Possible proposal: Catacomb joining the ASF - first steps

[Gianugo Rabellino]

I became involved in the last few months in the Catacomb effort 
(http://www.webdav.org/catacomb). For those of you who don't know this 
project, it's all about building a mod_dav plugin/provider that, using a 
RDBMS as a backend, provides some advanced WebDAV features such as DASL 
and DeltaV.

The project started as a UCSC research project but it does have a good 
deal of external contributors as well. It's, community wise, still a bit 
in its infancy, expecially from the governance POV, but the codebase is 
OK, at least as a starting point.

Since when I started working with it, I thought that Catacomb could be a 
very good addition for the httpd folks: IMHO it's the typical win-win 
situation, where Apache gains knowleadgeble folks in a very important 
area as well as a pretty robust codebase with cool features and Catacomb 
gets much more visibility (and outside help, and diffusion, and all the 
yadda-yadda...).

This said, and after having reached consensus on the Catacomb mailing 
list, I've started to consider how to move forward, and this is why I'm 
requiring your assistence. The first and foremost question is 
understanding whether Catacomb should really undergo the incubation 
process: it's a small and pretty straightforward codebase (less than 
13000 SLOC) which doesn't really qualify even as a module, being a 
"module's module" given the current mod_dav architecture. I'm somehow 
wondering, as a starting point, if this could be considered "just" a 
simple code donation or if it would be advisable, since it requires 
adding a fair bunch of people as committers, to approach it in the 
established way, as a fully fledged incubation process.

I'm open to either opportunities, and willing to help the Catacomb 
community enter Apache doing all the boring "paperwork" if there is 
interest on this side of the fence too. Mind you, I'm not an ASF member, 
so I would also like to know if there is someone among you willing to 
champion this proposal while counting on my help. Also, please note that 
I'm not of course part of the httpd PMC, so if you need some input keep 
me in CC (or just discuss it on [EMAIL PROTECTED]).

Comments?

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Re: [Summary ]Re: [TEST+VOTE] Lenya 1.2 Release

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Jun 11, 2004, at 4:33 PM, Steven Noels wrote:

What is your take on the readiness of Lenya to leave the Incubator, 
and on
the question of putting out a milestone?  Just as a reminder, the
distribution would have to be tagged as an incubator distribution, 
not an
ASF release.
(soapbox-mode)
My take is that - at last, and pushed forward primarily by the group 
of non-Wyona, newbie committers - the urgent need for release and exit 
has been recognized and is in the process of being addressed 
adequately. For one reason or another, this has never been pushed 
forward by the original donators, but now, the momentum has changed to 
a positive effect.

All this being considered, I'm +1 on release and consecutively exit 
from the incubator.

I'll be carefully looking after ASF brand abuse however in the 
forthcoming months. This entire incubation episode has left me with 
dubious feelings: for a long time, I've been thinking that Lenya would 
be a sad example of premature ASF donation.

Uhm, I'm a bit at loss here: how could you suggest an incubator exit 
*AND* warn against potential brand abuse talking about dubious 
feelings? If there are any problems (sorry, I don't know Lenya enough 
to go beyond belly thoughts, so I won't state my inaccurate position 
here), shouldn't they be faced _inside_ the incubator?

(which brings me to something that I've been wondering for a long time: 
I understand that incubation has two possible exit codes, but do you 
*really* envision any project being kicked off the ASF? I could 
envision a project deciding not to go any further and fail voluntarily 
incubation, but I just can't imagine the incubator kicking 
people/projects out. Hmmm... yeah, I should just STFU since I basically 
don't know a thing about the incubation process, I assume you guys have 
been through this)

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Re: [VOTE] add Dominique Pfister to Jackrabbit committers

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Mar 4, 2005, at 12:24 PM, Stefan Guggisberg wrote:
I hereby nominate Dominique Pfister (dominique.pfister  day.com)
on the basis of his sustained interest, quality of work, and desire
to contribute to the project on a long-term basis. Please vote
with your +1 for yes, +0 for abstain, or -1 (not at this time).
+1
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Re: Roles (was OFBiz proposal)

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On Jan 27, 2006, at 4:36 PM, J Aaron Farr wrote:


And as for OFBiz itself, both David and I are willing to mentor and
others have said they'll step up to the role if necessary.  Do you
want me to update the proposal or is it fine as it is?


I've been just lurking so far since I didn't have any time left to  
follow up closely, but I'm more than willing to help as well.


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Re: [Wicket] As erspective podling candidate

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Mar 3, 2006, at 5:31 PM, Alex Karasulu wrote:


Hiya,

I've been following the Wicket project (http:// 
wicket.sourceforge.net) for some time now and have noticed that  
besides having an awesome web framework they've got a solid  
community behind it all.  These folks have great collaboration  
going on and the code is all ASL.


I'm posting this email to guage the interest at the ASF for  
bringing wicket into the incubator.  I've had a few conversations  
with Apache people and wicket folks about this.


Any thoughts? Comments?


Well, Wicket is a very nice project, and I would love to see it  
coming over here. Also, this might be a way for me to finally kick my  
lazy butt and start helping out in the incubator, so if you need a  
mentor or help of any kind, I'm here!


