Re: [Freedos-user] Open Source and/or Free Software?

[Robert Riebisch]

Rugxulo wrote:

> The irony is that most people choke on the complexity, even on
> "simple" systems, because they get caught up in creeping featurism,
> featuritis, code bloat, or whatever you want to call it. It really
> shouldn't be this hard to (re)build world. The fact that we (still!)
> haven't solved this only proves that (like you imply) nobody cares
> enough about having reproducible builds / portable sources or that
> (more likely) nobody knew how to adequately solve the issue,
> universally.

At least some people care about https://reproducible-builds.org/

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Re: [Freedos-user] OT: What gives?

[Robert Riebisch]

Hi Rugxulo,

>> I just opened my inbox and found a pile of list emails from 2016-09-11 right 
>> up
>> to 2017-04-8.
>>
>> Has it happened to anybody else?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Wesley Parish
> 
> Yes, it happened to me, too. (BTW, nice way to clarify about a bunch
> of spam, email the list!!!):-P

Same here.

Maybe Jim released "some" old messages from SF spam quarantine. ;-)

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Re: [Freedos-user] Some driver updates

[Robert Riebisch]

Hi,

> Don't take all this so serious. Please. I simply was caught by surprise 
> that the FreeDOS distribution was so big. And you know how it is, you 
> install something and when it asks you "Do you want this?" you say, 
> "Okay, why not?!?"

Last time I ran DOS or FreeDOS is years ago: Doesn't the installer say
in advance how much disk space it needs to install all selected packages?

Packages are basically ZIP files and for every file inside the archive
you can get its uncompressed (and compressed length). So whenever a
package has been changed (a 'make' utility comes to my mind) we could
run ('unzip -v foo.zip') and parse its output to an index file.
Then in the installer, sum it up for all selected packages, 'et voilà'...

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Re: [Freedos-user] Some driver updates

[Robert Riebisch]

Hi Jerome,

> I gave a lot of thought to the issue of “Installed” and “required” free space 
> for the batch based FDI in FreeDOS 1.2. With the amount of additional 
> overhead and complexity it would require, I decided it was not worth the 
> effort at present. 
> 
> Base size,
> Base + sources size,
> Full size,
> Full+ sources size,
> All package sizes (custom advanced mode)
> All packages + sources sizes,

Start with Base.

> Temp storage requirements to expand largest installing package,

Difficult.

> Temp storage for custom install lists,
> Temp storage for custom autoexec and config file creation,

Shouldn't take much.

> Size needed for copy style backup,
> Size needed for advanced zip backup,

Means what?

> Size needed for MBR backup,
> Size needed for config file backup,

Shouldn't take much.

> Size of packages to be removed and upgraded,

It's just "-", not "+" then. ;-)

> a couple other minor things.
> 
> Basically, all of these would all need to be known and/or calculated before 
> the installer could say “43.5mb of packages to install” requiring 87.2mb of 
> free space.

Of course, uncompressed ZIP length should be calculated during ISO build
at the latest, but not at runtime of the installer.

But what else is a computer for if not crunching numbers?

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Re: [Freedos-user] Some driver updates

[Robert Riebisch]

Hi Jim,

> For anyone relatively new to the FreeDOS email lists, Jack's drivers
> come up every once in a while. Jack writes good code, but he tends to
> get very upset very quickly, and then lashes out at people. He has
> brought a lot of ill will here. It's no surprise that Jack keeps
> adding notices in his software "license" that says you cannot use his
> program on or with FreeDOS.

His famous "last" words from <http://optimizr.dyndns.org/dos/drivers.html>:
"Thanks" to the people in FreeDOS forum, all kind of insult, hack, steal
and modify Jack's drivers, Jack decided to stop offering this drivers to
the public.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Some driver updates

[Robert Riebisch]

Hi Rugxulo,

>> Jack does update drivers because he is a perfectionist,
> 
> What good is a perfect painting if no one will see it? Why bake a
> gourmet meal and then throw it away?

Maybe he's working on it for his own joy?

> I don't know, but I tried. I really tried to solve the situation. I
> know you think I'm being rude or pedantic, rehashing it over and over
> again, but he never goes away! He keeps saying he will, but he never
> does! Seriously, I'm not going to apologize to him when I did
> *nothing* to him! It's not like I'm asking *him* to grovel to us, but
> he needs to be honest (with himself and others)! Honesty is a virtue.
> Tell the truth, Jack! Stop portraying everyone else as an enemy when
> nobody did anything to you!

Why do you waste so much energy in trying to understand Jack?
You (or any other soul) probably never will, but does it *really* (!)
matter?

Rug, just be a gentleman and *respect* (= accept) his decisions, because
anything else will not lead to a healthy mind.

Do you know this short story?
"Two Monks and a Woman - a Zen Lesson"
<http://www.kindspring.org/story/view.php?sid=63753>

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Re: [Freedos-user] Some driver updates

[Robert Riebisch]

Hi Rugxulo,

> You're smart, you're a reasonable person. So why are you shutting down
> emotionally over this? Is it too stressful for you? Don't tell me I'm
> more patient than you are, I don't believe it. It's just not
> reasonable to ignore every problem, pretending that it will go away.

It will also not go away by "lamenting" over and over again...
Just ignore him and become a happy man again! :-)

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Re: [Freedos-user] SSH - unsupported remote protocol version

[Robert Riebisch]

Hi czezz,

> In both cases, connection fails and in the end I get message:
> "Unsupported remote protocol version".

>From SSHDOS source code:
###
   if(remote_major != 1 && remote_minor == 0)
fatal("Unsupported remote protocol version\n");
###
So, the remote server has to support 1.0.

1) Did you try the -v switch for verbose mode?
2) What server is on the remote site?

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Re: [Freedos-user] SSH - unsupported remote protocol version

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Hi David,

>> From SSHDOS source code:
>> ###
>>if(remote_major != 1 && remote_minor == 0)
>>  fatal("Unsupported remote protocol version\n");
>> ###
> 
> What a weird check. So version 2.1 would work? Shouldn't the check be
> 
> if (!(remote_major == 1 && remote_minor == 0))
> 
> ?

Not sure, what the author is trying to achieve. The whole project lacks
documentation.

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Re: [Freedos-user] SSH - unsupported remote protocol version

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Hi Jerome,

> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/repositories/1.2/pkg-html/group-net.html
> 
> At present, FDIMPLES is an offline only package manager and several
> packages (including sshdos & ssh2dos) have been updated since the
> release of FreeDOS 1.2.

Are you sure?
Binaries are still from 2003 (sshdos.zip) or 2006 (ssh2dos.zip).

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Re: [Freedos-user] You think BETA testing means you're brave?

[Robert Riebisch]

Hi Jerome,

> So, I put imaging the diskettes on hold while I created a brand new
> imaging utility. 
> 
> */EDICT - Enhanced Disk Image Creation Tool/*

Did you try David Dunfield's ImageDisk
(<http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/img/index.htm>)? Comes with source
code.

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS workaround for hidden IDE controller?

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Hi Gregg,

> Boot from USB and it's there. I have a FreeDOS image for a 64 megabyte
> module, which someone French setup for these thin clients. It will boot
> just fine, but in French. Somehow it works around or ignores it hiding
> or disabling the IDE controller.

1) Where did you get the FreeDOS image?
2) Can you make it available to us (Dropbox link?), so we can have a look?
3) What do you mean by saying "module"? Is it a CF card connected to the
IDE connector?

> Looks like I may have to use FreeDOS if there's no way to get past that
> with some MS-DOS version. But if there's some special extra
> configuration required for getting FreeDOS to work, I've no idea what it is.

1) Why are you keen on MS-DOS?
2) What's wrong with FreeDOS?

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS workaround for hidden IDE controller?

[Robert Riebisch]

Hi Gregg Eshelman via Freedos-user,

> Here's the FreeDOS image. Volume label is FREEDOS2012. Will mount in
> Quemu as a RAW image. Can't relocate the site I downloaded it from.
> https://anonfile.com/J8sau4d4bc/FreeDOS.rar

AUTOEXEC.BAT says: "Image pour le Wyse S30 par Quentin Bouteiller
(http://www.quent1.fr/)"

Just change the 2nd line in AUTOEXEC.BAT from "SET LANG=FR" to "SET
LANG=" (or delete the whole line).

