Re: Anyone done a BSD presentation to a Chamber of Commerce etc ?

[Julian H. Stacey]

Alexander Chamandy wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 22:13:03 +0100 (CET), Julian Stacey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > Anyone done a BSD presentation to a Chamber of Commerce etc ?  (=
> > IHK in Germany), that might be a particularly effective way of
> > advocating BSD to a wide influential group of decision makers ?
> > 
> > CNN has a (TV not web) feature on free software in business this
> > week, so a good time to approach business wherever CNN is watched ?
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> I haven't to an actual Chamber of Commerce, but I have to business
> leaders in the capacity of a consultant.  I think if we could create a
> flexible and in-depth presentation to use with such gatherings, it
would generate a lot of interest.

If anyone has down loadable stuff in eg format OK with
/usr/ports/misc/magicpoint
I'd grab it & use it.

As I'm British & in Germany, & businesmen aren't techies fluent in
English, it'd be enough work doing the verbal in German, & maybe
translating slides, without actually mastering the presentation
too, so I dont want to master something. (& we only need one person
or team to master, & it should be listed on a central index of
advocacy resources etc)

PS Re. Powerpoint. I wouldn't risk doing the main presentation in
that.  I would be prepared to do a short extra demo presentation
under emulation though, if viable, As suits would also be interested
in ease of use of other MS similar/compat. format & tools etc, such
as PP (Yawn!).

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Re: BSD advocacy at LinuxFest NW, April 30 in Bellingham, Wash. USA

[Julian H. Stacey]

"Jeremy C. Reed" wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> 
> > > Or are you able to prepare or provide flyers or other handouts?
> >
> > FYI: 3 BSDs leaflet (Free Net Open)
> > http://berklix.org/bim/leaflet/
> 
> leaflet_e.ps does not render for me. Just all white in gs/gv.

Sorry, Re-uploading, my 4.10 make + tools is OK, but 5.3 fails to add text.

> leaflet_e.pdf renders on to several pages, one column per page, instead
> of multiple columns per page.

Yes, Diffs welcome to Makefile or macro file

> I may retake your text,

welcome

> dump it into passepartout or scribus 

dont know them

> to generate a
> US Letter size tri-fold brochure ...

'diff -c' patches are welcome, both on the makefile & the text
master.  for all of US letter size switching, text content, format
bugs you reported.

We have an authors mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
via [EMAIL PROTECTED] for text changes to 
for http://berklix.org/bim/leaflet/
Fixes for Makefile & macros can go straight to me though, Thanks.

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Re: BSD advocacy at LinuxFest NW, April 30 in Bellingham, Wash. USA

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> Or are you able to prepare or provide flyers or other handouts?

FYI: 3 BSDs leaflet (Free Net Open)
http://berklix.org/bim/leaflet/

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Re: Cool, Matt!

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[ resent after bounce ]

> From: "Michael W. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Actually, Matt was on TSS twice "representing" FreeBSD, once with Murray
> in the "FreeBSD vs. Linux" show, and a second time with Brooks
> discussing FreeBSD clustering.

I went hunting for the clustering one  - No luck:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Tech+TV+FreeBSD+clustering+.avi&btnG=Search

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/2005-January/001585.html
 
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/attachments/20050123/a43b8a77/techtv-freebsd_clusters.avi.obj
Fails:  http://freebsd0.sitetronics.com/~eanderson/
ftp://jarjar.ijs.si/pub/video   just has the V. Linux ones
Anyone have a good URL ?

PS If anyone's looking for the FreeBSD V. Linux one:
ftp://ftp2.si.freebsd.org/pub/video/
   93419520 Sep  8  2003 freebsd_vs_linux-techtv_20030902-edited.avi
  276869120 Sep  8  2003 freebsd_vs_linux_shootout-techtv-20030902.avi

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Re: Cool, Matt!

[Julian H. Stacey]

[ resent after bounce ]

> From: "Michael W. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Actually, Matt was on TSS twice "representing" FreeBSD, once with Murray
> in the "FreeBSD vs. Linux" show, and a second time with Brooks
> discussing FreeBSD clustering.

I went hunting for the clustering one  - No luck:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Tech+TV+FreeBSD+clustering+.avi&btnG=Search

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/2005-January/001585.html
 
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/attachments/20050123/a43b8a77/techtv-freebsd_clusters.avi.obj
Fails:  http://freebsd0.sitetronics.com/~eanderson/
ftp://jarjar.ijs.si/pub/video   just has the V. Linux ones
Anyone have a good URL ?

PS If anyone's looking for the FreeBSD V. Linux one:
ftp://ftp2.si.freebsd.org/pub/video/
   93419520 Sep  8  2003 freebsd_vs_linux-techtv_20030902-edited.avi
  276869120 Sep  8  2003 freebsd_vs_linux_shootout-techtv-20030902.avi

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Re: BSD advocacy at LinuxFest NW, April 30 in Bellingham, Wash. USA

[Julian H. Stacey]

Resend after bounce.

> Or are you able to prepare or provide flyers or other handouts?

FYI: 3 BSDs leaflet (Free Net Open)
http://berklix.org/bim/leaflet/

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Re: Fund Raiser

[Julian H. Stacey]

Aaron Siegel wrote:
> Hello
> 
> According to netcraft there are 2.5 million webservers are running FreeBSD, 
> http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/06/07/nearly_25_million_active_sites_running_freebsd.html
> If each one of these sites gave a dollar each year that could fund a lot 

Before this list degenerates ito compete noise & no signal again
(eg Spelberg's "a conservative encourages" & Atkielski floggy of
the dead horse called "Satire" etc) ...

I suggest before everyone chews the fat on this latest `bright idea',
& flies off at wild tangents, as seems likely,
That we hold off long enough for [EMAIL PROTECTED] to
contact the FreeBSD Foundation privately, & then report back to list:
A) if they even particularly need any money at present,
B) if they think aj@'s ideas are something they'd be prepared to
   work with
If the foundation happen to say no to either, it'll save us all a
load more debate. (& if yes, then OK, I suppose debate & implement etc)

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Re: Cool, Matt!

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Thanks to Nikolas Britton (his http://www.nbritton.org/uploads/ is not
readable BTW, probably deliberately to save read load )
Thanks to those who setup torrent stuff.  I'm new to torrent, so
for anyone else who may be too, this is what I did:
ftp http://home.golden.net/~rcent/techtv-freebsd_clusters.avi.torrent
cd /usr/ports/net/ ; echo *torrent*
ctorrent py-bittorrent py-bittorrent-core py-shadow-bittorrent
py-shadow-bittorrent-core qtorrent torrentsniff
cd ctorrent ; make install ; rehash ; 
cd ~/tmp ; ctorrent techtv-freebsd_clusters.avi.torrent
I immediately got a 176M file (obviously just an empy lseek created
thing, to be filled later).   Over an hour later, du still showed
no progress, at Thu Apr  7 01:47:18 CEST 2005 (CEST = Greenwich
+01:00) & I still had
META INFO
Announce: http://www.owntracker.com/pqrt/announce.php
Create On: Tue Apr  5 20:39:23 2005
Piece length: 262144

FILES INFO
<1>  techtv-freebsd_clusters.avi [176344994]
Total: 168 MB

Already/Total: 0/673
Listen on: 2706
\ 2,[9/673/673],653,2931 | 0,0  E:0  
Failure!  Was it just that no servers were up running ?
(I ran it on an external host, to avoid firewall obstruction).
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Re: Cool, Matt!

[Julian H. Stacey]

> I've transcribed the dialogue to ASCII:
> http://daleco.biz/cluster.txt

Thanks.  I've grabbed that.

Has anyone tried torrent down loading ? & been succesful ?
Mine was stuck at 2 meg last 5 hours so I killed it - Again !

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Re: Cool, Matt!

[Julian H. Stacey]

Summary:
  Thanks, I've abandoned broken ctorrent & using a new non broken client, 
  detail below:

Detail:

Wille Harald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

> 4 people shared the file at this moment, what should be enough.
> ctorrent hasn't a "leach" mode (i think you mean leech mode). 

I checked spelling in the Penguin English Dictionary, - You'r right, thanks,
to paraphrase it:
Leech: blood sucking/ flesh eating/ clinging nasty.
Leach: to extract/ filter chemicaly.

> When you are downloading from a peer, you are also uploading
> (sharing) the file and you become another peer.
Yes,  happy to.

> If some clients are only downloading (not wasting any uploading bandwith) you
> are doing it with "maximum speed" -> which means "leech mode".
> 
> But that's not the way bit torrent was intended for. 
> ("Give and ye shall receive!")
> 
> I just seems that you have a bad connection at the moment.
>  
> > If your .torrent file is still handy, could you md5 it please, &
> > if it's not same as mine mail me a copy please ? Maybe mine is corrupted ?
> >   MD5 (techtv-freebsd_clusters.avi.torrent) = 
> > a1a4e1ba9e18e527555adad8b198c498
> >
> 
> Your torrent file is not corrupted.
> the MD5 of mine is the same:
> MD5 (techtv-freebsd_clusters.avi.torrent) = a1a4e1ba9e18e527555adad8b198c498

Good, thanks.
> 
> I am the only one, who seeds the file at the moment.
> I also copied the torrent and the final .avi file to my webserver.
> 
> You can get all from here:
> http://193.171.34.71/torrent

http://193.171.34.71/torrent & http://193.171.34.71
Fail (both localy via mozilla & remotely via lynx)
Traceroute works.  Ping fails.  Maybe a firewall your end is disrupting ?


Jeremy Faulkner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> ctorrent is a buggy unmaintained application and should probably be 
> removed from ports. I would suggest using the python bittorrent client.

OK, tried /usr/ports/net/py-bittorrent This is Working :-)
btdownloadheadless.py *torrent
pulling in at a steady 56 kB/s (my DSL s rated @ 768K nominal inward)


Nikolas Britton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Also do you have port 6881 open on the firewall?

I'm deliberately running it on a 24/7 server with no wall.

> I would try a different bittorrent client

Yes, that's the answer, thanks. I only perseverd with ctorrent
'cos I recall someone else on this list said they'd just used it succesfully,
I guess they used a different rev. to my FreeBS-5.3-Rel based rev.

> I personally am using Azureus, from ports.

OK, I see /pub/FreeBSD/branches/-current/ports/net/azureus 
not in 5.3-release & "only for i386" so noted for later thanks.

"Michael W. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
http://www.torrentflux.com/ ...
Thanks, noted for later.

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Re: Want a logo competition? Do it properly.

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"Fafa Hafiz Krantz" wrote:
> Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Desist breaching FreeBSD list charter else you will be reported for blocking.

  
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAIL
  "No posting should be made to more than 2 mailing lists, 
and only to 2 when..."
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Re: Want a logo competition? Do it properly.

[Julian H. Stacey]

"Andrew L. Gould" wrote:
> On Friday 06 May 2005 04:10 pm, Dan Langille wrote:
> > On 6 May 2005 at 15:01, Fafa Hafiz Krantz wrote:
> > > Wouldn't it be more fair to everyone if everyone could participate?
> > No.
> As a user that has reaped far more benefit from the FreeBSD, and thus 
> from its developers, than I could ever contribute, I agree with Dan's 
> rather concise answer.
> 
> I have expressed my views in the email lists; and if I had any talent, I 
> would submit a logo.  The decision, however, belongs to the Core Team.  

I recall hearing of an announcement to comitters list that they'd get a vote.
- though that's not on http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/announce.txt

> They've certainly earned it.

Yes.
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Re: Romanian BitDefender for FreeBSD Mail Servers line

[Julian H. Stacey]

> As a side note, BitDefender is a Romanian brand/product. It is
> developed by Softwin. The link in the main page of FreeBSD.org points
> to another site that announces the product, instead of the Romanian
> company's site..

Daniel,
  Do not cross post. Your
To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org
  breaches cross post rule in

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAIL
  Rule breaking (or claim of ignorance) will discourage others letting
  you change FreeBSD pages.

All, inc Daniel,
advocacy@ list is not a web designers chat room.
Regular hot air here from various people about web page design is Tedious.
  - advocacy@ is the Wrong Address to change content of www.freebsd.org
  - Use send-pr to submit web page corrections (for a commit to cvs/www).
  - www@ exists - use it !
Ref http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-www
"A mailing list that allows you to send mail to the
Webmasters, the managers of FreeBSD Project web servers
(not web servers that hosted on FreeBSD computers)."
  - webmaster@ is an RFC standard address, consider that too.
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Re: Main site makeover

[Julian H. Stacey]

Chris Zumbrunn wrote:
> That thread is in the freebsd-www archive...
> 
> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-www/2005-January/001934.html
> 
> I would personally prefer to drop the underlines.

Please: Those who want to influence http://www.freebsd.org
subscribe www@ & Do It There ! 

http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-www
   "About freebsd-www   English (USA)
   
   A mailing list that allows you to send mail to the Webmasters,
   the managers of FreeBSD Project web servers (not web servers
   that hosted on FreeBSD computers).
   
   To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the
   freebsd-www Archives. "
   
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Advocacy projects need manpower.

[Julian H. Stacey]

Background:
   "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" wrote:
   > *design* of the webpage, and I cant think of a better place to 
   > ask then advocacy, 
   
   No need to Think ;-)  _Read_ http://www.freebsd.org :
   Register the URLs the web obsessed should already be complying with:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
send-pr & set Category: www
   & Send diffs to commit to cvs/www to the above.
   