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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Jackrabbit to TLP status (pending board approval)

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Mar 13, 2006, at 9:52 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:


Roy T. Fielding wrote:

On Mar 13, 2006, at 9:02 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Can you confirm the community diversity?  That is one thing I  
could not tell
straight off, although I do note the comment in July 2005 about  
crossing the
threshold, and observe that there have been at least 4  
committers  added

since then.  So I'm assuming that it is fine, and therefore +1.

Good point.  Here is the current list of committers and their last
known affiliation


I'm counting 8 employees of Day who are not-Roy (I trust you  
particularly
to know how to wear two different hats) and 6 non-employees  
constituting
the initial PMC.  As such, I'm afraid I must cast -1 at this time  
soley

on the issue of diversity, to graduate this to a TLP.  That vote would
change as diversity continues to increase (which I trust it will.)

I wouldn't have the same concern graduating this podling into a  
diverse
TLP as a new subproject, so I cast +1 at graduating into an  
existing TLP.
As a subproject of a larger existing PMC they would address the  
issue of
diversity in that forum, instead of in incubator, and this would be  
fine.


Another option is for some existing PPMC members unaffiliated with Day
to stay on as mentors of a new TLP, rather than retiring just yet.


Well, if that helps a very deserving project to be graduated, I'll be  
more than happy to keep on serving in its PMC. I asked to be turned  
into emeritus because all I did during these years was providing  
advocacy and oversight (given Roy was there, this basically turned  
out to a few +1, but hey), with no code contribution whatsoever. But  
I'm still here and willing to help.


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Re: Jini Head's Up

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Apr 17, 2006, at 12:38 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:



http://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0604&L=jini- 
users&F=&S=&P=4029


Yes.  Sun is quite serious about proposing JINI to go through  
Incubation.
We should hear from them very soon, but in the meantime, if there  
are some
folks who would like to help Mentor the project, please let the PMC  
know.


I would be glad to do so.

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Re: Proposal for Lenya

[Gianugo Rabellino]

Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:

Anybody else with comments, either positive or negative?

Just a few thoughts: I spent this morning browsing the Lenya code from
CVS and so far I have mixed feelings about the project. Basically I'm
unable to see an "architecture" in the whole codebase, it seems to me
more a set of Cocoon components glued together around specific project
needs than a real CMS framework.
This said, Lenya can be a good starting point to talk about a CMS built
upon Cocoon, even if I foresee major changes and challenges forthcoming.
It seems to me anyway that the Wyona guys are more than open for
discussing it and well aware that this Apache incubation might lead to
something radically different to what they got until now, and this is
good news.
In short: they have a codebase, and they have a good community around
it, so here is my (informal) +1 to this incubation, together with a
personal commitment to follow closely this project and help wherever I can.
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Re: AW: AW: We want to donate a XML / Cocoon / EJB / WebStart - basedCMS

[Gianugo Rabellino]

Sascha-Matthias Kulawik wrote:

Anyway, even though I might sound a bit pessimistic, I just wanted to 
warn you that the process of acceptance and incubation might 
be longer 
than you would expect.


Yes, that's possible. But however, my main focus is to code this project
into the future. So it would be really nice to become an Apache
(Sub-)Project and find some really interested contributors.
I, for one, am very interested in CMS (though I have to say that I don't 
believe J2EE and CMS mix really well). It's pretty hard, however, to 
judge your software based on the resources we can see from here (a 
german web site and a webstart admin tool which requires a password). So 
far it sure looks interesting, but my friendly advice would be to open 
it up as soon as possible (either on SourceForge or on your own 
infrastructure) and see if you can get some external contribution.

Count on me at least for an evaluation: I can't help much since I'm just 
an ASF committer and not a member, but I'll be happy anyway to see if I 
can do anything useful.

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Re: !AW: AW: AW: We want to donate a XML / Cocoon / EJB / WebStart- based CMS

[Gianugo Rabellino]

Sascha-Matthias Kulawik wrote:

It's pretty hard, however, to 
judge your software based on the resources we can see from here (a 
german web site and a webstart admin tool which requires a 
password). So 


Yes, you're right, the Website is german. Thats why I just want to start
with the "process" and do the remaining stuff for that donation in that
time.
Unfortunately (well, for you, not for Apache :-)) it doesn't work like 
this with the ASF. If you carefully read all the project guidelines and 
incubation proposals you'll see that to get into Apache you have to 
follow a very strict set of requirements in terms of community first and 
 code base next (but community is what really matters).

While I understand that it might sound harsh to you (the typical 
reaction is like "what the heck, I'm givin my cool stuff away and those 
guys are being picky?"), this is one of the main reasons for Apache to 
continue serving just the best of breed in Open Source software. If 
you'll be patient enough, I'm sure you'll learn to appreciate the 
"Apache Way".


Because of ongoing server problems you can test the Application under:
http://213.252.141.109/admin/ 
To get access to the Admin Tool try following:
User: BT
Passwd: test
Hmmm... I'm getting an 'Error during logon: "null"' which doesn't seem 
much promising. :-/

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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Cordova podling from Apache Incubator

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Oct 9, 2012, at 3:24 PM, Steven Gill  wrote:

> This is a call for vote to graduate the Cordova podling from Apache
> Incubator.

