpad defaulted to basic mouse functionality (two
>  buttons and "mouse pointer" movement).
>
>  At that time I was convinced it was a "coldplugging" problem. When I
>  found some more free time, and after having survived an "emerge
>  world", I switched to a (completely) dynamic udev. Still, this did not
>  solve the problem. Then I was blocked. Following the Wiki Howtos for
>  configuring the Touchpad did not help much, either.
>
>  How do you think that I could verify that this is a "coldplug/udev"
>  problem? Could this be the problem, at all? What information that
>  would help you help me pin-point the problem could I post?

I know nothing about this (udev), so any outside input to this
discussion would be good.


>
>  Thanks,
>  Liviu
>
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[gentoo-user] New Unofficial Gentoo Livecd 2008.Mar.13 available

[Pongracz Istvan]

Hi,

Here is the new livecd (~230MB):
http://www.osbusiness.hu/?lang=en&page_name=gentoolinux

It is still based on the 2007.0 profile.

Package list (eix -I) included, CD contents available.
stage3, portage snapshot etc. included.

And so on.

Separate stage3 + snapshot + really small livecd will be available
later.


Cheers,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Accept all versions but 9999

[Alan McKinnon]

On Friday 14 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote:
> > It was just an idea that came to me, completely untested. Let us
> > know if it mostly works out.
>
> Does this Go with "Mostly Harmless" too?

Not really. If it doesn't work, the Vogons drop by to see why.

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Re: [gentoo-user] intelfb and 945GM

[Wael Nasreddine]

This One Time, at Band Camp, Sergey Kobzar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said, On Fri, 
Mar 14, 2008 at 01:54:48PM +0200:
> Hi Wael,

> Thanks for help.

> According to http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_fbsplash:

> uvesafb - a newer (>=2.6.23) generic, _non-accelerated_ driver that
> supports additional features such as custom resolutions. Unlike other
> drivers, it requires a userspace daemon called v86d to run (provided
> in the sys-apps/v86d package)

> intelfb - an _accelerated_ driver for Intel chipsets


> That's why I selected intelfb. Any chance to get it working or it's
> more easy to forget about it?

I don't know about this, I've never used intelfb so I can't help with
that, but an advise though, if your intention is to use for example
mplayer on Console then I think it's worth working on it, but if your
intention is to use just for the splash, uvesafb will be sufficient...


> Friday, March 14, 2008, 2:49:12 AM, you wrote:

> > This One Time, at Band Camp, Sergey Kobzar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > said, On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 11:34:10PM +0200:
> >> Hi


> >> Linux 2.6.24-gentoo-r3 i686

> >> I have Asus U5F laptop:

> >> # lspci
> >> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS, 943/940GML and 
> >> 945GT Express Memory Controller Hub (rev 03)
> >> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 
> >> 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
> >> 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML 
> >> Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
> >> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High 
> >> Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
> >> 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express 
> >> Port 1 (rev 02)
> >> 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express 
> >> Port 2 (rev 02)
> >> 00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express 
> >> Port 3 (rev 02)
> >> 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI 
> >> Controller #1 (rev 02)
> >> 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI 
> >> Controller #2 (rev 02)
> >> 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI 
> >> Controller #3 (rev 02)
> >> 00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI 
> >> Controller #4 (rev 02)
> >> 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB2 EHCI 
> >> Controller (rev 02)
> >> 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev e2)
> >> 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801GBM (ICH7-M) LPC Interface 
> >> Bridge (rev 02)
> >> 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801GBM/GHM (ICH7 Family) SATA 
> >> IDE Controller (rev 02)
> >> 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B 
> >> PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 01)
> >> 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network 
> >> Connection (rev 02)
> >> 08:03.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller
> >> 08:03.1 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host 
> >> Adapter (rev 19)
> >> 08:03.2 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C592 Memory Stick Bus Host 
> >> Adapter (rev 0a)
> >> 08:03.3 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd xD-Picture Card Controller (rev 05)


> >> and can't get working intelfb module on it. Kernel config:

> >> # cat /usr/src/linux/.config | grep FB | grep -v '#'
> >> CONFIG_FB=y
> >> CONFIG_FB_DDC=y
> >> CONFIG_FB_CFB_FILLRECT=y
> >> CONFIG_FB_CFB_COPYAREA=y
> >> CONFIG_FB_CFB_IMAGEBLIT=y
> >> CONFIG_FB_DEFERRED_IO=y
> >> CONFIG_FB_MODE_HELPERS=y
> >> CONFIG_FB_INTEL=y
> >> CONFIG_FB_INTEL_I2C=y

> >> # dmesg | grep intel
> >> intelfb: Framebuffer driver for Intel(R) 
> >> 830M/845G/852GM/855GM/865G/915G/915GM/945G/945GM chipsets
> >> intelfb: Version 0.9.4
> >> intelfb: 00:02.0: Intel(R) 945GM, aperture size 256MB, stolen memory 7932kB
> >> intelfb: Non-CRT device is enabled ( LVDS port ).  Disabling mode 
> >> switching.
> >> intelfb: Video mode must be programmed at boot time.


> >> I tried these kernel kernel options:
> >> kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.24-gentoo-r3-b2 root=/dev/sda5 video=intelfb 
> >> vga=0x318
> >> kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.24-gentoo-r3-b2 root=/dev/sda5 
> >> video=intelfb:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.24-gentoo-r3-b2 root=/dev/sda5 vga=792

> >> and in all cases I see blank screen or screen with many scrolling
> >> white lines.


> >> Any chance to get framebuffer working on my laptop?

> > Don't use intelfb, just use the standard uvesafb.

> > $ zgrep FB /proc/config.gz
> > CONFIG_FB=y
> > # CONFIG_FB_DDC is not set
> > CONFIG_FB_CFB_FILLRECT=y
> > CONFIG_FB_CFB_COPYAREA=y
> > CONFIG_FB_CFB_IMAGEBLIT=y
> > # CONFIG_FB_CFB_REV_PIXELS_IN_BYTE is not set
> > # CONFIG_FB_SYS_FILLRECT is not set
> > # CONFIG_FB_SYS_COPYAREA is not set
> > # CONFIG_FB_SYS_IMAGEBLIT is not set
> > # CONFIG_FB_SYS_FOPS is not set
> > 

[gentoo-user] Skipping static libraries

[Enrico Weigelt]

Hi folks,

is there a way for telling emerge that it should NOT install
static (.a) libraries ?

thx
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[gentoo-user] portage problem

[Chuck Robey]

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I am trying to install kde-meta. I have been fixing my USE variables as I
find mistakes, and apprently, from this error I got (while building
kde-base/kopete-3.5.8) I was missing the opengl variable while I built a
lot of stuff, and it wants me to rebuild some qt things, but the error
message reads:

 *  The die message:
 *   Please reemerge =x11-libs/qt-3* with USE="opengl".

asks me to rebuild something that doesn't exist.  Could one of you wiser
heads take a look and see if you can figure out what things actually need
rebuilding?  I know about the --update --newuse flags, so (I hope) I just
need to know what to rebuild.  I tried asking emerge what the dependencies
of kopete were, but since the qt things are already installed, that didn't
work too well for me.

Sure would appreciate some help here.
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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

[Vladimir Rusinov]

On 3/14/08, Chuck Robey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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>
> I am trying to install kde-meta. I have been fixing my USE variables as I
> find mistakes, and apprently, from this error I got (while building
> kde-base/kopete-3.5.8) I was missing the opengl variable while I built a
> lot of stuff, and it wants me to rebuild some qt things, but the error
> message reads:
>
>   *  The die message:
>   *   Please reemerge =x11-libs/qt-3* with USE="opengl".


asks me to rebuild something that doesn't exist.


Are you really shure that you don't have qt3 installed?
You CAN'T build kde3 without qt3.