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Re: [Freedos-user] Announce: E100PKT 0.1, packet driver for DOS

[Robert Riebisch]

Hi Seth,

> Intel has an NDIS driver for DOS[1], but it's closed-source. Worse, it
> doesn't even run on DOS (I guess the DOS driver is inside a
> self-extracting exe that requires Windows?).

Yes, it's a self-extracting RAR archive.
Repacked as a ZIP archive: http://www.bttr-software.de/tmp/prodos.zip

Directory structure:

.
|   license.pdf
|   license.txt
|   readme.txt
|   verfile.tic
|
+---APPS
|   \---NVMCHECK
|   \---DOS
|   nvmcheck.exe
|   nvmcheck.txt
|
+---PRO100
|   \---DOS
|   e100b.dos
|   e100beds.nif
|   oemsetup.inf
|   protocol.ini
|
\---PRO1000
\---DOS
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Robert Riebisch]

Hi Dale,

> I downloaded as-easy-as from your site.
> I didn't see a "LET command listed. Its a command
> that makes dos qpro special. None of my dos macros
> would run without it. 
> Maybe you could talk to Corel or who ever owns
> the copyright and see if they could bring back their
> office software for FREEDOS use. They made the best
> dos software ever.

Would be a nice contribution to the FreeDOS community if *you* take this
job. :-)

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Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem

[Robert Riebisch]

Hi,

>> I will look into Net-Tamer and Procom. Telix was the software I had
>> found the defunct website for. I'm not sure if I want to trust a mirror.
> 
> Try looking here:
> 
> * http://www.bttr-software.de/freesoft/comm1.htm

There also are UniCom (and Teleservice) at
.
The site is in German only, but UniCom also has a short manual in
English in README.TXT.

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS website

[Robert Riebisch]

Hi Jan,

>>> No not at all, I have just uploaded the latest version, including an update
>>> to some documentation/presentations in PDF format, it is at:
>>
>>PDF is a bit bloated and DOS-unfriendly, but I understand your need to
>>use something modern and accessible (or whatever). 
> 
> Something that is rather usable on most of the supported platforms.
> DOS is a bit of the exception here. I used to maintain an HTML version 
> of the same presentations too, but dropped that for space/time reasons.
> 
> The sources are in OpenOffice though, so I could have a look at
> what th export alternatives are, to bundle into the distribution ZIP ...

Maybe you want to have a look at several multi-format documentation
generators:
* https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/halibut/ (no color
support so far, but author is open for patches)
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lout_(software)
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_documentation_generators

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[Freedos-user] cabextract 1.8, dmidecode 3.2, Gifsicle 1.91 available

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Hi all,

over the last days I found some time to play with DOS again. As a result
I updated my previous builds of these three FOSS programs.

cabextract
--

>From :
"cabextract is Free Software for extracting Microsoft cabinet files,
also called .CAB files. It is distributed under the GNU GPL license and
is based on the portable LGPL libmspack library.

cabextract supports all features and formats of Microsoft cabinet files
and Windows CE installation files. It can also look inside other files
for embedded cabinets."

My announcement at "DOS ain't dead":


dmidecode
-

>From :
"Dmidecode reports information about your system's hardware as described
in your system BIOS according to the SMBIOS/DMI standard (see a sample
output). This information typically includes system manufacturer, model
name, serial number, BIOS version, asset tag as well as a lot of other
details of varying level of interest and reliability depending on the
manufacturer."

My announcement at "DOS ain't dead":


Gifsicle


>From :
"Gifsicle is a command-line tool for creating, editing, and getting
information about GIF images and animations."

My announcement at "DOS ain't dead":


Feel free to mirror at ibiblio, repack or include with FreeDOS 1.3.

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[Freedos-user] lzip 1.20 available -> FreeDOS 1.3

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Hi all,

included with FreeDOS <=1.2 there is my lzip 1.9 build from 2010. Seems
nobody has used it for the last 8 years, because nobody complained about
it to be broken. :-| It even failed `make check'. Sorry, my fault. :-(

Please update to lzip 1.20.

Note 1: This version doesn't include lziprecover anymore. I'm working on
a separate build. Shouldn't take too long.

Note 2: I also rebuilt lzip/lziprecover 1.9 with 2010 DJGPP tools. You
can grab it from .

lzip


>From :
"Lzip is a lossless data compressor with a user interface similar to the
one of gzip or bzip2. Lzip can compress about as fast as gzip (lzip -0),
or compress most files more than bzip2 (lzip -9). Decompression speed is
intermediate between gzip and bzip2. Lzip is better than gzip and bzip2
from a data recovery perspective.

The lzip file format is designed for data sharing and long-term
archiving, taking into account both data integrity and decoder
availability..."

My announcement at "DOS ain't dead":


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[Freedos-user] lziprecover 1.20 available

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lziprecover
---

>From :
"Lziprecover is a data recovery tool and decompressor for files in the
lzip compressed data format (.lz). Lziprecover is able to repair
slightly damaged files, produce a correct file by merging the good parts
of two or more damaged copies, extract data from damaged files,
decompress files and test integrity of files."

My announcement at "DOS ain't dead":


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Re: [Freedos-user] lzip 1.20 available -> FreeDOS 1.3

[Robert Riebisch]

Hi Rugxulo,

>> included with FreeDOS <=1.2 there is my lzip 1.9 build from 2010. Seems
>> nobody has used it for the last 8 years, because nobody complained about
>> it to be broken. :-| It even failed `make check'. Sorry, my fault. :-(
> 
> I vaguely remember it had some minor quirk, but I can't remember what
> (tmpfile bug?). And no, I never heavily used it. Most people don't

No. It had a text vs binary mode issue.

>> Please update to lzip 1.20.
> 
> * http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/util/file/7zip/lzip/
> 
> Again, thank you for your efforts.

And thanks again.

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Re: [Freedos-user] cabextract 1.8, dmidecode 3.2, Gifsicle 1.91 available

[Robert Riebisch]

Hi Rugxulo,

>> Feel free to mirror at ibiblio, repack or include with FreeDOS 1.3.
> 
> I have only mirrored Gifsicle and Cabextract:

Thanks.

> * http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/util/user/gifsicle/
> * http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/util/file/cab/
> 
> I wasn't sure if you thought your newest Dmidecode was bug-free
> enough. Quoting you: "Please report your findings  Maybe someone
> has access to a Redfish device and can tell me, if printing its IP
> address works correctly." (I don't have such a device and don't even
> know what that means!)

I didn't receive any bug reports so far.
To be honest: I did receive no feedback at all. :-/

I'm not in the position to force anything on you, but to fix any
outstanding bugs, I need to widen the audience. So it would probably
best to also mirror Dmidecode.

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[Freedos-user] ZanySoft ZDir goes FOSS

[Robert Riebisch]

Hi all,

upon my request Chris Kirmse recently open-sourced his popular directory
lister from the early 1990s.

ZDir home page is still at , but you can
get the source from .

Source code is for A86, but you need version 3.22 to build out of the
box. Source code for ZDirCfg (to configure colors and other behavior) is
currently not included, but a binary is included in
.

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Re: [Freedos-user] ot: run time issues?

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Hi Rugxulo,

> I just used the "r200fix" TSR (which was mentioned in one of your
> links). Also, years ago I remember vaguely using a patch program with
> one guy (about his favorite text editor, Vision Edit). I think he also
> had used "FDAPM speed3" to slow down his cpu. Ah, apparently one guy
> also suggested using Alexei's bp7_tpl.zip on VED.OVL with some
> apparent success.
> 
> * https://www.sac.sk/download/utilprog/r200fix.zip(doesn't have
> sources here, but I've seen 'em floating around, not sure of the
> source license though)

One can get sources from .