+1 (mentor)

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Adding myself as a mentor for Stonehenge

[Gianugo Rabellino]

Hi there,

as the stonehenge community is about to perform some soul searching
about its future, I would be happy to help out in the process. It is
my understanding that existing mentors could use an helping hand, and
I am more than willing to chime in. In no one objects, I will sign up
as a mentor and do my best to help.

general@ folks: I don't think this operation needs to be sanctioned
with a formal vote, but do slap my wrist if I am jumping the gun.

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Re: [PROPOSAL] Lucene.Net return to the Incubator

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Troy Howard  wrote:
> All,
>
> Please review our proposal for moving the Lucene.Net project back to
> the Incubator.

I am happy to support this proposal and signed up as a mentor.

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Re: [VOTE] Accept Lucene.Net for incubation

[Gianugo Rabellino]

+1

From: Tommaso Teofili
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 1:10
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Accept Lucene.Net for incubation
+1
Tommaso

2011/1/27 Stefan Bodewig 

> On 2011-01-27, Troy Howard wrote:
>
> > Since posting the Lucene.Net Incubator proposal announcement on Jan
> > 12th, we now have three mentors signed up and would like to call a
> > vote to accept Lucene.Net into the Apache Incubator.
>
> > The proposal is included below and can also be found at:
>
> > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/Lucene.Net%20Proposal
>
> > Please cast your votes:
>
> > [X] +1 Accept Lucene.Net for incubation
> > [ ] +0 Don't care
> > [ ] -1 Reject for the following reason:
>
> +1
>
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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Lucene.Net 2.9.2-incubating-RC2

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:17 AM, Troy Howard  wrote:
>
> [ ] +1 Release this package as Apache Lucene.Net 2.9.2-incubating
> [ ] -1 Do not release this package because...

+1 (binding)

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Re: [VOTE] Retire Stonehenge

[Gianugo Rabellino]

+1, although I'd rather see it go in the "dormant" section. Also, I
would have rather see this vote happen on stonehenge-dev first, but
it's not that big of a deal.

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On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Daniel Kulp  wrote:
>
> The Stonehenge project pretty much accomplished what it originally set out to
> do and then really didn't find a way to transition to something that is longer
> lasting and able to develop a community around it.     Lately, there has been
> no interest in it as evidence by the last commit being almost a year ago.  The
> only recent activity on the dev list is about retiring it and notices about
> missing board reports.
>
> Please vote for the retiring of the Stonehenge podling:
>
> [] +1 - please retire
> [] +/-0
> [] -1 - please don't retire, because...
>
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] PhoneGap for Apache Incubator

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Brian LeRoux  wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I would like to propose PhoneGap to be an Apache Incubator project.
> (Under the new, still proposed name, Apache Callback.)

Awesome, as a Phonegap enthusiast I'm really looking forward to it -
and I'm happy to sign up as a mentor (gianugo at apache.org).

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Re: [PROPOSAL] PhoneGap for Apache Incubator

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Jukka Zitting  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 1:57 AM, Brian LeRoux  wrote:
>> I would like to propose PhoneGap to be an Apache Incubator project.
>> (Under the new, still proposed name, Apache Callback.)
>>
>> Here's a link to the proposal in the current PhoneGap wiki:
>> http://wiki.phonegap.com/w/page/46311152/apache-callback-proposal
>
> Any more questions/comments about this proposal? If not, I suggest we
> start the vote tomorrow.

I think we're good. The one thing I'd like to do is asking to add
another committer to the roster. Abu Obeida Bakhach
 has been following the WP7 part of Phonegap
and would be happy to continue helping out at least on that front. As
he was a Stonehenge committer, he should already have a CLA on file
and an Apache ID. Obeida works in my team and I already checked with
him - he'd be eager to help. Can I just go ahead and edit the
proposal?

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Re: [PROPOSAL] PhoneGap for Apache Incubator

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:49 AM, Christian Grobmeier  wrote:
>>> Any more questions/comments about this proposal? If not, I suggest we
>>> start the vote tomorrow.
>>
>> I think we're good. The one thing I'd like to do is asking to add
>> another committer to the roster. Abu Obeida Bakhach
>>  has been following the WP7 part of Phonegap
>> and would be happy to continue helping out at least on that front. As
>> he was a Stonehenge committer, he should already have a CLA on file
>> and an Apache ID. Obeida works in my team and I already checked with
>> him - he'd be eager to help. Can I just go ahead and edit the
>> proposal?
>
> Yes, please go ahead.

Thanks - on the same line Obeida pointed out how Sergey Grebnov has
been doing the bulk of the actual work, and I took the libery (after
checking with Sergey) to add him to the roster.

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Re: [VOTE] Accept Apache Callback for incubation

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Jukka Zitting  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As discussed, the PhoneGap project would like to enter the Incubator
> under the Apache Callback name (potential alternative names to be
> discussed during incubation). The initial proposal has been well
> received and there are no major open issues, so it's time to vote!
>
> Thus I'm now calling a formal VOTE on the Apache Callback proposal as
> included below. The proposal is also available at
> http://wiki.phonegap.com/w/page/46311152/apache-callback-proposal on
> the PhoneGap wiki, and I'll place a copy for our archives on the
> Incubator wiki as soon as it stops giving me internal server errors.
>
> Please VOTE:
>
>    [ ] +1 Accept Apache Callback for incubation
>    [ ] -1  Don't accept Apache Callback for incubation because...