Could one of you wiser
> heads take a look and see if you can figure out what things actually need
> rebuilding?  I know about the --update --newuse flags, so (I hope) I just
> need to know what to rebuild.


Just add opengl to your use flags and `emerge -v1 =x11-libs/qt-3*`
Then, you'll probably need `emerge --update --deep --newuse kde-meta` (or
emerge -uDN kde-meta)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

[Dan Farrell]

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:00:41 -0700
"Mark Knecht" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Jamie Dobbs
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I've been away from Gentoo for the last year or so and using Ubuntu
> > but find that I want to return to Gentoo simply because of the
> > level of customization that I can do with it.
> 
> Well then, welcome back.
> 
> 
> >  Also I'm not running at Athlon X2 system, ifs there any _real_
> > advantage to running AMD64 or should I still to x86?
> 
> I run an amd64 as my desktop system. It' started as my 3rd machine so
> at the time it was 64-bit for fun. today I just live with it. There
> are some limitations on the 64-bit platform with web-based media, but
> beyond that I find 32 and 64-bit machines to be pretty similar in
> performance. I run old windows games under Wine on 64-bit and they
> work OK. I think Flash and Java have been the two larger issues for me
> over time. A few win32codec issues also. However if I wanted to get
> around those I could probably do something in a chroot but I'm not
> that motivated.
> 
> If I was building a desktop machine today I wouldn't build 64-bit. I
> see no advantage and a few disadvantages, but either way you go you'll
> probably be fine.

I use a 64 bit myself and have done so ever since I got tired of
running 32bit and wasting half my CPU.  I recommend running a 32bit
firefox, but other than that, there's no real problems here.  Wine
seems to run a little better in 64 bit than I've seen it perform on
other systems but it's hard to be sure.  

Anyhow, just wanted to say I switched from 64 to 32 originally, as Mark
suggested, and switched back very quickly.  I don't know if the speed
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[gentoo-user] jffs2 on gentoo

[James]

Hello,

I have a firewall that is built pretty minimally on a P3 and
and old 4 gig ide disk:

/dev/hda3  2068348   1668104400244  81% /
/dev/hda1   100728 40452 60276  41% /boot

I have a 4 gig Cf card (sandisk) and a ide-cf card that should
make the CF card look like an ide hard drive.

I've been searching for a wiki or something that describes the general
sequence of events to migrate the existing gentoo system to the
CF/ide disk, with no luck.

I did find this page:
http://gentoo-wiki.com/Mounting_a_block_device_with_JFFS2


But it seems vague(outdated) and missing many steps. Or
am I confused? I'm just looking for some outline or verbose
steps to replace an ide drive on a system with a CF/ide drive
and jffs2, as I have many systems that I'd like to do this with, 
for core reliability on minimalistic gentoo servers. I plan
on having additional space on these systems (when needed)
via NFS.


Any help or ideas are greatly appreciated.


James

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Re: [gentoo-user] jffs2 on gentoo

[Dan Farrell]

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:27:22 + (UTC)
James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I have a firewall that is built pretty minimally on a P3 and
> and old 4 gig ide disk:
> 
> /dev/hda3  2068348   1668104400244  81% /
> /dev/hda1   100728 40452 60276  41% /boot
> 
> I have a 4 gig Cf card (sandisk) and a ide-cf card that should
> make the CF card look like an ide hard drive.
> 
> I've been searching for a wiki or something that describes the general
> sequence of events to migrate the existing gentoo system to the
> CF/ide disk, with no luck.
> 
> I did find this page:
> http://gentoo-wiki.com/Mounting_a_block_device_with_JFFS2
> 
> 
> But it seems vague(outdated) and missing many steps. Or
> am I confused? I'm just looking for some outline or verbose
> steps to replace an ide drive on a system with a CF/ide drive
> and jffs2, as I have many systems that I'd like to do this with, 
> for core reliability on minimalistic gentoo servers. I plan
> on having additional space on these systems (when needed)
> via NFS.
> 
> 
> Any help or ideas are greatly appreciated.
> 
> 
> James
> 

You shouldn't need to do anything special - just copy all files over
exactly, and then set up GRUB on the CF card.  

Your biggest problem is you need to cut 75% from your installation.
Delete portage, logs, and so on to do so.  You can mount portage from
NFS later.  You might also have to uninstall X and all desktop
environments to get it that small -- assuming you can do so, it's a
good idea.  
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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

[Chuck Robey]

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> 
> 
> On 3/14/08, *Chuck Robey* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> wrote:
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> I am trying to install kde-meta. I have been fixing my USE variables
> as I
> find mistakes, and apprently, from this error I got (while building
> kde-base/kopete-3.5.8) I was missing the opengl variable while I built a
> lot of stuff, and it wants me to rebuild some qt things, but the error
> message reads:
> 
>   *  The die message:
>   *   Please reemerge =x11-libs/qt-3* with USE="opengl".
> 
> 
> asks me to rebuild something that doesn't exist.
> 
> 
> Are you really shure that you don't have qt3 installed?
> You CAN'T build kde3 without qt3.
> 
> Could one of you wiser
> heads take a look and see if you can figure out what things actually
> need
> rebuilding?  I know about the --update --newuse flags, so (I hope) I
> just
> need to know what to rebuild. 
> 
> 
> Just add opengl to your use flags and `emerge -v1 =x11-libs/qt-3*`
> Then, you'll probably need `emerge --update --deep --newuse kde-meta`
> (or emerge -uDN kde-meta)
> 

You aren't understanding me.  I am fully aware of qt versions 3 and 4, and
if I was gbuilding them on my own, this wouldn't be a problem, but I am
trying to use the portage system, and there isnt'any such emerge package
named like this, at least, none I can find, none 'emerge -s qt-3*' could
find either.  If you could identify for me what the heck the real package
name is, I would gladly rebuild it.  I'm  not having trouble with the
command line, I'm having trouble finding the cirrect thing to rebuild.

> -- 
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> Voronezh, Russia
> UNIX Admin @ Murano Software

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Re: [gentoo-user] Accept all versions but 9999

[Chris Brennan]

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Alan McKinnon wrote:
| On Friday 14 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote:
|>> It was just an idea that came to me, completely untested. Let us
|>> know if it mostly works out.
|> Does this Go with "Mostly Harmless" too?
|
| Not really. If it doesn't work, the Vogons drop by to see why.
|

How about some Poetry ...
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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

[Mark Knecht]

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Dan Farrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:00:41 -0700
>  "Mark Knecht" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Jamie Dobbs
>  > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > > I've been away from Gentoo for the last year or so and using Ubuntu
>  > > but find that I want to return to Gentoo simply because of the
>  > > level of customization that I can do with it.
>  >
>  > Well then, welcome back.
>  >
>  > 
>  > >  Also I'm not running at Athlon X2 system, ifs there any _real_
>  > > advantage to running AMD64 or should I still to x86?
>  >
>  > I run an amd64 as my desktop system. It' started as my 3rd machine so
>  > at the time it was 64-bit for fun. today I just live with it. There
>  > are some limitations on the 64-bit platform with web-based media, but
>  > beyond that I find 32 and 64-bit machines to be pretty similar in
>  > performance. I run old windows games under Wine on 64-bit and they
>  > work OK. I think Flash and Java have been the two larger issues for me
>  > over time. A few win32codec issues also. However if I wanted to get
>  > around those I could probably do something in a chroot but I'm not
>  > that motivated.
>  >
>  > If I was building a desktop machine today I wouldn't build 64-bit. I
>  > see no advantage and a few disadvantages, but either way you go you'll
>  > probably be fine.
>
>  I use a 64 bit myself and have done so ever since I got tired of
>  running 32bit and wasting half my CPU.  I recommend running a 32bit
>  firefox, but other than that, there's no real problems here.  Wine
>  seems to run a little better in 64 bit than I've seen it perform on
>  other systems but it's hard to be sure.
>
>  Anyhow, just wanted to say I switched from 64 to 32 originally, as Mark
>  suggested, and switched back very quickly.  I don't know if the speed
>  really changed, but it made me feel better about myself.
>

It's an interesting question and one I've not tried to test. Does an
AMD64 machine running a 32-bit or 64-bit install run faster or slower
with one or the other. For all of my everyday work - Gnome, Firefox,
web browsing, email, MythTV, etc., it's been my assumption that there
wouldn't be any noticeble difference. I run 64-bit but assume I'd run
at more or less the same speed if I ran 32-bit. I may be wrong. Anyone
have any measured data? Same machine, two installs?