No license statement is included. I'll ask the author, because he's from
Germany too. ;-)

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Re: [Freedos-user] FST Modula-2 and TP5.5 Pascal

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Hi Bruce,

> Just letting you know that I  have started 
> dumping my DOS projects onto Github. If there's anything there you think 
> may be helpful in FreeDOS either clone or build or ask me to. I may have 
> time.

MoonRock! Memories...

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Re: [Freedos-user] [release] Dr. Mind v1.0

[Robert Riebisch]

Hi Mateusz,

> Ever wanted to play some Mastermind, but had no one to play with?
> Dr. Mind comes to the rescue!
> 
> Dr. Mind is a PC adaptation of the Mastermind(TM) board game. The 
> computer generates a secret color code, then the player has to figure 
> out the exact pattern through deduction.

You say Mastermind is trademark.
Did you ask someone for permission to reproduce the game's idea and use
it's name for you product?

It's just to save you (or FreeDOS) from trouble.

I remember some issues regarding Tetris.

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Re: [Freedos-user] What I do with the .img file?

[Robert Riebisch]

Hi,

> the EASIEST way in my experience, to create a bootable USB drive with a
> .img file, is to use the program called etcher. this is not a plug for
> them, but  i haven had a bad experience using it yet

Slightly OT: I still wonder, why anyone would need the 139 (!) MB Etcher
(), when Rufus () does
the same (?) in 1.1 MB.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Tinyasm vs. NASM

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Hi Rugxulo,

> Finally done, uploaded at the same place on iBiblio for us.
> 
> * 
> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/devel/asm/nasm/0.98.39/8086host/

Congrats! :-)

> Though I wonder why I wasted so much time since it's inferior to the
> 8086 OpenWatcom build. I guess I still appreciate Turbo C++ for what
> it is. I really need to take a look at why it's running out of memory
> (kernel.asm) or maybe even look into using overlays (which I'm not
> familiar with at all). At least it does normally work, for comparison,
> in case anyone wants to improve it.

Why do you think, you wasted your time?

You did the TC++ build, because you were interested in. You probably
learned a lot and your build is probably helpful for other in the
future. Who knows! Be more optimistic. :-)

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Re: [Freedos-user] WebServer in FreeDOS

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Hi Andris,

> There is a KA9Q NOS TCP/IP package for radio amateurs and as I remember
> it includes a web server too.
> Original ms-dos binary (from Simtel CD-ROM) operates so-so. To use as an
> ordinary web server source must be modified and recompiled.

http://www.ka9q.net/code/ka9qnos/

I remember playing around with these forks of KA9Q 10 to 15 years ago:
TNOS: ftp://ftp.ucsd.edu/hamradio/packet/tcpip/tnos/release2.30/dos/
(There were newer releases, but lantz.com is no more.)
JNOS: ftp://ftp.ucsd.edu/hamradio/packet/tcpip/jnos/ and
https://www.langelaar.net/jnos2/

Jaffa WWW: http://www.rowan.sensation.net.au/programs.html

> I do not know how KA9Q operates under FreeDOS. IMHO the main problem can
> be with modern web browsers.

I don't think that modern browsers are a problem, because HTTP is still
HTTP.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Impulse Tracker on freedos

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Hi Alex,

> I installed FreeDOS on a Atom laptop. I want to run the Impulse Tracker
> music production software.

What kind of Atom laptop is it? Brand, model?

The laptop's sound card needs to be compatible with one of the following
devices. Otherwise there's no chance to get sound.

Extracted from `it214v5.zip\it214v5\DRIVERS.TXT':
01. PC Speaker
02. DAC on LPT
03. GUS, Hardware
04. GUSMAX, Software
05. Interwave, Hardware
06. Sound Blaster 1.0
07. Sound Blaster 2.0
08. Sound Blaster Pro
09. Sound Blaster 16
10. Sound Blaster AWE 32
11. Pro Audio Spectrum
12. Pro Audio Spectrum 16
13. Windows Sound System
14. ESS 1868 AudioDrive
15. ESS 1688 AudioDrive
16. EWS64 Codec
17. Ensoniq SoundscapeVIVO 64/256
18. SoundTrack PCI
19. MPU401 MIDI Driver

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Re: [Freedos-user] Impulse Tracker on freedos

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For the record:

>> I installed FreeDOS on a Atom laptop. I want to run the Impulse Tracker
>> music production software.
> 
> What kind of Atom laptop is it? Brand, model?
> 
> The laptop's sound card needs to be compatible with one of the following
> devices. Otherwise there's no chance to get sound.

Source code (TASM/TLINK) is available from:
https://bitbucket.org/jthlim/impulsetracker

So, in theory, one could write new drivers.
(Yes, I know, it's hard to find specs.)

At  and
 are C projects for Windows.
Maybe it helps to understand the ASM code better.

Background information from IT's author:
20 years of Impulse Tracker

20 Years of Impulse Tracker, Part 2

20 Years of Impulse Tracker, Part 3

20 Years of Impulse Tracker, Part 4


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Re: [Freedos-user] Impulse Tracker on freedos

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Hi Alex,

> Thanks for your super fast replys!

You're welcome!

> The laptop is a Sony Vaio vpcw12s1e that i have no use for. I thought
> it will be useful again using it as a sampler with IT 2.15. It boots in
> a few seconds in FD and the battery lasts 4 hours. With windowze 7 on
> it, it’s a piece of shi*...

Is it too slow? Umm, Windows XP could a problem, because of the drivers.
I have a similar machine here: Lenovo Ideapad 110S-11IBR
Mine is a bit newer.
I installed Linux Mint 19 "Tara" - MATE (64-bit) in 2018 and was very
satisfied, because everything I tried, worked out of the box.
Current Mint is 19.3 "Tricia"
, also I'm not sure you can
run 64-bit on an Atom N270. Then try 32-bit.
Afterwards you can probably install DOSBox or dosemu/dosemu2.

If you don't like Mint or find it to big, try
. There's no graphical installer like in Mint
or other distros, but it's pretty forward.

> I think is time to move over and maybe install a BBS or a Turbo
> Pascal IDE :)

A bulletin board system?

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Re: [Freedos-user] Impulse Tracker on freedos

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>> The laptop is a Sony Vaio vpcw12s1e that i have no use for. I thought
>> it will be useful again using it as a sampler with IT 2.15. It boots in
>> a few seconds in FD and the battery lasts 4 hours. With windowze 7 on
>> it, it’s a piece of shi*...
> 
> Is it too slow? Umm, Windows XP could a problem, because of the drivers.

I think, I'm wrong here about the driver problem. These machines were
often (or only) sold with Windows XP back at that time.

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDos1.44Boot Floppy

[Robert Riebisch]

Eric Auer wrote:

> I assume DAA only works with Poweriso? How about 1:1 raw floppy
> images or simple ISO files for the CD case?

An older DOS port of DAA2ISO is available from my site:
http://www.bttr-software.de/ports/

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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos-user Digest, Vol 415 FreeDos1.44Boot Floppy (Eric Auer)

[Robert Riebisch]

Garrison Ricketson wrote:

[snip]

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Re: [Freedos-user] Full Networked FreeDOS image for VirtualBox

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Ulrich Hansen wrote:

> I have built a special FreeDOS 1.0 image for Virtualbox:

Looks great! :-) Thanks!

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Re: [Freedos-user] FDAPM in notebooks

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Marcos Favero Florence de Barros wrote:

> Is there something that must be configured differently in notebooks
> to achieve higher CPU idle times?

Please tell us a little more about the specs of the notebooks / desktop.
Does this also happen with a clean boot (no drivers loaded)?

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Re: [Freedos-user] Does FreeDOS make CPU sleep when idle?

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Zbigniew B. wrote:

> I want  to replace a DOS installation on quite old computer - it is
> 386SX25 - which I'm keeping around just because it's s.c. "booksize
> PC". It has no ACPI, not even APM. I understand, that the FDAPM is
> most recommended method, but - from the other side - using this very
> old computer only the kernel built-in method will work? Am I right?

It's very unlikely that a 386SX will overheat ever. No need to play
around with IDLEHALT or FDAPM.