+1 (binding)

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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Clerezza

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
 wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür
>  wrote:
>> ...The full proposal can be found on the wiki at:
>>
>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ClerezzaProposal
> ...
>
> And we are looking for mentors!

You just got your first one. LMK how I can assist.

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Re: [VOTE] Accept Apache Clerezza into the incubator

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür
 wrote:
> Please vote on accepting Apache Clerezza for incubation at the Apache
> Incubator. The full proposal is available at the end of this message and
> as a wiki page at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ClerezzaProposal
> . We ask the Incubator PMC
> to sponsor it, with Bertrand as the Champion, and Gianugo, Niclas, Ross,
> Karl and Reinhard volunteering to be Mentors.
>
> Please cast your votes:

+1

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Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement Interoperability Services (CMIS)

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
 wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Goetz, Paul  wrote:
>
>> ...Alignment
>> Apache Chemistry aims to build a CMIS implementation, too. The focus for 
>> OpenCMIS is to provide a
>> self-contained client library for CMIS for Java only - while Chemistry is 
>> aiming at a broader scope, as
>> it started from a JCR/Jackrabbit based approach and is planning to support 
>> Javascript as well.
>> As the APIs are pretty different right now, contributing the OpenCMIS code 
>> to Chemistry will
>> be very hard to do - but on a mid-term perspective, we will review our 
>> options to merge
>> OpenCMIS with Chemistry
>
> I'm not sure if having two podlings implementing CMIS is a good idea.

I second that. Although I am, in principle, interested, I'd like to
know more about what would differentiate OpenCMIS from Chemistry, and
why is this duplication a good thing. From your proposal, I seem to
understand you are more focused on the CMIS client side, yet I would
like to understand a bit more what's missing from the client Chemistry
bit.

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Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement Interoperability Services (CMIS)

[Gianugo Rabellino]

Paul, thanks for your reply. Some quick comments:

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Goetz, Paul  wrote:
> Hi Bertrand, hi Giuanugo,
>
> we discussed that with Florent Guillaume (from Chemistry) already.
>
> There are two aspects here, let me start with the technical one:
> As stated in the proposal: Chemistry aims to have a broader scope (including 
> server implementations and mappings to JCR). OpenCMIS is about protocol 
> handling (SOAP and AtomPub) only.

>From 10.000 feet, it seems like OpenCMIS might be used by Chemistry, then?

> At least to me (as a CMIS consumer), Chemistry is difficult to understand 
> since both parts (SPI and API) are not clearly separated. With OpenCMIS, we 
> aim for a clear separation between provider interfaces (SPI) and client 
> interfaces (API). What's also missing from my perspective is a better 
> mechanism for the client to control the write-through operations behind the 
> objects.

Let me see if I'm getting it straight - what you are saying is that it
would be hard to decouple Chemistry from JCR so that you might use it
for another server implementation? If that's the case, I (kinda, as
JCR should be pretty OK to that extent) see your point - otherwise I'm
a bit lost I'm afraid.

> The second aspect is organizational:
> It will be difficult to align the APIs right now. When discussing that with 
> Florent we came to the conclusion that either we start a sandbox in 
> Chemistry, or we start a project in parallel.
> After some further discussions (involving Justin Erenkrantz to get some 
> guidance), we decided for a new project to avoid the confusion of having two 
> API approaches in one project.
> Therefore we would suggest to start with a new podling, and decide on how to 
> do a merge/combination of Chemistry and OpenCMIS later.

I wish this discussion happened on chemistry-dev, and I would actually
like to see what the community as a whole thinks about it. I'd
actually prefer to see OpenCMIS possibly spinning off from Chemistry
after an unsuccessful integration attempt rather than merging at a
later time.

> And there are other Apache products co-existing in parallel (e.g. Axis and 
> CXF, just to pick one example), and the ASF has never stated that this has to 
> be avoided. So to me, it seemed that the idea of having two projects in 
> parallel isn't that bad.

Oh, there are plenty, and duplication isn't inherently bad. The
difference here (and it's a big one in my book) is that we are talking
about two different podlings, with all the related issues of
incubating projects such as finite resources and whatnot. And the fact
they both aim to implement an unfinished spec doesn't quite help.

May I suggest we move this discussion to the Chemistry lists in order
to seek consensus over there? That would allow you to return to the
Incubator with a proposal  properly addressing the duplication issue.
If there is a thorough discussion over there, and a general agreement
(including agreeing to disagree), I'll be happy to sign up as a
mentor/champion for OpenCMIS.

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Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement Interoperability Services (CMIS)

[Gianugo Rabellino]

Florian,

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Florian Müller  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I can talk a bit about the OpenCMIS architecture. That might help to 
> distinguish it from Chemistry.



> I hope that helps.

It does, thanks for sharing. However, it would help a lot more as a
foundation for a discussion with a more knowledgeable community such
as the Chemistry one.