I should see about 1) getting my chroot working again and then 2)
getting it to boot and doing a check.

Thanks,
Mark
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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

[Chris Brennan]

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reemerge x11-libs/qt with the qt3support *AND* opengl flags, qt-4.3
merged qt-3 into the qt-4 src-tree


Leviathan ~ # emerge -vp qt
~ * Mounting 850M of memory to /var/tmp/portage ...
~  [ ok ]
~ * emerging -vp qt

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild   R   ] x11-libs/qt-4.3.2-r1  USE="cups dbus gif glib jpeg mng
mysql opengl png qt3support ssl tiff xinerama zlib -accessibility -debug
- -doc -examples (-firebird) -nas -nis -odbc -pch -postgres -sqlite
- -sqlite3" INPUT_DEVICES="-wacom" 0 kB

Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 kB
~ * unmounting tmpfs ...
~  [ ok ]
Leviathan ~ #


Also, make sure you have done a emerge --sync recently to make sure your
portage tree is current.

Chuck Robey wrote:
| Vladimir Rusinov wrote:
|
|> On 3/14/08, *Chuck Robey* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
|> wrote:
|
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|> I am trying to install kde-meta. I have been fixing my USE variables
|> as I
|> find mistakes, and apprently, from this error I got (while building
|> kde-base/kopete-3.5.8) I was missing the opengl variable while I
built a
|> lot of stuff, and it wants me to rebuild some qt things, but the
error
|> message reads:
|
|>   *  The die message:
|>   *   Please reemerge =x11-libs/qt-3* with USE="opengl".
|
|
|> asks me to rebuild something that doesn't exist.
|
|
|> Are you really shure that you don't have qt3 installed?
|> You CAN'T build kde3 without qt3.
|
|> Could one of you wiser
|> heads take a look and see if you can figure out what things actually
|> need
|> rebuilding?  I know about the --update --newuse flags, so (I hope) I
|> just
|> need to know what to rebuild.
|
|
|> Just add opengl to your use flags and `emerge -v1 =x11-libs/qt-3*`
|> Then, you'll probably need `emerge --update --deep --newuse kde-meta`
|> (or emerge -uDN kde-meta)
|
|
| You aren't understanding me.  I am fully aware of qt versions 3 and 4, and
| if I was gbuilding them on my own, this wouldn't be a problem, but I am
| trying to use the portage system, and there isnt'any such emerge package
| named like this, at least, none I can find, none 'emerge -s qt-3*' could
| find either.  If you could identify for me what the heck the real package
| name is, I would gladly rebuild it.  I'm  not having trouble with the
| command line, I'm having trouble finding the cirrect thing to rebuild.
|
|> --
|> Vladimir Rusinov
|> Voronezh, Russia
|> UNIX Admin @ Murano Software
|
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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

[Chris Brennan]

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just go 4x4 :D 16 CPU's and 128G of ram  drool

Dale wrote:
| Neil Bothwick wrote:
|> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:39:39 +0100, KH wrote:
|>
|>
|>> only thing I found out until now is that flash is not working. Maybe
|>> this is fixed by now.
|>>
|>
|> Install nspluginwrapper and the vast majority of flash sites work.
|>
|>
|>
|
|
| Progress is being made then.  The last I heard the vast majority of
| software worked so maybe by the time I can build a rig it will be 100%
| working.   is my issue right now.
|
| I would love to build a rig with two dual core CPUs, 4 cores in all.
| Compile times would be pretty short.  ;-)  Woo Ooo.
|
| Dale
|
| :-)  :-)  :-)
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Re: [gentoo-user] intelfb and 945GM

[Pongracz Istvan]

Sergey,

Last time, when I sent my .config file, that has intelfb builtin and
working.
I think, because I also has this kind of integrated video card.
Check that out or drop me a PM if you need to resend.

Cheers,
István

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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

[Dan Farrell]

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:06:07 -0700
"Mark Knecht" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Dan Farrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:00:41 -0700
> >  "Mark Knecht" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Jamie Dobbs
> >  > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  > > I've been away from Gentoo for the last year or so and using
> >  > > Ubuntu but find that I want to return to Gentoo simply because
> >  > > of the level of customization that I can do with it.
> >  >
> >  > Well then, welcome back.
> >  >
> >  > 
> >  > >  Also I'm not running at Athlon X2 system, ifs there any _real_
> >  > > advantage to running AMD64 or should I still to x86?
> >  >
> >  > I run an amd64 as my desktop system. It' started as my 3rd
> >  > machine so at the time it was 64-bit for fun. today I just live
> >  > with it. There are some limitations on the 64-bit platform with
> >  > web-based media, but beyond that I find 32 and 64-bit machines
> >  > to be pretty similar in performance. I run old windows games
> >  > under Wine on 64-bit and they work OK. I think Flash and Java
> >  > have been the two larger issues for me over time. A few
> >  > win32codec issues also. However if I wanted to get around those
> >  > I could probably do something in a chroot but I'm not that
> >  > motivated.
> >  >
> >  > If I was building a desktop machine today I wouldn't build
> >  > 64-bit. I see no advantage and a few disadvantages, but either
> >  > way you go you'll probably be fine.
> >
> >  I use a 64 bit myself and have done so ever since I got tired of
> >  running 32bit and wasting half my CPU.  I recommend running a 32bit
> >  firefox, but other than that, there's no real problems here.  Wine
> >  seems to run a little better in 64 bit than I've seen it perform on
> >  other systems but it's hard to be sure.
> >
> >  Anyhow, just wanted to say I switched from 64 to 32 originally, as
> > Mark suggested, and switched back very quickly.  I don't know if
> > the speed really changed, but it made me feel better about myself.
> >
> 
> It's an interesting question and one I've not tried to test. Does an
> AMD64 machine running a 32-bit or 64-bit install run faster or slower
> with one or the other. For all of my everyday work - Gnome, Firefox,
> web browsing, email, MythTV, etc., it's been my assumption that there
> wouldn't be any noticeble difference. 

for all of the above, the cpu probably isn't going to effect you either
way.  Network/Hard disk is likely to be the bottleneck for all of
them.  MythTV uses an SQL backend and should benefit a little from 64
bit - databases are one of the few places that really benefit from
those extra bits, not sure why.  

GIMP also seems to benefit a little, as does encoding pretty much any
media (especially video).  I'd imagine that inkscape and blender, etc.
would also benefit significantly.  But these results aren't tested,
just mildly observed.  

> I run 64-bit but assume I'd run
> at more or less the same speed if I ran 32-bit. I may be wrong. Anyone
> have any measured data? Same machine, two installs?
> 
I never measured anything, but I wouldn't expect to see too much of a
difference.  If you want to waste your processor's registers, go 32
bit.  If you want to jump through hoops to deal with the greater web
community (flash, java, etc) go 64 bit.  Those are the downsides of
each.  