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Re: [Freedos-user] mTCP source code released

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Michael B. Brutman wrote:

> I released mTCP as open source today: http://code.google.com/p/mtcp/

That's great. Thanks!

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Re: [Freedos-user] OT: ASM Book

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Santiago Almenara wrote:

> I am trying to learn assembly language. Most of the books, I've gotten,
> have its own set of libraries (eg. HLA, Irvine, etc), I want one that I
> can learn all INT 21H functions.

Get "First steps towards system programming under MS-DOS7" and other
stuff at http://www.bttr-software.de/links/#proginf

Also have a look at
http://sourceforge.net/projects/nasm/files/nasm%20documentation/0.98.39/nasm-0.98.39-xdoc.zip/download
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Re: [Freedos-user] mTCP / DHCP

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Willi Wasser wrote:

>> Adding WATTCP support to my DHCP would be fine as well -
>> they are so close it makes sense.
> 
> As long as this not done, a small batch procedure like the following one 
> could do the job of turning a mtcp.cfg into a wattcp.cfg:
> 
> @echo off
> FAM /M0(IPAD MY_IP\p13= \F1 < mtcp.cfg > WATTCP.CFG
> FAM /M0(NETM /M0(GATE /M0(NAME /M0(HOST \F0\p13= \F1 < mtcp.cfg >> WATTCP.CFG
> TYPE WATTCP0.CFG >> WATTCP.CFG

FAM is available from
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Re: [Freedos-user] Why I use FreeDOS

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Mike Eriksen wrote:

>> Graphics or X11? I'd be surprised about GUI stuff. Sure, I've tried
>> BasicLinux and DamnSmallLinux, even briefly TinyCore, but they all
>> seem to be too minimal or have other issues. I'm not saying it can't
>> be done, but, 99% of the time, it never worked right for me.
> 
> Oh yes X11. Not the newest version (only x.org 6.9.0) so it won't
> support the newest cards 3D capabilities. But it is important to
> realize it's a thin client so it does exactly the same as DOS itself:
> not very much and certainly not gcc. But you get X11, mouse, menus
> (window manager), networking (including samba and NFS), sound and an
> image will be below 10 MB if you are careful.
> 
> For most users around here a thin client isn't of much use. I just
> wanted to point out that a Linux system easily runs on 32 MB RAM if
> you know what you are doing (sorry).

Is there more info on the net about your project?

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[Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.1 at the official bug tracker

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Hi devs!

Please also visit
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Re: [Freedos-user] Heads up: "DOS ain't dead" forum is closing

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Dear all,

You have probably noticed, that I have received a lot of public feedback
(plus a few private mails) on my announcement to close this forum.
Thanks for that! I didn't know, that this forum is such an important
part of the DOS community.

Today I have also received a //large// donation via PayPal from an
unknown US guy to keep the forum alive.
Well, folks, I'm not trying to get rich now, but:
**"DOS ain't dead" will stay online after 2011-09-19!**

A special thanks to these people for their interest in hosting this
forum: Glenn McCorkle, RayeR, Japheth, Michael B. Brutman, Jim Hall,
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Re: [Freedos-user] PPP over Ethernet.

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bloger wrote:

> My ISP require PPPoE. Any idea how to access to network?

Are you talking about (A)DSL?
I recommend getting a NAT-router like, e.g., Linksys WRT54GL. I run a
custom firmware called "DD-WRT", which is very stable.

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Re: [Freedos-user] PPP over Ethernet.

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bloger wrote:

> My modem (without WiFi support) currently serve as bridge. Thanks for
> that I have not grey IP address. The downside: I need PPPoE driver.

What's your problem with a grey (= NATed) IP address?
The only PPPoE driver for DOS is PEPA
(<http://www.hanewin.net/old-e.htm>), but it is intended for "setting up
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Re: [Freedos-user] FTP Server testing needed

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Michael B. Brutman wrote:

> I have made a large round of improvements to the FTP server in mTCP and 
> I am looking for a little testing help with it.  If you have a few spare 
> moments over the next day or two just try to connect to it and browse 
> the file structure.  Using a few different clients will help me shake 
> out any new bugs.  Upload some relevant files if you are adventurous.

Fine with Total Commander 7.55a.

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Re: [Freedos-user] FTP Server testing needed

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Single Stage to Orbit wrote:

> ftp> put alex_was_here
   ^
I guess LFNs are not supported.

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Re: [Freedos-user] re-porting Frotz to DOS

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David Griffith wrote:

> and new hardware with an old bent.  An example of the latter is the 8086 
> S100 CPU board offered by Andrew Lynch.

More on this at: http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/

S-100 8086 CPU board:
http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/browse/#view=ViewFolder¶m=S-100%208086%20CPU%20board

S-100:
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Re: [Freedos-user] Problem with download Re: FreeDOS 1.1 released

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Marco Achury wrote:

> I thougth that my problem with download was caused by firefox, so I
> tried ftp program from winXP command line and dont works, Filezilla the
> same.  I tried ftp.microsoft.com <ftp://ftp.microsoft.com> and some
> other well know ftp servers, and none works, so I am sure the wifi
> conection I am using has locked ftp port...

What security software (antivirus & firewall) is installed?

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.1: JemmEx conflicts with Keyb

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Rugxulo wrote:

>> 1?DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\JEMMEX.EXE NOEMS X=TEST I=TEST NOVME NOINVLPG
> 
> Why is this using NOVME NOINVLPG? Is it trying to be
> ultra-conservative? Is there a known VirtualBox (or other) bug
> somewhere? Seems odd ... though INVLPG is 486 and VME is 586, perhaps
> you're trying for old 386 compatibility?? (And I blindly assume
> JEMM386 already is aware of when it's safe to use.)

Yes, it's ultra-conservative.

>From Jemm's README.TXT:
Jemm has been verified to run on the following virtual environments:
Qemu, VMware, VirtualPC, Bochs, VirtualBox
However, it might be necessary to set options NOINVLPG and/or NOVME.

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Re: [Freedos-user] 32 bit FreeDOS?

[Robert Riebisch]

Bernd Blaauw wrote:

>> Actually, I wish someone would release a Windows 3.1 driver that can
>> get my ATI Rage 128, XPERT 2000, card to output 256 colors.  For that
>> matter, how hard would it be to make a Windows like graphical user
>> interface that can run Windows 3.1 software?
> 
> There should be some unofficial svga patch for windows 3.1 / 3.1.1 , but 
> it had several limitations.

SVGAPatch is available from http://www.japheth.de/dwnload1.html
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Re: [Freedos-user] LanTastic

[Robert Riebisch]

Jose Antonio Senna  wrote:

>>Artisoft / Spartacom / PCMicro LanTastic - dead product?
> 
>  I recently stumbled on this site: http://www.lantastic.ws/
> which owners say they still develop and sell LanTastic for
> DOS (and Windows) as a commercial product, with license 
> from the original copyright owners. 

No, the owner says: "LANtastic 8.01 __was__ backed by the best support
team in the networking business: Artisoft..." and "Today we keep
__limited__ support for our customers only by e-mail."

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Re: [Freedos-user] New XFDOS FreeDOS distribution

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Bernd Blaauw wrote:

> QEMU might also be an option, faster than Bochs.
> Not tried [ http://qemu.weilnetz.de/w32/2012-06-28/ , QEMU v1.1 I think] 
> yet, I'm too lazy to find out how to download an entire web directory in 
> 1 go. Guess some FireFox extension should allow it.

I'm using http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/ for years.

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[Freedos-user] FreeDOS rsync mirror

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Hello!

I'd like to keep my local FreeDOS mirror up-to-date.
Are there any mirrors to sync with (Cygwin) rsync (on Windows)?
Back in 2010 I used to use
, which is no longer
available. :-(

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Re: [Freedos-user] hard drive question?

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Rugxulo wrote:

> BTW, I think the iBiblio mirror for FreeDOS is over 6 GB these days
> (probably due to big distros and lots of older versions of stuff). No
> idea what a full DJGPP mirror would take (rr? any guess?). Or even how
> big Simtel's /msdos/ is or (defunct) Garbo, etc.