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Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement Interoperability Services (CMIS)

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Goetz, Paul  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> well, sorry that the discussion did not happen on the Chemistry mailing list.
>
> But for those being employees needing a legal clearance from their employer, 
> before they can contribute or mail to a mailing list, it is difficult to do 
> that in an early stage...

I understand and sympathize, but if this is the kind of issues you are
facing, I would suggest that you have much bigger problems to solve
than an Open Source project. Actually, your statement is extremely
worrisome, as you should be aware that in Apache you have to act as an
individual: it's fine that you bring your company agenda to the table,
but it's also important that you are able to decide based on pure
technical merit and exercise your judgement as an individual. If you
don't feel that's the case - and indeed I can smell some issues here -
maybe the ASF is not the right place for you and you will find a more
corporate-friendly environment somewhere else (Eclipse comes to mind).

> We have a working code base already - discussing the modus operandi and a 
> potential merge with Chemistry seems to be time consuming to me (compared to 
> doing a review once the entire OpenCMIS code is available and stabilized). 
> Wouldn't it be worth to give it a try?

I'm not going to formally stop you, but I would say that "giving it a
try" just for the sake of it is not quite the right way to start. You
have to realize that incubating a project requires time and dedication
from the Incubator PMC as a whole, from your mentors and from the
champion: it's no small feat by any stretch of imagination. Letting
you start incubating without properly scrutinizing the issue of how
you might relate with another podling just because your employer makes
it difficult to have an open discussion to a mailing list doesn't
sound a single bit right to me.

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Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement Interoperability Services (CMIS)

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Michael Wechner
 wrote:
> Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>>
>> As Gianugo says, the Chemistry folks are certainly the best people to
>> judge (together with you guys of course) whether your ideas can be
>> incorporated in Chemistry, or are better off in a separate project.
>>
>> The Incubator's position is very probably that it's fine to have
>> different projects working on similar things, but in general we're all
>> for strong communities, and if you guys can join forces with Chemistry
>> from the start that's probably a better way to build a strong
>> community.
>>
>
> well, let's be honest: Merging communities can be a very difficult thing
> (from both sides)
>
> I don't think it's a problem to have two CMIS projects. I think the
> important thing is that
> each project is able to build a "healthy" community around code of great
> quality and that
> the communications/processes are transparent.
>
> I understand that from the outside it looks odd to have two or even several
> projects of the same topic, but evolution is variation (with some
> balance though ;-)

Michael,

don't get me wrong, I have no objections in principle for having two
or more competing projects. It's just that my bar is higher in this
case, as:

- we are talking about two podlings, which IIRC is a first;

- they both aim to implement a moving target;

- the prospective OpenCMIS community started seemingly with the wrong
foot by not addressing the Chemistry community first and looking for
potential mutual engagements, despite being in the best possible
situation, such as having a committer in common;

- when asked to try and contact Chemistry, Paul chalked it up as time consuming;

- the proposal came in with no candidate champion or mentors.

None of the above issues is a blocker, but the sum of the parts
doesn't give me exactly a warm, fuzzy feeling. I would appreciate the
proponents having a discussion with Chemistry first. If OpenCMIS,
however, prefers to skip that step and manages to score champions and
mentors, I won't stand in the way.

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Re: Lucene Connector Framework Proposal - Looking for one more mentor

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Grant Ingersoll  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The Lucene PMC is looking for one more mentor for a new project we hope to 
> incubate based on some initial code from MetaCarta called the Lucene 
> ConnectorFramework.  Most of the details are in 
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/LuceneConnectorFrameworkProposal, but we're 
> not quite done there yet to call a vote.  One of the things we are missing is 
> one last mentor, so I thought I'd reach out to the community and see if 
> anyone is willing to step up and help mentor.

Very interesting - count me in.

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Re: [VOTE] Incubate Lucene Connector Framework

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Grant Ingersoll  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Given the lack of response on the proposal, I'll assume lazy consensus and 
> call a vote.
>
> On behalf of the Lucene PMC, I'd like to propose incubation for a new Lucene
> subproject called the Lucene Connector Framework (LCF). I think we have all 
> the
> necessary bits in place for the proposal to go forward.
>
> Proposal: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/LuceneConnectorFrameworkProposal
>
> [] +1. Accept LCF into the Incubator.
> [] 0.  Don't care.
> [] -1. Do not accept (and why.)

+1

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Re: [VOTE] Copyright issue (ESME-47)

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
 wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 1:59 AM, Ralph Goers  
> wrote:
>> ...I suggest you review the thread that was provided and then see if you 
>> want to reconsider your veto
>
> As this vote is not about a technical issue, I don't think there are
> vetos - we should have explicitely specified that this is a majority
> vote.
>
> Robert and Gianugo, did you mean to veto this with your -1s, or just
> express your disagreement with the majority?

"Just" a strong disagreement.

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Re: [VOTE] Copyright issue (ESME-47)

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Santiago Gala  wrote:
>> Robert and Gianugo, did you mean to veto this with your -1s, or just
>> express your disagreement with the majority?
>
> I might be thick or gmail buggy, but where is Gianugo's -1 ? I can't find 
> it...