   Much noise on advocacy@ concerns presentation style of
   http://www.freebsd.org, so has as much impact as farting in the
   wind, as http://www.freebsd.org defines content as done by those
   behind the 3 URLs above, Not done by those on advocacy@
   
   I can't see those running http://www.freebsd.org should give a damn
   what we on advocacy@ think, when so many here who _claim_ to be web
   volunteers with plans to change stuff, are so ill disciplined, they
   don't even comply with URLs provided to co-ordinate web maintenance.

Useful Non Back Seat Driver Work Advocacy@ Could Do Instead:

   Form small teams to create (Not talk about) & maintain a single
   page printable double sided (letter And A4) 2 fold 3 column
   leaflet titled: "Why FreeBSD, Not Linux ?" similar to eg BSD
   leaflet (eg http://berklix.org/bim/leaflet/). Take that Makefile
   + Tex structure as a start if you want.  Multi lingual too later ?
   
   Create (not talk about) And maintain a FreeBSD `slide show /
   presentation (eg ports/misc/magicpoint format, usable on any cheap
   laptop to hand, (not just high end open office / starwriter capable
   laptops)'  For use with office projectors (beamers).
   
   Both for use in short notice, no time to prepare, quick download,
   print, & convince type scenarios, to management & chambers of
   commerce & installathons etc.  Whenever such opportunities arise,
   there rarely seems time to prepare for it, so we should have something
   permanently ready to download.

If there are volunteers who want to work on those, I can provide
(on http://berklix.org servers) extra mail lists, + web(*) space &
logins, a CVS facility too later if needed.  (*) I'm Not offering
to support web page rehashing of http://www.freebsd.org, just to
support leaflet & `slide show' production & maintenance).

Encourage noisey back seat web drivers to divert to the 3 URLs above.
Lets be quieter & contribute something useful, not make irrelevant web noise.

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Re: Advocacy projects need manpower.

[Julian H. Stacey]

John Jawed wrote:
> I'm sorry, I know I was one of the ones guilty of the site layout concerns 
> on advocacy. You (or possibly others) raised concerns about this, and I have 
> since moved all of my related subject(s) to freebsd-www.

Thanks John, Wishing you (& others who move www subjects there) success.

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Use send-pr. Use chat@.

[Julian H. Stacey]

> I feel the handbook could be made clearer in some areas, but I
> believe it is good in general.

( This Not directed at sender above, so sender's name omitted, but the above
  is a mild example of much worse noise from other hollow vessels on this list.
  If it doesn't help practical advocacy, a posting belongs to
  freebsd-chat@freebsd.org , not advocacy@ , please more subscribe chat@ )

Before posting to advocacy@ eg:
"I think ...  FreeBSD should  blah, wheeze, drone "
Ask yourself: "When Did I Last Contribute Anything To FreeBSD ?"

Please DO improve doc/ src/ ports/ www/  ...
create an improved version of the original master & then use diff & send-pr.
Non programmers contribute patches for doc/ & www/

Consider the gnats receipt from send-pr your licence to post advocacy@
(I sent a send-pr (re. man cvs yesterday), so I'm `paid up' for this one :-)

Go for it, send one !man send-pr ; send-pr
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Re: Explaining FreeBSD features

[Julian H. Stacey]

Advocacy@
cc Postmaster,

"Ted Mittelstaedt" dumped advocacy@ with cross posted irrelevant noise:
Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Other offenders also cross post off- remit irrelevance.
Advocacy@ has flooded to a cesspit of irrelevance.  
List remit:  http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy
Please report offenders & cross posters to postmaster@ for removal.
Thanks
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Re: Use send-pr. Use chat@.

[Julian H. Stacey]

> Hi Julian,
Hi Carsten
> 
> I wouldn't agree. When you consider the sheer amount of unresolved PRs, I
> have a problem with adding another one to that list.

Yes, worrying, but a seperate problem.
I suggested send-pr also for the Method: 

  Regular cross posters of hot air on advocacy@ seem probably half
  incompetent.  It'll take them time to learn to create better
  sources, & use diff -c & send-pr, during which they'll post less
  crap, & after they'll be more educated with less need to post
  noise as their only `Contribution'.

> All the more when I don't know that my PR is backed by a greater
> part of the community.  Only the fact that I can handle send-pr and
> I find me somebody with commit-rights doesn't make my contribution worthy.

Commiters decide what is worthy. Convince a committer, & job
done. Commiters have a structure of answerability to colleagues.

> Instead, I would
> encourage people to ask whether there is support for their issue. Of
> course, this doesn't apply to obvious bugs.

Yes, not good if we got a flood of noise via send-pr for cvs/www:
Better for those who like to talk web to susbscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Content of advocacy@ will remain mostly a cesspit until the over
opinionated & under skilled learn Not to excrete here without payment.
Pay Here:   man send-pr ; send-pr
http://www.freebsd.org/support.html#gnats

> On the other hand, I wish
> people would realize sooner when a topic has been enough talked about.

Yes.

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Re: Use send-pr. Use chat@.

[Julian H. Stacey]

"Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" wrote:
> Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> >>I feel the handbook could be made clearer in some areas, but I
> >>believe it is good in general.
> > 
> > 
> > ( This Not directed at sender above, so sender's name omitted, but the above
> >   is a mild example of much worse noise from other hollow vessels on this 
> > list.
> >   If it doesn't help practical advocacy, a posting belongs to
> >   freebsd-chat@freebsd.org , not advocacy@ , please more subscribe chat@ )
> 
> Julian, since you go out on a rampage everytime anyone posts 
> something on advocacy@, I just have to ask; what, in your opinion, 
> would be ok to discuss on this mailinglist?

That which the list should contain as defined on web page.

> Clearly, improving the website or writing new documentation does not 
> qualify in your eyes,

Not true. 
However improving the web site belongs on www@ not advocacy@

If you want to write docs, Do ! & Submit them with send-pr. Get busy :-)

> so Im kind of curious on exactly how you 
> define advocacy?

> FreeBSD.org describes advocacy@ as:
> "Furthering the Use of FreeBSD
> Share ideas and plan to increase the number of companies and 
> individuals using FreeBSD".

Fine

> The original poster had an idea that he thought could increase the 
> number of FreeBSD users, as well as allowing it to target new 
> usergroups. If that does not fit the description, I dont know what does.

Topics drift. Respondents drift.
Many writers clearly have no intention of doing anything but chatting.
Preaching to the choir is not useful.
Organising external advocacy is useful.

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Re: LWCE

[Julian H. Stacey]

Johnson David wrote:
> Will there be any official or semi-official FreeBSD presence at next months'
> LinuxWorld expo? If so, I would like to volunteer to help man a booth.
> 
> David Johnson

If some others wants a list where exhibitors co-ordinate for BSD events
in mainland / central Europe,  mainly in German & English language,
(but people on it might also know of other geographically adjacent lists).:
  BSD-EVENTS maillist  -  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Send administrative requests (subscription, vacation, ...) to [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
  To get help send a mail with the subject 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: FreeBSD's Visual Identity: Outdated?

[Julian H. Stacey]

Nikolas Britton wrote:
> Johnson David wrote:
> 
> > p.s. My apologies for not cross-posting like everyone else is. Old 
> > habits die hard...
> >
> cross-posting?, is this thread still active on advocacy?

It was a reference to too many others having been regularly breaking
the `Do Not Cross Post" rule.

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAIL

> switch over to my gmail account, so far I've only resubscribed to questions.

Consider also subscribing [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It's where web content discussion belongs, Ref
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-www
A mailing list that allows you to send mail to the Webmasters,
the managers of FreeBSD Project web servers (not web servers
that hosted on FreeBSD computers).  To see the collection
of prior postings to the list, visit the freebsd-www Archives.
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Re: BSDLive: FreeBSD Mini CD

[Julian H. Stacey]

> http://www.offmyserver.com/bsdlive

Nice idea, Thanks Matt. Downloading now.
Could you put an MD5 on that page too please ?

I'll have to see what mini blanks cost in the shops, & then keep a
couple in wallet to give away periodically)

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Re: Draft FreeBSD-6 release announcement or magazine article.

[Julian H. Stacey]

Scott Long wrote:
> Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> > Release Engineers,
> > + Various CCs
> > Is there a draft FreeBSD-6 release announcement please, 
> > to base a 2 page magazine article on ?  I only know of:
> >http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2005-August/018061.html
> >-->  http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.0R/todo.html#required etc, &
> >6.0-BETA3 /usr/src/UPDATING with eg
> > "FreeBSD 6.x has many debugging features turned on" etc
> >   
> > A German magazine, FreeX (ed. Rosa Riebl cc'd) asked Ernst Winter (cc'd)
> > for someone who could write a 2 page article on features new to FreeBSD 6.
> > Anyone been assembling similar material for other countries/ languages ?
> > No point duplicating effort.
> > 
> > Once we have raw material, there are native German speaking BSD users
> > on national & Berkeley In Munich http://berklix.org/bim/ mail lists.
> 
> We don't usually write the release announcements until right before the
> release.  I'd be happy to provide material for someone writing an 
> article, though.
> 
> Scott

Thanks Scott.
PS for readers of list advocacy@
Reason you didnt see my original post (which Scott luckily
quoted in full) was a temporary addressing problem my end).
Rosa,
2 possibilities:
- Recruit an English writer from list on header here,
  based on English text & translate. or ..
- Recruit a German writer, (My written German grammar is too horrible), 
  eg from Lists:
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Re: Michigan User Group

[Julian H. Stacey]

Perhaps better repost to list freebsd-user-groups@ not advocacy@
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-user-groups

"Michael W. Lucas" wrote:
> 
> Will's dad provided a place for us to meet regularly, and when Will
> left we lost that place.  The key to a successful user group is to
> have a place to meet consistently...

I started a BSD user group in Munich with the opposite view: A
previous BSD user group here had died a boring death partly because
IMO it kept meeting in the same boring small local bar.  The Munich
group http://berklix.org/bim/ we later created has been meeting in
a different restaurant every month for years now, (Indian, Greek,
Persian, Bavarian, Italian etc) & we're still doing that.

A few in Munich then wanted to meet in the same place every
month, & they splintered of.

We (BIM) decide where we're going by nominating & voting on our mail list,
hence people get to see who else is up for it this month etc.
To see how we do it
http://berklix.org/bim/stammtisch/
If you need a mail list to co-ord it, I can give you one if no one nearer will.

> But, if someone wants to take point on getting a place in east or
> central SeMI, I'd show up.  That makes two of us.  :-)
> 
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2005 at 11:49:45AM -0400, Frank Laszlo wrote:
> > Is anyone living in the metro detroit area and willing to revive 
> > SeMiBUG, or start a new? I read some -advocacy archives and it seems 
> > there hasnt been much talk about this since 2000. Formerly Will Andrews 
> > and Michael Lucas ran the show. since then, Will went on to attend 
> > purdue university, and is now living in colorado. I have not spoke with 
> > Michael in a while (May 2002) regarding this. At this point I am just 
> > probing for interest, and we can figure out the details after. Thanks
> > 
> > -- 
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> > Frank Laszlo
> > System Administrator
> > The VonOstin Group
> > Email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > WWW:http://www.vonostingroup.com
> > Mobile: 248-863-7584
> 
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> 
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Re: Beastie Pumpkin 2005

[Julian H. Stacey]

Yanek Korff wrote:
> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org
> Happy Halloween :)

Cross posting is deprecated.  Halloween is not BSD technology.

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Re: BSD booth

[Julian H. Stacey]

> It would also be if someone in Bulgaria could translate the
> stuff at http://www.allbsd.de/src/Flyer/FreeBSD/PDF/ (Please
> note that we currently work hard to improve those flyers and add
> 10 more, work is progressing fast).

There's English & German versions of a BSD leaflet at
http://berklix.org/bim/leaflet/
I'll add a link to  http://www.allbsd.de/src/Flyer/FreeBSD/PDF/

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Re: KDE marketing survey

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"Henrik Nordin" wrote:
> --===1880881416==
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
> Content-Disposition: inline
> 
> IEhlbGxvLAoKClRoaXMgbWVzc2FnZSBpcyBmcm9tIHRoZSBLREUgcHJvbW90aW9uYWwgY29tbXVu

Unquotable binary deleted, I'm not sure this isn't a spoof, but if
not a spoof, try sending text eg Ascii next time.

> dmVyaWdlIFN1ZWTDqSBTd2VkZW4KVGVsOiAwNDAtNjAyMzk2NgpNb2I6IDA3MDgtNjY1NjY5Cg==
> --===1880881416==
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Content-Disposition: inline

FreeBSD has its KDE people, archives & subscription here:
http://freebsd.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-freebsd

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Re: What sort of market does FreeBSD provide ... ?

[Julian H. Stacey]

> Something just for FreeBSD users (well, all *BSD users should be invited, 

Why not co-operate with Linux guys on this ?  there's Free Net Open
Dragon, & there' a load of Linuxes too, & a lot of the admin &
design would be the same to collect stats regardless, .. & a lot
of the hard  admin tool design issues, like how to decide & allow
when to autopsy transaction logs, & delete semi obvious / suspect
troll submissions, & update old entries, & change server & home
host numbers & functions etc, & issue people passwords so they can
change themselves.  

If much is done by a human it's thankless, & person would get bored,
better use a robot (mail or web or both), & then a lot of the design
would be common regardless if *BSD, *Linux, *Mach *Minix or whatever
had a few special questions only applicaple to that OS.

Results could be paralled mailed to multiple servers if we don't
trust `the other OS camp(s), but i'd trust eg Debian site or any BSD
site to host it, (I have 3 servers to host it on berklix.org,
& I'm sure 100's of other's d volunteer to host it too).  I sure
wouldnt want to spend time writing it though.  How about palming
it off on some Summer Of Code hacker next Northern hemisphere summer?