I highly recommend multilib, though I never chroot into a native 32bit
environment.  You'll want to run a few of your programs 32bit,
probably.  But the two get together really well.  
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Re: [gentoo-user] kopete and msn contacts

[Mick]

On Thursday 13 March 2008, Paul Sobey wrote:
> b.n. wrote:
> > I switched from aMSN to Kopete to have a decent msn client that also
> > works with gtalk.
> >
> > Unfortunately I found that kopete has some kind of bug with MSN
> > contacts. It's apparently impossible to *add* a new contact (if I try,
> > it says nothing just like it's working, but the contact is not added
> > -not in kopete, and not in other clients), and most importantly it does
> > not *delete* contacts. Worst of it all, if I delete contacts in another
> > client, say, aMSN, next time I launch Kopete:
> > - the contact reappear in the Kopete list
> > - if I then close Kopete and open aMSN, the contact I deleted *are
> > indeed added again* to my MSN account!
> >
> > I would prefer to avoid Gaim/Pidgin if possible.
>
> Kopete has always done this for me, it's incredibly annoying. If you
> find a solution please post back here! Since you stipulated GTalk, my
> only recommendation other than Kopete would be Pidgin. If you want an
> MSN-only client at some point you might try Mercury Messenger (Java
> based, very full support, including webcam), or the excellent KMess
> (relatively young, no webcam or other tricks but light, fast and nicely
> integrated into KDE). I've recently discovered the latter and it's now
> my MSN program of choice.
>
> Cheers,
> Paul

I don't really have a solution, just a kludge.  If you feel inclined to 
delete/add contacts you may wish to dive into 
~/.kde3.5/share/apps/kopete/contactlist.xml

An xml or text editor should make it easy to edit the contents.

If no bug has been raised for this, you may want to oblige?
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Re[2]: [gentoo-user] intelfb and 945GM

[Sergey Kobzar]

Good evening Istvan :)

Could you please show your grub config? I mean kernel boot parameters.


Friday, March 14, 2008, 9:50:21 PM, you wrote:

> Sergey,

> Last time, when I sent my .config file, that has intelfb builtin and
> working.
> I think, because I also has this kind of integrated video card.
> Check that out or drop me a PM if you need to resend.

> Cheers,
> Istvan

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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

[Mark Knecht]

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Dan Farrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:06:07 -0700
>  "Mark Knecht" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Dan Farrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  > wrote:
>  > > On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:00:41 -0700
>  > >  "Mark Knecht" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > >
>  > >  > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Jamie Dobbs
>  > >  > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > >  > > I've been away from Gentoo for the last year or so and using
>  > >  > > Ubuntu but find that I want to return to Gentoo simply because
>  > >  > > of the level of customization that I can do with it.
>  > >  >
>  > >  > Well then, welcome back.
>  > >  >
>  > >  > 
>  > >  > >  Also I'm not running at Athlon X2 system, ifs there any _real_
>  > >  > > advantage to running AMD64 or should I still to x86?
>  > >  >
>  > >  > I run an amd64 as my desktop system. It' started as my 3rd
>  > >  > machine so at the time it was 64-bit for fun. today I just live
>  > >  > with it. There are some limitations on the 64-bit platform with
>  > >  > web-based media, but beyond that I find 32 and 64-bit machines
>  > >  > to be pretty similar in performance. I run old windows games
>  > >  > under Wine on 64-bit and they work OK. I think Flash and Java
>  > >  > have been the two larger issues for me over time. A few
>  > >  > win32codec issues also. However if I wanted to get around those
>  > >  > I could probably do something in a chroot but I'm not that
>  > >  > motivated.
>  > >  >
>  > >  > If I was building a desktop machine today I wouldn't build
>  > >  > 64-bit. I see no advantage and a few disadvantages, but either
>  > >  > way you go you'll probably be fine.
>  > >
>  > >  I use a 64 bit myself and have done so ever since I got tired of
>  > >  running 32bit and wasting half my CPU.  I recommend running a 32bit
>  > >  firefox, but other than that, there's no real problems here.  Wine
>  > >  seems to run a little better in 64 bit than I've seen it perform on
>  > >  other systems but it's hard to be sure.
>  > >
>  > >  Anyhow, just wanted to say I switched from 64 to 32 originally, as
>  > > Mark suggested, and switched back very quickly.  I don't know if
>  > > the speed really changed, but it made me feel better about myself.
>  > >
>  >
>  > It's an interesting question and one I've not tried to test. Does an
>  > AMD64 machine running a 32-bit or 64-bit install run faster or slower
>  > with one or the other. For all of my everyday work - Gnome, Firefox,
>  > web browsing, email, MythTV, etc., it's been my assumption that there
>  > wouldn't be any noticeble difference.
>
>  for all of the above, the cpu probably isn't going to effect you either
>  way.  Network/Hard disk is likely to be the bottleneck for all of
>  them.

And I submit that my usage is probably pretty common for most desktop
Linux users. The only performance issue might be emerge.

> MythTV uses an SQL backend and should benefit a little from 64
>  bit - databases are one of the few places that really benefit from
>  those extra bits, not sure why.

Not going to help me. The backend is on a 32-bit SMP machine. I'm
frontend only in my office.

>
>  GIMP also seems to benefit a little, as does encoding pretty much any
>  media (especially video).  I'd imagine that inkscape and blender, etc.
>  would also benefit significantly.  But these results aren't tested,
>  just mildly observed.

Yeah, makes sense.

>
>  > I run 64-bit but assume I'd run
>  > at more or less the same speed if I ran 32-bit. I may be wrong. Anyone
>  > have any measured data? Same machine, two installs?
>  >
>  I never measured anything, but I wouldn't expect to see too much of a
>  difference.  If you want to waste your processor's registers, go 32
>  bit.  If you want to jump through hoops to deal with the greater web
>  community (flash, java, etc) go 64 bit.  Those are the downsides of
>  each.

Yep. I understand the second first hand and probably cannot verify the first.

>
>  I highly recommend multilib, though I never chroot into a native 32bit
>  environment.  You'll want to run a few of your programs 32bit,
>  probably.  But the two get together really well.

As an end-user, non-developer, home-only Gentoo sys admin I don't even
know what multilib is although I see it popping up all the time.
Please don't feel the need to write up anything major. Point me at
some doc that explains why I'd care and I'll read that. Thanks!

Cheers,
Mark
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Re: [gentoo-user] Accept all versions but 9999

[Alan McKinnon]

On Friday 14 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote:
> Alan McKinnon wrote:
> | On Friday 14 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote:
> |>> It was just an idea that came to me, completely untested. Let us
> |>> know if it mostly works out.
> |>
> |> Does this Go with "Mostly Harmless" too?
> |
> | Not really. If it doesn't work, the Vogons drop by to see why.
>
> How about some Poetry ...

My intestines are feeling an urge to leap out my throat and strangle me. 
Lucky for me though, I don't live in Islington!

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Re: [gentoo-user] Accept all versions but 9999

[Chris Brennan]

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Alan McKinnon wrote:
| On Friday 14 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote:
|> Alan McKinnon wrote:
|> | On Friday 14 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote:
|> |>> It was just an idea that came to me, completely untested. Let us
|> |>> know if it mostly works out.
|> |>
|> |> Does this Go with "Mostly Harmless" too?
|> |
|> | Not really. If it doesn't work, the Vogons drop by to see why.
|>
|> How about some Poetry ...
|
| My intestines are feeling an urge to leap out my throat and strangle me.
| Lucky for me though, I don't live in Islington!
|

I do think ... we have hijacked this thread ... was the original
question answered?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

[Alan McKinnon]

On Friday 14 March 2008, Mark Knecht wrote:
> It's an interesting question and one I've not tried to test. Does an
> AMD64 machine running a 32-bit or 64-bit install run faster or slower
> with one or the other.

Simple logic dictates that 32 and 64 apps will *generally* run at 
exactly the same speed, mostly because the amd64 arch is x86 with 64 
bit extensions. Unless your app is compiled to actually use the 64 bit 
features (you'd be surprised just how few are), 32 and 64 bit code 
tends to run at exactly the same speed using exactly the same opcodes 
at exactly the same clock rate.