I just replied to the wrong email which wasn't cc'd here, apologies.
So let me restate here: it's a non-binding, non-vetoeing -1 based on
the fact I think this solution is (a) incompatible with our own policy
and (b) makes a special case for an individual which is both unfair
(towards people and organizations who contributed significantly more)
and a precedent for others to claim they should receive the same
treatment.

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Re: [VOTE] Copyright issue (ESME-47)

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Gianugo Rabellino  wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Santiago Gala  
> wrote:
>>> Robert and Gianugo, did you mean to veto this with your -1s, or just
>>> express your disagreement with the majority?
>>
>> I might be thick or gmail buggy, but where is Gianugo's -1 ? I can't find 
>> it...
>
> I just replied to the wrong email which wasn't cc'd here, apologies.
> So let me restate here: it's a non-binding, non-vetoeing -1 based on

[...]

I should add: this is not an attempt to rehash a discussion that has
been going on forever, merely a due justification for a -1 as my
arguments have been expressed on esme-dev and not here.

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Resigning (again?) from River mentorship

[Gianugo Rabellino]

Howdy,

I seem to clearly recall that I sent a message a while ago stating
that I didn't have quite enough time to follow River with the
attention it deserves. It seems that one fell through some cracks
(most likely sitting in one of my draft folders) and I was reminded
that indeed I am still listed. It seems that the River project is
doing just fine without me anyways :) so let's have some spring
cleaning and consider this as my resignation as a mentor of River.

Good luck folks!

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Re: [VOTE] Approve the release of apache-esme-1.0-RC1-incubating

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 5:42 AM, Richard Hirsch  wrote:
> The ESME community has voted on and approved the release of
> apache-esme-1.0-RC1-incubating.
> We would now like to request the approval of the Incubator PMC for this 
> release.

Let me restate my +1 (IPMC hat) here.

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Re: [DISCUSS] Amber proposal

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Simone Gianni  wrote:
> So, we decided that it was worth to file a proposal for incubation, and we
> started writing one here : http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/AmberProposal .

Simone,

looks great - I signed up as a mentor, although I see you are already
in great company!

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Re: [VOTE][PROPOSAL] Amber incubator

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 12:48 AM, Simone Gianni  wrote:
> I would like to present for a vote the following proposal to be sponsored by
> the Shindig PMC for a new "Amber" podling.  The goal is to build a community
> around delivering a OAuth v1.0, v1.0a and upcoming v2.0 API and
> implementation

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Re: November 2010 Incubator Status Report - Update 2

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Noel J. Bergman  wrote:
> Missing reports: Droids, HISE, Stonehenge
>
>  - Stonehenge appears to have been dead since July, when it made a
> milestone release, and is discussing being archived.  There appears to be
> disappointment over the perceived disappearance of Microsoft and WSO2.

Just for the sake of completeness, it's not really like Microsoft has
disappeared as MS committers have been the ones suggesting the project
folds down and, despite missing the board report deadline, are active
in ensuring a smooth transition to whatever is next for the project.
As discussed on the Stonehenge mailing list, it just seems the the
project - as it has been scoped - has matured to a point where there
is little value to add (also given the technology landscape wrt WS-I).
It should also be noted that other key contributors (Sun and Spring)
appear to have already left the building.

Now that I am relocated in Redmond (and, incidentally, working next
door to Kamaljit Bath who is one of the main MS contributors), I am
willing to help streamlining this transition and support closing down
the project unless someone in the community is interested in keeping
it alive.

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Re: [VOTE] ESME Graduation to TLP

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Richard Hirsch  wrote:
> Establish the Apache ESME Project

+1!

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Re: [VOTE] CloudStack for Apache Incubator

[Gianugo Rabellino]

+1 (binding)


From: Kevin Kluge
Sent: 4/9/2012 18:32
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: [VOTE] CloudStack for Apache Incubator
Hi All.  I'd like to call for a VOTE for CloudStack to enter the
Incubator.  The proposal is available at [1] and I have also included
it below.   Please vote with:
+1: accept CloudStack into Incubator
+0: don't care
-1: do not accept CloudStack into Incubator (please explain the objection)

The vote is open for at least 72 hours from now (until at least 19:00
US-PST on April 12, 2012).

Thanks for the consideration.

-kevin

[1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/CloudStackProposal




Abstract

CloudStack is an IaaS ("Infrastracture as a Service") cloud
orchestration platform.

Proposal

CloudStack provides control plane software that can be used to create
an IaaS cloud. It includes an HTTP-based API for user and
administrator functions and a web UI for user and administrator
access. Administrators can provision physical infrastructure (e.g.,
servers, network elements, storage) into an instance of CloudStack,
while end users can use the CloudStack self-service API and UI for the
provisioning and management of virtual machines, virtual disks, and
virtual networks.

Citrix Systems, Inc. submits this proposal to donate the CloudStack
source code, documentation, websites, and trademarks to the Apache
Software Foundation ("ASF").