My DJGPP mirror from 08/2012 takes nearly 8 Gbytes.

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Re: [Freedos-user] hard drive question?

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Michael B. Brutman wrote:

> drives to hold common data.  I wrote a little command line "boot 
> manager" to hide the partition that is not in use so that drive letters 
> don't shift.  (DOS 3.3 can't see the DOS 5 partition, but if the DOS 3.3 
> partition is not hidden DOS 5 will see it.)

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Re: [Freedos-user] Newbie Q - How do I get a USB flash drive operating please?

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Rugxulo wrote:

> I guess you could just quickly press the Pause key when/if needed (to
> pause the BIOS), but that may not be quite good enough.
> 
> EDIT: You could try the following (untested by me) quick hack if desperate:
> 
> http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/tristar/debug/debug/InsertPausesInConfigSys.html

Another one: http://www.bttr-software.de/products/pause/

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Re: [Freedos-user] DOS on Raspberry Pi

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Jim Hall wrote:

> I thought this was cool: Patrick Aalto ported DSx86 to the Raspberry Pi,

The LineWars guy. :-)

> as rpix86 (as in "R. Pi x86"), so now you can run DOS on the Pi.
> 
> http://rpix86.patrickaalto.com/

He's also working on a port to Android: http://ax86.patrickaalto.com/
Doom on my MiniX NEO X5 (http://www.minix.com.hk/Products/NEOX5.html)
connected to a 37" LCD TV. ;-)

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Re: [Freedos-user] MT.COM not found in internet !! :(

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Georg Potthast wrote:

> I found the zip-file on my disk and posted it here for you:
> 
> https://nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos.googlecode.com/files/mt-multitasking.zip

Georg, you're on thin ice:
*** from MT.HTM ***
MT ist Freeware. Shamrock garantiert deshalb nicht die Benutzbarkeit für
bestimmte Einsatzfälle. MT und die zugehörigen Dateien dürfen an Dritte
weitergegeben werden, die Änderung von Urheberrechtsvermerken oder
Textmeldungen der Software ist jedoch nicht zulässig.

Das Kopieren der Software auf andere Web-Seiten als die von Shamrock
oder auf CDROMs ist nur mit ausdrücklicher schriftlicher Genehmigung
gestattet.
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To be on the safe side, you could offer to send out MT.ZIP by e-mail.
Or ask Shamrock for written permission. :-)

Btw: My copy of MT.ZIP has three additional files MTBAS.LIB, MTBAS.OBJ,
and MTBAS.QLB dated Feb 2004.

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Re: [Freedos-user] SNTP complains about lease time

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Marcos Favero Florence de Barros wrote:

> I've been using SNTP regularly to adjust the computer clock, but
> recently it began to give this message:

What do you mean by saying `recently´?
What device is your DHCP server? A router? Did you change it `recently´?

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Re: [Freedos-user] DOSBOX isn't for everyone...

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Hi Andrew,

> Mind - although I still have both 430CDS' in storage for uncompleted project 
> updates, I had to wave the white flag on productively using Puppy for kids 
> use, on those particular specs. What worked best in it was a 2GB sd-card with 
> FreeDOS 1.1 configured to boot up Ronald Blankendaal's "Access" most 
> excellent gui environment (He of DosBOXGameLauncher fame, here 
> http://members.quicknet.nl/blankendaalr/dbgl/). From there, my kids could 
> immediately access any one of dozens of top-rated classic DOS games I had 
> squirrelled away from a range of "abandonware" sites. For a 16MB edo-dram 
> laptop it would boot in about 11 seconds. *snap!* 
> My *intention* was to have imaged a distro-like "FreeDOS4Kids" that could be 
> copied to a flash card and via an ATA-adapter replacing the ancient HDD. By 
> using such an image route you could circumvent some native installation 
> issues (but probably replace them with other 'gotchas').  Life has overrun me 
> on that particular escapade however. 
> Thanks for the erudite first-hand histories in this thread guys - fascinating 
> reading, Cheers :)

Paul Blair once had a distro called FUZOMA:
http://superkeen.com/peacecorpsweblog/?s=FUZOMA&k2dynamic=init

The website seems a little broken, but downloads are still working.

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Re: [Freedos-user] WinWorldPC disk images...

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Hi Michael,

> I'm on a CentOS 7 system. I downloaded a rar archive of Wordperfect 6.0
> dos that is an archive of floppy images. I do not at this time have real
> floppy
> support... but I do have zip disks. Is there a way I can mount these
> images and create one larger image?

This is untested for WP, but I did similar for other software sever
1) Extract the RAR archive to a Zip disk.
2) Put extracted e0x.arj to it:
http://kannegieser.net/veit/programm/index_e.htm
3) Load E0X on DOS.
4) Run WP installer.
5) Use F11/F12 keys to switch to the next/previous disk image.

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Re: [Freedos-user] 4DOS - license issue, not included in FreeDOS 1.3?

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Hi Jim,

> *Powerpaint* (PAINT2)
> License is unclear. The source code has a copyright notice but does not
> have a statement that says "you can use this" or similar. Further, contains
> the SVGA256.BGI driver. But more importantly, It contains many OBJ files
> without source and several Borland Copyright example files. Too unclear,
> not something we should distribute.

I had a look at PAINT2 and it's a real mess! :-(

Unfortunately, there are not many alternatives:

1) I looked through several shareware packages to find something similar
to Windows Paint or Deluxe Paint, but there's nearly nothing.

2) I was unsuccessful to convince makers of NeoPaint (NeoSoft
Corporation) or Desktop Paint (Alchemy Mindworks) to release their
products under a FOSS license.

3) GrafX2  by
Guillaume Dorme & Karl Maritaud is GNU GPL v2, but docs and Watcom C +
TP7 source code names & comments are in French.

4) OGE  by
Daniel Skarda is GNU GPL v2, but docs and TP source code names &
comments are in Czech.

5) VGAPaint 386  by Avery
Lee is GNU GPL v2, but unstable.

6) Grafix
 or

(source code) vanished and also uses Borland's BGI files.

7) AntiPaint for DOS

is unusable (to me).

8) Master Draw  by Arkham
Development is under a BSD license
,
but the interface looks a little overloaded, the font is hard to read
and it is written in QuickBASIC (?). Maybe someone can convert it to
FreeBASIC?

Any other ideas?

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Re: [Freedos-user] 4DOS-license issue (Sideline)

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Hi Jose,

>>I was unsuccessful to convince makers of NeoPaint
>>(NeoSoft Corporation) or Desktop Paint (Alchemy Mindworks)
>> to release their products under a FOSS license.
> 
> Does any one of them still offer their DOS products
> whatever the license ? NeoPaint used to be shareware,
> but I didn´t see it last time I looked into NeoSoftware site.

Both: You can't get registered DOS versions. Shareware versions are
still available from several sites, of course. But long-term usage would
violate the shareware license.

NeoSoft officials said in May 2019: "NeoPaint for DOS wasn't
specifically included or excluded from our agreement with SinLios, but
our DOS programs are `retired´ and we don't really want them distributed
any more. I'm Sorry."

Alchemy Mindworks officials said in March 2020: "I'm afraid we no longer
have source code for any of our old DOS applications. Sorry we can't be
of more assistance." -- But I still try to convince them to provide the
registered version for free on a "as-is" basis.

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Re: [Freedos-user] 4DOS - license issue, not included in FreeDOS 1.3?

[Robert Riebisch]

Hi Andrew,

> Robert I am talking out of school here, on so many levels...
> Have you ever heard of EVE (Embedded Vector Editor) from Barry Kauler? 
> https://bkhome.org/archive/goosee/
> Barry hasn't supported his gem since at least 2006, when he left the Windows 
> environment to work almost exclusively on his next project - Puppy Linux. I 
> just tried to download a fresh copy now - lot of ghost links encountered, but 
> I know I have a copy on one of my backup drives, if needed.
> To have this Win32 API working in FreeDOS you would need at least to have HX 
> DOS-Extender on board, I guess? 
> Anyways - just an idea. I'm a bit of a fan of EVE, would be nice to see it 
> getting the sort of attention/use it deserves.