It's also possibly something non mainline computer people might do
for us ! Ethnologist/ social research students with some programming
skills, whatever they call themselves: Pperiodically I see references
to Geek numbers, free software users & what they're up to, seem to
recall something in Washinton Post a while back, though dont normally
read that.  Those people would be OS neutral too, 'long as they're
not Redmond based/ users/subsidised.

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Re: Win4BSD Pro Desktop Released

[Julian H. Stacey]

"Dan Perlman" wrote:
> Dear FreeBSD Community,
> 
> Thank you all  for the warm reception we received during our beta period.
> 
> We're now pleased to announce that Win4BSD Pro Desktop has now been released
> and is available for download and purchase.  Win4BSD Pro Desktop allows

I suggest you get yourself listed under
  http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/software_bycat.html

win4bsd in search box shows you already listed elsewhere like `media/news').

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Re: CDROM-Artwork

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Oliver Fromme wrote:
> Deb Goodkin wrote:
>  > [...]
>  > 2. In the description on the back of the DVD case and CD sleeve, only 
>  > use the "r in circle" for the first use of the FreeBSD mark. You can 
>  > probably do the same with Unix.
> 
> No, that will be insufficient.  It is required to add an
> attribution, according to The Open Group which is the owner
> of the UNIX trademark.  Note that it has to be spelled
> "UNIX" (all upper case); any other spellings ("Unix",
> "unix", "UN*X" etc) are considered an infringment of the
> trademark, except in private communications.
> 
> I know a company who once had legal trouble with The Open
> Group because of incorrect usage of the UNIX trademark on
> their web pages.  So this should be taken serious.
> 
> The Open Group has a detailed explanation of the usage
> guidelines for their trademarks (including UNIX) here:
> 
> http://www.opengroup.org/registration/tmug.pdf
> 
> There's also a quick and simple overview here:
> 
> http://www.opengroup.org/trademarks.htm
> 
> Best regards
>Oliver

To confirm upper case:
  Bell Systems Technical Journal July-Aug 1978 Vol 57, No 6, Part
  2, Page 1899 has it all capitals.  All through the book, the .rof
  macro generating the automatic footer does it as caps.  Bell sold
  Unix through a tedious chain of companies to whoever owns it this week.
Whether trademark & the code copyright were always sold in strict
tandem I never bothered to track. There were also the leaked Lyons
V6 books & things such as the SUID patent that moved asynchronously
from Bell straight to public domain. Heaven protect us from `rights'
nightmares, especially software patents nightmares of the future !

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Re: CDROM-Artwork

[Julian H. Stacey]

Oliver Fromme wrote:
> [Trimmed Cc list.]
> 
> Julian H. Stacey wrote:
>  >   2, Page 1899 has it all capitals.  All through the book, the .rof
>  >   macro generating the automatic footer does it as caps.  Bell sold
>  >   Unix through a tedious chain of companies to whoever owns it this week.
> 
> Well, the chain isn't that long and tedious, basically AT&T,
> USL, Novell and The Open Group.  And even USL doesn't really
> count because it was just a "daughter" of AT&T.  The Open
> Group owns the trademark for 13 years now.  Saying "whoever
> owns it this week" isn't really justified, I think.

Just a jaundiced view, was more to be read between the lines, eg:
"Who owns Unix?" issues have been around for decades: 1980 +-2
Unix wasn't just a license, but a trade secret, Lyons V6 books
got recalled & passed.  Universities were allowed sources,
polytechnics not.  After Bell & USL there was Unix Europe etc
in Putney, London that sold Unix licenses in the early 80s.
SCO involvements arose.  Unix & BSD trademarks, The non disclosed
BSD settlements, early patents issues eg SUID & compress. 

If BSD grows to interest marketers like Linux has, some predators
will migrate from Microsoft & Linux to BSD.  Some [big] users will
likely get opportunistically sued, There are always enough exploitative
people in business to assure that, ( & before anyone thinks "Can't
be sued, if done nothing wrong", Not so, One need do nothing wrong
& still be sued, eg:
- To chance lots of dodgy claims (Per USA judge criticising SCO).
- To waste time & disrupt a competitor's key personnel.
- To impose expenses that may not be recovered before insolvency.

With USA government & European Patent Office in an arms race
for future software patent trade wars, programmers may need lots
of patent lawyers, considering src/ & ports/ & cdrom/dvd
& ftp sitess, Future software patent claims may well outweigh
trademark compliance admin costs.

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Re: Anyone know of a pre ready presentation for Alternatives to Microsoft?

[Julian H. Stacey]

Continuance from thread starting:
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/2006-November/003003.html

"Jan Husar" wrote:
> Hello Julian,
> 
> I can take a look of something which i used in past but is mostly
> alternatives on workstation level for public administration (cos I'm
> solving such issues in European Commisssion)
> 
> the use of open standards such as ODF and PDF/A which is the *MOST*
> discussed issue within the European Union.
> 
> Workstation use of Linux and Server running BSD, explanation of why
> apache foundation was and is so sucessfull and so on..
> 
> Hopefully I have it with me, if not You must wait until I come back
> home to Slovakia and check my workstation at home.
> 
> Jan
> 
> ps: anyway, it's better to prepare something yourself and you can use
> mine as inspiration (or copy/paste even:)

Thanks Jan,
Did you find stuff I can work from ? URLs or per mail welcome.  Open
Doc Format of interest, as are other open office standards & tools.  
I can web host anything approriate / permitted under copyright

My presentation is now scheduled for Fri 6 Apr 2007,
I plan to prepare in this order:
- Appeal for raw material to work from, eg here & 
  I've contacted http://www.allbsd.de/src/Flyer/FreeBSD/PDF/ to see
  if they want to do a leaflet I could hand out at talk.  (Don't
  want to duplicate work 
  Most of this has probably been done before by Linux people but
  I'm not sure whee to look, could spend longer browsing & searching
  than writing my own ?
- Familiarise/acquire hardware tools 
- I have a stick mouse JVC Handy Mouse HC-MM55U 
- May buy a Wireless Media Presenter 
(posting soon about them on [EMAIL PROTECTED])
- Projector
Determine resolution on projector supplied.
Decide font size (not too small for back of room)
Test with my X config on laptop at end of a previous session
- Dummy `slide' preparation 
Probably on /usr/ports/misc/magicpoint ?
Perhaps do a framing macro.
- Try KDE system (not needed till now, I'm an old hand at Unix :-)
& confer with Ernst cc'd who knows more ports/ for users than me.
- Write presentation, including bits from above, + also from eg
http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/freebsd/#escape
http://berklix.com/free/
http://www.allbsd.de
- `Dress rehearsal ;-) to avoid demo effect.
- Give presentation. & publish on web after.

Anything I've missed ? Any resources (URLs) people can point me at ?

(I 'spose as we'll have 2 BSD laptops there, if we bought/borrowed
a webcam, we could record it, might interest some who can't travel
(& teach me what Not to do again ;-) )

> 
> On 11/27/06, Julian Stacey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Anyone know of a pre- ready presentation for Alternatives To Microsoft ?
> >
> > I've been asked to give a presentation (in English) to a bunch of
> > engineers in Munich end of Jan 2007.  On the basis "A good engineer
> > is a lazy engineer",  I'm asking before I write my own.
> >
> > I am _Not_ inviting a long thread, to rehash old well worn opinions
> > of PD src/ etc.  It'd bore me silly to read, let alone respond ;-)
> > & be very inefficient & achieve nothing useful to me.  I have decades
> > of experience as an engineer & with Unix/BSD & have a BSD group
> > here to back me up with ideas & criticism verbally & localy, faster,
> > more efficient than typing etc :-)
> >
> > What I don't have, but seek is a set of beamer slides I could
> > leverage from to save me time. (BTW I could equally leverage from
> > German or perhaps French slides if existant). I could also leverage
> > from a linux based slide set prob faster than starting from scratch,
> > or at least for inspiration.
> >
> > Anyone know of a similar presention pre-exisiting, Re. Unix that I
> > could leverage from (& give credit to) ?  Of course if I have to
> > write my own, I'll make mine public on web for others to leverage
> > from).
> >
> > I'll probably use a beamer with /usr/ports/misc/magicpoint unless
> > advised better ? (I dont fancy open office bloat to show
> > .pps, & dont particularly want to learn how to prepare .pps slides,
> > (though I'll probably show a few .pss) from a different topic to show that
> > power point presentations are also showable under BSD.
> >
> > I've bcc'd this to Berkeley In Munich http://berklix.org/bim/ where
> > Ernst has volunteered to help me, & others welcome too, but prob.
> > best focus short discussion searching for URLs for now via list
> > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Then later, nearer date doubtless
> > some local mail to BIM's list.
> >
> > URLs to presentations welcome. Thanks
> >
> > Julian
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Re: Vision impaired software on FreeBSD?

[Julian H. Stacey]

"Mr. Jim Vaglia" wrote:
> What assistive technology if any will run on FreeBSD? Is this
> what Mac and Voice Over is based on? Many blind people are mostlikely
> not interested in paying high cost of Windows Vista. Thanks for
> spreading the word among the public if all people with physical
> disabilities and impairments are able to use FreeBSD? Totally, blind
> from birth, totally in the *dark* on this OS. LOL

One problem: (last I knew), FreeBSD only has a graphical installer,
not Ascii text mode. So you might need somoene else to install it
for you.  

(That's of course doing a standard install off the cdrom or floppy
& net; if you happen to be a Unix expert there are ways of installing
using command line only, eg
   installing a spare disk on a PC, installing software, moving
   disk to new PC: all of that could be done in single line mode
   commands, possibly with one of those Ascii to braille
   40 char.  adapters a friend told me of 2 decades back, so might
   be possible but tricky.

Last I heard NetBSD still offers a line mode installer http://www.netbsd.org
NetBSD has less ported packages than FreeBSD but otherwise is
similar.  (well, more similar than eg Linux or Microsoft :-)

Apart from what Salvatore Albanese just mentioned, (hope you got it, not cc'd)

... It's also possible freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org might have
heard of other hardware.  Then again, as NetBSD is more hardware
oriented, those people may have heard of more controllable devices.

PS for anyone wondering, No, I'm no troll for NetBSD, nearly all
my many machines are FreeBSD, but NetBSD does have some advantages
in some places.

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Re: Vision impaired software on FreeBSD?

[Julian H. Stacey]

"Mr. Jim Vaglia" wrote:
> Thanks, my main reason for inquiring are for pc and Apple manufactures who 
> may be thinking of offering free bsd to Vista and Leppard as a alternative, 
> not really interested in messing up my current configurations unless 
> computer manufactures force a install download of free bsd then will have no 
> choice but to learn the OS. 

Dead end discussing then !  We don't want to coerce you to use
FreeBSD.  If your system vendor might coerce you, tell them to
advertise support jobs (to help you their customer) on
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> Besides installing I am intrested in the use of 
> talking software in tasks such as managing files on the harddrive with free 
> BSD, reading writing mail, instant messages, playing audio files over the 
> net, the use of these applications under free BSD with assistive technology?

FreeBSD has 16,000+ ported packages, http://freebsd.org/ports/

First help yourself:
   Determine precisely manufacturer & model number of your screen
   equivalent blind output device, & what standards if any it might
   conform to or emulate.

   Use a search engine to find if any flavours of BSD or Linux or
   packages (that would probabbly run on any free OS without great work)
   might already support your device, (to learn which OS or
   package users/developers mail list might be best to ask on).

   Install a spare hard disk, or use partitioner in FreeBSD cdrom /tools/
   Try installer, report results with manufacturer & model number.

Numerous public domain source developers would surely be prepared
to work at various discounts to integrate solutions, if
one's not available already.
   Enquire of any national or international blind group of which
   you may be a member, or your goverment, if a free public source
   solution for your device is available, & if not, whether they
   can jointly raise funds to sponsor development of a blind solution
   that's public source based, free for all, (if one doesn't already
   exist).  You'r the one with the problem, the undisclosed device,
   the contacts & the motivation, so if yoy do the arranging, FreeBSD
   or other public source programmers could certainly develop code.

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Re: Capital Area BSD Users Group meeting

[Julian H. Stacey]

"Todd C. Miller" wrote:
> The Capital Area BSD Users Group will be having its monthly meeting
> on Tues. February 27th, 6:30pm - 8:30pm at SPARTA in Columbia, MD.
> 
> Jason Dixon will be doing a presentation on recommended technologies
> in a modern *BSD-based mailserver.  The proposed setup includes
> Postfix, Cyrus-SASL, SSL/TLS, virtual user accounts, PostfixAdmin,
> OpenBSD spamd, Amavisd-new, SpamAssassin, Razor2, Courier-IMAP, and
> Courier authdaemond. Other technologies such as FuzzyOcrPlugin,
> RoundCube Webmail and server-side filtering with Courier maildrop
> will be touched on as well.
> 
> For more information, please see http://capbug.org/

I see the slides from the talk at that site, Thanks :-)

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Re: Seeking a FreeBSD users group in Columbus, Ohio

[Julian H. Stacey]

> I do not know of one, but I figure there are three of us here, and I
> could talk to a few others if we would like to start one.
> The question would be:
> Columbus Ohio,
> Central Ohio,
> Ohio
> or try to attach with several: midwest?