Background

Amazon and other cloud pioneers invented IaaS clouds. Typically these
clouds provide virtual machines to end users. CloudStack additionally
provides baremetal OS installation to end users via a self-service
interface. The management of physical resources to provide the larger
goal of cloud service delivery is known as "orchestration". IaaS
clouds are usually described as "elastic" -- an elastic service is one
that allows its user to rapidly scale up or down their need for
resources.

A number of open source projects and companies have been created to
implement IaaS clouds. Cloud.com started CloudStack in 2008 and
released the source under GNU General Public License version 3 ("GPL
v3") in 2010. Citrix acquired Cloud.com, including CloudStack, in
2011. Citrix re-licensed the CloudStack source under Apache License v2
in April, 2012.

Rationale

IaaS clouds provide the ability to implement datacenter operations in
a programmable fashion. This functionality is tremendously powerful
and benefits the community by providing:

- More efficient use of datacenter personnel
- More efficient use of datacenter hardware
- Better responsiveness to user requests
- Better uptime/availability through automation

While there are several open source IaaS efforts today, none are
governed by an independent foundation such as ASF. Vendor influence
and/or proprietary implementations may limit the community's ability
to choose the hardware and software for use in the datacenter. The
community at large will benefit from the ability to enhance the
orchestration layer as needed for particular hardware or software
support, and to implement algorithms and features that may reduce cost
or increase user satisfaction for specific use cases. In this respect
the independent nature of the ASF is key to the long term health and
success of the project.

Initial Goals

The CloudStack project has two initial goals after the proposal is
accepted and the incubation has begun.

The Cloudstack Project's first goal is to ensure that the CloudStack
source includes only third party code that is licensed under the
Apache License or open source licenses that are approved by the ASF
for use in ASF projects. The CloudStack Project has begun the process
of removing third party code that is not licensed under an ASF
approved license. This is an ongoing process that will continue into
the incubation period. Third party code contributed to CloudStack
under the CloudStack contribution agreement was assigned to Cloud.com
in exchange for distributing CloudStack under GPLv3. The CloudStack
project has begun the process of amending the previous CloudStack
contribution agreements to obtain consent from existing contributors
to change the CloudStack project's license. In the event that an
existing contributor does not consent to this change, the project is
prepared to remove that contributor's code. Additionally, there are
binary dependencies on redistributed libraries that are not provided
with an ASF-approved license. Finally, the CloudStack has source files
incorporated from third parties that were not provided with an
ASF-approved license. We have begun the process of re-writing this
software. This is an ongoing process that will extend into the
incubation period. These issues are discussed in more detail later in
the proposal.

Although CloudStack is open source, many design documents and
discussions that should have been publicly available and accessible
were not publicized. The Project's second goal will be to fix this
lack of transparency by encouraging the initial committers to
publicize tech

Re: [DISCUSS] Kato to the attic?

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:14 AM, Greg Stein  wrote:
> Kato is not an ASF project (yet), so wouldn't it just be rm'd rather than
> moving to the Attic?

Well, let's try to solve this once and for all. Sure, Kato is not a
full-fledged ASF process Incubator-wise, but at the same time it may
have passed the IP clearance stage so it may be argued that it is
ASF's IP and ASF responsability, which in turn may justify keeping it
shelved in the Attic.

As an Attic PMC member, who is also very well aware of lack of
volunteers over there, I couldn't be happier with a policy stating
that failed incubating projects are just rm'd, but I don't think we
never came up with a clear decision on that. And I would like to make
sure it's the right thing to do in the first place.

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Re: [VOTE] Apache Lucene.Net graduation from the incubator

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Prescott Nasser  wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> The Lucene.Net community feels ready to graudate. Our internal vote was a 
> success (~40 +1's and a bit of a mess because we had a number of mailing 
> lists which spread our vote out - sorry about that spam). We had some 
> concerns regarding the size and activity of our community, however, with 
> addition of two new committers just recently we feel that we are still 
> growing as a community and that graduating will only help us build our 
> community further.
>
> Dev Mailing List: http://s.apache.org/FQF
> User Mailing List: http://s.apache.org/P6f
>
> Our [Proposal] Resolution thread in general (http://s.apache.org/Qv6) didn't 
> garner many comments, but we take silence as "your proposal looks good"
>
> Once again our resolution is located: 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/LUCENENET/Graduation+-+Resolution+Template
>
> I'll leave this vote open for at least 72 hours:
>
> [+1] We need some time apart to appreciate each other
> [-1] We'd like you to stay because...

+1

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Re: [Proposal] Sling

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On 8/17/07, Jukka Zitting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 8/8/07, Felix Meschberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Sling Proposal
> > [...]
> > Nominated Mentors
> >   * Jukka Zitting (jukka at apache dot org)
>
> Anyone interested in mentoring Sling?

Count me in.

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Re: [VOTE] accept Pig into Incubator

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On 9/25/07, Doug Cutting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would like to call the Incubator PMC to vote to incubate the proposed
> Pig project.

+1

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Re: [VOTE] Accept Shindig for Incubation

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Nov 29, 2007 1:59 AM, Brian McCallister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This vote will run until Monday, Dec. 3, 2007.
>
> [ X] +1 Accept Shindig for incubation

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Re: [DISCUSS] CouchDB incubator project

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Jan 31, 2008, at 4:40 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:


The original source for this proposal can be found at

http://www.couchdbwiki.com/index.php?title=Apache_Incubator_Proposal


I think this would be a fantastic addition to Apache. Would love to  
help, so let me know if you're interested in another mentor.