For any app not using intensive 64 bit arithmetic (super-duper math/sci 
stuff and seriously intensive graphics are the only ones I can think of 
off-hand) it's hard to see a benefit for amd64 with current desktop 
memory loads.

The real benefit of amd64 becomes very obvious when you are dealing with 
apps that consume huge amounts of memory and 3G of addressable space 
for all apps just doesn't cut it. This is the problem amd64 was 
primarily designed to solve. When you have an app that does benefit 
from amd64 - like Sybase IQ just to pull a random selection from a 
hat :-) the difference is astounding.

Conventional desktops? Never seen a benefit yet on a normal desktop.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Accept all versions but 9999

[Alan McKinnon]

On Friday 14 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote:
> Alan McKinnon wrote:

> I do think ... we have hijacked this thread ... was the original
> question answered?

Yes :-) At least until the OP can do some further tests, but he got an 
answer that satisfied him for now

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Re: [gentoo-user] Accept all versions but 9999

[Chris Brennan]

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Alan McKinnon wrote:
| On Friday 14 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote:
|> Alan McKinnon wrote:
|
|> I do think ... we have hijacked this thread ... was the original
|> question answered?
|
| Yes :-) At least until the OP can do some further tests, but he got an
| answer that satisfied him for now
|


Oh OK Good then. So what's next ... shall we suffer the vacuum of space
for twenty-nine seconds?
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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

[Alan McKinnon]

On Friday 14 March 2008, Chuck Robey wrote:
> Vladimir Rusinov wrote:

> > Just add opengl to your use flags and `emerge -v1 =x11-libs/qt-3*`
> > Then, you'll probably need `emerge --update --deep --newuse
> > kde-meta` (or emerge -uDN kde-meta)
>
> You aren't understanding me.  I am fully aware of qt versions 3 and
> 4, and if I was gbuilding them on my own, this wouldn't be a problem,
> but I am trying to use the portage system, and there isnt'any such
> emerge package named like this, at least, none I can find, none
> 'emerge -s qt-3*' could find either.  If you could identify for me
> what the heck the real package name is, I would gladly rebuild it. 
> I'm  not having trouble with the command line, I'm having trouble
> finding the cirrect thing to rebuild.

qt is SLOTted, I think you are simply using the wrong syntax. Using my 
machine as an example (you should also emerge eix, it's so much easier 
and quicker than emerge -s):


[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/bin $ eix -e qt
[I] x11-libs/qt
 Available versions:
(3) 3.3.4-r8 3.3.8-r4
(4) 4.3.2-r1 (~)4.3.3 (~)4.3.4 [M](~)4.4.0_beta1

The SLOTs are "3" and "4"

If I try to update qt, portage will update qt4 as it's the latest 
version. I would have to do something like 

emerge =qt-3.3.8-r4
or the newish syntax incorporating SLOTs
emerge qt:3

You were essentially trying to tell portage to update a package 
called "qt-3", there is no such package. And getting to grips with 
emerge's version number syntax can be a bitch

Does this answer your query?

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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

[Neil Bothwick]

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:58:55 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote:

>  *  The die message:
>  *   Please reemerge =x11-libs/qt-3* with USE="opengl".
> 
> asks me to rebuild something that doesn't exist.

It does exist, the wildcard tells portage to install the latest 3
version. Try doing what it says in the message, although you should quote
the package atom to stop the shell trying to interpret the *.

emerge -1av '=x11-libs/qt-3*'


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Re: [gentoo-user] Skipping static libraries

[Alan McKinnon]

On Friday 14 March 2008, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> is there a way for telling emerge that it should NOT install
> static (.a) libraries ?

I shan't answer your question as I ca never find the answer myself, but 
I keep wanting to do this myself, then I remember why portage 
installs .a by default

A long time ago I read a HUGE thread on b.g.o. about this, the eventual 
conclusion is that after installation of a lib, a user might well want 
to link those libs statically and if they are not there, portage will 
barf big time and has no way to recover or even know what went wrong. 
Then the poor user sits in mystery wondering which package to remerge 
to get the .a

In short, the devs at the time reckoned it was a huge risk at the 
expense of not much disk space (does seem reasonable). Ubuntu can get 
away with this, the user gets what the packager feels like giving them, 
our users have *much* more freedom.

What's your reasoning for wanting to do this?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Accept all versions but 9999

[Alan McKinnon]

On Friday 14 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote:
> Alan McKinnon wrote:
> | On Friday 14 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote:
> |> Alan McKinnon wrote:
> |>
> |> I do think ... we have hijacked this thread ... was the original
> |> question answered?
> |
> | Yes :-) At least until the OP can do some further tests, but he got
> | an answer that satisfied him for now
>
> Oh OK Good then. So what's next ... shall we suffer the vacuum of
> space for twenty-nine seconds?

I honestly don't know what you are on about - this rabbit bone in my 
beard must be interfering with my ability to understand plain English. 
Or maybe it was the insane conversation with the telephone sanitizer 
this morning...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

[Filipe Sousa]

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Mark Knecht wrote:
| On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Dan Farrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| 
| It's an interesting question and one I've not tried to test. Does an

| AMD64 machine running a 32-bit or 64-bit install run faster or slower
| with one or the other. For all of my everyday work - Gnome, Firefox,
| web browsing, email, MythTV, etc., it's been my assumption that there
| wouldn't be any noticeble difference. I run 64-bit but assume I'd run
| at more or less the same speed if I ran 32-bit. I may be wrong. Anyone
| have any measured data? Same machine, two installs?

I have a few numbers from genlop -t

*32-bit*

~ * www-client/mozilla-firefox
~ Sat Dec 29 00:35:39 2007 >>> www-client/mozilla-firefox-2.0.0.11
~   merge time: 11 minutes and 30 seconds.

~ Sat Feb  9 12:43:52 2008 >>> www-client/mozilla-firefox-2.0.0.12
~   merge time: 10 minutes and 44 seconds.

~ * mail-client/mozilla-thunderbird
~ Sat Aug  4 13:25:28 2007 >>> mail-client/mozilla-thunderbird-2.0.0.6
~   merge time: 18 minutes and 49 seconds.

~ Fri Nov 23 12:57:01 2007 >>> mail-client/mozilla-thunderbird-2.0.0.9
~   merge time: 10 minutes and 37 seconds.

~ * kde-base/kdelibs
~ Sat Dec 29 09:31:18 2007 >>> kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.7-r3
~   merge time: 18 minutes and 56 seconds.

~ Sat Dec 29 11:07:40 2007 >>> kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.7-r3
~   merge time: 19 minutes and 37 seconds.

~ Wed Jan 30 20:38:52 2008 >>> kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.8-r3
~   merge time: 18 minutes and 19 seconds.

~ Tue Feb 26 20:16:28 2008 >>> kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.8-r3
~   merge time: 21 minutes and 38 seconds.

* app-office/openoffice
~ Fri Nov 23 19:14:12 2007 >>> app-office/openoffice-2.3.0
~   merge time: 1 hour and 48 seconds.

~ Sat Dec 29 01:35:35 2007 >>> app-office/openoffice-2.3.1
~   merge time: 59 minutes and 56 seconds.

~ Tue Feb  5 11:51:26 2008 >>> app-office/openoffice-2.3.1-r1
~   merge time: 1 hour, 4 minutes and 28 seconds.


*64-bit*

* www-client/mozilla-firefox
~ Tue Jan  1 14:14:50 2008 >>> www-client/mozilla-firefox-2.0.0.11
~   merge time: 8 minutes and 43 seconds.

~ Wed Feb 20 21:39:03 2008 >>> www-client/mozilla-firefox-2.0.0.12
~   merge time: 8 minutes and 39 seconds.