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Re: Lack of FreeBSD coverage in the UK media

[Julian H. Stacey]

Paul Waring wrote:
> I've noticed over the past few years that there has been a growing 
> number of Linux magazines available in the UK (Linux Format, Linux 
> Magazine and Linux User/Developer are the ones that immediately spring 

What one can leverage with magazines depends on local turnover/
size of national business, & if you can amortise costs by publishing
abroad too: 

It's a lot harder to write an article (more work, that fewer can
do), than it is for foreign magazines to find local people
to translate to local language. eg many Germans in computing read
English without problem, so its worth offering any BSD article
anyone writes to non English speaking countries world wide.

Best bet to be paid, might be to go for a USA / world distributed
mag like Dr Dobbs, (that has a hopefully decent turnover to start
with), & sell an article to them & simultaneously give them contacts
to the UK etc book trade to expand their international sales.

Mags want exclusive rights if paying, but if they get article free
(& translate to German, Korean or whatever themselves) then you can
dictate terms.

SKIP REST IF NOT INTERESTED IN BRITISH & GERMAN MAGs.

I've been in Munich many years, but British, so fell in to conversation
with a Brit. from Linux Mag. few years back when he was visiting
Systems, a trade fair in Munich:

Germany was Linux mag's cash cow, & Britain was a struggling
low turn over low\profit extension (*), so they often took
German stuff, translated it & tossed in a bit of local UK if
they found it.  They weren't overflowing with money for the UK
op. ( I was asking them if they wanted a BSD CD mastered, &
they said ask German parent co. as more money)

   (*) Still, remember the Beaching effect, the end station only
   _appears_ unprofitable, but if cut, the whole is less healthy,
   so UK probably helped toward commercial health of whole.

   He thought UK was pretty small market as a whole: far
   more MickeySoft addicted than Germany (chimes with what I saw):
   
  In Waterstones Tun Wells, UK: MS everywhere, virtually zilch
  else I recall (but TW has no university or polytechnic, no real
  industry or manufacturing, just inumerable pen pushers, (TW was
  1 of 12 designated zone centres for admin. in event of nuclear
  war, presumably 'cos no industry, (& Unix is since found where
  more technicly sophisticated users are perhaps ?).
   
  In Canterbury (small agricultural town with a cathedral, hence
  called a city, with a University (significant to early UK Unix),
  even in the Uni. bookshop there seemed rather a lot of MS & I
  dont recall BSD, but must have been some Linux.
   
  In Munich Germany, (city of ~2x 10^6 with lots of Universities
  & industry etc) although most is MS; Easy to find a variety
  of Linux Mags, & in main computer shopping street, shops
  sell h/ware without OS, & they Have heard of Linux & sometimes
  BSD, & dont assume pirate just 'cos you dont want to buy
  MS with h/ware.
   
... SO unless things have changed in last half decade, UK Linux mags
might not have lots of cash for articles, & Linux mags are hard to find
some places eg TW, & BSD ie exotic beyond belief.

German Mags (apart from Linux mag & Linux User mag):

   FreeX is not exactly a BSD mag. but nearish ... they publish in
   German, They are small & Not flush. Editor Rosa Riebl speaks
   English, they'd likely be interested if you weren't looking for
   [much] money http://www.cul.de +49.911.400030.

   IX mag. by http://www.heise.de (who also publish a great hardware
   mag `CT', but in German & off topic) `IX' mag has occasional
   trials in English, & an English web http://www.heise.de/english/

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Re: Lack of FreeBSD coverage in the UK media

[Julian H. Stacey]

Paul Waring wrote:
> Daniel Seuffert wrote:
> > But don't forget: It's hard work and you need people doing this work.
> > That's the problematic part and that's the main reason imho why we
> > don't have more media attention...
> 
> Is there not a project (other than this mailing list) within the work of 
> the FreeBSD Foundation to promote BSD within the media? All it needs is 
> for a small group of people to contact existing Linux magazines and see 
> what kinds of articles they are looking for and whether they'd be 
> prepared to accept BSD ones, and then try and find people who are 
> willing to write them.
> 
> I've taken a small step in emailing one of the UK magazines and asking 
> them if they'd include BSD groups in their local LUGs listings, it only 
> took a couple of minutes to write the email and the worst they can say 
> is "no".
> 
> Paul
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A friend of mine:
"Mahmut Kursun (Work)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
works for a Linux publisher in Munich (of several mags), he used
to import BSD CDs & knows what it is :-) & he speaks English German
& Turkish, so I suggest send him a copy. (i've cc'd him)

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Re: Libre Software Meeting in Amiens, France, 10-14 July

[Julian H. Stacey]

ros wrote:

Rodrigo, cc [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Perhaps you cc's advocacy@ in French by accident ?  If not:

It will be unintelligable to many on advocacy@ who may speak
only Russian & English, Italian & English, Japanese & English &
German, Korean & English etc.  Please repost in generic English.

American is the industry language.  (eg Korean Mboard BIOSes boot
with American not English key layouts etc, I'm British, lucky enough
to read German & French, but remember many can't read French).
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Re: Libre Software Meeting in Amiens, France, 10-14 July

[Julian H. Stacey]

Dag-Erling =?utf-8?Q?Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= wrote:
> "Julian H. Stacey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > American is the industry language.  (eg Korean Mboard BIOSes boot
> > with American not English key layouts etc, I'm British, lucky enough
> > to read German & French, but remember many can't read French).
> 
> You apparently don't read much French, 

A Guess.

> or you'd know what he wrote was a
> direct reply to the OP, accidentally sent to the list...

Your surmise of only intent might be right or not. I preferred to Ask.

> > Perhaps you cc's advocacy@ in French by accident ?  If not:

I asked as there's always been special linguistic emphasis in France:

   At 1st tech. session at the EUUG in Paris a quarter century ago, ~1982
   I had considerable sympathy for the non English native speakers
   who also didn't speak French, who argued for the conference to
   be in the English advertised, & not in the French the 1st tech.
   speaker persisted in.
   France since passed laws penalising foreign words in the press,
   & underwent internal debate on what language to publish scientific
   papers in.  Official language of telecoms is French, but Aviation:
   English, etc. Conference language is a question of particular
   importance in France.

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Re: Re. Anyone know of a pre ready presentation for Alternatives to Microsoft?

[Julian H. Stacey]

Dru wrote:
> On Wed, 16 May 2007, Julian Stacey wrote:
> > Ref. My
> >  Anyone know of a pre- ready presentation for Alternatives To Microsoft ?
> > In
> >  Mon Nov 27 12:05:26 PST 2006
> >  
> > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/2006-November/003003.html
> >  Wed Dec 20 11:46:12 PST 2006
> >  
> > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/2006-December/003034.html
> >
> > Five of us gave presentations 20th April 2007:
> > http://berklix.com/free/talk/   Alternatives To Microsoft
> > Archived to help others also promote free source.
> > Presentations are for newcomers/ managers etc, Not technical.
> > Please inform other BSD & Linux groups, to help them promote free software.
> 
> The two talks I gave at Linuxworld were well received by the managers in 
> the audience. Feel free to scavenge what is useful:
> 
> http://www.nycbug.org/files/20070504090509_dru_lavigne_oss_sysadmin.pdf
> http://www.nycbug.org/files/20070504090509_dru_lavigne_oss_desktop_apps.pdf

Nice, just been browsing them, my talk is done now, but
adding pointers from http://berklix.org/techtalk/#archives

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Re: Google tech talk: "How the FreeBSD Project Works"

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Edwin Groothuis wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 08:15:23PM +0100, Robert Watson wrote:
> > While at Google a couple of weeks ago, I gave my "How the FreeBSD Project 
> > Works" talk.  The video from that is now online:
> > 
> >   http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-4400856579609253323

This is a Problematic Page
Problems accessing with these browsers:
Mozilla consistently crashes when I view this web page.
(hang on transferring, page refresh fails on X page change)
Dillo   I dont see how to start download.
Mosaic  I dont see how to start download.
Amaya   I dont see how to start download.
Chimera "Could not load the first document because the document did not 
exist or the URL was incorrect."
Amaya   reports parsing errors (but log empty) (but that an old 
binary based on 6.1 tree, lib problem not impossible)
Kazekahase  First browser I tried that shows frames & enormous
empty frame with 
"Click to download a plug in"
Which when clicked does nothing.
Finally one's eye finds a small download
button off to right & download starts for
14516e2c0a7543a1.avi.avi.part

> > This is the same talk I've given previously at EuroBSDCon, AsiaBSDCon, 
> > UKUUG, and LinuxForum in the last six motnhs; it's significantly enhanced 
> > from the version that I gave at BSDCan last year (the first time I gave it).
> 
> Nice one! I've linked it at
> http://www.mavetju.org/unix/multimedia/freebsd/multimedia.html.

& at http://berklix.org/techtalk/#archives

Would be nice if [EMAIL PROTECTED] maintained a central index

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Re: Google tech talk: "How the FreeBSD Project Works"

[Julian H. Stacey]

Re.
> > >   http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-4400856579609253323

My download got truncated, (& browser didnt report it)
I downloaded twice more & compareed.
Suggestion for [EMAIL PROTECTED] : add to page:
Size:   320282390 bytes
MD5:d35635e0c8de79f34189959dbe170fb2
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Re: What Linux^W distribution would you most like to see supported on a ThinkPad?

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> Lenovo is asking this at 
> and, yes!, FreeBSD is a proposed choice.
> 
> ATM, the first choice is "Anyone that refuses to carry binary-only
> drivers, so that all others will also benefit, as it will require
> documented hardware", which is also a very good choice.

I of course like source too,
but this rather destroys the force of that argument:
On FreeBSD-6.2-RELEASE:
man nve
then go use find on /usr/src. it's a BLOB < Linux & MS compat
PS there's source coming in from elsewhere now for 
man nfe
in 7-current & patches for stable & 6.2

Summary: binary only doesnt seem to have precluded FreeBSD in case of nve,
though again, yes we all prefer source avail. too :-)

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Re: Independent security analysis of operating systems/applications

[Julian H. Stacey]

"Doug Poland" wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Recently some friends of mine have started to cite "studies" that
> assert Unix/Linux operating systems are now the most frequently
> attacked platforms.  My friends are not without bias, they work for a
> training firm that almost exclusively sells training for
> Microsoft-based platforms/applications.
> 
> Now my friends cannot cite the actual studies, and I am highly
> skeptical of their claims.  After about an hour of goggling, I could
> find nothing on the web to support such claims.  However, my friends
> are not liars,

If not liars: incompetent fools, or gullible, believing
what their source told them, or drunk when they `learnt', or 
winding you up for a `joke'. 

Not professionals, else one to another, they'd know better than to
excrete likely falsehood, & contentious flame bait, (be it by email,
or over rim of coffee mug or beer glass), without offering you URLs
immediately, on a beer mat, or offering to email URLs to references
next morning, as soon as they returned to keyboard.

I've also known Microsoft using half "friends" who said they'd caught
Microsoft viruses from me (I'm using exclusively self compiled
BSD), such really stupid assertions unretracted in face
of demand for evidence to trace, needs re-classification of "friend" to
"incompetent irresponsible acquanintance: waster, best ignored".

>  and I believe they have information from "somewhere".
> Is anyone aware of the existence of studies of this nature?

Last I looked on my firewall some time back, I saw only probes aimed
at MicroShi. pathnames.  Biggest & softest target ...

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [ISN] Top Ten Reasons Why Ubuntu, Is Best for Enterprise Use]

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"David Naylor" wrote:
> I really, really must be missing something.  Could someone please
> explain this to me:
> Why use open source if you do not even compile from source.  All Linux

Some reasons some might choose to use Open Source based:
Zero Purchase Price. 
Zero wait time to purchase, Download now.
Less Viruses or no viruses (Linux or BSD depending),
Not first target of viruses
Dont trust MicroShi*, (biggest ever fine imposed by EU on any 
company for monopoly infringement: MS Inc).
Want to look trendy by using Linux rather than MS
(yes people like that do exist, even if not us).
Different Licensing,
If a colleague wants a copy, give him one legally
immediately, no need to wait & buy one.
Different Support Model,
Per mail list is unpaid unguaranteed, 
but global 24 hours a day people are awake & respond.
Source available
If bug fixes or enhancements later needed, can easily
Pay a consultant to do it, Global Index:
http://berklix.com/consultants/
Can choose Any competing consultant, not dependent on
just one software vendor who has access to closed source,
but may not consider it his priority.
Security, Peace of mind:
Code can be read by many, loopholes exposed & fixed,
not hidden & left open.
16,000 odd packages, mostly free from ports/ many not on MS.

Even if not all have time/ skill/ interest/ to personally compile all used,
encourage people to use open source based, for the warm fuzzy feeling
they're doing the right thing.  even if they're not personally learnt yet
quite Why it's good to be open source based :-)

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Re: [Laptop] Battery Time

[Julian H. Stacey]

> Performance, Stability, and Reliability.  I have also learned (from my 
> laptop) that FreeBSD is also a Green OS, as it causes the hardware to 
> use less power than other systems.

If anyone has right contacts in eg HP/Compaq &/or US EPA (Environmental
Protection Agency ?) & other national agencies that compile lists of
preferred hardware for government agency acquisition,   ?

We could use that edge to get some good PR & HP/Compaq might get a
lot of government sales so might be keen to help - if anyone knows
right address so an approach isn't lost in spam.