Never heard of EVE, but know Barry from Sphinx C-- and also tried Puppy
once. Nevertheless, I was looking for a "pixel painter" (= bitmap
manipulation program for PCX, GIF, PNG, or JPEG files), which is EVE not.

 links to 
for the GPLed source code, but  is dead ("Server not
found."). Didn't find it anywhere else.

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Re: [Freedos-user] paint programs for DOS - was 4DOS...

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Hi Eric,

>> 5) VGAPaint 386 
>> by Avery Lee is GNU GPL v2, but unstable.
> 
> Robert explained that this means it fails to restore
> the interrupt vector table on certain exit methods,
> which feels familiar for certain Borland / Turbo run
> time libraries?

That's the only bug, I noticed myself, but it's a long ago, that I used
VGAPaint.
So, that doesn't mean, there are not (many?) more bugs.

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[Freedos-user] HWiNFO (for DOS) version 6.0.4 available

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Hi!

After almost a decade, HWiNFO author Martin Malik decided to give the
DOS version of HWiNFO a new refresh.

See thread "HWiNFO for DOS resurrected !" at Vogons for the changes and
recent discussions: 
(Martin's user name at Vogons is "Mumak".)

The download is also available from .

Some may also wish to read the original thread "HWiNFO support of
vintage hardware": 

And maybe the thread at
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get some more replies.

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Re: [Freedos-user] paint programs for DOS - was 4DOS...

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> So the task would be to translate 5000 snippets of
> French, are there any GrafX2 fans who feel in the
> mood to help FreeDOS as source "interpreters"? :-)

Nobody?

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Re: [Freedos-user] SHSUCDX Updated to 3.07

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Hi Eric,

>> SHSUCDX was updated to 3.07 recent it looks like.  See
>> http://adoxa.altervista.org/shsucdx/index.html
> 
> "SHSUCDX v3.07 (56k). Fixes some programs not
> finding the CD (e.g. Quake will now play audio)."

File `shsucdx.txt' says:
v3.07 - 8 April, 2020:
- fixed the first drive number after only installing with reserved drives

v3.06 - 20 September, 2019:
- allow Get Directory Entry path to start with slash (needed by "The
Need for Speed" installer)

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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos for IBM PCDOS 3.30 software

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Hi Mattia,

> I am a new user of the FreeDOS world, and I have a question. I would
> like to install FreeDOS 1.2 on an old PC that we have at work because
> we have to create a backup system for our 1987 IBM Personal System 2,
> currently running IBM PCDOS 3.30 OEM. We still have this machine
> because it’s attached to a metal analyzer that uses a software that
> exists only for PCDOS 3.30.

So you intend to install FreeDOS to a different, probably newer, type of
machine and then transfer the metal analyzer software?

How is the PC attached to the analyzer? A normal serial port? A special
I/O card?

> Does this type of software run on FreeDOS 1.2? Is it possibile to get
> the full compatibility?

All I can say is: "Probably. You have to try."

It depends on how clean the metal analyzer software was coded. If the
programmers used some "dirty tricks", that only work on this particular
DOS or PS2 machine, then it will probably very hard or even impossible.

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Re: [Freedos-user] HP11 Streamer?

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Hi Jim,

> If you want a distraction-free word processor, you might also try Microsoft
> Word for DOS 5.5. Microsoft released this as a free (gratis) download from

I'm not sure about "free (gratis)".
IIRC Wd55_ben.exe was released to fix a y2k bug. So one would still need
a license (real, physical) to be on the safe side.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Configuration options for DOS beep

[Robert Riebisch]

Hi Mateusz,

> Look for MUTE110.ZIP:
> 
> https://www.sac.sk/files.php?d=16&p=48
> 
> "Mute is a small TSR that, once it is installed in memory, will 
> continuously scan the PC Speaker and reset it to 'No Sound' state."

Mute is clearly shareware:
"The registration fee for this program is 40 french francs.
Please note that Mute is shareware and is not free software nor public
domain software. If you use this program after a two week free trial
period, please register, so I can continue enhancing Mute and release
other neat programs to meet your needs."

> If that one doesn't work for you, then there are certainly other, 
> similar tools out there.

@Johnpaul: Search for "speaker" or "beep" on
. Download links are
not working, but are available from, e.g.,
.

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Re: [Freedos-user] DOS Software Catalog? Open sourcing DOS Apps?

[Robert Riebisch]

Hi Martin,

> I had been contacting OS/2 developers that no longer support their software
> and asked them to open source their software. Sometime I have luck,
> sometimes not, but I have been consolidating the source code on Github for
> some years now.
> https://github.com/os2world

I did similar for some DOS software, but didn't create a collection.
I think, it must have been around 10 to 20 titles, mostly small tools, IIRC.

> 1) I was wondering if in the DOS or FreeDOS community had been any similar
> effort.

I don't know about anything coordinated.

> 2) I also want to know if there some sites or a general community site like
> a wiki with a catalog of open source, close source, new, old  DOS software.

None that I know of.

> I know there are several sites of DOS games, but it seem there are no much
> sites that their goal is to have the DOS applications catalog.

Expect it to be a tremendously comprehensive task for years.

> For example I have one created for but OS/2 on a MediaWiki
> (https://www.os2world.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Software)

Looks impressive.

I already thought about something like that several month ago, but still
didn't start, because I still didn't define the scope:
- I wanted to start with the shareware archives, e.g., SimTel.Net.
- I had the idea of creating it in German language only, because that's
my native language.

So far, I just setup an empty PmWiki installation. (In contrast to
MediaWiki, PmWiki needs no database. It stores anything in text files.)

> My interest is OS/2 but I want to know if there are some similar efforts on
> the DOS community to see if we can join some efforts.

Would be nice, but as of today nobody else seems to care.
But maybe I'll start it anyway.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Multi-Boot with Windows 2000 and FreeDOS

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Hi Marv,

> I spent the last 3 days fooling around with several ways to set my
> Windows 2000/FreeDOS machine set up with a multi-boot menu. I tried GAG,
> Grub4Dos, and the boot.ini file that Windows 2000 uses.

Many years ago I had the DOS/Win2000 combo working on a single drive
using our: https://www.bttr-software.de/products/bootmgr/
The key is to hide unneeded partitions from the other OS.
See screenshot #2.

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Re: [Freedos-user] 2 printers on DOS

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Hi Dale,

> I think you're an expert on DOS.
> Can you tell me if there is a way to get DOS to detect 2
> printers on 2 different ports?
> It can only see 1 printer, the second is ignored.

How are the printers connected to the computer? Centronics? Serial?

How do you check, that DOS only sees one printer?
Maybe you need to configure the DOS application you print from for the
second printer.

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Re: [Freedos-user] 2 printers on DOS

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Hi Dale,

> I got it working. Changed port from ECP to SPP.
> The laserjet is now working on DOS.

Glad to hear that.

But always think about the environment before printing... ;-)

> Thanks.

You're welcome!

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Re: [Freedos-user] Floppy fetish search

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Hi Eric,

>> I don't need the actual floppies - but I'd love to have a photo of 
>> them.
> 
> Interesting thought :-) Might take a moment, but good idea. I also like
> the hard blue plastic boxes in which Inmac sold the floppies.

I always liked the red box from Dysan:
https://www.ebay.de/itm/New-Dysan-Dyson-100-10-Diskettes-MF2-HD-Quantity-1-pack-Sealed-/133110043536

Still have at least one of those here. :-)

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Re: [Freedos-user] Floppy fetish search

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Hi Eric,

> As Microsoft software has been sold with the vast majority
> of all computers ever sold, I expect enough of the dozens
> of millions of German MS DOS 4.01 and Windows 3.1 manuals
> to be available as historical documents so the world could
> get by without mine, but if anybody wants them, tell me :-D
> 
> Cheers, Eric
> 
> PS: Also let me know if you know of nearby (e.g. Germany or
> surrounding countries) nice computer museums, I am in touch
> with some really fancy hardware items for exhibitions :-)

Although your post is a little old, maybe Axel of
 wants some of your stuff.