* mail-client/mozilla-thunderbird
~ Tue Jan  1 14:25:01 2008 >>> mail-client/mozilla-thunderbird-2.0.0.9
~   merge time: 9 minutes and 9 seconds.

~ Sun Mar  9 01:22:43 2008 >>> mail-client/mozilla-thunderbird-2.0.0.12
~   merge time: 8 minutes and 2 seconds.

* kde-base/kdelibs
~ Tue Jan  1 11:04:37 2008 >>> kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.7-r3
~   merge time: 16 minutes and 47 seconds.

~ Wed Feb 20 22:01:22 2008 >>> kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.8-r3
~   merge time: 18 minutes and 12 seconds.

* app-office/openoffice
~ Fri Mar 14 21:23:57 2008 >>> app-office/openoffice-2.3.1-r1
~   merge time: 48 minutes and 45 seconds.

These times are from the same machine: 
abit ip35 pro, c2quad q6600 (2.4ghz), 4gb ram, (320+320) sataII raid0 (155-MB/s)


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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

[Dan Farrell]

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:45:21 +
Filipe Sousa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> I have a few numbers from genlop -t
>

Thanks much!  This was interesting for me to read.  I am surprised by
how much faster 64bit system was for compiling these things.  
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[gentoo-user] Docbook

[Daniel Mendler]

Hi!

I have the doc use flag activated globally. A lot of emerges of various
ebuilds fail when generating the documentations (with jade e.g.).

Working on:
/var/tmp/portage/app-doc/xorg-docs-1.4-r1/work/xorg-docs-1.4/sgml/core/Xserver-spec.sgml
jade:/var/tmp/portage/app-doc/xorg-docs-1.4-r1/work/xorg-docs-1.4/sgml/core/Xserver-spec.sgml:4:0:E:
error connecting to "www.oasis-open.org" (Connection refused)
jade:/usr/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl-stylesheets-1.79/html/docbook.dsl:54:137:Q:
number of ID references in start-tag must not exceed GRPCNT (32)
jade:/usr/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl-stylesheets-1.79/html/docbook.dsl:53:0:Q:
number of ID references in start-tag must not exceed GRPCNT (32)
jade:/usr/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl-stylesheets-1.79/html/../common/../common/dbl1bg.ent:168:282:Q:
length of interpreted parameter literal must not exceed LITLEN (240)
jade:/usr/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl-stylesheets-1.79/html/../common/../common/dbl1bg.ent:169:282:Q:
length of interpreted parameter literal must not exceed LITLEN (240)
jade:/usr/share/sgml/docbook/xml-simple-dtd-4.1.2.4/ent/iso-lat1.ent:6:19:E:
"X00E1" is not a function name
jade:/usr/share/sgml/docbook/xml-simple-dtd-4.1.2.4/ent/iso-lat1.ent:7:19:E:
"X00C1" is not a function name

Why does jade try to connect to oasis-open.org? Has someone got similar
problems with documentations?

Daniel
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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

[Mark Knecht]

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Filipe Sousa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> | On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Dan Farrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  |
>  | It's an interesting question and one I've not tried to test. Does an
>  | AMD64 machine running a 32-bit or 64-bit install run faster or slower
>
> | with one or the other. For all of my everyday work - Gnome, Firefox,
>  | web browsing, email, MythTV, etc., it's been my assumption that there
>  | wouldn't be any noticeble difference. I run 64-bit but assume I'd run
>
> | at more or less the same speed if I ran 32-bit. I may be wrong. Anyone
>  | have any measured data? Same machine, two installs?
>
>  I have a few numbers from genlop -t
>

>
>  These times are from the same machine:
>  abit ip35 pro, c2quad q6600 (2.4ghz), 4gb ram, (320+320) sataII raid0 
> (155-MB/s)
>
>  - --
>  Filipe Sousa

Nice numbers and nice machine. Must have set you back a bit. ;-)

It seems when I match up exact revisions you're getting something
between a 10-15% speed increase. Quite nice.

Do we know that the amount code compiled is identical? I imagine
everything you show is correct since the speed increase is pretty
consistent from app to app.

Great stuff. Thanks.

Cheers,
Mark
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Re: [gentoo-user] Status of Gentoo

[Filipe Sousa]

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Mark Knecht wrote:
| On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Filipe Sousa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

| Nice numbers and nice machine. Must have set you back a bit. ;-)

this machine was built by me just for gentoo.

| It seems when I match up exact revisions you're getting something
| between a 10-15% speed increase. Quite nice.
|
| Do we know that the amount code compiled is identical? I imagine
| everything you show is correct since the speed increase is pretty
| consistent from app to app.

the numbers may not be 100% accurate because i'm doing other things
while compiling but i'm pretty happy with the result.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Accept all versions but 9999

[Chris Brennan]

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Alan McKinnon wrote:
| On Friday 14 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote:
|> Alan McKinnon wrote:
|> | On Friday 14 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote:
|> |> Alan McKinnon wrote:
|> |>
|> |> I do think ... we have hijacked this thread ... was the original
|> |> question answered?
|> |
|> | Yes :-) At least until the OP can do some further tests, but he got
|> | an answer that satisfied him for now
|>
|> Oh OK Good then. So what's next ... shall we suffer the vacuum of
|> space for twenty-nine seconds?
|
| I honestly don't know what you are on about - this rabbit bone in my
| beard must be interfering with my ability to understand plain English.
| Or maybe it was the insane conversation with the telephone sanitizer
| this morning...
|


Ok then, a ride on a velvet paisley-covered Chesterfield sofa and we'll
drop in on a match at Lord's Cricket Ground. SEP anyone?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Docbook

[Erik]

Daniel Mendler skrev:

Why does jade try to connect to oasis-open.org? Has someone got similar
problems with documentations?
  


Yes, such problems are quite common:
http://archiver.mailfighter.net/gentoo-user/2007/Sep-Oct-Nov-Dec/0486.html
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[gentoo-user] OT - New USB trackball; how to use?

[Michael Sullivan]

I got a new USB trackball today.  When I plug it into the computer, this
shows up in dmesg:

input: Logitech USB Trackball as /class/input/input6
input: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB Trackball] on
usb-:00:1d.0-1

How would I configure my computer so that I could use this device?

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Re: [gentoo-user] firefox-bin can't see the web but firefox 64-bit and konqueror does.

[Cocoy Dayao]

i apologize if you get this twice now. i got an error message from the  
list saying this message was undelivered by pigeon.gentoo.org, so i am  
resending.


On Mar 13, 2008, at 10:43 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:


On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:48:51 +0800, Cocoy Dayao wrote:


So the family computer at home is my old amd64 running gentoo. mostly
people in the house use it to just check their mail, browse youtube
and play online flash games. i have firefox-bin and firefox 64
installed. it's been running that for years on end. now all of a
sudden, firefox-bin couldn't connect to the internet but firefox 64
and conqueror can. ping, traceroute from the same machine works. i've
check the network settings on -bin, and its configured to point  
direct
to the internet as it should be. no proxy in this house. so i'm  
pretty

sure network is good.


First guess, -bin is using IPv6, check about:config



yep. it was toggled after all.


Also, is there someway to install flash to run with firefox 64? i've
used google and the wiki says the 32-bit firefox is still the only  
one

running for AMD64.


Install nspluginwrapper, which makes 32 bit plugins work with a 64 bit
browser.




i've emerged nspluginwrapper. i won't be using 32-bit firefox anymore.

Thank you! greatly appreciate the help!
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hardware." --Alan Kay


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Re: [gentoo-user] OT - New USB trackball; how to use?

[Chris Brennan]

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just tell gpm/X to use /dev/input/mice (this is most typicly the default
~ device name/location for USB mice ... all 3 of my USB mice have used
the same name/location ... and none were the same make.