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Re: Events calendar looking bare

[Julian H. Stacey]

> From: "Murray Stokely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I know there must be more events scheduled in 2008 so far besides just
> AsiaBSDCon and BSDCan.  Are there other events with a FreeBSD presence
> that should be added here?
> 
>   http://www.freebsd.org/events/

German Unix User Group has its spring conference in Munich, 11-14 March 2008.
http://www.guug.de/veranstaltungen/ffg2008/
(In German) doesn't yet list talks, but I wouldn't be suprised if some BSD.
I heard at Monday's Sage/Muc talk on CPUs (copy here in German:
http://www.guug.de/lokal/muenchen/index.html
) that GUUG have received about twice as many proposals for talks,
as slots available, but still open for more if submitted quickly.
BTW There's a nice BSD + VOIP +  Penguin logo here:
http://www.guug.de/veranstaltungen/index.html
I'll copy this to Berkeley In Munich 
http://berklix.org/bim/
list, maybe we'll discuss BSD for GUUG ideas at the Dec. 19th BIM meeting.

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Re: Current Gentoo user

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Chad Perrin wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 06:12:55AM -0800, Grant wrote:
> > What about skype, wengo, and vmware workstation?  Do they work on FreeBSD?
> I have no idea, I'm afraid.  Hopefully someone else on the list can
> answer that.  I've never used any of the three.

A VOIP (ie Skype) Asterisk developer (Emil Stoyanov. cc'd) who is
FreeBSD (& Linux) based did 2 presentations in Munich this year:

Longer more technical version to Berkeley In Munich group 2007_01_17
http://www.berklix.org/bim/talks/asterisk_overview_2007_01_17/

Shorter less technical overview to Munich Faraday group 20th April 2007
 http://www.berklix.com/free/talk/presentations/export/4_voip+bsd_v_linux_emil/

re. sound
> I still haven't used FreeBSD on a system with a 64b processor

Works on mine, uname & dmesg below:
FreeBSD fire.js.berklix.net 6.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE #0:
 Mon Sep 17 23:01:21 CEST 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 /usr1/src/sys/amd64/compile/FIRE64.small  amd64

CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ (2010.07-MHz 686-class CPU)
pcm0:  port 0xe400-0xe4ff irq 22 at device 17.5 on pci0
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Re: Current Gentoo user

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Grant wrote:
> > >>> It has recently come to my attention that FreeBSD is "similar" to
> > >>> Gentoo Linux.  I've been a Gentoo user for about 5 years and I love
> > >>> the concept, but it feels like the project is slowing down.  I like to
> > >>> learn/use/know one OS for server, media system, laptop, router, etc.
> > >>> How would you compare the two OSes?

Good Grief !  Too many questions on wrong list Grant, Install BSD
& try it!  Not that questions & answers aren't interesting, but on
the wrong list.  Please read the list charter for advocacy@ you got
when you subscribed.

Those with time & interest to read a list with individual questions
are subscribed to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Newbie questions belong on questions@,
not on [EMAIL PROTECTED]  As you appear to not yet even be commited to
being a newbie, you're over quota on advocacy@

"Compare this & that" questions can be politically loaded, often
asked by trolls, not that I'm suggesting you are, but its happened
before, & people may be walking on egg shells, trying to answer all
your questions diplomatically, but sooner or later an egg shell may
burst, to reveal those aren't safe chicken eggs but hide the snappy
fire emitting jaws of  Jurassic Park raptors ;-) I don't want to
see flames from accidents between *BSD (or Debian).

advocacy@ is to eg plan advocacy & PR campaigns & media contacts/
promos etc to attract a mass of interest in FreeBSD, It is not time
effective, or the right forum, to here support individual non user
questions. Please subscribe questions@ read http://freebsd.org more,
then post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks.

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Re: Current Gentoo user

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Grant wrote:
> 
> I misinterpreted "advocacy" then.  I apologize.

No prob. We have tons of lists, just a question of using the best one.

 
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAIL
 http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy
 http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions

Wishing you as much fun & use with FreeSBD as the rest of us, stick with it :-)

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Re: New BUG?

[Julian H. Stacey]

> What you think, should i start the papers and talking to directives in 
> the university?
> Thank you for any advice you can give me.

People with experience running BSD user groups are on an adjacent list:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
better ask there instead.

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Re: Study BSD

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Thierry Thomas wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> The site  contains educational videos.
> ATM there is only videos about NetBSD...

It requires Flash support in browser, subject of continuing frequent
pain, especially on AMD & non 386 & between versions.  If they're
that daft to rely on/ promote flash, drag in binary issues & compat
just to browse, Not interested myself.

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Re: FAQ Interactive, Are Video Games Good? A Non-Gamer's Perspective

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"=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel_Molina_Pascual?=" wrote:
> I'm not a gamer today but I was a
> moderate gamer during the late 80's and 90's.

Aargh !
Please move subject from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks.

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Re: BSDCon Barcelona'08

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I started to forward this to a friend who has a BSD friend in Spain,
but your un-necessary base64 comes out nbadly on EXMH.  If you fix
it & repost without base64 it will make it easier for people to
forward.  Base64 will also Not come out right on FreeBSD web mail
archives (so will not be picked up by search engines).


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Re: National mailinglists - why isn't it there yet?

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Ed Schouten wrote:
> 
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> Hello everyone,
> 
> I was just speaking with another dutch FreeBSD user (and developer)
> about FreeBSD mailing lists.
> 
> I know so far most of the national FreeBSD user groups have their own
> infrastructure that doesn't use any services from the FreeBSD project
> (for example, the Dutch BSD User Group, D-BUG).
> 
> Even though I am convinced the FreeBSD project should remain focused on
> developing its flagship product, the operating system, I think the
> community would have a great advantage if the project would already host
> national mailing lists, which should only be used for questions in the
> rare cases where the person doesn't understand English, but mainly to
> coordinate activities which have a national scope.
> 
> These mailing lists could be used to discuss upcoming events and
> conferences, but could also be used for discussions about translations
> of the documentation.
> 
> Is there a reason why such mailing lists don't exist yet? If not, what
> kind of procedures should one follow to create a mailing list for a
> certain language?
> 
> --=20
>  Ed Schouten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Only country I know of is Germany: In that case there is a DNS
localy delegated namespace sub domain de.freebsd.org, & within that
there were (last I looked) 7 lists run from a majordomo@ (not a
mailman@ http:// interface though they do have a mirror of the
standard http:// stuff ) Each country's localy oriented nationals
can do their own thing within that.

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Re: National mailinglists - why isn't it there yet?

[Julian H. Stacey]

Edwin Groothuis wrote:
> 
> As a mailman-owner hosting about 60 lists, I can tell you that it
> is possible in mailman to set the owner of a list to a person who
> wants to have the list and let them handle the bounces and unknown
> messages.

Ah Yes, sorry, I was forgetting that, all thre lists I run bar 2
are owner=me, but yes majordomo supports per list owners too. 

> > What benefit/ trying to centrally administer foreign lists ?
> 
> The benefit is that the remote people don't have to invest time and
> money in setting up a mailman infrastructure and going through all
> the learning process of getting everything right.
> 
> It's not a "you must do it here", it's an "you can do it here".

Ah, I see your point.

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Re: National mailinglists - why isn't it there yet?

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> hosts mailing lists for a variety of domains and they are willing to
> host Dutch FreeBSD mailing lists as well.
> 
> What steps should we take to get the domain delegated to their system?

I 'spose top owner is [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
name space already in place:
I'm tired, & tmp. forgotten Bind details of delegation, but
  nslookup
  set type=ns
  nl.freebsd.org
Authoritative answers can be found from:
ns1.vianetworks.nl  internet address = 212.61.15.8
ns2.vianetworks.nl  internet address = 212.61.25.226
I 'spose ask eg [EMAIL PROTECTED] whats in place

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Re: Dell Servers I have installed

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Szilveszter Adam wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 05, 2008 at 08:52:25PM -0400, james barbone wrote:
> > Please indicate the cost or the source for a basic FreeBSD 6.2
> > OS on a CD ? Is it possible to clone another mail server with
> > this same Disk ? 

6.2 has been declared End Of Line by security officer.
So use 6.3 Release instead.
7.0 exists too, but as you (james) dont know much about FreeBSD, use 6.3
instead for now, until 7.1 come out.

> 
> For FreeBSD itself, the software is free, and can be
> downloaded from the Internet. You can also buy it from several sources
> on CD and/or DVD if you prefer that. And yes, you can copy it as many
> times as you wish.
> 
> See here for details: http://www.freebsd.org/where.html
> 
> > We want to use http://www.axigen.com/mail-server/free.php
> > Who can help us ?
> 
> I have no idea about the exact licensing details for axigen mail sever,
> so you should ask them. Their licensing terms may be very different.
> -- 
> Regards:
> 
> Szilveszter ADAM
> Budapest
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Re: Dell Servers I have installed

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=?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= wrote:
> "Julian H. Stacey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > 7.0 exists too, but as you (james) dont know much about FreeBSD, use 6.3
> > instead for now, until 7.1 come out.
> 
> Excuse me, but what, exactly, is wrong about 7.0?

Nothing as such but this guy is new to FreeBSD,
& *.0 releases tend to have less smooth edges.
His choice of course.

> DES
> -- 
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Re: Help with a presentation.

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Please avoid un-necessary UTF-8. Ascii works better !

Anyway, I & others did presentations one evening last year,
feel free to use any data or tools etc you can from eg
http://www.berklix.com/free/talk/
http://www.berklix.com/free/talk/presentations/
http://www.berklix.com/free/talk/presentations/export/1_intro_julian/current/
Sources
http://www.berklix.com/free/talk/presentations/source/1_intro_julian/current/

PS a hint on lecturing:
Think back over all the lectures youve attended, & all the different
weird annoying distracting ineffective methods & habits all the
different lecturers had, & avoid that list, & you're off to a good
start just by avoiding that list :-)  Good Luck !

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Re: why no Oracle on FreeBSD ?

[Julian H. Stacey]

Saifi Khan wrote:
> Hi:
> 
> This is a newbie query.
> 
> i noticed that there is no Oracle available for FreeBSD
> http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/database/index.html
> 
> What could be the reason for that ?

Best ask direct of commercial application vendor Oracle.
IE wave money under Oracle's nose & ask to purchase what you want.

If Oracle think there's enough profit in it, there's many BSD
consultants eg http://berklix.com/consultants/ willing to work.

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Re: why no Oracle on FreeBSD ?

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> > > i noticed that there is no Oracle available for FreeBSD
> > > http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/database/index.html
> > > 
> > > What could be the reason for that ?
> > 
> > Best ask direct of commercial application vendor Oracle.
> > IE wave money under Oracle's nose & ask to purchase what you want.
> > 
> > If Oracle think there's enough profit in it, there's many BSD
> > consultants eg http://berklix.com/consultants/ willing to work.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Julian
> > -- 
> 
> i was wondering if there is any technical reason behind this ?

Most unlikely. Ask Oracle & tell advocacy@ what you find out.
I'd bet perceived market share & demand as ever, ie Money.

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Re: why no Oracle on FreeBSD ?

[Julian H. Stacey]

> > Most unlikely. Ask Oracle & tell advocacy@ what you find out.
> > I'd bet perceived market share & demand as ever, ie Money.
> 
> Hi Julian:
> 
> Here is the response on the Oracle forum thread to my posting,
> 
> """
> FreeBSD is a kernel not used in any extant operating system with
> the sole exception being Apple's Mac OSX so you are heading,

...

> Given the response, What is your analysis of the situation ?

Hi Saifi, 
I wrote:
> > Best ask direct of commercial application vendor Oracle.
> > IE wave money under Oracle's nose & ask to purchase what you want.

I meant contact Oracle Inc _Direct_ & ask to purchase licenses for BSD.
Not ask a forum of users including the clueless Oracle user you quoted.

If you only want to buy a few licenses. Oracle probably won't be
interested (unless you convince them you'r a path finder for more
purchasers to come);  ... but on top of Krad's Solaris approach,
if you wanted to try out Oracle, as well as native, you might perhaps
try it on a linux or opensolaris within eg
FreeBSD/branches/-current/ports/emulators/virtualbox/ (if you try
it & get stuck there's an emulat...@freebsd list).

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Re: FreeBSD gear (Clothes, machines)

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Allen wrote:
> PS; not to sound weird, but does anyone here have any neat hardware 
> configurations? Like a machine running FreeBSD that has like CD/DVD/Tape 
> /Cool hardware you're proud of? Thanks!

http://berklix.com/scanjet/   FreeBSD inside a scanner.

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Re: FreeBSD gear (Clothes, machines)

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Hi,
> From: Allen  

Allen wrote:
> >> PS; not to sound weird, but does anyone here have any neat hardware 
> >> configurations? Like a machine running FreeBSD that has like CD/DVD/Tape 
> >> /Cool hardware you're proud of? Thanks!
> > 
> > http://berklix.com/scanjet/   FreeBSD inside a scanner.
> 
> OK now THAT is awesome ! Heh, it's neat to think that someone sat there 
> one day and thought "Why the hell am I running scanner software that 
> can't even be updated anymore? Hmm, BSD!" wow...

Well, 2 chaps at a German University did Linux first, then David
Malone did FreeBSD, but in essence, Yes :-) People are encouraged
to click & glance at the photo, then if one turns up some time in
company junk room, rescue it.  Companies find the original NT
software useless, but the sheet feader + scanner + BSD inside works well.

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Re: Why no SAP nor DB2 on FreeBSD ?

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> Thanks for providing the perspective on the issue.
> 
> Here is a rather straight query, "how do we grow the userbase" ?

IMO enough noise.

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Re: 2008 EuroBSDCon PDF and Audio ?