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Re: [Freedos-user] VDE editor and variety of other interesting tools

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Hi Dennis,

> You're quite welcome, and your response is a major reason why I did
> it. It provides value to folks who visit.  There may not be a lot of
> them, but that's not the point of the exercise. (I also maintain the
> TextEditors.org site, that tries to list and document everything used
> as a text editor on a computing device (that may be a mainframe or a
> pocket calculator.) It's also low traffic, but I get occasional
> grateful emails from folks who discovered the site and found something
> that they wanted.  I smile and say "My work here is done..." :-) )

The TextEditors.org site is great! I use it from time to time. Thanks
for it!

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Re: [Freedos-user] AMB, Ancient Machine Book format and FreeDOS Help

[Robert Riebisch]

Hi Mateusz,

> Update: this evening I created an AMB reader for PHP. This allows one to 
> host AMB books on a web server and read them with a browser, the 
> conversion being performed on the fly.
> 
> The FreeDOS help that I have earlier converted to AMB can now be read 
> on-line. Here's how it looks like:
> http://ambook.sourceforge.net/samples/phpamb.php?fname=fdhelp.amb

I like it very much! :-)

Can we have:
1) Clickable web links, please? E.g., http://www.trumpet.com.au/ at
.
2) A back to home function by clicking on "FreeDOS help system (hhstndrd
1.0.8 en)".
3) A search function.

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Re: [Freedos-user] AMB, Ancient Machine Book format and FreeDOS Help

[Robert Riebisch]

Hi Mateusz,

>> 1) Clickable web links, please? E.g., http://www.trumpet.com.au/ at
>> .
>> 2) A back to home function by clicking on "FreeDOS help system (hhstndrd
>> 1.0.8 en)".
>> 3) A search function.
> 
> All very good ideas, but...
> 
> 1) I implemented an experimental linkification of URLs, but the result 
> is not really satisfactory. Problem is that URLs are sometimes 
> multi-line or contain weird characters (like ":") or are followed by 
> unpredictable content. I think I will remove this feature and instead

Okay. I understand your problem.

We could probably only catch those by starting to wrap all URLs in <> at
the document source level manually.

  (*06) http://ftp.gnome.org/mirror/archive/ftp.sunet.se/pub/
simtelnet/trumpet/tcp-abi/

  (*06) 

But there may be side effects, when <> is used for other stuff too.

> add a provision in the language for content creators to be able to 
> define external URLs, so the thing would behave in a predictable way.

> 2) easy and certainly good to have - added.

Thanks! :-)

> 3) definitely useful, but non-trivial to implement in an efficient way. 
> Full text search is something I plan to add to the DOS client anyway, so 
> I might reuse the same mechanism in the web UI for consistency. But as 
> said - non-trivial, planned "in the future".

Then I'll come back later on this. ;-)

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Re: [Freedos-user] AMB, Ancient Machine Book format and FreeDOS Help

[Robert Riebisch]

Hi Mateusz,

> On 08/12/2020 22:44, Robert Riebisch wrote:
>> We could probably only catch those by starting to wrap all URLs in <> at
>> the document source level manually.
> 
> Yes, that would be a very good compromise.

Not my own idea: <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3986#appendix-C>

"Using <> angle brackets around each URI is especially recommended as a
delimiting style for a reference that contains embedded whitespace."

>> But there may be side effects, when <> is used for other stuff too.
> 
> The linkification engine would not look at the <> alone - it would 
> rather try matching "". This would be much better than the 

Don't forget ftp:, mailto:, gopher:, telnet:, news:, file:, ...
(<https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Resource_Locator>)
What about scheme-less URLs, e.g.,  or ?

> current situation, and I do not think there would be any significant 
> side effects. But, in any case, this would require many corrections in 
> the help files.

And nobody wants to do the work...

We are not that many, but still *many*. It could be doable.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Virtual get-together

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Hi Jim,

>  I announced the virtual get-together here a few weeks beforehand, in
> several places: email list, website, Facebook, Twitter. For example, the
> website still shows the announcement  from " 2020-11-28 4:47pm " to say
> the virtual get-together will be " Sunday, December 13 at 11am
> US/Central. Use your favorite timezone converter to find your local
> time. " That was two weeks' notice.

I usually don't need a timezone converter, so I had no favorite so far.

But  worked fine for me.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Package discussion

[Robert Riebisch]

Hi Mateusz,

>> In my scheme the system would only have two ISOs: the basic,
>>and 
>>a TBD "extras". 
> 
> Myself I do not have a very fast internet connectivity. When I download DOS, 
> I prefer to download the strict minimum (MSDOS equivalent, ca 5MiB) and then 
> fetch the 2 or 3 extra things I like through FDNPKG (without sources).

I second that, because:
1) It's like MS-DOS (+ a /few/ updates).
2) It would make releasing new FD versions easier. New releases can
happen more often.
3) We could probably make some progress with bugfixing and enhancing the
kernel and FreeCOM (and drivers), because we get more feedback from
users, that something is not working in a new version. -- Yes, it sounds
a little like 'bananaware'. So, older (working) releases should be kept
online always.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Package discussion

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Hi Eric,

> I would strip DJGPP-on-ISO to the minimal C, maybe C++ infrastructure
> (not sure what BN, BS, DB, FQ, FX, GC, GP, MK, OB, RH, TX are, would

>From "FD13LIVE.ISO\PACKAGES\DEVEL\INDEX.LST":
djgpp_bn2.21.1  DJGPP binutils: linker, assembler, etc...   65b9df0a
djgpp_bs2.4.1   DJGPP Bison (a parser generator that is compatible with
YACC)   ac9be808
djgpp_db7.5 DJGPP Debugger (GDB)facd0d92
djgpp_fq2.30DJGPP FAQ documentation bbb38562
djgpp_fx2.5.4   DJGPP Flex (fast lexical analyzer generator)eaeafdc3
djgpp_gc4.71DJGPP GCC (C compiler)  3d2f4b32
djgpp_gp4.71DJGPP GPP (C++ compiler)4cdae694
djgpp_mk3.79.1  DJGPP make  64f0fd12
djgpp_ob4.71DJGPP Objective-C compiler  2a8503e3
djgpp_rh1.5 DJGPP RHIDE editor  71ed74d1
djgpp_tx4.12DJGPP Texinfo (info file viewer)261693f1

Not that hard...

> TPPATCH is both small and really useful (runtime error fixer for
> Borland compiled binaries which crash on too fast CPU, I believe?)

But its license is unclear, because so far we didn't find a way to
contact the author Andreas Bauer.

>> *Emulators:*
>> These are basically games.
> 
> Worse, they are infrastructure to run games, lacking the games.
> And they are pretty specialized, so I would move them to online.

+1

>> *Networking:*
>> Feedback is to keep the networking packages. I'm not sure about Gopherus,
>> but it's "retro" and not too big (2MB) so I have no problems keeping it.
> 
> That is larger than expected - make Gopherus EXTRA / ONLINE?
> 
>> *to keep:* arachne crynwr curl dillo dwol e1000pkt e100pkt ethtools fdnet
>> gopherus htget links lynx m2wat mskermit mtcp newsnuz ntool picosntp
>> picotcp ping rsync ssh2dos sshdos vmsmount vncview wattcp wget
>> 
>> *added from Utilities:* terminal
> 
> Hey that reminds me that FileMaven3 offers serial port file transfer :-)
> Do we have other "file link" type of in-house computer connector tools?

Nothing FLOSS, but some freeware:


>> Programs that I think are no longer needed and should be dropped
>> include gifsicle (manipulates GIF images) and Hide In Picture
>> (steganography program that hides files inside pictures).
> 
> Correct.

As the "maintainer" of the DOS port of Gifsicle: That's okay.

>> Also could remove PasswordBox, since a password manager on DOS has
>> limited usefulness
> 
> Oh yes.