Michael Sullivan wrote:
| I got a new USB trackball today.  When I plug it into the computer, this
| shows up in dmesg:
|
| input: Logitech USB Trackball as /class/input/input6
| input: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB Trackball] on
| usb-:00:1d.0-1
|
| How would I configure my computer so that I could use this device?
|
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Re: [gentoo-user] OT - New USB trackball; how to use?

[Dan Farrell]

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:10:54 -0500
Michael Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I got a new USB trackball today.  When I plug it into the computer,
> this shows up in dmesg:
> 
> input: Logitech USB Trackball as /class/input/input6
> input: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB Trackball] on
> usb-:00:1d.0-1
> 
> How would I configure my computer so that I could use this device?
> 

hmm.  no configuration should be necessary.  try to cat /dev/input/mice
and see if things come up when you move the trackball.  If so, make
sure X is using /dev/input/mice and not /dev/input/mouseX. 

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Re: [gentoo-user] firefox-bin can't see the web but firefox 64-bit and konqueror does.

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msg recv'd ... loud and clear ... twice :D no worries

Cocoy Dayao wrote:
| i apologize if you get this twice now. i got an error message from the
| list saying this message was undelivered by pigeon.gentoo.org, so i am
| resending.
|
| On Mar 13, 2008, at 10:43 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
|
|> On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:48:51 +0800, Cocoy Dayao wrote:
|>
|>> So the family computer at home is my old amd64 running gentoo. mostly
|>> people in the house use it to just check their mail, browse youtube
|>> and play online flash games. i have firefox-bin and firefox 64
|>> installed. it's been running that for years on end. now all of a
|>> sudden, firefox-bin couldn't connect to the internet but firefox 64
|>> and conqueror can. ping, traceroute from the same machine works. i've
|>> check the network settings on -bin, and its configured to point direct
|>> to the internet as it should be. no proxy in this house. so i'm pretty
|>> sure network is good.
|>
|> First guess, -bin is using IPv6, check about:config
|>
|
| yep. it was toggled after all.
|
|>> Also, is there someway to install flash to run with firefox 64? i've
|>> used google and the wiki says the 32-bit firefox is still the only one
|>> running for AMD64.
|>
|> Install nspluginwrapper, which makes 32 bit plugins work with a 64 bit
|> browser.
|>
|
|
| i've emerged nspluginwrapper. i won't be using 32-bit firefox anymore.
|
| Thank you! greatly appreciate the help!
| --
| Cocoy
| "People who are really serious about software should make their own
| hardware." --Alan Kay
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Re: [gentoo-user] Accept all versions but 9999

[Gustavo Campos]

Well, if anyone cares about it (emo mode) it worked reasonably nice.
Actually I had a bit less cvs packages then I originally though, but still I
was able to get rid of most of them. Only compiz and scrollkeeper remain.
One because of fusion-icon (how can one live without it?) and other cause of
some nonsense gnome dependecy.

The only real drive-off was some kde-4 and amule-2.2 hardmasking, but
nothing that would make me rip my own throat, for now.

And for instance, I would apprecciate if you guys made some globalized
jokes, I'm a south american and many of the jokes you tell doesn't make too
many sense to me (a-ha, now you know why my english is that crappy) (emo
mode off)

Anyway thanks everyone. And please, be careful with that axe!

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 9:03 PM, Chris Brennan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> |> Alan McKinnon wrote:
> |> | On Friday 14 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote:
> |> |> Alan McKinnon wrote:
> |> |>
> |> |> I do think ... we have hijacked this thread ... was the original
> |> |> question answered?
> |> |
> |> | Yes :-) At least until the OP can do some further tests, but he got
> |> | an answer that satisfied him for now
> |>
> |> Oh OK Good then. So what's next ... shall we suffer the vacuum of
> |> space for twenty-nine seconds?
> |
> | I honestly don't know what you are on about - this rabbit bone in my
> | beard must be interfering with my ability to understand plain English.
> | Or maybe it was the insane conversation with the telephone sanitizer
> | this morning...
> |
>
>
> Ok then, a ride on a velvet paisley-covered Chesterfield sofa and we'll
> drop in on a match at Lord's Cricket Ground. SEP anyone?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Accept all versions but 9999

[Chris Brennan]

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Gustavo Campos wrote:
| Well, if anyone cares about it (emo mode) it worked reasonably nice.
| Actually I had a bit less cvs packages then I originally though, but
| still I was able to get rid of most of them. Only compiz and
| scrollkeeper remain. One because of fusion-icon (how can one live
| without it?) and other cause of some nonsense gnome dependecy.

Damned evil dependencies

| The only real drive-off was some kde-4 and amule-2.2 hardmasking, but
| nothing that would make me rip my own throat, for now.

hardmasks can be a headache if you don't know where to look ... although
the clue *is* in the error msg :D

| And for instance, I would apprecciate if you guys made some globalized
| jokes, I'm a south american and many of the jokes you tell doesn't make
| too many sense to me (a-ha, now you know why my english is that crappy)
| (emo mode off)
|
| Anyway thanks everyone. And please, be careful with that axe!


Ax aside, do you have a towel? I have mine. Alan has his. But do you
have yours?

Maybe we should involve Marvin, "I think you ought to know I'm feeling
very depressed."/DA


| On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 9:03 PM, Chris Brennan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| > wrote:
|
|
|
| Alan McKinnon wrote:
| | On Friday 14 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote:
| |> Alan McKinnon wrote:
| |> | On Friday 14 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote:
| |> |> Alan McKinnon wrote:
| |> |>
| |> |> I do think ... we have hijacked this thread ... was the original
| |> |> question answered?
| |> |
| |> | Yes :-) At least until the OP can do some further tests, but he got
| |> | an answer that satisfied him for now
| |>
| |> Oh OK Good then. So what's next ... shall we suffer the vacuum of
| |> space for twenty-nine seconds?
| |
| | I honestly don't know what you are on about - this rabbit bone in my
| | beard must be interfering with my ability to understand plain English.
| | Or maybe it was the insane conversation with the telephone sanitizer
| | this morning...
| |
|
|
| Ok then, a ride on a velvet paisley-covered Chesterfield sofa and we'll
| drop in on a match at Lord's Cricket Ground. SEP anyone?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Accept all versions but 9999

[Gustavo Campos]

Man, I've got many towels, you woudn't believe.

You know, it's damn fng hot here, sometimes you need to take 2
baths a day (sorry guys, I know water is as precious as women, but if
you come to visit us you'll understand it).

And about Marvin, I'm proud to say that I'm the 42 shirt of my
university soccer team, kinda nerdy for a computer science student
huh?