[Julian H. Stacey]

Hi,
Reference:
> From: Saifi Khan  
> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:35:30 +0530 (IST) 
> Message-id:

Saifi Khan wrote:
> Hi:
> 
> Every year the EuroBSDCon has a new host site and the slides and
> audio/video seem to go missing after a while.
> 
> i'm trying to locate the stuff in 2009, about the 2008 EuroBSDCon 
> talks page at http://2008.eurobsdcon.org/talks.html
> 
> Does anybody know how the various slides and audio/video can be
> retrieved ?
> 
> Please excuse me as i am a newbie and was wondering if there is
> a technical reason for not having the slides and media stuff
> consolidated at a single site ?

[I believe I know the answer to that, but] ...  I don't see it does
any good for you to ask & get answers on that question via advocay@,
'cos that's not where those responsible could best be Direct contacted
to improve things.

Please think where you should first direct address your many
questions. Dont dump all to advoc...@freebsd.org.  eg in this case
use the whois command for the domain name @eurobsdcon.org, & First
mail there, or to postmas...@eurobsdcon.org or webmas...@eurobsdcon.org

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Re: leveraging FOSS, especially FreeBSD

[Julian H. Stacey]

Hi,
> From: Don Wilde  

Don Wilde wrote:
> http://www.engineeringjobfuture.com/articles/leverage/open-source-software

Article contains
"The lawsuit was bitterly contested, but finally resolved.
Everything developed before 1970 was declared by a judge
to be open forever more, and everything developed after
that was AT&T's property."

False. I stopped reading at that point, after all, the journalist
was probably just winging it, after a few emails to people who read
the activity at the time (inc many of us doubtless).

The people who know Most about the UCB Lite agreement, won't speak much
anyway - they signed non disclosures.

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Re: leveraging FOSS, especially FreeBSD

[Julian H. Stacey]

Don Wilde wrote:
> What is incorrect, Julian? 
.. etc.

In 1977 I started learning Unix V6 as a Unix newbie.  There were
no UCB bits I heard of till csh & job control & vi floated in to
my Uni. a few years on, maybe 1980 +/- a year or 2, I'd guess about
82.  Can't remember when I heard of first complete BSD releases for
PDP/VAX but after the individual bits.

man 3 ctime
"The functions ctime(), gmtime() and localtime() all take
as an argument a time value representing the time in seconds
since the Epoch (00:00:00 UTC, January 1, 1970; see time(3))."

1970 in context quoted below ? No. 

> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Julian H. Stacey  wrote:
> >> From:         Don Wilde 
> > Don Wilde wrote:
> >> http://www.engineeringjobfuture.com/articles/leverage/open-source-software
> > Article contains
> >        "The lawsuit was bitterly contested, but finally resolved.
> >        Everything developed before 1970 was declared by a judge
> >        to be open forever more, and everything developed after
> >        that was AT&T's property."
> >
> > False. I stopped reading at that point, after all, the journalist
> > was probably just winging it, after a few emails to people who read
> > the activity at the time (inc many of us doubtless).
> >
> > The people who know Most about the UCB Lite agreement, won't speak much
> > anyway - they signed non disclosures.
> 
> -- 
> -- Don Wilde
>" Engineering the Future "
> http://www.EngineeringJobFuture.com

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Re: why BSDs got no love

[Julian H. Stacey]

Matthew Seaman wrote:
> ... an installer as
>  a
> CLI program that reads in a fairly simple fixed script or language to do 
> the
> installation work, and have separate Curses and/or X based programs to al
> low
> users to create the installation script interactively.  

I admit being seduced at times by graphical interfaces, but 
bland blue screens hide a lot of action & info CLI allows.

I was told blind people need CLI, cos Braille output devices do one
line of 40 chars, (& expensive; possibly mass production might lower
costs / inrease resolution, but Braille is different for different
languages, discouraging mass production ).


Peer Schaefer  wrote:

> BTW, the Debian installer consists (a) of a modular, frontend agnostic
> backend, and (b) different frontend "plugins", e.g. a curses-frontend or
> a X/GTK+-frontend. This is a modular and very elegant approach (but
> surely difficult to implement).

Perhaps the way to go is a common table of target defaults eg
/usr/src/usr.sbin/sysinstall/install.cfg 
Which could then be edited by all of
Front end CLI   (*)
Front end curses GUI(*)
(*) Maybe these 2 alternatives should be 
the first question the installer asks ?
Front end X11 GUI (for later after main install complete 
- Shudder, Not that I'd use it, but someone 
  would probably want to write one).
vi - for editing, & writing back to new boot media,
to auto install on multiple identical new machines.

All of 4.11, 7.1 & 8.0 man sysinstall contain:
This product is currently at the end of its life cycle and
will eventually be replaced.

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Re: why BSDs got no love

[Julian H. Stacey]

Randi Harper wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Julian H. Stacey  wrote:
> > Peer Schaefer  wrote:
> >
> >> BTW, the Debian installer consists (a) of a modular, frontend agnostic
> >> backend, and (b) different frontend "plugins", e.g. a curses-frontend or
> >> a X/GTK+-frontend. This is a modular and very elegant approach (but
> >> surely difficult to implement).
> >
> > Perhaps the way to go is a common table of target defaults eg
> >        /usr/src/usr.sbin/sysinstall/install.cfg
> > Which could then be edited by all of
> >        Front end CLI           (*)
> >        Front end curses GUI    (*)
> >                (*)             Maybe these 2 alternatives should be
> >                                the first question the installer asks ?
> >        Front end X11 GUI (for later after main install complete
> >                                - Shudder, Not that I'd use it, but someone
> >                                  would probably want to write one).
> >        vi - for editing, & writing back to new boot media,
> >                to auto install on multiple identical new machines.
> 
> 
> I would sooner stab myself in the face.

Not obvious at all which your personal revulsion applies to
CLI ? ncurses ? install.cfg ?, X11 ?, vi ?

I was trying to think of a unifying structure that would allow for
variant personal preferences, inc. prefs to avoid some interfaces.
(eg personally I've no use for X11 post install, or 'vi install.cfg`
mass production install,  but there's others it would attract).

> > All of 4.11, 7.1 & 8.0 man sysinstall contain:
> >        This product is currently at the end of its life cycle and
> >        will eventually be replaced.
> 
> 
> Sure, once someone writes something everyone can agree upon. Until
> then, sorry, you're stuck with sysinstall. :)

Yes, & All will never agree, it's schismatic, sort of thing
attractive to PCBSD DesktopBSD or Yet-Another-BSD forks/front ends, 
or about as endless discussion as which brewery brews best beer :-)

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http://bsdfund.org/contact/

[Julian H. Stacey]

Hi advocacy@ people
>From browser ports/www/dillo side bar of LinuxFund I found:
http://www.linuxfund.org/   ->
http://bsdfund.org/card/->
http://bsdfund.org/contact/
Names of organisers Michael Dexter & David Mandel are not familiar to me.
Wondering if a competitor to FreeBSD Foundation .. or .. ?

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Re: http://bsdfund.org/contact/

[Julian H. Stacey]

Hi,
Reference:
> From: Steven Kreuzer  
> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:09:23 -0500 
> Message-id:   <4913ef8e-a6f2-45b0-9dd0-e324ab3b5...@freebsd.org> 

Steven Kreuzer wrote:
> 
> On Jan 4, 2010, at 9:49 AM, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> 
> > Hi advocacy@ people
> >> From browser ports/www/dillo side bar of LinuxFund I found:
> > http://www.linuxfund.org/   ->
> > http://bsdfund.org/card/->
> > http://bsdfund.org/contact/
> > Names of organisers Michael Dexter & David Mandel are not familiar to me.
> > Wondering if a competitor to FreeBSD Foundation .. or .. ?
> 
> 
> Michael Dexter was on bsdtalk to talk about the bsd fund and he gave a good 
> overview
> of what they are doing. You can listen to it at 
> http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/2009/06/bsdtalk175-bsdfund-with-michael-dexterhtml

Page not found
Sorry, the page you were looking for in the blog bsdtalk does not exist.

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Re: http://bsdfund.org/contact/

[Julian H. Stacey]

Hi Steven

> Not sure what happened in your mail reader, but there should be a "." between 
> "bsdtalk175-bsdfund-with-michael-dexter" and "html"

Whoops, tired else I should have spotted that thanks.

http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=10803+0+current/freebsd-advocacy
shows yours as
--
Michael Dexter was on bsdtalk to talk about the bsd fund and he gave a =
good overview
of what they are doing. You can listen to it at =

http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/2009/06/bsdtalk175-bsdfund-with-michael-dexter=
.html

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Michael Dexter was on bsdtalk to talk about the bsd fund and he gave a 
good overview
of what they are doing. You can listen to it at 
http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/2009/06/bsdtalk175-bsdfund-with-michael-dexterhtml

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& reccomend typing \r by reflex when one gets near col 80 ;-)


> Try this url: http://bit.ly/62Meme

Thanks, that does forward to 
http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/2009/06/bsdtalk175-bsdfund-with-michael-dexter.html
Downloading now.

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Magazine article authors sought for a Linux mag that would take BSD

[Julian H. Stacey]

Hi advoc...@freebsd.org
A Linux magazine in Munich Germany is advertising to pay for articles
on OS's other than Linux, eg could include BSD. They posted to a
Munich Solaris group (forwarded below). He wrote in German to that
list, but he says articles acceptable in English too.  If interested
contact Oliver Frommel  direct.

Disclaimer: I'm not involved (just also in Munich, so noticed posting)

Forwarded from: "Julian Stacey"  http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/

--- Forwarded Message

>From ug-mucosug-boun...@opensolaris.org Wed Jan 13 17:20:28 2010
From: Oliver Frommel 
To: ug-muco...@opensolaris.org
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:02:25 +0100
Message-Id: <20100113160227.84c5a3030...@mail.linux-new-media.de>
Subject: [ug-mucosug] Autoren gesucht
List-Id: Munich OpenSolaris User Group 
List-Unsubscribe: ,

List-Archive: 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: ,

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes"
Sender: ug-mucosug-boun...@opensolaris.org

Hallo zusammen,

darf ich mich kurz vorstellen, ich arbeite beim Verlag Linux New Media  
AG als Chefredakteur der Admin-Sonderhefte, die bisher vorwiegend  
Linux gewidmet sind. Wir möchten uns allerdings in Zukunft auch  
anderen Systemen mehr öffnen, darunter (Open)Solaris.

Deshalb würde ich mich über Artikelvorschläge zu OpenSolaris und  
Verwandten freuen, am liebsten lösungsorientiert, aber gerne auch die  
Vorstellung von besonderer Technologie und so weiter. Veröffentlichte  
Artikel werden selbstverständlich bezahlt. Nicht zuletzt interessiert  
mich auch eure Meinung zu der thematischen Erweiterung unserer  
Zeitschrift. Ihr könnt diese Mail auch gerne an Interessierte  
weiterleiten, auch englischsprachige Artikel sind prinzipiell  
willkommen.

Die bisherige Homepage des Hefts findet ihr hier, bald wird es aber  
eine eigenständige Site geben, auf der auch (Open)Solaris angemessen  
repräsentiert ist: http://www.linux-magazin.de/sonderheft

Beste Grüße
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Re: Website Add Request

[Julian H. Stacey]

> Hello FreeBSDers,
> 
>I am asking you to add our ArabBSD website in website list supporting
> FreeBSD. We have summer training for grapping FreeBSD developers which will
> start by the next week. All the materials for our summer training will be
> available on the website. We will start uploading by the next week. Our
> website is https://sites.google.com/site/arabbsd/
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mohammed

freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org is wrong list to ask on

webmaster@ 
might work though I dont recall success with that

Look at list of mail lists 
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo
& see:
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-www

Maybe also use send-pr
category www

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http://www.softwarefreedomday.org global city teams recruitment

[Julian H. Stacey]

Hi advoc...@freebsd.org

http://www.softwarefreedomday.org are recruiting city teams to promote
Free Software globally on Sept 17th.

Any teams that get registered in the next week or just over will also get
a free shipment of proomotional goodies. Inc Ubuntu CDs.

yes, not the right note ideally for us perhaps, but if it gets people of
Micro$oft its still good.

I wrote to http://freebsdfoundation.org/ to see if they fancied sponsoring
some BSD CDs.

Here's an example of page set up for team Munich city Muenchen country Germany
  http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2011/Germany/Muenchen/Munich
  http://berklix.org/sfd/

Please consider joining with other free software groups in your
local city to get a team together for http://www.softwarefreedomday.org
If you'r quick about it, you can get a publicity starter pack of
freebies from softwarefreedomday.org

PS I hold no official position or remit etc with any of 
softwarefreedomday.org
freebsd.org
freebsdfoundation.org
I'm just a long term user & code contributor to FreeBSD,
& a team leader for softwarefreedomday.org for my local city.

Its an opportunity for us to co-operate globaly for a day, with
other BSD & Linux & FSF & Perl & Apache etc people in our individual cities.

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Re: Netcraft reliability survey

[Julian H. Stacey]

Mason Loring Bliss  wrote:


> Attached,

Not attached.   (Mailman discards attachments on various lists).


>  please find a screenshot of the current front page of Netcraft.
> This can be seen here:
> http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2011/07/08/most-reliable-hosting-company-sites-in-june-2011.html

Not top page now, 
Never was a copy of top page,
but an archived copy of Part of what was top page.


> I thought it might be worth a mention on the freebsd.org front page.

Not chance on _front_ page, IMO.  It would have to come off again next month.
Nice idea to put a reference somewhere to top 3 all being FreeBSD that month.

Run send-pr & provide text diff & specify which www sub page it should apply to,
to achieve what you suggest.  Just posting this list will not achieve it.


> I'm not subscribed to advocacy@, so if you want to reply to me, please do so
> explicitly.

