Re: [pulse] A lab or an incubator? Was: Lab request: Pulse

2008-12-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Alexei,

Alexei Fedotov  wrote:
>>>... I wonder what do you think about using Apache labs as a
>>> launching pad for the project. It is hard to guarantee now if it would
>>> be possible to expose enough code to build a self sufficient product

I also think that a lab is not well suited to your project's scope and
goals - I'm just quoting the above excerpt where you talk about a
"product", and that's not what labs are meant for IMHO, they're meant
for experiments. You also seem to need an issue tracker of your own,
and binary releases - that's not labs.

I would suggest going for the incubator, assuming you can form a small
community of interested people and mentors. If not, starting outside
Apache but with the Apache way of working, and coming back to incubate
a bit later, might be an option.

-Bertrand

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Re: Risk of orphanage (was: [VOTE] Accept Cassandra into the Incubator)

2008-12-24 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 6:47 AM, Martijn Dashorst
 wrote:

> The whole problem with the original project, and the reason why it
> ends up at The ASF is that the current developers (i.e. the facebook
> devs) are *not* active, not responsive and not prone to open
> development. I'd argue that this is a *serious* risk for incubation.
>
> This is not something to take lightly IMO.

I share Martijn's concern...

I also think that the proposal is a bit "thin", compared to many others.

And running the vote over Christmas is perhaps a bit much as well.


Cheers
Niclas

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Re: [VOTE] Accept Cassandra into the Incubator

2008-12-24 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 6:01 AM, Ian Holsman  wrote:

> There has been some discussion around the Cassandra proposal,
> and we would now like to officially propose Cassandra to the Incubator
> for consideration..

> [ ] +1 Accept Cassandra as a new podling
> [ ] -1 Do not accept the new podling (provide reason, please)

-1 (binding).

I will even give reasons because it is Christmas;
 a. See Martijn's concern.
 b. Running vote over Christmas when *many* people are busy with other things.
 c. I would like to see a proposal with more "meat" in it. Some
history, more elaboration on the various topics that the template
provides...


Cheers
Niclas

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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Maestro

2008-12-24 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré  wrote:

> Apache Octopus
>
> I have made a quick search on the internet and I haven't found any software 
> project with this name.

Well, that is probably not true;
http://www.google.com/search?q=octopus+software reveals 1.9 million
hits. Of course that doesn't say that they are in anyway related to
what you are doing, nor that it is even software products/projects.
But, claiming "haven't found any software project with this name" is
more telling about your search ability than a fact of life.

What have happened to previous tradition of coming up with good obscure names??

SpretFlinter (zero hits)
Crentacto (one hit)
Bristasse (116 hits)

How hard can it be?


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Niclas

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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Maestro

2008-12-24 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofré
Hi Niclas,

I have made the Octopus research around software project related with 
deployment.
Of course, there is a lot of software projects named Octopus.

Nevertheless, I'm not against "obscure" name, and I like your name proposal
SpretFlinter.

Regards
JB
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
j...@nanthrax.net
BuildProcess/AutoDeploy Project Leader
http://buildprocess.sourceforge.net

On Wed 24/12/08 12:02, "Niclas Hedhman" nic...@hedhman.org wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré  et> wrote:
> > Apache Octopus
> >
> > I have made a quick search on the internet and I
> haven't found any software project with this name.
> Well, that is probably not true;
> http://www.google.com/search?q=octopus+software
> reveals 1.9 million
hits. Of course that doesn't say that they are in anyway related to
> what you are doing, nor that it is even software products/projects.
> But, claiming "haven't found any software project with this name" is
> more telling about your search ability than a fact of life.
> 
> What have happened to previous tradition of coming up with good obscure
> names??
> SpretFlinter (zero hits)
> Crentacto (one hit)
> Bristasse (116 hits)
> 
> How hard can it be?
> 
> 
> Cheers
> Niclas
> 
> 
> 



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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Maestro

2008-12-24 Thread Andrus Adamchik


On Dec 24, 2008, at 1:02 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:


What have happened to previous tradition of coming up with good  
obscure names??


SpretFlinter (zero hits)
Crentacto (one hit)
Bristasse (116 hits)


Not to make JB's job any harder, but IMO these examples are just  
silly. BTW, what tradition are you referring to?



How hard can it be?


It is hard. Random letter combinations do not sound that good. BTW,  
what was wrong with AutoDeploy?


Andrus


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Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Maestro

2008-12-24 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofré
Hi Andrus,

Of course, as I have named BuildProcess AutoDeploy (on sourceforge :)), we can
name Apache AutoDeploy.
When I have submitted my proposal to Incubator mailing list, I have thinking 
about
changing the AutoDeploy name as I think that it's a very generic name and 
already
used by some application servers (ever if the scope is not at all the same).

So Apache AutoDeploy is already in the race :)

Thanks Andrus,
Regards
JB
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
j...@nanthrax.net
BuildProcess/AutoDeploy Project Leader
http://buildprocess.sourceforge.net

On Wed 24/12/08 13:27, Andrus Adamchik and...@objectstyle.org wrote:
> 
> On Dec 24, 2008, at 1:02 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> >
> > What have happened to previous tradition of coming
> up with good  
> obscure names??
> >
> > SpretFlinter (zero hits)
> > Crentacto (one hit)
> > Bristasse (116 hits)
> 
> Not to make JB's job any harder, but IMO these examples are just  
> silly. BTW, what tradition are you referring to?
> 
> > How hard can it be?
> 
> It is hard. Random letter combinations do not sound that good. BTW,  
> what was wrong with AutoDeploy?
> 
> Andrus
> 
> 
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Re: PIWI / PHP Projects in Apache

2008-12-24 Thread Paul Querna

Christian Grobmeier wrote:

Hi all,

we have developed a web framework in PHP, called PIWI:

- http://piwi.googlecode.com/
- http://piwiframework.de/

Codebase supports very much features right now and only lacks user
documentation and has some open discussions left. Find a feature list
below.

It heavily borrows ideas and concepts from  Apache Cocoon and Apache
Forrest although it is implemented in PHP. Cause of this I think that
Apache would be a good host for this project.

I allready surfed a while through the incubator and found one PHP
project (log4php) which doesn't look very active. Does it make sense
to propose a new PHP project for apache? I really think that apache
would benefit of PHP projects. In my dreams there is a php.apache.org
TLP someday, hopefully hosting it's subprojects PIWI and maybe
log4PHP.


I'm not sure of a TLP called php.apache.org, but having lots of projects 
written in PHP is a good thing :-)




However, please give me your feedback. If somebody is interested in
mentoring us with this project, let me know. If you think it makes no
sense to bring another PHP project to apache, let me know too. Your
feedback is highly appreciated.


I think this would be cool.

-Paul


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