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Re: [VOTE] Accept CouchDB for incubation

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Feb 9, 2008, at 5:09 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:


We've had an initial discussion, which attracted a number of messages
of encouragement, and identified no issues or concerns.  Then we
proceeded onto a proposal, which attracted three excellent mentors.
Now it is time to vote on the proposal which can be found on the
Apache Wiki, and reproduced below.

I would like to proudly start this off with my +1.


+1

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Re: [VOTE] Apache CouchDB 0.8.0-incubating release

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Jun 23, 2008, at 9:28 PM, Noah Slater wrote:


On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 12:22:03PM -0700, Ted Leung wrote:
I was on vacation all of last week, which is why I didn't vote.  I  
did
give you feedback about the initial tarball, which was missing a  
NOTICEs

file.


I apologise for this, I should have mentioned explicitly that the  
vote/feedback

was missing from the second round VOTE, not the first round.

It still concerns me that we have not heard anything from our other  
mentors.


AFAIK, Jim gave you some feedback, which leaves just myself in the  
totally lazy butt camp. And you're right, I can only apologize for  
that. It's just one of those crazy periods in someone's life when  
there is time to barely breathe: I noticed the vote and earmarked  
some time to do cross-checks, but things and plans changed.


Thanks for kicking my backside into doing the minimum required from a  
mentor. I'll try and follow for another couple of weeks and see if I  
can keep up, or just resign and leave it to someone else. Meanwhile,  
here is my +1.


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Re: [VOTE] Apache CouchDB 0.8.1-incubating release

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Aug 13, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Noah Slater wrote:


Hello,

The community has approved a release of Apache CouchDB 0.8.1- 
incubating.


Pursuant to the Releases section of the Incubation Policy we would  
now like to

request the approval of the Incubator PMC to make the release.


+1

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Re: [PROPOSAL] Catacomb

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Sep 22, 2008, at 7:47 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:

(Is Gianugo around?  I haven't seen him on-list in a long time.)


Sorta. Fighting with extensive travel and an overzealous GMail spam  
filter that insists in sweeping interesting stuff under the rug...


Still, listening and lurking.

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Re: [PROPOSAL] ESME - The Enterprise Social Messaging Experiment

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Darren Hague <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would like to propose ESME as a project for the Apache Incubator.

Uber-cool. I signed up as a mentor as well.

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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Buildr as TLP

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Alex Boisvert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Please vote on approving the graduation of Buildr. This vote is open for the
> next 72 hours and only votes from Incubator PMC members are binding.
>
>   [ ] +1 Approve graduation of Buildr as a Top-Level Project
>   [ ] -1 Buildr is not ready to graduate

+1 - have fun!

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Re: If you're not interested in Java and MySQL Cluster, you can stop reading now...

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 1:53 AM, Craig L Russell  wrote:
> I'm working (day job!) on a Java interface to the MySQL Cluster database
> (a.k.a. NDB). NDB is a high performance, high availability database used
> mostly in telecommunications applications. It can be the backing store for a
> MySQL server (accessed via any of the MySQL client APIs such as ODBC, JDBC)
> or can be used directly via primitive C++ or Java APIs.
>
> What I've been developing is a high performance, easy-to-use Java interface
> to NDB that bypasses the MySQL Server and instead goes directly to the
> native NDB API. I've used a Domain Object Model similar to Hibernate, JDO,
> and JPA.
>
> I'd like to work on this in Apache and would like to discuss the
> opportunities with folks at ApacheCon. If this looks interesting, please let
> me know. I'll post a proposal to the incubator wiki if there is positive
> feedback.

Interesting! However, I assume the MySQL side is all GPL. How does it
mix 'n match with the Apache License?

Thanks,


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Re: [Proposal] Jini Project

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On Jun 21, 2006, at 1:19 PM, Leo Simons wrote:


* Mentor
- Geir Magnusson Jr.


Lately popular opinion seems to be that it'd be good if there were  
at least

three mentors. Any others?


Here, here! I' d be glad to be a mentor for this project, I've been  
following Jini closely and would love to see it coming to Apache,  
helping out where I can.


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Re: [VOTE] Incubate new podling, "River" (nee Braintree, nee..., nee Jini)

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On 12/21/06, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


[ ] +1 Accept River as a new podling as described below
[ ] -1 Do not accept the new podling (provide reason, please)


+1

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Re: [vote] Release Apache Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-beta1

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On 4/27/07, Martijn Dashorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Dear Incubator PMC,

The Apache Wicket project asks your permission to release Apache
Wicket 1.3.0-incubating-beta1.


+1

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Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Wicket from the incubator

[Gianugo Rabellino]

On 5/24/07, Martijn Dashorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Dear Incubator,

The Wicket podling respectfully requests the Incubator to consider
its graduation to a Top Level Project. Please vote on recommending
the attached draft board resolution.

The vote will end in 72 hours, 1900 hours CET sunday 27-May-2007.

[X ] +1 Recommend to the board to establish Apache Wicket


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