DoneMason Loring Bliss 

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Re: Netcraft reliability survey

[Julian H. Stacey]

Hi,
I restored cc:advoc...@freebsd.org
which Mason Loring Bliss  dropped.

Reference:
> From: Mason Loring Bliss  
> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 10:47:25 -0400 
> Message-id:   <20110810144725.gb2...@blisses.org> 

Mason Loring Bliss wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 01:53:29PM +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> 
> > Not attached. (Mailman discards attachments on various lists).
> 
> I was referring to my message's state on leaving my system. I of course can't
> speak to what external software does to it.
> 
> 
> > >  please find a screenshot of the current front page of Netcraft.
> > 
> > Not top page now, 
> 
> Again, I used the word "current" to denote something with a temporal aspect.
> 
> 
> > Never was a copy of top page,
> 
> Is a photograph of a person still a photograph of that person if it only
> shows their face, or their upper torso? Pedantry can be amusing, but only
> when it's unassailably accurate.

Please file a precise proposal via send-pr, what text should change
from what to what on which FreeBSD page.  Else your post achieves nothing.


> > Nice idea to put a reference somewhere to top 3 all being FreeBSD that 
> > month.
> 
> Agreed.
> 
> 
> > Run send-pr & provide text diff
> 
> I'd have to install FreeBSD or some portion of it to have a send-pr that
> knows to talk to FreeBSD project servers.


Wrong.  There's also a live web interface running on FreeBSD server,
2 clicks from top page http://www.FreeBSD.org
http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html


>  This is slightly more effort than
> the good feeling of helping the advocacy effort is worth to me, as it turns
> out.
> > Just posting this list will not achieve it.
> 
> In that case, it won't happen, and I'll think nothing more of it! But, in any
> event, thank you for your reply.

If you will not install FreeBSD, Use http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html ,
Do neither to prove yourself irrelevant to FreeBSD as no page would change.

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> (if awake 'sleep (aref #(sleep dream) (random 2))) -- Hamlet, Act III, Scene I

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Re: Netcraft reliability survey

[Julian H. Stacey]

Mason Loring Bliss
cc advocacy@

> From: Mason Loring Bliss  
> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:57:30 -0400 
> Message-id:   <20110810165730.gd2...@blisses.org> 

Mason Loring Bliss wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 06:37:44PM +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> 
> > I restored cc:advoc...@freebsd.org
> 
> Posting something sent privately to a public list is inappropriate and in
> general considered rude. Perhaps you've not been using the Internet terribly
> long, so I'll forgive it this time, but look into netiquette sometime. Here's
> a good start:

No one else explained to you how to contribute your info. to FreeBSD
So I tried, as I just knew it would get buried in mail archive, &
FreeBSD would not benefit from your posting unless you bothered to
send-pr & identify a particular FreeBSD web page where we could
incorporate a text & link.

So you wrote:
1 You don't use FreeBSD, 
2 You are not subscribed to advoc...@freebsd.org, 
3 You do not want to contribute, 
4 You called me a pedant.
Well I'm easy on (4),
I don't know you, & don't need your opinion after 1,2,3.
But then
5) You moan about restoral of CC advocacy@,
   but 1,2,3 are relevant to the list thread,
   as it's thus clear one of us should do
   work you refuse.
Ref.:
> If you will not install FreeBSD, Use http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html ,
> Do neither to prove yourself irrelevant to FreeBSD as no page would change.

Now 
6 You insult advoc...@freebsd.org
  > Is the advocacy list filled with morons?

Please do not abuse list advoc...@freebsd.org

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Re: Netcraft reliability survey

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"Julian H. Stacey" wrote:
>  as it's thus clear one of us should do
>  work you refuse.
> Ref.:
> > If you will not install FreeBSD, Use http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html ,
> > Do neither to prove yourself irrelevant to FreeBSD as no page would change.

I found a freebsd.org page where it could be added, & ran a send-pr
I'll post ID when I get auto reply.

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Re: Netcraft reliability survey

[Julian H. Stacey]

Jared Barneck wrote:
> > "Julian H. Stacey" wrote:
> > I found a freebsd.org page where it could be added, & ran a send-pr
> > I'll post ID when I get auto reply.
>
> Thanks Julian!

Thanks to you too Jared, I see you were next volunteer up to bat, well done :-)

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=159664
Now awaits a commiter presumably from freebsd-www@
If any of you want to add text / whatever, One can click on "Submit Followup"

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BSD media is going to 200 cities for http://softwarefreedomday.org

[Julian H. Stacey]

Hi advoc...@freebsd.org
BSD media is in transit to 200 global cities for
http://softwarefreedomday.org in 23 days

However it &/or other BSD media will need copying to keep up with Linux
as theres a Lot more free Ubuntu CDROMs going out at the same time,
(a question of what richest sponsor pays most for)

You could offer to run off a batch for your local city's SFD team.
Maybe charge a beer or coffee copying charge per media to cover cost ?

You could join the softwarefreedomday.org team in your local city,
to help promote free software.
http://softwarefreedomday.org/map/index.php?year=2011

A sample from Munich Germany http://berklix.org/sfd/

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Re: BSD media is going to 200 cities for http://softwarefreedomday.org

[Julian H. Stacey]

Hi,
Mark Lein wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Julian H. Stacey  wrote:
> 
> > Hi advoc...@freebsd.org
> > BSD media is in transit to 200 global cities for
> > http://softwarefreedomday.org in 23 days
> >
> > However it &/or other BSD media will need copying to keep up with Linux
> > as theres a Lot more free Ubuntu CDROMs going out at the same time,
> > (a question of what richest sponsor pays most for)
> >
> > You could offer to run off a batch for your local city's SFD team.
> > Maybe charge a beer or coffee copying charge per media to cover cost ?
> >
> > You could join the softwarefreedomday.org team in your local city,
> > to help promote free software.
> >http://softwarefreedomday.org/map/index.php?year=2011
> >
> > A sample from Munich Germany http://berklix.org/sfd/
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Julian
> 
> Now first off, don't get me wrong as I love FreeBSD... but wouldn't it make
> more sense to send out something like PC-BSD? Something that people can run
> without muss nor fuss, like Ubuntu?
> 
> Mark

Hi all,
Which BSD media ended up in SFD city packs I'm not sure:
  I haven't received mine yet.  FreBSD logo is on
  http://softwarefreedomday.org, PC-BSD was also considered.  FreeBSD
  Foundation & IX Systems were in the loop. I started the initiative
  to add BSD media, but dropped out when it became more a logistics
  decision: who could rush provide bulk BSD media to the SFD central
  distribution point before city packs were globaly distributed.

SFD would not be averse to more variety of BSDs & Linuxes etc.  200 BSD
discs, 1 per city is just a start, SFD hopes cities can localy
replicate BSD media.  I encourage *BSD people to contact local city SFD
groups, & offer to copy a variety of *BSD media, give lectures.  do
installs, hand out media or leaflets whatever you fancy.

It's a day for *BSD & *Linux etc to co-operate together, to evangelise
against proprietary closed commercial binary, but If we BSD don't
act, as Ubuntu has a rich & generous sponsor, on the day, Ubuntu
media will out number BSD media by 100 to 1.

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Re: Most secure Operating-System?

[Julian H. Stacey]

Hi Alec

> If my project proposal is successful, I will be implementing this
> system to replace a  windows environment at one of the largest banks
> in the country.

Which country ? There's about 190 !  eg Luxembourg has lots of banks  ;-)


If you are proposing OpenBSD, presumably you first posted
on their list, so please post the URL to that thread, to save us
repeating stuff etc.

If you haven't ...  be careful, people might suspect troll bait.
This list here is for FreeBSD not OpenBSD.

For BSD info, you can get multi lingual leaflets at 
http://www.allnet.de 

You might get more useful balanced advice by going to a local BSD
group & offering to buy a free beer from one of each BSD camp to advise you.

Or,
Try inviting your local BSD guys to give a comparative
20 mins each on *BSDs as a combo lecture at your local city's
http://www.softwarefreedomday.org 
& please send us URLs to the talks after.  

You can afford to buy them all a beer & pizza, to reward them to
prepare their talks 'cos you said this is for a big bank chain ;-)

Or, for professional advice please contact your nearest BSD consultant:
http://berklix.com/consultants/ 
worldwide geographic indexed, more entries welcome.

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[SFD-discuss] SFD 2011: very hot! (fwd)

[Julian H. Stacey]

Anyone have local in- country media or press release contact addresses for
http://www.softwarefreedomday.org   Which is this Saturday: 17 Sept 2011.

Some countries listed below & some on graphical map at
http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/map/index.php?year=2011
don't have contacts yet.  Contacts requested, please send to Cc:'d
"Frederic Muller - SFI" 

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Hi guys!

We've now reach 402 teams with a few extra countries compared to 2010
(we've also lost a lot of teams in China for example ~40) and are
getting huge web traffic and excellent press coverage:
http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/press

I am compiling a small list of big media site where I'll submit a short
intro/PR and keep my fingers crossed. If you help me to find the
contact/submit page for big media in your country I don't mind
submitting as well (or maybe I should just share the text, later today
but the text needs to be slightly adapted per country).

So far i was thinking to submit at:
USA:
- - CNN
- - FoxNews
- - NY times
- - Computer world
- - Reuters
- - ABC News
- - USA Today
- - CS News
- - Washington post

UK:
- - The Guardian
- - BBC
- - The Register

France:
- - TV Channel 1 & 2
- - Le Monde
- - Le Parisien
- - Le point
- - Liberation
- - Le Figaro
- - Nouvelobs

Germany:
- - ??

Thanks.

Fred


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Re: T-Dose 5&6 November

[Julian H. Stacey]

Rob Snelders wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> The 5th and 6th November is the 6th edition of T-Dose. This is a free 
> Open-Source Conference held in the city of Eindhoven, The Netherlands.
> On this conference we are trying to hold a open-source 
> "software-market". We would like to ask if FreeBSD is interested in a 
> stand at the market to promote and discuss about Open Source.

Hi 
Late reply as just got back:
FYI
http://softwarefreedomday.org
http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss

has a mail list with other groups who may be interested too.

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Re: virtualbox-ose on FBSD

[Julian H. Stacey]

Hi,
Reference:
> From: Paul Lambert  
> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 23:50:32 -0500 
> Message-id:   
>  

Paul Lambert wrote:
> I have completed installing VB on FBSD with good results to report.  Though
> it did require several days of researching various system tweaks the up and
> running VB that I have is almost 100% on par with VMware.  I have a couple
> of Windows VMs running and I believe FBSD is a better virtual host than
> VMware on Fedora.  However, since I have not run VB on Fedora nor VMware on
> FreeBSD this is only an unsupported observation at this point.
> 
> I would like to communicate with the FBSD VM evangelist about several
> topics if possible one topic is regarding USB.

freebsd-emulat...@freebsd.org
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-emulation

http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-usb

> Also, I would like to communicate with the FBSD desktop evangelist as well

http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo

> about a few ideas particularly someone who has access to Firefox/Mozilla
> developers.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Paul
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Re: Suggested article to be referenced from FreeBSD Home Page

[Julian H. Stacey]

Hi,
Hans Ottevanger wrote:
> Hi advocates,
> 
> This article
> 
> http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/why-arent-you-using-freebsd-178119?page=0,1
> 
> was "discussed" on Slashdot shortly after it appeared.
> 
> Still, I think the article is of a quite reasonable quality and is good 
> publicity for FreeBSD. It certainly deserves to be mentioned under "In 
> the media" on www.freebsd.org.
> 
> And if this is not the right list: who do I need to contact for this?

I recall webmas...@freebsd.org often not responsive,
So either use
send-pr 

or from
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo
freebsd-www FreeBSD Project Webmasters
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-www
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Hans Ottevanger

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Re: [Fwd: ] The inquiry about EFF

[Julian H. Stacey]

Hi,

> I think the idea of inquiring about the EFF licences to be a good one
> but I hardly think this email is well written. Are you a native
> speaker of English? 

toredhiddenuser@ seem a troll. I dropped its CC. 
You'r right, it's not native English.

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Re: AW: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

[Julian H. Stacey]

> FreeBSD should position itself as the best product for newcomers to the 
> UNIX-world.

No. It could damage FreeBSD.  At present we largely just need to
educate newcomers from eg Linux etc (who already know some Unix),

We don't need to be swamped with noise from lots of clueless Microsoft
zeroes, who don't / can't / won't think & will not read manuals, &
won't even in desperation occasionaly look at source code for a clue.

Clueless mouse clicking, lazy loosers are served (*) by Microsoft.  
(* `Served': As cows are, by a bull ;-) 

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Re: 20 significant FreeBSD events?