No. Then we could also remove FreeBASIC, because *I* don't use it.
Funny note: PasswordBox is written in FreeBASIC.

With some changes one could make it his personal secret diary.

>> pdTree seems to provide duplicate functionality to Tree in the "Base"
> 
> Not sure. What are the features? I remember liking LCD (from dosemu?)
> which is an interactive change directory.

pdTree is listed on .

>> Also drop the utilities (4dos paint2 start) that have license concerns.
> 
> That is disappointing regarding 4DOS. Not sure about PAINT2.

Maybe doing a new FLOSS paint program would be an idea for newly joined
Aniket.

> And start - no idea. Regarding the checksum tools, we could
> use a few fresh algorithms for those, beyond MD5, SHA1 etc.
> I guess DAA2ISO is useful for some virtual machines? DZEMM
> still is only useful for Windows as far as I know :-p

'DAA2ISO is a program for converting the DAA and GBI files ("Direct
Access Archive" used by PowerISO and gBurner) to standard ISO.'

As the "maintainer" of the DOS port of DAA2ISO: Drop it.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Package discussion

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Hi Tom,

> googling TPPATCH easily leads to
> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/repositories/latest/devel/tppatch.zip

Correct.

> looking into this, IMO Andreas Bauer just throws this at the world
> with a 'here it is. do with it whatever you want, but of course there
> are no warranties' attitude.  there is really no point to not distribute this
> unless you believe in this GPL religion.

Wasn't me...

>> "we didn't find a way to contact the author Andreas Bauer."
> 
> you really tried hard ?

Probably not (this year).

> googling "Andreas Bauer", first hit:
> https://www.bauer-kirch.de/kontakt/details/andreas-bauer/
> 
> which is about as plausible author as it goes.

At least, it's a trace. We'll see. :-)

> has anybody tried to contact him?

I'll do so now.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Package discussion

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>> googling "Andreas Bauer", first hit:
>> https://www.bauer-kirch.de/kontakt/details/andreas-bauer/
>> 
>> which is about as plausible author as it goes.
> 
> At least, it's a trace. We'll see. :-)
> 
>> has anybody tried to contact him?
> 
> I'll do so now.

Got a reply today. Wrong Andreas.

Will try some others.

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Re: [Freedos-user] DOS software

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Hi Eric,

>> However, I have about fifteen linear feet of software and third party
>> books that I may have used but mostly acquired because I thought it
>> might be useful someday - including a two pound, still skin-packed,
>> package to connect DOS to a 3270.
> 
> I doubt that all software still works, in case it got shipped
> on magnetic media such as diskettes, but you could start by
> writing a list of book titles you want to get rid of here :-)

At the same time you write this message, I successfully read a 1994 3.5"
disk from a German book about Borland/Turbo Pascal 7.0. ;-)
But you're right. Not *all* software will probably work.

Now I'm thinking about temporarily resurrecting my old PC with a 5.25"
floppy disk drive to read two other disks from books.

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Re: [Freedos-user] DOS software

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Hi Ray,

> However, I have about fifteen linear feet of software and third party 
> books that I may have used but mostly acquired because I thought it 
> might be useful someday - including a two pound, still skin-packed, 
> package to connect DOS to a 3270.
> 
> I need the shelf space.  Does this stuff have any use to anyone?

At least in Germany, "retro" people pay a lot on eBay for DOS software.
But mostly for games. Maybe worth a try.

Otherwise putting the manuals to Internet Archive and/or bitsavers.org
would be great.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Problems with FDISK?

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Hi Eric,

> On BTTR, there is a thread about FDISK problems:

Link to the thread:


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Re: [Freedos-user] Any Gui?

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Hi Ray,

>> I have to agree that a GUI mnakes life a bit easy when envolving a tyask 
>> with a lot of files.
> 
> I disagree.  You want to copy, move or delete files or whole trees?  A 
> two panel, filemanager like Norton Commander and it's clones.  Move - on 
> the same HDD, and I believe delete, don't actually move or delete files, 
> it just rewrites the table, so it is instant.
> 
> I am keeping accounting and word processing on DOS so I don't have to 
> work with a GUI.  It is fast, stable, and the files are smaller.

My guess: For Joao a TUI is GUI, i.e., anything not commandline is a "GUI".

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Re: [Freedos-user] formatting disk

[Robert Riebisch]

Hi Tomas,

> On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 12:46:39 +0100, Eric Auer wrote:
>> Looking around on the internet a bit, it seems that if
>> you use Linux, you can install a PXE TFTP server [...]
> 
> Yes... of course, but I needed Serva for Windows, so it is easier to
> get everything in the same menu.

An Serva alternative:
http://tftpd32.jounin.net/
https://bitbucket.org/phjounin/tftpd64/

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Re: [Freedos-user] Xcopy

[Robert Riebisch]

Hi Bryan,

>> Try  XCOPY  C:\GAMES\*.* D:\GAMES /E /S
> 
> That worked fine.
> 
>>   */E*
>>Copy subdirectories, even if empty.
>> 
>>*/S*
>>Copy subdirectories, except empty ones.
> 
> I hadn't realised the need for those options.

Just from the help text I would think just /E is enough.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Which C compiler for targeting DOS?

[Robert Riebisch]

Hi Mateusz,

>> Can anyone recommend a good C compiler for DOS?
> 
> Turbo C 2.01 (gratis, very good software) and OpenWatcom (open-source, 
> tend to produce heavier binaries than OW, but comes with a more complete 
> libc).

AFAIK Turbo C++ 1.01 has less bugs than Turbo C 2.01, because it's newer
(1991 vs 1989).

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Re: [Freedos-user] Updates to the FreeDOS website?

[Robert Riebisch]

Hi Jim,

> Let me know what you think will make the website easier to use. I'll
> plan to tackle this in February or March, with plans to deploy in March
> or April.

Sounds good to me.

Just keep an eye on bandwidth for the front page. Not everyone has VDSL
or a leased line. ;-)

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Re: [Freedos-user] program installation (files from floppies)

[Robert Riebisch]

Hi Tomas,

> If I have a PC with Freedos as OS, and a USB drive with a series of
> directories, each containing the files from one floppy of a
> multi-floppy program distribution, so that e.g. there is an
> INSTALL.EXE on the first floppy, and at some point it is going to say
> please insert floppy 2, then is there some way to install this?

10-15 years ago I used the E0X TSR for that:
https://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/mailman/message/36959886/

You can get an UNARJ software from
.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Package discussion

[Robert Riebisch]

>>> googling "Andreas Bauer", first hit:
>>> https://www.bauer-kirch.de/kontakt/details/andreas-bauer/
>>> 
>>> which is about as plausible author as it goes.
>> 
>> At least, it's a trace. We'll see. :-)
>> 
>>> has anybody tried to contact him?
>> 
>> I'll do so now.
> 
> Got a reply today. Wrong Andreas.
> 
> Will try some others.

Summary:
1) Wrote to 9 different Andreas'.
2) Got 3 replies with "I'm not this Andreas, but good luck".
3) The other 6 are probably not interested in giving feedback.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Diskman in our Ibiblio collection

[Robert Riebisch]

Hi Eric,

> interesting that the DISKMAN website just WORKED.
> The idea to view it using archive.org came from
> Robert, maybe it did not work from his area? Odd.

It's not odd:
In private mail, at first, I cited something from
.
Then I sent two archive.org links, because that's exactly how they
appear in the "Useful Links" section at .

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Re: [Freedos-user] Print via USB

[Robert Riebisch]

Hi Eric,

> PS: We have GhostScript for PostScript processing and
> our "print screen hotkey" TSR exist for HP PCL, ESC/P
> and PostScript output. We have PDF viewers and it might
> be possible to use GhostScript to create PDF? Not sure.
> Some text editors also have built-in output converters.

I vaguely remember using ps2pdf in plain DOS 15 years ago.

https://geos.fandom.com/de/wiki/PDF-Erzeugung_mit_Geos_unter_DOS (in German)
http://www.nomdo.dds.nl/gs.htm

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