On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 12:10 AM, Chris Brennan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Gustavo Campos wrote:
> | Well, if anyone cares about it (emo mode) it worked reasonably nice.
> | Actually I had a bit less cvs packages then I originally though, but
> | still I was able to get rid of most of them. Only compiz and
> | scrollkeeper remain. One because of fusion-icon (how can one live
> | without it?) and other cause of some nonsense gnome dependecy.
>
> Damned evil dependencies
>
>
> | The only real drive-off was some kde-4 and amule-2.2 hardmasking, but
> | nothing that would make me rip my own throat, for now.
>
> hardmasks can be a headache if you don't know where to look ... although
> the clue *is* in the error msg :D
>
>
> | And for instance, I would apprecciate if you guys made some globalized
> | jokes, I'm a south american and many of the jokes you tell doesn't make
> | too many sense to me (a-ha, now you know why my english is that crappy)
> | (emo mode off)
> |
> | Anyway thanks everyone. And please, be careful with that axe!
>
>
> Ax aside, do you have a towel? I have mine. Alan has his. But do you
> have yours?
>
> Maybe we should involve Marvin, "I think you ought to know I'm feeling
> very depressed."/DA
>
>
>
> | On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 9:03 PM, Chris Brennan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> | > wrote:
> |
> |
> |
> | Alan McKinnon wrote:
> | | On Friday 14 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote:
> | |> Alan McKinnon wrote:
> | |> | On Friday 14 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote:
> | |> |> Alan McKinnon wrote:
> | |> |>
> | |> |> I do think ... we have hijacked this thread ... was the original
> | |> |> question answered?
> | |> |
> | |> | Yes :-) At least until the OP can do some further tests, but he got
> | |> | an answer that satisfied him for now
> | |>
> | |> Oh OK Good then. So what's next ... shall we suffer the vacuum of
> | |> space for twenty-nine seconds?
> | |
> | | I honestly don't know what you are on about - this rabbit bone in my
> | | beard must be interfering with my ability to understand plain English.
> | | Or maybe it was the insane conversation with the telephone sanitizer
> | | this morning...
> | |
> |
> |
> | Ok then, a ride on a velvet paisley-covered Chesterfield sofa and we'll
> | drop in on a match at Lord's Cricket Ground. SEP anyone?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Accept all versions but 9999

[Chris Brennan]

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Welcome to the Fold! Us nerds should get together and put up the end-all
Guide discussions ... should be pretty awesome :D

Hot, Cold, Wet ... it's all the same .. But taking a bath just to make a
meaningless and preportedly major decision, now that is a feat wholly on
it's own worth noting :D


Gustavo Campos wrote:
| Man, I've got many towels, you woudn't believe.
|
| You know, it's damn fng hot here, sometimes you need to take 2
| baths a day (sorry guys, I know water is as precious as women, but if
| you come to visit us you'll understand it).
|
| And about Marvin, I'm proud to say that I'm the 42 shirt of my
| university soccer team, kinda nerdy for a computer science student
| huh?
|
| On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 12:10 AM, Chris Brennan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
|
|
|
| Gustavo Campos wrote:
| | Well, if anyone cares about it (emo mode) it worked reasonably nice.
| | Actually I had a bit less cvs packages then I originally though, but
| | still I was able to get rid of most of them. Only compiz and
| | scrollkeeper remain. One because of fusion-icon (how can one live
| | without it?) and other cause of some nonsense gnome dependecy.
|
| Damned evil dependencies
|
|
| | The only real drive-off was some kde-4 and amule-2.2 hardmasking, but
| | nothing that would make me rip my own throat, for now.
|
| hardmasks can be a headache if you don't know where to look ... although
| the clue *is* in the error msg :D
|
|
| | And for instance, I would apprecciate if you guys made some globalized
| | jokes, I'm a south american and many of the jokes you tell doesn't make
| | too many sense to me (a-ha, now you know why my english is that crappy)
| | (emo mode off)
| |
| | Anyway thanks everyone. And please, be careful with that axe!
|
|
| Ax aside, do you have a towel? I have mine. Alan has his. But do you
| have yours?
|
| Maybe we should involve Marvin, "I think you ought to know I'm feeling
| very depressed."/DA
|
|
|
| | On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 9:03 PM, Chris Brennan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
|
| | > wrote:
| |
| |
| |
| | Alan McKinnon wrote:
| | | On Friday 14 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote:
| | |> Alan McKinnon wrote:
| | |> | On Friday 14 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote:
| | |> |> Alan McKinnon wrote:
| | |> |>
| | |> |> I do think ... we have hijacked this thread ... was the original
| | |> |> question answered?
| | |> |
| | |> | Yes :-) At least until the OP can do some further tests, but he got
| | |> | an answer that satisfied him for now
| | |>
| | |> Oh OK Good then. So what's next ... shall we suffer the vacuum of
| | |> space for twenty-nine seconds?
| | |
| | | I honestly don't know what you are on about - this rabbit bone in my
| | | beard must be interfering with my ability to understand plain English.
| | | Or maybe it was the insane conversation with the telephone sanitizer
| | | this morning...
| | |
| |
| |
| | Ok then, a ride on a velvet paisley-covered Chesterfield sofa and we'll
| | drop in on a match at Lord's Cricket Ground. SEP anyone?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Accept all versions but 9999

[Gustavo Campos]

>  Welcome to the Fold! Us nerds should get together and put up the end-all
>  Guide discussions ... should be pretty awesome :D

I'm pretty sure we can think an algorithm for that

Maybe even an O(n).

>  Hot, Cold, Wet ... it's all the same .. But taking a bath just to make a
>  meaningless and preportedly major decision, now that is a feat wholly on
>  it's own worth noting :D

I'd like to say that I believed one day I would run off the bath,
naked, screaming "eureka, I found the linear-time solution for the
travelling salesman", but I'm actually more likely to run off, naked
as well, but screaming:  "damnit, I forgot my lunch on the fire!"

>
>
>
>  Gustavo Campos wrote:
>  | Man, I've got many towels, you woudn't believe.
>  |
>  | You know, it's damn fng hot here, sometimes you need to take 2
>  | baths a day (sorry guys, I know water is as precious as women, but if
>  | you come to visit us you'll understand it).
>  |
>  | And about Marvin, I'm proud to say that I'm the 42 shirt of my
>  | university soccer team, kinda nerdy for a computer science student
>  | huh?
>  |
>  | On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 12:10 AM, Chris Brennan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  wrote:
>  |
>  |
>  |
>
>
> | Gustavo Campos wrote:
>  | | Well, if anyone cares about it (emo mode) it worked reasonably nice.
>  | | Actually I had a bit less cvs packages then I originally though, but
>  | | still I was able to get rid of most of them. Only compiz and
>  | | scrollkeeper remain. One because of fusion-icon (how can one live
>  | | without it?) and other cause of some nonsense gnome dependecy.
>  |
>  | Damned evil dependencies
>  |
>  |
>  | | The only real drive-off was some kde-4 and amule-2.2 hardmasking, but
>  | | nothing that would make me rip my own throat, for now.
>  |
>  | hardmasks can be a headache if you don't know where to look ... although
>  | the clue *is* in the error msg :D
>  |
>  |
>  | | And for instance, I would apprecciate if you guys made some globalized
>  | | jokes, I'm a south american and many of the jokes you tell doesn't make
>  | | too many sense to me (a-ha, now you know why my english is that crappy)
>  | | (emo mode off)
>  | |
>  | | Anyway thanks everyone. And please, be careful with that axe!
>  |
>  |
>  | Ax aside, do you have a towel? I have mine. Alan has his. But do you
>  | have yours?
>  |
>  | Maybe we should involve Marvin, "I think you ought to know I'm feeling
>  | very depressed."/DA
>  |
>  |
>  |
>  | | On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 9:03 PM, Chris Brennan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  |
>  | | > wrote:
>  | |
>  | |
>  | |
>  | | Alan McKinnon wrote:
>  | | | On Friday 14 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote:
>  | | |> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>  | | |> | On Friday 14 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote:
>  | | |> |> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>  | | |> |>
>  | | |> |> I do think ... we have hijacked this thread ... was the original
>  | | |> |> question answered?
>  | | |> |
>  | | |> | Yes :-) At least until the OP can do some further tests, but he got
>  | | |> | an answer that satisfied him for now
>  | | |>
>  | | |> Oh OK Good then. So what's next ... shall we suffer the vacuum of
>  | | |> space for twenty-nine seconds?
>  | | |
>  | | | I honestly don't know what you are on about - this rabbit bone in my
>  | | | beard must be interfering with my ability to understand plain English.
>  | | | Or maybe it was the insane conversation with the telephone sanitizer
>  | | | this morning...
>  | | |
>  | |
>  | |
>  | | Ok then, a ride on a velvet paisley-covered Chesterfield sofa and we'll
>  | | drop in on a match at Lord's Cricket Ground. SEP anyone?
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