[Julian H. Stacey]

"Jeremy C. Reed" wrote:
> I'd like to write an article (a lot later this year) celebrating 
> FreeBSD's upcoming great milestone by briefly summarizing the 20 most 
> significant events in FreeBSD's life.  It doesn't have to be one event 
> per each year, but that would be an interesting thing to do also.
> 
> Please share your thoughts and opinions for this. (I already have a list 
> in progress.) You may email me directly off-list if you'd like.
> 
> (I may also use this list for further research toward my book on BSD 
> history. See a brief status report here: 
> http://www.reedmedia.net/books/bsd-history/ )

Ideas, Not all in cron. order:

Precursors:
  - SUID bit patent donated from Bell/Unix Dennis Ritchie to PD (when?)
  - 386BSD < Bill Jollitz
Early Life 
  - 386BSD Patchkits 
{
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/history.html

http://www.public.iastate.edu/~gendalia/FAQ/FAQ_01
"For our European users, I have included these notes from 
Julian 
Stacey (sta...@guug.de) and Christian Seyb (c...@gold.muc.de) 
concerning locations and methods for getting 386bsd in Europe"
... 
"from Jordan Hubbard:

On the morning of 30 December, 1993, and after many many 
delays, 
the first official release of FreeBSD 1.0 began shipping on 
CDROM"
}

  - The 386BSD/NetBSD/FreeBSD split
(was it or wasn't it a split from 386BSD via Net to Free or 386BSD
direct to both FreeBSD & NetBSD ? )
{
{
A friend (bcc'd) active then & still now has
recollected to me a split from NetBSD to form
FreeBSD, yet I mostly recall a progression from
386BSD via patchkits to FreeBSD, I'm tempted to
trust his memory more than mine, but not sure :-)

The URL below suggests parallel evolution:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/386BSD
"After the release of 386BSD 0.1, a group
of users began collecting bug fixes and
enhancements, releasing them as an unofficial
patchkit. Due to differences of opinion
between the Jolitzes and the patchkit
maintainers over the future direction and
release schedule of 386BSD, the maintainers
of the patchkit founded the FreeBSD project
in 1993... Around the same time, the NetBSD
project was founded by ...

http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-archive/NetBSD-1.0/CHANGES
"NetBSD 0.8 to NetBSD 0.9:" ... "add patch00144"
(I dont know where #144 came from, but it
was my tweak to compress that Jordan rolled
back into patchkit 36 or so after he'd given
me 18 or so. 

Somewhere Ive seen individual patchkit lists, but
here's just a list of all contributors:

http://docs.freebsd.org/doc/3.3-RELEASE/usr/share/doc/handbook/x19406.html
}
- 1.0 Release Dec. 93

http://web.archive.org/web/19961221043141/http://www.freebsd.org/releases/index.html
- 1.1

http://web.archive.org/web/19961222050828/http://www.freebsd.org/releases/1.1/RELNOTES.FreeBSD
"It is based heavily on Bill Jolitz's 386BSD
0.1, with additions from "the patchkit",
NetBSD, CSRG, and the Free Software Foundation.
}
"

  - The USL v UCB etc settlement (secret content, signatories 
could not disclose, but lawsuits stopped & a files discarded & rewritten).
  - An estimated date of when Linux end user numbers pulled ahead of BSD ?
(The skeleton in our closet: BSD was there before Linux,
but Linux pulled ahead with cheap floppy sets (& later
CDROMs) sold by students via magazine adverts, while we
BSD'ers did not bother with cloning floppies etc for little or
no reward, except for persistent friends)
  - When FreeBSD ${arch} went [well] beyond 386 ?
  - BSD licence reduction - 1 UCB naming clause less.
  - The Dragonfly divergence.  
  - The OpenBSD overlay (different sort of split)
  - 1st live (run from CD) .iso shipped by .org
  - Democracy arrives: election of core by commiters etc
  - FreeBSD Foundation created, & when it exceeded 5x10^5 $/annum
  - 1st FreeBSD conference, 1st in Can, 1st in EU
  - Security intrusions (2 to my memory, the recent & 
years back after which there was a call to re-read all src/ code.)
  - The move from majordomo@ to web based http://mailman
  - The move from sccs (or was that pre FreeBSD?) to cvs & cvs to svn
  - When 

Re: Verisign Announces vBSDCon

[Julian H. Stacey]

"Miller, Vincent (Rick)" wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Verisign, Inc., who has become involved with FreeBSD over the last 3 years, 
> would like to announce a user and developer conference to be held Oct 25 – 
> 27, 2013 at the Dulles Hyatt in Dulles, VA.  More information on this 
> conference is available at 
> http://blog.hostileadmin.com/2013/04/17/vbsdcon-oct-25-27-2013/.  We are 
> excited to host this conference and are looking forward to seeing you there.
> 
> --
> Vincent (Rick) Miller
> Systems Engineer
> vmil...@verisign.com

No discouragement intended to Vincent (Rick) M, who I guess has
probably worked hard to get his comany to fund something that will
hopefuly bring useful synergy, but ..

The URL & beyond didn't seem to include why one commercial company
agreed to pay & host a BSD conference alone, when they could chip
in with other companies to be one of several funders for a conference
that would be vendor neutral ?

The 8 line signature from corporate lawyers does not allay scepticism.

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Re: About FreeBSD.org visitors

[Julian H. Stacey]

Hi, 
Eitan Adler wrote:
> Here is an overview of the people that visit FreeBSD.org:
> http://people.freebsd.org/~eadler/files/Report-10.01.pdf
> 
> Some takeaways:
> 
> - More than half (60%) the people that come to our website leave
> without going to another page (called 'bouncing').  However these
> users spend more time than any other user per page.
> - Non-bouncing users had an average of just over 4 pages per session
> but spent about an average of 0.86/s per page.  They spend most of
> their time on the last page.
> 
> >From these I think we can take away that most people come looking for
> something very specific.
> How can we fix this?

Thanks for raising the interest Eitan.

I've always considered the 'new' (2005) FreeBSD web front page bad,
obstructive, hiding better simpler pages beyond.  I've always assumed
the front page detered some newcomers, so much so I've often told
people to ignore the nasty front page as best they can. Pre 2005 was better
http://www.berklix.org/freebsd.org/
(Disclaimer: I had no hand in pre or post 2005 front page).

2005 was first knocked up by a summer student to then fashionable
corporate bland style. Probably he'd just been taught that's what
industry wanted, was polishing his resume, & showing he knew HTML
tricks, eg a squint eyed font size.  I recall some FreeBSD people
then were taking themselves too seriously, & finding a corporate
style web page projected a supposed serious [business style] image
they liked. Sigh.

PS Ref. squint eyed web page:
  One should Leave the default font size - default size ! not
  shrunken !  The reader should decide what size he/she wants to
  scale his browser, not have some fool young web page writer who
  knows nothing of readers eye condition force some readers to
  squint.  By all means add some href'd A A A
(ref http://www.bbc.co.uk/accessibility/ )
  But leave font default size Not shrunken by default.

Having "Site Map" in light grey font is dumb !
Harder to read. Not all eyes are young, though most web designers are.
"Site Map" should move next to Search box.

FreeBSD is not flogging products to suits, we're promoting a free
& fun OS & experience, with intellectual challenge/ opportunity.
Catch the interest of techies/ nerds/ geeks/ hackers browsing mid
evening now, & next year we catch their business bosses, who they
tell "Hey you could make/ save money leveraging on this"; But a
corporate format squint eyed front page is not going to attract
lots of casual browsers to read on, whether they're hackers or
suits.

Colour:
  A spot more colour would be nicer (aka 2005) (though I do Not mean 
  eg Dark blue or red text on black background one occasionaly sees :-)

  Better use of colour : Remove all the excremental 
  directives that precede  Better search maybe?

Certainly needed !
Search on FreeBSD.org has been half broken for many years, often
little or nothing useful & lot of irrlevance , I prefer an external
search engine & tell it to look on freebsd.org domain.  I imagine
there will be 2 camps: to keep our internal search, & for external
search, so I suggest put a 2nd search box parallel to the first, &
let people searching choose.

After I saw Net & Open had integrated a google box on their sites
years back (& it worked better than FreeBSD internal search), I
added external search on http://www.berklix.org - it was quick easy.
(I know monopolies eg google are bad, so if anyone knows alternative
search engines easy to embed, let's hear ? (I have a list of some
searchers here, maybe some have interfaces ? : http://berklix.com/search/
))


> Improved navigation bar?
> Its up to you to work on this.

Toss the front page, Start over in the style of 2005


> - New users spend a lot *less* time on the site than repeat visitors.

I'd expect that.

> Do we need better advocacy data?  Less text to confuse new users?  

Remove irrelevance like "new commiter" to a developers page or drop
down menu, it's Not of wide public interest.

Regular column "Upcoming Events" usually has too much wated white space.

In the first sentence we lose the public:
 "FreeBSD is an advanced operating system for modern server, desktop,
 and embedded computer platforms."

Platforms ? FreeBSD is good for trains ?

Study tabloid newspapers. Keep titles short !
Avoid Americanisms where often more verbose than English.

s/Upcoming Events/Events[ Coming]/  or /Future Events/ (8/6 ;-)
s/Latest News/News/ Or also offer "Boring Old News" ;-)
s/Get FreeBSD Now/Get FreeBSD/  Or also offer Get Next Month ;-)
s/In The Media/Press/
s/a large team of individuals/a large team/ 'individuals' is implicit.

"Based on BSD UNIX 'R'" Add 2 hrefs.  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix


> Is
> this trend specific to FreeBSD or is it true across the board?
> 
> - Internet Explorer is 10% of our traffic.
> 
> Many of ours users use Windows as there primary desktop platform.
> Probabl

Re: About FreeBSD.org visitors

[Julian H. Stacey]

Christopher Henderson wrote:
> Hello Unix Fans,
> 
> I'm an on again/off again BSD/Linux user.  I'll spend a few years in one, 
> then 
> the other, etc.  I'm getting the FreeBSD itch again so I visited the website. 
>  
> One big problem for me is that there is no obvious link from the front page 
> listing supported hardware.  I finally stumbled upon the release notes but 
> its 
> just a flat text file.  Why not HTML?  I hated having to scroll through it to 
> find out if my wifi card is supported (Alas, it is not.  But OpenBSD supports 
> it.).  

Yes, I just went that route searching for a driver, hard work,
have a look at http://www.berklix.org/~jhs/txt/driver_search.html

Turns out one wireless driver (urtwn, Realtek RTL8188CU/RTL8192CU
USB IEEE 802.11b/g/n, Belkin F7D1102 Surf Wireless Micro D-Link
DWA-131 Edimax EW-7811Un Netgear WNA1000M Realtek RTL8192CU Realtek
RTL8188CUS ) was never put in 9 but is in FreeBSD 10 Alpha release,
if you'r luck may be the same one I found.  I just downloaded a 10
.iso alpha to try.

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Julian
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Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] vBSDcon: October 25 - 27. 2013 in Herndon, VA

[Julian H. Stacey]

Steven Chamberlain wrote:
> On 14/10/13 14:20, Miller, Vincent (Rick) wrote:
> > Just a friendly reminder vBSDcon is less than 2 weeks away
> 
> These reminders via FreeBSD-Announce are getting to be annoying...

Agreed. On too many lists too. 

It's abuse on announce@freebsd, 
 It is not an announcement, just yet another boring reminder of a regional
 event many on global lists will not attend.  
 Compare with discipline of AsiaBSD that didn't keep re-announcing.

Endless reminders of vBSDcon may be discouraged if more people
respond by querying how close the globaly reviled NSA may lurk.

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Re: vBSDcon: October 25 - 27. 2013 in Herndon, VA

[Julian H. Stacey]

"Miller, Vincent (Rick)" wrote:
> Just a friendly reminder vBSDcon is less than 2 weeks away from October 25 – 
> 27, 2013 in Herndon, VA.  Online registrations are open for 9 more days and 
> will close on October 23, 2013.  On-site registrations will be available 
> throughout the entirety of vBSDcon.  Attendees may register for vBSDcon at 
> http://www.vbsdcon.com/ for USD$75.

Steven Chamberlain on advoc...@freebsd.org wrote 

> These reminders via FreeBSD-Announce are getting to be annoying

I agreed. See thread on that list.

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Re: Correction for

[Julian H. Stacey]

Beeblebrox wrote:
> The post below shows up at #7 in google search for "freebsd pf version".
> The title of the post is "Do not use FreeBSD 9.0 as a PF firewall "

http://www.pantz.org/software/pf/do_not_use_freebsd_9.0_as_a_pf_firewall.html

"Posted on 02-20-2012 02:59:21 UTC | Updated on 03-29-2012 02:35:09 UTC"

Near 2 years old. Most readers of PD src OSs know a .0 release is
adventurous (though page author didnt mention that).  Most readers long
since would know to search for newer FreeBSDs, &
probably see 9.0 was dropped 2013-03-31, 8.5 month back.

  http://www.freebsd.org/security/unsupported.html


> Probably a "known issue", but it could be useful to demand a follow-up post
> along the lines "9.2 is now the norm and sysutils/pftop is no longer
> broken".

Only Request not Demand, else you'll fail, annoy yourself & provoke strife.


> Failing that, lets set up a "FreeBSD malicious sites" page, where

No! It's just some guy who tried another UX,
who ran out of time before he learned all the differences.
Better not divert to create & maintain a growing set
of correctons to ever more ancient non freebsd.org blogs.


> deliberately misleading content or sites witch refuse to correct their
...which is a different word not a typo.

It is not obvious he deliberately got things wrong IMO,
(When I last tried Linux for interest, I'm sure I got things wrong).


> slander are listed and pushed on to search engines. Just as a newspaper must

Wrong law. Slander is spoken, Libel is written.


> retract erroneous news reports, Blogs are also obligated to publish
> corrective measures taken by the companies or organizations which they have
> accused.

Forget law :
  - Of near 200 sovereign global nations independent legal systems,
few might "obligate" web page corrections, & fewer enforce it,
& only then if You pay a lawyer.
  - If something is not a page claiming to be a maintained current
comparison, but merely a Blog (= b[.+]log ?) Log of experiences at Date,
(as that page does) I see no obligation to waste time updating it.
  - Don't "Demand" a fix, Offer author a friendly short update ready
to drop in, with href= to wherever your research with
http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html shows fixes were made.
  - Target MS for strife, not a BSD or a Linux.

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